God Damned Fundies!

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11 Years of HolySmoke


|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Recruiting for the CIA
|Date: 26 Jan 96 08:26:00
EID:bc3a 203a4340
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MSGID: 1:222/10@Fidonet 109820a3
-=> Quoting Ralf Guminski to Rick Mcfarlane <=-

Good morning, Ralf.

RG> Hello Rick!  [stop]

Stop what?

RG> Got your netmail [stop]

Stop netmail?  It just barely got started!

RG> Slight delay getting mail out [stop]

If it's stopped, that's more than just a delay.

RG> Lead dog eaten by mutant beavers [stop]

That explains a lot.  BTW, isn't a "." easier to type than a "stop"?

RG> Pigeons doing weight training as backup [stop]

Muscle bound pigeons might have trouble staying airborne.  But maybe they

could run fast.

RG> Will reply soonest [stop]

Don't reply to Soonet, I'm on Age.Net.

And [stop] that, it's starting to get annoying.

RG> How's your semaphore [stop]

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RG> Later,

BTW, I figured out why my taglines weren't going anywhere.  Had to switch
editors.  Seems like BW 2.2 didn't like the old editor.  But now you'll
once more be treated to snippets from the greatest minds of history.

Take care.

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|From: John Musselwhite
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 26 Jan 96  17:58:57
EID:6650 203a8f40
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Hi Judith...

On 21 Jan 96  16:23:00, Judith Bandsma penned the following to Annette Spence

re: HEY, I'M NEW

JB> Try the Alice B. Toklas Cookbook. Now...for the $64,000 question. WHO
JB> was Alice B. Toklas?

Gertrude Stein's secretary/companion/lover.

John


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|From: Linda Whitten
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  Re: Judging Others
|Date: 25 Jan 96  14:09:55
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Katherine Wintersnight wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling
about
Judging Others

LW>As for music, I like stuff from the 60's to the 80's.  I'm not sure I
care
LW>much for the 90's stuff.  And folk music and its cousin filk.

KW> Ah, yes, filk .  There was a thread going here about Leslie Fish
a
KW> bit ago.  Have you heard the new -Avalon Rising- CD yet?

I think so.  I don't possess a CD player (let alone a CD on my computer!
sniff!!!!), but I know a friend who has the same CD in question on
tape.

Should I ever get ahead monetarily, I want to replace my current
computer with one that has all the features I want.  (Then I can invest
in CDs!!!)



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|From: Linda Whitten
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Re: Gibbering Simp
|Date: 25 Jan 96  20:35:27
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Robert Jackson wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about
Gibbering Simp

RJ> As I saw the actions of Real True Christians , I obtained
RJ> enough information to suss out the deficiency of the Christian
RJ> religion...

RJ> But then, beyond the aphoristic revelation of that, all it
RJ> took was just a little bit of logic to determine that the need
RJ> for belief and worship in any sort of deity was entirely
RJ> unnecessary. 

Aside from my previously stated reasons for following paganism, I found
it rather difficult in a religion that didn't speak clearly to me.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  07:37:00
EID:896a 203b3ca0
AS> Ever READ "The Circus of Dr. Lao"? It was made into a movie, but the

SA> It's a book, too?  Nifty.  I liked the movie, "The Seven Faces of Dr.
SA> Lao"  (with Tony Randall as Lao, of all things).

It's a SUPERB book. Oh, the movie comes close (done by the excellent
George Pal, the same producer who did the TIME MACHINE and WAR OF THE
WORLDS) on the major stuff, but there are so many fascinating little
details not mentioned. (Like mention of a previous circus that had a woman
and a donkey becoming the BEST of friends, shall we say, when the stage
fell in on them, and the mayor saying if better precautions were not made
they MIGHT have to rule out such entertainment altogether... )

AS> movie, although pretty good, could not catch the full flavor of the
AS> original. At one point this rather prudish schoolteacher went into
AS> one part of the freak show and came face to face with...Pan. Piping
AS> her inhibitions away....

SA> I remember that, from the flick.  Cripes, how long ago did that movie
SA> come out?   30 years ago?

Yeah, in the sixties.

AS> And then there was the fortuneteller who told absolutely true
AS> fortunes, and told this woman,"You will meet no one exciting. You will
AS> keep on hoping you will until you die, and you will die unmourned, and
AS> no one will ever miss you." "But what's the use of me living, then?"
AS> "I don't know. I just read fortunes, I don't determine them."
AS> Paraphrasing here. Wonderfully funny and witty, pagan in the playful
AS> Arcadian sense, highly recommended.


SA> Drat; now you've got me wanting to see the movie again; a Toronto
SA> station runs  it once in a blue moon, but I haven't seen them list it
SA> for a couple of years. I'll keep my eyeballs open for the book, though.

Do so. Highly, highly, highly recommended.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:21:00
EID:f93f 203b42a0
KW>  Well, there are a hell of a lot of men out there who
KW> wouldn't have to worry about that.  Although Bear swears to me that
as
KW> an EMT he did deal with a few stuck penises.  Golden lasso indeed!

AS> I remember seeing a bitch (as in a female dog) and her lover trying
AS> to extracate themselves in front of the student center in college, to
AS> the amusement and  ribald comments of all. Of course, it was also in
AS> front of the cafeteria, and put a few off their feed.

SA> Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) for the canidae, it's a natural
SA> and routine occurrence.  When the male ejaculates, the head of his 
SA> penis expands to such an extent that the pair becomes "tied" - and 
SA> there isn't much they can do about it for about half an hour.  It may

SA> help with pair-bonding, especially amongst canid species that are more
SA> or less monogamous.  However, it leaves the pair open to attack by 
SA> natural enemies, jealous conspecifics, and disgusted humans with 
SA> hoses.    The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of

SA> dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able

SA> to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's

SA> too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.

Hmmm. If that were a REGULAR occurance with human beings, I wonder how
that would change romantic comedies, soap operas, etc. "Omigosh! It's my
husband!" "But...but...I can't pull out!" Then you would have a sort of
x-rated "I Love Lucy" sequece where the two lovers try to get around,
still joined, and hide away from the jealous spouse. Hmmm.
Well, if nothing else, it would keep the male from rolling away and
falling asleep immediately afterwards, anyway.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   JOHN PREWETT
|Sub:  LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  09:25:00
EID:433f 203b4b20
AS> antisemetic paranoia, and although I like John Prewitt more than
AS> Grigor-Scott, I make no secret that
AS> I think his anti-Catholicism is bigotry .......

JP> And I know that your inability to see [or admit seeing]

JP> the significance of a con-artist in Rome claiming to lead

JP> and RULE Jesus's Church 

JP> [claim taken seriously by millions for centuries]

JP> shows your extreme spiritual retardation or corruption,... 

Fortunately, neither you and I can judge each other, John. Jesus does.

JP> but it's not my job to judge which problem you have. 

It's called "loving my neighbor". You know, as applied by the Good
Samaritan, even though Jesus made it clear that salvation was through the
JEWS, not the Samaritians?

AS>  ...... and his JFK-is-Antichrist idea is laughable. 

JP> Demonstrating your pathetic blindness regarding God's Revelation,

JP> which you share with avowed heathens,....

JP> like most puffed up [with hot air] liberal "christians." 

If JFK had been the Antichrist, he would have used the Button and started
an atomic war that put us all in the Stone Age, all the better to rule us
with. Q.E.D.


JP> [Your not agreeing about JFK is completely understandable,
JP> but if you knew much about and believed the Revelation,
JP> then you would be wise enough to know the JFK prediction
JP> is not really "laughable."

Ludicrously unlikely? The phrase, "deceive the very elect" mean anything
to you? Now, if someone SAINTED Kennedy, maybe you might have a case.


JP> It's  "laughable" only to people who are retarded re the Revelation.

I will simply wait upon the times, thanks. And be always watchful. As
recommended in the Scriptures. I think the end of the world, when it
comes, WILL come in a form totally unlooked for, yet consistent with the
predictions...just as the Jews were too busy looking for the
priest-king-David they were expecting to recognize Jesus for what He was.


JP> IOW- to heathens and modern liberal "christians." 


JP> You're presently  on about the same level as a scripturally
JP> literate  Jew of Jesus's generation who contended that Jesus's
JP> claim of fulfilling the "Messiah" prophetic description was
JP> "laughable."  

Possibly, very possibly. But we will have to see what happens, won't we?


JP> The Vatican obviously uniquely fulfills God's Revelation
JP> description of the "Great Whore,",  but that fulfillment is
JP> invisible to man-pleasing modern protestants.  

Well, quite frankly, I think the Roman Empire and Roman Emperors are
closer to the reality there. But you should have gotten my post by now
about it. And please, I've been happily married for fifteen years. I am
a
WOMAN-pleasing modern protestant.

JP> Just like Jesus's fulfillment was invisible to status quo loving 
JP> Israelites of that generation. 

Could be. Or perhaps even more, it may be someone NEW, just as John the
Baptist fulfilled the prophesized role of Elijah?


JP> Re.Lynda-  Maria Russell never launched any personal slanders
JP> to deserve the following from Lynda to heathens ]

JP> Subject: Just a thought    Date: 12/15/95 18:12:58  [Re Maria Russell]
LB> Richard and Maria were killing time yakking about Just a thought:
RM> Why is it always an act of God when something bad happens but just
RM> luck when something good happens. (don't answer, it's just a thought.)
MR> A very good thought...I wonder if anyone seriously will ponder it?
MR> (don't answer, it's just a thought)

LB> Maria, have you seriously pondered anything of more importance than
LB> what shade of nailpolish will match your outfit in recent years?

They certainly don't get along. And I think that is mainly because Lynda
sees in Maria's attitudes the SAME sort of attitude that got her BEATEN
and RAPED by her ex. If she takes it more personally than we do...well,
maybe she has a reason to.


JP> ------------------------  SNIP --------------------------

JP> Subject: imploring/Promise Keeper   To: Lynda Bustilloz From: Fredric
JP> Rice  Date: 1/16/96 14:25:00 [re  Maria Russell] KW>   Your
JP> husband employees you? S.Rose> More likely he IMPLORES Maria to get
a
JP> life. 
MR> As an obedient wife I would have to listen.
MR> So obviously those words have never crossed his lips.

LB> Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LB> Maria admits she has no life!!

Read above again.
1. Maria's husband hypothetically implores Maria to get a life.
2. As an obedient wife she has to listen, in her view, and so, those words
have never crossed her husband's lips...indicating that she does not have
a life. (Because if those words had crossed her husband's lips, she would
have a life.)
3. Lynda points out the obvious.
It's Maria's own words which imply what Lynda pointed out.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ROB BURCHAM
|Sub:  LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  09:26:00
EID:1a3c 203b4b40
AS>    Lynda and yourself just got over a long period of sniping at each
other,
AS>  and I was SO glad to see it stop...I don't want it to start all over
AS>  again. I think Dick shows some real promise in some areas, and it would
be
AS>  interesting to have a professional minister here. Perhaps we could
give
AS>  him more of a chance, okay?
AS>    Now I've probably isolated myself from BOTH camps, and everyone hates
my
AS>  guts. But I felt it had to be said.

RB> No, the heathens respect you more (but you're getting dangerously
RB> close to Lynda's 'sucking up' classification). 

So what else is new? THe worst thing is, with the Fidonet problems, I
don't think Micheal ever saw this....




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ROB BURCHAM
|Sub:  PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:10:00
EID:57e9 203b7940
AS>  Makes sense. And it's the only echo I know of where you can really
TALK
AS>  to a theist, rather than an echo for atheists only, or for theists
only.

RB> As much as I enjoy the writings of some of the non-theists
RB> here, it's the mix of opinions that makes it entertaining.
RB> If it was ONLY atheists, I probably wouldn't have stayed
RB> here and if it was ONLY theists, I probably wouldn't have
RB> showed up. 

There's a SPIRITUALITY echo which combines many types of faith without
rancor---Christianity, Buddhist, Wiccan, whatever...but not really for
anyone not interested in spiritual matters.

AS>  So theists can be sometimes verbal punching bags for what you have
been
AS>  thinking for years--? That actually makes  a lot of sense.

RB> Let's say that you think your boss of 20 years is a 
RB> deluded bag of hot air.  But having no desire for the
RB> unemployment line or for cleaning toilets, you keep it
RB> to yourself.  Then, you find a way to tell him exactly
RB> what you think, without repercussions.  ...Something
RB> like that.              

Yeah. But you know, the theists/fundies ought to get together and charge
you guys for primal therapy or something...




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub:  RE: SPONG ON THE CREEDS 2
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:31:00
EID:903a 203b7be0
HP>> And women love a hero.  Often literally enough to lead to
HP>> reproduction. Anyone familiar with the way natural selection works
HP>> (which would seem to let Al off the hook) should be able to figure
out
HP>> an obvious connection.  :-)

AS> You think all women are carbon copies of Lois Lane?

HP> Nope.  Do you?

No. As Lynda agrees with me. But with your statement...
HP>> And women love a hero.  Often literally enough to lead to
...you make me wonder. Reproductive strategy includes getting a partner
who will be there to help protect and to nurture the kids. Heroes run the
risk of getting killed. Hence, it is counter to natural selection. It's
not a fun feeling to see someone go out every morning and wonder if they
will come back the next day. There are baby booms during wars, since they
are not sure if the majority of men are coming back. But the noncombatants
who stay have a high reproduction rate too, and more chance of coming back
and HELPING with the kids.

AS> but yet you don't see hordes of groupies around a police station or
AS> firehouse.

HP> Can you think of something a bit more irrelevant to add?

You cannot get the obvious connection? Odd; Lynda did. Policemen and
firemen are called on to act more heroicly than the average computer
programmer, auto salesman, billionaire, or rock musician. The number of
women lining up to have the babies of millionaires or rock musicians far
exceed those lining up to be the mates and have babies of policemen and
firemen.

HP> Oh, I see you did:

AS> Nor do I notice that policemen or firemen have substantially lower
AS> divorce rates than other men...

Think it through, Hector. It will come to you. Eventually.


HP> ROFL!  Al, don't you understand the term "reproduction" as it applies
HP> to the theory of evolution?  Have you completely forgotten the topic
HP> again? 

Not at all. Again, to LYNDA I didn't have to explain it twice. Or are you
asserting that policemen and firemen or any other you would like to
consider "heroes" have more children by more women than other men? (Or
firewomen and policewomen have more children by more men?) As opposed to
say, rock stars, movie stars, billionaires, etc.?
If you don't like the implications of YOUR OWN STATEMENT, don't shoot
the messenger.



... Never give them hell.  Tell the truth and they'll *think* it's hell.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub:  STAAL SHOWS HIS COLORS
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:34:00
EID:39fb 203b7c40
SQ>> Bite me!   I'm already working on him with Silver Xpress, but
SQ>> Fred's not an OLR type of guy.
AS>  HUH???? He answers these ON-LINE? Or am I misunderstanding you?

SQ> Fred reads his messages directly from his message base, using FM,
SQ> Front Door's internal editor.  Much like I'm using GoldED right now
to
SQ> do the same thing. :) What I've suggested to Fred is that he install
a
SQ> copy of the Silver Xpress R1 ("RBBS") model door, which will work with
SQ> ANY *.MSG system, and then he can use his favourite offline reader to
SQ> read the mail packets he generates.  Might be of help when he goes to
SQ> India, as all he'd need to do is call his board, download a packet,
SQ> and read his mail from his laptop while he's planning the overthrow
of
SQ> the government in Tibet. :) 

Makes sense. And that would give him something to do while he and Richard
Gere are putting that nice Dalai Lama person back in power...




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   LARRY SITES
|Sub:  TAKING A BREAK
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:45:00
EID:ce7d 203b7da0
LS> I'm taking a break from the Smoke. It has become clear to me that
LS> most  christians are so deluded that they will never abandon their
LS> false  superstition. I have researched christianities origins and
LS> history enough  to conclude that it is the product of men not gods,
LS> just as all religions  are. I am tired of putting the effort into
LS> researching specific issues and  posting the references to check them
LS> out only to have people like Hardy  come back saying that the
LS> encyclopedias and his slanted references don't  confirm that Eusebius
LS> was a liar. Imagine that! I can no longer bare  ignorant fools that
LS> claim we must just "except" that god can spin the  universe at
LS> hyperlight speed. I am sick of religious hypocrites defend  THEIR lying
LS> and stealing in one message while preaching about the supposed  sins
of
LS> others in the next. I find people who want to brainwash kids into 
LS> superstitious zombies disgusting child molesters. I am appalled that
LS> people  are more upset at having the word "cunt" used to describe a
LS> female  religious slave than they are at said slave contesting for the
LS> divine  righteousness of her aptly described station in life.

LS> My bbs system operator may be quitting anyway, so this seems like a
LS> good  time to archive all the religious debunking info from my hard
LS> drive for  some possible future retrieval and find something new to
do
LS> with my time  and computer. Now is the chance to get in any uncontested
LS> parting shots as  I may or may not check back so if you got anything
to
LS> say, get it off your  chest. (grin)

That means you never saw the answers I sent you to the last six or seven
parter you sent us. Too bad, I was hoping to REALLY spark a blaze with
you....go your own way, Larry. It's been a pleasure talking to you, and
you were one of the more interesting and intelligent debaters on the
nontheist (or at least antiChristian) side, and though sometimes the
rhetoric was a bit much, I never, EVER caught you in a outright
falsification or lie. Some of your sources I thought were a tad biased and
incomplete (and no doubt you thought the same about mine) but I never
disputed your intellectual honesty or your critical mind. It's been a
pleasure to post with you, and doubtless we will meet each other again in
one echo or newsgroup or another.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   ASMODEUS
|Sub:  RE: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:57:00
EID:3884 203b7f20
As> It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or
As> beneficial  results.  Coersion of a gambler who does nothing but lose
As> his ass and make his  family suffer, to cause him to refrain from his
As> habit, or getting a  down-in-the-dumps person to look at their positive
As> qualities instead of their  negative ones, or anything like this will
As> bring great results.  I rarely  attempt to manipulate others
As> negatively.  My work is more 95% positive/5%  negative.  I maniupulate
As> those I care for much more than those I despise, for  the simple fact
As> that not many people cause me to despise them.    

Doesn't sound like Anton LeVay. Sounds like Dr. Strange. By the Crimson
Bands of Cytorrak! By the Hosts of Hoggoth!

As> It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser who has no
As> friends,  who goes 'round hating everyone.  This isn't so.  I give and
As> receive far more  love than hate. And everyone seems to like me, except
As> for the general populace  who make up these echo's unfortunately. I
As> believe myself to be in the minority  as far as magickal practise goes.
As> It seems like the majority uses magick for  more negative means than
As> positive, expressing great maniacal glee as everyone  suffers around
As> them, but I am above such childishness.

Oooohhhh, TELL us about all these evil magicians out there, won't you?
Can't wait, oh master of the mystic arts.

As> To finally answer your question. Yes I believe it to be generally
As> harmful, but  from others, not from me.  I refuse to let that barrel
of
As> bad apples spoil the  great bunch which can be created if one just
As> picks through it to find them.  

Any of your numerous enemies...Baron Mordo, Dormammu, that crowd...cast
a
spell on you to reduce your IQ?



... I can levitate birds, but nobody cares.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE ROSE
|Sub:  AL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:05:00
EID:b579 203b80a0
JB> Seriously. I've got an approx. 400 message packet here, and NOT ONE
JB> message from Al Schroeder. Something must have happened.

SR> Imagine that!  Perhaps prayer DOES work sometime, after all! :)

You've been praying?
Actually, I'm touched at all the concern...Kevin McKenzie even called my
wife's web page. However, if you disappeared, do you think as many people
would ask about it?



... love your enemy ... it will drive him nuts
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub:  AL SCHRODINGER AND HIS PU
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:06:00
EID:cad4 203b80c0
AS>  I sure did. I dialed it, and stared...all my passwords fall in a certain
AS>  pattern, and for the life of me I couldn't remember where it fell in
the
AS>  pattern.

SQ> Netmail on the way.

Thanks. Actually, I MAINLY wanted to see if your board was getting my
messages, which it obviously is.

AS> ... Not allowed?  My dear fellow, I'm allowed everywhere. - Doctor Who

SQ> Are you aware that Paul McGann is now the eighth Doctor?

No. Is that the up and coming thing that Speilberg proposed, or is this
a
currently running series in England?




... Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   JOHN PREWETT
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:08:00
EID:2c7a 203b8100
AS> Agreed. I don't want to sound like John Prewitt,.......

JP> Not to worry. You'd need a direct miracle 
JP> of enlightenment from God for that to happen.

Well, I'm certain God could do a lot of enlightening to BOTH of us...

JP> I'm impressed when occasionally you manage 
JP> merely to sound like a genuine Christian. 

Ahhh, but whether you think I am a "genuine Christian" is irrelevant. The
point is whether JESUS thinks so.

AS>  and certainly I have nothing against individual Catholics 
AS> or the Roman Catholic Church as a whole,

JP> Never mind they tell the world that the ruler of Jesus's people

JP> is a  man in Rome called the pope. 

If I disagree with them on that (and I do) it does not affect my opinion
on their willingness to work for Christ's goals. If I think some of their
takes on God's word are mistaken, I'm sure they think the same of mine.
That does not detract from the sincerity of EITHER of us. If they think
the Pope is, like Peter, entrusted with the working of God's church (under
God) quite frankly, they do have some HISTORICAL justification for
such--Peter passing on his trust to someone else, etc. (And some
historical falsification, also.) Just like I have nothing against you
personally, though I think you are sadly mistaken in your anti-Catholic,
anti-JFK bias.

JP> IF YOU CARED ABOUT TRUTH,  THAT WOULD MATTER. 

I do; but I care enough to know that YOU don't have a lock on it either;
that for every prediction and slander you make against the Catholics, that
Catholic scholars have made SIMILAR predictions against the PROTESTANTS,
calling Martin Luther OBVIOUSLY the anti-Christ (and who led more away
from what they view the Church than Martin Luther---which is exactly what
the predictions said about the anti-Christ? No, I do not believe Martin
Luther was the anti-Christ---but many felt HE fit the bill when he lived
much more than JFK does.)

JP> Never mind they OPENLY mass-murdered Jesus's family for
JP> centuries. [while claiming to uniquely and directly represent
JP> Jesus] 

Do you mean His literal family, the descendents of His brothers and
sisters, or his spiritual family, the Christians? Or those you would
regard as REAL Christians?

JP> Which thanks to ass kissing protestants like you, 

JP> many heathens think was done by followers of CHRIST,

JP> which slanders the name of CHRIST. 

Lt. Calley thought he was following American principles when he ordered
the massacre in My Lai. So did the goverment officials who ordered the
Cherokee on the Trail of Tears. Do I think they were poor examples of
Americans? Do I think they greivously misunderstood American idealism and
principles? Yes I do. Do I DENY them being AMERICANS? No. I don't.
Perhaps you see the difference?
I find it VERY amusing that you are getting on to Lynda for
"slandering" Christians when you yourself are doing so to the LARGEST
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO AVOW TO FOLLOW CHRIST IN THE WORLD!!! Get the
two-by-four out of your eye, HYPOCRITE, before you talk about the speck
in ours.
And that is VERY Biblical, John. Just ask Jesus.



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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   STEVE ROSE
|Sub:  HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:10:00
EID:3cbe 203b8140
SR> So instead we only get prepared speeches?  How very protective you 
SR> are of your fantasy worlds. 

AS>  I'm sure the Bishop who debated Huxley about Darwin thought the
AS> same thing  about evolution, and their "fantasy worlds" of
AS> dinosaurs and such. 

SR> 'Fantasy worlds of dinosaurs'...huh.
SR> Thanks for showing everybody on this echo just how deep you can bury
SR> your head into the sand, fundy Al. 

Remarkable. You totally missed the point. Cerebral inertia.
Steve, you have a positive GENUIS for misreading me.
Let's try this again. I put the quotes around "fantasy worlds"--your
words, see above--to indicate I do NOT believe they are such. I was
comparing YOU to the Bishop who would not listen to Darwin's (and his
apologist, Huxley's) evidence for evolution. I was comparing MYSELF to
Huxley.
Since it seems you have trouble with basic concepts, let me put it more
simply.
I STRONGLY believe in the theory of evolution; I have no doubt that
evolution happened. Because the EVIDENCE all points that way, and I can
enumerate them quite well, thank you, and as well as anyone this side of
Liepzig, Goldberg, or perhaps Sue Armstrong. You see, I DO look at
evidence. I don't fluff it under the table like YOU do. You call any
reasoned possible evidence for God long explanations without refuting the
points made (and trust me, I haven't posted a lot to you, yet, I could do
a lot more) but instead make a childish demand that I show you my
"myth-gawd". I make what I think is a reasonable comment--that you
yourself believe in many things that you cannot show me, like living
dinosaurs, or the Big Bang. (Both of which I STRONGLY believe in. Perhaps
you didn't know the one who thought up the Big Bang theory was a Roman
Catholic priest?)
I do not think the evidence for a Creator is CONCLUSIVE, but I DO think
it is persuasive, and I would be happy to go over it with you. But if you
have neither the intellectual capacity or the emotional maturity to do so,
that's your look out. Many have listened and not been impressed, but they
DID think about it. Leipzig, Goldberg, even Hector for all his ROFL!ing
took the time to think about what I said and try to refute it. As have
Ceppa and Worrell and many others that I respect.
But if your intellectual contribution is, "show me your myth-gawds,
already!" then don't complain if I treat you as an emotional and
intellectual ten-year-old. That's how you're acting.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   J.J. HITT
|Sub:  RE: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:12:00
EID:3d11 203b8180
As> And what shit might that be?  What great devices would I require to
As> send an  assault on such a weakling as yourself? One who is so unsecure
As> in his  masculinity, and who has such low self-esteem, that he goes
As> about attempting  to be strong, via words, in a forum where he believes
As> what he says will cause  him no harm.  You and all the losers who do
As> this shit are such a disgrace to  the human populace, you should all
be
As> taken out and put on a display, yeah,  like Spartacus and his followers
As> were. But I doubt if we have enough roads to  put you all up beside
As> them.   

I didn't know Don Ward had a Satanist brother....

As> Anyway, I have a question for you. Since I am such a nice guy, what
As> would you  like to receive? This way, when it comes your way, you will
As> say, "well, golly  gee whiz, he was tellin the truth the whole time".
I
As> can either phuck you up  real good, or if you make a clear apology,
As> posted to all, I will forgive you.  I am not wussing-out, so to speak,
As> merely offering you a way to avoid your  imminent suffering. I
As> seriously would dislike having to hear of your  suffering, when you
As> have not angered me in the least. Unlike the fools like  you seem to

Geez, whatchagottagothrough to get a good curse slapped on you these
days...all these modern Satanists are too kind-hearted. Why, in MY day,
Satanists weren't wimps!!!


As> be, I do not let mere words that come across my screen to offend  me,
As> but i still answer back with much apparent anger, for the simple fact
As> I do  not usually take shit idly, and words are not truly harmful, for
As> anyone who  has matured.   

If he would grow some pubic hair, he might know...

As>
As> So, I leave you with a decision, actually a couple. Apologize to me,
As> in a  letter to all, and also send me a message addressed to myself
As> that you did,  because I hardly have enough time to read all of the
As> messages here, in fact I  haven't read any for several days, since the
As> last time you got a response from  me.  I was suprised to see 12
As> messages to me from here when i got on the board  today, i'll probably
As> not even read them all. Anyway, do that, or tell me what  you would
As> like. I can send out a great negativity which could cause random 
As> results, but I do not wish to cause you excruciating harm, merely to
As> show you  what I could do, if that is what you wish. So, tell me what
As> your desire is,  and I'll give it to you. 

Ye gads. I've NEVER seen such stalling.
If this joker doesn't get an entire PAGE on the FAQ next time out, there's
no justice. I know you won't mind going through a little pain in the cause
of truth, would you, JJ? (Not that I'm really WORRIED about the
possibility, mind you...)



... Against stupidity, the Gods themselves, contend in vain !
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub:  LARRY SITES
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:13:00
EID:4a1c 203b81a0
LB> That said (and basically agreed with), I could have done without Larry
LB> referencing female genitalia in his commentary -- it seems a bit of
an
LB> insult to a perfectly good part of a woman's anatomy.  I don't think
LB> I'll ever understand the male fascination with body parts as insult
LB> tools -- especially one they try to hard to gain access to. (G)

I've never quite understood that either. (And quite frankly, Larry JUST
saying that was beneath his usual levels of debate.) Female genitalia are
a GOAL, not an insult.




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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub:  RE: MESSIAH GATE 5
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:17:00
EID:2e9d 203b8220
AS> James was referred to as an eyewitness by Paul.

HP> Who was not himself an eyewitness.  Nor did James write anything about
HP> what he may or may not have witnessed.  We know he existed, and know
HP> he was an xtian.  That's about it.  Tsk, tsk.

We also know that Paul talked to James. Don't you think it would be odd
if
Paul didn't know a LITTLE more about James than what ONE letter gives us?
On the other hand, we do know what he thought about the resurrection of
the dead in general, as I mentioned in the other post about the "will
receive the crown of life" in James 1:12 indicates eternal life in the
Greek, considering the future tense of the verb.

HP> BTW, I was talking the other day with a family (grandmother,
HP> grandfather, two grown daughters and a grown cousin, a grandson) all
HP> of whom have "witnessed" a ghost and were more than willing to talk
HP> about it.  I didn't believe them, either -- no evidence.

Good. And did they witness it all together or seperately?



... Reality has limits; stupidity has none. - N. Bonaparte
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To:   SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub:  NOAH'S IMPOSSIBLE ARK 1
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:22:00
EID:6a38 203b82c0
AS> Silly Rabbit--Tricks are for Gods!--Loki, Hermes, Coyote, Raven....

SA> That's tagline material if I ever saw it .

It's the least I could do, considering how many taglines I stole from THIS
echo...



... "I wonder who they could mean," said Loki innocently....  
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  OPINION POLL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:38:19
EID:e2d2 203b7cc0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4729
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Jackson!

Thursday January 18 1996 02:13, Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh:

RJ>> enemies in battle.  They flipped a coin with the Scottish, who
RJ>> lost on the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.

GtP>> The Scots won.

RJ>         Of course, painting yourself blue and running stark naked
RJ>         at your enemy helps.   Imagine what would've happened
RJ>         if bagpipes could fire rockets as well!

I wonder if Q has heard about this one?{g}
Ves thu heil und Gut Jul,
Glen Todd

Bring back the snakes -- Ireland was better off Pagan!

... I am Elmyra of Borg:  We will hug you and squeeze you and love you!
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:41:06
EID:85a5 203b7d20
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a47e1
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, J.J. Hitt!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard J.J. Hitt
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO:

JJH>>> If it wasn't for their appeal to teenagers, all three of the above
JJH>>> belief systems would dry up and blow away overnight.

GtP>> You need to research more.

JJH>  Uh huh...

GtP>> In our community we have a pretty good population of "elders"....ie,
GtP>> retired folks who have been practicing witchcraft for several
GtP>> generations.

JJH>  And you have demographic evidence to support this claim?
JJH>  I need it for my "research".

Demographic evidence, hel!   A good many of them are personal friends.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... I thank my lucky stars I'm not superstitious.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:43:08
EID:f326 203b7d60
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a48a2
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Ryan Shaw!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Ryan Shaw
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about FOF:

SQ>> 3D, Rise of the Triad, and Doom.  Yet I have several co-workers who
SQ>> tell me that there's a sex shop in every German airport in which
SQ>> they've landed.

Yep.

GtP>> But back to the sex shops....why do you find this a problem?

RS> I don't think it's a problem at all.  I lived in Germany for a combined
RS> total of two years, one of them spent going to school there after I
got out
RS> of the hell one refers to as high school.  There were a lot of sex shops
RS> and the like but I found the atmosphere in Europe much more comforting
than
RS> here, at least in regards to sex.  Americans are prudes.

No argument here -- at least for the ones who have nothing better to do
with their lives than try to ruin everybody else's fun.

RS> ...anyhow, I think Steve was pointing out the hypocrisy in having sex
RS> shops on every corner and then turning around and banning a video
RS> game.

No more hypocritical than peddling violence and banning sex -- and less
destructive.
Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -- Heinlein
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:52:03
EID:b9d4 203b7e80
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4d42
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Steve Quarrella!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Steve Quarrella
whisper furtively to Gwenny The Pooh something about FOF:

SQ> This is my problem with the German government wanting to keep sex out
of
SQ> the hands of others by pressuring an information service, when all you
have
SQ> to do is walk down to the local sex shop and see in real life what you
SQ> could pull down from one of the erotic binaries groups.  Does this make
ANY
SQ> sense?

It does -- IF what we see happening isn't what's really happening, or at
least not the entire story.   German sex shops aren't available to people
in the US, but Compu$erve is.   Let's just suppose (purely for the sake
of discussion) that some RRR type IN THE U.S. (possibly working for C$,
possibly not) wanted to block availibility of these newsgroups in the U.S.
What better than to take some large chunks of the 'love offering' cash that
such types always have laying around, and use it to 'convince' some German
politicos with negotiable ethics that in order to 'protect the morals' of
the German people (and never mind the sex shops and the red light districts)
that the _German_ government needs to issue a ban that will then give said
RRR types a convenient (and conveniently remote) scapegoat for their de
facto banning of 'un-Christian' material in the U.S.

I'm not saying that this is what _IS_ happening, but it does make interesting
food for though, particularly since the stories coming out of both the German
government and the Compu$erve bureaucracy seem to be so changeable.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... 1010011010...the binary of the beast.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Gods, not god
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:06:51
EID:0357 203b80c0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4dcf
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31033838
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Jackson!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Robert Jackson
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about Gods, not god:

GtP>> !!!!  NO!  How horrible.  Well, at least doing ritual doesn't hurt

RJ>         Just said to make a point.  I only reserved the torture for
RJ>         animals that stood a good chance of fighting back. 

Like fundies.{vbeg}

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Just give me the coffee and no one gets hurt.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  OPINION POLL
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:10:15
EID:9750 203b8140
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4e95
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org da8f91f2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Katherine Wintersnight!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Katherine
Wintersnight whisper furtively to Gwenny The Pooh something about OPINION
POLL:

KW> @AREA:HOLYSMOKE
KW> @MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org da8f91f2
KW>  * Forwarded from area 'HOLYSMOKE'

GTP>RJ>> The Chinese used rockets to scare the hell out of their
GTP>RJ>> enemies        in battle.  They flipped a coin with the Scottish,
GTP>RJ>> who lost on        the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.

GTP>> The Scots won.

KW>   Bagpipes are the ultimate weapon for apartment stereo wars.

{evil chortle}   Works great.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Sorry about that, Chief.
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Robert Berndt
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:14:21
EID:8a54 203b81c0
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a4f91
REPLY: 1:280/26 3717662b
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*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Robert Berndt!

Monday January 22 1996 20:24, Robert Berndt wrote to Gwenny The Pooh:

GTP>> Remember -- Rome was Christian when it fell.
RB> And America was Christian when it rose.

Your proof for this -- assuming it ever did?

Ves thu heil und Gut Jul,
Glen Todd

Bring back the snakes -- Ireland was better off Pagan!

... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
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|From: Glen Todd
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  ARK nut
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:17:27
EID:79a7 203b8220
MSGID: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310a5165
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31072d71
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
*** Answering a msg posted in area Gwenny's private area [POOHBEAR].

Heilsa, Steve Wallis!

While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Steve Wallis
whisper furtively to Gwenny the Pooh something about ARK nut:

GtP>> No blindfolds since I stopped being blinded by Christianity.

SW> In the Bible it talks about two blindmen who recieved there sight from
SW> Jesus Christ. They cried out to Jesus saying "Lord, Son of David, have
SW> mercy on us!" Jesus stopped and called them, "What do you want me to
do
SW> for you?" He asked. 'Lord,' they answered, 'we want to recieve our sight.'
SW> Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they
SW> recieved their sight and followed him.

SW> I'll pray for ya Gweenie that the Lord will touch your eyes so that
you
SW> may see. Godbless!

He's way too late -- as usual.   Somebody already did, and now she walks
the path that was meant for her, rather than the one the psuedo-religious
powermongers tried to force on her with their lies, distortions, and emotional
blackmail.   I'm sorry for you that you weren't so fortunate.    Save your
prayers for yourself; you're obviously far more in need of them than she
is.

SW> ... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.

For as many are led by the spirits of grain, they are alcoholics.   Ta.

Ves thu heil,

Glen Todd
American Thuggee Militia

KALI WANTS YOU!

... Play the FL Lotto! Just don't tell me the Odds!
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  ONE LAST COMMENT      01/
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:40:19
EID:920d 203b7d00
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 310aad82
Hi Preston...

On 21 Jan 96  15:40:42, Preston Simpson penned the following to Katherine
Wintersnight 
re: ONE LAST COMMENT      01/

KW> somebody out there might be eating or drinking.  Sufficient to say I
KW> have no desire to be buried.

PS> Me neither. It's a dead body, for cripe's sake. Why bother with
PS> putting it in the ground?

'Cause if you leave it outside it attracts wild animals.  B-})

John


... "Heaven for Climate; Hell for company" (Mark Twain)
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.21
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:01:52
EID:d080 203b4020
MSGID: 1:207/212 888e20ed
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de2
SW> Opinions vary, Let me ask you this then; What would it take to get you
SW> to believe? If the only way your gonna believe is through "scientific
SW> evidence" (so called anyway), then you have let the devil cheat you
out
SW> of your right to salvation.


The way I will believe is if I get pregnant. Nothing more, nothing less.


... Avoid cliches like the plague -- They're a dime a dozen

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  ?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  08:09:59
EID:4fdd 203b4120
MSGID: 1:207/212 5f7d4941
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de5
On (25 Jan 96) Steve Wallis wrote to Preston Simpson...

SW> My knowledge comes from the Word of God. I am not required to prove
SW> anything to you. You have a mind and the ability to choose and believe
SW> what you will. You can take God at His Word, or you can go in circles
SW> looking for answers somewhere else. Its your choice Preston.

1. How do you know it is the word of God? I don't take a third party's
word that someone said something. Hearsay evidence at best.

2. How do you know the humans who wrote it down, decided what to include
and what not to include, and translated it over and over again didn't
change it to the point that it was nearly unrecognizable? I've had
people misquote me and misunderstand what I said even when using the
precise words I did. Worse than hearsay evidence here.

Provide INDEPENDENT evidence [in other words nothing from the Bible]
that the Bible is God's word.

SW> The difference is, your the only one holding the gun to your head. God
SW> gave us the way out of this mess, when Jesus Christ died for us. God

SW> loves us and doesnt want anyone to perish. The lake of fire was only
meant
SW> for the devil and his angels-not for man. God gave us the way out, but
SW> we must do our part to recieve the gift that God gave us.

If God didn't want us to perish, if he were omnipotent he would simply
have arranged it. I'm capable of forgiving people without human
sacrifice, aren't you?

SW> God choose to send His Son to this world to pay the price for our
SW> sinfullness. But, we must excercise our freewill and choose whether
SW> or
SW> not we accept the gift that God gave us or not. It boils down to our
SW> choice.  

Gift? More like blackmail.


... If it WALKS out of your refrigerator, LET IT GO!!

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Sue Armstrong
|Sub:  HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:45:43
EID:9f9d 203b85a0
MSGID: 1:207/212 45ea3486
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31080e3b
SA> hoses.    The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of

SA> dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able

SA> to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's

SA> too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.

Except by spaying her immediately.


... Beware of people that put numbers after their names.

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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  flood
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:15:34
EID:691c 203ba1e0
MSGID: 1:207/212 6cbece6d
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 31080179
On (23 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Dan Ceppa...

AM>  Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me newspapers and
AM> video.
AM>  You could simply swear it happened. But how do I know your not just
AM> making
AM>  it up. Or the newspapers are just lying and the video was doctored.

Let's see... Yesterday.

I have written evidence that yesterday I taught kindergarten at a
particular school. I have the timecard signed by the person. My husband
could verify having to come pick me up.

I have 70 or more witnesses that I taught there, from children to
adults.

My note to the teacher would still be on his desk.

The messages I posted could be independently verified.


... The early worm has a death wish.

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|From: Karen Davis
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:18:28
EID:58b9 203ba240
MSGID: 1:207/212 7b1b4d83
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017c
On (24 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell...

AM>         No, there excluded because scientists don't believe the
AM> possibility
AM>  of supernatural agencies to be sceince. Which is a subjective value
AM>  judgement. I have a funny idea, why don't you tell me what you think
AM>  about the big ticket items like; why we are here, who or what caused
the
AM>  big bang? what does it all mean? Then I'll ask what evidence you have
to
AM>  support your point of view.


Supernatural agencies are NOT science because science requires things
that can be verified or disproven.

If I THINK something about one of those "big ticket items" as an
individual, I have no real need for evidence. My personal beliefs are
not subject to scientific scrutiny. Neither are yours. You are free to
believe God made the earth in 6 days. But you have to stop short of
calling that a scientific theory, just as I don't call my personal
beliefs regarding those "big ticket items" scientific. I personally
integrate the scientific evidence [all overwhelmingly in favor of
evolution] with experience to develop my opinions.

DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
AM>    No, abortionists do.

Children are *born*.


... SIGN AT NUDIST COLONY - "Clothed for the winter months"

--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Alan Jennings
|Sub:  ULC
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:52:00
EID:a6cc 203b5680
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abff9
And Brave Sir Alan ran away, screaming "ULC"!


AJ> The Archdiocese of Cyberspace ULC can also handle this for you. The
AJ> requested donation is the same. We also issue certificates of
AJ> Sainthood in the Church of Elvis. 

Yeh. I got mine from the C of E.

AJ> The Archdiocese is at 5065 Florida Blvd. Baton Rouge LA 70896.

AJ> The address of the ULC Headquarters is 601 3rd Street in Modesto.

Doh!  It _must_ have been late when I was typing that.  Not only 
did I misread the street name, but I remember mistyping "modesto" 
three times - and apparently, still wound up with a typo.  Bleah.

--Wolfie



To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etcetera."
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  So -shoot- me!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:55:01
EID:7062 203b56e0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffa
And Brave Sir Steve ran away, screaming "So -shoot- me!"!

MH> cheaper]. I've seen people gunned down, and I've been in one too many
MH> viotile situations [thankfully, the latter without guns], even where
I
MH> live now. Hm, must have something to do with the proximity to Detroit.

SQ> I used to be amazed at how I could walk around Windsor at 1 AM on
SQ> Saturday and not be accosted (I used to go a place called {if memory
SQ> serves} Sorrento's, over in the Italian part of town, and Cadillac
SQ> Jack's was a favourite until they went "Tex-Mex".).  Do that in
SQ> Detroit and you're asking for trouble. 

You'll likely hear the same thing from Mark, but here goes ..

It's changing.  For the worse.  The Ouellette and Elliot area has 
gotten really popular the past couple of years, and shows no sign 
of abatement.  I'm not sure how much of the geography of downtown 
Windsor you might remember, but if you recall the area where a bar 
that's gone through several names is (Elliot's on the Avenue, 
Rumours, Dirty Rascals, and now Joker's - it was once a furniture 
store back in the 70s, and once had a pool hall upstairs) .. well, 
there are now 6 other bars on the same block.  Bentley's (formerly 
Pit Martin's); Bernie's World (formerly the Vanity theatre, then 
Roxy's); Woody's Outhouse (formerly a fur store - well, that's an 
improvement, at least.); Howl at the Moon (formerly Peachy's, and 
much classier and quieter); The Electric Fish (soon to be opened), 
and now a new bar of some sorts is opening up next to Joker's, 
where Mother's restaurant used to be. Then, behind the library, 
you've got The Penalty Box (they do have great food, at least) and 
Don Cherry's, next to the Y.  That doesn't count any of the places 
on the river side of Wyandotte.

What all this means is that, at 1 am on Saturday now, you have a 
mass of humanity (which SHOULD be a GOOD thing, so far as the 
local economy is concerned) which is, for the most part, quite 
rowdy and drunk.  Last year, we even had a stabbing outside of 
Joker's - the assailant was a bouncer there (I remember him - a 
real Hitler-youth looking type of guy.)  Where I used to live, 
next to the library, you used to be able to see and hear all sorts 
of fights and stuff - in fact, when the stabbing occurred, I 
ignored it - just put it down to the regular sort of idiot-noise 
out on the street.  And, when I walk just ONE block to Mark's 
house in the late evening sometimes (to catch a late movie on 
cable or whatnot), I notice I start to get treated the same way I 
am in Toronto ("Oh, look.  Single female .. must be a hooker!") by 
slimeballs who wander around looking for trouble.  I don't blame 
the bars per se - in fact, it's about time SOMETHING started 
opening up around here, rather than shutting down - it's just the 
attitude of their patrons that's the problem.  It wouldn't be so 
bad if so many of them didn't act like complete idiots, either 
because they've had a drink or two, or are under the impression 
that Canadian law can't touch them, anyway - the majority of the 
barhoppers seem to be from the suburbs of Detroit (though in the 
stabbing incident, both people involved were locals.)

I know, I know.  That's nothing - at least folks aren't shooting 
each other left and right (yet).  I'm just glad that Customs seems 
to be more or less on the ball about checking for guns, and I'm 
glad we DO have strict gun laws to prevent that sort of thing.  
We've had lots of deaths this year, but they all seem to be due to 
traffic accidents.  It's not so much a violent crime problem (yet) 
as it is simply a disturbance of the peace problem.  And it isn't 
so much just a problem for folks who happen to live downtown - 
after all, I see downtowns as primarily commercial districts, 
anyway .. it's just that the more disruptive elements make it 
unpleasant for other people trying to enjoy themselves in a 
quieter manner, going to the show or eating out or whatnot, and it 
seems to discourage store owners from staying open later, even 
though many people would probably like to shop downtown on a nice 
summer night after they're done with the casino or whatnot.

The bars are fine.  I don't particularly like such places, but 
that's me.  I just wish folks would have a little more sense when 
it comes to "having a good time."

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... The race is over. The rats won.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:35:02
EID:977f 203b5c60
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffb
And Brave Sir Preston ran away, screaming "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."!

AS> Too true. But my boss is too in awe of my ability to pull down Kathy
AS> Ireland .gifs from local bulletin boards. I showed him how to pkzip
AS> and pkunzip things the other day, and it was slacked-mouth wonder.

PS> Computer illiterate people amaze me. It isn't nearly as difficult as
PS> it looks to learn how to run one of the things.

Heh.  I was proud of myself yesterday .. I finally found soemthing 
that can sort of multitask on this doddering old machine.  I was a 
little iffy about the thing, since you have to allocate memory 
usage for each "instance" of DOS yourself.  Wasn't sure if I'd 
crash anything or not by fiddling about with it. :)  I've been a 
bit gun-shy, as it were, since the fiasco with trying a DOS 6.0 
upgrade and Stacker. (Lost everything in that little adventure.) 
Anyway, I managed to get it set up so that it works, and, woo-hoo! 
I can switch between two programmes at once now!

(Windows? What the hell is Windows?) :)

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "I think Data's painting is making me dizzy."  -- Worf
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  ARK nut
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:53:03
EID:45a6 203b5ea0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffc
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "ARK nut"!

DD> Even I can see fossils all over the earth wherever I am. There
DD> is no doubt but that the world was covered by water.

DC> No you can't.  There are many areas that do not have a single 
DC> fossil in them, expect for you, as you go to the sites, of 
DC> course.  

I'll say.  The only fossils we have around here are the folks in 
the nursing homes.  Otherwise, the oldest stuff in the ground are
pre-Columbian Indian artifacts.  Thanks to the glaciers, there 
isn't anything dating from before about 10,000 years ago - except 
for the salt deposits, which apparently date back 600 million 
years or so, if I rember right.  I don't think they've managed to 
find any fossils from that time, though.  It'd be great if they 
did, and might even prompt the city to decide on building a 
natural history museum (the city was bequeathed a million dollars 
or so, to be used for erected a museum of some sort, years ago. 
They've never been able to decide what sort of museum we should 
have, and the intrest has accumulated quite handsomely. My vote's 
on a natural history type place, with plenty of paleontological 
displays.)

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... If it rained palaces, I'd get hit with the dunny door.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Ignorance and immaturity continues
|Date: 27 Jan 96  18:46:04
EID:21bf 203b95c0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310abffd
And Brave Sir Robert ran away, screaming "Ignorance and immaturity continues"!

kb> Actually, as I am strait, I decline your offensive suggestion.

FR>   That's what Jim Bakker always said -- until he was caught
FR> with his dick up the ass of his body guard.   

RJ> Well, I guess the guy had at least three inches of
^^^^^
RJ> Bakker's body well guarded.

That's an odd way of spelling "most", isn't it?

--Wolfie


To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "It goes on and on and we get ripped off just the same .." - Redgum
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Don Martin
|Sub:  Rheum to Grow in
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:16:05
EID:a4bf 203b9a00
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 94d8dd35
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 3107d5e8
On (25 Jan 96) Don Martin wrote to Judith Bandsma...

DM> Judith Bandsma said "Gibbering Simp" to Marilyn Burge, and added:

MB> correct.  And, as for the word "rheum," that is a common Latin

JB> Rheum is also an eye affliction, characterized by a milky look to the
JB> eye and a whitish discharge. That's what makes the 2 parts of Don's
JB> signature line hang together.

DM>     Yea Team! I knew I couldn't fool the carney. (Fundies
DM> are different.)


DM> Later, you say to Marilyn:

MB> You DID have the same thing happen to you!  It was our VISA card

JB> Cancelling AOL is worse than trying to cancel one of those book clubs.
JB> I think I know 3 people who DIDN'T have problems with them.

DM>     I am calling their 800 number from time to time, and
DM> sending in every "No postage necessary if mailed in the
DM> U.S." cards of theirs I find in magazines. Small things, to
DM> be sure, but I am determined that the money they sucked out
DM> of my bank account shall profit them not at all.

If you run accross any advertisements that have postage-paid
envelopes connected to 'em, those are even more efficient.
Regardless of what you fill them with, the postage is paid
on the other end, and there is no way to trace their point
of origin.



... "Theological" is not.

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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  ABORTION
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:07:10
EID:cfb1 203ba8e0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 b3741bfe
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31092567
On (26 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh...

RJ>  GtP> get away from the rat race for a day or so during her period.

RJ> My  GtP> daughters and my cycles are starting to match, so the day
RJ> might come

RJ>         I've heard women who live in close quarters will tend to do
RJ>         that.  Sorta shoots down the supposed benefits of a harem,
RJ>         doesn't it?  Imagine Solomon--keeping 700 wives and concubines
RJ>         who ALL start to get bitchy at the same time.  I think it
RJ>         *would* take the wisdom of...uhh, who was that wiseguy?...uh,
RJ>         yeah, that one--to keep a cool head while being vibed out by
RJ>         a few hundred ineffably angry women.

I don't hold much truck with the notion that women living together
gradually fall into the same menstral cycle.  If it were true,
prisons would have to hire a U-Haul once a month to take care of
the discarded sanitary napkins, and it just doens't seem to happen
that way.  

I think that what does happen is that no two women have exactly
the same cycle -- they vary from 25 days to probably 35, and then
there are those who aren't all that regular to boot.  If you've
ever seen those thingies on biorhythms, you know that when you have
several things that are cyclical, but none of them on the same cycle,
the cycles tend to "meet" at some point, only to gradually depart
for a given length of time.  People being what they are, I imagine
some dipshit who doesn't have a visceral understanding of mathematics
would seize the moment when the cycles were "together" as absolute
proof that the cycles had joined because of the physical proximity
of the people involved.


... Make coffee from freeze-dried fundies!

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|From: Matt Miller
|To:   Ricky Dearing
|Sub:  Matt
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:20:14
EID:7308 203bb280
MSGID: 1:116/17.0 310af97e
Ricky were the hek is exitlus. This sucks its gone I'm going to complain
to the sysop call me now!!!!!!!6Z


--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Matt Miller
|To:   Melvin Burlison
|Sub:  where is exitlus?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:21:38
EID:ce2e 203bb2a0
MSGID: 1:116/17.0 310af9d2
Hey man I was enjoying exitlus now where is it !!!!^Z


--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KEVIN AURE
|Sub:  Conference Guidelines
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:45:00
EID:c1bd 203bbda0
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6cd
TID: GE 1.2
-> Hey, hey. Watch out what Christians you make fun of.  Some others
-> might get  offended.


Kevin


You weren't really quoting me, so I don't know what to tell you.


Les

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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub:  hey, i'm new
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:48:34
EID:04fe 203bbe00
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6ce
TID: GE 1.2
-> Don't you think that it is a wee bit hypocritical of you to criticise
-> another's 'christianity' when your theft is blazoned across the
-> world?


Katherine


I have no idea what you're talking about.


Les

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|From: LES WILCOX
|To:   KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub:  hey, i'm new
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:52:37
EID:04fe 203bbe80
MSGID: 1:147/48 2903f6cf
TID: GE 1.2
-> * OLXWin 1.00a * BANISH THE DEMON JEHOVAH!



Katherine


According to one study the term "Jehovah" is considered a term with
no origins.

Les

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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  The Ultimate Shit List
|Date: 28 Jan 96  02:24:32
EID:e84d 203c1300
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10b03474
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31081695
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
DW> 24 Jan 96 03:28, J.J. Hitt wrote to Zayd Allebban:

->>> I finally get a fundy in my net, and wouldn't you know it
->>> turns out to be a Muslim.

Hey...they are the worst kind!  Always sticking their ass up in their gawd's
face and such.  Hmmmmmm.  Come to think of it...not that bad, after all!

ZA>> I don't know what a "fundy" is, but I hope it's nothing bad.

JH>  Oh.. I'm afraid it does mean "something bad".


... URA fundy if the only weddings you attend are at the end of a shotgun.

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|From: Zach Doyle
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  What the hell
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:19:32
EID:60c0 203bba60
MSGID: 1:153/455.0 310b2384
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31091f6b
CH> "Sounds like he was the smart one. Wha'd you follow that act with? 
I
CH> don't know. I wasn't there. There ain't a story that donesn't hve two
CH> sides to it. Either way, the fact that he is her ex, makes him the
CH> smart one..." - Jim Staal

JS> Actually the obvious implication (implication, heck; I came right out
JS> and said it) that he was the smart one for being her ex.

What the fuck give you the right to tell people that violence is an intellegent
matter?? What do you mean beating Gwenny was smart!!
You are a hypocritical, dishonerable fuck! Ever read your fairy tale book??
You know the part about rules!!, Damn you Jim Staal I hope you get stuck
with yourself after you die, an atheist you, I'd call that religious justice!!


--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  SPEAR IN SIDE
|Date: 27 Jan 96  10:17:12
EID:89cc 203b5220
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 63f6fab8
On (25 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Marilyn Burge...

-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Judith Bandsma <=-

MB> Then, he lay in the grave all day Saturday, which is day-two.  Then,
MB> he wasn't resurrected until after sundown on Saturday (Sunday a.m.),
MB> which makes the third day.

JB> Still doesn't wash. He was supposed to have been IN THE GRAVE for 3
JB> days. (I suppose they figure that on the amount of time it would have
JB> taken a corpse to really start stinking.) The EARLIEST I can make it
JB> is sundown on Monday. And if the women went to the tomb in the
JB> morning, then it can't be until Tuesday.

The resurrection story says nothing about Jesus stinking.  You're
thinking of the story of Lazarus, who purportedly had been dead
long enough to stink when Jesus brough him back to life.


... Love is blind - marriage is the eye-opener.

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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  Abortion
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:00:07
EID:d1fe 203b5800
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 1f801496
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 611d86d2
On (25 Jan 96) Martin Goldberg wrote to Steve Wallis...

MG>  SW>>  Well, one would speculate the calculations of the ark to be
MG>  SW>> about 3  football fields long and 3 levels high.
MG>  GtP>> That MIGHT hold the food animals.
SW> Well, it held the food and the animals.

MG> Do you not get it, fundy?  There is physically, not enough space to
MG> store food and animals ont he ark described int he bible.

I sort of warmed up to the fund who came cruising through here
telling us that Noah made use of all that effluent to grow food
in the hull of the vessel so all the animals could eat without
ingesting each other.

Whatever happened to that fundy, anyway?   He reminded me that
there are a handful of fundies out there that still have a
synapse that'll snap now and then, even if it's a misfire.


... Life is a sexually transmitted disease.

--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Christian Jobs
|Date: 27 Jan 96  11:26:17
EID:082e 203b5b40
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 8331a4df
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 891111F5
On (26 Jan 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Marilyn Burge...

-> On 01-24-96  21:08, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa

-> On 01-21-96  19:35, Michael Hardy got back to Lynda Bustilloz

DC> No, Michael, it's still the same. As long as the neo-Nazi
DC> does not use his working time time to promote his brand of
DC> thought,

MB> My question is, how would the prospective employer know that
MB> the applicant was a neo-Nazi, unless he asked inappropriate
MB> questions?

DC> At that point, the employer is completely out of line. It it
DC> the employers job to verify the suitablility of the applicant
DC> based on questions relating to the job. (see below)

That was my point: it's illegal for the employer to ask such a
question, so there is no legal way (s)he'd even know. . . .

MB> clients or customers, I would think, whether the tatoo was a
MB> swaztika or Shirley Temple wouldn't matter in the least.

DC> Unfortunately, that "information" is willfuly given by the
DC> applicant. And, further, such display may endanger the
DC> owner's business. If that can be shown to be true, the owner
DC> should not be forced to allow such of a display.

That, too was my point: unless the applicant said or did something
that "gave away" the information, there is no legal way for the
employer to find out.

DC> That is why I limited my argument to the "unseen" and the
DC> "unspoken".

I know.

... Yeah, but what's the speed of DARK?

--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Why
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:01
EID:707d 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd0
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-

-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-

GtP> I was a Christian.  I believed that God would save me if I just had
GtP> faith long enough.  When I reached the lowest point in my life (and
it
GtP> was pretty low, considering that I had already survived an abusive
GtP> stepfather and husband), it was at the hands of Christians.  My good
GtP> Christian ex-fiance, after abadoning me, came back and kidnapped our
GtP> daughter.  That was when I realized there wasn't really a god and I
GtP> needed to be responsible for myself. 
SW> 
SW> You cant blame God for the actions of some bozo who claimed to be a
SW> Christian.  What happened to you was unfortunate but it wasnt God's
SW> fualt for it. While we are in this world, evil is all around.
MH> 
MH> Christianity is a belief, nothing more. If you think it's 
SW> 
SW> In your opinion Mark, buthow would you know if it were anything more
SW> if  you never bothered to take the time to find out?
SW> 
MH> In my 'opinion'? A religion, by -definition-, is a system of 
MH> belief; a code of ethics; or a philosophy of life. Now, seeing how I

MH> have my own moral code, why do I need to bow down to a whiny little

MH> religion like yours? I've -seen- your religion; I've seen plenty of

MH> others, too. I have the capability to judge for myself ... and, oh 
MH> this is a tough one ... I think I'll pass, Steve-o. Call me insane,

MH> but I'm not about to render my moral code to your, or anyone else's

MH> subjugation. I'm funny that way; I care about who I am. I also care

MH> about my freedom of thought. Your philosophy is a little too stuffy

MH> and imposing for my tastes.
SW> 
SW> Well Mark, all I have to say on this is that you have your reward in
SW> full then. Enjoy your rewards.

That of free thought, will, and a life to live the way *I* see 
fit? Oh, I will; I will. I will enjoy it immensely. In fact, I am as I 
write this.

MH> anything more, you're not only sadly mistaken but deluded as well. 
SW> 
SW> Again, I would have to say that wisdom is justified by her children.
MH> 
MH> Babbling again. Don't you ever learn? Think for yourself!
SW> 
SW> I do think for myself Mark. I have a freewill guy, and can make
SW> rational decisions. Most people can...

So why do you constantly quote a book of lies and fiction when it
has no bearing on the discussion? I inform you that you're wrong,
regarding your definition of religion, and you say something silly from
the babble. I reiterate: Think for yourself!

MH> She was perfectly right in taking responsibility for herself. She
MH> should have been doing that from the start; I applaud her
MH> bravery. In your reply, you imply that one shouldn't take
MH> responsibility for their actions. You disputed her doing so,
MH> after all ...
SW>
SW> Where did you get that crock from eh? Did I imply something like
SW> Mark? No, I did not. We all have to take responsibility for our actions
SW> Mark. You, me and the rest of this world. We will all reap what we sow.
MH> 
MH> Did you imply something like that? Oh, yes; you did, in fact. I 
MH> also love how you specifically didn't quote it [what you said in reply
MH> to her message] back in. You're a sly one, Steve. Not too bright, but

MH> you are underhanded. A word of advice: watch what you say in a literal
MH> sense.
SW> 
SW> First thing, I did not imply what you stated guy. You are the one
SW> trying to misconscrew things. If you still have the message post it
SW> back up and well go over it again if your analitical metabolism can
SW> handle such a  feat. But even if you dont, I really dont care.

Yes, you did. As per literal meaning, you said she shouldn't take 
responsibility for herself. That you can't see it makes it all the 
more funny.

MH> so many words, and I am, of course, mincing words, but only to 
MH> show you how silly you are. Case and point: There are no gods, 
MH> only systems of belief.
SW> 
SW> You will have your day in court to dispute it Mark,(if you keep going
SW> the  way you are). It says in the Bible that we all must give an
SW> account to  God one day for our actions on earth.
MH> 
MH> Sticks and stones, Steve. And, seeing as how I'm a law-abiding 
MH> citizen, I'm afraid nothing I've done will come to trial. Gosh, 
MH> doesn't that just leave a bitter taste in your mouth? I don't believe

MH> in your silly outlook on life, so I must be condemned. So much for 
MH> your belief in individuality, huh, Steve? But how you're going to get

MH> me to burn in a hell that doesn't exist is a wonder to me.
SW> 
SW> Your under the deluded and deceptive thought that I want to condemn
SW> you  Mark. You are wrong guy. I dont want you to perish any more than
I
SW> would my family and friends. But believe what you will, after all-I
SW> wouldnt want you to think I was infringeing on your freedoms...

Steve, you said, and it's quoted above: "You have your reward in 
full. Enjoy your reward." Are you going to deny that you were 
condemning me? ROFL! You make me sick.

MH> It's true; I don't hate Christianity because of you. It makes my 
MH> bile rise because of, not just you, but all the others that are like

MH> you, and your spawned fundamentalism.
SW> 
SW> And you shouldnt. Christianity is not against you Mark. Your under the
SW> impression that its you against Christians. And that my friend is a
SW> crock. I preach whats written in the Word of God. If that gets your
SW> bile to rise, thats your own fualt for choosen to react that way. Do
SW> you feel threatened by Christianity? It would seem that way to me from
SW> the way you write. You  tell me.

I feel threatened by any group or organization that brainwashes 
their followers, and seem to believe it their position in the world to 
cripple everyone else's judgement, and impair their free-will. 
Catholicism/Christianity agencies do this.

SW> Sound to me like youve never really had a Christian family of
SW> believer's who were there for you. If you would, Id ask that you find
SW> yourself a cool Christian Church with a dynamite group of believers
SW> and whatch the way you would be acepted and befriended. It would amaze
SW> you.  
MH> 
MH> Goat, are you ignorant. Oh, she had a good group of 
MH> Christians alright. They 'loved' her so much, and bruised her with 
MH> so much 'wisdom,' that she left them; that place; and their 
MH> religion. You Christians really know how to party!
SW> 
SW> Well, I cant really interject much becuase I dont know the facts in
SW> this situation, but again-why judge the crop by a few bad apples? The
MH> 
MH> So, Steve ... how come you don't know all the facts of this 
MH> particular situtation, so you refuse to 'interject,' but still somehow
MH> think it's just 'a few bad apples.' This is rich! ROFL!
SW> 
SW> Becuase I am not God. I dont know every single detail of her life. In

So, why'd you make a hypocrite of yourself, and presume you knew 
what she was talking about, thus writing your 'interjection'? 

SW> order  to know more, she obviously would have to tell me. I do not know
SW> any Christian's who beat their wives/girlfriends. I am totally against

Wrong. You do now.

SW> violence towards woman. Woman are to be treated with dignity and
SW> respect out of love. The Bible is about love, not hate. If her husband

Did you know they advocate rape in the bible? Explain to me how 
'loving' and 'rape' are the same thing?

SW> was a true Christian, he  wouldnt have treated her the way he did. God
SW> will judge him in the end. Its in God's hands. 

But, Steve-o, you said that you have oh-so much free will. 
Gwenny's ex-husband should, too. If the two of you do, how come he 
couldn't/wouldn't treat her that way if he believed in Goat?

SW> You have a distorted look on Christianity Mark. I hope one day you
SW> will come to a knowledge of the truth. 

Oh, but Steve, I do know the truth. This is why I despise your 
religion/philosophy of life. I know the truth; I don't believe your 
pack of lies.


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  FOF update
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:02
EID:07c7 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd1
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-

SW> Wisdom is justified by her children Mark. 
MH> 
MH> Is that all you can do; babble? You're not understanding. I'm 
MH> beginning to think it's because you're willfully ignorant, Steve. Wise
MH> up, already.
SW> 
SW> Think what you will Mark, your opinion's dont mean a cent to me. 

It's not simply an opinion; it's a fact, Steve.

MH> lamenting upon. Focus of the Family isn't just providing 
MH> information on AOL, they're influencing it, and trying to 
MH> 'cleanse' it, to their satisfication and nobody else's. Let's say 
MH> they decide to do-away with laughing, virtually. "God wouldn't 
MH> approve," they say. Well, you're on your first offense. A couple 
MH> more, and you're gone. It's not a silly example, as they're 
MH> already banning what is, in only their opinion, malediction. If 
MH> they don't like what you say, they'll take action. It sounds 
MH> ridiculous, but hey. They are.
SW> 
SW> Well, if it's their online service or AOL supports focus on the
SW> family, then Focus on the family has the right to mediate what they
SW> feel is appropriate material and to censor what they deem as not. It
SW> is a comercial business Mark, not a democracey. 
MH> 
MH> You're wholly missing the point. FOF is redundant. People are 
MH> supposed to mediate their -own- fields of what they find tolerable,

MH> and what they don't. If you lack that judgement, I don't see why you

MH> should be permitted to live, nevermind reap enjoyment out of 
MH> privileges.
SW> 
SW> Your missing the point-They own it Mark, They can do what they will
SW> with   it. If you dont like it-dont subscribe Mark-Frankly, I really
SW> dont care. 

They -own- it? That's funny, I thought AOL owned AOL. Gee. And, 
wait, in the above quoted text, you say AOL ***supports*** FOF. It 
doens't sound like FOF owns -anything-, hitler-boy.

MH> "But, whoops. Steve says it's so. He -must- be right, no matter 
MH> how wrong he is. I guess I just don't have a choice; after all, this

MH> is North America -- a dictatorship. We don't have an opinion here, 
MH> right Steve?"
SW> 
SW> You have the choice to subscribe to it-and you have the choice not to.
SW> Be happy Mark, you have a freewill! You are able to enjoy what you
SW> will, and the right to do as you please. 

Oh, but Steve, read the following very carefully:

SW> Larry, you really do play the part of a fool well. If your so against
SW> Focus on the Family, then why do you call them and waist there time
SW> ordering  books from them? 
SW> 
SW> You actually cancelled your AOL membership becuase they are for Focus
SW> on the Family!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Wake up Larry! No matter what
SW> online service you call your gonna find information and people who dont
SW> share your exact same views in life. Being a man of an analitical
SW> mindset, you really  outdid yourself this time. 

It's funny, but you say we have the right to do what we want, but 
you imply Larry's 'stupid' for cancelling his subscription to an 
oppressive provider. Hm. Sounds like you're a HYPOCRITE!

MH> For one thing, AOL isn't at all worth subscribing to in the 
MH> first place. Second, they've severely crippled themselves, in what 
MH> they allow to pass through their net-flood gates. Third, they have 
MH> this silly organization that wants to enforce control over others' 
MH> free thought and will, through written-censorship.
SW> 
SW> It might not be worth subscribing for you but other's opinions may
SW> vary. If they want to censar what they deem immoral material, they have
SW> the right to do so. They have tons of subscribers and what might prove
SW> tolerable to  one might be offensive to another. One cant please
SW> everyone in life and there trying the best they can to clean up OAL
and
SW> make it into something family's can enjoy. That is there right if they
SW> choose to do so and I  support them on that.
MH> 
MH> You're a fool. We're individuals -- I don't want my individuality
MH> taken/stripped away, just because some pompous fool thinks they own

MH> the right to deem what they think is too explicit for me. I'm an 
SW> 
SW> Have you been modeming for so long that your computer is such an
SW> intrical  part of your life that when an online service changes to a
SW> more Christian like atmosphere, your whole individuality is
SW> taken/stripped away??? !!! 

What I *choose* to do, where I *choose* to go, and what I 
*choose* to read, are all part of my individuality, freedom of choice,
and personal rights. You want to know how they're stripping me of my
individuality? Easy: They're banning people from reading unassuming
material. They're banning material simply because they don't like it.
What if I did? What if I paid my dues, and they wouldn't let me read 
what I want, yet other providers would. *That's* how they're reneging 
on my individual choices.

MH> individual, and I have individual rights. I have, and only I have, the
MH> right to deign what I want to see/read/hear/say. We're not slaves, and
MH> I refuse to be a virtual/digital slave to some militant fundy group

MH> who're trying to 'save us.' From who, ourselves? Get bent. I like, and
MH> am happy, with who I am. I don't need you telling me, or some group

MH> dictating to me, what's right and wrong. I know those for myself; as

MH> an individual. As long as I abide by the law, they can't touch me.
SW> 
SW> Your talking like your on trial here Mark. In case you dont know, I
am
SW> not your judge. Take this for an example- Look at bbs's, there are some

You're not my judge? So why do you, and all your flunky religious 
friends here, tell me, and others, that we're "going to hell." [sic] 
You're such a two-faced liar.

MH> What's that, Steve? "Then they can switch to another echo or ... 
MH> start their own." Wow! That almost sounds like a judgement call, 
MH> something you were implying we're incapable of making. After all, if

MH> we were capable of making those, why would we need FOF to make them

MH> for us? Golly, I think you're full of shit. You hypocrite!
SW> 
SW> I real dont care what you think Mark, Im not trying to gain your
SW> respect. Again, your under the misguided notion that im trying to put
SW> you on trial, which is wrong. Like I said, Im not your judge Mark. Even

Stop telling me I'll burn in hell, then. Hypocrite.

SW> on footnote, I  preached freewill. If your too stiffnecked to see that

You preached religion, stupid.

SW> then thats your sorry problem. I believe in rights and freedoms guy.
SW> And if AOL chooses to be a Christian online service, guess what
SW> Mark...."Thats their right!" 

It is, but telling someone they're 'stupid' for cancelling their 
subscription is stupid. You're nothing but False Christian Scum!


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... Not tonight, dear.  I have a modem.
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Judgement
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:03
EID:7f53 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd2
-=> Quoting Kenneth Mcabee to Mark Hogan <=-

MH>      So, you're simply saying the Bible is your -sole- piece of
MH> evidence that 'God' exists. Sorry, we've played this game before.
MH> No proof, no god.

KM> The scriptures is all the evidence that one needs. Is it my only piece
KM> of evidence? No, not really, I have seen God's work many times. I've
KM> seen the answer to prayer that some here say they never saw while they
KM> were trying to be Christians. I've seen the changes in myself and in
KM> others because of God. No Mark you saying "No proof, no god" does not

Can't people be moral, and not believe in any specific religion? 
I find your implications farcical.

KM> cut it with me. *Your* just like a *jurior* that does not believe

That's "you're," and "juror," respectively.

KM> evidence. Just because YOU do not believe it, does not make it so.
KM> *Your* not the final authority on what is true or not. You cannot

"You're."

KM> *dispell* *God* just by saying, it ain't so. And if you can't

"Dispel."

KM> that, understand this; Since a Christian believes the Bible and
KM> follows it, and since the Bible tells us that there will be people
KM> like you that do not believe, those that mock Christ, those that
KM> disbelieve God, then why on earth would you try and convience us that
KM> God does not exist, we will not believe you anyway. Just like you will

Alright, I'll now address your message: For one thing, none of us 
are trying to convince you there is no 'God.' This is an echo in which 
the point is to debate the existence of religion. "Holy Smoke - 
Religious Debates." That -is- the name of the echo ... So, wanting 
some evidence in order to believe in a philosophy of life [which you 
and your kind preach about, incessantly] doesn't sound all that
demanding.

KM> come back from the dead and tell you that it is true? Because as Luke
KM> 16:31 says, if you will not believe Moses and the prophets, you will
KM> not believe. So when have we heard Moses and the prophets? Who do you
KM> think the Bible was about? 

You're asking me for my opinion on the bible? Alright -- it's a 
compilation of fictional stories [perhaps some based on real events, 
though possibly exaggerated and/or altered], designed to teach morality.
If thought about in that way, its inception was good natured, but they
went a little far on one point: they implied 'God' would smite those
that did not do what 'God' thought was right. That imposes upon free-will.

I don't agree with that ... now, you have people condemning others for 
'sinning.' "Oh! you'll burn in hell, you sinner!" "Fictional 
wonderland. Sorry; don't believe in that, either." People just got too 
obsessive about it. They forgot the point, if you ask me. Now they 
just use it to hate one another.


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly. -Voltaire
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:05
EID:628a 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd4
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-

SW> Through sin, the devil has rights to every soul that is not part of
MH> 
MH> What you call sin, others call free will. But on the topic of the
SW> 
SW> What I call sin, is called violation of the law. It might be your
SW> freewill to violate the law and hence; sin. But it reamins a fact that
SW> sin is a violation of the law.

By definition, a 'sin' is the breaking of RELIGIOUS LAW. If I 
don't believe in the religion, I'm not breaking any laws. They don't 
exist for me. I do, however, follow MUNICIPAL LAW. They're not the 
same, you addlepate!

MH> debbil ... how is he to claim anything on us if we don't believe in

MH> that Christian-spawned dunce?
SW> 
SW> If you went to the States and broke a law there and then came back to
SW> Canada,  and pretended nothing happened. That still wouldnt change the
SW> fact that you sinned(broke the governig laws). Now, if the US

They're not the same, you cretin!

MH> You have to understand, Steve; most of the people here that don't
MH> believe in God, don't believe in your debbil, either. They don't 
MH> believe in Christianity, period. For that matter, neither do I. 
SW> 
SW> Some do, some dont. I as a Christian can only do my part to preach
SW> what I know and to proclaim the excellencies of Christ. 

Look, by definition, one who is an atheist doesn't believe in 
ANYTHING. This includes your debbil!

SW> the body of Christ. God has already done His part in purchasing
SW> mankind. But it still falls on mans part to recieve the gift that God
MH> 
MH> Since when did I sell myself to your great Goat?
SW> 
SW> You never did Mark. But God,being great in grace and mercy took the

So how did he, and I quote you, 'purchase' me? When did I get 
sold into slavery?

SW> step for us and sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for us, hence;
SW> purchasing mankind from the devil. The debt against us has been paid.

He doesn't own me, which is what purchasing implies. You're such
a witless hominid!


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Tara Holland
|Sub:  IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:06
EID:0d2a 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd5
-=> Quoting Tara Holland to Marty Leipzig <=-

TH> it will be you who will burn for an eternity..in flames.

Is that all you and your kind can do, threaten? Sorry to break 
this to you, but fictional dens of fire don't frighten me. The only 
way I'll be damned [pun intended =)] is if I let people like you cow
me into taking people that say silly things [like the tripe you wrote] 
seriously.


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... Hey, I'm eating Barbie's feet!
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|From: Mark Hogan
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Larry Sites
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:20:07
EID:b031 203b6a80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310a6cd6
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Judith Bandsma <=-

JB> And what he said is mild compared to what I've wanted to say to her.
JB> Maria is like one of those bugs that is so ugly you just want to see
JB> it smeared across the sidewalk for the improvement it would make in
its
JB> appearance.

LB> That said (and basically agreed with), I could have done without Larry
LB> referencing female genitalia in his commentary -- it seems a bit of
an
LB> insult to a perfectly good part of a woman's anatomy.  I don't think
LB> I'll ever understand the male fascination with body parts as insult
LB> tools -- especially one they try to hard to gain access to. (G)

Having never used such words for insultations, I can only 
postulate that they do it to be insulting. Because most people [not 
just women] feel that particular, ahem, colloquialism is crude, 
regardless of what infers literally. Simply, they use it because they 
know it gets a rise out of people. Perhaps it has something to do with 
[subconscious] shame? People, in general, seem to care a lot about how 
they look, not just to others, but to themselves.

 To be bluntly honest, I don't know. =) 
The bottom line is, the usage of that word is childish.


"Morality is a disease which progresses in three stages:
virtue-boredom-syphilis. -Karl Kraus"

... We all live in a yellow subroutine ...
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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  ?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:32:02
EID:e6b2 203b6c00
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2a5a
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de5

25 Jan 96 01:38, Steve Wallis wrote to Preston Simpson:

SW>> God created everthing in perfection and pure Holiness. However,
SW>> He

PS>> A claim. Substantiate it without the Bible, s'il vous plait.

SW> My knowledge comes from the Word of God.

That much is glaringly obvious.

SW>  I am not required to prove
SW> anything to you.

Good thing that Preston didn't ask you to prove anything then, isn't it?
He asked you for some evidence.  Do you have any, dipshit?

PS>> Couldn't an omnipotent being have found a way to give us free
PS>> will without letting us choose evil?

SW> Nope.

Then he's not very omnipotent, is he?

SW> them  is up to God. God is fair and just.

Is he?  Tell it to the children of Sodom and Gamorrah.  Tell it to the Canaanite
children.  Tell it to the Midianite children.

Oops... waitaminute... they're all dead, aren't they?  Slaughtered by the
command of your "fair and just" God.  So much for that claim.

SW> will be required. And to him who has little, less will be required.

Lucky you.  You have *nothing*, so God doesn't require anything of you.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:36:31
EID:0c35 203b6c80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2a94
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de4

25 Jan 96 01:32, Steve Wallis wrote to Dave Ray:

SW> Well, its part of Christianity. Without the tithes and support from
SW> the congregation of believers, there wouldnt be churches.

Is God short of cash?  Has he gone into bankruptcy?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  ASKING SILLY QUESTIO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:44:33
EID:830d 203ba580
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a8f52

25 Jan 96 10:12, AL SCHROEDER wrote to JOHN PREWETT:

AS>> How long, according to your theory,
AS>> will it be before JFK returns and deceives us all?

JP>> Before Kissinger croaks.    I think before the year 2000.

AS>  Well, at least it's a definite, falsifiable prediction. (That's a
AS>  compliment, BTW.) If Kissinger croaks without anything happening,
AS> would you abandon your theories? Not saying you have to, just curious.

Al.  If Kissinger does croak and nothing happens, Prewitt's just gonna say
K isn't *really* dead.  He's just hiding somewhere with JFK waiting for
the best moment to strike.  Prewitt will die one day, still wondering why
the AntiChrist and his sidekick haven't made their move.



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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Brice 1/5
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:17:32
EID:8639 203b6a20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a261b
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a02055a

24 Jan 96 23:32, Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote to David Worrell:

KM>   I wish we'd been able to log the chase at the end.

At the time, I didn't know you *could* log IRC. :)  I do now.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:03:49
EID:99b7 203b6860
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a22da
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086ef9

26 Jan 96 01:04, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:

DW>> Could it be time for Janet Tyler to make another appearance? :)

RJ>         Nah.  She could be one of the better ones on this echo if
RJ>         y'all give her a fighting chance.  Then again, maybe not.

I was willing to until she dug in her heels where Miller is concerned.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:37:28
EID:e89d 203b6ca0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2aca
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de6

25 Jan 96 01:53, Steve Wallis wrote to Preston Simpson:

PS>> Who is mocking Christ? There's no profit in mocking the dead.

SW> True, there is no point in mocking the dead. But Christ is Alive and
SW> doing well guy.

Really?  If this is the case, then no sacrifice was made and we're *all*
going to Hell.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:23:34
EID:8203 203b6ae0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2903

24 Jan 96 20:48, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:

AS> but I'm not a Luddite.

Now you've done it.  McCullough's gonna spend the next three weeks telling
you Luddites aren't that bad :)

DW>> around the other side.  What happened, you ask?  The plasma shot
DW>> out the junction between the two sides.  Bureaucracies can fuck
DW>> *anything* up.

AS>  Oy vey. Where is Thomas Edison when we need him? Scientific discovery
AS> by committee. No WONDER we haven't gotten very far in forty-five
AS> years.

The sciences today (especially where energy research in concerned) are beginning
to resemble the conflict in Vietnam.  Instead of letting people who were
trained to do a job do that job, the government feels an overpowering need
to micromanage everything.  It's almost enough to make me wish I had gone
into accounting.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:38:23
EID:b89c 203b6cc0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2b19
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de7

25 Jan 96 02:08, Steve Wallis wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:

SW> George spoke with maturity and knowledge

You really think so?  I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the George
you are referring to us one of us evil heathens.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:20:59
EID:fa1f 203ba280
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a89af
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086efb

26 Jan 96 01:04, Robert Jackson wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:

RJ>         And you don't even have to "suck up" to realize Steve is one
RJ>         of the more beknightedly unintelligent people to appear

RJ>         was a blast.  I often had to jump out of my chair and
RJ>         pace the room a couple of times before figuring out how
RJ>         to reply to some of his nuggets of whizdumb.

You too, huh?  Glad I'm not the only one.


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|From: David Worrell
|To:   The Schizoid
|Sub:  HA!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:39:57
EID:e092 203b6ce0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2bfd
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3107032d

25 Jan 96 03:58, The Truth Teller wrote to FSNS Goliath BBS:

TT> Unless you name is Rice in which case you have the right to alter
TT> posts to your heart's content without any measure of censure taken
TT> against you.

Fred has *never* modified your *posts*, Jimbo.

FGB>> The most valuable contributors,
FGB>> who provide references to what they say, are very seldom
FGB>> flamed -- if you don't like flames, stick to posting what you
FGB>> know or can validate.

TT>  Only don't bother with references from the Bible.

Yep.  You also shouldn't bother with references from the Koran, the Upanishads,
the Arthur myth, the Greek and Roman myths, Sumerian myths, or any other
such nonsense.

TT>  have no hope in life and therefore chose to abuse the intellect of
TT>  believers.



Jimbo, you have nothing to abuse.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  HI
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:05:58
EID:3181 203b68a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2382
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086efa

26 Jan 96 01:04, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:

DW>> Why are you here, moron?  Didn't get enough abuse the first time
DW>> around?

RJ>         I'm convinced that was a brice.  That particular Psycho Ward
RJ>         was posting out of Waco, and I think the Psycho we got to
RJ>         know and love for all his funny little quirks was from Ala-
RJ>         bama or some such area that allows Gulf water contaminats to
RJ>         build up large amounts of lead and arsenic in fundy brains.

I'm pretty sure the original Ward posted from somewhere in Texas too.  He
just acted like a 'bamy.


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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  HI
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:18:53
EID:3181 203b6a40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2658
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086ee8

25 Jan 96 00:37, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:

LB>>> Does this mean I *finally* have an "ilk"??!
RJ>> Well, it's still sort of an "ilklet"...
DW>> Damnit.  I asked for an ilk before she did.  Where the hell is
DW>> mine?!

RJ>         Hmm...maybe JJ and I are part of the ilklet?  Seems like
RJ>         we're three of those who like to ask the most snide questions
RJ>         of the non-xian believers of hoodoo. 

We're equal opportunity blasphemers...

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Judgement
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:44:40
EID:a866 203b6d80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2cce
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de3

25 Jan 96 01:28, Steve Wallis wrote to J.J. Hitt:

SW> In the Bible it states

You never learn, do you?

SW> "Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war in
SW> the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but
SW> mighty
SW> through God, to the pulling down of strongholds,

Which strongholds have you pulled down?

SW> casting down
SW> imaginations,

Have you cast down any imaginations lately?

SW> and ever high thing that exalts itself against the
SW> knowledge of God.

Have you pulled down a "high thing that exalts itself..." lately?

Hmmm... seems like God forgot to give you any of these weapons you speak
of.



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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  PRESTON'S TEMPER TANTRUM.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:19:44
EID:5e07 203b6a60
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a26a0

25 Jan 96 04:12, Judith Bandsma wrote to David Worrell:

RJ>> Make sure you use lots of big words, so he can say
RJ>> "What?"        for all eternity.

DW>> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.

JB> Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.
JB> 

Yeah.  He loses his place somewhere between the second and third letter,
and has to start all over again.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Karen Davis
|Sub:  Test
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:47:15
EID:36e7 203b6de0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2cfa
REPLY: 1:207/212 20191759

25 Jan 96 20:03, Karen Davis wrote to All:

KD> This is a test of my new setup.

Got it.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 27 Jan 96  20:49:08
EID:8483 203ba620
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a9001

25 Jan 96 07:14, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ZAYD ALLEBBAN:

ZA>> mine.  I won't stand for this blasphemy and if you don't want to
ZA>> carry on a civilized discussion, I don't want to hear from you
ZA>> again.

AS>  A little clue; and I am a Christian believer, not an Islamic one. In
AS> this echo ALL gods are mocked. If you can't stand the blasphemy, this
AS> echo is NOT for you. It's sort of a giant religious food fight. I like
AS> it simply because everybody is fairly frank, but it's not for the
AS> easily offended.

I seem to have scared the poor boy off.  Looks like I would have made a
good Crusader. :)



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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:07:37
EID:f981 203b68e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a2462
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017c

24 Jan 96 08:29, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:

AM>> Natural science by definition precludes God.

DW>> Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural
DW>> sciences "preclude" God.

AM>         Huh? what does "natural science" mean to you?

Irrelevant.  You made a statement.  I'm asking you to clarify it.  Where
do any of the natural sciences "preclude" God.  Stop shuffling and answer
the question.

DW>> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?

AM>    No, abortionists do.

Ignoring your blantantly false statement for the moment, are you calling
God an abortionist?

AM>         All in due time.

Ah, yes.  When all else fails, attempt to cow the unbeliever with threats
of eternal torment.  I guess it's just to damn bad that you're unable to
provide any evidence for any of your claims, isn't it?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:11:05
EID:f981 203b6960
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a249a
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017d

24 Jan 96 08:47, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:

AM>> How often do you hear people say why does God allow such evil to
AM>> exist? A points reached when God judges a land.

DW>> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified
DW>> abomionations, yet he does not judge Nazi Germany?  That's a
DW>> pretty fucked up God you worship.

AM>         Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond? Where
AM> is the thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and terminated.

Got any evidence that God was the one doing the judging?  From the history
I read, it looks the the Allies were the ones doing the judgement.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  VIRGIN
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:12:03
EID:14f0 203b6980
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a24d8
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017e

24 Jan 96 08:57, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:

-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-

DW>> 18 Jan 96 07:16, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:

-=>>> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-

DW>>> Do you have any evidence for creationism?  If so, please present
DW>>> it.

AM>> Yes, request denied,

DW>> Why won't you present the evidence you claim to have, Andrew?
DW>> Could it be because you realize you have no evidence?

AM>         As you well know,

Irrelevant.  Where is your evidence for creationism, liar?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  WHY
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:15:46
EID:6e9b 203b69e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310a25ce

25 Jan 96 08:40, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:

DW>> Have you ever considered the fact that his definition of despair
DW>> might differ from yours?  Most of the sob stories I've heard from
DW>> Christians do not fall under my definition of despair.

AS>  Don made the same point; I meant despair as the feeling you get when
AS> you are in a hopeless situation, where you can't see any way out. I
AS> think a lot of us have been in that position at one time or another.
AS> That doesn't mean you think LIFE is hopeless, though, just that
AS> particular situation.

I define despair as thinking that LIFE is hopeless - thus I have (obviously)
never felt depsair.

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|From: Styx Allum
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Religious Experience
|Date: 23 Jan 96  12:38:00
EID:4df2 203764c0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0b8c65ad
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 1043d251
>SA> I prefer to base my opinions on what I observe of Newt,
>SA> rather than to swallow the bullshit fed to everyone by
>SA> the "news networks".

> And just how do you do that without going through the media?  Rush
> Limbaugh is biased as well, perhaps he just has a slant on things
> that you identify with more easily.

Rush allows you to see and hear exactly what Newt says, as he rolls
video clips of him.  Quite often, he will then document that many of
the primary media sources misquoted what was actually stated/intended.

> There is no way to get the true scoop unless you are actually there.
> Otherwise everything is filtered through someone along the line.

Read again what I wrote above:

I prefer to base my opinions on what I observe of Newt,
rather than to swallow the bullshit fed to everyone by
the "news networks".

For better or worse, Rush shows video footage of the actual people;
so that you can better understand how the media incorrectly reports
what so many gullible people accept as fact "on faith".

Biased opinion is one thing.  Biased/incorrect reporting is another.
Watch C-SPAN to see them live and uneditted.  Watch Rush for the
best highlights.

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|From: Styx Allum
|To:   Todd Andlar
|Sub:  receiving?
|Date: 26 Jan 96  21:04:01
EID:b1e1 203aa880
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REPLY: 1:250/1004 09840135
>          anybody receiving us?

You made it to Oregon (from wherever you are...)!
Welcome to HolySmoke.
-Styx

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|From: Styx Allum
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  HI
|Date: 26 Jan 96  21:19:02
EID:b72c 203aaa60
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0d153394
Al Schroeder to Annette Spence:
(AS to AS)

> I want to say that I've enjoyed your posts, but we HAVE to do
> something about your initials...I was here FIRST.
> Seriously, though, it IS weird to see someone else quoted
> as "AS>" besides yours truly.

The reverse is also true.  [ref: SA] ;-)
Whenever Sue Armstrong gets quoted, I instinctively go "WHAT?!
I never said THAT!"  :-D

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|From: Styx Allum
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Jim Staal
|Date: 26 Jan 96  21:24:03
EID:8199 203aab00
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0d153395
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3103bb93
>LB> I don't make my friends pass a theology exam in order
>LB> to qualify --

> I guess it doesn't say 'Making Friends Echo' on the roster. I says
> 'Religion Debate Echo'. I have many friends who do not believe.

That you are really friends?  ;-)

> I have friends who do not believe as I do.

Should we take that on faith?

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|From: Frederick Leff
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  flood
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:19:52
EID:7e21 203bb260
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 31080179
MSGID: 1:152/20.666 10aecd10
Andrew Masten wrote in a message to Dan Ceppa:

AM> Save your breath. I know you don't accept that as
AM> evidence or believe  the written account.

True.

AM> From a scientific view, all of history is suspect, because  it 
AM> only happened once and it can't be repeated.

You need to figure out what the scienticif method is all about.  Science
has a little something called "evidence" that certain things happened in
the past.  Your global flood story is not one of these.

AM> Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me 
AM> newspapers and video.  You could simply swear it
AM> happened. But how do I know your not just making  it up. Or
AM> the newspapers are just lying and the video was doctored. 

Sure, and the same can be said of your bible.  How do you know that it was
not altered in such a way as to make it more acceptable to the masses.

AM> What I would really like to know, is why your so bent out of 
AM> shape  about people who believe in the bible.

Because we here in HS feel sorry for you believing in a load of crap.

AM> What doctrine is in the bible that  makes you angry.

The Genesis story, the Noah's Ark flood story, the christ story, the Moses
story, etc... etc... 

-Frederick

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|From: Frederick Leff
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  flood
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:26:40
EID:908f 203bb340
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017b
MSGID: 1:152/20.666 10aecd11
Andrew Masten wrote in a message to Robert Jackson:


AM> He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.

Really?  Your jeesus chrusties thought he was a god, therefore his god was
a fool!  Therefore, your god is a fool...

You said so yourself!


-Frederick

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|From: Frederick Leff
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:29:18
EID:72b0 203bb3a0
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3108017c
MSGID: 1:152/20.666 10aecd12
Andrew Masten wrote in a message to David Worrell:

AM> No, there excluded because scientists don't believe
AM> the possibility  of supernatural agencies to be sceince.

Perhaps, but sometimes science sees something as supernatural, but after
studying it for a while sees it as natural, and then is a part of science.

AM> Why we are here

You are assuming there is a reason.  Not very good logic here, dude!

AM> Who or what caused the big bang?

We do not know.... yet.  What's your point?

AM> What does it all mean?

What does what mean?  Again, you are assuming there is a reason why we are
here.  Perhaps there is no reason, outside what we humans make for ourselves.

DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?

AM>    No, abortionists do.

Tell that to the millions of people killed by the global flood you say took
place.

AM> If you had the slightest idea who God is, you would run to Him
AM> and not from Him.

OK, who is he?


-Frederick

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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To:   Coridon Henshaw
|Sub:  THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 27 Jan 96  07:47:00
EID:3778 203b3de0
-=> Quoting Coridon Henshaw to Judith Bandsma <=-

CH> Reminds me of Wing On funeral homes here in Toronto...

Do they have a crematory? Would that division be known as 'Hot Wing On'?


... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.

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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 27 Jan 96  07:59:00
EID:ae83 203b3f60
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Katherine Wintersnight <=-

LB> GIFs would give them any problem....UNLESS!  Could it have to do with
LB> some sort of licensing restrictions?!  Maybe the porn lobby has
LB> exclusive rights to such things?!

That would make sense except for one thing...if they allowed CI$ to continue
all they would have to do is charge a 'tax', similar to the tv tax, on those
holding CI$ accounts. 


... 1024 x 768 x 256?"  Sounds like one mean woman!

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Tara Holland
|Sub:  Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:12:34
EID:9c22 203b9980
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7893
REPLY: 901:100/116 30FFD552
TH> it will be you who will burn for an eternity..in flames.

My, how (typically) loving of you.

TH> I am sorry for all of you who do not see the glory in loving the Lord.

Are you also sorry for those who do not see the glory in loving Mickey
Mouse?

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Re: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:16:13
EID:5aea 203b9a00
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7894
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 31078cb5
MH>> with everything he says, I too find it a little disturbing for
MH>> you to join with the non-Christians in ridiculing those who are
MH>> more theologically conservative than you.

That's right, Lynda!  How _dare_ you ridicule fundies in front of all
these atheists!  Especially when "more theologically conservative than
you" includes Mikey.

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Re: One God
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:20:49
EID:b5dc 203b9a80
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7895
BJ> I truly feel sorry for you, because you don't believe in Jesus!!

And I feel sorry for you, because you don't believe in Daisy, the
invisible pink flying hippo who is even now shitting intangible turds on
your forehead (prove she isn't :-).

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Re: The Light
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:23:48
EID:af96 203b9ae0
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7896
BJ> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
BJ> I would like to share it with you to save you time looking it
BJ> up.

I must confess this burden of guilt that's tearing me to pieces
I was eating worms and spreading germs and various diseases
I loped along the bayou like an old hound dog
When the smell of frogs was in the wind
They were soft and cold and dripping
And I loved to feel them slipping
Right out of their flacid froggy skins
Yes, I was a teenage toadsucker before I discovered Jesus.
Oh, Jesus!
-- AB

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Self-debunking fundies
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:38:46
EID:c63f 203bacc0
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7897
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 3107d5e7
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism?  If so, please present
DW>> it. If not, kindly stop your whining.

AM> Yes, request denied, no.

ROFL!  Familiar with Hector' Law?

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   John Brawley
|Sub:  Re: Violating physics -- use a condom.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:29:09
EID:6759 203c03a0
SPTH: Fidonet#1:380/16
MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310ac232
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 a2a82e7e
JB> In that sense, the nonlocality contains gods (us)

We're humans, John.  You seem to be confused -- do you mean us humans,
or something else termed "gods?"  Sorry, I won't buy you calling humans
something other than humans to salvage your position.  Which is it?

JB> All of this has little to do with understanding _physics_

ROFL!  Oh, come now, John -- you are aware that science very purposely
_doesn't_ address what can't be evidenced, aren't you?  And that physics
is science?

JB> c) Bohm's "pilot waves," and most other attempts at the "meaning of"
JB> quantum mechanics, are inherently nonlocal theories, the only one
JB> escaping being Everett's utterly nonfalsifiable Many Worlds formulation.

Oops -- MWI (several forms including decoherence, many histories and
many minds), the Copenhagen interpretation, Bohm's "pilot wave"
interpretation (several forms) and transactional interpretations all
allow for nonlocality.  John Bell (a name you like to drop :-) agrees
with that -- why don't you?

JB> Do I claim that nonlocality has "gods hiding in it?"  NO. Not in the
JB> least.

Wasn't it you who said "In that sense, the nonlocality contains gods
(us)" above?  :-)

JB> it also contains a _single_ "imprint" of us and all others taken at
JB> once, and is not limited in size or containing ability.

A tire track is not a tire, John, nor does the mold of a brain appear to
think.  Try again.

JB> So misrepresent what I actually say, all you like.

How can I possibly misrepresent what you say when you won't actually say
anything but metaphysical gobbledygook and chant the names of scientists
who don't back up your musings as if they would help you anymore than the
typical "nameless scientists" of the other fundies?  :-)

JB> Don't waste your time with the likes of _me_; I'm just another
JB> meta-physician.

Why, John, that's what we're here for, remember?  :-)

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub:  Re: paul
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:32:05
EID:388d 203c0400
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GtP>>>> Not according to his own words.  Acts 22:27-28

MH>>  Did you not get my post on that? According to Paul's statements
MH>>  recorded in Acts

Just a note -- Saul's "own words" don't appear in Acts -- it was written
much later than Saul's letters by someone else who didn't sign his work.

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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  Re: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 28 Jan 96  01:01:08
EID:682f 203c0820
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MSGID: Fidonet#1:380/16 310ac237
SR>>>> Just shut-up and show us your gawd(s) already.

AS>>> Well, THERE is a thinking response. Now, let me make this clear;
AS>>> you want  me to show you the anthropic 'coincidences'?

Why?  I thought you were going to show us some evidence, not flaunt your
ignorance _again_.  Sorry, Al, it doesn't mean gods musta dunnit just
because you don't understand it.  It just means you don't understand it.

SR>> Sigh.  Naturally, the mind of a fundy at work.  Ask to see their
SR>> reams of bloated text which describes them all in perfectly minute
SR>> detail...minus any substance.

AS> Still haven't answered the question.

No, you haven't answered the question -- that's exactly what he was
trying to tell you.

AS> Oh, STEVE...exactly HOW does this attitude differ from, say, the
AS> Creationist who refused to read "reams of bloated detail which describes
AS> them all in perfectly minute detail" but later claims it is "minus any
AS> substance"? Or the Flat Earther who refuses to read the evidence for
the
AS> round earth?

Rather obviously, Al, you've posted your arguments from ignorance
several dozen times, and he's _already_ seen them.  He would now like
you to show some actual evidence rather than see you tell us that we
don't know how x got to be x _again_.

AS> You've never seen dinosaurs.

Seen their bones, Al.  Visit a museum.  Or go to central Texas and dig
up your own.

AS> Save through pictures, which could be faked, you probably never saw
the
AS> round Earth, either.

You can see a sail gradually disappear _below_ the horizon, Al, and the
shape of the earth's shadow on the moon.  You can even measure the
diameter of the earth with reasonable accuracy without space-borne
instrumentation.

AS> You never saw the Big Bang

Mathematical proof exists for that one, Al, based on overwhelming
observational evidence.

AS> and you cannot verify by looking at it that space is curved.

ROFL!  It's been done, Al.  During the next solar eclipse, take a look
at a star _behind_ it to see gravitational lensing.

Note that all the above are believable _because there's evidence to back
them up_.  Note that your claims are not believable because of the
_lack_ of evidence.  Get the picture yet?

AS> SOME of us, boyo, actually DO look at evidence

But, oddly enough, are never able to produce it for anyone else to look
at.  What you do manage to produce is ignorance and claims -- those
aplenty, but of evidence not a peep.

SR>> What's wrong...got no gawds to produce for us, today?  So instead we
SR>> only get prepared speeches?  How very protective you are of your
SR>> fantasy worlds.

AS> I'm sure the Bishop who debated Huxley about Darwin thought the
AS> same thing about evolution, and their "fantasy worlds" of dinosaurs
AS> and such.

Sorry, Al, you'll need to back up your claims with some evidence before
you can compare yourself to Darwin.  Right now, it's more appropriate to
compare you to Bozo the Clown.  Who decided to name you "Al Schroeder"
when they cloned Hugh Ross, anyway?

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The HOLYSMOKE echo exists so that off-topic religious issues from other
echoes
in Fidonet may be moved to an echo where they are topical.  No one in the
past
four years has yet succeeded in helping any theist think past their
brainwashing, but there's always the chance that some god-believing cash-cow
will stop denying reality, so we continue to try.

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atheist   One who has no belief in deities.  See 3.x for details.
Atheist   Member of Amarican Athiests, inc.
athiest   Used by theists to refer to those without morals.
agnostic  An atheist without guts.
fundi     Religous fundamentalist.  See 3.6 for details.
liberal   Anyone winning an argument with a creationist.
Hir       Gender-neutral noun, "Her + Him = Hir."

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3.1  Q:   What is HOLYSMOKE?
A:   HOLYSMOKE is Fidonet's only non-denominational, uncensored religion
debate echo.  Debates such as fundies vs athists can be conducted
here without danger of loosing your feed, like in other areas such
as HOLY_BIBLE or any other "christian" echo.

3.2  Q:   Why was HOLYSMOKE created?
A:   The moderator (Styx Allum) originally started the echo as a joke on
some local fundies.  It took off from there.

3.3  Q:   What kind of behavior is alowed here?
A:   Most anything, including flames.  One thing that will get you
booted is modification of other people's quotes.  If somebody says
fuck and you quote them and change 'fuck' to 'f***' or some other
variation, you will be clobbered.  Check the rules (posted on an
ad-hoc basis by the moderator) for more information.

3.4  Q:   Are "flames" allowed?
A:   Flames are EXPECTED.  You will be treated with respect and courtesy
if you extend it.  The most valuable contributors, who provide
references to what they say, are very seldom flamed -- if you don't
like flames, stick to posting what you know or can validate.
Saying "Because I say so," "Because I was told so" or reading
'PROOF' where someone wrote 'EVIDENCE' will turn you medium-rare.

A:   It, seriously, depends on how you look at it.  There are times when
a "polite" discourse just doesn'tget the message across.  Then, the
board between the eyes to get your attention works.  [Dan Ceppa]

.4.1 Q:   Will argument from authority get me flamed?
A:   Depends on the authority, and if you keep all quotes in context and
content.  Claiming that several bright people support your
assertions therefore your assertions are true DOES NOT make it so.
Don't quote an astronomer on issues of biology, and a biologist on
cosmology-- which is standard Creationist tactics-- because you
will get roasted.  Saying "Einstein believed in God (he didn't)
therefore you should" will also get you roasted-- bright people CAN
and DO believe silly things; just because someone is well educated
in one field does not make hir an expert in other fields.

.4.2 Q:   Will poor spelling get flamed?
A:   Often we see theists who mix up "Their, there, and they're," "Too,
to, and two," "atheist" as "athiest," and "your" for "you're." They
then in that very same message proclaim to reveal the secrets of
God, the Universe, Life and all the Really Great Questions humans
have pondered for a dozen millennia-- somehow a crappy speller
telling us they know what no one else does just doesn't seem
likely.  If one does not know the difference between "Their" and
"they're" worth a Goat Belch, isn't it rather PRETENTIOUS for one
to be telling us all about how much one knows about god and the
universe?!

3.5  Q:   Why is the phrases "You seem bitter" and "My, you're so full of
anger" so often used by religionists in HolySmoke?
A:   These phrases are often used as replies to excessively abrasive
arguments by an agnostic or atheist that has demonstrated the
religionist's pet assertions false; the religionist resorts to
eliciting an emotional response instead of addressing the topic at
hand.
A:   You may be missing the point.  The people who are ridiculed (as it
were) are not those who profess a simple belief in a creator; they
are those who insist their beliefs are correct and we MUST ALL bow
down before GOD before we all roast in Hell.  Then there are those
who make ridiculous claims about the veracity of their "Book" and
attempt to use pseudo-science to "prove" they are right.  As for
myself, I could care less who a person worships, although I usually
strongly disagree with their intent.  As a secular student of
biblical times, I have learned a lot about what Christianity was
really all about (IMHO) and what life was like in first-century
Judah.  Personally, I feel those who take the Bible literally and
those who follow Pauline thought should study more, and attempt to
understand what was REALLY going on!  By far the biggest problem
though, are those who insist I should pay to support their
religion.  Our city supports a separate school system for
Catholics, and the duplication of services and buildings costs
every one of us.  There are many examples of religion being pushed
on those who do not wish it.  We who do NOT wish to have anything
to do with religion must suffer through innumerable disturbances
from people who insist their religion should be in the forefront.
THOSE are the people who are the targets of ridicule in this echo!
[John Musselwhite]

3.6  Q:   What is a `fundi'? (Also, fundy, fundies)
A:   FUNDIE (fun'dee) n. and adj.  (pl.  Fundies), A member of an
American conservative religious movement that believes in biblical
inerrancy.  This movement had its roots in the nineteenth-century
orthodox reaction to the higher (historico- literary) criticism of
the Bible that originated among European theologians and was
accepted by American "modernists".  Fundamentalism owes its name to
the "Five Fundamentals", a list of five beliefs that the
Presbyterian General Assembly drew up in 1910 as being essential to
the Christian faith.  Among those fundamentals was the doctrine
of biblical inerrancy.

Fundies (scientifically: Homo nesciens idiotus) come in two
varieties; (about more later) but are united by the belief that
each and every word ("jot and tittle") of the Holy Writ (at least,
their latest authorized version) is unequivocally true.  When they
find a text convenient to an argument, it is quotable as the
ultimate truth.  But when confronted with an apparent
contradiction, however rational and logical, they sail away upon
the wings of a symbol, an analogy of hidden or recondite
significance.

Although two separate and distinct "kinds" of fundies exist,
(H.n.i.  var. ruralensis and H.n.i.  var.  urbanensis), they can be
typically identified by their ubiquitous possession of a heavily
thumped (but seldom read) Bible; an almost cataleptic and
unquestioned adherence to dated dogma and the extraordinarily
annoying ability of being able to interject their own personal
version of ethics and morality into almost any subject, no matter
how abstruse.  As a group, they are exasperatingly uni-dimensional.

H.n.i.  var.  ruralensis can be typified as a backwoods rustic
living among the 'possums, 'coons, 'dillos and magnolias who is
functionally illiterate.  Though some may become transplanted to
more municipal settings; they stubbornly adhere to old habits:
mouth breathing, barefootedness and brainless Bible-based bleating.

A macroevolutionary jump (although most would argue that it is
really a regressive event) is responsible for the other variety:
H.n.i.  var. urbanensis.  They arose from their humbler cousins in
the deep, dark, dank backwoods but have evolved to exploit the
trophism of bright lights, television cameras, teleprompters and
wireless communication.  Basically, a member of this group can be
described as a country bumpkin of the wacko-right turned religious
zealot and usually named Billy, Jimmy, Oral or some other familiar
sobriquet.  They drape the mantle of Christian piety around their
shoulders (which they carefully interweave with the American
flag), and stomping off on a witch hunt; ferret out "fellow
travelers", "one-worlders", that archenemy of all right thinking
people: the "secular humanist", and other assorted bogeymen.  With
a primitive view of this world and a psychedelic view of the next,
they harangue lost sinners (and those with the ability to think for
themselves) in an impassioned and declamatory style to "REPENT!"
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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  Asmo does 'em all.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:51:51
EID:1171 203bb660
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310aacd1

26 Jan 96 10:28, Steve Quarrella wrote to Marty Leipzig:

ML>> Just let Asmo try and cop that attitude down Texas way.
ML>> He'll receive a nifty chest ventilation system for his
ML>> efforts.

SQ> You would be so merciful as to simply shoot him for his efforts?

I would, but not in the chest.  I'd kneecap his silly ass.  In both knees.

Did I mention I use a 12 gauge and sabots?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Kevin Aure
|Sub:  Conference Guidelines
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:50:54
EID:a3ed 203bb640
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310aac62
REPLY: 1:107/634 0d81822b

25 Jan 96 23:38, Kevin Aure wrote to Les Wilcox:

KA> Hey, hey. Watch out what Christians you make fun of.  Some others
KA> might get offended.

So?  Whatcha gonna do about it, little boy?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Asmodeus
|Sub:  Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  22:39:33
EID:e5b1 203bb4e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310aabc4

25 Jan 96 16:21, Asmodeus wrote to J.J. Hitt:

J>> Today is Day ELEVEN of Satanic Curse Number One.
J>> Nothing has happened.
J>> You have only TWO DAYS to prepare Satanic Curse Number Two.
J>> Get your shit together!
J>> Hurry! Hurry!

A> And what shit might that be?

Whatever shit it takes to put a *real* curse on somebody.

A> What great devices would I require to send an assault on such a
A> weakling as yourself?

Obviously, it would require greater devices than you currently have access
to.

A>  One who is so unsecure in his masculinity,

How do you know JJ is a male?

A>  and who has such low self-esteem, that he goes
A> about attempting to be strong,

Sounds remarkably like someone else I know.  Now what was his name?  Hmmm...
Asmo-clusterfuck?  No, that's not quite right.  Asmo-dipshit?  No, that's
not it either. Oh!  It was Asmodeus!  Yeah, that's it.  You just gave a
damn good description of the image you project.

A> what he says will cause him no harm.  You and all the losers who do
A> this shit are such a disgrace to the human populace, you should all be
A> taken out and put on a display, yeah, like Spartacus and his followers
A> were.

Really?  Come to Knoxville.  I'll buy the lumber, the nails, and any other
material you need to crucify me.  Then I'll let you try.  Don't be too upset
when your silly ass ends up on the cross, though.

Don't threaten me, you silly little git.  If you have the balls, you're
more than welcome to try to match actions to your words.  Your threats are
even less scary than the threats made by the Christians.

A>  But I doubt if we have enough roads to put you all up beside
A> them.

All you need is one road for me.  When can I expect you?

A> Anyway, I have a question for you. Since I am such a nice guy,
A> what would you like to receive?

I want you to put a curse on me that will make me go blind.  Simple, huh?
Can you do it?

A> can either phuck you up real good, or if you make a clear apology,
A> posted to all, I will forgive you.



You're full of yourself tonight, aren't you?

A> I am not wussing-out,

"Wussing-out" would imply that you were not a "wuss" at one point.  You've
*always* been a "wuss" though, so you cannot "wuss out".


A>  so to speak,
A> merely offering you a way to avoid your imminent suffering.

We're *really* scared, Asmo-diddly.  Really we are.  Shaking in our fucking
boots.  Would I lie to you?

A>  I seriously would dislike having to hear of your suffering, when
A> you have not angered me in the least.

What would it take to anger you?  I want to make sure I get a *real* curse.

A> So, I leave you with a decision, actually a couple. Apologize to me,
A> in a letter to all,

Fuck you and all the "demons" you rode in on, junior.

Curse me, chickenshit.


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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:05:05
EID:03a4 203bb8a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310aaffb
REPLY: 1:124/9005 3108a1da

26 Jan 96 09:39, Steve Quarrella wrote to Lump:

L>> .....Yes, it was, but marty said  the above quote earlier in
L>> the     movie...

SQ> Wrong.

L>> I remember when Duvall said, when he was in his cubby as
L>> Sheen was coming to kill him....

SQ> Er, did we see the same movie?

I get the feeling that Lumpy saw "Afuckalypse Now", or some other cheesy
porn knock-off of "Apocalypse Now".

(No, I don't know if there is a porno titled "Afuckalypse Now".  It wouldn't
surprise me, though).

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  The Light
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:07:10
EID:1c44 203bb8e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310ab044
REPLY: 1:124/9005 31089ffa

26 Jan 96 09:32, Steve Quarrella wrote to Brad Jackson:

BJ>> + Origin: The Holo-Deck Hamilton Ont. Can. (905)578-5746
BJ>> (1:244/108)

SQ> Aha...so I can be certain you've heard the track in question.

Have you noticed a strange connection between fundies and BBSes with Star
Trek themes?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Asmodeus
|Sub:  White-lighter Religions
|Date: 27 Jan 96  23:07:54
EID:57c8 203bb8e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310ab0ad

25 Jan 96 16:02, Asmodeus wrote to Chris Leblond:

C>> of magick is a little tainted if you ask me...

A> It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or
A> beneficial results.

Except when *you* do it, right?  Your curses seem to have no results at
all.

A> It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser

Since all Satanists I've seen are remarkably similar to you, I can't really
be blamed for picturing all Satanists as losers.

I'm still waiting on my curse.

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|From: Stuart Lumgair
|To:   All
|Sub:  hi there !
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:27:32
EID:7977 203b8360
MSGID: 1:153/556.0 10ab5530
Hello All!

Well, I'm baaaaaaack !  Looks like everybody is still having fun. I'll try
to break in on a few threads one of these days.

Stuart


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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Snake handlers
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:24:00
EID:4c3c 203b9b00
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba161
And Brave Sir Lynda ran away, screaming "Snake handlers"!

JB> I live in an urban area with cats. You know what's worse than finding
JB> a snake in your house? Finding half of one! I know it's an old joke,
JB> but when you have indoor/outdoor cats, it does happen. Happened with
JB> one of the neighborhood outdoor cats just the other day...I found half
JB> a snake in my greenware building. Yuck!

LB> (G)  I remember one time in particular that my cat reminded me that
LB> she WAS, in fact, a cat -- I came upon her in the living room, hopping
LB> up and down, batting at something.  Thinking she'd gotten ahold of one
LB> of my skeins of embroidery thread, I leaned over to take it away from
LB> her....and laid ahold of a baby bird, still alive.   Sheba seemed
LB> puzzled at my dismay, and was more than a little miffed that I didn't
LB> let her finish her game. 

I sat reading in my living room once, when my mom still owned the 
house. I heard a buzzing noise, very loud, coming from 
who-knows-where.  A look around the room revealed only the elder 
cat sitting in the middle of the floor with a content look on her 
face.  Looked outside - nothing.  Then I homed in on the sound, 
and started following it - sure enough, the buzzing was coming - 
of all places - from the cat.  Seems she had a live cicada in her 
mouth, and was enjoying the vibrations the insect was making in 
her mouth.

Another time, my mom was trapped on the couch, terrified, because 
both cats were playing a game of "catch" with a live mouse, 
throwing it back and forth to each other (she's terrified of 
rodents, or anything that looks like a rodent, including 
lagomorphs.)  UNfortunately for her, I was living out of town at 
the time, so she had to wait until they moved their game elsewhere 
before she could go anywhere.  I never found out what happened to 
the mouse, though.

--Wolfie


To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." - Orwell
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  THE LION KING
|Date: 28 Jan 96  03:01:01
EID:d08d 203c1820
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba162
And Brave Sir AL ran away, screaming "THE LION KING"!

AS> for it. If gays get a reputation for being creative, if it becomes a
AS> "gay stereotype" in the long run it will work against them. Quite
AS> frankly I can think of two gay guys at work, whom I could run RINGS
AS> around creatively. I am very, very distrustful of any generalizations
AS> about ANY group, and the assertion that gays are more creative than
AS> straights will in the long run hurt them. (And I don't want creative
AS> people to start to think--am I gay because I am creative?)

Or having people being "accused" of being gay simply because 
they're creative.  It's bad enough that the small-minded accuse 
men who dare to be sensitive of being gay, or women who're a 
little more independent than the traditional view of being 
lesbians.  Stuff like that just becomes another tag, and hurts 
everyone all 'round.

AS>  And my youngest LOVES the Little Mermaid movie.

KD> My favorites are Lion King and Beauty and the Beast. I'm looking
KD> forward to Hunchback next year quite a bit.

AS> My wife and nine year old LOVED ToyStory.  And I loved Aladdin.

I managed to pick up a discounted copy of "The Lion King" at the 
local bargain bin - I was borrowing a copy off the kids, but I 
know they'd want it back sooner or later. :)  Besides, the newer 
copy is in better shape than theirs - it's been run so often, it's 
starting to show signs of wear.  I think my mom bought an extra 
copy, though - she usually buys two or three at once, as insurance 
against tapes breaking and such.  But I just _had_ to have my own 
copy of it, and the price was too good to pass up.  Hm. I think 
I'll ask 'em if I can borrow Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin 
next, though. :) (There are definitely benefits in teaching your 
kids to share, eh?) :)

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... "We are all connected, in the great circle of life." - Mufasa
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  When jfk walks among
|Date: 28 Jan 96  03:16:02
EID:785c 203c1a00
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba163
And Brave Sir Preston ran away, screaming "When jfk walks among"!

> When I hit thirty, fifty will be old.

SB> When I hit 20, 30 was old. When I hit 30, 40 was old. When I hit 40,
SB> 50 was old. Now I'm 44 (Dec. 20th) and, know what? 50 ain't *that*
SB> old!  :) 

PS> I'm 20 now. 25 is old to me, mostly because I'm already starting to
PS> get arthritis and other "old folks' problems." Bah.

Phooey.  I had ulcers at 16.  I had my first kid at 20.  I 
apparently don't have any grey hairs yet, but I'm working on them. 

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... Put a piece of tape on a cat's foot, you have never laughed so hard!
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Frederick Leff
|Sub:  Working on Sabbath
|Date: 28 Jan 96  03:19:03
EID:b0d1 203c1a60
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba164
And Brave Sir Frederick ran away, screaming "Working on Sabbath"!

FL> Odd, however, that no one is ever killed by god because they worked
on
FL> a weekend.  Gee, I have to work this weekend and sure wish I could
FL> have gotton out of doing so.  Hey!  next time I'll just go up to my
FL> boss and say to her: "Well, sorry but I cannot work over the weekend.

FL> God forbids it!" 

I had a job interview with KFC recently, and the assistant manager 
who interviewed me was lamenting on some of the workers they had - 
seems they were hiring for part-time, because several of their 
workers, when hired, assured them they could and would work on 
Sundays (workers here have the government-given right to refuse to 
work on holy days).  But, once they got hired, they turned around 
and said they couldn't work Sundays because of church.  More of 
that wonderful Christian honesty at work, I guess.  And KFC still 
didn't hire me, though I'm perfectly willing to take up the slack 
for these guys, and work any shift given.  Bah.

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... Take my life, please! - Henny Youngmodem
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  A SIMPLE LESSON SO HA
|Date: 28 Jan 96  05:22:04
EID:d848 203c2ac0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba165
And Brave Sir AL ran away, screaming "A SIMPLE LESSON SO HA"!

JH> Having my head squeezed through an opening ten 
JH> sizes too small, yes.
JH> A tunnel? no.

AS> Sagan thought it was a rememberance brought on by little oxygen as
AS> the brain was starting to die. Oh, well, it was just a theory. He was
AS> objective enough to note that it was true for all cultures, not just
AS> the judeo-Christian ones...for instance, NDEs (Near Death Experiences)
AS> happened to Hindus who would expect to be reborn, literally, not
AS> encounter a figure of light, as the majority report.

Which likely means it does have a bioligical basis, rather than a 
theological one, whatever the basis may be.  Of course, someone 
who expects to be reincarnated can probably explain it away by 
"well, I was about to be born as someone/something else, but got 
pulled back here", and the body he was supposed to be reincarnated 
as was simply still-born.  

--Wolfie



To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


... I'm too sexy for my head.  Worf
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To:   Janet Tyler
|Sub:  A Visit 4/4
|Date: 28 Jan 96  05:29:05
EID:4adb 203c2ba0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 310ba166
And Brave Sir Janet ran away, screaming "A Visit 4/4"!

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JT> Macintosh Discussion       9     9    45     9941.    9941.    50057.
JT> Yanks vs. Rebs            11    11   106    12468.   12468.   140329.
JT> Knee Slappin' Music       27    27   165    39162.   39162.   223962.
JT> Bible Echo                 0     0    69         .        .   124969.
JT> Holy Smoke Debate        111   111  1161   133574.  133574.  1571036.
JT> 'Bout Yer Gun             17    17   245    24149.   24149.   343454.
JT> The Bible Echo             8     8    15    11616.   11616.    20122.
JT> Protect Yer Kin Folk      10    10   115    18559.   18559.   200904.
JT> Lead Footin' It!!          4     4    19     3612.    3612.    18951.
JT> Old Engines                0     0     7         .        .     6017.
JT> Hub 20030 Echo             0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Keep Yer Gunz              6     6    89     8763.    8763.   162665.
JT> Visit'n Da Woods           0     0     4         .        .     4369.
JT> The Still                  8     8    26     7552.    7552.    22689.
JT> Bay Area: For Sale         2     2    47     1167.    1167.    43894.
JT> Dem BBS Ads R Here!       12    12   155    18051.   18051.   243057.
JT> Sex In Public Places       0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Romance Echo               0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> CD/Book/Movie Review       0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Sexual Stories             0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Sexual Fantasies           0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> CatNet BBS Ads             0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Sexual Advice              0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> 3 or Moresomes             0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> S & M and B & D            0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Adult Humor                0     0     1         .        .      454.
JT> Married, Will Cheat        0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> At The Bar                 0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> CatNet SysOps Echo         0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Sex Toys                   0     0     0         .        .        
.
JT> Macintosh SysOps           1     1    20      854.     854.    21787.
JT> Love & Marriage            0     0    26         .        .    40136.

JT> Totals:                  248   248  2625   314856.  314856.  3587286.


I find it interesting that "Christians Corner" claims to be a 
"family oriented BBS" and warns that HolySmoke "isn't moderated 
well", yet he has SEVERAL sex echoes listed here.  Most 
interesting is the "Married, Will Cheat" echo.  He also claims to 
prohibit "foul language" in his logon screen, yet replies freely 
with "buttmuch" and "bite me".  I guess it's a case of "do what I 
say, and not as I do".  I also fail to see where "S&M and B&D" 
(whatever the hell B&D is - I don't think I WANT to know) and "3 
or moresomes" is "family oriented".  I would certainly never have 
areas like that on a BBS I ran, and I'm no xtian.  As a sysop 
friend of mine recently observed, folks usually have this stuff 
on-line because THEY like porno, not necessarily the majority
of their users.

I also note 2, perhaps 3, pro-gun areas.  Does any of this give 
anyone else the creepy-crawlies, or is it just me?

--Wolfie

To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something

you want to view is there.


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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To:   Brian Kolacy
|Sub:  American Atheists
|Date: 28 Jan 96  10:11:25
EID:67e7 203c5160
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 10b91791
REPLY: 1:272/99 00188f7a
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Brian Kolacy wrote in a message to All:

BK>      I'm not sure if Chris Baker has been in to ask this question,
BK> but  does anyone know what became of the organization "American
BK> Atheists"?   Any info (other than "they don't exist anymore") would
BK> be greatly  appreciated (but not so greatly appreciated that you
BK> should expect some  sort of monetary gain:) ).

Area : [N] Atheistic Church/State Issue

Date : Thu Jan 25, 19:29                                               

From : Troy Goss                                               1:216/303
To   : All                                 
Subj : American Athiest Update                                         

ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

Some excerpts from a letter received from American Athiests as sent
by the interim president, Ellen Johnson, on the organization and the
Murry-O'Hairs:

"...On Sept. 4th, 1995, the family left Austin, indicating that they had
business to take care of. They closed the Headquarters and told the
employees that they would be laid off for a few days..."
"...In phone conversations I had with them during that time they did not
explain the nature of their trip but they expected to be finished soon
and were anxious to get to New York to picket the Pope with the rest
of us. They said many times that they were all well. I spoke to each of
the family members and they all appeared to be doing fine. We haven't
heard from them since the end of September and do not know where they
are..."
"...I have been elected interim president so that the board of directors
can operate with a full complement of officers...Since taking office we
have noted that all corporate property and funds have been accounted
for. All bills are paid...."
"...One area in which you can help is to please not call the HQ at this
time. We apologize for this temporary inconvenience..."

Well, wherever the Murry-O'Hairs are, at least the organization is
moving forward and continuing their work. The letter also reminds us
that our donations are still needed to keep the work going.

- Troy

... Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Republican!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 28 Jan 96  10:12:35
EID:465b 203c5180
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 10b91792
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
AL SCHROEDER wrote in a message to ALL:

AS>   Those of you who see this post, please respond. I am trying to
AS> determine   who is receiving my posts...Jim and occasionally Judith
AS> and Roger and Dan   aren't, Hector and JJ and Preston ARE, and I'm
AS> trying to see what's going   on. I ESPECIALLY want to hear from
AS> Larry Sites, whom I sent a multi part   reply to the file he pulled
AS> off an athiest echo about the silliness of   religious belief.

I think you're too late.  A couple of days ago he posted a message stating
that he was taking a break from HOLYSMOKE.

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|From: Vince Mchugh
|To:   Todd Andlar
|Sub:  receiving?
|Date: 26 Jan 96  16:17:00
EID:c4ae 203a8220
MSGID: 1:132/192.0 8911BC11
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12  91-0226
TA>         anybody receiving us?

Yep !
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ţ OLXWin 1.00 ţ Be careful, righteous indignation is habbit forming !

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|From: Jose Gomez
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Right To Salvation
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:11:10
EID:d9a5 203ba960
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 89120E12
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11  94-2206
Very well stated, friend. I thank you for showing God's love rather
than the judgmental attitude of most of the Believers on board. God
Bless!!

- Jose -+
....God'll Getcha!!

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|From: Jose Gomez
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:15:24
EID:272c 203ba9e0
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 89120E13
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11  94-2206
Steve,

You sound like a well versed Christian. I appreciate your loving and
patient attitude. It portrays the Christian personaltity (or what it
SHOULD be) very accurately. May God bless you and you words, in Jesus'
name...

+- Jose -+
...God'll getcha!!!

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Staal: PROMISE KEEPER MATERIAL
|Date: 03 Feb 96  11:56:31
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d29
PID: FM 2.02
* Forwarded from "HolySmoke (Family Educational forum)"
* Originally by Judith Bandsma
* Originally to Fredric Rice
* Originally dated 17 Jan 1996, 7:45

-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Jim Staal <=-

Greetings, Staal!  Which one of you have I contacted this time?

FR> I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem to
FR> particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart from God
FR> even further than do pagan men. - (Jim Staal, Promise Keeper)

FR> Greetings, Staal!  Which one of you have I contacted this time?

jb> Send this one back to him. It's the one he keeps saying he never said.

It looks like you enjoy fucking yourself, Staal.  Don't forget that we archive
your lies, guy.

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|From: Jose Gomez
|To:   Marilyn Burge
|Sub:  HI
|Date: 27 Jan 96  21:27:21
EID:5e7b 203bab60
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 89120E14
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11  94-2206
>Qhoting Isaih 45:7 - "...I form the light, and create the darkness..."

Why do you take that as meaning good and evil? Concordances are nice,
but what about reading that in its CONTEXT. I'm sorry friend, but may
God shed light on your reading table!

God created ALL things. But evil was simply a choice against Good.
That's all that it is. God did not CREATE that. It was just an option
against Him. Satan took that option. So do many others.

+- Jose -+
....God'll getcha!!

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Fun in Church...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  10:52:54
EID:d55d 203c5680
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b55f8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e7d9
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
26 Jan 96 14:15, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:


JS> Because, Shelby, there is no command from God to do so. George is not
JS> a good role model, Shelby. You can do better than that.

What are you talking about, nitwit?  I am perfectly capable of reading
and digesting your pathetic bible.  Why was the verse written if not a
command?

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 28 Jan 96  10:58:21
EID:7f3e 203c5740
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b578f
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
26 Jan 96 19:55, quoting AL SCHROEDER to SHELBY SHERMAN:


SS>> That would be the last thing that I would request.  I encourage
SS>> discussion about death....the reality vs. the christian claims.

AS>  Okay. What would you like to know?   Or discuss or dispute?

I dispute the christian claim that a god somehow gently ushers christians
over the threshold of death.  This is not what I have observed.  I have
observed some people dying hard deaths and some dying relatively peaceful
deaths.  I can assertain no casue and effect relationship by the person
being or not being religious.

What are your comments?  How do atheists die?  THE SAME WAY AS CHRISTIANS.
These are my observations.


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Jose Gomez
|Sub:  Re: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 26 Jan 96  14:04:21
EID:81ff 31093412
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 31093412
> believe in Him or not. And, He loves you whether you believe
> it or not.

...even homosexuals?

> against what is PERCIEVED (or NOT percieved).

"I before E, except after C"


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Re: Al Schroeder
|Date: 26 Jan 96  21:58:55
EID:81ff 3109a426
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3109a426
>  JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
>  JB> for Staal. And has all along.
>  JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all
> along...
>  LB> anyone else, but why didn't you answer when you were
> asked civilly?
>
> I did answer (as I would not avoid a direct question) by
> way of an
> extensive private netmail on the day I received the question.

WHOA! *I* asked you a DIRECT question about a year ago and got a slick,
contrived answer to the effect: Could be...couldn't be...
[wasn't about Lon, though...so I'll ask you now...]

You WERE/ARE Lon S. Mabon, aren't you?
You WERE/ARE Lump, aren't you?

How many personalities do you have to exhibit before we actually * believe*
you have problems?


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub:  Re: test
|Date: 26 Jan 96  22:19:41
EID:81ff 3109a80e
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3109a80e
>   Yes, dear, you are getting out.  Now, are we
> getting in??


Move it on over a little.....

ahhhhhhhh... you're IN!   :)

Hugs! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Damien Wellman
|Sub:  Re: Conference
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:29:27
EID:81ff 310a6f21
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a6f21
>  SB> That's the connection so it WAS actually on topic!
> :)
>
>  I already knew that, hence the reference to Noodles. :)

Oooops. :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Damien Wellman
|Sub:  Re: further comments??
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:30:23
EID:81ff 310a6fa2
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a6fa2
>  GP> specific act of buggery, which we know, even today,
> is a harmful
>  GP> activity.
>
>  Ask Scot Bear if he thinks it's harmful. If anything, homosexuality
> is
> BENEFICAL, as it helps keep Earth's population down, said


I dunno...It's been so long since I've had sex that I forget WHO gets tied
up and whipped! [sigh] :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  Re: "Good things heathens have done for me lately"
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:34:25
EID:81ff 310a70f0
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a70f0
>  What do they make artificial plastic from?

Fake polymers?

>  The menu claims that dining there is a "finger eating experience".
>  I think I know what they meant to say, but it sure aint
> what
>  they said.

hehe...Yah, I discovered a "gem" on our local Oriental restaurant:

"Tastey shrimps marinared in our tangee s/s sawce. Finger-flicking 
good!"

Better'n nooooooooooooooooooooooodles! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  Re: Larry Sites
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:37:53
EID:81ff 310a7178
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a7178
>  Maria, for all her faults, doesn't resort to braying "cunt"
> and
>  "dumbfuck" at people she doesn't like. I'll take her over
> Sites any day
>  and be glad for it.

I can deal with an occasional vulgarism over a lie anyday...

Maria still (in this day and age) believes that poor people are lazy.
:(


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Sean Mccullough
|Sub:  Re: zfnx bgGld pah!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:40:11
EID:81ff 310a71c4
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a71c4
> Fucking monosexuals -- can't ever agree on anything!!!!

The only thing we monosexuals believe is that BIs can't ever make up their
minds! [snort]


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Marty Leipzig
|Sub:  Re: It's Tacky Time!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:41:22
EID:81ff 310a71f6
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a71f6
>  SB> I was thinking "The House at Kitsch Korner" would be
> more---er---
>  SB> tasteful! :)
>
>      "More Tasteful Kitsch" is like a "Better Educated Fundy".

Exactly! :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Marty Leipzig
|Sub:  Re: "Good things heathens have done for me lately"
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:42:15
EID:81ff 310a729e
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a729e
>  SB> Reminds me of a long-forgotten product which was highly-touted
> as:
>  SB> "Made from REAL, ARTIFICIAL PLASTIC...." :)
>
>      Like the mineral water form GornyGorny: "Contains no
> artificial
>      Sodium".


hehe   I just bet that the artificial sodium would not factor-in in fake
high blood pressure leading to artificial myocardial infarctions!


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Marty Leipzig
|Sub:  Re: High Censuosity.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:45:24
EID:81ff 310a736c
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a736c
> AND...due to budget cutbacks, NASA will no longer gold-plate
> the detection devices on the shuttle...they're taking
> the
> gold-leaf off their sensors.


NBC recently decided to make their arbiters-of-good-taste's jobs a tad easier:
Yup! Their taking LIVES off their censors. (Just tape and film) 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Steve Rose
|Sub:  Re: WHAT??
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:48:38
EID:81ff 310a73f1
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a73f1
>  SB> Damn. I just found an old kotex and i was wondering
> if you could
>  SB> tell me what period it was from... :)
>
> Teachers are extremely tired as they may have up to seven
> periods a day.
> Burrrump Bump!

My ex-wife used to have such bad periods that we re-named them
exclamation points!!!!!  :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   All
|Sub:  Re: Wacky Germans
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:50:32
EID:81ff 310a74cc
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a74cc
Who says that Germans don't have a sense of humor?

Originally reported in _Der Spiegel_, reprinted
in the December
31 _National Review_:

"Gunther Burpus remained wedged in his front-door
cat flap for
two days because passersby thought he was a piece of
installation art.  Mr. Burpus, 41, of Bremen, was
using the flap
because he had mislaid his keys.  Unfortunately,
he was spotted
by a group of student pranksters who removed his
trousers,
painted his bottom bright blue, stuck a daffodil
between his
buttocks, and erected a sign saying:  `Germany Resurgent.
An
Essay in Street Art.  Please Give Generously.'
Passersby
assumed Mr. Burpus' screams were part of the act,
and it was
only when an old woman complained to the police
that he was
finally freed.  `I kept calling for help,' he said,
`but people
just said, "Very good, very clever!" and threw coins
at me.'"


[From CONTROV...]


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:54:17
EID:81ff 310a7524
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a7524
> You...you mean those _empty_ porno conferences on his board?
> He does
> seem to talk a good talk...


The *mere* fact that they *EXIST* on a [so-called] christian's BBS is evidence
that he's neither good, nor christian...


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Re: MI Teacher Talks
|Date: 27 Jan 96  12:55:51
EID:81ff 310a7597
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a7597
> I haven't seen too much since I mailed you
> those clippings.
> You did get them, didn't you?

Three weeks later. :( My zipcode was incorrectly-written by you. It is 53215-3113.
Thanks, BTW... 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Re: Jealous God
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:52:14
EID:81ff 310a9ecf
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a9ecf
> claim a Ronnie
>  SB> Raygun on it... :)
>
> Well, with it being of the Noodles Agenda, I figured it
> was most
> likely penned by you!

Don't you mean "penne'd"? :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Re: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:55:05
EID:81ff 310a9f9a
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310a9f9a
>  SB> Uh, that would be one John Prewett ...
>
> Thanks for the reminder...  I remembered the incident, but
> didn't
> search my archives for the culprit's name.

Yup, he's a charmer, huh? 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   David Hilling
|Sub:  Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  15:56:57
EID:81ff 310aa050
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa050
>  Scot, I'm surprised at you! If Staalie wants to embrace
> Christian it's
>  no one's business but their own. As long as they take pictures
> and post GIFs.

I must be slipping! I missed *THAT* one completely...
Maybe it was the mental-picture that fucked-up my brain. :)

Wonder where they are honeymooning...


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Steve Rose
|Sub:  Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:00:11
EID:81ff 310aa09d
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa09d
>  SB> I would bail-out if I were you.
>
> Have some Nooooooooooooooooooooooooodles!  They'll soak
> up his excess water! :)


Yah, but do they absorb bullshit? heheh


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Re: Test
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:01:15
EID:81ff 310aa0f1
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa0f1
>
>  KDM> Aye.  Still . . . in a motherly way?
>
> Ack!  I hope not!  That would make her something like 12
> months pregnant!
> She was due around Thanksgiving.

...and had a girl! (She was *internally* grateful!!!)

Hugs! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Re: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:03:03
EID:81ff 310aa1fb
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa1fb
> Nah, don't stress yourself one bit over it.  I just
> hate the
> fact that my reaction was so irrational for so long.
> In fact,
> to this day I still believe doctors get their biggest
> joy out
> of trying to see how many times they can stick long
> pieces of
> sharp metal through my skin when given the slightest
> chance.

I have a good friend who is a RN and he was telling me that they have special
classes for "skin popping" and "gleeful-smiling"... :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Re: IT'S TACKY TIME!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:07:14
EID:81ff 310aa349
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa349
>  SB> I was thinking "The House at Kitsch Korner" would be
> more---er---
>  SB> tasteful! :)
>
> But that ain't TACKY enough. You spoil the whole ambiance
> by adding
> something with good taste (or that tastes good.) 


Welllllllllll... Here's one that I've been toying-with for a long time (apologies
to Jethro Tull)

LOCOMOTIVE BREATH

You like?
:)
Hugs! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Marty Leipzig
|Sub:  Re: WHAT??
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:12:52
EID:81ff 310aa3a2
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa3a2
>  SB> Damn. I just found an old kotex and i was wondering
> if you could tell
>  SB> me what period it was from... :)
>
>      It's intuitively obvious that it's either Menarchsippian or
>      Oligobscene.


Bloody well right! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  Re: Christianity...today.
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:14:24
EID:81ff 310aa4c5
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa4c5
>  SB> He's not much of a monster, IMNSHO...
>
> I wonder. It was people not to different from him who helped
> Hitler stay
> in power.

Naw. Jimbo's got height but not-enough testosterone to be a nazi.

> There's a difference between refusing to say uncle and ignoring
> reality so blatantly.

I just think he's harmless---and stubborn! VERY stubborn! I bet if I ever
got to GR, he'd welcome me with open arms...er let me re-phrase that! :)

> I'm not sure that this would happen, though I respect your
> opinion.

...and I, yours, sir...


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  Re: bus crash
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:18:51
EID:81ff 310aa57e
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa57e
>  (sigh)... And I suppose you value your peace of mind and
> "getting
>  on with your life" more than all the filthy lucre to be
> gained
>  by sueing the bastards.
>  (At the very least, they owe you several months back pay.)

You're right. I just want it over. :( [I HATE it when the "waters- of-life"
turn into tidal waves.] {It ain't worth it.}
Thanks for your genderless input, J.J., I 'preciate it. :)


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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  Re: Religious Experience
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:22:00
EID:81ff 310aa5b2
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa5b2
> On 22 Jan 96 06:54pm, Styx Allum wrote to Rob Burcham:
>
>  SA>  Origin: Gramm in '96!                         (1:152/20)
>
> Please tell me you're being funny.  PLEASE.

Uh, I don't think so, Tim...

Al Borland 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   Tara Holland
|Sub:  Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:23:10
EID:81ff 310aa77a
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aa77a
> evil...will be blind  to understanding.  Jesus is always
> going to be there when you are ready  to except him into
> your hearts...                           ^^^^^^


Uh, Tara... you must realize that most of us in here HAVE "excepted" him...

> he  will judge your heart..and for those of you who fail
> to listen and  accept him in your hearts before that time
> comes..it will be you who  will burn for an eternity..in
> flames.  I am sorry for all of you who do  not see the glory

...and I am sorry that you have to threaten us to get your sorry point 
across. I have never sinned, nor have most of my compatriots in here.

Now, would you care to retract your vile statement about "burning for an
eternity" or do we have to (figuratively) kill you so you can experience
this first-hand?

Have a gay day!

Scot Bear


Oh, BTW, how do you feel (personally, that is) about fags? Just curious...

Also, lose the ellipses (...) too man make you look even MORE like a rambling
idiot.
Tata, Tara! 

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|From: Scot Bear
|To:   John Prewitt & All
|Sub:  Re: FLASH!!  Vatican sold to MS!!
|Date: 27 Jan 96  16:30:26
EID:81ff 310aaaf2
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310aaaf2
MICROSOFT Bids to Acquire Catholic Church



By Hank Vorjes



VATICAN CITY (AP) -- In a joint press conference in St.

Peter's Square

this morning, MICROSOFT Corp. and the Vatican announced

that the

Redmond software giant will acquire the Roman Catholic

Church in

exchange for an unspecified number of shares of MICROSOFT

common stock.

If the deal goes through, it will be the first time a computer

software

company has acquired a major world religion.



With the acquisition, Pope John Paul II will become the

senior

vice-president of the combined company's new Religious

Software

Division, while MICROSOFT senior vice-presidents Michael

Maples and

Steven Ballmer will be invested in the College of Cardinals,

said

MICROSOFT Chairman Bill Gates.



"We expect a lot of growth in the religious market in the

next five to

ten years," said Gates. "The combined resources of MICROSOFT

and the

Catholic Church will allow us to make religion easier and

more fun for

a broader range of people."



Through the MICROSOFT Network, the company's new on-line

service, "we

will make the sacraments available on-line for the first

time" and

revive the popular pre-Counter-Reformation practice of

selling

indulgences, said Gates. "You can get Communion, confess

your sins,

receive absolution -- even reduce your time in Purgatory

-- all without

leaving your home."



A new software application, MICROSOFT Church, will include

a macro

language which you can program to download heavenly graces

automatically while you are away from your computer.



An estimated 17,000 people attended the announcement in

St Peter's

Square, watching on a 60-foot screen as comedian Don Novello

-- in

character as Father Guido Sarducci -- hosted the event,

which was

broadcast by satellite to 700 sites worldwide.



Pope John Paul II said little during the announcement.

When Novello

chided Gates, "Now I guess you get to wear one of these

pointy hats,"

the crowd roared, but the pontiff's smile seemed strained.



The deal grants MICROSOFT exclusive electronic rights to

the Bible and

the Vatican's prized art collection, which includes works

by such

masters as Michelangelo and Da Vinci. But critics say MICROSOFT

will

face stiff challenges if it attempts to limit competitors'

access to

these key intellectual properties.



"The Jewish people invented the look and feel of the holy

scriptures,"

said Rabbi David Gottschalk of Philadelphia. "You take

the parting of

the Red Sea -- we had that thousands of years before the

Catholics came

on the scene."



But others argue that the Catholic and Jewish faiths both

draw on a

common Abrahamic heritage. "The Catholic Church has just

been more

successful in marketing it to a larger audience," notes

Notre Dame

theologian Father Kenneth Madigan. Over the last 2,000

years, the

Catholic Church's market share has increased dramatically,

while

Judaism, which was the first to offer many of the concepts

now touted

by Christianity, lags behind.



Historically, the Church has a reputation as an aggressive

competitor,

leading crusades to pressure people to upgrade to Catholicism,


and


entering into exclusive licensing arrangements in various


kingdoms


whereby all subjects were instilled with Catholicism, whether


or not


they planned to use it. Today Christianity is available


from several


denominations, but the Catholic version is still the most

widely used.

The Church's mission is to reach "the four corners of the

earth,"

echoing MICROSOFT's vision of "a computer on every desktop

and in every

home".



Gates described MICROSOFT's long-term strategy to develop

a scalable

religious architecture that will support all religions

through

emulation. A single core religion will be offered with

a choice of

interfaces according to the religion desired -- "One religion,
a couple
of different implementations," said Gates.

The MICROSOFT move could spark a wave of mergers and acquisitions,
according to Herb Peters, a spokesman for the U.S. Southern
Baptist
Conference, as other churches scramble to strengthen their
position in
the increasingly competitive religious market.

[sorry 'bout the formatting...]


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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To:   Zayd Allebban
|Sub:  The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  06:49:37
EID:807c 203c3620
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310bca8d
REPLY: 001616b4
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
David and Zayd were killing time yakking about The Ultimate Shit List -
Part 1.:

-> Have you seen me expressing any of my "beliefs", Zyad?  No.  You,
-> however, chose to express yours.  If you don't like the reaction you
-> get upon expressing your beliefs, hopefully you'll learn to keep them
-> to yourself.

ZA> The reason I said that you don't believe in God is the fact that you
ZA> don't fear Him, since you did ask those two questions.  If you do
ZA> believe in Him, what belief you have is very little.

Zayd -- I'm curious.  Why would God be offended by the questions?  Didn't
God design both the bodily functions David mentions, look at man and call
it
good?  I think you need to distinguish between what offends you, and what
would offend God -- surely he's not prudish about something He himself
created.



Lynda Bustilloz      bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... This time it will surely run.

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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 28 Jan 96  06:56:06
EID:19c3 203c3700
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310bca8e
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61257d91
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and J.J. were killing time yakking about WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO:

LB> Actually, to back up Gwenny, I've known of a few middle-aged
LB> Wiccans who "came out" as it were, after the kids were grown -- 
LB> they didn't want to cause any problems for them growing up, so 
LB> they kept it quiet until such a time as the only one who would 
LB> be targeted for persecution would be themselves.

JH> What I originally said was that if it wasn't for their appeal to
JH> teenagers, Wicca, Satanism and another sillyass religion which I
JH> forget, would all dry up overnight. 

Public awareness of it, probably.  Sales of "trinkets", most likely.  I'm
not sure the religion itself would, though.  There seem to be two variations
(a gross understatement, as there is a variation for every single person
who
calls themselves wiccan) -- that which IS composed primarily of kids, and
heavily laden with pop culture, and an older, quieter form that take themselves
and their religion much more seriously, and expect those around them to
do so
as well -- to the point sometimes of not even allowing teens in until they've
reached adulthood.  And they are as likely to roll their eyes at someone
who's gone an bought the extra special one-and-only-TRUE pentacle down at
the crystal store as you or I would be.

JH> So you've "known of a few" old farts who were also in it...

HEY!  When did middle-aged become "old farts"?!

JH> Fine. How large a percentage did they represent?

Heck if I know.  Of those I've known personally, maybe 70%? (Don't take
that
as being meaningful -- I don't generally engage in much discussion of this
type offline with teenagers)  It would be near impossible to find any figures
on the demographics because no records are kept, and for many secrecy is
a
factor.  The thing is, you just wouldn't casually hear about  the type I'm
talking about because they've already spent years protecting their privacy
on
the matter.  You are far more likely to hear from the kids, because many
of
them are exploring wicca as a way to rebel and "tweak" the adults around
them,
and it doesn't do much good to try to be outrageous if no one notices.
Of those kids, some may actually grow in their faith and stay with it --
for
most, they will likely move onto the next cool fad in their search for meaning.
Including being "born again."  The staying power for such early bursts of
fervor -- whatever the focus -- just isn't all that great.




Lynda Bustilloz      bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Catolick:  A religiously clean kitty...

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:42:48
EID:9698 203c7540
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b8bad
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 891111DF
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
25 Jan 96 20:19, quoting Dan Ceppa to Shelby Sherman:


DC> Anyhow, do ask me what a local fundy on a local Religion Message
DC> Base had to say about what happened to my Dad after his death.

What did they have to say?  I'll bet that it was about the same sort
of bullshit that I got from Trent Hall.  Sanctimony.

DC> All I can say in comfort is that I hope your Dad treated you
DC> at least 1/2 as good as mine did me.  (hope that comes out right,
DC> as nothing realy does at that juncture in you life)

Actually, it was my father in law, but he was closer to me than my own
father.

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Lump The Moron
|Sub:  Lumpster shits in nest
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:45:31
EID:10bf 203c75a0
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b8d02
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d6
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
27 Jan 96 06:31, quoting Lump-Lump-Lump-Lump to Steve Rose:

LL>    ...You wern't that stupid as to believe I'ld stop using my
LL>   nickname here, were you......I guess you are....Well, you were WRONG
LL>   again!

It only confirms that you are a moron and a liar, christian.  There is
no surprise here.

Say, what is that lump?  Is it a log that you forgot to deposit in the
toilet, or merely the embodiment of your next post?


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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  compassion
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:55:11
EID:4419 203c76e0
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b8e6c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ea
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
25 Jan 96 13:24, quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson:


JS> Really? You claim to be a human being. Yet you fail to show one ounce
JS> of compassion.

This is rich coming from you.

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  How big, did you say!?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:57:14
EID:adf5 203c7720
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b8fa0
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0fb
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
26 Jan 96 01:39, quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson:


PS>> It is if there isn't enough water. Keep trying.

JS> Not for an omnipotent God...

When are you going to grab a clue, milk-crate?  There ain't no 
evidence for your omnipotent god.  Get it?

Without evidence of this bad boy and his temper induced hat tricks
you JUST CAN'T FACTOR IT IN. Get it?

Show me a god, let alone a god that can hide a couple of hydrospheres
of water and then we can talk about the validity of your myth.

Get it?  Thought not.

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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To:   Brother Jimmy
|Sub:  archives
|Date: 28 Jan 96  15:03:15
EID:1828 203c7860
MSGID: 1:123/67 310b9044
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e102
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
26 Jan 96 01:41, quoting The Facts. to Judith Bandsma:


TF> _This_ is real life, Judith...not some made up crap like you are
TF> trying to put on Lon. Lon merely suggested that Shelby's
TF> father-in-law, being a Christian, received from God comfort Shelby was
TF> not aware of.

There was _no_ comfort from any god.  I was there. Lon (and you/or you)
are full of shit.  Get it?


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  Quality fundy time
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:17
EID:7ed5 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be548
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Quality fundy time"

DW> I second the motion.

DW> 17 years old and in the 10th grade?  How does one manage to *fail* a
DW> year of homeschooling? 

A year? Hell, I *graduated high school* at 17 and entered college before
I was 18.



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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:17
EID:0d32 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be549
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "flood"

MG>> Not to worry.  I've seen keyboards with worse than barf on 
MG>> them.
MG>> Don't ask.
PS> I'm in a cantankerous mood. I'll ask. WHAT have you seen?

MG> Bibles.

You've answered my question.


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  animal abortions
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:17
EID:d4aa 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be54a
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "animal abortions"

MH> wouldn't use a cow as an  archery target, but I eat steak and 
MH> wear leather.

MG> Why is human life different from other animal life?

"Because we have *souls*!"

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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Newt, Rush and Gramm...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:17
EID:ed1e 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be54b
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Lynda Bustilloz mumbled "Newt, Rush and Gramm..."

GR> Well that puts them in good company.  Newt, Rush and Gramm.

JS> I know nothing of the above other than all three dudes get my vote...

LB> If you know nothing of them, on what basis do you choose to vote for

He's a good little sheep. We have determined this already--bear in mind
that there will be a quiz over this material later. 

LB> them? And when did Rush declare his intention to run for office?  (G)

Allah forbid.


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Re: churches
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:17
EID:dac6 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be54c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "Re: churches"

PS> PS>Ludicrous. Christians engaging in psychological counseling should
PS> PS>leave their religion at the door when treating non-Christians.

PS> KDM> I dunno.  Think of it as evolution in action.

PS>It still makes me feel icky to think about it.

KDM> Too true.

It occurred to me today that St. Valentine's Day is an insidious plot to
make single members of society feel so horrible about being single that
they kill themselves. In the old days, when people might have still given
at least lip service to choosing a mate with good genetic qualities, that
may have served a purpose. But now, when the emphasis is so much more on
looks than quality, it's become kind of an evolutionary nightmare.


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Coincidence seven
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:18
EID:4244 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be54d
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "Coincidence seven"

PS> KDM> Have something plug the hole before you detonate the bomb.

PS>Better work fast.

KDM> Not really.  Just set a delayed timer on the bomb, or set it off
KDM> remotely.

But if it goes off too far back, then the efficiency won't be very good.
I had an idea about another kind of drive. We all know that light sails
run on light (obviously). What if one used a light sail twigged to the
infrared spectrum and mounted a powerful infrared lamp on the vessel?
Theoretically, if it was powerful enough, it might push the ship at
speeds approaching c, but certainly not at lightspeed and definitely
no faster.

PS>Having looked at the article I found it in, I discovered that the
PS>warheads are supposed to be matter-antimatter implosion devices. From
PS>what I gather, the effect would be akin to putting a ship on a rubber
PS>band, stretching it, and letting go.

KDM> Hmmmmm . . . you'd still need to place it a bit outside the square,
KDM> but I think it would work.

Possibly. But I wouldn't want to try it. Too much like being shot out
of a cannon.

PS>Wouldn't antimatter be cleaner in a radioactive sense?

KDM> Yes, it's just that it is possible to clean up radioactive materials,
KDM> while antimatter is a whole different ball game.  OTOH, antimatter
is
KDM> far more efficient than atomic bombs, and less jolting.

True. The quantities of mass involved are much smaller, and although it
would initially be *obscenely* expensive, the costs might level out as
the technology progressed.

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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Fundy follies!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "Fundy follies!"

PS> KDM> You give him far too much credit.

PS>Probably, but I've been sick lately.

KDM> I'm sorry.  Feeling better?

Yeah. I've been taking vitamins to deal with my anemia.


... gods detected- Sanity Check Failed- Rebooting Universe
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jen Barrett
|Sub:  god=hoax
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jen Barrett mumbled "god=hoax"

JB> Show me concrete proof that there is a god. The bible doesn't count,
JB> for all I know a few drunk guys got together and made it up! 

Proof is the province of mathematics and liquor. Evidence would be a
better bet. But essentially, you're on the right track.


... "Bad news mom, I sold my soul to the devil." - Calvin
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   John Oliver
|Sub:  Homosexual Christians?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:18
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, John Oliver mumbled "Homosexual Christians?"

JO> "Steve  Winter"  on the  little  fundy,  as  you  know  the writing
of
JO> hate mail, let alone the transmission of such is illegal in Canada,
and
JO> George has broken  the  law, and as a Law Abiding Canadian, I am
JO> ashamed at his vitrolic outbursts. 

 Isn't necessary. It smacks too much of "thought crimes" for my
tastes.

JO> I  be more than happy to testify on your behalf. Maybe this way,
JO> George can "straighten" his life out.(hehehehe)!

Amusing, but no thanks. 


... Sale: parachute, used once, never opened, small stain.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Fundamentalists R Us"

PS> I guess that you don't have any evidence, and therefore probably
PS> suspect that your book of myths is just that.

JS> And I think you know better than that, Preston.

No, I don't. You haven't given me any evidence to the contrary.


... So, when's JFK coming back?
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Fun in Church...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Fun in Church..."

JS> Hmmm...doesn't sound like my church. Not all churches are of this
JS> nature. The ones that are alive and growing do not resemble this in
JS> age, dress or format.

PS> And how do you know? Have you made a thorough study of every church
in
PS> this world? Is there some standard for "alive and growing" churches
PS> that is passed out amongst the faithful in Christendom?

JS> No, but in the age in which we live, it stands to reason that the dull
JS> and boring churches and the ones that are only filled with old people
JS> as Ryan described, would soon die out. Old people do die and when there
JS> are only old people in a church, blah blah.

Are you trying to say that old people aren't Real, True Christians ?

... That's not lunch. That's something lunch would eat.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Lynda goes over...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Lynda goes over..."

PS> Are you now the final arbiter of who is a Christian and who is not?

JS> No. I leave that up to the Bible, Preston...

That's very amusing, in light of the fact that only God and the person
in question really know for sure.

JS> Oh, really...now what did He say about it:

JS> (Mat 7:16 NIV)  By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people
JS> pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Have you ever heard of the proposition that human beings are fallible and
have been wrong about things before?


... AD&D Quote:  More hit points than you can possibly imagine.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Rattle...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Rattle..."

JS> Oh...feigning ignorance is a sin, is it?
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^  
RJ> Mightn't that come under the shadow of "false witness"?

JS> Maybe...but admitting your ignorance (when you just had to reach over
JS> and grab the dictionary from your desk) just to rile the folks a bit
JS> isn't...                                ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^ ^^^

PS> Actually, it is. It falls under the category of leading others into
PS> sin.

JS> And what is the sin in not reaching for your dictionary...? If any
JS> one wants to follow me into that sin, HAVE AT IT, DUDES!

Look at the underlined bit above, Jim. "Feigning ignorance" is a sin
when one is trying (see the second underlined bit) to lead others
into sin.


... Cthulhu:  Living the life of R'lyeh
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Preston joins the 'better educated'
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:19
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Preston joins the 'better
educated'"

JS> B***h!

PS> At least you could have the balls to say "Bitch!" Or are you too much
PS> of a fucking coward for that, you low-lived piece of human filth?

JS> You really _are_ one of the better educated, aren't you, Pressy-boy?

Have I ever claimed to be?

PS> of a fucking coward for that, you low-lived piece of human filth?

JS> Ain't that pretty, Preston? You mother should be proud she raised
JS> such a fine eloquent, educated boy!

What my mother thinks of me is no longer my concern, as I have no contact
with her.


... Fundamentalism: Believe in a kind, loving God or we'll kill you.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  HA!?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:20
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "HA!?"

PS> Perfect? Hardly. But I didn't make the mistake of claiming a standard
PS> that I couldn't keep without fucking up at least twice a day, now did
PS> I?

JS> Really? You claim to be a human being. Yet you fail to show one ounce
JS> of compassion.

Correction: I fail to show one ounce of compassion TO YOU. Do not make the
mistake of believing that I show no compassion to anyone.



... This is more fun than sucking on a 9 volt battery.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Archaism...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:20
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Archaism..."

PS> Then why the need to rely on the NIV when anyone who can read English
PS> can understand the KJV perfectly well?

JS> Then why is it you never really got the picture?

Then why is it you continue to behave like a spoiled child when people
don't hand you things on a silver platter? You demand respect, you demand
courtesy, and yet you haven't the will to go out and earn these things
for yourself. You just sit there and expect us to be nice to you.

PS> You'd like to think so, but it sprang to mind instantly.

JS> I don't think so. It probably isn't evil so it did not spring to your
JS> mind instantly...

Are you trying to insult me, Jim?

... Love your god, but wear a condom.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Joy...in salvation...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:20
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Joy...in salvation..."

JS> BTW, how could a mathamatic genius have an 'idiotic' memory?

PS> Never mind. I could explain, but you wouldn't understand.

JS> Yeah...you are the humorless one. And people think church is boring.
JS> The plight of the 'better educated' takes the cake...

My sense of humor frequently operates on a level beyond yours. Try not
to make the mistake of thinking that I have no sense of humor simply
because you can't see that I do.

... "To the inattentive and brainless layman, yes." -- Calvin
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Christianity...today.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:20
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Christianity...today."

PS> Yes, frequently, and no, it isn't. One of the tenets of my standard
is
PS> that I call attention to those who conspicuously and repeatedly
PS> violate their own with no attempt to rectify their behavior. Keep
PS> trying, hypocrite.

JS> Check out the mirror sometime, angry man...

Aren't you getting a little tired of this projectionist facade of yours?

PS> See previous reference to the Judaic laws that you do not apparently
PS> follow, then get back to me about "upholding the Bible." If you'd like
PS> to talk about upholding the gospel, then you might have a better
PS> shot--though I doubt it.

JS> Jesus fulfilled those Judaic laws. I am no longer under them.

Then stop claiming to "uphold the Bible" and start claiming to "uphold
the Gospels." The least you could do is make a concession to accuracy
in your lies.

PS> Fuck your days. D'you think Jesus cares about whether you're a
PS> weak-willed sap who is only a fair-weather follower of his claimed
PS> standard? Is your slipshod performance and outright violation of
PS> Biblical teachings going to let you get into Heaven unopposed?

JS> Show me these alleged 'violations'.

See your treatment of fellow Christians and most of us non-Christians
here. I doubt that Jesus would care for you beating people up with
your religion, and I seriously doubt that he cares for you dragging
his name through the mud the way you do.

But then, those beams in your face can be blinding. I don't blame you
for not seeing them.

JS> Must be...Paul does.

PS> Paul is not God, is he?

JS> Nope. God moved his hand to write, however...II Tim 3:16

What makes his claim more valid than mine if I say that God moved my hand
to write?

PS> Your treatment of Gwen and the other women here who dare to speak
PS> their minds isn't a beacon of love and acceptance, hypocrite.

JS> Nowhere do I read of this acceptance, oh rageful one...

"When in doubt, ask 'Why are you so angry?'" I'm more amused than angry,
Jim.

JS> I fear no one here. I have no righteousness of my own. Where do you
PS> ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^
PS> I doubt this. As for the righteousness bit, you've hit the nail on the
PS> head--and you continue to be bereft of goodness, kindness,
PS> intelligence, or any of the other virtues of thoughtful humanity.

JS> You are describing yourself as well, Preston. Have I mentioned 'do you
JS> _ever_ look in the mirror, oh ye of mighty insoluble rage?

This is getting funnier and funnier by the minute. On what grounds do
you base this? 

PS> Have you never studied history? Have you never heard of what life was
PS> like back then? Have you never read the words, "Suffer the little
PS> children to come unto me"? Have you never seen the phrase, "Love thy
PS> neighbor as thyself"? Have you never once in your god-forsaken life
PS> ever reached out to comfort the forlorn, instead of attacking them
PS> because they don't share your religion and demanding that they be
PS> subservient because they are of a different sex?

JS> All the time.

Then start acting like it, rather than throwing around this snide attitude
of, "It doesn't matter what you feel, I'm *saved*."

PS> You are an abomination, Jim. If ever the anti-Christ walked the earth,
PS> he did it in you and your actions here.

JS> Judge not, Preston...

I'm not subject to your moral code, Jim. I don't even follow it. But if
you're going to be that way about it, at the very least, you could do
the same.

PS> And yet you completely neglect the entire point of Christianity, which
PS> is a story about God's love for humanity.

JS> How can you dwell on this 'gospel of warm fuzzies' and ignore the
JS> 'sword'.

How can you dwell on the sword and ignore Christ's ultimate message, which
was that God loved us all and didn't want to condemn anyone? Why the
fixation on persecuting the non-Christians? Are you really a Christian,
or are you just using that as an excuse to persecute people, Jim?

PS> You harp on the little bits,

JS> Name these 'little bits'!

This drooling insistence on "Follow the scripture!" when it's obvious
that you don't know a damned thing about what the scriptures say. You
like to quote the bits about God punishing somebody or other for not
groveling before him, but you completely ignore all the good that
Jesus was reported to have done, instead focusing on the image of
Jesus as a bully, a tyrant, a monster who wanted only to force people
to do things his way or else. You got so wrapped up in beating people
up with Christianity that you forgot that it was made to comfort people,
to do good, to foster charity, not Crusades.

PS> you quibble over fine scriptural points,

JS> Define these 'fine scriptural points'!

See the above, though I doubt it'll make any difference.

PS> and you carelessly and with no
PS> regard for simple human dignity steamroll on in your invincible
PS> ignorance, smashing any who happen to get in your way.

JS> Who? How? When?

Never mind. If you're that blind then it is fruitless to point it out
to you again. You wouldn't believe me even if I told you, and that is
probably the biggest joke of all.

PS> If your god does exist, and I do meet him when I die,

JS> You will...maybe even before...

Oooh, scary.

PS> I will be sure
PS> to cite you by name as a reason for not rejoining the fold. Live with
PS> that on your conscience, Jim. You have helped ensure that, according
to
PS> your beliefs, someone who might have been saved will be sent to hell.

JS> And He will tell you the truth: You were witnessed to, you rejected
JS> it on your own angry volition and now must pay the penalty.

And I will still tell him that you were a large contributer. You haven't
witnessed to me. You've tried to extort me. Isn't that a sin?

PS> Drop your "offended" act, boyo. You haven't seen me enraged, and you
PS> won't. You are not important enough for me to be angry.

JS> No offense received or perceived. You should seek professional help
JS> for your pent up rage before you go _completely_ over the edge.

You really need to stop projecting your fantasies onto other people, Jim.
I'm not angry. I'm about to fall out of my chair laughing even as I
write this.

... Your messages have the subtlety of a rectal thermometer.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Staal RULES!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:21
EID:a2ff 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be55c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Staal RULES!"

PS> No you don't. You just sit on your fat ass and bitch about people who
PS> *do* try when all you want to do is fear people.

JS> Hello!? Who am I b***hing about that are trying to do what the Bible
JS> says?

PS> Never mind. I'd tell you, but you'd go and get all pompous again.

JS> Answer the question!

Lynda, for one. But you'll counter with a claim that she isn't a Real,
True Christian  and that she's sucking up to all of us nasty old
non-Christians for peer approval (never mind that if she wanted peer
approval, she would have done better to pick a bigger group to claim
as peers).

PS> Who made you God?

JS> Who made _you_ god? At least I have His Word to back me up. You just
JS> make your 'judgements' out f thin air.

I didn't claim to be God, did I? Every human being judges, Jim. Some of
us are honest about it.
... Stop talking while I'm interrupting.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  How big, did you say!?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:21
EID:5304 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be55d
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "How big, did you say!?"

PS> It is if there isn't enough water. Keep trying.

JS> Not for an omnipotent God...

Is this the same omnipotent God who couldn't make people with free will
without giving them the choice to do evil? Who couldn't relieve humanity
of sin without having someone nailed to a tree? He doesn't sound very
omnipotent to me.

JS> Neither. Merely amused, that's all...

PS> A pile of bullshit who boasts about his height isn't very amusing.

JS> That really is an irritation for you, isn't it? :)

Well, no. I've usually prided myself on the fact that people who boast
about their height are usually doing it because they lack so much in
more important areas. 

PS> Do you ever *read* that book that you throw at us?

JS> Certainly, sir... 

It doesn't show.



... TRAPEZOID - A device for catching zoids.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Just havin' fun...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:21
EID:8497 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be55e
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Just havin' fun..."

JS> n'est-ce pas?

JS> Huh?

RJ> It's French, for "nicht wahr?"

JS> 'nicht wahr'?

JS> Wha!?

PS> There you go again.

JS> Where!?




... When in doubt, throw a fireball at the guy in the back.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Not the Bible...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:21
EID:7181 203c80c0
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Not the Bible..."

JS> Figure of speech...

PS> Amusing talk from an inerrantist.

JS> This ain't the Bible, dude...

It's still amusing.


... "Bother," said Pooh as he put the money under Kanga's pillow.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jm Staal
|Sub:  RUDE!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:22
EID:6390 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be561
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jm Staal mumbled "RUDE!"

PS> And the point behind this is? You obviously don't know that I've
PS> treated people bigger than you are with more rudeness than I've handed
PS> you here.

JS> I don't think so. Evidence?

Would you like me to tell you the story about that wonderful jackass I
met once who liked to smack his girlfriend around?



... Talk science to the ignorant and they call it lies.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  It's a wonderful life...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:22
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "It's a wonderful life..."

JS> See!? That's exactly what I have been talking about: mocking me to the

PS> Oh, for pity's sake. Are you really this fucking desperate? What a
PS> dismal, dark little world you must live in.

JS> Yeah...try being in your late 40's and realize you are a waste of a
JS> human life...:)

Must be a real bummer, but as it's a problem I won't experience... 

PS> Well, no. If I saw Lynda making the same kind of outrageous statements
PS> to me that you do, I'd be "beating" her just as strongly as I do you.
PS> However, she has decided, much to her credit, not to use her religion
PS> as an excuse to persecute people, a decision I applaud.

JS> Yeah...applaud telling people what they want to hear while hiding the
JS> truth from them:

You keep forgetting about the gospels, and keep focusing on the Crusades.
That isn't healthy.

PS> If you have a
PS> problem with my treatment of you, then stop being such a hypocrite.

JS> Hey, it's your conscience...:)

Hey, it's your idiocy. 

PS> You are far too thin-skinned to be a Christian, Jim.

JS> Not at all...I am a _big_ man, remember? :)

Elastic thins as it stretches, as it must do when containing so much shit.


... "Politically, fashionably and aerodynamically incorrect" - Outland
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:22
EID:9c46 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be563
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "DEFINITIONS FOR JIM"

PS> Given the old David and Goliath story, one wonders why he isn't more
PS> cautious about being tall.

JS> Yeah...but David slew Goliath courtesy the major assistance of God.

You don't have God on your side any more than I do.


... Drunk Borg: "Rsilience in floor tile. Wan'be similated?"
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:22
EID:82ae 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be564
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Staal shows his colon"

ML> Get it right, for the first time in your fetid little
ML> trischizophrenic life.

JS> OK. ENOUGH _IS_ INDEED ENOUGH! LUMP IS NO ENGLISH MAJOR, YOU ONE ARMED
JS> PAPER HANGING TWIT! _I_ WAS THE ENGLISH MAJOR! Give it a rest,
JS> already, will ya?

 This is the most "Christian" thing I've seen you write in weeks.
Did Jesus ever talk to people like that over such trifles? 


... The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:22
EID:1936 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be565
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "alleged 'christians'..."

PS> Point being? Most of us here just aren't your friends. As soon as you
PS> learn to accept the fact that just because I'm not your friend does
PS> not automatically mean that I am an enemy who seeks to destroy you and
PS> your children so that your kind will breed no more, then you'll do a
PS> bit better.

JS> And as soon as you cease to act like one, I might get that idea,
JS> Preston.

 Jim, if I sought to destroy you, you would already be gone.
But then, you're not that important to me. You're just a feeble little
man that I can poke into saying the most amusing things.

PS> But you do not portray yourself as such here. Your language strikes
me
PS> as stilted (too much effort at impressing people with your vocabulary,
PS> though it seems to be no better than average),

JS> Uh...excuse me!? You are the one who sleeps with his F&W just to come
JS> up with a new one here...

That's an amusing claim. Gives me grins just to think of it, especially
since I don't own a Funk and Wagnall's.

PS> and your intelligence
PS> seems to be highly questionable at best, given your adamant refusal
PS> to consider alternate sources of information to your Bible.

JS> For me there is no alternate source of spiritual information...

Too bad you insist on using it for factual information as well. A
wellspring of knowledge it isn't, Jim.

PS> Would it be overly presumptuous of me to assume that as a Christian,
PS> you would continue to make an effort at civil discussion despite
PS> being frustrated in that aim?

JS> Every time I sit at my keyboard, Preston, I make that attempt. Even

Really?  I don't see it often.

JS> now. I am not the one who cannot seem to communicate without
JS> resorting to name calling (I know, it has happened a couple of times,

Oh no?

JS> but is not the norm) or belittling someone else's intellect because
JS> they possess something you will not let yourself have.

What have you got that I could possibly be interested in? You've given
yourself into slavery, you funny little man.

PS> That you would "treat your enemies with
PS> kindness, and so heap coals of fire upon their heads"?

JS> That is not my goal here...to make you responsible, yes, but to
JS> condemn you, no...

The passage says nothing of condemning people, Jim. It merely speaks of
making them feel ashamed for being abusive. But if you *like* to
misinterpret scripture, go right ahead. I'll still be laughing at you.

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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Jim Staal
|Sub:  Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Mr. Miller...problem?"

PS> Oh, I see. Since Jimmy Swaggart never *actually* touched the
PS> prostitute, he wasn't actually sinning, was he?

JS> Oh...there is really nothing to _see_ or perceive in _empty_ echo
JS> areas, are there? I'm not defending anything of the sort...I am not
JS> condoning it either...sounds like the man is changing in his life,
JS> however... 

Get off it, Staal. Just admit that you're desperate for allies to fight
us nasty old non-Christians and get on with your life. Those mental
gymnastics of yours look to be about as graceful as the Keystone Kops.

... Death and taxes are both certain...but death isn't annual.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  BAD GOD! BAD!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "BAD GOD! BAD!"

AS> And that idiot Gere prefers Buddhist retreats to her. To each their
AS> own... but that strikes me as TRUE religious fanatacism.

PS> *I* think it's just plain insanity, but that's me.

AS> Someday he's going to get an interview with the Dalai Lama, and the
AS> Dalai Lama will say, "My son, true wisdom is found by KEEPING a woman
AS> such as Cindy Crawford happy, not throwing her away like a used
AS> rag...." 

 Ricky will kick himself to death for doing so long before then,
if he's any kind of normal person at all.

... "A young doctor means a new graveyard."  - German proverb
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "NO I'M NOT DEAD"

AS> Those of you who see this post, please respond. I am trying to

Sure. Hi, Al.




... "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -Bishop
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Sue Armstrong
|Sub:  An interesting situation
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sue Armstrong mumbled "An interesting situation"

PS> I've had this new number for a year. I still get calls for the
PS> Holleys.  

SA> Heh.  Well, I've noticed that the new message I put on the machine 
SA> tends to put people off, quickly.  I guess they realise that whoever


I recently put a new one on my machine.

SA> mildly sick, in a humourous way.  It goes something like "I can't come
SA> to the phone right now, because aliens are eating my brain.  But leave
SA> a message anyway - I'm sure that when one of them assumes my form, 
SA> they'll be getting back to you."  I guess you'd have to be pretty 
SA> determined to get past THAT. :)

Yecch. I'm turning green just seeing it. 

PS>  Neat story. I have people ask the most inane questions. "Do you
PS> know if they've moved out of state?" "Could you give him a message?"
PS> "Do you know where I might find him?" Sheesh. I'm not omniscient.

SA> Hehehehehe. Like one really even KNOWS the person who had the last 
SA> number - it's not like moving or something, where you actually might

SA> meet the previous owners.  

True. I did call him once to tell him that people were still calling for
him. He asked me to pass on his new number to those people. Have I done
that? Hell, no. If he's not going to pay me, I'm not going to be his
forwarding service.  (Yes, I'm a mercenary little bastard. So
sue me.)

... Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Elvis Grace'Lnd wgah'nagl fhtagn.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Sue Armstrong
|Sub:  Homosexual Christians?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sue Armstrong mumbled "Homosexual Christians?"

PS>  But the two languages look similar in many ways. I've been able
PS> to puzzle out some Spanish phrases because of their similarity to
PS> French ones.

SA> Heh. I only know a few Spanish words from watching American Sesame 
SA> Street episodes as a kid. :)   Pelli .. gro.  
SA> Pelli..gro! Pelligro!  Pelligro! 



... "I need a stunt double!" -- Calvin
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Brian Kolacy
|Sub:  hey, i'm new
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Brian Kolacy mumbled "hey, i'm new"

PS>I think you need to stop thinking that you're God.

BK> He might start pissing off Dan Ceppa, for one (Or is it Dave
BK> Worrell?).   One of them just might decide to smite him if he doesn't
BK> knock it  off...:)

Hey, don't forget that I'm a god. (Okay, a minor god, but I'm still a
god, dammit!)

... "I couldn't shoot a game of pool with a shotgun." -- Sam Beckett
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Ed Dutkiewicz
|Sub:  Spear in side
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ed Dutkiewicz mumbled "Spear in side"

>You're paying no attention at all to what I said, Douglas. The nails
>couldn't have been in his hands.

ED> It could have if they used ropes, too.

It wouldn't have made a lot of sense. The available evidence shows that
the Romans put the nails through the wrists nearly all (if not all) the
time.


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Richard Morrison
|Sub:  bang
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "bang"

KD>RM>Then what caused the bang?

KD>Damn if I know.  Where'd God come from?

RM> God always was.... He's the beginning and the end...

Why couldn't the materials for the Bang have always been there? Why is
your god special?



... File not found. Should I fake it? (y/n)
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Richard Morrison
|Sub:  Re: -------
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:25
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "Re: -------"

PS> RM> Yea, but they don't say which one do they? Yal Bu Yan  is 
PS> RM> Freemasons' god. Actually, again, you should read some of Jeff

PS>And on what grounds do you base this claim, out of curiosity

RM> On their beliefs... Luke Clark substantiated it as well and seems much
RM> more studied on them then myself and also corrected my spelling. 


Seeing as how the Freemasons are rather secretive about what it is they
do and what exactly they believe, where are you getting your information?


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Richard Morrison
|Sub:  ?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:25
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "?"

PS>When I go outside, I see grass, a few scraggly trees, many houses, 
PS>roads, and the sky. No evidence of the story of the Garden of Eden.
PS>evidence supporting the Biblical story of creation. None.

RM> Evidence of a designer though? 

If there were a designer, he was a sloppy one. One has only to look at
male and female human reproductive systems for evidence of that.

PS>Define "today's society" in light of the fact that we have a myriad
PS>them available to choose from.

RM> Haven't we always had a myriad of them available? 

Yes. How can you speak of "today's society," then? There is no one-world
society.

PS>Of many things, yes. About the biggest crime I've ever committed is
PS>like a complete and total jerk without due cause. Is that worth kil
PS>someone over?

RM> No, I don't think so. How do we know what those people were like then

RM> however and what they were doing? I don't know. Do you?  

I ask again, with more emphasis: What the fuck does an infant do that makes
it worthy of death?

PS>IMO, yes. If you fantasize day after day about murdering me, harbor
PS>resentment in the very core of your being, and let it fester for ye
PS>then you still haven't done anything wrong as far as I know.

RM> Well, yes in one light. Jesus taught though that even to hate your 
RM> brother is to be a murderer. No actions were committed but it's still

RM> the same in His eyes. 

That's your opinion. You asked me for mine.

RM> a guy arrested in my town here not too long ago by the Secret Service
RM> (think it was Secret Squirrel ) for verbalizing what he thought 
RM> should happen to president Clinton. I guess then there is a higher 

Understandable. The SS is charged with dealing with threats (potential
or actual) to the President.

RM> morality even in our own gov't. Again, I don't know the hearts of 
RM> those that God moved his people against but to say they were innocent

RM> is not a substantiated claim by anyone. It's an assumption at best and

What do babies do that makes them worthy of killing, Richard? Do babies
kill? Do they steal? Do they rape? Do they worship false gods?

PS>Why then can I not say that the elements were always there? Why doe
PS>God get a special dispensation to ignore the observed laws of the u
PS>If God can be said to have "always existed," why can it not be said
PS>the universe has "always existed"? Why the double standard, Richard

RM> Because these, in your opinion, are in conflict with each other. 

You don't know my opinion, Richard. I don't know how or why the universe
started or even if it did. As far as I know, it's always been here. I
leave the speculation on its actual origins to people who are more
devoted to it than I am. But when I see people claiming that something
must be true simply because an old book says it (and ignore the evidence
to boot), then I feel it necessary to interject my opinion.

RM> Either one did or the other. I find it easier to believe in God then

RM> believing in evolution or the big band and that it was all just by 
RM> mere coincidence. There are the two sides. If I'm wrong what have I


That's no answer. It's always been easier for people to believe in
gods, demons, and other unevidenced entities than it has been for them
to accept the evidence.

RM> lost? If you are what have you lost? That's a small trifle attempt at


Pascal's Wager? Spare me. What if we're both wrong?

RM> understanding but it is still a concern as well. God, a being, 
RM> elements just mindless mass. One Created, the other, was created. Why

RM> worship the creation over the creator?  

Why insist that there had to be a creator? Why not accept that we're here
and get on with our lives?

PS>Why must you insist that your religion is a panacea for the ills of
PS>mind? 

RM> My main insistence is that it's a main cure for the sin in mankind and
RM> for eternal life / salvation from the second death. As for the ills

And you have no evidence of eternal life or a second death.

RM> someone else's idea not mine. I can promise you trial and tribulation

RM> if you become a Christian but certainly peace and strength as well.


And you would be lying. When I was a Christian, I had plenty of trials and
tribulations and no peace and no strength at all.

RM> After that, a taking away when Christ returns or going to heaven when

RM> you lay your body down for the last. 

An eternity of anything is bound to get boring after a while, Richard.

PS>Myself and my esteemed colleagues here, though perhaps I am presump
PS>in speaking for them in this instance.

RM> I think you are in any instance here in this form.

Thank you for your judgmentalism.


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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:25
EID:cea1 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be571
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "FOF"

PS> You are correct. "Midnight Cowboy" and "A Clockwork Orange" are both
PS> labelled X--in fact, I seem to recall that "Midnight Cowboy" was the
PS> first X-rated flick to ever be nominated for (or win) one of the
PS> motion-picture awards (can't remember which one--damn this cheesy

DC> _Midnight Cowboy_ was the one that one the Oscar for best picture. 

DC> However, it is now given a 'R' rating.  

Okay. Thanks for the info.



... I had my car's alignment checked. It was chaotic evil.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:25
EID:9556 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be572
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "Preston's temper tantrum."

PS> I'm composing a list now, leaning heavily towards the obscure words.

DC> That's not really necessary, you know.  Quoting to him out of 
DC> _Dick and Jane_ will keep him occupied for at least a billion 
DC> years or so...  

Back in the '80s, Dick and Jane books were outlawed in Florida as being
"insulting to children's intelligence."


... Famous last words: "I want to challenge my god to a duel!"
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Abortion
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:25
EID:a0d2 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be573
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "Abortion"

PS> with these things. At least *I* have the good taste not to guffaw
PS> at your obvious lack of taste in potables. 

DC> Careful, Preston...  We may soon find out just how many nails 
DC> are really needed to crucify a god!  

"Okay guys, let me down. I was only kidding."

DC> So, hows the Twinkie business?    

Rotten as usual. There's not enough demand for the damned things. 


... We'll get along fine as soon as you realize that I'm God.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  ARK
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:26
EID:9ad8 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be574
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "ARK"

PS> The _Turtle_ was designed by David Bushnell (I believe). Ericsson was

DC> That sounds better.  Erickson did seem to be of a later era.  

Yes indeedy.

PS> A plot foiled by the fact that her target, the _Eagle_, had a copper-
PS> plated hull or some such.

DC> That, too, siounds right.  However, as you, or another poster, 
DC> pointed out, it was enough to scare the British navy into deeper 
DC> water.  

It was indeed. Lee couldn't attach the bomb, and by the time he started
peddling away, the British could see him (he'd worked throughout the
night and into dawn) and sent a raft out to intercept him. He released
the bomb his ship was carrying and scared off the Brits long enough for
him to get to shore and escape.

... "A duel of wits?  To the DEATH?"
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Lynda goes over...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:26
EID:22e5 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be575
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "Lynda goes over..."

PS> I hadn't noticed. I've had a cold lately. Is it me, or is Jim getting
PS> more paranoid?

DC> Nope, he's getting far more paranoid than he ever was.  Wonder 
DC> what will happen if he ever logs on to the Get_Jim Echo?  

I know not. Let's find out. 

... "Only a fool tells the bald truth on social occasions." -- RAH
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Dan Ceppa
|Sub:  Re: dipstick sees UFO...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:26
EID:adac 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be576
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dan Ceppa mumbled "Re: dipstick sees UFO..."

PS> It seems to so far, but the word for shit is female, which makes me
PS> wonder about the French.

DC> See, now you can swear in 2 languages.  Sacre blue!  And, yes, 
DC> everyone wonders about the French.  

I used to be able to swear in six or seven.

PS> I've got a huge problem with speaking the language as I can't think
in
PS> it. 

DC> That'll come, if you really get into the language.  I didn't realize

DC> I had learned how to do it until I spoke in French to the Hungarian

DC> garcon at a fancy restuarant.  And, no, he didn't speak French!  

 Cute. I bet he looked surprised.

... Cthulhu attended the Olympics.  He likes fast food!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Ladybrat
|Sub:  Christianity...today.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:06:26
EID:8158 203c80c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310be577
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ladybrat mumbled "Christianity...today."

PS>  PS> Christians who uphold the Bible? Well, that's one list that you
aren't
PS>  PS> on.

PS>  JS> Hello!? I hold the Bible up to you and the others on this echo
all
PS>  JS> the time.

La> It sounds as if to me, this kind of bickering is not Biblical.

Probably not, but then, I don't follow Biblical precepts, whereas Jim
claims to do so.


... Amish pickup line:  "Art thee up for some plowing?"
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:14:16
EID:26cc 203c81c0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 310ba10e
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10a86e93
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Ryan!

Saturni dies January 27 1996, Dixit Ryan Shaw ad Preston Simpson:

RS> Of course that doesn't do justice to the song.  Pick up `Magical Mystery
RS> Tour' and have a listen.

I have a copy of the album imported from Uruguay, and the cover is in Spanish.
"Yo Soy La Morsa," "Frutillas," and "Hola, Adi˘s" are some of the song titles.
:)

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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  Pink?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:15:50
EID:e01d 203c81e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 310ba14a
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f17
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Preston!

Saturni dies January 27 1996, Dixit Preston Simpson ad Jim Staal:

JS>> DEFINE THEY!
PS> You happy?

Why do you have to explain "they" to an English major? 

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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Judgment
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:35:44
EID:1d90 203c8460
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10b03492
REPLY: 1:271/460 310ae9e6
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Kenneth Mcabee wrote in a message to Steve Rose:

SR> My life will be lived in reality.  Try it some time.

KM> I do, I just wish some others would wake up to what reality really
KM> is. 

So NOW I see your problem.  When reality is not good enough for you...you
would much rather re-write it with your own fairy-tale fictional rules and
live by them, instead?  Then you expect others to accept YOUR version of
pipe-dreams and puffy clouds... and submit to it, as well??


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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   AL SCHROEDER
|Sub:  HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:30:51
EID:4582 203c83c0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10b03490
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
AS> I would be  delighted for you to prove me wrong.

I am sure you would...as your painted future would look very bleek, indeed.
But you make the outrageous claims of gawdings...so YOU provide the actual
evidence for them.  That is the rules...and even you must abide by them.
Sorry.

AS> It is no fun debating with the  less-informed than oneself.

Tell me about it!  But religionoids are fun to debate anyway...as they always
seem to fall back to their mythical gawds and babble characters.  We have
a blast watching them dig their hole ever so deeper...and lie in it.  :)

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|From: Frederick Leff
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  YHWH
|Date: 28 Jan 96  11:22:22
EID:4984 203c5ac0
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89104386
MSGID: 1:152/20.666 10ba4a10
Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Luke Clark:

MH>  Jesus promises that all who earnestly seek the truth will
MH> find it.

Well then, I suggest you start by reading a few books on genetics, anthropology,
geology, and astronomy.  You'll find the truth in such books.  Your bible
is mostly a bunch of myths.

MH> When the Bible says that those  who don't believe in Jesus are
MH> damned, it's speaking to people who have  heard of Jesus.

How do you know this?  Why are they damned?  What if they hear of him but
do not understand what it all means?  Are they damned too? 

MH> God made us in his image for the purpose of being unified with him.

What does "in his image mean"?

MH> I believe the unpleasantness of hell comes from what the  
MH> residents there do to each other, and from regret that they 
MH> didn't  repent while they had the opportunity.

How do you come to this conclusion?  What you are saying is all us Atheists
and Agnostics, how are friends to one another, make each other's lives a
living hell down under?  Get real!  A more likely story is that we all party
big time down there.

Hey, toss me another beer, it's mighty hot down here!

-Frederick

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|From: Frederick Leff
|To:   Steve Wallis
|Sub:  Why
|Date: 28 Jan 96  11:34:18
EID:11df 203c5c40
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3109213c
MSGID: 1:152/20.666 10ba4a11
Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Sue Armstrong:

SW> The Lord scoffs at the wicked. Then He speaks to them in
SW> His anger and   terrifies them in His furry."

I thought your god loved everyone?  Now you are saying that he terrifies
his children?  If a father did such things he'd be in jail.

SW> Since God is Holy, He cannot and will not let sin remain in His 
SW> presence. 

Huh?  Sin is all around us.  You bible says all people live in sin.  Since
sin does exist, and your god will not allow sin to exist while he exists,
then your god does not exist.

Nice logic you have there!

SW> The restoration of all things is near at hand. 

How near?  People were saying the same thing 2,000 years ago.  Get real!

-Frederick

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Fof
|Date: 28 Jan 96  13:00:43
EID:f112 203c6800
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310b73c1
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31092562

26 Jan 96 14:03, Robert Jackson wrote to Kevin D. Mckenzie:

RJ>> 'Course, it didn't pick up the sobriquet "Popemobile"
RJ>> until       after the bulletproof dome, jetpack, and
RJ>> Bat-grappling hooks       were installed.

KDM>> So, does Popeman have a sidekick?

RJ>         Yeah, ALTARBOY   Fearless Defender of the Faith,
RJ>         with his Super Zap-O-Censer, which discharges a noxious
RJ>         gascloud of holy smoke at The Evil.

ALTARBOY, F.D.O.F?  Didn't you forget about his permanently lubed ass?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:28:39
EID:986b 203c7380
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310b887a
REPLY: 3:711/933 31078cfc

25 Jan 96 13:08, Anthony Grigor-Scott wrote to Jose Gomez:

AS> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but God is NOT known by psychology
AS> `hell' is lined with good intentions ... and preachers. God is known
AS> by faith alone and He's placed all in Adam's race on the same basis
as
AS> Adam and Eve .... free moral agency - to do what they choose with His
AS> Word when they encounter It.

JG>> I want to let you know that God is VERY real, and He loves you
JG>> all.

AS> He is indeed very Real, but there is no way you can claim - contrary
AS> to what He has clearly stated, that `He loves you all'. He does NOT.

[lots of similar nonsense deleted]

I'm waiting for Jim (and Mike, Christian, et al) to accuse Tony of sucking
up to the atheists.

I wonder how long I'll have to wait?

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 28 Jan 96  15:34:09
EID:93ec 203c7c40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310b97e4
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f09

27 Jan 96 11:12, Preston Simpson wrote to Marty Leipzig:

ML>> Coo-coo-katchoo. Coo-coo-katchoo. I am the Walrus.

ML>> Sound familiar?

PS> I catch the reference, but I've always hated the Beatles.

Get your affairs in order.  I'll be in Memphis in May.  You'll be in a morgue
shortly thereafter.

PS> Elvis too.

Hmmmm.... I guess I can forgive the blasphemy against the Beatles since
you're an Elvis hater.

Don't let it happen again, though.

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  soup's on
|Date: 28 Jan 96  14:25:44
EID:4f85 203c7320
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310b87a5

26 Jan 96 12:45, Judith Bandsma wrote to Don Martin:

dm>> Gertrude Stein's great and good friend. When do I get my
dm>> $64,000? (Don't be like a fundy confronted with a promissory
dm>> note and try to ignore this . . . )

JB> Read my wording again...I said it was a $64,000 QUESTION, not that you
JB> would get that much for answering it. That happens to be the amount
I
JB> PAID for it. 

I guess you just deleted the context on accident, huh?  You're acting like
a fundy running from a hurtful question, Judith. :)

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|From: David Worrell
|To:   Boni Hitch
|Sub:  talking critters
|Date: 28 Jan 96  15:39:55
EID:bb81 203c7ce0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310b99d0
REPLY: 1:250/1004 0d840132

25 Jan 96 22:55, Boni Hitch wrote to J.J. Hitt:

BH> buffallo!  How come your illustrious ancestors didn't invent snowshoes
BH> and canoes?

Canoes?  Ever try to circumnavigate the world in a *canoe*?

BH> As for writing, most tribes had it.  Europeons couldn't READ it.  And
BH> we didn't have to kill trees to do it, either!  Ever heard of
BH> petroglyphs? Wampum belts? etc. etc...

A fat lot of good either of 'em did you.

BH> A fellow Native once said, "Shit, if we knew then, what we know
BH> now-- when we saw 'em on the shore, starving and shivering--we
BH> shoulda  camped a hundred miles up the shore and left 'em
BH> there!"...:)

It would only have postponed the inevitable.

BH> WHO had the first "Morse code"?

Let me ask a more important question:  Who let themselves be damn near wiped
off the face of the Earth by a bunch of shitheads who didn't have snowshoes,
Morse Code, and canoes?

BH> WHO are the only people to have NEVER lost a war against you?

Err... the North Vietnamese?

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|From: Don Martin
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  dipstick sees UFO...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  06:03:27
EID:4e69 203c3060
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 310b49dc
Steve Quarrella said "dipstick sees UFO..." to George Rudzinski, adding:


SQ> I have a mail out to a cousin of mine (who's finishing up his MA in
SQ> English), hoping he can tell me what kind of degree one can get in
SQ> English without having had to read any literature.  I expect a one-word
SQ> reply:  "Associate's." 

Rather than the degree, it is the school that counts. By the
time I got my associate's degree, I had surveyed all of English and
American lit and read about a third of Shakespear's plays. While
survey courses are not known for their depth, they do provide a deal
of breadth--one is supposed to go into detail with the upper
division courses, while the surveys help you with the context in
which that detail dwells (and, with luck, grows by connections with
other works). I went to pretty good schools.

On the other hand, there are schools where people get BAs
without the ability to read a menu. "Life experience" counts for a
great deal at such places: many here could, under such a system, get
doctorates in proctology for their many years of being assholes.

... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)

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|From: Don Martin
|To:   Damien Wellman
|Sub:  further comments??
|Date: 28 Jan 96  06:03:28
EID:de37 203c3060
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 310b49dd
REPLY: 1:262/20 3105C4F4
Damien Wellman said "further comments??" to George Pope, adding: 

GP> actually, TRUE Christian "principles/tenets" as laid down by the
GP> authority of God (as opposed to the dictionary's "authority of the
GP> Church") do not categorically dismiss Jewish Law, only the
GP> humanist/legalistic interpretations thereof... (Judaism had built up
a
GP> whole industry on stronger-than-warranted interpretations of laws that
GP> were more ceremonial than beneficial.)

DW> Do you wear clothes of mixed fabrics? Any polyester blends? If so,
DW> you are in direct violation of Jewish law as laid down in Leviticus.

Don't talk to George about clothes. He is not interested in
clothes. He wants to talk about QUEERS. Homos asprawl on beds of
luxury, nellies neighing across crowded cocktail (is there a double
meaning there?) parties, fruits mutually fondling naughty bits,
buggars scoring yet another hole in one. THAT's what he wants to
talk about, and he goes on doing it, doesn't he? Post after post of
perfectly frantic stuff. It is amazing how he can type so much
one-handed.

Pity he doesn't do clothes, though. Dress him up, and you could
probably take him anywhere.

... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)

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|From: Don Martin
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 28 Jan 96  06:03:28
EID:7434 203c3060
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 310b49de
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Andrew Masten said "Thumb-sucking Fundy" to David Worrell, adding: 

AM> How often do you hear people say why does God allow such evil to
AM> exist? A points reached when God judges a land.

DW> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified abomionations,
DW> yet he does not judge Nazi Germany?  That's a pretty fucked up God you
DW> worship. 

AM> Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond? Where
AM> is the thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and terminated.

You would have us believe that it was some god that "judged and
terminated" the Third Reich and NOT the 'blood, sweat, tears, and
toil' of the Allied forces? Evidence, please, for your innuendo.

... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)

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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Karl Schneider
|Sub:  2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:09
EID:a321 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c3389
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Karl Schneider mumbled "2 SO, WHY GOD?"

PS> JS> I have seen no evidence of it...for _I_ am 6'7", 285lbs of well
marbled
PS> JS> Hollander...

PS>Do you at all expect us to be impressed, Jim?

KS> Actually, such a consequence of mutagenics sort of impresses me...
KS> sort of like a 2-headed snake...




... Another brilyunt mind diztroyed by publik edukashn!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Jeezoids
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:09
EID:244e 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c338a
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ryan Shaw mumbled "Jeezoids"

GR> Has anyone in your family ever served in the military or do you
GR> come from a long line of loud mouth yellow bastards?

RS> My grandfathers faught in World War II, both flew Corsair's off of
RS> carriers in the Pacific theater.  My father `dodged' the Vietnam draft
RS> by going to Brazil with the Peace Corp.  He built schools and roads
RS> there.  I have no plans to pick up a rifle and go people hunting in
my
RS> lifetime. 
RS> Does this make me a yellow bastard as well?

Every male member of my family on both sides has served in the armed forces
at one time or another. Since I choose not to fight in a war unless I
believe in it, does this make me a yellow bastard?


... Back up my hard disk? I can't find the reverse switch!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:10
EID:7453 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c338b
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ryan Shaw mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""

RS>  ! Origin:  Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye. 

PS> I'm dying of curiosity. Where the hell did your origin line come
PS> from? 

RS> From `I am the Walrus' as sung [and written] by John Lennon whilst he
RS> was with the Beatles: 



RS> Of course that doesn't do justice to the song.  Pick up `Magical
RS> Mystery Tour' and have a listen.  

No, thanks. I've pretty much always hated the Beatles.


... *BLAM!* *BLAM!*  Make peck'ular patterns in my wheat field, will ya?!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   J.J. Hitt
|Sub:  ARK
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:10
EID:8801 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c338c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, J.J. Hitt mumbled "ARK"

PS> Now you know why the Southerners referred to it as the 
PS> Peripatetic Coffin.

JH> No, I have no fucking idea whatsoever as to why anyone would
JH> call a submarine that. What does it have to go with Aristotle?

How in the hell should I know? I was referring to the coffin bit.


... "Ray, if someone asks if you're a god, you say YES!" - Ghostbusters
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub:  HS WEB PAGE
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:10
EID:62fb 203cad00
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Gwenny the Pooh mumbled "HS WEB PAGE"

PS> I did. No problem with the kidneys that bloodwork turned up, though
I'm
PS> anemic. If the headaches continue, I may get put on a drug that's supposed
PS> to stop 'em before they start.

GtP> Have you tried any of the newer "alternative" therapies...I don't mean
GtP> the hocus-pocus White Light healers??  There are different types of

I'd be worried about you if you had suggested them. You have to know
what kind of stock I put in those things.

GtP> the massage therapy and, of course, chiropractic.  Also, have you

The only chiropractic therapy I get is by having friends of mine
occasionally walk on my back when I can't pop all of the aches out of it
by myself. It works pretty well, actually.

GtP> ruled out an environmental cause?  I hate drugs, so I try to find

I've detected nothing in my environment that would be a problem. That
doesn't mean that it isn't there, though.

GtP> other cures.  

 So I see.

... DM Advice: Every tavern scene should end in a brawl.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub:  Why
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:10
EID:ae29 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c338e
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Gwenny the Pooh mumbled "Why"

PS> Maybe I need to study up on this when I have a spare moment (about 2012).

GtP> I don't know.  Most Wiccan coven are pretty picky.  They might not
GtP> want you.  

I might not want them, either. 

... SATANIC (say tan' ik) adj. Anything a Fundy is ignorant about.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Re: yer momma sews socks
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:10
EID:26be 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c338f
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "Re: yer momma sews
socks"

PS>needed it. Not as fancy as a 486DX2, maybe, but it'll do what I want
PS>it to do. 

KDM>   OTOH, that was how I got my Packard Hell; a mixed blessing,
KDM> as it was.

I've still got mine laying around, scavanged for spare parts but still
largely functional.

PS>He's in love. That explains the euphoria. "...and other shit." Do
PS>people just hand him boxes of carefully-packed manure, or does he
PS>step in it?

KDM> Nah.  People probably just pour it on him.

Probably so.

... Disk Failure: (C)old boot; (W)arm boot; (S)teel-toed boot
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  White-lighter religions
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:11
EID:482c 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c3390
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "White-lighter religions"

PS>I understand completely, having only just switched from a Packard
PS>Bell to something hopefully more reliable.

KDM> What, an abacus?

An AT&T 380 TPC. I had to disassemble it a few times and install new
hardware (from my old system) before I could get it to work fairly
well, and even now, I'm going to have to do it again to try to get it
to work *just so*.


... HolySmoke: A head-on collision on the Information Superhighway.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:11
EID:2d74 203cad00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c3391
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ryan Shaw mumbled "A DAY IN THE LIFE..."

PS> Reason? Fed Ex is based here. The government and many businesses
PS> send lots of stuff via Fed Ex, which means that most of it winds up
PS> passing through Memphis at some point or another. Memphis is a
PS> major distributive center, and further, a nuclear hit here might be
PS> enough to set off the New Madrid Fault and would definitely close
PS> the Mississippi to most shipping if the bomb was "dirty." 

RS> Heh.  I guess we're lucky here in Eugene.  If someone bombed us you'd
RS> have a lot of dead hippies.  No on likes dead hippies. 

 I know of people who would disagree.

... The Illuminati do not exist.  Really.  We're not kidding.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:40:11
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MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310c3392
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "Re: Mr. Miller...problem?"

PS> Oh, I see. Since Jimmy Swaggart never *actually* touched the 
PS> prostitute, he wasn't actually sinning, was he?

MG> A moot point.  Brother Jimmy S. did touch her beofre it was all over.

MG> More than once. 

 Okay.


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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Women...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:42:27
EID:adf7 203b9d40
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Jim Staal <=-

RS> It's simple.  What you have is a man [or a woman]

JS>  Uh...not in _my_ church...

RS> What's wrong [and I'm assuming that you're speaking of a female
RS> minister here...correct me if I'm wrong] with having a female
RS> minister?

I don't know what is 'wrong' with having a woman pastor (or elder or
deacon) other than the Bible indicates it is not the thing to do:

(1 Tim 2:12 NIV)  I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority
over a man; she must be silent.

And on the positive side it clearly indicates that it should be a male
person:

(1 Tim 3:2 NIV)  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband
of but one wife,

(1 Tim 3:8 NIV)  Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect,

Nothing personal, merely biblical instruction, therefore it is done in
that manner. These things are changing. At last year's synod, it was
decided that individual classis could determine for that classis and as
always, the individual congregation has the final say, once synod and
classis has given approval.

RS> It's simple.  What you have is a man [or a woman] standing in
RS> front of
RS> people telling them what to believe.

JS>  That is where we disagree, Ryan. The preacher is not telling us
JS> what to  believe. We believe what is in the Bible. That is plain
JS> for all to see.  The preacher's job is to exhort us to put it into

RS> Do you ever stand up and ask questions?

Not in the worship service as it has structure as per Paulline
directive. In our midweek Bible study however, question is the name of
the game.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Ryan Shaw
|Sub:  Time...is on my side...yes, it is...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:42:44
EID:52cd 203b9d40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82cd
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Jim Staal <=-

RS> @MSGID: 1:152/67.0 106e409d
RS> Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:

RS> What's wrong with a little research?  You could actually figure out
RS> that you were wrong about some things.

JS> Agreed. I just do not necessarily have the desire or the time. I
JS> do, however, read what those more educated in given areas have to
JS> say on these topics here, and take note of what they have to say.

RS> But you have enough time for your religion?

There comes a time in one's life, that if he/she is going to be serious
about this thing that time must be set apart for it. In other words, I
take the time.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Mark Hogan
|Sub:  behind a monitor?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:43:04
EID:9948 203b9d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82ce
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Jim Staal <=-

JS> I referencing the personal attacks that were foisted upon me the day
JS> I walked into this place. My point was this: I can walk into the
JS> toughest bar in the city and people don't do that. I can walk into a
JS> restaurant, and have a discussion with individuals and people do not
JS> treat one another in person in the same manner that they do when they
JS> can hide behind a monitor.

MH> Oh, so you'd rather people duked it out, or hid behind a weapon.
MH> I see. Good reasoning.

I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely suggest that a person conduct
themselves here as they would in person. Things would be a whole lot
more constructive that way. I also pointed out that at least in my
personal experience, people who discuss things face to face do not
behave in the manner they do in an anonymous medium such as this. True,
some do behave this way (usually when drunk) in person, but not the
ratio as in this faceless medium. This leads me to believ one of two
things:

a. this place is populated by a large number of violent-pron or
drunk individuals :), or
b. it is something that is unwittingly promoted by fact it is a
faceless medium .

MH> This medium precludes physical violence. This is a good thing,
MH> especially when the subject matter and peoples' tempers are
MH> considered. Why you're so disposed in using size as a reason for
MH> people to not debate with you is still, in one way or another,
MH> foolish.

If people would use common decency with as measure of dignity and
respect there wouldn't be this sort of problem.

MH> "People wouldn't do {this_thing_or_action} to me if they could
MH> see me." [sic] This has little bearing on anything that happens here.

(what's this [sic] all about?) Merely an example...not to be taken in
such a literal manner...

MH> You're in a wholly different medium. You must accept that. It's not
MH> cowardly, it's simply the agent that is used to 'connect' us all. I
MH> can only advise you to 'get used to it.' Your complaint about size,
or
MH> the cravenness of the people here, is irrelevent.

As it would/does not happen in 'real time' I see it as cowardly _and_
very relevant.





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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Evidence!?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:43:20
EID:bc01 203b9d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82cf
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Jim Staal <=-

JS> Hmmm...can you evidence this alleged 'insanity'?

KDM> Yes.  If I remember correctly, you said that one of the reasons you
KDM> believe in God is that there is no evidence for the flood.

Huh!? Where did/why would I say such a silly thing?

KDM> Now, I am
KDM> not denying that an omnipotent being could flood the planet and leave
KDM> no evidence; what I am asking is why an omnipotent being would, in
KDM> effect, lie, and why you would worship such a being.

Why is it a lie?

One reason would be to require faith. No one needs faith to accept the
blatant obvious. (although for those who believe, the existance of God
is blatantly obvious.)


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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub:  Love me for what I am...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:43:31
EID:48fc 203b9d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Jim Staal <=-

KDM> What do you expect, Jim?  You insult someone, and then they're
KDM> supposed to be nice to you?

JS> Uh...excuse me!? The insult came my way first...

KDM> Perhaps so; I may have missed it.  Either way, Lynda doesn't have to
KDM> respect you, or like you, merely because you give the same name to
the
KDM> god you worship.

Perhaps not in the eyes of man...

JS>You some sort of 'limey', dude?

KDM> No, just a reader of British fiction and a watcher of British TV
KDM> shows.

Cool. I can accept that...

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Preston Simpson
|Sub:  Circular...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:43:43
EID:ac07 203b9d60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d1
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-

PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3107eaf3
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "REDACTED STORIES"

JS> And it can only be accepted by faith. I have no problem with that. 2
JS> Timothy 3:16 says it for me, Dick.

PS> That is circular reasoning, Jim. You might as well say that because
PS> this IOU I have says that it's true, then you really do owe me US$1.8
PS> billion.

Not even close.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Steve Rose
|Sub:  Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:20:04
EID:cc11 203b9a80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Jim Staal <=-

SR> They are highly focused on your wallet.  That part definately
SR> needs no speech.

JS> Hmmm...there was no evidence of it.

SR> Show us your weekly church contribution (tithe) list.  Your tax-return
SR> will do. All the evidence of your addiction one would ever need is on
SR> that paper.

That would not prove that the church required a thing from me. I could
go to church all the rest of my life and not contribute one cent and not
hear a word from them on the matter. (I would lose at the IRS office, but
that is another story) Why is it you people have this twisted idea about
the church and money? I don't get it. You get too much of your religion
from TV, I guess...

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Steve Rose
|Sub:  Inflammatory...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:44:10
EID:c6e0 203b9d80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d3
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Jim Staal <=-

SR> @MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1070f05e
SR> Jim Staal wrote in a message to Al Schroeder:

AS>> noticed that the uh, more reactionary and flammatory people here
AS>> tend to have a wife or husband, or a relationship of some sort

JS> My point exactly with the more reactionary types like the Rice
JS> brothers, Ceppa, rudzinski etc.

SR> In sharp contrast to all the admitted
SR> loners...misfits...divorcees...and failed-suicidists that hail from
a
SR> number of indigenous jeezoid camps.

Could you be a bit more specific? I was...

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  What is Lynda talking about?
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:44:23
EID:4a0c 203b9d80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d4
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Jim Staal <=-

JS> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS> time with people like that'?

SQ> Why, "to combat the evil," of course!

JS> Not necessarily...perhaps just to make the evil totally responsible
JS> when the time comes for them to be so...

LB> IOW, "leading them into sin"?

Meaning?

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Lump
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:25:20
EID:9a8e 203b9b20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d5
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lump to Jim Staal <=-

JS> Uh...(psst...come closer...)  that was Marlon Brando Sheen was
JS> coming to kill. Duvall uttered his famous 'napalm' lines while
JS> standing up during some battle whilst everyone else was running for
JS> cover. Marlon said those famous words (same as I when I discovered Furd
JS> had spawned), 'The horror! The horror!'.

JS> Just thought you'd like to know, bro.

Lu> ....Uh oh, I feel as tho I must have been back in my Prime Tyme days
Lu> when I watched that movie.....{Gag, Choke, Puke} You're.......right.
Lu> I ......was............>>>>>>>>> wrong(cough).

Tough, ain't it? :) You spent a bit more time with Bud than I. I left
when I was still a teenager and found that the only way to live was to
admit wrong when I did it and get the woman offa my back.:)

But hey, at least in addition to all the denizens of evil who told you
about it, you a bro who could tell you in love.

... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub:  Con...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:44:53
EID:9c8a 203b9d80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d7
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Preston Simpson <=-

LB> @MSGID: 1:109/601.0 31078cb6
LB> Jim and Preston were killing time yakking about Marty!
LB> Marty! :
JS> Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty and
JS> instead you cut me once again ...

PS> Aw, whassamatter? Did little Jimmy get his poor little ego bruised
PS> again?

LB> "congenital"?

Man...I'm glad _somebody_ caught that...:)

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub:  Gweeny...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:45:04
EID:993c 203b9da0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d8
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Gwenny the Pooh to Marty Leipzig <=-

JS>> Hey, let's get the spelling of my good name correct, OK? 'STAAL'!
JS>> Never 'Stall'!

RS>> Staalin.

ML>> Staal's stalled in the vast lane.

GtP> Remember when he was calling me Gweeny and stuff like that.

Merely a typo, due to the problem I was having with my hands and the
time...


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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  Export...
|Date: 27 Jan 96  19:45:14
EID:60c7 203b9da0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310a82d9
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to AL SCHROEDER <=-



SQ> Might be of help when he goes to
SQ> India, as all he'd need to do is call his board, download a packet,
SQ> and read his mail from his laptop while he's planning the overthrow
of
SQ> the government in Tibet. :)

What possible evil could Fredric be up to that would take his miserable
hide to India. Don't they have enough problems over there?

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Abortion enslaves wom
|Date: 27 Jan 96  13:58:01
EID:5fc3 203b6f40
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c12055d
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
SUE ARMSTRONG spoke thusly to JUDITH BANDSMA:

SA> MR>And when your cat has a heart to heart talk with you, let me
SA>know.
SA> KDM> Well, she doesn't say much, but . . .
SA>
SA> JB> She doesn't? Mine say plenty; where's my food? this cat box
SA> JB> stinks? get this lump of dog out of my face? I knew you didn't
SA> JB> really want to eat that, that's why I took it off your plate.
SA> JB> but your shoe was so full of sand I knew it was meant for me.
SA> JB> don't disturb me when I'm sleeping on your book. this keyboard
SA> JB> looks like the perfect place for a nap.
SA> JB> And from all of them (9) at least 3 times a day each...WHO---ME?

  Missed this the first time.  Ever heard Leslie Fish's "Feline
American Princess?"  If not, I'll send you the lyrics.

... I neutered my cat. Now he's a consultant.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  Fof update
|Date: 27 Jan 96  14:19:02
EID:8cc5 203b7260
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c12056e
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
DAVID WORRELL spoke thusly to STYX ALLUM:

DW> >> Also aol has sent me one of their free trial disks and TWO free
DW> >> trials for GNN, their internet service.
DW>
DW> SA> Isn't it nice of them to keep sending us free backup diskettes?
DW>
DW>I've noticed that AOL has started sending its stuff on CD-ROM.
DW>Bastards.

But they make for *great* frisbees.  Or coasters.

... Hark!  What mail from yonder modem breaks?

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Jesse christ jones
|Date: 27 Jan 96  17:57:03
EID:36d7 203b8f20
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c12057f
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JUDITH BANDSMA spoke thusly to ROBERT JACKSON:

JB>It looks like we're going to CLEAR an extra 15K this year. And that's
JB>WITH paying for a second residence and the expenses of a car, which
JB>we didn't have before. I've managed to get every one of our bills
JB>caught up and am starting to replace the savings we had to use. By
JB>June, I should be able to afford the new computer I want without
JB>having to incur new debt to do it.

Congratulations!

... "And now the penguin on top of your television set will explode."

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub:  This totally blows m
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:41:04
EID:80fd 203c0520
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c120590
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
GWENNY THE spoke thusly to JUDITH BANDSMA:

GT>the projects in North Carolina, the neighbor kids asked me where the
GT>country Ohio was...

  Tell me about it.

"So, where are you going to college?"

"Case Western Reserve.   It's in Cleveland . . . Ohio.
It's a state.  Up north.  Near Canada."

... I'm an amateur crastinator.  Some day I'll turn pro.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Andrew Masten
|Sub:  Thumb-sucking fundy
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:43:05
EID:c76a 203c0560
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205a1
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:

AM> DW> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified
AM> DW> abomionations, yet he does not judge Nazi Germany?  That's a
AM> DW> pretty fucked up God you worship.
AM>
AM>        Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond? Where
AM>is the  thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and terminated.

Not by a god it wasn't.

... Nothing makes sense before noon.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Fof
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:52:06
EID:9dd5 203c0680
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205b2
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ROBERT JACKSON spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:

RJ> RJ>        'Course, it didn't pick up the sobriquet "Popemobile"
RJ> RJ>        until after the bulletproof dome, jetpack, and
RJ> RJ>        Bat-grappling hooks were installed.
RJ>
RJ> KDM> So, does Popeman have a sidekick?
RJ>
RJ>        Yeah, ALTARBOY   Fearless Defender of the Faith,
RJ>        with his Super Zap-O-Censer, which discharges a noxious
RJ>        gascloud of holy smoke at The Evil.
RJ>
RJ>        Many people wonder about the relationship of the turbulently
RJ>        troubled Popeman and his sidekick Altarboy, but since no one
RJ>        sees what goes on in the Popecave, it remains speculative.

  I should have known you wouldn't go for the easy pun.

... Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Les Wilcox
|Sub:  Hey, i'm new
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:53:07
EID:664b 203c06a0
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205c3
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
LES WILCOX spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:

LW>KD>Strike two.  A thief, and you judge others.  How can you call
LW>KD>*yourself* a Christian?
LW>
LW>
LW>        Kevin
LW>
LW>
LW>        Strike three.... You're a moron.

Ah, thank you.  Yes, strike three against you.

... Conan the Librarian - "Yo book iz ovadue!"

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Martin Goldberg
|Sub:  Holysmoke irc
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:55:08
EID:a843 203c06e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205d4
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MARTIN GOLDBERG spoke thusly to STYX ALLUM:

MG> SA> I've really enjoyed chatting online with several of you in the
MG> SA> internet relay chat forum.  I'd like to set aside a specific
MG> SA> date & time for a mega-meeting online, in which everyone can
MG> SA> coordinate their schedules to be online at the same time.
MG>
MG>I'd love to show up if you'd tell the computer moron how to.  I have
MG>internet access and use netscape.  do I need other software and how
MG>do I get to your little store there?

Well, you can just telnet to us.undernet.org, port 6667, or, if you can
use external software, grab a copy of mIRC and use it.  We'll be in
#holysmoke, and possibly #atheism.

... May the wolves run at your side and not at your heels.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Mark Hogan
|Sub:  Hs web page update
|Date: 28 Jan 96  00:56:09
EID:7a55 203c0700
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205e5
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MARK HOGAN spoke thusly to SUE ARMSTRONG:

MH>     Who honestly cares what's on the radio? I submit, tapes, vinyl,
MH>and CDs tend to wear thin upon repeated usage in a short period of
MH>time ... I submit that because it does not involve my point, which
MH>is:  Buying yet another CD/cassette/what-have-you which will, upon
MH>repeated use, become stagnant and boring, is simply fueling the
MH>cycle. Break the chain, if you wish to be free of it.

Depends on what music you listen to, I suppose.  My music doesn't get
boring.

... Die smiling, life is too important to take seriously.

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Asmodeus
|Sub:  Re: hurry! hurry!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  01:05:10
EID:6419 203c08a0
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c1205f6
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ASMODEUS  spoke thusly to J.J. HITT:

A>J>  A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A>J>  A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you
A>J>  A> would   admit your actions) I damn you.

A>J>  A> See you in Hell!

A>J>  Today is Day ELEVEN of Satanic Curse Number One.

A>J>  Nothing has happened.
A>J>
A>J>  You have only TWO DAYS to prepare Satanic Curse Number Two.
A>J>  Get your shit together!
A>J>  Hurry! Hurry!

A>And what shit might that be?

Whatever you need to do the second curse, dumbfuck.

A>What great devices would I require to
A>send an  assault on such a weakling as yourself?

In your case, nuclear weapons.  Assuming you could figure out how to use
one, of course.

One who is so
A>unsecure in his  masculinity,

How do you know JJ is male?

A>and who has such low self-esteem, that
A>he goes about attempting  to be strong, via words, in a forum where he
A>believes what he says will cause  him no harm.

In your case, assmunch, he's perfectly safe.

A>You and all the losers
A>who do this shit are such a disgrace to  the human populace,

At least we're members of it.

A>you
A>should all be taken out and put on a display, yeah,  like Spartacus
A>and his followers were.

Oh, yes, I bet you'd love that.

A>But I doubt if we have enough roads to  put
A>you all up beside them.

I certainly hope not.

A>Anyway, I have a question for you. Since I am such a nice guy, what
A>would you  like to receive? This way, when it comes your way, you will
A>say, "well, golly  gee whiz, he was tellin the truth the whole time".

VD, perhaps?  You wouldn't have to worry about faking magic, then.  You
could just rape JJ.

A>I can either phuck you up  real good, or if you make a clear apology,
A>posted to all, I will forgive you.

Sure.  Right.  Whatever.

I am not wussing-out, so to speak,
A>merely offering you a way to avoid your  imminent suffering.



I
A>seriously would dislike having to hear of your  suffering, when you
A>have not angered me in the least. Unlike the fools like  you seem to
A>be, I do not let mere words that come across my screen to offend  me,

Offended?  Try amused.

A>but i still answer back with much apparent anger, for the simple fact
I
A>do  not usually take shit idly, and words are not truly harmful, for
A>anyone who  has matured.

That would explain why you take so much offense, then.

A>So, I leave you with a decision, actually a couple. Apologize to me,
A>in a  letter to all, and also send me a message addressed to myself
A>that you did,  because I hardly have enough time to read all of the
A>messages here, in fact I  haven't read any for several days, since the
A>last time you got a response from  me.  I was suprised to see 12
A>messages to me from here when i got on the board  today, i'll probably
A>not even read them all. Anyway, do that, or tell me what  you would
A>like. I can send out a great negativity which could cause random
A>results, but I do not wish to cause you excruciating harm, merely to
sho
A>w you  what I could do, if that is what you wish. So, tell me what

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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To:   Asmodeus
|Sub:  Re: white-lighter religio
|Date: 28 Jan 96  01:14:12
EID:8f35 203c09c0
MSGID: 1:157/200 3c120618
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ASMODEUS  spoke thusly to CHRIS LEBLOND:

A>It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or
A>beneficial  results.

  and you always use it for good, right?

Coersion of a gambler who does nothing but lose
A>his ass and make his  family suffer, to cause him to refrain from his
A>habit, or getting a  down-in-the-dumps person to look at their
A>positive qualities instead of their  negative ones, or anything like
A>this will bring great results.  I rarely  attempt to manipulate others
A>negatively.

Because it won't work

A>My work is more 95% positive/5%  negative.

Your work?  ROFLMAO!

A>I maniupulate
A>those I care for much more than those I despise, for  the simple fact
A>that not many people cause me to despise them.

Translation - I'm too afraid.

A>It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser who has no
A>friends,  who goes 'round hating everyone.  This isn't so.

It is in your case.

A>I give and
A>receive far more  love than hate.

Try pity.

A>And everyone seems to like me,
A>except for the general populace  who make up these echo's
A>unfortunately.

Maybe that's because we don't pity you.

A>I believe myself to be in the minority  as far as
A>magickal practise goes.

In that you really believe all the bullshit.

A>It seems like the majority uses magick for
A>more negative means than positive, expressing great maniacal glee as
eve A>ryone  suffers around them, but I am above such childishness.

I haven't noticed.

A>To finally answer your question. Yes I believe it to be generally
A>harmful, but  from others, not from me.  I refuse to let that barrel
A>of bad apples spoil the  great bunch which can be created if one just
A>picks through it to find them.

Of course you don't.

... No one ever really knows themself. That certainly makes YOU lucky.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   John Prewett
|Sub:  Tsk...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:05:39
EID:b085 203c20a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb398
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to John Prewett <=-

JB> I know just what a bigotted, hateful asshole you are.

Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred Rice
makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of these
tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled spiritual
void that brings this sort of hypocritical judgement out of them to be
vented against God's elect.

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|From: The Facts.
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Get over it!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:08:04
EID:f5fa 203c2100
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb399
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to George Rudzinski <=-

JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
JB> for Staal. And has all along.

JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all along...

JB> Was this all there was, or was there more to the post? I'm taking it
JB> as confirmation that LSM is another of Jim's personalities.

What do you want, a signed confession? Get over it!

JB> In this case, a very despicable one in light of what was said
JB> to Shelby.

Rather than whine on about something that is in your imagination,
provide evidence for this alleged big hurt or/and _get over it_!



... grab your broom and ride, babe...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  Kathy's jive...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:10:17
EID:0541 203c2140
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TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Jm Staal <=-

KW> @MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 8b2f2457
JS> -=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Jm Staal <=-

JS> KW> Because every time you go off your meds you turn into a raving
JS> KW> asshole.

JS> Hmmm...you have any evidence to support this claim? Any at all? If so,
JS> trot it out here and we'll take a look at it.

KW> Your posts over the last few weeks.

Just as I thought...all talk, no action.

... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: The Facts.
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  Judy...Judy...Judy...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:11:34
EID:e435 203c2160
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb39b
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to David Worrell <=-

DW> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.

JB> Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.

How do you know. You have him twitted, remember? Then you'd best not
talk about him either.

... grab your broom and ride, babe...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  You watch your mouf...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:15:03
EID:e9b3 203c21e0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb39c
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Steve Quarrella <=-

JS>> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS>> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS>> time with people like that'?

SQ> Why, "to combat the evil," of course!

DW> Does Jimmy-boy imagine that we're concerned with the opinion of his
DW> alleged wife (which state is it that allows humans to marry blow-up
DW> dolls, anyway)?  If she exists, she can't be too damn bright - she
DW> married him.

Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave the
lovely Wilbur out of it.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Lump
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:17:11
EID:9a8e 203c2220
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb39d
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Lump <=-

JS> Perhaps, but it was Robert Duvall who said in the same movie, 'I love
JS> the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells...like victory'.

L> .....Yes, it was, but marty said  the above quote earlier in
L> the movie...I remember when Duvall said, when he was in his
L> cubby as Sheen was coming to kill him....

SR> HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!  Duvall in his cubby!  Yet ANOTHER stuuuupid-fundy
SR> Lumpy Staal mistake.  I think Jim is officially dis-owning him after
SR> that fuck up!!  :D

There, there, Lump...Jimmy loves you non-the-less. We'll ride this one
out...together.

... ...and yes, MISTER Lump, there _is_ a Brother Jimmy
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Lump
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:18:32
EID:049b 203c2240
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb39e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Steve Quarrella <=-

SR> Steve Quarrella wrote in a message to Steve Rose:

SQ>> Bet me on it.  If I win, you'll stop using your alias in this echo
SQ>> henceforth. If you win, I'll leave HOLYSMOKE for six months.
SR> Hooray!  The end of the Lumpster!!  May he be stupid enough to
SR> take you up on that bet.  And we know he is!  :D

SQ> I expect him to call me a "scuzball," ignore my attempts at
SQ> teaching him something, and continue to reaffirm the claim.

SR> You MUST have fallen off of your chair, too, as Lumpy sunk further
SR> into his own mental prison telling us that Duvall was being stalked
by
SR> Sheen.  HAHAHA! A clown could not make us laugh more than Lumpy Mark
SR> did with that one.  :D

Just ignore the nasty MISTER Rowze and he'll go the way of all
rudzinskis...

... ...and yes, MISTER Lump, there _is_ a Brother Jimmy
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub:  Ankerberg
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:21:08
EID:8d75 203c22a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb39f
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Katherine Wintersnight <=-

KW> There are Pagan Masons.

According to John Ankerberg, all of 'em are...



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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  HEAR HERE
|Date: 28 Jan 96  04:35:41
EID:b158 203c2460
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to AL SCHROEDER <=-


RJ> But still, I've got a goldmine of a question here.  At the
RJ> least, it'll really show you who's examining their faith, and
RJ> who's just parroting some kneejerk fundy hate-rhetoric out
RJ> their ass.

Hmmm...missed it. Could you reiterate?


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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:36:32
EID:fe83 203c8480
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a1
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Jim Staal <=-

JS>  That you would have to sacrifice Biblical principles to do so is what
JS>  would bother me, Lynda.

DW> Which Biblical principles has she sacrificed, Jim-bob?

Not that it is any of your business, but it would appear that she is a
bit unsure in regards to the immaculate conception and virgin birth of
Christ, the resurrection, certain aspects of the after life, to name a
few. You got a problem with that!?

JS>  It is not my choice. I would rather communicate in a reasonable,
JS>  respectful any day. Your 'friends' here do not allow it.

DW> Do we really have that much power over you, Jim-Bob, that we can
DW> control how you react?

You have no power at all.

DW> So much for that "big, bad, Leroy Brown" image you try so vainly
DW> to project.

I know nothing of which you speak...

DW> Do you fuck for the glory of God, Jim-Bob?  Do you take a shit for the
DW> glory of God? Goddamned moron.

You are an extremely profane man who lacks the ability to converse in a
normal, stable manner.

In answer to your question, yes. God created the body and when it is
used in the proper manner, it is done to His glory.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Shelby Sherman
|Sub:  Circular reasoning
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:40:01
EID:57f7 203c8500
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Jim Staal <=-

JS> Hmmm...I, of course, know nothing of this 'circular reasoning' you
JS> speak of,

SS> Of course you don't.  The bible is the word of god.  How do I know?
SS> BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BIBLE, THAT'S HOW!

SS> That's circular reasoning, milk-crate.

It makes perfect sense to me, Shelby. I'm sorry you cannot accept it.
You blindly accept 'facts' from a science book that tell you that 'x'
star is 'x' light years from earth, or that black holes exist, or that
man evolved from an amoeba when they are all basically 'theories' as no
one is/was actually there to witness the fact.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  Ride this!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:48:44
EID:bb0b 203c8600
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a4
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Robert Jackson <=-

RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.

DW> Go ride Staal some more :)

Ride this!


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|From: JIm Staal
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  Ha!
|Date: 28 Jan 96  16:53:37
EID:31e7 203c86a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a5
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Steve Wallis <=-

DW>> Bullshit, Stevie.  I *refuse* to go to Hell.  Does this mean that
DW>> I'm going to Heaven?  Or is God going to put me in Hell
DW>> regardless of what I want?

Yup.

DW> Answer the question, Steve: What is going to happen to me on Judgement
DW> Day when I refuse to go to Hell?  Since, if what you say is true, God
DW> "sends" no one to Hell, where will I end up?

In hell.

DW> I don't serve *any* masters, groveller.

Tell that to the first prick with a badge who stops your miserable butt
at the wheel...

DW> No one gives a shit, dumbass.

What eloquence...

SW> It's not my wish for ya to
SW> perish guy.

DW> Weren't you told about this "guy" shit when you were here last?

Hmmm...problem with that, guy?

DW> Fuck off.

Sounds like a one man job alright, oh silver tongued master of his own
loins...

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   David Worrell
|Sub:  Moral code...
|Date: 28 Jan 96  17:01:58
EID:cdfd 203c8820
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a6
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Robert Jackson <=-

DW> It just doesn't make any sense to me.  Interestingly enough, among my
DW> group of friends, the Christians participate in this kind of nonsense
DW> much more often than they atheists do.

Hmmm...any evidence to support this statement? I want to see the
official stats and the source of same.

DW> It seems that an ethical code that a person has put some thought into
DW> (dare I say, reason & empathy?) is much stronger than a moral code
DW> handed down from on high.

Please state your well thought out, reasoned and empathized moral code
please so we may hold you to account for it.

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  SATANIST
|Date: 28 Jan 96  17:23:23
EID:6ab8 203c8ae0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a7
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Robert Jackson <=-

DW> @MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3108447d
DW> 24 Jan 96 14:35, Robert Jackson wrote to J.J. Hitt:

RJ>	 I'd have to say that Satanists actually get a harder rap
RJ>	 on this echo than any other religion.  Based on a sample
RJ>	 of four.  And as you know--which "camp" lowers the Million-
RJ>	 Pound Shithammer on these punks?  Notice you don't see much
RJ>	 dialogue between Satanists and fundies?  Could it be that
RJ>	 fundies are afraid  that a Satanist will 
RJ>	 put a curse on them? 


Haven't had opportunity to. I have replied to this Asmodeus dude, but he
doesn't repond. It would appear that the shoe is on the other foot. I
also continue to have productive convos with Luke Clark. I believe he
has Satanist leanings... ? I wouldlike to hear that. You gotta
.wav file on that? :) Also appreciated the 'something in the wind afoul'
verse to some one a while back. Are you a lyricist?

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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Steve Quarrella
|Sub:  Staal shows his colon
|Date: 28 Jan 96  17:06:41
EID:520b 203c88c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a8
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Steve Rose <=-

SQ> @MSGID: 1:124/9005 310a1425
SQ> Salue, Steve!

SQ> Saturni dies January 27 1996, Dixit Steve Rose ad Steve Quarrella:

SR> You MUST have fallen off of your chair, too, as Lumpy sunk further into
SR> his own mental prison telling us that Duvall was being stalked by
SR> Sheen.

SQ> "The horror...the horror..."  It only took how many of us to tell him
SQ> he was wrong to finally get it into his head?

Nah...he just needed to have older, wiser bro gently take him aside and
instruct him in the truth...you catch more flies with honey than with
vinegar and you get more out of Lump when you pull his finger than when
you treat him in a rude, cutting manner.

... Ginger or Mary Ann -- Which for you?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Zyad Allebban
|Sub:  The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1: DW
|Date: 28 Jan 96  17:10:15
EID:1223 203c8940
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a9
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Zyad Allebban <=-

->>> I finally get a fundy in my net, and wouldn't you know it
->>> turns out to be a Muslim.

ZA>> David, what is this supposed to mean?  I don't know what a
ZA>> "fundy" is, but I hope it's nothing bad.

DW> Unfortunately, I had a stricter definition in mind.  I was calling you
DW> a shithead.

Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet. Some day
when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along side the head
with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.) he may
learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he wallows in
the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.

... God bless you...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To:   Zayd Allebban
|Sub:  The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1:DW
|Date: 28 Jan 96  17:14:37
EID:6398 203c89c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 310bb3aa
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Zayd Allebban <=-

ZA>>   I haven't mocked your beliefs, so you
ZA>> better not mock mine.

DW> I'd "better not" mock your beliefs?  What are you gonna do if I
DW> continue? Blow up my house, maybe?

Jihaad, perhaps...

ZA>>   I won't stand for this blasphemy

David knows nothing else...raised by wolves and rudzinskis...with Eric
and Lyle.

DW> ROFL!  I don't give a shit what you will or will not stand for, Zyad.

DW> You wanna know something, Zyad?  There's not a damn thing you can do
DW> to stop my "blasphemy".  Not a damn thing.

In all seriousness, pray, Zyad. This man was written about in the
Christian Bible: (2 Tim 3:1 NIV)  But mark this: There will be terrible
times in the last days.

(2 Tim 3:2 NIV)  People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money,
boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful,
unholy,

(2 Tim 3:3 NIV)  without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without
self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,

(2 Tim 3:4 NIV)  treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure
rather than lovers of God--

(2 Tim 3:6 NIV)  They are the kind who worm their way into homes and
gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and
are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,

(2 Tim 3:7 NIV)  always learning but never able to acknowledge the
truth.

DW> BTW, you never answered my questions:

DW> Does Allah ever have to take a shit?
DW> Does he have to piss?

This is the depths of the man's mentality.

DW> I agree with JJ.  I for one know very little of your faith and would
DW> like to learn more, if just out of curiousity rather than a desire to
DW> convert.

I agree with this man here. I know some of your faith, but would be
interested in knowing more for the sake of expanding my horizons a
little, as your religion exerts considerable influence in the world
today and I believe it is important for Christians and Moslems to be
able to coexist.


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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To:   Styx Allum
|Sub:  HI
|Date: 28 Jan 96  22:05:58
EID:92a5 203cb0a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 310bf372
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0d153394
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Styx!

Veneris dies January 26 1996, Dixit Styx Allum ad AL SCHROEDER:

SA> The reverse is also true.  [ref: SA] ;-)
SA> Whenever Sue Armstrong gets quoted, I instinctively go "WHAT?!
SA> I never said THAT!"  :-D

Wait till you have a wife who shares your initials, and you're having an
e-mail conversation, trying to figure out who said what. :)

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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To:   Judith Bandsma
|Sub:  WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:31:24
EID:f617 203cabe0
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
25 Jan 96, dixit Judith Bandsma ad Steve Quarrella:

JB> Well, Leo still tries to get me to try the smoked eel when 
JB> we're in Holland. I gag just looking at it. 

I get a gag reflex just thinking about eating tuna fish out of a can.

JB>  AND...he likes OKRA.  

Bleah and double bleah!  If the stars are right, I enjoy a good cup of
gumbo, but I have to be certain to NOT look at the okra when I eat it.

JB> ... Not now . . . I have to go mow the laundry.

ROFL!


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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Potables, potent and potential.
|Date: 28 Jan 96  21:37:56
EID:855f 203caca0
PID: SX 4.3P DOPEFISH
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
26 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Marty Leipzig:

RJ>         I missed Burns' B-day today (well, yesterday, since it's

Ever notice that Bobbie and George Burns share the same birthday (And 1/20
was the day my BBS began life back in '92)?  Shoot, it's been about four
years since I last went out on 1/20 in my kilt to have a shot of Drambuie.
I suspect that if I did this in Texas, the shot would be from a rifle held
by
some redneck who expected he was shooting at a "long-haired, dress-wearing
-faggot.-" :-/

RJ>         now tomorrow).  Someday I'll get my chance to satisfy my
RJ>         curiosity about haggis.  I've eaten raw sea urchin, so I

I've had haggis...like most food from the UK, it's pretty bland.  The thought
of what you're eating is more revolting than the food itself, FWIW.  I much
prefer the Sicilian side of my heritage when it comes to cuisine. :)

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