God Damned Fundies!

|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Recruiting for the CIA
|Date: 26 Jan 96 08:26:00
EID:bc3a 203a4340
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-=> Quoting Ralf Guminski to Rick Mcfarlane <=-

Good morning, Ralf.

RG> Hello Rick!  [stop]

Stop what?

RG> Got your netmail [stop]

Stop netmail?  It just barely got started!

RG> Slight delay getting mail out [stop]

If it's stopped, that's more than just a delay.

RG> Lead dog eaten by mutant beavers [stop]

That explains a lot.  BTW, isn't a "." easier to type than a "stop"?

RG> Pigeons doing weight training as backup [stop]

Muscle bound pigeons might have trouble staying airborne.  But maybe they

could run fast.

RG> Will reply soonest [stop]

Don't reply to Soonet, I'm on Age.Net.

And [stop] that, it's starting to get annoying.

RG> How's your semaphore [stop]

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RG> Later,

BTW, I figured out why my taglines weren't going anywhere.  Had to switch
editors.  Seems like BW 2.2 didn't like the old editor.  But now you'll
once more be treated to snippets from the greatest minds of history.

Take care.

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|From: John Musselwhite
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 26 Jan 96  17:58:57
EID:6650 203a8f40
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Hi Judith...

On 21 Jan 96  16:23:00, Judith Bandsma penned the following to Annette Spence

re: HEY, I'M NEW

JB> Try the Alice B. Toklas Cookbook. Now...for the $64,000 question. WHO
JB> was Alice B. Toklas?

Gertrude Stein's secretary/companion/lover.

John


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|From: Linda Whitten
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  Re: Judging Others
|Date: 25 Jan 96  14:09:55
EID:7ed2 20397120
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Katherine Wintersnight wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling
about
Judging Others

LW>As for music, I like stuff from the 60's to the 80's.  I'm not sure I
care
LW>much for the 90's stuff.  And folk music and its cousin filk.

KW> Ah, yes, filk .  There was a thread going here about Leslie Fish
a
KW> bit ago.  Have you heard the new -Avalon Rising- CD yet?

I think so.  I don't possess a CD player (let alone a CD on my computer!
sniff!!!!), but I know a friend who has the same CD in question on
tape.

Should I ever get ahead monetarily, I want to replace my current
computer with one that has all the features I want.  (Then I can invest
in CDs!!!)



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|From: Linda Whitten
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Re: Gibbering Simp
|Date: 25 Jan 96  20:35:27
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Robert Jackson wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about
Gibbering Simp

RJ> As I saw the actions of Real True Christians , I obtained
RJ> enough information to suss out the deficiency of the Christian
RJ> religion...

RJ> But then, beyond the aphoristic revelation of that, all it
RJ> took was just a little bit of logic to determine that the need
RJ> for belief and worship in any sort of deity was entirely
RJ> unnecessary. 

Aside from my previously stated reasons for following paganism, I found
it rather difficult in a religion that didn't speak clearly to me.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  07:37:00
EID:896a 203b3ca0
AS> Ever READ "The Circus of Dr. Lao"? It was made into a movie, but the

SA> It's a book, too?  Nifty.  I liked the movie, "The Seven Faces of Dr.
SA> Lao"  (with Tony Randall as Lao, of all things).

It's a SUPERB book. Oh, the movie comes close (done by the excellent
George Pal, the same producer who did the TIME MACHINE and WAR OF THE
WORLDS) on the major stuff, but there are so many fascinating little
details not mentioned. (Like mention of a previous circus that had a woman
and a donkey becoming the BEST of friends, shall we say, when the stage
fell in on them, and the mayor saying if better precautions were not made
they MIGHT have to rule out such entertainment altogether... )

AS> movie, although pretty good, could not catch the full flavor of the
AS> original. At one point this rather prudish schoolteacher went into
AS> one part of the freak show and came face to face with...Pan. Piping
AS> her inhibitions away....

SA> I remember that, from the flick.  Cripes, how long ago did that movie
SA> come out?   30 years ago?

Yeah, in the sixties.

AS> And then there was the fortuneteller who told absolutely true
AS> fortunes, and told this woman,"You will meet no one exciting. You will
AS> keep on hoping you will until you die, and you will die unmourned, and
AS> no one will ever miss you." "But what's the use of me living, then?"
AS> "I don't know. I just read fortunes, I don't determine them."
AS> Paraphrasing here. Wonderfully funny and witty, pagan in the playful
AS> Arcadian sense, highly recommended.


SA> Drat; now you've got me wanting to see the movie again; a Toronto
SA> station runs  it once in a blue moon, but I haven't seen them list it
SA> for a couple of years. I'll keep my eyeballs open for the book, though.

Do so. Highly, highly, highly recommended.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:21:00
EID:f93f 203b42a0
KW>  Well, there are a hell of a lot of men out there who
KW> wouldn't have to worry about that.  Although Bear swears to me that
as
KW> an EMT he did deal with a few stuck penises.  Golden lasso indeed!

AS> I remember seeing a bitch (as in a female dog) and her lover trying
AS> to extracate themselves in front of the student center in college, to
AS> the amusement and  ribald comments of all. Of course, it was also in
AS> front of the cafeteria, and put a few off their feed.

SA> Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) for the canidae, it's a natural
SA> and routine occurrence.  When the male ejaculates, the head of his 
SA> penis expands to such an extent that the pair becomes "tied" - and 
SA> there isn't much they can do about it for about half an hour.  It may

SA> help with pair-bonding, especially amongst canid species that are more
SA> or less monogamous.  However, it leaves the pair open to attack by 
SA> natural enemies, jealous conspecifics, and disgusted humans with 
SA> hoses.    The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of

SA> dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able

SA> to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's

SA> too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.

Hmmm. If that were a REGULAR occurance with human beings, I wonder how
that would change romantic comedies, soap operas, etc. "Omigosh! It's my
husband!" "But...but...I can't pull out!" Then you would have a sort of
x-rated "I Love Lucy" sequece where the two lovers try to get around,
still joined, and hide away from the jealous spouse. Hmmm.
Well, if nothing else, it would keep the male from rolling away and
falling asleep immediately afterwards, anyway.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   JOHN PREWETT
|Sub:  LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  09:25:00
EID:433f 203b4b20
AS> antisemetic paranoia, and although I like John Prewitt more than
AS> Grigor-Scott, I make no secret that
AS> I think his anti-Catholicism is bigotry .......

JP> And I know that your inability to see [or admit seeing]

JP> the significance of a con-artist in Rome claiming to lead

JP> and RULE Jesus's Church 

JP> [claim taken seriously by millions for centuries]

JP> shows your extreme spiritual retardation or corruption,... 

Fortunately, neither you and I can judge each other, John. Jesus does.

JP> but it's not my job to judge which problem you have. 

It's called "loving my neighbor". You know, as applied by the Good
Samaritan, even though Jesus made it clear that salvation was through the
JEWS, not the Samaritians?

AS>  ...... and his JFK-is-Antichrist idea is laughable. 

JP> Demonstrating your pathetic blindness regarding God's Revelation,

JP> which you share with avowed heathens,....

JP> like most puffed up [with hot air] liberal "christians." 

If JFK had been the Antichrist, he would have used the Button and started
an atomic war that put us all in the Stone Age, all the better to rule us
with. Q.E.D.


JP> [Your not agreeing about JFK is completely understandable,
JP> but if you knew much about and believed the Revelation,
JP> then you would be wise enough to know the JFK prediction
JP> is not really "laughable."

Ludicrously unlikely? The phrase, "deceive the very elect" mean anything
to you? Now, if someone SAINTED Kennedy, maybe you might have a case.


JP> It's  "laughable" only to people who are retarded re the Revelation.

I will simply wait upon the times, thanks. And be always watchful. As
recommended in the Scriptures. I think the end of the world, when it
comes, WILL come in a form totally unlooked for, yet consistent with the
predictions...just as the Jews were too busy looking for the
priest-king-David they were expecting to recognize Jesus for what He was.


JP> IOW- to heathens and modern liberal "christians." 


JP> You're presently  on about the same level as a scripturally
JP> literate  Jew of Jesus's generation who contended that Jesus's
JP> claim of fulfilling the "Messiah" prophetic description was
JP> "laughable."  

Possibly, very possibly. But we will have to see what happens, won't we?


JP> The Vatican obviously uniquely fulfills God's Revelation
JP> description of the "Great Whore,",  but that fulfillment is
JP> invisible to man-pleasing modern protestants.  

Well, quite frankly, I think the Roman Empire and Roman Emperors are
closer to the reality there. But you should have gotten my post by now
about it. And please, I've been happily married for fifteen years. I am
a
WOMAN-pleasing modern protestant.

JP> Just like Jesus's fulfillment was invisible to status quo loving 
JP> Israelites of that generation. 

Could be. Or perhaps even more, it may be someone NEW, just as John the
Baptist fulfilled the prophesized role of Elijah?


JP> Re.Lynda-  Maria Russell never launched any personal slanders
JP> to deserve the following from Lynda to heathens ]

JP> Subject: Just a thought    Date: 12/15/95 18:12:58  [Re Maria Russell]
LB> Richard and Maria were killing time yakking about Just a thought:
RM> Why is it always an act of God when something bad happens but just
RM> luck when something good happens. (don't answer, it's just a thought.)
MR> A very good thought...I wonder if anyone seriously will ponder it?
MR> (don't answer, it's just a thought)

LB> Maria, have you seriously pondered anything of more importance than
LB> what shade of nailpolish will match your outfit in recent years?

They certainly don't get along. And I think that is mainly because Lynda
sees in Maria's attitudes the SAME sort of attitude that got her BEATEN
and RAPED by her ex. If she takes it more personally than we do...well,
maybe she has a reason to.


JP> ------------------------  SNIP --------------------------

JP> Subject: imploring/Promise Keeper   To: Lynda Bustilloz From: Fredric
JP> Rice  Date: 1/16/96 14:25:00 [re  Maria Russell] KW>   Your
JP> husband employees you? S.Rose> More likely he IMPLORES Maria to get
a
JP> life. 
MR> As an obedient wife I would have to listen.
MR> So obviously those words have never crossed his lips.

LB> Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LB> Maria admits she has no life!!

Read above again.
1. Maria's husband hypothetically implores Maria to get a life.
2. As an obedient wife she has to listen, in her view, and so, those words
have never crossed her husband's lips...indicating that she does not have
a life. (Because if those words had crossed her husband's lips, she would
have a life.)
3. Lynda points out the obvious.
It's Maria's own words which imply what Lynda pointed out.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ROB BURCHAM
|Sub:  LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  09:26:00
EID:1a3c 203b4b40
AS>    Lynda and yourself just got over a long period of sniping at each
other,
AS>  and I was SO glad to see it stop...I don't want it to start all over
AS>  again. I think Dick shows some real promise in some areas, and it would
be
AS>  interesting to have a professional minister here. Perhaps we could
give
AS>  him more of a chance, okay?
AS>    Now I've probably isolated myself from BOTH camps, and everyone hates
my
AS>  guts. But I felt it had to be said.

RB> No, the heathens respect you more (but you're getting dangerously
RB> close to Lynda's 'sucking up' classification). 

So what else is new? THe worst thing is, with the Fidonet problems, I
don't think Micheal ever saw this....




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ROB BURCHAM
|Sub:  PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:10:00
EID:57e9 203b7940
AS>  Makes sense. And it's the only echo I know of where you can really
TALK
AS>  to a theist, rather than an echo for atheists only, or for theists
only.

RB> As much as I enjoy the writings of some of the non-theists
RB> here, it's the mix of opinions that makes it entertaining.
RB> If it was ONLY atheists, I probably wouldn't have stayed
RB> here and if it was ONLY theists, I probably wouldn't have
RB> showed up. 

There's a SPIRITUALITY echo which combines many types of faith without
rancor---Christianity, Buddhist, Wiccan, whatever...but not really for
anyone not interested in spiritual matters.

AS>  So theists can be sometimes verbal punching bags for what you have
been
AS>  thinking for years--? That actually makes  a lot of sense.

RB> Let's say that you think your boss of 20 years is a 
RB> deluded bag of hot air.  But having no desire for the
RB> unemployment line or for cleaning toilets, you keep it
RB> to yourself.  Then, you find a way to tell him exactly
RB> what you think, without repercussions.  ...Something
RB> like that.              

Yeah. But you know, the theists/fundies ought to get together and charge
you guys for primal therapy or something...




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub:  RE: SPONG ON THE CREEDS 2
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:31:00
EID:903a 203b7be0
HP>> And women love a hero.  Often literally enough to lead to
HP>> reproduction. Anyone familiar with the way natural selection works
HP>> (which would seem to let Al off the hook) should be able to figure
out
HP>> an obvious connection.  :-)

AS> You think all women are carbon copies of Lois Lane?

HP> Nope.  Do you?

No. As Lynda agrees with me. But with your statement...
HP>> And women love a hero.  Often literally enough to lead to
...you make me wonder. Reproductive strategy includes getting a partner
who will be there to help protect and to nurture the kids. Heroes run the
risk of getting killed. Hence, it is counter to natural selection. It's
not a fun feeling to see someone go out every morning and wonder if they
will come back the next day. There are baby booms during wars, since they
are not sure if the majority of men are coming back. But the noncombatants
who stay have a high reproduction rate too, and more chance of coming back
and HELPING with the kids.

AS> but yet you don't see hordes of groupies around a police station or
AS> firehouse.

HP> Can you think of something a bit more irrelevant to add?

You cannot get the obvious connection? Odd; Lynda did. Policemen and
firemen are called on to act more heroicly than the average computer
programmer, auto salesman, billionaire, or rock musician. The number of
women lining up to have the babies of millionaires or rock musicians far
exceed those lining up to be the mates and have babies of policemen and
firemen.

HP> Oh, I see you did:

AS> Nor do I notice that policemen or firemen have substantially lower
AS> divorce rates than other men...

Think it through, Hector. It will come to you. Eventually.


HP> ROFL!  Al, don't you understand the term "reproduction" as it applies
HP> to the theory of evolution?  Have you completely forgotten the topic
HP> again? 

Not at all. Again, to LYNDA I didn't have to explain it twice. Or are you
asserting that policemen and firemen or any other you would like to
consider "heroes" have more children by more women than other men? (Or
firewomen and policewomen have more children by more men?) As opposed to
say, rock stars, movie stars, billionaires, etc.?
If you don't like the implications of YOUR OWN STATEMENT, don't shoot
the messenger.



... Never give them hell.  Tell the truth and they'll *think* it's hell.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub:  STAAL SHOWS HIS COLORS
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:34:00
EID:39fb 203b7c40
SQ>> Bite me!   I'm already working on him with Silver Xpress, but
SQ>> Fred's not an OLR type of guy.
AS>  HUH???? He answers these ON-LINE? Or am I misunderstanding you?

SQ> Fred reads his messages directly from his message base, using FM,
SQ> Front Door's internal editor.  Much like I'm using GoldED right now
to
SQ> do the same thing. :) What I've suggested to Fred is that he install
a
SQ> copy of the Silver Xpress R1 ("RBBS") model door, which will work with
SQ> ANY *.MSG system, and then he can use his favourite offline reader to
SQ> read the mail packets he generates.  Might be of help when he goes to
SQ> India, as all he'd need to do is call his board, download a packet,
SQ> and read his mail from his laptop while he's planning the overthrow
of
SQ> the government in Tibet. :) 

Makes sense. And that would give him something to do while he and Richard
Gere are putting that nice Dalai Lama person back in power...




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   LARRY SITES
|Sub:  TAKING A BREAK
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:45:00
EID:ce7d 203b7da0
LS> I'm taking a break from the Smoke. It has become clear to me that
LS> most  christians are so deluded that they will never abandon their
LS> false  superstition. I have researched christianities origins and
LS> history enough  to conclude that it is the product of men not gods,
LS> just as all religions  are. I am tired of putting the effort into
LS> researching specific issues and  posting the references to check them
LS> out only to have people like Hardy  come back saying that the
LS> encyclopedias and his slanted references don't  confirm that Eusebius
LS> was a liar. Imagine that! I can no longer bare  ignorant fools that
LS> claim we must just "except" that god can spin the  universe at
LS> hyperlight speed. I am sick of religious hypocrites defend  THEIR lying
LS> and stealing in one message while preaching about the supposed  sins
of
LS> others in the next. I find people who want to brainwash kids into 
LS> superstitious zombies disgusting child molesters. I am appalled that
LS> people  are more upset at having the word "cunt" used to describe a
LS> female  religious slave than they are at said slave contesting for the
LS> divine  righteousness of her aptly described station in life.

LS> My bbs system operator may be quitting anyway, so this seems like a
LS> good  time to archive all the religious debunking info from my hard
LS> drive for  some possible future retrieval and find something new to
do
LS> with my time  and computer. Now is the chance to get in any uncontested
LS> parting shots as  I may or may not check back so if you got anything
to
LS> say, get it off your  chest. (grin)

That means you never saw the answers I sent you to the last six or seven
parter you sent us. Too bad, I was hoping to REALLY spark a blaze with
you....go your own way, Larry. It's been a pleasure talking to you, and
you were one of the more interesting and intelligent debaters on the
nontheist (or at least antiChristian) side, and though sometimes the
rhetoric was a bit much, I never, EVER caught you in a outright
falsification or lie. Some of your sources I thought were a tad biased and
incomplete (and no doubt you thought the same about mine) but I never
disputed your intellectual honesty or your critical mind. It's been a
pleasure to post with you, and doubtless we will meet each other again in
one echo or newsgroup or another.



... Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ASMODEUS
|Sub:  RE: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:57:00
EID:3884 203b7f20
As> It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or
As> beneficial  results.  Coersion of a gambler who does nothing but lose
As> his ass and make his  family suffer, to cause him to refrain from his
As> habit, or getting a  down-in-the-dumps person to look at their positive
As> qualities instead of their  negative ones, or anything like this will
As> bring great results.  I rarely  attempt to manipulate others
As> negatively.  My work is more 95% positive/5%  negative.  I maniupulate
As> those I care for much more than those I despise, for  the simple fact
As> that not many people cause me to despise them.    

Doesn't sound like Anton LeVay. Sounds like Dr. Strange. By the Crimson
Bands of Cytorrak! By the Hosts of Hoggoth!

As> It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser who has no
As> friends,  who goes 'round hating everyone.  This isn't so.  I give and
As> receive far more  love than hate. And everyone seems to like me, except
As> for the general populace  who make up these echo's unfortunately. I
As> believe myself to be in the minority  as far as magickal practise goes.
As> It seems like the majority uses magick for  more negative means than
As> positive, expressing great maniacal glee as everyone  suffers around
As> them, but I am above such childishness.

Oooohhhh, TELL us about all these evil magicians out there, won't you?
Can't wait, oh master of the mystic arts.

As> To finally answer your question. Yes I believe it to be generally
As> harmful, but  from others, not from me.  I refuse to let that barrel
of
As> bad apples spoil the  great bunch which can be created if one just
As> picks through it to find them.  

Any of your numerous enemies...Baron Mordo, Dormammu, that crowd...cast
a
spell on you to reduce your IQ?



... I can levitate birds, but nobody cares.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE ROSE
|Sub:  AL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:05:00
EID:b579 203b80a0
JB> Seriously. I've got an approx. 400 message packet here, and NOT ONE
JB> message from Al Schroeder. Something must have happened.

SR> Imagine that!  Perhaps prayer DOES work sometime, after all! :)

You've been praying?
Actually, I'm touched at all the concern...Kevin McKenzie even called my
wife's web page. However, if you disappeared, do you think as many people
would ask about it?



... love your enemy ... it will drive him nuts
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub:  AL SCHRODINGER AND HIS PU
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:06:00
EID:cad4 203b80c0
AS>  I sure did. I dialed it, and stared...all my passwords fall in a certain
AS>  pattern, and for the life of me I couldn't remember where it fell in
the
AS>  pattern.

SQ> Netmail on the way.

Thanks. Actually, I MAINLY wanted to see if your board was getting my
messages, which it obviously is.

AS> ... Not allowed?  My dear fellow, I'm allowed everywhere. - Doctor Who

SQ> Are you aware that Paul McGann is now the eighth Doctor?

No. Is that the up and coming thing that Speilberg proposed, or is this
a
currently running series in England?




... Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   JOHN PREWETT
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:08:00
EID:2c7a 203b8100
AS> Agreed. I don't want to sound like John Prewitt,.......

JP> Not to worry. You'd need a direct miracle 
JP> of enlightenment from God for that to happen.

Well, I'm certain God could do a lot of enlightening to BOTH of us...

JP> I'm impressed when occasionally you manage 
JP> merely to sound like a genuine Christian. 

Ahhh, but whether you think I am a "genuine Christian" is irrelevant. The
point is whether JESUS thinks so.

AS>  and certainly I have nothing against individual Catholics 
AS> or the Roman Catholic Church as a whole,

JP> Never mind they tell the world that the ruler of Jesus's people

JP> is a  man in Rome called the pope. 

If I disagree with them on that (and I do) it does not affect my opinion
on their willingness to work for Christ's goals. If I think some of their
takes on God's word are mistaken, I'm sure they think the same of mine.
That does not detract from the sincerity of EITHER of us. If they think
the Pope is, like Peter, entrusted with the working of God's church (under
God) quite frankly, they do have some HISTORICAL justification for
such--Peter passing on his trust to someone else, etc. (And some
historical falsification, also.) Just like I have nothing against you
personally, though I think you are sadly mistaken in your anti-Catholic,
anti-JFK bias.

JP> IF YOU CARED ABOUT TRUTH,  THAT WOULD MATTER. 

I do; but I care enough to know that YOU don't have a lock on it either;
that for every prediction and slander you make against the Catholics, that
Catholic scholars have made SIMILAR predictions against the PROTESTANTS,
calling Martin Luther OBVIOUSLY the anti-Christ (and who led more away
from what they view the Church than Martin Luther---which is exactly what
the predictions said about the anti-Christ? No, I do not believe Martin
Luther was the anti-Christ---but many felt HE fit the bill when he lived
much more than JFK does.)

JP> Never mind they OPENLY mass-murdered Jesus's family for
JP> centuries. [while claiming to uniquely and directly represent
JP> Jesus] 

Do you mean His literal family, the descendents of His brothers and
sisters, or his spiritual family, the Christians? Or those you would
regard as REAL Christians?

JP> Which thanks to ass kissing protestants like you, 

JP> many heathens think was done by followers of CHRIST,

JP> which slanders the name of CHRIST. 

Lt. Calley thought he was following American principles when he ordered
the massacre in My Lai. So did the goverment officials who ordered the
Cherokee on the Trail of Tears. Do I think they were poor examples of
Americans? Do I think they greivously misunderstood American idealism and
principles? Yes I do. Do I DENY them being AMERICANS? No. I don't.
Perhaps you see the difference?
I find it VERY amusing that you are getting on to Lynda for
"slandering" Christians when you yourself are doing so to the LARGEST
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO AVOW TO FOLLOW CHRIST IN THE WORLD!!! Get the
two-by-four out of your eye, HYPOCRITE, before you talk about the speck
in ours.
And that is VERY Biblical, John. Just ask Jesus.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE ROSE
|Sub:  HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:10:00
EID:3cbe 203b8140
SR> So instead we only get prepared speeches?  How very protective you 
SR> are of your fantasy worlds. 

AS>  I'm sure the Bishop who debated Huxley about Darwin thought the
AS> same thing  about evolution, and their "fantasy worlds" of
AS> dinosaurs and such. 

SR> 'Fantasy worlds of dinosaurs'...huh.
SR> Thanks for showing everybody on this echo just how deep you can bury
SR> your head into the sand, fundy Al. 

Remarkable. You totally missed the point. Cerebral inertia.
Steve, you have a positive GENUIS for misreading me.
Let's try this again. I put the quotes around "fantasy worlds"--your
words, see above--to indicate I do NOT believe they are such. I was
comparing YOU to the Bishop who would not listen to Darwin's (and his
apologist, Huxley's) evidence for evolution. I was comparing MYSELF to
Huxley.
Since it seems you have trouble with basic concepts, let me put it more
simply.
I STRONGLY believe in the theory of evolution; I have no doubt that
evolution happened. Because the EVIDENCE all points that way, and I can
enumerate them quite well, thank you, and as well as anyone this side of
Liepzig, Goldberg, or perhaps Sue Armstrong. You see, I DO look at
evidence. I don't fluff it under the table like YOU do. You call any
reasoned possible evidence for God long explanations without refuting the
points made (and trust me, I haven't posted a lot to you, yet, I could do
a lot more) but instead make a childish demand that I show you my
"myth-gawd". I make what I think is a reasonable comment--that you
yourself believe in many things that you cannot show me, like living
dinosaurs, or the Big Bang. (Both of which I STRONGLY believe in. Perhaps
you didn't know the one who thought up the Big Bang theory was a Roman
Catholic priest?)
I do not think the evidence for a Creator is CONCLUSIVE, but I DO think
it is persuasive, and I would be happy to go over it with you. But if you
have neither the intellectual capacity or the emotional maturity to do so,
that's your look out. Many have listened and not been impressed, but they
DID think about it. Leipzig, Goldberg, even Hector for all his ROFL!ing
took the time to think about what I said and try to refute it. As have
Ceppa and Worrell and many others that I respect.
But if your intellectual contribution is, "show me your myth-gawds,
already!" then don't complain if I treat you as an emotional and
intellectual ten-year-old. That's how you're acting.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   J.J. HITT
|Sub:  RE: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:12:00
EID:3d11 203b8180
As> And what shit might that be?  What great devices would I require to
As> send an  assault on such a weakling as yourself? One who is so unsecure
As> in his  masculinity, and who has such low self-esteem, that he goes
As> about attempting  to be strong, via words, in a forum where he believes
As> what he says will cause  him no harm.  You and all the losers who do
As> this shit are such a disgrace to  the human populace, you should all
be
As> taken out and put on a display, yeah,  like Spartacus and his followers
As> were. But I doubt if we have enough roads to  put you all up beside
As> them.   

I didn't know Don Ward had a Satanist brother....

As> Anyway, I have a question for you. Since I am such a nice guy, what
As> would you  like to receive? This way, when it comes your way, you will
As> say, "well, golly  gee whiz, he was tellin the truth the whole time".
I
As> can either phuck you up  real good, or if you make a clear apology,
As> posted to all, I will forgive you.  I am not wussing-out, so to speak,
As> merely offering you a way to avoid your  imminent suffering. I
As> seriously would dislike having to hear of your  suffering, when you
As> have not angered me in the least. Unlike the fools like  you seem to

Geez, whatchagottagothrough to get a good curse slapped on you these
days...all these modern Satanists are too kind-hearted. Why, in MY day,
Satanists weren't wimps!!!


As> be, I do not let mere words that come across my screen to offend  me,
As> but i still answer back with much apparent anger, for the simple fact
As> I do  not usually take shit idly, and words are not truly harmful, for
As> anyone who  has matured.   

If he would grow some pubic hair, he might know...

As>
As> So, I leave you with a decision, actually a couple. Apologize to me,
As> in a  letter to all, and also send me a message addressed to myself
As> that you did,  because I hardly have enough time to read all of the
As> messages here, in fact I  haven't read any for several days, since the
As> last time you got a response from  me.  I was suprised to see 12
As> messages to me from here when i got on the board  today, i'll probably
As> not even read them all. Anyway, do that, or tell me what  you would
As> like. I can send out a great negativity which could cause random 
As> results, but I do not wish to cause you excruciating harm, merely to
As> show you  what I could do, if that is what you wish. So, tell me what
As> your desire is,  and I'll give it to you. 

Ye gads. I've NEVER seen such stalling.
If this joker doesn't get an entire PAGE on the FAQ next time out, there's
no justice. I know you won't mind going through a little pain in the cause
of truth, would you, JJ? (Not that I'm really WORRIED about the
possibility, mind you...)



... Against stupidity, the Gods themselves, contend in vain !
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub:  LARRY SITES
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:13:00
EID:4a1c 203b81a0
LB> That said (and basically agreed with), I could have done without Larry
LB> referencing female genitalia in his commentary -- it seems a bit of
an
LB> insult to a perfectly good part of a woman's anatomy.  I don't think
LB> I'll ever understand the male fascination with body parts as insult
LB> tools -- especially one they try to hard to gain access to. (G)

I've never quite understood that either. (And quite frankly, Larry JUST
saying that was beneath his usual levels of debate.) Female genitalia are
a GOAL, not an insult.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub:  RE: MESSIAH GATE 5
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:17:00
EID:2e9d 203b8220
AS> James was referred to as an eyewitness by Paul.

HP> Who was not himself an eyewitness.  Nor did James write anything about
HP> what he may or may not have witnessed.  We know he existed, and know
HP> he was an xtian.  That's about it.  Tsk, tsk.

We also know that Paul talked to James. Don't you think it would be odd
if
Paul didn't know a LITTLE more about James than what ONE letter gives us?
On the other hand, we do know what he thought about the resurrection of
the dead in general, as I mentioned in the other post about the "will
receive the crown of life" in James 1:12 indicates eternal life in the
Greek, considering the future tense of the verb.

HP> BTW, I was talking the other day with a family (grandmother,
HP> grandfather, two grown daughters and a grown cousin, a grandson) all
HP> of whom have "witnessed" a ghost and were more than willing to talk
HP> about it.  I didn't believe them, either -- no evidence.

Good. And did they witness it all together or seperately?



... Reality has limits; stupidity has none. - N. Bonaparte
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  NOAH'S IMPOSSIBLE ARK 1
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:22:00
EID:6a38 203b82c0
AS> Silly Rabbit--Tricks are for Gods!--Loki, Hermes, Coyote, Raven....

SA> That's tagline material if I ever saw it .

It's the least I could do, considering how many taglines I stole from THIS
echo...



... "I wonder who they could mean," said Loki innocently....  
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  OPINION POLL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:38:19
EID:e2d2 203b7cc0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4729
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Jackson!

Thursday January 18 1996 02:13, Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh:

RJ>> enemies in battle.  They flipped a coin with the Scottish, who
RJ>> lost on the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.

GtP>> The Scots won.

RJ>         Of course, painting yourself blue and running stark naked
RJ>         at your enemy helps.   Imagine what would've happened
RJ>         if bagpipes could fire rockets as well!

I wonder if Q has heard about this one?{g}
Ves thu heil und Gut Jul,
Glen Todd

Bring back the snakes -- Ireland was better off Pagan!

... I am Elmyra of Borg:  We will hug you and squeeze you and love you!
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:41:06
EID:85a5 203b7d20
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a47e1
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, J.J. Hitt!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard J.J. Hitt
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO:

JJH>>> If it wasn't for their appeal to teenagers, all three of the above
JJH>>> belief systems would dry up and blow away overnight.

GtP>> You need to research more.

JJH>  Uh huh...

GtP>> In our community we have a pretty good population of "elders"....ie,
GtP>> retired folks who have been practicing witchcraft for several
GtP>> generations.

JJH>  And you have demographic evidence to support this claim?
JJH>  I need it for my "research".

Demographic evidence, hel!   A good many of them are personal friends.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... I thank my lucky stars I'm not superstitious.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:43:08
EID:f326 203b7d60
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a48a2
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Ryan Shaw!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Ryan Shaw
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about FOF:

SQ>> 3D, Rise of the Triad, and Doom.  Yet I have several co-workers who
SQ>> tell me that there's a sex shop in every German airport in which
SQ>> they've landed.

Yep.

GtP>> But back to the sex shops....why do you find this a problem?

RS> I don't think it's a problem at all.  I lived in Germany for a combined
RS> total of two years, one of them spent going to school there after I
got out
RS> of the hell one refers to as high school.  There were a lot of sex shops
RS> and the like but I found the atmosphere in Europe much more comforting
than
RS> here, at least in regards to sex.  Americans are prudes.

No argument here -- at least for the ones who have nothing better to do
with their lives than try to ruin everybody else's fun.

RS> ...anyhow, I think Steve was pointing out the hypocrisy in having sex
RS> shops on every corner and then turning around and banning a video
RS> game.

No more hypocritical than peddling violence and banning sex -- and less
destructive.
Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -- Heinlein
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:52:03
EID:b9d4 203b7e80
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4d42
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Steve Quarrella!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Steve Quarrella
whisper furtively to Gwenny The Pooh something about FOF:

SQ> This is my problem with the German government wanting to keep sex out
of
SQ> the hands of others by pressuring an information service, when all you
have
SQ> to do is walk down to the local sex shop and see in real life what you
SQ> could pull down from one of the erotic binaries groups.  Does this make
ANY
SQ> sense?

It does -- IF what we see happening isn't what's really happening, or at
least not the entire story.   German sex shops aren't available to people
in the US, but Compu$erve is.   Let's just suppose (purely for the sake
of discussion) that some RRR type IN THE U.S. (possibly working for C$,
possibly not) wanted to block availibility of these newsgroups in the U.S.
What better than to take some large chunks of the 'love offering' cash that
such types always have laying around, and use it to 'convince' some German
politicos with negotiable ethics that in order to 'protect the morals' of
the German people (and never mind the sex shops and the red light districts)
that the _German_ government needs to issue a ban that will then give said
RRR types a convenient (and conveniently remote) scapegoat for their de
facto banning of 'un-Christian' material in the U.S.

I'm not saying that this is what _IS_ happening, but it does make interesting
food for though, particularly since the stories coming out of both the German
government and the Compu$erve bureaucracy seem to be so changeable.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... 1010011010...the binary of the beast.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Gods, not god
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:06:51
EID:0357 203b80c0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4dcf
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31033838
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Jackson!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Robert Jackson
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about Gods, not god:

GtP>> !!!!  NO!  How horrible.  Well, at least doing ritual doesn't hurt

RJ>         Just said to make a point.  I only reserved the torture for
RJ>         animals that stood a good chance of fighting back. 

Like fundies.{vbeg}

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Just give me the coffee and no one gets hurt.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  OPINION POLL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:10:15
EID:9750 203b8140
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4e95
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org da8f91f2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Katherine Wintersnight!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Katherine
Wintersnight whisper furtively to Gwenny The Pooh something about OPINION
POLL:

KW> @AREA:HOLYSMOKE
KW> @MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org da8f91f2
KW>  * Forwarded from area 'HOLYSMOKE'

GTP>RJ>> The Chinese used rockets to scare the hell out of their
GTP>RJ>> enemies        in battle.  They flipped a coin with the Scottish,
GTP>RJ>> who lost on        the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.

GTP>> The Scots won.

KW>   Bagpipes are the ultimate weapon for apartment stereo wars.

{evil chortle}   Works great.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Sorry about that, Chief.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Berndt
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:14:21
EID:8a54 203b81c0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4f91
REPLY: 1:280/26 3717662b
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Berndt!

Monday January 22 1996 20:24, Robert Berndt wrote to Gwenny The Pooh:

GTP>> Remember -- Rome was Christian when it fell.
RB> And America was Christian when it rose.

Your proof for this -- assuming it ever did?

Ves thu heil und Gut Jul,
Glen Todd

Bring back the snakes -- Ireland was better off Pagan!

... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  ARK nut
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:17:27
EID:79a7 203b8220
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a5165
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Steve Wallis!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Steve Wallis
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about ARK nut:

GtP>> No blindfolds since I stopped being blinded by Christianity.

SW> In the Bible it talks about two blindmen who recieved there sight from
SW> Jesus Christ. They cried out to Jesus saying "Lord, Son of David, have
SW> mercy on us!" Jesus stopped and called them, "What do you want me to
do
SW> for you?" He asked. 'Lord,' they answered, 'we want to recieve our sight.'
SW> Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they
SW> recieved their sight and followed him.

SW> I'll pray for ya Gweenie that the Lord will touch your eyes so that
you
SW> may see. Godbless!

He's way too late -- as usual.   Somebody already did, and now she walks
the path that was meant for her, rather than the one the psuedo-religious
powermongers tried to force on her with their lies, distortions, and emotional
blackmail.   I'm sorry for you that you weren't so fortunate.    Save your
prayers for yourself; you're obviously far more in need of them than she
is.

SW> ... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.

For as many are led by the spirits of grain, they are alcoholics.   Ta.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Play the FL Lotto! Just don't tell me the Odds!
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  ONE LAST COMMENT      01/
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:40:19
EID:920d 203b7d00
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 310aad82
Hi Preston...

On 21 Jan 96  15:40:42, Preston Simpson penned the following to Katherine
Wintersnight 
re: ONE LAST COMMENT      01/

KW> somebody out there might be eating or drinking.  Sufficient to say I
KW> have no desire to be buried.

PS> Me neither. It's a dead body, for cripe's sake. Why bother with
PS> putting it in the ground?

'Cause if you leave it outside it attracts wild animals.  B-})

John


... "Heaven for Climate; Hell for company" (Mark Twain)
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.21
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:01:52
EID:d080 203b4020
MSGID: 1:207/212 888e20ed
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de2
SW> Opinions vary, Let me ask you this then; What would it take to get you
SW> to believe? If the only way your gonna believe is through "scientific
SW> evidence" (so called anyway), then you have let the devil cheat you
out
SW> of your right to salvation.


The way I will believe is if I get pregnant. Nothing more, nothing less.


... Avoid cliches like the plague -- They're a dime a dozen

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  ?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:09:59
EID:4fdd 203b4120
MSGID: 1:207/212 5f7d4941
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de5
On (25 Jan 96) Steve Wallis wrote to Preston Simpson...

SW> My knowledge comes from the Word of God. I am not required to prove
SW> anything to you. You have a mind and the ability to choose and believe
SW> what you will. You can take God at His Word, or you can go in circles
SW> looking for answers somewhere else. Its your choice Preston.

1. How do you know it is the word of God? I don't take a third party's
word that someone said something. Hearsay evidence at best.

2. How do you know the humans who wrote it down, decided what to include
and what not to include, and translated it over and over again didn't
change it to the point that it was nearly unrecognizable? I've had
people misquote me and misunderstand what I said even when using the
precise words I did. Worse than hearsay evidence here.

Provide INDEPENDENT evidence [in other words nothing from the Bible]
that the Bible is God's word.

SW> The difference is, your the only one holding the gun to your head. God
SW> gave us the way out of this mess, when Jesus Christ died for us. God

SW> loves us and doesnt want anyone to perish. The lake of fire was only
meant
SW> for the devil and his angels-not for man. God gave us the way out, but
SW> we must do our part to recieve the gift that God gave us.

If God didn't want us to perish, if he were omnipotent he would simply
have arranged it. I'm capable of forgiving people without human
sacrifice, aren't you?

SW> God choose to send His Son to this world to pay the price for our
SW> sinfullness. But, we must excercise our freewill and choose whether
SW> or
SW> not we accept the gift that God gave us or not. It boils down to our
SW> choice.  

Gift? More like blackmail.


... If it WALKS out of your refrigerator, LET IT GO!!

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Sue Armstrong
|Sub:  HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:45:43
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SA> hoses.    The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of

SA> dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able

SA> to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's

SA> too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.

Except by spaying her immediately.


... Beware of people that put numbers after their names.

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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  flood
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:15:34
EID:691c 203ba1e0
MSGID: 1:207/212 6cbece6d
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 31080179
On (23 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Dan Ceppa...

AM>  Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me newspapers and
AM> video.
AM>  You could simply swear it happened. But how do I know your not just
AM> making
AM>  it up. Or the newspapers are just lying and the video was doctored.

Let's see... Yesterday.

I have written evidence that yesterday I taught kindergarten at a
particular school. I have the timecard signed by the person. My husband
could verify having to come pick me up.

I have 70 or more witnesses that I taught there, from children to
adults.

My note to the teacher would still be on his desk.

The messages I posted could be independently verified.


... The early worm has a death wish.

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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:18:28
EID:58b9 203ba240
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On (24 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell...

AM>         No, there excluded because scientists don't believe the
AM> possibility
AM>  of supernatural agencies to be sceince. Which is a subjective value
AM>  judgement. I have a funny idea, why don't you tell me what you think
AM>  about the big ticket items like; why we are here, who or what caused
the
AM>  big bang? what does it all mean? Then I'll ask what evidence you have
to
AM>  support your point of view.


Supernatural agencies are NOT science because science requires things
that can be verified or disproven.

If I THINK something about one of those "big ticket items" as an
individual, I have no real need for evidence. My personal beliefs are
not subject to scientific scrutiny. Neither are yours. You are free to
believe God made the earth in 6 days. But you have to stop short of
calling that a scientific theory, just as I don't call my personal
beliefs regarding those "big ticket items" scientific. I personally
integrate the scientific evidence [all overwhelmingly in favor of
evolution] with experience to develop my opinions.

DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
AM>    No, abortionists do.

Children are *born*.


... SIGN AT NUDIST COLONY - "Clothed for the winter months"

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Alan Jennings
|Sub:  ULC
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:52:00
EID:a6cc 203b5680
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abff9
And Brave Sir Alan ran away, screaming "ULC"!


AJ> The Archdiocese of Cyberspace ULC can also handle this for you. The
AJ> requested donation is the same. We also issue certificates of
AJ> Sainthood in the Church of Elvis. 

Yeh. I got mine from the C of E.

AJ> The Archdiocese is at 5065 Florida Blvd. Baton Rouge LA 70896.

AJ> The address of the ULC Headquarters is 601 3rd Street in Modesto.

Doh!  It _must_ have been late when I was typing that.  Not only 
did I misread the street name, but I remember mistyping "modesto" 
three times - and apparently, still wound up with a typo.  Bleah.

--Wolfie



To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etcetera."
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  So -shoot- me!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:55:01
EID:7062 203b56e0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffa
And Brave Sir Steve ran away, screaming "So -shoot- me!"!

MH> cheaper]. I've seen people gunned down, and I've been in one too many
MH> viotile situations [thankfully, the latter without guns], even where
I
MH> live now. Hm, must have something to do with the proximity to Detroit.

SQ> I used to be amazed at how I could walk around Windsor at 1 AM on
SQ> Saturday and not be accosted (I used to go a place called {if memory
SQ> serves} Sorrento's, over in the Italian part of town, and Cadillac
SQ> Jack's was a favourite until they went "Tex-Mex".).  Do that in
SQ> Detroit and you're asking for trouble. 

You'll likely hear the same thing from Mark, but here goes ..

It's changing.  For the worse.  The Ouellette and Elliot area has 
gotten really popular the past couple of years, and shows no sign 
of abatement.  I'm not sure how much of the geography of downtown 
Windsor you might remember, but if you recall the area where a bar 
that's gone through several names is (Elliot's on the Avenue, 
Rumours, Dirty Rascals, and now Joker's - it was once a furniture 
store back in the 70s, and once had a pool hall upstairs) .. well, 
there are now 6 other bars on the same block.  Bentley's (formerly 
Pit Martin's); Bernie's World (formerly the Vanity theatre, then 
Roxy's); Woody's Outhouse (formerly a fur store - well, that's an 
improvement, at least.); Howl at the Moon (formerly Peachy's, and 
much classier and quieter); The Electric Fish (soon to be opened), 
and now a new bar of some sorts is opening up next to Joker's, 
where Mother's restaurant used to be. Then, behind the library, 
you've got The Penalty Box (they do have great food, at least) and 
Don Cherry's, next to the Y.  That doesn't count any of the places 
on the river side of Wyandotte.

What all this means is that, at 1 am on Saturday now, you have a 
mass of humanity (which SHOULD be a GOOD thing, so far as the 
local economy is concerned) which is, for the most part, quite 
rowdy and drunk.  Last year, we even had a stabbing outside of 
Joker's - the assailant was a bouncer there (I remember him - a 
real Hitler-youth looking type of guy.)  Where I used to live, 
next to the library, you used to be able to see and hear all sorts 
of fights and stuff - in fact, when the stabbing occurred, I 
ignored it - just put it down to the regular sort of idiot-noise 
out on the street.  And, when I walk just ONE block to Mark's 
house in the late evening sometimes (to catch a late movie on 
cable or whatnot), I notice I start to get treated the same way I 
am in Toronto ("Oh, look.  Single female .. must be a hooker!") by 
slimeballs who wander around looking for trouble.  I don't blame 
the bars per se - in fact, it's about time SOMETHING started 
opening up around here, rather than shutting down - it's just the 
attitude of their patrons that's the problem.  It wouldn't be so 
bad if so many of them didn't act like complete idiots, either 
because they've had a drink or two, or are under the impression 
that Canadian law can't touch them, anyway - the majority of the 
barhoppers seem to be from the suburbs of Detroit (though in the 
stabbing incident, both people involved were locals.)

I know, I know.  That's nothing - at least folks aren't shooting 
each other left and right (yet).  I'm just glad that Customs seems 
to be more or less on the ball about checking for guns, and I'm 
glad we DO have strict gun laws to prevent that sort of thing.  
We've had lots of deaths this year, but they all seem to be due to 
traffic accidents.  It's not so much a violent crime problem (yet) 
as it is simply a disturbance of the peace problem.  And it isn't 
so much just a problem for folks who happen to live downtown - 
after all, I see downtowns as primarily commercial districts, 
anyway .. it's just that the more disruptive elements make it 
unpleasant for other people trying to enjoy themselves in a 
quieter manner, going to the show or eating out or whatnot, and it 
seems to discourage store owners from staying open later, even 
though many people would probably like to shop downtown on a nice 
summer night after they're done with the casino or whatnot.

The bars are fine.  I don't particularly like such places, but 
that's me.  I just wish folks would have a little more sense when 
it comes to "having a good time."

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... The race is over. The rats won.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:35:02
EID:977f 203b5c60
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffb
And Brave Sir Preston ran away, screaming "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."!

AS> Too true. But my boss is too in awe of my ability to pull down Kathy
AS> Ireland .gifs from local bulletin boards. I showed him how to pkzip
AS> and pkunzip things the other day, and it was slacked-mouth wonder.

PS> Computer illiterate people amaze me. It isn't nearly as difficult as
PS> it looks to learn how to run one of the things.

Heh.  I was proud of myself yesterday .. I finally found soemthing 
that can sort of multitask on this doddering old machine.  I was a 
little iffy about the thing, since you have to allocate memory 
usage for each "instance" of DOS yourself.  Wasn't sure if I'd 
crash anything or not by fiddling about with it. :)  I've been a 
bit gun-shy, as it were, since the fiasco with trying a DOS 6.0 
upgrade and Stacker. (Lost everything in that little adventure.) 
Anyway, I managed to get it set up so that it works, and, woo-hoo! 
I can switch between two programmes at once now!

(Windows? What the hell is Windows?) :)

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "I think Data's painting is making me dizzy."  -- Worf
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  ARK nut
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:53:03
EID:45a6 203b5ea0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffc
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "ARK nut"!

DD> Even I can see fossils all over the earth wherever I am. There
DD> is no doubt but that the world was covered by water.

DC> No you can't.  There are many areas that do not have a single 
DC> fossil in them, expect for you, as you go to the sites, of 
DC> course.  

I'll say.  The only fossils we have around here are the folks in 
the nursing homes.  Otherwise, the oldest stuff in the ground are
pre-Columbian Indian artifacts.  Thanks to the glaciers, there 
isn't anything dating from before about 10,000 years ago - except 
for the salt deposits, which apparently date back 600 million 
years or so, if I rember right.  I don't think they've managed to 
find any fossils from that time, though.  It'd be great if they 
did, and might even prompt the city to decide on building a 
natural history museum (the city was bequeathed a million dollars 
or so, to be used for erected a museum of some sort, years ago. 
They've never been able to decide what sort of museum we should 
have, and the intrest has accumulated quite handsomely. My vote's 
on a natural history type place, with plenty of paleontological 
displays.)

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... If it rained palaces, I'd get hit with the dunny door.
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Ignorance and immaturity continues
|Date: 27 Jan 96  18:46:04
EID:21bf 203b95c0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffd
And Brave Sir Robert ran away, screaming "Ignorance and immaturity continues"!

kb> Actually, as I am strait, I decline your offensive suggestion.

FR>   That's what Jim Bakker always said -- until he was caught
FR> with his dick up the ass of his body guard.   

RJ> Well, I guess the guy had at least three inches of
^^^^^
RJ> Bakker's body well guarded.

That's an odd way of spelling "most", isn't it?

--Wolfie


To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "It goes on and on and we get ripped off just the same .." - Redgum
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Don Martin
|Sub:  Rheum to Grow in
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:16:05
EID:a4bf 203b9a00
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 94d8dd35
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 3107d5e8
On (25 Jan 96) Don Martin wrote to Judith Bandsma...

DM> Judith Bandsma said "Gibbering Simp" to Marilyn Burge, and added:

MB> correct.  And, as for the word "rheum," that is a common Latin

JB> Rheum is also an eye affliction, characterized by a milky look to the
JB> eye and a whitish discharge. That's what makes the 2 parts of Don's
JB> signature line hang together.

DM>     Yea Team! I knew I couldn't fool the carney. (Fundies
DM> are different.)


DM> Later, you say to Marilyn:

MB> You DID have the same thing happen to you!  It was our VISA card

JB> Cancelling AOL is worse than trying to cancel one of those book clubs.
JB> I think I know 3 people who DIDN'T have problems with them.

DM>     I am calling their 800 number from time to time, and
DM> sending in every "No postage necessary if mailed in the
DM> U.S." cards of theirs I find in magazines. Small things, to
DM> be sure, but I am determined that the money they sucked out
DM> of my bank account shall profit them not at all.

If you run accross any advertisements that have postage-paid
envelopes connected to 'em, those are even more efficient.
Regardless of what you fill them with, the postage is paid
on the other end, and there is no way to trace their point
of origin.



... "Theological" is not.

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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  ABORTION
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:07:10
EID:cfb1 203ba8e0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 b3741bfe
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31092567
On (26 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh...

RJ>  GtP> get away from the rat race for a day or so during her period.

RJ> My  GtP> daughters and my cycles are starting to match, so the day
RJ> might come

RJ>         I've heard women who live in close quarters will tend to do
RJ>         that.  Sorta shoots down the supposed benefits of a harem,
RJ>         doesn't it?  Imagine Solomon--keeping 700 wives and concubines
RJ>         who ALL start to get bitchy at the same time.  I think it
RJ>         *would* take the wisdom of...uhh, who was that wiseguy?...uh,
RJ>         yeah, that one--to keep a cool head while being vibed out by
RJ>         a few hundred ineffably angry women.

I don't hold much truck with the notion that women living together
gradually fall into the same menstral cycle.  If it were true,
prisons would have to hire a U-Haul once a month to take care of
the discarded sanitary napkins, and it just doens't seem to happen
that way.  

I think that what does happen is that no two women have exactly
the same cycle -- they vary from 25 days to probably 35, and then
there are those who aren't all that regular to boot.  If you've
ever seen those thingies on biorhythms, you know that when you have
several things that are cyclical, but none of them on the same cycle,
the cycles tend to "meet" at some point, only to gradually depart
for a given length of time.  People being what they are, I imagine
some dipshit who doesn't have a visceral understanding of mathematics
would seize the moment when the cycles were "together" as absolute
proof that the cycles had joined because of the physical proximity
of the people involved.


... Make coffee from freeze-dried fundies!

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|From: Matt Miller
|To:   Ricky Dearing
|Sub:  Matt
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:20:14
EID:7308 203bb280
MSGID: 1:116/17.0 310af97e
Ricky were the hek is exitlus. This sucks its gone I'm going to complain
to the sysop call me now!!!!!!!6Z


--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Matt Miller
|To:   Melvin Burlison
|Sub:  where is exitlus?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:21:38
EID:ce2e 203bb2a0
MSGID: 1:116/17.0 310af9d2
Hey man I was enjoying exitlus now where is it !!!!^Z


--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KEVIN AURE
|Sub:  Conference Guidelines
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:45:00
EID:c1bd 203bbda0
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6cd
TID: GE 1.2
-> Hey, hey. Watch out what Christians you make fun of.  Some others
-> might get  offended.


Kevin


You weren't really quoting me, so I don't know what to tell you.


Les

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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub:  hey, i'm new
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:48:34
EID:04fe 203bbe00
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6ce
TID: GE 1.2
-> Don't you think that it is a wee bit hypocritical of you to criticise
-> another's 'christianity' when your theft is blazoned across the
-> world?


Katherine


I have no idea what you're talking about.


Les

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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub:  hey, i'm new
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:52:37
EID:04fe 203bbe80
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6cf
TID: GE 1.2
-> * OLXWin 1.00a * BANISH THE DEMON JEHOVAH!



Katherine


According to one study the term "Jehovah" is considered a term with
no origins.

Les

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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  The Ultimate Shit List
|Date: 28 Jan 96  02:24:32
EID:e84d 203c1300
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10b03474
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31081695
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
DW> 24 Jan 96 03:28, J.J. Hitt wrote to Zayd Allebban:

->>> I finally get a fundy in my net, and wouldn't you know it
->>> turns out to be a Muslim.

Hey...they are the worst kind!  Always sticking their ass up in their gawd's
face and such.  Hmmmmmm.  Come to think of it...not that bad, after all!

ZA>> I don't know what a "fundy" is, but I hope it's nothing bad.

JH>  Oh.. I'm afraid it does mean "something bad".


... URA fundy if the only weddings you attend are at the end of a shotgun.

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|From: Zach Doyle
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  What the hell
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:19:32
EID:60c0 203bba60
MSGID: 1:153/455.0 310b2384
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31091f6b
CH> "Sounds like he was the smart one. Wha'd you follow that act with? 
I
CH> don't know. I wasn't there. There ain't a story that donesn't hve two
CH> sides to it. Either way, the fact that he is her ex, makes him the
CH> smart one..." - Jim Staal

JS> Actually the obvious implication (implication, heck; I came right out
JS> and said it) that he was the smart one for being her ex.

What the fuck give you the right to tell people that violence is an intellegent
matter?? What do you mean beating Gwenny was smart!!
You are a hypocritical, dishonerable fuck! Ever read your fairy tale book??
You know the part about rules!!, Damn you Jim Staal I hope you get stuck
with yourself after you die, an atheist you, I'd call that religious justice!!


--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  SPEAR IN SIDE
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:17:12
EID:89cc 203b5220
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 63f6fab8
On (25 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Marilyn Burge...

-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Judith Bandsma <=-

MB> Then, he lay in the grave all day Saturday, which is day-two.  Then,
MB> he wasn't resurrected until after sundown on Saturday (Sunday a.m.),
MB> which makes the third day.

JB> Still doesn't wash. He was supposed to have been IN THE GRAVE for 3
JB> days. (I suppose they figure that on the amount of time it would have
JB> taken a corpse to really start stinking.) The EARLIEST I can make it
JB> is sundown on Monday. And if the women went to the tomb in the
JB> morning, then it can't be until Tuesday.

The resurrection story says nothing about Jesus stinking.  You're
thinking of the story of Lazarus, who purportedly had been dead
long enough to stink when Jesus brough him back to life.


... Love is blind - marriage is the eye-opener.

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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  Abortion
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:00:07
EID:d1fe 203b5800
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 1f801496
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 611d86d2
On (25 Jan 96) Martin Goldberg wrote to Steve Wallis...

MG>  SW>>  Well, one would speculate the calculations of the ark to be
MG>  SW>> about 3  football fields long and 3 levels high.
MG>  GtP>> That MIGHT hold the food animals.
SW> Well, it held the food and the animals.

MG> Do you not get it, fundy?  There is physically, not enough space to
MG> store food and animals ont he ark described int he bible.

I sort of warmed up to the fund who came cruising through here
telling us that Noah made use of all that effluent to grow food
in the hull of the vessel so all the animals could eat without
ingesting each other.

Whatever happened to that fundy, anyway?   He reminded me that
there are a handful of fundies out there that still have a
synapse that'll snap now and then, even if it's a misfire.


... Life is a sexually transmitted disease.

--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Christian Jobs
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:26:17
EID:082e 203b5b40
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 8331a4df
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 891111F5
On (26 Jan 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Marilyn Burge...

-> On 01-24-96  21:08, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa

-> On 01-21-96  19:35, Michael Hardy got back to Lynda Bustilloz

DC> No, Michael, it's still the same. As long as the neo-Nazi
DC> does not use his working time time to promote his brand of
DC> thought,

MB> My question is, how would the prospective employer know that
MB> the applicant was a neo-Nazi, unless he asked inappropriate
MB> questions?

DC> At that point, the employer is completely out of line. It it
DC> the employers job to verify the suitablility of the applicant
DC> based on questions relating to the job. (see below)

That was my point: it's illegal for the employer to ask such a
question, so there is no legal way (s)he'd even know. . . .

MB> clients or customers, I would think, whether the tatoo was a
MB> swaztika or Shirley Temple wouldn't matter in the least.

DC> Unfortunately, that "information" is willfuly given by the
DC> applicant. And, further, such display may endanger the
DC> owner's business. If that can be shown to be true, the owner
DC> should not be forced to allow such of a display.

That, too was my point: unless the applicant said or did something
that "gave away" the information, there is no legal way for the
employer to find out.

DC> That is why I limited my argument to the "unseen" and the
DC> "unspoken".

I know.

... Yeah, but what's the speed of DARK?

--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Why
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:01
EID:707d 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd0
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-

-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-

GtP> I was a Christian.  I believed that God would save me if I just had
GtP> faith long enough.  When I reached the lowest point in my life (and
it
GtP> was pretty low, considering that I had already survived an abusive
GtP> stepfather and husband), it was at the hands of Christians.  My good
GtP> Christian ex-fiance, after abadoning me, came back and kidnapped our
GtP> daughter.  That was when I realized there wasn't really a god and I
GtP> needed to be responsible for myself. 
SW> 
SW> You cant blame God for the actions of some bozo who claimed to be a
SW> Christian.  What happened to you was unfortunate but it wasnt God's
SW> fualt for it. While we are in this world, evil is all around.
MH> 
MH> Christianity is a belief, nothing more. If you think it's 
SW> 
SW> In your opinion Mark, buthow would you know if it were anything more
SW> if  you never bothered to take the time to find out?
SW> 
MH> In my 'opinion'? A religion, by -definition-, is a system of 
MH> belief; a code of ethics; or a philosophy of life. Now, seeing how I

MH> have my own moral code, why do I need to bow down to a whiny little

MH> religion like yours? I've -seen- your religion; I've seen plenty of

MH> others, too. I have the capability to judge for myself ... and, oh 
MH> this is a tough one ... I think I'll pass, Steve-o. Call me insane,

MH> but I'm not about to render my moral code to your, or anyone else's

MH> subjugation. I'm funny that way; I care about who I am. I also care

MH> about my freedom of thought. Your philosophy is a little too stuffy

MH> and imposing for my tastes.
SW> 
SW> Well Mark, all I have to say on this is that you have your reward in
SW> full then. Enjoy your rewards.

That of free thought, will, and a life to live the way *I* see 
fit? Oh, I will; I will. I will enjoy it immensely. In fact, I am as I 
write this.

MH> anything more, you're not only sadly mistaken but deluded as well. 
SW> 
SW> Again, I would have to say that wisdom is justified by her children.
MH> 
MH> Babbling again. Don't you ever learn? Think for yourself!
SW> 
SW> I do think for myself Mark. I have a freewill guy, and can make
SW> rational decisions. Most people can...

So why do you constantly quote a book of lies and fiction when it
has no bearing on the discussion? I inform you that you're wrong,
regarding your definition of religion, and you say something silly from
the babble. I reiterate: Think for yourself!

MH> She was perfectly right in taking responsibility for herself. She
MH> should have been doing that from the start; I applaud her
MH> bravery. In your reply, you imply that one shouldn't take
MH> responsibility for their actions. You disputed her doing so,
MH> after all ...
SW>
SW> Where did you get that crock from eh? Did I imply something like
SW> Mark? No, I did not. We all have to take responsibility for our actions
SW> Mark. You, me and the rest of this world. We will all reap what we sow.
MH> 
MH> Did you imply something like that? Oh, yes; you did, in fact. I 
MH> also love how you specifically didn't quote it [what you said in reply
MH> to her message] back in. You're a sly one, Steve. Not too bright, but

MH> you are underhanded. A word of advice: watch what you say in a literal
MH> sense.
SW> 
SW> First thing, I did not imply what you stated guy. You are the one
SW> trying to misconscrew things. If you still have the message post it
SW> back up and well go over it again if your analitical metabolism can
SW> handle such a  feat. But even if you dont, I really dont care.

Yes, you did. As per literal meaning, you said she shouldn't take 
responsibility for herself. That you can't see it makes it all the 
more funny.

MH> so many words, and I am, of course, mincing words, but only to 
MH> show you how silly you are. Case and point: There are no gods, 
MH> only systems of belief.
SW> 
SW> You will have your day in court to dispute it Mark,(if you keep going
SW> the  way you are). It says in the Bible that we all must give an
SW> account to  God one day for our actions on earth.
MH> 
MH> Sticks and stones, Steve. And, seeing as how I'm a law-abiding 
MH> citizen, I'm afraid nothing I've done will come to trial. Gosh, 
MH> doesn't that just leave a bitter taste in your mouth? I don't believe

MH> in your silly outlook on life, so I must be condemned. So much for 
MH> your belief in individuality, huh, Steve? But how you're going to get

MH> me to burn in a hell that doesn't exist is a wonder to me.
SW> 
SW> Your under the deluded and deceptive thought that I want to condemn
SW> you  Mark. You are wrong guy. I dont want you to perish any more than
I
SW> would my family and friends. But believe what you will, after all-I
SW> wouldnt want you to think I was infringeing on your freedoms...

Steve, you said, and it's quoted above: "You have your reward in 
full. Enjoy your reward." Are you going to deny that you were 
condemning me? ROFL! You make me sick.

MH> It's true; I don't hate Christianity because of you. It makes my 
MH> bile rise because of, not just you, but all the others that are like

MH> you, and your spawned fundamentalism.
SW> 
SW> And you shouldnt. Christianity is not against you Mark. Your under the
SW> impression that its you against Christians. And that my friend is a
SW> crock. I preach whats written in the Word of God. If that gets your
SW> bile to rise, thats your own fualt for choosen to react that way. Do
SW> you feel threatened by Christianity? It would seem that way to me from
SW> the way you write. You  tell me.

I feel threatened by any group or organization that brainwashes 
their followers, and seem to believe it their position in the world to 
cripple everyone else's judgement, and impair their free-will. 
Catholicism/Christianity agencies do this.

SW> Sound to me like youve never really had a Christian family of
SW> believer's who were there for you. If you would, Id ask that you find
SW> yourself a cool Christian Church with a dynamite group of believers
SW> and whatch the way you would be acepted and befriended. It would amaze
SW> you.  
MH> 
MH> Goat, are you ignorant. Oh, she had a good group of 
MH> Christians alright. They 'loved' her so much, and bruised her with 
MH> so much 'wisdom,' that she left them; that place; and their 
MH> religion. You Christians really know how to party!
SW> 
SW> Well, I cant really interject much becuase I dont know the facts in
SW> this situation, but again-why judge the crop by a few bad apples? The
MH> 
MH> So, Steve ... how come you don't know all the facts of this 
MH> particular situtation, so you refuse to 'interject,' but still somehow
MH> think it's just 'a few bad apples.' This is rich! ROFL!
SW> 
SW> Becuase I am not God. I dont know every single detail of her life. In

So, why'd you make a hypocrite of yourself, and presume you knew 
what she was talking about, thus writing your 'interjection'? 

SW> order  to know more, she obviously would have to tell me. I do not know
SW> any Christian's who beat their wives/girlfriends. I am totally against

Wrong. You do now.

SW> violence towards woman. Woman are to be treated with dignity and
SW> respect out of love. The Bible is about love, not hate. If her husband

Did you know they advocate rape in the bible? Explain to me how 
'loving' and 'rape' are the same thing?

SW> was a true Christian, he  wouldnt have treated her the way he did. God
SW> will judge him in the end. Its in God's hands. 

But, Steve-o, you said that you have oh-so much free will. 
Gwenny's ex-husband should, too. If the two of you do, how come he 
couldn't/wouldn't treat her that way if he believed in Goat?

SW> You have a distorted look on Christianity Mark. I hope one day you
SW> will come to a knowledge of the truth. 

Oh, but Steve, I do know the truth. This is why I despise your 
religion/philosophy of life. I know the truth; I don't believe your 
pack of lies.


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  FOF update
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:02
EID:07c7 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd1
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-

SW> Wisdom is justified by her children Mark. 
MH> 
MH> Is that all you can do; babble? You're not understanding. I'm 
MH> beginning to think it's because you're willfully ignorant, Steve. Wise
MH> up, already.
SW> 
SW> Think what you will Mark, your opinion's dont mean a cent to me. 

It's not simply an opinion; it's a fact, Steve.

MH> lamenting upon. Focus of the Family isn't just providing 
MH> information on AOL, they're influencing it, and trying to 
MH> 'cleanse' it, to their satisfication and nobody else's. Let's say 
MH> they decide to do-away with laughing, virtually. "God wouldn't 
MH> approve," they say. Well, you're on your first offense. A couple 
MH> more, and you're gone. It's not a silly example, as they're 
MH> already banning what is, in only their opinion, malediction. If 
MH> they don't like what you say, they'll take action. It sounds 
MH> ridiculous, but hey. They are.
SW> 
SW> Well, if it's their online service or AOL supports focus on the
SW> family, then Focus on the family has the right to mediate what they
SW> feel is appropriate material and to censor what they deem as not. It
SW> is a comercial business Mark, not a democracey. 
MH> 
MH> You're wholly missing the point. FOF is redundant. People are 
MH> supposed to mediate their -own- fields of what they find tolerable,

MH> and what they don't. If you lack that judgement, I don't see why you

MH> should be permitted to live, nevermind reap enjoyment out of 
MH> privileges.
SW> 
SW> Your missing the point-They own it Mark, They can do what they will
SW> with   it. If you dont like it-dont subscribe Mark-Frankly, I really
SW> dont care. 

They -own- it? That's funny, I thought AOL owned AOL. Gee. And, 
wait, in the above quoted text, you say AOL ***supports*** FOF. It 
doens't sound like FOF owns -anything-, hitler-boy.

MH> "But, whoops. Steve says it's so. He -must- be right, no matter 
MH> how wrong he is. I guess I just don't have a choice; after all, this

MH> is North America -- a dictatorship. We don't have an opinion here, 
MH> right Steve?"
SW> 
SW> You have the choice to subscribe to it-and you have the choice not to.
SW> Be happy Mark, you have a freewill! You are able to enjoy what you
SW> will, and the right to do as you please. 

Oh, but Steve, read the following very carefully:

SW> Larry, you really do play the part of a fool well. If your so against
SW> Focus on the Family, then why do you call them and waist there time
SW> ordering  books from them? 
SW> 
SW> You actually cancelled your AOL membership becuase they are for Focus
SW> on the Family!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Wake up Larry! No matter what
SW> online service you call your gonna find information and people who dont
SW> share your exact same views in life. Being a man of an analitical
SW> mindset, you really  outdid yourself this time. 

It's funny, but you say we have the right to do what we want, but 
you imply Larry's 'stupid' for cancelling his subscription to an 
oppressive provider. Hm. Sounds like you're a HYPOCRITE!

MH> For one thing, AOL isn't at all worth subscribing to in the 
MH> first place. Second, they've severely crippled themselves, in what 
MH> they allow to pass through their net-flood gates. Third, they have 
MH> this silly organization that wants to enforce control over others' 
MH> free thought and will, through written-censorship.
SW> 
SW> It might not be worth subscribing for you but other's opinions may
SW> vary. If they want to censar what they deem immoral material, they have
SW> the right to do so. They have tons of subscribers and what might prove
SW> tolerable to  one might be offensive to another. One cant please
SW> everyone in life and there trying the best they can to clean up OAL
and
SW> make it into something family's can enjoy. That is there right if they
SW> choose to do so and I  support them on that.
MH> 
MH> You're a fool. We're individuals -- I don't want my individuality
MH> taken/stripped away, just because some pompous fool thinks they own

MH> the right to deem what they think is too explicit for me. I'm an 
SW> 
SW> Have you been modeming for so long that your computer is such an
SW> intrical  part of your life t