God Damned Fundies!
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 12 Jan 96 22:35:45
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Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get through here
declined over the years? It seemed to me that at one time some fundies
could at least formulate a minimal argument to justify their occultism.
Now it seems that they're no longer even willing to try.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Aryan National Front
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:18:45
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rj> If you ever get a chance to chat up one of Bill Riccio's boys
rj> (the leader of the Birmingham, AL-based Aryan National Front),
FR> I wonder if they class as either Pagani or Wicca. I'm sure to most
rj> I'm pretty sure they're not Wiccan.
The difference between Pagani and Wicca are pretty vague. It might be difficult
to defend anyone who worships Odin being considered a Pagan. Odin, Zeus,
Isis et al. being worshipped, I think, doesn't lock-in a solid determination.
Allah, Zeus, cows and Jesus aren't as vaguely worshipped.
FR> people they do. As for 'chatting up' one of these
FR> clowns, only at a distance, man. I have a
FR> zero shit tolerance policy for racial bigotry and
FR> sex bigotry -- they're a couple of my bugaboos.
rj> Y'just sort of clap your hand over your face after a minute
rj> and say, "Uh, yeah. Well look, izzat the time? I've gotta
rj> get going now..."
When I go to any kind of gathering, I always have my own safety
in mind. (I live near Los Angeles.) I doubt I would ever find
myself among a bunch of nuts by accident.
First: I checked my archives for Aryan National Front. I found nothing.
I will check the Ken McVey archives since they're far more extensive than
mine and take the chance to update my stuff. Hopefully McVey's Almanac has
materials on these clowns.
Did you ever see a PBS special called, "Blood on the Face?"
rj> Specifically, the ones that believe in
rj> the benevolence of Nature. LIE!
FR> I've never heard a Pagan or Wiccan make that claim, though.
rj> Perhaps it's more common among SewAgers.
Man, it's getting difficult to tell who are what since the boundaries are
so blurry.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Sexist Asshole for Christ
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:29:03
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FR> Have you been watching the National Organization of Women and the
FR> problem that, oh, what's her name... Marilyn Kagan? caused when NOW
FR> tried to make woman battering a _racial_ problem based specifically
FR> upon these statistics?
rj> I wonder why they would try to splinter the problem.
They saw that playing the race card makes their agenda reach more people
than if they had just stuck to the fact that woman beating is pandemic to
all.
FR> NOW is making woman battering a racial problem -- a black problem --
FR> and Kagan made some comment about not having the time for blacks who
FR> would do that, saying that woman beating knows no racial boundaries.
rj> Eh? Was she suggesting _not_ turning it into a racial problem,
rj> or just not considering such cases?
She said she "had no time" for politisizing or talking to black women who
wanted to make it a race problem. She wanted to keep focused on the actual
problem rather than drag race into it. Her words were taken to mean that
she had no time for blacks.
FR> Also, I have to wonder if you honestly think stateing facts such as
FR> there being more Christians in prison than atheists is itself a
FR> bigotry. Are you willing to defend that position?
rj> Not sure. How do you mean? Stating the facts
rj> isn't bigotry. Making the prejudgment is.
David's comment, as I recall, stated facts exactly yet you appeared to accuse
him of bigotry.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 14 Jan 96 10:55:35
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FR> You couln't possibly be more wrong. The glorification of war started
FR> to come to an end some 35 years ago. Nationalism was no longer a
FR> justification for fighting in foreign lands for vague, ill-defined
FR> rhetoric of "saving democracy."
rj> What I mean about the social problem is that the anti-war
rj> crowd used to harass soldiers and spit on them because they
rj> went to Nam.
I can't agree that that was a "social problem." I won't condone the harassment
and physical attacks which were commonly enacted against returning soldiers
yet I _would_ condone the protests and question the morality of people who
would do whatever their political masters dictate against vague, ill-defined,
ambiguous threats for vague, ill-defined, ambiguous "Democracy" or "the
American way of life."
Fighting Hitler and even getting Saddam out of Kuwaite was justified and
I can see the morality of killing innocent people to get to the tyrant.
Killing innocent people just because one's political masters hate Communism
is undefendable and worthy of vocal protests.
rj> Just like the despots who send their peasant farmers to fight
rj> for them (don't think_they_ haven't been filled with a bunch
rj> of jingoistic crap, either),
Yes, "fighting the great Satan" instead of "fighting Communism."
No difference. Both are lies.
rj> I don't think the draftees felt they had much choice about going.
Rumor has it they were to be shot if they refused. On our end there were
other options. Dodgeing the draft was, in my opinion, the high moral position
-- when done for ideological grounds rather than cowardice.
rj> Rather than just confining the harassment to the decision-
rj> makers in that quagmire, the anti-war element, caught up in
rj> their own jingoism, just wanted to attack _anything_ they saw
rj> as a symbol of that war.
That's because, just as in war, the reasonable targets hide behind their
troops. People protest every war the US gets involved in (and some the
US doesn't get involved in) by mustering at parks near the White House but
it's far easier to attack anyone in uniform when they're on the street or
at the airport. The President doesn't set foreign policy in reguards to
war at any rate; the Pentagon does. Protesting against the right people
is damn difficult.
At least in the United States it desn't get one shot.
FR> capable of selling their agenda to the American public. Rather than
FR> telling the American public that they're "fighting Saddam" to
FR> "reinstall democracy in Kuwaite," they'll have to admit they did it
FR> for cheap oil.
rj> Of course. However, It sounded a lot like David used some words
rj> that were deliberately offensive to a lot of people--
HE TOLD THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH. Call it an offense, call it bigotry, call
it jello pudding... it doesn't alter the fact that war has become sanitized
-- for the United States. The glory days are returning, I think. Bet you
a buck more kids today think war is something glorious than the number of
kids 15 years ago.
rj> not just a cluster of armchair commandos with hawkish
rj> hardons. I just don't see where _he_ thought the flame
rj> on him was so unjustified.
It wasn't a "flame" against him, it was a threat of physical violence for
speaking the truth. David has been in FidoNet for many years and getting
flamed is just part of the fun. Getting threats of physical violence from
ideologues MUST be treated seriously.
FR> Now I ___SUPPORT___ "human rights actions" in places like Bosnia
FR> except that I would rather like our government to clearly define their
FR> role.
rj> Agreed.
I'm surprised. }:-}
rj> Actions without objectives are stupid;
Such as "fighting Communism?"
rj> of course you would _think_ our govt would learn that, but
rj> then that's also why people keep re-electing them--because
rj> *voters* never learn.
Most voters can't discern fact from fiction.
rj> They'll let the GOP plunge the social fabric into the shitter
rj> again, and we'll have another Great Society to follow it.
Let's protest and spit on them!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:00:22
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FR> I hate to see people die on _all_ sides (unless it's Christians
FR> murdering Christians and they don't drag their children into it, of
FR> course. I can think of no better way to _save_ lives by keeping
FR> warring Christanic fractions from unification.)
rj> The problem is, they lust to send their children off to
rj> slaughter. It makes them feel "godlike".
Just like the Children's Crusade of 1212.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Rice's obvious better education
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:11:29
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fl> Actually, my all time favorite philosopher is
fl> Neitzsche! His book: "The Antichrist" is a classic!
FR> I've got several of compilations of his work. I don't like them
FR> because it seems he has a religious following who have deified him and
FR> made his work scripture. Hell, one of the books I have even numbers
FR> the sentences.
rj> Actual sentences, or paragraphs?
Both. "Beyond Good and Evil, Prelude to a Philosopgy of the Future" translated
and commentary by Walter Kaufman, published by Cintage Books, a division
of Random House, Inc, in New York.
Chapter four, verse 65a: "One is most dishonest to one's god:
he is not _allowed_ to sin."
That's the end of verse 65a.
Chapter four, verse 67: "Love of _one_ is a barbarism; for it
is exercised at the expense of all others. The log of God
(sic), too."
Then "A Nietzsche Reader," translated by R. J. Hollingdale, published by
Penguin Classics in 1977.
Numbering the sentences and phrases in each chapter, starting with verse
1 in each, seems to me to be something akin to turning Nietzsche's writings
into scripture.
rj> Nietzsche would've taken a cursory glance at the Nazi Party
rj> and pronounced them Untermenschen. Pure slave morality, under
rj> the guise of a master race.
That's my opinion as well.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Cops Take Fred Rice Down! Twice!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:18:10
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FR> It was the knife which drew the most concern. The NRA stickers showed
FR> that I at least kept abrest of the laws and, most probably, the safety
FR> aspects of firearms (I get safety coursed every other year to remain
rj> What's this new woman who's heading the NRA like?
Man I don't know and I don't care. Even before their "jack booted thugs"
issue came out I was disillusioned and stopped paying dues for membership.
rj> Is there going to be a change from Wayne "Jackbooted Thugs"
rj> LaPierre, or more of the same: going way into the red to
rj> buy influence on the Hill, and alienating a lot of real gunowners?
I had no idea they elected a woman. Perhaps they hope to present themselves
as less the macho duck-blasting, beer swilling gun nuts they appear to be
to so many people and try to turn that perception toward something closer
to the actual truth.
I _hate_ beer. And I don't eat meat.
FR> Someone who's willing to step in close with a knife and slice
FR> someone has _got_ to be a special crazy over and above a coward
FR> with a gun standing across the street or diving by in a speeding car.
rj> And I understand people freak out worse over a crazy with a
rj> straightrazor. Tricky things, but someone'll figure anyone
rj> crazy enough to brandish one of those probably knows how to
rj> use it--and draw a gallon of blood in the process.
Makes sense.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Look at this one
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:19:03
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FR> My money is on him/her being a troll. The BBS he/she runs has sex
FR> talk forums on it, after all. That doesn't seem consistant with the
FR> rabid fundy image he/she is trying to depict.
rj> Neither were Swaggart and Bakker.
Woops! Yeah, with tha perspective he _does_ sound like a True Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:19:43
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FR> By the way: Do you think you might be able to make it to a HolySmoke
FR> convention sometime this August if it's held somewhere hear Dallas?
rj> That sounds like a plan. Not in competition w/DFest, though?
Either the week before or the week after, with the focus on a week end.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian criminals
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:20:17
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sq> Now, if you want to say "MOST Fundamentalist Christians,"
sq> I would probably be inclined to go along with that.
FR> I would rather continue to play the extremist. I agree with you,
FR> though, but this _is_ HolySmoke. Don't tell anyone I don't
FR> actually believe the extreme end of the spectrum that I pretend to.
I
rj> Why say things you don't mean?
Speaking in absolutes draws more attention.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Satanist
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:21:22
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>> and if you are some white-lighter who wants to try to stomp my
>> religion, all i can say is, COME GET SOME.
FR> Well, LaVey didn't include any deities in his rantings. My guess is
FR> you're religion is safe here but that you are probably an endangered
FR> species... cyberlly speaking, of course. No "Satanist" seems willing
FR> to stay here for long when he finds 'Smokers don't care about him.
rj> I dunno--you might enjoy boxing with this nimrod.
We'll have to see which variant this one is. He might be mixing Christianity
with his Anton. }:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Sound-stealing
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:39:40
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FR> off of the appartment complex's window, back to the car's windshield,
FR> then back to the satelite. KCET then played the computer segregated
FR> voice tracks of individual conversations pulled from the mix using
FR> what amounts to powerful electronic voodoo magic.
rj> I take it they simply used the Doppler deviations from
rj> the vibrations of the windowpane?
Yes, while takeing out a bewildering variety of noise from vibration on
the car's windshield and the natural expansion and contraction caused by
heat and puffs of wind, vehicles passing, wobbles in the Earth/Satelite
orbit...
rj> That does seem almost unbelievable.
Not when thinking about towed sonar arrays and the massive computers used
in 688 attack submarines needed to extract frequency depictions while filtering
biologicals and geologicals. Sonar systems are so good that detecting submarines
by the noise they occlude at 30 miles is typical. The computer technology
probably is much the same for satelite LASER systems. My guess is that
the satelite preprocesses and compresses, then sends the glut down to be
processed on massive computers.
rj> Sensitivity on that level isn't really hard to imagine,
rj> since SETI equipment can pick up ET radiation in the
rj> picowatt range.
Leptons are far easier to detect and amplify electronically than pressure
waves caused by minutely heated air, though. Looking at the problem in
terms of thermonics, all a voice does is introduce heat in a regulated way
into a general direction which expands and attenuates as a function of the
square of the distance. The minutely heated air impacts the window pane
causing it to heat up. A sound system channeling audio between two panes
like in the White House effectively makes the task of isolating voice-generated
heat patterns impossible when the sound system is generating white noise.
rj> It's just the anomalous readings, such as temperature
rj> changes which would alter the windshield, or even a
rj> car door slam in the space next to the car, not to mention
rj> something obvious like 22,000 miles worth of atmospheric
rj> layers (or are we talking about low orbit, which is still
rj> a couple hundred miles)--seems there'd be a lot of things
rj> to queer readings.
It's all a very difficult problem. The problem is made easier by employing
parallel beams.
KCET's show played hiss and pop with undifferenciated noise which could
reasonably be identified as voices. After computer processing they played
the result and isolated conversations could be heard.
rj> You were talking about molecular sniffers--I read about one
rj> that was to be sold for business use to sniff out drugs.
Puppy dogs!
rj> It didn't pay off, because the sensitivity was so high
rj> it *always* registered coke and pot or whatever. Seems
rj> the thing could detect something like 10 molecules in
rj> the space of 10,000 cu.ft.
Dogs are far cheaper as well and law-abideing people watching their luggage
sniffed out by fuzzy dogs treat the near-invasion with affection when dogs
are used, I think. Put a guy with unidentifiable electronic gagets sniffing
the luggage and perhaps some animosity might be felt.
Evaporating drugs, though, give off less molecular clues than does an out-gassing
decomposing body. I'm not sure but I suspect that it would be easier to
detect a decomposing body from a helicopter than detecting a jetisoned stash
of cocain.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:46:00
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FR> Oh he'll run our maze, yeah, and wear our throrns and pretend he's
FR> worthy of his "salvation," but I think we get more out of his leg
FR> kicks then he gets out of kicking for us.
I love inflamatory rhetoric.
rj> I wasn't really sure about the little game the three of you
rj> regularly play with him until last week when I tried getting
rj> in on the fun.
Hey, man, we've been looking at the clown for a _long_ time!
He's just so _cute_ when he makes his outrageous claims and then is called
to task for it. ("Everyone is empty" and "for the most part atheists do
no good works" are two of my favorate outrageous [and easilly debunked]
claims.) He gets so angry it's neat.
His attacks against anyone who participates in Thanksgiving and Christmass
is just another piece of the overall picture he'll never live down.
rj> I "see the light" now--he's a gutless wonder who does exactly
rj> what he accuses us heathens of doing--"scurrying for cover".
Welcome to the "dark" side, Robert.
rj> How does he face himself in the mirror in the morning?
THE MAN IS A LAWYER! For him it must have become _easy_.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones: Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:52:53
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JcJ> I am not a fundamentalist.
That's a heaping pile of Goat shit.
jcj> To the extent you mean to impose some other meaning
jcj> on the diminutive "fundy," I categorically reject it.
It's not his decision to make.
rj> Perhaps if you to reject such asinine statements like "I wish
rj> the heathens wouldn't defile our holy day", you wouldn't get
rj> the tag applied to you quite so damn often.
And that's just _one_ of his rants:
-=- Begin history lesson -=- }:-}
Ciya is a blasphemous tool of your cunning. - Jesse C. Jones
It pains my heart to see this blasphemy and hatefulness spread
across the world on this electronic medium. - Jesse C. Jones, HolySmoke
For the most part, atheists simply do not do good and ethical things.
-- Jesse C. Jones (the fundy has no clothes)
Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it.
- Jesse C. Jones
Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it.
- Jesse C. Jones
When they stop calling me a "fundy," I'll stop calling
them heathens. - Jesse C. Jones
you heathens will distort anything in order to attack me.
- Jesse C. Jones
It does not take a complex to know that I am persecuted
in this conference. - Jesse C. Jones
The milieu here is like a gang rape by a bunch of maladjusted
teenaged boys whose hormones have gone mad. - Jesse C. Jones (Heathens)
Pray for his soul. - Jesse C. Jones
This is an evil place, Marilyn.
- Jesse C. Jones (Talking about HolySmoke)
Indeed, if there were no God, I would _have_ to be selfish, I
believe, because there would be no one else watching out for me,
and no reason to put anyone or anything ahead of me. - Jesse C. Jones
You heathens hold court here viciously attacking anyone who dares to
profess religious faith. - Jesse C. Jones
So why do you stick around? - Steve Quarrella
To combat the evil. - Jesse C. Jones
You heathens hold court here viciously attacking anyone who dares to
profess religious faith. Like an adolescent gauntlet, each has his
own mode of attack, and each squeals in delight at the others'
supposed conquests. - Jesse C. Jones
What hubris, to think that your taunts would cause me to
invade the privacy of my friends. -- Jesse C. Jones
What you call a refusal to answer was a refusal to respond
- Jesse C. Jones
But your juvenile campaign of attacking and deriding people of
religious faith may be doing incalculable damage -- for which you
will stand accountable before the ultimate reality.
- Jesse C. Jones (HolySmoke forum)
You think I wanted to appease you? To endear myself to the heathen
hooligans who patrol this smelly place? - Jesse C. Jones (HolySmoke
forum)
Still, I cannot escape the conviction that the purposes
which draw heathens to this place is an evil one...
- Jesse C. Jones (Talking about HolySmoke)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:55:27
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FR> Jesse was just taught to unthinkingly spout-off the Pledge to the
FR> American flag and to believe everything the government's
FR> advertizements of the 1950's and 1960's told him. (Some of these
FR> advertizements are on PBS and even MTV during reviews of
FR> early government demonizations of gays and "communists.)
jcj> I have little interest in discussing the former Soviet
jcj> Union, and even less interest in discussing anything with you.
That's understandable since you _lost_ your previous argument about the
Soviet Union being "evil."
That you refuse to want to discuss your mistaken beliefs in no surprise.
You're a fundy with no conviction of his beliefs.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fido
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:56:49
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JS> KW> "Ack" is the comic strip character Bill the
JS> KW> Cat's one major comment to anything.
JS> Uh huh...you know this 'Bill the Cat' character must
js> be of regional fame. I have never heard of him.
kw> Bill the Cat was a character in 'Bloom County'.
Did any heathen _not_ know that?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Pagani/Wicca racists?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:08:13
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kw> If\when you find something, would you please post it?
kw> I would also be interested.
The group, as I understand it, call themselves "AryanNational Front." I
have searched my extensive archives and come up empty. Ken McVey maintains
a massive archive depository on such groups and I will examine his Almanac
archives.
I'm agonna hit his system on Monday and update my archives with whatever
I find.
lc> I've seen Wiccans get into flame wars about something as
lc> stupid as whether an Athame should be sharp or not, so I
Lc> guess it is possible.
FR> YOU'RE SHITTING ME! I've been to several
FR> Dragon Festivals and didn't catch one whiff of anything
FR> like that.
kw> No, he's not. I got caught in one of those. There are kind
kw> of little silly things that wiccans can and will argue over.
Amazing. Just like any other religion.
kw> I think it is because we don't have a
kw> 'one book' to argue over. Poor us.
That's probably true.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:09:50
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a> What keeps all you white-lighters clinging to your religion?
Fr> Er, ignorance and supersition, mostly, not to mention fear.
a> "Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true
a> Messiahs--Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep."
Fr> Um, blessed by who, exactly?
a> I agree with you on the reason what keeps them in their
a> religion. I assume you are a non-theist becuase I know
a> of no white-lighters who would admit such of themselves.
a> Am I correc in this assumption?
Very few of us are cultists. I'm not.
a> Those who destroy false hope are not blessed in a divine manner, as no
[...cuts...]
You didn't answer my question. Blessed by who?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Staal shows he's sick
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:27:45
EID:c8a1 202e6376
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sr> Yeah...let's all give MISTER Staalie the benefit of our doubts. ;)
FR> Yep. I DOUBT that he's even marginally
fR> sane when he's off his medication.
js> Got great news: been off the medication for
js> months now. Life is indeed good!
That goes into the quotes file.
FR> I KNEW IT! I just KNEW it!
sr> I would pay his doctors just to have his prescription re-filled!
If it were that easy, I would too. His doctors probably advised against
his taking himself off his medication.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Promise Keeper Material
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:29:31
EID:3558 202e63af
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FR> I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem to
FR> particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart from God
FR> even further than do pagan men. - (Jim Staal, Promise Keeper)
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Isn't that lovely? Isn't that hatred and bigotry just so Christian?
js> I see no hatred or bigotry here, Furd...
That's because you're a Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Supreme ignorance and superstition...
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:30:20
EID:c2f6 202e63ca
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DR> This Staalin creep must get even less sex than I do.
js> HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHA! Wilbur can't
js> keep her hands offa me...even after over 30 years of it...
FR> She's probably deluded into the hope of ever finally getting
FR> satisfaction.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> What're you doing...answering for you alter ego, Dave now, Furd?
Just because you suffer from MPD doesn't mean that everyone
else must to make you appear sane.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ab
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:31:06
EID:7eaf 202e63e3
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fR> I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
FR> his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
FR> Are you just a liar or are you a liar for Jesus?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
You never answered my question, of course.
js> What has the above post to do with hatred and bigotry?
FR> Perhaps your inability to see your own
FR> hatred and bigotry is what your problem is.
js> I can't see it because you haven't presented any...
You can't see it because you're a Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:32:21
EID:852e 202e640a
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JS> There is no life existing 'out there'.
FR> Have any evidence for that, dickless?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
Still haven't answered this question either, I noticed.
js> You have any evidence to support this claim, Fred?
FR> How about that high, whiney voice of yours?
js> Sorry, wrong agian, Furd. My voice range is upper baritone.
FR> Oh? That's quite different than the whine you adopt in this forum.
js> Just because your anti-Christian hatred and bigotry has blinded your
Just because you're filled with hatred and bigotry doesn't mean that every
one else is just to make you appear reasonable.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: X files
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:33:33
EID:e529 202e6430
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JS> Either way, there is no command from
js> Jesus to commit atrocities for Him
js> I see no command from Jesus to commit atrocities for Him...
FR> That's because you dont _want_ to even read your own cult's
FR> mythologies.
js> I know of no mythologies to which you refer...
FR> Which is exactly my point.
js> Mine as well. We agree!
FR> One wonders why you still profess to believe in them.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> I don't.
Denying you're a Christian when you hate like one is silly, Jim.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: JIM STAAL: TYPICAL PROMISe keeper?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:34:43
EID:5e51 202e6455
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FR> Are you actually _denying_ it long
FR> after you apologized for voicing it?!
js> I apologized for any hurt it may have caused her. I apologized for
js> even getting involved in the conversation in the first place.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Last week you were denying ever having said it.
js> You have any evidence to support this claim?
All the lies you later deny prior to the 12'th of this month were
not archived, Promise Keeper. In the last message you claimed you weren't
a Christian. I'll bet you a buck you now deny it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: JIM STAAL: WHAT WE ALL KNow and understand
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:35:40
EID:1413 202e6474
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js> If you know of these 'mythologies', specifically mention
js> them by name and maybe we could make some headway here...
js> Doesn't the fact that you exhibit your ignorance every time you post
js> here with this sort of unsubstantiated tripe tell you and everyone
js> soemthing about yourself? When I ask for specifics, you, of course just
js> dance around it and continue in your mindless ridicule.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Such bluster and squid ink is merely trying to obscure the issue, Jim.
js> The squid ink is all yours, Fred.
And yet here you are trying to weasel out of having to answer hurtful, embarrassing
questions.
Perhaps you should rethink your going off your medication.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal continues to deny his hatred
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:36:18
EID:0d5e 202e6489
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js> You have no evidence.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> That's true. (I'm surprised you managed to type a truth,
FR> actually, without bursting into flames or something.)
js> I always retain my calm smooth control. :)
The archives I do have show that as just another Christanic lie.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:37:03
EID:50d2 202e64a1
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js> You _still_ haven't provided any evidence
js> that I ever made the statement.
FR> You still haven't really apologized. Do you plan to?
js> Apologize!? To whom...? For what...?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> I see that you have no intention of doing so.
js> I can't apologize to/for someone/something that
js> does not exist or has not happened...
Much like you can't apologize for your homophobic hatred... you're too
Christian to see the truth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Christanic liar
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:39:02
EID:8830 202e64e1
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js> Liar. My claim is that you alter Lump's
js> post to make it appear as thought posted them.
FR> Liar. The word you used _was_ "censor."
js> If you have any evidence of that claim, big boy, trot it out
js> here and I'll be more than happy to take a look at it...
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> No, I didn't feel the need to archive your claims.
FR> You _did_ mark the date ony our calendar, didn't you?
js> What date was that, FURD?
Pretending ignorance is silly, Staal, when you know I wo't forget.
FR> - Jim Staal (Defending his homophobia in HolySmoke)
js> This is a bold-faced lie, Fred.
So much so you had to erase your own words out of embarrassment.
Die and fry! You and your scum sucking in-bred brother, furd.
- Jim Staal (Defending his homophobia in HolySmoke)
It hurts, doesn't it?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Promise Keeper
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:40:10
EID:f124 202e6505
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js> Liar. When you put "js>" in front of lump's text, you
js> attempt to designate me as the author -- regardless of
js> what the truth is...that lump posted it and not me.
FR> You _are_ the author of your own posts, you idiot!
js> Why of course, I am, Furd.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Then stop your whineing and _take_the_responsibility_
FR> for your own words.
js> No problem. I just am not going to take the
js> responsibilty for your or lump's words, dude!
See what happens when you take yourself off your medication?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Seven-sided triangles
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:41:08
EID:438a 202e6524
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FR> Curry appears to have been abducted by Staal's UFOs.
js> Uh...that would be 'rudzinski's' UFOs, MISTER Rice...
FR> Liar. UFO's don't abduct people. YOU attributed aliens and outer
FR> space to his UFO sighting. YOU interpreted his UFOs into something
of
FR> YOUR creation.
js> I never brought UFO's. rudzinski did.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> That's not the issue, idiot. YOU added aliens to his statement. All
FR> he did was say "UFO" and you, in your ignorance, mistakenly attributed
FR> the statement to bug-eyed monsters.
js> Yeah...I attributed the statement to george. What's the problem?
No you didn't, Promise Keeper, you concocted a fictional construct in your
own head and attributed the results to George. That's typical of Christanics,
by the way.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:45:23
EID:b8f4 202e65ab
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> (We gotta get this Staal clown into the
FR> HolySmoke convention to give a talk.)
js> No prob. A round trip, first class ticket and my usual
js> lecture fees and perks (myself and Wilbur) and I'm there, dude.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> Now why can't you death cultists ever be as funny when
FR> your ignorance is debunked? It should make faceing the harsh
FR> realities of your own occultism easier to face, I would [imagine].
FR> Are you willing to give a 15 minute talk sometime in or near Dallas
FR> next August?
js> Provide the above prerequisites and you got it.
None of the heathens I've contacted who might be interested have demanded
to be paid for their participation. Of course they won't be utterly debunked
and embarrassed, though. That makes you a special flavor of shit, huh?
I will provide compensation for the plane tickets provided you state your
lecture fees in writing and sign an agreement we will work out together.
Receipt of the lecture fee and _compensation_ for the tickets will be contingient
upon your finishing your 15 minute talk.
Fair? We'll even have Jesse Christ Jones set things up if you wish. The
estimated convention date is set toward the third or fourth week next August.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal RULES the toilets!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:46:48
EID:a3d1 202e65d8
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> Someone else was wondering about that... the fundy
FR> mentality and the inability to hack-up a sentence.
js> Or the inablility of blasphemous pagan liars (such as yourself)
js> to _backup_ a sentence with anything of substance.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> "Blasphemy" is a religious construct not evidenced in fact.
FR> As fas a "pagan" is concerned, I don't hold any deity beliefs,
FR> remember? I'm a heathen.
js> Matters not. You are still a blasphemer by definition...
Nonsense. I don't subscribe to _your_ mental delusions. Your demands for
ignorance in others is no different than someone demanding you wear garlic
around your neck to ward off the vampires.
Ignorance, occultism, and superstition are fine, Promise Keeper, just don't
attribute them to your intellectual betters.
Thanks.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:47:32
EID:69ba 202e65f0
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PID: FM 2.02
>> C'MON FERDIE, GET A LIFE FOR ONCE AND SAY OR DO SOMETHING
>> INTELLIGENT....LIKE ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR SIT AND CLEAN YOURSELF
>> LIKE THE DOG THAT YOU ARE...seeing no-one will do it for ya.That's
my
>> quote and I will take CREDIT for it, thank you.....Yeah, Lump ain't
in
>> the mood to take any more crap from neanderthal ape people like you
who
>> don't have enough sense to pick their knuckles up off the ground and
>> pick their nose.....VERMIN!!!!!
>> ... Catch the Blue Wave!
>> ! Origin: WareHouse BBS - Wyoming MI - (616)538-5410 (1:228/45)
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
FR> I still say that Jim Staal is the one responsible for these messages.
js> No, I am not, Fred.
That depends upon which one of you is "forward" at the time.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Dating, Biblical style
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:13:28
EID:e81c 202e91ae
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 07122725
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30f148f3
PID: FM 2.02
> The Top 16 Biblical Ways to Acquire a Wife
> Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim
> her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours.
> --Deuterononmy (Deuteronomy 21:11-13)
[...cuts...]
Thanks. I'll use these tomorow.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: those far-away minds
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:17:50
EID:5342 202e9239
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MH> He learned it from skeptics who insist they know what Jesus
mh> "really" said, and why Paul "invented" Christianity, and so forth.
dd> If we did not have the Word of God, of course
FR> You have words written by gods? I find that amazing!
FR> Why haven't you shared them with the rest of humanity?
dd> I do give out the Word of God which is the true gospel.
It's strange that you have elected to keep these "words" of your deity constructs
selfishly all to yourself. Don't you think the world would like to see
them?
Why are you so selfish?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:24:10
EID:3708 202e9305
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>> and "arrest" government officials at a distance. In two months a
FR>> bunch of them are supposed to "march" on the Mexican border here
FR>> in Southern California. I can't wait to see a bunch of idiots
FR>> actually try it.
dw>> What the hell good is that gonna do?
FR> BRING THEM TO JUSTICE!
dw> Someone should point out to them that the federal government
sq> is on the East Cost, not the Southwest Coast.
"The government" is anyone with a government job, whether it's delivering
the mail or watching State employee children in a day care center. To add
fule to the ignorants, the federal government has announced their intentions
to spend 13 million bucks to beef-up the Mexican border -- a mere 30 days
away from when the lunatics I talked about previously intend to "march"
on Mexico. (See next message to all.)
FR> Yep. Running left and right trying to escape the Blinding Light
FR> of the Law is pretty cool. 'Course I like it when they sent in
FR> the dogs. }:-}
dw> "Get it offa me! Get this dog offa me, PLEASE! I'll suck your
dw> if you'll just get this dog offa me!"
I. LOVE. IT! That's about what one
guy was saying when three officers were trying to drag him to the ground
while the K9 cop was latched onto his foot.
I think the guys holding the dog's choke chain wasn't trying to disengage
the dog _too_ hard... wouldn't want to hurt the dog. The "perp"
tried a few kicks at the dog which only made him more determined.
dw>> It's fun to watch 'em try, though.
FR> I think there's a book out, "Americans stupidist
FR> criminals." I have to find it.
dw> Have you read the syndicated column "News of the Weird"?
Nope.
dw> It generally has a "stupid criminals" section. If it isn't
dw> in a paper close to you, I think they have a web site.
dw> Let me know, and I'll see if I can find the URL.
Give me what you've got, please. And I FINALLY got your network address...
Questor Thew gave it to me again over #holysmoke on undernet.org.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: india future
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:26:28
EID:555d 202e934e
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>> We need someone who can perform 68000 assembly code work that fits
FR>> into C code that all does telephony work. It's all programming.
dw>> I've got my "The 68HC11 Microcontroller" textbook
dw>> right here. What part don't you understand?
FR> I wish it were just as easy as that.
dw> Y'mean it isn't?
I sure wish it was. I'm having someone fly in to my area to help me in
a couple of weeks. He's coming from the East Coast and will hopefully be
able to spend a week helping out on two demanding technical problems.
FR> AT&T is laying off a bunch of people
dw> Why couldn't I have been born twenty years earlier? I could've lived
dw> well designing avionics, night vision equipment, or any of the other
dw> tools of the Cold War. Now I'm gonna actually have to *compete* for
dw> employment, like some weenie-assed lawyer or business major.
Well, do what fundies do, pray for another war killing brown skins.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Evil! EVIL!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:31:02
EID:579b 202e93e1
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 07122729
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PID: FM 2.02
dw>> Run along now, and get back to me when you've got the money.
dw>> [time passes] Psst! Hey, you! Yes, you, the Catholic...."
FR> Such a cynic.
dw> I'm an evil heathen, remember? It's part of the job description.
You haven't registered with the Central Committee, though, so it's not yet
official. }:-}
dw> Although, since Satan hasn't been sending my paychecks for the
dw> last decade, I may have to look into an attitude change.
That's why they put out the complaint box in the lobby.
FR> I know that they're loath to manouver, though,
FR> even when there's a shooting war going on.
dw> You don't have to maneuver much. We're not fighting the
dw> Soviets here, who can scan space damn near as well as we can.
Prob'ly.
dw> We're talking about militia weenies, most of whom
dw> wouldn't know a satellite if one fell on their head.
Most probably wouldn't even _think_ that satelites are of any concern. They're
paranoid, but my suspicion is that they're not well informed.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:32:01
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DR> =================================
DR> AL SCHROEDER 5778 Needs a daytime job other than HS
DR> Dan Ceppa 5307 Could have tried harder.
DR> Michael Hardy 4518 Hardly!
DR> Fredric Rice 3246 Better educated than Jesse Christ Jones
DR> J.J. Hitt 3149
DR> David Worrell 3092
dw> Gee, David, why don't I get anything?
You get your paycheck from Satan like everyone else. You don't NEED more.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Star DeTracktor
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:33:17
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FR> If the new "Star Trek" series (plural) on
FR> television were only better than they are,
dw> You obviously missed the DS9 episode where the Bajoran
dw> chick wore a tight rubber outfit for the entire show.
Yeah, I missed it.
dw> T'hell with drama, plot, acting, and all that other silly shit...
But then the damn thing just ends up being like the old series "UFO" and
the see-through shirts on the submarines.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Kirk Bailey
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:42:22
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KB>> As a last bit of advice; DO NOT talk this way in the `real'
KB>> world; someone will adjust your dental geometry for you.
KB>> Good-bye.
FR> Actually no one has adjusted [my] teeth for me yet.
FR> And I'm one of the more rabid atheists in this forum.
dw> Isn't it sad that the fundies often don't even have the balls
dw> to make direct threats? They almost always (Calabrese comes
dw> to mind as an exception) attribute the threat either to their
dw> pet diety or to a generic "someone".
None of them that do mean it, though, yet even at that I take all threats
seriously. Even when David and I were driving all over the country picking
fights, I never really got badly beaten enough to need stiches or anything.
(Course picking and chooseing who to back away from helps. I
mean even david never called a Marine a squid.) Though I must agree with
David that the time I made the mistake of mouthing-off to loggers year Yosemite,
I was lucky. }:-}
I take my mouth with me into the real world just fine. Hell, the fundies
that knock on my door are treated to inflamatory rhetoric _equal_ to what
I put out here. (Yet even at that I would never think of bending down and
telling the child of a "Christian Scientist" they their mommy would let
them die if they get sick. That seems a bit, um, much.)
dw> Being an invertebrate must really suck.
At least they don't have to wait for the sun to warm their blood to operating
temp like lawyers do. }:-}
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|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:45:04
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FR>> Goat grief.
js>> Hmmm...never knew goats had that emotion...
FR> After all your time on the farm running after animals
FR> trying to get away from you? Come now.
dw> Notice that he only said he didn't know goats had "that
dw> emotion [grief]". He's well acquainted with farm animals
dw> expressing outright terror (although the chickens and
dw> other *small* animals probably expressed sexual gratification).
I'm sure even the gerbils on the farm he grew up on were in no danger of
exploding.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:47:05
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am> For years historians claimed there were no such people as the Hittites.
There's a lie. Historians employing science don't make such claims.
Are you trying to lie-up some evidence for the validity of the classical
Christanic mythologies? Is that what you're doing? If so, that's rather
silly inasmuch as the myths are scientifically debunked.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Anal what?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:51:48
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DR> Women can be so horridly cruel.
> That is why you have the most supreme moral imperative to
> get her good and liquored up next time, then "accidentally"
> drop her in the drink as you help her off the boat as she
> goes home. I don't know who it would be more sobering for,
> her or you.
Just like Robert Wagner did.
(I didn't remove the indent above as I usually do in the event you're not
aware that your editor is putting one out -- intentionally or otherwise.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Homosexual christians?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:53:43
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>>> And it's a comfort to know that your posts insure that that my
>>> children will be very unlikely to succomb to the illness of xtianity
lw> Don't put that on me.. It is you that the Bible
lw> says who is sacrificing your children to demons.
FR> Which is why the Christian death cult has the bloody history it does.
lw> No doubt.. That bloody history stems from the same
lw> hate and anger you show toward those you accuse.
Interesting. Those who point at Christanic death cultism and denounce it
are themselves some how equal, huh? And do you also call four billion people
who denounced the extermination of Jews by the Christian Adolf Hitler bigots,
pig?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:55:07
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DH>> There is no "evidence" that God did or did not create the world.
FR> Look, Ken. A fellow death cultist at least
FR> has the _honesty_ to admit it.
FR> Why don't you?
km> I've already told you that you will not find the
km> kind of evidence that you are looking for Fred.
Ergo you admit that your deity constructs don't exist, right?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Christians Corner
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:56:07
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> Well people, it has been fun here. Due to personal & financial
> problems, the latest day the BBS will be up is the 17th of January. To
> those who "tolerated" me, thanks. Those who didn't... It was fun
> dragging you in your own circle.
But you're not a real Christian. You're some kind of pervert who pretend
he's a Christian -- if the sex forums on your BBS are any indication.
Let's not pretend to be a death cultist when there are so many already,
okay?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Claims of "Satanists" murdering people
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:57:11
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FR> WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THESE SATANISTS? By not presenting any facts
cm> I'm not. :)
Sure you are, Christian. You claimed you knew of Satanists killing people
and yet you refused to give me any information or even tell me what the
police said when you filed your report.
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|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: "Satanists" out killing
|Date: 14 Jan 96 18:58:41
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fR> Now, if you would actually present some evidence for your claims and
FR> let me critically and thoughtfully review it, then we might start to
FR> work on your problem. Until then, however, you can't be helped.
cm> Look at all that anger and frustration... You're going to
cm> have a heart attack one day. Patience, Freddy, Patience.
Typical death cultist bluster and squid ink.
If you have evidence for these murders, either present it here else tell
me what the cops said when you filed your report.
DO IT NOW! Otherwise I'm going to dial-up the cops in your area and tell
them that you admitted to having knowledge of murders yet refuse to report
it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: A fake Christian
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:00:11
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FR> down cold, though. You forgot to clean-up your BBS in the event one
FR> of the better educated in this forum simply dialed it up and checked
FR> you out.
cm> Yeah, I was/am terrified. If I was really THAT worried about it,
cm> don't you think I wouldn't have put that option on my menu? Duh...
It shows that you're just another Jimmy Swaggart and Jimmy Bakkker.
I'm still waiting for your evidence, by the way. The cops in your area
are just a phone call away.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:03:11
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FR> How about sticking to the subject, "Chris?"
cm> The question mark should be put after the the last quotation mark, Fred.
That's another mistake on your part, idiot. Open a book, you clown, and
take a look.
cm> (Just trying to help you not show as much ignorance.)
And by trying to do so, you end up looking like a Christian.
FR> Why are you trying to blame innocent children for their own deaths?
cm> Stop twisting my words.
Your own claims debunk you. You still haven't presented any evidence for
these murders you claim to know something about. Either you lied else you
are protecting people who you like.
Well? What's it gonna be? A call to the cops in your area or an admission
that you lied?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Miller fucks up
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:04:10
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Christian Miller:
FR> How about sticking to the subject, "Chris?"
cm> The question mark should be put after the the last quotation mark, Fred.
cm> (Just trying to help you not show as much ignorance.)
I love it when a fundy takes his foot out of his ass and stuffs it into
his mouth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Willing Sacrifices
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:05:47
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FR> Perhaps you don't know what we do here in HoltSmoke.
FR> You came in here thinking that this was a Christian forum and,
cm> There you are wrong. I lurked for quite a while before posting.
Then you're even less intelligent than you appear to be. Here you thought
everyone here was a fundy and you pretended to be one as well. Now that
your mistake has been exposed, you have thrown away the option of participating
as a normal person.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: "Satanists" killing people
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:07:08
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FR> By the way: I'm still waiting for that evidence.
cm> And you will continue to do so.
Either you lied else you are protecting murderers, Chris. The first option
merely offers evidence that you're a Christian. The second option also
offers the same.
Which for you?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Lack of reason
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:07:50
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FR> By the way: Are you finally admitting that there is no evidence
FR> for the existance of your pretend deity constructs?
cm> Did I _ever_ say that there actually was?!?!??
We've learned together that you're not a real Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Fucking gun nuts!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:18:52
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rj> But if you put Konehead next to Russ Wuertz, the former
rj> looks stable, only by virtue of his palaver sounding like
FR> Where _is_ that ole' Cornflake, anyway?
rj> Last I saw him, he was on CONSPIRACY.
Good place for him. }:-}
FR> ~*~ IT IS RELIGIONS THAT INSTILL A MORAL VALUE INTO THE HEARTS OF
FR> PEOPLE TO CONTROL THEIR HATREDS AND TO CONVERT THOSE FEELINGS INTO
FR> MORAL VALUES OF LOVE AND COMPASSION AND CHARITY: - David Stoddard
FR> Yep. By killing innocent people with the wrong skin color, the wrong
FR> sexual preference, the wrong sex, the wrong beliefs.
rj> What was it with that guy? Did he use all caps because he
rj> was too ignorant to write like a normal person, or was he
rj> just always shouting?
This Stoddard clown was in A_Theist when he went into meltdown. He took
exception to something I said for some unknown reason. He wasn't
the first notch I carved in my keyboard but he was among the first.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Church of Elvis
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:21:07
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rj> I'd rather have a free mind than be saved.
FR> Hey, that's good. It's a truism. I'll put it into the
FR> HolySmoke Central Committee's quotes archives.
rj> 'Bout bloody time.
}:-} The Central Committee is plotting great things.
FR> ~*~ The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is
FR> laid out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years
FR> old. - Doug Lee
rj> That's hilarious. I'm sure he'll have lots and lots of kids
rj> who we'll have to clean up after, from the social mess they leave.
That's a common theme, isn't it? Their "Jesus" will return before it's
going to be a problem so go ahead and breed and rape the land. Mormons
believe they're the "last generation" -- for the past six generations.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Technology is evil! EVIL!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 19:37:37
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jcJ> Christmas story itself? It still offends me to see nonbelievers
JcJ> embrace these celebrations, which have their root in our faith,
jcj> while denouncing the faith itself.
rj> I can't tell you how much it truly offends me to see fundies
rj> using computers, electricity, running water, and medicine, while
rj> denouncing everything science provides for them.
FR> Good point. Well over two years ago, he was ranting about the evils
FR> of technology and he even stated that tin cans and can openers was
FR> probably a bad idea -- to paraphrase but that's an accurate summation.
rj> It's a good thing folks like Staalin and him are being archived.
rj> I see the former is backpedaling on his comments to and about Gwenny.
Rest assured that from this day onward, no fundy will ever be able to deny
his own words ever again. I'm making it a prime directive of the HolySmoke
Central Committee to archive each and every byte from now on. I'm going
to take this job seriously.
rj> Grow up, little boy.
FR> Yeah. Steve and I are gonna get that clown suit off of him some day.
rj> It seems y'all are gonna have to. He won't answer _my_
rj> questions or comments unless I get rude with him. I think
rj> I'm beginning to see your point about why he's more afraid
rj> of Steve than you. ;->
}:-}
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|From: John Prewett
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 12 Jan 96 07:21:31
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=> Quoting John Prewett to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
JP> But when you call the pope a "Christian", and indicate you respect the
JP> pope/papal office, while you express contempt for bible based
JP> Christians, THEN YOU ARE DEFACTO SUPPORTING THE POPE/PAPAL OFFICE
JP> WHICH IS THE EPITOME OF THE WORST IN RELIGION YOU CLAIM TO OPPOSE.
DH> Your diatribe is the epitome of the worst in Christianity.
JP> Opinion noted.
FR> The truth ignored.
I know you haven't got enough concern for truth to bother
to read and rationally evaluate the following information,
but maybe some lurker does.
From- The Inquisition - Hammer of Heresy
By- Edward Burman cpyrt. 1984
Pub. by Dorset Press, a division of Marboro Books Corp.,
by arrangement with Harper Collins Publishers, UK. 1992 Dorset Press ISBN:
0-88029-909-6 Sold by Barnes and Nobel
Foundation pages 41-42
Peter's death on 6 April seems to have provoked an immediate and violent
reaction on the part of Innocent IV, who announced perhaps the most terrible
of all Bulls in the history of the Inquisition on 15 May 1252, ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ
.
ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ
Innocent IV, like his predecessors in the great line of lawyer-popes, Innocent
III and Gregory IX, was a master of canon law, and even wrote
a famous commentary on it. His pontificate was dominated by the final
stage of the long struggle for power between Frederick II and the papacy.
After Frederick's death in 1250, the political situation in Italy changed
dramatically and a rapid succession of Bulls to the Dominican provincials
gave fresh momentum to the Inquisition. It was also at this point that
the Franciscans became involved as inquisitors on a large scale. This
frenetic activity of Innocent IV culminated with the Bull ÔAd ExtirpandaÕ,
'to extirpate', which 'sought to render the civil power completely subservient
to the Inquisition, and prescribed the extirpation of heresy as the chief
duty of the state'.
'Ad Extirpanda' effectively established a police state in Italy and is
noteworthy for having introduced the use of torture into inquisitorial
procedure, and for explicitly condoning burning alive at the stake for
relapsed heretics. Resistance amongst secular lords was overcome by
a brilliant diplomatic manoeuvre: Innocent incorporated the Sicilian
Constitutions of 1239 into a subsidiary Bull, ÔCum adversus haereticamÕ,
thus turning Frederick IIÕs legislation against the heretics and Ghibellines
that the Emperor had previously protected.
This terrible weapon provided for:
I. torture as a means of obtaining confessions;
2. the death penalty at the stake;
3. a police force at the service of the Office of the Faith
[that is, the Inquisition];
4. the preaching of a crusade against heretics in Italy with the same
indulgences and privileges as in a crusade to the Holy Land;*
5. the extension of the principle of confiscation to the heirs of heretics.
Later Bulls served to refine this legislation, and it is interesting to
see amendments being made constantly in response to specific demands or
problems that arose in the work of inquisitors: personal letters written
by the Pope carry the force of Bulls. But Innocent IV had, with this
single stroke, instituted a system of repression that was then honed by
Alexander IV (1254-1261), Urban IV (1261-1265), and Clement IV (1265-1268),
himself an ex-inquisitor, and finally codified by Boniface VIII in the
ÔLiber SextusÕ of 1298. The provisions of the Bull were accorded theological
respectability by St Thomas Aquinas in his ÔSumma TheologicaÕ.
Super Extirpatione (30 March 1254)
In 1246 Innocent IV had officially called upon the Franciscans to join
the Dominicans in the work of the Inquisition. As individuals, they
had been closely involved from the beginning; we have already met Gerhard,
follower of Conrad of Marburg, and it seems that Blessed Pietro d'Arcagnano
was an inquisitor in Milan as early as 1234. But, perhaps pressed by necessity
and seeking fresh impetus in the Inquisition, Innocent IV divided Italy
into two inquisitorial provinces with the Bull ÔSuper ExtirpationeÕ:
the Franciscans were to have central and north-east Italy (mainly Tuscany,
Umbria and the Veneto), while the Dominicans presided over the remainder
of the country.
(Footnote)
*For example, in April 1253 Innocent ordered the Dominicans of the Roman
province to preach a crusade against the heretics of Lombardy and Tuscany.
Padua was sacked by these ÔcrusadersÕ [cf. Lea ÔInquisition in the Middle
Ages, vol. ii, pp. 226-7].
Church law was contained in five books of bulls and decrees edited by Raymond
of Penafort in 1234. Book V was called ÔDe HaereticusÕ, and contained
the principle constitutions of the Inquisitions.
All the later bulls, including those of Innocent IV, were added
by Boniface VIII in 1298. Hence its title, the Ôsixth bookÕ. -END
QUOTE-
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|From: John Prewett
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Fundamentalist Are In
|Date: 12 Jan 96 20:29:45
EID:605b 202ca3a0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1C7539
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
DH> ::To: Dick Holm From: John Prewett Subj: Fundamentalist Are In
DH> |--Boring typical Prewettisms deleted--|
JP> My brothers and sisters don't have a "holy father" in Rome. WBW, John
DH> ROTFLMAO! Your brothers and sisters probably have no more idea who
DH> their father is than do you. [Damn, that was almost too easy].
No doubt it IS easy for you to write silly lies.
WBW, John
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHY GOD? 1/2
|Date: 13 Jan 96 12:58:51
EID:78ee 202d6740
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D5D0B
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
1/2
AS> Telling the faults of some of His followers
AS> is not slandering Christ, John.
Wonderful that you feel this way !
AS> Torquemada was the Chief Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition.
AS> An avowed Christian, ...........
JP> Torquemada was a pope follower. Not a Christ follower.
AS> Um. And the Sanhedrin were Caiphas followers and not Moses followers?
As a matter of scriptural fact-
"for IF you believed Moses,
[THEN] you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me." John 5:46
The Sanhedrin that condemned Jesus
WERE more "Caiphas followers"
than they were "Moses followers."
AS> It's interesting to deny, and I truly think
AS> Jesus would deny Torquemada like a SHOT.
Are you sure ? Now don't go too far out on a limb.
Sure you aren't being a judgmental, mean spirited bigot ?
Maybe you HATE Spanish Roman Catholics ?
Mighty mean of you to express such condeming thoughts
toward this much maligned servant of the pope's "CHURCH."
AS> But I cannot say he was not trying to follow the
AS> teachings of Christ, as he [mis]understood them.
Maybe Satan is just a misunderstood person
who really has our best interest at heart.
JP> To Christ followers the difference is significant..
AS> Which besides you, consists of...who?
Jesus hasn't made me privy to that information.
Among your fellow members of organized religion,
do you have a list of those who in fact are guided by Christ ?
JP> To heathens the difference is denied.
AS> Oh, many unbelievers see the difference
AS> between Torquamada and Mother Teresa.
Yet in a profound way, Torquamada and Mother Teresa
are THE SAME. Though in different ways, they both serve[d]
to bolster the prestige and power of their
[according to RC doctrine] lord the pope.
Torquamada and Mother Teresa are THE SAME in that their
[according to RC doctrine] supreme guidance came/comes
from the papacy/magisterium.
Who one heeds will determine where one spends eternity.
JP> To man-pleasing, liberal, borderline apostate
JP> protestants, the difference is ignored.
AS> Golly. WhoEVER could you mean?
Most modern "christians" of organized religion.
AS> But you ignored the important point: to CHRIST,
AS> the difference is eternal. And HE will judge, not us.
AS> WE are specifically told NOT to judge until the time.
Fine.
AS> Yes, quite frankly, I think He will say to Torquemada,
AS> "depart ye accursed, I knew ye not."
Careful now, we wouldn't want to be too JUDGEmental !
AS> I think He might say it to a lot of people that might suprise us.
AS> And there is a possibility He may say it to me.
AS> And, whether you believe it or not, with your hatred for others, .....
Your JUDGEMENT of me is noted.
What is one who does what he claims others should not do ? 1/2
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHY GOD? 2/2
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:02:34
EID:781e 202d6840
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D5DEA
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
2/2
AS> .....there is a possibility of that happening with YOU, too.
Your above is just a long-winded way of revealing
you don't have a clue as to how Jesus sees things.
Listen up- this is simple-
I'm betting on the proposition that Jesus wants people to KNOW
that Jesus was not guiding those who created and conducted
the Inquisition, and that the Revelation of Jesus reveals the way
Jesus sees the religious institution that DID create and conduct
the Inqusitions.
The label "Christian" INSINATES someone or something led by CHRIST.
I betting that CHRIST resents it being even INSINUATED
that mass murderers rate being labeled "CHRISTians."
People who say Roman Catholics are Christians are telling
the world that pope-led mass killers were "Christians".
[IOW- "Christian" no matter what they did,
and no matter who they heeded]
Actually, people who say "Trinitarians" are Christians,
are telling the world that carnal killers are Christians,
because-
Every chaplain and most soldiers of every army in every war
[on all sides] involving "Christedom" for the last nearly 1700
years has been a "Trinitarian" "Christian."
MAN PLEASING "christian" PUKES ignore these facts.
[while they cheerfully denigrate "fundies"]
AS> burned. Vlad Tepes--you know him perhaps better as Dracula, a very
AS> real historical person, prince of Transylvania, who put thousands to
AS> death by impaling them on stakes. He fought against Muslim "infidels",
AS> even nailing the turbans of Turks to their heads. He was a sadistic
AS> bloodthirsty monster. He too was an avowed Christian.
JP> Which cult ? Roman Catholic ? Or "Orthodox" ?
AS> To the victims, it matters very little, John.
Regarding your claim he was an "avowed Christian" it is relevant.
AS> Am I going to
AS> say that God looks more with favor on them because they professed
AS> Christianity than Dr. Leipzig, who helped some total strangers rebuild
AS> a church? "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
AS> prophesized in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in
AS> thy name done many wonders? And then will I profess untothem, I never
AS> knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity." [Matt 7:22.]
JP> What might He think of people who causually slander Christ
AS> Telling the faults of some of His followers is not slandering Christ,
John.
Unless it is a "fundy" type doing the fault finding, I presume.
When a "fundy" type does it, then it is "hateful."
The issue I raise has to the correctness of claiming or insinuating
that mass murderers should be called "His followers."
["CHRISTians" are presumed to be "His followers"]
AS> He obviously had great respect for Moses, but little for the
AS> Pharisees and Sadduccees He criticized, though they thought
AS> themselves to be followers of Moses and descendents of Abraham.
"For IF you believed Moses,
you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me." John 5:46
AS> I would hate to justify HATE in Christ's name, though.
JP> ........ by insinuating mass murderers are guided by Christ ?
AS> By no means.
JP> [which is what one does when one speaks of mass murdering
JP> "Christians"]
AS> By no means, John. Your definition of Christian, if it means one who
AS> is guided in Christ in all things, is very different than mine.
Do you agree with the principle that "Christ-led"
is DIFFERENT FROM "Clergy-led" ?
AS> "Judge NOTHING before the time" Jim.
JP> Rev. 2:2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that
JP> you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the test those who call
JP> themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
AS> Sure. I even know someone who claims to be an apostle. To have seen
AS> Jesus. And I similarly judge him false, on the evidence. But since one
AS> who is an apostle is one who has seen the risen Christ, it hardly
AS> seems germane here...
It's germane to the appropriateness of JUDGING
[evaluating, if you will] ANYONE who claims spiritual authority.
[the alternative is becoming among the "blind following the blind"]
WBW, John 2/2
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|From: John Prewett
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:22:21
EID:4c2e 202d6ac0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D628D
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
As> [A- Quoting John Prewett to Asmodeus - #5 Yes, that does figure if
As> you think about it. Where is the proof of a 'heaven'? I see none.
J> Get back to me when you WANT to see a bit of "evidence." WBW, John
As> Ok, I WANT to see this evidence. I am extremely open to new ideas and
As> wish to see. If it is extraordinary evidence, with no room for error,
As> I'll become a firm believer as it will simply be a matter of fact, and
As> I only seek facts. Not a believer of any of the white-lighter
As> religions that exist now. I'll have the knowledge of the existence
of
As> a Creator within my mind, but doubt very much if I will worship or
As> hold it in awe, but you can give it your best shot.
Predictive power is a "scientifically" recognized type of "evidence."
The Biblical equivalent is prophecy and fulfillment.
The following, with one stroke, elegantly
BOTH-
constitutes evidence of the truth of Jesus Christ,
AND
reveals what God and Jesus think of what
you call the "white lighter religions."
The following is a correlation of some of the Revelations descriptions,
and the unique fulfillment found in known facts re- the Vatican.
From chapters 17 & 18- ['IFO" = "In Fulfillment Of']
17:2 '.....with whom the kings of the earth committed immorality..'. IFO
17:2 - The immoral ties of the Vatican with earthly rulers
are presently and historically verifiable.
17:4 '.....and the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet...'. IFO 17:4
- Find a picture of the Cardinals in full costume.
17:5 '.....Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots....'. IFO 17:5 - The
Vatican calls herself the 'mother church'
because the denominations came out of her.
The denominations share her perversion.
17:6 '.....drunk with the blood of saints...'.
IFO 17:6 - Study the inquisitions. A policy of murder & torture
of real people, carried out openly over centuries.
Inspired and directed by men who claim to be the
unique and direct representatives of Jesus Christ.
17:9 '.....seven hills on which the woman sits....'. IFO 17:9 - Rome is
famous for its seven hills.
17:15 '.....The waters which you saw where the woman sits,
are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues....'. IFO 17:15 - The
worldwide influence of the Vatican is obvious.
17:18 '.....and the woman you saw is the great city which
reigns over the kings of the earth...'. IFO 17:18 - The popes long ruled
openly over the kings of the known world.
Every king knew that if he bucked the papacy, then the pope
would - could - did encourage the citizens to revolt.
This principle is still in practice today.
18:4 '.....voice from heaven saying: Come out of her MY people...'. IFO
18:4 - Some R.C.'s belong to Jesus and will come out.
[they will also come out of the denominations]
This is happening now, and has happened before.
18:12-19 ..... describes the great wealth of the great whore. IFO 18:12-19-
Vatican's financial assets [open & hidden] are enormous.
The Revelation says there is a great whore in the city of 7 hills.
Lo and behold- there is. Most commentators place the writing
of the Revelation at around 90AD, well before the Vatican existed.
This visible and verifiable fulfillment is God-given
evidence confirming the truth of Jesus Christ.
Discussion most welcome. With best wishes, John
[depending on your reaction to the above,
we may or may not next venture into prophecy
that I expect to see fulfilled in the near future]
WBW, John
--------- ' Come out of her MY people....' [fm Rev.18] ----------
Call on Jesus and heed His Revelation!
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 14:38:30
EID:552c 202d74c0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD1D7466
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
AS> Or I could come in dressed as a Roman Catholic Priest and see
AS> who would try to kill me, and I'd know he was John Prewitt.
JP> Your dishonest slander is noted.
DC> After all, Al, it's the Pope that Prewitt's out to get!
DC> Shame on you for getting his target wrong....
AS> You're right. WhatEVER was I thinking of?
I have not threatened to kill anyone.
Sad to see "christians" share a lie with a heathen.
You do call yourself a "christian", don't you ?
WBW, John
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: BUS CRASH
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:58:40
EID:0d60 202d6f40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607c5269
JH>> Fergivness?
JH>> Did you learn to spell by watching "Hee Haw"?
DH> What have you got against Hee Haw?
It leads to harder drugs.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:30:47
EID:3cc6 202d9bc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f66f5
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWO of my Satanic Curse.
Nothing has happened.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:38:52
EID:1c4e 202d9cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f7797
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30f71381
LB> Should I add a Marilyn Monroe look to the nun outfit?
Ah... reminds me of a tasteless cartoon (the best kind)
I saw recently.
Two "flashers" are hiding in an alley. One is dressed as
Jesus Christ. Around the corner an unsuspecting nun is
walking down the street.
The flasher dressed as Christ is speaking: "Want to see
someone shit a brick? Watch this..."
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:45:52
EID:4b91 202d9da0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607f9bc9
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30f7137e
JH>> He had explicit orders to not enter Mexican waters. He not only
JH>> entered them, but (for reasons known only to him) he shelled an
JH>> uninhabited island. The Mexican government was less than amused
JH>> and that was the end of Hubbard's military career.
JH>> I'd LOVE to know if there is any truth to that story.
LB> Doesn't help confirm the story itself, but I checked with
LB> George, and we WERE using subs during WWI. [...]
LB> The rest of your story sounds crazy enough to be Hubbard.
That's what concerns me. The man hasn't even been dead for twenty
years and already there is a massive body of both pro- and con-
Hubbard myths.
For instance, none of the supposed witnesses or parties to the
Hubbard-Hienlien bet never made any statements indicating that
such a bet had been made. Nor are there any first hand witnesses
to the alleged "The way to make money is to start your own
religion." quote, even though it was supposedly made before a
large audience. Yet both anecdotes are taken by most at face value.
Whether he ends up on the good or the bad side of the pantheon
of the future is yet to be decided, but the man is well on
his way to becomeing legend.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: CompuCrust
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:02:58
EID:df8b 202da040
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 607fbd43
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 0f46f710
TL>> I am not supposed to take a stick or sword and convert
TL>> people. As long as you don't try to shut me up
SR> Sheesh! An actual Terry Parker posting that didn't bore us
SR> all to death with the usual crap about Waco injustice.
SR> Something must be wrong in fundyville.
Really... I've been seeing those robo-posts for something like
two years now and I had no idea he(?) was an Xian.
I've especially enjoyed the rants about Janet Reno. Those folks seem
to forget that Reno was Clinton's THIRD choice Attorney General (the
first being rejected for employing an illegal alien as a housekeeper
and the second not wanting the job).
So in one short month she went from being a relatively unknown city
official from Jessejonesograd to being one of the masterminds of the
New World Order planetary conspiracy. It must involve one hell of a
training course.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 14 Jan 96 00:16:28
EID:ae87 202e0200
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6081ff5b
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 039332db
>> JH> You mentioned you were practicing aromatherapy.
>> JH> I was just run over by a truck.
>> JH> What should I snif?
>> Burnt rubber and exhaust fumes....
SM> No, no, no!!
SM> That's what J.J WOULD snif(f)!!
SM> J.J. used the term "SHOULD" in the question being quoted!!
Maybe they're practicing homeopathic aromatherapy.
(Damned glad I didn't say I had diarrhea.)
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: It only hurts when I Spong.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 00:47:22
EID:590c 202e05e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60826fe4
JH>> Cultures blend. Always have, always will, the prohibitions
JH>> of "holy laws" notwithstanding.
AS> The Jews, for thousands of years, and a variety of
AS> circumstances, have stayed true to their concept of God, despite
AS> pogroms and Holocausts and Inquisitions. The one thing they would
AS> be LEAST likely to assimilate is in the matter of religion.
But we know of at least one very obvious example of a fusion
between the tribal ethno-centric religion of the Jews and the
more cosmopolitan world outlook of the Greeks and Romans.
It's called Christianity.
And in modern times we have the observance of Hanukkah. The
history of it's observance as a major holiday happens to coincide
with the time when Dickens and the retailers made Christmas
into a Mighty Big Deal. Also, you will find it being either a
minor observance or not observed at all in those parts of
the world where the Eastern Orthodox callendar is used and
Christmas is celebrated somewhat later in the year.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Married, will Spong
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:07:44
EID:8f78 202e08e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60829079
JH>> Cultures blend. Always have, always will, the prohibitions
JH>> of "holy laws" notwithstanding.
AS> But...although it is a good generalization, JJ, sometimes
AS> it falls flat on specific instances. For instance, American
AS> settlers adapted very little from Indian religion.
Only because there was little or no cultural interaction between
the two. Assimilation is a gradual process that takes generations.
The campaign of genocide waged against the natives didn't allow
enough time.
In areas where there was enough time (the Southwest) we do see signs
of such melding. However, the examples are largely limited to
Antichrist Roamin' Catholicism, which we all know isn't God's
favorite brand of Christianity.
However, I will grant you that assimilation does require a certain
degree of cultural flexibility, an ability to adapt to new
situations. The tribal cultures of the Indians of the southwest are
rigidly traditionalistic, and as such are doomed to inevitable
extinction. Judaism, thanks in part to the Babylonian captivity,
is a little more adaptive. Yet you will notice that while it does
survive, only very rarely (and under special circumstances) has it
ever really thrived.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: FUN WITH YOUR NEW SPONG
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:23:30
EID:4cf2 202e0ae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60829e35
JH>> Oddly enough, I used to enjoy such services. I've always
JH>> enjoyed sermons, especially bad ones. And I've heard my
JH>> share of some of the worst. Also, when they took requests
JH>> for which hymn to sing
AS> Evern read the P.G. Wodehouse story, "The Great Sermon
AS> Handicap" where they bet on ministers to see who could do
AS> the most interminably long and boring sermon?
They're only boring if you approach them as "teaching".
I view them as entertainment.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Bang a Spong! Get on!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:29:22
EID:9de7 202e0ba0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082ccfb
JH>> There were other hymns that were frequently requested for
JH>> similar motives (it was a way of "getting back" at the folks on
JH>> the platform), but the Battle Hymn was by far the most
JH>> requested.
AS> Heh! That's funny. We just give 'em a hot meal and put 'em
AS> up for the night, let them have showers and watch TV.
My very first exposure to The 700 Club was in a small mission in the
apple growing region of Virginia (might have been Winchester, but
all my memories of those years tend to blur together). The ONLY
program allowed on the TV was 'The 700 Club'. I recall watching
about 15 minutes of it with an overpowering sense of "What is this
shit?".
Luckily (?) that was the night when they packed everyone into a van
and drove them over to be displayed at a "meeting" in a local school
auditorium. The mission stiffs got up and "testified", everyone
stood up and sat down several times and sang songs.
After that ordeal, we were packed back into the van and had the
option of watching more of The 700 Club. I went to bed early.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Let Jesus out of his case.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 01:49:12
EID:f1b9 202e0e20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082e3a8
AS> Oh, that's not as inexplicable as it seems. No material
AS> object can go faster than the speed of light, but there's
AS> nothing that says space ITSELF cannot expand faster than
AS> light speed.
Relative to what? How could it be measured without having
massive objects appear to be moving faster than light?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Bethann
|Sub: Tolerance
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:04:50
EID:5cea 202e1080
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6082fe14
REPLY: 1:324/127 568ba8d4
B> everyone's mother's maiden name.
B> If you want to know what your mother's maiden name is, ask
B> her! If you want me to read for you, make arrangements to
B> come over and I'll pull out my cards.
You can't "read" at a distance?
Why not?
Is it because your "reading" depends on visual cues from your
victim to tell you if you are guessing correctly?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Glenda's departure
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:13:00
EID:3bd9 202e11a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60831476
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f2a760
RJ> I think the Blue Council definitely needs to have a class
RJ> reunion sometime in 1997.
I agree. IF it is still around in 1997.
Don't forget that the last "moderator-in-name-only" (Konehaid)
damned near got the thing removed from the backbone.
Right now it's faultering. It seems that a lot (but sadly not all)
of the Internet crossposts disappeared after Glenda took her most
recent powder. Traffic right now is WAY down, but I'm sure Glenda
(just like Fu Manchu) will return in rather short order.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 14 Jan 96 02:59:01
EID:6316 202e1760
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6083789c
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 30f77761
JH>> I for one wouldn't give mathematics even half a thought if
JH>> I had to do the arithmetic myself.
PS> How many high school students these days know what
PS> a quadratic equation is, let alone how to work one?
How many high school students these days know what a shovel is,
let alone how to work one.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 14 Jan 96 03:05:58
EID:f5a2 202e18a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60838f54
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 30f77764
JH>> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard
JH>> recently claimed that he was in command of a submarine in
JH>> WWI (did we even have subs
PS> I heard that he was aboard a destroyer during WWII.
That concurs with the biographical notes about him in the
back of Dianetics. For some reason I thought Hubbub was older
than that. I thought Crowley had made a few references to him
(Maybe Luke Clark has these handy), which would tend to make
him older than the average WWII soldier's age of 25.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan A. Post
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 14 Jan 96 04:46:56
EID:9619 202e25c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084751b
REPLY: 1:245/100 04126ff5
DAP> Nowhere does Christianity substantiate cannibalism.
DAP> Nowhere.
JOHN 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if
any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread
that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of
the world.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
MARK 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed,
and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is
my body.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
MATTHEW 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and
blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples,
and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:04:14
EID:2a22 202e2880
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084a095
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30f17759
DR>> AL SCHROEDER 5778 Needs a daytime job other than HS
DR>> Dan Ceppa 5307 Could have tried harder.
DR>> Michael Hardy 4518 Hardly!
DR>> Fredric Rice 3246 Better educated than Jesse Christ
DR>> Jones J.J. Hitt 3149
DR>> David Worrell 3092
DW> Gee, David, why don't I get anything?
Frankly, I'm relieved that I didn't get a descriptive comment.
It's bad enough being a member of The 3000 Club.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:19:11
EID:a042 202e2a60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084c371
A> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU WRITE
A> OFF-TOPIC AGAIN.
Promise?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:23:58
EID:e1d0 202e2ae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084ce24
JB> Most blood banks would kill to get my blood. I'm B-.
JB> Unfortunately I have such a high Rh titer that it could
JB> be deadly to give it to anyone who doesn't already have
JB> the same problem or, in the case of a female, is
JB> totally sterile.
Would your blood be any less dangerous if you had low-slung
titers?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-nightie religion
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:28:21
EID:3ddd 202e2b80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6084f600
As> My name alone should tell you of my devilish
As> background.
L> Then you don't know shit about Demonology.
A> I know enough to have chosen a name which suits me, except
A> for Asmodeus was Hebrew, and I was Christian. It matters
A> naught, for now we both stand for the same thing.
You obviously don't know shit about linguistics either.
(We're begining to see a pattern here. Can you spot it?)
The "-deus" sufix of your name is clearly Greek.
ooOOoo
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Re: Zilliness Squared!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 08:51:31
EID:81ff 30f675aa
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f675aa
> READ very
> much of this forum. It is a shooting gallery. The fundies
> are the
> little tin ducks here.
...and isn't it nice that they all align themselves in neat little
rows????
bangbang
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: DIPSTICK SEES UFO...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 08:53:58
EID:81ff 30f67640
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f67640
> JB>>> Next time, just ask 'mr. english major' to give you
> the
> JB>>> plural of opus.
> MG>> Little known fact...."Opera"
> RJ> You mean, it's not..."Opie"?
>
> More than one? Andy's gonna be very confused.
To confuse things even more, the *alternate* plural of opus is also:
Opuses
:)
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J. J. Hitt
|Sub: We're having a FIESTA!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 14:28:31
EID:8218 202d7380
J.j. Hitt, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty Leipzig:
ML> I always snicker at the "Sacred Heart of Jesus" citronella
ML> and bug-zapper candles on sale at the local Fiesta mart.
JH> If we ever have a HolySmoke get-together in Texas, it will
JH> have to include a trip to a Fiesta.
I get dibs on the Tilapia (I used to buy 'em there live for my
aquarium...)
JH> No one is going to believe we have Jesus-in-a-spray-can unless
JH> they see it for themselves.
JH> But, I have a fixation about Fiesta ("ethnic" grocery stores,
JH> for the benefit of those unfamiliar with them). I can spend the
JH> better part of an entire day in the one on Hilcroft. It's like
JH> combining a flea market with a trip to the circus.
They're wonderful. I love losing a day in a Fiesta (the one on
Hwy. 6 and Bissonnet is a hoot...great place for badly acted,
badly shot, badly dubbed Indian movies...). I, also being a
gourmand, just enjoy the hell out of finding something
comestiblely new at these stores. The aforementioned store is
in the newly populated Asian west section of town...what a
melange of weirdities can be found in that place.
Over in my neck of the woods (San Antonio East...ack...Katy),
there's a new "African Hair Goods and Food Store". If you need
ghoeuzhaco or "rift flattener", this is the place to go.
... Just exactly how much 'Whiz' is in Cheese Whiz?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J. J. Hitt
|Sub: It's Tacky Time!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:41:13
EID:0f34 202d9520
J.j. Hitt, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty Leipzig:
JB>> And next to that, the 'Tacky Town' souvenir shop. Yep,
JB>> we'd clean up.
ML> I thought that little "Tacky Townlet" kiosks scattered
ML> around might give you a better market share.
JH> Shit!
JH> Next thing ya know, ya'll will come up with door-to-door
JH> Tacky Ladies.
Goat! What a concept!
We could hold "Tacky Parties" in people's homes, sell "Tacky
Girl" cookies and give those who sell greater than $500,000.00
worth of tack per year a Pepto-Bismol pink Yugo.
The possibilities are endless!
... Don't look behind you, they're catching up with you. RUN FASTER!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: Perhaps here's the reason.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 14:29:29
EID:a65f 202d73a0
Annette Spence, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Christian
Miller:
CM> CM> How can one who is 100% good, do evil?
DW> His is all-powerful, right? If so, he can do evil whenever he wants
DW> to. If he cannot do evil, he is not all-powerful and you've been
DW> worshipping the wrong guy. Which is it?
CM>
CM> Again, how can one who is 100% good, do evil?
AS> hello...my name is annette...I am a christian from arizona....just
AS> following your posts...you seem to handle yourself pretty well....
AS> to my main point...I was always taught that God could not even look
AS> upon the face of sin...and I *DO* believe he is all powerful....how
do
AS> you b'lieve it is possible that he can do anything and yet cannot look
AS> evil in the face?
AS>
AS> and this is one I really do struggle with.
Well, it just might have something to do with the fact that God
doesn't exist.
... And thus God smote America with a plague of fundies.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Idiots fucking up the local real estate.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:16:55
EID:2e97 202da200
J.J. Hitt, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to David Worrell:
DW> I had another friend who once went on a crystal hunting
DW> expedition in Arkansas. He'd had it planned for months,
DW> and that's all he ever talked about. When he returned, he
DW> sat us down and told us all the details. "We get off the
DW> bus, put away our stuff, and head out for the crystal
DW> field. Upon our arrival, we pay this guy ten bucks and he
DW> hands us a bucket of dirt to sift through for crystals. I
DW> found..." "Hold on there... are you telling me you paid
DW> *ten dollars* for a bucket of *dirt*?????"
JH> I notice he didn't even get to fill the bucket of dirt himself.
JH> Which is to say that he paid ten dollars for a bucket of dirt
JH> into which some crystals had been carefully planted. Not totally
JH> unlike an Easter Egg hunt where even the youngest and slowest
JH> children get to find at least one egg.
JH> You could probably have some fun with the "opperator" of this
JH> scam by NOT finding any crystals (throw them in the bushes as
JH> you dig them out). Of course, he'd come by to "help" with a
JH> few crystals up his sleave...
JH> Sort of like Three Card Monty... only with rocks.
If this is the place I'm thinking of (Murfreesboro, Ark., or
some sort of similar shit), this place absolutely FUCKING hates
geologists.
I was there a few years back (actually, I was with Cliff, etc.
from the "One, True Expert" trip) and we stopped in to waste a
few hours and toast a few errant brain cells. They tried to
steer us over to a recently tilled section of the diamond field.
Fuck that. We wanted to find the contact and follow it down to
the kimberlite pipe itself. Hey, we paid our fees and the sign
said "Dig where you want, within the confines of the park."
They really didn't take much notice of us until we started
dragging out Brunton Compasses, geodetic and geologic maps
of the area, picks, shovels and other forms of Gaia-raping
implements.
They positively panicked when we started digging in a
"pristine" area of the park. They claimed we violated some form
or another of local ordinance and tried to toss us out.
Operative word being "tried".
After an exceptional amount of verbal abuse, in both directions,
we threatened them with litigation a la Jesse. They backed down
and in a hushed tone said "Here. Take these and get the hell out
of here."
Now there's an easy way to get a pocketful of industrial
diamonds.
... I have hardly ever known a mathematician who was capable of reasoning.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: There's no scotch like no scotch.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:09:17
EID:7d8e 202da120
David Hilling, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty
Leipzig:
DH> ::To: Martin Goldberg From: Marty Leipzig Subj: a miracle in the
DH> making :: ----------------------@N
ML> Martin Goldberg, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said
to
ML> Marty Leipzig:
ML> Will miracles ever exist?
DH>
DH> Will Martin collier bluff?
MG> The fact that people actually drink Bourbon is evidence.
ML> Yep. Evidence of the miracle of folks with fine breeding and
ML> extraordinary good taste.
ML> Rather than the evidence of the rabble and hoipolloi who
ML> actually like scotch.
DH> Let us lift a glass to the memory of that upstanding Scotsman, Dr.
DH> James Crow.
DH> The Old Crow almanac records, "Jack London, world-traveler,
DH> adventurer, author, knew how to say hello in a dozen
DH> languages.
Zdrastvweechya. Allo. Hello. Howdy. So, shithook, how's it
goin'? Bueno. G'day, mate. Yo, mofo!...
Damn. Only eight...
DH> But there was one London greeting above all others
DH> that drew the heartiest of welcomes--the words `Old Crow!'"
DH> -Carl H. Giles _All About Booze_ (University Circle
DH> Press, 1966)
And a hale "Wild Turkey" to you!
... He's a medical musician. He play the colostomy bagpipes.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: A really stupid name.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:09:59
EID:7ae6 202da120
Asmodeus, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to David Worrell:
As> ** Quoting David Worrell to Asmodeus **
D> 09 Jan 96 00:41, Asmodeus wrote to Fredric Rice:
D>
D> A> My name alone should tell you of my devilish
D> A> background.
D>
D> Your pseudonym does tell us quite a lot about you, namely that you're
a
D> juvenile with delusions of grandeur. I don't think that is quite what
you
D> intended, though.
D>
As> Since when is being aware of your strengths and weaknesses, and what
As> you _truly_ stand for delusions of grandeur? As for what people
As> consider me, I care not. My pseudonym is merely a way for me to
As> express my beliefs, in a very simple, quick way, to those who
As> recognize its meaning. Besides, by posting as Thomas Jones I would
be
As> like everyone else, and I prefer to be unique.
Remember though, you ARE unique; just like everyone else.
... Accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior? That'd be really selfish!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: A Rimsky-Korsakov shot.
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:17:35
EID:83f8 202da220
David Hilling, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Marty
Leipzig:
CM> What do each of you believe in?
ML> Nothing. I prefer to think.
CM> I'd like to just keep a list here...
ML> Have at it, Franz.
DH> Perhaps a Chopin list?
ML> He had a nice one, but he Baroque it.
DH> Hey, fun is fun, but let's get Bach on topic.
ML> Holst on there, I can Handel it...
DH> Far be it from me to Brecht the thread Weil you're Haydn.
Keep this up and you'll get a Puccini in the nose.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Blow jobs to go! Fellate minions!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:14:40
EID:8591 202da1c0
Scot Bear, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to Rob Burcham:
> The enemy? Who's the enemy? Oh, I know; it's Satan's minions,
> right?
SB>
SB> They're female horses! Filly minions! :)
Flay them with no bones! Filet minions!
... So, when exactly did you make the free will decision to be heterosexual?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: ----
|Date: 13 Jan 96 08:11:00
EID:24ce 202d4160
AS> True, but if she's reminded enough, she might pick up on it.
AS> (Besides, she might take it better from me...she seems to be big on
AS> taking instruction from males...)
LB> ROTFL!! (watch it, Al -- you'll be accused of "sucking up to
LB> heathens" if your aren't careful!)
I think John has already done that, albeit in more fancy words. If so,
I'll be in GOOD company...
But really, Lynda, I'm trying to find a way to keep the lines of
dialogue open. A lot of religion conferences sooner or later erupt into
a
holy war between liberal and conservative Christians (or Trinitarian and
non-Trinitarian, infant baptism vs. adult baptism, that sort of endless
hair-splitting) and I'm trying to keep the dialogue open. Maria's stands
on a lot of things are certainly more conservative than mine, but there
is
probably no Christian here (yourself included) where we agree on every
point. Now, notice, I am NOT telling you to lay off Maria, any more than
when you and Micheal were having the differences, I interfered. A lot of
the stands (being submissive to your husband, for instance) are obviously
going to hit YOU a lot harder than it will me. Giving into your husband
got you raped and battered, and no matter how repugnant I find it (and I
do) it is at best only an abstraction to me. You LIVED it. In fact, I
think that is part of your antipathy to Maria...in some ways, she reminds
you of yourself or others that you have met years ago. I do NOT want you
to compromise your principles and be silent. And I will certainly speak
out to gross injustices on both sides, as I did to Jim putting quotes
around "christian" for you , or John Prewitt's rabid, bigoted
anti-Catholicism. But...
What attracts me to this conference is the dialogue (no matter the
language) between believers and nonbelievers. I have (to put it mildly)
a
large correspondence on this echo. So if I leave some of the dialogue
between Maria and yourself to just you two, don't take it as neglect.
Take it as lack of time.
... Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 13 Jan 96 08:24:00
EID:dce7 202d4300
MH> And then there is the possibly wiser approach adopted by Christians
MH> like Lynda Bustilloz and Jesse Jones -- knowing that you can't
MH> convince a committed skeptic no matter what, just don't bother to try.
MH> That really is true. The evidence for God is not so obvious or
MH> compelling as to prove the case. And knowing that any evidence that's
MH> not incontrovertible will be swiftly controverted, there's a certain
MH> intelligence in not even getting into the argument.
True. But then you miss all the FUN...
... Don't mind me; I'm the designated drunk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MARILYN BURGE
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 13 Jan 96 08:41:00
EID:345f 202d4520
MB> Oh. And the other thing is that god can only do the impossible if
MB> he can find a way to do it without leaving tracks.
Well...not exactly.
"In fact, strictly speaking, the universe itself has no business
existing. It seems to have begun as a kind of super-black hole, perhaps
15
billion years ago, everything compressed together in a tiny volume that
then exploded. But how could something which held itself so tightly ever
start expanding? It looks as if, under those conditions, the very laws of
nature were radically different from those we know. There may not even
have BEEN any laws of nature.
"I could go on, but this isn't supposed to be a text on science or its
philosophy. My purpose in bringing up these matters has been merely to
suggest that science is perhaps approaching its own limits, at least in
an
epistemological sense." Poul Anderson, in an article in FANTASY, Tor
books, 1981.
We're too close to it, perhaps. We don't see existence as the miracle it
is, and that the very origin of the universe is similarly shrouded in
impossibilities.
... On what conclusion do you base your facts?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: DATES
|Date: 13 Jan 96 09:18:00
EID:9df0 202d4a40
AS> And varies with each generation. Dante and Newton both saw Him as a
AS> divine Clockmaker. John Brawley has a quantum deity. It is hard for
a
AS> believer to keep the eternal part of the message and make it relevant
AS> to the current generation and not fall into the other trap of only
AS> making a metaphor of God for that generation's understanding. Tipler
AS> sees his God/Omega Point as in some ways, the ultimate computer, and
AS> our "resurrection" as
AS> something in virtual memory.
JB> And there are those who see "UFOs" as modernized versions of "angels."
Sometimes literally. I have had it expounded to me on a local Fidonet
religious echo that UFOs are really "angelic chariots".
JB> A society's current belief-paradigms appear to dictate the
JB> interpretation the society puts on anomalous events and phenomena.
JB> Thank God for empiricism, when that happens....
Right.
JB> "As you believe; so you perceive."
Luckily, empirical results sometimes point the way to new paradigms, like
the Michelson-Morley experiments which contradicted all current ways of
thinking of reality when they came out.
... When it comes to paradigms, shift happens...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: DIPSTICK SEES UFO...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 09:29:00
EID:bd2e 202d4ba0
AS> Jim, I'm not going to tiptoe around it. Both you and Lon have
AS> fathers suffering illness at this time. It seems odd, both posters in
AS> Holy Smoke, both from the same town. Are you the same person?
JB> Both posted on the same day. I'm putting them here for you to see
JB> yourself. NOTE: I'm only posting the headings (so you can see the
JB> dates) and the relevant passages. Stuff that does not pertain is being
JB> cut.
JB> Ä Area: HolySmoke
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#:
JB> 3782 Date: 18 Dec 95 13:27:24
JB> From: Lon S. Mabon Read: Yes
JB> Replied: No To: Shelby Sherman Mark:
JB> Subj: Holiday Greetings...
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ [...]
JB> My father current lies near death after suffering three strokes this
JB> week and God is in the room with all of us, comforting while we hold
JB> vigil over him.
JB> [...]
JB> Ä Area: HolySmoke
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#:
JB> 3786 Rec'd Date: 18 Dec 95 13:41:05
JB> From: Jim Staal Read: Yes
JB> Replied: No To: Lynda Bustilloz Mark:
JB> Subj: Sinners sins
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ [...]
JB> Nah...he lived with my parents for 29 years or so. Take that up with
JB> them (though he is going through some tough times with my father in
JB> the hospital, having suffered some serious strokes last Monday) He
JB> has been only married for a year and a couple of months. I only lived
JB> with my parents for 18 years. Been outa there for some 30 now...
JB> [...]
JB> =======================================================================
JB> ======
JB> Tell me what it looks like to you. Same date, same story, posted only
JB> 14 minutes apart. (And 4 message numbers)
It looks to me that Jim is Lou, without question. I hope he'll have the
guts to admit it.
... I'm not schizophrenic, I'm "multi-faceted"!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: CHRISTIAN MILLER
|Sub: RE: FUNDY FOLLIES!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 09:39:00
EID:fc86 202d4ce0
CM> On Wednesday, January 10th, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> Your god is a murderer.
CM>
CM> So? What's your point? If they deserved it, then fine. If not, then
CM> I guess it's just a consequence of life, huh?
CM>
CM> Christian
Up to now, I thought you were simply a deluded Christian. But above you
went too far. I now reverse my opinion, you HAVE to be a troll. NOBODY's
THAT dumb.
So stop wasting bandwidth, okay?
... Your skull is a cerebral cortex compost site.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: FYI
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:06:00
EID:3cf5 202d50c0
MH> "Reason in the Balance: The Case Against Naturalism in Science, Law,
MH> and Education," by Phillip E. Johnson (InterVarsity, 245 pp.; $19.99,
MH> hardcover).
MH> Reviewed by Tim Stafford.
MH> Phillip Johnson has nerve. Ever since the Scopes trial, there has been
MH> no straighter pathway to intellectual ignominy than the doubting of
MH> Darwinian evolution. A nonbiologist (he teaches law at the University
MH> of California, Berkeley), Johnson took on evolution in "Darwin on
MH> Trial." Now in "Reason in the Balance," he explains why it matters.
He
MH> expands a narrow argument about science into a polemical critique of
MH> modern Western society, particularly the university.
MH> Johnson contends that evolution is "not primarily important as a
MH> scientific theory but as a culturally dominant creation story." Every
MH> culture has a story to explain why humans are here. Ours is evolution,
MH> Johnson says, and its infallibility is defended with the same fervor
MH> that Christians apply to Genesis. The message of evolution is that we
MH> are here by chance and for no purpose, that we are mere matter.
MH> "Naturalism" is what Johnson calls this metaphysical assessment, which
MH> leaves no room for a Creator God. Naturalism has expanded to take in
MH> all the university disciplines: history, literature, even religion,
MH> where one can study the phenomena of religious belief but never assert
MH> (or even discuss) the truth of particular religious claims. Much of
MH> "Reason in the Balance" is dedicated to showing how naturalism brings
MH> moral relativism into education and the law by undermining any idea
of
MH> objective truth.
MH> Johnson offers the well-worn but telling critique that naturalism
MH> undercuts itself, claiming to have arrived at the truth that there is
MH> no truth. If everything is determined by chemistry, then the mind is
MH> merely a neural machine and all thought is suspect, including the
MH> theory of evolution. Why trust in a theory that is merely the product
MH> of evolutionary forces?
C.S. Lewis said something similar about skepticism, but he didn't apply
it
to evolution.
MH> As Johnson well knows, however, that point is brushed aside by
MH> naturalists--possibly because the only intelligent people they talk
MH> with just happen to share all of their fundamental presuppositions.
MH> Furthermore, naturalists have ruled out any contradicting questions.
MH> Science has been defined as naturalism, and any attempt to consider
a
MH> creator or a design to life is placed in another category--theology,
MH> or perhaps philosophy. Thus science cannot discuss the proposal that
MH> the universe is best explained as intelligently designed, not because
MH> the idea has been disproved, but because it is not "science."
Ellis makes the point that there are some questions that science, by its
very nature, cannot really ask or determine.
MH> As Johnson has previously written (and here elaborates), evolution is
MH> a very incomplete theory with many questions yet unsettled. Naturalism
MH> assumes that these must be settled eventually, because evolution is
MH> the only game in town. Alternative possibilities such as intelligent
MH> design, or the dark thought that evolution is a failed theory, cannot
MH> be contemplated.
But I WOULDN'T go that far. Evolution arose among biologists and
geologists who realized that the generally accepted view of creation,
which they had all been brought up in, didn't explain the facts. So the
early scientists who first uncovered the fossils, etc., were believers.
They changed their mind slowly and reluctantly (there was one point where
Darwin contemplated going into the ministry.) because the explanation
didn't fit the facts. The paradigm was FOR the general view of divine
creation, and AGAINST the up-and-coming theory of evolution.
Indeed, given the fact of mutation, and the long reams of time that
science has uncovered, it would take a miracle for evolution NOT to take
place.
Yes, some scientists defend evolution with a fervor much stronger than
other theories. (Didja see that episode of "Friends" where the one who is
a paleontologist talked to the dippy New Ageish blonde girl who didn't
believe in evolution, and said, "How can you NOT believe in evolution?"
It was HILARIOUS. But that's just because it is one place where they are
constantly being challenged, in the courts and the classroom.
MH> Scientists are not the only ones who want to separate science from God
MH> talk. So do many theologians, who seek to insulate God from the
MH> possibility of being made redundant by science. Science and theology
MH> operate in different realms, they say. Johnson perceives this as a
MH> rhetorical device useful to both sides for squelching debate. He
MH> prefers to say that if science can really show that God is unnecessary,
MH> we should accept that he does not exist rather than try to preserve
him
MH> as a phantom.
Now that is SO true. If a scientist believes in God, obviously that is
going to have implications in cosmology, at least. Modern man is seriously
schizoid. Although I am all for the seperation of church and state, it has
led to the unconscious assumption that one's religious beliefs HAVE to be
mere opinion, like preferring one color over another, or one's political
opinion, that it has nothing to do with the nature of reality, even though
the opinion is about whether and by whom that reality was CREATED!
MH> It is evident that Johnson relishes an argument, and that he believes
MH> scientists (and other scholars) have suppressed free inquiry:
MH> In the past geology had to free itself from religious bias so that it
MH> could consider possibilities like an old earth or the occurrence of
MH> ice ages rather than a worldwide flood. That job was accomplished long
MH> ago, and now scientific thought is restricted by naturalistic bias.
MH> Methodological naturalism is a bias in the sense that it constricts
MH> the mind, by limiting the possibilities open to serious consideration.
I think naturalism must always be the base assumption. There IS the danger
of assigning the natural processes to divine processes.
MH> Johnson seems to believe that the tide has begun to turn away from
MH> naturalism. For as long as possible, however, the king wants to avoid
MH> a debate over the divine right of kings, and naturalistic science wants
MH> to avoid debate over whether naturalism is proved or merely assumed.
MH> Johnson seeks to force the discussion into the open. The heavy-handed
MH> methods of his scornful critics suggest that they sense their
MH> vulnerability.
Rather, I would say that some people are realizing the limits of
naturalistic thought. And I must say, in all honesty, it might be
illusion. Many intelligent people were deists, but not atheists, because
they couldn't figure out how the biological mechanisms (like the eye)
could give such an appearance of design. Similarly, there MIGHT be another
explanation of the constants' small range, (which are in the other four
alternatives in Ellis' argument) which some finding might make more
palatable. For instance, if we could prove other existences were around,
with differing constants, then it would be merely a selection process
among possible universes with the fact of us being here selecting for
such. It wouldn't disprove God, but it would remove Him from needing to
set the constants.
MH> In "Reason in the Balance" Johnson is on his natural turf. He is not
a
MH> scientist. He is, however, an expert logician, and his arguments about
MH> the nature of the debate ring true. He has, as it were, asked for a
MH> reopening of the Scopes trial. He appears confident that God will do
MH> better the second time around--or at least that he, Johnson, will
MH> prove a better advocate than William Jennings Bryan did. The most
MH> interesting fact, if we imagine such a retrial, is how the antagonists
MH> have changed places. Clarence Darrow had a field day attacking the
MH> pious orthodoxy of creationism. Today evolution has become the pious
MH> orthodoxy, and it is creationists who hold the daring views too
MH> shocking for children to hear.
But I don't want to set the clock back. I LIVE in the state of the Scopes
trial, and it's somewhat embarassing to me. I want to move BEYOND that.
I
have no quarrel with evolution. As C.S. Lewis said, "whatever problems I
have with evolution are not theological ones." What I do want to pursue
is
what seems to me to be the very real evidence for a selection process in
the constants of the universe, and the implications for such. If it is a
selection from many universes, okay, but if it is a selection within a
single universe, then it looks EXTREMELY suspicious.
(The only thing I see near-miraculous about life is the developement of
self-replicating molecules like DNA which are EXTREMELY complex, but are
needed for any evolution to take place AT ALL. But I have no doubt they
can be explained by normal physical processes.)
Judith and Lynda have shown me evidence that Jim Staal and Lou S. Mabon
posted within four messages of each other about a stroke that their father
suffered, in the same city and from the same board. It's certainly
POSSIBLE that they are two seperate people, who just happened to have
fathers who had strokes, posting from the same board in minutes of each
other, from the same city, who both happened to be Holy Smokers. But I
don't believe in coincidence to that extent, and Judith made her case and
I now accept it. It's odd, though, some of the people here won't swallow
THAT "coincidence" but are perfectly willing to feel that the coincidence
of the constants is just a "brute fact" and whose chances are "unity"
because they happened.
... Believe what is, not what you think.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DOUGLAS DUKE
|Sub: SPEAR IN SIDE
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:34:00
EID:7161 202d5440
AS> Well, yes, Jeff, I think Jesus was probably dead
AS> before the piercing of the side, too, but many
AS> here are skeptical that He DID die, so it seemed
AS> best to point out if Jesus wasn't dead before, he
AS> certainly was dead when His side was pierced.
DD>
DD> I wasn't aware that Homestead carried this conference.
You WEREN'T? It was one of the main reasons I use this BBS.
DD>
DD> Right on your post. JESUS laid down His Life for those who should
DD> be saved, and was not killed by men. So, He was dead in the
DD> leg-breaking rituals, and He was dead as the spear went into His
DD> side.
DD>
DD> After the resurrection, the disciples put their hand in that hole
DD> in His side, and saw the nailprints in His hands.
Yes. Hardly the act of people seeing a hallucination, which they would see
singly, anyway.
... Many have quarrelled about religion that never practiced it.B.Franklin
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: UNCLE ZETA WANTS YOU!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:42:00
EID:c5a2 202d5540
AS> Well, yeah, but guns in 1st century Palestine? My historical accuracy
AS> overrode my punning sense.
JB>
JB> Couldn't 'shot' also refer to the crossbow? Or a catapult? No, in that
JB> case the operative word would have to be 'splat'.
Y'know, some people do Shakespeare in contemporary clothes to show the
timelessness of the Bard, to make them see the actions as more than set
costume pieces. Maybe a Western version of the Crucifixion would actually
do some good...sort of a cross(no pun intended) between horse opera and
Passion Play. (C.S. Lewis crossed Oz with the story of Jesus and got
Narnia, and Edgar Rice Burroughs and various other sf authors with
Christian theology and got his "Space Trilogy". Hmmmm....)
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: UNCLE ZETA WANTS YOU!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:44:00
EID:0416 202d5580
JB> Well, just to address this portion of the message: Jesus was already
JB> dead when the centurion pierced his side with the spear. Read the
JB> gospel of John and his account of the crucifixion. Take care!
DW> Really? Funny that Matthew, Mark, and Luke chose not to mention this
DW> detail, isn't it? Why do you think the other three made that
DW> oversight?
I know! I know! (Waving hand frantically.)
Because they weren't witnesses? John WAS. So it should not be suprising
that some details would creep into his account that weren't in the
others...
... ** We are most revealed by what we do not scrutinize. **
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: RE: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:47:00
EID:cd60 202d55e0
-=> Quoting Asmodeus to David Worrell <=-
As> ** Quoting David Worrell to Asmodeus **
D> 09 Jan 96 00:52, Asmodeus wrote to J.J. Hitt:
D>
D> A> As for what career goal I have set for myself, that is nunya, but
I
D> A> will share anyhow. (I am already grown, just getting some tuition
D> A> togethr) I woullike to have a career in electronics, but I am being
D> A> strongly pulled toward my favorite pastime-Writing.
D>
D> You might could manage simple electronics, as long as it's nothing
D> more complicated than replacing a blown circuit board with a new one.
D> Writing, on the other hand, is obviously completely beyond you.
As>
As> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU WRITE OFF-TOPIC
As> AGAIN. NOW FOR MY ANSWER:
Ooooohhhh, David, he's having an ABSOLUTE hissy-fit. What a threat!
... There is nothing more horrifying than stupidity in action.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ASMODEUS
|Sub: RE: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:51:00
EID:3884 202d5660
As> consider me, I care not. My pseudonym is merely a way for me to
As> express my beliefs, in a very simple, quick way, to those who
As> recognize its meaning. Besides, by posting as Thomas Jones I would
be
As> like everyone else, and I prefer to be unique.
You succeed admirably.
... Excuse me, I have to recharge my flamethrower.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: RE: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 13 Jan 96 11:07:00
EID:2cfd 202d58e0
-=> Quoting Asmodeus to J.j. Hitt <=-
As> Don't you even know how to lie properly you racist piece of crap? For
As> speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you, and for
As> your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would admit your
As> actions) I damn you.
As>
As> See you in Hell!
(Pounding floor.)
Whatta maroon!!!
He apologizes for offending one and all, and then sends stuff like that.
I know you're just shaking in your boots after such a threat. You see why
I don't give Leveyian Satanists credit for much brains? I have no problems
with Satanists per se, or Thelemites, or Wiccans. I DO have a problem with
kids who have no manners and no sense of respect for others. Or people who
make gross judgements of others without data. Poor child. He is going to
learn manners REAL fast here. Anton Levey struck me as a brain-dead
hedonist, and anyone who says he agrees with him on practically every
point...
What did he do, excommunicate you from the Church of Satan?
I can't WAIT to see what he's going to say to me...
... I have the heart of a child. In a jar. On my desk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 13 Jan 96 11:29:00
EID:5b7e 202d5ba0
AS> If you want a down to earth interstellar device that could be
AS> built in 25 years, the only candidate is an Orion ship, and
AS> building one of those would probably equal the budget of a small
AS> nation.
JH> I'm not familiar with the term "Orion ship".
I'll hold that off till the end of the post, okay?
JH> But I suspect the closest thing to a workable craft with
JH> (almost) present technology would be to mount fusion engines
JH> on an EL MONDO HUGE sized chunk of ice. You'd mine the thing
JH> for fuel and reaction mass as you went along.
JH> I can't recall ever seeing that approach to it ever addressed in
JH> fiction. And a shame, because instead of the traditional control
JH> room / cabins / hallways structure of a "ship" you'd have scattered
JH> hamlets (you'd not want your entire population in a central
JH> location, if you had an "accident" you'd lose the entire crew) on
JH> a landscape that would be constantly changing.
I KNOW I've seen it used somewhere in sf, but other than a short story by
Isaac Asimov where they brought the ice in the rings of Saturn to Mars to
help terraform it...
JH> No... come to think of it, Clarke did use ships like that in
JH> Fountains of Paradise. But most of the action in the book takes
JH> place planet-side.
JH>
Okay. The term "Orion ship".
This is going to sound like the silliest way to go to another star ever
invented, but it'll work...
You build a big ship, with a "Generations" like capacity. For this ship
will take generations to go from one star to another.
Then you build a BIG plate in back, made of lead (you'll find out why in
a second) and, to put it simply, springs. A giant "pusher plate." It will
be a VERY thick plate, by the way. I don't have my estimates in front of
me, but it might be nearly as big as the rest of the ship. Again, you're
about to find out why.
You have a hole at the bottom of the pusher plate, leading in a long
tube, which shoots out---
An atom bomb.
No, I am NOT crazy.
It shoots out, and EXPLODES. The pusher plate shields the ship against
the radiation (you might line the inside of the ship in the outermost hull
with water to absorb radiation, also). And the ship MOVES.
Then you shoot out another. THe ship moves FASTER.
And you KEEP ON DOING THIS. Studies have shown such a ship could reach a
significant fraction of light speed, say one-tenth c. (Speed of light).
The pusher plate reacts against the bomb, and the springs push the ship
faster and faster.
Obviously, this is a deep space only vehicle. You can't use it in an
atmosphere. Not without causing nuclear winter.
We've got all these nuclear warheads sitting around with nothing to
do...
It would still take forty years to reach Alpha Centauri. But then,
another people spent forty years in the wildnerness to reach a promised
land..it wouldn't be fast enough for relativistic time-dilation to really
kick in.
Side rockets would turn the ship around, and then you would fire the
atom bombs AHEAD of the ship to slow you down....
And hope the star system isn't already inhabited and thinks you are
shooting atomic weapons at them, which you ARE, in a sense...
Farther stars take even longer. 116 years to Epsilon Eridani, for
instance.
Obviously you send probes first to find out which stars have planets
worth going to.
But you could actually BUILD this ship. It doesn't take great new
strides in physics to build it. It is a matter of engineering (and making
sure we have an artificial enviorment that can last for decades.) Like
I
said, it would take the budget of a small nation to build even one, but
it
CAN be done.
I'm not advocating it. Ride on something that depends on atom bombs
exploding behind you, to make a decades-long trip to another star? Give
us
a few centuries to explore the solar system, and see what new ideas
suggest themselves. Or listen to the stars and wait for contact with
intelligent life that might give us a design for a better ship. Look into
the electrodynamics of building a Bussard ramjet or using anti-matter as
a
similar propellant. (Have to be even MORE careful with that stuff. Again,
work on electrodynamics for building magnetic "bottles".)
But it WOULD work.
... My apologies if that made any sense at all...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 13 Jan 96 11:42:00
EID:6b91 202d5d40
AS> culpable in itself, but if you saw it, do YOU think he was being
AS> deliberately cruel to Shelby?
JB> I don't know about Lynda, but I sure do. (In case you haven't seen it,
JB> she had both those posts archived that I asked for)
I did indeed, and it answered my questions. The "God was guiding him
through the valley of death" bit could have just been a clumsy attempt to
comfort someone in the only way they knew how. Sometimes believers cannot
see that to nonbelievers such would not be a comfort, but a mockery. Much
as a believer might react if a Wiccan told them that their deceased was
being "guided by the Goddess to the Summerlands". Think how, say, Tammy
Faye would have reacted to THAT! But the rest--the bit about the
father-in-law not knowing about the evil effects of tobacco, and where did
he live, a "tee-pee"? was in extremely poor taste. I just never saw that
part quoted before.
JB> A simple condolences AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME would have been more than
JB> sufficient. Theological rant could be saved for a later time. No
JB> matter what the deceased's beliefs or religion, Shelby's position on
JB> those is a matter of record, even in the original post. And it was
JB> Shelby and his wife who needed to hear that others supported them in
JB> their pain.
True. When my father died this past year, no one mocked me about it, in
any way shape or form, even in THIS forum.
JB> It would be in the same vein as me asking you how you felt knowing
JB> your father was worm food now that he was dead, when you are still in
JB> the first shock of grief of losing him.
Exactly.
JB> Anyone with an ounce of compassion would have left it alone, Al. I
JB> think you know that.
You see, my problem, Judith, was the most quoted part was the "God guiding
through the valley of death" part. Which some well-meaning Christians
might think they are giving COMFORT in time of grief. (Well, I didn't say
BRIGHT, did I?) But reading the whole post, I have to agree with you.
It was, if not spiteful,(and I'm not saying it wasn't in spite) in
extremely bad taste.
... Don't try to have the last word. You just might.
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|From: Ed Dutkiewicz
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 13 Jan 96 21:31:24
EID:1922 202dabe0
MSGID: 1:236/20.0 30f86afc
David Worrell asked:
>Here's another question you'll probably be afraid to answer: If you had
the
>ability, would you torture your children for eternity?
Nah, just as long as they live with me.
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|From: Lon S. Mabon
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:15:17
EID:34f8 202d91e0
MSGID: 1:228/87.0 30f873a0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Eval]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Lon S. Mabon <=-
DC> @MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89000E2B
-> On 01-07-96 03:29, Lon S. Mabon got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Your god hates evil, don't he?
LSM> Yes, He does.
DC> Then, why does not only allow his evil to exist, why did he create
DC> Satan in the first place?
LSM> Satan was at one time an arch angel, I believe. Angels are defined
in
DC> And, a little ol' archangel is stronger than the god that created him!
No.
--- GEcho 1.20/Pro
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|From: Lon S. Mabon
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:17:00
EID:34f8 202d9220
MSGID: 1:228/87.0 30f873a1
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Eval]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Lon S. Mabon <=-
LSM> Where in the Bible does it say God is 'omnibenevolent'? The Bible
LSM> clearly says the opposite:
DC> Read just what you wrote above, you consummate moron. You state
DC> the the bible "clearly says the opposite" to 'omnibenevolent'.
No, I said the Bible says the opposite. Not that He is the opposite. The
Bible says God is selective in His benevolency.
--- GEcho 1.20/Pro
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|From: Lon S. Mabon
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:17:14
EID:4f9a 202d9220
MSGID: 1:228/87.0 30f873a2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Eval]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Lon S. Mabon <=-
MG> @MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6058edf1
LSM> We disagree. I see no 'myth' or 'lies' in the biblical account
LSM> of the great flood.
MG> Do you also believe the first thing that a used car salesman tells
MG> you?
No.
--- GEcho 1.20/Pro
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|From: Douglas Duke
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: those far-away minds
|Date: 13 Jan 96 22:20:50
EID:ca28 202db280
MSGID: 1:116/17.0 30f884a2
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 606539b7
DD> I do give out the Word of God which is the true gospel.
DD> And, the Word of God was written by God, otherwise it would be
DD> the word of men.
MG> Do you yet have any reason why you offered as
MG> evidence of the ark story the work of James Wyatt
MG> who has been shown to be a fraud?
I do not know who James Wyatt is.
Maranatha Bible alone!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Mark Staal-Lump
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:22:04
EID:93fb 202b72c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f8858f
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Steve Quarrella <=-
FR> @MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 03147e80
> * Original: FROM..... Lump (1:228/45.0)
> * Original: TO....... Fredric Rice (1:124/9005)
> * Original: FORUM.... HOLYSMOKE
> * Forwarded by Silver Xpress
> * Additional Comments by Steve Quarrella (1:124/9005)
> -=> Quoting Fredric Rice to All <=-
> FR> @MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet b186f51e
> FR> ...who else would show so much pity as to create some
> FR> dumb hasbeen ugly, big nostriled, black woman.
> FR> Has Jim mistakenly let his racist bigotry peek out from under that
> FR> false sugar coating?
> Has this FudRucker lost all his intelligence or was he just bounced
> on his head too many times at birth when the doctor slapped his
> Momma....
> C'MON FERDIE, GET A LIFE FOR ONCE AND SAY OR DO SOMETHING
> INTELLIGENT....LIKE ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR SIT AND CLEAN YOURSELF
> LIKE THE DOG THAT YOU ARE...seeing no-one will do it for ya.That's my
> quote and I will take CREDIT for it, thank you.....Yeah, Lump ain't
in
> the mood to take any more crap from neanderthal ape people like you
who
> don't have enough sense to pick their knuckles up off the ground and
> pick their nose.....VERMIN!!!!!
> ... Catch the Blue Wave!
> ! Origin: WareHouse BBS - Wyoming MI - (616)538-5410 (1:228/45)
FR> I still say that Jim Staal is the one responsible for these messages.
FR> When he first came in here he sounded exactly like this. That was
FR> before he learned what this forum was really for, of course.
....So what's the big deal about that,Furd? You and your brother sound
exactly alike.....You both talk like ignorant morons!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:23:40
EID:c8ae 202b72e0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f88590
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Jim Staal <=-
FR> @MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0389a5ea
FR> Are you _still_ pretending that your "brother" is
FR> responsible for putting words in your mouth?
js> Nope. I'm claiming that you intentionally, and with extreme
js> bigotry and malice did change the initials on lump's post to
js> mine, amid protest from me, and the blessing of the alleged
js> moderator.
FR> I see you're still trying to pretend that your alias "lump" isn't you.
FR> I also see that you're still trying to pretend I'm "changing"
FR> initials. I'm not. Your messages don't come in with _any_ initials.
FR> I have to type them in for every single message I reply to reguardless
FR> of who it is. I simply type "js" for all of your fake names, clown.
FR> ~*~ Sorry, I must have misunderstood your question. I believe that
FR> the Holy Spirit caused on of Mary's eggs to become a fetus without
FR> sperm. - Steve Bedard
.....Sorry, Furd, wrong again!
FR> -!-
FR> ! Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack!
FR> (1:102/890.666)
... Fred Rice; Biggest reason known for retroactive abortion!
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|From: Lump
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colo
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:27:42
EID:9a74 202b7360
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f88591
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
LC> Don't DARE call Furd Turd one of my brethren!
....Didn't want to, but, you made me say it
LC> Just like there are
LS> supposedly Two Furds, there are also two Staals in this echo, its
LS> not that hard to comprehend, Honest!
LC> I don't recall you stating that you were a Staal.It must of been
LC> while I was gone.
.....Have been trying to convince people of that in here since day
one in this echo....almost every post you see from me is defending the
fact to Georgie and Furd the turd.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Fredric Rice's lack o
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:38:01
EID:7fdb 202b74c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f88592
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-
GtP> Ahhh, even my being gone hasn't helped your being an asshole. Nice
to
GtP> know that, like your silly little murdering mythgawd, you are the same
GtP> yesterday, today and tomorrow.
......Sorry Gwenny, but no where in the above statement did I
see anything about the alleged accusation....
L>> .....Nevertheless, you're still bringing up old new, Gwenny hasn't
L>> been here for months and if she has a problem with Jimbo maybe she
L>> should confront him instead of having you liberal pagan dimwits do it
L>> for her...So bite me!
GtP> Hey, Shelby's not the pagan, I am. And I'm not liberal, I'm
GtP> anarchist. Sheesh, you guys can't get anything right. Is it any
GtP> wonder you babble is such a mess. As for having a problem with
GtP> "Jimbo"....let me compare the situation to cockroaches. For bugs
GtP> there's spray....for fundies there's the "next" key.
....Just merely stating a fact, that if you do have a problem with
jimbo, you should take it up with him and you only,not the other dimwits
in here, or let's drop the issue and "GET OVER IT"
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:41:06
EID:423a 202b7520
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f88593
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Robert Jackson <=-
DC> @MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89000E2F
-> On 01-07-96 14:30, Robert Jackson got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> looks like he is learning the frustration of dealing with
DC> the brain dead.
RJ> than our standard crop--and I have to slump really low in
RJ> my chair to read what's on my screen while peeking through
RJ> my fingers. It gets pretty damn irritating simply because
DC> It is rather frightening to realize that they are coming
DC> through the school system. Proble is, the school system
DC> atempts to accomodate their idiocy.
..."Proble"?....."atempts"?......Your school system must've been
grand....
RJ> they keep coming and coming and coming...there's really no
RJ> bottom to the Idiot Well, is there?
DC> Maybe someday the well will finally go dry. Unfortunately, the
DC> fundy masters continue to piss in it to keep the level up.
DC> ... "Luke, don't give in to hate - that leads to the dark side." -
DC> Obi-Wan ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
DC> -!- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12
DC> ! Origin: Ten Forward BBS, The Olympic Peninsula. (1:350/401.0)
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Christian
|Date: 11 Jan 96 14:08:24
EID:7ac8 202b7100
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bee7
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Maria Russell <=-
LB> *shrug* We can't all be a part of the Staal Fan Club. He has you,
LB> I'm sure he won't lose sleep about me not joining in.
LB> Then you haven't been paying close attention. I come to the defense
LB> of those I see being wrongly accused by people who are not content to
LB> simply say "You're wrong", or even engage in some Holysmokish
LB> witticism, but feel obligated to slander God by suggesting that such
a
LB> person will burn in hell for an eternity simply for a disagreement with
LB> a Christian.
LB> Truly, Maria, I will be ever grateful that I have been a Christian for
LB> many years, and have met Christians like Al so that I am aware of
LB> exactly how SMALL a crew your brand of Christian really is. Between
LB> you, Jim, Christian, and Prewett, if I were a less experienced
LB> Christian, or one who has not known how MANY different types of
LB> nonpetty Christians there are, I would be tempted to take you all at
LB> your word, and simply give up, and declare myself not a Christian, if
LB> it means that I must be like you.
Lynda, why the great offense? My main beef is purely your apparent
departure from scripture. When I ask for evidence from scripture for
your 'beliefs', you instead, bad mouth me to the pagans.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Maria...I just met a girl na
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:46:10
EID:b801 202c0dc0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5beeb
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Thankyou. I know of no way to support a 'partially true' Bible. It
JS> either all stands as one (which it does), or falls apart when you
JS> take one part out of it.
RJ> So then, when did it fall apart? 325, in Nicea, or 1611
RJ> with the publication of the KJV?
Never has, sir...
MR> I do hope you are a literalist and not an interpretist
JS> I am an inerrantist. II Timothy 3:16 with emphasis on the 'all'.
JS> I don't know what an 'Interpretist' is, but I believe scripture (with
JS> the guidance of the Holy Spirit through prayer) from cover to cover
is
JS> it's own interpreter...
RJ> Gotcher se'f a fanclub there, Jimbo. Mebbe she'll let you
RJ> smack 'er 'round a bit if you think she gets out of line.
Where/how/why would you even conceive of such a notion, Robert?
... ÄÄÄÄÄï¶ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ°°°°°³ÆÍÍÍ͵ Tagline Injection!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Articulation...is making me wait...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:45:37
EID:1696 202c0da0
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Man! Hee hee-ee. I sure pulled a _lot_ of chains with that one, didn't
RJ> I'd REALLY like to learn how to
RJ> say things after the fact that are designed to convince people:
RJ> 1) I never said any such thing; 2) that I only said it as a
RJ> joke because it would piss off people I don't like.
With the potty mouth you possess, it shouldn't be a problem, Robert.
Call me what you like, it doesn't increase your stature one iota.
RJ> Until then, shithead,
Oooh, yes! Hit me again, Robert. What intellect! What eloquence! Way to
show me, dude! Boy! I'll think twice before I ever do _that_ again!
RJ> Until then, shithead, I and everyone else on this echo with
RJ> more glial cells than pondscum will make sure every
RJ> stupid-assed comment you make will come back to haunt you as
RJ> long as you participate here.
So?
RJ> You HAVE no sense of humor,
Check the mirror on this one, bub.
RJ> slackass
RJ> fuck up,
Oh, yes! Express yourself!
RJ> For your edification, you will find the words: glial, jeer,
RJ> sentient, gauntlet, a posteriori, and witticism in your
RJ> dictionary.
No problem with them 'common' words, Robert...
RJ> You might also find references to Orestes and the
RJ> Wandering Jew, who are characters from literature, in there as
RJ> well--
Who?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Country livin'...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:45:11
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Kenneth Mcabee to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I was through there on my way to some singing engagements in S. Carolina
JS> two summers ago. Nice area.
KM> It is, I live in Hampton, I was discribing it to a friend of mine, and
KM> she sounds it sounds like your in the country. Well, that's what I
KM> like about it, it feels like country in the middle of the city.
My area is right on the fringe of 'country'. Grandville is a small town
on the southern edge of Grand Rapids. When I bought my house back in '69
(heesh! Old dude, eh?) the 'country' was about three blocks away. Now it
has moved a mile and a half. :)
JS> 'Specially with 'family'...
KM> Interesting that Christians can go out and have a good time huh?
Betchum!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Excrement!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:44:55
EID:feab 202c0d80
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
DC> Now, just which Staal is it that's recieving this message?
the one it is addressed to, of course...
JS> Yeah...right...tell that to Furd Rice and all the others who have not
JS> said a positive word in the past three years, Luke...exhortation is
DC> Or is it when you strut on your
DC> milk crate and pound your chest like some miscreant buffoon?
Not any room for strutting on a milkcrate, Dan.
Funny thing, I never see a word before in my life, one monkey here uses
it, the rest of the monkeys run for their Funk and Wagnalls and all of a
sudden it is all over the place. Hee hee-ee. Maroons! Same thing
happened with 'misogynist'...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Doktor Leipzig...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:44:29
EID:c0c0 202c0d80
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Poltroon, eh? Stand up and look me in the face when you say that,
JS> MISTER Leipzig! (rent-a-MILKCRATE [TM])
PS> Leipzig is about as tall as you are. He can say it to your face
PS> without having to resort to your infamous milkcrate.
Ha! I sincerely doubt _that_, Preston...
ML> Even with all your aliases?
JS> Name one that wasn't intentionally obvious? You have been here longer
JS> than I so there was no intent to fool ya...
PS> A good thing too, since you couldn't fool anyone.
Didn't want to...but if I did, I could and have...for a long time.
JS> True...I was always popular for providing the Aces for those who
JS> actually did the assignments...
PS> I'll bet you were. And what assignments would those be?
PS> Fingerpainting?
missed it, didn't you, smart guy...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Archaism...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:44:14
EID:0416 202c0d80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
LC> Ecclesiastes 3:19 "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth
LC> beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth
LC> the other; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast"
JS> First off, let's put this archaic quote into English:
PS> That *is* English, Staal. Your problem if you can't read it.
JS> (Eccl 3:19 NIV) Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same
JS> fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the
JS> same breath ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is
JS> meaningless. ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
PS> ^^^^^^^^^^^
PS> From whence cometh this last, Staal? It doesn't appear in the version
PS> of Ecclesiastes 3:19 that Luke quoted and it doesn't appear in mine.
And which version might you own, Prston? Some 1611 model?
(Eccl 3:19 KJV) For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth
beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the
other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence
above a beast: for all is vanity.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:44:01
EID:1ca0 202c0d80
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f45b83
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "2 HOLYSMOKE.FAQ.AB"
MR> Oh, she's a Christian? Oh, "we" didn't know that
JS> Yes, I understood that from several conversations I had with her
JS> before she began her current 'let's suck up to the atheist blasphemers
PS> I can understand how you might be jealous of those more tolerant and
PS> erudite than yourself, but how is displaying reasonableness and a
PS> willingness to learn and to think in any way "sucking up" to anybody?
None of the above. It is more of the juvenile 'peer' thing where we go
with those of larger number, just to fit in, be cool...I'm sure _you_
understand...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:19:15
EID:287b 202c0260
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f45b84
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Fundamentalists R Us"
JS> I am an inerrantist. II Timothy 3:16 with emphasis on the 'all'.
PS> Damned shame about the flood not being real, then.
Really!? And who deluded you into thinking that?
... this is the end...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Rattle...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:43:38
EID:ec8c 202c0d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef3
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Man! Hee hee-ee. I sure pulled a _lot_ of chains with that one, didn't
JS> I?
PS> Y'think Jesus is happy with your behavior?
Oh...feigning ignorance is a sin, is it?
... this is the end...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:43:27
EID:8f46 202c0d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef4
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> To quote the right honorable Jimmy Swaggart, 'It's just none of your
JS> business', Hector.
PS> Isn't this the same "right honorable" guy who paid to watch a
PS> prostitute masturbate? The same "right honorable" guy who is such a
PS> farce that he damages the cause of Christianity more than he helps it?
Ahh...sure pushed the right buttons with that one, didn't I...
... the manipulator...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:43:11
EID:a258 202c0d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef5
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Jim Staal <=-
SR> <<< Sounds of violent barfing heard in the backround >>>
JS> Reason?
SR> I dunno. Why do people go to Disney-World? The same thing. Cheap,
SR> throw-away entertainment while the corporation gets rich.
JS> Still doesn't explain the motivation behind your statement, Steve.
JS> What's the matter? Not exciting enough for you?
SR> If attending a church is your idea of excitement...then I understand
SR> why you prefer to remain a fundy all your life: you do not crave ANY
SR> excitement.
Hmmmm...church...not exciting? Ever tried it?
... this is the end...
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|From: Jm Staal
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Kathy's jive...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:42:57
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Jim Staal <=-
KW> @MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 1a2090c0
JS>My my, 'christian', you have been here a tad too long, haven't you? It
JS>must be just a joy for the evil pagans here when alleged Christians tear
JS>each other up in public. I would recommend that if you wish to discuss
JS>your differences you might do it by way of private E-mail or via the
JS>internet or even to discuss doctrinal differences to go to Holy_BibleII.
KW> Jim, have you gone off your meds again?
What in my above articulate post would cause you to ask that question?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Marty...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:42:39
EID:b717 202c0d40
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Jim Staal <=-
JS> It doesn't to me. You seem to have the problem. I have not seen
JS> one instance. Oh, some atheist pagans have attempted to
JS> discredit the Word by taking things out of their intended
JS> context and meaning, but...hey... there purpose was clear
JS> from the beginning and had no effect what so ever...
MG> The bible is full of physcial impossibilities. the flood is only one
MG> example. You know the litany of the rest of them. do you seriously
MG> believe that a book that contains a story like that of the ark can be
MG> believed in anything.
Ahhh...Marty, Marty, Marty...that is the problem. I have at least one
thing you lack: faith. And faith...well, faith is:
(Heb 11:1 NIV) Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain
of what we do not see.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ab
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:29:34
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-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Jim Staal <=-
MG>> No one here said that homosexuality would go to hell. You
MG>> and others have pointed out that your bible claims that
MG>> homosexuals will go to hell. That sounds like hate to me.
JS> Sounds more like impetus or exhortation to me, Martin. Why is
JS> passing on information received as 'hate'?
MG> Because the information is hate.
Please provide evidence to support this. There is no command in the
information to hate. The total idea is the opposite.
MG> why is it any different if your
MG> bible had told you that being black was a sin?
I've been through this before. It doesn't. It is not even a relevant
allegory. The Bible wouldn't.
MG> But the original question is better. If you try to separate the sin
MG> from the sinner, why does the sinner and not the sin go to hell?
This doesn't even make sense. As sin lives in the sinner, if/when the
sinner goes to hell, so does the sin.
All this aside, two things:
a. not all sinners go to hell. Saved ones don't.
b. Do you believe the sinner goes to hell? If not, why trouble me
with it?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: They'd!? Who's 'They'd'???
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:42:23
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
DW> A thousand years ago, they'd be out looking for firewood and a
DW> suitable place for the stake to tie you to.
They'd!? They'd!? Who's this 'they'd'?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Joy...in salvation...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:42:04
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-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Rob Burcham <=-
RB> You wouldn't be disappointed if Marty was spared eternal damnation,
RB> would you, Jim?
RJ> I understand a quote by the "esteemed" Thomas Aquinas is
RJ> something along the lines of "part of the joy of Heaven is
RJ> watching the suffering of heathens in Hell."
i don't know this 'Thomas Aquinas' fella (some Roman Catholic dude?) but
if you want to know how a true Christian [TM] feels about it, check out
my answer...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: tolerance?????
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:41:45
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-=> Quoting Luke Clark to John Prewett <=-
AS> "Judge NOTHING before the time" Jim.
JP> Rev. 2:2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance,
JP> and that you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the
JP> test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not,
JP> and you found them to be false;
LC> Which shows that the bible can be shown to support what ever your
LC> current feddish is, whether it be tolerance or intolerance.
How does it show that, Luke? It appears to me that brother Prewett has
chosen a very demonstrative that exemplifies what is going on to the
fullest. Those alleged murdering knobs were gravely in error and not
Christian by any stretch of the imagination. How could the
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Christians...together...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:41:27
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Maria Russell <=-
LB> Then you haven't been paying close attention. I come to the defense
LB> of those I see being wrongly accused by people who are not content to
LB> simply say "You're wrong",
Then you should be coming to the defense of every Christian who in any
way supports Biblical theology here, as they soon become the brunt of
each and every vilification the pagans can dish out. Instead you seem
to do the opposite...
... this is the end...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Christianity...today.
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:41:07
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Maria Russell <=-
LB> Truly, Maria, I will be ever grateful that I have been a Christian for
LB> many years, and have met Christians like Al so that I am aware of
LB> exactly how SMALL a crew your brand of Christian really is.
And what brand might that be, Lynda?
LB> Between
LB> you, Jim, Christian, and Prewett, if I were a less experienced
LB> Christian, or one who has not known how MANY different types of
LB> nonpetty Christians there are,
Are you here declaring the Bible 'petty'?
LB> I would be tempted to take you all at
LB> your word, and simply give up, and declare myself not a Christian, if
LB> it means that I must be like you.
No, it means you must follow the book of Christianity, the Bible.
LB> What makes me angry beyond words is
LB> that you, and the likes of you, HAVE turned people away from Christ
who
LB> mistake your shallow, vindictive view of the gospel for the real
LB> thing.
And how has that been manifested, in your eyes?
LB> It would be so much easier for you if I would walk away from the
LB> faith, so that you could comfortably ignore me, but I won't.
Not at all. But when you walk away from the Bible, you do exactly
that. And when you criticize Christians who uphold the Bible, you do it
as well.
LB> Everytime
LB> you preach a gospel of hell and damnation, you show where your heart
LB> lies, and I won't let you slander the Name of my Saviour unopposed.
The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) only preach a gospel of warm
fuzzies? I think not!
... this is the end...
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|From: JIm Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:40:54
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
KW> Christian is some form of xtian. The other xtians on this echo don't
KW> seem to willing to embrace him, though.
LB> Well, would YOU?! Who knows where he's been??! (outside, having a
LB> threesome without his wife's knowledge, I guess)
If nothing else, Christian seems to be one who upholds the Bible as
God's Word.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:40:38
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
KW> Christian is some form of xtian. The other xtians on this echo don't
KW> seem to willing to embrace him, though.
I haven't seen anything objectionable about Mr. Miller to date...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Select this!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:40:15
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-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> Yes, you say you're selective about this--but all that shows is that
PS> you're no more a Christian than I am. It shows only that you're a
RJ> It's hilarious that he says he's "selective about this."
Duh. Gnomeular Simpson said I was 'selective about this'. I didn't.
Heesh! Git it right, Jackson...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Liar!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:40:03
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Lon S. Mabon <=-
PS> Are you insinuating that I, someone who no longer follows your
PS> religion, sin? Amusing. Sin is a religious concept. I haven't sinned
PS> since I was a Christian.
You, sir, are a self-deluded liar! Romans 3:23!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 12 Jan 96 01:39:47
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
JB>> Now you understand what it feels like to be a woman (especially
JB>> one who has survived what so many of us here have) and read this
LB> I am very glad to hear David describe his reaction to what she says,
DW> Damn, Staal tries to insult people behind their back and you
You post something to someone else in a public forum and it
is 'behind their back'? Get real...
DW> You Christians really need to get
DW> together and come up with one accepted code of behavior... :)
She's just sucking up. Don't get the big head...BTW, we do: The Bible.
It's just that not all who say 'I'm a christian' bother to open that
book anymore.
LB> Hearing it from David (who does NOT share that problem) helps convince
LB> me that my revulsion is justified.
DW> Glad to be of service. You should receive my bill shortly.
Typical pagan/atheist attitude...even to a suck-up...
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: All
|Sub: Hillary!
|Date: 10 Jan 96 09:31:44
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In a stunning revelation yesterday a righteously outraged Senator Alfonse
D'McCarthy has revealed stunning new revelations that Hillary Clinton, during
the time of the Travelgate firings, has been less than forthcoming.
Acting on a tip from well known talk show host Flush Fla'beau, the personal
diaries of one of the First Lady's personal assistants were subpoenaed.
Standing righteously in front a crowd of reporters Senator D'McCarthy, while
waving the diary, declared, "We have the smoking gun to show that Mrs Clinton
is a congenital liar."
Senator D'McCarthy then proceeded to read from Mrs Libshits diary. "While
waking Mrs Clinton she sleepily rolled over, passed gas, and asked what
time
it was."
Senator D'McCarthy proudly pounded the podium and yelled, "There you have
it!
In none of Mrs Clinton's testimony did Mrs Clinton ever tell investigators
or
this committee that she had passed gas during the Travelgate affair. He
points
to testimony from other White House aids which clearly shows they have not
made public that the First Lady passed gas. It is clearly a cover-up involving
large portions of the White House staff. We intend to fully prosecute Mrs
Clinton for this obvious abuse of power and intend to introduce articles
of
impeachment against her."
A smirking D'McCarthy then stated, "It is the plain as the nose on your
face
gentlemen. I will now take your questions."
Senator!: "Are you telling us that you were unaware that Mrs Clinton passed
gas?"
D'McCarthy: "No I'm not. I'm saying that we always suspected it but couldn't
prove it."
But Senator!: "Everyone passes gas don't they?"
D'McCarthy: "I don't!"
From the back of the room: "Maybe not but you are full of shit!"
D'McCarthy: "That isn't at issue. The issue is the cover-up of the First
Lady passing gas during Travel gate."
Senator!: "How can you charge Hillary with abuse of power? She has none."
D'McCarthy: "Oh no? Then why is it that they were able to cover up the
fact
that the First Lady passes gas?"
But Senator!: "Everyone passes gas."
D'McCarthy: "You have no evidence that I do."
Senator: "Unconfirmed sources have stated that your lawyer says you pass
gas."
D'McCarthy: "Any such information is protected by attorney client
privilage."
Senator!: "How do you propose to impeach the First Lady? She holds no
political office."
D'McCarthy: "Very easily sir, she wishes to. We will thereby save the
American people from her by impeaching her before she holds office."
From the back of the room: "You are not only full of shit, you are nuts
too!"
D'McCarthy: "I've covered the first of this question already. As to the
second part, that is protected by doctor client privilage."
Senator: "How much has this First Lady Fart cost the American taxpayer?"
D'McCarthy: "To date 28 million dollars. And well worth it. The American
people deserves to know the truth."
Senator!: "Twenty eight million dollars for a fart? I've heard of a shot
heard round the world, but a fart?" [Gallery bursts into laughter.]
D'McCarthy: "I believe I've covered that question while talking about passing
gas, and feel no need to comment further."
From the back of the room: "No shit!"
At this point an to aid Senator D'McCarthy rushed up and stated, "That will
be
all for now."
As Senator D'McCarthy was ushered from the room he was heard frantically
screaming, "We do have shit! We have Libshits, We have Libshits!"
From the back of the room: "Don't bet on that Senator, we have a surprize
for
you in November."
george
... Those who vote Republican are either very rich or very stupid.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:06:14
EID:0fd8 202950c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d80
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Robert Jackson <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Homosexual
PS> Christians"
RJ> I can't tell you how often, as I scan through the index
RJ> for newbies, they turn out to be fundies as bad or worse
RJ> than our standard crop--and I have to slump really low in
PS> The churches just aren't making 'em like they used to. Must be this
PS> approaching millenium crap.
Preston,
They are just using the wrong poison to test for the faithful ala
Mark 16:15-18. Instead of something deadly poisonous they just use enough
sterno to perfom a Biblical lobotomy.
"Work, pray, tithe, work, pray, tithe." I have to give them credit, it
is a
money maker.
RJ> my fingers. It gets pretty damn irritating simply because
RJ> they keep coming and coming and coming...there's really no
RJ> bottom to the Idiot Well, is there?
PS> It puts one in mind of the Zulu movies of the '60s, doesn't it? The
PS> brave band of redcoats holding out against billions and billions of
PS> marauding warriors.
Has anyone ever counted the casualities on the redcoat side of that Zulu
movie
from the '60's? Rather reminds me of enemy body counts during the Vietnam
War.
I swear the Zulus had to have killed everyone at least three times.
Or what about "Gunsmoke"? Marshall Dillon apperently owned the only twelve
shooter in the Old West.
george
... The Left is everyone who isn't pathologically insane. Noam Chomsky
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Thanks for Response!
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:23:27
EID:1042 202952e0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d81
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Glen Zilly <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Glen Zilly mumbled "Thanks for
PS> Response!"
GZ> You may not understand this but your quite brutal critcism to
PS> Brutal? You haven't seen brutal yet. I'm just an amateur.
Damn Preston!
What did you do? Make a Jezoid think?
Wow! Isn't that an oxymoron?
GZ> the Bible. You are correct that there are sixty-six. I accpt full
PS> It depends, really. If you're using a version with the Apocrypha,
PS> there are even more.
But it is well known the Apocrypha isn't the Word of God, the only evidence
that it is, is that it says it is.
GZ> not. As for your criticisms to my article I cannot create counter
GZ> arguments for all of them in the time and space I have alloted. As
for
GZ> me being a dimwit you are perhaps overstating me and I know my
PS> You mean "understating." If I were overstating you by calling you a
PS> dimwit, then I would have to come up with something like "drooling
PS> cretin" or "anencephalic slack-jawed sheep" to more accurately capture
PS> your intellectual prowess or lack thereof.
I believe you have over stated his intellectual abilities and have insulted
anencephalics. Probably fence posts as well.
GZ> these are all trivial matters. The only matter that is important is
do
GZ> you believe that Jesus Christ is your personal Lord and Saviour (or
PS> No. I did once, but I got tired of believing something that personal
PS> experience showed me was a lie at best.
A deliberate attempt to control at worst.
GZ> I know you must have some question about your religious beliefs or you
GZ> probably would not be on this forum. The truth is that without Jesus
as
PS> I actually have no question at all about my religious beliefs: they're
PS> non-existant. I believe that every god ever worshipped exists in some
PS> way or another, but I feel no obligation to worship any of them for
PS> any reason at all.
PS> No, I participate here for the joys of intelligent conversation,
PS> debate, expanding my pitiful sum of knowledge, and showing up
PS> intellectual lightweights and dictatorial numbskulls for the fools that
PS> they are.
Preston,
You need to get a better audience. Your skills, while appreciated, are
wasted
on fundies. It is rather like calling in a nuclear strike to kill a gnat.
GZ> your Lord and Saviour you can reason and attempt to logicalize your
GZ> approach to denouncing Christianity but that does not make me go away
PS> I am not interested in making you go away. You are free to stay as
PS> long as you like,
Ah! Duh! They don't get it. We like the cannon fodder. Well with the
idea
that someday they will wake up. At least that is my goal and hope.
but you'll have to accept that I find your beliefs
PS> silly at best and will take great pains to call them into question at
PS> every opportunity.
You just hate him Preston. Let him feel your pain.
These
people sound like a soap opera.
PS> I do not denounce Christianity. I denounce those who insist that I
PS> must believe as they do or suffer terrible consequences.
GZ> and that certaintly does not make Jesus go away. The more disastrous
GZ> effect would for you to take that denouncement of Christianity to your
GZ> death. It would be better as if you have never been born.
PS> Ah, the threat. Truly Christian, and to tell the truth, I'd expected
PS> this.
If sugar doesn't work, USE the stick.
PS> Tell me, why would an omniscient god create me at all if he knew that
PS> I would only worship him under a fairly explicit set of circumstances
PS> that he does not at all seem to be bringing about?
You must have faith. Faith in what Glen says rather than god.
Couldn't we say that
PS> God is condemning me to hell through his refusal to provide the
PS> evidence that I require to worship him? And if this is indeed the case,
PS> isn't it true that I am being sent to hell for no reason that I have
PS> any control over?
Watch Preston I can hear the sound of neurons popping and get a faint wiff
of acetacholine.
Jump starting a fundie brain is messy business.
george
... Those who vote Republican are either very rich or very stupid.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:30:17
EID:3df4 202953c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d82
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to J.J. Hitt <=-
JH> calculators. And this is in businesses that they own and
JH> opperate where they have the freedom to use anything they
JH> choose.
PS> The rise of hand-held calculators may bring abouta subtle decline in
PS> general mathematical ability.
Preston,
Decline from where? I don't know many teenagers that can even make change.
I
know fewer teenagers that can do long division.
What really bothers me about that is who is going to determine that a computer
has made a mistake?
george
... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in protest.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Alan Hess
|Sub: Re: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:43:17
EID:d9b0 20295560
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d83
-=> Quoting Alan Hess to Fredric Rice <=-
FR> I can easilly do so simply by pointing out that you refuse to
FR> drink poison even though your occult mythologies say you can
FR> without negative consequences -- if you're a true believer, that is.
AH> At least those true believers who dance with venomous snakes in the
AH> belief that their god will protect them actually have the faith in
AH> their deity to perform that stupid act.
Alan,
Not without the help of "milking" and refrigeration.
A cold snake is a friendly snake.
george
... Those who vote Republican are either very rich or very stupid.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:46:05
EID:593f 202955c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d84
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "CHRISTOLOGY"
ML> Which is the correct version?
JS> Which ever one works best in a given application...
PS> Salad-bar Christian, are you? I am not surprised to see you take such
PS> a weak stand. After all, I expected nothing less of a coward like
PS> yourself.
Preston,
Three hundred pounds of flab with a gun, does not a man make.
george
... The Left is everyone who isn't pathologically insane. Noam Chomsky
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: DEFINITIONS
|Date: 09 Jan 96 10:48:12
EID:c267 20295600
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d85
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JB> None of his other aliases or personalities are able show any erudition
JB> either.
JS> Tsk. Tsk!
PS> Are you going to set about improving yourself, or continue making an
PS> ass of yourself?
Preston,
Give the guy some credit, he is good at making an ass out of himself.
george
... Now! Give it to me now for the love of Christ! ALN
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 10 Jan 96 09:36:30
EID:a24e 202a4c80
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d86
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to MARTY LEIPZIG <=-
ML> Nope. Just as you seem not to have a problem with being a
ML> poltroon.
JS> Poltroon, eh? Stand up and look me in the face when you say that,
JS> MISTER Leipzig! (rent-a-MILKCRATE [TM])
'Lil Fundie,
Why in front of you? Are you threatening physical violence against his
person because he stood up and called you a poltroon?
george
... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in protest.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 11 Jan 96 01:58:00
EID:24c5 202b0f40
KW>AS> altogether. Or perhaps a variation on what my wife was saying,"The
early
KW>AS> Christians didn't have to protest to stop abortions...they sure didn't
KW>AS> kill the midwives who did abortions in those early times. They led
by
KW>AS> example."
KW>They killed the midwives, calling them witches. They killed women of
KW>learning, calling them witches. They killed the herb mothers and the
KW>village wisewomen, calling them witches. As soon as they had enough
KW>converts in an area, as soon as they felt that they had the strength
of
KW>their numbers, the 'purification' begins.
KW>I'm sorry, Al, but the early xtains led by quite example only so long
as
KW>they were outnumbered and lacked political power.
But to Al , and Mike ,and any current bible thumpers , they weren't
Real True Christians , never fear , if they had their way , It would
happen again .After all the current bible ,says it Aok , to kill
off those who don't buy into their lies.
Well maybe not Al , he might think about it , but at this point in
his life , i don't think he would try to stop it.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: ROB BURCHAM
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 11 Jan 96 02:09:00
EID:304e 202b1120
RB>From a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
RB>JS> My my, 'christian', you have been here a tad too long, haven't you?
It
, by Jim Bob
RB>I must admit, Lynda does make a poor Christian. She's intelligent,
RB>doesn't suffer from bigotry and isn't a sexist. Maybe she can try
RB>harder.
She does seem to have most of her head on right , I have know
of 2 other women , who had the shit beat out of them , that went
the way of thinking for themselfs , and accept their own blunders
instead of blameing anyone other then makeing a mistake , then
correcting it.
Now if only 10^9 more women would do that.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 13 Jan 96 05:42:29
EID:b23b 202d2d40
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 5def3910
On (10 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Rob Burcham...
-=> Quoting Rob Burcham to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> I hope you can get her permission. There are a few here who
JB> need to read it too. As I told Mike, one of Leo's coworkers
JB> is out a lot right now because she is caring for her niece
JB> who (if she hasn't already) is due to deliver any time. The
JB> girl's parents threw her out for being pregnant. She's 11
JB> years old. I'd be going after the bastard that did this to
JB> her. Shit, I doubt that the kid can even SPELL pregnant...she
JB> certainly isn't even old enough to baby-sit, but here she is
JB> having a baby. Without her mother to help her. An aunt may be
JB> an acceptable substitute, but it isn't comparable to having
JB> your mother.
As if an 11-year-old doesn't have enough to deal with with the
pregnancy, she also has to deal with being thrown out in the
street by her own mother and wondering when he aunt is going to
get sick and tired of her presence, too.
Now, there's a rosey childhood.
In my day, it was assumed that a childhood was a fairly carefree
time when one could focus on simply learning a few life skills;
certainly not a time when one had to deal with questions like
"where's the next meal coming from?" or "do I still have a roof
over my head?"
I have to wonder if the mother threw her out because she didn't
want the poor little girl around her husband, tempting him even
more.
... Sacrilege: Anything damaging to things sacred, especially truth.
--- PPoint 1.98
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Reminder
|Date: 13 Jan 96 05:55:45
EID:e8a8 202d2ee0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 9a8c96be
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60671c31
On (11 Jan 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Marilyn Burge...
JH> JH>> I suspect the pork prohibition is rather lax among Moslems in
JH> JH>> India and almost totaly ignored in Malaysia and Indonesia.
MB> I have a Muslim friend who spent most of one summer in
MB> Maylasia among the Muslim people there. If I think of it,
MB> I'll ask him next time I write to him, and find out whether
MB> they observe that dietary restriction or not. My guess would
MB> be that they do observe it. I would also guess that it is
MB> observed in India, and that is perhaps one of the large
MB> bones of contention between the Hindus and Muslims.
MB> I don't write to my friend all that often, but I'll try to
MB> remember to find out what I can when I do write.
MB> If you think of it, you might inquire of me from time to
MB> time, just to jog my memory the next time I write to him.
JH> I would be interested in hearing what he has to say.
If I understand your premise, I should only have to ask him if
the Malaysian Muslims were as strict about the dietary laws as
they are in Damascus, where he is now. Correct?
... Does that imply that the opposite of CONstitution is PROstitution?
--- PPoint 1.98
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 13 Jan 96 06:01:28
EID:5acb 202d3020
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REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 606aa232
On (12 Jan 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Preston Simpson...
JH> But the story that came to mind is one I picked up only recently:
JH> Hubbard was in the military (Navy), and made many wild claims about
JH> what he did, when and where. The military will not release his
JH> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard recently claimed
JH> that he was in command of a submarine in WWI (did we even have subs
JH> then?).
Possibly. Weren't U-boats from WWI?
JH> He had explicit orders to not enter Mexican waters. He not
JH> only entered them, but (for reasons known only to him) he shelled
JH> an uninhabited island. The Mexican government was less than amused
JH> and that was the end of Hubbard's military career.
JH> I'd LOVE to know if there is any truth to that story.
With well-written material, in the same language that we all speak
today (with only very slight variations that one would expect over
an 80-year timespan, it should be fairly easy to glean the wheat
from the chaff of his life. Yet, we sit here day after day, arguing
about whether we can possibly know the intent of people who wrote in
a different language some 2000 years ago.
Is it just me, or is that a fuckin' hoot?
... "Daddy, what does '78% of C: formatted' mean?"
--- PPoint 1.98
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: FRED PHELPS
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:37:27
EID:72c4 202d0ca0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f70d39
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30f57a7f
11 Jan 96 19:55, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
LB>> Sounds like it will suit our purposes then!
LB>> (You have completely forgotten what I'm talking about, haven't
LB>> you?) (G)
DW>> It's pretty irrelevant. I ain't eatin' *anything* you two
DW>> witches cook up. :)
LB> hehehe. You realize of course, that it will now be my life's mission
LB> to FEED you, should we ever meet.
Sure I do. I hope you realize that this could all be my way of getting
out of eating my own cooking by using reverse psychology. I doubt anything
you could dream up would be worse than what I regularly cook for myself.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: LOT'S DAUGHTERS
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:39:21
EID:a5d2 202d0ce0
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11 Jan 96 20:08, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Glad to be of service. You should receive my bill shortly.
LB> Ah, my diabolical mind is at work here -- would you prefer to collect
LB> that bill in pies, or a weekend alone....with Maria? (And you thought
LB> you'd never choose to eat what I cook!)
A weekend alone with Maria...
..... I can always just put a sock in her mouth, after all.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Thanks for response!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:41:01
EID:6bd4 202d0d20
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11 Jan 96 20:22, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
LB> Just to jog your memory (deleted your CD driver, hmmph! Maybe YOU
LB> should take up cooking. hehe)
You've never actually eaten my cooking, have you?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:43:34
EID:809c 202d0d60
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f70eba
10 Jan 96 06:48, Judith Bandsma wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> just the fact that you have to lay there for two hours while the
DW>> plasma
JB> You haven't been in any of the more modern plasma labs, then.
I am in Tennessee, after all...
Seriously, it's been over a year since I donated plasma. I could be wrong
on the amount of time required. Maybe it just *seems* like 2 hours.
JB> Most now use an autopheresis machine. Takes about 45 minutes, no
JB> reading lots of arcane tubing numbers...and no hypothermia.
I was hooked up to *some* kind of machine, but I never took the trouble
to find out. The hypothermia was definitely a part of the process, though.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:45:38
EID:7bb6 202d0da0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f70f91
12 Jan 96 02:27, Asmodeus wrote to David Worrell:
D> A>> My name alone should tell you of my devilish
D> A>> background.
D>> Your pseudonym does tell us quite a lot about you, namely that
D>> you're a juvenile with delusions of grandeur. I don't think that
D>> is quite what you intended, though.
A> Since when is being aware of your strengths and weaknesses,
Being aware of what you *think* are your strengths and weaknesses is not
the same as being aware of your true strengths and weaknesses.
A> and what
A> you _truly_ stand for delusions of grandeur?
If the world you dream of, where everybody did exactly as they pleased,
ever came about, you'd be cowering in a fucking corner.
A> As for what people consider me, I care not.
Whatever you say, dipshit.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:49:04
EID:7bb6 202d0e20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f71252
12 Jan 96 02:45, Asmodeus wrote to David Worrell:
D> A>> As for what career goal I have set for myself, that is nunya,
D> A>> but I will share anyhow. (I am already grown, just getting
D> A>> some tuition togethr) I woullike to have a career in
D> A>> electronics, but I am being strongly pulled toward my favorite
D> A>> pastime-Writing.
D>> You might could manage simple electronics, as long as
D>> it's nothing more complicated than replacing a blown circuit
D>> board with a new one. Writing, on the other hand, is obviously
D>> completely beyond you.
A> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU WRITE OFF-TOPIC
A> AGAIN.
Who the fuck died and made you moderator, junior?
A> Okay, dipshit, what makes you gawd-all-knowing on this matter?
Years of studying human reaction to stimuli.
A> You sound like the type of dumbass who would fuck up his
A> motherboard by installing a new card set for the same com port as
A> another device already installed, and not even know how to
A> install a new one.
Is this the best you can do? What happened to those finely honed insult
skills you've been blathering about? Did you give them the day off?
A> And as for your writing skills, putting might and could together
A> is simply horrible, and using as long as is quite imperfect also.
A> Next time try 'so long as'.
This is not a formal writing forum, dipshit. As long as we're analyzing,
let's see what we can do with your shit...
A>> As for what career goal I have set for myself, that is nunya,
"Nunya"? Did you mean none of your business, maybe?
A>> (I am already grown,
You're grown? I though you were "Asmodeus"? There is medication available
for your multiple personality propblem.
A>> just getting some tuition togethr)
Togethr, huh? What language would that be? BTW, that whole parenthetical
clause is a complete cluterfuck.
A>> I woullike
Woullike?
D> A>> pastime-Writing.
Writing should not have been capitalized in the above.
Hmmm... I count five definite fuckups, and I gave you the benefit of the
doubt on several more. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
stones, chuckles.
Go play in traffic, little boy, and get back to us when you grow a fucking
brain.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:02:13
EID:2e07 202d1040
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f7133d
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 05137e6f
10 Jan 96 20:09, Fredric Rice wrote to David Worrell:
dw>> a semi-difficult problem. Once the chips start falling,
dw>> though, that Patriot movement will see a sharp decline
dw>> in its membership (and consequently in its GAU-8 fodder).
FR> I _still_ insist they would last 3 days, though.
I'm in a generous mood, so I'll *give* you the three days. :)
FR> The ability to hide that long in rocky mountanous environments
FR> for weeks _without_ training is possible.
So's the ability to either starve or freeze to death.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: [fwd] Pro-life Real A
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:05:32
EID:25f9 202d10a0
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REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 30f4e5d7
10 Jan 96 08:22, Don Martin wrote to Dan A. Post:
DM> only game in town in Chrisendom for some few centuries. We are to
DM> take _your_ word for it that millions of pious Christians were dead
DM> wrong and _you_ are right? Why? What makes your interpretation of
DM> the words of Jesus (and the intention behind them) superior to
DM> theirs?
Dan seems almost normal here. If you want to see *real* egotism, check
out his posts in CONSPIRACY.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:17:03
EID:44c0 202d1220
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11 Jan 96 02:53, Robert Jackson wrote to Preston Simpson:
RJ> It's the one reason why I enjoy getting my teeth cleaned.
RJ> Dental hygenists--I don't mind keeping my head perfectly
RJ> still for 'em while they reach for the back molars.
Lucky bastard. Every time I go to the dentist there's always 4 or 5 Cindy
Crawford look-alikes and one old bag that could well be Keith Richard's
grandmother.
Guess which one I *always* end up with?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: coincidence screw up
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:22:03
EID:6799 202d12c0
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11 Jan 96 05:16, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> (hand raised) "What's a firmament?"
LB> HOW LONG CAN YOU TREAD WATER??!
Wrong answer. The correct answer, as given by a fundy to whom J.J. asked
that very question, is, "FUCK YOU, YOU INCONSIDERATE PIECE OF SHIT!"
Surely the fundy wouldn't have lied to us?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:27:51
EID:7d7f 202d1360
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11 Jan 96 02:11, Robert Jackson wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> in particular spawned a rock flinging device that was a key
JH>> weapon in the mongol invasion, the spread of Islam and the
JH>> Damned if I can find the name of the thing in my dictionary, but
JH>> it wasn't the catapault (whose importance has been greatly over
JH>> emphasized by Hollywood).
RJ> Is it the trebuchet?
Only if the Mongols spoke French.
RJ> I can see the 1190-91 U-Paris catalog course offerings now:
RJ> POLI 101: Rock Collecting & Avoiding Dysentery (2hrs lec. 1hr
RJ> lab)
RJ> POLI 201: Advanced Rock Collecting & Coping with Dysentery
RJ> (1-3-3)
RJ> POLI 305: Undermining Walls and Casualty Minimization
RJ> (permission
RJ> of dean and next of kin req'd., 0-2-2)
RJ> POLI 405: Advanced Ram Techniques (1-1-2)
RJ> POLI 406: (in conjunction w/Home Econ 406) Recipes for
RJ> Cooking
RJ> Saracens (0-1-1)
The Civil Engineering program at Memphis State offers "Properties
of Concrete".
1. It's hard.
2. It's heavy.
3. Goto #1
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:50:27
EID:7bb6 202d1640
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f71e8c
12 Jan 96 00:33, Asmodeus wrote to J.J. Hitt:
J>> Writing, huh?
J>> Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension first.
A> What do you mean I should work on my reading comprehension? You asked
A> "what do you want to be when you grow up?" and I answered you. I see
A> no way I could have misinterpreted your question.
You really don't get it, do you?
We really ought to pay you a salary for providing us with such entertainment.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:53:02
EID:7bb6 202d16a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 30f71f03
12 Jan 96 00:47, Asmodeus wrote to J.J. Hitt:
A> speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you, and for
Hey! No fair! If you curse J.J., you're gonna have to curse all of us.
Why should he get all the fun?
Dipshit.
A> See you in Hell!
Even Hell has some standards - I doubt they'll let you in the door.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 13 Jan 96 02:56:34
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11 Jan 96 23:24, J.J. Hitt wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
AS>> If you want a down to earth interstellar device that could be
AS>> built in 25 years, the only candidate is an Orion ship, and
AS>> building one of those would probably equal the budget of a small
AS>> nation.
JH> I'm not familiar with the term "Orion ship".
I *think* the Orion is the one propelled by nuclear bombs. Throw a bomb
out the ass end and detonate it. Repeat as necessary.
The Orion would not be my first choice, though. It wouldn't even be in
my top ten.
JH> I can't recall ever seeing that approach to it ever addressed in
JH> fiction. And a shame, because instead of the traditional control
JH> room / cabins / hallways structure of a "ship" you'd have scattered
JH> hamlets (you'd not want your entire population in a central
JH> location, if you had an "accident" you'd lose the entire crew) on
JH> a landscape that would be constantly changing.
Try _Comet_, by David Brin (I think).
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kris OKelly
|Sub: GOD IS PURE EVIL!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 03:02:07
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11 Jan 96 17:41, Kris OKelly wrote to Martin Goldberg:
KO> he gave me a loving family plus great firends.
I've been looking for a good set of fire ends. How much would you take
for yours?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 13 Jan 96 03:07:40
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12 Jan 96 05:32, J.J. Hitt wrote to Preston Simpson:
JH> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard recently claimed
JH> that he was in command of a submarine in WWI (did we even have subs
JH> then?).
The Germans did.
JH> He had explicit orders to not enter Mexican waters. He not
JH> only entered them, but (for reasons known only to him) he
JH> shelled an uninhabited island.
It wasn't *really* uninhabited. There were evil Thetans there.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 13 Jan 96 03:10:48
EID:f7da 202d1940
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12 Jan 96 05:21, J.J. Hitt wrote to Preston Simpson:
JH>>> was a key weapon in the mongol invasion, the spread of
JH> I was thinking of the "trebuchet".
The Mongols used the trebuchet? Have you ever seen a trebuchet? You can't
exactly mount one on horseback (or even on a horse-drawn wagon).
PS>> However, I've seen diagrams of the same instrument called
PS>> by two or more different names. Medieval terminology when
PS>> describing siege engines, especially cannon later on, was
PS>> all fucked up.
JH> This too is fault of the French.
Everything bad is the fault of the French. I have it on good authority
that Jehovah is actually French.
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Re: Christmas
|Date: 09 Jan 96 01:36:15
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REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30ecc24e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Lynda Cat Herding!
LB> I'm not sure if you could find something that would *exactly* fit what
LB> you're looking for, but try asking at your Hallmark for the "Common
LB> Threads" line. They are all-purpose cards with artwork and sayings from
I find neat cards (oten nature oriented) that I can write in my own
sentiment in. You know the nifty ones with wolves, cats, whales, etc.
LB> Actually, though, homemade cards are a lot of fun to recieve! I often
LB> do the same -- and cruise the card racks for ideas. On slow days at
LB> work, I occasionally went so far as to write down phrases and sketches
LB> of designs I really liked, but that I thought I could do BETTER. (Deep
LB> dark secret there!) I also have bought the photo cards (the cover is
a
Sounds like a good idea. I have done this on occasion.
LB> It'll be nice if the day ever comes when you can just walk up to the
LB> sales person and ask straight up for Pagan based cards without having
LB> to worry about whether she'll start crossing herself or getting nasty,
LB> won't it?
I'm looking forward to this day! heh! heh! heh!
LB> Or at least a pleasant addition to one's life. I am quirky -- I avoid
LB> sending out cards at the "traditional" times of the year, but I nearly
LB> always include a funny or pretty no-purpose card, bookmark or whatever
LB> when I write someone throughout the year. I figure if they get them
LB> for no reason, they'll enjoy them more, and not feel obligated to stick
LB> me on some card list they keep as a chore.
Yeah, I love surprise cards or gifts! As money permits for postage, I
like doing this too.
... Elitist Bitch Club....only Goddesses need apply!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Re: ----
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:01:20
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Kenneth Cat Herding!
LW> Kenneth, the point is that 9 out of ten times this step-father is
LW> Christian. He believes that his God thinks this is okay. After all,
LW> many of the families in the Bible were very closely related.
KM> Is a Christian or claims to be one? Is he following Christ? Just
KM> believing in God, and going to church does not make you a Christian.
Here in lies the problem! They're born, baptized and given
Christianity, and firmly believe that they ARE Christians. In turn,
crap like rape and murder is something these people turn to and STILL
believe that they ARE Christians. I'm not saying all Christians are
this way, but a huge number of alleged Christians don't act as if they
follow the words of the Christ.
I recently completed a job assignment at the Christian Booksellers
Association where I heard first-hand of a "Christian" man there was
pressuring a young woman who worked there with sexual harrassment. And
I would bet you dimes to doughnuts he believes he's Christian.
KM> Are they really Christians? That's something I've been trying to get
KM> everyone to understand. Just going to church does not make you a
KM> Christian. Being a Christian is not a matter of belief, but rather how
The point here is that these people really believe that they ARE
Christian and that no matter what they do God and Christ will forgive
them.
KM> you live. If they are abusive to their wives and children are they
KM> living as Christ would want them to? We will all do things wrong, I'm
KM> not saying that Christian are perfect, thier not. But there is a
You're quite right Christians aren't perfect. They SHOULD be living as
examples to the rest of the world.
KM> Are they Christians or just claiming to be? Let's take a look of a
KM> favorite example in this echo. Hitler is said to have been a
KM> Christian, but Hitler was trying to create the supreme race, and while
KM> doing so tried to exterminate the Jews. Would a Christian do that?
KM> After all, Christ was Jew.
Yes, if they thought it would serve their purpose.
KM>> proves two things, one that we really need God, two that there are
a
KM>> bunch of atheist running the world.
KM> So you would rather us to still be having to attone for our sins by
KM> making daily sacrifices? BTW God is not a man.
Don't we anyway? When you sleep, you symbolically die each night. BTW
then why is God referred to as God the Father?!
KM> You haven't read the scriptures much have you?
Yes I have, but in my current move, I have not been able to access my
Bible. However, I gave it up for Lent many years ago. I am happily
Pagan, thank you.
I've been there and done the Christian thing, it hasn't done much for me.
But, I do try to keep an open mind for others opinions. Just as long
as no one tries forcing their religion(s) down my throat.
... Found God? If no one claims him in 30 days He's yours!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Re: Women's Roles
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:25:56
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Robert Cat Herding!
LW> Women have the right, IMNSHO, to be priests or any other damned thing
LW> they want to be! I appreciate your thinking on this. I quit xianity
LW> because I refused to be held down just because I was a woman. Screw
LW> that noise!! I've been much happier since I chose to follow paganism
LW> and become my own priestess.
RJ> But, why _religion_ still?
It depends on one's own perception of religion.
As my own Priestess, I can have a fun time communing with Divinity and
I don't HAVE to be in a specific place to conduct my own rites.
Overall, I can't say why religion except that it has been with us in
one form or another for a long time.
... Religious error: (A)tone, (R)epent, (I)mmolate?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Judging Others
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:32:39
EID:3ab2 20291400
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REPLY: 1:123/318.0 30ede5de
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Preston Cat Herding!
PS> I may be a hopeless bookworm, but I am not ignorant of culture.
LW> For which some of us are quite grateful.
There is little to be gained for me to sit in my room reading
PS> dusty tomes of forgotten lore all day if I can't have something nice
PS> to listen to every now and again.
It's an ugly job and somebody has to do it! I love my books
and my computer. Gives me a toe-hold in the here and now and with the
past or some other reality. (I like SF/F for the escape, and other
books for whatever knowledge I can obtain.)
... Kirk: Bones! Its a Canadian Lexicographer! McCoy: He's zed, Jim.
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Jealous God
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:39:04
EID:09e5 202914e0
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REPLY: 1:350/401.0 88FD0E40
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Dan Cat Herding!
-> On 01-04-96 11:13, Linda Whitten got back to Jesse Jones
JJ> Dan, I think you should know that Steve Quarella is posting
JJ> messages using your name, to try to make you look stupid.
LW> How do you plan on proving this? (Genuinely curious)
DC> Seems like both Steve and myself are equally curious!
I say we form a posse and ..... well, do what has to be done!
DC> ... MACARONI NETWORK: Oodles of noodles for Jesus!
Great Tagline! Consider it adopted.
... May Isis do no more than giggle politely next time you fart in public.
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Christmas
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:41:38
EID:2986 20291520
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 30f825a0
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 6007ced2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught J.J. Cat Herding!
JH>> Somehow I just can't rate greeting cards up there with
JH>> things like food, shelter and potable water.
LW> Perhaps they don't rate with food, shelter and potable
LW> water, but for some of us these would be lovely necessary
LW> items.
JH> "DAMN IT NURSE! This patient is dying! Hand me those pagan
JH> greeting cards!"
Oh damn!!! I dropped it in there. See? It's next to his spleen!
... I don't know what it is, but it's in great condition.
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Married, Will Cheat
|Date: 09 Jan 96 02:43:27
EID:33ac 20291560
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 30f825a1
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 601208ac
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught J.J. Cat Herding!
JH>> A valiant attempt at damage control, but you are still
JH>> taking on water, listing heavily to one side, leaving an
JH>> oil slick and appear to have a fire below deck.
LW> Do you think that blow to his head caused all that?
JH> What just tickles me pink is he is under the impression that
JH> the "LORD" brought him back to his senses.
Yeah. What a silly misconception!
JH> Seems to me, he didn't change his act until after *I* logged
JH> onto his BBS and reported my findings here in the echo.
JH>
JH> (Eat your heart out God Dan, I'm a LORD now.)
Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
... Deity in my own rite!
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: CHURCHES
|Date: 06 Jan 96 18:31:00
EID:bd58 202693e0
Linterah caught Gwenny Cat Herding!
Heilsa, Gwenny the Pooh!
GtP> this thread. Silly fundies, gotta love 'em. There's no resale value.
GtP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Yeppers! They make nice pets, too. Hmmmmmm.....Methinks Valhalla....
I've always wanted to pick and choose what moron...err...warrior was
s'posed to leave this earthly life!
... "Its a Mr. Death honey...he's here about an Expired Birth Certificate"
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Kris OKelly
|Sub: Re: Homosexian Christuals
|Date: 06 Jan 96 18:42:00
EID:9644 20269540
Linterah caught Kris Cat Herding!
KO> yeah god does love everyone.. but he does not like the lifestyle..
Just a wee bit judgemental aren't we?
Where in your Bible does it say that God doesn't like certain people's
lifestyles?
... Stop cashing in your reality checks! It is a futile activity.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:22:12
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MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbb
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I guess it would depend upon what is thought of a 'real'. If 'real'
JS> is merely defined as existing, then, though not necessarily by
JS> definition, but by context it is revealed.
JB> True.... Perhaps our human sensibilities require that we call "real"
JB> what is important to _us_, rather than to God....
I suppose the possibility is there as well...however, if the Bible is
the guide and determining factor, then I guess His will be done, eh?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub:
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:24:15
EID:50a3 202d8b00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbc
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
DC> support the teachings of Jesus, they _authored_ the bulk of
DC> those theories that your godling claimed as his own.
JS> Whew! Now I would like to some evidence for any of the above rubbish,
DC> The rubbish you refer to was written by Hillel.
Sounds like a mere man to me...
DC> But you, as an
DC> 'excellent debater'
I take no bows for this...
DC> and 'English Major',
You are correct, sir...
DC> never got around to reading about that did you.
Any reason I would? Is it the Bible? No. Does it reek of heretical
material? Yes.
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|From: JIM Staal
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:25:32
EID:1d55 202d8b20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbd
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Nope. Just as you seem not to have a problem with being a
ML> poltroon.
JS> Poltroon, eh? Stand up and look me in the face when you say that,
JS> MISTER Leipzig! (rent-a-MILKCRATE [TM])
GR> 'Lil Fundie,
GR> Why in front of you? Are you threatening physical violence against
GR> his person because he stood up and called you a poltroon?
Well, hello, george. No, I am merely making a statement to prove I _am_
no poltroon.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Staal RULES!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:28:50
EID:51cb 202d8b80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbe
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Jim Staal <=-
LC> Also, I would like you to consider
LC> Jude 1:9-"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil
he
LC> disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a
LC> railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
JS> What is your point here, Luke? I have used the same phrase as Michael
JS> and it served only to provoke more blasphemey from the pagans.
LC> So? The bible says jump, you jump.
I try...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Bunk!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:30:10
EID:ecd6 202d8bc0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbf
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Jim Staal <=-
LC> I don't care.
LC> That somes up my position on just about everything, actually.
JS> Hmmm...then what brings you here?
LC> This echo is hilarious.I'll get involved just for the sake of argument
LC> as well.
I see...so it is nothing personal then?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:45:09
EID:6859 202d8da0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Jim Staal <=-
JS> (Rom 9:19 NIV) One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still
JS> blame us? For who resists his will?"
JS> (Rom 9:20 NIV) But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall
JS> what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like
JS> this?'"
LC> Yes this one shall say that! The above is a cop out!
A cop out for whom?
LC> I question
LC> him.If he has any comments, he knows where to find me.
Sounds like it is starting to get personal, Luke...
JS> I used to, Luke...soem dude by the name of 'the red rooster' (a
JS> protege of Bobby the brain) used win his matches with a hold he called
JS> the 'chicken wing'.
LC> The Red Rooster? That was one of the more dim-witted gimicks the
LC> WWF had.I was referring to the move Bob Backlund will put on you
LC> if don't call him "Mister Backlund".
Oh...like MISTER Backlund? Does he have the dude stand on a Milk Crate
[TM]?
JS> (1 Cor 15:22 NIV) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be
JS> made alive.
JS> (Psa 51:5 NIV) Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my
JS> mother conceived me.
JS> King David speaking on this last one...a man the Bible calls 'a man
JS> after God's own heart'. The dude knows what he is talking about.
LC> How where they sinful.I want a reason, not mindless repitition.
When you say 'mindless repetition' it starts to sound personal, Luke.
LC> How is a child responsible for the sin of Adam.Isn't sin a
LC> choice?
Our 'original sin' in Adam is no choice for us. It was one for him, but
in making his choice, he made it for all who were to come after him. A
child is responsible for the sin of Adam because God said he/she is. He
does make the rules, ya know...:)
JS> No claim is made that this is going to satisfy man's logic or sense
of
JS> justice. It doesn't have to. God's logic and justice are beyond
JS> question.
LC> For you.That's a slave mentality, that won't question his master.
When you say 'slave mentality' it sounds like it is getting personal,
Luke. In any event, the questions were there once, and then answered
when that scripture was read.
LC> How did they sin?
JS> By impution through their father, Adam.
LC> I'm sure Hitler used a similar rationalization to justify the
LC> Holocaust.
I neither know nor care how that heinous individual rationalized his
sorry actions. That is of no concern to me. I cannot do any thing about
that. It is history. I can only do what I can to prevent it from
happening in my town, in my lifetime.
LC> And, as a refutation of this, I present Matthew 18:14
LC> "Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that
LC> one of these little ones should perish."
JS> The key phrase here is 'who believe in me'. In this case, these
JS> already have faith of their own. We are speaking about children of the
JS> unsaved who, themselves have not yet reached this point.
LC> And how could the children of Pagan's have reached that point?
When they reach the age of reason? Or as infants...if the former, well:
(Rom 1:18 NIV) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against
all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by
their wickedness,
(Rom 1:19 NIV) since what may be known about God is plain to them,
because God has made it plain to them.
(Rom 1:20 NIV) For since the creation of the world God's invisible
qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen,
being understood from what has been made, so that men are without
excuse.
If the latter, the parents must carry full brunt of that one because if
they had believed, then the infants would have been saved as well.
LC> Your god didn't seem to care.All he seemed to care about what was
LC> vengeance, regardless of who he hurt.
Not necessarily vengeance as you may think of it but rather justice:
These are the rules, you break 'em, this is the punishment. Everybody
breaks the rules by nature. I have provided a way out. If you do not
take it, the punishment stands.
JS> It was perfect in that it had no sin. Adam made a choice. That choice
JS> affected the entire universe and everything in it.
LC> You agree sin is a choice.How could the babies make that choice?
Adam had the choice in regard to this 'original sin' thing. We have no
choice about that. Everybody is afficted, like it or not.
LC> (This is interesting, as it applies to the Fundamentalist Pro-Life
LC> agenda)
In what manner? (I have thoughts on this, but I would like to hear yours
as well)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:49:22
EID:8bd7 202d8e20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc1
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Jim Staal <=-
FR> Greetings, "Staal." Which one of you have I contacted this time?
The one you addressed your post to, silly...
FR> Actually I ___refuse___ to let you leave,
FR> let alone condone your ejection.
Well isn't that special...
FR> You're staying right here until you publically apologize to
FR> Gwenny
For...?
FR> AND you apologize to the forum at large for your homophobic
FR> bigotry and hatred.
I do not possess either. You should apologize to each and every
Christian who has ever had the misfortune to stumble into here for
_your_ heinous and wretched bigotry and hatred towards them...
FR> You're staying right here so that everyone who
FR> comes through this forum can see _EXACTLY_ what damage Christianity
FR> can do to someone.
And that would be...?
BJ> Brrrr. Shiver. Tell it to Hector Plasmic, an obvious phony
FR> Yo, Promise Keeper! The better educated _know_ who he is. He's in
FR> the fucking nodelist, you know.
So!?
FR> More importantly, he doesn't post
FR> under a bunch of names
One...a bunch...what's the difference?
FR> and then deny taking responsibility for what he
FR> says when he uses an alias.
Who does this?
FR> _AFTER_ I have your apologies on my computer here _THEN_ you may
FR> leave.
As if you have anything whatsoever to say about it....
FR> Or be ejected.
Over your puny twitching form...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:56:46
EID:a63b 202d8f00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Preston Simpson <=-
GR> Three hundred pounds of flab with a gun, does not a man make.
Interesting...you can conjure up some false impression of me, but refuse
my many invites to breakfast so the awful truth can be known once and
for all...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: DEFINITIONS
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:58:35
EID:3d63 202d8f40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc3
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Preston Simpson <=-
GR> @MSGID: 1:228/500.0 30f69d85
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JB> None of his other aliases or personalities are able show any erudition
JB> either.
JS> Tsk. Tsk!
PS> Are you going to set about improving yourself, or continue making an
PS> ass of yourself?
GR> Preston,
GR> Give the guy some credit, he is good at making an ass out of himself.
And I am to be judged by your personal criteria? You don't even know me,
yet you judge me. You don't even have the guts to come to breakfast.
(I'll buy) and yet you judge me. Tsk.
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|From: Jm Staal
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:14:27
EID:1e76 202d91c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc4
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Al Schroeder <=-
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
AS> culpable in itself, but if you saw it, do YOU think he was being
AS> deliberately cruel to Shelby?
JB> I don't know about Lynda, but I sure do. (In case you haven't seen it,
JB> she had both those posts archived that I asked for)
JB> A simple condolences AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME would have been more than
JB> sufficient. Theological rant could be saved for a later time. No
JB> matter what the deceased's beliefs or religion, Shelby's position on
JB> those is a matter of record, even in the original post. And it was
JB> Shelby and his wife who needed to hear that others supported them in
JB> their pain.
JB> It would be in the same vein as me asking you how you felt knowing
JB> your father was worm food now that he was dead, when you are still in
JB> the first shock of grief of losing him.
JB> Anyone with an ounce of compassion would have left it alone, Al. I
JB> think you know that.
As I know you have twitted my name, I have used this as an alias. The
actual truth need be known as you continue to rant this incoherentcy:
My (Jim Staal) personal reply to Shelby:
SS>> He did quit, but the damage was done. Thanks for your concern,
SS>> christian.
What's to concern? The guy is dead, already. History. Toast. I'm sorry
for his survivors who have to deal with the loss. I'm sorry the man
suffered as he did (I don't know why alleged doctors don't do something
for the pain. Lon's father, the same way: the man screams in pain and
they do nothing for it), but hating me or God won't change that.
----====the end====----
The original post from Lon Mabon that you are harranguing over:
Ä Area: HolySmoke
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 3782 Date: 18 Dec 95
13:27:24
From: Lon S. Mabon Read: Yes Replied:
No
To: Shelby Sherman Mark:
Subj: Holiday Greetings...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
ÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Lon S. Mabon <=-
SS> @MSGID: 1:123/67 30d32c78
SS> 14 Dec 95 14:49, quoting Lon S. Mabon to Shelby Sherman:
LM> Was your FAther in law a Christian when he died? If so, God was
LM> there, gently escorting him through the valley of the shadow of death.
SS> This is a goddamn lie of the worst sort.
No, it's the truth.
None: (Psa 116:15 NIV) Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death
of his saints.
---===end===---
Give it a rest already, and quit distorting the truth for once. Again,
if you want lack of compassion, read the words of your own 'george
rudzinski to Lon over the condition of Lon's father...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:10:19
EID:076e 202d9140
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffc5
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Preston Simpson <=-
JS> I am an inerrantist. II Timothy 3:16 with emphasis on the 'all'.
LB> But, by golly, Samson's power really WAS in his hairdo, and you'll
LB> burn if you say otherwise!!!
You have any evidence to support this claim? If so, trot it out here and
we'll take a look at it...
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: ROB BURCHAM
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 13 Jan 96 21:09:15
EID:9711 202da920
MSGID: 1:147/48 1f34de55
TID: GE 1.2
-> Would you prefer that 'anti-Christ' people were NOT allowed
-> to voice their opinions? I thought Winter was into censorship
-> bigtime? That's hardly the case here.
Hi Rob
I'd prefer you not ask me stupid questions.
-> What does Cult Watch have to say about the Christian cult?
Which "Christian cult" are you referencing? There's several.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Homosexual christians?
|Date: 13 Jan 96 21:11:41
EID:f000 202da960
MSGID: 1:147/48 1f34de56
TID: GE 1.2
-> Abraham, take your only son, whom thou lovest, and offer him as a
-> burnt sacrifice to me.
Pooh Bear
It never happened.
Les
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: evolution
|Date: 13 Jan 96 23:31:16
EID:d00c 202dbbe0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f738
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 7dd7746b
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
John Brawley wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
FR> Brawley is just another ignorant Creationist who happens to violate
FR> physics differently than Christanic death cultists do. Nothing else
FR> is different.
JB> Get a life, Freddie; you're obviously radically out of the loop.
Brawley...you've been out of the 'loop' the first time you pointed your
little baby fingers up at a man walking down the street and asked, "Da Da?"
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: Re: Authority
|Date: 13 Jan 96 01:26:00
EID:a80a 202d0b40
-> SM> Hierarchy of any kind is a degeneration; we humans need to
-> suspend its SM> use as quickly as possible. We won't survive as a
-> race unless we do.
-> Spoken like a true socialist.
I was once a socialist. What he is saying is NOTHING like socialism.
It is in fact anarchism.
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Kenneth McAbee
|Sub: ----
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:34:00
EID:c6ac 202d5440
-> Actually to put it in a nut shell, Satan deceives you into not
-> believing in God
Nonsense. Why do we need Satan to tell us to do what we would do anyway
as part of our "God" given nature? Given that we have free will, and
that evidences of God are far from obvious, that some people do not
believe in God is only natural.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: UFO AREA 51
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:46
EID:b042 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e2
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "UFO AREA 51"
DD> Most cases the UFO's just hover. However, once in a while the
DD> UFO would just leave this earth into space.
PS> I knew it. Duke's a UFO nut. That explains his keen grasp of the
PS> patently absurd.
AS> He's changed his mind; last year, he was telling those of us in a
AS> local Fidonet religion echo that they were angelic chariots. That's
AS> what I was EXPECTING him to tell us about...
Is there no end to his inanity?
... Error #666: Hard Drive Possessed. Load EXOR.SYS (Y/n)?
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: RE: ASKING SILLY QUESTION
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:46
EID:a99b 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e3
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "RE: ASKING SILLY QUESTION"
PS> Of course he cheats, he's the father of lies. But he's too good to be
PS> caught and the IRS is in his pay anyway.
AS> Makes PERFECT sense.
Of course. Would I lie to you?
... Unspeakable error in module Cthulhu at address R'lyeh.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:47
EID:49c1 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e4
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "HEAVENLY AND DAZED"
AS> Too true. But slowly, oh so slowly, attitudes change. I can remember
Yes, over a period of decades (if not centuries). Each generation has
the skulduggery of those before to overcome.
PS> Yes, it is, but I think it's a better solution. Most people don't seem
PS> to have the patience needed for the job.
AS> Patience is always in short supply. It's one of the things _I_ have,
AS> though.
Good. You need it to get through this echo without screaming.
AS> Night of the Living Deists.
PS> Let's just bury this one quietly, shall we?
AS> That's a rotten thing to say...very cryptic. (Yes, another pun thread
AS> started...)
PS> You know what'll happen. Somebody will exhume this, it'll spread, and
PS> before we know it, everyone will be caught in its wake.
AS> Not if we shroud it from public view.
Before long, someone else will be coffin it up.
... Eat right, get lots of exercise...die anyway.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:47
EID:4bcc 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e5
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "OPINION POLL"
AS> Vicarious verbal evisceration. Say THAT three times fast.
PS> Nah. I have enough trouble managing such witticisms as "Where the hell
PS> is your evidence?"
AS> More to the point, too.
Yeah, but you can't tease anybody's lack of vocabulary with such questions.
AS> between the products of the hand and the products of the mind was
AS> simply the mindset of Greece and much of the ancient world. As another
This is true. Ancient history isn't really my forte, though. Been busy
studying other things.
AS> person noted, the Chinese used gunpowder for
AS> entertainment---skyrockets--not weapons. Maybe the ancients were wiser
AS> than we knew...
Possibly, but I have also heard that they used it to attempt to repel the
Mongols, who may have responded in kind and perhaps with firearms.
PS> No, not at all. My computer is *not* a toy. It is an instrument, a
PS> tool, a weapon of war, and a really neat thing to play games on.
AS> Tell me about it. "Daddy, can I use the computer? I wanna play where
AS> in the world is Carmen Sandiego!" Can't he see I'm in the middle of
AS> playing MYST?
My parents got "Where in the world..." for me when I was younger.
Wasn't much of a challenge as I didn't have to refer to the enclosed World
Almanac.
... You know it's a bad day when: Suicide Prevention puts you on hold.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: PERSEVERE
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:47
EID:e2b4 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e6
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "PERSEVERE"
JS> To quote the right honorable Jimmy Swaggart, 'It's just none of your
JS> business', Hector.
AS> Right honorable? JIMMY SWAGGART????
You heard it here first. Staal is positively gooey over Swaggart.
... "Ah'm thinkin'!... And muh head hurts." - Yosemite Sam
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:47
EID:f7e7 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e7
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "REDACTED STORIES"
PS> More fodder for the home fires?
AS> JJ tells me it was a newspaper serial, never to be ended, so I guess
AS> it's like looking for literary jewels in Dick Tracy. (Varney the
AS> Vampire, that is.)
A horrid thought.
PS> Actors are actors. Some of 'em are good, but I see no reason to throw
PS> money away to see them in person unless I'm *really* fond of them--and
PS> none of my cinema idols shows up at such places.
AS> Barb likes some soap opera stars, and has met a lot of them and even
AS> corresponded with some of them by e-mail.
Are they decent, sociable people in person?
... Conan the Librarian....."Yo book iz ovadue!"
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: STALL _IS_ A PIG!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:47
EID:17d7 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e8
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "STALL _IS_ A PIG!"
AS> It could be worse. It could be ninth circle.
PS> It would just be cold there. I could learn to ice skate, though.
AS> Figure eights in front of Satan to keep him entertained. Hey, maybe
AS> that's what Tonya Harding may be doing, someday!
Then I'll be moving away from the Ninth Circle to someplace more
pleasant. Akron, OH, perhaps.
... TV Truth: Haunted houses are never locked.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: SWIM, LITTLE FISHY.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:a508 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6e9
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "SWIM, LITTLE FISHY."
PS> That about sums it up.
AS> I think it was John D. McDonald who said to determine the IQ of a
AS> crowd, take the average IQ and divide it by the number of people in
AS> it...
An astute observation at any time.
PS> Stay away from pasty-faced green-haired guys with manic grins.
AS> Or keep the Bat-signal handy.
"Joker stealing the family heirlooms again? Kidnapping the children,
perhaps? Then you need the amazing new BAT-SIGNAL!"
PS> This doesn't seem to be too far-fetched, actually. Frightful.
AS> I've seen their opposite number, at some churches. It's not pretty.
So have I, and I concur.
PS> There are some Things That Man Was Not Meant To Know.
AS> That's what my wife keeps telling me...
Don't push her. Women are dirty fighters when cornered. Trust me.
PS> Nah. Analyzing dead people, while a fascinating hobby, doesn't strike
PS> me as particularly lucrative or profitable in most cases.
AS> Only if you write an Elvis biography...
Oh, but he isn't dead. No, the Illuminated Ones have
put him on special assignment on another plane.
... Famous last words #11: No, it's NOT loaded.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: THE ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY 6/
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:19d1 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6ea
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "THE ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY
6/"
PS> Because we've got all the power and we know everything, just
like
PS> the Illuminati.
AS> Do Illuminati glow in the dark?
No, but only because they don't exist. Really.
AS> Seems I heard there is something mysterious, no one knows where she
AS> is lately...
Maybe they're starting their own religion.
PS> The mystery would never be solved, and I wager that someone would say
PS> that the fool in question was "translated" directly to Heaven.
AS> If they are wearing cement overcoats up there....
I've heard that he was either in a highway pylon or at the 35 yard line
at Giants Stadium.
... Cthulhu eh? If he's so powerful why is he so ugly?
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:0fc6 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6eb
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."
PS> drives, for example), but not when putting together a set of
PS> bookshelves.
AS> Barb does that, and she is actually a better fix-it person than yours
AS> truly.
Lately, though, my system is dying. There's little I can do for it and
it's a bit depressing, but I was surprised that it lasted this long.
One isn't supposed to upgrade a Packard Bell system, yet I've done so
anyway. Extensively.
PS> I've gotten past it. If I can't beat 'em with fists, I'll use
PS> words.
AS> We're glad you've gotten past it, anyway.
Mostly, anyhow.
... P.E.T.A. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:7584 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6ec
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lighter Religions"
As> As for Carbon dating it has proven that the Earth is many billions of
As> years old, not merely thousands,
ML> All the superstitious nonsense aside, you are quite in error
ML> with this statement. The half-life of 14C is 5,730 years; and
ML> as such, is only useful in determining the age of organic
ML> remains to about 45,000 YBP.
I falsely asserted that this date was 10,000 years. I throw myself upon
the mercy of the court, citing my tender years and the fact that most of
my soi-disant science "education" came from a fundamentalist school and
that I have not yet had the opportunity to rectify the situation as I
would like.
... It is a rather pleasant experience to be alone in a bank at night.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:3abb 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6ed
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "WHY"
PS> Pity. Here, we go in for the sledgehammer, belt sander, chainsaw, and
PS> ever-popular weed-eater of truth.
ML> And, don't forget, the ever-so-ever popular speeding Kenworth
ML> of reality.
That too. It makes such a lovely sound when smashing the fragile constructs
of faith.
... Kinky is using a feather, perverted is using the whole chicken.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: GAY GENE
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:48
EID:b546 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6ee
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "GAY GENE"
PS> Did it have anything through the screen?
DW> I didn't lay a hand on it - I swear.
Sure. I'll take your word for it.
PS> Productivity's gone up 150% or so?
DW> Try sliding that decimal over one place to the right.
Egads.
... Intel Inside: Warning Label.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:49
EID:08cc 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6ef
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "White-lighter Religions"
A> can not say so for devils. I call upon these beings in rituals and I
A> see first hand my work being accomplished.
DW> Not another one...
DW> Got any evidence for these "devils" you speak of?
Damn the FIDO monster. I missed the message quoted above
and wish I hadn't.
... Speed doesn't kill, running into slow things kills.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:49
EID:fdf6 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6f0
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Jesse Christ Jones"
RJ> a "soul"--but I would think one of the attributes of this
RJ> soi-disant (now Preston's got me doing it) soul would be some
I hadn't said it in weeks, and now, when I have *one* moment of
weakness, you crucify me.
RJ> sense of guilt, instead of being a sociopath. I mean, it's
RJ> gotta take seriously dysfunctional socialization skills to
Socialization? Pshaw. It takes serious dysfunction.
... "Never frighten a little man. He'll kill you." -L. Long
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:49
EID:0570 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6f1
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "OPINION POLL"
PS> I still fail to understand exactly why people can be so preoccupied
PS> with something that can't be measured and hasn't any evidence to
PS> support its existence.
RJ> Because, as humans who can conceive abstractions in their
RJ> minds, they think that means something more than what it is.
"There's got to be more! There's just gotta!"
RJ> They're smart enough to think of intangible concepts, but not
RJ> sophisti- cated enough to realize that it isn't "magical".
A small problem with intelligence, but one that is fairly easily overcome.
... Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable prizes.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:49
EID:b95a 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6f2
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Bible Follies"
PS> True, true. Nobody here ever objects to our lectures, no matter how
PS> "obscene" they get. It seems that most of the students here are grown
PS> up enough to realize that they're just words.
RJ> There's still a Baptist population problem in Memphis, though.
True. But our school doesn't get harrassed by any of the overly-religious.
'Cept for those times when Tony Alamo's people manage to breach the
security (not that hard) and post flyers on about half the cars in the
parking lot before they run away. Cowards.
RJ> Of course, there's also enough Baptist colleges that they can
RJ> stay insulated in their pseudoproper world and away from
RJ> people who think college is more than a place to find a
RJ> spouse.
Yes indeedy. It must be a hard life, having to think only in
specified places at certain times.
... [WINTER] virus: Ah kerse yer hard drave in tha name of tha Laaaaaard.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Believe On Jesus Christ!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:49
EID:0cfa 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6f3
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Believe On Jesus Christ!"
PS> Bravo, Robert. Well-said and well-executed.
RJ> Wow. That got on the net fast. Mail's been pretty quick
RJ> lately. But anyway, I'm glad you got a kick out of it--I
RJ> figured someone would like it.
I did. Enjoyed it immensely.
... "Natural laws have no pity." -- Heinlein
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Homosexual christians? N
|Date: 14 Jan 96 05:11:50
EID:4a57 202e2960
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f8d6f4
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Gwenny the Pooh mumbled "Homosexual christians?
N"
PS> We did indeed. Apparently, _Time_ magazine is being taken as an
PS> authoritative source on historical and scientific info these days. Wish
PS> someone had let us nasty ol' non-Christians know about this.
GtP> _TIME_ is an authoritative sourse for anything?? Okay. Whatever.
GtP> Next they'll be quoting _MAD_.
Nah, they wouldn't admit to reading _MAD_.
PS> Welcome to the jungle. Here's your flamethrower.
GtP> Thanks. Point me at a fundy.
There.
... tros yna fo segassem cinatas on sniatnoc egassem sihT
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|From: Charles Rollins
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Re: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 14 Jan 96 00:09:34
EID:71ed 202e0120
MSGID: 1:279/14.3 30f87814
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 05957da8
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8520
-=> Quoting Styx Allum to All <=-
SA> Re: HOLYSMOKE Echo Guidelines
SA> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
SA> Basic Disclaimer:
SA> The opinions expressed in this echo are those of the writers
SA> identified in the header of each message. No other responsibility
SA> is expressed or implied for the content of the messages in this echo.
SA> Rules to Follow:
SA> [1] Please refrain from attempting to force your ideas on others,
SA> or to be deliberately disruptive in the echo.
SA> Those who engage in such activity may find their feed to this
SA> echo terminated.
SA> [2] As is customary in echomail, private messages are not allowed.
SA> [3] If you wish to post messages on this echo please try to keep
SA> your comments and ideas on a rational level. This will help
SA> to facilitate an open and free flowing dialogue.
SA> Please refrain from entering statements like:
SA> "I know I'm right and everyone who thinks otherwise is stupid!"
SA> or
SA> "You're gonna burn in hell if you don't accept god."
SA> Such messages only serve to irritate others, and do little
SA> more than to raise the noise level of the echo.
SA> [4] Attempt to quote only relevant text, in order to make your
SA> messages more legible, and to lessen the burden on those
SA> who pay to move each byte posted in this conference.
SA> [5] Deliberate censorship of wording contained within a quote
SA> attributed to another in this echo is expressly forbidden.
SA> Echo Purpose: (To let you hear what you just said) ;-)
SA> This echo provides an open forum where one can argue for or against
SA> religion(s). Both religious and anti-religious views are allowed.
SA> Atheists, agnostics, religious right-wingers, bible babblers,
SA> bible bashers, preachers of doom, echovangelists, conservatives,
SA> liberals and those with (hopefully curable) crucifixation are welcome
SA> in HOLYSMOKE. (As long as they abide by the guidelines above!)
SA> Enjoy and happy debating!
SA> Styx Allum, Moderator (1:152/20)
SA> P.O. Box 5150
SA> Eugene, OR 97405-0150
Your rule #3 is directed to Christians and your last paragraph above already
cuts down Christians "bible bashers, preachers of doom echovangelists, etc.
But you say nothing about the other users who use profanity regularly to
bash God and Christians so even your rules are discriminate. Isn't the
fact that the frequent use of profanity here is also just as disruptive?
I'm stopping my feed to this echo myself, you don't have to bother.
... "God is Dead" - Nietzsche ::: "Nietzsche is Dead" - God
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: role model for Maria
|Date: 14 Jan 96 12:53:47
EID:6aca 202e66a0
MSGID: 5:7107/21.0 f97b2e0
Hello Judith!
Elizabeth II Windsor seems to live the same kind of 'dutiful'
existence our Maria is promoting - according to a newly published
book "Elizabeth, a Biography of her Majesty the Queen" by Sarah
Bradford. A good many of Prince Philip's 'fancies' are mentioned
by name and number, but then "Theirs is a very royal marriage.
Elizabeth's generation was not brought up to expect fidelity
but loyalty. The queen sees, but she does not want to know, taking
it all in her stride. Nor does she want to be told."
Philip is portrayed as restless and independent, but often rough
and ill mannered - and always 150% male.
"Although the queen finds her husband difficult, she adores him
and defers to him. They understand each other on a deep level
and the marriage works. It is as if she thinks that's how husbands
are supposed to behave".
I guess human dignity is a very subjective thing :-)
... Greetings from Mimi
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: PLURAL
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:49:24
EID:98f4 202e5e20
MSGID: 5:7107/21.0 f97b2e1
Hello Judith!
Judith Bandsma wrote in a message to Marilyn Burge:
MB> Why are you so sure that his musician persona is any more real
MB> than any of his other personae?
JB> I'm not. It's just that I would have expected another
JB> musician to know that...I KNEW Staal wouldn't have a clue.
1 opus, 2 opera..... I do hope it is your poker-faced sense of
humour we see a sample of here ;-)
Julius Caesar would have said: 2 operis
but then he might have been tone-deaf for all I know
... Greetings from Mimi
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: redefined Hell
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:02:53
EID:6b37 202e5840
MSGID: 5:7107/21.0 f97b2e2
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 30f60cd5
Hello Gwenny!
Gwenny the Pooh wrote in a message to Mark Drake:
GtP>> I worship the Earth. She exists and all we have comes from Her.
MD> Not to mention, we all return to her.
GtP> Yep....no matter how hard they try, they'll eventually
GtP> return to the elements from which they came.
GtP> ... Death is the end of one illusion and the beginning of another.
Looks like the Church of England is starting to view Hell in more or
less the same way as atheists/agnostics/wiccans have been perceiving
death all along:
a) the convinced CoE-members wind up in Abraham's lap,
b) all the rest of us give back our molecules to nature, and our
souls stop existing. Full stop, no fire and brimstone.
A brief article here in South Africa mentioned the official CoE report
"The Mystery of Salvation" by the Doctrine Commission, which was
released to the public on Jan-11-96. The report says further: "the
sadistically expressed views of eternal suffering and torment have
inflicted searing psychological scars on many". But it adds: "Final
judgment remains a reality. Hell is a state of annihilation, or
total non-being, the final and irrevocable choosing of that which is
opposed to God so completely and so absolutely that the only end is
total non-being". And heaven? "Everlasting participation in the life
of God".
... Greetings from Mimi
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 05 Jan 96 15:37:00
EID:5227 20257ca0
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa853
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
DC>-> On 12-19-95 20:52, Richard Morrison got back to Fredric Rice
DC>
DC> FR>Murder innocent men and women,
DC>
DC> RM> How do you know they were innocent?
DC>
DC>Got any evidence to show that they weren't?
Are YOU innocent?
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
* CMPQwk 1.42 130
-=> It is easier to be critical than to be correct. <
--- InterEcho 1.14
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Austin Ziegler
|Sub: Assistance Requested:
|Date: 05 Jan 96 17:10:00
EID:86e7 20258940
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AZ>I'm arguing the abortion topic with a fundie on another sub, and he
What's a fundie?
AZ> "The First Three Months" (or "The First Ninety Days", I'm not sur
AZ>published by Focus on the Family. Any information about FotF and th
AZ>bias on issues would be appreciated (yes, Gwenny, I'm looking for i
AZ>from you (-:
Maybe it would be better if you read their material and then followed up
with their references and see if they are right for yourself... Sure is
a lot better then believing hear-say.
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Fictional Tomb
|Date: 05 Jan 96 17:13:00
EID:396c 202589a0
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DM> BB> "Most scholars"? What, pray tell are you referring to? Names
DM> BB> And don't give me the so-called scholars of the Jesus Seminar
DM> BB> other unscientific drivel.
DM>
DM> Marilyn Burges recently posted the names and credentials of the
DM>members of the Jesus Seminar right here. Out of curiousity, why do
DM>you refer to them as "so-called"? And, before you proceed, would yo
DM>mind sharing your credentials, degrees, etc.?
Don, quit changing the subject... can you say, "red herring"...? Thought
so.
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 05 Jan 96 17:28:00
EID:7614 20258b80
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Hi Camodeus,
Seems like a bunch of garbage if you ask me. Of course since you posted
to all I think I'll take it that way...<
Have a nice life...
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
* CMPQwk 1.42 130
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Look under a rock
|Date: 05 Jan 96 17:49:00
EID:c0d4 20258e20
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa897
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
Hello Lynda,
LB> ML> RM> Actually Mary
LB> ML> ^^^^
LB> ML> "Marty", you incredible nincompoop.
LB>
LB> RM> type-o maybe, or actually I was thinking you were a woman? Are
LB> RM> Maybe you are and don't know it... < Actually I know that
LB>
LB>Richard, why is it that the *possibility* of someone being a woman
LB>such a great insult that THAT is the one you continually go for?
Good grief Lynda, don't be so sensitive. You also say, "continually", I
say get off this train.
LB> Wouldn't a simple, "Oops, sorry about that" have been
LB>more to the point?
Not in Holy Smoke... < Haven't seen much of that round here...
LB> If you can't manage to acknowledge even trivial errors,
LB>how is anyone supposed to give you credibility regarding more impor
LB>matters?
Whoa! Yea right. Maybe you should read *all* that I wrote before making
an accusation. I don't care to get peoples names wrong, their real names
that is, which is quite contrary to many around here. Can you say glass
house? Maybe not you but be careful who you defend.
LB>I'm in the process of hunting one down -- if I find it, I'll save y
LB>trouble -- if you find it first and don't mind the typing, I'll gla
LB>you do so. Unfortunately, they don't appear to have an online pres
Ok, I can do that... I don't think I'll type the entire thing in since
it is huge. However certainly the points of interest will be typed including
Christian orgs as well as NON-Christian orgs... That way when stones are
cast, we can have a full line up. (I say this since one of the main reasons
for this conference is to cast stones or criticize others.)
LB>Unnecessary obnoxiousness there.
As compared to what? Have you been reading many of the messages posted
here as well as to me? whoa!
LB> It was a fair question on Marty's part,
Yea right! And none of mine are?!
LB> You seem less
LB>certain, and are dipping into annoying behavior to cover your trac
What tracks? None needed... I don't know if it is or isn't. My certainty
"seeming" has nothing to do with... Don't assume Lynda, ask... Isn't that
what you are leading up to with me?
LB> RM> So what's the problem with him coming here? Maybe this place i
LB> RM> actually as popular as folks might thing... < he he... Actu
LB>
LB>THAT'S right, Richard -- all these hundreds of posts a day are just
LB>you into thinking that it's an active echo. Uh huh.
blah blah blah.... out of *all* the millions of people in the country/world?
blah blah blah.
LB> RM> probably won't be until Frederick Rice gets his desire to see
LB> RM> Christian commit suicide "live"... that's sick... Oh well, he
LB>
LB>It's only sick if you're sure it would result in a death.
?? Where are you from....?
Committing suicide means death. Attempting suicide is another story... Don't
you think it's sick as well to see someone attempt it? Oh, that must be
ok and *fun* to watch.... Lynda, I really think you should *think* more
about what you say before doing so.
LB>In other words, you know as well as I do that if even the most devo
LB>Christian in the world drinks poison, they are going to be deader t
LB>doornail, Scripture and faith regardless.
So what's *your* point? Never mind.
LB>You know, if Christians would just
LB>ADMIT THIS instead of dancing around in circles about it, the cries
LB>drink, I'll serve" would have long ago been silenced.
Yea right! If "they" would do this and if "they" would do that then we
would like them better... blah blah blah... you people will never be happy
with Christians unless they give up their faith. blah blah blah... Quit
expecting Christians to deny what they believe in in order to meet up to
*your* expectations.
Now deboarding....
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Consider...
|Date: 05 Jan 96 17:58:00
EID:7255 20258f40
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RS>The fact that your god knows everything before it happens makes abs
RS>free-will a nice and fuzzy illusion at best. Can't you see that yo
RS>anything your god did not already know you would do? If you did do
RS>that your god did not know you would do [aboslute free-will] you'd
RS>him which just so happens to be an impossibility in the current exa
RS>your god is perfect and knows everything].
I know where you are coming from with this however it's a circular argument
and you can keep chasing your tail on it if you like. Like I said, 'free
will' and 'divine election' is something that is even highly debated among
those with faith in Jesus Christ so trying to nail it down here would be
like putting on a roof during a hurricane.
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: [1/2] HOMOSEXUAL CHRISTIA
|Date: 05 Jan 96 18:08:00
EID:78c7 20259100
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SS> RM> Can you tell me, who's signature is on my paycheck... ?
SS>
SS> RM> didn't think so...
SS>
SS>Clearly you just don't get it.
Clearly I do get it, two times a month on the 1st and the 15th. :-)
SS>We all, as taxpaying citizens, pay your salary.
btw: I pay taxes too... shhhh! Don't tell anyone...
SS>The name of the clerk who
SS>signs your check is not important
Sound the alarm!!! Someone let a 'clerk' sign my check, oh no, the US Treasurer
must not be in.... Oh no.... It's not a clerk that signs the check...
SS>the fact that the money in the
SS>account from which you are paid comes from all of us *is* important
Yes and so does the money that the states and gov't spend on your roads
and sidewalks and a lot of other stuff... What's the point?
Sally, I know what you mean. I don't disagree. This all started over someones'
hyperphopia of Christians *being* Christians in the military. I know I'm
a public servant as well as all of Congress and even Mr. Bill. Also, if
there is a problem with providing accountability it's with the ones that
have the power to allocate funds, the Congress and Mr. Bill. So, that's
a dead issue. I don't disagree with you I think the point just needs to
be made that I'm a tax payer too as well as a citizen of this great Nation
and just cause I'm in the military doesn't mean that I have to give up
my religious rights nor my rights to support certain political views or
to disagree with those that hold views opposite of my own, including my
commander in chief. This does not mean that I won't follow orders or operate
in a capacity other then my oath has determined. I've said it many times
and each time I say it I focus on the words and make sure that I *mean*
them so that I won't get out of line with my commitments. If I can't support
it then I would get out. Agreeing politically with my leaders isn't part
of the oath nor will I pretend that I should.
regards Sally
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Gary Glunz
|Sub: Homosexual christians? N
|Date: 05 Jan 96 19:05:00
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GG> RM> Besides, if the "big bang" happened instead of a creator where
GG> RM> elements come from that came together to cause the 'big bang'?
GG> Elements were not involved in it. They didn't form until after
GG> plasma was created.
Then what caused the bang?
GG> RM> From
GG> RM> the Creator.
GG>
GG> Why is this necessary?
Guess you'll have to quote more...
GG> RM> people on the moon but that's nothing
GG> Why is this so? Isn't it a start - however humble? Were not
It sure is a start... a marvelous one at that...
GG>Why so pessimistic?
Not.
GG>RM> and the stars etc. btw: It's written, that when God was done cr
GG> RM> everything, he said:
GG>
Well thanks for making that clear.
GG> Why not just cast off your chains and let your mind open?
It's *is* open Gary. That's why I chose believing in Jesus and being 'born
again'. Cause I could think for myself and make my own decisions and you
know, I still do. I just base them on God's wonderful plan now instead
of my own sinful nature...
Being a believer in God and Jesus doesn't make one out to having a closed
mind. On the other side however, some peoples minds are so open their brains
leak out.
ttyl
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 05 Jan 96 19:08:00
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ML> Can we say "tautology"?
ML> Didn't think you could.
wait... tau...t....ol...oooooogy.... yea, I DID IT >>>>G<<<<< he he he..
ML> Onward Christian soldiers...like the Iraqi army.
buy a jeep...
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Piscatorial paradox...Act
|Date: 05 Jan 96 19:19:00
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ML>
ML> RM> < Actually I know that *you*
ML> RM> never type-o
ML>
ML> It's spelled "typo"
Hey Lynda, did you read this meesage from Marty? See why now? Also, Marty,
the next time my spell checker bogs down in *your* quotes can I go ahead
and use the 'replace' button?
ML> we don't have time for the likes of you here.
We? You and your mouse in your pocket?
Listen, if you don't like the garbage on your plate quit putting it on
mine. I've seen in this conference that most like this kind of thing. If
you don't then mellow out as well.
ML> I can understand how a five-letter word would tax your limited
ML> mental abilities.
Like "Jesus"...
ML> I do not need a spelling checker
Maybe you should get a second opinion. I know that I'm no spelling wizard
but I don't claim to be one either... (wow,,, what we argue about in Holy
Smoke....)
I guess that bait in your stomach must be pretty raw right now...<
ML> No, I'm not terribly interested; much like your posts.
But you keep coming back... ;-)
ML> Don't bother. Just go back to sucking on your toes. That seems
ML> to keep you busy enough.
Which ones? :->
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: you
|Date: 05 Jan 96 20:24:00
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PS> RM> If it was what you believe you would remember it. You are star
PS> RM> build a very good argument that you are not very deep intellec
PS>
PS>A wonderful opinion. I trust you can substantiate it?
You already have.
PS>"Pretend to be." I let my academic credentials, such as they are, s
PS>for themselves. There is no reason for me to pretend.
Actually whatever "credentials" you have haven't done you much good. Yea,
I know, that's my opinion of course you don't have to point that out with
another one of your lower educated personal attacks. They really get boring.
PS>You didn't pay attention. Without the RCC, Christianity as you know
PS>would most likely be practiced only in Ethiopia. Europe and the Ame
PS>(if they'd been colonized), would most likely be predominantly Musl
Actually that's speculation. History cannot be massaged. The RCC is very
notable in History however they did more for spreading their politics then
the Gospel. Seems Christianity kept going despite them.
PS>The Council of Nicea, in case you'd missed the reference, is what g
PS>you the document that you call the Bible (though the Protestants de
PS>all of the Apocrypha during the Reformation some 1200 years later).
Maybe you should read more. Though the Catholic church approved of the
Apocrypha it was never accepted by the Jews as Scripture and wasn't included
in the Hebrew Bible (which was also around before the Catholic Church so
there's half of the Bible that the RCC had nothing to do with.) The Apocrypha
wasn't officially added to the Bible until 1546 at the council of Trent.
Imagine that. It was after Luther was having problems with the RCC and
was wanting support for unbiblical doctrines. Could that be a coincidence.
You know what happened after that. The old testament was affirmed in 90
and 118 AD at the councils of Jamnia. Also, Marcion as early as c.85-c.160,
had compiled together books for the NT. They weren't liked much since it
was limited but it was a start. The first English Bible was made in 1380
~ 1382. Long before the Apocrypha was a part of anything except the Septuagint.
So it doesn't seem like your claim about Protestants makes any since at
all. One note as well, the writings of the New Testament were around much
much earlier then the RCC's councils and were also considered Scripture
at those times as well. This is what I mean by folks here leaving out a
lot of facts when they make accusations. Something I wouldn't think the
well educated would want to do. (Unless they were hiding something of course.)
PS>Be that as it may, if it had not been for the Catholics, you probab
PS>would not be a Christian.
Are you Catholic? If it weren't for the Catholics I might be Anabaptist...
< Or maybe one of the other Christian sects around during the time.
Actually the truth of the matter is if it weren't for Jesus, I wouldn't
be a Christian.
NOTE: I don't mean to say that the RCC had absolutely no claim to advancing
the Gospel. Chrysostom, 398+ AD was Archbishop of Constantinople, and was
a really great Christian in our history along with many others who's hearts
were set on advancing the Gospel not Politics. He was also educated by
one of the leading pagan teachers of his time, Libanius. He still turned
to Jesus and rejected paganism... And there are others as well but many
of them were martyred or banished. Chrysostom died from sickness due to
the living conditions while in exile. Today he is hailed by the RCC as
a Saint... ?
PS>Don't try to
PS>tell me that there were no true Christians between the first and th
PS>sixteenth centuries.
Nope. I'm just saying they weren't all Catholic.
PS> RM> Jesus, who was, who is and who is to come.... "I AM".. and alw
PS>
PS>The creator created the creator? Circular at best.
Your right, circular at best. Your wrong, He wasn't created, he always
was.
PS>Who created the Creator?
Since you didn't seem to read my post close enough I will re-quote for
you.
PS>RM> Jesus, who was, who is and who is to come.... "I AM". and
PS>RM> always was.
PS> RM> something else because of our limited knowledge as humans. Ye
PS>You realize that you've just shot your own argument apart.
No, actually I'm just being honest.
PS>Are you done trying to read my mind?
Only as much as you.
(Continued next message...)
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: God's Love
|Date: 05 Jan 96 20:36:00
EID:c8ea 2025a480
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa91f
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
KW>No, not the SA. This guy is an independent Bible church. He runs
KW>sort of shelter. If anyone wants to stay at his shelter, they are
KW>handed a bucket with a sign on it saying 'Help the Children'. They
KW>stand on the intersections of the main streets in town, begging at
KW>cars stopped at the light. If they gather more than $45, they get
KW>keep half and get to stay at the shelter. If they don't get that m
KW>tough titty. The bucket is emptied and they get to sleep on the st
This is pretty sad... actually really sad... Now what kind of opinion do
you gather from this for so-called "Christian" organizations? I hate that
kind of stuff going on. It hurts the people that need help and it hurts
other Christians and Christian Organizations that want to give but they
get a bad rep cause of folks like this. It's like that with as well "Divebombers"
in Cyberspace.
KW>RM>NEST MSG:
KW>
KW>Nest msg? Are you threatening me with chinese soup?
he he he... no, it's just my poor grammar... <
Thanks for the email address...
Well take care and ttyl
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: LET'S RUMBLE!
|Date: 05 Jan 96 20:42:00
EID:20e8 2025a540
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa930
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
JG> Well, after being kicked off of the a_theist bulletin, I have
JG>finally been given access to HOLYSMOKE. Please, anyone with a comme
JG>on Christianity or theology, please respond. I, for one think that
JG>Jesus is Lord of ALL!! I want to talk about it.
You sound like another Divebomber...
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Monty Gibson
|Sub: Parents of these children
|Date: 05 Jan 96 20:44:00
EID:7942 2025a580
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa941
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
Hey Monty,
the Hard Returns in your messages are messing them up.
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Timothy Bowlby
|Sub: FAQ Material
|Date: 05 Jan 96 20:45:00
EID:721d 2025a5a0
MSGID: 1:280/26 2d0aa952
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
So what's the point.
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: animals
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:19:00
EID:eda1 202c0260
MSGID: 1:280/9 07811185
TID: GE 1.11+
MR> -=>Rob, where will you be spending eternity? <=-
In a juice bar?
MR> No, the answer is souls....giraffes don't have any
You've obviously never seen them dance.
MR> RB> Some animals may disagree with you.
MR>
MR> And if they could have an audible and intelligent conversation with
me, I'
MR> think my position
Some primates have been taught sign language. That may not be
audible but it is communication.
MR> An ability has absolutely nothing to do with the presence or absence
of a soul.
The ability to 'imagine' has everything to do with the belief
in a soul.
MR> RB> Should the cheeta worship
MR> RB> a god of speed? Should dolphins worship the sonar god?
MR>
MR> The point is that an animal has no concept of a Creator because it has
no s
MR> thus can't worship anything.
Animals don't have 'brains on steroids' and thus, can't worship
anything. Lucky them.
MR> One's ability has nothing to do with a soul. If it did, Bill Gates
would b
MR> I digress here, sorry
Actually, belief in souls probably decreases as ability to
think increases.
MR> RB> It's the evolutionary development
MR> RB> that ensured our survival.
MR>
MR> If you want to swallow that garbage, go ahead.
Likewise, I'm sure.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: subjection
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:36:00
EID:4d04 202c0480
MSGID: 1:280/9 07811186
TID: GE 1.11+
MR> If that's what she chose to marry, then she knew what she was getting
into.
MR> might have made a poor choice, but it was her choice.
What if she was dazzled by his sparkling blue eyes and THEN
finds out he's a sleazebag (after a year or two of marriage)?
How do you feel about divorce?
MR> No, you chopped up my post and neglected to put in the part about violence
MR> I had posted to someone else.
I don't recall doing any chopping. I usually chop far less
than I should.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:46:00
EID:0036 202c05c0
MSGID: 1:280/9 07811187
TID: GE 1.11+
AS> RB> Nice evasive maneuver, Schroeder. But the credulity and delusion
AS> RB> in question is even MORE popular AND profitable.
AS>
AS> Only if you don't believe it. If you do, you have to donate your gains
to
AS> actually HELPING people, neither popular or profitable.
Further proof that most Christians don't really believe it.
They believe it when it's expedient to do so.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: GAY LOVE
|Date: 12 Jan 96 00:51:00
EID:57ea 202c0660
MSGID: 1:280/9 07811188
TID: GE 1.11+
AS> RB> Why couldn't the 'compassion factor' simply be a product of our
AS> RB> extraordinary brain? Maybe our brain has evolved in such a way
AS> RB> at to allow for compassion as opposed to complete ruthlessness.
AS>
AS> Could be. But if so, it is an accidental by-product, not reasoned out.
AS> Because if reasoned out, it does not make sense.
Theism is a by-product of intelligence. And now, after a few
millennia, the very intelligence that spawned religion is
recognizing it's falsehood.
AS> And many times physical and mental disorders were regarded as holy,
as
AS> "touched by the gods" and they were not threatened, even treated with
AS> leniancy when they could not care for themselves.
The nuttier they acted, the holier they were?
AS> I am not as sure as you
AS> that understanding from a scientific perspective has brought greater
AS> compassion. We live in the century that french-fried thousands of Japanese
AS> at one stroke...just ask the Hiroshima chamber of commerce...and that
is
AS> courtesy of science, also.
Oppenheimer was terrified of the potential and intrigued by
the science at the same time.
Science has improved compassion like this: Possession by
demons is now epilepsy. Homosexuality is more than likely
genetic. Physical and mental afflictions are no longer a
curse from God or possession by demons. Where compassion
is concerned, scientific understanding beats superstitious
fears any day.
AS> But suprisingly, many things ARE cross-cultural. Caring for the aged
in
AS> most societies. Not immediately killing the unfit. (Nazi Germany tried,
AS> and is rightfully regarded as an abomination.)
But why must you attribute everything compassionate to a god?
Why can't that characteristic come from within humans? We ARE
unique animals. It wouldn't be surprising that we had unique
characteristics.
AS> We at least have the ILLUSION of free will, whether we do or not. And
we
AS> treat others so. It would make no sense to jail a bank robber if he
is
AS> only the product of his genes and his enviorment. What choice would
he
AS> have? Only if he truly has a choice does it make sense.
Let's say I grew up in a home with an alcoholic father who
beat my mother and molested my sisters. Both of my parents
have violent tempers and low IQs. We barely subsist on a
poverty level income. What do you think my chances are of
becoming a mild-mannered Sunday school teacher?
It IS possible but the cards are stacked against it.
AS> First off, he has to appear SOMEPLACE. And to appear to all simultaneously
AS> would be a miracle indeed.
No problem for an omnipotent god. It wouldn't have to be
simultaneously. Just make an appearance to all cultures like
he supposedly did with the Hebrew culture.
AS> You might pick the best time. For instance, you
AS> might pick a time when a fairly large empire covered much of two
AS> continents, and had a lingua franca where the tale could be desimminated
AS> fairly easily--even though in a few centuries the empire would fall
apart,
AS> the religion would stay.
And yet, most of the world remained in the dark about
the 'truth' for centuries. Does God have something against
non-white people?
AS> It would also be the same continent which would
AS> someday spark a scientific revolution that would spread the word much
AS> farther.
Unfortunately for the native peoples of the western
hemisphere, more than the word was spread.
AS> (Like: the Roman Empire; a lingua franca like Greek, etc.) And
AS> one would pull a miracle, as claimed by many religions---indeed the
most
AS> common motif---but instead of pulling it in a dim past that nobody
can
AS> verify, pull it off in historical times with living witnesses to write
AS> about and to spread the word. (I.E., the Resurrection.) That would
indeed
AS> distinguish it...
It's recent enough to have been 'documented' but distant
enough to evade verification. Either God chose to appear
to ONE culture in ONE brief moment in history or it's just
another tribal myth. The latter seems far more likely to me.
Israel was in desperate times. It was under the oppressive
rule of Rome. As desperate individuals often do, Israel, as
a nation, turned to religion to bail them out.
AS> Because all of those things like sight and hearing and a heart have
AS> survival value. Some altruism and compassion IS necessary. But not
all.
Human intelligence is producing some 'artificial' behavior.
We, as a species, do many things that wouldn't be 'natural'
behavior (and refrain from doing many things that would).
Our brain has led us outside the boundaries of pure animal
instinct. Whether this modification of natural behavior is
beneficial or detrimental is uncertain.
The leap from natural to artificial behavior was due to
human intelligence and not cosmic deities. Our big brain
is the source of all our understanding AND of all our
delusions.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 13 Jan 96 21:59:22
EID:2410 202daf60
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 0f87f940
REPLY: 1:124/9005 30f6f5e3
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Steve Quarrella wrote in a message to David Worrell:
dw>> From what I've heard, that was because the German government raised
a
dw>> big stink. Apparently, the have laws against such things. Compuserve
dw>> is working on a fix to block the entire alt.* heirarchy from German
dw>> users while still letting other users around the world access those
dw>> newsgroups.
SQ> This from the government that also has a problem with Wolfenstein
SQ> 3D, Rise of the Triad, and Doom.
From what I have heard, the main problem with at least Wolfenstein 3D was
the Nazi content. Such symbols are verboten in Germany now and the government
didn't like the game. I guess they never sat down and tried it though,
as the main object of the game is to pump as many Nazi's full of hot lead
in the shortest amount of time.
SQ> Yet I have several co-workers who
SQ> tell me that there's a sex shop in every German airport in which
SQ> they've landed.
This is true. :)
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: Hey
|Date: 13 Jan 96 22:01:41
EID:9200 202db020
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Charles Rollins wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
CR> You are so blind you cannot see the fool you are making of yourself
CR> which is typical on here...there you go cussing again. That proves
CR> that you all here are a slave to sin because you cannot quit
CR> profanity, you don't have it within you to quit do you.
Fuck off. I've never sinned.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: Why
|Date: 13 Jan 96 22:02:21
EID:c435 202db040
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CHRS: ibmpc 2
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Charles Rollins wrote in a message to David Worrell:
DW> What makes the word "shit" profane, Chuckie?
DW> How 'bout "fuck"? What is it that makes it profane?
DW> Maybe you could explain why "damn" is profane?
CR> You act like you are so intelligent you should know. If you don't
CR> then you are more stupid than you look.
Considering you don't have a clue as to how David looks...
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Python trivia
|Date: 13 Jan 96 12:56:26
EID:b8eb 202d6700
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607bc0c9
JB> Helpme!!!!!! Who ate Crunchy Frog?
Officer Someone or other. Played by Grahem Chapman.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: reasons
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:12:42
EID:7b1b 202d6980
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REPLY: 1:105/40.666 a20c4602
MB> Unless, of course, you're trying to tell me that you've been
MB> converted, and God turned the highly saline sea into ice so
MB> Jesus could walk on it. In that case, I'd like for you to
MB> explain to me why it is not mentioned in any secular writings
I'm not sure just what precipitated this, but ice and water and steam are
the smae things if they are composed of PURE water. The basic porperties
of water would be the same, the polarity, the shape of the molecule and
so forth. However, for wter with dissolved ions such as sodium there is
a freezing point depression. I keep stocks of 5.0 molar sodium chloride
int he freezer (about 300 grams of salt per liter) which will ot freeze.
Sea water is about .85% salt or about 8.5 grams per liter and it's freezing
point is lowered signifigantly.
But anyway, Jess didn't walk on any water anmy more than he chnged any of
it into wine..
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 13 Jan 96 13:22:27
EID:f32d 202d6ac0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607c0101
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30f3c054
A>> but I will share anyhow. (I am already grown, just getting
A>> some tuition togethr) I woullike to have a career in
A>> electronics, but I am being strongly pulled toward my
A>> favorite pastime-Writing.
DW> You might could manage simple electronics, as long as
DW> it's nothing more complicated than replacing a blown circuit
DW> board with a new one. Writing, on the other hand, is obviously
DW> completely beyond you.
This kid has forgotten why we go to college. It is to get an education.
when we come out, we should know enough about many things so that we cna
study and understand them. Were we given to understand that if he bcomes
an EE or something of that nature tht he would not be able to write?
Asmodeus? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:45:04
EID:0f8b 202d8da0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607e69ac
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30f42a33
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please
DW>> present it. If not, kindly stop your whining.
AM> A single cell contains DNA, a complex molecular code,
AM> which in my view
AM> suggests intelligent design. Not the by product of random
AM> chance.
AM> Don't let evolution make a monkey out of you. (whaa!!)
You have made the critical error of believing tht your wild assed guess
is a substitute for evidence. Do you actually KNOW anything about DNA and
how it works? Do you know that it's reactions are limited and that the
way in which it forms is also limited by natural laws and by other things?
do you kndow anything of the mountain of evidence that shows that DNA in
it's present form is also a prodcut of evolution?
Be careful with your answer. I make my living doing recombinanat DNA research.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Re: gospels
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:53:00
EID:2af7 202d8ea0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607e7848
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30f42a35
AM> In the words of Shakespear me think they doth protest too
AM> much!! See you in Heaven.
This is not whqt the bard had in mind for this quote. He would turn in
his grave if he knew someone like yourself was misusing it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: ARK nut
|Date: 13 Jan 96 17:57:03
EID:237b 202d8f20
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REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 30f4e5d8
MG>> And didn't even understand that much.
DM> His favorite activity is trying to figure out the secret
DM> message in the bar code.
We've got enough problems without this kind of stuff. The sad truth about
your little jest is that in many cases it's all too true. The "Stamp of
Satan" is littered among our fruits and veggies at the supermarket. What
next? when you purchase your next bible, will it be laser scanned as well?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Metafundy redux
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:20:44
EID:b84a 202d9280
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f4c1ff
MG>> Did anyone ever discover just what it was that Stu invented
MG>> that proved that god existed?
RJ> I think it was a perpetual motion machine, for which
I was given to believe that there was a hime video of Stu operating whatever
the hell it was. I've looked at the local Blcokbuster under "Comedy" but
can't find it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: ?
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:24:54
EID:44da 202d9300
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REPLY: 1:280/26 2a08c1e2
MG>>Are you quoting bible stories to us as if they had really
MG>>happened?
RM> Why yes Martin.
Good, good...At least a firm answer.
MG>>Are you
MG>>doing this without the evidence that the story of Eden is
MG>>true?
RM> The evidence is all around you... you just reject it all. Also,
RM> other evidence has been provided at various times and you reject
RM> that too. I can't control what *you* are willing to
RM> believe.
Please be VERY specific. What evidence is all around me? What is it?
What is the EXACT evidence and how do we interpret the data it provides
to show that there is a real god? Please make your answer very specific
and try not to dance around with generalized stuff like you do above.
MG>>Evil, like good, is just a thing.
RM> Got any evidence of that?
I figured that it was self explanatory. How do you view it otherwise.
It's just something.
MG>> If you claim that god created everything, he created evil.
RM> I say again:
MG>> RM> Evil is not a created thing but a lack of good.
You are attempting to excuse your god from letting evil be around. Whether
he created it or allows it's presence is immaterial to me. It's here and
I hold him responsible. No one that worships your god as a loving merciful
god could be really serious about it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: The winner is....
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:33:10
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RM> Now that's Freedom From religion as shown here by a real winner.
RM> Of course freedom from religion isn't a constitutionally
RM> protected right... at least not in the United States
You need to sit down and give a serious reading to the first amendment to
the constitution.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:56:46
EID:48d5 202d9700
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f12be
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 606b56dd
JH> 1m x 1m is the highest resolution I've seen from a satellite.
JH> Though I think there is some 30cm x 30cm data out there. Most
JH> of it is of far lower resolutions. If you need a higher
JH> resolution than that, it's cheaper to use an aircraft that
JH> it is to launch your own custom LEO bird.
If I read this right, you guys are discussing the sensitivity vs. specificity
issue. I'm presently working on a project trying to detect one femptogram
of DNA. It's working well, but the sensitivity is killing us. In a lab
where the DNA is everywhere in amounts that re likely three logs greater
than our sensitivity, we can PCR the stuff out of water. I've thrown loads
of reagents away due to contamination. the ability to be very sensitive
does have it's drawbacks.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Kris OKelly
|Sub: RE: GOD IS PURE EVIL!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 18:59:49
EID:ab0b 202d9760
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KO> if god was evil he would not of made us.. well god has blessed me
KO> in meny ways.. he gave me a loving family plus great firends.
KO> well have a great day!
Instead of posting these whining little dance routines, I've asked you for
evidence of your god. I say tht your god is a misaerable old bastard that
lets people starve. If you would care to presetn evidence tht this god
exists and if so why he isn't evil, then I'd be happy to listen. Your opinion
does not qualify as evidence.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Steve Stuart Nacarlo
|Sub: God
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:01:28
EID:58d1 202d9820
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f17d8
REPLY: 100:1000/0 b5629cba
SSN> HE GAVE US HIS ONLY SON
Evidence for this please?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ab
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:05:21
EID:acef 202d98a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f221f
REPLY: 1:262/20 30F441CA
DH> Hey, everybody! Didja hear about Staalie bein' arrested for
DH> attempted rape? Course, after examining the evidence, the
DH> charge was reduced to Assualt With a Dead Weapon.
But the evidence wouldn't stand up in court.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:07:26
EID:929d 202d98e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f28a0
REPLY: 1:262/20 30F441CF
DH> chatting. You might also consider that it's a great way to
DH> meet quite a number of young ladies who are _certified_ HIV
DH> negative. (Insofar as that is possible.)
The blood is tested AFTER the donation so the ladies in question cna still
give you a little more than a night's pleasure. Myabe you can ask the clerks
there to come back in a week and check Hiv stats and get phone numbers.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: SNOW IN THE BIBLE?
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:11:26
EID:fd79 202d9960
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f2f45
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 30f48eac
DD> The Word of God does not say it didn't rain before Noah.
DD>
Evidence for the flood please.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:11:57
EID:179c 202d9960
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f31fd
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 d266e752
MG>> seeing the problem I have with being able to do one and not
MG>> the other.
MB> Oh. And the other thing is that god can only do the impossible
MB> if he can find a way to do it without leaving tracks.
It's such a simple concept. I doubt seriously that anyone that has half
a brain or more could not see it. Only those blinded by their agenda.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 13 Jan 96 19:12:58
EID:dbc3 202d9980
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 607f33f2
REPLY: 1:135/71.0 13e3b3ad
I must have missed your reply to me. You were trying to show me how giving
my wife a gift at Xmas time is celebration of a religious holiday.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 21:00:01
EID:0852 202da800
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 60802ede
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 900b033f
PS>> Your god is a murderer.
CM> So? What's your point? If they deserved it, then fine. If not,
CM> then I guess it's just a consequence of life, huh?
Your god said not to kill. So then your god goes out and nurders kids in
Africa from starvation.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: PROOF Cane and Able
|Date: 12 Jan 96 12:30:20
EID:64c6 202c63c0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 6 Jan 96 01:22pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Robert Jackson:
FR> You know, I _tried_ making it to a Christanic church last week but,
as I
FR> approached the church, the skys darkened, the wind came up hard, and
it
FR> started to rain so hard that I couldn't see ten feet ahead of me.
Good thing you didn't go into a graveyard, else you might have been speared
by a lightning rod.
... A phone call to fido headquarters seems to be in demand. - Brian La
Plante
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Star DeTracktor
|Date: 12 Jan 96 12:32:06
EID:746c 202c6400
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 6 Jan 96 01:33pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Doug Pasnak:
FR> "Spock did SO have emotions! He just didn't show them!"
I -will- say that Paramount committed a MAJOR crime in leaving on the cutting
room floor the scene in ST:TMP where Spock weeps for Vejur. Good thing
they
put it back in when they released the movie to video.
... I got a sweater for Christmas. I wanted a screamer or a moaner.
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 12 Jan 96 12:33:48
EID:2d61 202c6420
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 6 Jan 96 01:52pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Christian Miller:
FR> WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THESE SATANISTS? By not presenting any facts
and
FR> by not going to the police about it, you are defact-o complicit in
FR> their crimes.
Psst. It's "de facto."
FR> Are you a Satanist, "Chris?" Is _that_ why you're defending them?
I think that "perp" might be a better term to use here.
FR> I expect you to present some specifics. I expect it now.
Get those damned crickets off of me!
... This Tag line is Stolen.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Sean Mccullough
|Sub: "Pius" my ass!
|Date: 12 Jan 96 12:39:58
EID:a893 202c64e0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Sean, riddle me this:
I've been reading about a few of the current Head Christian's predecessors,
and am quite at a loss as to why guys like Pius IX and Pius X seem to be
so beloved (with Pius X having been canonized by Pius XII), when guys like
John XXIII, Benedict X?? (Pius X's successor in 1914), and John Paul I seem
to fall through the cracks. You wanna 'splain to me why those who run the
church from the far right are the "saints" and those who operate from the
left
are considered "mistakes?"
... I'd like to talk to you about common diarrhoea.
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Fundamentalist Are Insane 2/4
|Date: 12 Jan 96 17:27:36
EID:b4b9 202c8b60
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 6 Jan 96 09:35pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Boni Hitch:
bh> I try to explain to fundies that telling someone that "we are
bh> going to heaven--you are going to hell" is a flame.
I generally say this, after they've offered apologetics in the form of "I
care for you and just want to warn you:"
If I went to someone's door and said "HEY, ASSHOLE! ["HEATHEN!"] YOUR
MUFFLER IS LOUD. GET IT FIXED!," I would probably be treated with malice
(and would deserve it). Can you imagine the laughter if I say "HEY, I JUST
CARE ABOUT YOU, AND WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP!"?
... Bagel bakers settle...kneadless strike ends!
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:16:12
EID:02f6 202c7a00
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 07:43pm, Maria Russell wrote to Marilyn Burge:
MR> I don't want to be the one who points out your spelling errors....but
MR> your spell checker should be replaced with a grammatic checker.
If you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it in return:
MR> I only decided to "correct" you since you felt it necessary to correct
MR> my errors...I'm hoping that my point has been made now, and we can get
MR> on with "intelligent" debate?
^
"I'm hoping" is a declarative statement, not interrogative. As such, this
sentence should be terminated by a period, not a question mark.
Would you like to try again, Mrs. Staal? Is there some reason you're
ducking Mrs. Burge's questions and trying to shift the issue to her
grammatical habits?
... Without Silver Xpress, I DO NO MAIL!
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: UFO area 51
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:10:28
EID:a567 202c7940
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 8 Jan 96 08:50pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Douglas Duke:
dd> I suppose that in the last 10 years things could have changed
dd> by now. There is an underground facility called "Dreamland"
dd> where UFO's have been caught on camera on such TV shows as
dd> Montell Williams and Larry King.
FR> That's nonsense. "Dreamland" is a _fictional_ construct created by
FR> former Air Force Captain Dale Brown who was a B-52 navigator from 1978
Why didn't you ask him about Mt. Weather? I've been meaning to ask Uncle
Orrin about it and see what his reaction is.
... What do you feed a Trojan horse? A latex lollipop!
--- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 BT026
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: more authority
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:18:16
EID:f0df 202c7a40
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 07:07am, Maria Russell wrote to Sean McCullough:
MR> These are YOUR words Sean...I still have seen not one iota of
MR> documentation from you. Your full of it!
^^^^
I see that -you- stepped in it. That's "you're," Grammar Queen. Would
you
like to try again?
... Gotta cut back on hot dogs and beer. I'm developing a ballpark figure!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: submission
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:26:22
EID:a144 202c7b40
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 07:14am, Maria Russell wrote to Sean McCullough:
MR> And if you don't pay your bills...because you don't want to?
Get your grammar checker going, Maria. I find an error of some sort in
just about every message that comes out of your fingertips. You do NOT
end sentences with prepositions.
MR> And who tells you to pay those taxes...under who are you subject here?
That's "under whom."
This is -fun.- More highlights will become available as you provide them.
... If guns cause crime, do matches cause arson?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal continues to deny his hatred
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:24:02
EID:7ada 202c7b00
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 8 Jan 96 11:28am, Jim Staal wrote to Fredric Rice:
JS> I always retain my calm smooth control. :)
"Die and fry!" comes to mind...does that count? :)
... If you call me insane again, I'll eat your other eye.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:46:22
EID:4bc5 202c7dc0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 9 Jan 96 06:15pm, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to Jesse Jones:
JJ> Is it really? Frankly, I've not known or even known of anyone who
JJ>genuinely embraced paganism, other than as some spiritual experiment.
I
JJ>am not aware of any pagan tradition which has survived through the ages.
I am surprised that Mr. Jones, who dictates who shall and shall not
celebrate Christmas, is unaware of a pagan tradition having to do with
Christmas trees (whose original "ornaments" were human beings). The days
of
the week and some of the months of the year (including those created for
god-emperors) also come to mind. Didn't you and I both go over this with
the
poor dear just a few weeks ago?
... Silver Xpress!...... Not Just Another Off-Line Mail System !
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: To Each His Own
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:43:20
EID:7472 202c7d60
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 8 Jan 96 07:12pm, Robert Hutcheson wrote to Marty Leipzig:
RH> Like the topic says my friend. May God bless you.
"Bravely ran away away...when danger reared its ugly head, he bravely
turned his tail and fled..."
... Writing to Washington won't help -- he's dead!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: "Good things heathens have done for me lately"
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:48:52
EID:9d7f 202c7e00
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
I just wanted to mention to you that David Rice sent me a wonderful book
for Christmas, and that Marty Leipzig sent me some rather nice cigars.
It seems that they appreciate using my BBS, so would you like to speculate
as
to why these two "heathens" would do something so nice as to send me gifts?
... "Fuenteovejuna lo hizo." -- Mengo in Lope de Vega's "Fuenteovejuna"
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: abortion enslaves wo
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:52:54
EID:3a37 202c7e80
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 9 Jan 96 06:07pm, Luke Clark wrote to Sean Mccullough:
> SQ> Spank me! I'm empty! I need deities!
> I see - you want to be thor. :-)
SM> This thread is getting harder and harder to Sif through......
LC> Shut up, filthy Hoor!
Loki for you I decided NOT to shut up...Freki, isn't it?
... What sort of photo would one need to blackmail Madonna?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 12 Jan 96 15:50:00
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 10 Jan 96 01:28am, Jim Staal wrote to MARTY LEIPZIG:
JS> Poltroon, eh? Stand up and look me in the face when you say that, MISTER
JS> Leipzig! (rent-a-MILKCRATE [TM])
Why don't you come to Texas and threaten him to his face, big mouth? Tell
him you're going to do bodily harm to him and I'm certain a good laugh will
be had by many.
... Silver Xpress!...... You will!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ab
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:17:00
EID:01ac 202e5a20
MSGID: 1:124/9005 30f8e648
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 607f221f
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Martin!
Saturni dies January 13 1996, Dixit Martin Goldberg ad David Hilling:
DH>> Hey, everybody! Didja hear about Staalie bein' arrested for
DH>> attempted rape? Course, after examining the evidence, the
DH>> charge was reduced to Assualt With a Dead Weapon.
MG> But the evidence wouldn't stand up in court.
I wonder what the penal codes in this country have to say about that.
["We mean no harm to your planet! We mean no harm to your planet!"]
--- GoldED 2.50+ - Spank Our Wombats!
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|From: Lee Woofenden
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Posting
|Date: 13 Jan 96 10:51:09
EID:4de6 202d5660
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:101/525.0 30f7e210
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 88F94396
Here's what Michael Hardy said to Al Schroeder about worrell:
MH> If you leave, with Dave Oo. gone and Woofenden & Jones posting
MH> only sporadically, it'll just be me and Lynda. And you know how
MH> well we mesh!
I wish I could post more regularly, but my schedule has been and continues
to be extremely heavy. Every once in a while I manage to get a bit of time
to do some Fidonet posting, but those times are getting fewer and farther
between.
Have you had a chance to do any reading in the books I sent you?
I hope you had a good Christmas and New Year!
--Lee
... Do not attempt to traverse a chasm in two leaps.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Acts of god....
|Date: 14 Jan 96 13:11:15
EID:30a2 202e6960
MSGID: 1:157/200 2e0e084d
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
RICHARD MORRISON spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
RM>KD>You're missing the point: if God could save one person, why didn't
RM>KD>save them all.
RM>
RM>That's a good question.
RM>
RM>KD>Oh? What do you call fossils?
RM>
RM>Fossils in and of themselves don't support evolution of the species.
Why not?
RM>Hey, I was wondering, do you read the entire message and then go back
RM>and answer it or do you just answer as you go?
Depends. Usually I answer as I go, and then go back and edit. I don't
always to remember to edit them, though.
RM>KD>Empathy and enlightened self-interest. Basically, I ask myself a
RM>KD>question: By performing this action, am I unnecessarily hurting
RM>KD>someone?
RM>
RM>That's what some serial killers have done as well. They didn't think
RM>they were hurting people since their idea of hurt and pain was much
RM>different then most.
True. I've never said it was a perfect way. However, people have
killed for Christianity as well. I don't think there is a perfect
ethical system, as they are always subjective.
RM>KD>Doing a search for "beetle" would most likely
RM>KD>yield over a thousand books
RM>
RM>Looking this up with Yahoo....?
No, didn't try that. I'll do that now. Only got three results: one on
Volkswagon bugs, one on cleaning bones with beetles, and a music
company.
RM>KD>CMPQwk 1.42
RM>
RM>Hey, got some questions for you on this. Do you view other
RM>conferences. ttyl
Some . . . which ones are you wondering about?
... I was not CREATING a disturbance, I was improving one already there.
* CMPQwk 1.42 602 * Internet: kdm2@po.cwru.edu *
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|From: Annette Spence
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Re: Perhaps here's the reason.
|Date: 14 Jan 96 08:23:07
EID:bc29 202e42e0
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8010
ML> AS> to my main point...I was always taught that God could not even
look
ML> AS> upon the face of sin...and I *DO* believe he is all powerful....how
d
ML> AS> you b'lieve it is possible that he can do anything and yet cannot
loo
ML> AS> evil in the face?
ML> AS>
ML> AS> and this is one I really do struggle with.
ML>
ML> Well, it just might have something to do with the fact that God
ML> doesn't exist.
snicker...yes..you could look at it that way...but that kinda defeats my
whole purpose...which was to discuss a theological point with him...since
*I* believe he exists this is not a problem for me...I am just working on
the bits and pieces that I have not figured out yet. Since *you* don't
believe in him we would be better off either not discussing it at all..or
moving on to a different point. I know that convincing you of his existance
is impossible..and I am not into shoving things down someones throat anyhow.
got any ideas?
Annette Spence
aka
Sister Christian
--- Don't look back!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: zfnx bgGld pah!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 16:41:12
EID:81ff 30f83551
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f83551
> I can damn near do that myself. If one of 'em happens to
> have a triple-letter bra size and has legs that go all the
> way up to her ears, I might be willing to negotiate some
> kind of non-spontaneous orgasm, though... :)
There you damned heterosexuals go again....waving your sexuality in NORMAL
people's faces!
{smile}
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Re: 325
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:32:01
EID:81ff 30f86b8d
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f86b8d
> JH> Is "Judism" the worship of Judy or the worship of Jud?
> JH>
> JH> I keep getting those two mixed up.
> That would be the worship of Jud. As Ms. Tenuta
> has
> eastablished, she is the founder of "Judyism".
OOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! I was once one of her studpuppets
in her stage show here in Milwaukee! She truly IS a goddess!
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Kris Okelly
|Sub: RE: GOD IS PURE EVIL!
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:48:06
EID:81ff 30f86f16
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f86f16
> if god was evil he would not of made us.. well god has blessed
> me in meny ways.. he gave me a loving family plus great
> firends. well have a great day!
^^^^^^^
Oh! You're a carpenter? Just like Joseph!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: Re: ARK nut
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:49:13
EID:81ff 30f86f5d
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f86f5d
> blah, blah..you are impressing no one..blah blah blah
>
> F** me? I didn't know you were gay!!!
He isn't. *I* am! You got a beard?
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Steve Stuart Nacarlo
|Sub: Re: God
|Date: 13 Jan 96 20:50:15
EID:81ff 30f86f7b
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 30f86f7b
> HE GAVE US HIS ONLY SON
AND GOT HIM BACK
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: ARK nut
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:33:47
EID:e660 202e5c20
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f740
REPLY: 1:279/14.3 30f83db7
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Charles Rollins wrote in a message to Steve Rose:
SR> Are you going to turn around and fuck him just like you fuck your
SR> myth-gawd jaysus??
CR> Sounds like you are burning up with jealousy, you better get
CR> another boyfriend.
Hey! Lay off! I dug up jaysus' carcass. I found jaysus first! His bones
are brittle but still workable. You get your own butt-buddy. Jaysus is
mine!
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: sexian Crustuals
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:15:19
EID:2ef9 202e59e0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f73c
REPLY: 1:279/14.3 30f83db8
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Charles Rollins wrote in a message to David Worrell:
CR> people so much that he sent his Son to take that punishment for
CR> us. We send ourselves if we don't accept his provision for getting
CR> out.
CR> You don't have to go to hell.
Yeah, people! Rollins has volunteered to go there for all of us. We'll
be playing with his jaysus in some mythical heaven while Chuckie rots in
hell.
Everyone send him your thanks for making that nice sacrifice, won't you?
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fucked in Church...
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:34:51
EID:1052 202e5c40
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f742
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 30f5bef5
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
SR> If attending a church is your idea of excitement...then I understand
SR> why you prefer to remain a fundy all your life
JS> Hmmmm...church...not exciting? Ever tried it?
What...and watch you finger the girl sitting next you? That is about the
only excitement one can envision in any boring church service. That...and
raising one's hand when asked if anyone 'plans' to go to hell. You become
the center of attention very quickly by playing their stupid mind games.
Of course, another goodie is to walk right up for a healing and LIMP away
in pain when he is done with his phony speeches. The other jeezoids will
wonder, "What went wrong??" hahahaha!
Finally, the instant favorite is jingling the bag with one of your hands
when the plate is brought around. The people next to ya think your loaded
with dough...and you didn't even have to drop in a dime!
Other than that...booooooooring.
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal FOOLS!
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:35:22
EID:c7da 202e5c60
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f743
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 30f7ffbe
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Jim Staal wrote in a message to Luke Clark:
LC> So? The bible says jump, you jump.
JS> I try...
If they amend the babble (yet again) and update it to say 'jump off of a
fifty story building,' would you try then, too?
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 14 Jan 96 11:32:17
EID:a746 202e5c00
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 0f46f73f
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 30f8858f
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Staal wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
FR> I still say that Jim Staal is the one responsible for these messages.
FR> When he first came in here he sounded exactly like this. That was
FR> before he learned what this forum was really for, of course.
MS> ....So what's the big deal about that,Furd? You and your brother
MS> sound exactly alike.....You both talk like ignorant morons!
And you understand him perfectly. So he knows how to speak on your level.
--- timEd 1.10+
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 14 Jan 96 17:23:39
EID:7584 202e8ae0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f98269
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lighter Religions"
As> As for Carbon dating it has proven that the Earth is many billions of
As> years old, not merely thousands,
ML> All the superstitious nonsense aside, you are quite in error
ML> with this statement. The half-life of 14C is 5,730 years; and
ML> as such, is only useful in determining the age of organic
ML> remains to about 45,000 YBP.
I falsely asserted that this date was 10,000 years. I throw myself upon
the mercy of the court, citing my tender years and the fact that most of
my soi-disant science "education" came from a fundamentalist school and
that I have not yet had the opportunity to rectify the situation as I
would like.
... It is a rather pleasant experience to be alone in a bank at night.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: Spear in side
|Date: 14 Jan 96 17:23:40
EID:9717 202e8ae0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f9826a
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Douglas Duke mumbled "Spear in side"
DD>
DD> Right on your post. JESUS laid down His Life for those who should
DD> be saved, and was not killed by men. So, He was dead in the
DD> leg-breaking rituals, and He was dead as the spear went into His
DD> side.
Jesus was quite a wimp, then. Standard death from crucifixion took 3-4
days at least.
DD> After the resurrection, the disciples put their hand in that hole
DD> in His side, and saw the nailprints in His hands.
A fancy trick, that last. Don't you mean his wrists? He wouldn't have
been crucified with nails through his hands.
... This echo just gets weirder and weirder. Oh wait. That's me. Sorry.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 14 Jan 96 17:23:40
EID:52e6 202e8ae0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 30f9826b
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst no