God Damned Fundies!
|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Christians v Guns
|Date: 28 Dec 96 15:48:38
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AS> I may be handicapped because I live in the South, Marty, where
AS> traditionally prejudice has convicted people who are more guilty
AS> of their ethnic origin than their actual crimes. There are
AS> some people (child molestors come high on the list) where I
AS> might agree capital publishment MIGHT be a good idea, but
AS> I'm too often conscious that juries can, alas make mistakes.
This is why there must be absolutely no question in our minds when convictions
are handed down. Do we let someone die in prison and then find out that
they were innocent, or perhaps spend 30 years behind bars in a hell worse
than death and then let them go due to some error in evidence that allowed
them to be wrongfully convicted?
Sorry. I've sat on two juries in criminal cases. One guy was brought in
for rape, robbery, and murder. It was brought out in the trial that he
was "known to the police". Know what? I say just off the sumbitch and
the world will be ahppeir place. So what if they didn't show thta he murdered
someone this time? After being brought in four other times for drug sales
to kids and twice for burglary I say get hi the hell out of town. Society
has no use for bastards like this.
MG>> Last year, a kid in a wheelchair, on a dare, smuggled his
MG>> mother's broken coke bottle into a school....
MG>> How is this different from what you typed above.
AS> Because one can often dodge a broken glass bottle. It's harder
AS> to dodge a bullet.
But your case rest ont he fact that a gun MIGHT kill someone. Such is true
of a coke bottle no matter how scarce it might be. Anything can be used
as a weapon, so we should get rid of everyhing.
Hell, of course not. The answer is simple. Get rid of the sob's that do
these things. Getting rid of guns is not the answer.
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: David Rice
|Sub: latest martinez disas
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:08
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>>DR> Perhaps someone without any code of ethics will consent
>>DR> to inject HIV-contaminated blood into Martinez and see
>>DR> if the stupid shit will accept the risk. Put his life
>>DR> where his mouth is.
CJ>> During his stint in the SCIENCE echo, he claimed he was
CJ>> going to do just that--but then waffled on just when he'd
CJ>> be doing his public relations stunt, and how it would be
CJ>> verified that the blood did indeed contain HIV and that
CJ>> he himself was HIV-free.
DR> Then he must not actually believe the crap he is spewing.
Or--perhaps he knows that he could not certify himself as
HIV-free? And the entire farrago is an elaborate denial of a
looming fate?
... To become moderator, how many neutrons did you absorb?
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: David Rice
|Sub: mary's pelvic exam
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:09
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On 26 Dec 96 03:56pm, DAVID RICE wrote to J.J. HITT:
JH>> contrary to nature. 14:17 To which Salome replied,
JH>> As the Lord my God liveth, unless I receive
JH>> particular proof of this matter, I will not believe
JH>> that a virgin hath brought forth. 14:18 Then Salome
JH>> went in, and the midwife said, Mary, shew thyself
JH>> for a great controversy is risen concerning thee.
JH>> 14:19 And Salome received satisfaction.
DR> ROTFL! Must have been before the actual birth, if
DR> she still appeared "virgin."
Yep. King Fetus withered her arm up for sticking her
finger too close to him.
But as far as after the actual birth: this actually was a
subject of debate. How could Jesus slide down the chute without
popping Mary's cherry? The answer was:
He _teleported_ past Mary's cherry!
DR> Sheeeish. Some stupid Greek, 1800 years ago, fucks
DR> up with a translation and thus makes a pregnant
DR> girl / woman sexually pure, and along comes some
DR> stupidassed Christians to write testimonies saying
DR> it was so. How very Hubbardish!
As you can see from the above, they had very little
knowledge of women if they assumed the hymen test was anything but
a very weak indicator of virginity.
AAMOF, later in church history they would find themselves
troubled by the question of whether use of other portals left a
woman virgin or not.
... Clop. Clop. "I'm a cowboy-hippie, hippie-ay." Clop. Clop.
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: warring christanic fa
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:10
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CJ>> Since Richard said he might not be able to post for
CJ>> a little over a week, let me answer. My Latin is nil, but
CJ>> it looks like:
CJ>> "What, me worry?"
RS> Well, since there are more bloody delays with the extortion,
RS> er, escrow, than there are nits on Staalin's hairy back,
RS> we've had to put off the move for a day or who knows?
RS>
Patience--and just a bit of that of quid!
RS> You have the translation correct. How do you like the idiot
RS> who thought that it meant I was calling him names?
RS> Quid, Me Anxius Sum?
Not only was he unable to distinguish between a sig/tag
line and the message itself, but he failed to notice that you
were using it for every message from you to anybody!
... "He's dead, Jim. . . From now on, call HIM Bones!"
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: 2 corinthians 9:13
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:11
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GT>>> caucasian mummies they found out in northern China. . .Mongolia or
GT>>> Siberia I believe. I read an article about them in Discover magazine
CJ>> March, 1996, _National Geographic_.
GT> Thank you. That must be one of the ones my husband abscounded with,
as
GT> I don't remember seeing it. Well, at least he gave me the one with
the
GT> penguins.
On the general topic of mummies, a couple of months later
the mag ran an intersting article on two Incan mummies.
... This is a copy of the original tagline.
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: stargoat crap.
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:12
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GT>>> Hey, what kind of cheap ass gods do they have. Heck, even your
GT>>> average-every-night vampire can survive without excreting. You'd
GT>>> think their omnipotent deities could manage it.
CJ>> Not vampire bats, though. Blood is a laxative, and the
CJ>> resulting guano . . . unmistakable.
GT> That would make EXCELLENT fertilizer.
Indeed!
The Second Temple of Jerusalem had sluices to wash away all
the blood from the sacrifices. The soil where it ended up was
sold at a great premium to surrounding farmers.
Maybe this was the original "Field of Blood"?
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: heat
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:13
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CJ>>>> Ciya? Uh . . . just who is Ciya? The nanny-goat companion of
GT>>> I have vague memories of her being his niece's imaginary friend.
GT> I hope I'm right.
Those in the know told me you were.
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|From: Curtis Johnson
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: dark bible #4
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:38:14
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On 26 Dec 96 03:12pm, JOHN BRAWLEY wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
JB> Yes. It works often enough that it is imho statistically unreasonable
JB> to ascribe the results to "coincidence." The 'meteorite' example is
not
JB> just an example: it was a real event. That is, the meteorite I asked
JB> for six months ahead of time, to see at 12:00 midnight on the day of
JB> Winter Solstice (this was many years ago, by the way), appeared on
JB> schedule, within a few minutes of the appointed hour. Which is of
JB> course to say "yes, it worked then."
John, at the very least you should have established the
average frequency of visible meteors before ascribing any
particular significance to yours.
From _A Concise Encyclopedia of Astronomy_, American
Elsevier, 1969, "Meteor":
"About 25 meteors an hour can be seen from a single
observation point with the naked eye. One observer, who naturally
cannot keep all parts of the sky under observation at the same
time, usually sees about 8 meteors in the same period. The number
of meteors visible each day over the whole of the earth is
approximately 100 million."
IOW, you could typically expect to see a meteor every 7-8
minutes anyway.
That's the over-all, "background," year-in/year-out
average. But noted: "The frequency of meteors has a daily and
an annual variation: the hourly number observed on any one night
increases from the early evening until about 3 or 4 hours after
midnight, and the mean hourly frequency for a single night is
least in the spring and a maximum in the autumn." IOW, the time
you'd specified was not the ideal in these statistical patterns,
but it was above the average.
And, as it turns, out, winter solstice is exactly the time
of the Ursids--a show which adds a dozen more meteors/hour over
the background rate.
JB> For example, the issue of smoking.... With a coincidence-violating
JB> regularity that is astonishing, I go out to get cigarettes and am
JB> interfered with on the way to the store about four times in five. The
JB> opposite is also true: if I try to _avoid_ stopping for cigarettes,
JB> events in my area _aid_ my motion _past_ the store.
JB> I can't tell you often "He" messes with me like that....
JB> (*BFGrin*)
Assmuming that all this stuff happening to you while
walking tobacco road is as statistically meaningful as you state,
other explanations would also be consistent with the above.
For instance, it is apparent that you feel guilty about
smoking. Perhaps the power operating to hinder your tobacco
purchase is yours, but you are unconscious of it?
Nicotine withdrawal makes people edgy, interferes with
their concentration, and makes them forgetful. Combine them with
a bad conscience about smoking, and you're likely to be "out of
synch" with events.
... I've been before the screen too long. . . I'm pixellated. . .
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: RESPONSE TO "BLAST
|Date: 29 Dec 96 13:43:08
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Hello Becke!
Becke Boyer wrote in a message to Mimi Milstein:
>Not that everybody is burning to snoop into your private life,
>but you DID conduct your courtship with Sean in a public echo,
>and it APPEARS like you dumped Sean and HOLY_SMOKE simultaneously,
>a good many months ago, after long periods of lovey dovey msgs.
BB> There was much to my and Sean's relationship that *wasn't*
BB> conducted in public echo.
Naturally,
BB> At any rate, that doesn't explain the assumptions that you
BB> have made about me, nor the libelous remarks you have made.
Your ideas about 'libel' are vague. You DO know the words
SEEM TO, MAYBE, and POSSIBILITY don't you?
Reread my old msg to Sean:
MM> I assume it was the lady we all knew as your romantic interest.
MM> Condolences or congratulations... I hardly know what to offer.
MM> You seem to have been thoroughly two-timed, so maybe all her
MM> sad background stories were also virtual reality created for
MM> their entertainment value here in HS.
MM> I guess none of us will ever know. Another possibility is that
MM> she had so low self esteem that she didn't dare to meet you.
BB> If you're that interested, DO your research. Ask me whatever
BB> you want to know.
yawn
MM> Indeed, no research was or could be done, as you simply had
MM> vanished AFA the HS echo was concerned (and to be truthful,
MM> your existence had slipped my mind). Only when Sean's msg
MM> appeared in November did your common saga surface again.
BB> And you take at face value everything you read?
Not too often, but sometimes I engage in conversation with
people who make statements.
BB> You should have considered that without me being around to
BB> defend myself against his attacks, part or all of the story
BB> could be warped? Hmph. So much for impartiality.
The subject was not interesting enough to spend time on, and
who knows, even after having read 'your side', where the
truth lies.
BB> No, I'm angry because you made assumptions about something
BB> you know nothing about, and managed to libel me in the
BB> process. As I said before, get your facts straight before
BB> you open your big mouth and spew out insults towards me
BB> which are totally unfounded. You're starting to act like a
BB> fundie.
Don't worry, dear, both you and I will get over that. The
'fundyism' may, however, have some grain of truth in it.
I DO tend to believe in the divine tits of Gwenny - and
from your own admission, so does Sean (and quite a few
other stags) - but of course, I have not been doing any
personal *Research*, so I can't prove it :-)
... Greetings from Mimi
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Mary's Pelvic Exam
|Date: 28 Dec 96 17:36:16
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On Dec 26 15:56 96, DAVID RICE of 1:124/9005 wrote:
JH>> 14:18 Then Salome went in, and the midwife said, Mary, shew
JH>> thyself for a great controversy is risen concerning thee.
JH>> 14:19 And Salome received satisfaction.
DR> ROTFL! Must have been before the actual birth, if
DR> she still appeared "virgin."
Oh, no!
Don't you know about the doctrine of Mary's Perpetual Virginity?
The infant Jesus didn't pass through her vagina.
He teleported his way out.
(This is detailed in the 13th chapter of the above work. The
passage is as close to Special Effects as I've seen in the Bible:
it describes a shimmering cloud of light that blinds the witnesses
and when it fades out, there's the baby Jesus sucking away at
Mary's breast.)
Four more years! - Live with it!
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 28 Dec 96 20:04:00
EID:f003 219ca080
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 9404d9ba
NNC> The media has really played up the Jeffrey Dalmer cut up his victims,
NC>and washed the flesh down the drain...
NC> But here are some of the ways abortionists dispose of the dead fetuses:
NC> Put tem down the garbage disposal, stick them in garbage bags and
stash
NC>them in a store room to rot. Dumped in trash bags along with coffee grounds
,
NC>cigarette butts and remannts of chicken dinners.
NC> One abortionist filed a complaint against another abortionist - this
NC> doctor vomited when he observed his compatriot grinding up aborted
fetuses
NC>of 15 - 22 weeks in a standard kitchen meat grinder and flushing the
tissue
NC>down the sink. ((What a wonderful world we have without a God))
Names and addresses, please. That is, if you can supply them. This has
every earmark of yet another formless, trackless xtain horror fairy
tale.
NC> Another abortion practitioner who also used a meat grinder to grind
up the
NC>dead fetuses stated that he had developed that method of
NC>disposal because the fetuses would plug up the toilet and he didn't want
to
NC>put them in the trash.
NC> One abortion clinic installed an "industrial gauge" garbage disposal
NC>they routinly dumped 8 to 20 week fetuses down the disposal.
Again, document your story. Who is this doctor, and where is his
clinic? You can name names, can't you? Or is your evidence on the
lines of 'a friend of a friend'? You can document this, can't you?
NC> Is this really very different from the way Jeffrey Dalmer disposed
of the
NC>bodies of those he killed?
NC>Compare to Nazi Germany , you could smell the burning flesh for miles
around
NC>the concentration camps and yet many Germans claimed they
NC>new nothing... History does repeat it's self doesn't it!
The Nazi's were big on the 'big lie', too. Are you repeating history
yourself?
NC> Just think! You feel abortion is ok, .... Someday society may feel
NC> you are just as "un-needed"... I hope you have a better end then the
NC> childern we are now killing in the clincs..
"Every sperm is sacred..."
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: ask and ye shall rece
|Date: 28 Dec 96 20:04:00
EID:a4a1 219ca080
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org a1a28255
RS> RS> alcohol
RS> RS> caffiene
RS> RS> fat
RS> RS> sugar
RS> SA> Ahhhh, not quite perfect, then. The number one, most
RS> SA> indispensible food group I know of is CHOCOLATE. Granted it
RS> SA> has both fat and sugar, but there is nothing quite like
RS> SA> it...
RS> I've had Irish Coffee with chocolate sprinkles on the top.
RS> Would that suffice?
RS> Two related bits about chocolate. In another area there is a
RS> great debate going on about if chocolate is lethal for dogs
RS> in large doses. If anyone is interested, I can bootleg some
RS> of the posts over here. Also, I have somewhere a lovely
RS> Pagan chocolate ritual which, if I can find it, I may upload
RS> here. Chocolate is its own reward, after all . . .
Is that the one with the chocolate chips, or the one that ends up with
cocoa sprinkled all over the back yard?
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Goodbye
|Date: 28 Dec 96 20:04:00
EID:b3cb 219ca080
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org f4e1c9b1
ML> KW> Yes, he has, and I will be off the serious meds by tomorrow. :)
ML> Not so yours truly (I just *know* I'm going to regret this post
ML> in a later life...), but I was incarcerated in the local
ML> hospitalatorium for 3.5 days beginning last Saturday, very early
ML> AM.
ML> What I thought was a mild case of "Asian Restaurant Syndrome"
ML> after a Friday lunch at a local Korean eatery, in short,
ML> wasn't.
Oh, no...
ML> I was unceremoniously dumped in the ER at 0600 and almost as
ML> quickly admitted with excruciating lower (very lower, thank you
ML> very much) abdominal pain. After an attenuated series of X-rays,
ML> a renogram, ultrasound and series of purely exquisite palpitations,
ML> pokings and proddings; I was retired for the eve under the guidance
of
ML> some fairly amusing sedatives in fairly massive quantities.
I'm so sorry to hear about this.
ML> Early Sunday morning, a wee knock on the door announced an even
more
ML> wee character bedecked in basic black, a very starched white collar
and
ML> carrying an ominous black book.
ML> "Good morning, my son." he smarmed as he oozed bedside.
ML> "Buzz off...I ain't your son." (I'm even less congenial when I'm
ML> IV'ed, Foley cath'ed and in pain than I am usually.)
ML> "But, my son, I come to offer you words of comfort..."
ML> "Look chuckles, unless you have 100 cc's of morphine and vikodan
ML> in a hypo ready for delivery, nothing you could possibly say would
ML> be of any comfort."
ML> "I'm here to tell you of the 'Good News', how God will lift the
pain
ML> from you."
ML> "Look, Buckwheat, I already told you; I'll rely on something tangible
ML> in the soporific department. button?>"
ML> "Oh, but God is tangible..."
ML> "G'wan...beat it...scram...I don't believe in God or any other of
your
ML> goofy superstitions."
ML> He looked physically stung.
ML> "You don't believe in God?"
ML> "Oh..." he began to chuckle..."I see your IV. You must be in pain...
ML> You're delusional."
ML> "NO, DAMN IT!" I bellowed, "I'M ON DRUGS! YOU'RE DELUSIONAL!"
ML> I guess the Linda Blair head-turns and bed-raising exorcises were
ML> unnecessary as he beat a hasty retreat to the door, clutching
ML> his crucifix and uttering semi-audible mantras.
You let him live?
ML> (It turned out to be diverticulitis, extra painful division. Although
ML> Darvocet 400's and gobs of antibiotics are helping to turn the tide.)
Marty, I'm ashamed of how long it took me to get around to getting into
my mail packets. I hope that you are doing better now. Do they have
you on a diet for this?
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: WARRING CHRISTANIC FA
|Date: 28 Dec 96 20:04:00
EID:fc2a 219ca080
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org f805e198
RH>Except from me, once in awhile, just to keep things balanced.
RH>Goddesses indeed! Nonsense!
Which goddess? ;)
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 28 Dec 96 20:04:00
EID:707a 219ca080
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 4511ae81
GTP>I can sleep . . .or not sleep. . .just about anywhere. And we have
sleeping
GTP>bags and an air mattress, so we're good to go. Um, just one problem.
GTP>Everyone in our house sleeps naked. I don't think I own a decent
(ie,
GTP>intended for sleeping) nightgown. I suppose I'll hafta to go out and
buy one.
Or team up with others of us who cant stand to sleep in nightclothes!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: When in doubt, PCR the su
|Date: 29 Dec 96 17:15:56
EID:4d6b 219d89e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 32c6a771
PID: GED3 2.51.a1026 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, DAVID!
Mercurii dies December 25 1996, Dixit DAVID RICE ad MARTIN GOLDBERG:
DR> PLEASE!!! PLEASE tell me who published it, and give
DR> me any phone number of the organization that published
DR> it, and the city where you live / received it. I want
DR> to telephone them and say:
Drop me your address in mail, as I can try to get you a copy of the thing.
Copies are very easily obtained here in Rowlett.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 29 Dec 96 17:19:18
EID:fc81 219d8a60
MSGID: 1:124/9005 32c6a839
PID: GED3 2.51.a1026 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, DAVID!
Veneris dies December 27 1996, Dixit DAVID RICE ad ANDREW MASTEN:
>>DR> Since the Big Bang defines time, there is no such
>>DR> thing as an "outside." This has already been
>>DR> explained to you: why do you keep asserting a
>>DR> known false hypothesis?
AM>> No David, it hasn't been explained, its simply been
AM>> asserted by you. And my assertion is not a false
AM>> hypothesis, but logical deduction.
[...]
AM>> Why should the universe be an exception?
DR> Because it is irrelevant.
Cut to the quick: Who created God?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Fido shits again
|Date: 29 Dec 96 17:21:20
EID:35bc 219d8aa0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 32c6a8bc
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 32c2b8a8
PID: GED3 2.51.a1026 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Marty!
Jovis dies December 26 1996, Dixit Don Martin ad Marty Leipzig:
DM>> [Corporal Klink voice]: I saw nussing, nussing. . . .
ML>> Actually, it was Colonel Klink; but Sargeant Schultz was the
ML>> one who uttered those immortal lines.
ML>> (Gad. Have we really sunk so low as to be discussing the
ML>> attributes of Hogan's Heroes?)
Of course, there's always my favourite:
Klink: General Burkhalter, it is such a pleasure to see you!
Burkhalter: It is not a pleasure to see YOU, Klink.
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|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To: Kurtis Baxter
|Sub: Bible
|Date: 26 Dec 96 12:14:00
EID:330b 219a61c0
SPTH: Fidonet#1:222/10 :343/108
MSGID: 1:222/10@Fidonet 2c3f7f81
-=> Quoting Kurtis Baxter to All <=-
Good morning, Kurtis.
KB> Do you think the bible is real,
Sure it's real. There's one sitting right here behind my computer.
(This is going to sound sacreligious, but right now my RSV is holding up
the back of my monitor - it just happened to be the right size for the
job, and was within arms reach when the short in the video cable got too
bothersome. If it wasn't real, the monitor would fall down . My KJV
is still on the shelf nearby, though).
KB> and god really wrote it etc,
A rational look at the evidence would lead one to believe otherwise.
Personally, I believe that an inspection of the internal evidence
indicates that He may have inspired it, or at least parts of it.
KB> or do you
KB> think it was written by a group so that people would feel that they
KB> had a purpose, and there was a meaning for life?
All of the above.
KB> Hmm..... I love turtles.
I prefer peppermint patties.
Take care.
... He who hath many friends, hath none. - Aristotle
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Gerry Danen
|Sub: December 25
|Date: 29 Dec 96 07:22:32
EID:6142 219d3ac0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c62329
REPLY: 1:342/1017 32c4aed7
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Gerry!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Gerry say to Gwenny:
GP>RS>>> He is in England, where it is called something else. And it
GP>RS>>> has different names around the world.
GP>GD>> I'll bet it's called Christmas in England...
GP>> It's also called Yule, even though Yule is specifically the Winter
GP>> Solstice.
GD> Maybe, but Christmas is still Christmas unless you believe different...
Silly person, alot of English people DO think differently. That is where
the NeoPagan movement started. I've yet to meet a someone British who was
Christian, let alone fundamentalist Christian.
GP>RS>>> Don't be anglocentric.
GP>GD>> Excuse me?
GP>> The American propensity for believing that all the Universe uses the
GP>> same language and has the same view of things as they do. We are VERY
GP>> sheltered
GD> Isn't this an Enlish-language echo?
Predominantly. That wasn't your question. You wanted to know what Anglocentric
meant.
GP>> much of the world they are converting. Truth is, there were only a
GP>> couple o tiny places where the MAJORITY of the people profess a belief
GP>> in Jeshua and his ghost dad. A good portion of the planet has never
GP>> even seen a missionar
GD> Is that what we're talking about, my newage friend?
It's what I'm talking about. Just trying to increase your knowledge. I
know, givinig a fool knowledge is like pouring water down a rat hole. BTW,
I'm not New Age. New Age is a cop-out for people not willing to take the
plunge and leave Christianity. I don't believe in angels, guides, dieties,
etc. I am a pure unadulterated barbarian pagan. The New Agers call my
type "unevolved" because we believe in guns, hunting, protecting ourselves,
etc. I would have been offended, but I noticed that you are too stupid
to know the different. One has to be nice to children, animals, and idiots.
GP>> and at least two thirds doesn't have enough converts to support a
GP>> church. we blithely go along believing that everyone celebrates
GP>> Christmas.
GD> No, I don't mean to suggest that everyone celebrates Christmas, just
GD> that those who do, know its meaning.
Pretty big assumption given the range this echo has. We have folks from
England, South Africa, Australia, and, perhaps, even SE Asia. And even
Russia when Marty is out and about. To ASS-ume that everyone here even
cares that it's the birthday of Mithras which was later stolen by a outshoot
of Judaism is pushing it. To ASS-ume that they celebrate it defies intelligence.
To demand they call it CHRIST_MASS, when they, in fact, loathe the perversion
that has grown up around the name identifies you for what you are. It's
Yule at our house. My grandchildren will grow up to call it Yule and we
won't poison their thoughts about Christ until they are old enough to understand.
GP>> My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
GP>> Gwenny
GD> And who will be your authority when you stand before God Almighty after
GD> you die? I'm sorry but I feel very sorry for you.
You are a twit. Truly. I didn't leave god, your god never bothered to
answer me. My deduction, after having done everything I was told to do
in five different xtians sects, is that there is no god, he was an invention
of priests a millenia or so ago so that they could control the masses and
get rich. He will not judge me. He dare not judge me. To judge me he
must take into consideration that he NEVER, EVER kept his promises in the
bible, that he allowed me to be raped, sodomized, beaten and mentally and
spiritually abused for twelve years, that he is responsible for everything
his followers have even done to me. If he exists, your scriptures show him
to be a baby-killing, woman-hating racist pervert. The only sorrow you
should have for me is that it took me so long to heal enough to tell his
misguided followers to shove off.
Damn! I really should just make a FAQ of my life, so I could just repost
it to every xtian that wanders in here telling me I am wrong.
GD> You may just feel wonderful about yourself right now,
I do. Which is quite a change from the first thirty-five years of my life
when I was certain that I was a terrible evil person for your god to totally
ignore me and allow people around me to keep hurting me. I was certain
that I must have been born a terrible evil person for your god to allow
my stepfather to hurt me so bad; that I would never have anyone to love
me, because my mother told me so almost daily; that I must be sub-human
since my father was Indian, because my sisters and their kin called the
dirty little Indian brat; that I wasn't smart enough to find the Truth,
because the followers of your god lied to me.
BUT (warning, witnessing to follow ), five years ago I moved away from
all the evil influences in my life. . .away from the Church, away from family,
away from friends. . .and started from scratch. I met a really weird pagan
alcoholic and then next time I got depressed (so depressed I couldn't even
contemplate killing myself, as I deserved to suffer) I cried out to your
god and BEGGED him to make me better. BEGGED, as I had begged on my knees
as a child. NO ANSWER. Nada, not a peep. So I got angry and I said, "Fine,
I don't care who you are, SOMEBODY answer me." A very sweet woman's voice
said, "Go to sleep, it will be alright." Imagine my surprise. No one had
ever answered me. Ever. I did the only thing I could do. I said, "Excuse
me?" "Go to sleep," said the same voice, but a little peeved, "it will be
alright in the morning." Hey, I don't argue with voices, even if that was
the only time I heard one. I went to sleep. It HAS been alright.
GD> but think of the hereafter...and don't for a moment about
GD> reincarnation. It ain't real!
What hereafter? If a hereafter existed, someone would have found a way
back to tell us. As Heinlein says, there is absolutely no evidence for
an afterlife. Nor is there any evidence that it doesn't exist. Soon enough
you will know. Why worry about it?
I am sure that IF your god exists (which god is that, btw?), he would be
at least as fair as earthly judges. But, like reincarnation, he ain't
real. I'm not worried about it. If he wants me, he knows where to find
me. I'm still waiting for ANY deity to show up for dinner.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Time flies when you're dazed and confused.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: No, really.
|Date: 29 Dec 96 07:52:25
EID:9e08 219d3e80
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c626cb
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, DAVID!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
DAVID say to GWENNY:
DR> You'll never guess who sent me e-mail this morning. Nope. Nope. Nope.
DR> It was Hawk Shadow (Julie)! No, really!
Cool! She's a really great person. Open the letter.
DR> I'm afraid to read it, though, because it is probably a reply to a
DR> message I sent to the Dragonfest Board of Directors asking them to
DR> tell her I still think she hung the moon and stars. Hummm. I've
DR> written so on the community center board for the past four years.
Yeah, and then you won't tell anyone where you camp. The only place
I've ever seen you is at meals and the mead tasting. (BTW, it was wonderful
last year. Too bad you had to leave so soon.)
DR> The reply could span the spectrum from the negative side "Get lost you
DR> revoltingly ugly creep,"
David, dear, don't make me spank you. If people like Falkhan and Mike Malloy
can get woman (multiple women at that), so can you. You are NOT ugly.
You are a very nice looking man, even if you do try to vanish if a woman
looks at you.
DR> to the most-likely moderate "Oh, that's nice *YAWN!*" to the bloody
DR> unlikely "Ooooh! Take me now, big boy!"
What you seem to fail to understand is that most of us are empathic. You
give off "don't touch me" vibes. Especially to more ample women like myself.
None of us is going to bother you as long as you do that. There are entirely
too many men trying to drag us behind the bushes for us to pine after you.
So if I tease, it is just teasing. I do not ignore other people's KEEP
OUT signs. If you want a woman at Dfest to take you seriously, you need
to be serious about. I seem to recall a woman making a pass at you a couple
of years ago. She's probably STILL nursing her ego after the way you responded.
Tell you what, this year you can enroll in Gwenny's flirting class. I will
do my best to help you connect with the fairer sex. (I did fairly well in
spite of the Hunter and Starfire this year by just carrying around a basket
and saying I was Red Riding Hood and I was looking for a wolf. ) Of
course, I have the advantage of being somewhat notorious. There are still
people who remember me as the busty woman with the red scarf and the Harley
hat. Hmmmmm, I wonder if Johannan is going to be there this time.
DR> So you can see why I'm afraid to read it. :-) Maybe I'll forge a
DR> "UNDELIVERABLE" message and send it back.
READ THE MESSAGE DAVID. No matter what it says, it is better than the suspense.
Don't make me come out there and beat you.
hugs and snuggles,
Gwenny
... TOWEL -- Don't leave home without it!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:08:31
EID:74e0 219d4100
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Heilsa, Quentin!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Quentin say to Gwenny:
QF>>> I'm a little curious as to why this is a concern of yours. She's not
QF>>> even old enough to date you, and even if she was, nobody would be
QF>>> making you date her.
GtP>> THANK YOU!
QF> Actually, she sounds like she'd be really cute if she was a few years
QF> older. :)
I think she is beautiful, but she's my daughter. I imagine that when she
is legal, men like David not withstanding, she will have no problem getting
men. I have never had any problem.
She read this message over my shoulder. She said, "thank you."
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... By releasing my inhibitions, I can get in touch w/my Inner Psychopath!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Alignment list
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:11:22
EID:fa24 219d4160
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Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Katherine say to Gwenny:
GTP>KW>> Mike Hardy Mobile, Alabama former evangelical 2 years
GTP>KW>> Christian turned
GTP>KW>> Open-minded agnostic.
GTP>> Ack, I have been missing out on good stuff. Have we had a atheist
or
GTP>> agnostic "find Jesus" yet??
KW> Not that I'm aware of, unless you want to count Joanna.
I don't think yoyos count.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Way to accelerate a MAC #12: Fire it from a canon.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: December 25
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:14:06
EID:63f3 219d41c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c628b6
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Heilsa, Richard!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Richard say to Gwenny:
GD>> I'll bet it's called Christmas in England...
GtP>> It's also called Yule, even though Yule is specifically the
GtP>> Winter Solstice.
RS> Which is what I told him. I wasn't aware that they finally started
RS> calling it Christmas . . . all the English novels that I've ever read
RS> that dealt with that time of year referred to it as Yule, I'm pretty
RS> sure . . .
I always thought that, too. But then all the Brits I know are either Wiccan,
atheist, or SF nuts. . .or all three.
GtP>> I don't believe that Richard's little macro is an insult. I
GtP>> had (and I don't really know Latin) kinda translated it to
GtP>> mean something along the lines of "What, am I worried?" I
GtP>> could be wrong. Just about the time I think I've figured it
GtP>> out, I'm wrong.
RS> You've got it right, it's: What, me worry? As in Alfred E.
RS> Neuman, as in Mad Magazine . . .
That's what Wild said when I asked. It has been just years since I read
a Mad. I had forgotten. But it seemed obvious to me.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Use New "Instant Shaman." Just add magick and beat with a drum.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:15:59
EID:d1a7 219d41e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c629df
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Heilsa, Marilyn!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Marilyn say to Gwenny:
Gt>> According to my husband there are two organizations higher
Gt>> than MENSA. My guess would be that many of you (again, I only
Gt>> JUST qualify for MENSA) would fit there. If it was worth the
Gt>> trouble.
MB> There's a lot more than two. There Intertel, which has a one
MB> percent cut-off point, and the Triple Nine Society, which requires
MB> you to place in the upper .1 percent of the population, but there
MB> is also a group that is called the International Society for
MB> Philosophical Inquiry (or something similar to that), and other
MB> even less-well-known groups. The TNS fascinates me, as it only
MB> has something like 150 members worldwide. That being the case,
MB> the "S" seems a bit of a misnomer.
I had no idea there were so many. But then, I wouldn't be in the position
to know. Wild says he took the Triple Nine test on a dare and passed it.
But he said he never joined because "they are more boring than the St. Andrews
Society." ARGGGGGHHHH! That's scary.
Bottom line is, I will never qualify for any of them. No use pining about
it. My only fear is getting caught in some disaster or catastrophe with
a bunch of them. The thought of being the only person with real world skills
who knows how to use a can opener TERRIFIES me.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... REALITY-OMETER: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so ...
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Traditional Christian wea
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:20:49
EID:7d57 219d4280
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c629ff
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Heilsa, Glen!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Glen say to Gwenny:
GtP>> However, I do agree that it is merely a compliment for the necessary
GtP>> carne. The toughest time we've had recently was when the vegetarian
GtP>> Christian was staying with us for a month and I ran out of interesting
GtP>> veggie recipes in less than a week. And I DON'T do tofu.
GT> I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat BEAN CURDS!
No, indeed. Give me a nice bloody hunk of meat any day.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... The OFFICIAL tagline of the 1996 Olympics!
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Thanksgiving
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:21:23
EID:2c9d 219d42a0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c62a91
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Heilsa, Glen!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Glen say to Gwenny:
JJ>>>> And just who are these "True Folk"? The 4% atheists in the U.S.?
DW>>> Glen is one of those goofy pagans, Jesse. Get your shit together,
ok?
GT> _Heathen_, dammit!
Damn straight, we DO live in the middle of the wilderness.
GtP>> And you are a misogynist, your point.
GT> Yes, he has a point, dear -- but if he wears a hat, maybe people won't
GT> notice.
And a hat big enough to cover it would certainly draw so much attention
that he could run around naked and no one would notice that other LITTLE
thing he has. Well, maybe they wouldn't notice it anyway.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... And Satan said to God, "Yes, but where will YOU find a lawyer?"
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: 2 corinthians 9:13
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:23:56
EID:0676 219d42e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c62acd
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Heilsa, Glen!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Glen say to Gwenny:
DM>>>> Hey, WOAs! Can we have a hearty round of sniff for Miss Defenseless
DM>>>> here?
DW>>> Yeah, real defenseless... about as defenseless as a M-1A.
GtP>> I don't know where you people got the idea that I am anything but
a
GtP>> shy retiring obedient woman. Just ask my hus...on second thought,
GtP>> don't.
GT> No comment.
Your training isn't complete yet. Back to the dungeon. And I don't think Wiccans would take him. Various New Age metafundies
FR> might want him.
Al is almost New Age as it is. New Agers are just a brand of Christian
that pines over angels and considers us pagans to be unevolved barbarians.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Sermon good, missionary Tasty, send more soon.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: "Yours is the superior intellect."
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:33:15
EID:7af5 219d4420
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Heilsa, Fredric!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Fredric say to ROBERT:
CG>> IQ: 174, tested by MENSA, an organisation I do not belong to,
CG>> since I found that it was full of 'social dysfunctionals'.
rc>> It was very kind of you to avoid exacerbating the problem by joining.
FR> I've got to ask what test this clown's number is predicated upon. I
FR> know of no test which doesn't provide a number that's not a multiple
FR> of 10.
Really. Gosh, I used to have a whole paperback of sample tests put out
by MENSA. I tested 136 on all but one. I got 137 on it. Since that is
also what school IQ test put me at, I just believed it. I also took the
test at some display they had at a mall, but I don't remember the score.
I do know they gave me a membership form.
So, would they round up or down to get my score in multiples of ten?
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... My family tree is in the forest, somewhere!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Staal's Jesus dick. Just how long was it?
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:38:03
EID:72f1 219d44c0
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Heilsa, Fredric!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Fredric say to Curtis:
FR> I could imagine the poor dear at a Pagan festival during a nature worship
FR> ritual. The poor dear would burst into flame and burn into cinders.
Quick, somebody bring the marshmallows.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... "I'd be more awake if I weren't so tired." --Kelandris
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:47:18
EID:e793 219d45e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c630fe
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Heilsa, Fredric!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Fredric say to Brian:
FR> Not to mention one must consider the alternative. We've polled the
forum
FR> before; no one likes the idea of abortions and no woman interviewed
at a
FR> clinic defense _wanted_ to have an abortion. The alternative, however,
was
FR> subsistance-level starvation and servitude.
Hey, I never thought of it before, but none of the women I protest with
has ever had an abortion. Given that there are hundreds of women there,
what with the Chain of Life and us, there must be SOMEONE who's had an abortion.
So it must be from THEIR side. How ironic.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Overflow on null device; please empty the bit bucket.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:51:50
EID:b61b 219d4660
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c63148
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Heilsa, Fredric!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Fredric say to All:
FR> How about a contest where theists pray for something to happen and atheists
FR> pray for something else to happen... We could tally-up the results
and use
FR> them to show the value of praying.
What about us pagans. We don't pray. We light candles and chant.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... No one can hear you scream at 300 baud.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Dander raising
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:53:14
EID:2831 219d46a0
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Heilsa, Mimi!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mimi say to Glen:
GT>> Hoo-hah! Maybe I'd better stick around to pick up the
GT>> pieces after this one.
MM> Nah, I don't mind..... I actually enjoy this kind of trolling
MM> banter. Dave is after all headmaster of 'The School of Snide
MM> Remarks'. I just keep my ammo dry and wait for the right
MM> moment :-) He is a great teaser - I am just sorry Gwenny felt
MM> hurt by his latest 'snidery'.
It's because Suzanne has to deal with that kind of crap at school. It is
very hurtful to her and, thus, to me. I remember being teased as a teen,
after I put on about thirty pounds following ovarian surgery. I don't care
what stupid men say about me now, as I am comfortable with who and what
I am. My daughter is only thirteen, and it hurts her alot to be made fun
of.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... "I came, I saw, she conquered. The latin seems to be garbled" RAH
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Off topic??
|Date: 29 Dec 96 08:59:34
EID:466a 219d4760
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c633ee
REPLY: 1:106/113.0 32c3e35c
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Nate!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Nate say to Don:
NC> My Favorite Martian was speaking!!! So I just had to stop and look in!
Oh, you like Michael, too? Did you know he was bi?
DM>> To me, the main theme of the echo is debunking, but Tiggy's
NC> Gee, whiz!!! And here we thought the purpose of this echo was so
you
NC> could call everyone a "Fundy"... Glad you finally set us all straight!
Not everyone. He's never called ME fundy, even though I've been told I
have an excellent fundament.
DM>> confusion is justified. Speaking for myself, I don't give a damn
DM>> about religion and would never trouble my pretty little head about
NC> The way you attack everyone who has a belief in God, you'd think
other
NC> wise.... Maybe it's not that "you don't give a damn".. maybe it's
just
NC> that you are runnning scared....
One question. Which god?
DM>> So long as they keep their hands off of our common wealth, our
DM>> government, religious persons of whatever stripe may worship
DM>> whatever they choose in whatever way they like without any objection
DM>> from me. I was recently reminded of an observation by Gibbon
NC> Gee.. one minute you are extoling the individuals rights to think
and
NC> do as we see fit, then is some other post you attack and call people
NC> "Fundies"...
He didn't deny your the right to think, unlikely as it is tht you can, he
says you can't act on your dysfunctional thoughts.
NC> You really are two faced aren't you? But then I can understand it,
NC> since you lack the knowledge of a personal saviour you feel or know
NC> you won't be answering to anyone or anything but your self...
And I would trust him a thousand times faster than I would trust you. Christians
are notorious for doing unethical things because their "personal savior"
will make it okay. I would never, ever trust my kids with an xtian.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Once again, Odo wins the Twister championship.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: God misses victims . . .
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:04:23
EID:c1c8 219d4880
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c63476
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 2c44cb57
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Heilsa, Richard!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Richard say to All:
>> But every one of the choir's fifteen members escaped
>> injury, saved by a fortuitous coincidence: All were late for
>> practice that night. Considering the sanctified site of the
>> explosion, it was not surprising that some attributed the
>> near miss to divine intervention.
>> They supposed rightly that the odds of unanimous tardiness
>> were slim indeed, especially when the reasons were examined.
Slim my ass. Why do you think they called it "Mormon Standard
Time"?
RS> Skeptic's take on the above: Gads, the Xtian Deity doesn't
RS> have any better aim than Asmodeus does . . .
Maybe Asmodeus IS god.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... I just Love the smell of Florida Orange Peels burning in the morning!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: True Folk
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:07:34
EID:3030 219d48e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c635b4
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, DAVID!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
DAVID say to DAVID:
DW>> First the Christians give us "True Christians/
DW>> False Christian Scum." Now we get "True Folk/
DW>> False Folk Scum" from the Pagans.
DR> I'm not at all sure, but for the Aesir-minded,
DR> the word "Folk" capitalized roughly means "coven"
DR> or "community."
Yes. And in the context of what Wild was saying, it wasn't TRUE and as
true or false, but True as in dedicated or, gasp, faithful.
DW>> What's next?
DR> True Spoon-benders / False Spoon-bender Scum.
True David Worrell scum
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... Zhirinovsky of Borg: I will reassimilate Alaska and Finland.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: When in doubt, PCR the su
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:13:09
EID:3791 219d49a0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c63674
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, DAVID!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
DAVID say to MARTIN:
MG>> 2. It was only a matter of time, but yesterday, I
MG>> found on my doorstep a small plastic bag with a
MG>> very small book in it (about the size of "Famous
MG>> Jewish Sports Heroes"). It was the "Christian
MG>> Yellow Pages. I suppose now you cna get a car
MG>> wash or your roof painted with your Jesus.
MG>>
MG>> As I said, it was only a matter of time.
DR> PLEASE!!! PLEASE tell me who published it, and give
DR> me any phone number of the organization that published
DR> it, and the city where you live / received it. I want
DR> to telephone them and say:
DR> "Thank you very much for a copy of 'Christian Yellow
DR> Pages.' I was wondering which businesses to boycott:
DR> this reference makes my boycot =MUCH= easier!"
Hey, that's what we do here. The have similar things here. We also have
the "Light Pages"--lists of metaphysical stuff. But the Pink Pages are
best. Gay friendly.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Equal rights
|Date: 29 Dec 96 09:23:07
EID:7ace 219d4ae0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32c638ad
REPLY: 1:261/1137.0 32c4e88b
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Don!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Don say to Martin:
MG>> Drinking bourbon is kinda like having a glass of iced tea....and then
MG>> fidning a dead cockroach in the bottom.
DM> At least with the bourbon, you know what killed the roach.
You know, I get the feeling that Dr. Lepzieg is outnumbered.
My skin, my bones, my heretic heart are my authority,
Gwenny
... `Who's an omen? Aaaaaaark.' - the four budgies of the apocalypse
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|From: Steve Hayes
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: christian freewill
|Date: 27 Dec 96 13:27:01
EID:c800 219b6b60
MSGID: 5:7107/9.0 32c6cc2a
REPLY: 1:261/1137 9810019e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE 1.11+
Steve Hayes is replying to Curtis Johnson, who wrote to Steve Hayes on 24
Dec 96 12:08:01:
CJ>> The Irish??? I'm not aware that they invaded any other
CJ>> country than Canada.
SH> They burnt the records of their own history at the 4 courts in Dublin
SH> in 1922.
CJ> The Four Courts building housed courts of justice, an
CJ> unlikely place to store "the records of their own history."
CJ> I have found references to the building being badly damaged in
CJ> 1922 when the IRA holed up there during fighting with the new
CJ> Irish government.
CJ> Destruction of court records is not libarary burning.
Well, maybe the Irish do unlikely things, but nevertheless a lot of historical
records were kept there, and a lot of books note the difficulties this causes
for historical research.
SH> You appeared to be saying that the Egyprians had done the same thing
at
SH> Alexandria.
CJ> A particular group of Egyptians, for religious reasons.
Which group?
Keep well,
Steve Hayes
E-mail: steveh@khanya.bbs.co.za
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734
... Add to your genealogy the easy way: have grandchildren
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|From: Steve Hayes
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: atheistic bombast
|Date: 27 Dec 96 13:31:50
EID:8ac9 219b6be0
MSGID: 5:7107/9.0 32c6cc2b
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE 1.11+
Steve Hayes is replying to Marty Leipzig, who wrote to Steve Hayes on 25
Dec 96 04:25:09:
ML> Now, are you saying that one needs to be "saved" (whatever that
ML> may be; you've never bothered to define the term) in order to
ML> survive?
Here is the answer I gave Shelby Sherman.
I repeat it in case you missed it.
SS> Why does ANYONE need to be saved? Please be specific. I have yet
SS> to have a christian answer this simple question.
Much the same answer as you would get to the question "Why does anyone need
a
liver?"
The answer depends on the assumptions you make about life, the universe
and
everything, and the answer isn't always 42.
Christians believe that God made the world and made it good. But when we
look
at the world around us there are a lot of things that don't look good -
war,
oppression, crime, sickness, and so on. Christians regard these as evil,
or as
sin. "Sin" means falling short of the target, or failing to reach a goal.
The
world has somehow failed to reach the goal of "goodness".
Christians believe that this evil, or sin, is not just a random occurrence,
but is actually caused by a power or force that promotes it. There is ill
will
behind it. Christians believe that the world is enemy-occupied territory,
and
the enemy who occupies it is the devil, or the satan (which means enemy,
adversary, opponent, public prosecutor, district attorney).
Christians believe that the world is in effect one big concentration camp,
with Satan as the commandant.
Christians believe that God did not want to leave the world in the mess
it had
got into, but acted to get out of the mess. God became man, and entered
the
concentration camp in the guide of a prisoner. The guards knew there was
something odd about this particular prisoner, but weren't sure what. They
decided to get rid of him, and executed him but that was their downfall.
As
the Christian scriptures put it, "None of the rulers of this age understood
this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory"
(I Co
2:8).
Chrsitians believe that Jesus has bound the devil, and broken down the gates
of the concentration camp. Christians believe that this is good news, and
that
they should tell others the news that the commandant is locked up, and the
gates are broken down. Being saved, therefore, means being saved from the
devil, evil, sin and death.
So from a Christian point of view, the question is not why anyone needs
to be
saved, but why anyone needs to stay in the concentration camp.
Of course if you don't share those assumptions, and you don't think the
world
is like that, then it won't make much sense to you. You might think that
there
is neither good nor evil, and that there is no purpose in existence, and
that
life came into being purely by chance and that the events that we observe
or
think we observe are just one damn thing after another with nothing either
better or worse than anything else. If you see things that way, then being
saved is no different from being damned.
... I'd love to stay here and be normal, but it's just so overrated
... Marty Leipzig's obfuscatory ramblings continue to mystify me
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|From: Steve Hayes
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: why do you need to be
|Date: 27 Dec 96 13:39:48
EID:bfba 219b6ce0
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Steve Hayes is replying to Curtis Johnson, who wrote to Steve Hayes on 24
Dec 96 23:12:07:
CJ> So--what the bloody hell *are* sponge cats?
There is a reference to them in a book by Eric Thacker and Anthony Earnshaw,
called "Musrum", which begins as follows:
* There was little excuse for the invention of the name MUSRUM. It was already
known in sixteen principalities and native states.
* There were, however, several religious reasons, but these are unlikely
to become evident it what follows.
* Musrum is terribly afraid of sponge-cats.
* Keep your sponge-cat under control
* The Kingdom of Intersol slopes down for a hundred miles through blue flax
plantations to the sea and oblivion.
* The Trans-Siberian Railway was established to facilitate the construction
of the Far East.
* Every hour, on the precise stroke, trains leave Moscow bearing Musrum
and his relations in tears.
* Gilvis wrote a book of life for the dead.
* He is probably writing your biography at this moment.
* A sponge-cat weeps after the Muscovite trains. Musrum also weeps, but
in another room.
* Sudden prayers make God jump.
*The forehead of the Arch-Seraph slopes down for a hundred miles to the
sea and oblivion.
* Mandrills and bishops have purple in common.
* The fear of sponge-cats is the beginning of wisdom.
* A torpedoed cathedral sinks rapidly into the earth.
* The third miracle introduced red and green into the world.
* The fourth miracle made God duck.
- etc.
And that contains just about all I know about sponge-cats :-)
Keep well,
Steve Hayes
E-mail: steveh@khanya.bbs.co.za
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734
... As a river flows always towards its mouth, so fire burns
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Canadian Politics
|Date: 29 Dec 96 19:57:50
EID:796e 219d9f20
MSGID: 5:7107/21.0 2c713a90
REPLY: 1:229/622 32c5a287
Hello Dave!
Dave Hamilton wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
FR> "Allright! Who threw that stone?" - Life of Brian.
DH> "And Jesus said, let he among you who is without sin cast
DH> the first stone. And lo, as the stone went whistling past
DH> His ear, He stamped His foot and said, Mother! Will you
DH> let me do my job?"
LOL!!!
... Greetings from Mimi
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Carl Pollock
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Re: Pray Contest
|Date: 29 Dec 96 15:18:31
EID:0fff 219d7a40
<<=QUOTING Fredric Rice @1:218/890 V TO All @{echomail}*4=>>
FR@V> How about a contest where theists pray for something to happen and
FR@V> atheists pray for something else to happen... We could tally-up the
FR@V> results and use them to show the value of praying.
The thing wrong with that idea is that God does not respond with a "yes"
to any
old prayer. If the request dosen't corraspond with his will, the answer
will be
a "no".
... key?? Where did they stick THAT one???????
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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|From: Brian Shreve
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: mary's pelvic exam
|Date: 29 Dec 96 16:14:26
EID:70e8 219d81c0
MSGID: 1:106/113 72e0235c
CJ> themselves troubled by the question of whether use of other
CJ> portals left a woman virgin or not.
Jesus was delivered from the womb.
Satan was delivered from the anus.
Propaganda was delivered from the mouth.
So saith Mickey Mouse, my god.
--- msgedsq 2.1a
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: purpose and ethics
|Date: 25 Dec 96 09:10:50
EID:202f 21994940
Gwenny the Pooh, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Lynda
Bustilloz
GtP> Heilsa, Lynda!
GtP> While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh
GtP> heard Lynda say to Steve:
LB> þ TLX v4.10 þ A SCRATCH? Your arm's off!
GtP> It's only a flesh wound.
"I've had worse."
... Cheeses of Nazareth: New age Deli in Jerusalem
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: This just in...
|Date: 28 Dec 96 13:38:09
EID:17d5 219c6cc0
Al Schroeder, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
ML> Food for thought department.
ML> Charles Manson is still exchanging gasses in a prison
ML> cell in California.
ML> Carl Sagan died today from pneumonia complications after a
ML> two year bout with myelodysplasia.
ML> Anyone care to tell me about a kind, just and loving God?
AS> If you were God, who would YOU rather have close to you?
Sounds rather reminiscent of Billy Graham who spoke to Korean
War widows that "God needed to populate heaven".
That hollow ring I hear is not tubular bells.
AS> (Not doubting that the loss of Sagan is a loss to us all, though,
AS> that remain here...)
Indeed. I feel a great sadness knowing that he is no more (I
met Dr. Sagan when I was assistant curator of the Milwaukee
Public Museum. That man was a hoot. He will be greatly missed.)
... "Meanwhile, on Cape Cod, Pepperidge Farm remembers..." - Crow
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: Job/Problem with pain
|Date: 26 Dec 96 05:04:57
EID:22e7 219a2880
Chris Green, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to All <=-
CG> I am at a crossroads in my studies, since I am currently learning
CG> hebrew (canaanite) and aramaic; so it will be a while before I can
CG> continue.
ML> Looks like a Wiens-wannabe in training.
CG> Wienerschnitzel?
Schweinhund.
CG> Nothing like good curry sauce with it as well.
If it's habanero pepper based.
CG> To study source material Marty, you have to be able to read it.
Indeed. That's why I'm fluent in petrology, etc.
CG> You
CG> can't argue accurately, if you are relying upon other peoples'
CG> translations.
But of course you can; particularly if you're arguing their
choice of translation or the lack of consistency in their pet
translation.
CG> To debunk religion you have to reach into its history,
But merely one way in the myriad methods available to the
seasoned debunker. For instance, another method is the _ad
hominum_; which I'm sure you've heard of, right, asshole?
CG> and tear the
CG> guts out of the foundations -
I prefer to tear the guts out of the religionist; sometime by
way of religions sordid history.
Many roads lead to Rome, Chris.
CG> pissing around on the roof just gets the
CG> guttering wet!
As a Brit, you should full well know the dangers of being drunk
while on a roof.
... Are you suggesting that coconuts are migratory?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Billy "Liar" Wolff
|Date: 26 Dec 96 05:15:39
EID:8b68 219a29e0
Martin Goldberg, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to ALL
MG> Doews anyone have any idea what is wrong with this guy?
There are several theories; but all include lower life forms
and decorum prevents me from listing them all here.
... A torpedoed cathedral sinks rapidly into the earth.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: goodbye
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:42:13
EID:ae88 219a8d40
Curtis Johnson, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
SM>>> "GUARDS!! GUARDS!! AFTER HIM!!" [d&rg]
JH>>> GOURDS! GOURDS! SQUASH HIM!
DC>>> GARRANDS! GARRANDS! SHOOT HIM!
ML>>> GERUNDS! GERUNDS! DO HIM!
EV>>> GROUNDS! GROUND! FILTER THEM!
ML>>> GROINS! GROINS! KNEE HIM!
JH>>> GOADS! GOADS! POKE HIM!
ML>>> GOATS! GOATS! RAM HIM!
DC>>> GROATS, GROATS, BOIL HIM!
ML>>> GOITERS! GOITERS! ENLARGE HIM!
DC>>> GROLIERS! GROLIERS! CATALOG HIM!
ML>>> GONIOMETERS! GONIOMETERS! ANGLE HIM!
DR>>> GRACCHUS! GRACCHUS! REFORM HIM!
DR>>> GRAFTER! GRAFTER! CON HIM!
DR>>> GRAHAM! GRAHAM! CRACKER HIM!
ML>> GRAVAMENS! GRAVAMENS! GRIPE HIM!
ML>> GRAND JURY! GRAND JURY! INDICT HIM!
CJ>> GEOLOGISTS! GEOLOGISTS! STONE HIM!
ML> GEOPHYSICISTS! GEOPHYSICISTS! BOUGER HIM!
CJ> GYNECOLOGISTS! GYNECOLOGISTS! EXAM--er, never mind.
GYMNOSPERMS! GYMNOSPERMS! EXPOSE HIS SEED!
... -1 Kelvin is just too cool.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: mustard bath
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:43:05
EID:c4a1 219a8d60
Curtis Johnson, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
DR>> Drinking water and mustard--- what more does a person
DR>> need?!
CJ>> Bread and sardines.
ML> Beer and cigars.
CJ> Books and broads.
Bourbon and binoculars (the microscope, you pervert...)
... "Life... don't talk to me about life!" - Marvin, the paranoid android
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:46:44
EID:4c12 219a8dc0
David Worrell, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Gwenny
The Pooh
DW> On , you wrote me:
GtP> Yes, the exception being women who wear size 11 shoes and
GtP> rings,
DW> A size eleven ring? That's no ring - it's a discus with a hole cut out
DW> of it.
If it's a numbers game you want, your humble scribe here wears
a wedding band that rings in at a size 21.
Ham-finger syndrome is not pretty. Give so that more may tpye...
... "Oedipus! You old motherfucker!"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:49:32
EID:2337 219a8e20
David Worrell, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Martin
Goldberg
DW> On , you wrote me:
DW>> You shouldn't really blame yourself. Both 'bamies and
DW>> Texassans share one important trait - they're all dumb
DW>> as rocks.
DW>> It is easy to get the two confused.
MG> If you wnat a war betweent he states, I can get you some
MG> great Davy Crockett jokes.
MG> Speaking of dumb as a box of rocks and a coward as well.
DW> I see Texassans don't even know how to show proper gratitude. If it
DW> weren't for the sacrifices made by my ancestors, you silly bastards'd
DW> be speaking Spanish now.
DW> Maybe it's time for another Mexican War - this time to force 'em to
DW> take all that useless territory back.
DW> They can also have Colorado while they're at it.
And every El Chico, Chi Chi's and Monteray Grill; as well as
their punk grub.
... Abilene looks good....in my rear-view mirror!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Lying Jones Scum
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:54:47
EID:07d4 219a8ec0
Richard Smith, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
};> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to Richard Smith <:(
ML> Fredric Rice, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo),
ML> said to David Worrell
FR> Jones looks at his own dick and sees "demonic pacts."
ML> But he has to squint *really* hard.
RS> Neither you nor Fredric mentioned the magnifying glass . . .
ML> A scanning electron magnifying glass is a given.
RS> Ouch . . .
That's just me...practicing my quick shot and verbal kneecap.
... "Oh, that'll go great in his alien-hell-beast-from-space collection!"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Latest Martinez disaster
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:56:08
EID:a217 219a8f00
Richard Smith, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
};> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to ALL <:(
DC> You are nasty, very nasty. If it keeps the likes of Martinez off
DC> of the streets, you are elligible for saint hood.
CG> Nasty when aroused, yes, I have a very quick temper; handle around 400
CG> personal messages a day,
CG> I run a charity as well,
ML> And I'll wager next that he's 1.95 m tall, a black belt
ML> in karate and will soon be impressing us all with his
ML> abnormal IQ.
RS> I knew I should have invested in milk crate futures . . .
Or ear plugs and dark sunglasses.
... Ever notice how the same names crop up when creationism is around?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: FREE WILL
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:56:58
EID:c6b8 219a8f00
Richard Smith, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
};> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to Al Schroeder <:(
ML> Al Schroeder, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo),
ML> said to Marty Leipzig
AS> Um. Dan, what is the fate of the rapist in most cases in the
AS> worldview of a Christian...the eventual, eternal fate?
ML> If he repents and is really very, very sorry?
ML> Eternity with a deity of his choice.
AS> Yes. IF.
ML> Bolshoi "if", AL.
AS> But most rapists become repeat offenders, if offered the opportunity.
ML> Do you have statistics to support this claim?
RS> Asking Al for facts?
I had a major attack of the sillies. Mea bolshoi culpa.
AS> "Neither do I judge you. Go, and sin no more." You have to turn from
AS> the sin to show you are in earnest. Oh, you can fall occasionally, but
AS> rape's not one of those things that I would consider an occasional
AS> fall. It's a deliberate act of violence. It's like saying you're
AS> sorry you're a killer...and then going out and shooting someone.
AS> It puts the lie to your very words.
ML> No matter. Just repent and be very, very sorry on your
ML> death bed (gurney, chair, scaffold, whatever) and
ML> *POOF*, instant eternal enhancement with your favorite
ML> deity.
RS> Which is why Hitler himself may be in Heaven right now . . .
Nope. He's rapidly returning to primary particles somewhere over
in Europe.
... Belief, believe, believes...conjugates of the verb "to blindly accept"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Welcome to the state of TAXES.
|Date: 26 Dec 96 17:58:26
EID:b260 219a8f40
Richard Smith, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
};> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to Al Schroeder <:(
ML> Which I find somewhat curious and altogether very
ML> unusual. Might it be that we're being set up for a
ML> grand Hardyesque jape?
RS> I've considered that as well . . . or a Hardyesque/Schroeder
RS> jape . . .
Great minds think alike. I was reviewing that hypothesis
telephonically with Dr. Glodbreg the other day.
As the old geologist likes to note: "Time will tell."
... 24th Rule of Creationism: Claim Velikovsky was a genius.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 26 Dec 96 18:01:03
EID:a2bb 219a9020
Al Schroeder, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to David
Worrell
DW>> He probably has to wear diapers by this point.
ML> Depends.
DW> How did I know one of you would say that?
AS> Because you're Pampering him? Now, give him a big Huggie...
He just Luvs that.
... Do radio atheists say "Send in your money & be saved?"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Dark Bible
|Date: 26 Dec 96 18:06:56
EID:1e5d 219a90c0
J.J. Hitt, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty Leipzig
JH> On Dec 15 07:24 96, Marty Leipzig of 1:106/113 wrote:
DC>> No, they will be not real 'Jews for Jesusians'. Must have
DC>> to do with something about the 'J' at the beginning.
ML> They would have to be "Yews for Yehovah", but trees don't
ML> often tithe.
JH> But they make good Pews.
With lots of splinters.
... Solar may be bolder, but nukes do it all night.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 26 Dec 96 18:11:18
EID:5338 219a9160
Dan Ceppa, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Richard
Smith
DC> On (23 Dec 96) Richard Smith got back to Dan Ceppa...
RS> SA> Why did Jesus Christ readily go to the cross? Ahh...wait
a
RS> SA> minute....
js> Out of obedience to His Father.
RS> DC> Why did Joseph send his son to the cross?
RS> Because he was feeling a little cross that day?
DC> You nailed that one right on!
That's just what you get for hanging around all day.
... And this is your brain over-easy with a side of bacon, toast & coffee.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: All
|Sub: Something I found
|Date: 26 Dec 96 18:59:47
EID:4224 219a9760
NASH, Ogden
It is common knowledge to every schoolboy and even every Bachelor of Arts,
That all sin is divided into two parts.
One kind of sin is called a sin of commission, and that is very important,
And it is what you are doing when you are doing something you ortant,
And the other kind of sin is just the opposite and is called a sin of omission
and is equally bad in the eyes of all right-thinking people, from Billy
Sunday to Buddha,
And it consists of not having done something you shudda.
I might as well give you my opinion of these two kinds of sin as long as,
in a
way, against each we are pitting them,
And that is, don't bother your head about sins of commission because
however sinful, they must at least be fun or else you wouldn't be
committing them.
It is the sin of omission, the second kind of sin,
That lays eggs under your skin.
The way you get really painfully bitten
Is by the insurance you haven't taken out and the checks you haven't added
up
the stubs of and the appointments you haven't kept and the bills you
haven't paid and the letters you haven't written.
Also, about sins of omission there is one particularly painful lack of beauty,
Namely, it isn't as though it had been a riotous red letter day or night
every
time you neglected to do your duty;
You didn't get a wicked forbidden thrill
Every time you let a policy lapse or forgot to pay a bill;
You didn't slap the lads in the tavern on the back and loudly cry Whee,
Let's all fail to write just one more letter before we go home, and this
round of unwritten letters is on me.
No, you never get any fun
Out of the things you haven't done,
But they are the things I do not like to be amid,
Because the suitable things you didn't do give you a lot more trouble than
the unsuitable things you did.
The moral is that it is probably better not to sin at all, but if some kind
of
sin you must be pursuing,
Well, remember to do it by doing rather than by not doing.
-- "Portrait of the Artist as a Prematurely Old Man"
... "Ha-ha! It's just one big, sunny, fun-filled Bataan death march!"-Crow
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 28 Dec 96 05:14:13
EID:f878 219c29c0
Richard Smith, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Dan
Ceppa
};> Dan Ceppa wrote in a message to Richard Smith <:(
DC> On (23 Dec 96) Richard Smith got back to Dan Ceppa...
SA> Why did Jesus Christ readily go to the cross? Ahh...wait a
SA> minute....
js> Out of obedience to His Father.
DC> Why did Joseph send his son to the cross?
RS> Because he was feeling a little cross that day?
DC> You nailed that one right on!
RS> Well, just so long as you don't hammer that one home . . .
One little pun and you run it to the Hilti.
... "Beware the Tate's compass, for he who has a Tate's is lost!"
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Reading incomprehension
|Date: 28 Dec 96 05:17:18
EID:896f 219c2a20
Don Martin, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Nate Cookson
DM> Nate Cookson said "READING INCOMPREHENSION" to Don Martin, adding:
DM> Your not having much of a mind to begin with, I do not
DM> imagine that it would. However, I should like to see some
DM> evidence to back up your claims that:
DM> a. I am incapable of handling a discussion with the
DM> likes of you.
DM> b. Mr. Smith is my "second string."
DM> c. Mr. Smith is acting here on my orders.
NC>
NC> We'll to answer "B" and "C" it was obvious... Your second string
NC> was jumping in for your defense... If you can handle things
NC> on your own then why must all your friends jump in to save you
NC> from the heat? Seems if they felt you could handle the likes of
NC> me, there isn't any need to dop pile on someone who challenges your
NC> thoughts or ideas...
DM> You apparently have no idea the way a public echo works. Any
DM> time something stupid is said, anyone who feels like it may respond.
DM> The fact that more than one person here finds your effusions stupid
DM> and risible does not mean that these persons are engaged in some
DM> sort of cabal against you. You impied that I had commanded Mr. Smith
DM> to act on my behalf, and I should like to see some support for that.
DM> Actually, I should like to see some evidence that your attempts at
DM> vituperation generate any "heat" that anyone might need saving from,
DM> but I expect that that is rather beyond you.
DM> Around here, dog (or, if you will, "dop") piles will form
DM> whenever us dogs feel like it.
Actually, Don, when I first read Nate's petite rant, I thought
that when he typed "dop piles" that he may actually be a
lapadarist and having a smidge of fun via wordplay. Of course,
in continuing to read his verbal effluvia, I realize that it
was in actuality just a trifling typo and the only rocks, polished or
otherwise, with which he has contact are nestled, albeit rather loosely,
between his ears.
... An idea is not responsible for fools who believe in it.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Christians v Guns
|Date: 28 Dec 96 05:37:44
EID:f9c7 219c2ca0
Al Schroeder, bereft (missing the last plane out of Tokyo), said to Marty
Leipzig
AS> Restrictions on handguns the same way we restrict submachine guns.
ML> Looks like that caveat is lost on the Drug Cartels. Very
ML> effective, restricting Uzis and the like.
AS> But people are rarely shot by Uzis.
Not according to my, and the DEA's, statistics.
AS> They are usually hit by the
AS> "Saturday Night Special" type of gun.
Nonsense, Al. A SNS is defined as a "inexpensive, poorly
constructed revolver". Semi-autos and full autos abound more in
the hands of the criminal element than revolvers.
AS> Now, I noticed in the other
AS> posts you mentioned the Texas law, about concealed weapons, and
AS> certainly that is a different way to do it, which also might work.
Seems to have here, and in 3 or 4 other locales which have
enacted similar laws.
AS> Perhaps we should make it rather like learning to drive, which is also
AS> using a potentially deadly weapon...
That's the way it is; you must take a course and pass the
proficiency test (which, admittedly, even most carbon based
life forms with an IQ exceeding room temperature could - but it
does exclude certain more benighted individuals.)
AS> Marty, you rarely can do anything with a handgun save kill another
AS> human being.
ML> So? They make holes in paper targets and cause some hilarious
ML> physics demonstrations. The point being, most anything can (and
ML> usually is) misused. Witness computers (which can be a
ML> marvelous teaching aid) in the hands of fundies.
AS>
AS> Yes. A wonderful spreader of information...or MISinformation.
Cast a gander at the Internet and do a Web search for "God".
Simply amazing that these people can operate a computer, much
less exchange gasses autonomically without daily coaching.
AS> They are rarely helpful in hunting (please note the
AS> rarely) the way rifles are,
ML> You narrowly escaped my tale of the Russian Boar hunt in Uvalde
ML> County, Texas. We go handgunning for hogs every year.
AS> I learned my lesson with you, Marty.
That is wise.
AS> I will NEVER
Ah, ah!
AS> (oops, doing it
AS> again...rarely.) make blanket statements to you again.
That's better.
AS> After you
AS> alone were able to give me an example of a society without a belief
in
AS> the supernatural or an afterlife.
Who, BTW, are currently being given the National Geographic
treatment. They find it rather unbelievable that someone is
making such a brouhaha over them. Should be out sometime in
1998, or so I'm told.
AS> and rifles can also be used to protect the
AS> home,
ML> Pucky de cheval! Rifles and handguns are terrible home defense
ML> weapons (they, like the energizer bunny, keep going and going
ML> and going...). A short barreled 12 or 10 gauge with 000 chill
ML> buckshot followed by a rifled deer slug is the best, bar none,
ML> home defense weapon (in fact, it's an original point and click
ML> interface).
AS>
AS> Yes. My mother in law has opened a new business in rural Mississippi.
AS> She's the best shot in the county, and has a shotgun just ready for
AS> anyone who might try anything.
That's the beauty of shotguns; one doesn't need to be a crack
shot and the "ka-chunk, ca-chunk" sound of a slug being jacked
in (a most unmistakeable sound) has, in itself, a great
deterrant value.
AS> and are MORE useful, not less, than handguns if a dictatorship
AS> arose and we needed to foment a rebellion.
ML> Not true, you're comparing apples with automatics, again.
ML> Rifles are long-reach weapons, suitable for sniping, and
ML> general harassment. Handguns are for when the situation calls
ML> for some up close and personal interdiction.
AS> A soldier at war. Doesn't he use his rifle much more than his
AS> revolver?
Depends. In the infantry, a rifle has precisely zero use in
tunnels, buildings (like apartments, where snipers and the like
like to sneak) or other close-quarter situations. As buddy Bob,
the jarhead lawyer (and owner of the deer lease where I
annually harvest venison jerky on the hoof) tells me: "Your
rifle is a tool, your sidearm is your friend". After three
tours in the Nam, I tend to accept what he says about matters
military as truthful.
ML> Merely two different tools for two different jobs. Odd, I don't
ML> see people demonizing claw and ball peen hammers.
AS>
AS> I'm not demonizing it. Just suggesting a possible solution.
By casting an almost supernatural aura around the things?
Cripes, Al. They're just machines, in this case, a very
specialized machine. They don't bite, talk back or leap out of
the dark on their own accord and hunt you.
AS> The handguns are too easily concealable.
ML> So are knives, acid bottles, axe handles, ice picks, short
ML> standards, tonfas, ad infinitum. Your point?
AS>
AS> The handguns, however, have a greater range than any of them,
Acid can be slipped into the most unusual of situations. In
fact, taking it one step further, I remember a case a few years
back where some high school type swiped KNO3 from the chemistry
lab and spiked a rivals lunch (he thought it was poisonous, in
reality, it's better known as "saltpeter".) There's a
long-distance dedication for you.
AS> and
AS> require little skill to use at a distance. (Unlike knives, although
at
AS> close quarters it might not matter as much....)
True. Truth be told, I fear an idiot with a straight razor (now
seen making a comeback in local gangs) more than firearms.
AS> Last year, a kid in a wheelchair, on a dare, smuggled his mother's
AS> handgun into a school locally.
ML> Yeah, those damn kids; such scofflaws.
AS> Another kid was allowed to hold it.
AS> The kid pulled the trigger by accident. He killed a third kid.
ML> So tell me, Al. Just which of the 25,000 gun laws currently on
ML> the books would have prevented this?
AS>
AS> If easily concelable weapons were not available, the kid would have
AS> had to smuggle in a rifle in his wheelchair. Harder to do.
Or make do with something else. There is a law in Texas
(although not heavily enforced) that t