God Damned Fundies!
|From: Preston Simpson
|To: John Musselwhite
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, John Musselwhite mumbled "ONE LAST COMMENT
01/"
PS> Me neither. It's a dead body, for cripe's sake. Why bother with
PS> putting it in the ground?
JM> 'Cause if you leave it outside it attracts wild animals. B-})
Well, there's that.
... Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sue Armstrong mumbled "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."
SA> Heh. I was proud of myself yesterday .. I finally found soemthing
SA> that can sort of multitask on this doddering old machine. I was a
"sort of"?
SA> little iffy about the thing, since you have to allocate memory
SA> usage for each "instance" of DOS yourself. Wasn't sure if I'd
Nyrgh.
SA> crash anything or not by fiddling about with it. :) I've been a
SA> bit gun-shy, as it were, since the fiasco with trying a DOS 6.0
SA> upgrade and Stacker. (Lost everything in that little adventure.)
Not good. My solution was to get a pair of hard drives large enough that
I wouldn't *need* Stacker.
... Being a pain in the ass is a prerogative of the creative mind.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: When jfk walks among
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sue Armstrong mumbled "When jfk walks among"
PS> I'm 20 now. 25 is old to me, mostly because I'm already starting to
PS> get arthritis and other "old folks' problems." Bah.
SA> Phooey. I had ulcers at 16. I had my first kid at 20. I
SA> apparently don't have any grey hairs yet, but I'm working on them.
I can't beat you on the kid bit. You win.
... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: Christianity...today.
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Scot Bear mumbled "Re: Christianity...today."
> I wonder. It was people not to different from him who helped
> Hitler stay
> in power.
SB> Naw. Jimbo's got height but not-enough testosterone to be a nazi.
Could be.
> There's a difference between refusing to say uncle and ignoring
> reality so blatantly.
SB> I just think he's harmless---and stubborn! VERY stubborn! I bet if I
SB> ever got to GR, he'd welcome me with open arms...er let me re-phrase
SB> that! :)
> I'm not sure that this would happen, though I respect your
> opinion.
SB> ...and I, yours, sir...
Thank you.
... "Oh, bother," said Pooh as he composed Roo's ransom note.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Pink?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Steve Quarrella mumbled "Pink?"
JS>> DEFINE THEY!
PS> You happy?
SQ> Why do you have to explain "they" to an English major? head>
Don't ask me, I just work here.
... "A government supported artist is an incompetent whore." - RAH
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""
PS> I catch the reference, but I've always hated the Beatles.
DW> Get your affairs in order. I'll be in Memphis in May. You'll be in
a
DW> morgue shortly thereafter.
I quake in fear. I stand behind my conviction that the Beatles were a bunch
of whiny snots.
PS> Elvis too.
DW> Hmmmm.... I guess I can forgive the blasphemy against the Beatles
DW> since you're an Elvis hater.
Your magnanimity is appreciated.
DW> Don't let it happen again, though.
Never.
... Cthulhu/Ghatanothoa in 96! Screw the environment!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Circular...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Circular..."
JS> And it can only be accepted by faith. I have no problem with that. 2
JS> Timothy 3:16 says it for me, Dick.
PS> That is circular reasoning, Jim. You might as well say that because
PS> this IOU I have says that it's true, then you really do owe me US$1.8
PS> billion.
JS> Not even close.
Leave it to you to fail to understand a concept so blatantly simple that
a child could grasp it. If I ask you to provide evidence that the Bible
is holy writ, you DON'T turn to the Bible. You look for external
verification. Just because something *says* that it is holy does not *mean*
that it is holy. Can you understand this?
... "Bother," said Pooh, as he buried Piglet in the fire ant mound.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Tsk...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Tsk..."
JB> I know just what a bigotted, hateful asshole you are.
JS> Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred
JS> Rice makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled
JS> spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical judgement out of
JS> them to be vented against God's elect.
How do you know that you are one of "God's elect," as opposed to being
a dupe of that Satan guy you call the Father of Lies?
... All that glitters has a high refractive index.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: You watch your mouf...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "You watch your mouf..."
DW> Does Jimmy-boy imagine that we're concerned with the opinion of his
DW> alleged wife (which state is it that allows humans to marry blow-up
DW> dolls, anyway)? If she exists, she can't be too damn bright - she
DW> married him.
JS> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave
JS> the lovely Wilbur out of it.
Or what? You're going to hurt him? Put your fist through the monitor?
Hunt him down and kill him? Give in to your impulses to be a violent
asswipe, Jim. Discard your hypocrisy and admit flat out that what you
really want to do us punish all of us wicked ol' blasphemers for not
kowtowing to the god of your choice.
... Jesus is coming? I wasn't even aware he had sex regularly.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "The Bible and The Bible
alone"
DW> Which Biblical principles has she sacrificed, Jim-bob?
JS> Not that it is any of your business, but it would appear that she is
a
Oh? Is it *your* business?
JS> bit unsure in regards to the immaculate conception and virgin birth
of
JS> Christ, the resurrection, certain aspects of the after life, to name
a
JS> few. You got a problem with that!?
You have a problem with simple questions, or do you just naturally
indulge in being a pompous ass?
DW> Do we really have that much power over you, Jim-Bob, that we can
DW> control how you react?
JS> You have no power at all.
This from someone who lets himself practically froth at the
mouth from some of the things that we say?
DW> So much for that "big, bad, Leroy Brown" image you try so vainly
DW> to project.
JS> I know nothing of which you speak...
It figures that the completely obvious would escape your feeble grasp.
... "Bother," said Pooh, as the police pried up his floorboards.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:25
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Circular reasoning"
JS> Hmmm...I, of course, know nothing of this 'circular reasoning' you
JS> speak of,
SS> Of course you don't. The bible is the word of god. How do I know?
SS> BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BIBLE, THAT'S HOW!
SS> That's circular reasoning, milk-crate.
JS> It makes perfect sense to me, Shelby. I'm sorry you cannot accept it.
Of course it does. But to a thinking person, it doesn't.
... Fundamentalism: Give yourself to Christ, as no one else wants you.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:14:25
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ryan Shaw mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""
ML> Sound familiar?
PS> I catch the reference, but I've always hated the Beatles. Elvis
PS> too.
RS> You are going straight to hell for that one!
Bother.
... "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!" - McCoy
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Neo-pagans
|Date: 29 Jan 96 06:03:24
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Quoting KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT to JESSE JONES on 01-26-96
KW>JJ>Quoting KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT to JESSE JONES on 01-16-96
KW>
KW>JJ>KW>JJ> Katherine, I may have been sloppy in my use of the word
KW>JJ>KW>JJ>"pagan," meaning to refer to the New Age adaptation of
KW>JJ>KW>JJ>indigenous earth religions, but I was not unaware or
KW>JJ>KW>JJ>unappreciative of the great religions of the East, to which
KW>JJ>KW>JJ>I meant no disrespect (and which I did not mean to include).
KW>JJ>KW>Oh, so you just mean to show disrespect to the Neo-pagans? I
KW>JJ>KW>see.
KW>JJ> That's the word I should have used: neo-pagan. Thank you.
KW>JJ>And the answer is, yes.
KW>
KW>So you freely admit that you are intentionally showing disrespect for
KW>a group that you know almost nothing about?
Yes, that is true. I confess: I have disdain for neo-pagans. I
also have disdain for adherents of the so-called militia movement, for
people who claim to have been visited by extraterrestrials, and by
people who watch Geraldo Rivera. I admit I may be excluding some
individual who actually has a lot to offer. But I doubt it, frankly.
KW>JJ>KW>That's alright, Jesse. We see you as a construct to politicly
KW>JJ>KW>control the masses while robbing them blind.
KW>
KW>JJ> Please explain what you mean. How does Christianity
KW>JJ>"politically control the masses" or "rob them blind"? What
KW>JJ>political philosophies do you espouse which are at odds with
KW>JJ>Christianity?
KW>It is political control when a group is instructed under the threat
KW>of temporal and eternal punishment that to think the wrong thoughts
KW>or believe in the wrong leader is not to be tolerated. It is robbing
I don't see that happening. The people who adopt certain moral or
political positions do so of their own free will, it seems to me.
KW>those people to expect them to support the churches with money that
KW>they do not have to give (is there anything more pitiful than a
KW>hungry child kneeling before a gold decked altar?).
Never seen one myself. But I've seen plenty of churches feeding
the poor.
KW>As for my political philosophies, they revolve around respect for
KW>myself and others, freedom of thought, word, and choice, and social
KW>responsibility. The creepy self loathing and casting of blame as
KW>practised by many christians is abhorrent to me. Pat Robertson
KW>holding his hand out for dictatorship of the country while wrapping
KW>the mantle of god's chosen around himself is obscene in my eyes. The
KW>CC and Religious Right give me echoes of goosestepping androids
KW>marching by the flickering light of burning books.
I too have disdain for the Religious Right. I am a liberal
Democrat myself.
KW>You are a lawyer, are you not? Do you serve the law, Jesse, or do
KW>you prostitute it to serve Mammon? How much pro bono work have you
KW>done, and for whom? How do you select those that you help?
Well, since you asked. I spend 25 - 40% of my working time as a
volunteer for social service agencies. I am President of the Board of
an $8 million-a-year multi-service agency that provides transitional
housing to homeless families, refugee resettlement, employment training,
tutoring and special programming for at-risk youth, including first-time
offenders, housing for People with AIDS, and other services. These
services are provided to all, without regard to religion. I serve as
Vice President of another agency which operates a chaplaincy service for
AIDS victims, provided on a non-judgmental and non-discriminatory
manner. I also serve on the board of a CHDO sponsored by an inner city
African Methodist Episcopal Church, developing affordable housing in the
inner city. I am a senior partner in a law firm which provides pro bono
service to many other nonprofit organizations.
Jesse Jones -- Miami, FL -- 01/28/96
72122.1763@compuserve.com
þ CMPQwk 1.42 1319
"Some days it all seems so feudal," sighed King Arthur.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Holiday greetings...
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:55:40
EID:4531 203586e0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 101da08b
REPLY: 1:157/200 35020dcb
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote in a message to Jose Gomez:
JG>that God is a personal God that only seeks to have a relationship
JG>with you and love you.
KDM> Been reading Jack Chick, have we?
Only reading it?? Hell, he's been screwing Jack's chick for months. Jack
will find out soon enough, though! :)
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Pt 2/4: interesting disco
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:57:02
EID:e7b1 20358720
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote in a message to J.J. Hitt:
KDM> I thought mormons were forbidden to use drugs. Or have they
KDM> lifted the ban on halucinagens?
KDM> ... Don't use commas, which, aren't necessary.
Nah! They still must read their babble each day...the biggest hallucinagen
there is! Keeps the *noids off the streets and in the church where they
funnel their dough and make the endless Nooooooooooooooooooodle casseroles!
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 22 Jan 96 01:07:00
EID:5604 203608e0
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REPLY: 1:152/67.0 1006b26e
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Gwenny and Ryan were killing time yakking about FOF:
RS> ...anyhow, I think Steve was pointing out the hypocrisy in having sex
RS> shops on every corner and then turning around and banning a video
RS> game.
Isn't it strange how we automatically combine violence and sex? They are
two
different concerns.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 01:08:46
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Jim and Ryan were killing time yakking about Fun in Church...:
JS> Hmmm...in my church there is expounding from the word. Would
JS> hardly fall into the category of brainwashing. If the dude in the
JS> pulpit makes incorrect statements, they are rejected and he is
JS> called to task.
RS> It's simple. What you have is a man [or a woman] standing in front
of
RS> people telling them what to believe. The same could be said for
RS> certain prof's at the university. They're both forms of brainwashing.
RS> Not all prof's fall into that category however.
Nor do all pastors. :)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Be careful, or you'll fall into a category.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Crustian jobs
|Date: 22 Jan 96 01:25:45
EID:3a2e 20360b20
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REPLY: 1:157/200 350e06d6
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote in a message to Ken Wiens:
BH> CHRISTIAN HORIZONS
BH> Front line staff required to work with developmentally and
BH> behaviourally challanged individuals in group home settings.
BH> Working from a Christian perspective, education and experience
BH> are required.
KW> Looks fine to me. If the organization is owned and run by
KW> christians why shouldn't they be able to choose who they
KW> want as employees?
KDM> It's called discrimination.
Naw...not really. It makes very good sense. Looking at the Ad...they obviously
need staff individuals who personally understand the complexities and emotional
needs of their own patients.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 22 Jan 96 01:27:37
EID:4582 20360b60
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SR> Just shut-up and show us your gawd(s) already.
AS> Well, THERE is a thinking response. Now, let me make this clear;
AS> you want me to show you the anthropic 'coincidences'? I would be
AS> DELIGHTED to do so, but be warned, if you request it, it will
AS> consist of fifteen very lengthy posts. (Which I've archived.)
Sigh. Naturally, the mind of a fundy at work. Ask to see their so-called
gawds...and instead of producing them they stick ya with reams of bloated
text which describes them all in perfectly minute detail...minus any substance.
What's wrong...got no gawds to produce for us, today? So instead we only
get prepared speeches? How very protective you are of your fantasy worlds.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Douglas Duke
|Sub: mellowing
|Date: 22 Jan 96 01:28:01
EID:877e 20360b80
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Douglas Duke wrote in a message to Bryson Hughes:
DD> We are unequally yoked in this conference, I am signing off this
DD> conference for ever and ever.
What bull...babble boy. You'll simply be back...most likely under a different
xtian alias...to start your church-master's circus performance all over
again.
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Homosexual christians?
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:51:00
EID:f000 2033b660
MSGID: 1:147/48 24a80f33
TID: GE 1.2
GWENNY, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
->> Abraham, take your only son, whom thou lovest, and offer him as a
->> burnt sacrifice to me.
LW> Pooh Bear
GT>Yes, foolish man.
LW> It never happened.
GT>So, you are admitting that the events recounted in the bible are just
GT>stories.
Phooey Poohey!
I'm admitting that you didn't read the whole story. I guess
that makes you a "foolish woman".
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:52:00
EID:f1f5 2033b680
MSGID: 1:147/48 24a80f34
TID: GE 1.2
DAN, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
-> On 01-15-96 23:47, Les Wilcox got back to Dan Ceppa
LW> Grow up! I've already explained that this program doesn't have
LW> a 30 day limitation from the author. You worry about registering
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DC>Are you done evaluating it? Or are you too stupid to understand
DC>the concept?
LW> Show me that stipulations from the author or shut up!
DC>Read the fucking documention, you piece of shit.
Look Dan Creepy! Post the documentation or shut up!!!
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 21 Jan 96 02:29:00
EID:e8f2 203513a0
MSGID: 1:147/48 24a80f35
TID: GE 1.2
DAVID, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
DW>15 Jan 96 23:47, LES WILCOX wrote to DAN CEPPA:
LW> Dan Creepa
DW>Do you think Jesus is proud of you right now?
David
Is your god proud of you?
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 21 Jan 96 02:31:00
EID:8f2e 203513e0
MSGID: 1:147/48 24a80f36
TID: GE 1.2
DAVID, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
DW>15 Jan 96 23:46, LES WILCOX wrote to ROBERT JACKSON:
LW>> Which "Christian cult" are you referencing? There's several.
RJ>> Not a good track record for the One True Word , is it?
LW> Has nothing to do with a track record, its just the norm when
LW> men like Joseph Smith try to start something.
DW>As opposed to when men like Saul/Paul try to start something, huh?
David
I find that Paul only elaborates on Jesus teaching.. What did
he start that that the other Apostles confronted his error?
Les
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: ------
|Date: 22 Jan 96 00:16:00
EID:d41b 20360200
-> No, Satan is not a Christian concept. Like so many other things, the
-> cross, Xmas upon Winter Solstice, Mass, the Phallus, etc... The name
-> or concept was 'borrowed' by the Christians in creating or updating
-> their religion.
That's true. It's a jewish concept.
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re:------ Part 2
|Date: 22 Jan 96 00:19:00
EID:fc8a 20360260
-> I try to uphold the earliest philosophy of Satanism, which pre-dates
-> Christianity by many years. Because Christianity did not exist at
-> Satanism's creation, it was not inherently anti-christ. I view all
-> of the original Pagan
Hooey. Name a pre-Christian group who worshiped Satan by that name.
Tell us when Satanism was invented, and who invented it. Give us some
substance here, instead of the usual specious claims of antiquity being
shopped by everyone from the Wiccans to the Shriners.
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Satanist
|Date: 22 Jan 96 00:25:00
EID:e54d 20360320
-> As> The so-called sins are not bad as they all lead to emotional,
-> As> physical, or mental gratification.
-> I disagree. Theft in most cases is bad, as is rape and slavery. Why
-> would you believe that these things are good?
His statement makes more sense if you substitute "vices" for "sins".
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|From: David Johnston
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: Satanist
|Date: 22 Jan 96 00:26:00
EID:35d9 20360340
-> I practise the sins in ways that harm no one who does not deserve it.
-> So if someone has won my anger, and I rip him off, this is a good
-> thing, for I get some cool shit and because of his/her loss s/he
-> become hurt just a little.
It's good to know that you will only murder the people who annoy you.
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|From: Robert Berndt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religio
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:03:00
EID:341f 2034b860
MSGID: 1:280/26 351604b7
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
L> As> My religion, however, is totally logical, and does not deny man's
L> As> carnal desires or the intellect as these white-ligter religions
do.
L> As> It holds these as
L> As> objects of celebration. I practise all of the so-called sins as
much
L> As> as possible, because they all lead to emotional, mental, or physical
L> As> gratification. I do not look forward to a glorious afterlife,
because
L> As> if i were to waste my time doing so i would perish amidst plenty.
My
L> As> golden rule is
L> As> 'do unto others as they've done to you', instead of that other
which
L> As> is so incompetently practised by so many of today's society. I
do not
L> As> believe in 'an
L> As> eye for an eye, a tooth for atooth'. I follow a saying that goes
L> As> more like 'an eye for a limb, a tooth for a head'.
I'm sorry to learn that true satanism has so little back-bone. What you
speak of is the same mentality as the 6 year old on the playground who
slugs somebody because they took his jump rope. Why don't you try some
thing that requires a little guts? If someone strikes you on one cheek,
turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him
from taking your tunic. This takes a lot more growth and character that
lashing out at who ever gets in your way. I'm sorry that you have fallen
into a pit of thinking that you are actually strengthing yourself through
this religion. If you truly have strength, try going one day without swearing
once. I imagine you can't do it because you don't have the strength you
think you have. Give me a post back and let me know how you do.
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|From: Robert Berndt
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Bunk!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:20:00
EID:1888 2034ba80
MSGID: 1:280/26 351604c8
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E011051
LC> "Do what thou wilt."
Interesting tag line. Are you a satanist? I recognize it from the satanic
bible.
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|From: Don Martin
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Persecution Central
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:10:13
EID:822b 20356140
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31037d3f
David Worrell said "Farewell To Holysmoke" to Don Martin, adding:
GZ>> I came hear to preach that message of Jesus. To help those who
GZ>> were lost.
DM> . . . .
GZ>> I knew however that this forum was a staunch stronghold for
GZ>> people who denounce Jesus. It was a harbor for Atheists and
GZ>> Agnostics. A place where I would be persecuted.
DM> Apparently we Atheists and Agnostics were not lost
DM> enough--nor was Zilly persecuted enough--for him to continue
DM> his efforts. There is no pleasing some people.
DW> I knew this would happen when I lost my tongs and thumbscrew. I guess
DW> I'll have to go out and buy another set.
So YOU'RE the one!. The poor guy comes here, expecting a good
persecution, and YOU have lost your tongs and thumscrews! How many
times do I have to tell you to PUT THINGS AWAY WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH
THEM AND YOU'LL KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM? But you never listen. Now
this poor Christian soul is wandering around in strange places,
seeking the service he feels we promised him. No wonder our repeat
business is lousy . . .
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Pope Shot
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:11:02
EID:d078 20356160
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31037d40
Judith Bandsma said "FOF" to Robert Jackson, adding:
JH> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent history
RJ> Like 1978?
JB> Not only was he NOT killed in the attempt, it wasn't even a head
JB> wound. He was gut-shot. Lost several feet of his intestine and had to
JB> wear a colostomy bag for almost a year.
Holy shit!
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 21 Jan 96 03:44:00
EID:24c5 20351d80
KW>RV>But to Al , and Mike ,and any current bible thumpers , they weren't
KW>RV>Real True Christians , never fear , if they had their way , It would
KW>RV>happen again .After all the current bible ,says it Aok , to kill
KW>RV>off those who don't buy into their lies.
KW>RV>Well maybe not Al , he might think about it , but at this point in
KW>RV>his life , i don't think he would try to stop it.
KW>Ronald, I don't think Al would go along with it. To give him his due,
I
That is what i said , maybe ,not Al.
KW>don't think that Mike would either. Now, Jim, Maria, Christian, that
Mike wants to control any womens body , from that stance to
control/killing off a human is no great step.
KW>group would be cheering the screams and roasting weenies over the coals.
There are a few /lot / in this town ,that would be there,to watch
me burn.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 21 Jan 96 03:58:00
EID:0861 20351f40
GTP>RV> She does seem to have most of her head on right , I have know
GTP>RV> of 2 other women , who had the shit beat out of them , that went
GTP>RV> the way of thinking for themselfs , and accept their own blunders
GTP>RV> instead of blameing anyone other then makeing a mistake , then
GTP>RV> correcting it.
GTP>RV> Now if only 10^9 more women would do that.
GTP>That's right, we are the ones to blame for everything that happens and
if W
I didn't mean it that way ,sorry if it can across that way.
GTP>ust get our act together, the world would be a better place for jerks
to si
GTP>und in their underwear and swill beer while watching wrestling.
Agree they are jerks or worse.
Ok. I said this very wrong. I've now know of 3 people who were in an
abuseive relationship , it seem to me , when they finally got killing
mad at the oppressor is when they finally decided its kill the bastard
or get out.It was when they finally quit blameing themselfs ,for the
beatings ,is when they got out.I don't hold the opion that anyone needs
what they went through ,if that is the way you took it. The 3'rd doesn't
seem to get mad at him .It's not something i understand at all ,sorry.
GTP>Sheesh....why can't men get THEIR act together TOO!!
Socity teachs men also , and its the mother that gets 1'st crack
at teaching the child.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: Ron, get out the book...
|Date: 21 Jan 96 03:59:00
EID:3cec 20351f60
JS> RV>But to Al , and Mike ,and any current bible thumpers , they weren't
JS> RV>Real True Christians , never fear , if they had their way , It would
JS> RV>happen again .After all the current bible ,says it Aok , to kill
JS> RV>off those who don't buy into their lies.
JS> Hmmm...interesting, but do you have any evidence to support this yarn?
JS> Any at all? If so, trot it out here and we'll take a look at it...
Try a history book.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: ----
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:29:00
EID:ac61 20354ba0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 890C0E2B
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 01-19-96 09:57, Dick Holm got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> It's interesting to note how the parallels become self-contradictory
DC> from the attempts to draw them and reconcile them.
DH>
DH> I don't think they're self-contradictory. I think that Matthew and
DH> Luke used different sources. Genealogies were probably more of a
DH> family memory, and they just asked different families for their
DH> background. Either that, or they just made them up to suit themselves.
The last is the better explanantion, as they are also an attmept
to make it fit the "40" mold in one of them. Yet, even there, you
only get to 39.
DC> Thing is, other than in the OT, there are no secular references to
DC> Moses at that time, from the Egytians or any other source.
DH>
DH> Doesn't matter. The Jews have Moses in their mythologies. Jesus is a
DH> Jew. Let's make him fit the mythology.
And, mythology is the correct way to view it all.
DC> idea of that is simply ludicrous. But, as above, it's necessary
DC> to get the Nazarean into having a birth in Bethlehem.
DH> Yup. Interesting how mythologies develop. More interesting is why.
DH> Most interesting is when the fundies don't recognize that it is
DH> mythology.
That's what everone seems to be here for....
DC> ... Hey Santa! How much for your list of naughty girls??
DH> ... Jesus saves bad girls, but he didn't save one for me.
Kept them all to himself? How selfish!
... If a tree falls on a mime, does anyone care?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:36:00
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-> On 01-19-96 22:47, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
Which poltroon Staal is attempting to converse this time around?
JS> HA! Let the English major point it out to you, dude...'no poltroon'
is
JS> perfect grammar...
That's fine... Who are you going to play the role of the English
Major, 'English Major'?
... "Oh, bother", said Pooh as he loaded another clip into his Uzi.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub:
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:39:00
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-> On 01-19-96 15:05, Jim Staal got back to Dave Ray
Which research-impaired Staal is it this time?
DC> support the teachings of Jesus, they _authored_ the bulk of
DC> those theories that your godling claimed as his own.
JS> However, he hasn't and he cannot because he is in error and the only
JS> evidence there is is to the contrary...
I see you haven't bothered to take the time out to read anything
about Hillel. Figures, as his works bebunk your little diatribe
above.
No, crawl back into your hole and scream, "Is Not!"
... +Origin: Sack O' Shit Network: Lying for Jeezus!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal's bigotry again
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:58:00
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-> On 01-19-96 22:50, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> The rubbish you refer to was written by Hillel.
JS> LIAR!!! BLASPHEMER!!!
DC> Such a pity that your bible contains
DC> many of the same words and concepts taught by Hillel.
DC> Try reading Hillel's works. Then, compare what he wrote to
DC> what is in your babble, you babbling idiot.
JS> So some moron plagiarizes the Bible...so what? Many alleged 'wise' men
JS> and philosophers have done so and claimed a following. Dig deal.
That "moron" is probably the most famous and learned scholar of
the Hebrew bible, you stupid twerp. His words were recorded in
the Babylonia Talmud, Shabbat, before your bible was written. If
it wasn't for some of his writings, your Jesus would not have
had anything to say.
It is he that taught Gamaliel, who is needed in your "NT" to
legitimize your religion. You have just knocked out yet another
pin supporting your house of cards.
Another work that would interest you is of another Jewish writer,
RabbiAkiba, in 89 BCE, where it is recorded that, 'Rabbi Akiba said,
"Though shalt love thy neighbor as yourself" is the greatest
principle of the Law.'
There you have it, you consumate liar. It is your bible that has
done the plagiarizing. Must make you so proud to be following the
word of thieves, Jimbo.
After all, silly Fundy, it is you that follows the works of
the "alleged 'wise' men and philosphers".
... Next time, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 10:10:00
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-> On 01-19-96 22:50, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
Which lying lump of Staal is this?
DC> Is that anything like you telling Gwenny that she was at fault
DC> because her husband beat her?
JS> Never said that, Danno, never said that. The FAQ backs me on that one.
Just how are you able to look at yourself in the mirror?
JS> ... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural
JS> superior
It's such a pity that no one gives a flying fuck how high the shit
that you are composed of is piled, bigot.
... "You are so full of religion that your eyes are brown." Fredric Rice
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: BUS CRASH
|Date: 21 Jan 96 10:16:00
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-> On 01-19-96 09:57, Dick Holm got back to Dan Ceppa
DH> What have you got against Hee Haw?
DC> Buck Owens...
DH> Aw c'mon. I wouldn't mind the money he's made. I think he's made more
DH> than a TV evangelist, and it's more honest, too!
I doubt it was more, but I'll give you the honest part of that
argument....
... Evolution may be a theory, but it's a damned good theory!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: Cart before horse
|Date: 21 Jan 96 10:18:00
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-> On 01-19-96 09:57, Dick Holm got back to Hector Plasmic
HP> Ahem. Shouldn't you demonstrate that this "spirit" thingie exists in
HP> the first place before arguing about how solid it can appear to be?
DH> Why? How solid is smoke? or smoke and mirrors? :-)
Solid enough that the smoke can be detected via the refraction
and reflection of light waves.
... "God doesn't follow his own rules, he deserves no respect" Kelsey
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 21 Jan 96 10:48:00
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-> On 01-19-96 22:53, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
Which misogynist Staal am I reaching?
JS> Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
DC> "Believing in what isn't so." Samuel Clemens
JS> So? He also said that if a man gets a girl pregnant and then marries
JS> her it is as if he s**t in his hat and put it on his head. That didn't
JS> make sense to me either, as I married Wilbur back in '66 after she was
JS> preggers...
Nothing you say makes sense to anyone, Jimbo, including yourself.
Mind trying to explain how the fact that you got your girlfriend
pregnant has anything to do with faith?
... Are you really THAT stupid, or do you have to work at it?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Re: God Is Pure Evil!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 10:59:00
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-> On 01-17-96 17:39, Ken Wiens got back to Dan Ceppa
-> On 01-11-96 17:41, Kris Okelly got back to Martin Goldberg
KO> if god was evil he would not of made us..
DC>If god had any powers, he would have taught you grammar and
DC>spelling.
KW> I hope we don't need to drag god into this...I remember
Why? Was he a bad speller, too?
KW> students were much better in spelling and grammar than
KW> the American students. I just hate it when someone
KW> uses "of" when they should have used "have."
That's part of the work ethic in this country. Foreign students
tend to work harder and take more pride in their presentations.
KO> meny ways.. he gave me a loving family plus great firends.
DC>That's "andirons", or do you squeeze your cheeks together to
DC>hold the logs....
KW> This kid needs help.
ITMT, he/she is good for quite a few laughs!
... Nudder cashalty uv de You-Ass Skool sistum
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: new kid...
|Date: 21 Jan 96 11:43:00
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-> On 01-19-96 14:55, Jim Staal got back to Dave Ray
Which 'English Major' is this?
JS> Again, see my previous statement. I have only one master, Dave and He
JS> is God in the person of Jesus Christ.
So, Dave is Jesus Christ and you are arguing with him.
JS> I do my own thinging.
Stop playing with yourself, or you will go blind, 'erudite' Staal.
... The onus is on you, onager.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:16:00
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-> On 01-18-96 07:16, Andrew Masten got back to David Worrell
DW> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please present
DW> it. If not, kindly stop your whining.
AM> Yes, request denied, no.
Sure you have evidence, fundy. That's why you refuse to share it.
As to your whining, no one seriously thought that you could stop,
let alone would stop.
... "I _could_ prove it, but I don't wanna".
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:41:00
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-> On 01-17-96 17:47, Ken Wiens got back to Dan Ceppa
-> On 01-10-96 22:20, Les Wilcox got back to Larry Sites
LW> Grow up! I've already explained that this program doesn't have
LW> a 30 day limitation from the author. You worry about registering
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
DC>Are you done evaluating it? Or are you too stupid to understand
DC>the concept?
KW> I happen to have gotten mine registered some months ago.
Thing is, this has been going on for at least a few months.
KW> Doug works for DataStorm now. Still, an unregistered
KW> user would not be able to register at this juncture.
That may now be true. However, Les' concept of the situation
is still in question.
... The one day you'd sell your soul, souls are a glut.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lump
|Sub: Re: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:44:00
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-> On 01-18-96 15:38, Lump got back to Dan Ceppa
Which Lump are you?
DC> Which shit head Staal are you?
Lu> ....Tssk, tsk, tsk.....potty mouth!
Obviously, you recognized yourself in the inference.
Lu> doesn't..... But I suspect the dark red guy with a tail and horns
Lu> is bufuin you in the butt......
You have a rather strong need to believe in mythical constructs.
Goes to your family upbringing, or, in your case, inbreeding.
... God doesn't have to play by the rules, only his puppets do...
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:48:00
EID:aca3 20357600
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 890C0E38
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 01-19-96 06:16, J.j. Hitt got back to Dan Ceppa
JB>> I can lift that curse for you, easy. Only cost you $300
DC> Hey, I can do that for $200, and 1 finger!
JH> How about some toenail clippings and a Susan B. Anthony dollar?
You never where good at leaving straightlines, were you?
Anyhow, send the Susan B. As I know you are honest, here's
the finger!
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|From: Zach Doyle
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Neo-pagans
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:41:28
EID:2d5b 2035a520
MSGID: 1:153/455.0 3102a4f8
REPLY: 1:135/71.0 23ee406f
JJ> Please explain what you mean. How does Christianity "politically
JJ> control the masses" or "rob them blind"? What political philosophies
do
JJ> you espouse which are at odds with Christianity?
Have you ever seen whats inside the Vatican? They have enough wealth to
feed a couple small african nations for along time!! Point 2- the church
controled europe for most of the middle ages, thats political, right?
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|From: Zach Doyle
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: good idea!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:48:24
EID:95be 2035a600
MSGID: 1:153/455.0 3102a698
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fec998
DW> 15 Jan 96 20:11, Rob Burcham wrote to Christian Miller:
RB> (BTW, I'm not really a sun worshipper, since that wouldn't
RB> be too consistent with atheism. But if I ever do decide
RB> to worship something, I can't think of a better candidate.)
DW> How 'bout Cindy Crawford?
Hey, I feel an underground cult coming ;-)
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DOUGLAS DUKE
|Sub: MELLOWING
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:38:00
EID:b9cb 20354cc0
DD> Don't read some of the language on here.
DD>
DD> We are unequally yoked in this conference, I am signing off
DD> this conference for ever and ever.
To tell you the truth, Douglas, I never thought this was your sort of
echo. I think it is a wise decision on your part.
... The worst thing about censorship is ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ and it ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ!!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: BRYSON HUGHES
|Sub: MELLOWING
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:48:00
EID:63f3 20354e00
CM> "Mellowing out", eh? When one first gets saved they seem to be
CM> one of the "holy rollers". :) The "mellowing out" is simply comes
CM> with time.
BH> Isn't that the way it is? Just give them time.
BH>
BH> But in a way, it is bittersweet that the wild eyed fanatic has become
BH> a cool responsible citizen and a stable family man. There's a real need
BH> for a few fanatics to shake up the complacent.
BRYSON????????????????????
Hmmm. Are you aware that "Christian Miller" ran a BBS which had echoes
which included "Threesomes""S&M"and "Cheating on Your Spouse"?
I am, uh, surpised to see you here, Bryson. (Flabbergasted would be a
better word.) I really, strongly, sincerely think you should read this
echo at least a week before you log in. If you have, and know what you are
getting into, fine, but...knowing your stands on some issues, and
your--how shall I put this without giving it away to the echo as a
whole--your "spiritual insights" shall we say?--_I_ would not recommend
this echo to you. There is a REASON Douglas Duke just left.
Please take this in the spirit in which it is given. This is the
religious meat grinder of echoes.
... Really! I know what I'm doin%#&^ NO CARRIER
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ANNETTE SPENCE
|Sub: RE: HI
|Date: 21 Jan 96 09:52:00
EID:bc5f 20354e80
LB> The key word is "may", and if you are really focussed in here, you likely
LB> will find yourself asking questions you'd never thought about before.
But
LB> need not lead to an abandonment of your belief in God, but rather the
humbl
LB> realization that there is far more to learn. :)
AS> I have tried asking questions before on pods and got no responses.
It
AS> would be nice to be answered. I personally want to know more about
AS> alternative religions and belief systems. I hate foot in mouth
AS> syndrom and would like to hear about the things I am supposed to
AS> disagree with.
This is a good echo for such. I want to say that I've enjoyed your posts,
but we HAVE to do something about your initials...I was here FIRST.
Seriously, though, it IS weird to see someone else quoted as "AS>" besides
yours truly.
... I let my mind wander once. It never came back.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: Dead and unhappy
|Date: 19 Jan 96 16:50:00
EID:9f58 20338640
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting David Worrell to All <=-
DW> This reminds me of something I meant to bring up. There
DW> was an article in the local paper about fraud at a local
DW> cemetary. It seems that they regularly lost bodies, dumped
DW> bodies in ditches, put bodies in the wrong plot, and all
DW> sorts of other similar things. One of the families, however,
DW> was complaining that their corpse was buried facing *west*.
DW> Can someone explain the problem to me?
Oh, that's an easy one.
The dearly departed prefers sunrises to sunsets.
... "We Help You Out." Motto, Suicide Inc. (Limited)
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: UFO AREA 51
|Date: 19 Jan 96 16:53:00
EID:056f 203386a0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to David Rice <=-
-=> Quoting David Rice to Douglas Duke <=-
>DR> So. . . . See Big Foot around lately?
JB> I understand Staal is still posting. Why? Did you lose him
JB> again? You really have to be more careful with your
JB> playthings, David.
Er, I said "Big Foot," not "Big Ass."
... "Hemlock Lite: a third fewer pathogens than regular Hemlock." -- ML
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: NUT CASE #326522
|Date: 19 Jan 96 16:56:00
EID:f563 20338700
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to David Rice <=-
-=> Quoting David Rice to Judith Bandsma <=-
>DR> Doug: "There's a four-lane superhighway going 12 miles
>DR> up the mountain!"
JB> Do you call someone who builds a 12 mile highway up a 9
JB> mile mountain, an airhead?
Too low to call that person an Astronaut.
I wonder who paid for this highway, anyhow.
... "He's not dead, but He died for you!" -- Les Wilcox
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|From: Don Ward
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: HI
|Date: 21 Jan 96 08:07:58
EID:1184 01a77350
MSGID: 1:388/26 0b0861ba
While listening in I heard
Christian Miller speaking about Re: HICM>
A > So two wrongs make a right?
CM>No but three lefts do. Seriously... What God does is NOT wrong.
CM>How can a lower form of being (human) judge a great power? We just
CM>don't like what God does at times...
CM>Christian
Christian, if you are a Christian, why do you chat with unclean spirits?
Leave this den of fools to their on folly. And follow what the good book
says......
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless
chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, --
1
Tim 6:20 (NIV)
Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more
and
more ungodly. -- 2 Tim 2:16 (NIV)
Will you fall prey to the ungodly, morally bankrupt fools here? Or will
you
fall and pray for them?
Prov 15:2 The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the
fool g
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|From: Don Ward
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God
|Date: 21 Jan 96 08:07:59
EID:1184 01a77351
MSGID: 1:388/26 0b0861bb
While listening in I heard
Brad Jackson speaking about One God
BJ> I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
BJ> There is only One God, Not three!
BJ> Jesus is God! He dwelt amoung us in the Flesh!
BJ> Please follow along with some of these verses.
BJ> Isa. 43:10
BJ> Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have
BJ> chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am
h
BJ> before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
BJ>11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
BJ> 1 Timothy 3:16
BJ> And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
BJ> manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, pre
BJ> unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
BJ> Colo. 2:8
BJ> Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
a
BJ> the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not aft
BJ> Christ.
BJ>9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
BJ>10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
a
BJ> power:
BJ> Rev. 1:8
BJ> I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
BJ> is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
BJ> Don't take my word for this, please read your own bible to find
BJ> out the truth!
BJ> Believe only in God's Word!
BJ> I am just writing what I found out to be true!
AMEN.....
Now leave this Temple of UNGODLY Chatter before it takes you to hell with
it. Follow the scipture....
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless
chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, --
1
Tim 6:20 (NIV)
Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more
and
more ungodly. -- 2 Tim 2:16 (NIV)
Prov 15:2 The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the
fool g
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Re: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:46:09
EID:0376 203565c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d3
-=> Quoting Jose Gomez to George Rudzinski <=-
JG> George, you don't have to trust me!
Jose,
Don't worry I don't.
JG> I will not test the Lord, my God!! He has proven enough to me. If
JG> He has not proven Himself to you, and has left you alone, then you have
JG> no reason to believe. I do not ask you to believe in something that
is
JG> not evident to you. If you have given Him a chance and called Him with
JG> your heart.....
My heart pumps blood stupid.
JG> It's all a matter of time.
JG> God'll getcha!! Then, you won't need your pills!
Shithead. They aren't my pills. God stuck you in the ass again with some
bad
information.
Looks like the only one got by god was you.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Re: Jeezoids
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:56:29
EID:228c 20356700
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d4
-=> Quoting Jose Gomez to George Rudzinski <=-
JG> I WILL pray for you, George.
Save your prayers for me. Pray for starving children. You will find out
like
I did, that your god doesn't give a damn.
JG> And, He WILL come knocking on your door.
And Santa will come down my chimney. Grow up!
JG> And, if you pills do in fact even exist, they'll go to waste.
The pills exist, they sit on my monitor and kill gods.
My God
JG> is a personal God of love and POWER.
What power? Your pissant god can't even tell you what the chemical formula
is
for the pills sitting on my monitor.
In Jesus' name, I pray that God
JG> reveal to you will presence, and that He would heal you of the inner
JG> pain that you feel right now.
Sorry doofus, I have no inner pain. I'm doing quite well since I cured
myself
of your religion.
JG> In Jesus' name, I ask God to help you with that bitterness that
JG> you've had in your heart for some time now.
Sorry, no bitterness.
My the power of God
JG> overwhelm and confort you, my friend.
You aren't my friend and your god can't change that. You are an ignorant
moron
that believes in things that don't exist, and a person who wishes to cloud
other people's minds with your delusions.
I ask that in the name of the Son
JG> of the Living God. Amen.
Fuck Him and you, Amen.
Shorter prayer, same outcome.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Re: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:58:14
EID:dac2 20356740
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d5
-=> Quoting Jose Gomez to George Rudzinski <=-
JG> The wisdom of God is foolishness to men. May you catch what I have!!
JG> : ) : )
I caught it years ago. I am now cured of your disease and permanently
immunized against catching it again.
george
... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in protest.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Re: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:01:10
EID:7ab7 20356820
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d6
-=> Quoting Jose Gomez to George Rudzinski <=-
JG> i never said that you should be scared of anything. I said that YOU
JG> would step on YOUR OWN soul. God only wants to heal it.
JG>
JG> You don't scare Him either.
Jose,
God tell you that? I may not scar him, but I scare the shit out of fundies
like you when I refuse to follow your crap.
So who is God here? You fundoid squirrels claiming to talk for God or God?
I take my marching orders from God, and God has never talked to me.
george
... Believing is the easy part of salvation. The hard part is dying.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: David Sparrow
|Sub: Re: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:13:58
EID:1dfe 203569a0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d7
-=> Quoting David Sparrow to George Rudzinski <=-
GR> If he loves me, he will tell you the chemical formula for the pills
on
GR> my monitor, and you will tell me.
DS> Regardless of whether "JG" relays accurately the type of any pills you
DS> may take (oh at a guess, judging from your bitter ravings, surely your
DS> Doctor must have recommended something for your blood-pressure as well
DS> as keeping your angina under control, plus to stave off any repeats
of
DS> apoplexy ... I reckon you should be on Nitro heart-kickers, purely for
DS> my own amusement BOC)
David,
Guess all you want. Your pissant god can't tell you the chemical formula
for
the pills. Your pissant god did't even bother to tell you that they aren't
my
pills, and that I don't take them. They just sit on my monitor, and present
an obstacle for all you assholes that claim a personal relationship with
god.
or what you used to do with your sister is still
DS> no indication as to whether the source is "God", or a "demon", or just
DS> a long chat with someone who used to watch through a hole in the wall.
So what indication do you have for us that your bullshit is any different
from
a chat with God or Satan?
DS> So, you're being all bitter and twisted for no good reason at all -
or
DS> do you mean to tell us that if "JG" gets it right, you are immediately
DS> going to embark upon "developing a relationship" with this "God" which
DS> "JG" knows ? Pah, you're pathetic ...
Sorry dipshit, I'm not bitter and twisted. I just know how to smoke out
smarmy believing bastards like you.
I may well be pathetic, but you are short exactly one risen saviour. Just
like
every other fundie.
never mind asking a third party
DS> for the info about your tablets; go straight to the top, ask Him (God)
DS> yourself and bypass the line-noise.
Sorry, God doesn't know the chemical formula for the pills on my monitor.
If HE can't tell ya, then I guess
DS> you'll just have to ask your sister to read you the label.
Sorry stupid, the exercize here is not whether I know what the chemical
formula is, it is whether or not you religious pukes have a connection to
god.
So far the pills on my monitor have shown that you religious pukes don't.
george
... There is faith, True Faith, and Jesus didn't mean that. gr
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:22:56
EID:4c75 20356ac0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 310286d8
-=> Quoting Anthony Grigor-Scott to George Rudzinski <=-
AG> Dear George Rudzinski,
AG> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Fuck you in the name of Santa.
GR> Jim Staal has accused me of blasphemy. That is how they got Jesus.
GR> Jesus and I are accused of the same crime.
AG> Well, you're in the best Company. Count yourself blessed to be
AG> accounted worthy to bear the reproach of Jesus the Christ.
And count yourself dead? Sorry.
GR> Rather funny when it comes from religious zealots with a god in both
GR> cases.
AG> Why so? Satan is religious, and the god of this evil world.
So where is your god?
His
AG> subjects are therefore religious and worship (serve) him. Though many
AG> are athiest or agnostic.
Sorry stupid, if I'm not going to bow to your pissant god what makes you
think
I'm going to bow down to Satan?
Let's see, if your god tells me to do something and I tell him to kiss my
ass,
I get to go to hell. Where do I go if Satan tells me to do something and
I
tell him to kiss my ass?
GR> ... Fundies give mutton a bad name, sheep march on Washington in
GR> protest.
AG> You would not know a Fundamental if one looked you in the eyes.
Been one. I used to be like you.
And
AG> those that would march on Washington wouild be GOATS, not sheep. Read
AG> the Book!
Mark 16:15-18. Read it and believe in it.
Don't just graze.
george
... You handle religion by first cutting it off, and then killing it.
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: flood
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:09:21
EID:e8e3 2033b920
TID: IMAIL-386 1.75+ PK29
MSGID: 1:138/255.0 31027cf3
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Andrew Masten <=-
KW> What the hell were you expecting, Maria? For them to claim they were
KW> flooded with Kool-Aid? The flood stories are similar because they
KW> were describing the same type of event--i.e., the big bad water took
KW> over my house. Now you are going to tell us that there has only been
KW> one typhoon because all the stories tell us that the big wind took over
KW> my house? -!-
AM> You believe tarot cards divine the future.
ML> Wrong. I believe nothing.
This credo of yours," I believe nothing", what does that mean? Does
it mean that you are so convinced of what you think is true that it requires
no belief? Are you so arrogant to presume that you alone have cornered the
market on truth? And all who disagree are fools and naysayers? I don't
believe either you or science are the final arbiters of truth. Though I'm
sure you have never been wrong, cleary history shows science has made
some mistakes.
AM> Whats so
AM> unbelievable about a world wide deluge.
ML> Absolutley wrong! Melt the polar caps, and sea level would rise
ML> a few tens of meters, only inundating about 4-5% of low lying
ML> coastal areas. The fact remains that there is no where near the
ML> 2 additional hydrospheres of water on Earth to flood it to the
ML> depths reported in the mythology of the Bible.
ML> Besides, where'd all this water go and where's the global flood
ML> stratum?
Your probably right Marty. The figure I had was off the top of my
head. With sharp guys like you around, I'll refrain from "wagging". Prior
to Darwinism and the thought that things now are as they been for millions
of years, it was assumed that the strata in which they found so many fossils
was caused by a global flood. I know its hard to believe but 150 years ago
many scientists believed in God. Yet they made huge advances in understanding
nature.
Bottom line on the flood. If there is a God who created the entire
universe by faith in his spoken word, ie. "Let there be light, and there
was light" then of course a world wide deluge would be childs play. As in
fact would all the miracles in the bible. If the bible contained no miracles,
then why should we believe a diety was involved. God says of himself in
the
bible "Is there anything to difficult for Me." Now before you go ballistic,
I freely admit I'm engaged in circular reasoning. The real issue in this
echo is a debate over exclusive views, are we created or just a natural
process. I will continue to enter my thought into the market place of ideas
that we are created by a creator for a purpose.
Lastly, my original question was how someone who believes that tarot
cards divine the future, could find a worldwide flood untenable. Though
you
jumped on the flood issue, you remained silent on the other issue.
ML> ... Flood evidence? Let me guess...You've been watching CBS again.
ML> -!- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
ML> ! Origin: A Little Corner in Time BBS (1:106/113.0)
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Re: Gibbering Simp
|Date: 18 Jan 96 17:10:19
EID:88ef 20328940
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31003a9c
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Linterah caught Dick Cat Herding!
DH> I'm a Lutheran minister. Your comment here piqued my curiosity. Would
DH> you mind sharing what you found un- or dis- satisfying in
DH> Lutheranism? And what do you find more satisfying in Paganism?
So that you understand, I still respect my birth religion and the
religions of other people. Okay?
I thought my pastor was a wonderful person, so was his delightful
family. What I found disturbing was, as I sat in the choir loft, the
hypocritical behaviour of the congregation below surreptitiously
glancing around with the unmistakable expression on their faces of who
was dressed better than who.
I have since forgiven these people for their apparently unconscious
behaviour, but it hurt the then seventeen year old girl who could see
this when others couldn't.
And I suppose I really was a rebel at heart, but when you see other
people not exactly following the Ten Commandments or what I perceived
the Lord's word to be, I didn't feel like being part of this anymore.
Paganism offered/offers me a different path to achieve essentially the
same goals. I feel freer than I ever felt in a church environment and
still honor each and every human being as sacred. The Commandments, to
me, are condensed down into one simple rede: Do As Thou Wilt an Harm
None. In short, you do not hurt/harm anyone - yourself included - in
any way, shape, form or idea. I get to write up the service I feel is
appropriate for me and perform it knowing I'm heard. (I was not always
certain the Godhead heard me no matter what the Scriptures said.)
I believe everyone has their own true path. It may seem different from
everyone else's. But it will, in the end, achieve the same basic goals.
Bright Blessings upon you and yours,
Linda
... The paths are different, but the goal's the same!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: All
|Sub: Farewell To Holysmoke
|Date: 17 Jan 96 20:52:00
EID:52b8 2031a680
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 089483e7
REPLY: 1:271/320.0 30F818A0
PID: FM 2.02
Glen Zilly gave us the following farewell of late:
> Due to the removal of this forum from my current board becuase
> of its use of profanity and other unnaceptable language I will no
> longer be posting on the Holysmoke forum. I came to this forum hoping
> to shed some truth as to the misconceptions about Christianity. The
> following passage of Matthew sums up my reason for posting.
[scripture spouted like a busted shitpipe mercifully deleted]
CHEESE FOR SALE!! :-)
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: zfnx bgGld pah!
|Date: 17 Jan 96 20:54:01
EID:6a6f 2031a6c0
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PID: FM 2.02
>> I can damn near do that myself. If one of 'em happens to
>> have a triple-letter bra size and has legs that go all the
>> way up to her ears, I might be willing to negotiate some
>> kind of non-spontaneous orgasm, though... :)
> There you damned heterosexuals go again....waving your sexuality in
> NORMAL people's faces!
Fucking monosexuals -- can't ever agree on anything!!!!
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 17 Jan 96 21:06:02
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> On Friday, January 12th, 1996 - Sean McCullough wrote:
> SM> How about YOUR "God", Christian?? Got any evidence that YOUR God
> SM> exists outside of YOUR imagination??
> Gee, Jews believe in the Father. They just don't believe that Jesus is
> the Son.
The key word here is BELIEVE.
The Jews have no more evidence than the NO evidence YOU have.
Paul's lies in Hebrews NOTwithstanding, faith is NOT evidence.
Now: Got any EVIDENCE that your God exists outside your imagination, and
the imaginations of your fellow self-delusionists??
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Wicca
|Date: 17 Jan 96 21:07:03
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> SM> From what I understand, the white supremacist Odin cults opine that
> SM> the Wiccans are spineless wimps/para-Christians/"nigger-lovers";
they
> SM> not only don't claim Wiccan co-religionism, but publically despise
> SM> them.
> I do b'lieve I've heard similar statements. Yeah, come to think
> of it, I _do_ remember hearing a skinhead once saying some
> pretty
> scathing stuff about Wiccans and SewAge Crystalweenies .
> Almost word for word above.
>> They're probably people who feel the Wiccan reed doesn't apply
> SM> Period. The Odin cultists we speak of are strongly "left-hand". They
> SM> believe the Wiccan Rede (or any other formulation meaning "karma")
are
> SM> creations to keep lesser masses under control.
> If you think about it, doesn't the notion of "karma" equate
> to divine retribution? A metaphysical or faith-based system
> of punishment, as opposed to a practical, reality-based one
> of avoiding bad behavior due to real retribution (vengeance)
> or from a sense of empathy of the victim?
You got it.......
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 19 Jan 96 15:07:04
EID:d6b0 203378e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 098f0145
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PID: FM 2.02
> SA> Speaking of Prewett's "theory" - didn't the last pope who
> SA> was assassinated get a head wound, too?
> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent history
> being assassinated.
John Paul II, by assassin Mehmet Ali Agca.
Remember, one needn't die to have been assassinated. ANY attack from an
assassin suffices.
> But I'd guess that it's a safe bet that a few
> have been back in the days when the weapon of choice was poison and
> not a firearm.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 19 Jan 96 15:19:05
EID:f5d2 20337a60
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> Heilsa, Lynda!
> While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
> Lynda say to Katherine:
> KW>> Christian is some form of xtian. The other xtians on this echo don't
> KW>> seem to willing to embrace him, though.
> LB> Well, would YOU?! Who knows where he's been??! (outside, having a
> LB> threesome without his wife's knowledge, I guess)
> With goats....
> Saw a cute tagline the other day....
> ... Why did god make men? Cuz cucumbers can't lift boxes.
"A man goes to his lawyer, having been indicted by the County Grand Jury
for having sex with a Goat.
His lawyer tells him: 'Look, I normally stick to_business_ law; I don't
do
criminal. How much can you afford to spend??'
'$1000' came the reply from the accused man.
'$1000, eh??' asked the lawyer. 'Well, I've got this friend who'll take
the case. He's not the best in the world at cross-examination or issues,
but he's the best lawyer in the State at picking a Jury. And frankly, I
think he's as good as you're going to get for your $1000.'
So the day of Court comes, and our Defendant and his thousand-dollar lawyer
are sitting in the Defense seats, listening to the District Attorney declaim:
'Not only did this filthy pervert have sex with a Goat, but when he was
done, he made the poor Goat lick him off!!!'
Meanwhile, one of the esteemed Jurors turned to another one, and remarked:
'A good Goat will do that!!'"
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 19 Jan 96 15:28:06
EID:1bfe 20337b80
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> Heilsa, Luke!
> While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
> Luke say to Sean:
>>> KM> I do not pretend to believe in pixies, faries, vampires or
>>> KM> werewolves. They do not exist.
>>> I bet you also don't believe in witches either.
> SM>> Small problem there, Josh.
> SM>> There are far too many of us for Kenneth to ignore us or deny our
> SM>> existence.
> LC> You say that you are a witch.Do you have any evidence to support
> LC> this claim?
> Well, I suppose my saying that I know him
Biblically, even!! :-)
> and he is a practicing witch can't be taken as evidence, can it.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:30:07
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> Gwenny and Sean were killing time yakking about CHRISTMAS:
> SM> #ifndef "Judith Bandsma"
> SM> {#include Judith Bandsma}
> SM> #endif
> SM> #ifndef "Gwenny the Pooh"
> SM> {#include Gwenny the Pooh}
> SM> #endif
> Is this one of them thar wiccan spells, Sean??
Actually, more like ANSI C....... :-)
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: paul
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:40:08
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>-> On 01-13-96 16:15, Michael Hardy got back to Gwenny The Pooh
> GTP> answered. The the commander said, "I had to pay a big price for
> my
> GTP> citizenship" "But I was born a citizen," Paul replied. (NIV)
> MH> He had Roman citizenship, but he was raised as a Jew. He was
> MH> culturally and by education a Jew, and so his writing would reflect
> Not very likely, as he supposedly went to Jerusalem to study
> Judaism.
> MH> brought up in this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained
in
> Gamaliel taught well advanced students of the Torah. As Saul
> did not have that status, it is not likely that Saul ever met
> Gamaliel, let alone studied under him.
Some modern Jews believe that Saul was one of Gamaliel's _flunks_. He studied
under Gamaliel, all right -- and got El Booto!! :-)
It's on my list of "Things To Ask A Rabbi The Next Time I See One".
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: paul
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:07:09
EID:606d 2034b8e0
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>-> On 01-13-96 16:21, Michael Hardy got back to Dan Ceppa
> MH> Just one minor correction -- Paul was very much a Jew. He was not
> DC> Strange, Mikey, as Paul uses his Roman citizenship to help
> DC> get him out of Jerusalem when he was confronted for his heresy.
> MH> Minor mistake on my part. Paul had Roman citizenship, but he was
a
> MH> Jew in upbringig, culture and religion.
> You fail to remember that Saul claims to have been _born_ as
> a Roman citizen. It's unlikely that his Roman parents would
> also have been Jews.
Not unlikely at all, really.
The Empire was already in the mode of attempting to assimilate provincial
populations by making Roman citizens of their people from the top down.
In the early 200's, this was finalized: ALL freeborn men under Roman government
were Roman Citizens thereafter.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:17:10
EID:be4d 2034ba20
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0a1702cf
PID: FM 2.02
> Sean McCullough, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
> said to Dave Ray:
>> GtP> I live in a area that is like a peaceful park, and I NEVER FOR
>> GtP> A MOMENT consider that that baby-killing, woman-hating, racist
god
>> GtP> you kiss butt to could be responsible for it. An explosion is much
>> GtP> more reasonable.
>> Yeah, you would think that the wunderGod would have organized Garden
Of
>> the Gods better. (For you folks outside the Colorado Springs area,
>> that's a group of rock formations that are volcanic in origin
> SM> Either you have never left your car anytime you've visited the Garden
> SM> of the Gods, or you are no Marty Leipzig, or both.
> Indeed. To both.
> SM> The Garden of the Gods is a collection of SEDIMENTARY rocks, from
the
> SM> modified marine limestones (alabasters) of the White Ramparts north
of
> SM> the entrance, to the red sandstones of which the Kissing Camels and
> SM> other related formations are made.
> SM> The Balanced Rock, in fact, is an example of where the marine
> SM> limestones weathered away faster than the sandstones did, leaving
a
> SM> HUGE fucking chunk of red sandstone undisturbed (until 1956) on a
tiny
> SM> point of it. (In 1956, some asshole blew the Rock off its pivot using
> SM> explosive charges.)
>> that are a nice complement to our view of the Rockies here.)
> SM> Yeppers. But it's the Rockies themselves that are the volcanic
> SM> granites, NOT the Garden of the Gods.
> Point of petrological procedure, Herr McCullough; granites are
> plutonic in origin.
"Igneous" and "volcanic" are NOT synonyms -- gotta remember that!! All volcanic
minerals are igneous; NOT all igneous minerals are volcanic.....
> (But the rest is very, very good. You've
> been studying those heathen texts again, haven't you?)
Goat damn right!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: So -shoot- me!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:39:11
EID:b371 2034bce0
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> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Sean McCullough mumbled "So -shoot- me!"
> SM> beings.
> SM> As the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal correctly asserted, one's
> SM> fighting in a war on a given side IS conclusive evidence of one's
> Well, no.
> There were quite a few Southerners (usually poor, under-educated, and
> not slave-holders) who fought simply because they felt the North had
> invaded their homelands. That's enough to make anyone human fight.
Especially when one remembers that the __manufacture of social consent__
by the wealthiest classes didn't begin in Noam Chomsky's time.
And again, the fact that many of these people WERE under-educated DOES figure
in here.
> Slavery had nothing to do with their decisions--as they saw it, they
> were taking up arms to defend their homes from foreign invaders.
True. I was speaking more to the level of those who made policy decisions
-- who WERE almost always slaveholders or at least members of the slaveholding
classes -- rather than the poor bastards on BOTH sides, to who the Civil
War was "a rich man's War, but a poor man's Fight".
The proverb quoted, BTW, was coined during same War.
Also: I have indeed gotten this radical about WAGEslavers, too; your point
about THEM was well-taken.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: fetii are persons 1/4
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:43:12
EID:cacc 2034bd60
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0a1702d1
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> Michael and Steve were killing time yakking about fetii are persons 1/4:
> SQ> Salue, Michael!
> SQ> I don't mean to engage in pedantics, but it's "feti" or "fetuses."
> Are you *quite* sure it's not "fetera"?
Quite.
The plural -era is a Third Declension inflection.
"Fetus" is a First Declension term, as are 4/5 of all Latin terms ending
in -us.
That's the advantage of relatively uncorrupted and structured languages
like Latin and Greek. Inflectional meanings in an inflected language tell
a great deal about the terms used.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:59:13
EID:b88d 2034bf60
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0a1702d2
PID: FM 2.02
> -=> Quoting Sean Mccullough to Dick Holm <=-
> SM> The Laws which govern HolySmoke -- worldwide -- are AMERICAN ones.
> SM> Here's why:
> SM> HolySmoke originates in the US, as do Christian's messages. A VERY
few
> SM> Canadians also post, but the Echo belongs to the United States. It's
> SM> technical headquarters are here, it's creator/owner is here, as are
the
> SM> vast majority of the users who ever have used or ever will use the
> SM> Conference.
Note well: This is simple international law. The nation that creates something
has default jurisdiction over it.
> SM> Americans have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to free expression,
> SM> INCLUDING THAT OF HATRED.
> SM> And that is as it should be -- everywhere.
> THat's too bad. Maybe you Americans could learn a thing or two from
> those crazy Canucks in the land of ice and snow. :-)
Yeah. We can learn how to be even MORE over-governed, and have even MORE
critical individual freedom taken from us along with even MORE of our hard-earned
money!!
DISGUSTING.
slack -- s.
~!~ The Second Amendment is the guarantee of all the others!
--- FMail 0.94
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:06:14
EID:f0f5 203500c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0a1702d3
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30fdd2b0
PID: FM 2.02
> SM> The Balanced Rock, in fact, is an example of where the marine
> SM> limestones weathered away faster than the sandstones did, leaving
a
> SM> HUGE fucking chunk of red sandstone undisturbed (until 1956) on a
tiny
> SM> point of it. (In 1956, some asshole blew the Rock off its pivot using
> SM> explosive charges.)
> Which only leaves us with happy memories of what once was
> from Roadrunner cartoons...
Actually, it was replaced in position -- but it had to be concreted in place.
Several other balanced rocks exist in the Garden unmolested, however!!
slack -- s.
--- FMail 0.94
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Leaf me alone.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:51:38
EID:4219 20365e60
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-16-96 06:52, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> Here's a news update (Robert Jackson, you listening?). In Oslo,
DC> Hopefully!
ML> they decided that they must know exactly how many folks are
ML> inhabiting the ground between the borders. To facilitate this,
ML> an oak in the city square had all it's shoots counted. Now,
ML> each citizen takes one, the remainder counted; subtract the two
ML> values and voila: the number of people living in Norway.
ML> Seems everyone must take a leaf for their census.
DC> Then, there was that big Karate scandal in Japan. The teachers
DC> weren't doing their job. Seems like the students got really upset
DC> as they all decided to leave from their senseis..
To make matters worse, they invaded a library and took pages
from every book by Maurice (a well know author of children's
works). Yep...they took leaves from the Sendak.
... Anderson is a common name but 'Chang' is much more common.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Potent potables.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:51:50
EID:523c 20365e60
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
RJ> BTB, did you get my netmail?
ML>
ML> Indeed I did. Now, Herr Jackson; Russkaya or Belly Ice, which
ML> for you?
RJ>
RJ> Which one would you recommend?
Either; depending on whim.
RJ> I'm not much of a vodka
RJ> drinker, but I do know what quality spirit is. If it's got a
RJ> flavor (lemongrass sounds interesting)
Ever hear of "Hunter's Vodka"? Dark as night, with an
interesting herb flavor.
RJ> that would be neat.
Only if you drink it straight up.
RJ> Now, if you're heading to that Armenian area and you find
RJ> whatever their version of ouzo or arak is (I understand they
RJ> call the good stuff "tiger's milk") and obtained some of that
RJ> nectar, you would have a friend till the end.
On the next go-round, I'll be in Novii Urengoy, Kraznoyarsk,
Khanty-Mansisk, Ufa and finish up in Tashkent. I should be able
to scare up an oddity or two.
RJ> But whatever won't put you out--you're the expert. S'prise
RJ> me.
Indeed. Mid-March should be the time.
... "Booze, it's what's for dinner."- Crow, "Gunslinger"
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bloody weather.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:52:03
EID:780d 20365e80
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
RJ> I've seen some nasty horseflies, usually when swimming.
ML>
ML> Horseflies swim?
RJ>
RJ> They do for a terminal moment if I get a lucky retaliatory
RJ> swat in after a strenuous round of Marco Polo.
Damned things probably leave a wake...
RJ> I don't think it's reached here...yet.
ML>
ML> I heard something about the recent spate of warm weather
ML> hereabouts stemming the tide of this particular strain. I need
ML> to talk to Doc Glodbreg and have him explain this little
ML> oddity.
RJ>
RJ> Yeah, how 'bout this seasonably warm weather us Gulfdwellers
RJ> are experiencing. BWAAHAHA!!
I too was laughing, until I had to mow my lawn.
IN JANUARY!
At least you don't have to shovel clippings.
... No computer stands in my way. Only blood can cancel my pain.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Shucks; dem's jes ersters.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:52:33
EID:df28 20365e80
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Steve Quarrella:
FR> I wonder how many of these fundies would be willing to attend a
FR> gathering of 'Smokers in Texass.
SQ> We should do it in a wooded area of Arkansas, where some of them would
SQ> probably feel much more at home (Then again, I LIKE it there, and
SQ> can't conceive of the Fundies trampling all over my vacation spot.).
RJ>
RJ> Hey, here's an idea--hold the gathering in New Orleans!
RJ> Yeah, that's the ticket...
RJ>
RJ> Seriously, though--it'd be closer for some of the more
RJ> easterly-located 'Smokers (Tennessee, Alabama, Florida)
RJ> who might have an interest in some elbowrubbing. And,
RJ> after all...it's New Orleans. Heathen's Paradise. Sin
RJ> City South. The Big Easy. You get the idea.
As long as we go to Pat O'Brien's. "Post those flags, boys.
There's a Hurricane a-brewin'".
Then we can go to Visko's for a huge mound of steamers.
(Damn...I've got to get back to the Quarter soon...)
... Ever notice that Nawlins doesn't have a "Scotch Street"?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: There's a storm a-brewin...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:52:54
EID:b70f 20365e80
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Gwenny the Pooh:
GtP> ... Never take a beer to a job interview ... unless you're a
GtP> braumeister. -!-
RJ>
RJ> There's a microbrewery a mile from my home--I've toured the
RJ> place and staggered home giggling for free. But one thing
RJ> that impressed me was the job descrip of the brew staff.
RJ>
RJ> Imagine...getting fired for not drinking on the job.
Can you get me an application?
... "Yes, it's never too early to fuse your spinal cord together!"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Homosexual christian
|Date: 20 Jan 96 06:05:04
EID:6326 203430a0
Ken Wiens, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Christian Miller:
CM> On Saturday, January 13th, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> You have any evidence outside of your book of myths that he created
PS> anything?
CM>How do you explain this world & everything on it?
KW> Well, you see, there was this Big Bang wherein everything
KW> came into being out of nothing...Then this mindless force
KW> known as Natural Selection took over from there. At least
KW> that is what they tried to teach my kids in public school.
Imagine that.
Teaching science in a public school.
I suppose you yanked your kiddees from that hive of inequity
and home-schooled 'em right. Gave 'em all the facts about
omnipotent, but curiously sterile, supernatural superfriends.
And you wonder why they repeat "You want fries with that?"
1,000 times a day.
... Don't confuse me with facts. Religion's easier.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Liv and her sensualness.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:53:42
EID:b3b9 20365ea0
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DC> It reminds me of the time I was out camping. I caught a cold
DC> and didn't bring any Kleenex. Yep, I used a leaf to off my sinus.
ML>
ML> Here's a news update (Robert Jackson, you listening?). In Oslo,
ML> they decided that they must know exactly how many folks are
ML> inhabiting the ground between the borders. To facilitate this,
ML> an oak in the city square had all it's shoots counted. Now,
ML> each citizen takes one, the remainder counted; subtract the two
ML> values and voila: the number of people living in Norway.
ML>
ML> Seems everyone must take a leaf for their census.
ML>
RJ> Didn't they recently have an uproar over removing the visage
RJ> of the famed actress Ullman from their smallest decimal
RJ> fractional currency--taking Liv off their cents, yes?
Da. Almost as bad as the perfume company that co-opted that
French Art Gallery as it's corporate logo. Seems the
artsy-fartsy Frogs got miffed and threatened to sue. The
perfumery backed down sheepishly and cautiously...they have no
idea of what the impact of taking the Louvre off their scents is.
... "Dave. My mind. It's going. Here, have a hardcopy of the 'Watchtower'.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Any surprise that Paul is Jimbo's fave?
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:54:31
EID:13ef 20365ec0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, which Stall is farting around with the computer this time?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> 'J'. How many lumps for you? One or two...step up here...
ML> Now which Staal is once again advocating violence (or is it
ML> another sham at high tea)?
JS> Violence!? Violence to whom!? (and I don't get high on 'tea'.)
ML> You again; offering lumps. (You say you don't get high on tea;
ML> so what do you get high on? Anoxia?)
JS> That was a play on sugar, sir...
Which closed before the first act.
ML> Why would they need two versions if they were exactly the same?
JS> I don't know about 'they',
ML> Now there's the understatement of the month.
JS> DEFINE _'THEY'_, HERR DOKTOR!!
ML> Do your own research, Jimbo. Quit begging your betters to do it
ML> for you.
JS> You brought it up. I just wondered how one of the 'better educated'
JS> defined 'they'...
Ibid, Jimbo. If you have this much difficulty extracting
meaning from context; my definition would go over your head
like a MIG-29 on full afterburn.
JS> Yeah...I don't see the point of this conversation...
ML> Conversations with nescient rubes are rather pointless,
ML> although you do provide some hilarious comic relief; however
ML> insouciant.
JS> Yes, because I deign it so...
You have no other alternative.
ML> Paul suffered head trauma.
JS> Any evidence to support this claim? If so trot it out here and we'll
JS> take a look at it, MISTER Leipzig...
ML> Just ask Hector. (I wonder why you excised the rest of my
ML> reply...hit too close to home?)
JS> The rest of your post hinged on the validity of your 'head trauma'
JS> statement. As you cannot support that claim, the rest of your reply
JS> was debunked as well...
Wrong. Hector answered that little query and just for the
benefit of the learning impaired, in deference to you, Jimbo;
I'll make sure you get a personal copy of that response.
JS> were just a bunch of
JS> 'shewest thou me's. And I'm not Al Bundy. I don't sell women's shoes.
JS> Ya know?
ML> No, I do not. Who, or what, is an "Al Bundy"
JS> Huh!? You live in a cave or something?
ML> Nope. Just Russia, Uzbekistan and other points east for good
ML> portions of the year.
JS> Ah...hence the 'cave' experience...
Nope. Mostly mountains and high plateaus. You know: vistas.
JS> Al Bundy sells womens
ML> Try "...women's...", Comrade "English Major".
JS> Typo,
Brain fart, (a mere wisp in your case) more likely.
JS> Herr Leigzip...I got it right the other times, indicating my
JS> knowlege of same...
^^^^^^^^
But your inability to utilize it, Herr Staal. Particularly your
ability to even spell "knowledge" correctly.
JS> Duh...
ML> Yet another disenfranchised quasibiped from the MTV school of
ML> debate.
JS> Hmmm...not acquainted with it...or should I say 'Not!'.
Of course, in your case it's most appropriate.
JS> ! Origin: WareHouse BBS (Node 2) Wyoming MI (616)538-5413
^^^^^^^
Still know nothing about Wyoming, Jimbozo?
... Televangelists. The pro wrestlers of religion.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Altering another quote, scarecrow?
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:56:26
EID:d476 20365f00
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, which one has Staal'ed on the Infobahn this time around?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jimbo, is this really you or someone just as ignorant?
JS> I really despise your new 'intro' lines...
ML> How unfortunate. Now, answer the question. Is it you or someone
ML> else in Wyoming who's just as ignorant?
JS> I know nothing of this 'wyoming' of which you speak. I live in
JS> Grandville, Michigan.
ML> That's because it's "Wyoming". And, you still did not answer
ML> the question.
JS> Now what was the question again?
Something about some dismal burg in Michigan (if that's not too
redundant) that seems to be able to count you as one of their
own.
Perhaps you're correct; it, like many aspects of your
existence, is unimportant.
JS> In fact, I live in a post box, #171, Grandville,
JS> MI 49468-0171.
ML> Damn. What with your being so tall and all, I'll wager that's a
ML> mighty tight fit.
JS> Ah...now you have a sense of humor...
I always have. However, lab rabbits often lack the acumen to
recognize the scalpel of humor whilst they're being dissected
with it.
JS> Why shouldn't I believe it? S'the truth...
ML> So tell us all about the flood, Jimbo. Provide a little
ML> evidence of the truth of that claim.
JS> Uh...rains came down and the floods came up...not that hard a gig...
Droll, Comrade; very droll. I'm surprised that you can do the
fundy shuffle so well. Now, care to tuck some guts into that 6'7"
carcass of yours and answer the original question?
JS> I have seen no evidence of it...for _I_ am 6'7", 285lbs of
JS> No, I ate a lot of corn flakes as a youthful Hollander...
ML> Flakes.
ML> It figures.
JS> If I'd said corn _cobs_ would've you had a better time with it?
It's apparent you already have.
JS> None _can_ measure up, can they...
ML> To your insipid egomaniacal rantings? Nope, you're a blue ribbon
ML> winner in that "class"
JS> Thankyou...
Nechevo.
ML> Are we supposed to be intimidated or impressed?
JS> Neither. Merely amused, that's all...
ML> You are rather amusing, however unintentional.
JS> It's intentional...trust me...
I trust you about as much as I trust Dracula with the keys to
the blood bank.
ML> We're neither.
JS> REally!? I thought you would be one of the 'better educated' [TM]
JS> your bro Fred Rice trumpets around here...
ML> Fred is not my brother, as I have none.
JS> C'mon...out with it...you are Eric and Lyle's long lost bro, aren't
JS> you?
Hardly. Although I can, unlike others, trace my familial
lineage.
JS> Nah...you seem more of a man of _mere_ words...
ML> Quote editing is verboten, Herr Staal. That _mere_ is an
ML> addition of yours to the original, Chuckles. Styx doesn't take
ML> lightly to that, you know.
JS> As it was my own post, I won't complain...
But I will.
Quote altering is forbidden; circumstances notwithstanding.
JS>
ML> Nope. Mengele is dead; you merely emulate him from the neck-up.
JS> Mengele lives, Herr Doktor, in the fine wit and bitter slicing
JS> tongue of Mahty Leigzip.
Sorry, don't know the chap. Must be some construct of your
tortured little mind.
JS> 'flummoxed'!? Is that some sort of ethnic idiom?
ML> Nope. Yet another common word that completely vexes the
ML> resident "English Major".
JS> Sure...common, alright...somewhere in the Slavic countries...
Gad, you're sectarian.
ML> How quaint.
JS> How dorky...
Skewered am I on the rapier wit of the "English Major"! Best I
to lie low before he exhausts his debating repertoire with a
final "Nyaah!"
"English Major", Jimbozo? Pull the other one, you nescient
neer-do-well.
JS> Oh, not I, sir, but rather, the holy writ, The Bible.
ML> This "Holy Writ" also says that bats are birds.
JS> Evidence to support this claim?
Your own big book of fairy tales: Leviticus 11:13, 19;
Deuteronomy 14:11, 18.
It's sad really, when atheists hoist Fundies on their own
provincial petard.
ML> Hey, what do you expect from a "heinous blasphemer", Jimbo?
JS> So you admit it then, Herr Leigzip?
Not at al, Jimbozo. Merely tweaking your sensibilities, or
rather, lack thereof.
JS> In other words, they are mere juvenile retribution? I can accept that.
ML> Not at all. They are mere words that cause you enormous
ML> anxiety. I call that "fun".
JS> Typical heinous blasphemer attitude: hurting some one else brings joy
JS> to your very soul...
Sorry, Jimbozo; but I don't have one of those. I leave all
that soul and supernatural crapola to those deluded enough to
actually believe in such supercilious senselessness.
And you're quite welcome to it.
JS> Tsk. Just when I thought you were getting to know me better...
ML> I know you far too well as it stands. Getting to know you
ML> better is like getting better acquainted with a sewer rat.
JS> Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty and
JS> instead you cut me once again ...
Truth hurts, doesn't it, Comrade?
... The fact that the Bible is worthy of "attack" is besides the point.
DR
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 22 Jan 96 05:48:00
EID:2932 20362e00
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Now, which Staal has oozed his way onto the scene this time?
JS> this hurts...it really does...
The question still stands, is it Jimbo or another ctenophoran?
ML> Since when do double-wides have a second story?
JS> I resent the inference...like _I_ live in a mobile.
ML> Looks like I put another group in the 10 ring.
JS> Huh?
Accuracy humor. Of course, I'm not surprised you didn't make
the connection.
JS> I'll have you know
JS> I have owned my own three bedroom humble(900 sq ft _including_ garage)
JS> ranch since 1969...with basement.
ML> Now just a minute, Jimbo. In the previous post, you said that
ML> you "...lived in a post box...".
JS> That's only when I'm in the doghouse with the little woman. Other wise
JS> I live in the basement.
Below "see-level". How appropriate.
ML> Don't lie, Jimmy. The better educated around here catch you
ML> each and every time you do.
JS> LIE!? You are accusing me of a _LIE_, MISTER Liepzig!?
Post box or 900 ft^2 ranch, which for you, Jimbo? [P/R]
ML> ... "We've got Moog synthesizers...we could kill you from here."
JS> Hmmm...haven't heard from that company in years. Are they still i
JS> business?
Indeed they are. The merged with ARP back in the early 80's and
produced some of the finest keyboards around. I have one of the
vintage ones from the late 70's.
... Spare yourself many hard falls; don't jump to conclusions
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: At least the 3 Stooges were intentionally stupid.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:57:28
EID:66d5 20365f20
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
I'm still trying to figure out if I'm communicating with Jimbo
or someone equally deluded.
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> in disbelief and dispair
ML> That's "...despair...", Herr Idiot.
JS> Thank you...
No problem, Herr English Major. That's what we "better
educated" are here for; to keep you from tripping all
over your own idiocies.
JS> as
JS> think of the waste of an education.
ML> And if, by some befoolish construct of yours, are referring to
ML> me; I'm sure all the Russians will get a good laugh out of you. I
ML> regularly take a couple of weeks worth of HolySmoke over there
ML> to let them see just what some people from the West are like.
JS> C'mon...you print it out or what?
Ever hear of a "laptop computer"? Where I go, it goes as well.
ML> You serve as an excellent example to my Eastern colleagues as a
ML> class-A example of first class, homegrown, All-American washout.
JS> Eastern colleagues?
Russian geoscientists, you moron.
ML> Prosit!, Jimbo.
JS> No, no...that's Prozac, Mahty...
Is that what you've been missing these last few months?
Hmmm...had you pegged as more of a Xanax and Thorazine
character.
ML> You're the "toast" of two continents...how about some jam to go
ML> with that?
JS> That's what I like about this: international notoriety...
"Notoriety"? Infamy scans better.
JS> Maybe you could be my front man and get me some gigs. I understand
JS> musical evangelism is big these days in Russia...
How true; especially since the Moscow Circus has gone on the
road again.
JS> You can't even hold a civil
JS> conversation...
ML> I don't hold civil conversations with cockroaches, either.
JS> Oh, that really smarts...
Truth hurts?
JS> and your types are in the White House and other places
JS> of influence...
ML> I don't have time for politics. My vistas are international;
JS> Oh, you just reside here and take advantage of my country?
No, I pay my considerable taxes; both here and abroad. I just
have little time for the dalliances of WonkCity and concentrate
on issues that affect me directly; instead of lusting after
Hillary as you seem wont.
ML> unlike your parochial and prosaic prospects.
JS> 'prozac prospects'?
Take 12, and call me in the morning if you wake up.
... How long have you labored under the illusion that you're human?BF Pierce
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows all...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 05:58:01
EID:0167 20362f40
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, which Staal is it this time; or is it yet another just as
ignorant?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Benihana's; which is to real Japanese food like Chi Chi's is to
ML> Mexican food.
JS> OK, OK...it's actually called 'the Golden Dragon'...
ML> Then you went to the cathouse next door, called the Golden
ML> Shower.
JS> Hmmm...is that anything like urolagnia?
In your case: coprolalia.
JS> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
Nope. I, obviously unlike you, do not need a keeper.
JS> like the
JS> lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste time with people
JS> like that'?
Tell the lovely Wilbur we often wonder the same about you; and
not just in electronic forums.
... Boolean Bible. It's all true and/or at least partly false
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:03:32
EID:a80d 20363060
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
Is this the tall Staal or just another fall thrall?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to George Rudzinski <=-
ML> Jim is very uneven (I was going to say unstable, but even I
ML> won't stoop that low for a "Staal" pun).
JS> Sure. Right.
Rapier wit again, Jimbo? Be careful you don't get tetanus from
that rusty edge.
ML> It really makes me
ML> wonder what is on what passes for his mind when he repeatedly
ML> trumpets his size in this forum.
ML> As if that's germane to anything on this echo.
JS> Goes way back, Mahty...years, even: I made the statement to someone
JS> here that in real time conversations, people do not
JS> treat me with the rudeness I face here,
Do you act like a pompous ass in person as well? You must put
on some hell of a facade if people aren't rude to your
arrogant, and bizarre, persona.
JS> as a face-less medium allows
JS> chicken-s**ts to sit behind their little monitors
How charitable. What would your Jesus think of your outbursts?
JS> and make big
JS> mouthed belittling statements about people they don't even know.
But, Jimbo, you _are_ known here. The negative or positive
perception people hereabouts have of you are gleaned from your
very own writings. If the vast majority of people out here
think you're an idiot; maybe it's not them who are wrong.
You reap what you sew, Jimbo. It looks like you've had a
monumental crop failure.
ML> Curious.
JS> But yellow? Like george?
Hardly. I'm not the least bit Asian.
... Remember, YOU'RE the reason the 2'nd Law of Thermodynamics always wins
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:13:05
EID:7897 203631a0
Michael Hardy, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I'll have you know
JS> I have owned my own three bedroom humble(900 sq ft _including_ garage)
JS> ranch since 1969...with basement.
ML> Now just a minute, Jimbo. In the previous post, you said that
ML> you "...lived in a post box...".
ML> Don't lie, Jimmy. The better educated around here catch you
ML> each and every time you do.
MH> 900 square feet including garage IS a post box.
Makes me wonder where he parks his ego.
He must sub-let another double-wide for that alone.
... "Bother," said Capt. Pooh, as antimatter containment was lost.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:13:33
EID:3a46 203631a0
Hector Plasmic, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML>>> Paul suffered head trauma.
JS>> Any evidence to support this claim? If so trot it out here and we'll
JS>> take a look at it, MISTER Leipzig...
ML> Just ask Hector.
HP> You rang?
HP> "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice"
HP> Hmmm -- a fall followed by an auditory hallucination, eh? Sure sounds
HP> like head trauma, doesn't it?
HP> "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw
HP> no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
HP> And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink."
HP> My goodness -- a fall followed by an auditory hallucination, temporary
HP> blindness and loss of appetite. You don't get symptoms like that by
HP> falling on your big toe.
HP> If we're to believe any of this tale, it seems clear that Saul of
HP> Tarsus fell and hit his head a good lick. Of course, one need not
HP> believe the tale at all -- it may well be pure myth. However, it's
HP> interesting that so many conversion stories seem to involve head
HP> trauma, isn't it? :-)
Many thanks, you godless hateful heathen who obviously never
does anything good.
This goes, unedited, to Jimbo.
I still think it's hilariously appropriate that Jimbo's
favorite Biblical gazetteer suffered head trauma.
Birds of a feather, and all that.
... A journey of a thousand miles usually begins with a hangover.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Stall, the Paulite
|Sub: Here's your reference, courtesy of Hector.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:17:05
EID:7c99 20363220
Hector Plasmic, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
Yo! Jimbozo! You there, or is it someone else with their head
in the sand?
ML>>> Paul suffered head trauma.
JS>> Any evidence to support this claim? If so trot it out here and we'll
JS>> take a look at it, MISTER Leipzig...
ML> Just ask Hector.
I did. And sayeth Hector:
HP> You rang?
HP> "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice"
HP> Hmmm -- a fall followed by an auditory hallucination, eh? Sure sounds
HP> like head trauma, doesn't it?
HP> "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw
HP> no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
HP> And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink."
HP> My goodness -- a fall followed by an auditory hallucination, temporary
HP> blindness and loss of appetite. You don't get symptoms like that by
HP> falling on your big toe.
HP> If we're to believe any of this tale, it seems clear that Saul of
HP> Tarsus fell and hit his head a good lick. Of course, one need not
HP> believe the tale at all -- it may well be pure myth. However, it's
HP> interesting that so many conversion stories seem to involve head
HP> trauma, isn't it? :-)
There you go, Jimbo. Seems that your favorite chroniclier
whacked his head before (and in order) to see and hear God.
What's your excuse?
... Don't put too fine a point to your wit for fear it should get blunted.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: ALL
|Sub: Yellowing.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:39:35
EID:3f48 203634e0
Douglas Duke, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Bryson Hughes:
CM> "Mellowing out", eh? When one first
CM> gets saved they seem to be
CM> one of the "holy rollers". :) The "mellowing
CM> out" is simply comes
CM> with time.
BH> Isn't that the way it is? Just give them time.
BH>
BH> But in a way, it is bittersweet that the wild eyed
BH> fanatic has become a
BH> cool responsible citizen and a stable family man.
BH> There's a real need for
BH> a few fanatics to shake up the complacent.
DD>
DD> Don't read some of the language on here.
DD>
DD> We are unequally yoked in this conference, I am signing off
DD> this conference for ever and ever.
And ANOTHER ONE bites the dust...
DD> Maranatha Bible alone!
Moronathon Bible with coleslaw and fries!
... Misery loves company, but company does not reciprocate.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Medico Talk
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:19:20
EID:318f 20364a60
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML> F.L.K.: "Funny-looking Kid." Usually a mongoloid.
MG> CHANDELIER SYNDROME: When doing a pelvic on a woman suspected of
MG> having an STD, when the cervix is teaked, the patient ends up on the
MG> chandelier.
You "teak" the cervix? I never thought that you wood.
... "(sniffs) So, do you work in a petting zoo?"- Crow, "Mitchell"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Dick Morrison: Idiocy's Poster Child.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:59:03
EID:5266 20365f60
Richard Morrison, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML> RM> Hey Lynda,
ML>
ML> Hey dickhead. Why are you calling to Lynda in a message to me?
RM> I guess that will take the rest of your life to figure out... <
You overestimate yourself and underestimate your betters.
ML> Of course your spelling checker bogs down in my quotes. Seeing
ML> as how it's your spelling checker and contains no words of ove
ML> 4 letters, it would naturally be overwhelmed by my acumen.
RM> I wouldn't think that you'd be so ignorant in front of all your
RM> friends...
I am not. You, on the other hand, have no choice in the matter.
ML> RM> I go ahead and use the 'replace' button?
ML> As if I care what you do.
RM> So is this the go-ahead to correct your spelling. <
Good luck; seeing as how you cannot attack it's substance.
At least it'll keep you off the streets.
ML> It's really not that terribly difficult to spell a word
ML> correctly. That you should get so torqued off about it rather
ML> says leagues about you abilities; or, more to the point, your
RM> Actually this is what all of YOU, you know, you and your mouses in
RM> your pockets, climb all over others about... guess you can't deal with
RM> though. I won't do it anymore..><
Cheers^3 for you. I suppose you do get tired of having your
head handed to you so often.
RM> You have a nice day Marty...
Have an ordinary day; you have no alternative.
RM> btw: you may want to take your blood
RM> pressure medicine now too...
1000 cc of bourbon work well for me. Don't forget your Prozac.
RM> in the service for HIS Service
Your re-enlistment has been refused on grounds of malfeasance.
... NEWS FLASH! Giving money to televangelists tied to AIDS transmission!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: It's Tacky Time!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:31:43
EID:0bbc 20364be0
Scot Bear, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
> ML> I thought that little "Tacky Townlet" kiosks scattered
> ML> around might give you a better market share.
>
> JH> Next thing ya know, ya'll will come up with door-to-door
> JH> Tacky Ladies.
>
> We could hold "Tacky Parties" in people's homes, sell
> "Tacky
> Girl" cookies and give those who sell greater than
> $500,000.00
> worth of tack per year a Pepto-Bismol pink Yugo.
> The possibilities are endless!
SB>
SB> I was thinking "The House at Kitsch Korner" would be more---er---
SB> tasteful! :)
"More Tasteful Kitsch" is like a "Better Educated Fundy".
... A belief-filled mind is a waste of perfectly good carbon.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: "Good things heathens have done for me lately"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:33:11
EID:a36b 20364c20
Scot Bear, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
> We're not real heathens...we're false heathens...
SB>
SB> Reminds me of a long-forgotten product which was highly-touted as:
SB> "Made from REAL, ARTIFICIAL PLASTIC...." :)
Accept no substitutes!
Like the mineral water form GornyGorny: "Contains no artificial
Sodium".
... The meek will inherit the Earth; the cheezy fucking wimps.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: We're having a FIESTA!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:34:09
EID:b75d 20364c40
J.J. Hitt, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
ML> Over in my neck of the woods (San Antonio East...ack...Katy),
ML> there's a new "African Hair Goods and Food Store". If you need
ML> ghoeuzhaco or "rift flattener", this is the place to go.
JH> Seen recently in a 99 cent store: Dead Sea Salts for the bath (a
JH> product of Jordan). Just in case your body has a shortage of heavy
JH> metals, you can soak in this preparation (heavily scented with
JH> menthol, probably for good reason).
Menthol scented? Egads!
Actually you can get a load of the same stuff...from around
Baytown at low tide.
... Fundamentalism puts the "fun" back in dysfunctional.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: forgiveness available
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:35:40
EID:4571 20364c60
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DW> 17 Jan 96 05:42, Marty Leipzig wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
LB>> *giggle*
LB>> So, uh, who's on first?
ML> Not Staal. He's out in far left (hmmm...or is it far right?)
ML> field.
DW> Staal's so far out there he gets his own light cone diagram.
Hmmm...a "dark cone" diagram?
... "Noah's Ark was discovered in 1987. It is no lie!" - Doug Duke (nut)
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: High Censuosity.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:42:51
EID:2e5a 20364d40
Scot Bear, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
> ML> They don't want to be accused of taking Leif off their
> census.
> ML>
> RJ> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAA
> RJ> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
> RJ>
> RJ> STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!!
>
> In fact, the punishment for such oversight in Norway
> is so
> heinous that no one will count that country's inhabitants...
> In fact, they've taken leave of their census.
SB>
SB> To get this back on-topic...
SB>
SB> I hear that the RCC is eschewing ornamentation on their thuribles...
SB>
SB> Yup, they're taking leaves off their censers!
AND...due to budget cutbacks, NASA will no longer gold-plate
the detection devices on the shuttle...they're taking the
gold-leaf off their sensors.
... If at first you don't succeed; give up. No use being a damn fool.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 22 Jan 96 10:03:19
EID:34bb 20365060
J.J. Hitt, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
David Worrell:
SB>> Wyatt Roberts, head of the Texas chapter of the American Family
SB>> Association, told Reuters Friday that he sent out letters to
SB>> advertisers in the Texas Triangle warning that their names
SB>> would be read on his weekly radio show.
DW> "If'n you'uns don't pull your advertiz... adverttti...
DW> adverg... ads from this here pre-verted newspaper, we're
DW> a-gonna give you free air time on our radio show!"
DW> "That'll learn them silly faggots!"
JH>
JH> Tell me about it...
JH>
JH> The ONLY reason I keep AT&T as my long-distance carrier is that
JH> the Religious Right is pissed off at them.
JH> I'm less than happy that AT&T had record lay-offs the same year
JH> they reported record profits.
Strange...I thought that property was wholly owned by major oil
companies.
... I guess NASA believes the same. As they already sent gifts out-B.Wolff
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 10:08:01
EID:3b73 20365100
J.J. Hitt, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Martin Goldberg:
JH>> I've even been known to eat plain, unflavored yogurt with
JH>> a small dash of salt and a huge whollop of steak sauce.
MG> And you wash this down with bourbon?
JH> Heavens, no!
JH> When I was drinking, I was a drunk.
JH> But I wasn't a fucking degenerate.
But you drank scotch?
Insert "tasteless" wherever appropriate.
... "*Wow*! What type of drinks do you serve here?" - Ford Prefect
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: jim staal
|Sub: We B Fundies!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:00:05
EID:4df7 20366000
jim staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Robert Jackson:
So, is this The One True Jim or an incredible soy-based
substitute?
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Jim Staal <=-
RS> Why not? Are you saying you have no evidence for the flood?
JS> I am no scientist. I don't know what would or would not be
JS> satisfactory evidence for the scientific person. Myself, personally,
JS> however, I accept it in faith. I do it because I want to and no one
JS> makes me do it.
RJ> Sure is a whole lot easier than having to read a book, isn't
RJ> it, "English Major"?
js> Nah. I just believe that it is the right thing for me to do.
RJ> Was thinking always hard for you, or
RJ> did something happen to you to make you give it up?
js> Nah...thinking is no problem. I don't care to read much though, since
js> my vision has declined with age...
We warned you that you'd go blind if you didn't stop that.
... Stop picking your nose and go to the next message.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 10:19:24
EID:4bf1 20365260
Jose Gomez, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
All:
JG> Although most of you do not believe in God,
We also do not believe in the Easter Bunny nor Santa Claus.
JG> and you hate "fundie" and
JG> "jeezoid" claims of talking with God,
We don't hate the claims, in fact, we often find them hilarious.
JG> I want to let you know that God
JG> is VERY real, and He loves you all.
At least you so fervently want to believe.
JG> One day, face to face, you will
JG> experience that reality.
Thank you, no. This reality is fine.
JG> Until then, continue to study and research
JG> the FACTS on the world.
Indeed. Did you know that the Gulf Coast of the United States
contains a vertical succession of post-Cretaceous sediments
some 65,000' thick?
Fascinating!
JG> You will find the truth in the FACTS.
Indeed. I just related a very small sample to you.
JG> You are
JG> all strong willed,
And even stronger "won't"; particularly when it comes to buying
your particular brand of nonsense.
JG> open people who can only talk about what they've
JG> seen with their eyes.
I've never seen the earth's core; yet I know it exists. How?
Physical evidence. That fact alone puts us leagues ahead of
anything you have to offer.
JG> I can appreciate that and I encourage you to
JG> continue to be open. It will help you find the truths of the universe.
Don't be so "open" that your brains fall out.
JG> Heaven always has room for strong people like yourselves.
So, just where do you plan to spend eternity?
JG> You are ALL
JG> in my prayers.
... Instead of praying, why not trill? Hell, any idiot can pray. - MRL
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: battles
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:03:12
EID:f6ec 20366060
Michael Hardy, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Robert Jackson:
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to David Worrell <=-
DW> The Angles just got there and took things over before the Saxons did.
RJ> ...who snicked it from the Gaels, who pilfered it from the
RJ> Picts, who drove out the...uh, who did the Picts displace?
MH> They pict their battles carefully.
And when they lost, they were ousted. At least that's the way it
was de-picted.
... Quicquid agunt homines, nostri est farrago reverberatti.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HI
|Date: 22 Jan 96 10:37:53
EID:f1c9 203654a0
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Lynda Bustilloz:
JB> So far, you go in the same category with Lynda. (That's good, btw)
LB> Does this mean I *finally* have an "ilk"??!
RJ>
RJ> Well, it's still sort of an "ilklet"...
Is that what's left after a clitorectomy?
... 12:00 pm in a bright college room: "It was a stark and dormy night..."
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:23:00
EID:80d4 203582e0
-=> Quoting Annette Spence to Jeromy Alexander <=-
AS> so you are planning to eat it? I had heard it was done but never
AS> seen it.
Try the Alice B. Toklas Cookbook. Now...for the $64,000 question. WHO was
Alice B. Toklas?
... nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HI
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:25:00
EID:7955 20358320
-=> Quoting Annette Spence to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> darn periods for a year now. They are so *convenient*.
Maybe so. But here you get more points for correct grammar and sentence
structure. And you can't get good arguments across if no one will read
them.
JB> ... Some folks look for answers...others look for fights...
AS> Coo, sounds like me when I am hungry for a sneaker sandwitch. G'wan
AS> put em up!
Ah well, guess you can't have everything. NOT a Deadhead. What a shame.
... Chill out! I'm just here for your hamster. --Death.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: John Prewett
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: tolerance?????
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:39:21
EID:3def 203664e0
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD2935F9
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
RJ> Which one are you this time?
JS> How could the inquisitionist be Christian with his torture and pain?
RJ> Gee, I dunno. Maybe they had "faith" to guide them.
JS> Trust me, Bobby, like you, they had your pal Satan to guide them...
RJ> Where the hell's my check, dammit! If I'm doing his work,
RJ> I expect some compensation. I consider a bit of effortless verbal
RJ> abuse at you dogmatic jeezoids nothing more than pro bono work.
RJ> If Satan doesn't cut me a check, I don't work for him.
Not to worry,...
All who reject Christ get paid. Rom. 6:23. WBW, John
--- MacWoof Eval:17Nov94
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|From: John Prewett
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: FUNDAMENTALIST ARE IN
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:51:28
EID:3e4d 20366660
MSGID: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD2938D0
PID: MacWoof 1.5.3
=> Quoting Dick Holm to John Prewett <=-
=> Quoting John Prewett to Dick Holm <=-
JP> My brothers and sisters don't have a "holy father" in Rome.
DH> Some of my brothers and sisters certainly follow the human concept of
DH> a 'holy father' in Rome, others do not. My brothers and sisters are
DH> the same brothers and sisters that Jesus had. (Matt. 12:50, Mark 3:35)
DH> - those who do the will of the Father in heaven. I would like to call
DH> you my brother, but I'm afraid I can't do so, because of this verse.
I
DH> do not see you doing the will of the Father in heaven - to love one
DH> another as Jesus loved us. Unless you get rid of that prejudice, I am
DH> afraid for your soul.
AS> Welcome to the world of being an apostate modern Christian, in John's
AS> eyes. Well said. However, you are neither the first nor, I fear, the
AS> last to point out that John's stands make a mockery of Christ's
AS> teachings.
The NT Christ doesn't teach that His people are ruled by a man in Rome.
If you believe the papacy is genuine,
If you believe the papacy is really all it claims to be,
then you should be a Roman Catholic
and you should confess being a Roman Catholic.
And yes, the label "Christian" as it is commonly used,
is commonly erroneously used to describe a lot of "apostates."
That is, people who claim to believe in the NT Christ,
yet demonstrate that they are really just man-pleasers
who couldn't care less what the NT Christ teaches.
As demonstrated by "Christians" who evidently see no problem
with a man in Rome being claimed [and taken seriously by millions
for centuries] to have "FULL, SUPREME, and UNIVERSAL power
over the whole Church."
A papacy supporter is a lie against Christ supporter.
From- 1994 'Catechism of the [Roman] Catholic Church
[pg 234 paperback] [my emphasis]
[882] The 'Pope', Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual
and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and
of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason
of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has
FULL, SUPREME, and UNIVERSAL power over the whole Church, a power which
he can always exercise unhindered."403 -END QUOTE-
--- MacWoof Eval:17Nov94
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 22 Jan 96 20:43:27
EID:c494 2036a560
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 1043d251
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0b12a870
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Styx Allum wrote in a message to Rob Burcham:
SA> I prefer to base my opinions on what I observe of Newt, rather than
SA> to swallow the bullshit fed to everyone by the "news networks".
And just how do you do that without going through the media? Rush Limbaugh
is biased as well, perhaps he just has a slant on things that you identify
with more easily.
There is no way to get the true scoop unless you are actually there. Otherwise
everything is filtered through someone along the line.
---
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: ------
|Date: 20 Jan 96 20:21:16
EID:801a 2034a2a0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 310186fc
-=> Asmodeus invoked Re: ------ which summoned Dan Ceppa<=-
As> [B** Quoting Dan Ceppa to Asmodeus **
D> -> On 01-10-96 18:33, Asmodeus got back to All
D>
D> As> having to rebut someone's insulting lies about me, and then
D> As> interjecting some of my own to more than settle the score is quite
As> time
D>
D> IOW, you say that someone lied about you, so you make up your
D> own lies in reply?
D>
As> Nope. I meant interject some comments of my own, but I do not
As> intentionally reply with lies.
D> Just what belief system are you a member? Need to add that one
D> to my Hateful Religions file...
D>
As> I have beliefs that go along the line of the LaVey Satanists.
He in no way represents the views of the Church of Satan.He is a
sniveling little punk that seems to interpret everying said in the
Satanic Bible as literally true.I seriously doubt LaVey had that in
mind when he wrote.Besides, if eventually you'll meet assholes in
every religion.I've met a view wiccan assholes, personally.Then again
who makes the judgement of who is an asshole? And does it even matter?
Luke
As> -!- FalkenRdr V1.9h
As> ! Origin: The Horseman's BBS; Pleasant Lake MI <517-769-2230> -
As> (1:2330/20)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Re: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 20:39:18
EID:5d16 2034a4e0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31018b36
-=> Judith Bandsma invoked A DAY IN THE LIFE... which summoned Katherine
Wintersnight<=-
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Al Schroeder <=-
KW> Aquariuns, rather deco in feel. Bear uses the Robin Wood deck, lovely
KW> art and very 'wiccan' in symbology. Which image bothered you so?
JB> Have you run into the Giger deck yet? So far it's only the major
JB> arcana, but talk about unsettling. Someday when I get the $60....
JB> I REALLY like H.R. Giger's work.
I believe Giger did a series of Paintings and put them together
in a book called "Necronomicon".I wonder if he got the Idea from
Lovecraft or the movie "The Evil Dead" (Where the Necronomicon appears
and generally conforms to the "Simon" version, except that a main
feature are gruesome pictures.)
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Re: ARK
|Date: 20 Jan 96 20:47:20
EID:0aff 2034a5e0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31018d18
-=> Marilyn Burge invoked ARK which summoned J.j. Hitt<=-
MB> On (14 Jan 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Preston Simpson...
JH> JH>> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard
JH> JH>> recently claimed that he was in command of a submarine in
JH> JH>> WWI (did we even have subs
PS> I heard that he was aboard a destroyer during WWII.
JH> That concurs with the biographical notes about him in the
JH> back of Dianetics. For some reason I thought Hubbub was older
JH> than that. I thought Crowley had made a few references to him
JH> (Maybe Luke Clark has these handy), which would tend to make
JH> him older than the average WWII soldier's age of 25.
MB> That was an average. If I remember correctly, they werr drafting
MB> up to the age of 40.
Crowley's referances to Hubbard are about his involvement in the
"Babalon Working" engaged in by Jack Parsons.I don't have them handy,
but I believe he called them "Bumbling Idiots" or some such.
Parsons was a Rocket Scientist who eventually blew himself
up in his private lab, reportedly while engaging in some kind
of bizarre Alchemical experiment.He also has a moon crater
named after him.
Luke
MB> ... Creationist: "Why yes. Rome _was_ built in a day."
MB> -!- PPoint 1.98
MB> ! Origin: So What's Yer Point? (1:105/40.666)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: I'M BACK
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:36:22
EID:110b 2034b480
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101a6a6
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: I'M BACK which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LC> I've been threatened physically before, and called a "Devil worshipping
LC> Atheist", what ever that may meen.But OF COURSE, their nice to fuzzy
LC> bunny Wiccans.
KW>
KW> Oh? I wish that were true.
I'm speaking from personal experience.
I'm a devil worshipping bitch of
KW> a witch to them, and we all know that they do not 'suffer a witch to
KW> live'.
And your not supposed to allow sorcerer to live either.
I could be considered a sorcerer and a necromancer.
You haven't lived until you've had every move you made studied
KW> by the fundies with their binoculars from across the lake.
I've been backed up by a guy at least 6'5 and told that if he even
thought I sent a demon after him, he'd smoke my ass.
That was
KW> the most frightening weekend I have ever been through, esp. as the
KW> local park rangers were acting skittish, and the sheriff kept
KW> inspecting us, looking for who knows what.
People are assholes.
Luke
"Do what thou wilt."
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Ignorant of history
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:46:24
EID:a0f6 2034b5c0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101a900
-=> Fredric Rice invoked Ignorant of history which summoned Kenneth Mcabee<=-
FR> Research: Crusades, Inquisitions, Witch hunts, Adolf Hitler. Get back
FR> to me when you need further references.
Scratch Adolph Hitler.He was an occultist and so were his lieutenents
(Hell, they banned Astrology because they were afraid it influenced
his flight to Brittain).He wanted to rediscover a pre-christian
Volk Religion, and get rid of Christianity as well as all other
religions and philosophies that were attributed to the Judao-Masonic
conspiracy.Christianity was considered an excretion of Judaism.
I've even read some Neo-Nazi propoganda about how Nazism is the
resurgance of an ancient pre-christian order.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Re: man can fly!
|Date: 20 Jan 96 22:56:26
EID:a1b6 2034b700
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101ab5a
-=> Richard Morrison invoked Re: man can fly! which summoned James Bethell<=-
JB>I think that is pretty much a belief in ANYTHING. As long as you ha
JB>SOMETHING that is always there, that loves you and you love it, and
JB>never leave you, you become a better person. Same thing has happene
JB>don't expect you to know, or care for that matter, but since I've f
JB>I've certainly cleaned up. I won't tell you exactly what I did, but
JB>you guess...
RM> That's great, but can it save your soul?
If it's not in danger, why save it?
JB>I never went to support meetings, but I understand how you feel 100
JB>Christianity, and I tried to believe in God, but nothing ever came
JB>never helped me, nothing. Then I tried Wicca, and I found right awa
JB>simply what it represents fits my personality (and my past lives'
JB>personalities) perfectly.
RM> Would you say that there is "spiritual power" in wicca of any kind?
Hmm... I'm think I can tell where this is going to lead.He'll most
likely say the same thing Christian Miller said, but he'll phrase
more elegantly due to his apparently higher intelligence.
RM> in the service for HIS Service
Do what thou wilt.
Luke
... "For a Holy Man you have a knack for pissing people off."-Mulder
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Re: A SUREFIRE MONEY MAK
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:18:28
EID:02f4 2034ba40
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101b084
-=> Judith Bandsma invoked A SUREFIRE MONEY MAKER! which summoned Marty
Leipzig<=-
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> Right next to the John the Baptist shave cream?
JB> No, right next to the 'Guardian Angel' air freshener.
And that was next to the St. Crowley condoms and the Whore of Babalon
contraceptives.
Did any body see "Alhazrad" lamps?
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Larry Sites
|Sub: Re: Fundamentalist Are I
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:40:30
EID:3805 2034bd00
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101b5ae
-=> Larry Sites invoked Re: Fundamentalist Are I which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LS> Luke Clark to John Prewett on 01-08-96 18:07 re: Re: Fundamentalist
LS> Are I
LC> Catholocism sucks, and so does the Unholy Pop in Rome.It's responsible
LC> for inflicting me with the programming that I'm still dealing with.
LS> Have you ever considered suing those responsible for child abuse. To
LS> me it is no different than sex abuse and some adults have successfully
LS> collected for abuse done to them as children.
Hmm... That wouldn't be feasible as my parents are both Catholics.
It was responsible for me the later development of my Sex Drive
though.
I suspect that a few
LS> suits of this nature will be the final undoing of religion when they
LS> show it for the peversion upon children that it really is. You could
LS> be one of the first.
I wouldn't say all religion is a perversion.Wicca and Thelema
aren't too bad.The only ones that have done real damage seem to
be the Monotheistic Book religions that come out of the East,
and emphasize faith instead of thinking.
Luke
LS> Larry Sites Fuck AOL/Focus on the Family
LS> Freq FORGERY.ZIP, Falisfy Fundi father fakery
LS> ___
LS> * WR 1.31 # 398 * Heuristics is my rule of thumb.
LS> -!- FMailX/386 1.0g
LS> ! Origin: The Open Forum SD CA (619)284-2924 (1:202/212)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:42:32
EID:4c4b 2034bd40
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101b628
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: Gods, not god which summoned Mark
Drake<=-
MD>-=> Christian Miller Spake unto Gwenny the Pooh about Gods, not god<=-
MD> CM> On Tuesday, January 9th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
MD> Gt> I worship the Earth. She exists and all we have comes from Her.
MD> CM>
MD> CM> Show your intelligence again, please. It's not very smart to worship
MD> CM> a rock.
MD> It is even stupider to worship an imaginary deity. At least the Earth
has
MD> REAL substance. Just walk outside, find a patch of grass and feel the
MD> actual, physical surface of the earth. You can't do THAT with your
MD> imaginary super-friend!
KW> Now, Mark, you *know* the answer to that one...
KW> "Jesus is in me"
Hope he uses a rubber.
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Satanist
|Date: 20 Jan 96 23:57:34
EID:1ffe 2034bf20
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101b9ae
-=> J.j. Hitt invoked Re: Satanist which summoned Asmodeus<=-
A> I did include quotation marks, but unfortunately I must
A> point again at this software which I am using. I cannot
A> explain it, but when I type something, save it, then go look
A> at it, its all messed up, with mispellings, misplaced
A> carriage returns, etc...
JH>
JH> Yeah... blame it on the software.
JH> Tell me, was it you or your software that put a curse on me?
JH> (It's almost DAY FOUR and nothing has happened. Why is Satan
JH> so slow that he's even slower than FidoNet?)
Satan's too cool to hang around the snivelling shit.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Satanista, no! Pinde
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:08:36
EID:01ec 20350100
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101bc44
-=> J.j. Hitt invoked Satanista, no! Pindeho, s which summoned Asmodeus<=-
A> An it harm no one who does not deserve it, do what ye will.
JH> I love how you pinkydinks can't quote Crowley's "Law" without adding
JH> some sort of qualifier. All it really demonstrates is that you have
JH> no idea whatsoever as to what he meant by "Will".
I know.Also if they actually put some thought into it, they'd
see that know qualifier is neccesary, as "Do what thou wilt" precludes
harming someone else.To accept "Do what thou wilt" is to accept
the responsibilty of not interfering with the will of another.
Harming some one would be interfering with will of another wouldn't it.
JH> You want to distance yourselves from Crowley's notoriety, but
JH> you're not above stealing liberally from his ideas.
And considering that he says he's a satanist, you'd think he'd
want all the notoriety he could get.He seems rather Setian to me,
in his ideas about others not being "True" Satanists.
Aquino strikes me as an asshole.At least LaVey had a sense of humor.
Luke
JH> ooOOoo
JH> -!- Msgedsq 2.2e
JH> ! Origin: Saint Elmo's Fire Hydrant (Houston) (1:106/9788.2)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:23:38
EID:217f 203502e0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101bfca
-=> Fredric Rice invoked White-lighter Religions which summoned Asmodeus<=-
FR> You didn't answer my question. Blessed by who?
Don't have much reading comprehension, do you? He said they
were blessed by the ones who have had their false hope destroyed.
It doesn't have to be from some kind supernatural source to be
a blessing.
One of the definitions of "Bless" is "To give happiness".
No supernaturalism required.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:26:40
EID:2d5e 20350340
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101c080
-=> Ryan Shaw invoked White-lighter Religions which summoned Asmodeus<=-
RS> Asmodeus wrote in a message to Preston Simpson:
A> Nope, I'm assuming that they will take the advice they get bashed
A> into their skulls.
RS> Just what the world needs, some good skull smashing.
Actually, there ARE some people who need a good smashing.
Christian Miller comes to mind.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:30:42
EID:9083 203503c0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101c172
-=> Lynda Bustilloz invoked White-lighter Religions which summoned Asmodeus<=-
LB> David and Asmodeus were killing time yakking about White-lighter
LB> Religions:
LB> Why don't you just concentrate on willing the sysop to give you
LB> unlimited time online?
Actually, after reading this, I think he's coming closer to realising
the Great, All Powerful Secret of the Magi (TM):
It's all in your head.Magick is a way of focusing yourself on specific
goals.Doing all the rituals in the world aint gonna do shit if sit
on your ass all day.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Re: Yer momma sews socks
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:36:44
EID:161f 20350480
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101c2dc
-=> Hector Plasmic invoked Re: Yer momma sews socks which summoned Asmodeus<=-
A> I am 18 years of age
HP> Ah, another teeny bopper looking for a non-standard religion with
HP> which to play.
HP> I suppose you can at least claim to have an excuse the adult members
HP> of more "orthodox" religions do not. Not much of an excuse, though.
As there is no need for an excuse, what the fuck are you talking about?
D>> Not another one...
HP> Yep, another one.
D>> Got any evidence for these "devils" you speak of?
A> But of course, I would not call upon them if I did not see proof that
A> they existed.
HP> Then _where is it_, little fellow? Can we see it, or is it, like the
HP> evidence all fundies (meta, reasonable, radical, etc.) claim,
HP> inaccessible "at the moment" (whenever the moment may be)?
Actually it isn't possible.They are psychological constructs,
that with enough conditioning can be made to appear at will.
The ceremonies, incantations, etc. are nothing but tools with which
to focus your will.And it aint going to do shit if you sit on your
ass all day.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Re: -------
|Date: 21 Jan 96 00:59:46
EID:38c9 20350760
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101c842
-=> Richard Morrison invoked Re: ------- which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LC>The Founding Father's we Deist Freemasons, not Christians.
RM> Some yes but which ones?
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Samuel Adams (The Boston
Tea Party was planned in a Masonic Lodge), and Paul Revere to
name a few.
LC>Washington even said that the US was "In noway founded on Christian
RM> Where did he say that? I would like to read it in context.
I've seen in several places but I have yet to find it myself.
I'll look it up next time I go to the library.
LC> Just to show it works both ways.I've found that most people be pis
LC> to find that the First amendment extends both ways.
RM> You really should read it. Also consider reading the
RM> writings of those that wrote the constitution. It will be
RM> a real eye opener.
I've read the entire constitution.You here about the new amendment
that they sneaked past us that guarantees a pay raise each year
for the members of congress.
LC> I've been disciplined and have had materials confiscated because
LC> they were 'Devil Books' and the teacher 'didn't like them'.
LC> I've also been threatened with bodily harm because of my beliefs.
RM> Did you report it?
My parent's didn't do anything about the books, but I didn't tell
any one about the threats.If any body tried anything, I'm confidant
that I can defend my self.
LC> Maybe it was the primary religion, but the Founders such as
LC> Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington were Deists (They believed in
LC> god, but they didn't believe in one of the major religions.One of
LC> prerequesites of Free Masonry is that you believe in God).
RM> Yea, but they don't say which one do they? Yal Bu Yan
RM> is the Freemasons' god.
It's JaBulOn.I'm starting to wonder if THAT wasn't taken out of context
too. (In some of the literature I've read, they've taken passages
out of context, in order to occuse them of various practices, such
as eating the dead and the like.
Actually, again, you should read
RM> some of Jefferson's letters, I have a book of them and
RM> it's neat.
Cool, I'll try and find them.But I don't trust most of the anti-masonic
literature I've read.I also wouldn't put so much trust in Pike's book,
as it may or may not have represented Freemasonry in general,
despite what he may have claimed (Freemasonry often attracts those
with a flair for pomp and pageantry, as well for the dramatic.
Crowley was a Freemason, as were the founders of the Golden Dawn
and OTO).
Also at his memorial in Washington DC, you can
RM> read inscriptions on the walls of his writings that are
RM> quite clear on what he did and didn't think. Check it out.
Damn, I'll have to do some research then.Thanks for the ideas.
LC> RM> in the service for HIS Service
LC> In the service for Cthulhu's Service.
LC>Luke
RM> HE HE HE... People still having trouble with this one... <
~~~~
Big Fishy Grin?
RM> BTW: What service are you in then? Army Navy Air force
RM> Marines? Oops, sounds like a commercial... I thought you
RM> said you were in school Luke. :-D
Yep, just turned 15.I've thinking about getting ordained by
the ULC and starting the "Church of Cthulhu of Latter Aeon Sorcerers"
but I'm not sure about it yet.While I don't think Lovecraft knew
too much about occult practices, others who have written
Mythos tales (Such as Derleth) apparently did.I particularly
liked "The Lurker at the Threshold".I also enjoyed the movie
version of "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward".
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re:
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:05:48
EID:26cc 203508a0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101c9ac
-=> Jim Staal invoked which summoned Sean Mccullough<=-
-=> Quoting Sean McCullough to Dave Ray <=-
> -=> Quoting Jim Staal to Dan Ceppa <=-
> DC> The Pharasees were not the rulers of the temple. They did not
> DC> need the temple as a power base. Further, not only did they
> DC> support the teachings of Jesus, they _authored_ the bulk of
> DC> those theories that your godling claimed as his own.
> JS> Whew! Now I would like to some evidence for any of the above rubbish,
> JS> MISTER Ceppa...
SM> Nine tenths of what the Christians claim Jesus invented was really the
SM> inventions of Rabbi Hillel, and the Essene communities of Mt. Carmel
SM> (the original in Judaea, not the one in Wacko Waco), Callirhoe, and
SM> Heliopolis/Alexandria (the two cities in Jesus' time were kinda like
SM> Colorado Springs and Fountain are today).
JS> I would still like to see some _Biblical_ evidence (you know, the
JS> valid kind) for any of the above rubbish...
That's a bit biased, isn't it?
SM> Point being: The Midrashim Hillel were household books, and Hillel's
SM> name a household word, before Miriam ever got herself knocked up --
SM> however she managed to do so.
JS> Miriam was the sister of Moses. What relevance? BTW, and evidence
JS> (biblical) to support this claim? (about the household word stuff)
Miriam is the Hebrew for Mary.Since she was Jewish, she would have
been called Miriam.
SM> See: Rev. Dr. C.F. Potter's __The Lost Years of Jesus Revealed__,
SM> ISBN 0-449-13039-8, Fawcett/Ballantyne NYC, 1958-1992. This is an
SM> account, by a major Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, of where/how Jesus spent
SM> the "invisible" years, those between 12 and his late twenties.
JS> Read a couple of pages from it: BUNKO! Wet dreams of an apostate
JS> 'theologian'. It still gathers dust in my upper closet shelf.
Just what's bunko about it? Don't find it suspicious that
such a large portion of your saviors life seems to be missing?
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Sean Mccullough
|Sub: Re: submission
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:40:50
EID:5ff7 20350d00
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101d1e2
-=> Sean Mccullough invoked submission which summoned Luke Clark<=-
> -=> Maria Russell invoked Re: submission which summoned Sean Mccullough<=-
> -=>Sean, where will you be spending eternity? <=-
> Now explain how wanting to dispense with authority makes him a
> Socialist.Sean (Correct me if I'm wrong) is an Anarchist.
SM> Dead to the money, Luke!!
Personally, I'm more of a Nihilist than anything else.The only
real problem I have with Anarchy is keeping gangs of people from
annihilating smaller gangs of people without interfering with anybodies
normal functioning ability.I think gun's would help, to a certain
extant, but eventually it'd come down to who has more guns and
people.Unless we drill respect for other's into todays generation,
anarchy will either give way to dictatorship as it did in Post WWI
Germany, or to annihilation.
SM> ! Origin: Knock, Knock!! Who's there? Cthul! (1:128/203.666)
Cthulu's too important to run errands.That's what Nyarlethotep is
for.
Interestingly enough, I've found interesting similarities between
the Cthulhu Mythos and Crowley's system.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Re: submission
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:46:52
EID:fa25 20350dc0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101d34c
-=> Gwenny The Pooh invoked submission which summoned Luke Clark<=-
GTP> Heilsa, Luke!
GTP> Yes, Sean is an Anarchist. As am I. But I registered
GTP> Republican this year just to mess with their minds.
GTP>
He,he,he.I know a ceremonial magician/wiccan who's a republican.
I can be considered an Anarchist, although I'm more of a Nihilist
than anything else.
GTP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Originally, I would say Valhalla, but that would entail fighting
against Loki, my favorite Norse God.In the end, he wins because
he accomplished his purpose.He and Heimdall annihilate each other,
but in the end Loki's action cause the destruction of the Aesir,
which was his goal.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Re: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 21 Jan 96 01:49:54
EID:f39b 20350e20
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101d402
-=> Gwenny The Pooh invoked Thumb-sucking Fundy which summoned Luke Clark<=-
GTP> Heilsa, Luke!
LC> You say that you are a witch.Do you have any evidence to support
LC> this claim?
GTP> Well, I suppose my saying that I know him and he
GTP> is a practicing witch can't be taken as evidence, can it.
He may claim to be a witch, but that doesn't make him one, does it?
My dictionary has:One with supernatural power; hag.
I doubt that he is a hag, so unless he has supernatural power,
he's not a witch.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Re: YHWH
|Date: 21 Jan 96 02:21:56
EID:60f6 203512a0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3101db84
-=> Michael Hardy invoked Re: YHWH which summoned Luke Clark<=-
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> representation of God and the Old Testament's representation is
MH> exactly the same -- God saves and forgives those who ask him to, and
MH> judges those who remain defiant in their rejection of him.
LC> How do innocent little babies remain defiant of him?
MH> When did I ever say anything about babies?
LC>
LC> God has ordered their death, according to the bible.Regardless
LC> of what the situation was, how can a God who's very nature is love
LC> even CONCIEVE of such an order.Surely an OMNIPOTENT and OMNICIENT
LC> god could think of a better way to carry out it's will.
MH> God's perspective is eternal, while ours is temporal. If truly
MH> innocent people die as a result of his judgment -- or for any other
MH> reason -- they spend eternity in heaven. What's wrong with that?
That's not biblical, heretical apostate! Jesus is the only way
to the father!
Your
MH> question carries with it the implication that death is The End; but
MH> with God, that's not true at all.
If death doesn't matter, what's with "Thou shalt not kill"?
What's wrong with them sacrificing children to god? They'll
go to heaven!
LC>
LC> He still causes destruction, doesn't he? People still are killed,
LC> aren't they? But, if that doesn't satisfy you...
MH> Love isn't "luv." Luv is soft and fluffy. Love is holy and demanding.
MH> Luv gives the alcholic another bottle. Love tears it from his hands
MH> and throws his butt into rehab. And if he won't dry out, Love keeps
MH> him away from the children so they won't be influenced by him.
Love doesn't torment him in an abyss of fire for all eternity.
People are punished in order to learn something.Eternal punsishment
precludes learning any sort of lesson, and is thus punishment
for punishment's sake.That isn't loving.
MH> Yes, those who make themselves his enemy, he will judge.
LC>
LC> How do people who have never heard of him, make themselves his enemy?
MH> By failing to act on what they *do* know. We're all created in the
MH> image of God, even those who haven't heard of God.
Are you saying that people who haven't heard the gospel or of Jesus
can't lead a virtuouse (as defined by the bible) life? Besides,
it says that you can't be saved except through Jesus.
MH> "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the
MH> godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their
MH> wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them,
MH> because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of
MH> the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine
MH> nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been
MH> made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:18-20
It's easy for a Jew turned Christian to say that, without any
practical experience in dealing with totally foreign cultures
to say that.That still doesn't explain why he would send a virtuouse
Buddhist who never had a chance to learn of Jesus to hell.
And don't try and argue and haggle about it.The bible says that all
those who don't believe in Jesus will be damned.
LC> If people don't want anything to do with them, and just want
LC> to die in peace, why doesn't he leave them alone? I have trouble
LC> believing that god would be a petty asshole.
MH> God made us in his image for the purpose of being unified with him.
Than why not just do it.
MH> He isn't being petty, he's trying to open your eyes to a reality that
MH> is infinitely better than being left alone.
MH> I believe that hell is where you are when God gives up on you and
MH> lets you have your way. There are people who want God to leave them
MH> alone, and eventually he will. But you'll wish he hadn't.
So do you believe that the Lake of Fire is a literal place of real
burning flames, or do you see it as a metaphor?
LC> And did not Jesus say that you should love your enemies?
MH> God does love his enemies. That's why he became a man and died on a
MH> cross -- so that all of his enemies would have the offer of his
MH> gracious mercy.
But he's the one who started it! He is ultimately responsible for sin.
Damn... it's late... can we continue this in my next reply?
LC> If they accepted Jesus they wouldn't BE his enemies, would they?
MH> As I said, it's an *offer*. Acceptance or rejection is your choice.
MH> Those who knowingly spurn the offer remain his enemies.
What about those who don't know? It says they'll be damned as well.
LC> He wrote down who would and would not be saved before the earth
LC> was created, according to revaltions.Ultimately, he decided that
LC> he would create people who would be damned.How is this MY fault?
LC> He knows if in the end I will or will not accept Jesus.
LC> Free Will is a fascade according to your god.And if god decided
LC> who and who would not be saved, doesn't that make him responsible
LC> for the people he damns? They wouldn't have a choice, and is not
LC> sin the resault of choice?
MH> Revelation, singular. And I don't think it says that God decided who
MH> would be saved before the creation. He may have *known*, but knowing
MH> is not the same as causing.
For an omnipotent god it is.It's called negligence.If it were possible,
I think we could win a court case against him (Hmm... Satan was supposedly
gods' prosecutor, one wonder's if he was thrown out because he won
a case, and god didn't like the decision).
You make your own choices. He does know
MH> if you ultimately will or will not accept Christ; but he doesn't cause
MH> you to make whatever choice you make.
If I knew somebody was going to die because of something I created
and was responsible for and failed to act upon this knowledge, I
would be guilty of negligence.Your god is not above the law.
The US is the supreme law of the universe, as is proved by
the trully omnipoten IRS.
MH> He doesn't compel you to accept it. But it's there, anytime you
MH> choose to have it.
Not if my name isn't written in the Book of Life.As you said, God
is eternal.If I am going to be saved, I eventually will be, if I am
to be damned, I will be, and all of your arguing, brilliant as it may be,
will come to naught in the face of the Most Holy Righteous Lord
of the Universe, Initiation, and All Cool Things (TM).
MH> Some choose to remain his enemy. And those seal their own fate.
LC> I don't wish to be his enemy.I politely ask him to leave me alone.
MH> It's beyond me, then, why you post to this forum and invite his
MH> followers to not leave you alone. Maybe you something you don't want
MH> to admit?
Actually, I'm on this forum for enjoyment, and I happen to enjoy
arguing, no matter how stupid what I am defending is.
MH> If you really do want to be left alone, and he can't change your
MH> mind, then he'll leave you alone.
Cool.Now if only you could tell that to Miller, Staal, and Russel,
et al.
Luke
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: 19th Cent Holysmoke 7-7
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:51:06
EID:e5a9 2033b660
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3100208b
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30fe37be
18 Jan 96 10:57, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Katherine Wintersnight:
LB>> St. Paul said, "If they [women] will learn anything, let them ask
LB>> their husbands at home;" and the colossal ignorance of most women
LB>> would seem to indicate that they have obeyed the command to the
LB>> letter. -+--
KW>> Thank you, Lynda. That was thought provoking, when I wasn't
LB> That was my reaction, too....what a WONDERFUL sense of humor! When
I
LB> get time, I'm going to have to read up on her. I'd be most interested
LB> in seeing what popular reaction was to her views.
You don't already know what the popular reaction was to an outspoken woman
in the 19th Century?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:32:54
EID:b623 2033b400
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31001c3c
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30fdd2b1
17 Jan 96 00:32, Robert Jackson wrote to Sean McCullough:
RJ> Slightly germane to the topic, but I did a little reading on
RJ> Vicki Weaver (who got her head blown off for wielding a baby
RJ> at Fed sharpshooters at Ruby Ridge). Turns out that though
RJ> hubby Randy was the rabid bigot, a good bit of his ideology
RJ> came from his wife, who _was_ the spiritual keystone of the
RJ> family. She was the one who believed she and her adolescent
RJ> daughter should be "separated" from the men during their
RJ> periods to live in a drafty shack away from the house, as well
RJ> as the usual spate of rabid Christian female submission.
RJ> Why do you suppose people insist on making life so needlessly
RJ> difficult for themselves?
Why has Jesse stayed here as long as he has? It's the martyr complex, Robert.
They want to be more like their Savior.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:34:01
EID:82e6 2033b440
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31001c97
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16 Jan 96 22:03, Robert Jackson wrote to Michael Hardy:
MH>> I'm surprised -- no, not really -- that you turn one person's
MH>> criticism into "common."
RJ> I guess you're right. Though Maria has also brought up the
RJ> same comment, she doesn't exactly count--she's more like
RJ> Jimbo's echo chamber. Let's see...Christian also has jumped
RJ> on the "Lynda's Not A Real True Christian " bandwagon as
RJ> well. I'm sure there've been a couple of others--anyone out
RJ> there have a few names come to mind?
Jose Gomez did recently. I'm sure you'll get 4 or 5 other names. Like
in many other things, Hardly only sees what he *wants* to see.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 22:39:33
EID:58cd 2033b4e0
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17 Jan 96 18:39, Robert Jackson wrote to Preston Simpson:
JS>> Ahh...sure pushed the right buttons with that one, didn't I...
PS>> Pity that you let this stand between you and heaven, Jim. Don't
PS>> worry. I'll make sure I grab the berth next to yours in Hell so I
PS>> can keep you company for all eternity. Won't that be nice?
RJ> Make sure you use lots of big words, so he can say "What?"
RJ> for all eternity.
I didn't know "onus" was a big word.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: INTO.
|Date: 20 Jan 96 21:56:57
EID:e9c9 2034af00
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31016556
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD244E9D
18 Jan 96 19:23, John Prewett wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
AS>> out of our gourds. You assert that JFK will come back as the
AS>> Antichrist. You do realize that it makes you sound nuttier than a
AS>> jar of Planter's, don't you?
JP> Al, it's all wierd to heathens. WBW, John
Welcome to the club. Pretty soon Jim-bob Billy-Ray Staal is gonna start
accusing you of sucking up.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: [2/2] Grace
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:33:35
EID:c280 20357420
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16 Jan 96 15:41, Ken Wiens wrote to Ryan Shaw:
Not you *again*? You silly fundies just can't stay away.
Gonna try to brag about your education again, Kenny-boy?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:16:56
EID:44c0 20356a00
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18 Jan 96 23:02, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
PS>>> Demerol is some fun stuff. I know what I'm talking about--they
DW>> After I took one of those things, Wintersnight could have had
DW>> Hulk Hogan brain me with that spider of hers, and I'dve laughed
DW>> in his face. About the pain or anydamnthing else. Pretty nice,
DW>> IMO. :)
RJ> Gee, now all I have to do is figure out a way of temporarily
RJ> maiming myself to try it...
You could try what I did - bend at the waist while picking up a 30 lb 4"x4"x4"
box. The period in between the injury and the application of the mind-blowing
pain reliever, though, is a real bitch.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Send in your WAV!
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:48:58
EID:b4a1 2044661d
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b9844
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Get your priorities straight, man! Get rid of the wife!
sq> I'm sorry, Fred...I'm afraid I can't do that.
Do you have utmost confidence in your mission?
sq> The best I can hope to do is have a yearly "big buy." :)
FR> Can't you sneak the expense in some how like, oh, I dunno, saying the
FR> car needs a new water pump? (Evil, yes, I know. Jesse's right.)
sq> Why are you attributing to me the same malignant behaviour
sq> that you would attribute to some of the liars for Jesus whom
sq> we have here? :)
"Satan" paid me to do it.
sq> Given that I'm on a break-neck pace right now to get my
sq> Mickeysoft certification, I should have a few more dollars
sq> with which to play by the end of the year. :)
Too cool! You could also ask your new wife to walk the streets. That
what I did. }:-} (I sound like a Promise Keeper, huh?)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: HolySmoke Staals
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:50:34
EID:6d89 20446651
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b9845
PID: FM 2.02
>>>> Because of this the enemy runs rampant there.
sq> Isn't this a howl? Look, Fred! I'm "the enemy!" I
sq> wonder what Jesus thinks of this.
"The enemy." No wonder the Christanic death cult has the history
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Jesse ignores unauthorized Staal questions
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:54:27
EID:fdac 204466cd
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b9846
PID: FM 2.02
sq> What? No reply to her question? Your whining about "Why
sq> do heathens celebrate Christmas?" seemed to imply to me
sq> that you want "heathens" to leave "your" holiday alone.
FR> "Why is Veger not responding?"
sq> Because Vejur doesn't WANT to join with "The Creator."
"Oh, stop the copulation" - Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.
sq> This particular Vejur is looking for the same thing that
sq> the other was trying to find...anybody want to rig up a
sq> Walkman and play Decker-Unit?
Does the Decker Unit have to shave his head like the what's-her-name unit?
FR> Her question was unauthorized. Why, if Jesse were to answer
FR> that he might be expected to answer other embarrassing
FR> questions. Like where his deities came from.
Can't have THOSE hurtful, emarrassing questions asked, now can we?
sq> I'd rather he carry on about that instead of telling
sq> others that they are as afflicted as he is. :-/
Yes, we're all empty. And we're too empty to realize we're empty. }:-}
jcj> But I will not abandon the celebration of the Birth of
jcj> Christ just because some cunning Middle-Aged monk decided
jcj> to place it at a time already considered festive.
FR>
sq> You can just see the foot being stamped.
Yes, little eyebrows slanting down in a frown, pretending the world will
all change to meet his little boy wishes.
sq> I tell you, if we play our cards right, we can milk
sq> entertainment out of this one until March or April. :)
Just wait until C4!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Staal IGNORANCE 5:3-11
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:57:43
EID:a217 20446735
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b9848
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3102a4ea
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Is that an evolutionary benefit?
hp> We be tribal animals, remember?
FR> You're saying that tribal warfare helps a species
fr> advance physically and technologically?
ps> I'd buy it technologically. Look at all of the remarkable things we
have
ps> as the result of some damned fool wanting to kill some other fool over
ps> something that may ultimately be worthless.
Like deity constructs, yeah. I conceed the point utterly. I just wish
it didn't take so long for the technology to trickle down. I mean, where's
_MY_ Toyota-mounted Sidewinder missles?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: So -shoot- me! (And don't Staal)
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:00:42
EID:d164 20446815
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 118b9849
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3102a4eb
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Yep. You can't see them heading down range but you can hear them.
sq> Hearing bullets go "wheet!" is bad enough. Seeing
sq> them might be more than one could handle.
It might let you get out of the way. }:-}
ps> Too bad for the bad guys.
FR> "But he had rights!"
ps> Fuck his rights.
FR> I feel that way often. Not always, though, but often.
ps> For minor crimes, I am more disposed to treating
ps> the criminal as merely an errant member of society.
It depends. If it's a violent crime -- punching an old woman and takeing
her purse, for instance -- I would want the guy to bleed to death. If he
just takes her purse off her car seat, then I wouldn't.
ps> For the major stuff, I tend to see them as active threats
ps> to the species--something that isn't to be tolerated.
Just claim deities and sociopathic behavior becomes devine will.
FR> That's reasonable and, in my opinion, the moral and ethical high
FR> ground. When it comes to protecting property, however, lethal force
FR> would only be entertained if I felt threatened enough by the potential
FR> for having simple theft turn into assualt.
ps> Same here (I'll be damned if I say "ditto").
ROFL! Did you see my write-up on the cartoon with the jack-in-the-box being
blown away by a little kid and him saying, "Mega dittos! Mega dittos!"?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:31:13
EID:a5f0 2035abe0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102b19e
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60d201b8
20 Jan 96 01:30, J.J. Hitt wrote to Michael Hardy:
BH>>> CHRISTIAN HORIZONS
BH>>> Front line staff required to work with developmentally and
BH>>> behaviourally challanged individuals in group home settings.
BH>>> Working from a Christian perspective, education and experience
BH>>> are required.
BH>>> What absolutely galls me is that these ads are ILLEGAL IN
BH>>> CANADA and yet, Christians still get away with it!!!
MH>> Since the name of the organization seems to be Christian
MH>> Horizons, perhaps it a religous organization?
Why am I not surprised that Mikey "Knee Jerk" Hardy rushed to the defense
of these bozos? You'd think he'd learn after having his head handed to
him so many times. Maybe we should start chopping him off at the knees,
instead?
JH> mop floors or process accounts payable? BULLSHIT. This is simply
JH> another way of saying "NIGGERS NEED NOT APPLY".
Exactly.
MH>> I don't think you'd argue that a Christian church should have to
MH>> open its pastorate to Jews, Moslems and atheists.
JH> Your church got it's pastor by putting a WANT AD in the paper?
He is a 'bamy, after all.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:09:46
EID:f0b8 2035a920
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102abbf
19 Jan 96 11:42, Annette Spence wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but their very
JH>> presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly on just what sort
JH>> of character Mr. Miller actually is.
AS> and you are telling me because???
AS> I am not his keeper. If he belonged to my church I would have some
AS> responsibility here, but unless you are planning on paying for my
AS> plane ticket I don't see much I can do here.
I think you've found the right button to play with.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:10:14
EID:a3ca 2035a940
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102ac2f
19 Jan 96 11:42, Annette Spence wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but their very
JH>> presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly on just what sort
JH>> of character Mr. Miller actually is.
AS> and you are telling me because???
AS> I am not his keeper. If he belonged to my church I would have some
AS> responsibility here, but unless you are planning on paying for my
AS> plane ticket I don't see much I can do here.
Weren't you the one recently patting Christian on the back for being such
a good little Xtian? Don't you think you should at least retract that kind
of thing, now that you know what he's really like?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:19:19
EID:8898 20356a60
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18 Jan 96 23:37, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I didn't ask you how you'd raise your children, did I? I asked
DW>> you, "If you had the ability, would you torture your children for
DW>> eternity?"
RJ> I've got a new question for you to add to your list.
Like I need any more - I can't get the other ones answered as it is. :)
RJ> "What
RJ> about the Preterite?"
Preterite?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Female Circumcision, yet
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:20:27
EID:2fbf 20356a80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31023dbd
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31003377
19 Jan 96 18:29, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
DM>>> their work for them. I suspect that the Anglo Saxons found the
JT>> Small error in the above paragraph Don. Anglo-Saxon is a
JT>> sub-race that resulted from the Saxon masters breeding with the
JT>> native anglos. In other words Anglo-Saxon is not suitable to
JT>> refer to the people who took over England... only those they
JT>> became.
This shit still amazes me...
DW>> The Angles just got there and took things over before the
DW>> Saxons
DW>> did.
RJ> ...who snicked it from the Gaels, who pilfered it from the
RJ> Picts, who drove out the...uh, who did the Picts displace?
The thetans.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: flood
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:21:29
EID:3d55 20356aa0
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe20e
18 Jan 96 04:15, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
RJ>> What I could never get over, when talking with a fundy
RJ>> friend of mine in college (he was in EEngr, if that don't
RJ>> beat all),
DW>> Oddly enough, engineering is somewhat of a refuge for
DW>> "scientific" (I use that word in its loosest possible sense)
DW>> minded fundies. There's just enough mathematics and simple
DW>> science involved that they can convince themselves they are
DW>> experts on *real* science, yet they don't have to mess with that
DW>> blasphemous evolution and big bang shit.
RJ> This is a truism.
No, it's a pain in the ass. :) Engineering is difficult enough withou some
putz asking "have you met Jesus" every other day.
RJ> In fact, I had a biomed prof who used the first day of
RJ> all his lectures to _witness_ to students.
I haven't had that happen yet. Most of the instructors here keep whatever
faith they have to themselves. My advisor, though, uses the first day of
class to _embarass_ students. He (and I) have a thing about people who
wear hats indoors. He has the power to do something about it, though.
I enjoy sitting in the hall outside his class on the first day whenever
he teaches a intro course - he makes *everybody* take their hats off. Since
many people seem to use hats as an alternative to washing their hair, the
results are amusing. Listening to the dippy little freshmen bitch about
what an ass he is as they leave class is also fun.
RJ> Engineering is just *crawling* with jeezoids
Believe me, I'm aware of this. Of everybody I know in UT's EE department,
there are only two atheists and one woman who's nominally a Christian but
is disgusted with religion - I'm working on her (in more ways than one :)).
The other atheist is a shithead.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:31:17
EID:a1bc 20356be0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31024094
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22a
19 Jan 96 00:02, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I'm suprised Sinead O'Connor hasn't been assassinated, though.
RJ> Gotta admit, I got a bit of a chuckle out of her stunt on
RJ> SNL. Until almost a day later, I had forgotten that there
RJ> are a lot of people in the world who think that was a big
RJ> deal--it's just standard fare for a 'Smoker.
Hell, she pissed *me* off. I can only imagine what must've been going through
the minds of the Mafia (among others).
RJ> Next thing you know, Prewett's inviting her to his place
RJ> for tea and Marlboros.
Wouldn't that make his "sister" jealous?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: forgiveness available
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:10:03
EID:7d42 20357140
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REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30ff8f54
19 Jan 96 06:08, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Jim Staal:
GR>> I am. Feel free to show that I'm not. Or stop whining and
GR>> making claims that you can't back up for lack of education.
JS>> Ask george about his degree(s)...
LB> 98.6 or thereabouts?
Staal's just jealous because his is only 25 degrees C.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:54:11
EID:e23c 203586c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31026fc8
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 3100337c
19 Jan 96 19:12, Robert Jackson wrote to Jim Staal:
RJ> Sure is a whole lot easier than having to read a book, isn't
RJ> it, "English Major"? Was thinking always hard for you, or
RJ> did something happen to you to make you give it up?
D'ya mean _other_ than his baptism?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Homosexian Christual
|Date: 21 Jan 96 16:57:15
EID:5ecb 20358720
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REPLY: 1:103/550.0 30fc31ec
16 Jan 96 15:17, Ken Wiens wrote to Preston Simpson:
KW> Besides, He is the one calling the shots. So, anything you or I
KW> say or think about it has no effect on what He says or does.
Were you born spineless or did you have to take grovelling lessons?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Married, Will Cheat
|Date: 21 Jan 96 17:02:53
EID:701b 20358840
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16 Jan 96 15:22, Ken Wiens wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> ... "From the author of the best selling horror novel, _The
PS>> Bible_...."
KW> Ya. From the pov of most on this Conference this is probably true.
KW> Problem is, someday it will be for many a historical horror novel.
Too bad you're unable to present any evidence to support your view.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:33:40
EID:65d3 20356c20
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18 Jan 96 22:34, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
RJ> Would you like to think about *this* as a hilarious situation?
RJ> killin' and free speech. The fundies flock to these
RJ> companies in droves, since they're the only "righteous"
RJ> places to buy whatever products they need.
RJ> How much you wanna bet they'll consistently turn out the
RJ> shittiest merchandise on the market, seeing as how they've got
RJ> their customers over a barrel?
That's a sucker bet if I ever saw one.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: on the fifth day of s
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:35:44
EID:da63 2035ac60
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19 Jan 96 18:06, J.J. Hitt wrote to Kevin D. Mckenzie:
A>>> You are a fool! I didn't bother sending a curse your way.
A>>> You ever think that maybe I _just said that_? Or do you
A>>> believe everything you hear?
KDM>> Let me get this straight- first, you damn J.J. for lying,
KDM>> and then you do the same? There's a word that describes
KDM>> you, bucko. It starts with a h, ends in an e, and has
KDM>> ypocrit in the middle.
JH> That's too damned subtle.
JH> He'll never figure it out.
Here, Kevin, try this "starts with a K, ends with an h, and has enwort in
the middle".
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|From: David Worrell
|To: All
|Sub: One Ring to Rule Them All
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:26:24
EID:1829 2035ab40
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18 Jan 96 08:57, Anthony Grigor-Scott wrote to Damien Wellman:
AS> Christian greetings in the precious Name
Where'ss that nassty Baginssess?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 21 Jan 96 17:09:01
EID:7d7f 20358920
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19 Jan 96 01:44, Robert Jackson wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
RJ> On the subject of said friend above (a Christian, so he claims)
RJ> is currently having an affair with the wife of a friend of ours
RJ> (the couple are pagans, btw). They think they're "in love".
Maybe you could explain something to me. How is your friend going to be
able to trust this bimbo (supposing she dumps her husband for him)?
I've had quite a few opportunities to plow someone else's field (in addition
to stealth Baptists, I also seem to attract married women), but I've never
really seen the point in it. If someone will cheat on another person with
me, they'll eventually cheat on me with someone else. I don't have time
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:43:19
EID:eba0 2035a560
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18 Jan 96 22:23, Robert Jackson wrote to Rob Burcham:
AS>> call people stupid that they would never dare in real life. I've
AS>> noticed that the uh, more reactionary and flammatory people here
AS>> tend to have a wife or husband, or a relationship of some sort,
AS>> and children.
RJ> Heh-heh..not me. I'm a sullen loner who usually keeps to
RJ> myself. I am the angel of death...the time of purification
RJ> is at hand. I am the angel of death...the time of purifi-
RJ> cation is at hand.
I think Jimbo's not the only one off his medication, :)
RJ> Yup. You just can't walk on eggshells when you try to debate
RJ> some topics. Especially when dealing with gits.
*That* should get you in the FAQ. If it doesn't, nothing will.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: PERSEVERE
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:45:53
EID:59a8 2035a5a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102a64a
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31003374
19 Jan 96 19:12, Robert Jackson wrote to Judith Bandsma:
RJ> All those big-breasted Babdiss girls with their bows that
RJ> match their jumpers and socks with the little cheerleader
RJ> pom-pons on the back...
STOP THAT!
You're giving me flashbacks to my last 6 dates (before the ex-Methodist).
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: QUESTIONING ALL BUT
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:42:43
EID:e703 2035ad40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102b37e
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23a
19 Jan 96 02:17, Robert Jackson wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
AS>> But of course, I've never read much of Gay.
AS>> (Which doesn't mean I'm anti-Gay, of course...)
RJ> "Not that there's anything wrong with that..." (Seinfeld)
"Homophobes..." [Leopard]
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Rev. Winter--a physical description
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:43:18
EID:f2df 2035ad60
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19 Jan 96 02:20, Robert Jackson wrote to George Rudzinski:
RJ> They were such strange people, the ones I saw when I went to
RJ> college in the buckle of the Babble Belt. It was like looking
RJ> at a mayonnaise Norman Rockwell painting. The postures were
RJ> stiff--they had unsettling body language, even when they were
RJ> just hanging out at the union with their friends. They took
a
RJ> table like they owned the place, but it was like watching a
RJ> boardmeeting instead of goofy collegekids kicking back.
There's a guy here who writes an ultra-conservative (makes Limbaugh look
like Jerry Brown) editorial column in the school paper. I was skipping
class and strolling around campus yesterday and saw him in person for the
first time (his picture is printed with his column). He had the physique
and many of the mannerisms of Urkel (or however you spell his name). He
was a "stiff" (as you refer to above) little guy who walked with his arms
bowed out in a vain attempt to "preserve his 'space'". He was also *big*
handtalker, gesticulating all over the sidewalk. He probably thought I
was some sort of lunatic, since I damn near fell down laughing once I recognized
him. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Star DeTracktor
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:15:21
EID:397b 203569e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31023ca6
16 Jan 96 15:33, DAVID RICE wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
DW>> You obviously missed the DS9 episode where the Bajoran
DW>> chick wore a tight rubber outfit for the entire show.
DW>> T'hell with drama, plot, acting, and all that other
DW>> silly shit...
DR> Just give me Tasha Yar's sister. Thanks.
I guess I've just got broader horizons than you - I want Tasha's sister
*and* Tasha.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:29:06
EID:ae33 203573a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31024e1c
REPLY: 00195202
20 Jan 96 20:04, Zayd Allebban wrote to Marty Leipzig:
->> Islam: If this shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
ZA> I take extreme offense from these statements about Islam. Please
ZA> don't relate "shit" and "Allah."
Does Allah ever have to take a shit?
Does he have to piss?
ZA> -+- PCBoard (R) v15.22/5
ZA> + Origin: C Delight [Knox. TN Satellite Mail Server] 573-1357
ZA> (1:3615/13)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:30:41
EID:ae33 203573c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31024e63
REPLY: 00195202
20 Jan 96 20:04, Zayd Allebban wrote to Marty Leipzig:
ZA> I take extreme offense from these statements about Islam. Please
ZA> don't relate "shit" and "Allah."
ZA> -+- PCBoard (R) v15.22/5
ZA> + Origin: C Delight [Knox. TN Satellite Mail Server] 573-1357
ZA> (1:3615/13)
I finally get a fundy in my net, and wouldn't you know it turns out to be
a Muslim.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: the virgin Mary
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:01:06
EID:abda 20357020
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REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3100361a
19 Jan 96 19:01, Sue Armstrong wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Virgin Mary, call 1-800-345-MARY." I'm not making this shit up.
SA> all 800 numbers can be dialed from everywhere.) At the very least,
SA> it's THEIR dime I used.
ha. Maybe I ought to call 'em a couple more times...
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:16:20
EID:d5ff 2035aa00
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17 Jan 96 05:36, Andrew Masten wrote to Marty Leipzig:
AM> Natural science by definition precludes God.
Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural sciences "preclude"
God.
AM> The exclusion of a supernatural agency for a possible
AM> explanation, leaves only natural cause's.
Supernatural agencies are excluded because we have no evidence for any supernatural
agencies. Do you have any such evidence that you'd like to share?
AM> do admire you for your blind faith. For it takes less faith to believe
AM> an intelligent being created intelligent beings,
Which intelligent being created God?
AM> lie that would prevent you from being accountable to a holy and
AM> rightous God.
Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
ML>> You believe in a capricious, vengeful, and utterly loathsome
ML>> God. How can you do other than to emulate him?
AM> If you had the slightest idea who God is, you would run to Him
AM> and not from Him.
Hell, I can't even *see* him. How can I run either to or away from him?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:21:32
EID:d5ff 2035aaa0
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18 Jan 96 05:39, Andrew Masten wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> Would this also be the same god who said "Now kill therefore
PS>> every male among the little ones, and every woman that hath known
PS>> man by lying with him"?
AM> The people Israel disposed of to enter the land were
AM> practicing all manner of abominations.
Which abominations were the male children practicing, Andrew? Why weren't
the virgin female children practicing the same abominations?
AM> How often do you hear people say why does God allow such evil to
AM> exist? A points reached when God judges a land.
He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified abomionations, yet
he does not judge Nazi Germany? That's a pretty fucked up God you worship.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:01:41
EID:ebfb 20357020
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102480d
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30ff6c66
18 Jan 96 07:10, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
PS>>> So what? Historical fiction refers to real places and real
PS>>> people too. Does that make it true?
AM>> So do true historical documents that are accurate.
DW>> Many Roman "true historical documents" speak of the divinity of
DW>> the emperor od the time. Do you also worship all the Roman
DW>> emperors?
AM> No!
So you don't think that Roman historical documents are true? You don't
believe that Augustus was emperor after Ceasar? You don't believe that
the Romans held gladiatorial games? All this because Roman historical documents
that claim these things also claim the the emperors were gods?
AM> but at the threat of crucifixtion who can say what a man
AM> would do?
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
AM>> Because God paid a dear price to buy us back.
DW>> What price would that be?
AM> The crucifixtion of God in the person of Jesus Christ, of
AM> course.
So God *is* dead, then? If he isn't he didn't pay a price.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 21 Jan 96 14:04:54
EID:488c 20357080
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31024842
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30ff6c67
18 Jan 96 07:16, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please present
DW>> it.
AM> Yes, request denied,
Why won't you present the evidence you claim to have, Andrew? Could it
be because you realize you have no evidence?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:49:02
EID:cf43 20356e20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31024572
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe212
18 Jan 96 04:27, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I don't even use cordless phones, much less phones that *never*
DW>> send anything through a wire.
RJ> Hmm. Good thing I've still got mine wired to the wall. I
RJ> can continue receiving orders over the phone for my contraband
RJ> trafficking sideline.
I handle all of my "sidelines" either face-to-face or with encrypted
e-mail.
Conidering the droves of people flocking to TV talk shows to air their dirty
laundry on national television, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people
are willing to broadcast the details of their lives over simle radio.
If I ever decide to go into blackmail, I'll make a killing.
RJ> ... "Cross those tentacles! We only have five nails." Cthulhu
RJ> crucified
If there's one thing worse than meeting Cthulhu in a dark alley,
it's meeting the mean, nasty fuck who can manage to *crucify* Cthulhu.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: WHAT??
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:01:05
EID:b11f 2035a820
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102a9bb
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 3100336d
19 Jan 96 17:13, Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh:
GtP>> I can't remember my first period...something every woman
GtP>> remembers. Sometimes I just sit and try to think of it and it's
GtP>> just not there. Sigh.
RJ> My ex-gf remembers hers. She's the one I mentioned is what
RJ> happens when someone like Maria raises children. Her mother
RJ> called her a tramp, because she figured any girl who had a
RJ> period was probably having sex.
That should have told her a lot about her mother (like when *she* started
having sex)...
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:53:53
EID:8e28 20356ea0
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18 Jan 96 04:30, Robert Jackson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> That's one of the reasons I eventually gave up on pot and all the
DW>> other drugs I used to partake of. It scared me that the really
DW>> good pot was always owned by real dipshits. There has to be a
DW>> connection there somewhere.
RJ> Don't make me paranoid, dude.
Sorry, man.
DW>> I was also worried that if I didn't stop, I'd start using the
DW>> words "man" or "dude" in every other sentence.
RJ> Aw, shit.
:)
DW>> "By the way, man, aren't you tired of working for other people,
DW>> barely making enough to live on? Wouldn't you like to be your
DW>> own boss and make as much money as you wanted, dude? Take a look
DW>> at this Amway literature."
RJ> Talk about pissed off, but last week I went to what I assumed
RJ> to be a job interview,
That's the new scam for all those quasi(and some not so quasi)-pyramid schemes
these days. Did you by chance meet some guy in a store (or just out anywhere)
who just *knew* he knew you from somewhere? Did he strike up a conversation
with you, eventually stating that he was looking for a few people willing
to make some good money? You, like many others, have been had.
RJ> pyramid scams--a company called Equinox which sells
RJ> environ mentally conscious products. I sat through it
RJ> because I wanted to see if they'd slip and mention
RJ> anything that'd clue me in on what cult _really_ runs
RJ> the operation. Ever heard of 'em?
Nope. I'm surprised it has taken this long for little Amway clones to start
springing up (like mushrooms in a cowpatty), though. I wouldn't be surprised
if they were a "covert" spin-off of Amway, though. Amway's corporate management
seems to be trying to give itself a face-lift, and they're not all that
willing to admit that *they're* Amway.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:02:00
EID:d688 2035a840
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102aa55
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 30fc3978
16 Jan 96 15:49, Ken Wiens wrote to Karl Schneider:
KS>> Everyfuckingbody in the ECHO has been BEGGING for evidence for
KS>> years!
KW> Right...They're all crawling all over each other trying to
KW> find evidence. And dogs fly too.
If you were as educated as you've claimed to be, you'd know it is not up
to us to "find" evidence to support *your* claims. It is up to you to present
such evidence.
Since you have not presented anything that bears a resemblence to even a
distant cousin of evidence, we are led to believe that you're completely
full of shit.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Why
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:05:41
EID:5caf 2035a8a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102aad5
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe219
18 Jan 96 19:42, Robert Jackson wrote to Alan Hess:
GtP>> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
AH>> Mt. Olympus.
RJ> Hades or Elysium -- Which for you?
Ellie Mae or Granny Clampett -- which for you?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:49:19
EID:19c5 2035ae20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102b51c
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b735
20 Jan 96 09:32, Gwenny the Pooh wrote to Jesse Jones:
JJ>> Doesn't your fear say something very negative about this
JJ>> place? I for one would be very receptive to hearing about those
JJ>> beliefs. It is a shame this cannot be a place to share those
JJ>> safely.
GP> And I would have no problem sharing my beliefs...anywhere else. It's
GP> not that I'm afraid, it's just that I know I have nothing to support
GP> what I believe. Why try. I wouldn't serve pizza to someone allergic
GP> to tomatoes, either.
Too bad you can't be equally honest, Jesse. Maybe it's just that pagans
are better people than Christians.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: paul
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:52:52
EID:ffc9 2035ae80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102b611
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b5ee
MH>>> Just one minor correction -- Paul was very much a Jew. He was not
MH>>> Roman. (Until later on in his missionary career, when he was
MH>>> roamin' all over the place ... ) :)
GtP>> Not according to his own words. Acts 22:27-28--The commander
GtP>> went to Paul and asked, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?"
GtP>> "Yes, I am," he answered. The the commander said, "I had to
GtP>> pay a big price for my citizenship" "But I was born a
GtP>> citizen," Paul replied. (NIV)
RJ> The NRSV backs that up, and so does the KJV, albeit in
RJ> more archaic words.
To the best of my knowledge, I have never accused Mikey of not having read
the bible he thumps. I can see I need to rectify that situation.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: paul
|Date: 21 Jan 96 21:54:28
EID:ed01 2035aec0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3102b646
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3100b5ee
MH>>> Just one minor correction -- Paul was very much a Jew. He was not
MH>>> Roman. (Until later on in his missionary career, when he was
MH>>> roamin' all over the place ... ) :)
GtP>>> Not according to his own words. Acts 22:27-28--The commander
GtP>>> went to Paul and asked, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?"
GtP>>> "Yes, I am," he answered. The the commander said, "I had to pay
GtP>>> a big price for my citizenship" "But I was born a citizen,"
GtP>>> Paul replied. (NIV)
Have you *read* that Bible you thump, Hardy?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:50:15
EID:6f44 20365e40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31037aab
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3100c144
19 Jan 96 02:50, Steve Wallis wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I didn't ask you how you'd raise your children, did I? I asked
DW>> you, "If you had the ability, would you torture your children for
DW>> eternity?"
SW> I myself wouldnt guy. And neither would God. God loves all of His
SW> children and never would torture any of them.
Was Job not one of God's children?
SW> And it's not God who send's people to hell, but rather people
SW> who send people to hell.
Bullshit, Stevie. I *refuse* to go to Hell. Does this mean that I'm going
to Heaven? Or is God going to put me in Hell regardless of what I want?
SW> Would you torture YOUR children for eternity if you had the ability?
SW> But, in fact you do. When you deny them Christ, your not only hurting
SW> them, your condemnig them. If you truly love your children, your gonna
SW> want the best for them.
1. I have no children.
2. If I had children, I would not "deny them Christ". That is a decision
they must make for themselves.
3. I do not believe in eternal torment, and have seen no evidence for such
a place. Do you have any?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 22 Jan 96 13:06:07
EID:ed06 203668c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31038bea
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 890A474C
20 Jan 96 21:00, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Rob Burcham <=-
DW>>
DW>> 15 Jan 96 23:08, Rob Burcham wrote to Karl Schneider:
KS>>> You could be charged with Knowingly Receiving Stupid Property.
RB>> Or even worse, he could be charged with litterin' and end
RB>> up on the Group W bench.
DW>> With 27 8x10 color glossy photographs.
DW>> He could even be forced to pick up the gar-bage in the snow.
MH> Mother rapers.
MH> Father stabbers.
MH> FATHER rapers!
"We don't want any hangings, kid."
"Opie, d'ya really think I'd hang myself for litterin'?"
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|From: David Worrell
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 22 Jan 96 13:08:09
EID:9568 20366900
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31038c66
17 Jan 96 19:59, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
AS>>> careful with that stuff. Again, work on electrodynamics for
AS>>> building magnetic "bottles".) But it WOULD work.
DW>> We've got magnetic bottles capable of holding fusion reactions.
DW>> We just don't have any way to cap the ends of the damn things.
DW>> The Stellerator design looked pretty promising, but the
DW>> government fucked up the only one they funded.
AS> Let's hope we can get one of those things working before there is an
AS> enviormental collapse from overpopulation. It's a race against time.
Don't let McCullough hear you say that. He'll regale you with the Wonders
of Windmills.
Seriously, the government has its head up its ass where fusion research
is concerned. They throw gobs of money at designs that simply do not work
(they produce a sustained fusion reaction, but it takes more energy to contain
the plasma than the reaction produces), while almost totally ignoring other
designs that do show some promise.
The Russian Tokamak is a good example. It uses a transformer core to "bend"
the field lines to help contain the reaction, but the core gets saturated
rather quickly and the whole thing has to shut down.
In the stellarator, the same "bending" is accomplished by wrapping conductors
around the surface of the donut that contains the plasma. These conductors
do not get saturated, so the reaction is sustainable. When the feds built
a stellarator, though, they couldn't decide whether it would be better to
have 4 or 6 wires. They decided to build a hybrid monster that had 4 conductors
around one side and six around the other side. What happened, you ask?
The plasma shot out the junction between the two sides. Bureaucracies can
fuck *anything* up.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: HAVE A HAPPY
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:52:59
EID:a580 20366680
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31038978
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60d71b4c
20 Jan 96 11:06, J.J. Hitt wrote to Boni Hitch:
JH> While I disagree with the methods used by the PLO and other
JH> groups acting in the name of the "Palestinian cause", the
JH> Palestinians have a legitimate greivance that is every
JH> bit as valid as that of any displaced people.
The Palestinians have no more claim to that land than the Jews. Their ancestors
took it from the Jews many centuries ago. The Jews took it from the Canaanites.
The Canaanites took it from somebody else. While the Jews are by no means
blameless in the current conflict, the Palestinians *left* their homes to
wait for the combined might of the Arab armies to destroy the invaders.
They're *still* waiting. It looks like their great-grandchildren will be
waiting as well.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: David Sparrow
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 22 Jan 96 13:01:22
EID:fba6 20366820
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31038acc
REPLY: 3:690/613.8 31004eeb
20 Jan 96 03:24, David Sparrow wrote to George Rudzinski:
DS> yourself and bypass the line-noise. If HE can't tell ya, then I guess
DS> you'll just have to ask your sister to read you the label.
Do you think Jesus is proud of your feeble attempts at insuting George?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:54:49
EID:e9f0 20365ec0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31037bee
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60d83c82
20 Jan 96 13:02, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
JG>>> You are not eating him,
DW>> You're damned right *I'm* not eating him. Dave don't play
DW>> that shit. You, on the other hand, eat his flesh and drink
DW>> his blood everytime you partake of Communion. You're a
DW>> sick little bugger.
JH> I'm sicker! I'm sicker!
Ok. You're sicker.
JH> It occurs to me that communion wafers have to come from
JH> somewhere. (I admit this isn't an incredibly brilliant
JH> observation.)
Y'mean they don't magically appear, straight from the Body of Christ, in
the communion tray each weekend?
When I was a christian, we didn't really have wafers. We had unsalted crackers.
JH> I think I'll check the local church supply stores and
JH> see if I cant get a five or ten pound bag. I'll start
JH> out by trying Cheze-Whiz on Jesus. (I'll call it
JH> Chese-on-Jeeze.) Then I can try and see what sort of
JH> dips he goes well with
McAbee? Wallis? Miller?
JH> (not the sort of dips we have here on
JH> the echo, but stuff like picante sauce).
Oh... nevermind. I think a sweet & sour type dip would be appropriate.
JH> Then there are
JH> Jesus Nachos to try out. If I can get some of those Big
JH> Hosts that some churches use, I'll see if I cant build
JH> a pizza on top of them. Or maybe I'll just bust Jesus
JH> up and eat him with soup and chili. If worst comes to
JH> worst (Jesus simply doesn't taste good on anything), then
JH> I'll grind him into crumbs and fry chicken with him.
JH> Chicken ala Jesus.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:29:54
EID:6909 203663a0
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20 Jan 96 01:42, Jose Gomez wrote to George Rudzinski:
JG> The wisdom of God is foolishness to men. May you catch what I have!!
AIDS?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: So -shoot- me!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 13:06:54
EID:675f 203668c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31038c12
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60df1391
21 Jan 96 01:43, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
JH>>> ....and Florida has really been pushing it's luck.
DW>> If Jesse doesn't come up with a new spiel for Easter,
DW>> Florida *will* be twitted. That "evil" and "empty" shit
DW>> was funny the first 300 times, but it is getting pretty
DW>> damned old.
JH> Don't forget Christian Miller and his sex-shop BBS.
Miller is just too damned entertaining to twit, at least for the present.
JH> Or 'The Raven' and his notion that vendetas are the
JH> way to protect his family.
TR seems to have vanished into that Great Bar Association in the Sky.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:41:12
EID:0191 20366520
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310385fe
18 Jan 96 16:35, Steve Quarrella wrote to Jim Staal:
JS>> Firing on all 8.
SQ> That's what bothers me...that you're going to go off and "fire on all
SQ> eight" people in a McDonalds somewhere.
What Jim doesn't tell us is that a man of his size and stature runs on one
of those new Dodge twelve cylinder engines.
JS>> Mind like a finely tuned Detroit behemouth...
SQ> Let me guess...your mind was a "Monday model," right?
It's a Gremlin.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:10:32
EID:ef0c 20366140
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31037f21
14 Jan 96 08:02, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
DW>> What bugs me is the sheer egotism in Christian's above statement
DW>> (and it has been made by *many* of his fellow brain-dead
DW>> grovelers). Do they imagine that people who don't believe in
DW>> their God live wonderfully blissful lives, never having to endure
DW>> the "low points"?
AS> Funny. Fred Rice told me that he had NEVER felt despair.
For one thing, you shouldn't take Fred so seriously.
Have you ever considered the fact that his definition of despair might differ
from yours? Most of the sob stories I've heard from Christians do not fall
under my definition of despair.
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|From: Jeff Culbreath
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: America's Teacher
|Date: 20 Jan 96 20:59:20
EID:aeab 2034a760
> Last year I subbed a math class, i.e., I warmed the
> deskchair while the kids did busywork problems from a handout.
YOU are a teacher of children? Good heavens. No wonder we've got problems.
Jeff
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Satanic Curse Update
|Date: 22 Jan 96 17:53:29
EID:f866 20368ea0
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Jose Gomez said "Satanic Curse Update" to George Rudzinski, and added:
JG> The wisdom of God is foolishness to men. May you catch what I have!!
At least god, were he ever to post here, would have the
wit to QUOTE whatever it was that he was responding to, a
feat beyond the powers of many who imagine gods to exist. So
far as catching what you have, you will find the appropriate
naughty bits echos on Christian Miller's BBS. Personally, I
don't go in for that sort of thing.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
... don.martin@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org or don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Judgment
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:57:13
EID:1d90 20369f20
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REPLY: 1:271/460 3101d56a
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
KM> "Which cult did you join, Ken?". In case
KM> you don't know, that means that I did not join any cult.
KM> Kenneth Mcabee
You are a jeezoid...you joined a cult. End of story. End of life.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Send in your WAV!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:42:00
EID:020d 20365d40
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 30 Dec 95 01:21pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Steve Quarrella:
FR> Get your priorities straight, man! Get rid of the wife!
I'm sorry, Fred...I'm afraid I can't do that.
sq> The best I can hope to do is have a yearly "big buy." :)
FR> Can't you sneak the expense in some how like, oh, I dunno, saying the
FR> car needs a new water pump? (Evil, yes, I know. Jesse's right.)
Why are you attributing to me the same malignant behaviour that you would
attribute to some of the liars for Jesus whom we have here? :) Given that
I'm on a break-neck pace right now to get my Mickeysoft certification, I
should have a few more dollars with which to play by the end of the year.
:)
sq> Of course, if you want to -donate,- instructions on
sq> how to do so are on my board.
FR> But who will donate a 1.6 gigger to _me_?!
I'm sorry...I'm not programmed to respond in that area.
... Revenge is a dish best served cold. -- Vito Corleone
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Jealous God
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:25:52
EID:adce 20366320
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 5 Jan 96 06:13pm, Dan Ceppa wrote to Steve Quarrella:
JJ> Dan, I think you should know that Steve Quarella is posting
JJ> messages using your name, to try to make you look stupid.
SQ> Being cutesy and attempting to insult him (or me, for that matter)
DC> I see that you noticed that.
When shit stinks, you DO tend to become aware of it.
SQ> Is Jesus proud of you right now? Would you like to try again?
... Barbara Eden's navel: (ú)
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:27:32
EID:edef 20366360
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 5 Jan 96 03:59pm, Judith Bandsma wrote to Steve Quarrella:
SQ> Do you want to know the best part of it? He's going to come back next
SQ> Thanksgiving and/or Christmas and reaffirm the SAME BULLSHIT, and
JB> I think maybe next year I may try to talk Leo into going (or letting
me
JB> go...in the sense of him paying for it, not giving me permission) to
JB> Holland from right before Thanksgiving till right after New Year's.
And
JB> I'll get you to only put my personal mail on vacation status.
Not a problem...I do that for Leipzig, and David Rice uses the vacation
saver
to have his mail packet ready so that he doesn't have to wait for it to
be
bundled when he logs in.
JB> That way,
JB> if Jesse does do it, he'll have to address it to me personally if he
JB> wants me to see it. And I just may can an answer that can be uploaded
JB> by a friend.
Fred Rice and I are coordinating the archiving of certain individuals on
HOLYSMOKE. We're a bit tired of the lies by these individuals where they
make
a claim and then deny it several months later.
... Hector Santos: One-man Operation
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:24:02
EID:6802 20366300
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 3 Jan 96 04:48pm, Robert Jackson wrote to Steve Quarrella:
RJ> When did they start amassing the genealogical databases, as
RJ> well as whatever other info they store in the "temples"?
Good question...drop my wife Suzy a netmail and see if she knows.
RJ> They definitely took a cue from the Catholic Church when it
RJ> comes to controlling information.
They are alleged to have archives that are comparable to those which the
Vatican
have. The shit really hit the fan a few years ago when it slipped out that
they keep files on "problem members," but they refused to talk about it.
RJ> Something they've been discussing on the WRITING echo recently
RJ> is the genre of "cyberpunk", discussing the elements that define
RJ> the genre, etc. Of vital importance is the pervasive element
RJ> of faceless megacorporations who control the flow of
RJ> information.
I'll be curious to see what becomes of Microsoft before I fall
off the
planet.
... When you say "Budweiser," you said it all!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian criminals
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:35:14
EID:b674 20367460
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
While claiming that Carl Sagan is a Creationist, Fredric Rice wrote:
FR> Did you see the other fuck ask me, "how do you know they were
FR> innocent?" on the subject of his cult murdering millions over the
I have a problem with those who refuse to offer evidence asking for evidence
themselves.
FR> Yep. I think HolySmoke heathens have reached something of a concensus
FR> on _why_ fundydom is "evil."
I don't know that I'd call it "evil," but the thought of "being saved" goes
right up there with the thought of losing all my marbles and becoming senile.
Neither are very appealing.
FR> And I suspect most 'Smokers don't include
FR> honest Christianity in with the lunatic fringe that we get here.
I don't, but the honest Christians are not the majority here.
sq> Indeed..."You look JUST LIKE the last guy who came through here."
FR> Right down to the hate rhetoric against fags.
Hey...THEY don't hate fags. GOD hates fags. They're just telling you what
the Bible says. God hates fags so much that he'll send them to Hell for
being
fags. :-/
sq> My wife and I were watching a talk show one night where there
sq> were a couple of Roman Catholic priests who advocated the
sq> assassination of abortion providers. One of the issues that
sq> came up was "What does the Pope think about this?" Why, the
sq> roaring silence, of course!
FR> Didn't either of them state that the Pope doesn't speak for all
FR> Catholics?
Making such a claim will most likely get the priest into trouble, especially
if the current "no bullshit" pontiff is advised that it's a potential PR
problem. In any event, I don't recall that such a claim was made by these
two priests. Frankly, I'm sorry I didn't save the talk show in question.
... The world is like a cactus except the pricks are inside.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: HolySmoke
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:38:10
EID:7089 203674c0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 01:27pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Steve Quarrella:
>>> 2. This is a family oriented BBS, please do not use profane language
sq> "We address the issues involved with MAKING families. "
"And we also address the issues involved with making families, but using
someone else's wife."
FR> Translation: The moderator doesn't abide by near fascist censorship
FR> rules.
sq> "So why do you carry it?"
FR> "To combat this evil."
"To adopt a smug pose and make many people laugh" is the -correct- answer.
>>> Because of this the enemy runs rampant there.
Isn't this a howl? Look, Fred! I'm "the enemy!" I wonder what Jesus thinks
of this.
sq> 2) He's a Christian hypocrite who was caught quite possibly
sq> with his pants down. Now that the adult areas on his board
sq> have been seen, he has had to hide them from public view (you
sq> KNOW they're still there) and adopt a repentant guise.
My money's on this one, with a bit of the faux smug attitude I described
in
option #1.
... Does Windows NT come with a hard drive?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:40:10
EID:c566 20367500
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 7 Jan 96 02:02pm, Fredric Rice wrote to Jesse Jones:
FR> Then again, you're trying to pretend that the religiously ignorant
FR> deserve respect. You don't. You must earn it.
jcj> IOW, you agree 100% with what I said. Anyone here confessing
jcj> religious faith will be treated with gross disrespect.
Indeed...Mr. Jones is currently treating the neopagans with "gross disrespect."
"A miracle! A miracle!"
FR> No, Jesse, you ignorant cultist, what I said was that the religiously
FR> ignorant must _earn_ any respect they wish to have.
FR> Have you convieniently forgotten Derek Maddox?
Before his time, Fred.
... Excuse me...Just Xpressing myself!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:46:36
EID:1808 203675c0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 8 Jan 96 11:18am, Jim Staal wrote to Fredric Rice:
JS> May I suggest 'Blue Wave' for your offline reader? You will no longer
JS> have that problem as it does it for you.
Bite me! I'm already working on him with Silver Xpress, but Fred's
not
an OLR type of guy.
... What is OS/2 in Spanish - dos DOS?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Moderate wisdom?
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:47:58
EID:dfd2 203675e0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 9 Jan 96 06:19am, Jesse Jones wrote to Styx Allum:
SA>±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û
SA>±±±±±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±Û
SA>±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ßß ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ßß
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Ü ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Ü
SA> ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß ßß
SA>±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û
SA>±±±±±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û
SA>±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ßß ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ßß
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±Ü ±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±Ü
SA> ßß ßß ßßßßßß ßß ßß ßß ßßßßßß ßß
SA>±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Ü ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûßßßß ±±Û ±±Û ±±Û ±±Ûßßßß ±±Û
SA>±±±±±±Û ±±±±±Ü ±±Û ±±±±±±Û ±±±±±Ü ±±Û
SA>±±Ûß±±Û ±±Ûßßß ßß ±±Ûß±±Û ±±Ûßßß ßß
SA>±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü ±±Û ±±Û ±±±±±±Ü ±±Ü
SA> ßß ßß ßßßßßß ßß ßß ßß ßßßßßß ßß
JJ> More profound wisdom from our esteemed Moderator.
And how is this any different from yours?
JJ> Enjoy watching the Religious Right take the G.O.P. right down the tubes.
So what are you doing to combat that particular evil?
... No Special Rights for Make Believe!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: New Age Pagans
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:51:10
EID:6171 20367e60
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 06:21am, Jesse Jones wrote to Dan A. Post:
JJ> Dan, the closest I have to personal knowledge of such people or
JJ> groups is here in this Conference. So I am in no position to argue
JJ> those particulars.
So you do you allege that we "heathens" have devised the neopagan religions
to get under your skin?
Christmas trees, Jesse. -Christmas trees.-
... The 'c' in rap is silent.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Flaming asshole
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:53:40
EID:eeb0 20367ea0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 06:21am, Jesse Jones wrote to Robert Jackson:
JJ> I gather, then, that contrary to your original taunt, you are
JJ> incapable or unwilling (or both) to show me an in-depth logical
JJ> argument.
We figured that out about you a long time ago, but we STILL attempt to make
contact and get a carrier. -Try.-
... "Hello, Dr Chandra. Have you heard the word of God today?" - unknown
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:05:12
EID:70c3 203680a0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 03:30pm, Ryan Shaw wrote to Shelby Sherman:
RS> I saw a cool self-modified bumper sticker yesterday. The original
RS> might have read 'Jesus died for our sins'...this one just stated `Jesus
RS> died.' and was shorter than a normal bumper sticker.
That has become a tagline...
... Jesus died.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:04:18
EID:8958 20368080
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 10:15pm, Robert Jackson wrote to Jesse Jones:
JJ> Doesn't your fear say something very negative about this place?
JJ> I for one would be very receptive to hearing about those beliefs.
It
JJ> is a shame this cannot be a place to share those safely.
RJ> And I would posit she's actually more concerned with what
RJ> us evil atheist heathens would ask her about her deity beliefs
RJ> than any Christian on this echo. (If you're reading, Pooh,
What Jesse needs to figure out is why we generally -don't- ask her those
questions. Sorry, Jesse, it has NOTHING to do with the persecution you
so
badly desire. Try again. Think it might have something to do with Wiccans
NOT telling everybody how their deity loves them so much that he's going
to
damn them forever?
RJ> And if I'm right, then that's pretty damning against your theory
RJ> that atheists are the ones who created paganism just to gum
up
RJ> the works of your worldwide lockstep Christianity machine.
Why
RJ> would we want to rake our own "footsoldiers" over the
RJ> intellectual coals, do you suppose?
Because we heathens do foolish things to confound the wise, THAT'S WHY.
... I was kicked out of the Boy Scouts for eating a brownie.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:07:46
EID:f617 203680e0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 07:27am, Judith Bandsma wrote to Fredric Rice:
FR> It's funny, huh? Someone likes something a lot and they want to
FR> "share." Tell them FOR YEARS that you've tried it, didn't like it, no
"We've already heard the fucking word of God here!"
JB> The worst of it is that HE doesn't like blueberry yogurt either. The
JB> scene went like this (at least once a week for 15 years);
My mother and I have been through this one with seafood (which
she
detests) and eggplant (which I detest). "Come on, ma: Just try the shrimp.
It's GREAT." "Come on, Steve...try the eggplant. It's GREAT." I got the
point. :)
... Eagles soar, but weasels aren't sucked into jets!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: FORGIVENESS AVAILABLE
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:08:44
EID:f39f 20368100
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 17 Jan 96 09:47am, Judith Bandsma wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
JB> This is hilarious. Maybe I ought to untwit Staal if this is the level
of
JB> comedy he's sinking to. Naaah! The other stuff isn't worth it.
Are you filtering him out of those big mail packets you've been downloading
from my system? :)
... "Hello, Dr Chandra. Have you heard the word of God today?" - unknown
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Book 'em, Dano.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:17:44
EID:5da3 20368220
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 18 Jan 96 10:09am, Marty Leipzig wrote to Steve Quarrella:
ML> Thanks. What did you think of the newspapers and the .tifs?
I'll get your disks out when I can...sorry about that. Life has become
-hectic- around these parts. :-/ The newspapers were neat, although I can't
read them. Haven't looked at the TIFFs.
ML> Want a KGB watch?
SQ> If you've got one to spare. :)
ML> I will when I get back in March.
That would be great! I can wear an EVIL WATCH! EVIL!
ML> I took a series of flicks to Russia with me last time...the
ML> Russains liked "Terminator 2" and "2001"; but they absolutely
2001 is a favourite. As you might have guessed, I just watched it again
recently -- I hadn't seen it since the early 80s -- and this time managed
to
sit down and read all three books. Great stuff. Did you notice that Arthur
C. Clarke was the US President on the cover of TIME in 2010? :)
ML> LOVED "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". We're sitting around
ML> the den watching the thing (most all the Russians in the office
ML> also speak great English) and tilting a few. When Sir Robin
ML> scampers off, Sergei leans over to Yuri and says "Look. Just
ML> like you when you were supposed to go to Minsk!" Minsk is a
"Oh, let's just kill him. RIGHT!"
... This Tag line is Stolen.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Metafundy redux
|Date: 22 Jan 96 16:18:46
EID:77d7 20368240
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 18 Jan 96 08:41pm, Martin Goldberg wrote to Marty Leipzig:
MG> I boycott all those bastards because they don't have any decent movies.
MG> Although I did get a copy of "Elmer Gantry" once. Just for the hell
of
MG> it.
Shit, I've been trying to find a copy of "Son of Frankenstein" to rent for
AGES now...I really don't want to cough up $15 for a movie that I'll watch
just
once. (Instead, the $15 will be better spent on "Bride of the Monster."
:)
... Let me guess...you wear a tricorn hat because of the fit.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:53:30
EID:db95 20365ea0
PID: SX 4.3 BT026
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
On 3 Jan 96 12:10pm, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Jesse Jones:
JJ> I think all of that is largely true. And I think most of the
JJ> nonbelievers here simply have no clue what a big hole in their lives
JJ> they are leaving by discarding the Christian faith, and are discarding
JJ> that faith for grossly inadequate reasons.
But can we get him to elaborate about this "hole?" Can we get him to discuss
these "grossly inadequate reasons?" Hell no...he simply sticks his head
in
the sand and reaffirms his position from time to time, wondering why we
laugh
at him when he does it.
LB> Jesse! The Moslems think you have a big hole in your life by
LB> "discarding" the Moslem faith. The Buddhists think you have a big hole
LB> in your life by "discarding" Buddhist teachings. The Jews most
LB> CERTAINLY think you have a big hole in your life by misunderstanding
LB> half their faith, and utterly discarding the rest.
But uh, that's uh, different. Somehow...I think. The funny thing
is
to watch Jesse adopt a very patronizing stance towards these faiths, and
my
guess is that he's concerned that there are a large number of practitioners
of
these faiths who may come out of the woodwork to tell him that he's full
of
shit. Therefore, he "respects" them. As he has no experience with Wiccans,
he derides them and tries to make them out to be some sort of heathen
conspiracy.
LB> harmony they see between humans and the rest of nature. Do ANY of
LB> their opinions bring you one whit closer to embracing their faith?
If
Will you stop asking him these hurtful questions?
JJ> I am not aware of any pagan tradition which has survived
JJ> through the ages.
Ow ow ow! How many people have
jumped
him about that tree he erected for Christmas?
JJ> people. I see it just as a construct by atheists.
I can't wait until he attempts to deny this.
LB> "There are no sincere Pagans, because I don't believe in 'em." That's
LB> convenient -- refuse to see they are there, so you can run roughshod
LB> over their beliefs.
So what kind of apologetics has he offered for this?
LB> should treat them with respect. You don't like it when someone
LB> questions your own sincerity -- where do you get off deciding an entire
LB> group of people are without sincerity??
Will you stop asking those hurtful questions already?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows all...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:43:56
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20 Jan 96, dixit Jim Staal ad Marty Leipzig:
JS> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS> time with people like that'?
Why, "to combat the evil," of course!
... MobyTurbo: A whale even the cops can't catch.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Help Free Jesse Jones!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:51:02
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18 Jan 96, dixit David Worrell ad Steve Quarrella:
RJ>> As a Pentecostal minister once told me, over a fifth of mezcal
RJ>> and a few amps of ketamine, "Any good dominatrix worth her
RJ>> $500 an hour doesn't let you have sex when it's over. She'll
RJ>> make you shoot the wad in your hand or on your leg--and if you
RJ>> get any on the floor, you can expect a lick of the cat-o'-nines
RJ>> across the nuts."
SQ> Can you verify this?
Of course he CAN, but he WON'T.
DW> plunges into the Sun!!!>
DW> I hope he *can't*. I'd hate to think lawyers were breeding.
Who says that you breed when you're involved with a domme? You may -bleed,-
but you won't -breed.- :)
... Jesus couldn't get into college because he got hung up on his boards.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Help Free Jesse Jones!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:01:36
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21 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ> He's beyond help, as he "will not answer." Still, one of these days
a
SQ> missile will get through the protective dome, and we'll have Fundy
SQ> Meltdown (tm).
RJ> You have the patience of Job, sir.
Call it optimism.
RJ> ... Avert your eyes, children! He may take on other forms!
SQ> ROFL! From what is THAT?!
RJ> Episode of "The Simpsons" where Bart gets expelled, and
Oh man, I just got my first exposure to the Flanders family on the Simpsons
last night (I watch occasionally, as you can tell). This was the episode
where Bart, Lisa, and Maggie went to live with the Fundy family next door,
and Homer had to save them from being baptized. ROFL!
RJ> I'm sure there are plenty of people who watch the show
RJ> and think "Well now, that's just a ridiculous
RJ> stereotype" when they get all nice and sacrilegious
RJ> like that. But as we inveterate 'Smokers know--"It's
RJ> twue! It's twue!"
Did you see that bit from the TV echo I forwarded, where two people were
getting indignant about their Saviour's being put down?
... What's all this about firing the handicapped?
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Help Free Jesse Jones!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:02:00
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21 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ> could quote back at HIM. One of my favourites is Cadalso's "Eruditos
a
SQ> la violeta," which mocks overnight scholars at great lengths.
RJ> And Frater Staalius says, "Qui?"
Please! One language at a time!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:03:06
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21 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
RJ> I've found even that won't do it--when I try to give
RJ> him an in-depth summary of Phenomenology 099, he just
RJ> doesn't want to try debating each point. I mean, why not?
Because it's hateful. It's evil. "Both, neither...hell, Jim, I don't know."
RJ> not? Isn't one of the beauties of logical argument
RJ> that the arguments are fal- sifiable? Why doesn't he
RJ> give it the old college try?
He went to the same college I did...that scares me. :) [Yes, I have my
ID...I can PROVE it. ]
... "De los sos ojos tan fuertemientre lorando...."
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 22 Jan 96 21:05:34
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21 Jan 96, dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ> And what hole is that, Jesse?
RJ> Yeah, what hole is that?
"I'm just trying to find the bridge...can anybody find the bridge?"
JJ> and are discarding that faith for grossly inadequate reasons.
SQ> And which grossly inadequate reasons are those, Jesse?
RJ> Yeah, what are they?
"Tell him we've already got some!"
JJ> Frankly, I've not known or even known of anyone who
JJ> genuinely embraced paganism, other than as some spiritual experiment.
I
I can't WAIT until he denies this. I'm going to hit him so hard with the
post in question that the state of Florida will pass out.
SQ> You might want to stick your head in the sand in the direction of Gwen
SQ> Todd, Sean McCullough, or Kelli Bradley (aka Starwyn). Or are you
SQ> going to dictate that they're not "true pagans?"
RJ>
"That is a stupid question...I will not answer."
JJ> am not aware of any pagan tradition which has survived through the ages.
SQ> How about that Christmas tree you erected in December? How about
SQ> "Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday?"
SQ> How about that wedding ring you're wearing? Are you going to tell me
SQ> that you never studied the Germanic "thing" in the course of your legal
SQ> studies?
RJ> GUFFAW!!
I think we have a successor to "Corn Flakes," folks. "Christmas Trees."
JJ> If there were such people, I would be concerned not to offend their
JJ> traditions. But I don't believe there are such people. I see it just
JJ> as a construct by atheists.
SQ> What did you once call it? "A device of your own cunning?" Something
RJ> "...a blasphemous tool of your cunning."
Aha. Just so.
... I love oral sex, but it's the phone bill I hate.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Jesse ignores unauthorized questions
|Date: 22 Jan 96 20:49:56
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30 Dec 95, dixit Fredric Rice ad Steve Quarrella:
sq> What? No reply to her question? Your whining about "Why
sq> do heathens celebrate Christmas?" seemed to imply to me
sq> that you want "heathens" to leave "your" holiday alone.
FR> "Why is Veger not responding?"
Because Vejur doesn't WANT to join with "The Creator." This particular
Vejur
is looking for the same thing that the other was trying to find...anybody
want to rig up a Walkman and play Decker-Unit?
FR> Her question was unauthorized. Why, if Jesse were to answer
FR> that he might be expected to answer other embarrassing
FR> questions. Like where his deities came from.
I'd rather he carry on about that instead of telling others that they are
as afflicted as he is. :-/
sq> It has been made abundantly clear to you that "your" holiday
sq> is merely the current incarnation of a much older festival,
sq> and that any neat "reason for the season" jingles that you
sq> can devise are risable.
FR> "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"
YAHDIYAHDIYAHDI!
jcj> But I will not abandon the celebration of the Birth of
jcj> Christ just because some cunning Middle-Aged monk decided
jcj> to place it at a time already considered festive.
FR>
You can just see the foot being stamped. I tell you, if we play our cards
right, we can milk entertainment out of this one until March or April. :)
... Lineae alterae meae in lingua Anglicana sunt
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Al Schrodinger and his puppies
|Date: 22 Jan 96 20:51:18
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30 Dec 95, dixit Fredric Rice ad Steve Quarrella:
FR> I will admit that Al has _potential_ as a Christian worthy of
FR> some respect, by the way.
He has MINE. He's not telling me how empty I am or how, if I kill myself,
I'm violating someone's rights. He just needs to remember the BBS password
that he forgot today (Hi, Al! I saw you. :).
... Born *again*? Gee, I thought I got it right the FIRST time. -SLR
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:39:16
EID:3b61 20365ce0
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RJ> I refuse to go to hell. Who's gonna make me?
We know one thing: Asmodeus isn't up to the job.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 22 Jan 96 11:59:34
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JH>> Of course, the more "interesting" areas are empty; but
JH>> their very presence on a "Christian" BBS reflects directly
JH>> on just what sort of character Mr. Miller actually is.
SW> Are you an ordained judge J.J.?
Ye shall know them by their works, bub.
SW> It says in the Bible, "Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to
SW> the test."
Let's look at the results:
Total number of areas: 39 including netmail.
Sexualy oriented areas: At least 14.
Areas about guns: 3
Areas about cars: 3
Areas about alcohol: 2
Religious areas: 2 (includes HolySmoke)
"Christian" areas: ONE
The evidence speaks for itself: pussy, guns, cars and booze are
all more popular than Jesus is, even on a "Christian BBS".
HolySmoke is more popular than Jesus.
SW> From your above printout it would seem that the "adult"
SW> message area's have been shut down. Many of the bbs's I call
SW> have sigs in the message base that have been turned off.
How do you think they got there in the first place?
I've yet to see the BBS software that has "S&M" and "Maried,
Will Cheat" as default areas.
I repeat:
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
SW> Do you really get your kicks trying to mock Christ and His
SW> church?
We ain't talking about Jesus's BBS. It's Christian Miller's.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: invitations
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:26:32
EID:f5e3 20366340
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f2251a
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 890B4879
MH> I invite you to come to worship with the wife and me at
MH> Christ United Methodist Church, 6101 Grelot Rd., Mobile,
MH> Ala. 9:15 a.m. any Sunday. My wife's the choir member in a
MH> wheelchair. Find her and you'll find me.
Is this the place with the pastor you found on a street corner
with the "Will Preach For Food" sign?
It just might be worth the trip.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 22 Jan 96 17:20:16
EID:020b 20368a80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f4ffd6
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb55a
DW> If they felt the need, I'm sure they'd find a way. As yet,
DW> though, there's not real need since so many people are
DW> enamoured of cellular phones. You can eavesdrop on those
DW> things with a $100 scanner from Radio Shack.
Not quite. Radio Shack has NEVER sold a scanner that could (as sold
off the shelf) receive cell phones. What they did do for a number of
years is sell scanners that could EASILY be modified by either the
removal or addition of one or two parts. I own two such scanners, in
both cases the modification consisted of clipping a single diode.
Bearcat, on the other hand, sold several models that could receive
cell phones without modification.
However, in 1994 the Congress outlawed the manufacture or import of
such "easily modified" receivers. Vendors were allowed to sell off
stock on hand.
DW> (You don't even really need that - just a directional antenna
DW> and a frequency dial.)
Um... shouldn't there be some sort of electronics connected to that
dial? The directional antenna is totally unnecessary. One of the
reasons the 800mHz band was selected for cell-phones is due to the
rather non-directional propagation of those frequencies. They bounce
around like ping-pong balls in heat. That's what allows you to use
cell-phones in locations like parking garages or between tall
buildings.
The move to a digital format for cell phones wont eliminate
eavesdropping either. It'll simply force the listeners to move
from consumer electronics to industrial test equipment and service
monitors. It'll be more expensive, but not out of range of the cops,
private investigators or even the gung ho hobbyist.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 22 Jan 96 17:43:46
EID:8d72 20368d60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f52bab
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 4c939073
KW> I get that from a very old friend who's gone Mormon. When
KW> I asked her about -Secret Ceremonies- she flatly denied that
KW> any such thing could have happened, [...]
I wish I knew what she meant by "any such thing". There's nothing
really earth shattering in Laake's book. Everything she wrote that
directly involved the Mormons has been in print before from a
number of sources. (In fact, Secret Ceremonies will be a real
disappointment for anyone who reads it expecting her to go into
great detail about the rites, she doesn't.)
By "any such thing" is your friend denying that Deborah Laake
- had to wear magic underware?
- masturbated?
- was married to a jerk?
- recycled used condoms?
- found Mormon bishops to be pompous, insensitive and dimwitted?
- that she had a breakdown?
- was harrassed for going public about her experiences?
- met a woman in Washington DC who thought she was a horse?
(I have to admit that I had a few problems with the horse lady
myself.)
But, I'm waxing rhetorically. I'm sure your associate hasn't read
Secret Ceremonies and is only parroting what she has been told to
say when the subject of the book is brought up.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Jesus Christ
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:06:34
EID:cfc5 203690c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f54013
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fc2084
JG>> Why don't you stop being so shortsighted and close-minded
JG>> and ask Him if He's real...ASK JESUS!!
DW> Ok. "Jesus! Hey, Jesus! Are you real?"
Si, se¤or.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: All
|Sub: From the archives - an oldie
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:50:14
EID:4602 20369640
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f5a5ad
Jesus Loves You - Kill Yourself
The humiliation and joyless vapidity of daily existence, where
life is only survival is part of the necessary suffering, in
accord with His plan, that will cleanse your soul for the after
life to come.
So, brothers and sisters of the Cross; you who have accepted the
Lord Jesus Christ into your hears, who have forgiven your
trespassers, and who regard the daily plate of shit as the Holy
Sacrament of Fate - give that final testimony of Faith and
Leap for the Lord
[Graphic: map of San Francisco area. An arrow labeled
"point of departure" points to the Golden Gate Bridge.]
Come, Children of God, to the Golden Gate Bridge, Sunday, October
8th, 1972, 6 AM to the first annual Meet-Your-Maker Marathon and
punctuate your life of rigorous devotion and conscientious self-
denial with the supreme sacrifice:
Jump for Jesus!
(With regard to those sociopathic heretics who feel that boredom
isn't the Will of God, but the necessary product of a society in
which time is money; who say that it's the commodity economy, and
its capitalist pimps (forgive them Jesus!), that reduces men and
women to mere objects in the order of things, and who have not yet
recognized the impossibility of changing life on earth; they might
be better off writing to those God-less malcontents at NEGATION
(P.O. Box 1213, Berkeley, CA 94701) to discuss such blasphemous
matters.)
So as to dispel any unintended illusions let us, as a great
Christian once said, make a few things perfectly clear:
It's not because we fear our own freedom that we'll submit to any
degradation and to the authorities who enforce it, but because it
is only in the acceptance of out destiny that any freedom can be
found.
The amoral advocates of unbridled passion and world revolution are
just hellbound hedonists who don't know that self-less
renunciation is the only path to heavenly bliss. They say that our
movement for spiritual rediscovery is an "emotional plague" that
infects those whose daily squalor and anaemic will-to-live has
made them despair about ever changing life. But how can it be:
it's our only hope! Furthermore, let us rectify once and for all
that Satanic Untruth that the religious excitation we get from
being close to Jesus is only a sublimation of our repressed
sexuality. After all, every good Christian knows that genitals are
TOOLS OF THE DEVIL and that orgasms are just disgusting SEIZURES
OF SIN experienced by those into whom the love of God has not
penetrated. And when the atheistic anarchists of today's wayward
youth say that God only represents the projected image and
repository of man's own alienated powers, the supreme but
suppressed possibilities of people themselves, they mouth an
irredeemable sacrilege.
For those who do know the Lord, the Kingdom of Heaven awaits for
you. You owe Him at least your life. So don't forget to join your
enlightened brethren October 8th for the Big Baptism In The Bay.
See you there!
Power to the Passive!!
Central Committee
Christian World Liberation Front
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Chango
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: LET'S RUMBLE!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:10:44
EID:0dea 20369940
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f5d5b7
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89074BA6
This Awareness indicates that these craft were and still are being used
by the Greys; that the use of these cigar-shaped crafts, particularly at
that time, were used for different purposes, including cattle mutilation
and the experiments that were associated with the genetic engineering projects.
The abduction of cattle and the meat processing plant in the cigar-shaped
UFOs is an indication that these craft belonged to lower forms of extraterrestrials,
not of the more highly evolved types, such as the Pleiadians and Vegans.
Therefore, this Awareness warned entities to avoid contact with these aliens
using the cigar-shaped craft.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: new kid...
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:13:52
EID:badc 203699a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f5df18
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 890C0E34
JS>> I have only one master, Dave and He is God in the person of
JS>> Jesus Christ.
DC> So, Dave is Jesus Christ and you are arguing with him.
Fuck! I've got to stop filtering Staaled out.
I obviously missed a good one.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: JEROMY ALEXANDER
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:17:42
EID:25b5 20369a20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f5e677
JA> My favorite verse in the bible is GEN 9:3.
JA> Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even
JA> the GREEN HERB I have given to you.
JA> I interpet that as God saying its ok to smoke weed...
But do you smoke sausage?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:25:12
EID:ef8d 20369b20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f60adf
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30fc80ec
LB> After that, I brought in a calculator in order to be ready if
LB> the power should go out again, but they couldn't even catch on
LB> to the proper formula for computing tax WITH a calculator.
One of my favorite pet peeves is percent keys on calculators.
There's no standard on how they work from one calculator to
the next. And most people are AT BEST flakey on the concept of
how to manipulate percentages.
I find it easier to move the decimal two places to the left, BACK
WHERE IT BELONGS, and treat it as a ratio.
My supervisor at work has never figured out why I MULTIPLY by 1.05
in order to add 5 percent. She's convinced that there should be an
addition in there somewhere, not a multiplication. (There is, but I
don't need to key in 0.5 + 1 to know what the answer is going to
be.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 22 Jan 96 22:51:18
EID:9bf1 2036b660
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f7dbf9
REPLY: 1:250/1004 088401de
BH> Well we Natives have been talking to the animals for a few
BH> thousand years [...]
Ahhh.... no wonder you never invented the wheel or writing.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Re: An interesting discourse - Part 0
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:18:06
EID:18a0 2036ba40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f82291
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf848
JH>> The following crosspost (which I readily admit is
JH>> ponderously long) [...]
GR> Which is why man created Jesus. It allows me to say, "Oh
GR> Christ, not another one."
hehehe... I admit I was pushing new limits with that monster.
As Prewett would say: "Opinion noted".
JH>> The author states at one point that his church thinks he
JH>> is a "nut-case". (And when you're too wacky for the LDS,
JH>> you're really wacky.)
GR> Time to create another church. Nice thing about fundies.
GR> They fragment so easily.
It occured to me that I need to start a Doomsday Cult. I'll
claim the world is comeing to an end sometime AFTER 2001.
What with all the cults claiming the end is going to happen
at the turn of the century, I'll be able to pick up all their
fallout when nothing happens.
Of course, eventually even MY date will roll around, but I'll
have taken the money and run with it by then.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: maria russel in the new_world_order echo
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:33:28
EID:abe1 2036bc20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f846af
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 0fd62501
On Jan 17 15:57 96, Ryan Shaw of 1:152/67 wrote:
RS> She's in the new_world_order echo. Perhaps someone would
RS> like to heckle her there? :p
I'm going to request the echo today.
But I doubt I'll be doing anything more than lurking.
I have to wonder how much longer it's going to be before these
nutballs just come out and start a KKK or WHITE_POWER echo,
instead of hiding behind their usual veneer of
religious/conspiracy/patriotic/UFO/spiritual "issues".
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 23 Jan 96 00:07:06
EID:c025 203700e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f8983f
MG>> And you wash this down with bourbon?
JH>> Heavens, no!
JH>> When I was drinking, I was a drunk.
JH>> But I wasn't a fucking degenerate.
ML> But you drank scotch?
Actually, I DID have a bourbon period. Back when I was in High
School (and was I ever). And had a blended whiskey period as well.
Never saw the point in Scotch. No point in buying an imported
product when I could buy 'Merkin.
But in the last five to ten years of my drinking career, when I
drank liquor (I was primarily a beer drinker), it would be rum.
All whiskeys, regardless of their heritage, tasted like burnt
wood to me.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 23 Jan 96 00:14:44
EID:3964 203701c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f8a36e
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 098f0145
>> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent
>> history being assassinated.
SM> John Paul II, by assassin Mehmet Ali Agca.
SM> Remember, one needn't die to have been assassinated. ANY
SM> attack from an assassin suffices.
Not by my dictionary. It explicitly says ya gotta murder the target.
Otherwise you're just an Attempted Assassin.
(Which is to say: Half-Ass'd)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Evolungelic
|Date: 23 Jan 96 00:35:04
EID:7b7d 20370460
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f8d2b8
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 890B487A
DR>> This paragraph makes no sense. Are you saying aliens are
DR>> responsible for life on earth?
MH> No, he's saying that if scientists received signals from space
MH> with an order and complexity even approaching what is in DNA,
MH> they'd herald it as strong evidence of intelligent life.
If scientists received signals from space with an order and
complexity even approaching what is in _I_Love_Lucy_ they'd
herald it as strong evidence of ...um... life.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: [fwd] Pro-life Real Agend
|Date: 23 Jan 96 02:36:56
EID:e76a 20371480
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60f9ec67
RS>> It did indeed state that. The problem was that there was
RS>> no `next message' in the packet.
JB> He's posted about 6 now that have 'continued to next
JB> message' on the bottom of them. So far, I have not seen ONE
JB> part 2...not to any of them. Do we have a new twist to
JB> Sheneism here?
Sounds like a graduate of the I_UFO School of Echo Journalism.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 23 Jan 96 02:51:38
EID:152e 20371660
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fa15ce
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe213
RJ> Talk about pissed off, but last week I went to what I
RJ> assumed to be a job interview, but it turned out to be one
RJ> of those pyramid scams--a company called Equinox which sells
RJ> environ- mentally conscious products. I sat through it
RJ> because I wanted to see if they'd slip and mention anything
RJ> that'd clue me in on what cult _really_ runs the operation.
RJ> Ever heard of 'em?
Did you snag any of their literature? Usually a look at the address
of the home office will tell you a lot. Sometimes, all you need to
know is the city (or the just the state, if the state happens to be
Utah). Other times it's helpful to use a CD-ROM phone directory and
take a look at who else has offices in the same building as their
street address.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: THE COMMANDERS DYING
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:05:54
EID:f940 203718a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fa37b9
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21c
RJ> What say? Y'think those goldfishbrains have forgotten who
RJ> we are by now? They still know and fear the Council, but
RJ> no doubt forgot who told them about it. It'd be the
RJ> biggest kick if all these new people showed up on the echo
RJ> to discuss what we, as members of the Blue Council, intend
RJ> for the world as of the year...1997. You and JJ up for some
RJ> heinous misdeedery?
Hell... with a whole year to work on it, why limit it to I_UFO?
Spread it across ALL the wacko echos.
If it really catches on, we might make the BIG TIME MEDIA, like
the Weekly World News. (I've got to get a "contributors kit" from
them one of these days.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Oya
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:12:10
EID:0bdc 20371980
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fa3d54
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89074BA7
Only the best for my dog.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Santic Curse - Past Due Notice
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:13:08
EID:c397 203719a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fa625d
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWELEVE of Satanic Curse Number One.
Nothing has happened.
You have ONE day left before your stated delivery date of
Satanic Curse Number Two.
I'm afraid that your performance in these matters has been
most unsatisfactory, falling far short of even our minimum
expectations. Unless there is an immediate and drastic
improvement in your efficacy we will be left with no option
other than to refer your account to a collection agency.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:50:22
EID:89c4 20371e40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fa9838
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 0a0e4666
>> SM> #ifndef "Judith Bandsma"
>> SM> {#include Judith Bandsma}
>> SM> #endif
>> Is this one of them thar wiccan spells, Sean??
SM> Actually, more like ANSI C....... :-)
Just goes to show that there aint nothing that cant be
fucked up by a little standardization.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Eleggua
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 03:54:24
EID:cb05 20371ec0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60faa0b5
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89074BA9
JG> Though there was so much power in magic and the occult, I
JG> have seen no power greater than that of my God.
Would he like a peanut?
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: RE: SATANIST
|Date: 23 Jan 96 04:13:24
EID:7fda 203721a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 60fadfdc
As>> I practise the sins in ways that harm no one who does not
As>> deserve it. So if someone has won my anger, and I rip him
As>> off, this is a good thing, for I get some cool shit and
As>> because of his/her loss s/he become hurt just a little.
AS> Congratulations. You have even sunk LOWER in my estimation.
AS> Hard to do.
And that without anyone even accusing him. He just comes out
of the complete blue and brags about being a thief in an
international echo.
That puts him even lower than Don Ward.
VERY VERY HARD to do.
But, on the bright side of all this: as long as Asomdeus sticks
around no one can accuse me of only harassing Christians.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: LARRY SITES
|Sub: FOF update
|Date: 19 Jan 96 23:24:00
EID:a6a4 2033bb00
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0996e833
> Before doing so, I used the fof area to sign up for their
> free print version of their magazine. Since doing so, it
> appears that they or aol sold or gave my name to other
> christian orgs as I have recieved free trial offers from
> both _Christian History_ and _Christianity Today_ mags,
> both of which are also on aol.
One tricky way to track mailing list sales... is to append
a code to your address which identifies (to you) which source
is distributing your name/address.
An example:
Styx Allum
CS Dept.
P.O. Box 5150
Eugene, OR 97405-0150
Note that the "CS Dept." refers to info provided to Computer Shopper
magazine. Whenever any new junk mail comes to that address, I know
precisely who leaked (i.e. sold) the information.
Be sure to try that with any source which promises NOT to distribute
the info, or that the "info will be kept strictly confidential".
Also, it may help to lie about your income if they ask which
"statistical" income bracket you belong in. I would venture to
guess that pre-approved credit cards, etc. would suddenly appear
in your mailbox soon thereafter.
> Also aol has sent me one of their free trial disks and TWO free
> trials for GNN, their internet service.
Isn't it nice of them to keep sending us free backup diskettes?
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 20 Jan 96 16:39:01
EID:455f 203484e0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0a106df5
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 30fda6a0
>LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
>DC>Are you done evaluating it? Or are you too stupid to
>DC>understand the concept?
> I happen to have gotten mine registered some months ago.
> However, the people who created this program have moved
> and left no address or way of contacting them. Sue and
> Doug Crocker shut down their BBS in Washington, left
> Microsoft and moved to some other State. Evidently
> Doug works for DataStorm now. Still, an unregistered
> user would not be able to register at this juncture.
I believe that it has been clearly demonstrated that Les wasn't
aware of the apparent difficulty in registration. Had he actually
attempted to register the software, he would have learned of what
you just mentioned. Since he didn't, that clearly indicates that
he's made no such attempt.
In short, Dan is perfectly justified in pointing out the hypocrisy
of Les' actions, in light of his proclaiming Christian ideologies.
Theft of services is stealing. Les is violating one of his precious
Christian commandments.
Personally, I don't really give a shit whether he bootlegs or not.
That's his own personal scene. What gripes me is the self-righteous
attitude of self-proclaimed Christians that don't practice what they
preach to others.
> * Hooked on Phonics worked phor me!!
New book on understanding oriental dialects: Hooked on phonemes.
--- Ah So .86
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: All
|Sub: HolySmoke IRC
|Date: 20 Jan 96 17:04:02
EID:865b 20348880
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0a106df6
I've really enjoyed chatting online with several of you in the
internet relay chat forum. I'd like to set aside a specific
date & time for a mega-meeting online, in which everyone can
coordinate their schedules to be online at the same time.
So far, I've chatted with the following 'smokers online:
Fred Rice
Lynda Bustilloz
David Worrell
David Rice
Kevin McKenzie
Quentin Fai
Questor Thews
There have been others popping in & out of the forum that I'm not
aware of who they actually were - I dunno whether they were fellow
holysmokers... or just passers by. In any event, it's a lotta fun
conversing online with those whom I've come to know through postings
done in this echo.
For those of you with internet access, I strongly recommend
checking into the holysmoke channel.
host site: undernet.org
port: 6667
channel: holysmoke
10pm Pacific seems to be a good time to check in. Results may vary.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:54:03
EID:2824 203696c0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0b12a870
REPLY: 1:280/9 09935ed5
>>RS> Would YOU vote for a fundamentalist?
>>
>SA> Yup. I have yet to see a politician that I consistently agree with
>SA> on all isues. Despite his fundamentalism, I feel that Newt Gingrich
>SA> is one of the finest politicians to grace the republican party.
>SA> I'm proud to have him as Speaker of the House of the United States.
> It's amazing how you can be so right about theology and so
> wrong about politics.
If people would stop succumbing to believing the liberalist media
in the same manner that fundies believe bible babblers, perhaps
they would learn the truth about Newt & Co.
I prefer to base my opinions on what I observe of Newt, rather
than to swallow the bullshit fed to everyone by the "news networks".
For better or for worse, at least Limbaugh shows people doing what
they actually do. Newscasters prefer to artfully "paraphrase"
instead of giving it to us verbatim.
Yeah... Limbaugh's a fundy, too; but he does a lot of good for those
who would otherwise have no voice in a predominantly liberalist
TV medium.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: EVOLUTION
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:33:06
EID:3225 20366420
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 103cab90
REPLY: 1:280/26 3202ac96
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Richard Morrison wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
[snip]
RM> (Continued next message...)
Yet another post of diatribe with the end cut off.
I assume your sources were mentioned in the next message in this chain?
For your information, there was no next message in the previous four megabytes
of mail that have gone through this machine. Perhaps you should consult
the doc's that came with your offline reader.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: George Pope
|Sub: Why?
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:43:56
EID:001b 20366560
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 103cab91
REPLY: 1:153/7083.0 13eec049
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
George Pope wrote in a message to Preston Simpson:
PS> GP> That's another problem I have with homosexuality, the only
PS> GP> real source
PS> GP> of new partners is converted/experimenting straights, since true
PS>Support this rotten tripe with evidence.
PS> GP> homosexuals can't propogate their gene (*IF* that's what it is.
I
PS> GP> don't agree.)
PS>Support this ludicrous claim with evidence.
GP> as far as your immature demands for evidence... forget[euphemized]
GP> you. Do your own damned research!
I'm amazed that such a bigot like you wouldn't realize that you are responsible
for the propogation of `homosexual genes'. It is you who makes homosexuals
uncomfortable being themselves, it is you who uses your rabid bigotry and
hate to place social pressure on such individuals. Because these individuals
feel such pressure [from bigots such as yourself] many of them marry and
produce offspring. More often than not, such unions result in disaster
because the homosexual in such a union is not being him/herself.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Neo-pagans
|Date: 22 Jan 96 13:06:40
EID:1ed6 203668c0
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 103cab92
REPLY: 1:135/71.0 23ee406f
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Jesse Jones wrote in a message to Katherine Wintersnight:
JJ> Please explain what you mean. How does Christianity
JJ> "politically control the masses" or "rob them blind"?
The very nature of organized religion [which includes religions in addition
to christianity] means that there is control involved. It's a way to control
people, be it convincing them that god would want them to tithe or anything
else.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 20 Jan 96 14:41:22
EID:7f59 20347520
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 10144cf1
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe240
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Robert Jackson wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
MG> A "molecule" of DNA does not exist, as it is a polymer tht is as long
MG> as needed. So there is no exact molecular weight or anything of that
RJ> Yeah, I sorta remembered it being like a polymer like
RJ> rubber, what with variable chain lengths. Simple animals
RJ> have shorter chains, and bigger ones, well you get the
RJ> idea.
Actually, that's not always true. I remember from one of Biology lectures
that several `simple' organisms [including flowering plants] had more combinations
of DNA pairs thatn humans do. You have to remember that not every series
of base pairs codes for a protein. A lot of it is just junk.
I would write up the table here for you, but it's been two years since I
took general microbiology and I have since changed my major to environmental
science. In other words, as a poor college student, I sold my book to someone.
Perhaps Glodbreg can clue us in.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: [2/2] Grace
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:29:40
EID:26c2 20347ba0
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 1014fbd1
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 30fc3794
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Ken Wiens wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS>In that case, could you furnish me with god's account
RS>numbers so that I can have the bill collectors take the
RS>money out of his account? Thanks in advance.
KW> God is not generally in the business of bailing out
KW> those who have a problem with financial management.
On the contrary, I have no problem with financial management. I pay for
my own roof, I pay for my own food, I pay for my own fun, and I'm currently
paying my own way through college.
I just thought it would be nice if god would pick up some of the bills.
That way, I wouldn't have to charge my trips up to British Columbia to partake
in climbing, xc skiing, and downhill skiing.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:37:08
EID:2256 20347ca0
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 1014fbd2
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 30fc36de
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Ken Wiens wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
KW> There is some good Christian Rock music
That is an oxymoron.
KW> Oh, and they serve no noodles in the lobby.
It must be false chapel scum then.
To think, a church without its noodles.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HS WEB PAGE
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:38:42
EID:18ee 20347cc0
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe20d
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Robert Jackson wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> If you want to try a safe sleeping aid, try melatonin. It's the
RS> hormone that your brain produces when your body senses night setting
RS> in. It causes you to sleep. When your body senses sunrise the amount
RS> of the hormone is reduced.
RJ> I've heard the stuff has been known to cause some
RJ> unpleasant side effects, e.g., death, in some people.
I read up on it before trying. I consulted various medical journals at
the university's science library, etc. There wasn't much there, but one
experiment caught my eye.
Melatonin levels in your body gradually decrease with age. This can be
illustrated by older folks going to bed quite early and rising early. They
never get much sleep during the night and then end up taking naps during
the day. On the other side of the coin, younger folks would rather sleep
all of the time.
The scientists in question had old and young mice on hand. They then transplanted
the gland that secretes melatonin from the old rats to the young rats and
visa versa. What they found was quite astonishing. The old rats lived
an average of 30% longer than normal, and the younger rats lived an average
of 30% less than normal.
I'm not saying that one can conclude that melatonin is an anti-aging drug,
but this experiment is very interesting to say the least. It can be found
in JAMA if you want to take a look at it. I don't remember when it was
published because I wasn't doing a research project on it, I was just wasting
time in the library reading medical journals.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 20 Jan 96 15:45:12
EID:e1df 20347da0
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 1014fbd4
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21a
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Robert Jackson wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
RJ> It's not just the fundies either. I've recently been
RJ> asking some of the pagan believers on the echo that sort of
RJ> question, but I can't get an answer without it being a
RJ> non-answer.
I think that's because most pagans are content with keeping their beliefs
to themselves. It's a religion, so there's no use in putting it up to scientific
scrutiny.
The christians could learn from this.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:07:00
EID:e1b8 203630e0
-=> Quoting Dick Holm to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
DH> If you look THAT good, why isn't your GIF plastered all over this
DH> echo?
It is. You just don't have FAITH enough to see it.
... "The Religious Right are a bunch of NUTS" - Barry Goldwater, 1994
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #33
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: DSS is at it again
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:13:00
EID:cdd0 203631a0
-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to All <=-
GTP> The fucking government is at it again. Here's a message I wrote to
GTP> someone in a PODS echo....I just copied it to save time.
Gwenny, contact Valery Frosty on Problem Child echo. She can probably put
you in touch with someone from VOCAL in your area. She's in CA, but has
contacts almost everywhere. She's just fought the CA version of DSS to a
standstill in spite of a gag order from the court. Like you, one VERY
pissed off lady who decided to not just sit back and take it. I have a
feeling she can help. Good luck.
... Tagline Deleted: Nothing funny about this shit.
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #33
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:34:00
EID:f2b8 20363440
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to John Prewett <=-
KW> John, dear, fuckingbodies are notorious for not seeing anything going
KW> on around them. Try it someday. You'll see.
I seriously doubt that the bears or moose will hold still long enough.
... Every woman needs 3 men: 1 for sex, 1 for money, and 1 for fun.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 22 Jan 96 06:52:00
EID:3d81 20363680
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Michael Hardy <=-
RS> out and discarded. At first I decided not to have her spayed, but
the
RS> first heat cycle had me convinced otherwise.
And the worst of it is that after that first one, cats can seem to come
into
heat anytime they want to. Congratulations on a wise (and sanity keeping)
decision.
I don't know what Mike will answer but it will probably be along the lines
of 'how many women go in for hysterectomies only to find out that they are
pregnant at the time of the surgery?' It's too bad that animal feti don't
have as much value as human in the research field.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:38:00
EID:f26f 20364cc0
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to David Worrell <=-
JH> It occurs to me that communion wafers have to come from
JH> somewhere. (I admit this isn't an incredibly brilliant
JH> observation.) Some place like a bakery. So, it stands
The boarding school I went to as a kid (I should say the FIRST one, as
there were several...I got kicked out a lot) was a Catholic one attached
to a convent. The nuns made the wafers themselves from specially consecrated
flour and oil. Jewish dietary laws had nothing on this setup. A full kitchen,
utensils, appliances and all, (called the SPK or 'special priest's kitchen')
that was used for nothing else. The only time we were even allowed past
the
door of that kitchen was to scrub the floors. We weren't even 'allowed'
to do
the dishes, clean pans, tables or stove. That had to be done by the nuns.
Unlike the refectory kitchen, where we got ALL the scutwork.
... A religion is a cult with an adequate army
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 22 Jan 96 08:38:00
EID:4cc5 203644c0
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Judith Bandsma <=-
JH> Robert is making a sly joke at the conspiracy theories that
JH> John Paul ONE was murdered.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
... "Die Jesu Domine, Domine Es Requium." (WHACK!). Repeat as necessary.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:39:00
EID:9694 20364ce0
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Ken Wiens <=-
LB> The ad Boni is quoting sounds like the job itself entails some sort
of
LB> Christian based counselling, so I can see where it's legitimate enough
When I first saw it, the ad struck me as saying 'you only need to agree
with OUR theology'. Too many times, the so-called christian 'counselors'
have no degrees in psychology, sociology or even education. (Most states
allow you to call yourself a 'counselor' with no education or training.)
Or,
if they do ask for training of some sort, it is in biblical interpretation
and not in what would REALLY be best for developmentally disabled persons.
Too many of these homes are warehouses for the unwanted, where they are
not
taught life and coping skills, but are harangued about how god wants them
to be.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #33
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal continues to deny h
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:18:00
EID:0831 20364a40
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> Provided I know it's on my system.
Speaking of your system. (None of my netmail has gone out and I
couldn't leave a message last night)
Any thoughts as to why, when my connect speed says 14.4, that I'm often
getting a d/l speed on my mail packets of 2458 BPS? I cancelled one, started
again, got 13,200 bps and then it started dropping...rapidly. When it got
down to 8600 I cancelled again and the system hung up on me. I really don't
want to take 40 minutes on long distance to d/l a mail packet.
... Beware of geeks bearing .GIFs.
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #33
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: CENSUS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 17:53:00
EID:ff2d 20368ea0
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Dick Holm <=-
MH> In fact, the Romans *did* require people to travel to their
MH> birthplace in order to register for a census. A census edict from
MH> Egypt, from 104 a.d., shows that they did just that. It begins: "Gaius
MH> Vibius Maximus, prefect of Egypt, says: The house-to-house census
MH> having started, it is essential that all persons who for any reason
MH> whatsoever are absent from their homes be summoned to return to their
MH> own hearths, in order that they perform the customary business of
MH> registration." ("A History of Rome Through the Fifth Century, ed.
MH> A.H.M. Jones, c. 1970, Harper and Row.)
How do you get traveling to their birthplaces from returning to their own
hearth? It sounds more like they wanted to be sure they didn't miss anybody
by the person being at work when the census taker came around. And it says
'absent from their homes'. I would assume that the Romans charged with this
task would be intelligent enough to realize that people do move and
establish homes in other places.
That quote doesn't say anything about returning to a birthplace...and the
fact that it CLEARLY states that the house-to-house census was already in
progress. I don't think the census takers would be staying with any one
family for long enough to get family in from out of town.
That interpretation just doesn't wash, Mike.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: IT'S TACKY TIME!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:06:00
EID:8f59 203690c0
-=> Quoting Scot Bear to Marty Leipzig <=-
SB> I was thinking "The House at Kitsch Korner" would be more---er---
SB> tasteful! :)
But that ain't TACKY enough. You spoil the whole ambiance by adding
something with good taste (or that tastes good.)
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)gnore, (S)orry I Asked!
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 22 Jan 96 18:55:45
EID:ab54 203696e0
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Lynda and J.J. were killing time yakking about Jesus said "EAT ME!":
JH>> I'll grind him into crumbs and fry chicken with him.
JH>> Chicken ala Jesus.
LB> It won't work, J.J. Until they've been consecrated, all
LB> you have is a large quantity of tasteless wafers, and
LB> overpriced ones at that, no doubt.
JH> But how do you know they HAVEN'T been consecrated?
That's simple -- they aren't consecrated until just before the service.
:)
JH> (Mind you, I'm not asking you to prove a negative. But rather,
JH> asking for a way to test for the presence of consecration.)
You ask they priest, "Hey! Are these consecrated?!"
JH> Fuck it, I'll just consecrate them myself...
JH> Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
WEll, you could try that -- but if you're out to shock anyone who might
worry
about it, they won't consider 'em valid. Like I said, J.J. -- this one
won't
work. Darned near every altar boy has at one time or another snacked on
a few
wafers. (G)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... I'd give everyone a Twinkie, but I'm not a Hostess..
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: An interesting situation.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:20:49
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Anthony and Kenneth were killing time yakking about An interesting situation.:
KM> Thursday January 18 1996 08:57, Anthony Grigor-Scott mumbled to
KM> Damien Wellman:
AG> NOBODY did! It is written in His Word, Hallelujah! It's only as you
LOOK
AG> that you live. It says in I John 1:7 that `UNLESS we are walking in
the
AG> Light God is manifesting NOW we are not and cannot come under the blood,
AG> or be born-again, which is to become a Christian'. And that eliminates
AG> Roman Catholicism from its incursion into Christianity since AD 325.
KM> I beg to differ, being born-again does not make you a Christian, it
KM> makes you saved. To be a Christian one must try to live as Christ
KM> would have. After all that is what the word Christian stands for isn't
KM> it? To be more Christ like?
Ken -- then you believe that it is possible to be saved without being a
Christian?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... CAT: Walking ego with fur.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:26:07
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Lynda and Michael were killing time yakking about Christian Jobs:
LB> The ad Boni is quoting sounds like the job itself entails some sort
of
LB> Christian based counselling, so I can see where it's legitimate enough
LB> to want
LB> someone who is Christian -- but truckdrivers and carpenters? What
LB> would their
LB> religious orientation have to do with doing the job? What if the ad
LB> said "Jews need not apply"? Would it still look okay to you?
KW> If the organization is owned and run by christians who want their
KW> employees to teach christianity then they should have a right to
KW> this kind of employee.
LB> Why would a truckdriver or carpenter be expected to "teach
LB> Christianity"?
MH> Roadies for a Christian rock band, or a Billy Graham crusade?
Again, why would such a person expected to "teach Christianity" in addition
to
the duties of being a roadie? One need not believe in the teachings of
the
"star" in order to fill the job well. Should the most skilled roadie be
the
one hired, rather than the one who professes agreement with what's being
preached?
BH>NOTE TOO: that the first qualification is to be Christian--the rest
BH>appear to be negotiable!
KW> The guy who owns the business calls the shots.
LB> Can't say how it is in Canada, but here in the U.S. that's not exactly
LB> so -- we have laws against discriminatory hiring practices. Would
it
LB> be okay if the ad said "Whites only."?
MH> The color of one's skin is a different thing from personal beliefs.
MH> Should Jewish employers be compelled to hire neo-Nazis?
Neo-nazies aren't comparable to nonbelievers, Mike. Should Jewish employers
be "compelled" to hire Christians? (Is it okay for a Jewish lawyer to
disqualify blonde WASP secretaries?) By law, religion is protected right
along with pigmentation.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Carpenters are just plane folks
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Hear here
|Date: 22 Jan 96 19:42:14
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Kevin and Robert were killing time yakking about Hear here:
Robert -- I know you asked me this a few days ago, but I am not up to sifting
back through a gazillion messages looking for it, so I'll just give you
my
opinion quoting this one, okay?
RJ> Ask your next Christian, "What about the Preterite?"
KDM> I'll bite. What's the Preterite?
RJ> The Great Unwashed--all the people who God passes over. It's
RJ> origin is in Calvinist theology, but since almost all
RJ> Christians believe in an omniscient god who knows every action
RJ> through all time, it *logically follows* that he knows there
RJ> are those who are destined for hell, ergo, predestination. But
RJ> the thing is, there are millions born every day who will never
RJ> hear the gospel, and thus they will die without ever having a
RJ> chance at salvation. I'm now asking _all_ Christians who care
RJ> to reply what they think happens to those people, why they were
RJ> ever born in the first place if they are to be totally outside
RJ> the ken of Christendom for their entire life.
Honestly, I don't KNOW -- anymore than I KNOW what's going to happen to
those
who are Christians. You're absolutely right that it would be one horrifying
God who would knowingly create people doomed without possibility of salvation.
So, either he doesn't know (I don't buy that -- it deflects from the entire
image of an omniscient God), or he has made provisions for them. (Yes, folks,
I know -- there's also the possibility that He doesn't exist, but that would
make this whole conversation moot.) What I see in scripture seems to pertain
to believers rather than non-believers -- it just may be that it's none
of
our business what he chooses to do with anyone else. Certainly, the proverb
about the workers seems to point to our being told to stop playing guessing
games about what's "fair" for anyone else. If he wants to, he can "save"
anyone he pleases -- and we are told that he WANTS to save everyone.
I think Jesus did the work he came to do, and salvation is possible through
him -- and that need not require knowledge or acknowledgement of that fact.
If it did, than all babies would be damned, all mentally disabled people
would
be damned, all those who never heard of him would be damned. I can't accept
that sort of whimsical "country clubbish" idea of salvation.
I think that what Christians gain is an understanding of their
responsibilities, not simply an increase in favor. The warnings regarding
hell seem to speak much of those who would PREVENT others from knowing God.
The Gospel is a very direct way of learning about him, but I can't say that
there aren't other ways of knowing him too. It may be that one shares God
with others simply by being a "good person" with greater effect than one
who
stands at an intersection screaming the "good news" at people. The first
person may or may not be Christian, but they do reflect the image of Christ
more clearly than the second -- whether or not they know it, whether or
not
the people around them know it. By such people, an unconscious understanding
of Christ may be brought out without anyone involved having ever heard of
him.
I'm saying this very imperfectly, so if I'm being confusing, let me know
and
I'll try again.
RJ> What benevolent god allows that? Why doesn't God play his
RJ> little sadism games on just the few million Real True
RJ> Christians who'll wind up in heaven with him anyway? He'd
RJ> get almsot as much fun out of it, I'd think--he could torture
RJ> and cause misfortune among all of the believers, and they'd
RJ> still kiss his divine ass and thank him for every famine,
RJ> plague, and natural disaster that comes their way.
Now, wait a minute -- are you suggesting they don't happen to Christians
as
well as non-Christians? Isn't that as silly as trying to suggest there
is
some sort of "satan subsidy" for nonbelievers?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "But there isn't any real people here at all!" "So what's new?!"
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 23 Jan 96 04:59:46
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Lynda and Sean were killing time yakking about CHRISTMAS:
> SM> #ifndef "Judith Bandsma"
> SM> {#include Judith Bandsma}
> SM> #endif
> SM> #ifndef "Gwenny the Pooh"
> SM> {#include Gwenny the Pooh}
> SM> #endif
> Is this one of them thar wiccan spells, Sean??
SM> Actually, more like ANSI C....... :-)
Well, there you go then. I KNEW it was something satanic. ;)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Be careful or I'll include you in my plans!
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: fetii are persons 1/4
|Date: 23 Jan 96 05:04:57
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Lynda and Sean were killing time yakking about fetii are persons 1/4:
> SQ> I don't mean to engage in pedantics, but it's "feti" or "fetuses."
> Are you *quite* sure it's not "fetera"?
SM> Quite.
SM> The plural -era is a Third Declension inflection.
SM> "Fetus" is a First Declension term, as are 4/5 of all Latin terms
SM> ending in -us.
SM> That's the advantage of relatively uncorrupted and structured
SM> languages like Latin and Greek. Inflectional meanings in an inflected
SM> language tell a great deal about the terms used.
I hate to sound like Staal, but HUH??!
Sorry, but Latin is pretty much all Greek to me. (G)
I was just following along with the opus/opera thing.
So, what's a declension?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... And the plural of house is....CAT.....'Hmmmm'
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Eleggua
|Sub: Folliday Greetings...
|Date: 23 Jan 96 08:05:58
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Eleggua wrote in a message to Jose Gomez:
JG> Though there was so much power in magic and the occult, I
JG> have seen no power greater than that of my God.
E> Would he like a peanut?
Wait! The jeezoid got it wrong. It's 'No power greater than the Cod!'
So swim...little fishy Gomez and be baptized in the water by the holy scales
of justice before the one true power ...Cod!
Cod bless you.
--- timEd/2 1.10+
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