God Damned Fundies!
|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Mormon Madness
|Date: 18 Jan 96 14:20:46
EID:4bd5 20327280
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 6 Jan 96 11:49pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Steve Quarrella:
FR> ~*~ I would give all I owned to the Church. I know Jesus
FR> Christ directs the affairs of the Church and would without
FR> question give it all. - Ric Remington (Mormon)
sq> Question: Why then was "Jesus Christ" duped by Mark Hofmann's
sq> Salamander letter (and other neat forgeries)?
FR> Oh I know Ric's answer: "Why do you hate god so much!"
I am rather hopeful that someone from LoDS Land will prance through here
some day and argue this issue with me.
... "Sliver" Xpress ..... the movie!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Flaming asshole
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:19:58
EID:eeb0 20347260
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
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17 Jan 96, dixit Jesse Jones ad Robert Jackson:
JJ> I gather, then, that contrary to your original taunt, you
JJ> are incapable or unwilling (or both) to show me an
JJ> in-depth logical argument.
We've been saying the same thing about you for a long time now, but we still
make attempts to make contact.
... Valencia: "Occupy my brain." 1:124/9005
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:21:52
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17 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Jesse Jones:
RJ> Oh well, at least I won't have to worry about you
RJ> responding to this, as I didn't include any nasty words
RJ> or snide remarks.
I've sent him many of these...simply disagreeing with him about "things
divine" seems to be a "nasty word" or "snide remark" in and of itself.
... Four legs good, two legs better!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Kirk Bailey
|Date: 18 Jan 96 16:16:12
EID:5ae3 20328200
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 2 Jan 96 01:39am, J.J. Hitt wrote to Steve Quarrella:
JH> As you may have heard, the majority of concealed weapons
JH> permits have been issued to senior citizens.
"George Burns shoots thug on 100th birthday."
... Cross your legs...we only have THREE nails!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: New
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:25:08
EID:70a1 20346b20
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
7 Jan 96, dixit Maria Russell ad Sean McCullough:
> How's the wife and kids?
SM> Why don't you send me a small sample of that LSD you're obviously high
SM> as a kite on, and I'll tell you.
MR> That's it...You're a dope fiend!
Isn't this a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? Rather than dropping
acid or putting a needle into your veins, you inhale Jesus. There's no
difference.
However, I'm not certain how as to how you conclude that Sean is a "dope
fiend" from what he's saying here. Would you like to elaborate?
MR> That answers all my questions
MR> now. You are the dippy hippy from the 60s and you are still
MR> spaced out...Uh oh...he's going to say I'm slandering him
MR> again. This from a guy who tears down my beliefs...Go figure.
Sean wins...you pissed your pants in front of all of us trying
to
be cute.
MR> So if it's ONLY words, why choose specifically God's name?
Why don't you go find a good reading list on the history of the English
language and discover -why.- You confuse historical oaths with active
belief.
> Why bother, you already have your mind made up.
This is a constant friend of yours.
MR> But you are the one asking the question and you are the one
MR> who has already made his mind up.
Any scientist worth his salt is going to maintain an open mind towards
evidence that may add to or discredit known facts or theories. Sean has
most
likely made up his mind because of a lack of evidence, so rather than
weaseling out with this clich‚d cop-out, perhaps you should provide him
with
some evidence.
MR> And as I have said before,
MR> I'm not here to convince anyone of anything.
Liar...you just finished wasting your time trying to convince me why you're
not worthy of participating in the priesthood.
MR> You and I both
MR> know that NO ONE has changed his belief because of anything
MR> said by anyone else on here.
I have moved away from deism in the several years I've been here. Would
you
like to try again?
MR> Let me give you a scenario. If I called you on the telephone,
MR> could you prove to me that the person I was talking to was
MR> really you?
You are talking apples and oranges. Sean would not be calling to claim
that
he's some deity.
Now, if someone called your house and said "I'm God...you shall give up
all
of your possessions and go work in the Third World," would you listen to
the
caller at the other end of the line? What if God really DID call and you
ignored the call as that of a crank? Wouldn't you want some kind of evidence
that that was indeed calling on the telephone? If that's funny to you,
remember that the Lord works in mysterious ways (to confound the wise).
Hint: You and your ilk are considered to be cranks by many of us here,
for
the same reasons.
MR> had never seen you in the first place. In all actuality there
MR> is no way for you to prove to me that you even exist.
Sean makes no claim to be a deity.
MR> Unless you could show me that you exist,
So, why do you not apply the same logic to your deities? How is Sean's
calling on the telephone any different from hearing a voice in your head
and
claiming it to be "God?"
MR> Do you want to be considered dishonest, Sean??
I already consider you to be so through your evasion of the issues.
SM> You have only two alternatives to being considered a liar. Either
SM> produce your God for my examination, or admit publically that there
is
SM> no such thing.
MR> And you only have two alternatives to be considered a liar.
MR> Either produce yourself for examination (which I still wouldn't
MR> believe is you, since I have never seen you before), or admit
It's rather cute when the Fundies attempt mimicry to avoid the tough
questions. Is God proud of you when you deny him so?
... Real Jugglers have LEATHER balls
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: New
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:10:04
EID:70a1 20346940
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 03:52am, Maria Russell wrote to Steve Quarrella:
> ... If God doesn't exist, why is His name used so much?
SQ> If you ascribe some kind of meaning to the interjections and oaths
SQ> that are utttered by others, I would be curious to think of your views
MR> O O
MR> -----------------------/-\-----snip---------------
Afraid of a few expletives, are you? :)
SQ> would it be reasonable for me to deduce that you might accuse me of
SQ> idolizing feces or sexual intercourse?
Answer the question. You imply that people believe in God because they
say "Oh, God" as an interjection. If someone says "Oh, shit" or "Oh, fuck,"
are you by rote implying that they deify feces or sexual relations?
SQ> [Yes, I know, this is an opening
SQ> for you to get in a quick insult of my intelligence or upbringing
SQ> because of my use of language that is offensive to you. I would hope
SQ> that you as a Christian could refrain from such behaviour.]
MR>
MR> Ok, I won't. But my question to you is this.
Answer my question first.
MR> Would you talk the same way around your mother or child? If not, why?
Here is where you get into trouble, assuming that someone else feels the
same
way towards "vulgar" language as you do.
I -do- use these terms around my parents, Maria. I'm a linguist by education,
and I am acquainted with the history and development of many words and
phrases (and with some of the reasons as to WHY they are considered to be
"vulgar"). There are times when certain "vulgarities" can be used to
convey a precise meaning or sentiment. If I say "Just leave" to the cultists
at my door, they don't get quite the same impression as they might if I
had
said "Get the fuck out of here, assholes, and don't come back!" What I
expect is that you will allege (and I will call you on it) is that every
third word out of my mouth is "fuck" around my parents, as you confuse the
use of vulgarity with wanton use of vulgarity. Language is a tool, nothing
more, and if I can get a rise out of you by saying "dogshit," I have used
the tool effectively.
Would I allow my children to use these terms? Around me or my wife, yes,
but Junior would ALSO be educated as to the history of "vulgar language,"
and that includes why it offends people and why it should be used as a tool
and not a conversation piece.
MR> And I bet you say "oh peanutbutter" all the time as well as
MR> "fiddlesticks".
No, because those terms have no cathartic value in the situations where
I may
utter expletives.
SQ> So what are you trying to suggest? Let's go for the big money here.
I
SQ> was actually going to write my doctoral thesis on the cathartic value
SQ> of expletives and interjections, so perhaps I can dig out my notes.
MR> Now this thesis would be rather short since there isn't any cleansing
MR> value of such things.
What is "cleansing value?" I am not familiar with this term from a
linguistical standpoint. Is "cleansing value" synonymous with "things certain
Christians find to be inoffensive?"
MR> If you are considering cathartic as being a stress release......sure,
MR> you are correct.
Of course I'm correct. You on the other hand are attempting to be a
linguistical Gish or Morris.
SM> Whether or not you agree, the Bible is just such a piece of work: a
SM> work of fantasaical fiction written around an historical core
SM> Show me otherwise, Maria. Cough up your God.
MR> Why bother,
SQ> Because he asked you to do so?
MR> No, he's already made up his mind not to listen as you have also.
Sure I'll listen. Go ahead, and then I'll ask you some questions.
SQ> Why is it that you, Jones, Morrison,
SQ> and a plethora of other Clowns for Jesus fail to realize that you
SQ> would have converts by the dozen if you could simply provide evidence
SQ> for your claims? A burning bush would be nice, although what I'd really
SQ> like to see is a wave of a holy hand that would cure starvation in the
SQ> Third World.
MR> Then you would probably give credit to Clinton anyways
Attempting to dodge the issue won't make the question go away. Would you
like to try again? If you want converts, you can easily get them simply
by
providing some kind of evidence for what you're saying.
SQ> If you want to stomp your feet and whine that we
SQ> "heathens" ask you to make "God" jump through our hoops, stop to
SQ> consider that the request would not made if you would simply grow up,
SQ> refrain from spouting fairy tales as fact, and demanding that we jump
SQ> through "God's" hoops.
MR> Steve, I have been saved almost 20 years now
That's nice. Now, would you like to address the issue at hand? Twenty
years of your life really isn't evidence to support your claims.
MR> and I learned long ago that one can't be forced to want God.
Perhaps the idea of adults talking to the voices in their heads may have
a
little something to do with that.
MR> brings a person to the saving knowledge of Christ. What does bring a
MR> person there is when he/she gets to the lowest part of their life where
MR> they have no other place to go but look upward. It's then that they
MR> reach upward to God.
You sound just like Jesse Jones. I've been through the "saved" routine
already. Many of the lucky winners we have here who spout off about this
nonsense are simply unable to take responsibility for having turned their
own lives around, and as they have such a low sense of self-worth they
place the responsibility on fictional superfriends. Yeah, Maria, I
"blamed God" for straightening out my life, until I figured out that _I_
straightened it out without help from something out of a Alfred Hitchcock
movie.
Is this where you tell me that I'm "angry" with God? :)
... Tengo pregunta, ¨Qu‚ es un Dopefish?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: authority
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:48:12
EID:944e 20346e00
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
7 Jan 96, dixit Maria Russell ad Sean McCullough:
SM> My parents weren't able to run THEIR OWN lives until well into my
SM> adulthood, Maria.
MR> So you are from a disfunctional family...that explains a lot
As were you, I might guess, the way you clamor on about "subjection and
obedience" to your parents. They trained you very well, didn't they?
SM> Oh, by the way: You might want to run this little line of yours BY Mr.
SM> Quarrella and see what he has to say about it. In fact, I think I will
SM> do so and save you the trouble.
MR> Sorry...he already did...thank you.
I did what?
SM> Steve is a well-paid systems programmer with several well-known
SM> software companies.
MR> And that has to do with what?
It has to do with someone's coming from a dysfunctional family who doesn't
have to resort to belief in spirits to be successful in life. You might
try
it some time.
MR> He as well as all of us still have authorities over us.
Well, you could start with my boss, but that has to do with...what? Are
you
going to pull a Jesse and tell me how I'm subject to the spooks you hear
in
your head, and no, you won't provide any evidence for that claim?
MR> Maybe that's what is was in your home...but don't take that to
MR> mean it's the same in everyone else's.
So why do you claim Sean to be a "dope fiend?"
MR> Do what? Obedience is when a parent says...Johnny clean your
MR> room and Johnny does it. What are you talking about?
And if Johnny says "No," what do you do?
MR> You haven't a clue as to what I am talking about.
It IS difficult to understand the rantings of the mentally ill. However,
I
can assure you that many of us here do our best to observe you and attempt
to
understand why you behave the way you do so as to minimize any possible
danger that you may present to us or to our families. Certainly many people
will be wary of those who claim to hear voices in their heads, and I am
no
exception to that. Some of those people are harmless, and present no threat,
but there are others who rattle on about how "empty" we all are and how
we
must be in "obedience and subjection" to their deities: These are the
dangerous ones who seek to save us from ourselves.
MR> And you are totally off base here!
Sorry, but "'nuff said" won't make the hurtful issues go away. Try again.
SM> You have admitted here that I have utterly defeated you; you realize
SM> this, don't you??
It's all over but the shouting, Maria. You came into the field looking
for
sheep, and you found wolves and lions who are more than capable of taking
care of themselves without the aid of some guy with a crook.
MR> In your dreams! Because you have NEVER supplied me with any
MR> facts, just the rantings of your mind.
Is this "Irony Week" or something? By comparison (or by contrast), what
have
you provided?
... "1024 x 768 x 256?" Sounds like one mean woman!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Pope-A-Question
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:02:04
EID:862d 20347840
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
19 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
JH> I recently heard a catholic on the radio claim that there were
JH> two black popes. They gave the names, but I missed the names other
JH> than that they sounded "kinda Latin".
SQ> You might aim this one at Sean McCullough...I think he shot this one
SQ> out of the sky a while back. I've seen the rare reference to an
SQ> antipope as a "black pope," but there were far more than two antipopes.
The only other reference I can recall is that the head of the Jesuits is
referred to as "the black pope." One of my books mentions that a few popes
were from Africa...maybe that's the source of this.
... If thinking is too hard, quote Scripture!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Cartoon in USA Today
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:55:16
EID:391f 20347ee0
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Salue, David!
Jovis dies January 18 1996, Dixit David Worrell ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ>> I'll have to attach in mail for you the OJ Simpson Windows icons I
SQ>> just downloaded today.
DW> Can you attach 'em to my next Thump_It packet?
Done deal...the one of Ito is the best of the lot.
--- GoldED 2.50+ - Spank Our Wombats!
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MR. MILLER...PROBLEM?
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:29:00
EID:7939 20338ba0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jim Staal <=-
AS> men) everywhere? And how far from Jesus' teachings that is?
You're asking this of someone who thinks Jimmy Swaggart is one of the
best examples of christianity this country has to offer.
... Therapy is good, but screaming obsceneties is cheaper.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:31:00
EID:c382 20338be0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jm Staal <=-
JS> something for the pain. Lon's father, the same way: the man screams
in
JS> pain and they do nothing for it), but hating me or God won't change
AS> "History? Toast?" If your father is in pain, how would you like
I have another question. How does Jim know what is going on with 'Lon's'
father when he says he doesn't know the guy? And why no mention of his
own father? I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand for Staal.
And has all along.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: 15 MINUTES OF FAME
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:23:00
EID:459c 203392e0
-=> Quoting David Hilling to All <=-
DH> _One of_, my ass. That reminds me, MR. Rollins; what exactly _does_
a
DH> goat's penis tatse like?
I don't know if I had anything 'nice' to say to him this time around or
not. But I'll bet Kris is disagreeing with him...especially with MY last
post to her in hand.
I almost wish I could pull that echo. Wouldn't it just make their little
hearts go pitty-pat to find out that **I** have family in
Smoke Hole?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: SPEAR IN SIDE
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:04:00
EID:bed3 20339080
-=> Quoting Douglas Duke to Preston Simpson <=-
DD> After the resurrection on that first first-day sabbath, JESUS met
Can you tell me how most christians get 3 days out of a time span from
Friday afternoon to Sunday morning? I can't even get it to stretch to 48
hours, let alone 72.
... Revenge is damp - any cat.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 20 Jan 96 08:00:00
EID:c382 20344000
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> He did what? (stark disbelief.)
AS> (Slowly building fury.) He did WHAT????
AS> Here I was feeling bad I might have been too harsh with him, calling
AS> his JFK-bugaboo "nuttier than a jar of Planter's." Good to know. I had
AS> no idea he had gone that far.
Yeah, he did that. And recently I saw where he had put in a post something
on the order of 'where did I put that book of jokes about queers with
AIDS'. Some may have thought it was his attempt at humor. I don't.
... I agreed to suspend my disbelief, not hang it until dead.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: QUALITY FUNDY TIME
|Date: 20 Jan 96 08:11:00
EID:3c98 20344160
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Fredric Rice <=-
DW> I think we're finally making a dent in their reserves. Give us two
DW> hundred more years, and we'll be facing "Tim Allen" grunters.
Do you really think they'll progress that far in that short a time?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 08:13:00
EID:31f7 203441a0
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Judith Bandsma <=-
DW> Have you seen Giger's _Biomechanics_? It's a coffee table art book
DW> (that's big enough to double as a coffee table with the addition of
DW> four legs) that was only printed in Germany (I think). My sister
DW> picked up a copy for me when she saw that Harlan Ellison had done the
DW> introduction.
DW> It's pretty damned unsettling, too.
No, haven't seen that one. Maybe I'll look for it next time we go to
Holland. (I've seen more of his stuff there than I have here.) I have a
photo here of him in the doorway of his bar in Switzerland. The handles
are carved into some of his 'creations'. And I bought 'Dark Seed', the
game, because he did the artwork for it. Stupid game, but the scenes are
absolutely wonderful.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 20 Jan 96 08:18:00
EID:394b 20344240
-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to Judith Bandsma <=-
GTP> YOU'RE KIDDING?? Even as a child I knew the origins of Oz (much
GTP> similiar to some of the Southern states) and about Botany Bay.
I DO live in South Carolina after all. Just to check, I asked the
neighbor's 15 year old grandson about it the other day. He didn't have
the foggiest notion of what I was talking about. Seems like the only
thing they are teaching nowadays about the settlement of other countries
is the settlement of the US. He knew NOTHING about the British Empire or
the Spanish conquests of Central America, etc. When I asked him if he had
any idea why people in Mexico speak a form of Spanish, all he could say
was 'they just do'. This is not a stupid kid either...straight 'a' student,
skipped 2 grades and will graduate next year. I couldn't believe what I
was hearing.
No wonder people seem to think the US *is* the world. They aren't being
taught any different. Dangerous precedent...very dangerous.
... This echo just gets weirder and weirder. Oh wait. That's me. Sorry.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:17:51
EID:f887 20346a20
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1011497e
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
AL SCHROEDER wrote in a message to ROB BURCHAM:
AS> So theists can be sometimes verbal punching bags for
AS> what you have been thinking for years--?
And why not? They have been perfect PHYSICAL punching-bags for a lot longer.
Best is when you crouch behind one who is stupidly standing on some street
corner just babbling on with their usual bullshit...and have a friend push
him backwards. You can HEAR their shouted obscenities from a mile away!
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Babble Follies
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:31:06
EID:c206 20346be0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10114981
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60c8064c
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
JH>> You have them too?
SQ>> I want them gone.
SR> I threw a wad of chewed-up gum into one of their money
SR> buckets. It had already lost its flavor.
JJH> Anyone know where you can get those exploding dye packets
JJH> that banks use? (Without robbing a bank, that is...)
Gives new purposes to the all too familiar Stink-Bomb! Drop one in and
thank them for being such a perfectly open fundy target as you speed off.
JJH> But I bet they would have a REAL hard time keeping those
JJH> suits white while trying to clean out their bucket after
JJH> someone had dumped a cup full of used copier toner into it.
Hmmmm! Not bad. Up to this point...I've simply been emptying the ash-tray!
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: THUMB-SUCKING FUNDY
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:31:27
EID:f1c3 20346be0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10114982
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 60cf59ff
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Martin Goldberg wrote in a message to AL SCHROEDER:
MG> But still, we're many light years from out nearest other solar
MG> system. Why would life in a life engineered universe be so
MG> sparse? If indeed we are the only ones here, why so infinitely
MG> sparse?
They found those two 'possibly suited for life' planets located orbiting
somewhere in the area of the 'Big Dipper.' Still nothing considered concrete.
MG> These are interesting theories, but still my question is that if
MG> the universe is engineered for life, then why is there none here?
These fundies wish to dream of limitless immortality and endless eternal
existences on all sorts of goofy 'etheric planes'...when they fail to acknowledge
the universal realms that exist within our own back yard of space.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 20 Jan 96 08:02:49
EID:297e 20344040
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310149f9
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89090E38
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Dan were killing time yakking about Fundamentalists R Us:
LB> Jim and Jose were killing time yakking about Fundamentalists R Us:
JG> Samson strength was NOT in His hair!! it was in the Pact that he had
LB> Jose -- this makes THREE posts from you that have apparently just been
LB> shot forth at random,
DC> Jim, not being Random, didn't bother to duck...
*chuckle* I dunno --Jim's about the most random regular in Holysmoke --
you
never know WHAT name will be up top!
LB> them. I seriously doubt Jim needs YOU to explain the tale to him and
DC> Now, just how long have you been reading Jim's posts? Are you
DC> really _that_ sure about it?
Well -- er.....
LB> STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU LEARN TO READ.
DC> Not a good move, Lynda, as none of us will ever see another post
DC> from Jose. And, to think that you could have pawned Staal and
DC> Gomez off on a beautiful relationship....
It still might happen -- Gomez told me I shouldn't have said that -- makes
me
look "primative", dotcha know. (guess he hasn't started those spelling
lessons
yet either)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... New regulations means new jobs for new regulators!
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 20 Jan 96 06:48:09
EID:8786 20343600
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310149fa
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1ec
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Robert were killing time yakking about ARK:
LB> On an entirely different topic, I'm reading a history of astronomers,
LB> and one of the little tidbits that caught my eye was that Christian
LB> Huygens, in the late 1600s, designed an internal combustion
LB> engine...and did absolutely nothing with it, since it was just a little
LB> time-killer.
RJ> Hey, could you give me that source? When I took a class on
RJ> the Stuart dynasty, I did my termpaper on the Scientific
RJ> Revolution. Huygen's name popped up in my research on the
RJ> founding of the Royal Society, and he's better known for his
RJ> astronomical work, but seeing as I might consider going back to
RJ> history for a master's in something like history of science,
RJ> that's just the sort of thing I'd like to look into.
RJ> What sort of fuel?
Unfortunately, I can quote you the entire paragraph where it's mentioned
--
I'm sure a good biography of him would yield more.
It's from AND THERE WAS LIGHT by Rudolf Thiel, (about the history of astronomy)
and comes at the tag end of a chapter on Huygens, where it discusses his
contributions toward particle wave theory (he proposed that there was an
"ether" through which light and sound traveled) and calculus:
"The last of his inspirations was an effort to drive wheels by the force
of
exploding gunpowder, utilizing a kind of cannon with pistons that would
be
pushed back and forth by the explosions. He hazily conceived the
internal-combustion engine two centuries before its birth."
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Be spontaneous ... combust.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 20 Jan 96 07:09:29
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Judith and Robert were killing time yakking about ABORTION:
JB> freemales here (typo intentional) are going to let her go unchallenged.
JB> Most of us have lived through too much that was justified 'in the name
JB> of god' to allow her to go without trying to shake her as much as
JB> possible.
RJ> Good luck. Any male that would try is just hopelessly deluded
RJ> by Satan's lies. Only some non-ruled females are Satan's
RJ> minions, the others are just "angry" over their shitty deal in
RJ> the past, of which "God had nothing to do with it". She might
RJ> listen to the latter on a visceral level, even as she ignores
RJ> and makes light of them.
It's not likely that anyone here will ever know if we got through to her
at
all. But everyone has nights where they can't sleep and can't keep themselves
busy enough to avoid thinking when the words we've been trying not to listen
to DO sink in, even a little And it might make a difference in such an
indirect way that even SHE never makes the connection. Let's hope so, if
not
for Maria, then for her daughter's sake -- even though Maria has chosen
her
lifestyle, and seems content enough with it, she just might decide to allow
her daughter to know that she need not follow Mom's footsteps. Maybe. (I
know
it's a slim hope)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... It's only hopeless if you walk away.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 20 Jan 96 07:17:17
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Boni and Ken were killing time yakking about Christian Jobs:
BH>This is not the first time I have read an ad of this nature, and the
BH>more it happens, the ANGRIER I find myself!!!
BH> This is a real ad, taken from "The News Avertiser", January 7,
BH> 1996:
BH> CHRISTIAN HORIZONS
BH> Front line staff required to work with developmentally and
BH> behaviourally challanged individuals in group home settings.
BH> Working from a Christian perspective, education and experience
BH> are required.
BH> Apply in writing to:
BH> 575 Wentworth Street East,
BH> Unit 20, Oshawa Ont.
BH> etc. etc. etc.
KW> Looks fine to me. If the organization is owned and run by
KW> christians why shouldn't they be able to choose who they
KW> want as employees?
BH>Now, I have also seen jobs for "Christian truckdriver wanted" and "Born
BH>again carpenter".
KW> Again, if the organization is owned and run by christians, why
KW> can't they choose who they want?
The ad Boni is quoting sounds like the job itself entails some sort of
Christian based counselling, so I can see where it's legitimate enough to
want
someone who is Christian -- but truckdrivers and carpenters? What would
their
religious orientation have to do with doing the job? What if the ad said
"Jews need not apply"? Would it still look okay to you?
KW> If the organization is owned and run by christians who want their
KW> employees to teach christianity then they should have a right to
KW> this kind of employee.
Why would a truckdriver or carpenter be expected to "teach Christianity"?
BH>NOTE TOO: that the first qualification is to be Christian--the rest
BH>appear to be negotiable!
KW> The guy who owns the business calls the shots.
Can't say how it is in Canada, but here in the U.S. that's not exactly so
--
we have laws against discriminatory hiring practices. Would it be okay
if
the ad said "Whites only."?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Balloons and Government both require Hot Air to float
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: George Rudzinsky
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 20 Jan 96 07:28:08
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George and Robert were killing time yakking about COINCIDENCE SEVEN:
GR> But there is going to come a day when dad won't be there to solve the
GR> problems. As a parent I can do nothing less than prepare him for that
GR> day, and that means teaching him how to solve his own problems. It
GR> hurts to see him fail, it hurts to see him get frustrated, but it is
GR> worth that look on his face when he dusts himself off, with direction
GR> of course, and solves the problems.
GR> It isn't the easy way, but it is the correct way.
George -- you just described perfectly the Christian concept of why God
lets
us make harmful mistakes (THE question flying around here recently). Do
you
feel you are a bad or neglectful parent when you let your child fail? Do
you
get off on watching him suffer, or does it bother you as much as it bothers
him?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "All great discoveries are made by mistake." -- Young's Law
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Female Circumcision, yet
|Date: 20 Jan 96 07:35:15
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David and Robert were killing time yakking about Female Circumcision, yet:
DW> The Angles just got there and took things over before the Saxons did.
RJ> ...who snicked it from the Gaels, who pilfered it from the
RJ> Picts, who drove out the...uh, who did the Picts displace?
The Toothbrushes.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "The Devil made me do it" (snicker)
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Ann Nunn
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Helping fundies
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:24:02
EID:d1c9 20349300
MSGID: 1:396/17.0 310187a2
FR>FR> Do you think there's really any chance of helping anyone?
FR>rv> It lays the ground work, for those who believe in the belief in the
FR>rv> worth of humans ,without any god or goddest.
FR>You know, that's probably what's important. Letting people
FR>know that healthy, helpful, intelligent people can and do
FR>exist without deity constructs might just go a long way
FR>toward helping them understand that they don't need to
FR>continue to believe to live useful, productive lives/
I agree, and that's what I'd really like to do, but don't you think that
if I did, I might get fired from my job-- teaching high school?
At the very least, I believe my job could get considerably more
difficult than it is. It is in the nature of adolescents to be at war
with the grups (remember that StarTrek episode?), and they are clever
enough to find ways to divide and conquer. Education, even public
education, is saturated with folks who are "good Christians"; elected
school boards are even more inundated by candidates who feel the need to
appear to be on God's side. Them's the facts; sorry, but I don't feel
like committing sutee.
The rule is apparently, "Don't ask; don't tell." On the school
grounds I follow that rule.
Ann
___
X OLX 2.1 TD X The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend
--- Maximus 3.00
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:43:07
EID:989c 20336d60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310153ed
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-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Sue Alexander <=-
CM> There was a point in time when I didn't believe in Christ, or God.
CM> My best friend was an atheist, and didn't believe either. THEN I
CM> started thinking.
Were you raised in a household that believed in God? When you
started thinking, had you just acquired a new friend or 2? Had you just
had an arguement with your best friend of that time?
CM> I realized that all of this (the world, etc.)
CM> could not have come about by itself. I did not mutate from pond
CM> scum, or a monkey. If there was a "big bang", then God made it
CM> happen.
There are many deities that people worship out there, Christian.
Even if you discard the evidence around you that evolution occurs and
that life can come from "pond scum" when in the correct environment, how
do you *REALLY* know that it is your God that is out there making it
happen? It could be Zeus, Odin, Gaia, or any of a number of other
deities, and if so they are probably pissed at you for not worshipping
them.
Sue
... The creationists are correct... THEY haven't evolved!.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 20 Jan 96 02:57:08
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-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to J.J. Hitt <=-
SA> Hm. I thought there was a pope who died of a gun wound back in the
SA> 70s or early 80s. I guess my memory's just gotten muddled due to
SA> youth at the time, and the passage of time itself. Did, perhaps,
SA> the last pope merely get shot, and then died of old age, to be
SA> replaced by the current one?
Actually, the pope who got shot IS the current pope. He was shot in the
early 80's, close to the time of the assasination attempt on Reagan. If
I remember correctly, he came very close to death from that, and that is
the reason that he now rides in the "popemobile".
Sue
... "Mr Worf! Fire at Will!" >BZZZT< "Hey, where's Riker?"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 10:41:02
EID:737f 20345520
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AS> ...doesn't it give you a mild feeling of the willies to
AS> know that Ronald Reagen, in charge of America during the
AS> last stages of the Cold War, and access to the Button that
AS> could Blow Us All Away, was getting advice from his wife's
AS> astrologer?
No worse that the chill that still runs down my spine when I
remember that for about half the time he had his finger on
the button, he was under the impression ICBMs could be
recalled after being launched.
ooOOoo
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: We're having a FIESTA!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 10:57:40
EID:9f24 20345720
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d6fb4e
ML> Over in my neck of the woods (San Antonio East...ack...Katy),
ML> there's a new "African Hair Goods and Food Store". If you need
ML> ghoeuzhaco or "rift flattener", this is the place to go.
Seen recently in a 99 cent store: Dead Sea Salts for the bath (a
product of Jordan). Just in case your body has a shortage of heavy
metals, you can soak in this preparation (heavily scented with
menthol, probably for good reason).
ooOOoo
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: HAVE A HAPPY
|Date: 20 Jan 96 11:06:36
EID:93bd 203458c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d71b4c
REPLY: 1:250/1004 0712eb0b
BH> I'm not sure we *have* good and evil. I think that is a
BH> matter of human conception. For example: In human terms,
BH> the holocaust was "evil". From this, the State of Isreal was
BH> born and in human terms, this would be deemed, "good". I
BH> would be more inclined to say that the holocaust was
BH> destructive, the building of Isreal constructive.
If you were one of the people who were already living in the
land of Palestine when a bunch of Europeans decided to create
the nation of Israel you might have other ideas.
While I disagree with the methods used by the PLO and other
groups acting in the name of the "Palestinian cause", the
Palestinians have a legitimate greivance that is every
bit as valid as that of any displaced people.
ooOOoo
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 20 Jan 96 11:22:38
EID:3091 20345ac0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d72e12
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0700c242
SM> Barbiophobia (the fear of sharp objects) exists in the
SM> human race for a REASON.
Are you sure that isn't the fear of Barbie dolls?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Buttpimple Satanist Update
|Date: 20 Jan 96 11:27:39
EID:6ada 20345b60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d73aa9
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day NINE of my Satanic Curse.
Nothing has happened.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:02:02
EID:f64a 20346840
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d83c82
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fefddd
JG>> You are not eating him,
DW> You're damned right *I'm* not eating him. Dave don't play
DW> that shit. You, on the other hand, eat his flesh and drink
DW> his blood everytime you partake of Communion. You're a
DW> sick little bugger.
I'm sicker! I'm sicker!
It occurs to me that communion wafers have to come from
somewhere. (I admit this isn't an incredibly brilliant
observation.) Some place like a bakery. So, it stands
to reason that there has to be a way to buy Jesus Chips
in bulk.
I think I'll check the local church supply stores and
see if I cant get a five or ten pound bag. I'll start
out by trying Cheze-Whiz on Jesus. (I'll call it
Chese-on-Jeeze.) Then I can try and see what sort of
dips he goes well with (not the sort of dips we have here on
the echo, but stuff like picante sauce). Then there are
Jesus Nachos to try out. If I can get some of those Big
Hosts that some churches use, I'll see if I cant build
a pizza on top of them. Or maybe I'll just bust Jesus
up and eat him with soup and chili. If worst comes to
worst (Jesus simply doesn't taste good on anything), then
I'll grind him into crumbs and fry chicken with him.
Chicken ala Jesus.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Redacted Stories
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:19:50
EID:c3e0 20346a60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d8632d
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fa51d4
KM> I'll invite anyone to church.
I make it a point to accept such invitations.
(Not just churches but any "worship" festivity.)
However, I rarely get invited back a second time.
And only once, with a group of extremely nutty Nichiren
Shosttu Bhuddists, was I invited back a third time.
These folks make a big deal about chanting, at breakneck
speed, a lengthy litany in Japanese. After I finally
figured out the rythm, I started making up my own words,
going "ding dong, ding ding dong, blah blah, walla-walla
bing-bang" in time along with them.
Yet they were so desparate for converts they still wanted
me to come back yet again... (and frankly, that scared
the shit out of me).
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Soul train
|Date: 20 Jan 96 13:44:02
EID:a981 20346d80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d88b63
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fa598e
KM> 1. Death on this earth, your body stops living and dies,
KM> however your soul or spirit lives on.
Which one? The soul or the spirit?
You keep talking about them like they are one and the same.
And yet the bible is quite clear that they are two different
things:
HEB 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the *dividing*
*asunder* of *soul* and *spirit*, and of the joints and marrow, and
[is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I COR 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living *soul*; the last Adam [was made] a quickening *spirit*.
I THES 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and
[I pray God] your whole spirit *and* soul and body be preserved
blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So, if my soul goes to Hell, where does my spirit go? Is there
anything to stop my soul from going to Heaven if my spirit
ends up in Hell? (Be prepaired to defend your answer with
relevant passages from the Bible.)
Looks to me like the editors of the Bible accidentally left some
traces of Gnosticism in it.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Female Circumcision,
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:24:38
EID:cb76 20347300
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d8dacf
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89090E36
DAP>> This was bout 2 years ago when I was in cash register repair.
JH>> A very formal business relationship involves discussing
JH>> your client's genitals?
DC> They carried change purses and he fixed them when the 3
DC> requesite quarters weren't returned after "services
DC> rendered".
You fuck vending machines?
"Damnit! I pushed the button for Diet Pepsi and got a blow
job from Michael Jackson instead!"
(I have absolutely no idea whatsoever as to what you were
trying to tell me in the above.)
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Bop-A-Pope, 5 tries for a quarter
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:45:20
EID:3b5b 203475a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d909da
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 30fec130
SA>> Speaking of Prewett's "theory" - didn't the last pope who
SA>> was assassinated get a head wound, too?
JH>> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent
JH>> history being assassinated.
SA> Hm. I thought there was a pope who died of a gun wound
SA> back in the 70s or early 80s. I guess my memory's just
SA> gotten muddled due to youth at the time, and the passage of
SA> time itself. Did, perhaps, the last pope merely get shot,
SA> and then died of old age, to be replaced by the current
SA> one?
No. The last pope died on the toilet. (there's your HEAD wound)
He wasn't in office long enough to attract any assassins.
The one prior to him died of old age.
The CURRENT pope was the target of an assassination ATTEMPT.
But they shot him in belly. And he lived, either that or no
one has noticed that he was replaced with an android.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:49:46
EID:f0e5 20347620
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60d915a2
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30fdd2bc
RJ> Lessee...it's got heart, liver, lungs, oats, rosemary, thyme,
RJ> onions & odds 'n' ends (salt, pepper, nutmeg) all stuffed in the
RJ> stomach.
You forgot the DOT "BioHazard" label required by law.
RJ> Big splash of scotch.
Light the thing and move up wind.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:05:33
EID:4c8a 203490a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dae118
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 30ffb398
JJH>> If it wasn't for their appeal to teenagers, all three of
JJH>> the above belief systems would dry up and blow away
JJH>> overnight.
GtP> You need to research more.
Uh huh...
GtP> In our community we have a pretty good population of
GtP> "elders"....ie, retired folks who have been practicing
GtP> witchcraft for several generations.
And you have demographic evidence to support this claim?
I need it for my "research".
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: the virgin Mary
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:22:49
EID:18cb 203492c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60db1637
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3100361a
DW>> "For a message from the Virgin Mary, call 1-800-345-MARY."
SA> Heeheehee. So what do y'know? It is a real number - and
SA> it's still up.
It won't be for too much longer. Their visionary died last summer.
Now their radio program is having to replay tapes made in the 70's
and 80's. As might be expected, they are loaded with failed
prophecies that now have to be "explained".
Priest voice: "When Our Lady, through Veronica, said 'in two years'
it obviously must not have meant 'two years from now', but rather
two years after some other prophetic event."
I'm going to miss these people when they finally fold.
They are the I_UFO of Catholicism.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:24:40
EID:e814 2034ab00
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dcb377
On Jan 19 07:08 96, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/911 wrote:
JH>> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent
JH>> history
RJ>> Like 1978?
JB> Not only was he NOT killed in the attempt, it wasn't even a
JB> head wound. He was gut-shot. Lost several feet of his
JB> intestine and had to wear a colostomy bag for almost a
JB> year.
You've mis-directed this message.
It's Sue Armstrong who thinks a recent pope was shot.
Robert is making a sly joke at the conspiracy theories that
John Paul ONE was murdered.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: LARRY SITES
|Sub: Koresh
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:48:22
EID:e08e 2034ae00
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dcef1d
me> I listened to Koresh's "give me an hour of air time and
me> we'll come out" sermon of March 2, 1993 and Koresh was no
me> public speaker. My impression at the time (and now) was
me> that it was Koresh's first, last and only attempt at
me> speaking before an audience. He probably had flunkys do his
me> "teaching" for him within the compound.
LS> I see what you mean. I thought I saw or read that he did
LS> his own teaching however, and for HOURS on end. Maybe
LS> that's why the guys gave him their wives, to shut him up.
To give the bastard the benefit of a doubt that he doesnt
deserve, I have to mention that he did have three bullets
in him at the time and was probably not at his best form.
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:10:55
EID:0e79 2034b140
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dd1f35
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89040F08
JG> I have personally seen the strength of Satan - but I've also
JG> seen the strength of Yhwh (God).
Have any evidence of either?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:18:36
EID:75b5 2034b240
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dd3046
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 11555a71
KW> Ah, so. This sounds like the area around Georgia Tech,
KW> right next to down town Atlanta. Or the Segundo Barrio
KW> here.
Segundo Barrio?
What happened to the first one?
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:30:42
EID:4897 2034b3c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dd54b1
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89040F09
JG> Guys.....GET A LIFE!!!
Why? So I can be like you?
Not a fucking chance.
Get a new cliche.
JG> You can't go around condeming people! Only God can judge!!
And you just happen to God's spokesman. Yeah, right.
Fuck you.
(Mind you, I didn't say that. I'm here to witness for
Shalube. And Shalube has that message for you.)
JG> Just stop fighting like little kids and get on your knees!!
SUBMIT! SUBMIT! damnitall, I said SUBMIT!
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: All
|Sub: Hot Quotes - An alternative to the FAQ
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:45:39
EID:7774 2034b5a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60dd7255
Date: Mon Dec 11 1995
From: George Pope
Get it out of your head. I'm not on a hate agenda against queers.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Fri Dec 08 1995
From: Chuck Cohenour Jr.
Kevin, You obviously won quit a lot of spelling BEE's.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Fri Dec 08 1995
From: Chuck Cohenour Jr.
DOOFUS...? what exactly is a doofus anyway and where is that in the
Bible?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Sat Dec 09 1995
From: Christian Miller
To: Judith Bandsma
JB> Having a set of balls doesn't make you a man, little boy.
I know this chick-e-poo. Thanks for caring.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Dec 12 1995
From: Christian Miller
Since MAN was created in the image of God, obviously He has a penis.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Fri Dec 29 1995
From: Christian Miller
Hey now! I do have a Horse's Ass membership card.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Tue Jan 02 1996
From: Martin Goldberg
The International Zionist Conspiracy knows where he lives. We're a
bunch of hungry mad demons tht want to control everything from world
finanaces to morons.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Fri Jan 05 1996
From: Kenneth Mcabee
Yup, traveling by train is one of my favorites. You can be in the
train and it appears that everything else is moving. You can be
outside the train watching it and get the feeling that you are
moving instead of the train. So how can we besure that we aren't
watching the universe go by, instead of us moving with it?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Fri Jan 05 1996
From: Kenneth Mcabee
If God made the earth stand still and the universe rotate around
it, it would be easy for him to alter the course of the universe
so that the sun hits a different section of the earth for a
different length of time to create the different seasons.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Tue Jan 09 1996
From: Andrew Masten
Three hundred years ago modern scientist postulated that the Earth
was supported on the back of a giant turtle. The Bible in Job said
it was hung on nothing.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Date: Sun Jan 14 1996
From: Jose Gomez
Just stop fighting like little kids and get on your knees!!
ooOOoo
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Josh Talbot
|Sub: The Christian bible
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:29:56
EID:0b94 20350ba0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60def846
REPLY: 1:260/801.0 30f99149
JT> I would like to point out to all who use the Cristian bible
JT> to prove their points that during the middle ages the priest
JT> class was the only one that could read the bible. They
JT> didn't prevent anyone who wanted to from reading it... just
JT> the majority of the people couldn't read. Also that the
JT> priest class was copying the bible to make new copies. Now
JT> dosen't this sound like the perfect situation to alter a
JT> document to reflect the views of the priest class?
Unfortunately this scenario is somewhat flawed. There were
scriptoriums all over Europe. Communications was slow and
ineffective. If the copyists were that eager to make changes
to the texts then each and every region would have a completely
different version of the Bible. This is not the case.
There were editorial changes and additions to the books of the
Bible, but you'll have look at an earlier era that the Medival
period to find them.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Yer running out of time!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:35:30
EID:2b85 20350c60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60df00ce
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TEN of my Satanic Curse.
Nothing has happened.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: So -shoot- me!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:43:58
EID:2cde 20350d60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60df1391
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fff160
JH>> ....and Florida has really been pushing it's luck.
DW> If Jesse doesn't come up with a new spiel for Easter,
DW> Florida *will* be twitted. That "evil" and "empty" shit
DW> was funny the first 300 times, but it is getting pretty
DW> damned old.
Don't forget Christian Miller and his sex-shop BBS.
Or 'The Raven' and his notion that vendetas are the
way to protect his family.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR...
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:47:00
EID:a2db 20350de0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60df39c6
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 42266217
KW> Anyway, the Texas Masons are so darn contrary that
KW> they split off from whatever Mason International is and went
KW> their own sweet way.
Each and every state has it's own "Grand Lodge" that is wholy
autonomous and independent and not obligated to recognize any
other Grand Lodge. (It gets even more complicated when you
include the black Prince Hall Grand Lodges. You really need a
score card to keep track of who recognizes who.)
It's not unique to Texas, but is SOP in the US and has been
since the Revolution.
There was an attempt to form a Grand Lodge of the United States
with the then elderly and retired George Washington as it's
Grand Master. Washington gave them the brush off, saying that
he'd lost interest in all of that shit. There was never a
second attempt to form a GL-USA.
Internationally, most national GL's recognize the United Grand
Lodge of England (UGLE) of the One Big Mother Of Them All. The
majority of US GL's do not (another tradition that dates back
to the Revolution).
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: LARRY SITES
|To: ALL
|Sub: Les Wilcox: hypocrite
|Date: 19 Jan 96 12:01:00
EID:76d4 20336020
LES WILCOX to DAN CEPPA on 01-15-96 23:47 re: Conference Guidelines
LS>What is a "christian"? A licensed fucking thief! Biased on your
LS>hypocritical actions. If jesus exists, is he proud of you?
LW> Grow up! I've already explained that this program doesn't have
LW> a 30 day limitation from the author. You worry about registering
DC>your
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
DC>Are you done evaluating it? Or are you too stupid to understand
DC>the concept?
LW> Show me that stipulations from the author or shut up!
From the nag screen that forces one to find the ok to continue button out
of 5 random placements:
"Wave Rider is Shareware. If you like the program please register it."
Alone with the reg benes is listed the price and THREE different ways to
pay. I got this screen by renaming my key file and this message will show
as unregestered in the tag area.
This TYPICAL christian hypocrite has seen this nag screen EVERY FUCKING
time he started it for at LEAST a year. Too bad he didn't read HIS OWN
FUCKING Wholly Babble when it says EVERY workman deserves his pay.
HYPO-FUCKING-CHRISTete!!! This dumbass is gonna burn in his own hell.
Larry Sites Fuck AOL/Focus on the Family
Freq FORGERY.ZIP, Falisfy Fundi father fakery
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Samhain old shit/4
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:09:30
EID:9f6a 20344920
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b167
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f9ee6f
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
RJ>> dump the wife of 12 years and buy a red Ferrari, we know
RJ>> we've hit middle age.
GtP>> Hmmmm...so how do you know when you've reached manhood?
RJ> As they say in the South: "A boy isn't a man until his daddy
RJ> tells him he is."
RJ> Otherwise, I think "first incursion of deep debt" counts.
ACK! Don't say. May my sons NEVER be men.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Alas! The poor Tagline. I knew it well.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: -------
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:10:12
EID:385d 20344940
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b18d
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f9ee70
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
LC>>> Oooohh, silly little pagan.You know not what you do.
RJ>> Heh heh heh... };{>
GtP>> Ahhhh, I think Luke has been here too long. He's sounding like the
GtP>> rest of us pagans.
RJ> All part of the ebb and flow...
Hmmmmm....sounds mighty "pagan" to me.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Not a shred of evidence exists that life is serious.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:10:41
EID:a4f2 20344940
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b321
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f9ee83
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
GtP>>> I worship the Earth. She exists and all we have comes from Her.
RJ>> Why worship? No one ever wants to give me an answer.
GtP>> Cuz it's fun??
RJ> I used to torture small animals as a child because it was fun.
!!!! NO! How horrible. Well, at least doing ritual doesn't hurt anyone
or anything, and, in fact, probably keeps the candle industry going.
I "worship" or do ritual for a number of reason....high on the list being
that it appeals to the dramatic in me. I enjoy dressing up in mysterious
robes and chanting....but, then, I WAS raised Roman Catholic . Also,
I find that ritual is a part of everyday life. Ya get up, go pee, brush
your teeth, put on the coffee, read the paper or flip on the news, etc,
etc. For me, "magical" ritual is the same thing. When I have a problem,
the familiarity of the ritual itself can be a comfort. Additionally, it
allows me to leave the mundane behind and concentrate on my needs and issues...and
then, at least in my imagination, solve some of my problems. Sometimes,
because of the power of the mind, this translates into my regular life.
Sometimes not. How knows what lurks in the subconscious of pooh bears.
So, is that a good enough answer?
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Bother, said Pooh, as he got splattered all over the place.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:17:32
EID:0b05 20344a20
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b5d6
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
GtP>> It isn't quite the same thing. Manhood ritual are for men and
GtP>> womanhood rituals are for women....they are not so much to EXCLUDE
GtP>> the other sex as to celebrate the oneness of all women (or men).
We
GtP>> also have rituals that celebrate to union of the sexes or the beauty
GtP>> of the differences of the sexes. To deny that men and women are
GtP>> different, to deny them the right to share the things with others
of
GtP>> their sex, is
RJ> I for one, don't deny the differences in sexes. But how much
RJ> is physical, and how much is the product of generations of
RJ> social engineering?
Just got the book _When God Was a Woman_...it preports to be an archealogical
study of matriarchy. Maybe it will give me hints how to answer you. At
this point I would say that the differences are BOTH nurture and nature.
Women have a womb, men don't. It all comes down to that.
GtP>> foolish. A man could probably come to one of our meetings, but he
GtP>> would either be bored or feel embarassed. Can you see a man at a
RJ> Hey-hey! Why do you suppose there's so much friction between
RJ> the genders? Could it be because of...traditions of separation?
But who is responsible IF it is a tradition. The other night one of my
co-workers and I were discussing childbirth, breast feeding, and other assorted
female ailments. One of her male friends was listening and would periodically
leave and go to the other side of the store...because it was "gross". (BTW,
this is the same guy who will discuss killing things and death in startling
detail...he IS an ass) Would it surprise you if I told you that gay men
are not nearly as sqeamish??
RJ> Besides, women get together over a bottle of chardonnay and
RJ> chat about these things in the suburbs--or various other forms
RJ> of "the gals" getting together, just like guys do the exact
same
RJ> thing. But what is the purpose of making a _religious_ritual_
RJ> out of it? Why muddle up things which can be done in purely
RJ> secular terms by making something more of it than it _needs_
to
RJ> be? Would you attach a fourth wheel to a tricycle?
Some things just don't matter to the other sex. Men aren't interested in
our periods....we are. Ritualizing and celebrating our womanhood helps
us feel good about ourselves. We wouldn't have excluded a man who wanted
to come to my daughter's ritual, but why would he want to do so?
GtP>> How can I be sure of this?? The coven I belonged to was
GtP>> predominately female. And more than once we would have only one or
GtP>> two men show up and female conversation would dominate the pre and
GtP>> post ritual conversation. Wild Hunter has expressed to me his
GtP>> discomfit at being the only male in that bunch.
RJ> Understandably so. Of course, by making a religious matter
RJ> out of things, it's understandable why worldwide that there
is
RJ> a further sense of alienation among sexes, races, creeds--
RJ> because the inherent differences in these subsets of the human
RJ> experience are often arbitrarily drawn, then reinforced with
RJ> thicker lines as "something higher" is used to dictate those
RJ> separations. Of course, this isn't particularly referential
to
RJ> the immediately preceeding paragraph, but you understand my
point?
Yes, in a way. But why does being different have to be bad. Can't we celebrate
our differences as well as our similarities?? Being different doesn't have
to be a stumbling block or a fence. A homogenized society does NOT appeal
to me.
RJ> So anyway...why worship, why ritualize? No one ever gives me
RJ> a good answer. It makes me all the more skeptical about its
RJ> supposed intrinsic value each time my question fails to elicit
RJ> a reasoned response.
See my last post.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... It was a mixed marriage; I'm Pagan, he's a Klingon...
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: paul
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:29:01
EID:3c94 20344ba0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b5ee
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
MH>> Just one minor correction -- Paul was very much a Jew. He was not
MH>> Roman. (Until later on in his missionary career, when he was roamin'
MH>> all over the place ... ) :)
GtP>> Not according to his own words. Acts 22:27-28--The commander went
to
GtP>> Paul and asked, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" "Yes, I am,"
he
GtP>> answered. The the commander said, "I had to pay a big price for my
GtP>> citizenship" "But I was born a citizen," Paul replied. (NIV)
RJ> The NRSV backs that up, and so does the KJV, albeit in more
RJ> archaic words.
I like using both.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... What do you call a blonde between two brunettes? A mental block.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:29:29
EID:0426 20344ba0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b640
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
RJ> I find Jesse Christ a welcome change. The jeezoids who
RJ> rail at us eeeeevil atheists are convinced we are the unwitting
RJ> tools of Satan, who also makes all the little pagan boys and
RJ> girls--but pagans are actually just Satanists and they all
RJ> secretly know it. Jesse takes a different tack. Paganry is
a
RJ> big conspiracy designed by atheists to deceive people into
RJ> adopting...*beLIEfs*!
There are several Christians in here that I enjoy because I like them.
There are even more that are just funny. Jesse at least tries to de-demonized
stuff.
RJ> You just don't get this kind of entertainment on TV, foax.
Too true. Maybe that's why I'm always here and not watching tv.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... My life is cluttered with facts.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Baking bread
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:30:52
EID:4c56 20344bc0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b66f
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Gwenny:
DC>>> Did you ever get the info on high altitude baking that I
GTP>> <>
GTP>> Got it! Thanks!
DC> No problem... Please let me know if that helps or if you need
DC> any additional information.
Sure will. Today is shopping, I may try one out tonight.
DC> (Jesse, note: That post to Gwenny is a "Good Work!)
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... "Yum," said Pooh, as he licked the hunny off of Bo Derek.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:32:56
EID:bbdf 20344c00
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b735
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Heilsa, Jesse!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Jesse say to Gwenny:
GT>> Well, I'll tell ya what....ya need to meet me.
JJ> Ya know, Gwen.... You may be right.
I'm RIGHT?
GT>> Christianity was the
GT>> experiment for me....it didn't work. I am pagan. I even have diety
GT>> beliefs...which I am much to smart to air in this forum.
JJ> Doesn't your fear say something very negative about this place?
I
JJ> for one would be very receptive to hearing about those beliefs. It
is a
JJ> shame this cannot be a place to share those safely.
And I would have no problem sharing my beliefs...anywhere else. It's not
that I'm afraid, it's just that I know I have nothing to support what I
believe. Why try. I wouldn't serve pizza to someone allergic to tomatoes,
either.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail, (G)rab_Hammer
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: hi
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:35:20
EID:6cdd 20344c60
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Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Katherine say to Gwenny:
GTP>KW>> And welcome back, you've been missed.
GTP>> Thank you. And I've missed you. I think of you often.
KW> Wheee, another priestess for the Holysmoke Get Together Chocolate
KW> Ritual!!!
Are we really going to get together??? That would be so cool!
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Kali made me do it.
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|From: Josh Talbot
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: The Christian bible
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:07:34
EID:92fb 2033b8e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:260/801.0 31012a9a
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Josh Talbot <=-
JT> intended to offend any worshipers of the sacraficed god. Just to
JT> illuminate and provide understanding.
DC> So, explain to me: How is it that your sacrificed god still lives?
I don't know. I am not a member of the sacraficed gods religion.
Would a member of that religion have misspelled christian (I think
phonetically... the spelling of that is not phonetic)?
--The Knight
... I will not yell "She's Dead" at roll call -Bart Simpson
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|From: Josh Talbot
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: The Christian bible
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:11:03
EID:3150 2033b960
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:260/801.0 31012a9b
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You seem to have missed the point. I know it's a collection of
writeings put togeather. I was just trying to point out to the fundys why
they should not use their bible to prove anything.
--The Knight
... Gross Ignorance: 144 Fundies.
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|From: Josh Talbot
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Why
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:13:38
EID:68f9 2033b9a0
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:260/801.0 31012a9c
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-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Josh Talbot <=-
KW> I rather doubt that he was any such thing. My personal suspicion is
KW> that he's claiming that because it gets him a lot of attention and ego
KW> petting at their top each other at how big a sinner they were
KW> sweepstakes.
Hmm, good theory. And alot better than the idea that someone who
chose their own religion gave it up for the one they rejected.
--The Knight
... Chain Lightning: For when you just can't stop at one.
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|From: Josh Talbot
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:15:55
EID:5a73 2033b9e0
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Josh Talbot <=-
DW> Maybe you could explain why "damn" is profane?
JT> I know why they're considered profane... The church of the
JT> sacraficed god didn't like them.
DC> So, why does your damn church go about damning everyone to hell?
DC> BTW, any reason that you think your sacrificed god is still alive?
Dan, you seem to be laboring under a mis-conception. I am not
christian. I do not understand any of the basic christian concepts.
So stop insulting me by asking me the questions you would ask a fundy.
--The Knight
... "All I got for Christmas was a lousy bag of rocks..." - Weird Al
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:21:51
EID:0ff6 20340aa0
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB3
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
No, my friend, you are. I only pray that in time, He will show you His
power. Until then, you are in my prayers.
+- Jose -+
....God'll getcha!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:24:20
EID:4349 20340b00
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB4
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
In the book of Acts, the documentation speaks for itself. I thank you
for giving Jesus the chance to speak. Just keep your spirit open.
+- Jose -+
....God'll getcha!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:33:01
EID:628b 20340c20
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB5
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
George, you don't have to trust me!
I will not test the Lord, my God!! He has proven enough to me. If He
has not proven Himself to you, and has left you alone, then you have no
reason to believe. I do not ask you to believe in something that is not
evident to you. If you have given Him a chance and called Him with your
heart.....
It's all a matter of time.
God'll getcha!! Then, you won't need your pills!
+- Jose -+
...I am not a prophet, only a vessel.
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: Jeezoids
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:39:59
EID:80b4 20340ce0
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB6
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
I WILL pray for you, George. And, He WILL come knocking on your door.
And, if you pills do in fact even exist, they'll go to waste. My God is
a personal God of love and POWER. In Jesus' name, I pray that God reveal
to you will presence, and that He would heal you of the inner pain that
you feel right now.
In Jesus' name, I ask God to help you with that bitterness that you've
had in your heart for some time now. My the power of God overwhelm and
confort you, my friend. I ask that in the name of the Son of the Living
God. Amen.
+- Jose -+
....Jesus is Lord!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:42:48
EID:ff6a 20340d40
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB7
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
The wisdom of God is foolishness to men. May you catch what I have!!
: ) : )
+- Jose -+
....catch the fever!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:46:03
EID:5f1f 20340dc0
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB8
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
i never said that you should be scared of anything. I said that YOU
would step on YOUR OWN soul. God only wants to heal it.
You don't scare Him either.
+- Jose -+
....God'll getcha!!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 20 Jan 96 01:48:20
EID:c2fe 20340e00
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9AB9
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
Thank you for accepting my apology. Your message was the first plesant
one I have had since writting on this echo.Your grace is appreciated.
+- Jose-+
....God'll getcha!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: All
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 02:15:09
EID:72fd 203411e0
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 890A9ABA
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
Although most of you do not believe in God, and you hate "fundie" and
"jeezoid" claims of talking with God, I want to let you know that God
is VERY real, and He loves you all. One day, face to face, you will
experience that reality. Until then, continue to study and research the
FACTS on the world. You will find the truth in the FACTS. You are all
strong willed, open people who can only talk about what they've seen
with their eyes. I can appreciate that and I encourage you to continue
to be open. It will help you find the truths of the universe.
Heaven always has room for strong people like yourselves. You are ALL
in my prayers.
+- Jose -+
....God'll getcha!!!
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11
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|From: David Sparrow
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 20 Jan 96 03:24:52
EID:c2ff 20341b00
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf83c
MSGID: 3:690/613.8 31004eeb
GR> If he loves me, he will tell you the chemical formula for the pills
on
GR> my monitor, and you will tell me.
Regardless of whether "JG" relays accurately the type of any pills you
may take (oh at a guess, judging from your bitter ravings, surely your
Doctor must have recommended something for your blood-pressure as well
as keeping your angina under control, plus to stave off any repeats of
apoplexy ... I reckon you should be on Nitro heart-kickers, purely for
my own amusement BOC) or what you used to do with your sister is still
no indication as to whether the source is "God", or a "demon", or just
a long chat with someone who used to watch through a hole in the wall.
So, you're being all bitter and twisted for no good reason at all - or
do you mean to tell us that if "JG" gets it right, you are immediately
going to embark upon "developing a relationship" with this "God" which
"JG" knows ? Pah, you're pathetic ... never mind asking a third party
for the info about your tablets; go straight to the top, ask Him (God)
yourself and bypass the line-noise. If HE can't tell ya, then I guess
you'll just have to ask your sister to read you the label.
Regards
David
---
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: JEROMY ALEXANDER
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:02:42
EID:1565 2034b040
MSGID: 3:711/933 310167af
Dear Brother JEROMY ALEXANDER,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
JA> i'm a Christian...
That's a good testimony for anyone!
JA> But i dont believe in all the Christian idea's...
Make up your mind. You can't be a Christian and disagree with any of the
faith.
JA> I do believe in the Big Bang Theories...
JA> But I also believe that God created the universe...
It is one and the _same_ thing. There's no difference.
JA> I think that religions vary from person to person..and that no two
JA> people have the same religion, beliefs..ect.ect.
But religion is contrary to Christianity, and ALL CHristians share the COMMON
faith (John 16:13; I Corinthians 1:10).
JA> My favorite verse in the bible is GEN 9:3.
JA> I interpet that as God saying its ok to smoke weed...
JA> what y'all think of that...
It demonstrates that you are definately not a Christian and definately a
fool.
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:08:55
EID:690d 2034b100
MSGID: 3:711/933 310168d0
Dear Brother Brad Jackson,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You've discovered the greatest of all revelations. The Supreme Deity of
the Lord Jesus Christ - `the beginning of the creation of God' in the
Form of His glorified Family, (the true New Testament Church being the continuation
of the same Creation), LESS than 2000 years ago. NOT the beginning of God's
creation which is the sun, stars, rivers and trees, etc.
Kind regards, and God richly bless you ...
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:14:47
EID:33c4 2034b1c0
MSGID: 3:711/933 31016a5e
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf84a
Dear George Rudzinski,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
GR> Jim Staal has accused me of blasphemy. That is how they got Jesus.
GR> Jesus and I are accused of the same crime.
Well, you're in the best Company. Count yourself blessed to be accounted
worthy to bear the reproach of Jesus the Christ.
GR> Rather funny when it comes from religious zealots with a god in both
GR> cases.
Why so? Satan is religious, and the god of this evil world. His subjects
are therefore religious and worship (serve) him. Though many are athiest
or agnostic.
GR> ... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in
GR> protest.
You would not know a Fundamental if one looked you in the eyes. And those
that would march on Washington wouild be GOATS, not sheep. Read the Book!
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: maria russel in the new_world_order echo
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:19:50
EID:3fb2 2034b260
MSGID: 3:711/933 31016bcb
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 0fd62501
Dear Ryan Shaw,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
RS> So state some "conspiracy" theories and why you don't believe in
RS> them...say...the Illumanati.
Why would any American disbelieve in the Illuminati? The obverse of your
Seal contains a star of David, the reverse is the symbol of the Illuminati
and the nation has never marched to their tune more obviously than it does
in this day.
You must be a _genuine_ sceptic. Do you suppose the formula 1+1=2 to be
a conspiracy
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Lump
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:59:57
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Lump wrote in a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
LB> make me ready, Lord, for whatever it may be. If I am to stand up, help
LB> me to stand bravely. If I am to sit still, help me to sit quietly.
If
LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do nothing,
LB> let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than words, and give me
LB> the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
L> .....AMEN!....Very well said and thank you....
Hooray! Now Lumpy can finally put his hands down and eat his bowl of Apple
Jacks!
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: severe
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:00:26
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Dave Ray:
DR> Now there's a laugh. You wnt her go someplace where she can be ganged
DR> up on by your fairy-tale believing bretheren.
JS> I don't know of any 'fairy tale believing bretheren'.
Your own family, for starters. They are just as delusional, it seems.
JS> suggesting that rather than hash this out where individuals such as
JS> yourself might mock and scoff, we might discuss this in an area
JS> devoid of such mockers and scoffers, Dave.
Please do! But we know you never will. You are a lifer here, much as you
are a prisoner of those fairy-tale gawd beliefs you cling to. No way out
for you!
JS> Bible image. Romans 12:2 comes into my mind here...
What little there remains of it.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Perhaps here's the reason
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:55:10
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Styx Allum wrote in a message to Jose Gomez:
> Silence is not a cure for "Christian noise".
SA> Why are you telling ME this? I am "The Creator" of this echo.
Yet Jose is right in a way. Silence isn't the 'cure'. Intelligence is!
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:57:05
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Scot Bear wrote in a message to Jim Staal:
> KW> seem to willing to embrace him, though.
>
> I haven't seen anything objectionable about Mr. Miller to date...
SB>
SB> Er.......Jimbo.....You're taking on water------------fast!
SB>
SB> I would bail-out if I were you.
Have some Nooooooooooooooooooooooooodles! They'll soak up his excess water!
:)
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: New
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:58:36
EID:12b4 2034af40
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CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Steve Quarrella wrote in a message to Maria Russell:
MR> That's it...You're a dope fiend!
SQ>
SQ> Isn't this a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? Rather
SQ> than dropping acid or putting a needle into your veins, you inhale
SQ> Jesus. There's no difference.
Inhale jaysus?
That does make sense. Xtians brown-nose their myuth-gawd every day.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: ---o
|Date: 17 Jan 96 10:09:00
EID:5bbb 20315120
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-=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to David Worrell <=-
DW> Someone recently confirmed my guess that the number 3 was
DW> another of the Jewish "special" numbers (did they have any
DW> normal, everyday, boring numbers at all?).
JH> Of course not. That's the problem with any numerological system,
JH> they think everything is "significant".
In fact, it has been proved, mathematically, that there are no
"uninteresting" numbers.
JH> The single digit intigers have the real whammy and are very
JH> important. So are their multiples.
JH> So are the multiples of 10, 11, 12 and 100. The digits, tens and
JH> hundreds are important because they were represented by a single
JH> alphabetic character. The multiples of 11 are important because
JH> they represent a "doubling" of the single digits. Multiples of
JH> 12 are important "just because".
I know you're just dying to see the proof, but I'm gonna make you wait .
JH> It would be possible to apply these rules and generate a list of
JH> the "unimportant" numbers...
Oooh! You're getting close....
JH> and what you would end up with would
JH> include most of the mathematically interesting numbers: the primes.
So close, but you missed it.
OK, here's the proof that there are no "uninteresting" numbers:
Assume the opposite: ie. the set of uninteresting numbers contains at least
one member.
Sort the set of uninteresting numbers in ascending order. Consider the
smallest member. Observe the interesting fact that this number is the
first uninteresting number. Ooops, that makes the number itself
interesting, a clear contradiction of it's membership in the set of
uninteresting numbers.
Therefore the original assumption (that the set of uninteresting numbers
is
non-empty) must be wrong.
JH> It doesn't suprise me that these clowns thought pi=3.00.
Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
Take care.
--- AdeptXBBS v1.07á (Registered)
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: ?
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:15:00
EID:4b60 203301e0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3100c13f
-=> Quoting Richard Morrison to Dan Ceppa <=-
DC> RM> Well Dan, let me ask you something? Where in the Bible does it
DC> RM> that Adam was "perfect"?
DC>
DC>Your god is perfect, is he not? How can a perfect being not
DC>create something perfect?
God created everthing in perfection and pure Holiness. However, He created
angels and mankind with the ability to choose whether to to good or evil.
It's called freewill.
DC>IOW, your god can't create a perfect being with free will and
DC>not let the being sin.
Since God created us with a freewill, doesnt it stand to reason that its
our choice to sin or not? If it was any other way, it couldnt be called
a freewill right? We have the ability to make our own decisions in life
and to choose our road.
It says in John 3:3 "Eccept a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God."
It's our choice to choose. We can choose to go to heaven or we can choose
to go to hell. It boils down on our freewill.
It says in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He sent His only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have
everlasting life."
God choose to send His Son to this world to pay the price for our sinfullness.
But, we must excercise our freewill and choose whether or not we accept
the
gift that God gave us or not. It boils down to our choice.
Take it easy guy, and Godbless!
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:42:01
EID:21f7 20330540
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Christian Miller <=-
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
CM> On Tuesday, January 9th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> I've been to many "revivals" in my life. At every one, they asked
Gt> for money. I'm not judging on just one, but on many.
CM> Gee, if your child asks for a candybar, do you always give 'em one?
CM> Same thing...
DR> Maybe in your simplified mind.
DR> But you can bet the preacher will have dinner with the person who
DR> turns in an envelope with $1,000 instead of someone who puts $10 in
DR> the envelope.
Why would you say that? Do you know every single preacher? Not every one
is money hungry. If they ask for a contribution, its probally becuase they
need it.
take it easy and Godbless...,
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Pam Gray
|Sub: Agnostic(ism?)
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:58:02
EID:6634 20330740
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3100c141
-=> Quoting Pam Gray to David Fono <=-
PG> David,
PG> Whether anyone else believes is a moot point...
DF> Anyways, is agnosticism a religion or not? -Stubbs
PG> It's what you think and believe in your own heart is which counts.
PG> People don't have to agree with what you believe as long as they
PG> respect your beliefs and you respect their beliefs.
It is written:
"Be happy, young man, while you young, and let your heart give you joy in
the days of your youth. Follow the ways of your heart and whatsoever your
eyes see, but know that for all these things God will bring you to judgment"
Ecclesiastes 11:9
"The heart is decietful above all things, and desperately wicked: Who can
know it? I have the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give
every man accourding to the fruit of his doings." Jeremiah 17:9-10
"Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life."
Proverbs 4:23
"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Do
not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. Restore
me to the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain
me."-Psalm 51:17
Take it easy guy, and Godbless...,
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: you forgot one thing...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:51:03
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JH> I really wish this Satan guy would get his act together.
The devil is a defeated foe. His crimes will not go unpunished. Becuase
of his wickedness, he is condemned to an eternal punishment so severe,
that he cant posibly even begin to bear it. For the wrath of God Almighty
will be released without measure upon ALL the angels who rebelled.
JH> If I was the devil, I'd run a much more punctual organization.
The devil has a counterfeit oorganazation of evil angels that serve him.
They
are highly organized-in camaflouge and lies. The are not even close to as
organied as God's army but know enough to decieve the world.
JH> And people would have to meet certain minimum qualifications
JH> before I would allow them to believe in me.
The only minimum requirement to serve satan is to reject Christ. For we
are all servants of something. We either serve Christ, or we serve the devil.
There's no middle ground. Whats sick, is the fact that most of satans
deciples dont even know that there serving him.
It is written "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God." We all must worship
the Lord God Almighty. But we all have a freewill to choose our own road.
Nonetheless, every knee will bow before Christ and every tongue SHALL confess
Christ as King and Ruler over all. For who will be able to stand in God's
presence once God is angered? Not the devil...
Take it easy guy, and Godbless
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:10:04
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JH> Keep Yer Gunz 6 6 89 8763. 8763. 162665.
JH> Visit'n Da Woods 0 0 4 . . 4369.
JH> The Still 8 8 26 7552. 7552. 22689.
JH> Bay Area: For Sale 2 2 47 1167. 1167. 43894.
JH> Dem BBS Ads R Here! 12 12 155 18051. 18051. 243057.
JH> Sex In Public Places 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Romance Echo 0 0 0 . .
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JH> CD/Book/Movie Review 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Sexual Stories 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Sexual Fantasies 0 0 0 . .
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JH> CatNet BBS Ads 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Sexual Advice 0 0 0 . .
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JH> 3 or Moresomes 0 0 0 . .
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JH> S & M and B & D 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Adult Humor 0 0 1 . . 454.
JH> Married, Will Cheat 0 0 0 . .
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JH> At The Bar 0 0 0 . .
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JH> CatNet SysOps Echo 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Sex Toys 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Macintosh SysOps 1 1 20 854. 854. 21787.
JH> Love & Marriage 0 0 26 . . 40136.
JH> Totals: 248 248 2625 314856. 314856. 3587286.
JH> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but their very
JH> presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly on just what sort
JH> of character Mr. Miller actually is.
Are you an ordained judge J.J.? Do you make a charge against Mr Miller?
Or do you think you can mock Christ with your ridicule? It says in the
Bible, "Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to the test."
From your above printout it would seem that the "adult" message area's have
been shut down. Many of the bbs's I call have sigs in the message base
that have been turned off. (Cut)
Do you really get your kicks trying to mock Christ and His church? Who is
able to mock Christ? You obviously think you are. You will reap what you
sow...
Take it easy J.J. and Godbless
Steve
... Obadiah 1:15 Wisdom to the wise.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:50:05
EID:8adf 20331640
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3100c144
DW> I didn't ask you how you'd raise your children, did I? I asked you,
DW> "If you had the ability, would you torture your children for
DW> eternity?"
I myself wouldnt guy. And neither would God. God loves all of His children
and
never would torture any of them. However, not every one is a child of God
are
they? And it's not God who send's people to hell, but rather people who
send people to hell. Your responsibile for your own actions. You will reap
exactly what you have sown.
Would you torture YOUR children for eternity if you had the ability? But,
in fact you do. When you deny them Christ, your not only hurting them, your
condemnig them. If you truly love your children, your gonna want the best
for them.
Take care , and Godbless
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:54:06
EID:9689 20331ec0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3100c145
SM> Satan was at one time an arch angel, I believe. Angels are defined in
DC> And, a little ol' archangel is stronger than the god that created him!
An archangel is an authority. Like Norman Swarzkoff(sort of). Norm was in
authority(charge) of certain duties in the U.S. army. However, the devil
is
no longer an authority in God's family.
God threw the devil out of heaven and made a pulic spectacle of him in
front of His angelic host.
When the devil rebelled, a third of the angels chose there own fate and
followed him (hence rebelling). But when Christ died on the cross for
mankind, He ended up stripping the principalities and powers(evil angels)
of
there power and authority over sin and mankind. And not only that but,
Since Christ paid the priice for mans sinfullness, the prince of this world
(the devil) stands comdemned to everllasting torment.
DC> Provide the evidence, fundy.
Read your Bible.
It says in the Bible that not a single jot will be pass away until all things
come to pass. Meaning - God's Word is the truth and it will happen right
on
time.
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 17 Jan 96 21:41:00
EID:3d40 2031ad20
LB>KATHERINE and RONALD were killing time yakking about HEAVENLY AND DAZED:
LB> KW>I'm sorry, Al, but the early xtains led by quite example only so
long as
LB> KW>they were outnumbered and lacked political power.
LB> RV> But to Al , and Mike ,and any current bible thumpers , they weren't
LB> RV> Real True Christians , never fear , if they had their way , It would
LB> RV> happen again .After all the current bible ,says it Aok , to kill
LB> RV> off those who don't buy into their lies.
LB> RV> Well maybe not Al , he might think about it , but at this point
in
LB> RV> his life , i don't think he would try to stop it.
LB>I think you're dead wrong on that one. Don't let your eagerness to stuff
I will be very happy to be wrong on that one .
LB>every individual Christian into the neat little stereotypical box you
have
LB>laid out for them blind you to the reality that Christians are as much
I don't really place them in that box, but in life ,i had the shaft from
more of those who try a god down my throat ,then those who don't really
worry about any gods. Yes , i have met a few , who do seem to lead a
life , like the jesus myth , and more power to them , but they also seem
to have a life of leaveing others to their own life.
LB>individuals as anyone else. And there have ALWAYS been examples of Christia
LB>who have bucked the tide of what current Christian thinking holds as
standar
LB>often at greater risk to life and limb than the pagans.
Agree ,yes there is some.
LB>Rather than wasting time accusing Christianity as a whole, spend a bit
of
LB>time learning how to compose a sentence - - once you bring a bit of order
to
This bit of expressing myself via the written word ,has always been my
stopgap , but never fear , as to reading and understanding , with that i
have no promlem.
Just so you don't think ,i only pick on christianity , i also pick on
any person/group , who wants to control my life or those of others ,if
they stay out of my face and stay out of others , then i leave it alone.
LB>your ability to express yourself, you might find your thoughts become
ordere
LB>enough to see the difference between people and groups.
Since i spend most of my life ,looking for a creator or a god or
something , and act as a listener to many , i do know the difference
when there is one ,between a person and the group they belong to.
Have a great day.
ron.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 17 Jan 96 22:40:00
EID:015b 2031b500
GTP>Heilsa, Lynda!
GTP>LB> Hint, Christian -- the story is a STORY, written by a patriarchal
socie
GTP>LB> who saw hospitality as rating much higher than women. If Lot wanted
to
GTP>LB> appease the crowd, why the hell didn't he sacrifice HIMSELF. They
GTP>LB> obviously weren't looking for women.
GTP>Not necessarily. Later, in Judges, I believe, a similar situation takes
pl
GTP>In this case, the "guest" sends out the concubine he had just gotten
back.
GTP>Benjamites rape her to death.
I think this is the part ,you are talking about.
-*-
Rape my daughter
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring
out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you:
but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine,
and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all
the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they
let her go.
-Judges 19:24-25
COMMENT:
Judges 19 describe a father who offers his virgin daughter to a drunken
mob.
When the father says "unto this man do not so vile a thing," he makes clear
that sexual abuse should never befall a man (meaning him), yet a woman,
even
his own flesh and blood, or a concubine belonging to a perfect stranger,
can receive punishment from men to do what they wish. This attitude against
women still persists to this day and we have the Bible, in large part, to
thank for this attitude against women.
Verse 25 describes the hours long gang rape of the poor concubine. The Bible
gives not one hint of passion or concern for the raped girl.
Considering that many people believe that every word in the Bible comes
from God, it should not surprise anyone why people still use these verses
to justify such atrocities.
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|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 19 Jan 96 20:19:00
EID:c525 2033a260
SPTH: Fidonet#1:222/10
MSGID: 1:222/10@Fidonet 10120a03
-=> Quoting Asmodeus to Robert Jackson <=-
Good morning, Thomas.
As> Its not at all that if someone pokes a jab at me I think it is only
As> because of their theism. It is only that I would only expect such
As> childish things from a theist, and somewhat less immature posts from
a
As> non-theist.
You obviously haven't been around here long.
Take care.
... The sun shines even on the wicked. - Seneca
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 11:14:46
EID:2488 203459c0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 e579cb90
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe238
On (19 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to AL SCHROEDER...
RJ> 1990 was the final straw. "Know new taxes" [sic] sorta did it
RJ> in for me for good.
I saw a tagline that explained this one perfectly. I don't remember
it exactly, but I can paraphrase it for you:
"No nude Texans." George Bush, explaining a misunderstanding.
... My three-finger response for tough questions: Ctrl-Alt-Del
--- PPoint 1.98
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: RACHEL BRATTAIN
|Sub: promise keepers
|Date: 20 Jan 96 17:55:20
EID:357b 20348ee0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310136bb
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting RACHEL BRATTAIN to JIM STAAL <=-
JS> BTW, one of my children got me the book 'The Seven Promises of The
JS> Promise Keepers' for Christmas. I can hardly wait to get started.
RB> ...book title caught my eye...could you tell me a little bit about the
RB> Promise Keepers? ...am kind of curious as to what exactly they are or
RB> are 'supposed' to be... ...have heard good and bad about PKs, so could
RB> use some clarification...
Promise Keepers is an organization for and of men designed to help men
become more spiritually awakened, to help them be more attentive to the
needs of their family, to honor, respect and love their wives and to
relate more fully to God, themselves and their fellow man - all through
the grace and knowlege of their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
(this is not an 'official' definition, but rather my paraphrase from my
experience through attending their mass rallys as well as small groups
on the local level and reading their materials.)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: interpretation...is making me wait...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:30:41
EID:a879 203493c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310136bc
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Jim Staal <=-
JS> How many times does it have to be repeated? No one...I repeat, _no
JS> one_ who is guided by the Bible (the whole thing, not just scattered
JS> bits and pieces) would be guilty of the atrocities you wish to point
JS> out...
JB> Let's just say that no one who is guided by a "correct" interpretation
JB> of it is guilty of those atrocities.
Agreed. (I believe a correct interpretation can be achieved through use
of the whole Bible, when accompanied by prayer and the guidance of the
Holy Spirit. This, of course, requires belief in same)
JB> It remains factual that
JB> Believers killed unbelievers in droves, for no crime other than
JB> failure to adhere to the belief-system.
History does record this, yes. The fact remains, however, that these
same individuals suffered from grave ignorance of the same Bible they
were fighting to promote.
JB> Judeo/Christianity is of
JB> course not the _only_ religion guilty of this sort of murderous
JB> religious persecution.
Agreed.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: george...cool!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:31:08
EID:e574 203493e0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310136bd
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Jim Staal <=-
LB> @MSGID: 1:109/601.0 30ff8f54
LB> Josh and Jim were killing time yakking about forgiveness available:
GR> I am. Feel free to show that I'm not. Or stop whining and making
GR> claims that you can't back up for lack of education.
JS> Ask george about his degree(s)...
LB> 98.6 or thereabouts?
Nah, george is pretty cool...probably...uh...97.4 or so...:)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: 'THEY'!? Who this 'they'!?
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:50:37
EID:4570 20349e40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014955
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> 'J'. How many lumps for you? One or two...step up here...
ML> Now which Staal is once again advocating violence (or is it
ML> another sham at high tea)?
JS> Violence!? Violence to whom!? (and I don't get high on 'tea'.)
ML> You again; offering lumps. (You say you don't get high on tea;
ML> so what do you get high on? Anoxia?)
That was a play on sugar, sir...
ML> Why would they need two versions if they were exactly the same?
JS> I don't know about 'they',
ML> Now there's the understatement of the month.
JS> DEFINE _'THEY'_, HERR DOKTOR!!
ML> Do your own research, Jimbo. Quit begging your betters to do it
ML> for you.
You brought it up. I just wondered how one of the 'better educated'
defined 'they'...
JS> Yeah...I don't see the point of this conversation...
ML> Conversations with nescient rubes are rather pointless,
ML> although you do provide some hilarious comic relief; however
ML> insouciant.
Yes, because I deign it so...
ML> Paul suffered head trauma.
JS> Any evidence to support this claim? If so trot it out here and we'll
JS> take a look at it, MISTER Leipzig...
ML> Just ask Hector. (I wonder why you excised the rest of my
ML> reply...hit too close to home?)
The rest of your post hinged on the validity of your 'head trauma'
statement. As you cannot support that claim, the rest of your reply was
debunked as well...
JS> were just a bunch of
JS> 'shewest thou me's. And I'm not Al Bundy. I don't sell women's shoes.
JS> Ya know?
ML> No, I do not. Who, or what, is an "Al Bundy"
JS> Huh!? You live in a cave or something?
ML> Nope. Just Russia, Uzbekistan and other points east for good
ML> portions of the year.
Ah...hence the 'cave' experience...
JS> Al Bundy sells womens
ML> Try "...women's...", Comrade "English Major".
Typo, Herr Leigzip...I got it right the other times, indicating my
knowlege of same...
JS> Duh...
ML> Yet another disenfranchised quasibiped from the MTV school of
ML> debate.
Hmmm...not acquainted with it...or should I say 'Not!'.
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Marty! Marty!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:50:00
EID:f255 20349e40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014956
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jimbo, is this really you or someone just as ignorant?
JS> I really despise your new 'intro' lines...
ML> How unfortunate. Now, answer the question. Is it you or someone
ML> else in Wyoming who's just as ignorant?
JS> I know nothing of this 'wyoming' of which you speak. I live in
JS> Grandville, Michigan.
ML> That's because it's "Wyoming". And, you still did not answer
ML> the question.
Now what was the question again?
JS> In fact, I live in a post box, #171, Grandville,
JS> MI 49468-0171.
ML> Damn. What with your being so tall and all, I'll wager that's a
ML> mighty tight fit.
Ah...now you have a sense of humor...
JS> Why shouldn't I believe it? S'the truth...
ML> So tell us all about the flood, Jimbo. Provide a little
ML> evidence of the truth of that claim.
Uh...rains came down and the floods came up...not that hard a gig...
JS> I have seen no evidence of it...for _I_ am 6'7", 285lbs of
JS> No, I ate a lot of corn flakes as a youthful Hollander...
ML> Flakes.
ML> It figures.
If I'd said corn _cobs_ would've you had a better time with it?
JS> Tsk...
ML> Veritas.
You're welcome...
JS> None _can_ measure up, can they...
ML> To your insipid egomaniacal rantings? Nope, you're a blue ribbon
ML> winner in that "class"
Thankyou...
ML> Are we supposed to be intimidated or impressed?
JS> Neither. Merely amused, that's all...
ML> You are rather amusing, however unintentional.
It's intentional...trust me...
ML> We're neither.
JS> REally!? I thought you would be one of the 'better educated' [TM]
JS> your bro Fred Rice trumpets around here...
ML> Fred is not my brother, as I have none.
C'mon...out with it...you are Eric and Lyle's long lost bro, aren't
you?
JS> Nah...you seem more of a man of _mere_ words...
ML> Quote editing is verboten, Herr Staal. That _mere_ is an
ML> addition of yours to the original, Chuckles. Styx doesn't take
ML> lightly to that, you know.
As it was my own post, I won't complain...
ML> Yep. That's what they tell me at the gym.
JS>
ML> Nope. Mengele is dead; you merely emulate him from the neck-up.
Mengele lives, Herr Doktor, in the fine wit and bitter slicing tongue
of Mahty Leigzip.
JS> 'flummoxed'!? Is that some sort of ethnic idiom?
ML> Nope. Yet another common word that completely vexes the
ML> resident "English Major".
Sure...common, alright...somewhere in the Slavic countries...
ML> How quaint.
How dorky...
ML> wordsmithery reflects refinement and exemplary English.
I really like this.
JS> Oh, not I, sir, but rather, the holy writ, The Bible.
ML> This "Holy Writ" also says that bats are birds.
Evidence to support this claim?
ML> Hey, what do you expect from a "heinous blasphemer", Jimbo?
So you admit it then, Herr Leigzip?
JS> In other words, they are mere juvenile retribution? I can accept that.
ML> Not at all. They are mere words that cause you enormous
ML> anxiety. I call that "fun".
Typical heinous blasphemer attitude: hurting some one else brings joy to
your very soul...
JS> Tsk. Just when I thought you were getting to know me better...
ML> I know you far too well as it stands. Getting to know you
ML> better is like getting better acquainted with a sewer rat.
Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty and
instead you cut me once again ...
JS> Ahhh...and once again you abuse my good nature and fine sense of
JS> humor. That's OK, I can take it...like a _man_!
ML> Jimmy, you really shouldn't leave straight lines like that...
See!? You can see fun in this if you try...
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:05:14
EID:19e8 203498a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014957
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Now, which Staal has oozed his way onto the scene this time?
this hurts...it really does...
ML> Since when do double-wides have a second story?
JS> I resent the inference...like _I_ live in a mobile.
ML> Looks like I put another group in the 10 ring.
Huh?
JS> I'll have you know
JS> I have owned my own three bedroom humble(900 sq ft _including_ garage)
JS> ranch since 1969...with basement.
ML> Now just a minute, Jimbo. In the previous post, you said that
ML> you "...lived in a post box...".
That's only when I'm in the doghouse with the little woman. Other wise I
live in the basement.
ML> Don't lie, Jimmy. The better educated around here catch you
ML> each and every time you do.
LIE!? You are accusing me of a _LIE_, MISTER Liepzig!?
ML> ... "We've got Moog synthesizers...we could kill you from here."
Hmmm...haven't heard from that company in years. Are they still i
business?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Mahty, Mahty, Mahty...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:12:21
EID:8e39 20349980
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014958
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> in disbelief and dispair
ML> That's "...despair...", Herr Idiot.
Thank you...
JS> as
JS> think of the waste of an education.
ML> And if, by some befoolish construct of yours, are referring to
ML> me; I'm sure all the Russians will get a good laugh out of you. I
ML> regularly take a couple of weeks worth of HolySmoke over there
ML> to let them see just what some people from the West are like.
C'mon...you print it out or what?
ML> You serve as an excellent example to my Eastern colleagues as a
ML> class-A example of first class, homegrown, All-American washout.
Eastern colleagues?
ML> Prosit!, Jimbo.
No, no...that's Prozac, Mahty...
ML> You're the "toast" of two continents...how about some jam to go
ML> with that?
That's what I like about this: international notoriety...
Maybe you could be my front man and get me some gigs. I understand
musical evangelism is big these days in Russia...
JS> You can't even hold a civil
JS> conversation...
ML> I don't hold civil conversations with cockroaches, either.
Oh, that really smarts...
JS> and your types are in the White House and other places
JS> of influence...
ML> I don't have time for politics. My vistas are international;
Oh, you just reside here and take advantage of my country?
ML> unlike your parochial and prosaic prospects.
'prozac prospects'?
JS> (effluence, actually...)
ML> Dwelling in that dump of a life as you do; you're the echo maven
ML> in that department.
Tsk.
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Staal shows all...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:14:23
EID:6664 203499c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014959
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Benihana's; which is to real Japanese food like Chi Chi's is to
ML> Mexican food.
JS> OK, OK...it's actually called 'the Golden Dragon'...
ML> Then you went to the cathouse next door, called the Golden
ML> Shower.
Hmmm...is that anything like urolagnia?
BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes, like the lovely
Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste time with people like
that'?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Assembling the book...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:48:56
EID:2386 20349e00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495a
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
RJ> So they had special dispensation to rule out which books were
RJ> canon and which weren't?
JS> Yes, as a matter of fact...
RJ> OK, please tell me what that might be.
Sure. The guidance of the Holy Spirit...
RJ> Was your god in the room with the
RJ> bishops at Nicea to give his personal thumbs-up-thumbs-down
RJ> say-so on what the canon was?
JS> I'm sure He was, as a matter of fact...
RJ> Was he there when they clipped the Apocrypha?
Betchum, dude!
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: JIm Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bobbies on bicycles, two by two...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:18:27
EID:a761 20349a40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495b
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> n'est-ce pas?
JS> Huh?
RJ> It's French, for "nicht wahr?"
'nicht wahr'?
Wha!?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Milk Crate - the fine properties of...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:48:10
EID:3dde 20349e00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495c
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
RJ> Which one of the Many Faces Of Jim is in the driver's seat?
The good looking one, of course...
RJ> Would you like me to stand on a milkcrate
RJ> when I do? Do you really want me to take the "high ground"?
RJ> I mean, it's a hassle--I've got all those LPs and books stowed
RJ> in the thing...(yes, I own a milkcrate)
Yeah...they are rather useful items. When I used to play in bars before
they made easily portable keyboards, I used a Hammond console organ and
the majority of places had stages the same height as a milk crate and I
used them to extend the stage a bit for the instrument to stand on. (I
no longer own one, however...I used Oosterman's in MILKRATE.GIF)
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: tolerance?????
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:23:24
EID:be50 20349ae0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495d
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Trust me, Bobby, like you, they had your pal Satan to guide them...
RJ> Where the hell's my check, dammit! If I'm doing his work,
RJ> I expect some compensation. I consider a bit of effortless
RJ> verbal abuse at you dogmatic jeezoids nothing more than pro
RJ> bono work. If Satan doesn't cut me a check, I don't work
RJ> for him.
Hey!...cut on Asmodeus for that. He gets together with the dude on a
regular basis.
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Select this!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:25:54
EID:369e 20349b20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Like Preston says, I'm selective about this...
RJ> Allrightee...so anyway, you're gonna be a thief if I call you
RJ> one?
Nope...
RJ> Why would you do that?
Figure of speech...
RJ> Am I your god?
Nope...
RJ> Are you gonna
RJ> do something that your Yahweh COMMANDED you NOT to do, just
RJ> because some mere mortal gave you the suggestion?
Absolutely not...
RJ> Why is that?
It isn't...
RJ> Is my corporeal presence _that_ much more powerful than
RJ> the stonecarved moral code you've allegedly sworn allegiance
RJ> to, that you'd override it for the sake of acting on some
RJ> subcu- taneous animal desire, because a heathen gave you
RJ> sanction?
Nope...
RJ> I'm touched.
Probably by yourself...hee hee-ee
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: jim staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:30:16
EID:e549 20349bc0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3101495f
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
RS> Why not? Are you saying you have no evidence for the flood?
JS> I am no scientist. I don't know what would or would not be
JS> satisfactory evidence for the scientific person. Myself, personally,
JS> however, I accept it in faith. I do it because I want to and no one
JS> makes me do it.
RJ> Sure is a whole lot easier than having to read a book, isn't
RJ> it, "English Major"?
Nah. I just believe that it is the right thing for me to do.
RJ> Was thinking always hard for you, or
RJ> did something happen to you to make you give it up?
Nah...thinking is no problem. I don't care to read much though, since my
vision has declined with age...
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:31:40
EID:2484 20349be0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014960
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Jim Staal <=-
KW> @MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org b08490fa
JS> JS> Hmmmm...church...not exciting? Ever tried it?
JS> RJ> Best place to get sexually active women.
JS> Only if she happens to be your own wife...
KW> Jimmy, I don't believe you said this! What ever did your wife do to
KW> you to deserve this?
Hmmm...I must have missed something. What am I being accused of now?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Swap 'em
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:45:43
EID:a6e4 20349da0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014961
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Jim Staal <=-
KW> Bro Jim is mealy mouthed. He doesn't even have the balls to call you
KW> a bitch if he gets riles, he'll get all prissy and call you a b***h.
JS>B***h!
KW> Poltroon!
T*k!
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: lovin every minute of it...lovin
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:35:51
EID:b2e1 20349c60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014962
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Fredric Rice <=-
FR> Speaking in absolutes draws more attention.
RJ> Yeah, BroJimmy's getting swamped in attention. It's not the
RJ> sort of attention I'd go for--people'd start archiving me.
Hey...I carry with me both the scars and the credo of the abused child:
even bad love is better than no love at all...
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:46:56
EID:cbaf 20349dc0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014963
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to George Rudzinski <=-
ML> Jim is very uneven (I was going to say unstable, but even I
ML> won't stoop that low for a "Staal" pun).
Sure. Right.
ML> It really makes me
ML> wonder what is on what passes for his mind when he repeatedly
ML> trumpets his size in this forum.
ML> As if that's germane to anything on this echo.
Goes way back, Mahty...years, even: I made the statement to someone
here that in real time conversations, people do not
treat me with the rudeness I face here, as a face-less medium allows
chicken-s**ts to sit behind their little monitors and make big mouthed
belittling statements about people they don't even know.
ML> Curious.
But yellow? Like george?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Cycle?
|Date: 20 Jan 96 19:47:11
EID:fec3 20349de0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31014964
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
LB> in living it, or in defending it, but in insisting that anyone else
LB> MUST join her in it or face some sort of eternal consequence. It
LB> always seems to me that people who must fall back on damnation have
run
LB> out of any GOOD reasons for promoting their view, and are left only
LB> with threatening something even worse than what they propose.
RJ> I notice our BroJim has lapsed back into his "damnation
RJ> cycle" again.
And that would be evidenced by...?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: An interesting situation
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:51:00
EID:2e05 20339e60
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010484
And Brave Sir Mark ran away, screaming "An interesting situation"!
SA> I'm just glad I don't have to field calls for Brentwood any more;
SA> the old number we had was _very_ close to theirs. I think it was
SA> also close to Hiatus House's, too - I remember getting a couple of
SA> calls for them. Got a call for a church once, as well.
MH>
MH> But were they wrong numbers? =)
Quite. :)
SA> Mm. Well, you can keep numbers, depending on how far you move. If
SA> you stay in the core area, you can probably keep it; we kept ours
SA> moving from Elsmere to Ouellette, but she had to give it up and
SA> change it when she moved out to Roseville.
MH>
MH> I've known quite a few people to move and keep their lines. Of
MH> course, I realize there's boundaries, but hey. It'd be nice to keep
MH> an, essentially, trouble-free line. Killer part of it is you have to
MH> pay the same amount, whether you keep it or not. Heck, you might have
MH> to pay more in order to continue using the same line.
I wouldn't be surprised. Bell acts like a bloody pirate at times -
while crying "poverty" because they only made $2 billion in profit
this year.
SA> Heh. I KNOW you could have. It was quite amusing on its own, though.
MH>
MH> Mm. From the detailed description of dialogue, I have to
MH> agree; you did a good job.
:) Thank yew, thank yew. It was just TOO funny a concept.
SA> MH> You realize, that in using your handle as your first name,
SA> MH> you're going to quite famous among the denizens of FreakLand.
SA>
SA>
SA> Like .. Sticky? :)
MH>
MH> No. Scott will just be envious that you got it done without
MH> having to pay a truckload of money. Of course, Scott didn't want his
Hehehehe. :) Good.
MH> last name tagged onto it at all. Perhaps that's where the difference
MH> in cost lies. Ten to one says you get comic hunters calling you,
Could be; I don't see why, though, but then one never knows with Bell.
MH> making silly jokes and/or breathing heavy. [The latter seems to be a
MH> favourite/constant among the crank-callers.]
MH> It wouldn't be bad at first, because you can make fun of them,
MH> too. But the novelty wears off pretty quickly, I'd imagine. Time will
MH> tell, I suppose.
But that's what answering machines and Caller ID is for, dear. :)
Remember, I don't answer calls from Private Numbers, and if stuff
like that started happening, I'd stop answering calls from names I
don't know, too. And just find worse and worse answering machine
messages to put on the thing. :) Someone already hung up on the
aliens message, but fortunately, it wasn't a prospective employer.
They seem to have listened to the message, thought twice, and hung
up just as the thing started recording.
--Wolfie
"Immortality isn't about living forever - it's about making the
most of the time ye do have."
--Hudson
... "Lenguage is that we may mis-unda-stend each udda." - Krazy Kat
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 20:00:01
EID:221f 2033a000
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010485
And Brave Sir Mark ran away, screaming "A Day In The Life..."!
SA> laugh? Where've you got your daemonic cash stashed? The postal
SA> system must've misdirected mine - that's what I get for having to
SA> move so often, I guess.) I certainly wasn't able to get through THAT
SA> part with a straight face ..
MH>
MH> We're no less deviant, though. We've just got a small tuft of
MH> moral ground to stand on; but only in comparison to him and others
We're just _deviant_. :)
MH> like him. As for my ill-gained loot, I don't know. You don't
MH> suppose he means the money I had to work 50 hours/week for, in a
MH> labour-intensive job, under the hokey name of Fords, do you? What a
MH> crock. [Him, and that company. =)]
Perhaps Ford is the tool of the debbil, then? :)
--Wolfie
"Immortality isn't about living forever - it's about making the
most of the time ye do have."
--Hudson
... "Show's over. Go away." - Slappy Squirrel
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Been offline
|Date: 19 Jan 96 20:13:02
EID:dba0 2033a1a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010486
And Brave Sir Marilyn ran away, screaming "Been offline"!
JB> Don't mind me, I need an upgrade badly and can't afford it,
JB> so I'm jealous.
MB> This wasn't a case of need; it was a case of want. And Lou has
MB> a terrible time saying 'no' to his loved ones.
SA> Gee, can I borrow Lou for a while? I could use an upgrade, too.
SA> :)
MB> Go find your own Lou. This one is taken.
But I promise to give him back in one piece! :)
--Wolfie
"Immortality isn't about living forever - it's about making the
most of the time ye do have."
--Hudson
... "Kemosabe": White man's an asshole, but is star of show. -- Tonto
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 19 Jan 96 20:49:03
EID:9cb3 2033a620
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010487
And Brave Sir Christian ran away, screaming "Abortion"!
MG> No thanks. When your gawd quits starving folks in Africa, I might
MG> take a look at him.
CM>
CM> Marty, Marty, Marty... God is not starving them! They're stupid, and
CM> decided NOT to migrate when their land went bad. Don't blame God for
CM> people's stupidities. God is just an underfundies scapegoat. When
OK, perhaps they SHOULD migrate. Where to? Hmm. I think I'll
suggest they all go to St. Petersburg, FLA. Specifically, to your
neighbourhood. I trust you won't be a NIMBY on that subject ..
--Wolfie
"Immortality isn't about living forever - it's about making the
most of the time ye do have."
--Hudson
... Married.. Who me ? ... I can't mate in captivity. - Wolfie
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [1/2] Absurdities 2 of 4
|Date: 20 Jan 96 03:25:04
EID:1d22 20341b20
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010488
And Brave Sir Lynda ran away, screaming "[1/2] Absurdities 2 of 4"!
LB> Kind of sounds like a holdover from Egyptian mythology, doesn't it?
MR>
MR> I don't believe this is still being regurgitated. If you look up the
MR> grasshopper in a science book, it will tell you that the creature has
MR> FOUR legs it walks with and TWO hoppers. Those back two appendages
MR> have no other use than two lift the body off the ground to hop.
LB> You missed my point -- in Egyptian mythology, there are many animals
LB> that are a compilation of various animals -- including those that have
LB> the head of a bird, and the body of a human being or a four legged
LB> animal. C'mon, this is supposed to be where you pick up on the idea
LB> that rather than being a contradiction, this is possible evidence that
LB> the Jews really were taken into captivity in Eygpt, and maybe picked
up
LB> on some of their cultural ideas.
Besides the fact that, under her ridiculous logic, kangaroos have no
legs. Their back legs are, according to her, "hoppers", not legs.
And they don't use their arms to walk; in fact, roos NEVER walk -
they always move in a hopping motion, even when bent low to the
ground and using their arms to hop slowly forward when grazing.
(they basically rest their hands on the ground, and shift their
hindquarters forward, simulatenously, as if playing leapfrog in
slow-motion.)
Unfortunately for Maria, the back appendages of kangaroos are,
undoubtedly legs, even though they're not used for walking. And so
too are the hindmost appendages of grasshoppers clearly legs. Her
logic is weak and wanting, and it seems she'll grasp at any straw to
save her sorry butt.
--Wolfie
"Immortality isn't about living forever - it's about making the
most of the time ye do have."
--Hudson
... Deja Roo ... Tromped to death by a Red Boomer in a past life.
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 4
|Date: 20 Jan 96 09:57:05
EID:47c1 20344f20
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31010489
And Brave Sir Marty ran away, screaming "The Ultimate Shit List - Part 4"!
ML> =======================================================================
ML> ======== SHIT HAPPENS
ML> in various professions
ML> ------------------------
ML> Mathematician: Shit happening is just a special case...
ML> Statistician: There is an 83.7% chance that shit will happen. Maybe.
ML> Physicist (Theoretical):
ML> Shit SHOULD happen.
Cartoonist: Excuse me. Gotta go draw some funny shit.
Whaddya mean, I gotta come up with shit 365 days a year
for 10 years?
This syndicate contract is shit.
What shit can I come up with today?
Wow, I'm getting paid HOW much for this shit?!
Animator: Make the shit move realistically.
Let's see; 2 frames of shit at 24 frames per second ..
Hanna-Barbera is shit.
--Wolfie
... Watch the Smurfs! Root for Gargamel!
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: An interesting situation
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:23:00
EID:4ddb 203472e0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31014109
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Mark Hogan <=-
SA> And Brave Sir Mark ran away, screaming "An interesting situation"!
SA> I'm just glad I don't have to field calls for Brentwood any more;
SA> the old number we had was _very_ close to theirs. I think it was
SA> also close to Hiatus House's, too - I remember getting a couple of
SA> calls for them. Got a call for a church once, as well.
MH>
MH> But were they wrong numbers? =)
SA>
SA> Quite. :)
Well, this is Windsor, Ontario you know. One has to verify things such as
these. Why else would we have several Brentwoods/affiliates, and at least
two
Hiatus Houses/affiliates. =)
MH> I've known quite a few people to move and keep their lines. Of
MH> course, I realize there's boundaries, but hey. It'd be nice to keep
MH> an, essentially, trouble-free line. Killer part of it is you have to
MH> pay the same amount, whether you keep it or not. Heck, you might have
MH> to pay more in order to continue using the same line.
SA>
SA> I wouldn't be surprised. Bell acts like a bloody pirate at times -
SA> while crying "poverty" because they only made $2 billion in profit
SA> this year.
Well, it is true that they are losing some large measure of money, what
with all the new long-distance companies that so many people are subscribing
to. Mind you, that's no reason for them to whine, as it's their own faults.
See? Even our mega-billion monopolies are hurting, dear. Times are tough.
SA> Heh. I KNOW you could have. It was quite amusing on its own, though.
MH>
MH> Mm. From the detailed description of dialogue, I have to
MH> agree; you did a good job.
SA>
SA> :) Thank yew, thank yew. It was just TOO funny a concept.
Not that I couldn't have done it better ... =) I suppose one could say
there are advantages and disadvantages to having a safe, calm, unlisted
number.
You have quiet and peace of mind, on the whole, but little in the way of
excitement. But the lessening of aggravation is something I couldn't do
without, so hey.
MH> last name tagged onto it at all. Perhaps that's where the difference
MH> in cost lies. Ten to one says you get comic hunters calling you,
SA>
SA> Could be; I don't see why, though, but then one never knows with Bell.
Well, it seems relatively simple. What you did was use their format, but
fudge on your first name [for the listing]. Scott wanted to change their
format, for his own purposes. It's like a license plate for your car ...
Customizing it costs bundles. Worse, blank spaces cost just as much as any
other character [be it letter or numeric].
SA> But that's what answering machines and Caller ID is for, dear. :)
SA> Remember, I don't answer calls from Private Numbers, and if stuff
SA> like that started happening, I'd stop answering calls from names I
SA> don't know, too. And just find worse and worse answering machine
SA> messages to put on the thing. :) Someone already hung up on the
SA> aliens message, but fortunately, it wasn't a prospective employer.
SA> They seem to have listened to the message, thought twice, and hung
SA> up just as the thing started recording.
Re: Crank callers. Hm. That's just it; the residence's occupant is the
name displayed on Caller ID, but anyone can be on the phone at the time.
I had
Caller ID for a time, but, on the whole, I still routinely picked up the
phone.
I encountered this kind of problem a lot from the caller's end, too, on
several occasions. It was silly. I admit, I was laughing, but that's only
because it wasn't a dire emergency of some sort. One might say, "Well, I
have
an answering machine. They can leave a message." True enough; but I don't
know
about other people, but I rarely leave a message when it's orientated around
a
time that will pass before the occupant listens to their messages. You know,
one feels silly leaving messages whose import will expire in an hour or
less.
Maybe it's just me? Maybe I'm old-fashioned? Maybe I'm hard-headed.
=)
I don't know, but it's my dime.
"Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side,
and it holds the universe together ... -Carl Zwanzig"
... It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:23:01
EID:d183 203472e0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3101410a
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Mark Hogan <=-
SA> laugh? Where've you got your daemonic cash stashed? The postal
SA> system must've misdirected mine - that's what I get for having to
SA> move so often, I guess.) I certainly wasn't able to get through THAT
SA> part with a straight face ..
MH>
MH> We're no less deviant, though. We've just got a small tuft of
MH> moral ground to stand on; but only in comparison to him and others
SA>
SA> We're just _deviant_. :)
"With Pride," as Cary Ewles said, portraying the 'Dread Pirate Roberts.'
Face it, you just like to frolic and call fundamentalists hypocrites. That's
alright; I do too. Just not as often. Perchance I'm just not as hell-
bent as you ...
MH> like him. As for my ill-gained loot, I don't know. You don't
MH> suppose he means the money I had to work 50 hours/week for, in a
MH> labour-intensive job, under the hokey name of Fords, do you? What a
MH> crock. [Him, and that company. =)]
SA>
SA> Perhaps Ford is the tool of the debbil, then? :)
Of course it is! Honestly; some of the subsidaries are pits of
slime, and I'm not just talking about the building(s). At times, one has
to
wonder what kind of criminal record your fellow 'chums' have following them
around. More paramount, to my mind, was "What happened to all of their teeth?"
Factory workers around these parts don't seem to have any teeth! It's creepy.
I
was one of five other people that had most of their 28+ teeth. Rick's place
of
business is even worse, if you remember. He was the only person with all
of his
teeth, but there were two others that had 'most of their teeth.' The others
...
one tooth, four teeth, maybe as many as twelve. "That's alright; I like
soft
foods, anyway" they'd reply. Remind me not to work too long in a factory,
dear.
"Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side,
and it holds the universe together ... -Carl Zwanzig"
... Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Mark Drake
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Re: Judgement
|Date: 20 Jan 96 11:54:40
EID:22fe 20345ec0
MSGID: 1:128/175 3100d80f
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fc7ca0
PID: GED G0615
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8328
-=> Kenneth Mcabee gave Gwenny the Pooh a hard time about Judgement<=-
KM> Monday January 15 1996 20:30, Gwenny the Pooh mumbled to Kenneth
KM> Mcabee:
KM>>>> Keep on, there's a being named Lucifer that might be interested
KM>>>> in what you saying. But he too one day will bow his knees before
KM>>>> God and declare that Christ is LORD.
AH>>> Sorry, your Jesus has to wait in a long line behind Zeus, Apollo,
and
AH>>> loads of other Supreme Beings that were invented before your Jesus
AH>>> was.
KM>> Sorry Alan, but Jesus was the one that created everything.
GtP> And your evidence for this is.....
KM> Gwenny,
KM> The Bible.
Prove it. Give scientific grade proof from external sources that can be
repeated that your bible is not just a caoolection of tales told around
the fire by desert nomads. Otherwise, shut the fuck up!
°±²%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%²±°
°±² *=> Mark "Hawk" Drake <=* ²±°
°±² Sysop, Probability Broach, FidoNet 1:128/175 ²±°
°±² mjdrake@mail.uccs.edu ²±°
°±² ²±°
°±² "A friend once told me 'Cheer up, things could get worse', ²±°
°±² so I cheered up, sure enough, things got worse!" - M. Drake ²±°
°±² ²±°
°±² The only type of gun control should be => Hit what you aim ²±°
°±² at! - M. Drake ²±°
°±²%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%²±°
... Born Again Christians are a pain because the second birth was anal
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Piscatorial paradox...Act
|Date: 15 Jan 96 00:13:52
EID:429a 202f01a0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 30fb1232
REPLY: 1:280/26 2d0aa8ec
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Marty and Richard were killing time yakking about Piscatorial paradox...Act:
ML>
ML> RM> < Actually I know that *you*
ML> RM> never type-o
ML>
ML> It's spelled "typo"
RM> Hey Lynda, did you read this meesage from Marty? See why now? Also,
RM> Marty, the next time my spell checker bogs down in *your* quotes can
RM> I go ahead and use the 'replace' button?
(G) Point taken. Now will you PLEASE not attach innuendo about his being
a
female because of it -- there are a billion insults you can use. Lay off
that
one, okay? (BTW, I gave up on spell checkers for that precise reason)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... A Paradox May be Paradoctored.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 15 Jan 96 00:21:35
EID:bce8 202f02a0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 30fb1233
REPLY: 1:280/26 2d0aa886
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Asmodeus and Richard were killing time yakking about White-lighter Religions:
RM> Hi Camodeus,
RM> Seems like a bunch of garbage if you ask me. Of course since you
RM> posted to all I think I'll take it that way...<
RM> Have a nice life...
Have a nice life?! HAVE A NICE LIFE??!!
I'LL TEACH YOU TO HURL THAT KIND OF ABUSE AT ME -- I CURSE YOU IN THE NAME
OF
BELA LUGOSI AND WILL DO A MICHAEL JACKSON THRILLER DANCE ON YOUR HEAD YOU,
YOU,
BIG MEANIE YOU!!!!!!
(giggle)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... It's wonderful to be here, it's certainly a thrill...
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 15 Jan 96 08:02:39
EID:feb2 202f4040
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 30fb1234
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 888ae389
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Karl were killing time yakking about A Visit 4/4:
LB> LB> CM> wrong with a joke? What is wrong with two people having sex
outsid
LB> LB> CM> (where God probably wanted it), etc?
LB> LB>"Married, Will Cheat?"
LB>Right. I don't see anything wrong with sex outdoors (unless it's on
your
LB>neighbors lawn without their permission, of course), but there is no
KS> Or on the 50 yard line at the Super Bowl...
Quite so -- that would be not only rude, but extremely dangerous!
LB>deceive your spouse, from either a Christian standpoint, OR from any
view
LB>which values honor and honesty. I found it hideous that he would attempt
LB>to justify those echos by dragging in God as co-conspirator.
KS> Hm. I wonder what Joseph thought when JC popped out...?...
Um, "Hey, he has my ears!" ? (Wrong Christian -- I'm the one who realizes
the birth tale is a myth, remember.)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... It's true, forgiveness IS easier to get than permission
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 15 Jan 96 08:15:09
EID:3fc6 202f41e0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 30fb1235
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30f93bb1
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Katherine and Robert were killing time yakking about CHURCHES:
SR> KW>