God Damned Fundies!
|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: FOF update
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:38:01
EID:1e59 203934c0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31088111
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Mark Hogan <=-
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-
MH>
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to LARRY SITES <=-
SW>
SW> Larry, you really do play the part of a fool well. If your so against
SW> Focus on the Family, then why do you call them and waist there time
SW> ordering books from them?
SW>
SW> You actually cancelled your AOL membership becuase they are for Focus
SW> on the Family!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Wake up Larry! No matter what
SW> online service you call your gonna find information and people who dont
SW> share your exact same views in life. Being a man of an analitical
SW> mindset, you really outdid yourself this time.
MH>
MH> Steve, you're not understanding. Perhaps you portray the fool
MH> better than anyone, if you didn't comprehend what Larry was
SW>
SW> Wisdom is justified by her children Mark.
MH>
MH> Is that all you can do; babble? You're not understanding. I'm
MH> beginning to think it's because you're willfully ignorant, Steve. Wise
MH> up, already.
Think what you will Mark, your opinion's dont mean a cent to me.
MH> lamenting upon. Focus of the Family isn't just providing
MH> information on AOL, they're influencing it, and trying to
MH> 'cleanse' it, to their satisfication and nobody else's. Let's say
MH> they decide to do-away with laughing, virtually. "God wouldn't
MH> approve," they say. Well, you're on your first offense. A couple
MH> more, and you're gone. It's not a silly example, as they're
MH> already banning what is, in only their opinion, malediction. If
MH> they don't like what you say, they'll take action. It sounds
MH> ridiculous, but hey. They are.
MH>
SW>
SW> Well, if it's their online service or AOL supports focus on the
SW> family, then Focus on the family has the right to mediate what they
SW> feel is appropriate material and to censor what they deem as not. It
SW> is a comercial business Mark, not a democracey.
MH>
MH> You're wholly missing the point. FOF is redundant. People are
MH> supposed to mediate their -own- fields of what they find tolerable,
MH> and what they don't. If you lack that judgement, I don't see why you
MH> should be permitted to live, nevermind reap enjoyment out of
MH> privileges.
Your missing the point-They own it Mark, They can do what they will with
it. If you dont like it-dont subscribe Mark-Frankly, I really dont care.
MH>
MH> "But, whoops. Steve says it's so. He -must- be right, no matter
MH> how wrong he is. I guess I just don't have a choice; after all, this
MH> is North America -- a dictatorship. We don't have an opinion here,
MH> right Steve?"
You have the choice to subscribe to it-and you have the choice not to. Be
happy Mark, you have a freewill! You are able to enjoy what you will, and
the right to do as you please.
MH> For one thing, AOL isn't at all worth subscribing to in the
MH> first place. Second, they've severely crippled themselves, in what
MH> they allow to pass through their net-flood gates. Third, they have
MH> this silly organization that wants to enforce control over others'
MH> free thought and will, through written-censorship.
SW>
SW> It might not be worth subscribing for you but other's opinions may
SW> vary. If they want to censar what they deem immoral material, they have
SW> the right to do so. They have tons of subscribers and what might prove
SW> tolerable to one might be offensive to another. One cant please
SW> everyone in life and there trying the best they can to clean up OAL
and
SW> make it into something family's can enjoy. That is there right if they
SW> choose to do so and I support them on that.
MH>
MH> You're a fool. We're individuals -- I don't want my individuality
MH> taken/stripped away, just because some pompous fool thinks they own
MH> the right to deem what they think is too explicit for me. I'm an
Have you been modeming for so long that your computer is such an intrical
part of your life that when an online service changes to a more Christian
like atmosphere, your whole individuality is taken/stripped away??? !!!
MH> individual, and I have individual rights. I have, and only I have, the
MH> right to deign what I want to see/read/hear/say. We're not slaves, and
MH> I refuse to be a virtual/digital slave to some militant fundy group
MH> who're trying to 'save us.' From who, ourselves? Get bent. I like, and
MH> am happy, with who I am. I don't need you telling me, or some group
MH> dictating to me, what's right and wrong. I know those for myself; as
MH> an individual. As long as I abide by the law, they can't touch me.
Your talking like your on trial here Mark. In case you dont know, I am not
your judge. Take this for an example- Look at bbs's, there are some that
have strict guidlines-ex. No swearing, No Handles, No Pirate Warze. And
then
you have bbs's that have swearing all over the place, Handles for every
user and pirated software as a files base. If you call a "clean bbs" What
are you gonna do, tell the sysop you want handles, swearing and pirate warze
on it so you can make a choice on what you read and download? No, you
wouldnt. You would have to call a bourd that has all the "dirt" on it to
find that and then, you could make your choice on what you deem as moral.
If you dont like a certain bbs, dont call it. Or start your own and configure
it to your standard of ethics.
SW> Surprized you didnt petition to your sysop to remove
SW> Holy Smoke from the message area-after all Larry, there
SW> are Christians on it...
MH>
MH> Smarten up, Steve. The two are incomparable. You can speak
MH> your mind here; you can't, on AOL. Is that clarified enough for
MH> you?
MH>
SW> Calm down killer, I was making a point. But even on these message
SW> echo's, one cant just do or say whatever they like. Most of them have
SW> strict guidlines that the mediator invokes to moderate his echo. If
SW> one doesnt like it, then they can switch to another echo or....start
SW> there own...
MH>
MH> You weren't making a point, you were being an ass. You still are,
MH> for that matter. "You can't say or do whatever you like." Watch me!
MH> Look, I'm jumping up and down, Steve. Stop me! I like it fine, and
MH> there's nothing you can do to stop me, Hitler-boy.
"hitler boy"? I seriously doubt that one. And you know full well what I
was saying and you also know I was right. If Styx decided one day not
to allow lets say swearing in here-thats his right. And he could bounce,
whoever he wanted off his echo. He owns it-he moderates it. Your whining
about wouldnt change that.
MH> What's that, Steve? "Then they can switch to another echo or ...
MH> start their own." Wow! That almost sounds like a judgement call,
MH> something you were implying we're incapable of making. After all, if
MH> we were capable of making those, why would we need FOF to make them
MH> for us? Golly, I think you're full of shit. You hypocrite!
I real dont care what you think Mark, Im not trying to gain your respect.
Again, your under the misguided notion that im trying to put you on trial,
which is wrong. Like I said, Im not your judge Mark. Even on footnote, I
preached freewill. If your too stiffnecked to see that then thats your
sorry problem. I believe in rights and freedoms guy. And if AOL chooses
to be a Christian online service, guess what Mark...."Thats their right!"
Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: HI
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:29:10
EID:3ddd 20393ba0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 f14ece9e
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31062b36
On (24 Jan 96) Steve Wallis wrote to Marilyn Burge...
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Annette Spence <=-
MB> On (19 Jan 96) Annette Spence wrote to Hector Plasmic...
HP> Simple question: if your gods didn't create evil, who did? If it was
a
HP> creation of your gods that did, didn't your gods indirectly create it?
HP> If something not created by your gods did, where'd _that_ come from?
AS> In my opinion, evil is a choice not a thing to be invented.
MB> Then how come Jehovah, in the first person, yet, bragged about
MB> having created it (in Isaiah)?
SW> Where does it say that Marilyn? I dont believe Ive read that
SW> scripture. You want to know why? Becuase its not there. Sin is a
SW> violation of the law. When God's law was broken sin was born.
SW> May God provide you with wisdom. Godbless!
You're the one who needs wisdom, fundy.
Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Why is it we heathens know your fucking book so damned much better
than you fundies?
... Creationists: Transitional forms between idiots and morons.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Lump
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:22:04
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to George Rudzinski <=-
JS> @MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3106536f
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Lump <=-
JS>
GR> Did your old man croak yet or is god still letting him suffer?
JS>
JS> You are west side sleaze in it's lowest state, george...
JS>
...Yeah, I told him that in a few different ways and vivid
words......
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:32:04
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
JS> @MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31065371
-=> Quoting Lump to Steve Quarrella <=-
Lu> @MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31045bc9
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Lump <=-
SQ> 3 Jan 96, dixit Lump ad Fredric Rice:
L> ....except the smell of furds burning in the morning,-Martin Sheen
SQ> Try again...it was Robert Duvall.
Lu>
Lu> Nooo, it was Martin Sheen: "There's nothing like the smell
Lu> of _______ burning in the morning"< Apocolypse Now >
JS>
JS> Perhaps, but it was Robert Duvall who said in the same movie, 'I love
JS> the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells...like victory'.
.....Yes, it was, but marty said the above quote earlier in the
movie...I remember when Duvall said, when he was in his cubby as
Sheen was coming to kill him....
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: -------
|Date: 22 Jan 96 22:21:20
EID:324c 2036b2a0
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-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: ------- which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LC> Maybe it was the primary religion, but the Founders such as
LC> Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington were Deists (They believed in
LC> god, but they didn't believe in one of the major religions.One of the
LC> prerequesites of Free Masonry is that you believe in God).
KW>
KW> Not God, Luke, a god. A stated belief in *a* supreme creator is
KW> specified, but which 'supreme' creator is not. There are Pagan
KW> Masons.
I'm aware of that.When I say God, I don't neccesarilly refer
to YHVH, Jesus, Allah, or any other such thing.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Larry Sites
|Sub: Re: FOF=child abuse
|Date: 22 Jan 96 22:48:22
EID:67d2 2036b600
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31044c76
-=> Larry Sites invoked FOF=child abuse which summoned All<=-
LS> Article 14 gives the child the right to freedom of thought,
LS> conscience, and religion.
All the horor!!!
LS> courts force the parents to allow the child to
LS> think whatever he wills,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What, the Christians are going to start "Thought Police"?
If you think blasphemous thoughts, you can be disciplined?
Also, how the fuck will any being stop any other being from
thinking what they will?
I don't think technology has progressed that far.
LS> Parents would not be able to require their child to learn
LS> about the Bible or attend church if the
LS> child did not want to do so (Article 14).
This is good.Now maybe my parents won't make me go.
Of course, if the christians had their way, EVERYONE would be nice
bible reading, church going, decent folk and 'blasphemous' books
by 'Nietzsche', 'Lovecraft', 'Rand', 'Crowley', and others would
be burned.How like the Nazis.
LS> Parents would have no say regarding their child's choice of
LS> friends (Article 15).
Like they really would anyway.What are they going to do, follow them
around all day? Why not hold their dick for 'em so they can't
fornicate when they take a piss?
LS> Parents could be prohibited from spanking their children
LS> (Article 18).
In other words, there prohibited from doing something to some one
less than 1/2 their size which would be illegal for them to do to
any one else.
LS> What Next?
No more welts on the ass?
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:13:24
EID:31ac 2036b9a0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31045254
-=> Jim Staal invoked Holiday Greetings... which summoned Luke Clark<=-
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Jim Staal <=-
JS> (Rom 9:19 NIV) One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still
JS> blame us? For who resists his will?"
JS> (Rom 9:20 NIV) But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall
JS> what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like
JS> this?'"
LC> Yes this one shall say that! The above is a cop out!
JS> A cop out for whom?
Paul.It set's it up nice so he doesn't have to answer any hard
philosophical questions about Pre-Destination vs. Free Will.
LC> I question
LC> him.If he has any comments, he knows where to find me.
JS> Sounds like it is starting to get personal, Luke...
Hey, he know's where I am.If he has anything to say, I'm listening.
He supposedly bashed a guy of a horse and caused faith in him,
so why not a teenager in Baltimore?
JS> I used to, Luke...soem dude by the name of 'the red rooster' (a
JS> protege of Bobby the brain) used win his matches with a hold he called
JS> the 'chicken wing'.
LC> The Red Rooster? That was one of the more dim-witted gimicks the
LC> WWF had.I was referring to the move Bob Backlund will put on you
LC> if don't call him "Mister Backlund".
JS> Oh...like MISTER Backlund? Does he have the dude stand on a Milk Crate
JS> [TM]?
He,he,he... well, no...
JS> (1 Cor 15:22 NIV) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be
JS> made alive.
JS> (Psa 51:5 NIV) Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my
JS> mother conceived me.
JS> King David speaking on this last one...a man the Bible calls 'a man
JS> after God's own heart'. The dude knows what he is talking about.
LC> How where they sinful.I want a reason, not mindless repitition.
JS> When you say 'mindless repetition' it starts to sound personal, Luke.
I'm just making an observation.Does not the Lord want you to be wise
as serpents? (Which has some interesting possibilities considering
the apparent Serpent/Satan correspondence).You don't really say to much
that I haven't heard before.If you want Christianity to last, it needs
to start being original.Not neccesarily changing the bible, but
changing it's preaching tactics.
LC> How is a child responsible for the sin of Adam.Isn't sin a
LC> choice?
JS> Our 'original sin' in Adam is no choice for us. It was one for him,
JS> but in making his choice, he made it for all who were to come after
JS> him. A child is responsible for the sin of Adam because God said
JS> he/she is. He does make the rules, ya know...:)
Doesn't that violate Old Testament codes about the son not being
responsible for the sins of his father, nor the father being responsible
for the sins of his son (I believe it's in Deuteronomy)?
JS> No claim is made that this is going to satisfy man's logic or sense
of
JS> justice. It doesn't have to. God's logic and justice are beyond
JS> question.
LC> For you.That's a slave mentality, that won't question his master.
JS> When you say 'slave mentality' it sounds like it is getting personal,
JS> Luke. In any event, the questions were there once, and then answered
JS> when that scripture was read.
The trouble is, I've pretty much done the vestiges of the Christian
paradigm from with in me.I can't believe blindly.
LC> How did they sin?
JS> By impution through their father, Adam.
LC> I'm sure Hitler used a similar rationalization to justify the
LC> Holocaust.
JS> I neither know nor care how that heinous individual rationalized his
JS> sorry actions. That is of no concern to me. I cannot do any thing
JS> about that. It is history. I can only do what I can to prevent it from
JS> happening in my town, in my lifetime.
That's a good approach to take.I try not to get caught up in revenge
and the like either.
JS> If the latter, the parents must carry full brunt of that one because
JS> if they had believed, then the infants would have been saved as well.
Where does it say that in the bible? How do you define 'the full brunt'?
I thought Hell was a pit of fire where all were tortured indescriminately?
Anyway, it does not speak well of your God if he's going to toss
little infants into the Lake of Fire.
LC> Your god didn't seem to care.All he seemed to care about what was
LC> vengeance, regardless of who he hurt.
JS> Not necessarily vengeance as you may think of it but rather justice:
JS> These are the rules, you break 'em, this is the punishment.
But how were the children aware of the rules? If child breaks certain rules,
do you punish them the same as an adult? It seems like your trying to
de-personalize god into a kind of force that just 'is'.
Everybody
JS> breaks the rules by nature. I have provided a way out. If you do not
JS> take it, the punishment stands.
In this country if there is a rule that everyone breaks, we get rid
of the offending rule.That's called democracy.But the bible doesn't
support democracy, does it? Heck, it might be construed to support
communism.
JS> It was perfect in that it had no sin. Adam made a choice. That choice
JS> affected the entire universe and everything in it.
LC> You agree sin is a choice.How could the babies make that choice?
JS> Adam had the choice in regard to this 'original sin' thing. We have
no
JS> choice about that. Everybody is afficted, like it or not.
Why did god allow that to happen, knowing that little babies would
be sent to hell?
LC> (This is interesting, as it applies to the Fundamentalist Pro-Life
LC> agenda)
JS> In what manner? (I have thoughts on this, but I would like to hear
JS> yours as well)
Damn this fido lag, I forgot.Hold on.
I was thinking that if being killed before you grew beyond infancy
was a ticket to heaven, you'd think Fundamentalist Christianity would
be fully in support of it.Also, what if somebody has an abortion, but
repents and is saved? Who carries the brunt of the death of that being
then?
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: Just take out the co
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:26:26
EID:3bc8 2036bb40
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31045562
-=> Asmodeus invoked Re: Just take out the cor which summoned J.j. Hitt<=-
As> [B** Quoting J.J. Hitt to Asmodeus **
As> of anything outside that which I wish to accomplish. I
As> cannot say it is easy,
As> but at the same time not difficult.
Ever read Crowley's 'Magick in Theory and Practice"?
As> against someone for such a petty thing as that which you did. That
is
As> not deservant of death, which can occur if the magickian is willful
As> enough to summon such energy from within himself, and in that case
I
As> was quite angry.
Magick ain't gonna do shit if you sit on your ass all day.Magick
is way to focus your self on something, it won't get that something
by itself.You need to do what Crowley called "Manifesting the Magickal
Link".
As> incorrect in assuming this. I do not use drugs, as they
As> are truly harmful and
As> I do not wish to harm that which I love so much. Namely, me.
If you love yourself, why do you chose such Nihilistic Imagery?
Besides, if you follow a philosophy of Hedonism, wouldn't any
pleasure be acceptable?
I'm a Nihilist, myself (Go look it up).
I do not
As> fit the typical view of you most likely have of wanna-be-Pagans, as
I
As> am a true believer in my religion, and do not use it as a tool to
As> justify my actions.
Your shitting me! What purpose is there for your religion other
than to justify your actions?
Also, no curse will find its way to you any time
As> soon through me, unless you attempt to harm me other than through mere
As> words.
As> Please do not send me any more hate-mail, and I will respond in kind.
If he doesn't send you hate mail, you'll respond in kind?
You haven't gotten over the Masochism caused by Christianity,
have you?
Do what thou wilt.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: On the fifth day of
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:17:28
EID:2506 2037aa20
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 310588a8
-=> Asmodeus invoked Re: On the fifth day of S which summoned J.j. Hitt<=-
As> [B** Quoting J.J. Hitt to Asmodeus **
J>
As> Oh, one more thing: Have A Nice Day :)
Have A Nice Day? HAND?
I'm surprised you'd have one free to type the above.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:21:30
EID:abab 2037aaa0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3105899a
-=> Richard Morrison invoked Re: White-lighter Religio which summoned Asmodeus<=-
A>Things occur that couldn't possibly happen, but they do, in my favo
A>everyday basis just about. Unlike other theists that pray, wind up
A>empty-handed, doubt, then pray again, I actually do something and w
A>what I want. It's a win/win situation.
RM> What about salvation?
Christian, save thy self.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 23 Jan 96 21:24:32
EID:7740 2037ab00
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31058a50
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: White-lighter Religi which summoned
Asmodeus<=-
A>** Quoting Luke Clark to Asmodeus **
A>L> -=> Asmodeus invoked Re: White-lighter Religio which summoned Fredric
A>L> Rice<=-
KW> Asmodeus--a Christian demon most often associated with possessing
KW> nuns. Seems to be the christian demonic form of Aramaiti, the mother
of
KW> 'the people made of clay', an Iranian goddess and one of the precursors
KW> to 'Yahweh'.
Not completely correct.Asmodeus is not hebrew, he's persian.
He's mentioned in the Talmud as well as certain Apocryphal books.
He's not neccesarilly a Demon, in the sense that he's a fallen
angel, but is the leader of a race of independant spirits (Similar
to the Djinn of Islam), that have a choice of accepting the Torah
or not.
Luke
... A little greed can get you a lot of stuff.
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Bloody weather.
|Date: 24 Jan 96 15:14:57
EID:1621 203879c0
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 3106d961
Hi Marty...
On 22 Jan 96 11:52:03, Marty Leipzig penned the following to Robert Jackson
re: Bloody weather.
RJ> Yeah, how 'bout this seasonably warm weather us Gulfdwellers
RJ> are experiencing. BWAAHAHA!!
ML> I too was laughing, until I had to mow my lawn.
ML> IN JANUARY!
ML> At least you don't have to shovel clippings.
Just think, Marty... you could be here in Calgary enjoying the
-30 C temperatures, shovelling tonnes of snow off the sidewalk
and exchanging the front tires on your car for skis! B-})
John
... Winter is Nature's way of saying, "Up Yours!"
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 24 Jan 96 10:39:26
EID:2991 203854e0
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 3106d962
Hi Andrew...
On 21 Jan 96 00:52:50, Andrew Masten penned the following to Katherine
Wintersnight
re: Viability
AM> If in general your interested in findings that support the
AM> Bible, go to any Christian bookstore and get a copy of Evidence that
AM> Demands a Verdict. Written by Josh McDowell. This man is a lawyer who
AM> originally set out to write a book to debunk Christianity. But was
AM> instead compelled to write in favor of it.
I just finished "Reasons Skeptics Should Consider
Christianity". What a load of CRAP! McDowell just repeats the
same lies and obfuscations we've been reading for years.
However, for your edification, I present this! (I didn't write
it)
_ _ _O_/_ _C_u_t_ _H_e_r_e_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
O \
Top Ten List Of More Accurate Names For Josh McDowell's
"Evidence That Demands A Verdict"
10. A Verdict That Demands Evidence
9. Evidence That Demands A Better Lawyer
8. Evidence That Not Nearly Enough Money Is Being Spent On
Education In This Country
7. Evidence That Had The Jury Rolling Their Eyes In Disbelief
6. Evidence That Sucks (formerly Evidence That Wouldn't Fool
Beavis And Butthead, Let Alone A Thinking
Person)
5. Josh McDowell's Exhaustive Handbook Of Logical Fallacies, With
Many Examples
4. Evidence That Would Get Your Butt Thrown In Jail On A
"Contempt Of Court" Charge.
3. Evidence That People Really Will Believe Anything They See In
Print
2. Evidence That Josh McDowell Is Really An Atheist Who Is Trying
To Make All Christians Look Like Morons
And the number one more accurate name for Josh McDowell's
Evidence That Demands A Verdict is...
[drumroll]
1. Evidence That Demands A Verdict, But Can't Even Justify A
Search Warrant
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Next...
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: [1/3] Evidence
|Date: 24 Jan 96 10:49:23
EID:ce77 20385620
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 3106d963
>>> Part 1 of 3...
Hi Andrew...
On 21 Jan 96 00:52:50, Andrew Masten penned the following to Katherine
Wintersnight
re: Viability
AM> If in general your interested in findings that support the
AM> Bible, go to any Christian bookstore and get a copy of Evidence that
AM> Demands a Verdict. Written by Josh McDowell. This man is a lawyer who
AM> originally set out to write a book to debunk Christianity. But was
AM> instead compelled to write in favor of it.
McDowell is a goof of the first water. Try this essay on for
size!
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O \
A Verdict That Defies the "Evidence"
By Bernard Katz
Copyright 1982 by The American Rationalist
The fundamentalist Christians have once again resurrected
themselves. like their Savior, to attack evolution and science,
sexuality and permissiveness. and whatever else they deem that
does not square with their viewpoint. To propagandise their
beliefs, they have built a vast communications network which
includes books, pamphlets, magazines, newspapers, and radio and
television stations, as well as the most sophisticated techniques
for collecting the necessary money to fuel these apologetic arms.
One of the many books used to buttress their Christian
apologetics is a compilation by Josh McDowell. His first volume
is titled Evidence that Demands a Verdict, published by the
Campus Crusade for Christ in 1972. Since it had gone through
fourteen printings by 1977 alone, it is important that its
"evidence" or arguments be closely analysed. I shall scrutinize
parts of chapter 11, "Prophecy Fulfilled in History," pages
277-333. This deals with the whole idea of prophecy as well as
how twelve specific ones were actually fulfilled and for this
reason constitute "one of the great proofs that there is a living
God behind the Bible and history" (p. VIII).
To McDowell, a "prophet is someone who tells God's will and the
future to the people as divine inspiration leads" (p. 278). It
follows that the fulfilling of these prophecies "is not only a
demonstration of God's power, but also of His answer to man's
prayers and needs" (p. 279).
Under the section on "Tests of a Prophet" (pp. 279-80), McDowell,
in interpreting chapter 13 in Deuteronomy, concludes: "If a
prophet presented fulfilled predictive prophecy, yet claimed a
theology out of keeping with the norm set down by Moses, the
people had a false prophet" (p. 280). This statement alone, I
should think, is enough to condemn the Christian religion
outright, for there is much in the books of Moses which
contravenes Christian theology. That is the reason why the
crucifixion of Jesus on the cross was such a scandal (Galatians
3:13). For the Mosaic law laid down in Deut. 21:22-3 declares:
"And if a man committed a crime punishable by death and he is put
to death, and you hang him on a tree... for a hanged man is
accursed by God.. ." Not only did Paul have to gather all of his
powers of sophistry to twist the ignomy of Jesus' death on a
cross (or tree) from one of great embarrassment to one of a
positive good, but Christians today are still struggling with
this thorny problem.
One of the many dishonest techniques McDowell uses are sins of
omission." This is what I mean. He has just told us that the test
of a true prophet is found in Deuteronomy 13. But he doesn't tell
you to read further on, especially Deut. 18:21-22. For here is
another test to distinguish the true prophet from the false. To
the question "How do we know the word which the Lord has not
spoken?" the Scripture answers: 'when a prophet speaks in the
name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true,
that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has
spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." And
just two verses before this, we find that the punishment for such
presumptuousness is: ". . . that same prophet shall die." Since
it can be proven that many of Jesus' prophecies were not
fulfilled, and I shall do so later on with one of them, then it
follows that Jesus was rightfully executed.
In his next section, McDowell tries to anticipate a major
objection by critics of predictive prophecy. He says: "As far as
the question of dating prophecies goes, many people will attack
predictive prophecy from the standpoint of post-dating, that is
placing the prophecy after the event of the fulfillment rather
than before. Unfortunately for the critic, these prophets make
their prophecies very clear-the tenses are very obvious" (p.
280-1).
Unfortunately for McDowell, the dates he accepts for the various
prophetic books don't all hold up. For example, he dates the book
of Daniel at 605-538 BC (p. 281). This is clearly false according
to the prestigious Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible, edited by
James Hastings and revised by two top Protestant scholars H. H.
Rowley and F. C. Grant.
In the article on the book of Daniel, p. 200, we discover:"...
The relations between Syria and Egypt, from the 4th to the 2nd
centuries BC are described with a fulness of detail. . . the
events from 323 to 175 BC occupy 16 versus; those from 175 to 164
BC take up 25; at verse 34 the lines become less definite,
because this is the point at which the book was written; at verse
40 prediction begins, and the language no longer corresponds with
the facts of history. There can be little doubt that Daniel
appeared about 164 BC"
Further on in the article we are told that: "The theological
features are what might be expected in the 2nd century BC"
So much for McDowell's uncritical acceptance of the date of
605-538 BC for the book of Daniel and his concluding assurance
that the Bible contains no post-dated prophecies!
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: [2/3] Evidence
|Date: 24 Jan 96 10:49:24
EID:0d72 20385620
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 3106d964
>>> Part 2 of 3...
Or take the date McDowell says the Jews who lived in Egypt
translated the Bible into Greek and his conclusions regarding the
prophetic books based on that date: "All of the Old Testament
prophets were translated into Greek in the Greek Septuagint by
about 280 BC Therefore, we can assume that all of the prophets
(including Joel and Obadiah) were written before this time" (p.
281). This is simply not so according to another highly reputable
source, the Abingdon Bible Commentary, edited by F. C. Eiselin,
E. Lewis, and D. G. Downey. In the chapter "The Transmission of
the Old Testament," pp. 103-4, we are given this information
about the Septuagint: "The books were translated at different
times by men unequally prepared for the task, the whole process
extending over a period of approximately two hundred years, from
about 250 to 50 BC" Notice that where McDowell says that the
cut-off date for the Greek translation is about 280 BC, Professor
I. M. Price, author of the Abingdon article, tells us that that
is when the translations were actually started!
In regard to the dating of Ezekiel, which has been the subject of
much controversy, McDowell uses as a witness the famous
archeologist W. F. Albright who, according to McDowell, stated
this in his The Old Testament and Archeology:".. this critical
attitude [i.e., to the dating of Ezekiel] is not justified in the
least, and to his way of thinking [i.e., Albright's], there seems
to be every reason for going back to a more conservative
attitude."
This statement, unfortunately for McDowell' a case, is
contradicted by the very same Albright, who says in his From the
Stone Age to Christianity, p. 326: .... . it is clear, however,
that the manuscript tradition [i.e., of Ezekiel] must have been
very corrupt, since the present massoretic text is full of
doublets and conflate readings, many of which were not yet
incorporated in the recension used by the Greek translators of
the second century BC" Since McDowell places the book of Ezekiel
at 592-570 BC, we have caught this apologist through his own
witness!
That last major criticism regarding McDowell's assumptions
concerns his statement which has already been quoted but bears
repetition because of its importance: "Unfortunately for the
critic, these prophets make their prophecies very clear- the
tenses are very obvious" (underlining mine).
But, as the following citation will show, this is not true. One
of the specific predictions taken up by McDowell to prove his
case is that of the prophet Nahum's prophecy about the
destruction of Nineveh. Here is what Hastings' Dictionary of the
Bible says on page 686 in its article on Nahum:
"Did Nahum prophecy before, during, or after the faIl of
Nineveh? Did he predict its fall, or only describe it after
the event? Scholars are divided on the answer to these
questions. Some of the verses use the Hebrew imperfect, and
seem to point to the future, such as 2:13; 3:5-7, 11, 15.
Other verses are so vivid and realistic in their description
of the attack on the city and its downfall that they appear
to have been written after Nineveh's capture, such as 2:1,
3-10; 3:1-4, 12 f., 18 f. Under the principles of Hebrew
syntax, the imperfect verbs may be translated by the English
present tense. It is to be considered as possible that Nahum
began to write, or to proclaim his message orally, before or
during the siege of Nineveh and completed it after the
successful capture. The last two verses.. appear to look
backward rather than forward" (underlining mine).
I believe this citation refutes McDowell's claim that "the tenses
are very obvious," as well as his declaration that there are no
post-datings in the writings of the prophets!
It should also be brought to the reader's attention that McDowell
has committed another "sin of omission" in his presentation of
the destruction of Nineveh, and that is that such a prophecy was
revoked in the book of Jonah. Here we find Jonah complaining to
God because God had destroyed the plant which was shading the
prophet. So God rebuked Jonah saying: "You have had pity for the
gourd, for which you have not labored nor made it grow, which
came up in a night, and perished in a night; and should not I
have pity on Nineveh, that great city..." (Jonah 4:10-11).
That the prediction of Nahum was annulled by the later book of
Jonah is proven by the dates in which the two books were written.
Nahum's is dated around 612 BC whereas Jonah's falls between 400
and 200 BC By these "sins of omission" McDowell perpetuates the
great evil of dishonesty.
So much for McDowell's prologue. Let's scrutinize some of the
specific prophecies he uses for "Christian evidences." He starts
off with those concerning the ancient city of Tyre because the
prophecies about its destruction are so easily proven. McDowell
refers to chapter 26:8 of Ezekiel which predicts that
"Nebuchadnezzar will destroy the mainland city of Tyre."
To avoid confusion and to add precision to this prediction, it
should be pointed out that Tyre consisted of a mother-city
located on an island off the east coast of Palestine and a
trading colony situated across from it on the mainland. McDowell
assumes that the prediction applies to that part of Tyre located
on the mainland because on page 281 he says: "The mainland city
of Tyre was destroyed in 573... but the city of Tyre on the
island remained a powerful city for several hundred years." (If
only part of the city were destroyed, how can the prediction be
true?)
But there are two further objections. One is that McDowell has
actually misread the Scripture! The actual biblical passage, and
McDowell gives it correctly on page 285 is: "He (i.e., Yahweh)
will slay,, your daughters on the mainland with a sword... Now
McDowell thinks this refers to the main or "mother" city of Tyre.
But he's got his P's and Q's backwards! The metropolis of Tyre
was actually on the island fortress and the so-called mainland
city was what we would today call a suburb. How do we know?
Because the text tells us so. It says: "He will slay your
daughters on the mainland..." (underlining mine). All ancient
cities which sent out colonies designated them as either "sons"
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: [3/3] Evidence
|Date: 24 Jan 96 10:49:25
EID:8c70 20385620
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>>> Part 3 of 3...
or "daughters," depending on whether the inhabitants were
kin-folk or simply allies. In this case the Tyranians on the
mainland were allies and so were labelled "daughters." Therefore
the prediction of Ezekiel means the opposite of what McDowell
thinks!
The second objection is much more serious, and is once again due
to McDowell's 'sins of omission." To see that Ezekiel's prophecy
did not come true, all one has to do is to read two chapters
further on, to Ezekiel 29:17-20. Here he will be shocked, if he's
a Christian in the mold as McDowell, to find that Ezekiel admits
that he was wrong in this prediction; that Nebuchadnezzar never
"got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor that he had
performed against it. Therefore says the Lord God... I will give
the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar." In other words, after
Ezekiel admits he was in error, he says that the Lord will
recompense the king of Babylon with Egypt for his troubles
against Tyre! Why doesn't McDowell point this out? Because his
best evidence of a fulfilled prophecy would, naturally, explode
his whole argument. After all, selectivity is the basis of
Christian apologetics!
There is not space to demolish each of McDowell's examples on
which his Christian "evidence" is based. I simply picked his best
shot. Yet I want to investigate briefly one more which I had
earlier promised to do. This deals with a so-called prophetic
fulfillment from the New Testament by Jesus (p. 321).
According to chapter 11 in the gospel according to Matthew, Jesus
(that paragon of loving kindness) pronounced the judgment of
destruction on four cities-Capernaum, Chorazin, Bethsaida, and
Tiberias-for not believing in his gospel.
Now McDowell states: "Three of these cities have perished. Only
the last named is standing today" (p. 321). If Tiberias has never
been destroyed, how could Jesus' prophecy of four cities
destroyed be considered true? Wouldn't you conclude that McDowell
has blown himself up on his own bomb? Now to the remarks
contained in McDowell's conclusion. He states: "What seemed to be
a great blow to the Christian faith, the Moslem invasion of the
Holy Land and the eventual military failure of the Crusades, is
in reality a great victory for the Christian. The Moslems
catalyzed the final sealing of many prophecies. How many
condemned cities in this study alone fell during or directly
because of the Crusades and Moslem invasions? It is rather
ironical that the apparent enemy of Christianity is, after closer
study, the principal pawn used by the Lord to complete his
purpose in the Church Age" (p. 332).
Try convincing a Moslem with that kind of sophistry! Just as the
fall of Jerusalem to the Romans was proof to the newly formed
Christian groups that God had abandoned his people the Jews and
had accepted in their place the "New Israel" of pagans, so the
Moslems interpreted their victories over the Christians as the
ascendency of Allah over the deity of their enemies.
There is another important objection: the predictive prophecies
were not for the far distant future, hundreds of years after the
oracle was proclaimed. If the people addressed by the prophet had
to wait beyond their lifetime for its fulfillment, what good was
such an oracle to them?
Here is what The Abingdon Bible Commentary says in the chapter on
"The Prophetic Literature," page 152: "Though prediction is not
of the essence of prophecy, the prophets were as vitally
interested in the future as they were in the present. . . Their
predictions bore mainly on the immediate future. While in details
they might be vague, and occasion ally mistaken..." (underlining
mine). You must admit that the appraisal given by the Christian
scholars in the Abingdon Commentary are much closer to the truth
than McDowell.
As has been frequently pointed out, McDowell commits "sins of
omission." Some of what McDowelI should have included if he
really were telling the truth can be found in the new and
prestigious Encyclopedia Judaica 's article "Prophets and
Prophecy," vol. 13, p. 1167: "Furthermore, several occasions are
specifically recorded in which an oracle delivered by an
acknowledged true prophet did not materialize in the manner in
which he predicted-even within his own lifetime! Only a few
examples of unfulfilled prophecies need be cited: Jeremiah
predicted an ignominious end for King Jehoiakim (Jer. 22:19); yet
II Kings 24:6 clearly belies this oracle. Ezekiel predicted the
destruction of Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar (26:7-14), but later
acknowledged that the king's siege of the city was unsuccessful
(29:17-20). Both Haggai's (2:21-23) and Zechariah's (4:6-7)
glorious anticipation and designs for Zerubbabel never
materialized."
As you can see, there is no contest between this passage of
intellectual honesty and McDowell's mendacity! His dishonesty
undermines the hard won achievements and credibility of scholars
in his own field and sows confusion and distrust among the
unsophisticated.
The only conclusion, I firmly believe, which one can come to is
that McDowell has based his so-called fulfilled prophecies on
ersatz proofs and that his is "a verdict that defies the
evidence!"
_ _ _O_/_ _C_u_t_ _H_e_r_e_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
O \
... Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an idiot.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: All
|Sub: For your info...
|Date: 24 Jan 96 22:24:39
EID:6af7 2038b300
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 7f94cf01
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Date: 22 Jan 96 23:42:48 Public
From: christopher baker
To: All
Subject: Christian Coalition Numbers
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From: Charles Sumner
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AMERICANS UNITED FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 3, 1996
Contact: Joseph Conn or Rob Boston
(202) 466-3234
CHRISTIAN COALITION GROSSLY EXAGGERATES ITS MEMBERSHIP;
DUES-PAYING MEMBERS ACTUALLY DROPPED IN 1995, MAGAZINE REPORTS
Ralph Reed, call your office: Over 1.3 million Christian Coalition
members are missing!
According to a report in Church & State magazine, dues-paying Christian
Coalition members are far fewer in number than claimed by the organization,
and the group's membership actually dropped dramatically in 1995.
The January Church & State reports that paid membership in the Christian
Coalition fell from 353,703 in September 1994 to 310,296 in September 1995.
The watchdog magazine said its information comes from the Christian
Coalition's own publication, the Christian American. The U.S. Postal Service
requires all publications that are mailed at the second-class postage rate
to
publish subscription and sales information each year.
The Christian American's officially reported circulation figures do not
square with claims made by the Christian Coalition in its press releases
and
other public statements. In those publicity efforts, the organization has
claimed that its membership increased from 1.2 million in 1994 to 1.7 million
in 1995.
The higher figures, however, appear to be bogus. The Christian American
is sent to anyone who contributes as little as $15 a year. If the Christian
Coalition currently has 1.7 million "members," more than 1.3 million have
apparently not paid their dues and are not receiving the organization's
flagship publication.
Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of
Church and State, charged that the Christian Coalition is grossly inflating
its actual membership in order to increase its political influence and appear
to be a growing movement.
"Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition has set a well-established pattern
of deception in many of its activities," said Lynn. "Wildly inflating its
membership figures is just part of that deplorable practice.
"There's no doubt that the Christian Coalition is a powerful force in the
Republican Party and American politics generally," Lynn continued. "But
it has
achieved that power in part by casting aside the truth."
Church & State is the monthly magazine of Americans United for Separation
of Church and State. Founded in 1947, Americans United is a Washington,
D.C.-based organization devoted to the preservation of religious liberty.
This press release may be distributed only in its entirety and may not be
edited or altered in form or content. Please contact Americans United for
Separation of Church and State at (202) 466-3234 for further information.
AmerUnited@aol.com; sumner@rochgte.fidonet.org
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+ Origin: Rights On!-A_THEIST Echo Mod/Host-Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)
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|From: JIm Staal
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Duh...let's wait a month...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 03:55:07
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-=> Quoting Coridon Henshaw to Jim Staal <=-
LB>> he acted as though he had no idea what anyone was talking about
LB>> -- it wasn't until his own posted was regurgitated that he
LB>> suddenly remembered his own father had been ill.
JS>> No, I just didn't recall having mentioned it to any one here...
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
LB> I think half his trouble is that you've never let him
LB> sink in the mire of his own creation, and he's never really had his
LB> hand slapped for the sewage he puts out, like above.
CH> Nah...he lived with my parents for 29 years or so. Take that up with
CH> them (though he is going through some tough times with my father in
CH> the hospital, having suffered some serious strokes last Monday) He
CH> has been only married for a year and a couple of months. I only lived
CH> with my parents for 18 years. Been outa there for some 30 now...
Well...duh, Coridon, you certainly came up with this old news about two
weeks after everybody else...Why you always got to call names? Do you
think you are raising yourself staturally in any manner shape or form,
big man?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
CH> Does this refresh your memory, dipshit?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Dan's inellect...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 03:41:18
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
DC> You do your religion real priud, you little peice of slime.
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
How many horses was that, Dan?
Man, you 'better educated' sure have a way with the language...
I also love your eloquence:
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
DC> you stupid twerp.
DC> The only thing not meaningless here, dipdshit, is your fucking
DC> And you are that horses ass, Jimbo.
Ahh...makes you proud, doesn't it, Dan? You are one bright boy. you
can't even spell your expletives properly...
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: The Truth Teller
|To: FSNS Goliath BBS
|Sub: HA!
|Date: 25 Jan 96 03:58:08
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-=> Quoting FSNS Goliath BBS to All <=-
FGB> 3.3 Q: What kind of behavior is alowed here?
FGB> A: Most anything, including flames. One thing that will get
FGB> you booted is modification of other people's quotes. If
FGB> somebody says fuck and you quote them and change 'fuck' to
FGB> 'f***' or some other variation, you will be clobbered. Check
FGB> the rules (posted on an ad-hoc basis by the moderator) for
FGB> more information.
Unless you name is Rice in which case you have the right to alter posts
to your heart's content without any measure of censure taken against
you.
FGB> 3.4 Q: Are "flames" allowed?
FGB> A: Flames are EXPECTED. You will be treated with respect and
FGB> courtesy if you extend it.
Speak for yourself, machine. This is a lie!
FGB> The most valuable contributors,
FGB> who provide references to what they say, are very seldom
FGB> flamed -- if you don't like flames, stick to posting what you
FGB> know or can validate.
Only don't bother with references from the Bible. Only secular
philosophers will be respected. Theories and outright lies are welcomed
with respect as well, but don't you dare quote scripture if you value
yourself in any way.
FGB> 3.5 Q: Why is the phrases "You seem bitter" and "My, you're so full
FGB> of anger" so often used by religionists in HolySmoke?
FGB> A: These phrases are often used as replies to excessively
FGB> abrasive arguments by an agnostic or atheist that has
FGB> demonstrated the religionist's pet assertions false; the
FGB> religionist resorts to eliciting an emotional response
FGB> instead of addressing the topic at hand.
Another outright lie. These phrases are most often used in reply to
repeated personal assaults on the part of bitter atheist/pagans who
have no hope in life and therefore chose to abuse the intellect of
believers.
FGB> A: You may be missing the point. The people who are ridiculed
FGB> (as it were) are not those who profess a simple belief in a
FGB> creator; they are those who insist their beliefs are correct
FGB> and we MUST ALL bow down before GOD before we all roast in
FGB> Hell.
Another lie. It matters not one way or another. Say you believe, count
on being ridiculed. Even if you don't expect your antagonist to believe
(and say so) you still are a mindless automaton in their eyes and
mouth.
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:24:00
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-=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to Steve Wallis <=-
JH>> Have any evidence of either?
SW> Read your Bible for proof of God. Open your eyes, breath a
SW> breath air. Look in the mirror, examine the world around
SW> you, look at the stars...look at the "Life"...
JH> Groovy... the "tweeting birds" argument.
SW> Open your eyes, breath a breath air.
JH> "breath a breath air" ?
SW> Look in the mirror,
JH> Looks like God needs to brush their hair... no wait, that's me.
JH> God looks like me? Why? Doesn't God have enough problems already?
SW> examine the world around you,
JH> There's the mirror, there's the sink... Yup, I'm in the bathroom.
SW> look at the stars...
JH> Ohmigod! It's full of stars!
SW> look at the "Life"...
JH> How did this breakfast cereal get in my bathroom?
SW> ...Look at your cemetary,
JH>
JH> I don't own a cemetery. I wish I did.
JH> People are just dying to get in them.
SW> look at the sin, look at the wickedness thats widespread,
SW> look at the deceptionin this world.
JH> So much for all the tweeting birds, huh?
JH> Sorry, sentimental clap-trap doesn't count as evidence.
Opinions vary, Let me ask you this then; What would it take to get you
to believe? If the only way your gonna believe is through "scientific
evidence" (so called anyway), then you have let the devil cheat you out
of your right to salvation.
Have a good day J.j. and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Judgement
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:28:01
EID:ed3d 20390b80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31076de3
-=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to Steve Wallis <=-
SW> May God remove the camaflouge and equip you with the
SW> knowledge of warfare. In Christ Jesus's name I pray.
JH> Fight, kill and mutilate for JESUS!
JH> YAY! YAY! YAY!
In the Bible it states "Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war in
the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty
through God, to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations,
and ever high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. And
bringing into captivity every thought to the obediance of Christ."
God loves you J.j. take care and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:32:02
EID:21f7 20390c00
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31076de4
-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Steve Wallis <=-
-=> So Anyway, Steve Wallis turned to Dave Ray and babbled about <=-
=-> A LITTLE HELP FROM SP <=-
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
CM> On Tuesday, January 9th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> I've been to many "revivals" in my life. At every one, they asked
Gt> for money. I'm not judging on just one, but on many.
CM> Gee, if your child asks for a candybar, do you always give 'em one?
CM> Same thing...
DR> Maybe in your simplified mind.
DR> But you can bet the preacher will have dinner with the person who
DR> turns in an envelope with $1,000 instead of someone who puts $10 in
DR> the envelope.
SW> Why would you say that? Do you know every single preacher? Not every
SW> one is money hungry. If they ask for a contribution, its probally
SW> becuase they need it.
DR> True, most mean well. But if the leaders of the church want to get
DR> rid of this image, they need to police themselves. Doctors do it, cops
DR> do it, even Congress does it with enough public pressure.
Well, its part of Christianity. Without the tithes and support from the
congregation of believers, there wouldnt be churches. If you believe in
something, why not support it? I dont know where you stand in regards
to Christianity, but even if your not a Christian and you here of a local
mission in your area to help feed the homeless or something like that,
wouldnt you help out if you could?
Take care guy, and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ?
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:38:03
EID:df9d 20390cc0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31076de5
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Steve Wallis <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Steve Wallis mumbled "?"
DC>Your god is perfect, is he not? How can a perfect being not
DC>create something perfect?
SW> God created everthing in perfection and pure Holiness. However, He
PS> A claim. Substantiate it without the Bible, s'il vous plait.
My knowledge comes from the Word of God. I am not required to prove
anything to you. You have a mind and the ability to choose and believe
what you will. You can take God at His Word, or you can go in circles
looking for answers somewhere else. Its your choice Preston.
SW> created angels and mankind with the ability to choose whether to to
SW> good or evil. It's called freewill.
PS> Couldn't an omnipotent being have found a way to give us free will
PS> without letting us choose evil?
Nope. If God would have denied us our right to choose good or evil, it
wouldnt be a freewill and He would have infringed on our rights and
freedoms. God didnt want us to be robots, He created so we could choose
to follow Him and love Him out of our own free will.
SW> It says in John 3:3 "Eccept a man be born again, he cannot see the
SW> kingdom of God."
PS> A damned shame about all of those first century Peruvians and Chinese.
PS> They went to hell without ever getting a chance to hear about your
PS> god.
If they never had a chance to hear about Christ. Then when happens to them
is up to God. God is fair and just. He will judge everyone accourding to
what they know and have done. To him who has more, more will be required.
And to him who has little, less will be required.
SW> It's our choice to choose. We can choose to go to heaven or we can
SW> choose to go to hell. It boils down on our freewill.
PS> This is the same choice that a man confronted by a pistol-waving
PS> lunatic who wants his money has.
The difference is, your the only one holding the gun to your head. God
gave us the way out of this mess, when Jesus Christ died for us. God
loves us and doesnt want anyone to perish. The lake of fire was only meant
for the devil and his angels-not for man. God gave us the way out, but
we must do our part to recieve the gift that God gave us.
SW> God choose to send His Son to this world to pay the price for our
SW> sinfullness. But, we must excercise our freewill and choose whether
or
SW> not we accept the gift that God gave us or not. It boils down to our
SW> choice.
PS> Surely an allegedly omnibenevolent and omnipotent god could have found
PS> a better way to do this.
God could have forced you to accept Him, but what good would that do? Had
he done that, He would have infringed on your freewill. God is Holy and
a gentleman. He will not force Himself on you. If you dont want the gift
God gave you-its your choice, its still your right to recieve it. But
no ones gonna force it on you.
All we have to do to recieve the gift God gave us, is ask Christ to be Lord
and Saviour in our life. If we accept Christ as our personal Saviour then
we have confidence that we have been adopted as sons/daughters of God. If
we dont, then we are no better then what we were before.
Take it easy Preston, and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:53:04
EID:6c88 20390ea0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31076de6
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Steve Wallis <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Steve Wallis mumbled "Christian Miller's
PS> Christianity"
JH> Sex In Public Places 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> Romance Echo 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> CD/Book/Movie Review 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> Sexual Stories 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> Sexual Fantasies 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> CatNet BBS Ads 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Sexual Advice 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> 3 or Moresomes 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> S & M and B & D 0 0 0 . .
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JH> Adult Humor 0 0 1 . . 454.
JH> Married, Will Cheat 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> At The Bar 0 0 0 . .
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JH> CatNet SysOps Echo 0 0 0 . .
.
JH> Sex Toys 0 0 0 . .
.
PS>
JH> Totals: 248 248 2625 314856. 314856. 3587286.
JH> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but their very
JH> presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly on just what sort
JH> of character Mr. Miller actually is.
SW> Are you an ordained judge J.J.? Do you make a charge against Mr
SW> Miller? Or do you think you can mock Christ with your ridicule? It
PS> Who is mocking Christ? There's no profit in mocking the dead. However,
PS> when someone parades about a banner of spirituality and Christianity,
PS> he'd better damned well be able to support his claim by *acting* like
PS> it. Do those echoes above reflect a Christian morality?
True, there is no point in mocking the dead. But Christ is Alive and doing
well guy. For one thing, how do you know he was preaching against it and
hence had the echo's on it at one time? Im not saying this is the case
but why draw conclusions. They seem to be cut anyway. Im not gonna justify
it or condemn it-I am not the judge. And neither are you nor J.j. Is
Christian better than everyone? Or are you better than Christian? No. We
are all the same. As Christians we try to live in a way that is in
accourdance with the Word of God. It cant be done in mans strength, only
in the power of Christ. For instance, It say's in the Bible not to swear,
I myself swear quite abit. Does this mean im not a Christian? No. It simply
means that in my own strength, I can do nothing about it. I can try
harder and bite my tongue every time I swear, but its gonna continue until
I stop swearing by the power of Christ. Sin is all the same guy. There isnt
certain sins that are greater than others-there's no such thing as the
"little white lie". Its either sinful or its not. But who's to go to court
against Christian? As if none of you sin. Like it say's in the Bible,
he who is without sin, let him throw the first rock.
I see no reason to continue this particular thread against Christian. So,
why not drop the case and never mind about pulling the mote out of his
eye when you have a beem in your own. Im not perfect, and neither is anyone
else here in this echo. We are the same Preston.
Take care and Godbless..,
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:08:05
EID:0aa2 20391100
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31076de7
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Steve Wallis <=-
LB> Lynda and Steve were killing time yakking about COINCIDENCE SEVEN:
GR> But there is going to come a day when dad won't be there to solve the
GR> problems. As a parent I can do nothing less than prepare him for that
GR> day, and that means teaching him how to solve his own problems. It
GR> hurts to see him fail, it hurts to see him get frustrated, but it is
GR> worth that look on his face when he dusts himself off, with direction
GR> of course, and solves the problems.
GR> It isn't the easy way, but it is the correct way.
LB> George -- you just described perfectly the Christian concept of why
LB> God lets us make harmful mistakes (THE question flying around here
LB> recently). Do you feel you are a bad or neglectful parent when you
let
LB> your child fail? Do you get off on watching him suffer, or does it
LB> bother you as much as it bothers him?
SW> Lynda, what kind of mindframe to you have? From reading the above,
SW> George replied what any loving father would have said in bringing up
SW> ones son to maturity and adulthood. And then you replied with your
SW> idle two bit comment on "Do you get off on watching him suffer?" Why
SW> would you write a sick thing like that? May God provide you with wisdom
SW> and understanding.
LB> Steve, how do I put this gently? You're an idiot! You completely
LB> missed the point, you're boxing at shadows, and you win the prize for
LB> being the only person in this whole echo who didn't understand what
I
LB> said. Now, go sit in the corner and think about it for a couple of
LB> hours -- you're going to smack yourself silly when you finally figure
LB> out what I was referencing there. Hint -- once you get it, you'll find
LB> out you agree with the point I made.
Well Lynda, the way I interpreted it was a knock against him for the way
he chose to bring up his son. If you meant it another way then I apologize
for what I wrote. George spoke with maturity and knowledge and it seemed
you flamed him for that. I have read it over a few times and still cant
see
what you said you were saying but im just gonna leave it at that. Have
a good one and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:11:18
EID:90e7 20393160
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 d5c50d54
REPLY: 1:372/57@fidonet.org 95a8bb34
On (08 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Marilyn Burge...
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Don Martin <=-
MB> We've sure gotten the mileage out of my word for the week, haven't
MB> we?
JB> Only another month and a half and 85 posts per day before Maria
JB> understands (or says she does) just where she screwed up.
And, as usual, I'm holding my breath waiting for the little
lightbulb to go on over her head.
... Guns don't kill. Hyper-velocity projectiles do.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: 325
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:12:24
EID:18e6 20393180
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 5085def3
REPLY: 1:372/57@fidonet.org 4d3e5af2
On (09 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Marilyn Burge...
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Judith Bandsma <=-
MB> I think she's confusing whether it has tax-exempt status with
MB> the IRS and "legal."
JB> I saw later that she is posting from Canada...whole different
JB> ball of gods.
JB> As to myself, I REALLY want Quaker put on my papers. That
JB> way, if something happens to me, and someone feels the need
JB> to call in any kind of religious prop, I won't have to listen
JB> to all the prayers, exhortations, etc. I'll have someone
JB> sitting there without saying a word.
Years ago I had a friend (now dead) who had had a hysterectomy
years before I knew her. Her doctor explained to her exactly what
would happen in surgery, how she'd feel afterwards, etc., leaving
her in an it's-no-big-deal frame of mind prior to the big day. She
was Catholic, but, as is more traditionally the case with blacks,
her mother was a pentecostal of some kind. Louise was in her bed
in the hospital the night before the grand opening, when in walks
her mother with an entourage from her church. They started in
praying to gawd in the inimitable manner of all pentecostals, and,
more particularly, as only black pentecostals can do. "Oh lawd,
spare this child of yours from the valley of death through which
she will walk in the morning. Guide the surgeon's hand and lead
her safely through this ordeal" etc. By the time her mother,
friends in tow behind her, left the room, Louise was convinced her
doctor had lied to her about the seriousness of the operation and
her chances for coming through it, and she was terrified.
... Would it not be better to grow up rather than born again?
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HI
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:18:52
EID:4719 20393240
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 7e80ae7a
On (24 Jan 96) Annette Spence wrote to Marilyn Burge...
MB> AS> In my opinion, evil is a choice not a thing to be invented.
AS> MB>
MB> Then how come Jehovah, in the first person, yet, bragged about
MB> having created it (in Isaiah)?
AS> I dunno...can you give me a passage so I can go look it up?
Are you trying to tell me that you've come on here, thinking
you can preach to the unwashed, and you don't even own a
concordance? You'd better buckle up. It's going to be a
rough ride.
Read the book of Isaiah. That's the only clue you get from me.
... Belief is acceptance without question. Thinking requires effort.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub: AL SCHRODINGER AND HIS PU
|Date: 24 Jan 96 19:52:00
EID:cad4 20389e80
SQ> He has MINE. He's not telling me how empty I am or how, if I kill
SQ> myself, I'm violating someone's rights. He just needs to remember the
SQ> BBS password that he forgot today (Hi, Al! I saw you. :).
I sure did. I dialed it, and stared...all my passwords fall in a certain
pattern, and for the life of me I couldn't remember where it fell in the
pattern.
... Not allowed? My dear fellow, I'm allowed everywhere. - Doctor Who
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 24 Jan 96 20:48:00
EID:7640 2038a600
AS> Let's hope we can get one of those things working before there is an
AS> enviormental collapse from overpopulation. It's a race against time.
DW> Don't let McCullough hear you say that. He'll regale you with the
DW> Wonders of Windmills.
That's okay. I'm all for using energy more efficiently and all that, but
I'm not a Luddite.
DW> Seriously, the government has its head up its ass where fusion
DW> research is concerned. They throw gobs of money at designs that
DW> simply do not work (they produce a sustained fusion reaction, but it
DW> takes more energy to contain the plasma than the reaction produces),
DW> while almost totally ignoring other designs that do show some promise.
DW> The Russian Tokamak is a good example. It uses a transformer core to
DW> "bend" the field lines to help contain the reaction, but the core gets
DW> saturated rather quickly and the whole thing has to shut down.
DW> In the stellarator, the same "bending" is accomplished by wrapping
DW> conductors around the surface of the donut that contains the plasma.
DW> These conductors do not get saturated, so the reaction is sustainable.
DW> When the feds built a stellarator, though, they couldn't decide
DW> whether it would be better to have 4 or 6 wires. They decided to build
DW> a hybrid monster that had 4 conductors around one side and six around
DW> the other side. What happened, you ask? The plasma shot out the
DW> junction between the two sides. Bureaucracies can fuck *anything* up.
Oy vey. Where is Thomas Edison when we need him? Scientific discovery by
committee. No WONDER we haven't gotten very far in forty-five years.
... Press any key to continue or any other key to give up.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: FUNDAMENTALIST ARE IN
|Date: 24 Jan 96 21:15:00
EID:09af 2038a9e0
JP> The NT Christ doesn't teach that His people are ruled by a man in
JP> Rome.
But he instructed Peter, specifically, to "feed my lambs", to take care
of
Jesus' followers. And whose ring does the Pope have? No, I don't agree on
the primacy of the Pope, either. Just as I do not believe in the
DEMONIZATION of the Pope.
JP> If you believe the papacy is genuine,
JP> If you believe the papacy is really all it claims to be,
JP> then you should be a Roman Catholic
JP> and you should confess being a Roman Catholic.
But I do not admit to any of those "beliefs". Indeed it is CONTRARY to my
beliefs. But that doesn't mean I have to hate the guy or his followers.
The Dalai Lama of Tibetian buddhism, is an interesting, erudite man (his
FREEDOM IN EXILE is fascinating) and I can admire him without admitting
any spiritual superiority of his. Same with the Pope.
JP> And yes, the label "Christian" as it is commonly used,
JP> is commonly erroneously used to describe a lot of "apostates."
But Jesus will judge that. Obvious errors you must address, like a person
who uses the Bible to justify hate; other than that...
JP> That is, people who claim to believe in the NT Christ,
JP> yet demonstrate that they are really just man-pleasers
JP> who couldn't care less what the NT Christ teaches.
But Jesus ate with tax collectors, publicans, and sinners. He did not come
to help the spiritually healthy, but the spiritually sick.
JP> As demonstrated by "Christians" who evidently see no problem
JP> with a man in Rome being claimed [and taken seriously by millions
JP> for centuries] to have "FULL, SUPREME, and UNIVERSAL power
JP> over the whole Church."
I can disbelieve that claim yet still respect the individual. Or
DISRESPECT them, as the case may be, as you may remember from my posts
about the pope during World War II.
JP> A papacy supporter is a lie against Christ supporter.
Between 300 to 1500, papacy supporters were all you had, except for the
Greek Orthodox.
... "Nemo exspectat Inquisitionem Hispanicam!" --Montius Pythonius
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 24 Jan 96 21:19:00
EID:ecef 2038aa60
AS> (Gentle smile.) I am.
AS> You are like a mouse on a luxury liner,
AS> in the middle of the pacific, denying there is a boatbuilder.
AS> Thinking that living on such an artificial structure
AS> is "natural" because it's the only thing you know.
JP> Good analogy. WBW, John
Thanks.
... I used to believe in reincarnation, but that was in another life.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:42:00
EID:52a1 20392540
AS> And the weirdest thing of all is how many predictions there
AS> have been about the end of the world and the antichrist.
JP> Proving nothing about my specific prediction.
True. But if a hundred predictions have been proven to fall through, you
can't blame us about being a little skeptical of the hundred-and-first.
JP> Most have been "antichrist." Just not the final "beast."
Possibly.
AS> And the more you predict it...Scripture says
AS> it will come in a time "unlooked for".
AS> The more you predict it, the more sure you make
AS> it that it will NOT happen when you think.
JP> A certain timing of the "rapture" has been proclaimed
JP> on "christian" TV for a couple of decades.
JP> That timing is wrong. Do you know what I am talking about ?
Hal Lindsey's prophecies, that sort of thing?
AS> The important thing is to live every day as if it might
AS> be the last in Time, and the first in Eternity.
JP> The important thing is to heed Christ.
Luke 17:22. "Then He said to His disciples, 'The time is coming when you
will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see
it. Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running
off after them. For the Son of Man in His day will be like the lightning,
which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other." Luke 12:40,
"You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at a time when
you DO NOT EXPECT HIM." Matt 24:36."No one knows about that day or hour,
NOT EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN, NOT EVEN THE SON, but only the Father." I'm
not going to claim knowledge that Jesus HIMSELF admitted He didn't have
here on Earth.
I AM heeding Christ, John.
... "Thence we came forth to see the stars again." -- Dante
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:51:00
EID:973e 20392660
AS>> out of our gourds. You assert that JFK will come back as the
AS>> Antichrist. You do realize that it makes you sound nuttier than a
AS>> jar of Planter's, don't you?
JP> Al, it's all wierd to heathens. WBW, John
DW> Welcome to the club. Pretty soon Jim-bob Billy-Ray Staal is gonna
DW> start accusing you of sucking up.
The depressing thing is, since Fido seems to be eating the posts that are
sent in Jim Staal's direction, he probably never saw those posts I sent
defending Lynda. But yeah, that's a strong possibility.
... Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LUMP
|Sub: RE: JEEZOIDS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:53:00
EID:b231 203926a0
Lu> .......... .......... ......... .......... ....
Lu> ... .......... .......... ......... .......... .....
Lu> ... > ... > .. .. > ... > .. .. > ... ..
Lu> ... .......... .......... ... .......... ...
Lu> .. ... .......... .......... ... .......... ...
Lu> .. ... >> ... .. .. > ... > .. .. >
Lu> ... .. ... .......... .. .. ... .. ..
Lu> ... ..... .......... .. .. ... .. ..
Lu> ... ....
Lu> IS GEORGE RUDZINSKI!
Don't let Asmodeus know.
... The Modem Devil Made Me Do it! Really!!!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ANDREW MASTEN
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:57:00
EID:8e34 20392720
LB> It won't work, J.J. Until they've been consecrated, all you have is
a
LB> large quantity of tasteless wafers, and overpriced ones at that, no
LB> doubt. Stick with Townhouse crackers. :)
AM> Your just a sick man. Why not have a nice hot cup of
AM> pre-biotic soup?
Man?????
Lynda's a lady.
... Last time you knew all the answers, you were wrong...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:01:00
EID:46c2 20392820
LB> WEll, you could try that -- but if you're out to shock anyone who
LB> might worry about it, they won't consider 'em valid. Like I said, J.J.
LB> -- this one won't work. Darned near every altar boy has at one time
or
LB> another snacked on a few wafers. (G)
Yeah, JJ hit a dead nerve on his one. Anyone who considers a priest really
able to consecrate them will know that JJ can't consecrate 'em. For that
matter, my brother's drinking problem started when, as an alter boy, they
had to finish off the rest of the consecrated wine because not a drop can
be wasted after it's consecrated. (In my current church, they use matzoh
crackers and grape juice. Not the same, but doesn't lead to any drinking
problems, either.)
... Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: LEAF ME ALONE.
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:06:00
EID:26d3 203928c0
DC> weren't doing their job. Seems like the students got really upset
DC> as they all decided to leave from their senseis..
ML> To make matters worse, they invaded a library and took pages
ML> from every book by Maurice (a well know author of children's
ML> works). Yep...they took leaves from the Sendak.
DC> Then there were the astronomers that decided they not only
DC> couldn't get the math right, but it was getting too late...
DC> They look leave from their ascendances.
And then there were the literature profs who decided that grammer was too
conventional, and wrote freeform prose, a la James Joyce, without periods,
exclamation points, or conventional sentence structure.
They took leave of their syntax.
... Dr. Jack took his own appendix out. His nurse said "Suture self."
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: PAGANI/WICCA RACISTS?
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:35:00
EID:f04e 20393460
KW> Well..., I don't think that even the mormons can beat us in the
KW> category of high camp ridiculous arguments. You haven't lived
KW> until you've been part of group negotiating out a joint ritual, and
had
KW> one of the priests draw himself up and sneer 'wand wielder'. Or found
KW> yourself totally seriously debating brown vs green vs black for the
KW> north. Or wether black is allowable\acceptable for robes ('they'll
KW> think that we are satanists!' 'So what???') Or if Lorna Doones and
KW> Hi-C are acceptable for the Cakes and Wine. It's odd, but witch wars
KW> can erupt over the silliest things (*sniff!* She uses a drum with a
KW> PLASTIC head!!!).
That's what you GET for having all priests and no laity....
... Chocolate cures all.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: STEVE ROSE
|Sub: PERCEPTION OF THE FUNDY
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:42:00
EID:c9eb 20393540
AS> Sometimes pomposity should be punctured. Sometimes acting like a
AS> juvenile should be jarred, too.
SR> But nothing beats pushing an obnoxious fundy down a flight of stairs
SR> and screaming it was his gawd that made him fall. Sounds great in an
SR> empty stairwell...where the echos of his screams are long and loud.
SR> :)
(Gentle smile.) And if they're in a wheelchair, it will make it even
BETTER, right?
You can certainly try it around ME. I would invite you to. You would
ONLY do it once, I guarentee it.
But of course you're all talk and no action. If you pushed someone down
a flight of stairs, no one would blame God, they'd blame YOU, and you
would be arrested for maliscious assault.
Grow up. That sort of thing is about as "adult" as Asmodeus thinking it
is okay to steal from people he hates.
... I am the inferior of any man whose rights I trample under foot.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: RE: SATANIST
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:00:00
EID:7faa 20393800
As>> I practise the sins in ways that harm no one who does not
As>> deserve it. So if someone has won my anger, and I rip him
As>> off, this is a good thing, for I get some cool shit and
As>> because of his/her loss s/he become hurt just a little.
AS> Congratulations. You have even sunk LOWER in my estimation.
AS> Hard to do.
JH> And that without anyone even accusing him. He just comes out
JH> of the complete blue and brags about being a thief in an
JH> international echo.
Hmmm. I'm trying to think. Aren't you into the second curse phase now? (Of
course, Fidonet seems to be messing up messages. But they seem to be
hitting you more than me. Maybe it's a diversionary tactic? Maybe he's
REALLY concentrating on me...)
JH> That puts him even lower than Don Ward.
JH> VERY VERY HARD to do.
I'd rate him a little ahead of Lammon and Tomkat (remember them?) simply
because he mainly seems callow and self-centered, rather than hate-filled.
Grigor-Scott seems way ahead of him in hate, but much more intelligent.
So he still hasn't reached rock bottom.
Yet.
JH> But, on the bright side of all this: as long as Asomdeus sticks
JH> around no one can accuse me of only harassing Christians.
That's for sure! And I get to join in the general razzing for a change,
since I have little use for the Satanic Bible (which doesn't mean it
wouldn't be interesting to talk to a GENUINE Satanist--i.e., one who
worships Satan as an actual entity---rather than a shallow little hedonist
who calls himself a Satanist.) and those who follow same.
In fact, there has been more general invective against Asmodeus than
most fundies here. When Hector and I agree on a person....that SAYS
something!
... There is nothing more horrifying than stupidity in action.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: SPONG ON THE CREEDS 2
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:06:00
EID:523d 203938c0
HP> And women love a hero. Often literally enough to lead to
HP> reproduction. Anyone familiar with the way natural selection works
HP> (which would seem to let Al off the hook) should be able to figure out
HP> an obvious connection. :-)
AS> You think all women are carbon copies of Lois Lane? A lot of women
AS> feel that heroism is great (as do men) but yet you don't see hordes
of
AS> groupies around a police station or firehouse. Nor do I notice that
AS> policemen or firemen have substantially lower divorce rates than other
AS> men...quite the opposite, in fact. (Ditto for firewomen and
AS> policewomen.)
LB> As do EOD -- a horrifying 80% divorce rate, in fact. Heroism is a
LB> very nice attracter, but it can make the long haul a bit difficult --
LB> most women like to feel reasonably secure that their lifemate won't
LB> wind up in a body bag in the near future.
Right. Notice the stories where women love a dashing hero who consistently
risks his life is usually written by MEN. Dorothy L. Sayers, in her Lord
Peter Wimsey series, had him meet the love of his life (a detective story
writer modeled on Sayers) when she was being tried for murder, had to have
Wimsey save her by finding the real murderer. And then she spent FOUR
NOVELS trying to get the love affair past that initial awkwardness,
because she knew that a true love affair cannot begin with a humiliating
feeling of gratitude. He makes the point over and over, as he consistently
proposes to her, that if they had met any other way, without this crushing
burden of feeling "grateful" that she resented, they would have got along
famously long ago! (He did finally marry her, of course...and during the
honeymoon they fond a corpse. Such are the reality of mystery
stories...)
... Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub: STAAL SHOWS HIS COLORS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:09:00
EID:39fb 20393920
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> On 8 Jan 96 11:18am, Jim Staal wrote to Fredric Rice:
JS> May I suggest 'Blue Wave' for your offline reader? You will no longer
JS> have that problem as it does it for you.
SQ> Bite me! I'm already working on him with Silver Xpress, but
SQ> Fred's not an OLR type of guy.
HUH???? He answers these ON-LINE? Or am I misunderstanding you?
... Wonderful chap, The Doctor. All of them. - Brig. L. Stewart
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ZAYD ALLEBBAN
|Sub: THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:14:00
EID:9b04 203939c0
ZA> David, you're real funny. Since you obviously don't believe in God
ZA> while I do, you stay with your beliefs and I'll stay with mine. I
ZA> haven't mocked your beliefs, so you better not mock mine. I won't
ZA> stand for this blasphemy and if you don't want to carry on a civilized
ZA> discussion, I don't want to hear from you again.
A little clue; and I am a Christian believer, not an Islamic one. In this
echo ALL gods are mocked. If you can't stand the blasphemy, this echo is
NOT for you. It's sort of a giant religious food fight. I like it simply
because everybody is fairly frank, but it's not for the easily offended.
... Forgive many things in others; nothing in yourself.-Ausonius
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MARTIN GOLDBERG
|Sub: THUMB-SUCKING FUNDY
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:24:00
EID:52d8 20393b00
MG> If Al admits to there being almost no life int he universe, he has to
MG> start questioning his god's motives. That'll be a tough one.
Two things; as I said before, a universe this old, and since it is
expanding, this large, is necessary for just ONE civilization to exist.
(Enough time for the higher elements to be generated in the first stars,
explode as supernova, etc.) I hope you are wrong and life is very
prevelent (and by that I mean perhaps one life-bearing world every twenty
or so stars between K and F in the stellar sequence, for instance) but the
fact remains, a universe this big would be NECESSARY for even JUST us to
exist. Again, life spreads. If indeed we are the only, we might be like
the first self-reproducing molecules on the early earth. We'll spread.
Whether you believe in a closed or open universe, it's pretty clear that
the time before the Big Crunch in the first case is WAAAAAAYYYY longer
than the time since the Big Bang. We are still in the early morning of the
cosmic "day". And to an eternal, omnipotent (in the sense of all power is
his) being, what is "wasteful?" So the rest of the universe, if there is
no other life, might be for the sheer beauty and joy of the creation.
I hope not. I hope we have company. I can get along quite well with either
stand. And my theology need be affected by neither.
BTW, Tipler made the observation that most biologists and cosmologists
think intelligent life might be fairly common, most biologists think that
intelligent life depends on so many interlocking variables that they think
it would be pretty rare. Where do you stand?
... If the universe is expanding, why can't I find a parking space?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: TOLERANCE
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:52:00
EID:2b99 20393e80
KW> avoid mother's eyes. However, there was a problem. "Where you aware"
KW> she asked, "that your Mary looks Jewish?"
LOL!!!! ROFL!!!!!!! (Pounding floor).
Gotta lovit. Thanks, Katherine. Best laugh I've had all day.
... I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: WACO JURY FOREMAN COMENTS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 08:12:00
EID:d0d2 20394180
If there's one thing worse than meeting Cthulhu in a dark alley,
it's
DW> meeting the mean, nasty fuck who can manage to *crucify* Cthulhu.
There is a DC Comics hero named the Spectre. A hard-bitten police
lieutnant who got killed by criminals, God gave him powers to stay on
Earth as a ghost until all--not just some, not just the greater part, but
ALL--evil was eliminated from the Earth. He was created in the late
thirties by Jerry Siegal, the guy who created Superman, and the idea if
a
little is good, a lot is BETTER. The Spectre could LITERALLY do anything.
He could grow cosmically huge and throw stars around. He had no
weaknesses, per se. His battles were pretty short, because who could stand
up to him? He has fought numerous Cthulhu look-alikes and ate them for
breakfast, practically. He woudl be published for a while, and then people
would stop buying for lack of suspense (for one thing, how do you kill
someone who's already dead?) but because the idea had some appeal, he
would be brought back...his latest run has lasted a while, mainly because
of some excellent writing by John Ostrander, who realized causing the
Spectre psychological distress was the main way you could attack an
omnipotent being...it's now one of the better comics out there. Spectre
has a "Dirty Harry" mentality and is NOT the sunshiny guy Superman is, and
there was an interesting issue where the Archangel Michael and the Spectre
duked it out in front of the gates of Heaven...the one place Spectre is
not allowed until he "finishes his mission."
... Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat....
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 25 Jan 96 08:35:00
EID:c37f 20394460
FR> Asmodeus
A> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU
a> WRITE OFF-TOPIC to David Worrell <=-
A> AGAIN. NOW FOR MY ANSWER:
as> Ooooohhhh, David, he's having an ABSOLUTE hissy-fit. What a threat!
FR> That's nothing. He "cursed" JJ Hitt -- just like any Christian with
FR> his back to a wall. I asked for one. }:-}
I will ignore the "any Christian with his back to the wall" since you have
publicly admitted not to take your statements seriously. Yeah, JJ have
been talking a LOT about the "curse"--he should have smited one with a
second curse by now. Evidently Fido is eating some of my posts---some
people are seeing them, others aren't---and unfortunately, Asmy is either
ignoring me or not getting my taunts. Since I DO belong to a "white
lighter" religion in his view, I would have been especially interested.
FR> I have to wonder. This "asmodeus" clown is probably 15 or 16 years
FR> old and read Anton LeVey's "Satanic Bible" once and just doesn't have
FR> a clue.
He claims to be eighteen, I think. Certainly he has the MENTALITY of a
fifteen year old (which is when I read the SATANIC BIBLE, hoping for the
Lesser Key of Solomon, with conjurations and stuff, and instead getting
a
tract with is a paen to hedonism.). I'm sorry, anyone who can take such
a
shallow and self-centered and hedonist philosophy as Lavey's seriously
just exposes their own callowness. I would be interested in talking to a
Satanist who actually believes in Satan, but Asmy (like his mentor Lavey)
hasn't a clue.
But he HAS been highly entertaining. And for once I get to razz him with
the best of 'em!!!
Just curious. Never noticed it before, but Steve mentioned something,
and by gum, he seems to be right, given the information at the bottom of
the post...you do this WITHOUT an off-line reader? You do this all
on-line? Or do you perhaps just capture it to the buffer and read it at
your leasure? Just curious.
... Where do people in hell tell each other to go?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 25 Jan 96 08:40:00
EID:0647 20394500
AS> Funny. Fred Rice told me that he had NEVER felt despair.
DW> For one thing, you shouldn't take Fred so seriously.
Yeah. Hopelessly naive. I tend to take people at face value until they
prove otherwise. Then I read a post of his where he admits not to take
what he says seriously. So there is no need to even pay attention to his
taunts, or his "better educated" gibes, because I will never know when I
am speaking to the REAL Fred, or just his put-on persona.
DW> Have you ever considered the fact that his definition of despair might
DW> differ from yours? Most of the sob stories I've heard from Christians
DW> do not fall under my definition of despair.
Don made the same point; I meant despair as the feeling you get when you
are in a hopeless situation, where you can't see any way out. I think a
lot of us have been in that position at one time or another. That doesn't
mean you think LIFE is hopeless, though, just that particular situation.
... Epitaph: So then I says, "How do I know you're the real angel of death
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: APOSTATE
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:14:00
EID:33f7 203949c0
JP> Subject: Epistemology
JP> To: Marilyn Burge From: Lynda Bustilloz Date: 12/12/95 06:03:07
JP> Lynda and Marilyn were killing time yakking about Epistemology: LB>
JP> [-------------] MB> [-------------]
LB> If I was forced to accept the flood, the Garden of Eden,
LB> and yes, the detailsof Jesus's birth or toss the whole thing out,
LB> I too would be forced into the latter stance, because the only way
LB> to believe in the literal truth of those portions would be to
LB> undergo voluntary lobotomy. I am no longer even capable
LB> of faking such a belief, and I'm not going to ask God
LB> to make me stupid to accomplish it.
JP> ----------------------- snip --------------------------
JP> "....voluntary logotomy" ".....stupid"
JP> LB basically declares Bible believers to be brainless.
No; she IS saying that to believe in a literal flood entails, for
instance, God working so many simultaneous miracles to HIDE THE EVIDENCE
of such, that God, if he DID flood the earth literally to the extent
mentioned in the Bible, then He is either LYING in effect by removing all
evidence of it happening...and why would He do that? What compulsion would
be under Him to hide the evidence of such a happening? Who would He be
afraid of? The lack of desposits that would indicate a tremendous flood
in
the geological record has been enumerated many times. Or, contrariwise,
the Garden of Eden story entails, if taken too literally, a creation in
six days and a unbroken human history from that time. Again, that violates
all the evidence we have uncovered. And if you believe an Ussherian time
line, it means that any star we see that is more than six thousand light
years away is a LIE. It's not there, or if it is, we are not seeing the
light from that star, but an image created to represent it.
As you know, from your knowledge of Scripture, God CANNOT lie. And I
think it is the higher blasphemy to say that God is setting up ten
thousand red herrings around the earth DELIBERATELY TO MISLEAD MEN. Nor
do
I believe Satan can have created such, that is the Manichearean
heresy, that Satan is a demiurge with creative powers. I cannot read
either statement too literally without coming up with the idea that God
lies...either there was a flood, and a special onetime creation in six
days and He hid all the evidence, or He is lying about the early parts of
Genesis. That's why I CANNOT read it literally.
However, if I read the Garden of Eden as a metaphor or parable for a
deeper truth God is telling us about the nature of God and Men, or the
Flood as using a tale of a flood (current in Middle Eastern traditions at
the time when it was written down) to explain and prefigure God's eventual
judgement of all mankind...certainly it would be consistent with Jesus,
who I believe was God, and HIS use of parables. Nor does using a story to
tell an eternal truth make the story a lie...anymore than the story of the
Prodigal Son is a lie.
NOW, I do not EXPECT YOU TO AGREE. I do think there is certainly room
for argument here, and respectful disagreement. Certain subjects I think
I
take more literally than Lynda does--certain parts of the nativity,
perhaps even the Resurrection in some respects myself. I certainly take
them more literally than Spong, judging solely by what's quoted here, and
bearing in mind I haven't read as much of him as Lynda or Micheal have.
But that doesn't mean I think Lynda isn't a good Christian. Albert
Schweitzer did not believe that Jesus was a miracleworker, or literally
rose from the dead. He thought Jesus was the best of men, and most
exemplifies the Divine in man. And he then went and spent his life helping
sick African children in Gabon. Do I think he was wrong in his views of
Jesus. Yes. Do I think Schweitzer was a Christian, in that as best as he
understood them, he followed the precepts of Christ? Yes I do. Certainly
he did more to help others than I have ever done. As far as I can judge,
Lynda is a MORE literal Christian than Spong and Schweitzer.
I think ALL of us will be shown to be wrong in some respects in our
opinions about God and Jesus. Which is as it should be; no finite mind can
hold the Infinite. That does not mean we need say "any stand goes". But
we
can disagree without getting rancorous.
JP> She doesn't just disagree with ordinary bible believers.
JP> She publicly holds them in contempt.
She is saying what it would be for HER to accept such; to someone who did
not know as much about astromony, geology, and biology as Lynda, it would
not entail such.
JP> Maybe you can distinguish her attitude from that of a typical
JP> heathen, but I don't see any significant difference.
I do; remember how she blasted Maria for doing something that would drive
others AWAY from Jesus' love? There she thundered and preached with the
best of them, about driving others away from "her Savior's love". It was
a
very revealing moment. And spoke well of Lynda. Jesus said much the same
thing to the Pharisees.
... You are scrupulously honest, frank, and straightforwardly wrong.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:22:00
EID:1fe5 20394ac0
LB> While I was just a baby during the Cuban Missle Crisis, I grew up
LB> right outside of Offutt AFB in Omaha ("Ground Zero"). Remember that
LB> wonderful useless advice we were given? "Look away." "Duck under your
LB> desk" Yeah, right.
LB> We'd have been shadows on the ground. My dad didn't pull any punches
LB> -- I asked him what would happen to us if one hit (he worked
LB> underground, so if he was at work at the time, presumably he'd have
LB> survived). He said, "Honey, you'd be toast." Oddly enough, it was
LB> alot more comforting to hear that, than to have the teachers give
LB> advice better suited to a minor tornado -- I KNEW they were lying or
LB> wrong, and his answer sounded alot more realistic.
I remember a comic called "I SAW IT"...a Japanese comic, by a cartoonist
who was a schoolchild in Hiroshima when the bomb fell, and was saved by
being behind a wall. When he came to, hours later, people were walking
around, their skin melted and hanging in large folds off them, burned
black, muttering, "Help me"....he told how it affected his life, how he
buried his father's bones weeks later, after the fires had died down. Done
in a cartoony style like much of Japanese stuff (like Astroboy) which made
the subject matter all the more riveting.
I still have it. I show it to my nine-year-old. It's something, like the
Holocaust, that should not be forgotten.
... In an atomic war, all men will be cremated equal.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: ASKING SILLY QUESTIO
|Date: 25 Jan 96 10:12:00
EID:3aa0 20395180
AS> Of course. But John...it's been thirty years.
JP> Yep.
JP> ".....that he WAS and IS NOT and WILL COME."
JP> "The beast that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out
JP> of the abyss and to go to destruction. And those who dwell on the
JP> earth will wonder, whose name has not been written in the book of
JP> life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast, that
JP> he was and is not and will come. Rev. 17:8
Excellent! Now, did you perhaps know that Nero was so hated that many
Romans refused to believe he was dead? That some thought he had fled to
their rival empire, the Parthians, and would lead them in to destroy the
empire?
AS> How long, according to your theory,
AS> will it be before JFK returns and deceives us all?
JP> Before Kissinger croaks. I think before the year 2000.
Well, at least it's a definite, falsifiable prediction. (That's a
compliment, BTW.) If Kissinger croaks without anything happening, would
you abandon your theories? Not saying you have to, just curious.
AS> And do you really think even JFK reappearing
AS> would cause anything but shock and horror?
JP> What do YOU believe the Revelation 13-20 is talking about ?
Glad you asked! Most of what I am about to say is NOT mine. It comes from
Dr. Bill Goree, a professor at David Lipscomb University, a religious
university (Church of Christ) and, incidentally, an elder at my particular
church. I am not following him because he is an elder at my church,
BTW...there's another elder whose theories on other things I wouldn't
trust very much---but because they make sense. (It might be noted that the
Church of Christ, or Cambellites, are regarded as fairly conservative
among Christians.)
I think most of Revelations had to be prophecies ADDRESSED TO THE FIRST
CENTURY CHRISTIANS, the audience they were intended for. That we MUST
examine the audience whom John was addressing PRIMARILY, to get the
meaning. So most of the metaphorical language (and I'm sure we can both
agree that much of the language is metaphorical...that the stars will not
literally fall from the sky, etc.) is a code written by John (or dictated
to a disciple, since the style is so different from John's epistles and
Gospels) to superficially not give away what he was saying to any Roman
eyes that might light upon it. He wrote it, according to all the accounts.
late in the century, after Nero's persecutions and it wouldn't take much
of a prophet to see the next persecution, Trajan's, beginning to gear up.
I think (as many other here in this echo have) that John, when he talks
of the Beast, is talking about Roman Emperors. Certainly the memory of the
excesses of Nero would be fresh with him, and some of the later ones
almost matched Nero and Caligula for infamy. "Anyone who refused to
worship the statue of the beast was put to death" for instance, Rev 13:15,
sounds very much like the reason many of the martyrs were put to the
death, for refusing to worship the Emperor. Nontheists can see some of
these things as shrewd guesses, but I have no trouble with actual
revelations from God. For instance, the sign "to be branded on the hand
or
on the forehead, and made it illegal for anyone to buy or sell anything
unless he had been branded with the name of the beast of the number of its
name." There was a time (remembering his lessons, but not able to quote
exactly) in the third? century that one had to produce a paper from the
goverment proving that you had engaged in approved practices to sell or
buy things at ports, etc. Which included Emperor-worship. Which put
Christians at a horrible disadvantage. "Babylon" is code for Rome, of
course...notice the whore sitting on the "seven hills". The mourning for
the fall of Babylon...one remembers how the fall of Rome struck terror in
the heart of the ancient world, at least the civlized part.
Now SOME of it, I will concede (as will Dr. Goree) talks about the end
times. "There will be a new heaven and a new earth", there will be "no
more tears", etc. But I think the majority of plagues, famines, etc., is
talking about travails in the later Empire. The insects who looked like
horses, only with armored upper parts....metaphorical for the Parthians,
Rome's neighboring empire, and one of the their greatest threats. Armored,
mounted on horseback, the description would fit pretty well. (I
asked him if he believed that the "new heaven and earth" might be
metaphorical for the legalization of Christianity under Constantine. He
smiled and said, "But God hardly wiped away every tear after that, did
he?") He feels, from long study of the subject (he teaches history for
the most part) that often some of the repitions and numbers mentioned are
typical of Jewish apocalyptic literature, that such numbers as "seven"
indicated completeness, etc.
JP> AGE is nearly irrelevant. God has ordained this person.
JP> Same God that has women having babies at outrageous ages.
JP> Same God that used to have people living 700 years.
But surely he must be plausible to THIS generation...if these are the last
days.
JP> The Revelation "beast" has all of Satan's power.
The Roman Emperor's had many of the world's lands under their direct
control. Remember the final temptation Satan gave Jesus, "All these will
I
give you, if you will fall down and worship me." If any class of people
ever showed "absolute power corrupts absolutely," it was the Roman
Emperors. And I would include Constantine, since he ordered his son and
one of his wives killed.
JP> The "beast" will appear vigorous. Sharp. Witty. Brilliant.
So did many of the Roman Emperors.
JP> The leaders of EVERY form of organized religion on earth will be
JP> telling their flocks that the "beast" is a "heavenly miracle."
You will notice that the Romans let other people keep their own worship,
as long as they INCORPORATED Emperor-worship into it. The Jews are the
only exception I know of.
JP> [those who oppose the "beast" will lose their positions within
JP> the organizations,.... and lose their earthly lives as well]
Again, read Pliny the Younger to read accounts of Christians being killed
for not worshipping the Emperor and refusing to disavow Christ. Which
happened a decade or two in John's future...
AS> Given the revelations about his many affairs, do you really think
AS> they will embrace him as a holy man? Even if he did reappear?
JP> The worldly do not want a "holy" leader.
Well, if he DID reappear from the dead, wouldn't that be proof of some
sort of supernatural event?
JP> JFK's history is PERFECT for the final "beast."
So is Nero's.
JP> You can't start a mass movement by sheer/mere assertion of something
JP> that EVERYBODY is firmly convinced is untrue/impossible.
AS> Although Joseph Smith (Mormonism) came close....
JP>
JP> Nearly everyone is convinced [via TV, mainly] that JFK
JP> was in the casket that went from Dallas to Bethesda,
JP> and that JFK's bod is in the casket that went in the ground.
JP> [though only a handful of person ever had FIRST HAND
JP> knowledge of what, if anything, was/is in either casket]
And NO one questioned someone taking away the body of a beloved president?
(They may have hated him in life...many did...but I remember Kennedy's
assasination well. I remember how quickly Kennedy went from the "guy who
bungled the Bay of Pigs" to "Johnny, we hardly knew ye."
JP> Joseph Smith definitely beat the odds,.... but note that J.Smith
JP> wasn't opposing a belief that the population had previously been
JP> specifically and explicitly convinced was untrue.
Hmmm. Which belief are you talking about?
... Some folks look for answers...others look for fights...
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 25 Jan 96 10:16:00
EID:8f36 20395200
LB> *sigh* Is that an admission, finally? Jim, Al asked you politely if
LB> this was the case -- I can understand you refusing to admit it to
LB> anyone else, but why didn't you answer when you were asked civilly?
Well, in another post, he admitted he was Lou. But he evidently has not
been receiving my replies (others have obviously seen them, like you) and
sent me a post about that. And I DO believe him. Dan said much the same
thing about not seeing posts from me. But Jim DID see Judith's reply to
a
post I sent to Jim. Bizarre. Fidonet works in mysterious ways....
... Don't mind me; I'm the designated drunk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JOHN PREWETT
|Sub: LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 10:19:00
EID:433f 20395260
AS> Jim; she's joking. And after all, it was not SHE who first
AS> said she was "sucking up" to the nonbelievers on this echo.
JP> It was not SHE who first treated fellow avowed Christians
JP> with contempt.
On the contrary, John; she has treated SOME with contempt. Some she has
been unfailingly nice to. Isn't the brotherhood of Christians large enough
to encompass a wide variety of viewpoints...such as many in the churches
that Paul corrected, who went MUCH farther astray, whom he still addresses
as "brothers"?
If she is spending more time criticizing religious hypocrisy (as she
sees it) than unbelievers, than certainly she is doing EXACTLY WHAT JESUS
DID! Count the number of times He talks about unbelievers, compared to the
number of times He mentions the hypocrisies of the Pharisees and the
Sadduccees.
And...quite FRANKLY, John...coming from someone who reguarly paints the
largest group of "fellow avowed Christians" which is the CATHOLIC CHURCH,
with less than complimentary colors (Well? Whether you think they are or
not, they certainly AVOW themselves to be.) you better remove the
four-by-four from your eye before you try to talk about the speck in hers.
JP> [whether to suck up to heathens, or for whatever reason]
Maybe because it was her honest opinion? Maybe because her interpretation
of the Bible--and that is all either of you have--is diffferent from
yours?
AS> If you WANTED to drive a believer into becoming an unbeliever,
AS> I can think of no better way to do so:
JP>
JP> She already proudly claims to be an unbeliever,
Unfortunately, that is a lie. She doesn't believe every word of Scripture
is the literal truth. Well...there are a lot of us who think some things
in the Bible are parable and metaphor, which does not detract from the
ETERNAL TRUTH of their lesson. Unless you think there really WAS a
prodigal son, exactly as Jesus described...?
JP> and is a constant basher of believers.
John, quite frankly, when Creationists (like the ICR) come on and try to
twist scientific fact to fit their interpretation of the Bible, they are
LYING for God...or their religion. As C.S. Lewis said, "Lying for your
religious beliefs may help your religion. It certainly isn't helping God."
See the difference?
JP> So very liberal "christian."
John, perhaps you would do better to ASK her if there is any scriptural
basis in what she believes? I'm certain she has backing for everything she
believes.
... Unpopular Bible Fact: Hatred of others is unChristian. (1 John 4)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:30:14
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21 Jan 96 15:40, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
PS>> I don't give for money, partly because most of the places that
PS>> pay are in parts of town that I wouldn't enter without a few
PS>> firearms and a tank.
DW>> I used to *live* in some of those parts of Memphis (really low
DW>> rent). You don't know what you're missing... :)
PS> I'd rather continue in my ignorance.
Been attending church, Preston? :)
BTW, why haven't you joined us on IRC?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:31:49
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21 Jan 96 15:40, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Hell, fun doesn't begin to describe it. I once damn near
DW>> destroyed my back. My mother and sister had to pick me up and
DW>> carry me to mom's car (I'm 6'3", 220 lbs. while both my mother
DW>> and sister are under 5'8" - I'm sure it was an amusing spectacle
DW>> for any spectators). An
PS> Staal will be upset--you're only 4 inches shorter and 45 lbs. lighter
PS> than he is.
That's amazing, considering how empty his head is.
PS> (personal aside--you didn't sound that big over the phone,
PS> but I've been wrong about such things before)
What did I sound like, Urkel?
HOw does one "sound" big? ;)
PS> And how does one go about damn near destroying a back?
Place a box on the ground. THe box should be a 4" cube and weigh over thirty
pounds. Bend at the waist to pick it up, using one hand. It helps if you've
led a rough life to begin with, and your back isn't it the best shape already.
Both the osteo and a neurosurgeon I visted later tell me I'm going to have
to have surgery eventually. The prospect of spending six weeks flat on
my back doesn't make me very happy...
PS> ... My other computer is a VAX.
UT has decided to kill its VAX. Now I have to interact with the geeky-assed
UNIX.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Angles exists
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:16:09
EID:3cf5 20397200
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24 Jan 96 00:00, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Sue Armstrong:
SA>> The only time "angles" intervened in my life was in
SA>> math class, and their sole raison d'etre seemed to be to annoy
SA>> the shit out of me and ensure I got a "D".
LB> Guess you didn't have a guardian angle, huh?
I did, but he was rather obtuse.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CENSUS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:17:21
EID:f6bb 20397220
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31079144
22 Jan 96 17:53, Judith Bandsma wrote to Michael Hardy:
MH>> In fact, the Romans *did* require people to travel to their
MH>> birthplace in order to register for a census. A census edict
JB> That quote doesn't say anything about returning to a birthplace...and
Does Mikey think that the Romans forced people who were born outside the
empire to leave during the census? Does Mikey *think* before he posts this
nonsense?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:33:10
EID:f0b8 20391420
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106ec21
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60f21e19
22 Jan 96 11:59, J.J. Hitt wrote to Steve Wallis:
JH>>> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but
JH>>> their very presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly
JH>>> on just what sort of character Mr. Miller actually is.
SW>> Are you an ordained judge J.J.?
JH> Ye shall know them by their works, bub.
Since when are judges "ordained", anyway?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:13:01
EID:7076 203911a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e78f
22 Jan 96 11:53, Steve Quarrella wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
LB>> should treat them with respect. You don't like it when someone
LB>> questions your own sincerity -- where do you get off deciding an
LB>> entire group of people are without sincerity??
SQ> Will you stop asking those hurtful questions already?
So, when do we make Lynda an honorary "empty" heathen? She's been doing
a lot of sucking up lately, and should be rewarded. Maybe one of the more
artistic heathens (Sue?) could draw up some kind of certificate? :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 25 Jan 96 03:11:04
EID:7076 20391960
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106f4ef
22 Jan 96 21:05, Steve Quarrella wrote to Robert Jackson:
SQ>> And what hole is that, Jesse?
RJ>> Yeah, what hole is that?
SQ> "I'm just trying to find the bridge...can anybody find the bridge?"
T'hell with the bridge. Jesse can't even find the deep, dark, and "empty"
chasm that the bridge allegedly spans.
SQ> "That is a stupid question...I will not answer."
"What you call a refusal to answer was a refusal to respond"
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: creation
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:03:55
EID:7a60 20391060
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e577
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 028df6c8
23 Jan 96 01:36, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW> KW>> David, Maria's husband is the one who linked the lack of a
DW> KW>> 'Big Bang' to the origin of life. After all, anything
DW> KW>> resembling a 'Big Bang' is just a theory to her.
DW>>
KW> BTW, has FIDO gone weird again, or has Maria taken a powder?
Errr... If I had to guess, I'd say both. I haven't even seen any replies
to Maria lately, so I'd have to say she's taken a powder. However, given
Fido's propensity to "[go] weird", that possibility cannot be ruled out.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:05:44
EID:86d5 203910a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e604
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 11169aee
23 Jan 96 01:36, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Compuserve has two choices in this matter:
DW>> 1. Don't censor anything, and loose all those hefty German
DW>> subscription fees.
DW>> 2. Censor the sex groups from German readers (as the German
DW>> government requested), and let the German government worry about
DW>> the other places that Germans are getting their porn.
KW> And they have porn shops in their airports? Am I the
KW> only one that sees a contradiction here?
No.
KW> David, I just don't see the point of forbidding access to
KW> something that is sold that openly elsewhere in the country.
Governments are composed of people, right? Whoever said that people (especially
when the people in question form committees) were incapable of holding contradictory
positions? Whoever said that the actions of people had to make sense?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: FOF update
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:00:37
EID:a679 20397000
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31078d20
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0996e833
19 Jan 96 23:24, Styx Allum wrote to LARRY SITES:
>> Also aol has sent me one of their free trial disks and TWO free
>> trials for GNN, their internet service.
SA> Isn't it nice of them to keep sending us free backup diskettes?
I've noticed that AOL has started sending its stuff on CD-ROM. Bastards.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:08:03
EID:cb38 20391100
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e66b
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org d81e8754
23 Jan 96 01:36, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW> KW>> Even skyclad, my tradition goes for the pretty stuff. My
DW> KW>> headdress is sterling silver, and set with moonstones. The
DW> KW>> silver explains the polish, and the settings for the stones
DW> KW>> explain the toothpicks (you wrap them in gauze to get at the
DW> KW>> tight places). Some of my other pieces of 'ritual jewellery'
DW> KW>> also have to be polished.
DW>> I'll eat whatever you, Judith, and lInda want to feed me if you'll
DW>> show up in that outfit.
KW> You are a sweet kid, David, but before you get your hormones all
KW> stirred up, remember that I'm a middle aged mommy person.
You just had to go and ruin my fantasy, didn't you? :)
KW> However I
KW> am a hellaciously good cook. ;)
That's one of the most important things, anyway. Anything else is just
icing on the cake. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Jesse ignores unauthorized questions
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:22:58
EID:a009 203912c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e9f7
22 Jan 96 20:49, Steve Quarrella wrote to Fredric Rice:
jcj>> But I will not abandon the celebration of the Birth of
jcj>> Christ just because some cunning Middle-Aged monk decided
jcj>> to place it at a time already considered festive.
FR>>
SQ> You can just see the foot being stamped. I tell you, if we play our
SQ> cards right, we can milk entertainment out of this one until March or
SQ> April. :)
At which time we'll be exposed to his Easter screed. We may be able to
milk that one until June or July, but there's gonna be a dry spell until
Thanksgiving. Too bad Jesse's not Catholic - they've got religious holidays
every third Wednesday. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:37:32
EID:6485 203974a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310795d2
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3105595a
22 Jan 96 08:38, Andrew Masten wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
LB>> It won't work, J.J. Until they've been consecrated, all you have
LB>> is a large quantity of tasteless wafers, and overpriced ones at
LB>> that, no doubt. Stick with Townhouse crackers. :)
AM> Your just a sick man.
You're a *man*?!? :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Persecution Central
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:30:18
EID:4299 203913c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106eb5b
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 31037d3f
21 Jan 96 12:10, Don Martin wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I knew this would happen when I lost my tongs and thumbscrew. I
DW>> guess I'll have to go out and buy another set.
DM> So YOU'RE the one!. The poor guy comes here, expecting a good
DM> persecution, and YOU have lost your tongs and thumscrews! How many
DM> times do I have to tell you to PUT THINGS AWAY WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH
DM> THEM AND YOU'LL KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM? But you never listen. Now
DM> this poor Christian soul is wandering around in strange places,
DM> seeking the service he feels we promised him. No wonder our repeat
DM> business is lousy . . .
As a wise old sage once said:
"... piss on him--it's only a fundy, after all." - DM
Hmmm... I wonder who that DM was? :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: RICE IS A LIAR
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:22:45
EID:ddb8 203972c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31079248
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 61033385
23 Jan 96 19:30, Martin Goldberg wrote to Jesse Jones:
MG> You must have missed my message to you.....twice.
MG> For wht reason do you believe that my giving my wife a gift at the end
MG> of December can be translated into my celebrating a religious holiday?
I just wanted to make sure you saw this, Jesse.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows all...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:28:24
EID:29e3 20391380
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106eafa
22 Jan 96 18:43, Steve Quarrella wrote to Jim Staal:
JS>> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS>> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS>> time with people like that'?
SQ> Why, "to combat the evil," of course!
Does Jimmy-boy imagine that we're concerned with the opinion of his alleged
wife (which state is it that allows humans to marry blow-up dolls, anyway)?
If she exists, she can't be too damn bright - she married him.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:39:29
EID:391c 203914e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106edea
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22 Jan 96 22:51, J.J. Hitt wrote to Boni Hitch:
BH>> Well we Natives have been talking to the animals for a few
BH>> thousand years [...]
JH> Ahhh.... no wonder you never invented the wheel or writing.
Isn't it odd that the "earth-worshipping" societies never seem to get beyond
the stage of back-breaking labour, rampant disease, and early deaths?
Hmm... it seems that worshipping Gaia is even more worthless as worshipping
Jehovah.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:38:15
EID:488c 203974c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310795f2
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 31055956
22 Jan 96 04:48, Andrew Masten wrote to Dan Ceppa:
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please present
DW>> it. If not, kindly stop your whining.
AM>> Yes, request denied, no.
DC>> Sure you have evidence, fundy. That's why you refuse to share
DC>> it.
AM> No, David Worrel was just being a jerk.
And he's still waiting on that evidence you claim to have. Where is it?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:47:34
EID:0dd5 20390de0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e34c
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60f4ffd6
22 Jan 96 17:20, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> (You don't even really need that - just a directional antenna
DW>> and a frequency dial.)
JH> Um... shouldn't there be some sort of electronics connected to that
JH> dial?
That's what God is for.
Seriously, I didn't realize I'd need to be so anal about it. You'd also
need an amplifier, a speaker, and a few other goodies.
JH> The directional antenna is totally unnecessary.
Yes, for eavesdropping on cell phones. However, there's no telling when
you'll *need* a directional antenna, so it's best to throw one in for the
hell of it, rather than having to build another device from scratch later.
JH> The move to a digital format for cell phones wont eliminate
JH> eavesdropping either.
Of course it won't. However, I've seen notices for a program called "PGPphone"
- you can't tell from the name, but it is the equivalent of PGP for voice
communications :). PGPphone requires that you talk through your sound card
(and a microphone) rather than your telephone handset, but it shouldn't
be long until a similar device is developed that can be attached directly
to the phone itself.
JH> It'll simply force the listeners to move from consumer
JH> electronics to industrial test equipment and service
JH> monitors.
That is one concept I've yet to get any "NWO cashless society" weenie to
understand. They all bitch and moan about debit cards and the government's
ability to track each and every person by their spending, but they fail
to take into account the fact that for each advance in security technology
there's three advances that can be used to break that security.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: White-lighter Religio
|Date: 25 Jan 96 14:40:51
EID:1000 20397500
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310796a1
REPLY: 1:280/26 351604b7
20 Jan 96 23:03, Robert Berndt wrote to Asmodeus:
RB> If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your
RB> tunic.
If I take your computer, will you let me have your printer, too?
Where do you live?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 25 Jan 96 01:56:57
EID:de52 20390f00
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3106e439
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0883b7ab
17 Jan 96 04:49, Fredric Rice wrote to David Worrell:
A>> and what you _truly_ stand for delusions of grandeur?
dw>> If the world you dream of, where everybody did exactly as they
dw>> pleased, ever came about, you'd be cowering in a fucking corner.
FR> If he was allowed to live this long.
I was in a generous mood.
FR> I suspect that in a society where "do as you wish" held sway
FR> without the admonishment "if it harms none," every word and
FR> every action would have to be backed up with a gun.
And no one would ever be able to sleep. Pretty fucked up world, huh? Yet
clueless fucks like Asmodeus never seem to be able to carry the consequences
of their ideals (or rather, the ideals they lifted from someone else) to
their logical conclusion. Each of them dreams of a world where they are
free of responsibility, yet they have no idea that there are people (more
than they're capable of imagining) that would as soon shoot 'em as spit
on 'em.
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Kenneth McAbee
|Sub: Redacted Stories
|Date: 25 Jan 96 00:45:00
EID:680a 203905a0
-> DJ> You are quite incorrect. It is you they are being rude to.
-> David,
-> Naw, the Bible says that they do not reject the person that is
-> presenting
-> the Gospel, but rather the one the Gospel is written about.
Rejection is beside the point. Everyone who says "no" to you is
"rejecting" what you believe to be the gospel. Those who do so rudely,
are being rude to you personally. Nor does that line of reasoning
particularly apply to the modern day, when everyone has ample access to
the information in question, to accept or reject as they see fit. This
no longer the Roman Empire, and Christianity is no longer an obscure
novelty.
--- PCBoard (R) v15.21/100
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Hs web page update
|Date: 24 Jan 96 11:57:00
EID:6d83 20385f20
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e30
And Brave Sir Mark ran away, screaming "Hs web page update"!
SA> You, too? I've been seriously considering one of those collections,
SA> myself.
MH>
MH> Good grief, why? I submit, there's several good songs on some
MH> of the ones I've seen advertised, but a lot of them are simple
MH> nugatorical tripe. It seems to be commonplace among your average
MH> 'TV-sold' compilation, though. Doesn't that just make you wistful
MH> for a bearable '80s music compilation'?
Yes; but about now I'd even take a mediocre '80s collection. There's simply
nothing worthwhile on the radio.
SA> Thanks .. I should really see about getting the second month scanned
SA> now, too.
SA>
SA> Dark? Hm. They seemed all right in my viewers.
MH>
MH> I have to admit, I thought they looked a little dark and
MH> blurry and/or smudged. A flatbed scanner would have made a
MH> considerable difference, given that they're also typically
MH> appertain to a higher dpi value. It's a shame one wasn't
MH> available. [Not a gripe, but a lament.]
MH>
MH> Gosh; I'm just an all-around wishful thinker, aren't I?
Mm. Mind you, I wish I had something with a nice flatbed scanner, too.
It'd
come in handy at the very least. Of course, I also wish that the background
to
VDE wasn't this damn blue ..
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Barney and Baby Bop at Jurassic Park = A happy Velociraptor.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: DOOFUS...
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:00:01
EID:394a 20386000
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e31
And Brave Sir Gwenny ran away, screaming "DOOFUS..."!
SA> stuff .. if you don't mind waiting a few months. There are
SA> apparently places in/around Detroit where such can be had, but
SA> that's sort of a pain, too. Who wants to go to Detroit? :P
GtP> Just to mean, I have to tell you that most of our RPG stuff came from
GtP> Goodwill...at $1.95 a book. I have three or four Unearthed
GtP> Arcana.
Arrgh. Well, it might be worth checking out those shops .. but I can't
see too
many people ditching such books around here, seeing as how they're so hard
to
get. But, one can always hope upon hope, I suppose. :)
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... ERROR 407: Program too idiotic.
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Angles exists
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:02:02
EID:7633 20386040
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e32
And Brave Sir Lynda ran away, screaming "Angles exists"!
KDM> angles "do exists", regardless of whether we accept them or not, or
KDM> whet believe in God or not. The author tells of stories supposingly
KDM> based an steeped in truth about the intervention of angles in human
KDM> lives, and sometimes
SA> The only time "angles" intervened in my life was in math
SA> class, and their sole raison d'etre seemed to be to annoy the shit
SA> out of me and ensure I got a "D".
LB> Guess you didn't have a guardian angle, huh?
If I did, it was probably obtuse ..
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... [WINTER] virus: Ah kerse yer hard drave in tha name of tha Laaaaaard.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:03:03
EID:dd04 20386060
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e33
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "CHRISTOLOGY"!
SA> as 8 or more young. The odd thing is, wolves in captivity don't
SA> always produce the maxiumum amount of young, even though they tend
SA> to be well-fed. They tend to produce the average of 4-6. And, of
DC> That sounds like that may be somewhat controlled by a view of
DC> what the available range is open to them. The smaller the territory,
DC> the smaller the litter....
Sounds reasonable to me; after all, captive animals don't
generally have 150 square miles to run around in. The smaller
range (and the generally closer proximity each animal has to each
other - in the wild, they can get away on their own for a few days
or weeks) might affect females hormonally.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Get the feeling of fur - slam your hand in a car door
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Why
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:35:04
EID:83c8 20386460
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e34
And Brave Sir Steve ran away, screaming "Why"!
MH> Christianity is a belief, nothing more. If you think it's
SW>
SW> In your opinion Mark, buthow would you know if it were anything more
SW> if you never bothered to take the time to find out?
How do you know he hasn't?
MH> anything more, you're not only sadly mistaken but deluded as well.
SW>
SW> Again, I would have to say that wisdom is justified by her children.
You obviously aren't one of them.
SW>
MH> so many words, and I am, of course, mincing words, but only to
MH> show you how silly you are. Case and point: There are no gods,
MH> only systems of belief.
SW>
SW> You will have your day in court to dispute it Mark,(if you keep going
SW> the way you are). It says in the Bible that we all must give an
SW> account to God one day for our actions on earth.
Ooh, threats. The last resort of the Real, True, Christian.
MH> should not base what they think of any given thing on one [usually
MH> worthless] person, which is why I don't hate Christianity because
MH> you believe in it.
SW>
SW> Praise God brother!
He ain't your brother. And I dare you to call him "Chief".
MH> However, there seems to be an overwhelming
MH> trend of Christian blue-bloods doing really dispicable things to
MH> others, and themselves. What does this say for your religion? It's
MH> definitely a petty one, by all accounts.
SW>
SW> If a non believer offends me in some way, I dont automatically label
SW> all non believers as the same and then do my part to shun em all.
Oh, no. You merely threaten them with your stories of hellfire and
brimstone, don't you?
SW> Therefore, if a Christian blue-blood(as you call em) offends you
SW> somehow, are you going to label all Christians the same and shun them?
SW> Do you see my point? Its ludicrous. As for "my religion"-what would
SW> that be? I dont practice religion, I do however believe in the Lord
SW> Jesus Christ and how a relationship with Him. Religion is man's way
of
SW> trying to reach God, Christ is the only way.
Got any non-bibical evidence of this? How can you be so sure that
Mohammed isn't the only way? (Bring up the bible, and I'll bring up
the Qu'ran.)
MH> It sounds like she's doing a whole lot better, no thanks to
MH> your religion's fellow believers.
SW>
SW> As I stated before-I dont practice religion. My God shuns evil. No
So, having a "personal relationship" with your chosen god-construct
doesn't count as a religion. How about someone who claims a "personal
relationship" with Mohammed? Or with Zeus? Or Odin, Cthulu,
Stargoat, Amagok, Manitou, the Yellow Emporer, Buddha, King Arthur, or
a host of other gods/demigods/heroes from around the world? They believe
in
THEIR diety constructs just as much as YOU do, and are likely to fall
back on the exact same sorts of arguments you will to plead the case
for their pet dieties, and all will back up their claims with some
sort of scripture, based on ancient legends and lore - just as your
own adopted scriptures are.
SW> evil can dwell with my God. What happened to Gweeny was unfortunate,
Unfortunately for you, your god claims to have made evil. He even
admits it in the OT. Besides the fact that if your god made
everything (a highly specious claim, indeed) then it also made evil -
"everything" means just that.
SW> but it wasnt God's fualt. If you walked down the street and got jumped,
SW> beat upon and robbed, would it be God's fualt? No. Would it be your
SW> fualt? No. It would have been a sign of the times guy,(redeeming the
SW> times becuase the days are evil).
Oh, but if he won a million dollars in the 6/49, he'd be expected to
praise your god for his good fortune, wouldn't he?
And "evil days" have ALWAYS been upon us, Chucklehead. There hasn't
been a generation in history that hasn't lamented society's decline
and looked back upon some far-distant age - when people ALSO lamented
how bad society was. Today's society is no worse - and most likely
even better - than the days when most people in Europe believed in the
same god you do .. and knights went around lopping people's heads off,
feudal lords worked their serfs to death, the heads of enemies
were hung on pikes within and around cities, kings ruled with
absolute power, and most people were completely illitreate. It's
better than it was even 500 yeras ago, when standards of hygeine were
still very low, more diseases than now were completely incurable,
people went off to find foreign lands and decimate the populations
(ask the Beothuk Indians and the Tasmanian aborigines about how good
God-fearing folk can be .. oh, wait, you can't. They were all made
extinct, quite forcibly) and monarchs STILL ruled with absolute power.
100 years ago, you had the generally lawless West, and Eastern folks
laying waste to the natural world in an era before hunting laws were
forced to come about. In the 1930s, you had the Depression, which
forced the concept of welfare to come into being, in response to the
masses of starving folks on the street, to keep them from stealing
what they needed. In the late 30s and 1940s, you had the rise of Nazi
fascism - and through the 30s, fascism was favoured by the US
government because it was diametrically opposed to Communism - which,
at the time, was seen as the bigger threat until the US entered World
War II. In the 1950s, you had pregnant girls being sent away from
home, in shame, to bear their children - and no birth control was
still yet available, legally, and people could be blackballed on mere
suspicion of ever having even read the cover of "Das Kapital". All
throughout history, you had your equivalents to beatniks, hippies, and
free-thinkers, people out to upset the status quo of the time. Even
Socrates was sentenced for what HE had to say, in an age of Greece
some like to idealise - he was accused of "corrupting the young".
Time marches on, but the tune never changes.
So, I'd like to know what age of history (DOCUMENTED history, please -
don't bring up your garden of Eden mythos - every culture has an
idealised distant past, for the reasons outlined above) you would
nominate for being "better" than the way things are now.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "Here, fundy, fundy, fundy. Nice fundy...***<<>>***"
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 24 Jan 96 14:44:05
EID:a2b0 20387580
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e35
And Brave Sir Judith ran away, screaming "ABORTION"!
PS> crimes of one. This is a Stalinist tactic. Are you one of those who
PS> speaks against the use of anaesthesia during childbirth on the grounds
PS> that it circumvents this punishment?
JB> She got asked that the last time she was here. If I remember right,
JB> she went off into a long ramble that nobody would deny the use of pain
JB> killers to women in labor today and never answered the charge that
JB> there are christians who still think that women shouldn't even have
JB> medical care during pregnancy and labor because of the genesis bit.
Hell, I think those "natural childbirth" weenies are closet fundies;
they might not use biblical language for their aims, but they're very
good at using guilt and fear to convince you to forgo an epidural
block, or even gas, during labour. "It's bad for the baby", they
chant to nervous new moms-to-be .. who, if they buy the line, wind up
having a much worse time at it than it might have been.
The pamphlets put out by the Lamaze people really pour on the fear and
guilt tactics, too, aided and abetted by health care workers who run
prenatal classes. I was also turned off quickly by the La Leche
League's pamphlets, which use basically the same language and tactics
to get women to breast-feed, thus tying them down more to their
infants and toddlers than they need be (and, of course, it's more
difficult for the father to get in on the act, unless mom uses one of
those modified bovine milking machines on herself; but the pamphlets I
remember seeing frowned upon ANY use of a bottle whatsoever, no matter
what sort of milk was stored inside.) Worse, the True Believers in
such things were so wide-eyed and all, they reminded me of street-
corner fundies and Scientologists trying to get folks to take a
personality test. It's fucking scary.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Quick, call a Witch Doctor. My witch is sick!
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: NOAH'S IMPOSSIBLE ARK 1
|Date: 25 Jan 96 12:37:06
EID:6ad8 203964a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e36
And Brave Sir AL ran away, screaming "NOAH'S IMPOSSIBLE ARK 1"!
LB> What does God have for breakfast?? ;)
AS> Whatever He wants.
LB> Wheaties -- Breakfast of Deities!
AS> Silly Rabbit--Tricks are for Gods!--Loki, Hermes, Coyote, Raven....
That's tagline material if I ever saw it .
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... The gun that shoots a wolf or coyote will never again shoot straight.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 25 Jan 96 12:40:07
EID:59ac 20396500
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e37
And Brave Sir Preston ran away, screaming "OPINION POLL"!
PS> We used to have a regular scorecard here. Dunno what happened to it.
AS> Sue Armstrong did up the last version; ask her.
PS> I will, soon's I remember.
If you like, I'll post it in a few days, after I update it a bit more.
Mike Christy had the better list, though, with ages and whatnot, but I
haven't seen him around much lately.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Do you believe in life after birth?
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:38:08
EID:f696 20396cc0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e38
And Brave Sir AL ran away, screaming "A DAY IN THE LIFE..."!
KW> Don't be to sure about that...
AS>
AS> Ever READ "The Circus of Dr. Lao"? It was made into a movie, but the
It's a book, too? Nifty. I liked the movie, "The Seven Faces of Dr. Lao"
(with Tony Randall as Lao, of all things).
AS> movie, although pretty good, could not catch the full flavor of the
AS> original. At one point this rather prudish schoolteacher went into
AS> one part of the freak show and came face to face with...Pan. Piping
AS> her inhibitions away....
I remember that, from the flick. Cripes, how long ago did that movie come
out?
30 years ago?
AS> And then there was the fortuneteller who told absolutely true
AS> fortunes, and told this woman,"You will meet no one exciting. You will
AS> keep on hoping you will until you die, and you will die unmourned, and
AS> no one will ever miss you." "But what's the use of me living, then?"
AS> "I don't know. I just read fortunes, I don't determine them."
AS> Paraphrasing here. Wonderfully funny and witty, pagan in the playful
AS> Arcadian sense, highly recommended.
Drat; now you've got me wanting to see the movie again; a Toronto station
runs
it once in a blue moon, but I haven't seen them list it for a couple of
years.
I'll keep my eyeballs open for the book, though.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "What's for dinner Baldrick ?" "Rat au Van." - Blackadder
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: ABORTION ENSLAVES WOMEN
|Date: 25 Jan 96 15:33:09
EID:7df4 20397c20
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e39
And Brave Sir Maria ran away, screaming "ABORTION ENSLAVES WOMEN"!
RB> OUR primary instinct is one of survival. We've simply dominated the
RB> rest of the animal world to such an extent that we have a lot of
RB> leisure time. Time to sell insurance and dream up myths about gods.
MR> We also have a need to love and be loved; the knowledge of something
So do most animals; pets are an obvious example, but even reptiles and fish
will react positively to kindly care .. and, as far as the ones with obvious
behaviour go, they tend to react tenderly to mates, as well, even if they
don't normally stay together all year. As for the ones whose behaviour
is
more cryptic to human observers, we simply don't KNOW what they're feeling,
and can't infer such by watching. For instance, I've seen film clips of
lions
mating; it looks like an unpleasant affair, from my human point of
view, what with the neck-biting and all, but then, some humans like
"rough sex" as well. At first glance, it doesn't look like either is
enjoying themselves, but on second thought their reactions are
probably just similar to groaning and love-biting in humans, who are
more obviously (to another human) enjoying themselves and may actually
even give a damn about one another.
MR> "higher" than us; to think and plan things out; to create things with
No, we simply don't KNOW if they think of anything "higher" than themselves,
because we can't converse with them on our own terms - and we haven't yet
learned how to "get into their heads" on theirs. Dogs, however, react somewhat
worshipfully to their masters - and will even die for them. Wolves tend
to
adore the alphas in their packs. We simply don't know if they conveive
of some
sort of unseen super-alpha or not. Even if they don't, so what? What's
so
great about unevidenced belief in unseen superheroes?
MR> our hands.....all things that animals cannot do.
So, we make things with our hands. Big whoop. That's instinct, too. It
doesn't seem to be any less instinctual than corals making great reefs and
islands with their very bodies, or wasps making elaborate paper mache nests,
or
beavers making fortified dams and lodges, or satin bowerbirds making
elaborately and beautifully decorated nests to impress their ladies, or
whatnot. Captive elephants and chimps seem to thoroughly enjoy tracing
in the
dirt, or even painting when given the materials to do so, just as human
children do. Hell, their paintings have even been presented anonymously
to art
critics, who estimate the value (thinking that the artists are human) of
such
paintings in terms of tens of thousands of dollars or more (art critics
are
very big on abstract art.) There probably isn't a human alive that doesn't
find it fulfilling to tinker, or draw, or build, even if they're not
particularly good at it - and when such a propensity shows up in other species,
it's immediately labelled as "instinct". Yet, such propensity is no more
indistinguishable in humans than it is in other critters - it's instinctual
in
humans to create. So, some of us are better at it than others; birds can
make
shoddy nests, too. Shoddy nestmaking, however, has a bearing on the genetic
makeup of bird species, since birds who can't build nests worth a damn simply
won't be successful at breeding, so the talent for the art of nestbuilding
is
reinforced in the species. If artistic talent was similarly important in
human
societies, it, too, would eventually be that all humans were decent artisans.
Mental illness is also long known to occur in other animals, without
help from any virus or tumour or other physical CNS disorder. Zoos
have, in this century, been forced to upgrade their facilities and
make animal enclosures more naturalistic and stimulating for the
inmates - not due to the actions of animal rights/animal welfare
activists, but simply due to the fact that they were losing a great
many animals due to mental illness. Animals in old-style zoo cages
routinely showed signs of insanity brought on by sheer boredom -
including, but not limited to: incessant bar-biting; foot-chewing;
licking of one area until raw;agression towards cage-mates,
including those of the opposite sex; stereotyped pacing continued
all day until the animal simply collapses from exhaustion; head-shaking;
and beating of the head against the floor or wall continuously.
Dogs, cats, and birds can be driven similarly insane due to abuse or neglect.
I've seen an insane galah who can do nothing more than screech all day.
Pit bulls rescued from drug dealers or dog fighters are regularly put
down - not because of a "vicious nature", but because they've been
deliberately driven insane enough to attack anything that moves - not
a normal behaviour for ANY animal.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "Man is quite insane." -- Montaigne
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 25 Jan 96 15:24:10
EID:0602 20397b00
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e3a
And Brave Sir Karen ran away, screaming "CHURCHES"!
DC> I see that you will never make Poster Girl of NOW or any Ant-Child
> Abuse organization.
KD> On the contrary, it is people like Maria that NOW wants to save.
Frankly, if folks like Maria want to be doormats, that's up to them. I
don't understand how she can be happy that way, but hey. I also
couldn't understand the housewives I've met that were happy knowing
absolutely nothing beyond the best sort of vaccuum cleaner to buy.
NOW's business should be in protecting the rights of those of us who
DON'T want to be that way, and don't want the traditional view of
women forced on us.
The only way someone like Maria would/could ever change would probably
be through some sort of seriously bad experience at the hands of her
husband or some other male .. I doubt she'd ever realise that being
subjugated isn't all that pleasant on her own accord. Perhaps her
personality even dictates that she not be in control of her own life.
My only problem with the likes of her is, they only reinforce the
views of those like Christian Miller, Shabier Khan and men like them
who wish we were ALL Maria Russells - quiet, obedient, and dumb as
posts without the intestinal fortitude to take care of ourselves or
express an opinion of our own.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Abusers don't care *what* your species is.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 25 Jan 96 16:19:11
EID:1390 20398260
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e3b
And Brave Sir AL ran away, screaming "HEAVENLY AND DAZED"!
AS> Lament all over again. These are Kryptonian or Amazon muscles. The penis
AS> involved would be crushed by muscles stronger than steel...
KW> Well, there are a hell of a lot of men out there who
KW> wouldn't have to worry about that. Although Bear swears to me that
as
KW> an EMT he did deal with a few stuck penises. Golden lasso indeed!
AS> I remember seeing a bitch (as in a female dog) and her lover trying
AS> to extracate themselves in front of the student center in college, to
AS> the amusement and ribald comments of all. Of course, it was also in
AS> front of the cafeteria, and put a few off their feed.
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) for the canidae, it's a natural
and routine occurrence. When the male ejaculates, the head of his
penis expands to such an extent that the pair becomes "tied" - and
there isn't much they can do about it for about half an hour. It may
help with pair-bonding, especially amongst canid species that are more
or less monogamous. However, it leaves the pair open to attack by
natural enemies, jealous conspecifics, and disgusted humans with
hoses. The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of
dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able
to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's
too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: The Raven
|Sub: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 17:34:12
EID:b4e6 20398c40
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e3c
And Brave Sir The ran away, screaming "OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR..."!
AS> capabilities and any curiosity at all would travel. There, he was
AS> "recruited" by other time travellers before he saw anything about what
AS> went on at Golgotha.
TR> I haven't read it, but I'm going to look for it now that I know
TR> about it. Sounds like something I'll enjoy. Ever read "the man who
TR> folded himself"? The hero goes back and rescues Jesus off the cross
TR> (with the assistance of an M-16). When he gets back to his own time,
TR> "modern civilization" consists of "brown men in huts who'd never heard
TR> of the United States". So he goes back, stops himself from interfering
So what's so horrible about that? I don't get it. ;)
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Reincarnation is nature's way of rebooting your life.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: PROOF Cane and Able
|Date: 25 Jan 96 17:37:13
EID:9599 20398ca0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31080e3d
And Brave Sir DAVID ran away, screaming "PROOF Cane and Able"!
DR> From: Reginald <103222.1352@CompuServe.COM>
DR> Subject: "Alabaster Jar solves Evol. V Crea"
DR> An alabaster jar was found in the Negeb desert in 1994. It's
DR> contents proved, ONCE AND FOR ALL, that man was created by
DR> GOD and not by Evolution. The jar was found by a young Burber
DR> woman who traveled the countryside in search of snake and
DR> scorpion venom which she sold to laboratories for research.
DR> Her search led her to a dry cave hundreds of feet above the
DR> desert floor. Here she found a large alabaster jar which has
DR> been dated to early man ie. 3000 b.c. In the jar were the
DR> writings of a man who claimed to have killed his brother. Our
DR> best scientific guess is that the author was CAIN! The
DR> university of Cairo has conducted experiments on the Vase and
DR> its contents and will be publishing their conclusions very
DR> soon. But the scuttlebutt is that everything checks out. THIS
DR> MEANS THAT THE WORLD REALLY IS 6000 YEARS OLD AND THAT CAIN
DR> WAS THE SON OF ADAM!!! NO EVOLUTION. REJOICE!!
ROFL! Oh, the lengths these guys will go. I guess it never occurred
to this moron that many people killed their own siblings since time
immemorial. Hell, I once knew a fellow who claimed to have shot HIS
brother to death, deliberately (claimed that the brother killed their
father, who in turn was an international drug smuggler who used his
kids to transport the stuff. I didn't have the stomach to delve
further into these claims, though). Does this make HIM "Cain"? A
creepy bastard, maybe, but ..
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... If you ever see a VERY large bird footprint, BEWARE!
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: All
|Sub: Test
|Date: 25 Jan 96 20:03:13
EID:7e51 2039a060
MSGID: 1:207/212 20191759
This is a test of my new setup.
My bbs has had some problems, and is considering going down,
so I went ahead and got my own node number... :)
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Judging Others
|Date: 25 Jan 96 19:07:00
EID:532d 203998e0
MSGID: 1:128/50 31003D57
PS> 90s is okay for certain tasks, but most is not what I would call safe
PS> for
Yeah....you got that right!!!
--- QuickBBS 2.76 Ovr
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: David Dahl
|Sub: Re: Steve Winter on the Net
|Date: 23 Jan 96 16:08:48
EID:a80a 20378100
PID: SX 4.3P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 0f8aeca8
REPLY: 0009d2a0
TID: GE/32 1.2
After eating the fuzzy blue liquid, I heard David say:
DD> | http://www.prime.org Home of the PRIME Christian Network
|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, I gotta see.....
... You promised a drug-free America, and we want our free drugs *now*.
--- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 25 Jan 96 02:15:52
EID:024d 203911e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 3107ed4a
-=> Quoting David Hilling to Scot Bear <=-
JS> I haven't seen anything objectionable about Mr. Miller to
JS> date...
SB> Er.......Jimbo.....You're taking on water------------fast!
SB> I would bail-out if I were you.
DH> Scot, I'm surprised at you! If Staalie wants to embrace Christian
DH> it's no one's business but their own. As long as they take pictures
DH> and post GIFs.
Yeah, but Jim has said that he got rid of his milkcrates. Who is
going to provide one for him and his...hmmmmmmm....friend.
Sue
... I'm weird, but around here it's barely noticeable....
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: John Passaniti
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: LET'S RUMBLE!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:13:02
EID:5612 203a01a0
MSGID: 1:2613/102@fidonet 0c973920
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31040796
PID: FM 2.12.SW UNREG
>>> JP> JESUS IS BETTER THAN THE BEST CHEESE YOU HAVE EVER TASTED!
>>> How is he on pizza?
>
> JP> Jesus pizza? Hmmm-- that sounds delicious! I'm going to call
up
> JP> Dominos and see if they can make one.
>
> Do it. Considering Dominos' support of Operation Rescue,
> there's a chance you'll get to have a little fun with 'em. ;)
Unfortunately, the motivations of what happens at the corporate level of
Dominos doesn't necessarily filter down to the rank and file at the branch
stores. Indeed, if the excessively Christian CEO of Dominos knew how the
branch closest to my apartment is run, I think they would blow a gasket.
I take some delight in that.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:02:05
EID:cef3 203a0840
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1070f05f
REPLY: 1:124/9005 3106831a
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Steve Quarrella wrote in a message to Lump:
SQ>> Try again...it was Robert Duvall.
L> Nooo, it was Martin Sheen: "There's nothing like the smell
L> of _______ burning in the morning"< Apocolypse Now >
SQ> "Napalm" is the correct answer, and the line was uttered by Robert
SQ> Duvall. Martin Sheen played the sane character
Well...Mr. Lumpy Gravy has stuck his eternally smelly-foot up his crack
with that mistake. We'll just add it to his growing collection of fundy
fuck-ups.
SQ> Tell you what:
SQ> Bet me on it. If I win, you'll stop using your alias in this echo
SQ> henceforth. If you win, I'll leave HOLYSMOKE for six months.
Hooray! The end of the Lumpster!! May he be stupid enough to take you
up on that bet. And we know he is! :D
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:35:40
EID:4582 203a0460
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1070f05c
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
SR> So instead we only get prepared speeches? How very protective you
SR> are of your fantasy worlds.
AS> I'm sure the Bishop who debated Huxley about Darwin thought the
AS> same thing about evolution, and their "fantasy worlds" of
AS> dinosaurs and such.
'Fantasy worlds of dinosaurs'...huh.
Thanks for showing everybody on this echo just how deep you can bury your
head into the sand, fundy Al.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:03:22
EID:6ea2 203a0860
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1070f062
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3106c42b
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
SR> They are highly focused on your wallet. That part definately
SR> needs no speech.
JS> Hmmm...there was no evidence of it.
Show us your weekly church contribution (tithe) list. Your tax-return will
do.
All the evidence of your addiction one would ever need is on that paper.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundy bluster
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:40:58
EID:405a 203a0500
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 1070f05e
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3106c434
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Jim Staal wrote in a message to Al Schroeder:
AS>> noticed that the uh, more reactionary and flammatory people here
AS>> tend to have a wife or husband, or a relationship of some sort
JS> My point exactly with the more reactionary types like the Rice
JS> brothers, Ceppa, rudzinski etc.
In sharp contrast to all the admitted loners...misfits...divorcees...and
failed-suicidists that hail from a number of indigenous jeezoid camps.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:11:00
EID:eb35 20396960
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Michael Hardy <=-
AS> ...You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant....
AS> BTW, Michael. If you receive this I would appreciate a response ASAP,
AS> if just to say I got it. I'm trying to determine if my messages are
AS> going out....
Very few of them. This packet (760 messages) contains only 14 from you.
With that many messages, I feel I should be seeing your name for days.
My packets are containing messages from you only about once every 3 or 4
days and then they are severely lacking in the numbers which are usual for
you.
But, cheer up. For the most part, when your messages are missing...so are
Hector's.
... C:\DOS;\SYSTEM;\UTILITIES;\DOCS;\HELP;\WHERE;\THE;\HECK;\AM_I
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:04:00
EID:3641 20392080
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Steve Wallis <=-
DC> So, Satan is black, hugh?
Uh, Dan? Colin Powell is black, not Swarzkopf.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: PRESTON'S TEMPER TANTRUM.
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:12:00
EID:61f2 20392180
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Robert Jackson <=-
RJ> Make sure you use lots of big words, so he can say "What?"
RJ> for all eternity.
DW> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.
Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.
... Bad command or filename. Go stand in the corner.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: THE COMMANDERS DYING
|Date: 25 Jan 96 04:49:00
EID:1659 20392620
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Robert Jackson <=-
JH> If it really catches on, we might make the BIG TIME MEDIA, like
JH> the Weekly World News. (I've got to get a "contributors kit" from
JH> them one of these days.)
Even get on tv. I know you don't watch (and I haven't seen the show yet...
my stomach isn't THAT strong) but WWN now has a weekly tv show. Hosted by
Edwin Newman, of all people.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:10:00
EID:f001 20392940
-=> Quoting John Prewett to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> queers with AIDS'. Some may have thought it was his attempt at humor.
JP> Wasn't meant to be humorous at all.
*I* know it wasn't meant to be humorous. If you read my sentence again
you will see that I said "SOME may have thought it was his ATTEMPT at
humor."
I know just what a bigotted, hateful asshole you are. But I do appreciate
your confirming it for everyone else in the echo.
... Were you born that way, or did your mom marry an armadillo?
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:20:00
EID:4906 20392a80
Did he REALLY do that? What did his wife say?
... Now, Here's John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:20:00
EID:6b4e 20392a80
I just heard from the bank. They say they can't approve your loan until
the IRS audit is complete.
... I agreed to suspend my disbelief, not hang it until dead.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: JEEZOIDS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:22:00
EID:4922 20392ac0
They are a bunch of asses, aren't they?
... Sex: ____ Male ____ Female ____ Horse ____ Sheep ____ Other
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIONS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:24:00
EID:d60d 20392b00
Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde.
... Sign on fence; SALESMEN WELCOME, DOGFOOD IS EXPENSIVE.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: FUNDAMENTALISTS R US
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:25:00
EID:cd2b 20392b20
I understand you think the thetans told you about that.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:26:00
EID:6b4e 20392b40
It only snows here about once every 8-10 years. Even then it doesn't stick.
Just makes driving hazardous.
... Never argue with a Skunk, a Mule, or Jose Gomez.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:32:00
EID:485d 20392c00
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Judith Bandsma <=-
LC> I believe Giger did a series of Paintings and put them together
LC> in a book called "Necronomicon".I wonder if he got the Idea from
Don't know about that one, but it was interesting to discover that he
was the one who designed the original 'aliens' for the movie of the same
name.
... ....Unable to open Trouser.zip (a)bort (r)etry (p)ee
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHRISTIAN JOBS
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:41:00
EID:76f5 20392d20
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Michael Hardy <=-
LB> Neo-nazies aren't comparable to nonbelievers, Mike. Should Jewish
LB> employers be "compelled" to hire Christians? (Is it okay for a Jewish
I don't know about 'compelled' but the local synagogue employs 2 non-Jewish
secretaries. The only things they have asked these women NOT to do are
1) not to eat cheeseburgers (or any meat/milk combo...or seafood) inside
the
synagogue building and
2) to keep their own foodstuffs in the special (non-kosher) refrigerator.
As far as I'm concerned, it is a really stupid employer who doesn't hire
the BEST qualified person for the job, period.
... Quaker threat: Pardon, brother--thou standst where I'm about to shoot.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: SPEAR IN SIDE
|Date: 25 Jan 96 05:51:00
EID:d6e8 20392e60
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Judith Bandsma <=-
MB> Then, he lay in the grave all day Saturday, which is day-two. Then,
MB> he wasn't resurrected until after sundown on Saturday (Sunday a.m.),
MB> which makes the third day.
Still doesn't wash. He was supposed to have been IN THE GRAVE for 3 days.
(I suppose they figure that on the amount of time it would have taken a
corpse to really start stinking.) The EARLIEST I can make it is sundown
on Monday. And if the women went to the tomb in the morning, then it can't
be until Tuesday.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: MORE DAN A. POST
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:00:00
EID:b503 20393000
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-
MH> my own freely spoken insanity and gibberish that I will cause the
MH> torment and deaths of billions of people, simply because I'm a
MH> fatalistic schmuck that had nothing better to do.]
And, if they get their way, the political power to do so.
... O Lord, protect me from those to whom You speak directly.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: OFF-TOPIC TOTALLY
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:32:00
EID:c096 20393400
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Todd Andlar <=-
TA> anybody is getting the msgs being sent from this brd... can we get a
PS> Sure. What kind of messages have you been sending?
The above kind of messages...wanting to know why he isn't getting any
messages.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:55:00
EID:f9b0 20394ee0
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Judith Bandsma <=-
SQ> shrimp. It's GREAT." "Come on, Steve...try the eggplant. It's GREAT."
SQ> I got the point. :)
Well, Leo still tries to get me to try the smoked eel when we're in
Holland. I gag just looking at it. AND...he likes OKRA.
... Not now . . . I have to go mow the laundry.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: FOF UPDATE
|Date: 25 Jan 96 06:56:00
EID:9c9f 20393700
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Larry Sites <=-
SW> You actually cancelled your AOL membership becuase they are for Focus
SW> on the Family!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Wake up Larry! No matter what
Yeah, so did I. FoF seems to have become the censorship arm of AOL. That's
fine, they can do what they please. But they can do it without MY money
supporting them. Evidently, Larry feels the same.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 25 Jan 96 07:04:00
EID:7573 20393880
-=> Quoting Zayd Allebban to David Worrell <=-
ZA> stand for this blasphemy and if you don't want to carry on a civilized
ZA> discussion, I don't want to hear from you again.
The Barney echo is 2 flights down and through the heavy barred doors.
Grow a thicker skin or go away.
... All bigots will be reincarnated as gay, homeless people of color!
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: TEST
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:10:00
EID:0379 20394940
-=> Quoting Blanche Nonken to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
BN> no FRIGGING way. She's a couple of months old now.
Smack your computer, your hub and everyone else who kept you from sharing
all the gory details with us.
... MOM'S HINT #009: Buy a good stain remover.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: MELLOWING
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:20:00
EID:0692 20394a80
-=> Quoting David Worrell to J.j. Hitt <=-
DW> For ever and ever? He'll be back. I give him 3 months, tops.
That's about the time it's been since the last time he said he'd never
be back.
... Please, no deja vu; I don't want to go through that again.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:29:00
EID:8fd3 20394ba0
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jim Staal <=-
JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
JB> for Staal. And has all along.
JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all along...
Was this all there was, or was there more to the post? I'm taking it as
confirmation that LSM is another of Jim's personalities. In this case,
a very despicable one in light of what was said to Shelby.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: FUNDAMENTALISTS R US
|Date: 25 Jan 96 12:33:00
EID:c54d 20396420
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
js> my vision has declined with age...
PS> Hand your pathetic excuses to someone who might believe them.
Every year my glasses get stronger. So does my appetite for books. If the
day ever comes that I can no longer read the words with my eyes, I'll
start buying the audio versions. And if I can't find an audio version of
what I want, I'll get the book and some tapes and ask a friend to make
one for me. There's always a way for something you really want to do.
... Press now to access the pirate software.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: JESSE CHRIST JONES
|Date: 25 Jan 96 12:48:00
EID:c874 20396600
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> holiday, he gets paid triple time for working it. Now THERE'S a
JB> tradition to live with.
RJ> Ahh, you Calvinists...
Well, I gotta say it's pretty funny for this little ole heathen who
supposedly got her commuppance in August (I'm sure there were more than
a couple fundies chortling about the possibility of us being out in the
street) when Leo lost his job.
It looks like we're going to CLEAR an extra 15K this year. And that's
WITH paying for a second residence and the expenses of a car, which we
didn't have before. I've managed to get every one of our bills caught up
and am starting to replace the savings we had to use. By June, I should
be
able to afford the new computer I want without having to incur new debt
to
do it.
No gods required.
... You know when you're dieting when postage stamps taste good!
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:07:00
EID:6188 203968e0
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Al Schroeder <=-
SS> That would be the last thing that I would request. I encourage
SS> discussion about death....the reality vs. the christian claims.
Shelby, in case you didn't see it, I found this in another message.
Ä Area: Holy_Smoke! ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 42646 Date: 01-23-96 11:07
From: George Rudzinski Read: Yes Replied:
No
To: Jim Staal Mark:
Subj: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Judith Bandsma <=-
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Al Schroeder <=-
JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
JB> for Staal. And has all along.
JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all along...
And for one who claims to be a man of god, why are we finding out that you
are
such a liar?
george
... You, your god, and the horse you rode in on.
-!- Blue Wave/Max v2.11 [NR]
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Stuart Nacarlo
|Sub: GOD
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:10:00
EID:5c87 20396940
-=> Quoting Steve Stuart Nacarlo to Quentin Fai <=-
SSN> But that was cool. I wonder if anybody wanted you!
I'll take Quentin over you any day.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 25 Jan 96 16:19:00
EID:80d4 20398260
-=> Quoting Annette Spence to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> do I wanna know?
Sure. If, as I suspect, you do a little reading, then I am surprised that
you don't already know the answer. I'll give you a couple days to find it
(or for some enterprising soul here to bounce in with the answer) before
I tell you.
BTW, the REAL Alice B. Toklas has very little to do with the cookbook
bearing her name. Which is one of the reasons I asked the question.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HI
|Date: 25 Jan 96 16:30:00
EID:7955 203983c0
-=> Quoting Annette Spence to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> spell-check program better. And I don't HAVE one here. complain some more?>
Sure! Bitch, moan, complain, whine, all or any combination. We all do it
at one time or another. If it sounds legitimate, you'll get all the
sympathy and help you ever wanted or thought you could need. But heaven
help you if that's ALL you do, or if someone spots contradictions in your
complaining that look like you are just doing it to be doing it. That's
when the shredder effect takes place.
JB> ... Some folks look for answers...others look for fights...
JB> Ah well, guess you can't have everything. NOT a Deadhead. What a shame.
AS> Thank you, I think.
Oh dear, I guess I have to explain. (Where HAVE you been living for the
last
30 years or so that you didn't understand my reference?)
That tagline is from the song "Playin' In The Band" by the Grateful Dead.
People (like me, David Hilling, and Sean) who REALLY like the Dead's music,
are called Deadheads. I happen to like them enough that the music for my
wedding was from their "American Beauty" album. And my favorite dog's name
is Bandsma's Ramble On Rose...being one of their song titles. People often
compare the Dead to Jesus and the disciples...Deadheads would sell all they
own to follow them anywhere.
... nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile
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|From: Richard Morrison
|To: Larry Sites
|Sub: FOF=child abuse
|Date: 20 Jan 96 18:41:00
EID:cc0c 20349520
MSGID: 1:280/26 39135403
TID: InterEcho 1.16 6E011051
Larry, it's an interesting piece that you posted from the WWW. First off,
your formatting wasn't very good. Maybe you are having the same problems
that I experienced? Got any ideas? Also, I wonder, what is it that you
didn't type in from the Treaty in order to make your falicious point? Could
you post the entire UN Treaty without any deletions so that we could make
our own decision on what we think the implications of it would be without
your biased attitude coming through? Also, speaking of FOF could it be
that you would provide some information on 'their' beliefs on just how
children are to be treated. It's obvious you think that they abuse children
by your initial comments however I would like to see you quote their material
that gives that thought.
Thanks
in the service for HIS Service
Richard
* CMPQwk 1.42 130
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|From: Alan Jennings
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: ULC
|Date: 24 Jan 96 7:37:00
EID:dc82 20383ca0
MSGID: 1:3800/6 0c07719c
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31026fbd
PID: QE 2.75+ & FM 2.02
> I think the fee is $5. Just send in her name, state
> you'd like to
> make her a saint and why, and $5 to the church at:
> Universal Life Church
> 601 Mosesto St.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(incorrect street name)
> Modesto, CA
> 95351.
The Archdiocese of Cyberspace ULC can also handle this for you. The requested
donation is the same. We also issue certificates of Sainthood in the Church
of Elvis.
The Archdiocese is at 5065 Florida Blvd. Baton Rouge LA 70896.
The address of the ULC Headquarters is 601 3rd Street in Modesto.
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: flood
|Date: 23 Jan 96 04:55:31
EID:71c8 203726e0
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Andrew Masten <=-
-> On 01-19-96 05:20, Andrew Masten got back to Ryan Shaw
RS> That would still not be enough to cover everything with water. To do
RS> that, you'd need extra hydrospheres.
AM> Since I believe there's a God who designed and created the
AM> whole world I think he could manage this feat.
DC> He didnd't ask you what you thought, as such an answer would need
DC> more than a single pixel to cover everthing you have ever known.
DC> He asked you for evidence. Got any?
Do you see a question mark at the end of his statement? Ryan Shaw
wrote what he thought, I wrote what I thought. To answer your question,
the only evidence I have is testimony. In Genesis. And Jesus Christ who
said "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
For as in those days they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving
in
marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand
until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son
of man be."
Save your breath. I know you don't accept that as evidence or believe
the written account. From a scientific view, all of history is suspect,
because
it only happened once and it can't be repeated. But let me ask you a question.
Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me newspapers and video.
You could simply swear it happened. But how do I know your not just making
it up. Or the newspapers are just lying and the video was doctored.
What I would really like to know, is why your so bent out of shape
about people who believe in the bible. What doctrine is in the bible that
makes you angry. Don't you think its a good idea that we should treat others
as we would be treated? That we shouldn't lie, steal, commit murder or
be lazy? These curt one line responses are boring. Tell me where your coming
at and what you think. Then maybe a meaningful dialogue might occur.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: flood
|Date: 24 Jan 96 08:01:32
EID:2672 20384020
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-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Andrew Masten <=-
AM>-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Maria Russell <=-
KW> Now, Andrew, you will see that I made a flat statement that I do not
KW> 'tell fortunes'. I did say that I could do a cold reading, if I
KW> should take it into my head (and yes, I am good at it). And I said
KW> that I owned and used a tarot deck. I did not, repeat, not say what
I
KW> used it for.
KW> Is this sort of 'interpretive' reading how the bunch of you came up
KW> with that ridiculous flood myth, anyway?
Yup, your 100 % right!! My apologies. As to the flood, I have no
evidence apart from the bible narrative and Jesus Christ confirming it as
true also.
Out of curiosity, why bother with tarot cards then?
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: flood
|Date: 24 Jan 96 08:18:29
EID:e894 20384240
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-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Andrew Masten <=-
RJ> Or would you like to burn in Hell for all eternity? You must
RJ> realize that I, as God, can do this to your immortal soul.
RJ> Wanna try me?
He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 24 Jan 96 08:29:31
EID:76c7 203843a0
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW> 17 Jan 96 05:36, Andrew Masten wrote to Marty Leipzig:
AM> Natural science by definition precludes God.
DW> Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural sciences
DW> "preclude" God.
Huh? what does "natural science" mean to you?
DW> Supernatural agencies are excluded because we have no evidence for any
DW> supernatural agencies. Do you have any such evidence that you'd like
DW> to share?
No, there excluded because scientists don't believe the possibility
of supernatural agencies to be sceince. Which is a subjective value
judgement. I have a funny idea, why don't you tell me what you think
about the big ticket items like; why we are here, who or what caused the
big bang? what does it all mean? Then I'll ask what evidence you have to
support your point of view.
DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
No, abortionists do.
AM> If you had the slightest idea who God is, you would run to Him
AM> and not from Him.
DW> Hell, I can't even *see* him. How can I run either to or away from
DW> him?
All in due time.
DW> -!-
DW> ! Origin: (1:3615/41.11)
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 24 Jan 96 08:47:53
EID:76c7 203845e0
TID: IMAIL-386 1.75+ PK29
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> How often do you hear people say why does God allow such evil to
AM> exist? A points reached when God judges a land.
DW> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified abomionations,
DW> yet he does not judge Nazi Germany? That's a pretty fucked up God you
DW> worship.
Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond? Where is the
thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and terminated.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 24 Jan 96 08:57:59
EID:b86f 20384720
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW> 18 Jan 96 07:16, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please present
DW>> it.
AM> Yes, request denied,
DW> Why won't you present the evidence you claim to have, Andrew? Could
DW> it be because you realize you have no evidence?
As you well know, if I present evidence and then make a conclusion,
or and inference, then you respond back that all you wanted was evidence
and not a conclusion. As for you, you don't take a stand on anything, just
tear down other people's convictions, while offering nothing.
I'd just as soon not respond to you at all, but then your liable to
think your a smart guy, and then you'd really be dangerous.
DW> -!-
DW> ! Origin: (1:3615/41.11)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Rattle...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:44:16
EID:775b 20437588
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d39
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e9
PID: FM 2.02
PS> See a previous message to you. Falls under the category of leading
PS> others into sin. Stop trying to plea-bargain, Jim. It's disgusting when
PS> you haven't the integrity to admit that you fucked up and you know it.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> I don't _think_ so, Preston.
You don't _THINK_ at all. Otherwise you would not have joined that death
cult and, in any event, would have fled from it once your parents released
you.
~*~ Power is one thing...the wisdom to wield it quite another. - Satan
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HA!?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:44:47
EID:d233 20437597
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PS> Perfect? Hardly. But I didn't make the mistake of claiming a standard
PS> that I couldn't keep without fucking up at least twice a day, now did
PS> I?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Really? You claim to be a human being.
js> Yet you fail to show one ounce of compassion.
ironic coming from a homophobic bigot.
~*~ He's showing signs of CranialRectumitas, for which the only
known cure is a good swift kick in the pants. - David Strickland
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Doktor Leipzig...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:45:36
EID:b3a6 204375b2
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PID: FM 2.02
JS> Sounds like a line from some cheap 'Highlander' flick...
PS> Actually, it's a true story. But I expected no less of you
fr> than to rely on the 'tube for your cultural education.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Uh huh...as recorded by what mythologist?
Are you having difficulty keeping your mythologies straight?
~*~ Any religion that rejects coffee worships a false god. - Unknown
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Archaism...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:46:24
EID:5f08 204375cc
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d3c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ec
PID: FM 2.02
PS> Implying that the KJV is not really the word of God, Jim?
JS> Wouldn't dream of it, sir.
PS> Then why the need to rely on the NIV when anyone who can read English
PS> can understand the KJV perfectly well?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Then why is it you never really got the picture?
Why won't you answer his question?
~*~ Picking my favorite Christian is like picking my
favorite debilitating disease >> - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:47:22
EID:07be 204375eb
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d3d
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ed
PID: FM 2.02
JS> Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
Pretending to believe what you know damn well is not true.
JS> b. miracles
Ignorant superstitions.
PS> The solution:
PS> Ockham's Razor.
PS> Well, that was quick. Got anything else you'd like to
ps> send over, or was that painful enough?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Huh!? Wha!?
Yep.
~*~ Spare me the chirping birds and pretty flowers crap. - QUENTIN FAI
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Christianity...today.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:48:42
EID:e28c 20437615
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d3e
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ef
PID: FM 2.02
JS> Have I ever mentioned that I find your use of that 'h' word to be
JS> personally offensive? It is quite hypocritical of you to be
JS> continuingly calling me that.
PS> Yes, frequently, and no, it isn't. One of the tenets of my standard
is
PS> that I call attention to those who conspicuously and repeatedly
PS> violate their own with no attempt to rectify their behavior. Keep
PS> trying, hypocrite.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Check out the mirror sometime, angry man...
Sadly, it seems that homophobic bigots like you don't see their reflections
in the mirror.
~*~ And as for animal sex, I guess you've never read
alt.sex.hamster.duct-tape. - Beau Lockstal
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal RULES the toilets
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:50:29
EID:10a4 2043764e
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d3f
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PID: FM 2.02
PS> No you don't. You just sit on your fat ass and bitch about
ps> people who *do* try when all you want to do is fear people.
Innocent people, in fact, who have never harmed you and wouldn't think of
doping so.
JS> Hello!? Who am I b***hing about that are trying to do what the Bible
JS> says?
PS> Never mind. I'd tell you, but you'd go and get all pompous again.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Answer the question!
Why is it every Christanic death cultist refuses to answer questions but
then expects the better educated to repeatedly answer the same questions
over and over again? (Yes, that _is_ a rhetorical question. I know that
you, being a Christanic death cultist, are unauthorized to answer that question.)
~*~ If Adolph Hitler accepted Christ, the Bible is clear on that
subject! He will go to heaven. - Jerry Wilcox
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: SATAN!?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:51:27
EID:1aaa 2043766d
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d40
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0f1
PID: FM 2.02
LC> "Do what thou wilt."
RB> Interesting tag line. Are you a satanist? I recognize
rb> it from the satanic bible.
js> I have never heard of nor would I ever read the satanic bible.
No doubt because you are frightened by it as per your master's programming.
~*~ Stand in the sun from sun-up to sun-down and then try to say you
didn't get mutated by the Ultraviolet-Radiation. - James Conwell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Staals lies go unrecorded
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:53:53
EID:ea2d 204376ba
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d41
PID: FM 2.02
I mistakenly erased over 1100 HolySmoke messages so they didn't get into
the archives. Alas. We should think of setting someone else up as an alternate
HS Archiver. If anyone uses *.MSG format message editing/reading and has
enough spare floppies, I can send you the EB.ZIP package which creates the
archives. We really should have an alternate so that Christanic lies don't
go unpunished.
~*~ Why don't you just hang a sign around your neck that says "STUPID"?
- Styx Allum
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Staal in india - 4 of 4
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:34:58
EID:73cd 2043845d
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d42
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3109633a
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I avoided going to India and, if the need arises again, I will try my
FR> best not to go again unless I must. Though I enjoyed India very much
FR> and the government was very helpful, taking three days to get their
is
FR> rough and exhausting.
[...cuts...]
sa> Fascinating. Thanks for sharing an account of your trip, Fred.
sa> Though it gives those of us who don't get to travel as much as we like
sa> (ah, hell, I'd spend my entire life just travelling and seeing
sa> different places if I could - I'm just sorry we don't have
sa> interstellar travel yet so I could have at least a chance of checking
sa> out other planets, too) "itchy foot syndrome", it's at least enjoyable
sa> to read the personal experiences of those who've been there.
SWe've got Japan coming up in two months, London in the forseeable future,
and Australia after that. The most foreign country will probably be Australia.
}:-}
sa> And if any of you regular-travelling blokes need an
sa> assistant some time in the future, I'm game and free to move about -
sa> and I don't need to be paid a salary - just pay my overseas passage,
sa> and I'll be more than happy to work it off (NO lewd comments from the
sa> peanut gallery, please. I'm not into THAT type of "work".) :)
Yeah? In fact the first time I went to Japan with PK, we hired
a consultant simply to stand between PK and myself so I wouldn't kill him.
The consultant ended up being quite the loud-mouthed American and I was
very embarrassed.
On Monday I will be interviewing a guy I used to work with in Holland.
If he signs on with the company, he and I will be going back to India for
two weeks. When he was in Holland, though, his wife threatened to divorce
him if he didn't come back to the United States. My wife also had a very
difficult time when I was walking all over Holland working on things.
If you're a programmer, we'll hire you and you can come!
~*~ You have a problem being labeled findi yet you have no problem
labeling people "sinners" - Larry Sites
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Staal of india - 4 of 4
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:36:12
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sa> --Wolfie
sa> To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see
sa> your soul - just be sure something you want
sa> to view is there.
BTW: I liked your cartoons VERY much. The fundy Jehova Witless hardware
grunt at work thought they were "Satanic," though.
~*~ JESUS CHRIST WILL COME, WETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. - Leonard Bernier
He sure is taking a long time. I'm quite sore. - Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brian Kolacy
|Sub: American Staal Atheists
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:37:59
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bk> Hail All!
Hey, man! Where the fuck you been?
> brian.kolacy@leading.org
> http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
A lot of us meet on #holysmoke on IRC off of undernet.org, by the way, every
night at 8:00p.m. pacific.
~*~ As for the road map, those roads are paved with the bodies of more
than one person who died not for your religion, but because of it.
- Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Just like a Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:30:07
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A> So, I leave you with a decision, actually a couple. Apologize to me,
A> in a letter to all, and also send me a message addressed to myself
A> that you did,
Such the big donky, boy.
A> I can send out a great
A> negativity which could cause random results,
Do it, you fuck. Do it to me.
A> but I do not wish to cause you excruciating harm, merely
a> to show you what I could do, if that is what you wish.
Go for it, dick suck. I'm waiting.
A> So, tell me what your desire is, and I'll give it to you.
How about a little suicide for you? Better yet, give me your parent's telephone
number so I can tell them what their little boy is saying over their computer.
~*~ That's it for now. I must get back to a real world. - James Randi.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal fucks up. But not here.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:31:35
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JG>> I want to let you know that God is VERY real, and He loves you all.
AGS> He is indeed very Real, but there is no way you can claim -
ags> contrary to what He has clearly stated, that `He loves you
ags> all'. He does NOT.
sq>
It's cool to watch cultists argue about their deity constructs. Let's hope
they kill each other -- and one or two lawyers that they happen across along
the way.
~*~ Furthermore, if evolution were true, evolution would be natural.
There weren't chemist and biologists around 3000 million years
ago to direct it. - Bruce Willis
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: promise keepers like Saal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:36:22
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jS> Promise Keepers is an organization for and of men designed
js> to help men become more spiritually awakened
Translation: To brainwash men into dehumanizing their wives.
js> to help them be more attentive to the needs of their family
Translation: To by tyranical despot dictators in their own homes.
js> to honor, respect and love their wives
Translation: By getting them out of the work place and into the kitchens
where they belong. Shoeless to boot. (A pun, you see.)
js> and to relate more fully to God,
js> themselves and their fellow man - all through the grace
js> and knowlege of their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Translation: And use deity constructs to justify their anti-women actions.
gtp> He neglected that part about "reclaiming their rightful place
gtp> as head of the household" which involves "freeing" their wives
gtp> from any dirty nasty feminist ideas about women having rights.
Not to mention having the right to make decisions for themselves. Not to
mention having the right to defend themselves against beatings and having
the right to go to the police to file charges. No True Promise Keeper would
EVER allow "his woman" to file charges.
~*~ And as you can see, he's simply not up to badgering escapees
while his severed head is sitting on a plate besides him. - Fred Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Staal's myths have two conflicting geneologies, though.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:40:53
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gt> This reminded me of a show I watched last night on TLC. It was an
gt> episode of Ancient Worlds entitled "Secrets of the Templar". The
gt> narrator made an interesting case for the Grail actually being the
gt> bloodline of Jesus. He said that Jesus was alledgedly a direct
gt> descendent of King David. He indicated that what Jesus's followers
saw
[...cuts...]
Very interesting. I cross posted it to MYTHOLOGY and saved a copy.
The Jesus myth, though, had two contradictory geneologies.
~*~ We got you, Jesse. You belong to us now. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Laser tech
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:45:53
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DR> Maybe I'll do an Internet search on "spy AND satellite" and
DR> see what shows up. I consider it an extraordinary claim,
DR> but one never knows.
jjh> I agree. Looking down INTO the atmosphere presents the same optical
jjh> problems that looking up OUT of it presents. If it was simply a
jjh> matter of computer enhancing the images, the Hubble telescope would
jjh> be totally unnecessary.
Hubble already is unnecessary. The CCD telecopes in Hawii are capable of
Hubble-level deep-space astronomy. The software which runs on the data
does exclude atmospheric distortion entirely and the CCD scopes are often
coupled to the DSN to provide extreme VLBI astronomy. In fact, when it
was shown how well the Hawii telescopes were working, projects to place
an optical scope on the far side of the Moon was scrapped as unneeded.
~*~ Freedom of religion refers to denominations of the Christian
faith, not spreading out a rug and praying to Allah or Satan.
- James Robertson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Scientology
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:48:40
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DR> ANDRE TABAYOYON AFFIDAVIT (PART IV) and ANDRE TABAYOYON AFFIDAVIT
DR> CD - 13 19 August 1994
DR> [cuts]
jjh> CUTS! CUTS! CUTS! ALWAYS WITH THE FUCKING CUTS!
jjh> Do you know where I can get these documents in their complete
jjh> and unsanitized form?
Request F102-890.ZIP or magic name FILES from my system. There are over
800 files in my $cientology archives. You could GREP for "ANDRE" or "affidavit."
~*~ Davey, you only have two functioning brain cells. It's such a
pity that they reuse to talk to each other. - Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Wacky Germans: Almost as good as Staal!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:58:57
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> Unfortunately, he was spotted by a group of student pranksters
> who removed his trousers, painted his bottom bright blue, stuck
> a daffodil between his buttocks, and erected a sign saying:
> `Germany Resurgent. An Essay in Street Art. Please Give Generously.'
> Passersby assumed Mr. Burpus' screams were part of the act,
> and it was only when an old woman complained to the police
> that he was finally freed. `I kept calling for help,' he said,
> `but people just said, "Very good, very clever!" and threw
> coins at me.'"
ROFL!
~*~ ... In Jesus Christ name I bind all evil sprits off of this echo NOW.
- Steve Willis
I'm melting, melting . . . - Kevin D. Mckenzie
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Cops Take Fred Rice Down! Staal fucks himself.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 18:02:35
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kw> Or the 'Big Bang' theory? Now, Fred, you haven't
kw> been bowing down to street lights in front of them, have you?
FR> That was a different problem and it happened in Holland.
kw> You do realize that with a leading statement like that I have
kw> no choice but to ask 'what ever do you mean'. So, what ever
kw> do you mean?
That was when a customer caught me howling at a lightbulb.
~*~ How about informing us then what the Muslim view of sex is? - Steve
B.
That depends upon whether the camel is standing or sitting down. - Fred
R.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Woops! IRC server
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:32:47
EID:cc20 20443c17
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FR> I forget to mention which IRC server #holysmoke is on.
FR> It's undernet.org. Questor Thew has been on regularly
FR> as "stargoat," my son as Abacus, and myself as SlideRule.
FR> You all remember Questor, don't you? Also known as Kenneth Caveness.
kw> Would you have a telenet address for that?
I don't know what that is. Is that like an IP address?
~*~ Daddy didn't give affection and the boy was something that Mommy
wouldn't wear. - Pearl Jam
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Staal really fucks up
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:34:19
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JS> Uh huh...you know this 'Bill the Cat' character must
js> be of regional fame. I have never heard of him.
FR>
kw> Bill the Cat was a character in 'Bloom County'.
FR> Did any heathen _not_ know that?
kw> I'll just assume that the local paper was Of too high an
kw> intellectual standard for that 'english major' to tackle.
Okay, then I'll just assume that his mommy doesn't read the comics for him.
}:-}
~*~ Take away the intimidation of children--sexual, mental and
emotional--and watch church membership drop. - Don Martin
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:36:01
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GR> Sorry, no bitterness.
JS> Liar! Every post you write oozes with bitterness and bile...
GR> I ask that in the name of the Son
JG> of the Living God. Amen.
GR> Fuck Him and you, Amen.
GR> Shorter prayer, same outcome.
JS> Liar! Blasphemer!
js> You left out: Pagan Atheist Human sludge pit Neanderthal
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Snake Dung Belly Crawler Scum Sucker
Your hatred is in fine form this morning, I see.
~*~ I have no animals or slime in my ancestory. - Deeann Gatchell
Your descendants wont be able to make that claim. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Staal's a "Satanist"
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:37:25
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> -=> Quoting Robert Berndt to Jim Staal <=-
jb> ^^^^^^^^^
RB> Interesting tag line. Are you a satanist?
rb> I recognize it from the satanic bible.
jb> This is the best one liner (I don't care if
jb> it IS 3 sentences) I've seen in a long time.
I could understand why someone would think Staal a "Satanist."
~*~ You got to remember, though, that if locusts and other animals are
unclean, where did they come from? How could a perfect god make vile
creatures that his pets couldn't touch? - Dan Ceppa
Maybe they were a by product of creation? - Bill Wolff
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Parker lunacy much like Staal's
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:50:42
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me> Really... I've been seeing those robo-posts for something
me> like two years now and I had no idea he(?) was an Xian.
FR> After two years of right-wing lunacy mouthing the extremist
FR> rhetoric, it was a given. Linda Thompson and her cult are
FR> also right-wing Christanic extremists.
jjh> Nah, Thompson is a UFO-crystal-weenie. She's big on the folks
jjh> who "channel" messages from some space muffin that goes by
jjh> the name of Cosmic Awareness.
I wish I had time to sort through Idiot_UFO and some of the other
lunatic forums. It's just that there rarely seems to be anything new posted
worth saveing and I end up erasing all the messages without reading them
after awhile.
jjh> I suppose she might call herself a Christian, but I doubt
jjh> that most groups would have anything to do with her.
Linda Thompson and her group try to play down the religious motivations,
though. She pretends she's an "acting general" in some kind og One True
American Government fighting against the illegal government. I think the
bitch is engaged in what believers in "Satanic Ritual Abuse" did after they
learned their religious beliefs weren't being taken seriously: Change their
public tune and exclude everything religious in their words. Believers
in SRA changed their tune to "Sexual Ritual Abuse" and I think Linda Thompson
and her little ban of lunatics also learned to keep quiet about their religious
motivations as well.
jjh> Theologically, she's WAY OUT there with Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
jjh> Jesus is only a bit player in a pantheon of hundreds.
I wonder if that really detracts from her being considered a Christian.
David Koresh thought he was (or claimed he was) the dead "Jesus" myth yet
I would still consider him a Christian since he subscribed to the myth.
~*~ An argument for limited omniscience could be made. - Dan Lafferty
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:56:47
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a>> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse
a>> you, and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man
A>> you would admit your actions) I damn you.
A>> See you in Hell!
FR> A troll, perhaps.
jjh> You always say that.
Yep.
jjh> It would save bandwidth if you'd just tell when you think a
jjh> newcomer ISN'T a troll. (A term that I feel has been overworked
jjh> to the point of being meaningless.)
This clown is something new yet exhibits much of the characteristics of
fundy newbies that waltz through here. (I think that since HolySmoke has
been a part of FidoNet for some fix or six years now, just about every fundy
has learned to avoid it.)
What _wouldn't_ be a possible troll is someone who comes in and responds
to messages growing more rabid and irrational as time passes. I think that
if they come in and are ranting lunatics from get-go, the chance of them
being a troll seems higher than not.
~*~ I am not a bozo - Dan Lafferty
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Staal works for the ACLU?
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:03:57
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FR> Then I saw them launch suit against schools in California when
FR> they tried to impliment a school uniform. Now I have NO respect
FR> for the fucking ACLU.
jjh> Why?
jjh> Dress is a form of self expression, and as such is protected speech.
When I was in High School children didn't have the right of expression and
free speech. And we weren't being killed for our jackets, sweaters, and
shoes. Gangs/clubs of kids have always been wearing their "colors" to distinguish
themselves from the rest but in the past kids didn't take guns to school
and knife each other just because they are wearing "rival" gang/club "colors."
No one's rights would be violated to impose a dress code. That's as illogical
as demanding that forcing children to go to school is against their Constitutional
right to freedom. Minors have few rights and freedom of speech isn't one
of them.
~*~ Be blessed. - Marguerite Kendall
Bite me. - Drew Webber
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Staal's bigotry
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:14:49
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dc> Is it Staal the misogynist? Not this time, folks, it's Staal the bigot.
JS> from him. It is obvious from your own statement that your man (jew
JS> boy whoever) got _his_ ideas from the Bible. That is also where Jesus
dc> You bigotry shows through, quite well.
dc> You are one sick bastard, Staal.
There's an understatement. I'll bet you it gets worse as his medication
problem goes on and on.
~*~ By the way, I could prove Carl Sagan wrong, but
what would it get me? - Bill Wolff
Debunked, as usual. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Parker lunacy like Staal's
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:16:54
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FR> After two years of right-wing lunacy mouthing the extremist rhetoric,
FR> it was a given. Linda Thompson and her cult are also right-wing
FR> Christanic extremists. They try very hard to downplay the fact that
FR> their religion is the cause for their beliefs.
rj> I understand there's a connection to Linda Thompson with some
rj> of the fruitcakes on Idiot_UFO. Gl*nda St*cks seems to be an
rj> unabashed fan of the Little Generalissima--and I think 'twas
rj> JJ who mentioned the Thompsonites have some sort of plan that
rj> involves the arrival of the Photon Belt.
Yeah, JJ gave me the run-down a few messages back. The "Jesus" myth just
seems to her to be one of the many aliens/prophets she believes in.
~*~ The rightous remain memory resident forever, the wicked
are saved to punched tape. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: Al Schroeder
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:17:56
EID:3cd6 2044423c
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> All right, you godless heathens, what have you done with/to Al?
>
> I see posts TO him but none FROM him so I can only conclude
> some godless athiest has done him in.
>
> 'Fess up! Who dunnit?
'Twas logic what killed him.
~*~ "And you have no proof that the Mutant Cosmic Star Goat (Braise His
Mane!!) didn't eat Yahweh, have Jesus for dessert, get really bad
gas, and now you worship a smelly methane cloud." -- Quentin Fai
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: HolySmoke Central Committee (Staal not invited)
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:24:29
EID:66ea 2044430e
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FR> 00000 0000 00000 The blasphemy _continues_ every day on
FR> 0 0 0 0 Internet Relay Chat channel #holysmoke
FR> 0 0000 0
FR> 0 0 0 0 ! ! !
FR> 00000 0 0 00000
dr> And a pleasent experience it is, too. As you noticed later,
dr> you did not say who was hosting the channel--- Undernet.
That's because I had no idea a server was needed.
~*~ Stick to lawyering, Jesse. As an anthropologist, you'd make a
great pastry chef. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: And Staal's one of them
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:29:46
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dr> They, with the reformers such as Luther, saw that the
dr> embracing of heliocentrism would weaken not only science,
dr> but also the authority of the Bible.
This is SO cool! Since the truth contradicts their mythologies,
toss the truth out.
~*~ I don't want a couple of skunks fighting over your ears in
my backyard. :) - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Free Jim Staal!
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:38:54
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FR> I wonder if he was capable of honesty _before_ he became a cultist.
FR> since I would like to know what leads a person to become like Staal.
FR> Chances are he got got his bogotry and cultism from his parents.
dc> Could be. And, he's not getting any better.
He really should go back on his medication for his own good. I can't help
but feel that we'll read about him in the papers some day.
dc> He's beginning to reek of anti-Semitism to add alongside his misogyny.
BEGINNING? His rants using the name Mabon have been going on for _years_.
FR> He's the second fundy we know of who stated they got off their
FR> medication. Both have _deeply_ disturbed personalities.
dc> And, holding to form, his posts have degenerated far
dc> below what anyone would have thought possible.
I wonder if when he gets to the Stringfellow Limit he'll start to be amusing
again. }:-}
dc> He's claiming he has a new GIF that shows him and his inbred
dc> brother in it. If it's real, my guess is that it's his twin
FR> Woopie stick. I can scan photographs of workers and myself I took in
FR> Holland and claim the guy next to me is my brother. I wouldn't do it
FR> because it's a lie.
dc> Well, the idiot at least admitted that he is Lon S. Mabon.
dc> Perhaps he'll get around to admitting that he's the Lump as well.
I suspect that eventually his lunatic ego will force him to make that admission.
~*~ The punched dead are then sent to the Lord of Off-Site Storage:
SA/TAN (Sequential Access / Tape Archive Nexus) SA/TAN was once
a trusted and useful servant, but he lost parity. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Poofter of Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:40:29
EID:9c8b 2044450e
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876040
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 31077153
PID: FM 2.02
GK> Dear Frederick, Have you considered the second law of thermodynamics?
Neat!
dm> OK, Gang! Any bets on how many times we have seen THIS
dm> gambit in the past year? I would guess 24, out of a sense
dm> that the average is roughly twice a month.
I haven't seen a fundy try to use thermodynamics in about two or three months.
I thought these lunatics _finally_ might have learned something. (But then
I don't read every message.) }:-}
~*~ The truth that disturbs you must be dealt with
somehow, so you call it bashing. - Robert Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Satanist
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:41:39
EID:3191 20444533
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876041
PID: FM 2.02
FR> What were these "satanic rituals" that you performed?
sq> Mine were "Thinking for one's self" and "Engaging in
sq> sexual intercourse for pleasure." How about you?
Going to the public library, acquireing an education, and, like you, learning
to think for myself.
We're damned.
~*~ Come for me, pink boy. - Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Gods, not Staals
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:42:13
EID:58ee 20444546
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876042
PID: FM 2.02
CM> Show your intelligence again, please.
cm> It's not very smart to worship a rock.
FR> Whereas you worship paper.
sq> Does that mean that I worship scissors?
You're damned for that one, too. }:-}
~*~ But no one has proved that the Bible is *not* God's Word, have
they ? That's what I mean when I say that faith is more
powerful than logic. - Edward Hopkins
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Godless Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:45:06
EID:a2e2 204445a3
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876043
PID: FM 2.02
SSN> HE GAVE US HIS ONLY SON
DR> AND NO ONE WANTS HIM.
sq> BUT WE WANTED A DAUGHTER.
BUT WE'LL SETTLE FOR A GOAT.
~*~ That proliferative query is as ambiguious as your probable parentage.
- Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Metafundy reStaal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:46:47
EID:3e7b 204445d7
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876044
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 61105160
PID: FM 2.02
FR> We never got ANYTHING reasonable out of him... nothing which
FR> would indicate what the clown was talking about.
mg> Why don't I make book on these things?
You know, I was thinking about just this. When a fundi newbie comes aboard,
we could start a poll in email in private on when the fuck will flee the
hurtful light of truth. No money, though, but just friendly bets.
~*~ Running DOS on a system with 16 megs is like using the Bible as a
guide for day to day life. - C. J. Henshaw
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:50:52
EID:3cea 2044465a
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876045
PID: FM 2.02
bj> I truly feel sorry for you, because you don't believe in Jesus!!
I'm truely sorry for you because you don't believe in Odin.
No difference, Brad.
~*~ I still wonder why natural selection has not yet found you and
corrected its great mistake. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Ignorance (Don't forget Staal)
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:51:42
EID:89e1 20444675
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876046
PID: FM 2.02
bj> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
It would probably help you to think for yourself, you know.
~*~ I am telepathic. I am greatly feared by many who I have
demonstrated the ability to. They run like hell and stay
as far away from me as they can. - Pat Parrinello
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: For your info... Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:53:38
EID:6a72 204446b3
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876047
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 7f94cf01
PID: FM 2.02
mb> The January Church & State reports that paid membership in the
mb> Christian Coalition fell from 353,703 in September 1994 to
mb> 310,296 in September 1995.
And HolySmoke helped its decline greatly.
~*~ We're unravelling your clown suit right now - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Holiday Greetings... Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:56:17
EID:7c7c 20444708
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876048
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31076de2
PID: FM 2.02
sq> Let me ask you this then; What would it take to get you to believe?
A poor education, superstitious dred, ignorance, and superstition.
What would it take for me to get you to believe in Odin?
~*~ It's the thinking about things that's dangerous to christianity.
- jonny vee
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:57:02
EID:6d28 20444721
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876049
PID: FM 2.02
A> For future reference: I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU
a> WRITE OFF-TOPIC to David Worrell <=-
A> AGAIN. NOW FOR MY ANSWER:
as> Ooooohhhh, David, he's having an ABSOLUTE hissy-fit. What a threat!
FR> That's nothing. He "cursed" JJ Hitt -- just like any Christian with
FR> his back to a wall. I asked for one. }:-}
as> I will ignore the "any Christian with his back to the wall" since you
Of course you will. Like any Christian you'll ignore the hurtful, embarrassing
truth.
~*~ You know next to nothing about the theory like every other Fundie
I've run across before you. - George Rudzinski. Then you obviously
have meet some very knowledgeable fundies. - Raoul Newton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Staal's flood of ignorance
|Date: 04 Feb 96 11:39:14
EID:306f 20445ce7
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b982a
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89130F7C
PID: FM 2.02
RJ> realize that I, as God, can do this to your immortal soul.
RJ> Wanna try me?
AM> He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.
You just called your deity construct a fool.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 27 Jan 96 14:50:00
EID:bcf1 203b7640
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-> On 01-24-96 08:18, Andrew Masten got back to Robert Jackson
RJ> realize that I, as God, can do this to your immortal soul.
RJ> Wanna try me?
AM> He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.
Care to prove that Robert is not god?
After all, if he is as he says, you just called your God a fool
and have condemned yourself to hell. Don't forget to take your
marshmallows. They don't have a catering service.
... Are you really THAT stupid, or do you have to work at it?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Judgement
|Date: 27 Jan 96 18:46:00
EID:6fd7 203b95c0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F7D
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 01-25-96 01:28, Steve Wallis got back to J.j. Hitt
SW> knowledge of warfare. In Christ Jesus's name I pray.
JH> Fight, kill and mutilate for JESUS!
JH> YAY! YAY! YAY!
SW> In the Bible it states "Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war in
SW> the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty
That sure goes along way in explaining those "ice cream socials"
called the Crusades.
... EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 27 Jan 96 18:52:00
EID:bd2e 203b9680
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F7E
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-> On 01-26-96 00:26, Robert Jackson got back to J.j. Hitt
JH> book that made the "Bilderberg Group" a favorite of the Nutso
JH> Right).
RJ> What's the Bilderberg?
It's the town that's fully populated with constuction workers...
... And Jim Jones took the cup, gave thanks, and said "take this ..."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Marty! Marty!
|Date: 27 Jan 96 18:55:00
EID:7d11 203b96e0
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-> On 01-25-96 13:31, Lynda Bustilloz got back to Preston Simpson
JS> Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty and
JS> instead you cut me once again ...
PS> Aw, whassamatter? Did little Jimmy get his poor little ego bruised
PS> again?
LB> "congenital"?
Don't question the 'English Major'. He knows what he's doing,
at least as long as the function in question is controlled only
by his medula oblangata. As to higher brain functions, it's
quite apparent that there aren't any.
... "I'd be 'Erudite' if I knew what the fuck it meant..." Jim Staaled
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: paul
|Date: 27 Jan 96 19:16:00
EID:cfbe 203b9a00
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F80
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-> On 01-24-96 15:34, John Prewett got back to David Worrell
JP> Paul was legally a Roman citizen,....
JP> but mentally/culturally, he was Jew through and through.
Not likely, considering that he was born in Tarsus. Even less
likely, in agreeing to eat "unclean" food.
Yea, Prewitt, I know... "opinion noted".
That's all you ever come up with in replies.
... "It is Written." Translation: "It is rotten."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: Santic Curse - Past D
|Date: 27 Jan 96 19:44:00
EID:8b5a 203b9d80
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F81
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-> On 01-25-96 16:24, Asmodeus got back to J.j. Hitt
J> A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
J> A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
As> I dont have time to respond to your incompetent babblings, read my
As> previous message to you and pick a response from there.
May I call you Ass for short?
Thank you...
IOW, Ass, your curse didn't work and you are back peddling so
hard that you set your sneakers on fire.
... +Origin: COLOSTOMY NETWORK: Shitbags for the Lord!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 27 Jan 96 19:50:00
EID:387e 203b9e40
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F82
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-> On 01-25-96 01:42, Kevin D. Mckenzie got back to David Worrell
DW> JS>> Mind like a finely tuned Detroit behemouth...
DW> SQ> Let me guess...your mind was a "Monday model," right?
DW>It's a Gremlin.
KDM> Nope. A Pinto.
After it was rear-ended by a Kay-Dub...
... Compost...because a rind is a terrible thing to waste!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Jan 96 19:52:00
EID:1531 203b9e80
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F83
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-> On 01-26-96 09:39, Steve Quarrella got back to Lump
SQ> Er, did we see the same movie?
MNost likely not, as your brain was active...
SQ> Let me guess: Harrison Ford said "The horror...the horror," right?
No, that was said by Les Nessman.
... "Honest to God, Big Guy, I thought turkeys could fly..." Herb Tarlick
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Test
|Date: 27 Jan 96 19:57:00
EID:684d 203b9f20
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 89130F84
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-> On 01-25-96 20:03, Karen Davis got back to All
KD> This is a test of my new setup.
Too bad it didn't work...
KD> My bbs has had some problems, and is considering going down,
Don't leave straightlines like that! I'd say you know owe me
one, but that now makes two!
KD> so I went ahead and got my own node number... :)
KD> ! Origin: The Hobbit Hole (1:207/212)
Bilbo would be proud of you.
... "Cut life support to all quarters with fundys." -Picard
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Light
|Date: 28 Jan 96 00:48:00
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-> On 01-25-96 09:07, Brad Jackson got back to All
BJ> Greetings One and All!
BJ> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
BJ> I would like to share it with you to save you time looking it
Did you fall on a rock, or make your god up as you go along?
... He who lives by the salad bar dies by the salad bar. - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:22:00
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-> On 01-23-96 23:00, Coridon Henshaw got back to Dan Ceppa
CH> Jimbo didn't say or imply that GT was at fault for her ex beating her.
CH> He only implies that the ex was 'smart' for beating here. While a very
CH> vile statement, it doesn't appear to be blaming the victim (by my
CH> reading of it, anyways).
I still read it a bit differntly, in that the statement does imply
that the ex beat Gwenny for her "being 'too smart'"
CH> "Ahhhh, I recognize this. This is the way my ex would talk before he
CH> beat me for being "too smart"." - Gwen Todd
CH> "Sounds like he was the smart one. Wha'd you follow that act with?
I
CH> don't know. I wasn't there. There ain't a story that donesn't hve two
In any event, the statement from Staal is, in the very least, vile.
... "Vehemence is no guarantee of truth." - Isaac Asimov
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Baking bread
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:28:00
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-> On 01-25-96 22:28, Gwenny The Pooh got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Did he remember the beer and taco chips? If so, all should be
DC> forgiven! Now, if he forgot the salsa, that's another story!
GTP> Well, we still have part of a mini keg of home brew in the fridge,
so
GTP> we don't need so stinking pastuerized stuff from the store. And I
I'm going to have to look into that one of these days. Sounds like
a fun thing to do. My Dad used to make wine. One of his rubbarb
wines was nice and smooth, and not overly sweet...
GTP> kinds in the fridge at the moment. Ever tried Religious Experience
Hot
GTP> Sauce?? Let's just say I used the "hot" variety to break the dogs
of
One of the guys at work brought in "The World's Hottest Salsa".
Too bad it didn't live up to its name. The hot food affianados(?)
found it very mild. It did, however, have a great taste...
... The Roadkill Cafe 'You Kill It... We Grill It!'
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:37:00
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-> On 01-24-96 19:40, John Prewett got back to Dan Ceppa
MH> Should Jewish employers be compelled to hire neo-Nazis?
DC> No, Michael, it's still the same.
JP> No. Distinguishing color is NOT the same
JP> as distinguishing between belief systems.
DC> As long as the neo-Nazi does not use his working time time to
DC> promote his brand of thought, there is no reason that he
DC> should not be hired if qualified for the position.
JP> Later, when the local newspaper does an article about local
JP> neo-Nazis, and the employee's name and picture [perhaps in
JP> uniform giving the Nazi salute] is in the local newspapter,
JP> then the Jewish business owner isn't supposed to notice ?
Notice above, John. I noted quite strongly that the place of
business was not to be used as a way to promote the employee's
point of view.
JP> So if you owned a business, you should be compelled to hire
JP> an other-wise qualified Bible thumper, as long as the Bible
If the person was qualified, I would not be "compelled", as I
would have hired a compitent employee.
JP> People can't really compartalize their thinking that neatly.
You seem to be having a major problem with that, John. The place
I work at has a stance where it will allow the posting of any
neutral poster. It will not allow any information posted on a
political or religious basis, regardless if that flyer in
agreement with their personal views or not.
When it's time for elections, the only thing allowed are "Vote!"
and petitions, any petition. No one is forced to sign the petitions,
nore a they told to push any of them.
... "It's easier to keep a slave if that slave is ignorant of freedom" KW
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Dan's inellect...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:00:00
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-> On 01-25-96 03:41, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
Which idiot Staal is attempting to communicate this time around?
DC> you stupid twerp.
JS> Ahh...makes you proud, doesn't it, Dan? You are one bright boy. you
JS> can't even spell your expletives properly...
Finally figure out how your text editor works, Jimbo? Took you
long enough. Or, did you have a 2 yo help you?
Then again, you have already demonstrated that you can edit
other peoples posts and make them say what you want them
to, haven't you, Bro Jim.
... "I'd be 'Erudite' if I knew what the fuck it meant..." Jim Staaled
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:07:00
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-> On 01-23-96 04:55, Andrew Masten got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> He asked you for evidence. Got any?
AM> question, the only evidence I have is testimony. In Genesis. And Jesus
No, Andrew, that's not testimmony. You don't even have a positive
identification on any of the authors of the books in your bible.
AM> Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me newspapers and
It didn't. I'm god and I made that yesterday appear to have happened
to you.
AM> What I would really like to know, is why your so bent out of
AM> shape about people who believe in the bible. What doctrine is in the
I'm not. I find them to be a lot of fun to watch as they spin in
circles and try to make it fit into a reality that disowns it.
AM> should treat others as we would be treated? That we shouldn't lie,
AM> steal, commit murder or be lazy? These curt one line responses are
Thing is, you dont' need your bible to tell you that. Common
sense dictates it, not some god that can't even dictate a bible
without errors, lies and contradictions.
... Belief without evidence is no more than self delusion.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Re: forgiveness available
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:18:00
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-> On 01-25-96 19:40, Hector Plasmic got back to Dan Ceppa
DW>>> Staal's so far out there he gets his own light cone diagram.
ML>> Hmmm...a "dark cone" diagram?
DC> Doens't matter all that much, just as lone as it's cone shaped...
HP> You've been glodbreged.
Most likely, but it's hard to type when I was laughing so hard...
\ /
\ Light /
\ cone /
\ /
Staal \ / Staal
\ /
\ /
\ /
\/
Actually, I was thing more like something along this line:
/\
/ \
/ \
/ ^ ^ \
/ o o \
| + |
| == |
\____/
... "I'd be 'Erudite' if I knew what the fuck it meant..." Jim Staaled
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:25:00
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-> On 01-25-96 13:58, Kenneth Mcabee got back to David Worrell
DW> No, Ken, we can't. Where's our evidence, you ask? Got a mirror?
KM> Where's your evidence that a God who can ANYTHING doesn't exist?
Why does your "god that can do anything" allow kids to
starve in Africa?
... +Origin: FAITH HEALING NETWORK: Killing children in the name of Jesus!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jesus Christ
|Sub: Jesus's Birthday
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:32:00
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-> On 01-23-96 22:32, Jesus Christ got back to Dan Ceppa
Will the real Jesus Christ (shit, that hurt)
please stand up? (Just saw the Blues Brothers again)
Fuckin' penguin...
BTW, did you know that that movie has an R Rating???? Can you
do something about that?
DC> You forgot to mention that you also have that rectal problem of
DC> all the people in you.
JC> Don't tell anyone this, but I made a pact with Satan. All these fundi
JC> idiots who claim to be 'in Him' are going to be sent directly to Hell.
Hope that helps. Maybbe they will at least learn to use condoms.
Also, how's your hemmhoroids?
... "We're on a mission from God." - Blues Brothers
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: love
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:43:00
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-> On 01-21-96 21:21, Rob Burcham got back to Michael Hardy
RB> BTW, just for clarification, would you explain in 25 words or
RB> less, 'why you love Dan Ceppa'?
What's this? The Holy Dating Game?
"Uhhh, I'll pick Heathan Number Two.."
... "Oh, fuck!", yelled Pooh, as he found his bourbon had turned to scotch
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:47:00
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-> On 01-25-96 06:11, Marilyn Burge got back to Judith Bandsma
JB> Only another month and a half and 85 posts per day before Maria
JB> understands (or says she does) just where she screwed up.
MB> And, as usual, I'm holding my breath waiting for the little
MB> lightbulb to go on over her head.
Better yet, string a carbon filament between her ears and apply
current.
After all, it worked for Edison!
... Coprolite: geological jargonese for "tough shit".
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Quoting
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:53:00
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-> On 01-24-96 17:07, Don Martin got back to Jose Gomez
DM> Jose Gomez said "White-lighter Religions" to Dan Ceppa, and added:
SA> so, do you get bottom or top in this relationship of yours, or do
JG> you do it on your knees?
JG>
JG> When will you answer with an actual ANSWER? Your power and choice of
JG> words does NOTHING. ^^^^^
DM> Well, well, well--you have actually managed to QUOTE
DM> something. But notice that you still don't have it quite
DM> right: Dan's (for some reason identified as "SA" above) is
You have to admit, though, that the poor bugger does at least
recognize my power!
... "Unleash the atheists! Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!" - PS
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Larry Sites
|Sub: Taking a break
|Date: 28 Jan 96 11:57:00
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-> On 01-25-96 09:26, Larry Sites got back to All
LS> I'm taking a break from the Smoke. It has become clear to me that
LS> most christians are so deluded that they will never abandon their
Well, Lary, when you find another feed, please consider yourself
a welcome resident, not a guest!
LS> My bbs system operator may be quitting anyway, so this seems like a
Is that a new version of Shenism?
LS> with my time and computer. Now is the chance to get in any uncontested
LS> parting shots as I may or may not check back so if you got anything
to
Just took it!
... The "Dark Ages" are alive and well in the mind of Fundamentalists
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 28 Jan 96 12:07:00
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-> On 01-24-96 08:29, Andrew Masten got back to David Worrell
DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
AM>
AM> No, abortionists do.
Seems like the benighted xians do their fair share of killing
doctors. Do you have any evidence that an abortionists has ever
killed a child? Seems like the person would have been tried
for murder, or something of the sort and convicted of the same...
BTW, 2 out of every 3 pregnancies results in a spontaneous
abortion or a miscarriage. Has your god been brought up on
charges? Seems like he is the largest abortion provider going.
... "Bother" said Pooh as the Christians lit the pyre.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Why
|Date: 28 Jan 96 12:16:00
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-> On 01-24-96 12:35, Sue Armstrong got back to Steve Wallis
SA> So, I'd like to know what age of history (DOCUMENTED history, please
-
SA> don't bring up your garden of Eden mythos - every culture has an
Very well writen, Sue. Archived, just because I may need to
use it some day!
SA> --Wolfie
SA> To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure
SA> something you want to view is there.
And, do like your handle and addendum. Nice to se that wolves
are making a comeback...
... "Bother," said Pooh, as he spiked the punch at Owl's party.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 28 Jan 96 13:09:00
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-> On 01-24-96 12:03, Sue Armstrong got back to Dan Ceppa
SA> to be well-fed. They tend to produce the average of 4-6. And, of
DC> what the available range is open to them. The smaller the territory,
DC> the smaller the litter....
SA> Sounds reasonable to me; after all, captive animals don't
SA> generally have 150 square miles to run around in. The smaller
It made sense to me, too...
SA> other - in the wild, they can get away on their own for a few days
SA> or weeks) might affect females hormonally.
Then again, I think it was Marty L., mentioned something about
the number of babies produced by xians...
We may have to modify that theory!
... Myth-conceptions are the major cause of wars.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Jealous God
|Date: 28 Jan 96 13:14:00
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-> On 01-26-96 11:05, Steve Quarrella got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> The be fair to Jesse, he did come back and say, "It was a joke,
DC> only a joke." As an ambulance chaser, he probably finds rubber
SQ>
SQ> I would rather that he came back and said "It was only a joke" after
SQ> his laughable Thanksgiving and Christmas posts. Yeah, I laughed, but
Never does, though, does he?
SQ> it was more of a NERVOUS laugh, to think that someone out there buys
SQ> into that bullshit.
I'm wondering if he caught the bit about the "ambulance chaser".
Hope so, as I enjoyed re-typing it as much as I did mentioning
it the first time around!
SQ> -Christmas trees!-
Are they the trees that you cut lawyers out of?
Yes, a dangling participle, that I left hanging, swinging and
slowly twisting in the wind...
... Isn't "criminal lawyer" a redundant term?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Perhaps here's the reason
|Date: 28 Jan 96 13:39:00
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-> On 01-25-96 15:00, Steve Quarrella got back to Dan Ceppa
SA> Why are you telling ME this? I am "The Creator" of this echo.
SQ> You are the Kirk?
DC> "Set the transporter to deepest space and widest dispersal!"
SQ> ROFL! "Error...must...sterilize! Faulty!"
"You made an error. You thought I was the Creator
You made a second error in that you didn't correct that error.
You made a third error and not sterilizing yourself.
You have made 3 errors. You are faulty!"
"Your logic was impeccable, Cpt. However, we better get NOMAD to
the transporter room fast!"
(BTW, can't remember if I copied it that way, or edited to
be so. But, I do like the following tagline!)
... "Too much LDS in the sixties." (Admiral James Tiberius Kirk)
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Why
|Date: 28 Jan 96 20:21:25
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
GtP>> Sure I can. I can do anything I like. His people promised me that
GtP>> he would protect and guard me. He didn't. He lied. Well, his
GtP>> "voices" lied. He doesn't exist.
SW> And if your wrong? What if God did exist and wanted you to get to know
SW> Him. What if He loved you so much that He would accept you where your
at.
Then I expect he'd manifest in my life in some way that made it clear that
was what he wanted. He's certainly had enough opportunities to do so.
I was a Christian longer than any other "unbeliever" here....35 years.
I have fasted, prayed for hours, followed the commandments, etc etc. I
have gotten down on my knees and BEGGED him to love me, to be with me, to
comfort me as he promised. All I ever got was more pain and unhappiness.
As for loving me as I am, I doubt it. I am a pagan priestess. I intend
to remain a pagan priestess. If he exists, he has declared himself a jealous
god and the enemy of all goddess worshippers. Haven't you read your Old
Testament? What happened to all the priests of Baal? What happened to Jezebel?
Look at how his followers mutilated the stories of the Great Mother and
her wise serpent into the story of Eve being bequiled by the evil serpent.
How can he accept what his prophets have condemned for millenia...a woman
who doesn't accept the yoke for female inferiority?
SW>> Its unfair if you judge the crop by one bad apple. Even you
SW>> must realize this. We all make mistakes in life and sometimes we have
SW>> to pay the price for our actions.
GtP>> They are almost all bad apples. They willfully hurt people in the
GtP>> name of their god.
SW> I cant speak for everyone Gwenny, but Im not like that. And neither
is my
SW> God. Some people dont know what they worship. Or some worship Christ
in
SW> vain and lose all meaning in the doing so.Some cling to tradition and
SW> ceremonial practices. While others dismiss the whole thing as nonsense.
You need to learn about the diety you worship. At the history of the religions
that have arisen around his worship....it is a cult that worships the death
of "unbelievers". It is a cult that degrades women and enslaves them.
It is YOU who do not know what you worship.
GtP>> My family went to church every Sunday when I was small. Didn't keep
GtP>> the stepfather from raping me or the minister from calling me a liar
GtP>> when I tried to get help.
SW> I dont know what to say, but im sorry you went through that.
I appreciate that. Too bad the priests and the other Christians around
me didn't care.
GtP>> Been there. Done that. They will only accept you as long as you
GtP>> change to suit them. They will NOT, I quarantee you, accept me JUST
GtP>> as I am.
SW> How do you know?
I was raised Catholic, converted to Presbyterian, converted to Mormon, studied
with the Witnesses and the Adventists. I've attended almost every denomination
of Christian. The last I attended was one of the "born again". Under the
influence of the music and the psychological manipulation of the minister,
I got "saved". Then I went home and realized that I had been manipulated.
And then I saw the same thing had happened, in one way or another, in every
church I had ever attended. You've been hooked...you are addicted....you
are being used...
SW> Christianity is about love, not hate. You should have seen
SW> me about five years ago. I was totally fried from drugs and drinking.
SW> I was basically so messed up I couldnt fuction any more. I would have
SW> been dead if it wasnt for a compassionate Christian lady who helped
me
SW> out and basically took me under her wing. And five years later...here
SW> I am, drug free-and and alcohol free. All becuase a great kind hearted
SW> Christian lady didnt think I was a piece of crap when every one else
SW> did.
How sad for you. To trade one addiction, one sickness, for another. That
lady wasn't compassionate, she was a drug-dealer. She used you....by "saving"
you she thinks she got brownie points with her god. Now you have to go
out and save others to get your fix.
SW>> I'll pray for ya Gewnee. Hope things get better for ya. Take care and
SW>> Godbless!
GtP>> Ahhh, yes, another jerk who subtly demeans me by mispelling my name.
GtP>> It's right in the header...get it right, or don't bother.
SW> I wasnt trying to demean you any in way. It was just a simple typo.
I
SW> respect you Gwenny. You may not believe it, but I do.
Okay, I'm the forgiving sort. I forgive you.
SW> ... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
And what if we girls don't want to be sons??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... A man without Jesus is like a fish without a bicycle.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 28 Jan 96 20:56:34
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
GtP>>> Sugar, the ark wasn't large enough to hold all the different species
GtP>>> of bovine, let alone elephants (there were three or four species
GtP>>> then, including mammoths), giraffes, bears, all the big cats, whales
GtP>>> (is says everything that had breathe in it's nostrils), walruses,
GtP>>> all the types of deer and antelope, and the rest of the critters.
GtP>>> Not only
SW>> Well, one would speculate the calculations of the ark to be about 3
SW>> football fields long and 3 levels high.
GtP>> That MIGHT hold the food animals.
SW> Well, it held the food and the animals.
Are you aware that there are "pagan" documents the predate even the earliest
of the OT specimens by a millenia or more, that recount similar stories?
And always it was a different "holy man". It is just a story. It did not
happen any more than than Ahura Mazda (another "god of light) told his favorite
to build and fort and fill it with pairs of humans and animals. It is impossible
for the story to have happened.
SW>> However it also assumed by most that most fo the various species of
SW>> animals that are around topday, derived from a single species. (Check
SW>> your local library for info).
GtP>> Not in three or four thousand years they didn't. Besides, it says
GtP>> that all creatures and plants reproduce "according to their various
GtP>> kinds." How could they have changed? Also, HOW did the kangaroos
GtP>> get back to Australia and why didn't some of them stick around in
the
GtP>> Middle East?
SW> It's theorized that certain animals bred with their nearest cousine
and
SW> in doing so we have the many differnet species that we do now.
Most offspring of mixed pairings (like the horse and the donkey) are sterile.
There would have had to be hundreds of pairs of each to ensure viable offspring.
And it would have taken more generations than there have been to create
the diversity writer were already speaking of over two millenia ago. There
was only one pair of each....well, in the one story. In the other story
there were seven pairs of each "clean" animal...so they could be murdered
as a thank offering after the flood. It could not have been done, even
if Noah knew as much about genetics as we do now.
SW> How the kangaroo's got to australia, I cant say. But I believe
SW> someone built a boat and sailed there with some kangaroo's. I seen an
SW> interesting documentary on how its believed that ancient spaniards
SW> sailed to america way before Columbus got here.
You mean Vikings...and, yes, they did. This is more than a case of "believed".
They have found Viking settlements in Minnesota. There's a tribe of blue-eyed
Indians that lives now...the Indians were already there when the Vikings
got there. They are all that remains of the Viking incursion into NA.
Those Vikings really got around. They have found bronze buddhas in the
burial mounds of some Viking nobles in Western Europe. There was ALOT more
exchange between the ancients than we might believe.
BTW, referring to the Vikings, how did blonde people get into the world.
Noah was supposedly a Semite, right?? They are, and have always been, dark
skinned and dark-eyed. Soooo, where did white folk come from??
SW> They've even found runes in central america with carved elephants
SW> engraved on them. Elephants can only be found in africa and are
SW> native to central america.
Central North America. Even the Vikings didn't get to SA.
SW> They also, found huge anchers
SW> (very primitive) that date back to like a thousand years ago. So, that
SW> could explain how natives got to america in the first place and could
SW> explain(somewhat) of how kangaroos got to australia(which has a huge
SW> native population).
The flood, according to the biblical chronology, happened more than four
thousand years ago. According to archaelogists, there have been people
of the human variety inhabiting this continent for ten thousand years.
Anchors a thousand years old don't explain how they got here....a thousand
years ago the Catholic church was coming into it's own and most of Europe
was occupied.
SW> It was a documentary on A&E. Wish I remembered the name
SW> though. If you'd like to see it write them and ask for a program
SW> listing on the shows they broadcasted during the year. They will
SW> probally send you a list as they sell their documentaries to the
SW> public.
Hey, you watch A&E...they have a wonderful program that they reshow regularly
about how the Christian hierarchy has systematically persecuted and attempted
to destroy goddess-worshippers for almost two millenia. Can't remember
the name off-hand, but I'll try to remember. Maybe if you watch it you'll
understand why we have little use for the promises of the woman-hating,
baby-killing god you adore.
SW> I hear what your saying but before the flood happened the continents
were
SW> all joined together. There was only one body of water. One big sea.
Who's
SW> to say that the concentration of salt in the sea was always at that
level?
SW> Its possible that when the continents shifted suddenly , huge deposits
SW> of salt where unearthed and through time the salt in the sea settled
at the
SW> level of concentration that it is now.
Pangea (think I spelled that correctly) (that's the name of the supercontinent,
btw) separated long before there was human life....or even any remote ancestors
that resembled humans. Even IF such a thing happened, the salt could not
have dissolved quickly enough, nor spread fast enough (do some studying
about ocean currents) to have helped. Additionally, I believe Marty could
tell you that something like that would have shown up in the fossil record.
Finally, that would have only helped the salt water creatures. What about
the fresh water fish and amphibians? What about the lung fish that need
mud, not open sea?
GtP>> Most predators do not hibernate. It would have taken a total change
GtP>> in their physiology to have allowed them to do so, since hibernation
GtP>> is caused by a change in the blood chemistry. Those that do
GtP>> hibernate do so because of cold or because of drought...neither of
GtP>> which condition existed. Herd beasts, also, do not hibernate. Small
GtP>> creatures like voles, shrews, and hummingbirds MUST, repeat MUST eat
GtP>> at least their weight in food EVERY DAY. To go for even a day or
two
GtP>> dooms them. And speaking of hummingbirds, where did he get fresh
GtP>> flowers for them??
SW> My answer is, Noah had his hands full! The ark wasnt built in one day.
SW> It was a massive vessel. It took a LONG time to build it. God, gave
SW> them instruction and it was built accourdingly. Noah, was instructed
to
SW> gather provision for his family and for the animals, and so he did.
SW> It doesnt say how many years he spent storing up food, but you can bet
SW> it was a heck of a long time.
It doesn't matter HOW long he spent storing up food if he had no place to
put it. It takes a barn loft FULL of hay to feed fifty head of cattle for
one WINTER...that's about four months in most places. And you still haven't
explained about the fresh bamboo and eucalytus...or fresh worms for the
shrews...or...it's a long list.
GtP>> Last chance. Gwenny. Get it right or get twitted. I've made the
GtP>> choice. The scriptures are myth like all myth...stories made up by
GtP>> technologically backward people to explain phenomenon beyond their
GtP>> understanding.
SW> Its written, "Sanctify them in Thy Truth, Thy Word is Thy Truth."
SW> and again "The Lord swore and will not repent."
That's why the bible says the flood happened, because he repented.
SW> Just becuase people didnt have all the technology we do, doesnt mean
SW> they were simpletins. Many of the "great thinkers" (men of analitical
SW> minds) lived in days when there was no technology. Were they
SW> simpletins? No, but rather they just lived in times which didnt have
SW> all the technology that we have.
Of course they weren't simpletons. Where the hell do you think we got our
technology from?? Did you know that matriarchal societies were living in
communities with multifamily dwellings and paved streets and a guaranteed
food supply while the patriarchal nomads were still wandering around depending
on hunting to stay alive? Did you know that the patriarchal nomads learned
most of what they know about civilization from goddess people, then turned
around and enslaved them? Do you know that they have found statues of
goddesses over *9000* years old?? Did you know that the earliest they can
reliably date any copy of the christian scripture is 500 BCE while the earliest
writing is found in a temple dedicated to the "Queen of Heaven" dating from
around 3000 BCE?? Of course, these were women, so that probably doesn't
count...only great thinking MEN count.
GtP>> BTW, IF god exists and he EVEN THINKS about blessing me, I'm gonna
GtP>> tell Mom. It's about time he got put in the corner anyway.
SW> God's not a bad guy Gwenny, He only wants whats best for ya. And so
SW> do I. I wouldnt waste my time preaching here if I didnt believe in it.
You preach because you believe that you get credit if you convert others
to your belief system. That's how drug dealers work, too. Get one person
hooked and send him out to hook others. I don't need drugs OR religion.
I got me.
SW> ... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
I don't want to be a son...
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Promote Windows 95, show OS/2 Warp to all your friends !
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: DOOFUS...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:35:23
EID:7fa8 203cac60
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Heilsa, Mark!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mark say to Gwenny:
SA>> Well, the BookMark (the second-hand place) has about the biggest sf
SA>> section I've seen in the city. We don't even have a place that has
SA>> a decent selection of RPG materials, either - the closest would be
SA>> the Sci-Fi Shop (which doesn't generally sell books - they mostly
SA>> sell movie and Star Trek paraphenalia), and there you have to ORDER
SA>> stuff .. if you don't mind waiting a few months. There are
SA>> apparently places in/around Detroit where such can be had, but
SA>> that's sort of a pain, too. Who wants to go to Detroit? :P
GtP>> Just to mean, I have to tell you that most of our RPG stuff came from
GtP>> Goodwill...at $1.95 a book. I have three or four Unearthed
GtP>> Arcana.
MH> Well, she is exaggerating. The Sci-Fi store which we have,
MH> locally, will order things without a hitch -- usually within three
MH> weeks, four at best.
That's seems like a long time to me, too. I'm used to going down to
the Barnes and Noble and getting it in three or four DAYS. And that's only
cuz they have such a hard time keeping their store stocked with "metaphysical
books".
MH> The Unearthed Arcana ... Hm. I've got two or three sitting around
MH> here. I picked up one or two from friends, and the last [within the
MH> last year] from a three-story used book store in the nearby US city,
MH> Detroit. A place called John K King Books. Gigantic place; great
MH> prices; amazing selection. [It's three stories, for crying out loud.
MH> =)]
Three stories of used books.........but I HATE Detroit.
MH> "What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more
MH> than man's transparency."
BUSTED!
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Only one thing can top good sex: Chocolate sauce!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:45:22
EID:1494 203cada0
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to J.J.:
me>> And you have demographic evidence to support this claim?
me>> I need it for my "research".
GtP>> What do you need. Would you settle for a list of the
GtP>> folks I know, names changed, and their ages??
JH>> What I need.... I need to remember why I targeted you for
JH>> pestering... I've completely forgotten where I wanted to go
JH>> with this.
RJ> To keep to the spirit of cross-x'ing belief qua belief?
RJ> Sticking to badgering just one religion smacks of favoritism.
Which belief of mine do you suggest he badger??? The only "belief" ya'll
have been able to pin me on is the belief in my breasts.....this could get
interesting.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Massachusetts - Fighting again to keep our civil Rights
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Why
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:51:24
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Katherine:
JJH> Do Wiccans have secret handshakes?
No, we hug and kiss.
JJH> (I suppose the next thing you're going to try and tell me is
JJH> that ya'll wear Fezzes.)
Nope, but some of us are fuzzy.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Satanista, no! Pindeho, si!
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:52:37
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Gwenny:
A>> An it harm no one who does not deserve it, do what ye
A>> will.ÿ
me>> I love how you pinkydinks can't quote Crowley's "Law"
me>> without adding some sort of qualifier.
GtP>> I thought "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the
GtP>> law."
JJH> "Do Wah Diddy shall be the hole in the law."
Ahhhh, a member of the "blues" council.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... The views expressed above are dictated to me by my cat.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Sheeit! Get Ice-creamed!
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:08:54
EID:225f 203cb100
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310bf427
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Heilsa, Marty!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Marty say to Robert:
JB>> I saw Jim Beam ICE CREAM in the store last week.
RJ>> Only two liquors I've ever seen that sound palatable in
RJ>> ice cream form: Kahlua and amaretto, but that's because
RJ>> those taste like something else (coffee and almond).
RJ>> Ice cream which is supposed to taste like liquor just
RJ>> sounds a bit perverse...
ML> If you do not stop this slander, I'll send you my patented
ML> (all right: copyrighted) recipe for hi-octane ice cream. (It's
ML> not that terribly difficult to make, just watch your liquid
ML> levels).
ML> With the basic recipe, you can create such masterworks as rum
ML> raisin (not my fave, too sweet - but my neighbor loves the
ML> stuff); brandy ice; vodka and sour cherry (one of my personal
ML> favorites); any flavor liqueur (if you're really perverse) or
ML> gin and tonic (not really ice cream, per se, but more of a
ML> cordial ice).
Ummmmm, please send me a copy....pleeeeease....
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I used to be confused, but now I just don't know....
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mike Zimmerman
|Sub: Nazirite
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:41:09
EID:ef74 203cb520
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310bfd6e
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Mike!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mike say to Maria:
MR>> Now if you hadn't chopped up my quote you would have known that it
was
MR>> the Nazarite that had the long hair and abstained from wine. But Jesus
MR>> was a NAZARENE. That means he was from Nazareth. A Nazarite belonged
MR>> to a sect. I know you don't believe what I am saying so check it out
MR>> for yourself.
MZ> I am not sure, but I believe that the spelling was "Nazirite", for those
MZ> Jews under a vow not to cut their hair or to drink wine. Of course
the
MZ> Hebrew of the time did not have the vowels, but I would assume that
MZ> someone has some kind of warrant for that spelling. Examples of
MZ> Nazirites in the Bible include Samson, John the Baptist, and St. Paul
on
MZ> his second missionary journey. There is no mention made that Jesus
ever
MZ> took the vow of a Nazirite. Since He was reported to drink wine, it
may
MZ> be inferred that He did not.
Every male that "openned" the womb was supposed to be dedicated to Jehovah.
Yes, that would include Samson, John the Baptist, maybe Samuel and, perhaps
even Jesus. For some reason I have also thought that Jesus of a Nazarite.
But not Paul, I don't think. He said to "use a little wine for your stomach's
sake" or some such nonsense.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... The world is coming to an end - Online time has been adjusted.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:01:38
EID:029e 203cb820
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c009a
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Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to J.J.:
SW> Opinions vary, Let me ask you this then; What would it take to get you
SW> to believe? If the only way your gonna believe is through "scientific
SW> evidence" (so called anyway), then you have let the devil cheat you
out
SW> of your right to salvation.
My kidnapped daughter back in my arms by the end of the week and my husband
having a new job by Tuesday making at least 55K a year.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Moi?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: DOOFUS...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:04:40
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Heilsa, Sue!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Sue say to Gwenny:
SA>> stuff .. if you don't mind waiting a few months. There are
SA>> apparently places in/around Detroit where such can be had, but
SA>> that's sort of a pain, too. Who wants to go to Detroit? :P
GtP>> Just to mean, I have to tell you that most of our RPG stuff came from
GtP>> Goodwill...at $1.95 a book. I have three or four Unearthed
GtP>> Arcana.
SA> Arrgh. Well, it might be worth checking out those shops .. but I can't
see
SA> too many people ditching such books around here, seeing as how they're
so
SA> hard to get. But, one can always hope upon hope, I suppose. :)
Ahhhh, but can you see some kids mom pitching 'em out. Anyway, it doens't
hurt to look, does it??
SA> ... ERROR 407: Program too idiotic.
SA> -+- GEcho 1.00
SA> + Origin: [Windsor Download BBS] USR/V.Everything (519)-973-9330
SA> (1:246/15)
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Disk Error on C: - (A)bort, (R)etry, (D)estruct
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: NOAH'S IMPOSSIBLE ARK 1
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:07:20
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Heilsa, Al!
LB>> What does God have for breakfast?? ;)
AS>> Whatever He wants.
LB>> Wheaties -- Breakfast of Deities!
AS>> Silly Rabbit--Tricks are for Gods!--Loki, Hermes, Coyote, Raven....
Hey, hey, hey....you forgot Eris. Tsk, tsk....I wouldn't want to be in
your shoes...but it IS a way to get her out of my house for awhile.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Science does not deny God. It just makes him unnecessary.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:10:38
EID:0ac7 203cb940
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c03c9
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31080e3b
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Sue!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Sue say to AL:
SA> Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) for the canidae, it's a natural
SA> and routine occurrence. When the male ejaculates, the head of his
SA> penis expands to such an extent that the pair becomes "tied" - and
SA> there isn't much they can do about it for about half an hour. It may
SA> help with pair-bonding, especially amongst canid species that are more
SA> or less monogamous. However, it leaves the pair open to attack by
SA> natural enemies, jealous conspecifics, and disgusted humans with
SA> hoses. The best anyone can do when coming across a pair of
SA> dogs who seem "stuck" is to simply leave them alone - they'll be able
SA> to seperate soon enough, and anyway, by the time they're stuck it's
SA> too late to prevent any sperm transfer and possible pregnancy.
Last winter there was a dog bugging my dogs (they are confined in an half
acre "pen"). Whenever that happens for too long, I just let my Lab out
and he chases the offending critter off....well, USUALLY. In this case,
it was a bitch in heat. She got hysterical as soon as he mounted her, because
(as I learned later) it was her first mating. I was afraid that she was
going to hurt him (she was a very large Malmut) with her jumping around
and biting, so I ran out to try to calm her down. I was able to keep her
still, but I couldn't get her to relax. So there I was, barefoot and in
a skirt, kneeling in the snow for half an hour until her owner happened
by looking for her. The moment she heard his voice she relaxed and Bel
was able to extricate himself.
I never want to go through that again!
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... A man without God is like a fish without a bicycle.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Spellcheckers.
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:18:39
EID:9bbc 203cba40
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c046f
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31086d24
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Mark!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mark say to Annette:
AS>> I should know better anyway. I DO write. I just tend to like the
AS>> spell-check program better. And I don't HAVE one here. > complain some more?>
MH> I never liked spellcheckers. I've never used one, and I'm
MH> cogitating a mental note to never resorting to, either. Every ten
MH> years, I brush up on my English by browsing through a dictionary.
MH> It keeps my mind alert and sharp, in addition to re-acquainting myself
MH> with that which I'd forgotten.
Well, you know we witches would be without one.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Back up my hard disk? I can't find the reverse switch!
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Jesus said "eat me!"
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:22:31
EID:54e1 203cbac0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c058c
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a02066a
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Kevin!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Kevin say to Jose:
KDM> And the Earth is green as a springtime dream,
KDM> no factory smokes appear,
KDM> for they left the land to the gardeners hand
KDM> and we all are circling here.
And we spin long light from the glory of the sun.
Yes, we spin long light from glory of the sun.
And the light gem glow on the Earth below
In the bright web spun from the glo-ry of the sun.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Bugs are Sons of Glitches!
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: A SUREFIRE MONEY MAKER!
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:24:19
EID:ec6c 203cbb00
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c05e2
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 6119778c
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Judith:
JB>> And we'd NEVER call them Tacky Ladies. They'd be
JB>> 'Tackticians'. We do expect to draw men into our 'family',
JB>> after all.
JJH> Nah... it's better to go for the sexploitation angle.
JJH> Keep the Tacky Ladies, put them in scanty outfits (with
JJH> pom-poms and sequins) and have them call on male clients.
JJH> For female clients, you could have: TACK-MAN. (Is there any
JJH> way to make a g-string even more tacky?)
Ever heard of a cod-piece....we could take some inspiration from them.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... My life is cluttered with facts.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:26:26
EID:a324 203cbb40
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0814
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086ee4
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
RJ>> Imagine...getting fired for not drinking on the job.
GtP>> I'd get fired....I hardly drink at all except at Dfest.
RJ> I'm toying with the idea of trying to make it there this year.
RJ> What's the stickerprice and logistical situation for such a
RJ> shindig?
We're expecting a mailing soon. Won't know until it gets here. Last year
it was $35/adult for five days. You need your own lunch and dinner, but
they supply breakfast....probably for two reasons...one) no one is in any
shape to cook for themselves, and two) you miss it if you don't get up by
8:30, so most everyone gets up. It is a primative site...ie, they supply
water and portapotties...oh, and condoms. You supply everything else.
At the least, you will need a tent, a very warm sleeping bag (built for
two if you intend to dally), food, personal hygiene stuff and homebrew (since
I expect you'd want to attend the Brewer's Gatherum). Extra money is optional,
since I doubt you'd be interested in the "magickal" stuff most vendors offer.
Oh, and a solar shower if you want warm water to get clean....me, I just
go skinny-dipping at dawn and again before bed....gives someone an excuse
to "warm me up." I don't know what Sean is complaining about...it's a nice
way to start the day. But then, I don't have testicles and pagan men NEVER
complain about hard nipples.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Liberals are a Labour-saving device.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
* Origin: <> The Point at Pooh Corner <> Woodland Park, CO <> (1:128/203.2)
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HEY! CHICKENSHIT!
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:37:12
EID:e44d 203cbca0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c08fb
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086ef1
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to J.J.:
RJ> Of course you realize we haven't seen a word from him for
RJ> several days. I think he only lasted seven days max. That
RJ> would drop the average lifespan of Satanists on this echo
RJ> to 11 days. Does Luke Clark count as a Satanist--I'm not
RJ> sure, he seems to have expressed belief in about every crank
RJ> pagan theory to roll down the pike.
No, he does Thelema. And I think he's stood up to youse guys pretty good.
I didn't give him long when he first came on.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Anyone can hate. It costs to love.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:39:23
EID:42f0 203cbce0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0971
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31086ef6
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Preston:
PS>> I'm dying of curiosity. Where the hell did your origin line come from?
RJ> Awww, MAAAAN!!! You *really* dated yourself on this one,
RJ> Press, ol' pal. That's from none other than "I Am The Walrus",
RJ> and I know I have no need to tell you what band recorded
RJ> that one.
And if I EVER hear that song again.....Bruce sang it for WEEKS. Arrgggh!
Hey, wait, Bruce is YOUNGER than Preston. What gives??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Is there a moderator in the ANARCHY Echo?
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:48:24
EID:4030 203cbe00
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0b74
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 1070f06f
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to Gwenny:
JG>> He's there...just wait patiently. He's waiting for you to drop your
JG>> pride and blindness. He'll show you love like it was meant. I promise.
GtP>> How long does one need to be patient?? I was patient for 35
GtP>> years. Nothing happened except that I got screwed by other xtians
GtP>> on a regular basis.
SR> You gotta hang in there. Their jaysus is busy screwing all his other
fundy
SR> followers. He'll get to the heathens when he runs out of his own
SR> flock. Right, Jose??
Thanks anyway, I'll stick with what I have.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it?
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mark Drake
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:52:21
EID:b511 203cbe80
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0c83
REPLY: 1:128/175 3109e289
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Mark!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mark say to Gwenny:
GtP>> with angels. ACKKKK! Then there's us Asatru....the closest thing
we
GtP>> have to angels are the Valkyries. Angels are wimps. Brass-brad women
GtP>> with huge swords RULE!!
MD> Perhaps that should read "Women in Brass Bra's with huge swords RULE!"
Yeah, that does come across better.
MD> + Origin: Cult of Gwenny the Pooh's Tits, 1st Circle (719)632-0057
MD> (1:128/175)
Hey, you still running Probability Broach??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (P)retend it didn't happen?
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: AL SCHRODINGER AND HIS PU
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:55:31
EID:0b0d 203cbee0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0d23
REPLY: 1:124/9005 3108a30b
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Steve!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Steve say to AL:
AS>> ... Not allowed? My dear fellow, I'm allowed everywhere. - Doctor
Who
SQ> Are you aware that Paul McGann is now the eighth Doctor?
NO, I never get to see it anymore.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Kevin Aure
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:56:43
EID:18c9 203cbf00
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c0d7f
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Heilsa, Kevin!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Kevin say to Les:
LW> LS>> What is a "christian"? A licensed fucking thief! Biased on your
LW> LS>> hypocritical actions. If jesus exists, is he proud of you?
LW>>
LW> LW>> Grow up! I've already explained that this program doesn't have
LW> LW>> a 30 day limitation from the author. You worry about registering
LW> LW>> you own shareware and leave others alone.
LW>>
LW> LS>> Tell it to some other dumbfuck christian thief. I DID register
LW> LS>> WaveRider and I know better, you lying christian fuck!
LW> LS>> HYPO-FUCKIN-CHRITE!
KA> Hey, hey. Watch out what Christians you make fun of. Some others might
get
KA> offended.
You sent that to the wrong person. But then, who cares. We'll offend anyone
we like.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)gnore, (O)verthrow System?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Angles exists
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:58:03
EID:f5a3 203cbf40
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Heilsa, David!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
David say to Lynda:
SA>>> The only time "angles" intervened in my life was in
SA>>> math class, and their sole raison d'etre seemed to be to annoy
SA>>> the shit out of me and ensure I got a "D".
LB>> Guess you didn't have a guardian angle, huh?
DW> I did, but he was rather obtuse.
I bet you think you're really acute.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Doing away with God (is) to cease to be a man
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 28 Jan 96 23:59:59
EID:19f8 203cbf60
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Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
David say to Katherine:
DW> KW>>> Even skyclad, my tradition goes for the pretty stuff. My
DW> KW>>> headdress is sterling silver, and set with moonstones. The
DW> KW>>> silver explains the polish, and the settings for the stones
DW> KW>>> explain the toothpicks (you wrap them in gauze to get at the
DW> KW>>> tight places). Some of my other pieces of 'ritual jewellery'
DW> KW>>> also have to be polished.
DW>>> I'll eat whatever you, Judith, and lInda want to feed me if you'll
DW>>> show up in that outfit.
KW>> You are a sweet kid, David, but before you get your hormones all
KW>> stirred up, remember that I'm a middle aged mommy person.
Hey, we could probably give Preston his statistics right here. Of you,
me, Sean McCullough, Linda Whitten, Mark Drake, and, um....who are the rest
of the pagans?? Anyway, Sean should be the youngest, with either Mark or
myself (38) coming in next. So much for his "wicca wouldn't survive if
it weren't for the teenagers" spiel.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (T)hermonuclear Re-education?
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:02:57
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Heilsa, David!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
David say to Lynda:
LB>>> It won't work, J.J. Until they've been consecrated, all you have
LB>>> is a large quantity of tasteless wafers, and overpriced ones at
LB>>> that, no doubt. Stick with Townhouse crackers. :)
AM>> Your just a sick man.
DW> You're a *man*?!? :)
No, she's not. But I already have the 'divine tits'...she'll have to offer
some other part to be deified.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... What you are afraid of overtakes you. Estonian proverb.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:04:28
EID:9377 203d0080
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Heilsa, David!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
David say to J.J.:
BH>>> Well we Natives have been talking to the animals for a few
BH>>> thousand years [...]
JH>> Ahhh.... no wonder you never invented the wheel or writing.
DW> Isn't it odd that the "earth-worshipping" societies never seem to get
DW> beyond the stage of back-breaking labour, rampant disease, and early
DW> deaths?
ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping folk of the Middle
East were living in cities with paved streets, knew how to work metal and
had writing when the progenitors of patriarchal monotheism were still nomads.
Not only that, but they were enlightened enough that women ruled and sex
was not evil. SO THERE!!
DW> Hmm... it seems that worshipping Gaia is even more worthless as
DW> worshipping Jehovah.
Naw....we have more parties and sex is a sacrament...
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Go ahead. Make my day. I'd like a Saturday, please.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: FRED PHELPS
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:10:01
EID:3bc2 203d0140
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Katherine:
RJ> Woodruff? What sort of flavor is that?
It's what they flavor May Wine with....interesting.
I think we need to ditch the HolySmoke Get-together and just do a HolySmoke
Brewer's Gatherum.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... ...I am NOT paranoid!.... WHO told you that!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:11:31
EID:0a7c 203d0160
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
GtP>> get away from the rat race for a day or so during her period. My
GtP>> daughters and my cycles are starting to match, so the day might come
RJ> I've heard women who live in close quarters will tend to do
RJ> that. Sorta shoots down the supposed benefits of a harem,
RJ> doesn't it? Imagine Solomon--keeping 700 wives and concubines
RJ> who ALL start to get bitchy at the same time. I think it
RJ> *would* take the wisdom of...uhh, who was that wiseguy?...uh,
RJ> yeah, that one--to keep a cool head while being vibed out by
RJ> a few hundred ineffably angry women.
What do you think the eunuchs were for....just cuz the wienie doesn't work,
doesn't mean not else does. And I wonder what percentage were
"bi". Sex does WONDERS for PMS.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Contemptible & hateful; generosity leads to both. - Machiavelli
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:13:47
EID:42ad 203d01a0
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
JJH>> Is there a First Piss Of The Morning Ritual?
GtP>> What a concept...a reason to party everyday. But I have
a
GtP>> problem. I drink more than a gallon of water a day and therefore
get
GtP>> up several times during the night to piss. How do I know which is
GtP>> the last piss of the night and the first piss of the morning?
GtP>>
RJ> The longest one of the day would suffice.
But I'm a setter, not a pointer...all mine are same length....
GtP>> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
RJ> ... Ginger or Mary Ann -- Which for you?
Definitely MaryAnn.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... New Pagan soap opera : "All My Covens."
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:14:43
EID:5d85 203d01c0
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Heilsa, Robert!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Robert say to Gwenny:
MB>> hidden the pregnancy for a sufficient length of time to make
MB>> abortion impossible.
GtP>> I think it is possible to conceive before the first period. The
GtP>> Guinness book of records lists the youngest mother as a five year
GtP>> old. They raised her son as her brother.
RJ> What'd be weird is if the boy went out and fathered a child
RJ> as soon as physically possible--like 10 or 11 years old.
RJ> Imagine...a 15-year old grandmother.
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
RJ> But I have to wonder what sort of decisionmaking was going on
RJ> with parents and doctors that would allow a 5-yo to carry a
RJ> child to term, besides the obvious questions, that is.
This happened in South America a couple of decades ago....they were Catholic.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Some go bar-hopping; the Horde goes Knight-clubbing!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:18:44
EID:56cc 203d0240
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c12b9
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Heilsa, Judith!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Judith say to Steve:
SQ>> shrimp. It's GREAT." "Come on, Steve...try the eggplant. It's
SQ>> GREAT." I got the point. :)
JB> Well, Leo still tries to get me to try the smoked eel when we're in
JB> Holland. I gag just looking at it. AND...he likes OKRA.
Speaking of okra, I found a local buffet that serves it EVERY DAY. So now
I can take Suzanne down there and let her fill up on it every other week
or so. And *I* don't have to cook it.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Only a Klingon would screw on an eyepatch.
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|From: Damien Wellman
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: YOU HAVE FAILED
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:33:16
EID:deb9 203c5420
TID: FastEcho 1.45a UNREG
:: From: J.j. Hitt To: Asmodeus Subj: YOU HAVE FAILED ::
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
JH> Today is Day FOURTEEN of Satanic Curse Number ONE.
JH> It is also Day TWO of Satanic Curse Number TWO.
JH> Nothing has happened.
It would seem that old Azzie here has quite a lot of nothing. Watch him
claim
that he either didn't REALY curse you (again) or claim the curse wasn't
meant
to do anything drastic, or that it won't come into effect for another month,
or...
... "These credits have nothing to do with the film." -- Tom Servo
---
* TLX v4.00 *
~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR]
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|From: Damien Wellman
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: HI
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:33:17
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:: From: Steve Wallis To: Marilyn Burge Subj: HI ::
MB> Then how come Jehovah, in the first person, yet, bragged about
MB> having created it (in Isaiah)?
SW> Where does it say that Marilyn? I dont believe Ive read that
SW> scripture. You want to know why? Becuase its not there. Sin is a
SW> violation of the law. When God's law was broken sin was born.
Try reading this:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I
the LORD do all these things." ^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Isaiah 45:7
Not only is it in your Bible, it's quite direct about it.
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: ----
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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DH> Another reason for 3 showing up so often in the bible is that it is
DH> an indefinite number, like our word couple. Indefinite numbers in
DH> hebrew are 3 (a few), 10 (some), 40 (a lot), and 1,000 (infinite).
DH> Maybe we actually had a few wise men show up? Maybe?
The Hebrew for 3 is "shalosh" (number words seem to be able to take on both
masculine and feminine suffixes, thus shalosh and shloshah seem both to
be
correct.) So, why is "a lot" represented by 40 or "revi'im" which is
actually the plural of 4 "arba"? Seems more like it should be "shloshim"
which by your example would be the plural of "shalosh".
*Tagline 1.4c*
** I find it hard to believe a man who wants to spend $20 million to get
a
** job that pays $115,000 a year and then tells me he wants to balance the
** budget. -Irv Homer
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: 325
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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RJ> Anyway, Judy Tenuta is a strange amalgam: an
RJ> accordion-playing Jewish princess dressed like Courtney Love,
RJ> with a voice like a screech-owl, and a disjointed monologue
RJ> that ranges from the freakish twists of the mundane a la Emo
RJ> Phillips to the raving performance art of early Steve Martin.
Don't forget a couple of dashes of Andy Kaufman. He could out-wierd ME.
*Tagline 1.4c* Cunning Linguists, Inc. "We lick the language barrier."
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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RJ> I've seen some nasty horseflies, usually when swimming.
ML> Horseflies swim?
RJ> Those 1.5" bastards that sound like V2 buzzbombs are wicked
RJ> little things, and I swear they do like to snack down. The
RJ> fun is swatting 'em out of mid-air with something substantial,
RJ> like a cricketbat--see how far you can send one's corpse.
Down at the shore, we call 'em Greenheads, because of their large,
irridescent green eyes. They can bite through cotton duck-cloth, and are
slow and large enough that we could grab them and throw them at each other.
The trick on the beach was to grab one or two, crush them, and leave them
on
your towel. That's supposed to repel any others.
ML> Houston's (and probably the entire GufCoast) is having some
ML> sort of AsioAdaibaticArmenioTransylvanian strain of flu that's
ML> totalling some older folks and very young kids. Nasty shit.
RJ>
ML> Yep, folks goings tits up here in Houston from related upper
ML> respiratory infection brought about by this strain.
I think my father-in-law brought it to England on a business trip. He got
sick right after arriving there, flew in to Kennedy (NY) the night of the
December storm, his shuttle flight was cancelled, no limos or shuttle busses
were running to Philly, and he ended up renting a car and driving about
6
hours to get here, (just outside the western part of Philly) with pneumonia.
He complained to his doctor about the flu shot not having worked; the doctor
replied "That shot probably saved your life." It is a nasty strain, and
I'm
glad I've already had my once-a-decade case of the flu last year.
Those of you who mock the flu, remember - it killed Jim Henson.
*Tagline 1.4c* Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians!!
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: furlongs per fortnight
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Sean Mccullough <=-
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sean McCullough mumbled "Abortion"
> (300 cubits x 50 cubits x 30 cubits yields 450,000 cubits^3)
SM> How many cubic cubits in an acre-foot?? :-)
PS> How the fuck should I know?
That could range from 360 to 465.8823529, depending on your opinion of which
measurement for a cubit is correct. My Random House Paper Block gives it
as
a range of 17 to 22 inches; I guess there's no ISO standard. Oh, wait -
CUBIC cubits? Well, divide by 4, I guess.
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** Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted
in
** important affairs. -Albert Einstein, "Einstein on Peace"
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: Blow jobs to go! Fell
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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-=> Quoting Scot Bear to Marty Leipzig <=-
> Scot Bear, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit,
> said to Rob Burcham:
>
>> The enemy? Who's the enemy? Oh, I know; it's Satan's
> minions,
>> right?
> SB>
> SB> They're female horses! Filly minions! :)
>
> Flay them with no bones! Filet minions!
SB>
SB> Flay minyans!
Shut UP! Do you want us to have another damned fast day? (grin)
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** Yo mama so dumb, she gave your cousin a blow job 'cause he said it would
** help with his unemployment.
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|From: Blanche Nonken
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:49:11
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LB> ... "The poodle bites...the poodle chooses..." - Zappa
I thought he said "The poodle chews it..."
Not a speck o' cereal!
*Tagline 1.4c* Being bisexual means that EVERYBODY thinks you're a pervert.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:33:05
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28 Jan 96 16:40, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> That's circular reasoning, milk-crate.
JS> It makes perfect sense to me, Shelby.
It does, huh? Please describe the mechanisms for a global flood. Don't
forget to address the nagging little problem of where the water is for
this ridiculous and impossible event.
JS> I'm sorry you cannot accept it.
JS> You blindly accept 'facts' from a science book that tell you that 'x'
JS> star is 'x' light years from earth,
Bullshit. You wouldn't know a doppler shift from Montezuma's revenge,
would you? The distance of stars from the earth is based on observations
and sound scientific principles. I understand these mechanisms. I do
not understand the mechanism for: iron axe heads floating, global floods,
the earth ceasing to rotate for 24 hrs. or the Red Sea parting. All of
these events are claimed in your bible.
JS> or that black holes exist, or that
Theory that is being born out more and more by observations, Bro Jimmy.
JS> man evolved from an amoeba
Straw man, milk-crate.
JS> when they are all basically 'theories' as
JS> no one is/was actually there to witness the fact.
Your scientific ignorance would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.
How do you expect anyone to take you fundies seriously when the message
is so, so weak and the messenger so very lame.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Evidence!?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:46:37
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27 Jan 96 19:43, quoting Jim Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie:
JS> Why is it a lie?
Because the bible said a global flood occured and it DIDN'T, knucklehead.
Is that simple enough for you, or must we again employ the Purple One
to serenade you?
JS> One reason would be to require faith.
I don't give a goat-damn how much FAITH you have, it still doesn't
negate a lie.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Con...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:59:48
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27 Jan 96 19:44, quoting Jim Staal to Lynda Bustilloz:
LB>> "congenital"?
JS> Man...I'm glad _somebody_ caught that...:)
English major, my ass.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Tsk...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:51:43
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28 Jan 96 04:05, quoting Jim Staal to John Prewett:
JS> Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred
JS> Rice makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled
JS> spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical judgement out of
JS> them to be vented against God's elect.
God's elect? Provide some evidence for the existence of this god, then
you can provide evidence that you are some sort of "elect", milk-crate.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Get over it!
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:53:00
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28 Jan 96 04:08, quoting The Facts. to Judith Bandsma:
TF> Rather than whine on about something that is in your imagination,
TF> provide evidence for this alleged big hurt or/and _get over it_!
No hurt here, dipshit. I am used to the insensitivity and sanctimony
of christians.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: You watch your mouf...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:54:19
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28 Jan 96 04:15, quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell:
JS> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave
JS> the lovely Wilbur out of it.
What do you intend to do about it, hit him with a milk crate? Be sure
and give Wilbur her HeartGard Plus every month, you hear?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:08:39
EID:200b 203d6900
MSGID: 1:123/67 310cc77f
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310aabc4
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27 Jan 96 22:39, quoting David Worrell to Asmodeus:
DW> Really? Come to Knoxville. I'll buy the lumber, the nails, and any
DW> other material you need to crucify me. Then I'll let you try. Don't
DW> be too upset when your silly ass ends up on the cross, though.
Oh goody, can I try? I promise to crucify you in true Roman fashion,
guaranteed to give all the REAL TRUE CHRISTIANS in Knoxville wood.
(no pun, of course)
DW> Fuck you and all the "demons" you rode in on, junior.
DW> Curse me, chickenshit.
O.K., I curse you and will turn you into a Southern Baptist. Is that
bad enough?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HI
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:12:50
EID:0af7 203d6980
MSGID: 1:123/67 310cc7f9
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89120E14
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27 Jan 96 21:27, quoting Jose Gomez to Marilyn Burge:
JG> +- Jose -+
JG> ....God'll getcha!!
Why does your god have the childish need to "get" anyone, christian?
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|From: David Hilling
|To: Tara Holland
|Sub: Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 29 Jan 96 07:51:36
EID:ddbd 203d3e60
TID: FastEcho 1.45a UNREG
::To: Marty Leipzig From: Tara Holland Subj: Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
::
----------------------@N
TH> I am a Christian..I am sorry to read some of the attitudes on here.
I
TH> respect that everyone has their own opinion..and I know that everyone
TH> has a right to their point of views. I will not argue with you..for
Tara, please come back and tell us all the Secrets of Life and the True
Meaning of the Universe _after_ you learn to use complete sentences and
group them into paragraphs. The next message you receive will probably
not be quite so polite.
... Money is the root of all evil - send $20 for more info.
~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR]
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|From: David Hilling
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Old Farts
|Date: 29 Jan 96 07:51:36
EID:3414 203d3e60
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::To: David Hilling From: Don Martin Subj: Old Farts ::
----------------------@N
DM> David Hilling said "Halfwits" to Don Martin, and added:
DH> Hell, at my age, I figure better a brain fart than a wet fart.
DM> A surprise: a fart with a lump in it.
A Staal: A Lump with a fart in it.
... Valium... Breakfast of Champions!
~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR]
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|From: David Hilling
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Test
|Date: 29 Jan 96 07:51:37
EID:87a2 203d3e60
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::To: All From: Karen Davis Subj: Test ::
----------------------@N
KD> This is a test of my new setup.
KD> My bbs has had some problems, and is considering going down,
KD> so I went ahead and got my own node number... :)
Welcome back! Long time no see.
... "Little girls, like butterflies, need no excuse." -- Heinlein
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:00:36
EID:7ab6 203d6000
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310ccfb3
REPLY: Fidonet#1:380/16 310a7894
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Hector were killing time yakking about Lynda goes over...:
MH>> with everything he says, I too find it a little disturbing for
MH>> you to join with the non-Christians in ridiculing those who are
MH>> more theologically conservative than you.
HP>
HP> That's right, Lynda! How _dare_ you ridicule fundies in front of all
HP> these atheists! Especially when "more theologically conservative than
HP> you" includes Mikey.
(hanging my head in shame) You're right, Hector. Could you turn your back,
please?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "But...I *DO* know everything!" - Q
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: behind a monitor?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:16:30
EID:938d 203d6200
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REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82ce
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Mark and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about behind a monitor?:
JS> I referencing the personal attacks that were foisted upon me the day
JS> I walked into this place. My point was this: I can walk into the
JS> toughest bar in the city and people don't do that. I can walk into a
JS> restaurant, and have a discussion with individuals and people do not
JS> treat one another in person in the same manner that they do when they
JS> can hide behind a monitor.
MH> Oh, so you'd rather people duked it out, or hid behind a weapon.
MH> I see. Good reasoning.
JS> I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely suggest that a person
JS> conduct themselves here as they would in person. Things would be a
JS> whole lot more constructive that way.
Have you ever (while sober) screamed "Die and fry" at someone in person?
Or told a woman that her abusive ex-husband was the "smart one" for being
her ex? Do you go by a bunch of different aliases in the "real world"?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "He'll have to sit and watch them all while we monitor his mind."
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: HEAR HERE
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:36:21
EID:0032 203d6480
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Robert and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about HEAR HERE:
RJ> But still, I've got a goldmine of a question here. At the
RJ> least, it'll really show you who's examining their faith, and
RJ> who's just parroting some kneejerk fundy hate-rhetoric out
RJ> their ass.
JS> Hmmm...missed it. Could you reiterate?
His question was "What about the Preterite?" (I think I have that spelled
right.)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Why isn't 'PHONETICALLY' spelled that why?"
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Judy...Judy...Judy...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:37:54
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Judith and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about Judy...Judy...Judy...:
DW> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.
JB> Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.
TF> How do you know. You have him twitted, remember? Then you'd best not
TF> talk about him either.
I don't think letting Judith know that mentioning you bugs you is going
to
keep her from doing it, do you?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Diplomacy is letting them have it your way.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Ride this!
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:38:24
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REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a4
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
David and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about Ride this!:
RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW> Go ride Staal some more :)
JS> Ride this!
Ride what?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Bother!", said Pooh, as he fell into the tiger pit.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:10:39
EID:dd42 203d6940
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310ccfb8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a1
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
David and Brother Jim were killing time yakking about The Bible and The
Bible
alone:
JS> That you would have to sacrifice Biblical principles to do so is what
JS> would bother me, Lynda.
DW> Which Biblical principles has she sacrificed, Jim-bob?
JS> Not that it is any of your business, but it would appear that she is
a
JS> bit unsure in regards to the immaculate conception and virgin birth
of
JS> Christ, the resurrection, certain aspects of the after life, to name
a
JS> few. You got a problem with that!?
That's actually a pretty fair way of stating it, but I have a few questions:
What's wrong with honestly admitting to being unsure? Why do YOU have a
problem with that? And what do ANY of those things have to do with making
friends? You said that in order to make friends here, I had to sacrifice
those principles -- what does the one have to do with the other.
Oh, and why are the historical details in the Bible considered more important
principles than the MORAL principles we were given -- "Love God, love others".
"Thou shalt not lie." The example of the Good Samaritan. Jesus' willingness
to spend time with sinners, and his tendancy to be harsher with the religious
hypocrites of his day, including those within his own circle, like Peter?
JS> It is not my choice. I would rather communicate in a reasonable,
JS> respectful any day. Your 'friends' here do not allow it.
DW> Do we really have that much power over you, Jim-Bob, that we can
DW> control how you react?
JS> You have no power at all.
Apparently, you think they have the power not to "allow" you to communicate
in a reasonable, respectful manner. Their behaviour may make it easier
for
you to justify your own less-than-stellar actions to yourself, but every
word
you say is by your own choice. Own it, unless you DO think they control
you.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Call waiting", great if you have two friends
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: What is Lynda talking about?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:25:11
EID:ced1 203d6b20
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310ccfb9
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d4
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Brother Jim were killing time yakking about What is Lynda talking
about?:
JS> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS> time with people like that'?
SQ> Why, "to combat the evil," of course!
JS> Not necessarily...perhaps just to make the evil totally responsible
JS> when the time comes for them to be so...
LB> IOW, "leading them into sin"?
JS> Meaning?
That's what I'm asking you. What do you mean by the above?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "It's the blind leading the bland." -- Crow T. Robot
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Women...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 13:30:36
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Ryan and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about Women...:
RS> What's wrong [and I'm assuming that you're speaking of a female
RS> minister here...correct me if I'm wrong] with having a female
RS> minister?
JS> I don't know what is 'wrong' with having a woman pastor (or elder or
JS> deacon) other than the Bible indicates it is not the thing to do:
Surely, though, you've given some thought to the possible reasons why such
was indicated? I mean, if Paul's opinions are the word of God, it couldn't
have been for whimsical reasons -- what was it's purpose, in your opinion?
JS> (1 Tim 2:12 NIV) I do not permit a woman to teach or to have
JS> authority over a man; she must be silent.
JS> And on the positive side it clearly indicates that it should be a
JS> male person:
JS> (1 Tim 3:2 NIV) Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband
JS> of but one wife,
JS> (1 Tim 3:8 NIV) Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect,
What about Deaconesses, which are mentioned in the NT?
JS> Nothing personal, merely biblical instruction, therefore it is done
in
JS> that manner.
Out of curiousity, does your church also follow the NT injunction regarding
women not cutting their hair? (No slam will be forthcoming from me if it
does.
I just want to see how fully you all live by obeying all the NT instructions,
even when such don't have a pertinant reason behind them for today)
JS> These things are changing. At last year's synod, it was
JS> decided that individual classis could determine for that classis and
JS> as always, the individual congregation has the final say, once synod
JS> and classis has given approval.
I've never come across that term before -- what's a classis? I assume it's
a level in your heirarchy? Have their been any internal problems between
those who do allow women pastors and those who don't?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Warning: Whimsical when bored
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:57:22
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JS> I could go to church all the rest of my life and not contribute one
JS> cent and not hear a word from them on the matter.
Oh...you would never do something so foolish as that. How naive to think
you would not OWE anything to your church. Just TRY and get away with that
freeloader routine...and see how long it goes on before you are quietly
(or publically) escorted to the sidelines and asked what your 'problem'
is. Don't be so blind.
JS> have this twisted idea about the church and money
Yes...as they go hand over hand...twisting the guilt-ridden cork screw upon
their sheeple.
JS> You get too much of your religion from TV
Better yet...I let life itself be the greatest of teachers...not the armchair
guru paper-mill life-master minister wannabees from some neighborhood church.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Gweeny...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:58:40
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Gwenny the Pooh:
ML>> Staal's stalled in the vast lane.
GtP> Remember when he was calling me Gweeny and stuff like that.
JS> Merely a typo, due to the problem I was having with my hands and
JS> the time...
Translation: Jim was stroking with the wrong one at that moment...and mis-fired.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Fof update
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:59:06
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Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote in a message to David Worrell:
DW>I've noticed that AOL has started sending its stuff on CD-ROM.
DW>Bastards.
KDM> But they make for *great* frisbees. Or coasters.
I use their highly reflective properties and bounce the sunlight coming
in through the window through a magnifier and into the fireplace, where
a nice new fresh stack of 'King James' are waiting to show their true glowing-hot
babble colors. Saves a lot on the matches.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Tsk...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:49:27
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to John Prewett:
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate
JS> filled spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical
JS> judgement out of them to be vented against God's elect.
And you have no real gawds to show for it....so they are even.
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