God Damned Fundies!
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 12 Jan 96 22:35:45
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Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get through here
declined over the years? It seemed to me that at one time some fundies
could at least formulate a minimal argument to justify their occultism.
Now it seems that they're no longer even willing to try.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Aryan National Front
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:18:45
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rj> If you ever get a chance to chat up one of Bill Riccio's boys
rj> (the leader of the Birmingham, AL-based Aryan National Front),
FR> I wonder if they class as either Pagani or Wicca. I'm sure to most
rj> I'm pretty sure they're not Wiccan.
The difference between Pagani and Wicca are pretty vague. It might be difficult
to defend anyone who worships Odin being considered a Pagan. Odin, Zeus,
Isis et al. being worshipped, I think, doesn't lock-in a solid determination.
Allah, Zeus, cows and Jesus aren't as vaguely worshipped.
FR> people they do. As for 'chatting up' one of these
FR> clowns, only at a distance, man. I have a
FR> zero shit tolerance policy for racial bigotry and
FR> sex bigotry -- they're a couple of my bugaboos.
rj> Y'just sort of clap your hand over your face after a minute
rj> and say, "Uh, yeah. Well look, izzat the time? I've gotta
rj> get going now..."
When I go to any kind of gathering, I always have my own safety
in mind. (I live near Los Angeles.) I doubt I would ever find
myself among a bunch of nuts by accident.
First: I checked my archives for Aryan National Front. I found nothing.
I will check the Ken McVey archives since they're far more extensive than
mine and take the chance to update my stuff. Hopefully McVey's Almanac has
materials on these clowns.
Did you ever see a PBS special called, "Blood on the Face?"
rj> Specifically, the ones that believe in
rj> the benevolence of Nature. LIE!
FR> I've never heard a Pagan or Wiccan make that claim, though.
rj> Perhaps it's more common among SewAgers.
Man, it's getting difficult to tell who are what since the boundaries are
so blurry.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Sexist Asshole for Christ
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:29:03
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FR> Have you been watching the National Organization of Women and the
FR> problem that, oh, what's her name... Marilyn Kagan? caused when NOW
FR> tried to make woman battering a _racial_ problem based specifically
FR> upon these statistics?
rj> I wonder why they would try to splinter the problem.
They saw that playing the race card makes their agenda reach more people
than if they had just stuck to the fact that woman beating is pandemic to
all.
FR> NOW is making woman battering a racial problem -- a black problem --
FR> and Kagan made some comment about not having the time for blacks who
FR> would do that, saying that woman beating knows no racial boundaries.
rj> Eh? Was she suggesting _not_ turning it into a racial problem,
rj> or just not considering such cases?
She said she "had no time" for politisizing or talking to black women who
wanted to make it a race problem. She wanted to keep focused on the actual
problem rather than drag race into it. Her words were taken to mean that
she had no time for blacks.
FR> Also, I have to wonder if you honestly think stateing facts such as
FR> there being more Christians in prison than atheists is itself a
FR> bigotry. Are you willing to defend that position?
rj> Not sure. How do you mean? Stating the facts
rj> isn't bigotry. Making the prejudgment is.
David's comment, as I recall, stated facts exactly yet you appeared to accuse
him of bigotry.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:55:35
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FR> You couln't possibly be more wrong. The glorification of war started
FR> to come to an end some 35 years ago. Nationalism was no longer a
FR> justification for fighting in foreign lands for vague, ill-defined
FR> rhetoric of "saving democracy."
rj> What I mean about the social problem is that the anti-war
rj> crowd used to harass soldiers and spit on them because they
rj> went to Nam.
I can't agree that that was a "social problem." I won't condone the harassment
and physical attacks which were commonly enacted against returning soldiers
yet I _would_ condone the protests and question the morality of people who
would do whatever their political masters dictate against vague, ill-defined,
ambiguous threats for vague, ill-defined, ambiguous "Democracy" or "the
American way of life."
Fighting Hitler and even getting Saddam out of Kuwaite was justified and
I can see the morality of killing innocent people to get to the tyrant.
Killing innocent people just because one's political masters hate Communism
is undefendable and worthy of vocal protests.
rj> Just like the despots who send their peasant farmers to fight
rj> for them (don't think_they_ haven't been filled with a bunch
rj> of jingoistic crap, either),
Yes, "fighting the great Satan" instead of "fighting Communism."
No difference. Both are lies.
rj> I don't think the draftees felt they had much choice about going.
Rumor has it they were to be shot if they refused. On our end there were
other options. Dodgeing the draft was, in my opinion, the high moral position
-- when done for ideological grounds rather than cowardice.
rj> Rather than just confining the harassment to the decision-
rj> makers in that quagmire, the anti-war element, caught up in
rj> their own jingoism, just wanted to attack _anything_ they saw
rj> as a symbol of that war.
That's because, just as in war, the reasonable targets hide behind their
troops. People protest every war the US gets involved in (and some the
US doesn't get involved in) by mustering at parks near the White House but
it's far easier to attack anyone in uniform when they're on the street or
at the airport. The President doesn't set foreign policy in reguards to
war at any rate; the Pentagon does. Protesting against the right people
is damn difficult.
At least in the United States it desn't get one shot.
FR> capable of selling their agenda to the American public. Rather than
FR> telling the American public that they're "fighting Saddam" to
FR> "reinstall democracy in Kuwaite," they'll have to admit they did it
FR> for cheap oil.
rj> Of course. However, It sounded a lot like David used some words
rj> that were deliberately offensive to a lot of people--
HE TOLD THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH. Call it an offense, call it bigotry, call
it jello pudding... it doesn't alter the fact that war has become sanitized
-- for the United States. The glory days are returning, I think. Bet you
a buck more kids today think war is something glorious than the number of
kids 15 years ago.
rj> not just a cluster of armchair commandos with hawkish
rj> hardons. I just don't see where _he_ thought the flame
rj> on him was so unjustified.
It wasn't a "flame" against him, it was a threat of physical violence for
speaking the truth. David has been in FidoNet for many years and getting
flamed is just part of the fun. Getting threats of physical violence from
ideologues MUST be treated seriously.
FR> Now I ___SUPPORT___ "human rights actions" in places like Bosnia
FR> except that I would rather like our government to clearly define their
FR> role.
rj> Agreed.
I'm surprised. }:-}
rj> Actions without objectives are stupid;
Such as "fighting Communism?"
rj> of course you would _think_ our govt would learn that, but
rj> then that's also why people keep re-electing them--because
rj> *voters* never learn.
Most voters can't discern fact from fiction.
rj> They'll let the GOP plunge the social fabric into the shitter
rj> again, and we'll have another Great Society to follow it.
Let's protest and spit on them!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:00:22
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FR> I hate to see people die on _all_ sides (unless it's Christians
FR> murdering Christians and they don't drag their children into it, of
FR> course. I can think of no better way to _save_ lives by keeping
FR> warring Christanic fractions from unification.)
rj> The problem is, they lust to send their children off to
rj> slaughter. It makes them feel "godlike".
Just like the Children's Crusade of 1212.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Rice's obvious better education
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:11:29
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fl> Actually, my all time favorite philosopher is
fl> Neitzsche! His book: "The Antichrist" is a classic!
FR> I've got several of compilations of his work. I don't like them
FR> because it seems he has a religious following who have deified him and
FR> made his work scripture. Hell, one of the books I have even numbers
FR> the sentences.
rj> Actual sentences, or paragraphs?
Both. "Beyond Good and Evil, Prelude to a Philosopgy of the Future" translated
and commentary by Walter Kaufman, published by Cintage Books, a division
of Random House, Inc, in New York.
Chapter four, verse 65a: "One is most dishonest to one's god:
he is not _allowed_ to sin."
That's the end of verse 65a.
Chapter four, verse 67: "Love of _one_ is a barbarism; for it
is exercised at the expense of all others. The log of God
(sic), too."
Then "A Nietzsche Reader," translated by R. J. Hollingdale, published by
Penguin Classics in 1977.
Numbering the sentences and phrases in each chapter, starting with verse
1 in each, seems to me to be something akin to turning Nietzsche's writings
into scripture.
rj> Nietzsche would've taken a cursory glance at the Nazi Party
rj> and pronounced them Untermenschen. Pure slave morality, under
rj> the guise of a master race.
That's my opinion as well.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Cops Take Fred Rice Down! Twice!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:18:10
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FR> It was the knife which drew the most concern. The NRA stickers showed
FR> that I at least kept abrest of the laws and, most probably, the safety
FR> aspects of firearms (I get safety coursed every other year to remain
rj> What's this new woman who's heading the NRA like?
Man I don't know and I don't care. Even before their "jack booted thugs"
issue came out I was disillusioned and stopped paying dues for membership.
rj> Is there going to be a change from Wayne "Jackbooted Thugs"
rj> LaPierre, or more of the same: going way into the red to
rj> buy influence on the Hill, and alienating a lot of real gunowners?
I had no idea they elected a woman. Perhaps they hope to present themselves
as less the macho duck-blasting, beer swilling gun nuts they appear to be
to so many people and try to turn that perception toward something closer
to the actual truth.
I _hate_ beer. And I don't eat meat.
FR> Someone who's willing to step in close with a knife and slice
FR> someone has _got_ to be a special crazy over and above a coward
FR> with a gun standing across the street or diving by in a speeding car.
rj> And I understand people freak out worse over a crazy with a
rj> straightrazor. Tricky things, but someone'll figure anyone
rj> crazy enough to brandish one of those probably knows how to
rj> use it--and draw a gallon of blood in the process.
Makes sense.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Look at this one
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:19:03
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FR> My money is on him/her being a troll. The BBS he/she runs has sex
FR> talk forums on it, after all. That doesn't seem consistant with the
FR> rabid fundy image he/she is trying to depict.
rj> Neither were Swaggart and Bakker.
Woops! Yeah, with tha perspective he _does_ sound like a True Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:19:43
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FR> By the way: Do you think you might be able to make it to a HolySmoke
FR> convention sometime this August if it's held somewhere hear Dallas?
rj> That sounds like a plan. Not in competition w/DFest, though?
Either the week before or the week after, with the focus on a week end.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian criminals
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:20:17
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sq> Now, if you want to say "MOST Fundamentalist Christians,"
sq> I would probably be inclined to go along with that.
FR> I would rather continue to play the extremist. I agree with you,
FR> though, but this _is_ HolySmoke. Don't tell anyone I don't
FR> actually believe the extreme end of the spectrum that I pretend to.
I
rj> Why say things you don't mean?
Speaking in absolutes draws more attention.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Satanist
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:21:22
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>> and if you are some white-lighter who wants to try to stomp my
>> religion, all i can say is, COME GET SOME.
FR> Well, LaVey didn't include any deities in his rantings. My guess is
FR> you're religion is safe here but that you are probably an endangered
FR> species... cyberlly speaking, of course. No "Satanist" seems willing
FR> to stay here for long when he finds 'Smokers don't care about him.
rj> I dunno--you might enjoy boxing with this nimrod.
We'll have to see which variant this one is. He might be mixing Christianity
with his Anton. }:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Sound-stealing
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:39:40
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FR> off of the appartment complex's window, back to the car's windshield,
FR> then back to the satelite. KCET then played the computer segregated
FR> voice tracks of individual conversations pulled from the mix using
FR> what amounts to powerful electronic voodoo magic.
rj> I take it they simply used the Doppler deviations from
rj> the vibrations of the windowpane?
Yes, while takeing out a bewildering variety of noise from vibration on
the car's windshield and the natural expansion and contraction caused by
heat and puffs of wind, vehicles passing, wobbles in the Earth/Satelite
orbit...
rj> That does seem almost unbelievable.
Not when thinking about towed sonar arrays and the massive computers used
in 688 attack submarines needed to extract frequency depictions while filtering
biologicals and geologicals. Sonar systems are so good that detecting submarines
by the noise they occlude at 30 miles is typical. The computer technology
probably is much the same for satelite LASER systems. My guess is that
the satelite preprocesses and compresses, then sends the glut down to be
processed on massive computers.
rj> Sensitivity on that level isn't really hard to imagine,
rj> since SETI equipment can pick up ET radiation in the
rj> picowatt range.
Leptons are far easier to detect and amplify electronically than pressure
waves caused by minutely heated air, though. Looking at the problem in
terms of thermonics, all a voice does is introduce heat in a regulated way
into a general direction which expands and attenuates as a function of the
square of the distance. The minutely heated air impacts the window pane
causing it to heat up. A sound system channeling audio between two panes
like in the White House effectively makes the task of isolating voice-generated
heat patterns impossible when the sound system is generating white noise.
rj> It's just the anomalous readings, such as temperature
rj> changes which would alter the windshield, or even a
rj> car door slam in the space next to the car, not to mention
rj> something obvious like 22,000 miles worth of atmospheric
rj> layers (or are we talking about low orbit, which is still
rj> a couple hundred miles)--seems there'd be a lot of things
rj> to queer readings.
It's all a very difficult problem. The problem is made easier by employing
parallel beams.
KCET's show played hiss and pop with undifferenciated noise which could
reasonably be identified as voices. After computer processing they played
the result and isolated conversations could be heard.
rj> You were talking about molecular sniffers--I read about one
rj> that was to be sold for business use to sniff out drugs.
Puppy dogs!
rj> It didn't pay off, because the sensitivity was so high
rj> it *always* registered coke and pot or whatever. Seems
rj> the thing could detect something like 10 molecules in
rj> the space of 10,000 cu.ft.
Dogs are far cheaper as well and law-abideing people watching their luggage
sniffed out by fuzzy dogs treat the near-invasion with affection when dogs
are used, I think. Put a guy with unidentifiable electronic gagets sniffing
the luggage and perhaps some animosity might be felt.
Evaporating drugs, though, give off less molecular clues than does an out-gassing
decomposing body. I'm not sure but I suspect that it would be easier to
detect a decomposing body from a helicopter than detecting a jetisoned stash
of cocain.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:46:00
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FR> Oh he'll run our maze, yeah, and wear our throrns and pretend he's
FR> worthy of his "salvation," but I think we get more out of his leg
FR> kicks then he gets out of kicking for us.
I love inflamatory rhetoric.
rj> I wasn't really sure about the little game the three of you
rj> regularly play with him until last week when I tried getting
rj> in on the fun.
Hey, man, we've been looking at the clown for a _long_ time!
He's just so _cute_ when he makes his outrageous claims and then is called
to task for it. ("Everyone is empty" and "for the most part atheists do
no good works" are two of my favorate outrageous [and easilly debunked]
claims.) He gets so angry it's neat.
His attacks against anyone who participates in Thanksgiving and Christmass
is just another piece of the overall picture he'll never live down.
rj> I "see the light" now--he's a gutless wonder who does exactly
rj> what he accuses us heathens of doing--"scurrying for cover".
Welcome to the "dark" side, Robert.
rj> How does he face himself in the mirror in the morning?
THE MAN IS A LAWYER! For him it must have become _easy_.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones: Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:52:53
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JcJ> I am not a fundamentalist.
That's a heaping pile of Goat shit.
jcj> To the extent you mean to impose some other meaning
jcj> on the diminutive "fundy," I categorically reject it.
It's not his decision to make.
rj> Perhaps if you to reject such asinine statements like "I wish
rj> the heathens wouldn't defile our holy day", you wouldn't get
rj> the tag applied to you quite so damn often.
And that's just _one_ of his rants:
-=- Begin history lesson -=- }:-}
Ciya is a blasphemous tool of your cunning. - Jesse C. Jones
It pains my heart to see this blasphemy and hatefulness spread
across the world on this electronic medium. - Jesse C. Jones, HolySmoke
For the most part, atheists simply do not do good and ethical things.
-- Jesse C. Jones (the fundy has no clothes)
Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it.
- Jesse C. Jones
Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it.
- Jesse C. Jones
When they stop calling me a "fundy," I'll stop calling
them heathens. - Jesse C. Jones
you heathens will distort anything in order to attack me.
- Jesse C. Jones
It does not take a complex to know that I am persecuted
in this conference. - Jesse C. Jones
The milieu here is like a gang rape by a bunch of maladjusted
teenaged boys whose hormones have gone mad. - Jesse C. Jones (Heathens)
Pray for his soul. - Jesse C. Jones
This is an evil place, Marilyn.
- Jesse C. Jones (Talking about HolySmoke)
Indeed, if there were no God, I would _have_ to be selfish, I
believe, because there would be no one else watching out for me,
and no reason to put anyone or anything ahead of me. - Jesse C. Jones
You heathens hold court here viciously attacking anyone who dares to
profess religious faith. - Jesse C. Jones
So why do you stick around? - Steve Quarrella
To combat the evil. - Jesse C. Jones
You heathens hold court here viciously attacking anyone who dares to
profess religious faith. Like an adolescent gauntlet, each has his
own mode of attack, and each squeals in delight at the others'
supposed conquests. - Jesse C. Jones
What hubris, to think that your taunts would cause me to
invade the privacy of my friends. -- Jesse C. Jones
What you call a refusal to answer was a refusal to respond
- Jesse C. Jones
But your juvenile campaign of attacking and deriding people of
religious faith may be doing incalculable damage -- for which you
will stand accountable before the ultimate reality.
- Jesse C. Jones (HolySmoke forum)
You think I wanted to appease you? To endear myself to the heathen
hooligans who patrol this smelly place? - Jesse C. Jones (HolySmoke
forum)
Still, I cannot escape the conviction that the purposes
which draw heathens to this place is an evil one...
- Jesse C. Jones (Talking about HolySmoke)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:55:27
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FR> Jesse was just taught to unthinkingly spout-off the Pledge to the
FR> American flag and to believe everything the government's
FR> advertizements of the 1950's and 1960's told him. (Some of these
FR> advertizements are on PBS and even MTV during reviews of
FR> early government demonizations of gays and "communists.)
jcj> I have little interest in discussing the former Soviet
jcj> Union, and even less interest in discussing anything with you.
That's understandable since you _lost_ your previous argument about the
Soviet Union being "evil."
That you refuse to want to discuss your mistaken beliefs in no surprise.
You're a fundy with no conviction of his beliefs.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fido
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:56:49
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JS> KW> "Ack" is the comic strip character Bill the
JS> KW> Cat's one major comment to anything.
JS> Uh huh...you know this 'Bill the Cat' character must
js> be of regional fame. I have never heard of him.
kw> Bill the Cat was a character in 'Bloom County'.
Did any heathen _not_ know that?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Pagani/Wicca racists?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:08:13
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kw> If\when you find something, would you please post it?
kw> I would also be interested.
The group, as I understand it, call themselves "AryanNational Front." I
have searched my extensive archives and come up empty. Ken McVey maintains
a massive archive depository on such groups and I will examine his Almanac
archives.
I'm agonna hit his system on Monday and update my archives with whatever
I find.
lc> I've seen Wiccans get into flame wars about something as
lc> stupid as whether an Athame should be sharp or not, so I
Lc> guess it is possible.
FR> YOU'RE SHITTING ME! I've been to several
FR> Dragon Festivals and didn't catch one whiff of anything
FR> like that.
kw> No, he's not. I got caught in one of those. There are kind
kw> of little silly things that wiccans can and will argue over.
Amazing. Just like any other religion.
kw> I think it is because we don't have a
kw> 'one book' to argue over. Poor us.
That's probably true.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:09:50
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a> What keeps all you white-lighters clinging to your religion?
Fr> Er, ignorance and supersition, mostly, not to mention fear.
a> "Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true
a> Messiahs--Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep."
Fr> Um, blessed by who, exactly?
a> I agree with you on the reason what keeps them in their
a> religion. I assume you are a non-theist becuase I know
a> of no white-lighters who would admit such of themselves.
a> Am I correc in this assumption?
Very few of us are cultists. I'm not.
a> Those who destroy false hope are not blessed in a divine manner, as no
[...cuts...]
You didn't answer my question. Blessed by who?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Staal shows he's sick
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:27:45
EID:c8a1 202e6376
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sr> Yeah...let's all give MISTER Staalie the benefit of our doubts. ;)
FR> Yep. I DOUBT that he's even marginally
fR> sane when he's off his medication.
js> Got great news: been off the medication for
js> months now. Life is indeed good!
That goes into the quotes file.
FR> I KNEW IT! I just KNEW it!
sr> I would pay his doctors just to have his prescription re-filled!
If it were that easy, I would too. His doctors probably advised against
his taking himself off his medication.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Promise Keeper Material
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:29:31
EID:3558 202e63af
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FR> I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem to
FR> particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart from God
FR> even further than do pagan men. - (Jim Staal, Promise Keeper)
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Isn't that lovely? Isn't that hatred and bigotry just so Christian?
js> I see no hatred or bigotry here, Furd...
That's because you're a Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Supreme ignorance and superstition...
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:30:20
EID:c2f6 202e63ca
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DR> This Staalin creep must get even less sex than I do.
js> HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHA! Wilbur can't
js> keep her hands offa me...even after over 30 years of it...
FR> She's probably deluded into the hope of ever finally getting
FR> satisfaction.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> What're you doing...answering for you alter ego, Dave now, Furd?
Just because you suffer from MPD doesn't mean that everyone
else must to make you appear sane.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ab
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:31:06
EID:7eaf 202e63e3
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fR> I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
FR> his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
FR> Are you just a liar or are you a liar for Jesus?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
You never answered my question, of course.
js> What has the above post to do with hatred and bigotry?
FR> Perhaps your inability to see your own
FR> hatred and bigotry is what your problem is.
js> I can't see it because you haven't presented any...
You can't see it because you're a Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:32:21
EID:852e 202e640a
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JS> There is no life existing 'out there'.
FR> Have any evidence for that, dickless?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
Still haven't answered this question either, I noticed.
js> You have any evidence to support this claim, Fred?
FR> How about that high, whiney voice of yours?
js> Sorry, wrong agian, Furd. My voice range is upper baritone.
FR> Oh? That's quite different than the whine you adopt in this forum.
js> Just because your anti-Christian hatred and bigotry has blinded your
Just because you're filled with hatred and bigotry doesn't mean that every
one else is just to make you appear reasonable.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: X files
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:33:33
EID:e529 202e6430
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JS> Either way, there is no command from
js> Jesus to commit atrocities for Him
js> I see no command from Jesus to commit atrocities for Him...
FR> That's because you dont _want_ to even read your own cult's
FR> mythologies.
js> I know of no mythologies to which you refer...
FR> Which is exactly my point.
js> Mine as well. We agree!
FR> One wonders why you still profess to believe in them.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> I don't.
Denying you're a Christian when you hate like one is silly, Jim.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: JIM STAAL: TYPICAL PROMISe keeper?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:34:43
EID:5e51 202e6455
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FR> Are you actually _denying_ it long
FR> after you apologized for voicing it?!
js> I apologized for any hurt it may have caused her. I apologized for
js> even getting involved in the conversation in the first place.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Last week you were denying ever having said it.
js> You have any evidence to support this claim?
All the lies you later deny prior to the 12'th of this month were
not archived, Promise Keeper. In the last message you claimed you weren't
a Christian. I'll bet you a buck you now deny it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: JIM STAAL: WHAT WE ALL KNow and understand
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:35:40
EID:1413 202e6474
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js> If you know of these 'mythologies', specifically mention
js> them by name and maybe we could make some headway here...
js> Doesn't the fact that you exhibit your ignorance every time you post
js> here with this sort of unsubstantiated tripe tell you and everyone
js> soemthing about yourself? When I ask for specifics, you, of course just
js> dance around it and continue in your mindless ridicule.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Such bluster and squid ink is merely trying to obscure the issue, Jim.
js> The squid ink is all yours, Fred.
And yet here you are trying to weasel out of having to answer hurtful, embarrassing
questions.
Perhaps you should rethink your going off your medication.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal continues to deny his hatred
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:36:18
EID:0d5e 202e6489
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js> You have no evidence.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> That's true. (I'm surprised you managed to type a truth,
FR> actually, without bursting into flames or something.)
js> I always retain my calm smooth control. :)
The archives I do have show that as just another Christanic lie.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:37:03
EID:50d2 202e64a1
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js> You _still_ haven't provided any evidence
js> that I ever made the statement.
FR> You still haven't really apologized. Do you plan to?
js> Apologize!? To whom...? For what...?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> I see that you have no intention of doing so.
js> I can't apologize to/for someone/something that
js> does not exist or has not happened...
Much like you can't apologize for your homophobic hatred... you're too
Christian to see the truth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Christanic liar
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:39:02
EID:8830 202e64e1
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js> Liar. My claim is that you alter Lump's
js> post to make it appear as thought posted them.
FR> Liar. The word you used _was_ "censor."
js> If you have any evidence of that claim, big boy, trot it out
js> here and I'll be more than happy to take a look at it...
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> No, I didn't feel the need to archive your claims.
FR> You _did_ mark the date ony our calendar, didn't you?
js> What date was that, FURD?
Pretending ignorance is silly, Staal, when you know I wo't forget.
FR> - Jim Staal (Defending his homophobia in HolySmoke)
js> This is a bold-faced lie, Fred.
So much so you had to erase your own words out of embarrassment.
Die and fry! You and your scum sucking in-bred brother, furd.
- Jim Staal (Defending his homophobia in HolySmoke)
It hurts, doesn't it?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Promise Keeper
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:40:10
EID:f124 202e6505
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js> Liar. When you put "js>" in front of lump's text, you
js> attempt to designate me as the author -- regardless of
js> what the truth is...that lump posted it and not me.
FR> You _are_ the author of your own posts, you idiot!
js> Why of course, I am, Furd.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Then stop your whineing and _take_the_responsibility_
FR> for your own words.
js> No problem. I just am not going to take the
js> responsibilty for your or lump's words, dude!
See what happens when you take yourself off your medication?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Seven-sided triangles
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:41:08
EID:438a 202e6524
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FR> Curry appears to have been abducted by Staal's UFOs.
js> Uh...that would be 'rudzinski's' UFOs, MISTER Rice...
FR> Liar. UFO's don't abduct people. YOU attributed aliens and outer
FR> space to his UFO sighting. YOU interpreted his UFOs into something
of
FR> YOUR creation.
js> I never brought UFO's. rudzinski did.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> That's not the issue, idiot. YOU added aliens to his statement. All
FR> he did was say "UFO" and you, in your ignorance, mistakenly attributed
FR> the statement to bug-eyed monsters.
js> Yeah...I attributed the statement to george. What's the problem?
No you didn't, Promise Keeper, you concocted a fictional construct in your
own head and attributed the results to George. That's typical of Christanics,
by the way.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:45:23
EID:b8f4 202e65ab
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> (We gotta get this Staal clown into the
FR> HolySmoke convention to give a talk.)
js> No prob. A round trip, first class ticket and my usual
js> lecture fees and perks (myself and Wilbur) and I'm there, dude.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Now why can't you death cultists ever be as funny when
FR> your ignorance is debunked? It should make faceing the harsh
FR> realities of your own occultism easier to face, I would [imagine].
FR> Are you willing to give a 15 minute talk sometime in or near Dallas
FR> next August?
js> Provide the above prerequisites and you got it.
None of the heathens I've contacted who might be interested have demanded
to be paid for their participation. Of course they won't be utterly debunked
and embarrassed, though. That makes you a special flavor of shit, huh?
I will provide compensation for the plane tickets provided you state your
lecture fees in writing and sign an agreement we will work out together.
Receipt of the lecture fee and _compensation_ for the tickets will be contingient
upon your finishing your 15 minute talk.
Fair? We'll even have Jesse Christ Jones set things up if you wish. The
estimated convention date is set toward the third or fourth week next August.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal RULES the toilets!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:46:48
EID:a3d1 202e65d8
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> Someone else was wondering about that... the fundy
FR> mentality and the inability to hack-up a sentence.
js> Or the inablility of blasphemous pagan liars (such as yourself)
js> to _backup_ a sentence with anything of substance.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> "Blasphemy" is a religious construct not evidenced in fact.
FR> As fas a "pagan" is concerned, I don't hold any deity beliefs,
FR> remember? I'm a heathen.
js> Matters not. You are still a blasphemer by definition...
Nonsense. I don't subscribe to _your_ mental delusions. Your demands for
ignorance in others is no different than someone demanding you wear garlic
around your neck to ward off the vampires.
Ignorance, occultism, and superstition are fine, Promise Keeper, just don't
attribute them to your intellectual betters.
Thanks.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:47:32
EID:69ba 202e65f0
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PID: FM 2.02
>> C'MON FERDIE, GET A LIFE FOR ONCE AND SAY OR DO SOMETHING
>> INTELLIGENT....LIKE ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR SIT AND CLEAN YOURSELF
>> LIKE THE DOG THAT YOU ARE...seeing no-one will do it for ya.That's
my
>> quote and I will take CREDIT for it, thank you.....Yeah, Lump ain't
in
>> the mood to take any more crap from neanderthal ape people like you
who
>> don't have enough sense to pick their knuckles up off the ground and
>> pick their nose.....VERMIN!!!!!
>> ... Catch the Blue Wave!
>> ! Origin: WareHouse BBS - Wyoming MI - (616)538-5410 (1:228/45)
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> I still say that Jim Staal is the one responsible for these messages.
js> No, I am not, Fred.
That depends upon which one of you is "forward" at the time.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Dating, Biblical style
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:13:28
EID:e81c 202e91ae
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 07122725
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30f148f3
PID: FM 2.02
> The Top 16 Biblical Ways to Acquire a Wife
> Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim
> her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours.
> --Deuterononmy (Deuteronomy 21:11-13)
[...cuts...]
Thanks. I'll use these tomorow.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: those far-away minds
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:17:50
EID:5342 202e9239
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MH> He learned it from skeptics who insist they know what Jesus
mh> "really" said, and why Paul "invented" Christianity, and so forth.
dd> If we did not have the Word of God, of course
FR> You have words written by gods? I find that amazing!
FR> Why haven't you shared them with the rest of humanity?
dd> I do give out the Word of God which is the true gospel.
It's strange that you have elected to keep these "words" of your deity constructs
selfishly all to yourself. Don't you think the world would like to see
them?
Why are you so selfish?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:24:10
EID:3708 202e9305
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>> and "arrest" government officials at a distance. In two months a
FR>> bunch of them are supposed to "march" on the Mexican border here
FR>> in Southern California. I can't wait to see a bunch of idiots
FR>> actually try it.
dw>> What the hell good is that gonna do?
FR> BRING THEM TO JUSTICE!
dw> Someone should point out to them that the federal government
sq> is on the East Cost, not the Southwest Coast.
"The government" is anyone with a government job, whether it's delivering
the mail or watching State employee children in a day care center. To add
fule to the ignorants, the federal government has announced their intentions
to spend 13 million bucks to beef-up the Mexican border -- a mere 30 days
away from when the lunatics I talked about previously intend to "march"
on Mexico. (See next message to all.)
FR> Yep. Running left and right trying to escape the Blinding Light
FR> of the Law is pretty cool. 'Course I like it when they sent in
FR> the dogs. }:-}
dw> "Get it offa me! Get this dog offa me, PLEASE! I'll suck your
dw> if you'll just get this dog offa me!"
I. LOVE. IT! That's about what one
guy was saying when three officers were trying to drag him to the ground
while the K9 cop was latched onto his foot.
I think the guys holding the dog's choke chain wasn't trying to disengage
the dog _too_ hard... wouldn't want to hurt the dog. The "perp"
tried a few kicks at the dog which only made him more determined.
dw>> It's fun to watch 'em try, though.
FR> I think there's a book out, "Americans stupidist
FR> criminals." I have to find it.
dw> Have you read the syndicated column "News of the Weird"?
Nope.
dw> It generally has a "stupid criminals" section. If it isn't
dw> in a paper close to you, I think they have a web site.
dw> Let me know, and I'll see if I can find the URL.
Give me what you've got, please. And I FINALLY got your network address...
Questor Thew gave it to me again over #holysmoke on undernet.org.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: india future
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:26:28
EID:555d 202e934e
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>> We need someone who can perform 68000 assembly code work that fits
FR>> into C code that all does telephony work. It's all programming.
dw>> I've got my "The 68HC11 Microcontroller" textbook
dw>> right here. What part don't you understand?
FR> I wish it were just as easy as that.
dw> Y'mean it isn't?
I sure wish it was. I'm having someone fly in to my area to help me in
a couple of weeks. He's coming from the East Coast and will hopefully be
able to spend a week helping out on two demanding technical problems.
FR> AT&T is laying off a bunch of people
dw> Why couldn't I have been born twenty years earlier? I could've lived
dw> well designing avionics, night vision equipment, or any of the other
dw> tools of the Cold War. Now I'm gonna actually have to *compete* for
dw> employment, like some weenie-assed lawyer or business major.
Well, do what fundies do, pray for another war killing brown skins.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Evil! EVIL!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:31:02
EID:579b 202e93e1
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 07122729
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PID: FM 2.02
dw>> Run along now, and get back to me when you've got the money.
dw>> [time passes] Psst! Hey, you! Yes, you, the Catholic...."
FR> Such a cynic.
dw> I'm an evil heathen, remember? It's part of the job description.
You haven't registered with the Central Committee, though, so it's not yet
official. }:-}
dw> Although, since Satan hasn't been sending my paychecks for the
dw> last decade, I may have to look into an attitude change.
That's why they put out the complaint box in the lobby.
FR> I know that they're loath to manouver, though,
FR> even when there's a shooting war going on.
dw> You don't have to maneuver much. We're not fighting the
dw> Soviets here, who can scan space damn near as well as we can.
Prob'ly.
dw> We're talking about militia weenies, most of whom
dw> wouldn't know a satellite if one fell on their head.
Most probably wouldn't even _think_ that satelites are of any concern. They're
paranoid, but my suspicion is that they're not well informed.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:32:01
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DR> =================================
DR> AL SCHROEDER 5778 Needs a daytime job other than HS
DR> Dan Ceppa 5307 Could have tried harder.
DR> Michael Hardy 4518 Hardly!
DR> Fredric Rice 3246 Better educated than Jesse Christ Jones
DR> J.J. Hitt 3149
DR> David Worrell 3092
dw> Gee, David, why don't I get anything?
You get your paycheck from Satan like everyone else. You don't NEED more.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Star DeTracktor
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:33:17
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FR> If the new "Star Trek" series (plural) on
FR> television were only better than they are,
dw> You obviously missed the DS9 episode where the Bajoran
dw> chick wore a tight rubber outfit for the entire show.
Yeah, I missed it.
dw> T'hell with drama, plot, acting, and all that other silly shit...
But then the damn thing just ends up being like the old series "UFO" and
the see-through shirts on the submarines.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Kirk Bailey
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:42:22
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KB>> As a last bit of advice; DO NOT talk this way in the `real'
KB>> world; someone will adjust your dental geometry for you.
KB>> Good-bye.
FR> Actually no one has adjusted [my] teeth for me yet.
FR> And I'm one of the more rabid atheists in this forum.
dw> Isn't it sad that the fundies often don't even have the balls
dw> to make direct threats? They almost always (Calabrese comes
dw> to mind as an exception) attribute the threat either to their
dw> pet diety or to a generic "someone".
None of them that do mean it, though, yet even at that I take all threats
seriously. Even when David and I were driving all over the country picking
fights, I never really got badly beaten enough to need stiches or anything.
(Course picking and chooseing who to back away from helps. I
mean even david never called a Marine a squid.) Though I must agree with
David that the time I made the mistake of mouthing-off to loggers year Yosemite,
I was lucky. }:-}
I take my mouth with me into the real world just fine. Hell, the fundies
that knock on my door are treated to inflamatory rhetoric _equal_ to what
I put out here. (Yet even at that I would never think of bending down and
telling the child of a "Christian Scientist" they their mommy would let
them die if they get sick. That seems a bit, um, much.)
dw> Being an invertebrate must really suck.
At least they don't have to wait for the sun to warm their blood to operating
temp like lawyers do. }:-}
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|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:45:04
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FR>> Goat grief.
js>> Hmmm...never knew goats had that emotion...
FR> After all your time on the farm running after animals
FR> trying to get away from you? Come now.
dw> Notice that he only said he didn't know goats had "that
dw> emotion [grief]". He's well acquainted with farm animals
dw> expressing outright terror (although the chickens and
dw> other *small* animals probably expressed sexual gratification).
I'm sure even the gerbils on the farm he grew up on were in no danger of
exploding.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:47:05
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am> For years historians claimed there were no such people as the Hittites.
There's a lie. Historians employing science don't make such claims.
Are you trying to lie-up some evidence for the validity of the classical
Christanic mythologies? Is that what you're doing? If so, that's rather
silly inasmuch as the myths are scientifically debunked.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Anal what?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:51:48
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DR> Women can be so horridly cruel.
> That is why you have the most supreme moral imperative to
> get her good and liquored up next time, then "accidentally"
> drop her in the drink as you help her off the boat as she
> goes home. I don't know who it would be more sobering for,
> her or you.
Just like Robert Wagner did.
(I didn't remove the indent above as I usually do in the event you're not
aware that your editor is putting one out -- intentionally or otherwise.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Homosexual christians?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:53:43
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>>> And it's a comfort to know that your posts insure that that my
>>> children will be very unlikely to succomb to the illness of xtianity
lw> Don't put that on me.. It is you that the Bible
lw> says who is sacrificing your children to demons.
FR> Which is why the Christian death cult has the bloody history it does.
lw> No doubt.. That bloody history stems from the same
lw> hate and anger you show toward those you accuse.
Interesting. Those who point at Christanic death cultism and denounce it
are themselves some how equal, huh? And do you also call four billion people
who denounced the extermination of Jews by the Christian Adolf Hitler bigots,
pig?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:55:07
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DH>> There is no "evidence" that God did or did not create the world.
FR> Look, Ken. A fellow death cultist at least
FR> has the _honesty_ to admit it.
FR> Why don't you?
km> I've already told you that you will not find the
km> kind of evidence that you are looking for Fred.
Ergo you admit that your deity constructs don't exist, right?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Christians Corner
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:56:07
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> Well people, it has been fun here. Due to personal & financial
> problems, the latest day the BBS will be up is the 17th of January. To
> those who "tolerated" me, thanks. Those who didn't... It was fun
> dragging you in your own circle.
But you're not a real Christian. You're some kind of pervert who pretend
he's a Christian -- if the sex forums on your BBS are any indication.
Let's not pretend to be a death cultist when there are so many already,
okay?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Claims of "Satanists" murdering people
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:57:11
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FR> WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THESE SATANISTS? By not presenting any facts
cm> I'm not. :)
Sure you are, Christian. You claimed you knew of Satanists killing people
and yet you refused to give me any information or even tell me what the
police said when you filed your report.
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|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: "Satanists" out killing
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:58:41
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fR> Now, if you would actually present some evidence for your claims and
FR> let me critically and thoughtfully review it, then we might start to
FR> work on your problem. Until then, however, you can't be helped.
cm> Look at all that anger and frustration... You're going to
cm> have a heart attack one day. Patience, Freddy, Patience.
Typical death cultist bluster and squid ink.
If you have evidence for these murders, either present it here else tell
me what the cops said when you filed your report.
DO IT NOW! Otherwise I'm going to dial-up the cops in your area and tell
them that you admitted to having knowledge of murders yet refuse to report
it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: A fake Christian
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:00:11
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FR> down cold, though. You forgot to clean-up your BBS in the event one
FR> of the better educated in this forum simply dialed it up and checked
FR> you out.
cm> Yeah, I was/am terrified. If I was really THAT worried about it,
cm> don't you think I wouldn't have put that option on my menu? Duh...
It shows that you're just another Jimmy Swaggart and Jimmy Bakkker.
I'm still waiting for your evidence, by the way. The cops in your area
are just a phone call away.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:03:11
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FR> How about sticking to the subject, "Chris?"
cm> The question mark should be put after the the last quotation mark, Fred.
That's another mistake on your part, idiot. Open a book, you clown, and
take a look.
cm> (Just trying to help you not show as much ignorance.)
And by trying to do so, you end up looking like a Christian.
FR> Why are you trying to blame innocent children for their own deaths?
cm> Stop twisting my words.
Your own claims debunk you. You still haven't presented any evidence for
these murders you claim to know something about. Either you lied else you
are protecting people who you like.
Well? What's it gonna be? A call to the cops in your area or an admission
that you lied?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Miller fucks up
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:04:10
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Christian Miller:
FR> How about sticking to the subject, "Chris?"
cm> The question mark should be put after the the last quotation mark, Fred.
cm> (Just trying to help you not show as much ignorance.)
I love it when a fundy takes his foot out of his ass and stuffs it into
his mouth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Willing Sacrifices
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:05:47
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FR> Perhaps you don't know what we do here in HoltSmoke.
FR> You came in here thinking that this was a Christian forum and,
cm> There you are wrong. I lurked for quite a while before posting.
Then you're even less intelligent than you appear to be. Here you thought
everyone here was a fundy and you pretended to be one as well. Now that
your mistake has been exposed, you have thrown away the option of participating
as a normal person.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: "Satanists" killing people
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:07:08
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FR> By the way: I'm still waiting for that evidence.
cm> And you will continue to do so.
Either you lied else you are protecting murderers, Chris. The first option
merely offers evidence that you're a Christian. The second option also
offers the same.
Which for you?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Lack of reason
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:07:50
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FR> By the way: Are you finally admitting that there is no evidence
FR> for the existance of your pretend deity constructs?
cm> Did I _ever_ say that there actually was?!?!??
We've learned together that you're not a real Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Fucking gun nuts!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:18:52
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rj> But if you put Konehead next to Russ Wuertz, the former
rj> looks stable, only by virtue of his palaver sounding like
FR> Where _is_ that ole' Cornflake, anyway?
rj> Last I saw him, he was on CONSPIRACY.
Good place for him. }:-}
FR> ~*~ IT IS RELIGIONS THAT INSTILL A MORAL VALUE INTO THE HEARTS OF
FR> PEOPLE TO CONTROL THEIR HATREDS AND TO CONVERT THOSE FEELINGS INTO
FR> MORAL VALUES OF LOVE AND COMPASSION AND CHARITY: - David Stoddard
FR> Yep. By killing innocent people with the wrong skin color, the wrong
FR> sexual preference, the wrong sex, the wrong beliefs.
rj> What was it with that guy? Did he use all caps because he
rj> was too ignorant to write like a normal person, or was he
rj> just always shouting?
This Stoddard clown was in A_Theist when he went into meltdown. He took
exception to something I said for some unknown reason. He wasn't
the first notch I carved in my keyboard but he was among the first.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Church of Elvis
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:21:07
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rj> I'd rather have a free mind than be saved.
FR> Hey, that's good. It's a truism. I'll put it into the
FR> HolySmoke Central Committee's quotes archives.
rj> 'Bout bloody time.
}:-} The Central Committee is plotting great things.
FR> ~*~ The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is
FR> laid out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years
FR> old. - Doug Lee
rj> That's hilarious. I'm sure he'll have lots and lots of kids
rj> who we'll have to clean up after, from the social mess they leave.
That's a common theme, isn't it? Their "Jesus" will return before it's
going to be a problem so go ahead and breed and rape the land. Mormons
believe they're the "last generation" -- for the past six generations.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Technology is evil! EVIL!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:37:37
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jcJ> Christmas story itself? It still offends me to see nonbelievers
JcJ> embrace these celebrations, which have their root in our faith,
jcj> while denouncing the faith itself.
rj> I can't tell you how much it truly offends me to see fundies
rj> using computers, electricity, running water, and medicine, while
rj> denouncing everything science provides for them.
FR> Good point. Well over two years ago, he was ranting about the evils
FR> of technology and he even stated that tin cans and can openers was
FR> probably a bad idea -- to paraphrase but that's an accurate summation.
rj> It's a good thing folks like Staalin and him are being archived.
rj> I see the former is backpedaling on his comments to and about Gwenny.
Rest assured that from this day onward, no fundy will ever be able to deny
his own words ever again. I'm making it a prime directive of the HolySmoke
Central Committee to archive each and every byte from now on. I'm going
to take this job seriously.
rj> Grow up, little boy.
FR> Yeah. Steve and I are gonna get that clown suit off of him some day.
rj> It seems y'all are gonna have to. He won't answer _my_
rj> questions or comments unless I get rude with him. I think
rj> I'm beginning to see your point about why he's more afraid
rj> of Steve than you. ;->
}:-}
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|From: John Prewett
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 12 Jan 96 07:21:31
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=> Quoting John Prewett to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
JP> But when you call the pope a "Christian", and indicate you respect the
JP> pope/papal office, while you express contempt for bible based
JP> Christians, THEN YOU ARE DEFACTO SUPPORTING THE POPE/PAPAL OFFICE
JP> WHICH IS THE EPITOME OF THE WORST IN RELIGION YOU CLAIM TO OPPOSE.
DH> Your diatribe is the epitome of the worst in Christianity.
JP> Opinion noted.
FR> The truth ignored.
I know you haven't got enough concern for truth to bother
to read and rationally evaluate the following information,
but maybe some lurker does.
From- The Inquisition - Hammer of Heresy
By- Edward Burman cpyrt. 1984
Pub. by Dorset Press, a division of Marboro Books Corp.,
by arrangement with Harper Collins Publishers, UK. 1992 Dorset Press ISBN:
0-88029-909-6 Sold by Barnes and Nobel
Foundation pages 41-42
Peter's death on 6 April seems to have provoked an immediate and violent
reaction on the part of Innocent IV, who announced perhaps the most terrible
of all Bulls in the history of the Inquisition on 15 May 1252, ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ
.
ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ
Innocent IV, like his predecessors in the great line of lawyer-popes, Innocent
III and Gregory IX, was a master of canon law, and even wrote
a famous commentary on it. His pontificate was dominated by the final
stage of the long struggle for power between Frederick II and the papacy.
After Frederick's death in 1250, the political situation in Italy changed
dramatically and a rapid succession of Bulls to the Dominican provincials
gave fresh momentum to the Inquisition. It was also at this point that
the Franciscans became involved as inquisitors on a large scale. This
frenetic activity of Innocent IV culminated with the Bull ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ,
'to extirpate', which 'sought to render the civil power completely subservient
to the Inquisition, and prescribed the extirpation of heresy as the chief
duty of the state'.
'Ad Extirpanda' effectively established a police state in Italy and is
noteworthy for having introduced the use of torture into inquisitorial
procedure, and for explicitly condoning burning alive at the stake for
relapsed heretics. Resistance amongst secular lords was overcome by
a brilliant diplomatic manoeuvre: Innocent incorporated the Sicilian
Constitutions of 1239 into a subsidiary Bull, ÔCum adversus haereticamÕ,
thus turning Frederick IIÕs legislation against the heretics and Ghibellines
that the Emperor had previously protected.
This terrible weapon provided for:
I. torture as a means of obtaining confessions;
2. the death penalty at the stake;
3. a police force at the service of the Office of the Faith
[that is, the Inquisition];
4. the preaching of a crusade against heretics in Italy with the same
indulgences and privileges as in a crusade to the Holy Land;*
5. the extension of the principle of confiscation to the heirs of heretics.
Later Bulls served to refine this legislation, and it is interesting to
see amendments being made constantly in response to specific demands or
problems that arose in the work of inquisitors: personal letters written
by the Pope carry the force of Bulls. But Innocent IV had, with this
single stroke, instituted a system of repression that was then honed by
Alexander IV (1254-1261), Urban IV (1261-1265), and Clement IV (1265-1268),
himself an ex-inquisitor, and finally codified by Boniface VIII in the
ÔLiber SextusÕ of 1298. The provisions of the Bull were accorded theological
respectability by St Thomas Aquinas in his ÔSumma TheologicaÕ.
Super Extirpatione (30 March 1254)
In 1246 Innocent IV had officially called upon the Franciscans to join
the Dominicans in the work of the Inquisition. As individuals, they
had been closely involved from the beginning; we have already met Gerhard,
follower of Conrad of Marburg, and it seems that Blessed Pietro d'Arcagnano
was an inquisitor in Milan as early as 1234. But, perhaps pressed by necessity
and seeking fresh impetus in the Inquisition, Innocent IV divided Italy
into two inquisitorial provinces with the Bull ÔSuper ExtirpationeÕ:
the Franciscans were to have central and north-east Italy (mainly Tuscany,
Umbria and the Veneto), while the Dominicans presided over the remainder
of the country.
(Footnote)
*For example, in April 1253 Innocent ordered the Dominicans of the Roman
province to preach a crusade against the heretics of Lombardy and Tuscany.
Padua was sacked by these ÔcrusadersÕ [cf. Lea ÔInquisition in the Middle
Ages, vol. ii, pp. 226-7].
Church law was contained in five books of bulls and decrees edited by Raymond
of Penafort in 1234. Book V was called ÔDe HaereticusÕ, and contained
the principle constitutions of the Inquisitions.
All the later bulls, including those of Innocent IV, were added
by Boniface VIII in 1298. Hence its title, the Ôsixth bookÕ. -END
QUOTE-
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|From: John Prewett
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Fundamentalist Are In
|Date: 12 Jan 96 20:29:45
EID:605b 202ca3a0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1C7539
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
DH> ::To: Dick Holm From: John Prewett Subj: Fundamentalist Are In
DH> |--Boring typical Prewettisms deleted--|
JP> My brothers and sisters don't have a "holy father" in Rome. WBW, John
DH> ROTFLMAO! Your brothers and sisters probably have no more idea who
DH> their father is than do you. [Damn, that was almost too easy].
No doubt it IS easy for you to write silly lies.
WBW, John
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHY GOD? 1/2
|Date: 13 Jan 96 12:58:51
EID:78ee 202d6740
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D5D0B
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
1/2
AS> Telling the faults of some of His followers
AS> is not slandering Christ, John.
Wonderful that you feel this way !
AS> Torquemada was the Chief Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition.
AS> An avowed Christian, ...........
JP> Torquemada was a pope follower. Not a Christ follower.
AS> Um. And the Sanhedrin were Caiphas followers and not Moses followers?
As a matter of scriptural fact-
"for IF you believed Moses,
[THEN] you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me." John 5:46
The Sanhedrin that condemned Jesus
WERE more "Caiphas followers"
than they were "Moses followers."
AS> It's interesting to deny, and I truly think
AS> Jesus would deny Torquemada like a SHOT.
Are you sure ? Now don't go too far out on a limb.
Sure you aren't being a judgmental, mean spirited bigot ?
Maybe you HATE Spanish Roman Catholics ?
Mighty mean of you to express such condeming thoughts
toward this much maligned servant of the pope's "CHURCH."
AS> But I cannot say he was not trying to follow the
AS> teachings of Christ, as he [mis]understood them.
Maybe Satan is just a misunderstood person
who really has our best interest at heart.
JP> To Christ followers the difference is significant..
AS> Which besides you, consists of...who?
Jesus hasn't made me privy to that information.
Among your fellow members of organized religion,
do you have a list of those who in fact are guided by Christ ?
JP> To heathens the difference is denied.
AS> Oh, many unbelievers see the difference
AS> between Torquamada and Mother Teresa.
Yet in a profound way, Torquamada and Mother Teresa
are THE SAME. Though in different ways, they both serve[d]
to bolster the prestige and power of their
[according to RC doctrine] lord the pope.
Torquamada and Mother Teresa are THE SAME in that their
[according to RC doctrine] supreme guidance came/comes
from the papacy/magisterium.
Who one heeds will determine where one spends eternity.
JP> To man-pleasing, liberal, borderline apostate
JP> protestants, the difference is ignored.
AS> Golly. WhoEVER could you mean?
Most modern "christians" of organized religion.
AS> But you ignored the important point: to CHRIST,
AS> the difference is eternal. And HE will judge, not us.
AS> WE are specifically told NOT to judge until the time.
Fine.
AS> Yes, quite frankly, I think He will say to Torquemada,
AS> "depart ye accursed, I knew ye not."
Careful now, we wouldn't want to be too JUDGEmental !
AS> I think He might say it to a lot of people that might suprise us.
AS> And there is a possibility He may say it to me.
AS> And, whether you believe it or not, with your hatred for others, .....
Your JUDGEMENT of me is noted.
What is one who does what he claims others should not do ? 1/2
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHY GOD? 2/2
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:02:34
EID:781e 202d6840
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D5DEA
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
2/2
AS> .....there is a possibility of that happening with YOU, too.
Your above is just a long-winded way of revealing
you don't have a clue as to how Jesus sees things.
Listen up- this is simple-
I'm betting on the proposition that Jesus wants people to KNOW
that Jesus was not guiding those who created and conducted
the Inquisition, and that the Revelation of Jesus reveals the way
Jesus sees the religious institution that DID create and conduct
the Inqusitions.
The label "Christian" INSINATES someone or something led by CHRIST.
I betting that CHRIST resents it being even INSINUATED
that mass murderers rate being labeled "CHRISTians."
People who say Roman Catholics are Christians are telling
the world that pope-led mass killers were "Christians".
[IOW- "Christian" no matter what they did,
and no matter who they heeded]
Actually, people who say "Trinitarians" are Christians,
are telling the world that carnal killers are Christians,
because-
Every chaplain and most soldiers of every army in every war
[on all sides] involving "Christedom" for the last nearly 1700
years has been a "Trinitarian" "Christian."
MAN PLEASING "christian" PUKES ignore these facts.
[while they cheerfully denigrate "fundies"]
AS> burned. Vlad Tepes--you know him perhaps better as Dracula, a very
AS> real historical person, prince of Transylvania, who put thousands to
AS> death by impaling them on stakes. He fought against Muslim "infidels",
AS> even nailing the turbans of Turks to their heads. He was a sadistic
AS> bloodthirsty monster. He too was an avowed Christian.
JP> Which cult ? Roman Catholic ? Or "Orthodox" ?
AS> To the victims, it matters very little, John.
Regarding your claim he was an "avowed Christian" it is relevant.
AS> Am I going to
AS> say that God looks more with favor on them because they professed
AS> Christianity than Dr. Leipzig, who helped some total strangers rebuild
AS> a church? "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
AS> prophesized in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in
AS> thy name done many wonders? And then will I profess untothem, I never
AS> knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity." [Matt 7:22.]
JP> What might He think of people who causually slander Christ
AS> Telling the faults of some of His followers is not slandering Christ,
John.
Unless it is a "fundy" type doing the fault finding, I presume.
When a "fundy" type does it, then it is "hateful."
The issue I raise has to the correctness of claiming or insinuating
that mass murderers should be called "His followers."
["CHRISTians" are presumed to be "His followers"]
AS> He obviously had great respect for Moses, but little for the
AS> Pharisees and Sadduccees He criticized, though they thought
AS> themselves to be followers of Moses and descendents of Abraham.
"For IF you believed Moses,
you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me." John 5:46
AS> I would hate to justify HATE in Christ's name, though.
JP> ........ by insinuating mass murderers are guided by Christ ?
AS> By no means.
JP> [which is what one does when one speaks of mass murdering
JP> "Christians"]
AS> By no means, John. Your definition of Christian, if it means one who
AS> is guided in Christ in all things, is very different than mine.
Do you agree with the principle that "Christ-led"
is DIFFERENT FROM "Clergy-led" ?
AS> "Judge NOTHING before the time" Jim.
JP> Rev. 2:2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that
JP> you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the test those who call
JP> themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
AS> Sure. I even know someone who claims to be an apostle. To have seen
AS> Jesus. And I similarly judge him false, on the evidence. But since one
AS> who is an apostle is one who has seen the risen Christ, it hardly
AS> seems germane here...
It's germane to the appropriateness of JUDGING
[evaluating, if you will] ANYONE who claims spiritual authority.
[the alternative is becoming among the "blind following the blind"]
WBW, John 2/2
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|From: John Prewett
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:22:21
EID:4c2e 202d6ac0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D628D
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
As> [A- Quoting John Prewett to Asmodeus - #5 Yes, that does figure if
As> you think about it. Where is the proof of a 'heaven'? I see none.
J> Get back to me when you WANT to see a bit of "evidence." WBW, John
As> Ok, I WANT to see this evidence. I am extremely open to new ideas and
As> wish to see. If it is extraordinary evidence, with no room for error,
As> I'll become a firm believer as it will simply be a matter of fact, and
As> I only seek facts. Not a believer of any of the white-lighter
As> religions that exist now. I'll have the knowledge of the existence
of
As> a Creator within my mind, but doubt very much if I will worship or
As> hold it in awe, but you can give it your best shot.
Predictive power is a "scientifically" recognized type of "evidence."
The Biblical equivalent is prophecy and fulfillment.
The following, with one stroke, elegantly
BOTH-
constitutes evidence of the truth of Jesus Christ,
AND
reveals what God and Jesus think of what
you call the "white lighter religions."
The following is a correlation of some of the Revelations descriptions,
and the unique fulfillment found in known facts re- the Vatican.
From chapters 17 & 18- ['IFO" = "In Fulfillment Of']
17:2 '.....with whom the kings of the earth committed immorality..'. IFO
17:2 - The immoral ties of the Vatican with earthly rulers
are presently and historically verifiable.
17:4 '.....and the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet...'. IFO 17:4
- Find a picture of the Cardinals in full costume.
17:5 '.....Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots....'. IFO 17:5 - The
Vatican calls herself the 'mother church'
because the denominations came out of her.
The denominations share her perversion.
17:6 '.....drunk with the blood of saints...'.
IFO 17:6 - Study the inquisitions. A policy of murder & torture
of real people, carried out openly over centuries.
Inspired and directed by men who claim to be the
unique and direct representatives of Jesus Christ.
17:9 '.....seven hills on which the woman sits....'. IFO 17:9 - Rome is
famous for its seven hills.
17:15 '.....The waters which you saw where the woman sits,
are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues....'. IFO 17:15 - The
worldwide influence of the Vatican is obvious.
17:18 '.....and the woman you saw is the great city which
reigns over the kings of the earth...'. IFO 17:18 - The popes long ruled
openly over the kings of the known world.
Every king knew that if he bucked the papacy, then the pope
would - could - did encourage the citizens to revolt.
This principle is still in practice today.
18:4 '.....voice from heaven saying: Come out of her MY people...'. IFO
18:4 - Some R.C.'s belong to Jesus and will come out.
[they will also come out of the denominations]
This is happening now, and has happened before.
18:12-19 ..... describes the great wealth of the great whore. IFO 18:12-19-
Vatican's financial assets [open & hidden] are enormous.
The Revelation says there is a great whore in the city of 7 hills.
Lo and behold- there is. Most commentators place the writing
of the Revelation at around 90AD, well before the Vatican existed.
This visible and verifiable fulfillment is God-given
evidence confirming the truth of Jesus Christ.
Discussion most welcome. With best wishes, John
[depending on your reaction to the above,
we may or may not next venture into prophecy
that I expect to see fulfilled in the near future]
WBW, John
--------- ' Come out of her MY people....' [fm Rev.18] ----------
Call on Jesus and heed His Revelation!
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 14:38:30
EID:552c 202d74c0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D7466
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
AS> Or I could come in dressed as a Roman Catholic Priest and see
AS> who would try to kill me, and I'd know he was John Prewitt.
JP> Your dishonest slander is noted.
DC> After all, Al, it's the Pope that Prewitt's out to get!
DC> Shame on you for getting his target wrong....
AS> You're right. WhatEVER was I thinking of?
I have not threatened to kill anyone.
Sad to see "christians" share a lie with a heathen.
You do call yourself a "christian", don't you ?
WBW, John
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: BUS CRASH
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:58:40
EID:0d60 202d6f40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607c5269
JH>> Fergivness?
JH>> Did you learn to spell by watching "Hee Haw"?
DH> What have you got against Hee Haw?
It leads to harder drugs.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:30:47
EID:3cc6 202d9bc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f66f5
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWO of my Satanic Curse.
Nothing has happened.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:38:52
EID:1c4e 202d9cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f7797
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30f71381
LB> Should I add a Marilyn Monroe look to the nun outfit?
Ah... reminds me of a tasteless cartoon (the best kind)
I saw recently.
Two "flashers" are hiding in an alley. One is dressed as
Jesus Christ. Around the corner an unsuspecting nun is
walking down the street.
The flasher dressed as Christ is speaking: "Want to see
someone shit a brick? Watch this..."
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:45:52
EID:4b91 202d9da0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f9bc9
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30f7137e
JH>> He had explicit orders to not enter Mexican waters. He not only
JH>> entered them, but (for reasons known only to him) he shelled an
JH>> uninhabited island. The Mexican government was less than amused
JH>> and that was the end of Hubbard's military career.
JH>> I'd LOVE to know if there is any truth to that story.
LB> Doesn't help confirm the story itself, but I checked with
LB> George, and we WERE using subs during WWI. [...]
LB> The rest of your story sounds crazy enough to be Hubbard.
That's what concerns me. The man hasn't even been dead for twenty
years and already there is a massive body of both pro- and con-
Hubbard myths.
For instance, none of the supposed witnesses or parties to the
Hubbard-Hienlien bet never made any statements indicating that
such a bet had been made. Nor are there any first hand witnesses
to the alleged "The way to make money is to start your own
religion." quote, even though it was supposedly made before a
large audience. Yet both anecdotes are taken by most at face value.
Whether he ends up on the good or the bad side of the pantheon
of the future is yet to be decided, but the man is well on
his way to becomeing legend.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: CompuCrust
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:02:58
EID:df8b 202da040
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607fbd43
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 0f46f710
TL>> I am not supposed to take a stick or sword and convert
TL>> people. As long as you don't try to shut me up
SR> Sheesh! An actual Terry Parker posting that didn't bore us
SR> all to death with the usual crap about Waco injustice.
SR> Something must be wrong in fundyville.
Really... I've been seeing those robo-posts for something like
two years now and I had no idea he(?) was an Xian.
I've especially enjoyed the rants about Janet Reno. Those folks seem
to forget that Reno was Clinton's THIRD choice Attorney General (the
first being rejected for employing an illegal alien as a housekeeper
and the second not wanting the job).
So in one short month she went from being a relatively unknown city
official from Jessejonesograd to being one of the masterminds of the
New World Order planetary conspiracy. It must involve one hell of a
training course.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 14 Jan 96 00:16:28
EID:ae87 202e0200
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6081ff5b
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 039332db
>> JH> You mentioned you were practicing aromatherapy.
>> JH> I was just run over by a truck.
>> JH> What should I snif?
>> Burnt rubber and exhaust fumes....
SM> No, no, no!!
SM> That's what J.J WOULD snif(f)!!
SM> J.J. used the term "SHOULD" in the question being quoted!!
Maybe they're practicing homeopathic aromatherapy.
(Damned glad I didn't say I had diarrhea.)
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: It only hurts when I Spong.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 00:47:22
EID:590c 202e05e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60826fe4
JH>> Cultures blend. Always have, always will, the prohibitions
JH>> of "holy laws" notwithstanding.
AS> The Jews, for thousands of years, and a variety of
AS> circumstances, have stayed true to their concept of God, despite
AS> pogroms and Holocausts and Inquisitions. The one thing they would
AS> be LEAST likely to assimilate is in the matter of religion.
But we know of at least one very obvious example of a fusion
between the tribal ethno-centric religion of the Jews and the
more cosmopolitan world outlook of the Greeks and Romans.
It's called Christianity.
And in modern times we have the observance of Hanukkah. The
history of it's observance as a major holiday happens to coincide
with the time when Dickens and the retailers made Christmas
into a Mighty Big Deal. Also, you will find it being either a
minor observance or not observed at all in those parts of
the world where the Eastern Orthodox callendar is used and
Christmas is celebrated somewhat later in the year.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Married, will Spong
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:07:44
EID:8f78 202e08e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60829079
JH>> Cultures blend. Always have, always will, the prohibitions
JH>> of "holy laws" notwithstanding.
AS> But...although it is a good generalization, JJ, sometimes
AS> it falls flat on specific instances. For instance, American
AS> settlers adapted very little from Indian religion.
Only because there was little or no cultural interaction between
the two. Assimilation is a gradual process that takes generations.
The campaign of genocide waged against the natives didn't allow
enough time.
In areas where there was enough time (the Southwest) we do see signs
of such melding. However, the examples are largely limited to
Antichrist Roamin' Catholicism, which we all know isn't God's
favorite brand of Christianity.
However, I will grant you that assimilation does require a certain
degree of cultural flexibility, an ability to adapt to new
situations. The tribal cultures of the Indians of the southwest are
rigidly traditionalistic, and as such are doomed to inevitable
extinction. Judaism, thanks in part to the Babylonian captivity,
is a little more adaptive. Yet you will notice that while it does
survive, only very rarely (and under special circumstances) has it
ever really thrived.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: FUN WITH YOUR NEW SPONG
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:23:30
EID:4cf2 202e0ae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60829e35
JH>> Oddly enough, I used to enjoy such services. I've always
JH>> enjoyed sermons, especially bad ones. And I've heard my
JH>> share of some of the worst. Also, when they took requests
JH>> for which hymn to sing
AS> Evern read the P.G. Wodehouse story, "The Great Sermon
AS> Handicap" where they bet on ministers to see who could do
AS> the most interminably long and boring sermon?
They're only boring if you approach them as "teaching".
I view them as entertainment.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Bang a Spong! Get on!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:29:22
EID:9de7 202e0ba0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082ccfb
JH>> There were other hymns that were frequently requested for
JH>> similar motives (it was a way of "getting back" at the folks on
JH>> the platform), but the Battle Hymn was by far the most
JH>> requested.
AS> Heh! That's funny. We just give 'em a hot meal and put 'em
AS> up for the night, let them have showers and watch TV.
My very first exposure to The 700 Club was in a small mission in the
apple growing region of Virginia (might have been Winchester, but
all my memories of those years tend to blur together). The ONLY
program allowed on the TV was 'The 700 Club'. I recall watching
about 15 minutes of it with an overpowering sense of "What is this
shit?".
Luckily (?) that was the night when they packed everyone into a van
and drove them over to be displayed at a "meeting" in a local school
auditorium. The mission stiffs got up and "testified", everyone
stood up and sat down several times and sang songs.
After that ordeal, we were packed back into the van and had the
option of watching more of The 700 Club. I went to bed early.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Let Jesus out of his case.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:49:12
EID:f1b9 202e0e20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082e3a8
AS> Oh, that's not as inexplicable as it seems. No material
AS> object can go faster than the speed of light, but there's
AS> nothing that says space ITSELF cannot expand faster than
AS> light speed.
Relative to what? How could it be measured without having
massive objects appear to be moving faster than light?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Bethann
|Sub: Tolerance
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:04:50
EID:5cea 202e1080
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082fe14
REPLY: 1:324/127 568ba8d4
B> everyone's mother's maiden name.
B> If you want to know what your mother's maiden name is, ask
B> her! If you want me to read for you, make arrangements to
B> come over and I'll pull out my cards.
You can't "read" at a distance?
Why not?
Is it because your "reading" depends on visual cues from your
victim to tell you if you are guessing correctly?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Glenda's departure
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:13:00
EID:3bd9 202e11a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60831476
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f2a760
RJ> I think the Blue Council definitely needs to have a class
RJ> reunion sometime in 1997.
I agree. IF it is still around in 1997.
Don't forget that the last "moderator-in-name-only" (Konehaid)
damned near got the thing removed from the backbone.
Right now it's faultering. It seems that a lot (but sadly not all)
of the Internet crossposts disappeared after Glenda took her most
recent powder. Traffic right now is WAY down, but I'm sure Glenda
(just like Fu Manchu) will return in rather short order.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:59:01
EID:6316 202e1760
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6083789c
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 30f77761
JH>> I for one wouldn't give mathematics even half a thought if
JH>> I had to do the arithmetic myself.
PS> How many high school students these days know what
PS> a quadratic equation is, let alone how to work one?
How many high school students these days know what a shovel is,
let alone how to work one.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 14 Jan 96 03:05:58
EID:f5a2 202e18a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60838f54
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 30f77764
JH>> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard
JH>> recently claimed that he was in command of a submarine in
JH>> WWI (did we even have subs
PS> I heard that he was aboard a destroyer during WWII.
That concurs with the biographical notes about him in the
back of Dianetics. For some reason I thought Hubbub was older
than that. I thought Crowley had made a few references to him
(Maybe Luke Clark has these handy), which would tend to make
him older than the average WWII soldier's age of 25.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan A. Post
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 14 Jan 96 04:46:56
EID:9619 202e25c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084751b
REPLY: 1:245/100 04126ff5
DAP> Nowhere does Christianity substantiate cannibalism.
DAP> Nowhere.
JOHN 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if
any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread
that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of
the world.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
MARK 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed,
and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is
my body.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
MATTHEW 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and
blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples,
and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:04:14
EID:2a22 202e2880
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084a095
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30f17759
DR>> AL SCHROEDER 5778 Needs a daytime job other than HS
DR>> Dan Ceppa 5307 Could have tried harder.
DR>> Michael Hardy 4518 Hardly!
DR>> Fredric Rice 3246 Better educated than Jesse Christ
DR>> Jones J.J. Hitt 3149
DR>> David Worrell 3092
DW> Gee, David, why don't I get anything?
Frankly, I'm relieved that I didn't get a descriptive comment.
It's bad enough being a member of The 3000 Club.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:19:11
EID:a042 202e2a60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084c371
A> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU WRITE
A> OFF-TOPIC AGAIN.
Promise?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:23:58
EID:e1d0 202e2ae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084ce24
JB> Most blood banks would kill to get my blood. I'm B-.
JB> Unfortunately I have such a high Rh titer that it could
JB> be deadly to give it to anyone who doesn't already have
JB> the same problem or, in the case of a female, is
JB> totally sterile.
Would your blood be any less dangerous if you had low-slung
titers?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-nightie religion
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:28:21
EID:3ddd 202e2b80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084f600
As> My name alone should tell you of my devilish
As> background.
L> Then you don't know shit about Demonology.
A> I know enough to have chosen a name which suits me, except
A> for Asmodeus was Hebrew, and I was Christian. It matters
A> naught, for now we both stand for the same thing.
You obviously don't know shit about linguistics either.
(We're begining to see a pattern here. Can you spot it?)
The "-deus" sufix of your name is clearly Greek.
ooOOoo
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Re: Zilliness Squared!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 08:51:31
EID:81ff 30f675aa
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f675aa
> READ very
> much of this forum. It is a shooting gallery. The fundies
> are the
> little tin ducks here.
...and isn't it nice that they all align themselves in neat little
rows????
bangbang
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: DIPSTICK SEES UFO...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 08:53:58
EID:81ff 30f67640
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f67640
> JB>>> Next time, just ask 'mr. english major' to give you
> the
> JB>>> plural of opus.
> MG>> Little known fact...."Opera"
> RJ> You mean, it's not..."Opie"?
>
> More than one? Andy's gonna be very confused.
To confuse things even more, the *alternate* plural of opus is also:
Opuses
:)
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J. J. Hitt
|Sub: We're having a FIESTA!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 14:28:31
EID:8218 202d7380
J.j. Hitt, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty Leipzig:
ML> I always snicker at the "Sacred Heart of Jesus" citronella
ML> and bug-zapper candles on sale at the local Fiesta mart.
JH> If we ever have a HolySmoke get-together in Texas, it will
JH> have to include a trip to a Fiesta.
I get dibs on the Tilapia (I used to buy 'em there live for my
aquarium...)
JH> No one is going to believe we have Jesus-in-a-spray-can unless
JH> they see it for themselves.
JH> But, I have a fixation about Fiesta ("ethnic" grocery stores,
JH> for the benefit of those unfamiliar with them). I can spend the
JH> better part of an entire day in the one on Hilcroft. It's like
JH> combining a flea market with a trip to the circus.
They're wonderful. I love losing a day in a Fiesta (the one on
Hwy. 6 and Bissonnet is a hoot...great place for badly acted,
badly shot, badly dubbed Indian movies...). I, also being a
gourmand, just enjoy the hell out of finding something
comestiblely new at these stores. The aforementioned store is
in the newly populated Asian west section of town...what a
melange of weirdities can be found in that place.
Over in my neck of the woods (San Antonio East...ack...Katy),
there's a new "African Hair Goods and Food Store". If you need
ghoeuzhaco or "rift flattener", this is the place to go.
... Just exactly how much 'Whiz' is in Cheese Whiz?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J. J. Hitt
|Sub: It's Tacky Time!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:41:13
EID:0f34 202d9520
J.j. Hitt, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty Leipzig:
JB>> And next to that, the 'Tacky Town' souvenir shop. Yep,
JB>> we'd clean up.
ML> I thought that little "Tacky Townlet" kiosks scattered
ML> around might give you a better market share.
JH> Shit!
JH> Next thing ya know, ya'll will come up with door-to-door
JH> Tacky Ladies.
Goat! What