God Damned Fundies!
|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:37:48
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Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Katherine say to Gwenny:
GTP>RS>>> I justed added a new echo to my collection: MORMON. :)
GTP>> Have fun. I quit carrying it. They kept insisting I was
a
GTP>> liar because "good Mormon men" don't behave like I said they do.
KW> I get that from a very old friend who's gone Mormon. When I asked her
KW> about -Secret Ceremonies- she flatly denied that any such thing could
KW> have happened, tried to lay a line of bullshit on me about the men into
KW> gods crap, and then told me I would make a *good* Mormon. We still
get
KW> along mostly because we came to an understanding that if she EVER gave
KW> my name to their missionaries again, I would put her name on every New
KW> Age, Pagan, and 7th Day Adventist mailing list I could find.
I should have realized that I wasn't REALLY cut out to be a Moron when I
would never give the missionaries the names of my REAL friends.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Politically incorrect and proud of it.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Why
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:38:45
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Gwenny:
GtP>> Paganism does not consider itself a "lay" (realizing that
GtP>> I'm leaving that wide open) religion, but a religion of
GtP>> clergy. Once you are pagan, you are expected to study and
GtP>> learn and grow and take on the role of hps or hp yourself.
JJH> Huh?
JJH> Doesn't sound like an accurate description of Hinduism (a pagan
JJH> religion), Shinto (a pagan religion), Jainism (a pagan religion),
JJH> Santeria (a pagan religion)...
Ooops, busted.
JJH> Shall I continue?
By all means....my mother-in-law used to say if a person was bothering me,
they were leaving someone else alone.
JJH> Your belief system may be a subset of the set pagan, but that
JJH> doesn't entitle you to claim the name for your private use.
PLBHHHHH!
JJH> Remember, the Hairy Krishnas are pagans too.
I didn't even know they were humans....just kidding.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I'm not late; I'm temporally challenged.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Judgement
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:40:27
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Heilsa, Kenneth!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Kenneth say to Gwenny:
KM>>>>> Keep on, there's a being named Lucifer that might be interested
KM>>>>> in what you saying. But he too one day will bow his knees before
KM>>>>> God and declare that Christ is LORD.
AH>>>> Sorry, your Jesus has to wait in a long line behind Zeus, Apollo,
AH>>>> and loads of other Supreme Beings that were invented before your
AH>>>> Jesus was.
KM>>> Sorry Alan, but Jesus was the one that created everything.
GtP>> And your evidence for this is.....
KM> The Bible.
The babble doesn't count as evidence anymore than the works of Shakespeare
counts as history. Back on the twit list for you.
KM> -+- FMail 0.96т
KM> + Origin: Maximum Overdrive Hampton, Va 804-838-6092 (1:271/460)
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... (A)bort (R)etry (P)retend this never happened?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:41:19
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Gwenny:
PS>>> And here I was thinking that Noah was commanded to fit two of every
PS>>> creature into the ark. Guess that the Bible's lying about that too.
CM>> You really are sad. You take the obvious, and twist it to make the
CM>> Bible "lie". Get a life.
GTP>> Gen 6:18-22 "But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will
GTP>> enter the ark--you and your sons and your wife and your sons wives
GTP>> with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures,
GTP>> male
GTP>> Now, HOW did he twist it to make the Bible lie??
DC> Because it doesn't agree with what Xian Miller's handlers taught
DC> him, which really isn't much when you come down to it...
Ahhhh, and he's never responded to my questions about the ark. I wonder
why?
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... URA Redneck if you're holding a beer in your wedding picture.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: 19th Cent Holysmoke?! 1-7
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:42:01
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Heilsa, Lynda!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Lynda say to Gwenny:
LB>> I came across a document on the Freethought Web which contains a long
LB>> series of lectures by Helen H. Gardner, with an introduction by Robert
LB>> Ingersoll. Her wit and many of her points reminded me so much of our
LB>> own little echo, that I decided to share some snippets with you all.
LB>> In spite of the length of this "Reader's Digest condensed version",
LB>> this only represents about 20% of the whole piece. If there is
LB>> interest, and with Styx' permission, I will post the thing in its
LB>> entirety, but meanwhile enjoy. :)
GtP>> I'm interested. Got it in file form??
LB> Yup -- I have it as a text file. (stripped of html because I'm a really
LB> nice person) Now, what should I do with it?
Ummmm, can you netmail it as a file attach or tell me where to call and
get it??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... What kind of world is it where the reality is weirder then the satire?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Fundamentalist Are Insane 4/
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:42:39
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Heilsa, Christian!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Christian say to Gwenny:
Gt>> BUT, had she kept her mouth shut, she would have continued to get
Gt>> money from me, because I feel sorry for her. In fact, since that was
CM> He'll still provide for her whether it's via you, or another person.
And your evidence for this is??? Back when I was counting on him for my
life and health and prosperity I was miserable, sick, and poor. I gave
up. Now, while I wouldn't call us rich, we have a nice home, I have a good
job with promotion potential, I am healthier than I've been since childhood,
and I have a loving husband instead of a man who beats me because it's okay
with god. Maybe it's the other way around, Mom takes care of you even when
you're too stupid to know it's Her.
Gt>> BTW, Mom called (the earthly one) the other day and said she's
Gt>> mellowing out. Even drug-abusing biker bitches like my sis used to
be
Gt>> should only have to repent for so long.
CM> "Mellowing out", eh? When one first gets saved they seem to be
CM> one of the "holy rollers". :) The "mellowing out" is simply comes with
CM> time.
Care to make any wagers??? I used to live where my sis does now. I know
the congregation she attends. I give her another year at most. I
remember when the minister of that church forced a girl to go back to her
husband (even though her mother and I were waiting to take her out of state),
and he beat her that very night....so hard she lost her baby. The real
killer was that she had just finished burying her one-year-old. Good came
of it though. She left the church and her asshole husband got hit by a
semi while walking home drunk one night. Gee, maybe there is a deity.
CM> Christian
Goddess.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... REAL multitasking - 3 computers and a chair with wheels!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:48:39
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Heilsa, Christian!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Christian say to Gwenny:
Gt>> Been there, done that. The Christian counselor charge $25 more per
Gt>> hour than the "regular" ones....and his advice what that I needed
CM> Well a TRUE CHRISTIAN [tm] does not charge. Maybe you should've looked
CM> a little harder.
Every xtian I've ever seen does all they can to make a buck off of you.
Gt>> more faith, not Lithium and that I needed to hit my kids. Of
CM> On their butt.
NO, fool. I am talking especially about my eldest, who has a chemical imbalance
that causes him to have difficulty dealing with ANY emotion. Had I hit
him, betrayed him, he would now be permanently committed in the mental hospital.
Violence, of ANY kind, is seldom the answer. If you can't control 'em by
three, chances are you never will. I WILL NOT HIT MY KIDS....perverts.
Gt>> course, he also developed a mysterious back problem when Desert Storm
Gt>> started....he was an Air Force chaplain in addition to his psychology
Gt>> practice.
CM> Don't see what that has to do with Christianity.
He was a Christian. He was a coward. He was a therapist. He couldn't
deal with his own fear. He was a Christian. Seems to go together for me.
CM> Christian
Goddess
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... White Light is NO substitute for a shower!!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:51:58
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Heilsa, Christian!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Christian say to Gwenny:
Gt>> And your reproducible evidence that your mythgawd created this "rock"
Gt>> we call a world IS......
CM> I believe in what is written in Genesis.
I believe what was written in Song of Songs. Now, how about some evidence
instead of poetry.
CM> Christian
Goddess
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Creationists: Transitional forms between idiots and morons.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:52:45
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Heilsa, Judith!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Judith say to Gwenny:
GTP>> I can do it in less than 30 minutes....I used to sell three times
a
GTP>> week. It put food on the table. But the scars it leaves. Yech!
JB> I know what you mean. I have to carry my donor card at all times...so
I
JB> don't get busted for being a junkie.
Mine aren't quite that bad. And Hunter doesn't want me donate
anymore.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Friends don't let friends do 2400 Baud...
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:54:23
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
RJ>> The Chinese used rockets to scare the hell out of their
RJ>> enemies in battle. They flipped a coin with the Scottish, who
RJ>> lost on the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.
GtP>> The Scots won.
RJ> Of course, painting yourself blue and running stark naked
RJ> at your enemy helps. Imagine what would've happened
RJ> if bagpipes could fire rockets as well!
Oh, there quite scary enough in the wrong hands. Hmmm, how about painting
yourself blue and running stark naked at your friends?
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... URA Redneck if your wife's job requires her to wear an orange vest.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: WHAT??
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:55:32
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
JB>> Just want to reassure you that you aren't going crazy or in the first
JB>> stages of Alzheimers.
GtP>> I can't remember my first period...something every woman remembers.
GtP>> Sometimes I just sit and try to think of it and it's just not there.
GtP>> Sigh.
RJ> My ex-gf remembers hers. She's the one I mentioned is what
RJ> happens when someone like Maria raises children. Her mother
RJ> called her a tramp, because she figured any girl who had a
RJ> period was probably having sex.
The ignorance of some people. Sigh.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Hockey players love a good puck.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:55:57
EID:f8ec 20379ee0
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
GtP>> ... Never take a beer to a job interview ... unless you're a
GtP>> braumeister. -!-
RJ> There's a microbrewery a mile from my home--I've toured the
RJ> place and staggered home giggling for free. But one thing
RJ> that impressed me was the job descrip of the brew staff.
Oooh, sounds like something Wild would like.
RJ> Imagine...getting fired for not drinking on the job.
I'd get fired....I hardly drink at all except at Dfest.
RJ> ... "Bother", said Pooh, as his mead wort boiled over.
Yep, cuz she knew who'd have to clean up the mess.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Barium: What you do with dead chemists.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: RONALD VASS
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:57:37
EID:03af 20379f20
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 31053e9a
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, RONALD!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
RONALD say to GWENNY:
RV> I think this is the part ,you are talking about.
RV> -*-
RV> COMMENT:
RV> Judges 19 describe a father who offers his virgin daughter to a drunken
RV> mob. When the father says "unto this man do not so vile a thing," he
makes
RV> clear that sexual abuse should never befall a man (meaning him), yet
a
RV> woman, even his own flesh and blood, or a concubine belonging to a perfect
RV> stranger, can receive punishment from men to do what they wish. This
RV> attitude against women still persists to this day and we have the Bible,
in
RV> large part, to thank for this attitude against women.
Agreed. It is my feeling that the early bible writers were trying to suppress
what was left of a earlier matriarchal system, and there were no holds bared.
RV> Verse 25 describes the hours long gang rape of the poor concubine. The
RV> Bible gives not one hint of passion or concern for the raped girl.
RV> Considering that many people believe that every word in the Bible
comes
RV> from God, it should not surprise anyone why people still use these verses
RV> to justify such atrocities.
I love his responce. After he kicks her and she doesn't move, he cuts her
up and sends her parts to all the tribes of Israel. They decide to destroy
the Benjamites, but end up just killing all the kids and women. So then
they repent, and have to find wives for the Benjamites. This they do by
destroying the one town that didn't take part in the massacre and stealing
their virgin baby girls. Gotta love it.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Error loading GOD.SYS (A)bort or (U)nzip BIGBANG.ZIP.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:01:23
EID:ec26 2037a020
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Gwenny:
GtP>> You need to research more.
JJH> Uh huh...
GtP>> In our community we have a pretty good population of
GtP>> "elders"....ie, retired folks who have been practicing
GtP>> witchcraft for several generations.
JJH> And you have demographic evidence to support this claim?
JJH> I need it for my "research".
What do you need. Would you settle for a list of the folks I know, names
changed, and their ages??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I not dyslexic am. Confused just.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:02:38
EID:d51f 2037a040
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Heilsa, Sean!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Sean say to Gwenny:
>> With goats....
>> Saw a cute tagline the other day....
>> ... Why did god make men? Cuz cucumbers can't lift boxes.
<>
SM> 'A good Goat will do that!!'"
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Life after death? Is that like terminate and stay resident?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: ARK nut
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:05:03
EID:1ddc 2037a0a0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3105406a
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
GtP>> Oh, I thought Jesus wanted to be in everyone.
CR>> ... A fool's mouth is his destruction. Proverbs 18:7
GtP>> Like a lame man's legs that hang limp is a proverb in the mouth of
a
GtP>> fool. Proverbs 26:7
SW> "Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he
will
SW> love you. Instruct a wise man and he will be still; teach a righteous
man
SW> and he will add to his learning." -Proverbs 9:8,9
SW> "Who is wise? He will realize these things. Who is discerning? He will
SW> understand them...The ways of the Lord are right; the righteous walk
in
SW> them, but the rebellious stumble in them." -Hosea 14:9
Like I said, like a lame man's legs....
SW> "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and
SW> there is no other." -Isaiah 45:22
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god and we will walk
after the name of the LORD our God forever and ever. Micah 4:5
SW> May the blinfolds be lifted from your eyes...
No blindfolds since I stopped being blinded by Christianity.
SW> Take care and Godbless!
And the Goddess, in Her Manifold Forms, bless you.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... `Who's an omen? Aaaaaaark.' - the four budgies of the apocalypse
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Why
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:09:09
EID:4c06 2037a120
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 31054194
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
SW> You cant blame God for the actions of some bozo who claimed to be a
SW> Christian. What happened to you was unfortunate but it wasnt God's fualt
SW> for it. While we are in this world, evil is all around. Evil is bound
to
SW> happen, but woe unto the man who causes the offence.
Sure I can. I can do anything I like. His people promised me that he would
protect and guard me. He didn't. He lied. Well, his "voices" lied. He
doesn't exist.
SW> Its unfair if you judge the crop by one bad apple. Even you
SW> must realize this. We all make mistakes in life and sometimes we have
SW> to pay the price for our actions.
They are almost all bad apples. They willfully hurt people in the name
of their god.
GtP>> What happens is, a person who has never been able to really take
GtP>> care of him/herself reaches a point where all the people around
GtP>> him/her gives up. So they have to create a superfriend to take the
GtP>> place of all the people who used to take care of him/her
SW> Sound to me like youve never really had a Christian family of believer's
SW> who were there for you.
My family went to church every Sunday when I was small. Didn't keep the
stepfather from raping me or the minister from calling me a liar when I
tried to get help.
SW> If you would, Id ask that you find yourself a cool
SW> Christian Church with a dynamite group of believers and whatch the
SW> way you would be acepted and befriended. It would amaze you.
Been there. Done that. They will only accept you as long as you change
to suit them. They will NOT, I quarantee you, accept me JUST as I am.
SW> I'll pray for ya Gewnee. Hope things get better for ya. Take care and
SW> Godbless!
Ahhh, yes, another jerk who subtly demeans me by mispelling my name. It's
right in the header...get it right, or don't bother.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Magic is but true love of life and spirit... Magick Happens!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Baking bread
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:14:00
EID:e5a9 2037a1c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310541b9
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Gwenny:
DC>>>> Did you ever get the info on high altitude baking [..]
DC>> any additional information.
GTP>> Sure will. Today is shopping, I may try one out tonight.
DC> Well, did you get the chance? If so, how did it work out?
No, Wild went shopping with me and I forgot half the stuff I went for....I
don't know why that happens.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Orange Juice! The Life's Blood of Florida!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:14:49
EID:5dac 2037a1c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310544e0
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
GtP>> Sugar, the ark wasn't large enough to hold all the different species
GtP>> of bovine, let alone elephants (there were three or four species
GtP>> then, including mammoths), giraffes, bears, all the big cats, whales
GtP>> (is says everything that had breathe in it's nostrils), walruses,
all
GtP>> the types of deer and antelope, and the rest of the critters. Not
GtP>> only
SW> Well, one would speculate the calculations of the ark to be about 3
SW> football fields long and 3 levels high.
That MIGHT hold the food animals.
SW> However it also assumed by most that most fo the various species of
SW> animals that are around topday, derived from a single species. (Check
SW> your local library for info).
Not in three or four thousand years they didn't. Besides, it says that
all creatures and plants reproduce "according to their various kinds."
How could they have changed? Also, HOW did the kangaroos get back to Australia
and why didn't some of them stick around in the Middle East?
SW> As for whales, what good would an ark be for them? Are they not sea
SW> creatures?
They have breath in their nostrils...that's what god specified. But, since
YOU brought up sea creatures, how did all the fish live?? The influx of
that much water would have caused fresh and salt water to mingle and would
have diluted the salt to levels toxic to sea dwelling creatures. How did
the fish survive. (If you have any doubts, try starting a salt water aquarium.)
GtP>> that, but HOW did the kangaroo travel all the way from Australia and
GtP>> why didn't some of them stick around the ark afterwards.
SW> How did the natives get there? They must have built a boat an sailed
there
SW> along with some animals. Why australia only has kangaroo's, I cannot
say.
But the natives were in Australia BEFORE the flood and have never left.
GtP>> that Noah would have had to lay in another herd beast per week per
GtP>> pair of predator.....let's see, say there were twelve different kinds
GtP>> of big cats, eight different kinds of wolves, and two bears....that's
GtP>> twenty-two deer a week. A VERY cursory glance at Genesis puts the
GtP>> time in the ark at around 387 days...about 55 weeks...times 22
GtP>> animals.... around 1,210 animals needed to be kept to keep the
GtP>> predators from chowing down on the animals Noah wanted to save to
GtP>> repopulate the earth.
SW> Under the conditions stated in the Bible it obviously would have been
SW> a very dense and dark place and is speculated that most of the animals
SW> would have hibernated during most of this period hence reducing the
strain
SW> on Noah and family to care for them all.
Most predators do not hibernate. It would have taken a total change in
their physiology to have allowed them to do so, since hibernation is caused
by a change in the blood chemistry. Those that do hibernate do so because
of cold or because of drought...neither of which condition existed. Herd
beasts, also, do not hibernate. Small creatures like voles, shrews, and
hummingbirds MUST, repeat MUST eat at least their weight in food EVERY DAY.
To go for even a day or two dooms them. And speaking of hummingbirds, where
did he get fresh flowers for them??
SW> Then there's the grain and hay for the grazers
GtP>> (do you have ANY idea how much ONE elephant eats in a day?)....and
GtP>> how about FRESH bamboo for the pandas and FRESH eucalyptus for the
GtP>> koalas (some will die rather than eat anything not fresh)....then
we
GtP>> have the problem of some of the large predatory birds that won't eat
GtP>> anything they haven't killed themselves. And how did he get JUST
two
GtP>> cockroaches. Oh, and speaking of insects, how did he keep the
GtP>> termites from snacking on the ark? What did he feed the
GtP>> mosquitoes....and how did he manage to keep from getting malaria,
GtP>> since it would have had to survive the flood in the gut of a
GtP>> mosquito. An item by item answer would be appreciated. And when
GtP>> you're done, I have more questions.
SW> I dont have all the answers Gwinny, but God does. We can take God at
His
SW> word or we can ignore whats written. The choice is ours. May God bless
you
SW> as you ponder the scriptures.
Last chance. Gwenny. Get it right or get twitted. I've made the choice.
The scriptures are myth like all myth...stories made up by technologically
backward people to explain phenomenon beyond their understanding.
BTW, IF god exists and he EVEN THINKS about blessing me, I'm gonna tell
Mom. It's about time he got put in the corner anyway.
SW> Godbless
Goddess bless.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Power is an illusion; only stupidity is real.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: On the fifth day of Satan
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:30:44
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Asmodeus:
A>> See you in Hell!
JJH> Today is Day FIVE of my Satanic Curse.
JJH> Nothing has happened.
JJH> On the Fifth Day of Satan, Asmodeus sent to me...
JJH> FIVE nothings..
JJH> FOUR nothings..
JJH> THREE nothings..
JJH> TWO nothings..
JJH> And a nothing in a nothing tree... la la la
Okay, you deserve this
In the house on the hill where the gremlins like to play are
Five fuzzy cats,
Four noisy kids,
Three silly dogs,
Two grouchy parents,
And a box full of socks that don't match.
(compliments of my daughter, Starfire)
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... \The worst thing about censorship is лллллллллл and it лллллллллллллл!!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Pt 1/4: Interesting discourse
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:35:09
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Heilsa, J.J.!
JJH> over the internet on America Online called R.I.S.K.E.R.S. They
Hey, how about we start a group called W.H.I.S.K.E.R.S...We Hate Insolent
Selfish Kooky Evangelical Religious Scum.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... A room without books is like a body without a soul.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: SATANIST
|Date: 23 Jan 96 19:11:00
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On (23 Jan 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to AL SCHROEDER...
JH> As>> I practise the sins in ways that harm no one who does not
JH> As>> deserve it. So if someone has won my anger, and I rip him
JH> As>> off, this is a good thing, for I get some cool shit and
JH> As>> because of his/her loss s/he become hurt just a little.
AS> Congratulations. You have even sunk LOWER in my estimation.
AS> Hard to do.
JH> And that without anyone even accusing him. He just comes out
JH> of the complete blue and brags about being a thief in an
JH> international echo.
JH> That puts him even lower than Don Ward.
JH> VERY VERY HARD to do.
JH> But, on the bright side of all this: as long as Asomdeus sticks
JH> around no one can accuse me of only harassing Christians.
I figure Staal et al invited him in here so that on the days
when he was feeling most rotten about himself, he'd have somebody
to look at that was even rottener than he is.
... If the theists all shut up, the gods would be speechless.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:40:00
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-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Michael Hardy <=-
RS> Today I took `Layla', my feline friend in to get her womanhood taken
RS> out and discarded. At first I decided not to have her spayed, but the
RS> first heat cycle had me convinced otherwise.
RS> The vet informed me of various things as she was injecting drugs to
RS> prep the cat. One thing she stated was that sometimes they get
RS> pregnant cats in to be spayed and sometimes they have to take the cat
RS> fetii out and discard them.
RS> I know you are of the opinion that life starts at conception, we've
RS> covered this in the past.
RS> In your opinion is it immoral to discard the cat fetii such as this?
I have also made it clear that only *human* life is sacred, in my
opinion. While we should treat animals humanely, we do not consider
them different kinds of human. Hence, I wouldn't use a cow as an
archery target, but I eat steak and wear leather.
Is this the best you can do?
... VD: Never practice license without a medicine.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: census
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:14:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> In fact, the Romans *did* require people to travel to their
MH> birthplace in order to register for a census. A census edict from
MH> Egypt, from 104 a.d., shows that they did just that. It begins: "Gaius
MH> Vibius Maximus, prefect of Egypt, says: The house-to-house census
MH> having started, it is essential that all persons who for any reason
MH> whatsoever are absent from their homes be summoned to return to their
MH> own hearths, in order that they perform the customary business of
MH> registration." ("A History of Rome Through the Fifth Century, ed.
MH> A.H.M. Jones, c. 1970, Harper and Row.)
LB> That doesn't sound like anything other than "Don't hang out in the
LB> market today, we don't want to knock on your door and have you not be
LB> there" It doesn't indicate anything about travelling away from your
LB> current residence.
It wasn't like a TV announcement, you know. By sayng "The census having
started," and knowing that the census would take some time -- weeks or
months -- to complete, it obviously means something more long-term than
"be at your house this afternoon."
And you didn't address what may be the more important point -- if the
story of Joseph and Mary having to travel to Bethlehem is so
farfetched, then how did the gospel story get taken seriously among
people who would have known that?
... Pull the other one.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:16:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Michael Hardy <=-
DH> Illogical argument. Perfection does NOT demand absolute ability. YOU
DH> have chosen to include that concept in your definition of perfection,
DH> that's all. A God who chooses to create natural laws, and then
DH> chooses to follow his own laws, has got to be considered perfect. A
DH> god who would set aside his own laws at a whim, would have to be
DH> considered IMPERFECT, since then his creatures could not trust any of
DH> those laws. This leads to the conclusion that there are no miracles,
DH> since miracles by definition suggest that natural law has been
DH> suspended. That which we consider miracles must therefore somehow
DH> abide within the realm of natural law, and we should also be able,
DH> eventually, to discover what natural law they follow. It is my belief
DH> that such is, in fact, the case.
LB> I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again -- I LIKE what you
LB> say! After being told for months that I'm the only one in the "room"
LB> who thinks this way, it's really great to see that I'm not alone about
LB> this.
MH> A God who cannot work outside of the physical laws He created is not
MH> much of a God, IMO.
LB> I just carefully re-read Dick's post and I don't see "cannot" in there
LB> anywhere. Do you?
Then what do you suppose he means by:
DH> This leads to the conclusion that there are no miracles,
DH> since miracles by definition suggest that natural law has been
DH> suspended. That which we consider miracles must therefore somehow
DH> abide within the realm of natural law, and we should also be able,
DH> eventually, to discover what natural law they follow. It is my belief
DH> that such is, in fact, the case.
It seems to me he is saying God cannot violate natural laws, and any
case where it seems God has done so is merely a matter of God working
within a natural law we haven't yet discovered. That's my understanding
of what he wrote; if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to stand corrected.
LB> As I parent, I've instituted certain laws -- you take it out, you put
LB> it away.
LB> Don't use words like "hate" when you're angry. Don't hit. Now, would
LB> you say
LB> I wasn't much of a parent if I didn't ignore those "laws" myself?
Moral laws are a different thing than physical laws. You also tell your
small children not to drive your car, but you drive it.
MH> I agree that a God who violated the laws of nature "on a whim" would
MH> not be a trustworthy God. But I reject the notion that God is
MH> constrained by those laws. If God chooses to suspend them for some
MH> specific purpose, he certainly can do so.
LB> Agreed, he can. But do you think he DID, in all the myriad examples
LB> we have in the Bible, for all they myriad reasons offered (some
LB> trivial, others which seem to be no more than the "God is on my side"
LB> thinking popular today with football teams). Do you think all there
LB> miracles surrounding Jesus birth -- and there are MANY -- are without
LB> mythological root?
Perhaps, perhaps not. I have no firm opinion on the stories surrounding
Jesus's birth. I do believe that God could quite easily have caused a
virgin to conceive and give birth. That is the central point of the
story, and it is less important whether Magi came from the east or not.
MH> Things such as the Resurrection of Christ do not "abide within the
MH> realm of natural law."
LB> On that I will agree -- something definitely happened there that
LB> defies the "natural" order of things...and by our theology, that too
LB> was planned from the beginning. Spiritually, Jesus came to RESTORE
us
LB> to our natural relationship with God, and by breaking those spiritual
LB> barriers, he probably did break a few physical ones. But if miracles
LB> are so common -- either in Hebrew history, OR in the early life of
LB> Jesus, what makes THIS one so special?
All miracles in Judeo-Christian tradition are demonstrations of God's
power. And they really aren't all that common. Most of them center
around Moses and Jesus, and to a lesser extent, Elijah and Elisha.
There are centuries of Israel's history recorded where miraculous
events seem pretty rare.
LB> And even in this case, precisely what DID happen had to be conveyed
LB> through the imperfect media of human speech and human perception --
the
LB> description we have of that event shouldn't be placed on a pedestal
so
LB> that we start blasting one another for a different understanding of
it.
LB> I think we are ALL one day going to be equally awestruck to learn what
LB> the full detail of that action was, and what all it accomplished.
I'm sure you're right about that!
... On Dr. McCoy's tombstone: "I'm dead, Jim."
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: true christians
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:55:00
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-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> True Christians are those who can show how their beliefs and
MH> actions are consistent with the teachings of Jesus, without
SQ>
SQ> OK, that's fine. I'll buy that.
MH> having to resort to a lot of mental gymnastics to do so. They
MH> may genuinely try to abide by those teachings, yet succumb to
MH> temptation. If they do, they admit they have failed and accept
MH> forgiveness.
SQ> My question would be "So when you admit you've failed and accept
SQ> forgiveness, how do you know I've offered it to you?" You get
SQ> forgiveness from the guy up in the clouds, but when you've
SQ> metaphorically pissed on my leg for Jesus, what say do _I_ have in
SQ> this? Isn't this along the lines of shirking responsibility for your
SQ> own actions? If someone shoots my father in the back after he's heard
SQ> God in his head commanding him to do so, Jesus may forgive him, but
_I_
SQ> sure don't. Why should I?
Whether you forgive him or not is your decision. God's forgiveness is
not tied to yours, thankfully. In the gospels, Jesus proounces the sins
of several people forgiven, without consulting the various people they
had wronged. HAVING SAID THAT, let me hasten to add that anyone who
really repents of their wrongs will at least try to gain forgiveness
from the people they've hurt as well as God. There's a story from the
Gospel of Luke which illustrates that:
"But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, 'Look, Lord! Here and
now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated
anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.'
Jesus said to him, 'Today salvation has come to this house.'" (Luke
19:8-9)
MH> False Christian scum are those who either latch on to a
MH> handful of teachings, take them out of context and ignore
MH> everything else in an effort to justify their behavior, or
MH> else never took it seriously in the first place, but use it to
MH> manipulate others or falsely elevate themselves in the
MH> community.
SQ> So, where do the following sit in all of this?
SQ> Michael Griffin
SQ> Paul Hill
SQ> Maria Russell
SQ> Jesse Jones
SQ> Jim Staal
SQ> Mark Staal aka "Lump"
SQ> Lon S. Mabon (who is most likely Jim Staal anyways)
SQ> Careful: If you dodge the question, then I am left to make the call
SQ> myself, and at some point I'm going to once again ask how I distinguish
SQ> between the True Christians and the False Christian scum.
I don't presume to question the salvation of anyone -- that is God's
judgment, not mine. I have given you a definition, which is what you
asked for. YOU apply it as you see fit.
... Accordions don't play "Lady of Spain." People do.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: trinity
|Date: 22 Jan 96 22:03:00
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-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Michael Hardy <=-
JH> It's a logical inference? The why all the gobbledygook about
JH> it being a "mystery"?
JH> Can you explain the logic that results in the conclusion that
JH> three is one?
How many dimensions will you give me? What doesn't make sense in three
may well make sense in ten.
Frankly, I find the whole issue boring and irrelevant. My understanding
of the Trinity is simply that one God expresses himself in three ways
which are distinct enough to be considered "persons."
... Don't be so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:04:00
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-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> Note carefully what I said ... "through their own poor choices." I
MH> don't know exactly how God will deal with those who never heard the
MH> gospel, but I do believe God is fair. He will not condemn someone for
MH> not believing who never had a chance to make the decision. However,
I
RJ> Still, where do they go when they die? No wait, you don't
RJ> believe in...LIMBO, do you???
No, I think they go to either heaven or hell. And I think God's
judgment is fair in either case. But I wouldn't deign to say more than
that.
MH> don't think ignorance equals a free ride, either. Probably God will
MH> judge those who didn't know about Jesus based on whatever they did
MH> know.
RJ> But if he's the One True God , why would he create people
RJ> who live all their lives in perfect ignorance of him?
I don't think he does "create" people. He gave us reproductive systems
for that.
RJ> wouldn't you suppose that the reason deism and atheism became
RJ> viable alternatives to Judeo-Christian monotheism had a good
RJ> bit to do with the intellectuals of the 18th century affording
RJ> the technology and financial freedom to travel to far-flung
RJ> lands where the Hebraic god never set foot? To me, that this
RJ> tribal god hadn't made his unifying message explicit in every
RJ> culture on Earth, he was just asking for people to lose
RJ> belief.
I think that humanity in the beginning had a knowledge of God. As they
spread around the globe, some retained it and some lost it. But I don't
have an easy answer for this problem.
RJ> It ranks up there with listening to the apologists who
RJ> say God put fossils in the ground to test people's faith. What
RJ> sort of god COMMANDS total subjection and fear, yet
RJ> simultaneously sows so many seeds of doubt? That to me sounds
RJ> like he deliberately makes it hard for people to believe--and
RJ> thus the threats of eternal damnation are all that's left to go
RJ> on. Makes God sound rather nasty...I could never worship
RJ> something like that.
I wouldn't either, but I don't see God that way at all. As I said at
the top, I believe God is, above all, fair. I don't claim to know the
answer to every question; but my faith tells me there *are* answers,
whether I know them or not.
... SEX education? I thought this was SECTS education!
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:18:00
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-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Michael Hardy <=-
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Sue Armstrong <=-
JS> (Gal 1:9 NIV) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody
JS> is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be
JS> eternally condemned!
SA> Nifty. Since I accept the writings of Lao Tzu (which can be
SA> considered "good news" - ie, "gospel"), therefore any Christian who
SA> preaches to me the bible is condemned. Har.
MH> You don't seriously think that's what it means, do you?
MHo> Well, not to mince words, but it is the literal gist of it.
No, it isn't, and her error (if it was an error on her part
and not a jibe) it comes from ignoring the context. Paul is writing to
a group of Christians, and telling them that if anyone tries to teach
them something other than Paul's understanding of Christianity, they
are not to listen.
In its historical context, this was written against the Judaizers, a
semi-Christian sect that believed Christ-followers should still be
circumcised and obey the laws of Moses. Paul's understanding was that
Jesus had fulfilled the laws of Moses and so they are no longer in
effect. Instead, Jesus replaced them with a less legalistic and more
gracious ethic: Love your neighbor. Love embodies all of the moral
principles of the laws of Moses -- no murder, adultery, theft, etc. --
without the ceremonial trappings, dietary regulations and so on.
... The world is a beautiful book, for those who can read it.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: David Dahl
|Sub: Re: Larry Sites
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:14:00
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-=> Quoting David Dahl to Michael Hardy <=-
LS> Make you feel good, cunt? How come the dick that's your head isn't
LS> here instead of you?
MH> To all non-Christians: He's one of yours.
DD> Yeah? Sure, you may think Sites is an Asshole, but he's NOT
DD> a REAL TRUE Asshole! He's False Asshole Scum!
DD> Seriously: why should we non-Christians be concerned that
DD> Sites is also a non-Christian? What is your point?
It's a jibe at those who constantly harp about how Michael Griffin or
some other nasty sort of person calls himself a Christian, trying to
make all of us guilty by implication.
... I am Mother of Borg ... no dessert until your broccoli is assimilated.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: A Day In The Life...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:16:00
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Michael Hardy <=-
JS> (Gal 1:9 NIV) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody
JS> is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be
JS> eternally condemned!
SA> Nifty. Since I accept the writings of Lao Tzu (which can be
SA> considered "good news" - ie, "gospel"), therefore any Christian who
SA> preaches to me the bible is condemned. Har.
MH> You don't seriously think that's what it means, do you?
DC> Why not, Mikey? It's written in your book.
See a post in this packet from me to Mark Hogan for the answer to your
query.
... I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: census
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:17:00
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> In fact, the Romans *did* require people to travel to their
MH> birthplace in order to register for a census. A census edict from
MH> Egypt, from 104 a.d., shows that they did just that. It begins: "Gaius
MH> Vibius Maximus, prefect of Egypt, says: The house-to-house census
MH> having started, it is essential that all persons who for any reason
MH> whatsoever are absent from their homes be summoned to return to their
MH> own hearths, in order that they perform the customary business of
MH> registration." ("A History of Rome Through the Fifth Century, ed.
MH> A.H.M. Jones, c. 1970, Harper and Row.)
DC> Re-read what you wrote a bid more closely, Michael. It says nothing
DC> of having to travel all over the world to get to their house. Most
DC> people did not travel far for a living in those days. They were
DC> home every night for supper. It says nothing about going to the
DC> place of their birth, only to their houses to help facilitate the
DC> count of those that lived in the locale.
Think it over very carefully, Dan. The census would take weeks or
months to complete. No single edict issued at the beginning of the
census would tell anyone which night he should be home. It's much more
likely that it refers to people who have left their place of birth,
telling them to return there for registration. (It makes the
bookkeeping easier, and the Romans weren't big on compassion toward the
people who would have to travel.)
... On Dr. McCoy's tombstone: "I'm dead, Jim."
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 23 Jan 96 20:45:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Ryan Shaw <=-
RS> ...anyhow, I think Steve was pointing out the hypocrisy in having sex
RS> shops on every corner and then turning around and banning a video
RS> game.
LB> Isn't it strange how we automatically combine violence and sex? They
LB> are two different concerns.
Not if you do it right. :)
... NO CARRIER... A naval aviator's worst nightmare ...
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 22 Jan 96 20:11:42
EID:be36 2036a160
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REPLY: 1:109/601.0 3103046d
On (22 Jan 96) Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Ryan Shaw...
LB> Gwenny and Ryan were killing time yakking about FOF:
RS> ...anyhow, I think Steve was pointing out the hypocrisy in
RS> having sex shops on every corner and then turning around and
RS> banning a video game.
LB> Isn't it strange how we automatically combine violence and
LB> sex? They are two different concerns.
I think that we combine them because there is a fairly strong
feeling that neither one is appropriate in our living rooms with
the children present. But, if I have to choose between the two,
I'd rather a child of mine saw two people making love, than that
(s)he saw two people killing each other.
However, most so-called "love scenes" that I've seen in recent
years don't appear to have a great deal to do with lover, either.
More's the pity.
... Religion is certainty without proof; science is proof with out certainty.
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|From: lump
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Re: DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:43:26
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LB> make me ready, Lord, for whatever it may be. If I am to stand up, help
LB> me to stand bravely. If I am to sit still, help me to sit quietly.
If
LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do nothing,
LB> let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than words, and give me
LB> the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
L> .....AMEN!....Very well said and thank you....
SR> Hooray! Now Lumpy can finally put his hands down and eat his bowl of
SR> Apple Jacks!
....Wow, try to have a conversation with someone decent and look
who just has to open their septic pool mouth...none other than one of
the "intelligent ones" (self proclaimed, ofcourse.)
HEY Dufus, Didn't your mother ever tell you not to speak until spoken
to?........BUTT OUT!
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|From: Lump and Mark
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Re: If ya' liked it once, you'll love it twice.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:47:17
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-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Steve Quarrella <=-
ML> Steve Quarrella, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
ML> said to Marty Leipzig:
SQ> On 16 Jan 96 11:26am, Marty Leipzig wrote to All:
ML> THE TOP FIFTEEN RIDICULOUSLY LONG BIBLICAL NAMES
ML> 1) Mahershalalhashbaz:
SQ> Didn't the Three Stooges refer to this when they were performing
SQ> operations?
ML> I don't know. Let's ask them.
ML> Hey! Jim, Lump and Mark. How about it?
.....I don't know, but you should, you were there too remember?...
they were operating on a chimp, weren't they?...Or was that a
chump....Oh well, same thing!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:43:14
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GR> Fuck you in the name of Santa.
....Is that why he comes DOWN your chiminey?.....
AG> Well, you're in the best Company. Count yourself blessed to be
AG> accounted worthy to bear the reproach of Jesus the Christ.
GR> And count yourself dead? Sorry.
....You've already been counted, George.
AG> subjects are therefore religious and worship (serve) him. Though many
AG> are athiest or agnostic.
GR> Sorry stupid, if I'm not going to bow to your pissant god what makes
GR> you think I'm going to bow down to Satan?
.......Sorry George, but, you've already done that.....Not even
Clarence can save you now...( Its a wonderful life)
GR> Let's see, if your god tells me to do something and I tell him to kiss
GR> my ass, I get to go to hell. Where do I go if Satan tells me to do
GR> something and I tell him to kiss my ass?
.....He just might do that with his spiked tongue ...You lose either
way George....GAME OVER....TILT.....YOU'RE DEAD...FOREVER!!!!!!
GR> ... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in
GR> protest.
...I agree, you're the sorriest sheep I've ever seen, but still like
a sheep you're dumb and WILL be led to the slaughter to be served as a
fatty knuckle!
AG> You would not know a Fundamental if one looked you in the eyes.
GR> Been one. I used to be like you.
....I doubt that, not even the Incredible hulk went thru a
transformation that bad......once a sinner, always a sinner.....in your
case only!
GR> And
AG> those that would march on Washington wouild be GOATS, not sheep. Read
AG> the Book!
GR> Mark 16:15-18. Read it and believe in it.
...You see George? No wonder you weren't a Christian, you only read one
Chapter and verse of the Bible...It's the only one you know, obviously!
GR> Don't just graze.
... You see George, you really did have a wonderful Life!
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|From: Lump
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Staal RULES!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:04:07
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
DC> @MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89090E43
-> On 01-17-96 02:37, Jim Staal got back to Preston Simpson
DC> Which tongue-tied Staal is this?
JS> Hello!? Who am I b***hing about that are trying to do what the Bible
JS> says?
DC> I don't know. Who are you birthing about? I didn't even know
DC> your got yourself knocked up.... Is Lump the father?
....Nope, I'm the brother......Who's your father, SATAN?
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:04:32
EID:423a 20371880
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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DC> You have a rather strong need to believe in mythical constructs.
DC> Goes to your family upbringing, or, in your case, inbreeding.
.......AAhhh, Mister Ceppa, we're right back at square one where we first
began 4mths ago, just slamming one another in the back with a pitch
fork...I changed and tried being a nice guy, just addressing issues that
concerned our beliefs....then, soon after, you and your "intelligent
friends" could'nt handle the fact of there being two Staals in this echo
and decided to chastise both of us as one.....Oh ye of simple faith and
mind.....Tsk Tsk.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: All
|Sub: Re: Jeezoids
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:51:46
EID:e735 20371e60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31045bc8
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to George Rudzinski <=-
JS> @MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3103fb7b
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jose Gomez <=-
GR> Sorry, no bitterness.
JS>
JS> Liar! Every post you write oozes with bitterness and bile...
GR> I ask that in the name of the Son
JG> of the Living God. Amen.
GR> Fuck Him and you, Amen.
GR> Shorter prayer, same outcome.
JS>
JS> Liar! Blasphemer!
You left out: Pagan
Atheist
Human sludge pit
Neanderthal
Snake Dung
Belly Crawler
Scum Sucker
.......... .......... ......... .......... .... ...
.......... .......... ......... .......... ..... ...
> ... > .. .. > ... > .. .. > ... .. ...
.......... .......... ... .......... ... .. ...
.......... .......... ... .......... ... .. ...
>> ... .. .. > ... > .. .. > ... .. ...
.......... .. .. ... .. .. ... .....
.......... .. .. ... .. .. ... ....
IS GEORGE RUDZINSKI!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:41:06
EID:b77a 20371d20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31045bc9
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Lump <=-
SQ> 3 Jan 96, dixit Lump ad Fredric Rice:
L> ....except the smell of furds burning in the morning,-Martin Sheen
SQ> Try again...it was Robert Duvall.
Nooo, it was Martin Sheen: "There's nothing like the smell
of _______ burning in the morning"< Apocolypse Now >
... "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?"
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bop-A-Pope, 5 tries for a quarter
|Date: 23 Jan 96 06:11:11
EID:535a 20373160
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 933b5a53
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 3103384d
On (21 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to J.J. Hitt...
RJ> BTW, was it you who had the discussion with Marilyn about
RJ> the dictator in Africa who built the cathedral? I think I
RJ> might have a name for you both--Jean-Bedel Bokassa. In 1977
RJ> he declared himself the Emperor of the Central African Empire
RJ> and spent $20,000,000 on a Napoleonic coronation in a country
RJ> with an average per-capita annual income of $250.
And the name of the country is. . . .?
... Tap here >>>>>>>>>> лллл <<<<<<<<<< with HAMMER for new monitor!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 23 Jan 96 06:12:29
EID:cd00 20373180
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 729d2942
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 3103384f
On (21 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to Steve Wallis...
JH> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but their
JH> very presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly on just
JH> what sort of character Mr. Miller actually is.
SW> Are you an ordained judge J.J.? Do you make a charge against
SW> Mr Miller? Or do you think you can mock Christ with your
SW> ridicule? It says in the Bible, "Thou shalt not put the Lord
SW> thy God to the test."
RJ> He's putting one member of your god's fanclub to the test.
This is a hoot. For some reason, they think that just because
their god tells THEM not to judge, they'll be free from OUR
judgment also. Do you want to tell him, or should be leave him in
the dark?
... Nehi Club Soda on Ice. Tonya's favorite.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Lump
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 23 Jan 96 08:54:18
EID:75bd 203746c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3105087b
-=> Quoting Lump to George Rudzinski <=-
-
GR> Fuck you in the name of Santa.
Lu> ....Is that why he comes DOWN your chiminey?.....
AG> Well, you're in the best Company. Count yourself blessed to be
AG> accounted worthy to bear the reproach of Jesus the Christ.
GR> And count yourself dead? Sorry.
Lu> ....You've already been counted, George.
Lump,
By god, not by you.
AG> subjects are therefore religious and worship (serve) him. Though many
AG> are athiest or agnostic.
GR> Sorry stupid, if I'm not going to bow to your pissant god what makes
GR> you think I'm going to bow down to Satan?
Lu> .......Sorry George, but, you've already done that.....Not even
Lu> Clarence can save you now...( Its a wonderful life)
I don't want to be saved. I don't even believe in believe in being saved.
GR> Let's see, if your god tells me to do something and I tell him to kiss
GR> my ass, I get to go to hell. Where do I go if Satan tells me to do
GR> something and I tell him to kiss my ass?
Lu> .....He just might do that with his spiked tongue ...You lose
Lu> either way George....GAME OVER....TILT.....YOU'RE
Lu> DEAD...FOREVER!!!!!!
So are you when the time comes. You sorry bastards are short one person
that
lives after death.
GR> ... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in
GR> protest.
Lu> ...I agree, you're the sorriest sheep I've ever seen, but still
Lu> like a sheep you're dumb and WILL be led to the slaughter to be
Lu> served as a fatty knuckle!
Pfft! The only things that you can slaughter are the English language,
the
truth, and a Big Mac with cheese.
Did your old man croak yet or is god still letting him suffer?
AG> You would not know a Fundamental if one looked you in the eyes.
GR> Been one. I used to be like you.
Lu> ....I doubt that, not even the Incredible hulk went thru a
Lu> transformation that bad......once a sinner, always a sinner.....in
Lu> your case only!
Who made you god? Not your call, read your Bible.
GR> And
AG> those that would march on Washington wouild be GOATS, not sheep. Read
AG> the Book!
GR> Mark 16:15-18. Read it and believe in it.
Lu> ...You see George? No wonder you weren't a Christian, you only read
Lu> one Chapter and verse of the Bible...It's the only one you know,
Lu> obviously!
And it is one that you are terrified of. Your Jesus meets the road and
your
ass is the rubber.
I can see why you gutless pukes are so terrified of Jesus's words. You
don't
believe your own bull.
Hell you Staal boys aren't even good fundies. You know next to nothing
about
the Bible.
george
... Still, I had one skill primitive man did not, I could whine. TWY
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Lump
|Sub: Re: Jeezoids
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:08:38
EID:74fe 20374900
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3105087c
-=> Quoting Lump to All <=-
GR> Shorter prayer, same outcome.
JS>
JS> Liar! Blasphemer!
Lu> You left out: Pagan
Sorry stupid, pagans have gods, I don't.
Lu> Atheist
Damn straight and damn proud of it.
Lu> Human sludge pit
Bearing false witness? Not nice fundie. I offered your brother a job,
in fact
I got him one when he claimed he needed one. I offered to do research work
for
your brother and gave him a free sample.
Lu> Neanderthal
Take some lesson in paleontology, your brother's GIF is distinctly Neaderthal
like.
Lu> Snake Dung
At least you had the courtesy to rate me above fundie shit.
Sorry if the word shit offends you but I've been unable to find any difference
between shit and dung. I haven't tried the taste test. Is that the
difference?
Lu> Belly Crawler
Sure am! Learned how to do that in the military. You know, that patriotic
stuff that you and your brother opted to chicken out on.
Has anyone in your family ever served in the military or do you come from
a
long line of loud mouth yellow bastards?
Lu> Scum Sucker
Damn straight. I can suck an oyster out of it's shell quicker than you
can
spell fundie.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Lump
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:16:18
EID:cfda 20374a00
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3105087d
-=> Quoting Lump to Steve Quarrella <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Lump <=-
SQ> 3 Jan 96, dixit Lump ad Fredric Rice:
L> ....except the smell of furds burning in the morning,-Martin Sheen
SQ> Try again...it was Robert Duvall.
Lu> Nooo, it was Martin Sheen: "There's nothing like the smell
Lu> of _______ burning in the morning"< Apocolypse Now >
Try again Moron.
It was Robert Duvall.
"There's nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning." Paraphrased,
not
an exact quote. But I'll wager it is a ton closer than yours.
george
... Those who vote Republican are either very rich or very stupid.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: lump
|Sub: Re: DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:18:09
EID:f3a8 20374a40
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3105087e
-=> Quoting lump to Steve Rose <=-
SR> Hooray! Now Lumpy can finally put his hands down and eat his bowl of
SR> Apple Jacks!
lu> ....Wow, try to have a conversation with someone decent and look
lu> who just has to open their septic pool mouth...none other than one
lu> of the "intelligent ones" (self proclaimed, ofcourse.)
lu> HEY Dufus, Didn't your mother ever tell you not to speak until
lu> spoken to?........BUTT OUT!
Shit for brains, most of us are beyond listening to our mothers.
We sure aren't going to take orders from you.
george
... The Left is everyone who isn't pathologically insane. Noam Chomsky
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: LIAR!
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:31:32
EID:4a8f 20374be0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3105087f
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to George Rudzinski <=-
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to David Sparrow <=-
GR> Sorry dipshit, I'm not bitter and twisted.
JS> You are a liar! You are major bitter. You also are a bit of a
JS> poltroon.
I'm not the one with the imaginary friends to protect me.
JS> Didn't see you on Saturday.
Of course not. I don't let a mere child control my actions. Get your kicks
by telling Wilbur what to do.
Can't you drive by a church on
JS> Saturday morning, george?
Do it all the time stupid, I live next to a church. I drive by a church
most
every day of the week. Every spring I put up a new net for their outdoor
basketball hoop, at my expense.
I just don't do what you want me to.
Hmmm...wotta hangup. You must be from the
JS> west side...
Sure am, and proud of it. And I don't lock my doors. What are you afraid
of?
Some karate kid? Nobody in my neighborhood screws around with me. Why
is
that?
JS> ... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural
JS> superior
Pray harder.
george
... The Left is everyone who isn't pathologically insane. Noam Chomsky
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Jeezoids
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:34:22
EID:e714 20374c40
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 31050880
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to George Rudzinski <=-
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jose Gomez <=-
GR> Sorry, no bitterness.
JS> Liar! Every post you write oozes with bitterness and bile...
Like the post where I got you a job?
GR> I ask that in the name of the Son
JG> of the Living God. Amen.
GR> Fuck Him and you, Amen.
GR> Shorter prayer, same outcome.
JS> Liar! Blasphemer!
Too bad hasn't said a word to me about being a blasphemer.
The outcome is the same. Your prayers don't do shit.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:36:51
EID:eb78 20374c80
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to George Rudzinski <=-
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jose Gomez <=-
GR> God tell you that? I may not scar him, but I scare the shit out of
GR> fundies like you when I refuse to follow your crap.
JS>
Nice retort from an ignorant fundie.
GR> I take my marching orders from God, and God has never talked to me.
JS> He will...I promise.
Too bad you aren't in a position to promise that your god will do anything.
Keep waving your arms, someday that might be considered flight.
george
... There is faith, True Faith, and Jesus didn't mean that. gr
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Staal
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:42:43
EID:39d0 20374d40
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> 900 square feet including garage IS a post box.
JS> My point purty nearly...
'Lil Fundie,
The first floor of my home is far bigger than that and I don't even have
a
garage.
Better pray harder or find a better god to pray to.
You must live in Grandville, where gerbils live in gerbil size cages.
george
... The fundie lowered its pointy head and charged the truck.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Don Ward
|Sub: Re: HI
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:46:52
EID:4167 20374dc0
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-=> Quoting Don Ward to Christian Miller <=-
DW> While listening in I heard
DW> Christian Miller speaking about Re: HICM>
A > So two wrongs make a right?
CM>No but three lefts do. Seriously... What God does is NOT wrong.
CM>How can a lower form of being (human) judge a great power? We just
CM>don't like what God does at times...
CM>Christian
DW>
DW> Christian, if you are a Christian, why do you chat with unclean
DW> spirits? Leave this den of fools to their on folly. And follow what
the
DW> good book says......
Don,
Why don't you? Mark 16:15-18. I'll pour.
Could it be that you can't show that you are a clean spirit?
george
... There is faith, True Faith, and Jesus didn't mean that. gr
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Re: dipstick sees UFO...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 09:52:37
EID:74e2 20374e80
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 31050884
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
JS> C'mon...and 'learnt'? Wouldn't that be 'learned'?
SQ>
SQ> I'm playing with the language, Jimbo. Certainly you took history of
SQ> the language when you were majoring in English? Why is it that I seem
SQ> to know more about our language than you do, yet you allegedly have
a
SQ> degree in it?
Steve,
He has no degrees, and very little college level education either formal
or
informal.
I have some good books here on Old English and Middle
SQ> English, and can provide you with ISBNs if you'd like to learn a few
SQ> things.
SQ> I find it unlikely that Staal majored in English,
He majored in painting cars and sucking up aeromatic hydrocarbons.
unless you can get
SQ> such a degree reading nothing higher than the vocabulary level of The
SQ> Hardy Boys or Nancy Drew. I would expect these words to be found in
at
SQ> least one of the novels that was "required reading" for that degree.
JS> Didn't read and of those steenking novels.
SQ>
SQ> Then, pray tell, what was your curriculum for obtaining your degree?
He has no degree. He hasn't even bothered to educate himself.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:07:17
EID:6980 203750e0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 31050885
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Jim Staal <=-
JS> What...the 'sucking up' part?
LB> No, Jim -- the "sucking up" part is so ludicrous that it does nothing
LB> but bring a smile to my face. I've made friends here, to be sure.
And
LB> I don't make my friends pass a theology exam in order to qualify --
JS>
JS> I guess it doesn't say 'Making Friends Echo' on the roster. I says
JS> 'Religion Debate Echo'. I have many friends who do not believe.
Name two.
I
JS> have friends who do not believe as I do. Neither of the above condemn
JS> me for what I believe. I do not condemn them for what they do or do
JS> not believe.
You just condemn those that aren't your friends, like me.
They accept and respect me as a reasonably intelligent
JS> individual possessing above average eloquence and grasp of the
JS> language.
Don't blame us because your friends aren't honest with you.
I've got cats smarter than you.
Nothing but the total opposite has happened to me here
JS> since the first day I walked into this place in 1993 and replied (with
JS> the same respect I would give any stranger face to face)
Well actually I warned you that it would. You aren't reasonably intelligent,
and very ignorant. I told you that you would get hammered.
But being stuturally graced, you thought that would mean something.
to some post
JS> from Fred Rice about Robert Schuler wanting to direct his ministry to
JS> the children of unbelievers. (Or course Rice implied that the brother
JS> Schuler wanted the children for some perverse sex act or something of
JS> the like).
Well you have stated that as a Christian you have a right to
take my children from me.
In light of the above, you wonder why I reply in the
JS> manner I do three years later? I don't think so.
JS>
JS> BTW, this place is _about_ theology exams. If your'e not
JS> giving/receiving one, then you are doing something wrong. (IMHO)
I'm giving two exams.
1) Mark 16:15-18 I'll pour.
2) Cough up the chemical formula for the pills on my montitor.
If you can't take or pass either exam, what are you doing here?
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Christians...together
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:11:38
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Dick Holm <=-
-=> Quoting Dick Holm to Jim Staal <=-
DH> I concur wholeheartedly with Lynda. I have yet to see a Christian
DH> here who supports Biblical theology in the way you describe it. Those
DH> who support your version of theology show few signs of being
DH> Christian,
JS> Hmmm...interesting contradiction here, Dick. First you say there are
JS> none here who support my theology and then you say those who do
JS> aren't Christian. Can't have it both ways, dude. So, what is it are
JS> there those here who support me or not?
I support your theology.
Unfortunately you don't, aka, Mark 16:15-18.
You don't believe in the Bible you claim to.
george
... Believing is the easy part of salvation. The hard part is dying.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Fun in Church...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:17:40
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Ryan Shaw <=-
RS> It's simple. What you have is a man [or a woman] standing in front
of
RS> people telling them what to believe.
JS>
JS> That is where we disagree, Ryan. The preacher is not telling us what
JS> to believe. We believe what is in the Bible.
Feel free to believe any time you want you liar. Mark 16:15-18.
Christ's test of a true believer, not mine.
Or do you only graze? Or decide what you want god to say?
george
... There is faith, True Faith, and Jesus didn't mean that. gr
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Fundamentalists r us
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:46:22
EID:6f55 203755c0
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Jim Staal <=-
JS>
KDM> This is insane.
JS>
JS> Hmmm...can you evidence this alleged 'insanity'?
JS>
KDM> Do you also accept the fact that the sun hasn't crashed into the
KDM> Earth as evidence of God?
JS>
JS> For me it evidences God's faithfulness, yes...
Mark 16:15-18. Why are you afraid of god's faithfulness?
although I understand
JS> the scientific principles involved.
Yeah! Right.
However, as I believe God made
JS> those principles in the first place, if He so desired, He could in a
JS> heart beat rescind them as well.
Why are afraid that he won't rescind them when it comes to Mark 16:15-18?
Why
can't you show that he CAN rescind them when it comes to the pills on my
monitor?
Why do you make claims about your god that your god consistently can't
cash?
Sounds more like you are trying to sell your beliefs, short one god.
george
... There is faith, True Faith, and Jesus didn't mean that. gr
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Staal polishes his shoes
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:48:48
EID:5c91 20375600
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 31050889
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Steve Quarrella <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> 19 Jan 96, dixit Jim Staal ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ> The LAN project approaches completion, which will mean "Operation Jim
SQ> and Jesse" will begin.
JS> Why..._WHY_ do you have to say our names in the same breath?
SQ> Why is that a problem? Is there some reason why you don't fellowship
SQ> your "brother in Christ?"
JS>
JS> I know nothing of this 'fellowship' you speak of. To fellowship _with_
JS> someone, yes, but as you speak of it, no...and the 'christianity'
JS> Jesse speaks of, I do not necessarily share. He may be a fine man, but
JS> we read an all too different Bible, apparently...
No two of you christians can show an ability to read, let alone read
the same bible, whatever the hell that is.
george
... Believing is the easy part of salvation. The hard part is dying.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Staal's big heart
|Date: 23 Jan 96 10:57:48
EID:6d2d 20375720
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Dan Ceppa <=-
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
JS> So some moron plagiarizes the Bible...so what? Many alleged 'wise' men
JS> and philosophers have done so and claimed a following. Dig deal.
DC> That "moron" is probably the most famous and learned scholar of
DC> the Hebrew bible, you stupid twerp.
JS>
JS> So? That does not prove as you have stated that Jesus got His ideas
JS> from him. It is obvious from your own statement that your man (jew
JS> boy whoever)
Jew boy?
Shit for brains, Jesus was a Jew boy.
got _his_ ideas from the Bible. That is also where Jesus
JS> quoted His from as well. Big Deal. Meaningless...
You don't have one word from Jesus. The truth sucks doesn't it fundie?
DC> His words were recorded in
DC> the Babylonia Talmud, Shabbat, before your bible was written. If
DC> it wasn't for some of his writings, your Jesus would not have
DC> had anything to say.
JS>
JS> I don't care if they were recorded in rocks on the moon, Jesus (God
JS> and very God) said 'em first. Whether in the 'hebrew bible' or in the
JS> NT.
Jesus didn't say anything in the NT. Not book of Jesus in any NT that I've
seen. I have read the gospel of the Saviour, but you religious nuts don't
believe that it is from Jesus.
DC> It is he that taught Gamaliel, who is needed in your "NT" to
DC> legitimize your religion.
JS>
JS> Evidence?
DC> Another work that would interest you is of another Jewish writer,
DC> RabbiAkiba, in 89 BCE, where it is recorded that, 'Rabbi Akiba said,
DC> "Though shalt love thy neighbor as y