God Damned Fundies!
|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GLEN ZILLY
|Sub: Farewell To Holysmoke
|Date: 30 Jan 96 10:43:00
EID:402a 203e5560
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Glen Zilly to All <=-
GZ> Due to the removal of this forum from my current board
GZ> becuase of its use of profanity and other unnaceptable
GZ> language I will no longer be posting on the Holysmoke forum.
What the fuck is "profanity?" Who gets to determine what is
and what is not "profane?"
... "Unleash the atheists! Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of reason!"
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: Adolph Hitler
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:49:00
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-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to All <=-
-=> Quoting Larry Sites to Maria Russell <=-
>LS> Make you feel good, cunt? How come the dick that's your
>LS> head isn't here instead of you?
MH> To all non-Christians: He's[sic] one of yours.
"If the older generation cannot get accustomed to us, we
shall take their children away from them and rear them as
needful for the Fatherland." -- Hitler, June 18, 1933
"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your
side,' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already ...
What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however,
now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know
nothing but the new community." -- Hitler, Nov. 6, 1933
To all Christians: he's one of yours.
... Jesus can't perform tricks in front of skeptics (Matt 13:58 Mk 6:5-6)
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MARIA RUSSELL
|Sub: Killer God! Run Away!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:51:00
EID:578e 203e5e60
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-=> Maria Russell wrote in a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
MR> God offers salvation to ALL. It's a GIFT. He extends it
MR> to everyone. It's up to the individual if he himself will
MR> ACCEPT it.
And if one does not ACCEPT this GIFT, your gods will torture
one forever and ever, without end.
Demonic gods you have there, Maria.
... A virgin girl who is raped must marry her rapist. Deut. 22:28-29
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Hs web page update
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:13:13
EID:81ff 310d8d23
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310d8d23
> Yes; but about now I'd even take a mediocre '80s collection.
> There's simply
> nothing worthwhile on the radio.
I do tapes for bars! Just let me know what type you want and I'll make you
a tape or two. (mixed-together, no less!)
[This goes for everyone else, too!)
Hugs!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: C.Henshaw'S Monitor
|Sub: Re: RUDE!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:59:12
EID:81ff 310e1698
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310e1698
> JS>> as a face-less medium allows chicken-s**ts to sit
> behind their
> JS>> little monitors
>
> You'd better be standing on a milk crate when you call a
> 17" monitor 'small,' bucko.
Oh, christ...now they're arguing over monitor size! Enough of this euphemistic
shit! Call a spade a spade!
Mine's 7" and cut!
[snort]
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|From: Chris Leblond
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:04:29
EID:73e5 203d0080
MSGID: 1:250/1004 0f040227
BH> As for the heaven/hell routine, have you thought about the possibilities
of
BH> reincarnation? It is actually rather well documented. As far as I
know, m
BH> Wiccans are believers in reincarnation.
so...even in reincarnation, there is eventually a nirvava(/heaven) type
deal.
Or are you trying to say we are reborn forever? That would seem kinda dumb
and pointless if you ask me..
BH> I like Alestair Crowley's sense of humour and outrageousness, however
I fin
BH> his so-called "magick" to be a farce. Anyone spending that much time
BH> shuffling candles and incense around is too busy to concentrate their
will
BH> anything...:) However, his treatises on how will actually works are
fairly
BH> good.
well, there seems to be alot published about him, so perhaps there is
something there...have you tried his ceremonial-type(?) magic? I've never
tried any, which is why I'm talking to you :) I need help, guidance,
whatever. If you know anyone that actively performs magic, I would be
interested in participating in it, just to get the feel of it, learn a few
things...
BH> Heee...hee...hee...stop sobbing now, I'm sure we can find someone to
*bless
BH> the peanut butter and make it *magic* peanut butter...:-)
kinda like popeye and his spinach? Except I could eat a peanut butter
sandwich or something? I always wondered about that guy on sesame street...;)
BH> I would be more inclined *my* experience, only> to say that any "magic" or occult or whatever
acts'
BH> strength is based on the natural talent of the person involved. For
exampl
BH> you could be a great clairvoyant but suck sh*t as a magician. Or if
you ar
BH> naturally a person who can make excellent talismans it would not necessaril
BH> follow that you could do a great job-getting kind of spell. All you
can do
BH> is try all of the different things you can and see what things you have
mor
BH> success at...
I thought everyone could do magic. Or perhaps that is true, but he who
has
more talent, can work magic more sucessfully...am I near the mark?
CL> and I didn't know fruitbats raved...;)
BH>
BH> Jeez man, haven't you been READING this echo...:-)
sorry, they just dont seem like the partying kinda creatures...
BH> For me, the purpose of life is the pursuits of experience and knowledge
and
BH> when practically combined=wisdom...
and then what? what happens when you have accomplished that?
BH> Little bit hard to go into in a public echo. However I will tell you
this.
BH> The results were the smell of feces and vomit in my house any>, my dog became ill, a friend of mine who was helping with the situatio
BH> went off his rocker, and a few other undesirable things...
BH>
BH> When it was over, for the first time in months the house smelled normal
BH> and the mysterious disease my dog had, which the vet had trouble getting
ri
BH> of, vanished. Other people noticed the phenomena too, some of whom
were NO
BH> into any kind of occult practice and were NOT aware of what was happening
BH> because we didn't tell them.
so...other magicians can sense others' magical activity and do something
about
it? (pretty sick minded people if your story is to be believed ;)
most that I have talked to at WCC dont like to use magic. in fact, if you
want to become an official member type of thing, they make you take an oath
(if i remember correctly) only to use it in extreme cases. so not much
I can
learn there...ttyl.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Chris Leblond
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:09:37
EID:4a68 203d0120
MSGID: 1:250/1004 0f040228
A> It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or beneficial
A> results. Coersion of a gambler who does nothing but lose his ass and
make h
A> family suffer, to cause him to refrain from his habit, or getting a
A> down-in-the-dumps person to look at their positive qualities instead
of thei
A> negative ones, or anything like this will bring great results. I rarely
A> attempt to manipulate others negatively. My work is more 95% positive/5%
A> negative. I maniupulate those I care for much more than those I despise,
fo
A> the simple fact that not many people cause me to despise them.
A>
A> It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser who has no
friends
A> who goes 'round hating everyone. This isn't so. I give and receive
far mor
A> love than hate. And everyone seems to like me, except for the general
popula
A> who make up these echo's unfortunately. I believe myself to be in the
minori
A> as far as magickal practise goes. It seems like the majority uses magick
fo
A> more negative means than positive, expressing great maniacal glee as
everyon
A> suffers around them, but I am above such childishness.
A>
A> To finally answer your question. Yes I believe it to be generally harmful,
b
A> from others, not from me. I refuse to let that barrel of bad apples
spoil t
A> great bunch which can be created if one just picks through it to find
them.
true, just that used in your previous context, it sounded not too good.
Not
that I'm accusing you of anything, I just wondered. so what do you do as
a
satanist(you yourself)? it doesn't seem like you can go around and preach
the
word or christ-type of thing...(or the word of satan)..
ttyl.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:29:00
EID:9fff 203d53a0
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Roger Hunter <=-
JB> If you look real close you might see something even worse...at least,
JB> I'm seeing it here. In most of my packets where Al is missing, SO IS
JB> HECTOR.
JB> Do you think they met?
Even worse, could they be the SAME!!
Nahhhh. Al is too logical.
... Danger, Judith Bandsma! Off-topic messages! Danger!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: URGENT: Contact your
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:09:14
EID:0c42 203e4120
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310dd244
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TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Sue!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Sue say to Judith:
JB>> The protection of children is important. Therefore we should not
JB>> allow them to see or read things which may be harmful. What if your
JB>> little boy ran across Deutonomy 23:2?
JB>> "A man whose testicles have been crushed or whose male member has
JB>> been cut off is not to be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh. No
JB>> bastard is to be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh."
SA> Huh. According to this, it doesn't matter WHAT I do. I could pray
to
SA> Jaysus all I like, but this passage sez it won't do any good - my parents
SA> were never married.
Hey, me, too. Oh, well.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Cats know how we feel. They don't give a damn, but they know.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Zach Doyle
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:11:05
EID:2b1e 203e4160
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310dd43e
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Heilsa, Zach!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Zach say to Gwenny:
ZD> I chose Valhalla, I like the nordic religions, and another thing...
how do
ZD> you get in touch with wiccans, I'd like to learn more (peticularily
ZD> about pre-christian Irish religions) thanx
I assume you mean locally. I see that you are in British Columbia. There
are quite a few pagans up your way (we had an entire section that called
themselves the "Canadian Embassy" at Dragonfest. They also have a festival
up there in late August or early September. I'm hoping to go this year.
Also, so if any of your local bbs carry PODS (Pagan Occult Distribution
System). You usually have to be eighteen or have a parents permission to
be allowed to read these echoes. If you are old enough and can get these
echoes, look for Lucetius or Hillwalker. Tell 'em, Gwenny sent you.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Even the Borg won't assimilate a Macintosh.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:18:56
EID:ca27 203e4240
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Heilsa, LES!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
LES Willingcox say to KEVIN:
KD>> Strike two. A thief, and you judge others. How can you call *yourself*
KD>> a Christian?
LW> Strike three.... You're a moron.
I just adore it when ya'll speak that Christian
language of love.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Homosexual need freed
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:20:32
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Heilsa, LES!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
LES WILLINGCOX say to KATHERINE:
KW>> That's right, Les, only the little people pay for their software.
I
KW>> supposed that as you're 'saved', a little matter like being a thief
is
KW>> no impediment to entering heaven.
LW> As I've told your other gang members, produce the documentation
LW> from the author of this "software" or find a new subject to discuss.
As we've told YOUR other gang members, produce evidence of your mythgawd
or find a new subject to discuss.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Never argue with a skunk, mule, woman, or SysOp.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:22:07
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Heilsa, Lynda!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Lynda say to Gwenny:
JJH>> Is there a First Piss Of The Morning Ritual?
GtP>> What a concept...a reason to party everyday. But I have
a
GtP>> problem. I drink more than a gallon of water a day and therefore
get
GtP>> up several times during the night to piss. How do I know which is
GtP>> the last piss of the night and the first piss of the morning?
GtP>>
LB> That is an ancient Mystery, that has caused much controversy surrounding
LB> the Sacred Pregnancy Test Ritual -- it has led to such heresies as seeing
LB> the + sign and insisting the directions must not have been followed
LB> correctly. (G)
Well, we already have a positive as to the pregancy. Now Stephanie
has to do the ultra sound, no piss thing this morning. YECH!!!!
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate m***** f*****.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:24:31
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Steve:
SW>> The only power satan has is what we give him.
DC> So, not only are we more powerful than your piddly god, we are
DC> more poweful than the archangel that your god can't handle.
Ya know, it makes me crazy...well, I was already crazy, but that's not the
point , that the only ones who believe in satan are the xtians. And
they scream about how powerful he is. If he does exist, it's only because
of their constantly empowering him.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Metronome: a city-dwelling earth spirit.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: Uncaused cause?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:16:51
EID:6f45 203e0a00
}:> An lo Aaron did give unto LES a parable on hey, i'm new <:(
> According to one study the term "Jehovah" is
> considered a term with no origins.
AB> Ex nihilo creation of words? That's something I hadn't heard of
AB> before. It makes sense; the cosmological argument says that there has
AB> to be an uncaused cause, and that that cause is God. Those who
AB> advanced the argument must have simply made a trivial use/mention
AB> error, not realizing that it was the name of God, rather than the
AB> being they thought it named, which was the uncaused cause.
An uncaused cause? How can something have a cause but be uncaused?
Its like non-alcoholic beer, fat-free spam, or hot-buttered ice...it
boggles the (mine at least) imagination. I don't have a problem with
conceptualizing the singularity of a black hole being both infinite and
terribly small (though you should forgive my spotty technical terms),
that time and space can be one, that Asmodeus is a legend in his own
mind, or that there were two Darins on Bewitched. But this just makes
me guffaw all around the room. Please explain.
Cya
NS
... Eunuchs for PCs? I don't think I want to know...
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Vinod Tonangi
|Sub: I don't understand
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:24:36
EID:1889 203e0b00
}:> An lo Vinod did give unto All a parable on I don't understand <:(
VT> * Copied (from: a_theist) by Ryan Shaw using timEd/2 1.10+.
VT> If all you people are atheist then you made you?
Only if I was a self-made man, which would take the burden off nature.
I guess you meant "WHO made me..."
Mom and Dad supposedly, though I do understand that I look a lot like
the milkman...
VT> Where do you go when you die?
I don't know. I keep trying to remember to buy a map so I'll be
prepared when the day comes, but...
VT> Who do you pray too?
McMahan and Clark over at Publisher's Clearing House. I also invoke
the minor deities of the state lottery system from time to time.
VT> What do you fear?
Hot water bottles. And don't ask me why.
VT> Please answer these questions for me. I am not putting anyone down,
VT> nor am I making fun of anybody, I am just a little curious. Thank you.
VT> p.s. I would appreciate it, if you privately e-mailed me the response,
VT> Since I am not on this fido a lot. Thanx
VT> -GoD-
But, GoD, don't you know all of this already? No? Or should I
consider this evidence of your non-superiority?
Cya
NS
... Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jets!
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:37:13
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On Thursday, January 18th, 1996 - Sue Armstrong wrote:
CM> Who believes in myths?
LB> I do. (Figure THAT one out!)
CM>
CM> You're a druid, and think trees are alive?
SA> Trees ARE alive, you nitwit. Plants breathe, grow, metabolise,
That was a typo, I meant that they had souls. Besides, that message was
at least a month old. Trying to play "catch up", are we?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:39:49
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On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
CM> same. Therefore, you need to convince me that God does not exist.
CM> (Since you apparently don't want me to believe that He does.
DC> Do yourself a favor and provide evidence that that god of
DC> yours does exist.
How would that be doing _me_ a favor? I believe that would be helping
you out, more than I.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Echo Test
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:41:27
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On Thursday, January 18th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> The man who raised me is my father.
Gt> You said your father died before you were born. How did he raise you?
No, I did not. I said I don't KNOW my biological father. My mother and
him split up when I was VERY young. The man who raised me (my
step-father) is who I consider my Dad.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:20:09
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> Sugar, the ark wasn't large enough to hold all the different species
Gt> of bovine, let alone elephants (there were three or four species
It's amazing what can be done with the help of God, isn't it?
Gt> only that, but HOW did the kangaroo travel all the way from Australia
How do you know that animals were localized at that time?
Gt> that that Noah would have had to lay in another herd beast per week
Gt> per pair of predator.....let's see, say there were twelve different
Gee, have you never fasted?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:24:11
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> I don't. But I believe the piece of paper I have in my hand that
Gt> says you owe me $40,000. Pay up.
Take a number... (And then find somthing original to say.)
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:26:57
EID:6b4a 20356340
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Sue Alexander wrote:
CM> There was a point in time when I didn't believe in Christ, or God.
CM> My best friend was an atheist, and didn't believe either. THEN I
CM> started thinking.
SA> Were you raised in a household that believed in God? When you
Yes. My parents & grandparents (on both sides) were Roman Catholics.
My great-grandmother was a Baptist.
SA> started thinking, had you just acquired a new friend or 2? Had you
From 2nd grade to 7th grade I attended Roman Catholic School. From 7th
grade on up, it was the public school system.
SA> just had an arguement with your best friend of that time?
How am I supposed to remember that?!??!?
SA> There are many deities that people worship out there, Christian.
But there is only ONE TRUE GOD.
SA> Even if you discard the evidence around you that evolution occurs and
SA> that life can come from "pond scum" when in the correct environment,
With God's help, probably.
SA> how do you *REALLY* know that it is your God that is out there making
SA> it happen? It could be Zeus, Odin, Gaia, or any of a number of other
SA> deities, and if so they are probably pissed at you for not worshipping
SA> them.
I don't see any "Zeus, Odin, or Gaia" Bibles out there.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:15:05
EID:6ba6 203569e0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 90148be6
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote:
KD> Know your Bible well, don't you?
What? Do you think every Christian believer has gone to Seminary(sp?)?
KD> 2Kings 2:23
KD> 23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by
KD> the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked
KD> him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
KD> 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the
KD> name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood,
KD> and tare forty and two children of them. 25 And he went from thence
KD> to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.
The prophets of the Old Testament were representatives of God. To mock
the prophets were to mock God. It was not tolerated.
Jesus brought forgiveness to the world, before that, you had to be on
your best behavior at all times.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:21:01
EID:6ba6 20356aa0
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote:
KD> So if you beat a dog, and that dog rips your throat out for it, the
KD> dog is in the wrong?
God doesn't beat you for no reason. You must've done somthing wrong, in
the first place.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:23:48
EID:af39 20356ae0
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Sue Armstrong wrote:
SA> OK, perhaps they SHOULD migrate. Where to? Hmm. I think I'll
SA> suggest they all go to St. Petersburg, FLA. Specifically, to your
SA> neighbourhood. I trust you won't be a NIMBY on that subject ..
Usualy
Usually there is plague on the land. Who are they listening to God or
Satan? God gave the Earth to Satan.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:54:07
EID:2283 2035a6c0
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
DC> You're the one with that bible that you call true. If that truth
DC> is questioned, try anwering it with facts.
So, what's your point?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:56:00
EID:147a 2035a700
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PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
DC> So, Xian, you believe in a book that you have never read. How
DC> typical of you
What? Why do you think every Christian has attended seminary(sp?)?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Don Ward
|Sub: Re: HI
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:54:19
EID:0e8c 2036bec0
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PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Don Ward wrote:
DW> Christian, if you are a Christian, why do you chat with unclean
DW> spirits? Leave this den of fools to their on folly. And follow what
DW> the good book says......
DW> Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from
DW> godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called
DW> knowledge, -- 1 Tim 6:20 (NIV)
DW> Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become
DW> more and more ungodly. -- 2 Tim 2:16 (NIV)
DW> Will you fall prey to the ungodly, morally bankrupt fools here? Or
DW> will you fall and pray for them?
True, but if every one leaves, who will be here to tell of the great
things that happen in "The Book"?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:56:26
EID:0be1 2036bf00
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9015fc89
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Sean McCullough wrote:
SM> Now: Got any EVIDENCE that your God exists outside your imagination,
SM> and the imaginations of your fellow self-delusionists??
So you're trying to tell me that all of the believers since "way back
when", are wrong? We, as humans, thought the sun revolved around us...
We used to think the world was flat... Why try to deny everything that
points TOWARDS God and focus those things?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 24 Jan 96 02:20:29
EID:1e0e 20381280
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On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Fredric Rice wrote:
CM> It's not very smart to worship a rock.
fr> Whereas you worship paper.
How do I worship paper? I don't go around giving thanks to T.P. and
paper towels.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: new echo?
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:46:05
EID:0bb3 203865c0
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Katherine Wintersnight wrote:
KW> CM>Right in Genesis God mentions "we" before He created anything.
KW> And "let CM>us" is in there to. That would seem to do it for me!
KW> In your view, then, Xtiany is a polytheistic religion?
God The Father \
God The Son -----= One God
God The Holy Spirit/
Three in One. One God, Three parts.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Fundamentalist Are Insane 4/
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:49:17
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> He'll still provide for her whether it's via you, or another person.
Gt> And your evidence for this is??? Back when I was counting on him for
God states that He give's you what you need to survivor.
Gt>> BTW, Mom called (the earthly one) the other day and said she's
Gt>> mellowing out. Even drug-abusing biker bitches like my sis used to
be
Gt>> should only have to repent for so long.
CM> "Mellowing out", eh? When one first gets saved they seem to be
CM> one of the "holy rollers". :) The "mellowing out" is simply comes
CM> with time.
Gt> Care to make any wagers??? I used to live where my sis does now. I
You're the one that said she was mellowing out. I was just telling you
why.
Gt> drunk one night. Gee, maybe there is a deity.
Yes, there is a God. You're not Him. :)
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: CHURCHES
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:58:46
EID:1260 20386740
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901788ce
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> Every xtian I've ever seen does all they can to make a buck off of
Gt> you.
Well, you've never met me, my family, or my pastor... now have you? ;)
Gt> NO, fool. I am talking especially about my eldest, who has a chemical
Gt> imbalance that causes him to have difficulty dealing with ANY
Gt> emotion. Had I hit him, betrayed him, he would now be permanently
Gt> committed in the mental hospital. Violence, of ANY kind, is seldom
Gt> the answer. If you can't control 'em by three, chances are you never
Gt> will. I WILL NOT HIT MY KIDS....perverts.
Yeah yeah... A good swat to the butt won't harm any kid. I'm not saying
to pummel him about the head & shoulders 'ya know!!! My mother went
through that "no hitting kids" phase with my brother & sister. I
couldn't believe how they acted because they KNEW she would not hit
them. Boy, they sure minded me when *I* babysat them.
Gt> He was a Christian. He was a coward. He was a therapist. He
Gt> couldn't deal with his own fear. He was a Christian. Seems to go
Gt> together for me.
Knowledge of being a Christian is only truly known between the
individual & God. He may have said it, but maybe never was.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 24 Jan 96 13:04:17
EID:3c97 20386880
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt>> And your reproducible evidence that your mythgawd created this "rock"
Gt>> we call a world IS......
CM> I believe in what is written in Genesis.
Gt> I believe what was written in Song of Songs. Now, how about some
Gt> evidence instead of poetry.
Exsqueeze me... How do you suggest the world "appeared"?
Gt> * Origin: First Church of Gwenny's Tits (FidoNet 1:128/203.2)
Ah yes, the great plains!
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 24 Jan 96 23:41:12
EID:b037 2038bd20
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On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
CM> trying to do the "changing" needs to make the other believe in the
PS> Are we trying to change your mind?
Seems like it to me.
PS> I don't care *what* you believe as long as you don't force it on me
or
PS> anyone else, got it?
Have I been?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Re: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:27:30
EID:80f9 20394b60
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901863d2
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On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Rob Burcham wrote:
RB> I have a cousin who became pregnant at 16 and her mother
RB> went ballistic. I lost a lot of respect for my aunt at that
RB> time. I don't know how my cousin could ever forgive the
RB> things she said, but she did (I think she thought her mother
RB> was right when she called her an evil slut). Somehow, they
She should'a kept her legs closed. How can some one that young even
think they could raise a child successfully? They are but a baby
themselves!
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: Re: COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:30:55
EID:1e5f 20394bc0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9018645a
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Monday, January 22nd, 1996 - Robert Berndt wrote:
GTP> Remember -- Rome was Christian when it fell.
RB> And America was Christian when it rose.
To quote Wayne & Garth: "Shwang!"
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Lest ye forget...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:46:01
EID:2511 203a0dc0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901912b2
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Thursday, January 25th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> Why don't you spend your own $$ and call yourself to get a new copy
of
CM> that? As I said, all of the "adult" areas have been removed.
Gt> Did you remove them or just change your security level?? New users
Gt> on our board can even see that the pagan areas exist.
Did I stutter? ALL OF THE "ADULT" AREAS HAVE BEEN *_REMOVED_*. Thank
you.
Christian ;)
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: All
|Sub: About ME!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 16:59:59
EID:fda1 203a8760
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9019b31f
PID: RiBBS v2.10
Here I thought no one loved me anymore! You guys are just talking ABOUT
me instead of TO me. Gee, I get left out of my own conversations!!!
Christian ;)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Good News from F.U.H.C.U.
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:12:21
EID:6460 203a7980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e5c
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CH> On Sunday January 21 1996 at 03:37, Robert Jackson wrote to Rob
CH> Burcham:
RJ> Don't let the Great Deceiver whose name is legion,
RJ> but goes by the name of Intel, have your HD at its mercy!
CH> I guess I'm safe from the curse..er..virus then: there's no Intel
CH> chips in my computer.
HAH! Intel makes them all! You have been decieved by False
Chip Manufacturing Scum, and all chips have sinned!
... Send lawyers, guns and money...the shit has hit the fan.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Tolerance
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:19:19
EID:39f8 203a7a60
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RJ> magic dust and have the lucky mystical energy spirit moodring
RJ> control tower beam the correct interpretation to them.
RJ>
RJ> As you can see, there's a perfectly technical explanation.
KDM> Of course. Ever considered going to work for Micro$oft's customer
KDM> service section?
I understand, from people who've dealt with them, computer
knowledge on the level of Kris O'Kelly's is sufficient.
... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Satirists
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:23:32
EID:5160 203a7ae0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e5e
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DM> Byron, upon meeting Beau Brummel in company with HRH George,
DM> Prince of Wales, asked the Beau "Who's your fat
DM> friend?"--you KNOW he can't be ALL bad. Thackeray's Vanity
Ha-ha! That ranks up there with, urrgh--what's his name?
He was mayor of Chicago back in the 'teens; King George VI
visited Chicago and met with the mayor, a rather unassuming
fellow, who escorted him to a meeting of the aldermen and
said, "King, meet the boys."
RJ> it. Some of us have to deal with despair on a regular basis,
RJ> but we either deal with it, or get too exhausted to lift the
RJ> muzzle.
DM> I was trying to distinguish despair from depression;
Despair is one of the feelings many people experience _during_
a depression.
DM> all hope. Depressed I have been, but never without hope that
DM> I would eventually get out of the depression.
Some people I talk to on one of the writing echoes either
have a flair for the overly dramatic (which perhaps makes
them good writers) or they regularly experience some majorly
heinous shit when their Black Dog comes barking--I don't have
it as bad as some of them; oftimes they feel certain they'll
never break out of the cycle. You *can* lose hope in a severe
depression. I've done it, but I was too tired to give up, if
that doesn't sound contradictory.
DM> Incidentally, you were speaking elsewhere of liquors to
DM> put on ice cream: may I suggest Cherry Heerring on vanilla?
Chambord (raspberry) is another one.
DM> And a dash of Pernod does wonders for a bowl of sugared
DM> strawberries.
Hmm...
... "When in doubt, go for the dick joke." --Robin Williams
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Tara Holland
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:33:04
EID:0001 203a7c20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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TH> I am a Christian..I am sorry to read some of the attitudes on here.
TH> I respect that everyone has their own opinion..and I know that
TH> everyone has a right to their point of views. I will not argue with
Yeah, it always starts off all pseudo-compassionate and oh-so
tolerant...
TH> are ready to except him into your hearts...but..I will say..when the
TH> world ends...the evil will lose and the good Lord will judge you all.
TH> and he will judge your heart..and for those of you who fail to listen
TH> and accept him in your hearts before that time comes..it will be you
TH> who will burn for an eternity..in flames. I am sorry for all of you
...and then the threats follow immediately on its heels.
TH> who do not see the glory in loving the Lord. I am praying for all of
...and then they always wrap up the threats with a bit of lovey-
dovey sweetness about how cool and bitchin' their god is.
Fuck off, you duplicitous, tyrant-worshipping faithmonger. Your
ilk is the VERY REASON people with brains want nothing to do
with your deathcult.
... You're like an idiot savant, only without the savant part.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:06:21
EID:6f07 203c18c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e60
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RJ> Or would you like to burn in Hell for all eternity? You must
RJ> realize that I, as God, can do this to your immortal soul.
RJ> Wanna try me?
AM> He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.
Says a buttload about your Yahweh fellah, doesn't it.
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:07:05
EID:fbd5 203c18e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e61
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SQ>> "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem." :)
RJ> Ille Jesu Domine, dona es est requiem. ::))
SQ> If I knew you weren't joking, I'd make another bet. :)
Joking about what--the flagellant's chant? That's the spelling
I've heard, and it seems to make sense: This famous Lord Jesus,
bestow upon us your rest (repose). Sounds pretty intense to
me--a bunch of miserable guys waitng for death.
What does your translation say?
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: -------
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:11:34
EID:598e 203c1960
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RJ> Or even Zen! |8-o
GtP> Damn, I wanted to work in something like "That was Zen but this is
GtP> Tao" but I can't get my brain to work...do you think saying "Have a
GtP> nice day" several hundred times in eight hours can destroy your mind?
No, but if you say it to enough people in a day, it might be
detrimental physically--as some people find the phrase extremely
annoying.
... "Wouldst thou be perfect, do not yelp about God." (Johannes Eckhart)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:14:02
EID:677e 203c19c0
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MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e63
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RJ> Just said to make a point. I only reserved the torture for
RJ> animals that stood a good chance of fighting back.
GtP> Are you looking for volunteer.
Yeah sure, anytime. I used to love wrestling with
my dogs when I was young--midsize models, dontcha know, 40 to
50 pounds of pure-muscled mutt--because they'd put up a good
fight. I'd get all muddy, scratched and chewed on, run around
the yard and the woods. Not really many people my age in the
neighborhood.
GtP> (with fewer side effects) to go into a private place and chant for
a
GtP> half an hour. Besides, I get to wear nifty robes or have an excuse
to
GtP> be naked. Works for me. Besides, we have alot of fun when
we
I've got this big, billowy robe on right now--I seem to wear it
all the time right now, but that has a lot to do with it being
about 55-60 degrees in my room this season. It's thin enough
that it's not smothering, and I can wear my shorts and a T or
less (I hate having to wear winter clothes).
GtP> do stuff together, since I have YET to see more than one ritual that
GtP> was serious for the entire time.
I get together with a group of people in my are at least twice
a month to have night-long drumcircle/keggers--what I really
enjoy about them is that they are purely secular affairs; we're
all a bunch of skinbashing afficionados who like to make a big
noise. I went to two that were under auspices of pagan
ritual (autumn equinox and something like a full moon dealie).
I felt just a *bit* uptight, since some of the people there
just seemed to be a bit too into the "spiritual" thing, and what
I get out of it is a chance to make up some really interesting,
complicated, and speech-inflected patterns. Our regular drum-
circles are really just a gathering of musicians, although some
of them are pagans.
RJ> Actually, I've found it a bit beneficial that I start cross-examining
RJ> the pagans and liberal Christians--it makes me ask penetrating
GtP> Yes, a good discussion with someone who has strong beliefs, but an
GtP> open mind, can be very illuminating and entertaining. I have several
GtP> Christian friends who I enjoy very much.
Last night, I was pondering on a lengthy essay-type post I
was going to address to ALL, based somewhat on that. As a
number of trenchant firebreathers have outright admitted,
they usually don't cross-X the pagans because they keep their
beliefs hush-hush, but I've been thinking about some inherent
pitfalls in that route. I won't go into it at the moment
(my mind's really not up to formulating the whole thesis at
the moment), but it has very much to do with the "revolution
of rising expectations" tack--seeing as how nontraditional,
i.e., non-whitebread jeezoid, religions and beliefs are being
allowed more acceptance in mainstream society--and yet especially
because they consider themselves very much victims of persecution
(quite true, I have no quibble with that), it seems that in the
near future, a "vocal minority" of pagans will start muddying
up what is already a turbulent social fabric. As you know, the
majority of Christians are not the typical asshole fundies we
see in rare form here--they're either like Al or Lynda, or they're
nominal Christians. Yet, it's that vocal pain in the ass that
causes many of their correligionists to fall in line or let them
have all their fun. I seriously doubt that pagans, even though
they tend to favor non-conversion, won't avoid that quagmire, and
the main reason is because of belief. Don't get me wrong, I
also see atheists and agnostics (often in the same boat as pagans)
susceptible to political mobilization as well. I just see their
tack as being a bit easier to fight along certain lines--you'll
probably see some pro-eugenicist movements, which, like others
who might try using a faux science-based ideology, but if they
would use logic to advance dubious methods, logic can be used
to argue against them. It's the problem of political aims based
on nothing more than *belief* which I fear more.
And so, that's why I've started examining the pagan belief
structures with a hard eye--I want to see what I'm pretty sure
is a "historical inevitability", to glibly use a Marxist term.
You know I don't forsee any of you becoming "the enemy", but I'm
afraid I see some of the kernels in the religion qua religion...
... Acapulco Gold--Just A Stony Three Hits Longer!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:48:36
EID:da4b 203c1e00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e64
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RJ> It's probably a good idea, IMO, for personal relationships--to
RJ> heighten understanding so that one doesn't stay totally in the
RJ> dark about the other's gender-based idiosyncracies.
GtP> Very thoughtful of you. We women, like you men, do have our quirks
GtP> that totally confuse the other sex.
One thing that's always bothered me is the difference girltalk
has from guytalk in "conquest" stories. Women always whine
about how guys are such pigs for kissing and telling--but it's
usually in a positive manner. I rarely hear guys sit around and
talk about all the lousy lays they've had--and it seems that's
more often the focus of the female side, just from my observation.
Can't say *I've* been a topic, since you'd have to look PRETTY
hard to find anyone with firsthand experience.
GtP> is mixed, I would have overcome the "race" thing. Not so. I tend
to
GtP> be anxious around Oriental men...for no reason that I can find. And
I
GtP> LOATHE Jewish women from New York (and not all Jewish women, since
one
GtP> of my dearest friends is a JAP-turned-pagan from Boston)....all I have
GtP> to do is hear one of them whining in that nasally voice....sorry,
What, you don't find Fran Drescher's voice a turn-on.
GtP> where was I. But you see how it is. I guess I'm not perfect
GtP> yet. (BTW, I DO know where that prejudice comes from...having to deal
GtP> with the "rich" girls in college, most of whom where either East Coast
GtP> Jews or Southern "belles"....)
I have a few prejudices, but there's not much point in going
into it right now. Mainly, I like to drop ethnic slurs for
laffs about groups no one tends to think of--calling Scots
a bunch of thistle-arsed, knock-kneed bogtrotters, for one.
I'm always up for a good tweak of the Limey nose--and I happen
to be half-English, biologically. I haven't come up with any
good ones for Hungarians (my other half) yet.
RJ> I've read up on chaos theory, and it's affected my
RJ> philosophical standpoint. Religious systems seem like one of those
RJ> linear constraints that are detrimental by virtue of imposition on a
RJ> nonlinear environment (individual minds)--and the more linear
RJ> and narrow, the worse they are. Roman Catholicism and
RJ> fundamentalism, for two specifics.
GtP> Don't forget Islam.
Zackly.
... ... Just when you find out life's a bitch, it has puppies.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Women's Roles
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:00:24
EID:4319 203c2000
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e65
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3108829b
RJ> "I like spitting in people's food before I serve it to them.
RJ> It doesn't hurt them, but I get a chuckle out of it, and no
RJ> one else is the wiser."
GtP> Hey, I thought you liked torturing little animals...what gives.
Well, that's how I do it--I hock a loogie in the tin cup of
hamster chow when the furry little rodents aren't looking.
... Troubled by kleptomania? Take something for it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: JESSE CHRIST JONES
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:02:40
EID:7416 203c2040
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e66
JB> Well, I gotta say it's pretty funny for this little ole heathen who
JB> supposedly got her commuppance in August (I'm sure there were more
JB> than a couple fundies chortling about the possibility of us being out
JB> in the street) when Leo lost his job.
JB> It looks like we're going to CLEAR an extra 15K this year. And that's
JB> WITH paying for a second residence and the expenses of a car, which
we
JB> didn't have before. I've managed to get every one of our bills caught
JB> up and am starting to replace the savings we had to use. By June, I
JB> should be able to afford the new computer I want without having to
JB> incur new debt to do it.
You must have the luck of my parents. Somehow things happen to
occur right as money gets tight which keeps them afloat and
back to their usual level of "way in debt". Things were getting
lean last year and my dad got cancer--turns out the insurance
ponied up more than the treatments cost. My mom said, "Only
_we_ could make a profit off cancer."
JB> No gods required.
None at all. I'm really not sure what my dad's beliefs are,
but he's not a religious man at all. I think I may have turned
my mom into an atheist--we talk about religion a lot.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:07:38
EID:0fe2 203c20e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e67
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e105
RJ> How much would a vintage Mellotron cost these days?
JS> Dunno...but you might give Big City Music a call at: (818)985-0855.
JS> They deal in used vintage equipment...
JS> Of course the EMU Vintage Keys voice module has 'em all for less than
JS> you would pay for just one (and a whole lot more portable. Those
JS> suckers used to weigh a ton!)
I could imagine--especially since there's so many moving parts
(all the mechanical work, tape loops and everything). But,
like a tubestack, that's what gives it that wonky, clunky,
juddery sound that makes it so much fun.
... Ven der putz shteht, ligt der sechel in drerd.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:09:43
EID:f8df 203c2120
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e68
RJ> nightly stories of the Khmer Rouge and mounting deathtolls
RJ> in Cambodia.
AS> Yeah, I guess you've seen your share of horrors too.
Lucky me, I couldn't do what all four-year-olds normally did.
I had to be too fucking precocious for my own good. I watched
Nixon's resignation on TV, live. Can't say I knew what was
going on, or how big a deal it was, other than our Head Honcho
was out of the game. And yet I somehow started showing signs
of Republicanism in my single-digit years.
RJ> detente talks, and unless accords were reached _"war is
RJ> inevitable"_(I doubt I'll *ever* forget those words).
AS> In the LATE seventies? I'm trying to think of a time when relations
AS> got that bad...(Not doubting you, just trying to think what it could
AS> have been.)
It was just before the SALT talks. And another fun incident
from '78--the time we were three minutes from nuclear anihilation
because some joker at NORAD put the wrong program in the war
computer one time, instead of the "this is a drill" tape, it
was the "this is NOT a drill" one--and I understand they even
went as far as broadcasting the EBS signal without "This is only
a test" in the shpiel. I don't remember that, but heard about
it in civics class some years later.
RJ> Yeah, by 1991, I often had a sense of relief in discussions
RJ> of world politics, because it was nice for once in my life
RJ> to not be obsessed with the fear of a great screaming in the
RJ> sky.
AS> It's nice to live in a time that is not quite so paranoid.
I wouldn't say that--there's probably *more* paranoia now.
Even with all the rhetoric, most people stayed on kilter in
the Cold War days because they knew the Reds were just as
hooked on power and money as the US--and they wouldn't want
to blow a great moneymaking venture like a Cold War and massive
military buildup they had no real intention of using. I got
to sleep many a night trying that rationale.
As one pundit put it, re: the end of the war, that "now the dragon
in the forest has been defeated, all the snakes come slithering
out of the trees." Now we've got GENUINE loonies, many who think
their god will give them an E-ticket to Paradise for destroying
The Great Satan; we've got petty thugs looking to set up countries
on clods of dirt in the name of genocide, and we've got a huge
former superpower trying in a few corners to act like it knows
what century this is, but plenty of folks think it's time for
the Tatars to come riding in on horseback to Mongolian Clusterfuck
every enemy they can dig up from their history since the Scythians.
It's nowhere NEAR over yet.
... Quick and painless...or slow and lingering?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:26:14
EID:4fb1 203c2340
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e69
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org fdfde426
KW> BTW, most blood collection services will allow family members and
KW> friends to donate a pint for a recipient. They will then not charge
KW> that pint to the recipient (there will be handling charges, but those
KW> are small compared to the full charge). You don't have to be of the
KW> matching blood type. For a triple bypass, the surgeon will want to
KW> have six pints of whole blood, and four pints of fresh, frozen plasma
KW> crossmatched and on hand.
Another thing catching on is setting up a personal bloodbank.
No need to crossmatch--unless you suddenly change bloodtype
in your life. I hear it's actually healthy to bleed off
a pint every now and then--you get a whole new batch of fresh
RBCs, and there's supposed to be something about the iron
levels in the blood which is improved from it. Who'da thunk
it, that those medieval barbers might've occasionally done
some good for some people "aye, m'lud, sit ye down in me chair
an' we'll give ye a good bleedin'!"
But still--I don't want none o' that big steel pigsticker
comin' at me 'lessin I'm knocked out fer it!
... Quick and painless...or slow and lingering?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:32:01
EID:75c4 203c2400
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6a
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 4b3f3909
RJ> beliefs. Most (pagans) seem to come from a Christian tradition
RJ> and got seriously soured on it in a powerfully cathartic way.
KW> Not this one. I started out an atheist. Never could buy into the
KW> christ myth. I found myself in the Craft about a decade ago, and had
KW> some trouble admitting to 'loosing' my hard nosed atheist stance.
I figured there necessarily have to be some atheist-turned-
pagans out there, just like there are plenty of atheist-turned
fundy (Prewett, are ya list'nin?) sorts. I can see it as a
slightly more "sensible" switch than the latter, but I'm even
more intrigued by that route than that of believers who remain
believers. Many atheists and agnostics consider themselves
"spiritual" people, and of course lack of belief in God is only
one thing to lack belief in, it doesn't rule out people believing
in a "soul".
KW> right and appropriate for me. If you really have a burning need to
KW> know more, ask me in net or e-mail, and I'll tell you.
I may just have to do that. I won't right now, but when I start
leading up to something on the echo, I'll either come back to
you on it, or you might feel inclined to send your story via net.
KW> And yes, we don't always take our religion, or ourselves seriously.
This, I've learned from the start. I've met very few dour
pagans--which is one main reason I like to hang out with them.
If there's anything I can't stand, it's someone without a
sense of humor. That's actually one of the first things I
becan disliking intensely about fundies when I was really young.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: True Christians
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:42:27
EID:07bd 203c2540
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6b
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org df565073
RJ> REBIRTH??? B-but...that sounds like "born again"!
KW> Reincarnation, not mind wiping, okay? It is because they shed their
KW> skins and look all new and young again.
Yeah, that's one belief I _fully_ intend to put in the hotseat
when I'm sure I've got my brainbox running up to speed. Rein-
carnation, particularly "past lives", is prevalent in so many
religions and belief systems, just like the savior mythos and
tales of an "afterlife". And thus, several religions with
reincarnation beliefs are also responsible for untold human
suffering and misery. Ever heard about what life is like for a
typical Buddhist woman from Cambodia or anywhere else in the
SE Asian peninsula? Not pleasant at all. Picture a nation
full of Maria Russells, only without that gusto for assertion
and self-esteem.
... Did he just say..."splunge"?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:50:40
EID:42dd 203c2640
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6c
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310837c3
RJ> I explained it to McKenzie yesterday or the day before.
DW> I saw that the day after I sent my query.
RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW> Preterite isn't in my dictionary - I checked before asking.
Okeydoke. My Random House College had it. I tell ya, I can't
wait for the OED on CD to actually become affordable--that, and
the Encyc. Brit.
... If I have any belief, it is that faith is a dangerous thing. --RBJ
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:52:50
EID:21c1 203c2680
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6d
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3108399b
RJ> trying to act like some sort of rock messiah who had to let
RJ> everyone see her suffer with the weight of the world on her
RJ> shoulders (what the hell *is* it with Irish rockers?).
DW> What is it with the Irish, period? They have a *beautiful* country,
DW> and all they can to amuse themselves is blow each other (and the
DW> English) up.
Having studied Irish history a bit, I can answer both why the
Irish love blowing each other and the Brits up, as well as why
so many Irish rock bands think they have inject themselves
into every social issue they find fashionable. The nutshell
answer is that the Irish are simply *obsessed* with their history.
The actual answer is much like Irish history itself: incredibly
byzantine in complexity, with as many sides fighting together
and against the same thing, but all agreeing on one thing--the
English are behind it somehow.
RJ> to see the ripples in the punchbowl after she flung that
RJ> sizable turd in it.
DW> There were surprisingly (to me) few ripples.
What, you think having the Pope make a statement later that
week isn't a big enough ripple on its own?
RJ> because, oh, she just couldn't *fathom* why everyone was
RJ> so angry with her.
DW> Isn't she a blonde? :)
I remember her 5:00 shadow being rather dark...
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:59:16
EID:4f4a 203c2760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6e
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RJ> Ya gotta think...anyone that'll fuck over a friend for a crack
RJ> at their wife isn't thinking rationally in the first place,
DW> That's true. But I wasn't only speaking of fucking over friends.
I think it should just spill over naturally into that. In
the grand scheme of things, any guy with a SO should be viewed
as "friend"--unless you hate the guy, but then why would you
want to date a woman with such bad taste in men? Again, as I
explain my rationale, it becomes clear to all why I date even
less than DRice on average.
DW> It seems that an ethical code that a person has put some thought into
DW> (dare I say, reason & empathy?) is much stronger than a moral code
DW> handed down from on high.
It's what *I've* been trying to say for quite awhile. Inter-
estingly enough, this very topic (ethics and empathy for atheists
vs. believers) is being debated on MENSA--and strangely enough
there are three agnostics who think religion is a good thing
which should be encouraged because it fosters trust and honor.
I started out on the debate thinking it was some sort of joke
(they do an occasional amount of Holysmoking there), but two of
'em are serious--and the other claims he's playing devil's
advocate part of the time. Weird.
... "Why not call it a rock?" --Ford Prefect
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:06:34
EID:8b59 203c28c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6f
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310843f7
DW> 17 years old and in the 10th grade? How does one manage to *fail* a
DW> year of homeschooling?
DW> From the way Kelly mangles her mother tongue, I'd say she should've
DW> been held back 6 or 8 more times.
No, that wasn't Kelly--that was Kris, who we've met here.
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: SATANIST
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:08:27
EID:92dd 203c2900
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e70
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3108447d
RJ> Pound Shithammer on these punks? Notice you don't see much
RJ> dialogue between Satanists and fundies? Could it be that
RJ> fundies are afraid that a Satanist will
RJ> put a curse on them?
DW> You might not be that far off the mark. The Satanists go in for a
DW> similar kind of "juju magic" as the Christians do. :)
Seeing as how most of a fundy's life is devoted to a conscious
regimen of fear, what with fanning a broomstick under their
bed each night looking for demons and science books, most have
been trained to think anyone who professes worship of Satan
is able to make their blood-pentacle-inscribed goathead on
the wall shoot fire from the eyes and horns and make their little
fundy children come after their parents with a butcher knife
and a diabolical laugh. They think these teenage-badass-wannabes
actually can DO something to them!
So I guess their power from Jayzus isn't as strong as they think.
... I always wake up at the crack of ice.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:14:52
EID:5357 203c29c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e71
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310894c3
GtP> Looks like we're gonna miss Burns Night this year. But, since
GtP> it is also the day to honor the Disir (female ancestors of the Norse
GtP> who allegedly hang around and help out...I wish one of them liked to
GtP> do dishes ), we may just have a party at home.
You realize that, after the above graf, I have no choice but
to answer your tag below in this fashion:
GtP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Glenlivet or Aqvavit -- Which for you?
... Write drunk! Edit sober.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:17:32
EID:bf3a 203c2a20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e72
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RJ>> in a leather trench- coat wielding a cat o' nines...but just
RJ>> don't have that guy wear a swastika armband! That could
RJ>> send the wrong message.
GtP> Each culture has its taboos and shames. We can have the Bible in the
GtP> public school library, but we can't have Little Black Sambo. Kinda
GtP> the same thing, no?
Come to think of it, yes. In a way, it's really quite sad
that Germany has to be so militantly hardline about their
free-speech abridgments. It's like they know it's too easy
for the volk to get hooked on it again, sorta like the
way AA tells its members, "You CAN'T drink ANOTHER DROP__EVER!!
YER GONNA DIE if you do! YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!"
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:52:34
EID:5cf8 203c2e80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e73
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RJ> Hey, is FLAME screwy on your end again? I haven't gotten
RJ> single post in my packet nearing two weeks.
MG> Tell your sysop. I'm getting regular messages.
I think it's now sorted out--somewhere up the line the feed
to 390/1 got switched off, and now it's back on. Only thing is,
there were only 11 posts in the packet, so I've lost perhaps
1000 messages--I don't know how many were for me. Was there
anything important I might have missed?
... * Origin: MESSIAH! NETWORK: Killing People For Fun and Prophet!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:26:04
EID:3e8a 203c2b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e74
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JH> Ol' Phyllis's book was mainly about why Richard Nixon lost to
JH> JFK (double fanfare). It seems there is this group of international
JH> bankers, who just happen to be jews, that control all the elections
JH> by manipulating world finances. JFK was all their fault. It's
JH> nothing more than slightly sanitized Anti-Semitism.
No kiddin'! A secret cabal of Jews decided, "Yeah, you know
what we need in charge of the most powerful country on Earth?
A Roman Catholic." Uh-huh.
JH> The name itself comes from the idea that these secret masters of all
JH> humanity hold annual meetings, the original meeting place being
JH> either a town or estate (I forget which) in the Netherlands named
JH> Bilderberg.
"Hey, we were just there for the waters..."
... "The shortest distance between two puns... is a straight line."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 30 Jan 96 04:15:47
EID:ed79 203e21e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e75
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f0e
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "ABORTION"
RJ> Why do you suppose people insist on making life so needlessly
RJ> difficult for themselves?
DW> Why has Jesse stayed here as long as he has? It's the martyr complex,
DW> Robert. They want to be more like their Savior.
RJ> Too bad Chuckles Martel held the Pyrenees in 711. Maybe we
RJ> wouldn't have as many crucifixationists. After all, Mohammed
RJ> was a merchant.
PS> And I bet the Mongols would have had the shit kicked out of them by
PS> the Muslims, instead of a Christian Europe being smashed into bits.
Then again, even if the Muslims made it through Europe, there
would've been quite a lot of influence on Islam coming from
north of the Rhine--those shaggy blond people managed to do a
heavy number on that Judeo-Platonic mess that sprung up some
800 years before. You can just forget about all those dietary
laws pertaining to pork, for one--a few centuries of Kraut ass-
kicking on the Arabs would've loosened them up on a few things,
just like much of Western Christendom and the continued fasci-
nation with decorating trees in December and hiding eggs in the
spring.
... "Why not call it a rock?" --Ford Prefect
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:12:36
EID:2d34 203d1180
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e76
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f0f
RJ> They wouldn't believe such a ridiculous thing in the first
RJ> place. A 6'5" guy would probably just laugh and say "Bring
RJ> 'em on, kid!"
PS> Hell, this little 5' 8" guy would say the same thing with a smile.
Hey, what's wrong with being 5'8"?!?
PS> And if someone really *did* send a demon after me, would I be around
PS> afterwards to express my disapproval to the guy who did it?
Yeah, first I'd say, "OK, you're a better man than I am, Gunga
Din--so...where ya hidin' the hologram projector?" and then,
faiing that, I suppose I _would_ have to start thinking about
the as-yet-unevidenced possibilities, but only after I've
checked myself into a loonybin for observation.
... As private parts to the gods are we--they play with us for their sport
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:17:00
EID:e0ac 203d1220
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e77
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a7588
PS> I'm composing a list now, leaning heavily towards the obscure words.
RJ> I'm sure you'll be floccinaucinihilipilificating him in no time.
PS> Doubtlessly. (Yes, I do know what the word means. No, I don't take it
PS> as an insult. )
Of course not, since you'd know you'd be the one doing the
insulting if you were floccinaucinihilipilificating. But
perhaps, that's one word that'll make him trek up to look
through the OED--being one of the only dictionaries that
defines the word.
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:19:51
EID:053d 203d1260
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e78
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RJ> Guess that'll just be a lesson to anyone that pisses me off
RJ> enough that I try to go for their ear or fingers. Those ap-
RJ> pendages are comin' OFF, baby! :->
PS> It's a good trick in a fight against more than one person. Do
PS> something to fuck up one of them pretty badly (snap off an ear, maybe
PS> the nose), and the rest will think twice about messing with you.
Yeah, if you can't fight fair, fight dirty.
If you can't fight dirty...just fight crazy.
... But my assault rifle IS for sport! I use it to hunt BATF agents.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:21:09
EID:4221 203d12a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e79
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RJ> Nah, I found my happy zone. My few Wildian "redeeming vices".
PS> Cool. I haven't got many. A caffiene dependency that I quietly nurse,
PS> but that's about all.
I've discovered the fascinating uses of those little clumps
of endocrine sitting atop my kidneys this weekend...
RJ> Yeah, but the "wit" center of my brain seems to kick in after
RJ> the circadian clock loses a beat.
PS> There's that. Since I'm back in school, I'm on the old
PS> getting-not-quite- enough-sleep schedule and then sleeping 10-12 hours
PS> on the weekends.
I put in about 27 hours this weekend working, and I've got an
alligator-choking wad of cash to show for it even before my
paycheck comes in. I started Friday afternoon, and since I
hustled my ass off, I'm so keyed on adrenaline I haven't slept
but maybe 3 or 4 hours since Friday morning, and have only
had about 300 calories a day to eat/drink. It's 1:30am, and
I still won't be falling asleep for another 4 hours, by my guess.
... * Origin: POLYTETRAFLUORETHYLENE! NETWORK: Slippery Plastic Jeezoids!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:25:37
EID:8d0f 203d1320
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e7a
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RJ> meanie, you!" It's obvious the boy is more afraid of words
RJ> than fists--probably in giving and receiving.
PS> I agree with your analysis. In being afraid of words, he does have
PS> some reason to--after all, I learned a long time ago that pounding
PS> someone to a bloody pulp isn't as damaging as a snide one-liner
PS> delivered at the right time. And it's really only right that he seems
PS> to be afraid of us; after all, what he's said so far doesn't seem to
PS> stack up to what we can respond with.
Speaking of "stacking up", I suppose it would be fun if we
asked if he'd like to "stand on his stack of OED volumes and
say that to our faces."
... "When in doubt, go for the dick joke." --Robin Williams
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:26:58
EID:9bed 203d1340
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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RJ> Walrus", and I know I have no need to tell you what band
RJ> recorded that one.
PS> No, you don't. It's kind of a moot point, though, because I hate the
PS> Beatles.
Well, objectively speaking, I can see a possibility for someone
to "not like" the Beatles, but *hate*...? |8-O
... If I have any belief, it is that faith is a dangerous thing. --RBJ
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:28:12
EID:4ed9 203d1380
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e7c
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SW> Are you an ordained judge J.J.? Do you make a charge against
SW> Mr Miller? Or do you think you can mock Christ with your
SW> ridicule? It says in the Bible, "Thou shalt not put the Lord
SW> thy God to the test."
RJ> He's putting one member of your god's fanclub to the test.
RJ> I think it's funny he's equated Christian Miller with the
RJ> Lord.
MB> I don't think that's where he's coming from. I think he's
MB> trying to tell us that we can't "try" his god by asking his
MB> god to clue him in to the chemical makeup of those pills,
MB> because his god won't participate in such games.
No, it's that he started bringing up that "put to the test"
crap because JJ pointed out Miller was a Christian of the
Swaggart school of hypocrisy. I was wondering how pointing
out the actions of one dumbass fundy with his pants down
equated to testing God, unless the debagged fundy was God--
that's the only syntactical explanation I could suss out.
MB> what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
MB> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
Uh, george is the one with the pills...
... * Origin: MESSIAH! NETWORK: Killing People For Fun and Prophet!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:31:35
EID:69b3 203d13e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e7d
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DH>> mom.. It's Fun.. i use to write meny from your bbs.. well I
DH>> need to go.. Please write back..
DH>> Kris O'Kelly
JH> I don't know how I missed the original of this.
JH>
Hilling xposted from WV_TALKS, a regional echo.
JH> But it sure as hell explains a lot...
Too much.
JH> I wonder if homeschoolers can sue their parents for malpractice?
Don't place any suckerbets on it not happening down the line.
... "Wouldst thou be perfect, do not yelp about God." (Johannes Eckhart)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Pope, pope, who gots the pope?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:32:58
EID:6d15 203d1400
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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RJ> Celly V wasn't assassinated--he was the only pope to resign
RJ> his office.
JH> That's why I added the "hastened to an early grave" qualifier.
Not even a early grave if I remember correctly. He just wanted
to get back to the Italian countryside to tend sheep. Seems
the Vatican was no place for a "holy man".
RJ> You remember my story about how Bonnie VIII
RJ> supposedly got Celly to resign, hmm?
JH> Can't say that I recall it...
Supposed Celly resigned because "voices told him he was not
meant to serve" in such a heirarchical position--the Vat had
a succession of lawyer-popes and it was becoming bad PR for
keeping the Church stable and raking in the dough hand-over-
fist; the N. Euros were balking at the exorbitant tithes for
building cathedrals and Crusades. They got "a good egg" from
out of the boonies and made him a "holy" pope, not a CEO of
a corporation. Celly couldn't handle the business and started
hearing voices telling him to quit...
Rumor has it Bonnie 8 was crouching behind Celly's bedcurtain
doing the whispering at night.
... Summer in the trees! It is time to strangle several bad poets.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:40:23
EID:eddf 203d1500
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e7f
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RJ> conquered the thunderstorm fear by climbing up a tall tree one
RJ> night in a hard storm and shouted "You want me, motherfucker?
RJ> Take me NOW!"
LB> Jaw dropping -- you mean like Captain Dan in Forrest Gump? haha!
Almost _exactly_ like Lieutenant Dan.
... It was at that point I realized...that I didn't want a pickle.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:41:24
EID:e586 203d1520
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e80
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RJ> Of course, painting yourself blue and running stark naked
RJ> at your enemy helps. Imagine what would've happened
RJ> if bagpipes could fire rockets as well!
GT> I wonder if Q has heard about this one?{g}
Which Q...oh, nevermind, I figured it out. I couldn't be
sure if you mean ST:TNG's "Q", but you meant "poison-dart
rocketlaunching fountainpen" Q.
... Some people still think you need shaving cream to use Occam's Razor.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Ignorance and immaturity continues
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:43:13
EID:76ec 203d1560
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MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e81
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FR> That's what Jim Bakker always said -- until he was caught
FR> with his dick up the ass of his body guard.
RJ> Well, I guess the guy had at least three inches of
SA> ^^^^^
RJ> Bakker's body well guarded.
SA> That's an odd way of spelling "most", isn't it?
You're on the ball today (yesterday?--many a day ago?),
aren't ya? I was thinking maybe the bodyguard was getting
a reacharound and had a few more bits to deal with guarding.
... "The shortest distance between two puns... is a straight line."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:45:15
EID:8cec 203d15a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e82
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MB> I think that what does happen is that no two women have exactly
MB> the same cycle -- they vary from 25 days to probably 35, and then
MB> there are those who aren't all that regular to boot. If you've
This woman I knew told me about two friends who had bizarre
cycles; both were barren as a result. One had all of July
to deal with her period, and the other 11 months she was OK.
The other had something like a 3 or 4 month cycle.
MB> ever seen those thingies on biorhythms, you know that when you have
MB> several things that are cyclical, but none of them on the same cycle,
MB> the cycles tend to "meet" at some point, only to gradually depart
MB> for a given length of time. People being what they are, I imagine
I think I've got three cycles to my bipolar condition--a daily
case of cyclothemia, then my 4-month moodswing, and then something
that comes up and bites me in the ass about bi-yearly.
MB> some dipshit who doesn't have a visceral understanding of mathematics
MB> would seize the moment when the cycles were "together" as absolute
MB> proof that the cycles had joined because of the physical proximity
MB> of the people involved.
Something happened! That MEANS something! God musta dunnit!
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:49:52
EID:286e 203d1620
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e83
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310b0aa6
RJ> me as well. Since I've got a few more weeks where this'll only
RJ> get worse in all likelihood, I s'pose it'd be fun to put
RJ> Gawd's Own Prozac to "the test" (ooh, sacrilege!).
PS> Good luck on weathering your mental storms.
I'm not making any plans, but I think the recent workload
(which I mentioned previously) has done something really
fantastic to my moodswing. Then again, the black dog which
was creeping around just might take a huge grab at my throat
later this week when I get the rest of this adrenaline out
of my system. Boy, it's FUN to be a Type-A++ personality!
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:52:13
EID:03b8 203d1680
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e84
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10a57557
RS> If you have email, a faster way to reach me would be at
RS> rshaw@gladstone.uoregon.edu.
Not yet. I've got Netscape, but for some strange reason,
I can't even log onto the Net to set up an account yet. I
can't even begin to describe what the problem is.
... "The shortest distance between two puns... is a straight line."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:53:51
EID:1e06 203d16a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e85
RJ> the '80s over fixating about the end of the world while I
RJ> fought the usual insomnia.
JB>
JB> Try doing it in a town that is a nuclear submarine home port. We lost
JB> our Navy base, but we still aren't safe...the nuke facility is still
JB> here.
JB>
Yeah, but at least you knew it'd be over in an instant. Since
I live about 40-50 miles from Ground Zero in New Orleans and
about 75 from Baton Rouge, I was far enough away that my nuclear
death would be hugely agonizing, and there'd be nothing I could
do but spend the last few hours screaming and burning alive from
radiation and fire.
... ... Just when you find out life's a bitch, it has puppies.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 29 Jan 96 16:43:09
EID:9b7a 203d8560
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e86
REPLY: 1:280/9 0c978f7e
DW> RB> Or even worse, he could be charged with litterin' and end
DW> RB> up on the Group W bench.
DW>
DW> With 27 8x10 color glossy photographs.
DW>
DW> He could even be forced to pick up the gar-bage in the snow.
RB> You're not THAT old, Worrell. How do you know all of this
RB> stuff? Are you a 40 year old in a 28 year old body?
Hell, I used to know all the words to "Alice's Restaurant
Massacree" when I was a mere strappin' lad of 19. The college
radio station had a few unreconstructed hippies DJ'ing and
thus the song was played almost nightly until the PD finally
told 'em to "cut it out." The song has survived the test of
time, I tell ya--a friend of mine with whom I jamsession on
occasion used to have a band when he was in highschool called
"Group W", and he's 24 now.
... "And they shall take up refrigerated serpents" --Mk.16:18 (revision)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Christian control?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:45:46
EID:6039 203e0da0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e87
REPLY: 1:135/71.0 23f7783e
RS>a way to control people, be it convincing them that god would want
RS>them to tithe or anything else.
JJ> Come on, Ryan, that does not begin to answer the question. To
JJ> say that Christianity is "politically control[ling] the masses"
JJ> requires that "Christianity" be some monolith that is directing the
JJ> central actions of the majority. Is that true?
Hmm...Christianity, Christmas, gifts in late December...let
me think.
Nonbelievers who give each other presents in late December.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Yer momma sews socks
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:04:55
EID:604d 203e1080
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e88
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31084525
DW> 24 Jan 96 14:36, Robert Jackson wrote to Luke Clark:
LC>> The ceremonies, incantations, etc. are nothing but tools with
LC>> which to focus your will.And it aint going to do shit if you sit
LC>> on your ass all day.
RJ> Sounds like another game of self-deception to me. Faith the
RJ> size of a mustard-seed...
DW> "Here, cast these spells. They'll give you anything you want. Oh,
DW> waitaminute, I almost forgot to tell you - you'll *still* have to go
DW> out and work for the shit."
DW> Is there *anything* that people won't believe in?
"Here, what you need is to attach this extra leg to your body..."
(A former religion salesman, now working for Madison Avenue)
... "The shortest distance between two puns... is a straight line."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Agnostic(ism?)
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:07:58
EID:4816 203e10e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e89
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 560f5a92
JH> I'm a Reformed General Convocation Free Will Orthodox Latter Day
JH> Pillar of Fire Reorganized Holyness Apostolic Evangelical
JH> Progressive Associate Assembly Independant Fundamental Conservative
JH> Sanctified Landmark Confession Ethical Early Afternoon of the
JH> Fourth Day Fellowship Congregational Agnostic.
KS> Northern or Southern district??
"Northern."
"DIE, heretic scum!!"
... * Origin: POLYTETRAFLUORETHYLENE! NETWORK: Slippery Plastic Jeezoids!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: satanist lays an egg.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:18:01
EID:e1b0 203e1240
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e8a
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 612154b6
JH> A few days ago I posted a handful of snippets of random quotes to
JH> Jose Gomez using the names of Santeria's Orishas in the TO: field.
JH> I did this for two reasons: (one) to show Jose how stupid a reply
JH> without a quote is and (two) to see if he actually recognized the
JH> names I was using. (Maybe he's just False Former-Santeria Scum).
I broke out snickering at each new one that came up.
JH> So, what do I find in today's mail?
JH> Steve Wallis telling Chango, the male fertility and
JH> thunder god, that he needs to accept Jesus.
I usually skim around the index before digging into this echo,
first picking out the ALL posts, etc. That was one I jumped to,
I wanted to read what a fundy had to say to a Santerian entity.
JH> (If Chango exists in some form or fashion out there somewhere, I'm
JH> sure he had as good a laugh as I did.)
Is he a bigheaded rum-drinker? Like that guy on the old
7-Up commercial?
... LOSE GOD NOW! ASK ME HOW!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:21:15
EID:096f 203e12a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e8b
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 6121765f
JB>> It hasn't been too long since the actual 'Hunley' was
JB>> found off the coast of SC. We have a model of it at the
JB>> museum here. Talk about a scary looking piece of
JB>> equipment.
PS> Now you know why the Southerners referred to it as the
PS> Peripatetic Coffin.
JH> No, I have no fucking idea whatsoever as to why anyone would
JH> call a submarine that. What does it have to go with Aristotle?
Maybe it was prone to drowning--and the inhabitants had enough
room to run around in it as they suffocated?
... I.N.R.I. - I'm Not Really Ingestible
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: maria russel in the new_world_order echo
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:43:15
EID:8aa7 203e1560
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e8c
REPLY: 1:250/820 3108f1c3
CH> On Monday January 22 1996 at 23:33, J.J. Hitt wrote to Ryan Shaw:
JJH> I have to wonder how much longer it's going to be before these
JJH> nutballs just come out and start a KKK or WHITE_POWER echo,
CH> Such an echo wouldn't last long on Fidonet. The *C beings don't take
CH> kindly to that kind of stuff anymore.
Yeah, one echo devoted to that is enough already.
... That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk--just like me.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:50:40
EID:8a4f 203e1640
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e8d
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a758e
JH> Which is exactly what Christian Miller is doing.
JH> His costume is one part polyester, and one part leather and chains.
PS> Puts me in mind of a character from "Pulp Fiction." If you've seen it,
PS> I'm sure you can guess which one.
"Bring out The Gimp, Zed."
... "And they shall take up refrigerated serpents" --Mk.16:18 (revision)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:55:18
EID:cd99 203e16e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e8e
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 612e7ef8
JH> You're right about it being a food fight, but sometimes it's
JH> bilateral format gets a little tedious. We get an occasional
JH> B'a'h'a'i' (when in doubt, accent everything) or Satanist,
JH> but I'd prefer a fully rounded diet. There are huge chunks of
JH> the religious spectrum that haven't yet been represented here.
JH>
Can I pretend to be Zoroastrian? I'll play Ahuramazda's
advocate.
... Did he just say..."splunge"?
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Female Circumcision,
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:57:58
EID:8ffc 203e1720
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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DAP>>About 3, but I never knew them well, it was a very formal
DAP>>business relationship that I had with them. This was bout
DAP>>2 years ago when I was in cash register repair.
KW> Dan, how did you know? I'm not being snide here, I'm just
KW> wondering how you came into possession of such knowledge in
KW> a formal business relationship.
JH> Cash registers are much more complicated these days than they
JH> used to be.
"Ma'am, if this was one of those old mechanical lever-pulling
deals, I'd have been finished with the repair before you
could tell me about your cliterectomy."
... "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: HEAVENLY AND DAZED
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:01:22
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SA> Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) for the canidae,
SA> it's a natural and routine occurrence. When the male
SA> ejaculates, the head of his penis expands to such an extent
SA> that the pair becomes "tied" - and there isn't much they
SA> can do about it for about half an hour.
JH> Actually it's the base of the penis and not the head.
Either way, ya gotta admit there's a certain degree of
committment involved.
... Accept no sheep imitations.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:03:47
EID:129d 203e1860
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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SW> Sounds kinda like a credit card idetification mark dont it?
JH> Nope. Sure doesn't. I've seen people who had a credit card in
JH> their hand, but I've yet to see one in someone's forehead. Most
JH> folks carry them in their purse or wallet.
JH> When was the last time you saw someone with a credit card stuck
JH> to their head? It must really hurt when they make those carbon
JH> copies (KER_CHUNK!).
Credit card, no! Playing card, si! In a game of Indian poker,
you have four cards in your hand and you stick the last card
on your forehaed so everyone else sees it but you. Then you
have to play your hand based only on what you see everyone else
has showing, and your four.
I think Prewett and Wallis, et al, are mistaken. Revelation will
be fulfilled when the Indian poker fad becomes popularized world-
wide.
... "Bother," said Pooh as he dropped another rock in his crackpipe.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:12:53
EID:970e 203e1980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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GtP> It tastes KINDA like meatloaf if you made it with ALOT of oats
GtP> and left out the ketchup. Not bad, kinda bland....will NEVER
GtP> take the place of a nice almost raw hunk of beef.
JH> Ah... that reminds me of something. I'm about to put a roast in the
JH> oven. When I bought it I had no intention of buying a roast. I
JH> didn't even go to the store with the intention of buying meat.
JH> You know you're a hopeless case when you buy a cut of meat simply
JH> because the price tag says $6.66.
Boy, you just don't know when to quit, do you? First you ask
Asmodiddley to off you with a demonic curse and then you go
cook yourself a hunk of Satanically-priced meat. Pure balls.
... "Please do not offer my god a peanut." --Apu Napeemahasapetalan
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: hi
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:16:49
EID:f410 203e1a00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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AM> The satanic bible is a book written by Anton Lavey. Who is a
AM> leader of the church of satan. He believes Satan is an icon
AM> [...]
JH> What happens when you double-click on Satan?
JH>
[Click HERE for Satanic curse from Asmodiddley]
... It was at that point I realized...that I didn't want a pickle.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:34:22
EID:2b20 203e1c40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e94
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SA> say, and not as I do". I also fail to see where "S&M and B&D"
SA> (whatever the hell B&D is - I don't think I WANT to know) and "3
B&D is Bondage & Discipline. Remember my post about German
sexshops, re: Chinese cucumber, thonged harness, and ballgag?
Something like that.
... Drop that Bible and come out with your eyes open!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: ALL
|Sub: hyuh! as *if*...!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:37:20
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JG> Steve, [Wallis]
JG>
JG> You sound like a well versed Christian. I appreciate your loving and
JG> patient attitude. It portrays the Christian personaltity (or what it
JG> SHOULD be) very accurately. May God bless you and you words, in Jesus'
JG> name...
JG>
JG> +- Jose -+
JG> ...God'll getcha!!!
ROFL!! This about as good as it gets!
... "Never turn down an opportunity to piss." -- Gen. George Patton
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 03:43:44
EID:6098 203e1d60
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RS> Heh. I guess we're lucky here in Eugene. If someone bombed us you'd
RS> have a lot of dead hippies. No on likes dead hippies.
Dead hippies aren't much fun,
They don't come when you call 'em...
... That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk--just like me.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:57:35
EID:153b 203daf20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d435c
27 Jan 96 23:07, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
DW>> Place a box on the ground. THe box should be a 4" cube and weigh
DW>> over thirty pounds. Bend at the waist to pick it up, using one
DW>> hand. It helps if you've led a rough life to begin with, and
DW>> your back isn't it the best shape already.
AS> To tell you the truth, I read that earlier, and was wondering how you
AS> could hurt your back with a thirty lb. weight. But the one hand
AS> explains it...too much weight on one side of your body.
From what the neurologist told me, I could've done the same thing if I'd
used both hands. The problem wasn't caused by the weight distribution as
much as it was the fact that I bent at the waist instead of the knees.
DW>> Both the osteo and a neurosurgeon I visted later tell me I'm
DW>> going to have to have surgery eventually. The prospect of
DW>> spending six weeks flat on my back doesn't make me very happy...
AS> I believe it. Take care, Dave.
Thanks.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:59:54
EID:aabd 203e0f60
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d7bf0
27 Jan 96 15:51, David Hilling wrote to Robert Jackson:
DH> I wish it weren't up mine. I have to get the damn things annually
DH> now. The procedure itself isn't too bad, but the purgative you have
to
DH> take the evening before is a real bitch.
If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? A friend of mine (he's my
age - 28) has prostate problems and has to have that video camera stuck
up his ass on a regular schedule too.
We tell him he's got the prostate of a man 4 times his age... :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Al
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:39:11
EID:0208 203e0ce0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d7731
28 Jan 96 08:03, Judith Bandsma wrote to Kevin D. Mckenzie:
JB> Thanks for doing that. I'm now getting mail from him in 2-3 packets
a
JB> week, but the volume is WAY off. Screwiest thing about this is that
in
JB> packets that have no mail from Al, there is also NOTHING from Hector.
Hell, that's nothing. You've seen the posts from Zayd Allebban? I saw his
*first* post. After that, I've had to rely on what other people have quoted
from his later messages.
What's so weird about that, you ask? We're both in net 3615. I can get echomail
from halfway across the world, but I can't get it from up the street.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:37:13
EID:1e58 203daca0
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 891243A1
28 Jan 96 11:22, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
RJ>> He fessed up that he jumped the gun.
DW>> Damn. I'm shocked. The question is, though, will he admit to it
DW>> next month?
MH> You wouldn't be shocked, nor would you question my consistency,
Consistency? You mean like saying that all life is sacred, except life that
is the result of rape or incest? Is *that* what you call consistency? I
think you're confused, Mikey - you obviously meant to say hypocrisy.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Christian jobs
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:39:30
EID:50c1 203dace0
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28 Jan 96 11:10, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
MH> BH>> Working from a Christian perspective, education and
MH> BH>> experience are required.
MH> 1. According to their ad, they hire for ability as well as belief.
Sure they do. Looking at the list above, though, which do you think they
consider the most important? Be honest for once, Mikey.
MH> and education. You have shown me no evidence that they put less
MH> emphasis on ability than belief.
The evidence is right before your beady little eyes. (see that BH quote
above?)
MH> 2. There are failures, mistakes and tragedies in the world of
MH> secular counseling too. Some counselors are better than others.
MH> There are many cases of "recovered memories" leading to
MH> questionable allegations which originate in non-Christian
MH> counselors' offices. That you single out the above case as an
MH> indictment of Christians only confirms your see-what-you-
MH> want-to-see approach.
Cry me a fucking river, ok? I do not single out Christians. I treat all
such fucked up shit exactly the same.
MH> 3. Christian Horizons operated the group home where the son
MH> lived. That doesn't mean that every one involved in CH had
MH> direct involvement in the case. For all you know, they could be
MH> a top-notch group that hired one lemon of a counselor.
Considering the job requirements, they'd be lucky to *not* get a lemon.
MH> 4. I never defended CH, and am not doing so now. I know nothing
MH> about them. I defended the right of Christian organizations to
MH> hire Christian people
Do you also support the right of white organizations to only hire white
people?
MH> a factor. I do think they should make sure they hire people who are
MH> qualified to do the work they are being hired for. But they have the
MH> right to require common beliefs on top of that when the job is such
MH> that what a person believes will affect his approach to it.
Please explain the extra insight that Christian counselors have, Michael.
Be specific.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:44:58
EID:1426 203dad80
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 891243A9
28 Jan 96 19:50, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
SW>>> And it's not God who send's people to hell, but rather people
SW>>> who send people to hell.
[...]
DW>> Answer the question, Steve: What is going to happen to me on
DW>> Judgement Day when I refuse to go to Hell? Since, if what you
DW>> say is true, God "sends" no one to Hell, where will I end up?
MH> It depends. Will you bow
Nope. I don't go in for your dominance games. Get with Stevie and get your
stories straight before responding.
MH> If not, hell. And God will not have sent you there. You will
MH> have sent yourself there by refusing to do what is necessary for
MH> heaven, and all your ridiculous protestation about "refusing" to
MH> go to hell will be sadly laughable.
It seems Don Martin was right on the money with his "bleacher seats facing
hell" quote.
MH> You will be trying to enter heaven on your own petty terms, not
MH> God's.
Who said anything about entering Heaven? D'ya seriously think I want to
spend eternity with fucked up people like you, Maria, and Christian? I simply
will not go to Hell unless God sends me there.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:26:50
EID:1807 203dab40
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29 Jan 96 07:08, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
GR>>> solve his own problems. It hurts to see him fail, it hurts to
GR>>> see him get frustrated, but it is worth that look on his face
GR>>> when he dusts himself off, with direction of course, and solves
GR>>> the problems. It isn't the easy way, but it is the correct way.
LB>>> George -- you just described perfectly the Christian concept of
LB>>> why God lets us make harmful mistakes (THE question flying
AS>> B-b-but-+-but that's DIFFERENT!!!
AS>> Do you think they'll EVER believe us on this one...?
DW>> Are you and Lynda trying to claim that parents are omnipotent?
DW>> Maybe you're trying to say God is no more omnipotent than the
DW>> average parent?
LB> Again, no -- but being able to do something doesn't always include a
LB> compulsion to do it -- often wisdom is in knowing when NOT to do
LB> anything.
That's all well and good, Lynda (and yes, I read all of it). Would you consider
me a good parent, though, if I let some of my children starve while others
had more than they could ever eat?
DW>> No matter how you squirm around, that omnipotence concept nails
DW>> your ass every time.
LB> As you may have noticed, I don't toss "omnipotence" around lightly.
LB> But can you explain to me why you think being able to do something
LB> somehow compells you to do it?
If we're talking about omnipotence alone, it doesn't. However, God has other
attributes, one of them being omnibenevolence. The combination of the two
does seem to compel action. Unless, of course, one of those attributes is
not an accurate description. Maybe I should have said. "... those 'omni-'
words nail your ass every time."
I agree that 'suffering' builds character. There are limits, though. Once
these limits are passed, allowing such suffering to continue when you have
the power to stop it becomes cruel and sadistic.
You human parent analogy is faulty due to the fact that when compared to
the differences in ability between Jehovah and humans the differences in
ability between parent and child are inconsequential.
LB> Particularly if you are insightful enough to see the long term
LB> liabilities as opposed to the short term benefits? Have you
LB> ever opted not to do something you were capable of doing?
Sure I have. I can categorically state, however, that if I had the power
to end starvation I would do so instantly. Am I more benevolent than God?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: creation
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:49:46
EID:5b88 203dae20
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 891243AB
28 Jan 96 19:56, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
KW>> BTW, has FIDO gone weird again, or has Maria taken a powder?
DW>> Errr... If I had to guess, I'd say both. I haven't even seen any
MH> It's also possible that she got tired of being savaged by half
MH> the echo
She got nothing that she didn't bring on herself, dipshit. I suppose you
missed the post wherein she defended Lot's decision to offer up his daughters
for gang-rape?
MH> -- including some of her fellow Christians --
"Some of her fellow Christians"? Why not just come out and say Lynda, Mikey?
Apparently, "some of her fellow Christians" are able to see past Maria's
"shiny, happy" facade into the vile pit of ooze that is her mind. Too bad
you're not one of those "fellow Christians".
MH> for simply holding unpopular opinions. (I don't agree with many
MH> of her opinions either, but I'm not so childish as to resort to
MH> personal attacks in my disagreement.)
There are times when a foil or rapier is the appropriate weapon. When the
foil is ineffective, one must bring out the hammer and mace.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Halfwits
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:02:12
EID:ccd7 203e1040
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d7c6e
27 Jan 96 15:51, David Hilling wrote to Preston Simpson:
DH> drug legalization. If they were serious about balancing the federal
DH> budget, legal weed would help a lot.
No, it wouldn't. The bozos woud just find other stupid shit (like the cow
belch study) to spend the pot revenues on.
Nothing short of nuking DC and starting over will help the budget deficit.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:58:17
EID:8ce7 203e0f40
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29 Jan 96 13:08, Shelby Sherman wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Fuck you and all the "demons" you rode in on, junior.
DW>> Curse me, chickenshit.
SS> O.K., I curse you and will turn you into a Southern Baptist. Is that
SS> bad enough?
I can see I'm going to have to commit *two* homicides when I'm next in Memphis.
:)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:35:45
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29 Jan 96 06:46, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
LB>> Yup. First of all, you'll have to have a priest, not a reverend.
DW>> The ULC will make me a priest for $5. Will my consecrations be
DW>> "real" then?
LB> No -- you'd have to bribe a bishop into doing it, and that would take
LB> a lot more than five bucks!
Hell, why mess with a lowly bishop? The ULC will make me a Pope for the
same $5. Will my consecrations be "real" then?
LB> (G) I confused Kevin with that one.
Considering Kevin's server problems, I think we should avoid confusing him
too much. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:46:04
EID:24c5 203da5c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d3356
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Which of the Staal family is in possession of the neuron today?
28 Jan 96 16:53, JIm Staal wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Steve Wallis <=-
DW>>> Bullshit, Stevie. I *refuse* to go to Hell. Does this mean
DW>>> that I'm going to Heaven? Or is God going to put me in
DW>>> Hell regardless of what I want?
JS> Yup.
So you're saying Steve Wallis is False Christian Scum since he believes
otherwise?
How are we supposed to take you Christians seriously when each and every
one of you tells a different story?
DW>> I don't serve *any* masters, groveller.
JS> Tell that to the first prick with a badge who stops your miserable
JS> butt at the wheel...
What the fuck are you babbling about, Jim-bob?
DW>> No one gives a shit, dumbass.
JS> What eloquence...
Right. Like I'd waste my time being eloquent with a man who's too fucking
stupid to look up a simple word like "onus" in the dictionary?
BTW, English major, where'd you pick up a $5 word like eloquence? I didn't
think Hooked on Phonics went in for that type of word.
'I was on my knees, doggie-style, with my feet hanging
off the bed... He pulled his jogging suit down around his
ankles and left his T-shirt on... He stuck it in and pumped
a couple of times and pulled it out... He was very easy. A
few pumps and that was it. He'd just moan, and as soon as he
got done, he'd throw the rubber in the trash, tuck it in and
walk out the door.' - Debra Murphree refering to Jimmy Swaggart
(Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:53:54
EID:24c5 203da6a0
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Which one of the varied Staal personae is in possession of the neuron today?
28 Jan 96 17:01, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> It just doesn't make any sense to me. Interestingly enough,
DW>> among my group of friends, the Christians participate in this
DW>> kind of nonsense much more often than they atheists do.
JS> Hmmm...any evidence to support this statement? I want to see the
JS> official stats and the source of same.
What kind of evidence would you like?
DW>> It seems that an ethical code that a person has put some
DW>> thought into (dare I say, reason & empathy?) is much stronger
DW>> than a moral code handed down from on high.
JS> Please state your well thought out, reasoned and empathized moral code
JS> please so we may hold you to account for it.
I have no "moral" code. If you were referring to my *ethical* code, there'd
be no point in sharing it. Why is that, you ask? Two reasons. One, you don't
have the brain power to understand it. Two, it is *my* ethical code. It
wouldn't work for you or anyone else.
'I asked him 'Do you want a date?' And he said, 'All I want
to do is jack off awhile and look at your tits.' - Debra Murphree
quoteing Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:00:33
EID:24c5 203da800
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Which one of the varied Staal personae is in possession of the neuron today?
28 Jan 96 16:48, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
RJ>> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ>> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW>> Go ride Staal some more :)
JS> Ride this!
Do you think Jesus is proud of such behavior, hypocrite?
'When I seen him on TV, I'd mostly watch his motions, just
to see how he acted. The same voice. I said 'God, what a freak.
Kinky. Here he is up there preaching for all this money and when
I see him, he's kinky and cheap.' - Debra Murphree refering to
Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:03:17
EID:24c5 203da860
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d3a7e
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a1
Which one of the various Staal personae is in possession of the neuron today?
28 Jan 96 16:36, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
JS>> That you would have to sacrifice Biblical principles to do so is
JS>> what would bother me, Lynda.
DW>> Which Biblical principles has she sacrificed, Jim-bob?
JS> Not that it is any of your business, but it would appear that she is
a
JS> bit unsure in regards to the immaculate conception and virgin birth
of
JS> Christ, the resurrection, certain aspects of the after life, to name
a
JS> few.
Refresh my memory, Jim. Who was it that said, "I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"? Hmmmm... it seems
I ought to know who said that, but I guess my memory is slipping with age.
Notice that he didn't say, "...no man cometh unto the Father, but by belief
in the immaculate conception". He also didn't say, "...but by the resurrection
and certain aspects of the afterlife".
It seems there was another saying that I should be able to remember... something
along the lines of "judge not, lest ye be judged." Who said that one, Jim-bob?
JS>> It is not my choice. I would rather communicate in a reasonable,
JS>> respectful any day. Your 'friends' here do not allow it.
DW>> Do we really have that much power over you, Jim-Bob, that we can
DW>> control how you react?
JS> You have no power at all.
I have no power at all, yet I am one of the one who "do not *allow*" [emphasis
mine] you to "communicate in a reasonable, respectful [way]." Amazing. Imagine
what I could do if I had just a little power.
DW>> So much for that "big, bad, Leroy Brown" image you try so
DW>> vainly to project.
JS> I know nothing
We already know that, Jimbo. There's no need for you to belabor the point.
DW>> Do you fuck for the glory of God, Jim-Bob? Do you take a shit
DW>> for the glory of God? Goddamned moron.
JS> You are an extremely profane man
Thank you, Jimmy. Too bad that flattery doesn't earn you any points.
JS> who lacks the ability to converse in a normal, stable manner.
As soon as you get back on your medication and return to a stable state,
I'll be happy to converse in a stable manner with you. Until such time as
you do so, however, I'd rather not waste my time.
JS> In answer to your question, yes. God created the body and when
JS> it is used in the proper manner, it is done to His glory.
I'm sure God is happy that you think of him everytime you piss.
'When I first met him, he offered $10 to jack off, and
I said 'No' and he said, 'But I'm going to do it myself.
You won't have to touch me.' And I said 'No, I won't do
nothing under $20. Even if you want to look at my titties,
you have to give me $20'. - Debra Murphree refering to Jimmy
Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:22:29
EID:24c5 203daac0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d3b50
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39c
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28 Jan 96 04:15, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Does Jimmy-boy imagine that we're concerned with the opinion of
DW>> his alleged wife (which state is it that allows humans to marry
DW>> blow-up dolls, anyway)? If she exists, she can't be too damn
DW>> bright - she married him.
JS> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave
JS> the lovely Wilbur out of it.
My statement stands, Jim-bob. Any woman who would voluntarily marry a putz
like you is not very bright. Wanna try and make me take it back?
Would you ever think about letting her watch us? - Debra
Murphree, quoteing Jimmy Swaggart asking about her nine year
old daughter. (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:59:50
EID:3546 203daf60
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d43a9
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0e0a6628
28 Jan 96 11:31, Styx Allum wrote to David Worrell:
>>SA> Isn't it nice of them to keep sending us free backup diskettes?
>> I've noticed that AOL has started sending its stuff on CD-ROM.
>> Bastards.
SA> They look neat on the wall, and make great frisbees.
Too bad I no longer take acid. I'm sure staring into the "clean" side of
a spinning CD would be *really* nice. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 00:47:50
EID:24c5 203e05e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6af1
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39f
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28 Jan 96 04:21, Jim Staal wrote to Katherine Wintersnight:
KW>> There are Pagan Masons.
JS> According to John Ankerberg, all of 'em are...
What the hell would you know about it?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 00:52:54
EID:24c5 203e0680
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6bf7
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82ce
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27 Jan 96 19:43, Jim Staal wrote to Mark Hogan:
JS>> I referencing the personal attacks that were foisted upon me the
JS>> day I walked into this place. My point was this: I can walk into
JS>> the toughest bar in the city and people don't do that.
We're scared, Jimbo. Really. Would I lie to you?
MH>> Oh, so you'd rather people duked it out, or hid behind a weapon.
MH>> I see. Good reasoning.
JS> I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely suggest that a person
JS> conduct themselves here as they would in person.
Fuck off and die, Jimbo. I can be just as abusive in person as I am here.
I have a very low dipshit tolerance, and you're one of the biggest dipshits
I've ever seen.
JS> (what's this [sic] all about?)
English major, huh? Where'd you study, Sand Flats Vo-Tech?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 00:54:51
EID:24c5 203e06c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6cb1
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28 Jan 96 17:06, Jim Staal wrote to Steve Quarrella:
JS> with vinegar and you get more out of Lump when you pull his finger
JS> than when you treat him in a rude, cutting manner.
Fuck your imaginary brother.
Oh, yeah. Fuck your imaginary wife, too.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 00:56:39
EID:24c5 203e0700
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6d12
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d5
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27 Jan 96 19:25, Jim Staal wrote to Lump:
JS> But hey, at least in addition to all the denizens of evil who told you
JS> about it, you a bro who could tell you in love.
We really don't want to hear about the incestual relationship you have with
your imaginary brother, Staalie.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 00:58:18
EID:24c5 203e0740
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6d71
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a9
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28 Jan 96 17:10, Jim Staal wrote to Zyad Allebban:
JS> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet. Some
JS> day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along side the
JS> head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.)
You wanna try it, shithead?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:00:15
EID:24c5 203e0800
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6e54
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3aa
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28 Jan 96 17:14, Jim Staal wrote to Zayd Allebban:
JS> In all seriousness, pray, Zyad. This man was written about in the
JS> Christian Bible:
Which man would that be? Let's read on and see, shall we?
JS> (2 Tim 3:6 NIV) They are the kind who worm their way into homes and
JS> gain control over weak-willed women,
Well whaddya know! The bible is talking about you! Amazing. (All this is
assuming, of course, that Wilbur [the ditzy broad] isn't some figment of
your fevered imagination.)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:03:46
EID:24c5 203e0860
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6ed7
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb398
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28 Jan 96 04:05, Jim Staal wrote to John Prewett:
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.... How many times must you be told not to confuse hatred
with contempt and disgust?
(BTW, I hold your wife in contempt, too. If she exists, that is.)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:43:22
EID:24c5 203e0d60
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28 Jan 96 18:33, Jim Staal wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> fucking stupid,
JS> Pretty, ain't it? Let's clean it up, eh?
Fuck
Fuck
Shit
Shit
Goddamn
Goddamn
Goddamn, I could go on like this all night.
BTW, your wife is a silly bitch.
'He'd ask 'Have the cops been hot?' and sometimes I'd say
'Yes' and he'd get nervous and leave. - Debra Murphree,
refering to Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:48:14
EID:62cb 203dae00
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REPLY: 1:109/601.0 310c734c
29 Jan 96 06:51, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
DW>>> doesn't want you barefoot and pregnant...
LB>> Nah -- that's YOUR gig! (G)
DW>> Who says I want you barefoot?
DW>> I had 5" spike heels in mind, actually... ;)
LB> You're *sure* you trust me with something that could be used as a
LB> weapon? ;)
Sure, you're just a woman. What harm could you possibly do? (Before you
bring up that evil harlot Loreena Bobbit, I've already planned for that
- do the words "duct tape" mean anything to you?)
:)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 02:07:25
EID:62cb 203e10e0
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REPLY: 1:109/601.0 310ccfb3
29 Jan 96 12:00, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Hector Plasmic:
HP>> That's right, Lynda! How _dare_ you ridicule fundies in front of
HP>> all these atheists! Especially when "more theologically
HP>> conservative than you" includes Mikey.
LB> (hanging my head in shame) You're right, Hector. Could you turn your
LB> back, please?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:09:27
EID:e984 203e0920
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REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21a9c
28 Jan 96 20:44, Ryan Shaw wrote to Styx Allum:
RS> Yes, Rush does show video clips. He also just shows you the video
RS> clips that he wants to. It's a shame really. Politics is now limited
RS> to 30 second sound bytes and rhetoric. That's quite a change from
RS> before...the Lincoln/Douglas debates lasted hours.
You know what I'd like to see? A show that does to Rush what he does to
everybody else. Just show video clips, but be sure to collect the worse
possible fuckups you can find.
On second thought, that show might not be such a good idea. It'd take *hours*
per day to do it right.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:36:34
EID:e731 203e0c80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d765e
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 3bef34d0
28 Jan 96 13:07, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to J.j. Hitt:
KW> J.J., Southerners are not so much liers as they are cultural
KW> professionals at the art of doublethink. They do honestly believe
KW> what they are saying without ever once perceiving the
KW> internal contradictions. Most 'Southern Ladies' can out cuss Larry
KW> Sites and out drink Marty L., and still do consider themselves to be
KW> delicate blooms of femininity. As for the men, , just
KW> wait until you run into a good ol' boy in a suit. If you don't
KW> understand the rules on a subconscious and visceral level, you will
be
KW> lost, and totally confused. But that's alright. They are so polite
KW> that they will carefully not notice that they have driven you into
KW> gibbering confusion.
'Zactly. You don't realize that's a compliment, do you? ;)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:25:35
EID:d0e7 203dab20
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d3b7c
28 Jan 96 23:41, Norbert Sykes wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Which one of you is in possesion of the solitary Staal neuron
DW>> today?
NS> I don't normally let anyone know when I steal something for my
NS> tagline file, but this is just so exceptional that I'm telling you
NS> now: it goes in the hopper! ROFLMAO...
Glad you liked it. :)
I can't take full credit, though. The concept was Fred Rice's.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:18:51
EID:76a8 203e0a40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d72a1
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 310bca8d
Talk to your sysop, Zayd - I'm not receiving your messages. You'd think
that since we're in the same net we could expect reliable communications.
I'll also let my bossnode know there is a problem.
28 Jan 96 06:49, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Zayd Allebban:
->> Have you seen me expressing any of my "beliefs", Zyad? No. You,
->> however, chose to express yours. If you don't like the reaction
->> you get upon expressing your beliefs, hopefully you'll learn to
->> keep them to yourself.
ZA>> The reason I said that you don't believe in God is the fact that
ZA>> you don't fear Him, since you did ask those two questions. If
ZA>> you do believe in Him, what belief you have is very little.
Of course I don't fear him, Zayd. Do you fear Santa Claus? I have seen no
evidence that supports the claim that Allah exists. Until I see such evidence,
I'm going to treat him the same way I treat all other myths.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 29 Jan 96 16:47:00
EID:6e96 203d85e0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to John Prewett <=-
AS> And that is VERY Biblical, John. Just ask Jesus.
I think if John were to ever meet Jesus in the flesh, he'd probably
accuse him of being a Kennedy wannabe.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: LARRY SITES
|Date: 29 Jan 96 16:50:00
EID:f30f 203d8640
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
DW> Don't feel bad - we'll never understand how women can go shopping for
DW> 6 hours and not buy anything. Or what they do with all that time in
DW> the bathroom.
I can't do that. When I go shopping I know what I want and what I want to
pay. I either find it (and for my price) or I go home.
As for the bathroom...all you have to do is unzip and go. Have you ever
tried to go while juggling a purse, 6 packages and 2 shopping bags? Especially
in a stall that's going to rub the skin off your elbows if you aren't
careful. Then deal with the numerous pieces of clothing we have to undo
in
order to go. Plus the time needed to put it all back in place once we have
finished. Think about that next time a date goes to the restroom (especially
if she's very dressed up) and you might find yourself wondering how she
managed to do it so fast.
... Please, no deja vu; I don't want to go through that again.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 29 Jan 96 17:09:00
EID:510a 203d8920
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Preston Simpson <=-
JH> No, I have no fucking idea whatsoever as to why anyone would
JH> call a submarine that. What does it have to go with Aristotle?
If you'd ever seen the full size replica of it, you'd understand. As for
Aristotle...how'd he get in here?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: [2/2] IMPORTANCE
|Date: 29 Jan 96 17:19:00
EID:2576 203d8a60
-=> Quoting Karl Schneider to Gwenny The Pooh <=-
GTP>Sell, yes, dispense, no.
KS> Er, I guess I don't see any real distinction, Gwenny....if no
KS> Rx is required, what's the difference?
The question of responsibility. If I sell you an aspirin, I don't have to
wonder if you are sensitive to it or will have a bad reaction. By purchasing
it, you take that responsibility for yourself.
If one of the girls in my scout troop comes to me and says 'I have a
headache' and I give her an aspirin, then I am taking the responsibility
for any harm that may come to that girl from taking it.
Which is one of the reasons Girl Scout leaders are NOT permitted to give
any medication to a girl without signed, written, permission and instructions
from her parents or guardian.
... Now, Here's John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: CHRISTIAN MILLER'S CHRIST
|Date: 29 Jan 96 17:38:00
EID:0512 203d8cc0
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Robert Jackson <=-
MB> what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
MB> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
Because god would answer him, 'dummy, get your directions straight...the
pills are on GEORGE'S monitor'.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: JUDGEMENT
|Date: 29 Jan 96 17:44:00
EID:6df3 203d8d80
-=> Quoting Robert Berndt to Gwenny The Pooh <=-
RB> Don't put anything in your messages that you don't want people to
RB> question or comment on, or anything that you are not willing to give
a
RB> respectable answer to.
You are an asshole.
... Robert Berndt...Condom poster child
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: ABORTION ENSLAVES WOM
|Date: 30 Jan 96 05:08:00
EID:3680 203e2900
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Judith Bandsma <=-
Missed this the first time. Ever heard Leslie Fish's "Feline
KDM> American Princess?" If not, I'll send you the lyrics.
I would appreciate that. I can't find anything by her here.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 05:52:00
EID:eb35 203e2e80
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> Lucky YOU. You see, SOME people are receiving them, and some aren't.
I thought it was pretty funny. If other people are getting the same
arrangement, they might even think you and Hector are the same person.
Things seem to be getting better on this end. There have been messages from
you 3 packets in a row now.
... Quaker threat: Pardon, brother--thou standst where I'm about to shoot.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: HELLO??
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:02:00
EID:684f 203e3040
-=> Quoting Coridon Henshaw to Judith Bandsma <=-
CH> carry netmail. If the netmail routing structure was overloaded, it
CH> should not damage echomail flow except at the local level.
I don't know about other places, but we have sysops that are just dumping
everything rather than have to deal with one overloaded segment. Lazy of
them, yes...but it does explain why mail is missing. And I don't think
ours are the only ones doing it.
... It hasss the Tagline, me Preciousss. We wantsss it, we do
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: SOUP'S ON
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:16:00
EID:3768 203e3200
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Judith Bandsma <=-
DW> I guess you just deleted the context on accident, huh? You're acting
DW> like a fundy running from a hurtful question, Judith. :)
I thought I'd try it to see if I could get away with it. How DO the
fundies here live with themselves? I mean, hell, it wasn't even FUN.
... Dear Lord, Please let me be the person my dog thinks I am. -- S. Hoff
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: FURTHER COMMENTS??
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:20:00
EID:616c 203e3280
-=> Quoting Don Martin to Damien Wellman <=-
DM> Pity he doesn't do clothes, though. Dress him up, and you could
DM> probably take him anywhere.
Not without a leash and a pinch collar. He might make a good agility
candidate though.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:34:00
EID:da6c 203e3440
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Brian Kolacy <=-
JH> (Now I sit back and wait to see who will be the first person
JH> to ask who Fannie Farmer was.)
Well, you won't get it from any of us who cook.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: RIGHT TO SALVATION
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:40:00
EID:9c62 203e3500
Left off I-26 to the 3rd light. Turn right on Constitution and follow the
blue signs.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:41:00
EID:4aaf 203e3520
So speaking he set on the hero Kebriones with the rush of a lion, that
while wasting the cattle-pens is smitten in the breast, and his own valour
is his bane, even so against Kebriones, Patroklos, didst thou leap furiously.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: JUDY...JUDY...JUDY...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:09:00
EID:d830 203e3920
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
LB> I don't think letting Judith know that mentioning you bugs you is
LB> going to keep her from doing it, do you?
Yet another name...and trying to keep it in the 3rd person even. I
wonder how long before he starts screaming to 'prove' that *the facts*
is also him. He's done that before, too. It's just another name he can
TRY to hide behind.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: ARCHIVES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:15:00
EID:ebbb 203e69e0
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Judith Bandsma <=-
MH> He raises a good point. Jim does play some games with aliases, and he
MH> does seem unstable sometimes. But other than his one cruel remark to
Plays SOME games with aliases? Do you also classify the Mississippi as
a 'creek'? Ask him if he said something. If it was posted as one of his
'alter' personalities he will deny to the death ever having said it and
call you a liar for calling him on it to boot. As for unstable...yeah.
Actually I think maybe Charles Manson is a tad MORE stable than Jim. Hell,
Walter Bartoo (who thinks he's John the Baptist, an alien named Korntron,
and god) is more stable than Jim. HE doesn't try to hide behind 65
aliases so he can deny his own words.
MH> could have been -- I've never seen him strike out at anybody with
MH> venom, as Rudzinski did in the quotes above.
Oh, 'die and fry' to everyone who disagreed with him for a month wasn't
venom? I see.
MH> He has been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty stuff, though.
How much of it did he bring on himself by trying to weasel out of his own
words? Everybody gets hit like that at one time or another here, you know
that. And you also know that the best defense against it is just to fess
up and either stand behind what you said or to re-evaluate it in light of
new
info. All Jim does is come up with a new name to continue the same old
crap.
MH> When Jim called someone a bitch, several people -- perhaps including
He's shown his attitude toward women with more than that comment. It wasn't
the word, it was the reason for it...a female telling him that he was
wrong.
MH> recently called Maria Russell a "cunt," and so far as I know, I was
MH> the only person to call attention to that.
Mail problems can account for SOME of that. Even though some of my messages
from earlier this month are now being seen, not all of them have shown up
yet.
MH> I know you despise Maria, but the principle is the same -- why use a
MH> sex-specific insult if you don't have something against the sex?
It was pretty blunt...but maybe I see it differently than you do. I saw
it
as a sledgehammer being used against a wall of ignorance. Come up with
something just as specific...and as blunt...for males, and I will use it.
Prick is about the strongest I can think of and even that just doesn't cut
it.
And then there is the fact that 'cunt' is a word I hear a lot, especially
when visiting my in-laws or whenever Leo has Dutch friends over. It happens
to be the POLITE way of saying 'ass' in Dutch. Much the way we would use
'butt' or 'rear end'. I have HAD to learn not to be embarassed by it or
to
let it affect me. Although I have to admit that the first time I heard
'je zitten op je cunt' come out of the mouth of a 4-year-old, I was rather
taken aback.
One of the biggest reasons Jim gets the shit he does is, quite simply, his
hypocrisy. Bluster, yell, scream, harangue everyone on the echo about
'biblical innerancy' and 'moral principles' but not have the backbone to
put his OWN name to everything he says. In that respect, even Prewett
doesn't get as much shit as Jim does. Didn't you ever wonder why?
... The creationists are correct... THEY haven't evolved!.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: LOVE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:44:00
EID:9f92 203e3d80
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
MH> I used the phrase because Rob had. I was just adopting his patois.
MH> It's not something I'd've come up with myself.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Mike. Hienous Blasphemers is a phrase right
out of Jim Staal.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:57:00
EID:f0ea 203e3f20
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> (Mat 7:16 NIV) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people
JS> pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
PS> Have you ever heard of the proposition that human beings are fallible
PS> and have been wrong about things before?
Actually, Preston, that is the last one I expected Jim to come up with.
Due to the fact that it puts him in such a bad light. I've always
understood that verse to say that those whose words and works engender
hatred, dissension and disgust are not to be followed. Kinda puts Jimmy
right at the head of the list, doesn't it?
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:12:00
EID:f9ce 203e4180
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Zayd Allebban <=-
RS> simply, merely four letters and only one syllabal. For such a tiny
RS> thing, it really does get you all worked up.
You should have hit him with one of the other 4-letter dirty words ending
in 'k'. Like pork.
... Bushido does not mean what it sounds like.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: FUNDIES ARE WONDERFUL FOL
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:15:00
EID:d796 203e41e0
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Judith Bandsma <=-
RS> Oh, but he's just false christian scum.
Speaking of false christian scum...I now have a working internet account.
Yesterday I restarted my subscription to the Quaker Newsgroup. Guess who
I found posting there? As soon as I can figure out how to save some of the
juicier replies, I'll bring them in.
I don't think Stevie boy is going to like the laughter he is generating
by departing from his original line to call people 'fake Quakers'.
One posted '15 minutes of silence' to him.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: IT'S TACKY TIME!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:24:00
EID:8f59 203e4300
-=> Quoting Scot Bear to Judith Bandsma <=-
SB> LOCOMOTIVE BREATH
Sorry, I'll go Scope right now. (Yeah, it works)
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: YOU WATCH YOUR MOUF...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:28:00
EID:3c24 203e4380
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Brother Jimmy <=-
SS> What do you intend to do about it, hit him with a milk crate? Be sure
SS> and give Wilbur her HeartGard Plus every month, you hear?
I hope he doesn't forget the Program, too.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:21:08
EID:a1bf 203eaaa0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 310e8bfd
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e5f
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Robert!
Veneris dies January 26 1996, Dixit Robert Jackson ad Tara Holland:
TH>> are ready to except him into your hearts...but..I will say..when the
TH>> world ends...the evil will lose and the good Lord will judge you all.
TH>> and he will judge your heart..and for those of you who fail to listen
TH>> and accept him in your hearts before that time comes..it will be you
TH>> who will burn for an eternity..in flames. I am sorry for all of you
TH>> who do not see the glory in loving the Lord. I am praying for all
of
RJ> ...and then they always wrap up the threats with a bit of lovey-
RJ> dovey sweetness about how cool and bitchin' their god is.
Makes you want to watch "Return of the Archons," doesn't it?
--- GoldED 2.50+ - Spank Our Wombats!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:22:50
EID:ffce 203eaac0
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e61
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Dies solis January 28 1996, Dixit Robert Jackson ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ>>> "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem." :)
RJ>> Ille Jesu Domine, dona es est requiem. ::))
SQ>> If I knew you weren't joking, I'd make another bet. :)
RJ> Joking about what--the flagellant's chant? That's the spelling
RJ> I've heard, and it seems to make sense: This famous Lord Jesus,
RJ> bestow upon us your rest (repose).
That's not what it says: "Ille" isn't "This," it's "The" (in the nominative).
"Domine" is vocative, meaning that you're speaking TO "the Lord." "dona"
is the imperative for "to give," "es" is "You are," "est" is "he/she/it
is," and requiem is the proper accusative for "rest."
"The Lord Jesus, give you are he is rest." is what you've got. No "famous,"
no "us" ("nobis").
"People called 'the Romans' they go the house."
RJ> What does your translation say?
Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem. "Dear Lord Jesus, grant them rest."
"Now, write it a hundred times before dawn or I'll cut your balls off."
We spent twenty minutes on this one in Latin 101. :)
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|From: John Edney
|To: All
|Sub: ?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:13:02
EID:8515 203e99a0
what is this echo about?
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: FAILURE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:39:21
EID:524e 203e9ce0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10d417d3
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61577cb9
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
JJH> On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
JJH> Today is Day NINETEEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
JJH> It is also Day EIGHT of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
JJH> Nothing has happened.
Apparently, little Asmodeus has already gone ahead to hell to wait up for
ya.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Fillibuster.
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:44:53
EID:cde6 203dad80
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61538902
REPLY: 1:271/460 310ae822
MG>> It would be simpler if he had just made us all perfect.
KM> So you would rather be a robot? To make us perfect without ever
KM> having the chance to choose it, we would have been robots, only
KM> following his will. Apparantly that is not what he wants, there
KM> must be a reason why he did not just take us to perfection, but I
KM> don't know what it is.
Do you not understand. If you are perfect, you are not a robot. Why is
it that your god cannot make us all perfect without the chance you take
giving beings free will. He is perfect, isn't he? If not, then he can't
do it, isn't all powerful and isn't god.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Metafundy redux
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:46:53
EID:780c 203dadc0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61538d1c
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 55bf987a
MG>> You could borrow my copy although it's not the best. Plays
MG>> a bit ragged on one VCR and not at all on another. Although
MG>> there is the added bonus that on the4 same tape is the
MG>> musical "Gigi" with old whatshername in her prime. Yum.
MB> Are you talking about Leslie Caron? Or Hermoine Gingold?
Leslie Caron. Had a mental block while posting. Thank Heaven for little
girls.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: HolySmoke IRC
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:49:48
EID:2b39 203dae20
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61539289
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 310ae132
LB> Do you have telnet access? If so, go via Netscape a site that
LB> has a copy of the mIRC software (it's freeware) -- you'll be
LB> able to find a listing in Yahoo, under Internet: Chat: IRC:
LB> mIRC. You'll use mIRC to set up a connection to Undernet --
LB> they have a list of available servers. The program is very
LB> simple to get connected with, and once you get in, we spend a
LB> fair amount of time helping each other figure out how to
LB> tweak it to get some of the more fun features going. When
LB> you get the software itself
Thanks. I'll work on it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:51:54
EID:ed0f 203dae60
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61539a73
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 1f801496
MB> Whatever happened to that fundy, anyway? He reminded me that
MB> there are a handful of fundies out there that still have a
MB> synapse that'll snap now and then, even if it's a misfire.
If I'm thining of the right one, he posted a bunch of stuff ont his Ron
Wyatt idiot who had "discovered" the ark and the Turkish government had
built some kind of four lane highway up to a visitor's center for ark tours
or some such drivel. I looked up "Noah's Ark" int he webcrawler and his
homepage was first ont he list, full of deception, lies and outright fraud.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: Larry Sites
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:03:10
EID:6b40 203db060
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153b2d0
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 310a7178
SB> Maria still (in this day and age) believes that poor people are
SB> lazy.
Some are. Let's not forget that Maria's "sin" is not one of conservatism
but of overgeneralization.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: Wacky Germans
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:05:16
EID:87de 203db0a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153bc25
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 310a74cc
SB> "Gunther Burpus remained wedged in his front-door
When I lived in a dorm in Austin, there was a fellow that lived across the
hall from me who had the distinction of having the largest ears int he dorm.
One day, he decided that it would be pretty funny to take the air vent off
of his door and stick his head out. Problem was that he couldn't get his
head back in.
Somewhere, there are a few polaroids of this cretin parading up and down
the hall with two guys holding the door as he tried to pry his head free.
He was finally lubed with something and the ears sprang free. But his fame
lives on.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:13:42
EID:e20f 203db1a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153caf4
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a2
SS>> That's circular reasoning, milk-crate.
JS> It makes perfect sense to me, Shelby. I'm sorry you cannot accept
JS> it. You blindly accept 'facts' from a science book that tell
JS> you that 'x' star is 'x' light years from earth, or that
JS> black holes exist, or that man evolved from an amoeba when
JS> they are all basically 'theories' as no one is/was actually
JS> there to witness the fact.
What's the speed of light, Jimbo?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:15:00
EID:4d40 203db1e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153cffe
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 111fe912
KW> Haggis is traditionally washed down with Scotch. My father's
KW> family always served the damned thing on New Year's Eve, and
KW> would get upset if everyone present didn't eat a piece.
I like piece...know what I mean..nudge..nudge...er.....wait...scratch that.
All I can say, is that I would be about twenty years ahead on the scotch
and fifty years behind on the Haggis.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:16:34
EID:a665 203db200
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153d15b
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 fc1e7de3
MG>> A moot point. Brother Jimmy S. did touch her beofre it was
MG>> all over. More than once.
MB> He also tried to talk her into bringing her 10-year-old daughter
MB> along for the next "date." I would think that THAT was the
MB> biggest sin of all.
Amen, Sister.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: CHRISTIAN JOBS
|Date: 29 Jan 96 22:17:17
EID:3368 203db220
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6153d5e7
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 0f8bd19d
MB> during business hours. I refuse to give my money to any
MB> business that uses such a cheap trick to get customers. My
MB> feeling is that if they could compete on a level playingfield,
MB> they would, but since they can't they use the cheap trick to
MB> bilk the gullible who place religious belief/dogma above
MB> good-quality service.
ANY buisness that advertises using any kind of religious symbolism gets
nothing from me. when we moved in here, I had a guy come out and cement
the mailbox in. that night, I wnet out to inspect and found xtian literature
in it. My first letter fromt he new house was an envelope to htis clown
with nothing more thant he torn up pages of his leaflet.
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|From: Zayd Allebban
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Your religion
|Date: 31 Jan 96 00:32:00
EID:cbe3 203f0400
MSGID: 000381a3
-> Exactly what is your religion and why did you choose it?
I'm a Muslim. I didn't really "choose" it, but I was born into it. But
after growing up and studying other religions, I feel that I'm extremely
fortunate to be a Muslim; and Islam is not only a religion, but a
complete way of life.
I hope to hear from you soon.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Right To Salvation
|Date: 29 Jan 96 15:26:00
EID:bc1d 203d7b40
Also refer to the Bank's Rules and Regulations for Depository Accounts
brochure for further details on the terms and conditions of deposit
accounts.
... Chill out! I'm just here for your hamster. --Death.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: When jfk walks among
|Date: 29 Jan 96 15:36:00
EID:2e82 203d7c80
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Preston Simpson <=-
SA> Phooey. I had ulcers at 16. I had my first kid at 20. I
SA> apparently don't have any grey hairs yet, but I'm working on them.
Gee, my mirror image. I was pregnant at 16 and got an ulcer at 20.
And every gray hair I have I EARNED.
... Not now . . . I have to go mow the laundry.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:57:00
EID:c804 203e3720
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> Schipol is merely the launching pad (and receiving station on
One small nit to pick...it's SchipHol (ship's hole...used to be part
of the Zuider Zee which is now a LOT smaller and called the Ijselmeer)
ML> conceivable smut-tape ever produced? That's two doors down,
ML> take a left and ask for Daave...
Have you visited the Tupperware Museum there? (For anyone else reading
this, that is not a joke. Schiphol Airport is the location for the
Tupperware Museum.)
ML> Plus...the KLM departure gate is exactly 45 meters from the
ML> Orangaboom kiosk.
Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
... Never argue with a Skunk, a Mule, or Marty Leipzig.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 30 Jan 96 14:11:00
EID:c943 203e7160
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
LB> sent Al the message privately and asked him to keep it private, he
LB> would honor your request. I don't want to see him coerced into making
I believe that of Al, too. However, I even more strongly believe in Al's
sense of truth and his compassion. I don't believe he would allow this to
lay any more than he would the admission of murder from another participant
here if they asked him to keep it private.
It is in the same vein as your disagreements (prior) with Mike. What good
would an apology have done in netmail when the shots were taken in public?
... Dear Lord, Please let me be the person my dog thinks I am. -- S. Hoff
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:40:00
EID:c804 203e3d00
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> complaining about the technology...use the Dutch PAY PHONE system?
ML> Schipol is merely the launching pad (and receiving station on
I just figured that seeing that, you'd realize I can handle most anything.
Or have you never tried to USE the Dutch pay phone system? (Leo's a native,
and HE has trouble with it.)
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:43:00
EID:2373 203e3d60
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Preston Simpson <=-
ML> AOL really pisses me off with their censorship. I write them
ML> letters verging on what is sometimes seen on HolySmoke, but
ML> only get the most sweetness and light answers. Unfortunately,
ML> the answers have nothing to do with my questions...
At least you should be used to that, after being HERE for so long.
... Confucious say.."men who read women like books, prefer braille!"
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List -
|Date: 30 Jan 96 07:54:00
EID:5f55 203e3ec0
-=> Quoting Zayd Allebban to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
ZA> If I were to follow the regular message format, I should cuss about
ZA> ... now. And now. And now. And now. And .......
This is a first. Last Muslim we had here flat out refused to answer any
posts from females. Gave some passages from the Koran stating that a
woman should never directly address a male she doesn't know well. How
much truth there was to the passages, I have no idea...don't have a
Koran in the house.
He was rather more stupid than your average christian fundamentalist.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: GOD gives HEAD
|Date: 30 Jan 96 10:46:00
EID:4e18 203e55c0
-=> Quoting David Hilling to Judith Bandsma <=-
DH> people off on PhileoNet Social Issues), I 've already chosen my
DH> candidate.
DH> ... Gingrich in '96... CANDACE Gingrich.
Ok, for the complete ticket...Gingrich and Gravy? What kind of a reaction
do you think that one will get?
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: AL
|Date: 30 Jan 96 10:50:00
EID:373a 203e5640
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
AS> No one has piped up and said, "We must have run him off!" or "Another
AS> one bites the dust!")
Well, the ones that bite the dust are the ones who have their heads
closest to their asses anyway. (So close it's sometimes hard to tell
which is which.)
got a new service provider. A bit more than I wanted to pay but unlimited
access. Hopefully I have the chat program set up to get to HS IRC. Will
try it out tonight.
jbandsma@concentric.net
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: RATTLE...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 10:54:00
EID:8b67 203e56c0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jim Staal <=-
AS> disadvantage among the average reader here. It's making you seem MORE
AS> ignorant than you could be.
That's one of things that bothers me about Jim. Why in the world would
ANYONE **want** to look ignorant and/or uneducated if they aren't? To
score 'points'? Seems to me it only puts him in a very negative category.
Why would someone want to flaunt their ignorance?
... Ignorance has great job security.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:06:00
EID:983e 203e58c0
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Mark Hogan <=-
DW> cunt (I just had to say it again)
Well no wonder you can't get one of your own.
Ah hell, for all of Mike's bitching about it being such a disparaging
word, I just realized why it doesn't affect me like it does most women.
(It used to)
The word 'cunt' in Dutch is the POLITE word for 'ass'. I think that one
and
the word 'douche' (shower) were the 2 I had the hardest time getting used
to hearing a lot.
... At least the doctors find me fascinating...
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit Lis
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:36:00
EID:0b7b 203e6480
-=> Quoting Norbert Sykes to Jim Staal <=-
NS> At last, evidence of bigotry! WHAT exactly is wrong with being
NS> Polish?
Their sausage is bigger than his?
... Unzip, expand, explode... What pervert came up with this?
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 14:05:00
EID:4e96 203e70a0
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to The Facts. <=-
RS> almost be my grandfather. You act like the four year olds taunting
RS> each other out on the playgrounds.
I guess he thinks I'm going to let up on the issue of his (dis)honesty
with crap like that. He's wrong.
I've got a new cuss phrase for those who don't use 'Jesus Christ' and 'Oh
God' for expletives. How about 'Staal's Balls!'
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 30 Jan 96 14:08:00
EID:e7a8 203e7100
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Judith Bandsma <=-
SQ> I get a gag reflex just thinking about eating tuna fish out of a can.
Well, smoked eel is black and has the consistency of tough Jello...kind
of
squishy when you try to pick it up. And they don't take the head off, so
the damned thing is laying there LOOKING at you.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #33
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:32:13
EID:40da 203e7c00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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RJ> Nah. She could be one of the better ones on this echo if
RJ> y'all give her a fighting chance. Then again, maybe not.
DW> I was willing to until she dug in her heels where Miller is concerned.
We need to get her brother participating in here--he seems to
give her a good dose of holy smoke himself.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:18:28
EID:78f2 203f0a40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0982
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RJ> And you don't even have to "suck up" to realize Steve is one
RJ> of the more beknightedly unintelligent people to appear
RJ> was a blast. I often had to jump out of my chair and
RJ> pace the room a couple of times before figuring out how
RJ> to reply to some of his nuggets of whizdumb.
DW> You too, huh? Glad I'm not the only one.
Sometimes you run across people on the net (when you'd really
like to run across them with a Peterbilt) who you simply can't
believe they're serious. But then, when the realization com-
puters have become so democratized in the '90s dawns, you have to
just accept the fact there are thousands of Genuine Morons
who have joined the computer age in droves.
... "God doesn't exist, and Mary is his mother." --James Joyce
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HEAR HERE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:39:05
EID:e278 203e7ce0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0983
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RJ> But still, I've got a goldmine of a question here. At the
RJ> least, it'll really show you who's examining their faith, and
RJ> who's just parroting some kneejerk fundy hate-rhetoric out
RJ> their ass.
JS> Hmmm...missed it. Could you reiterate?
The Preterition. How do you explain the existence of *millions*
of people, or "souls", who live or have lived their entire exis-
tence without ever having heard the word of salvation, simply
because Jesus' ministry only made headlines in a couple of small
Roman provinces in the Mideast. As a result, that small message
has taken two millennia to make its way across the globe, and
even STILL, there are people who never get to hear the message.
What about the preterite? What about the multitude of people
who were created solely for the purpose of being hellfodder?
... Did he just say..."splunge"?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: SATANIST
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:51:21
EID:8a7d 203e7e60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0984
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a7
JS> has Satanist leanings... ? I wouldlike to hear that. You gotta
JS> .wav file on that? :) Also appreciated the 'something in the wind
A .wav of what? Oh, a cackle? I could probably find one.
JS> afoul' verse to some one a while back. Are you a lyricist?
Not many lyrics yet. So far, I've got a notebook of guitar
chord progressions that I plan on turning into about 20-60
songs, depending on how I choose to group them. Lyrics will
come later. Mainly, I'm working on a novel, so that's where
the odd syntax and prose comes from.
... It was at that point I realized...that I didn't want a pickle.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Potables, potent and potential.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:55:12
EID:b1af 203e7ee0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0985
SQ> Ever notice that Bobbie and George Burns share the same birthday (And
SQ> 1/20 was the day my BBS began life back in '92)? Shoot, it's been
SQ> about four years since I last went out on 1/20 in my kilt to have a
Robert Burns' b-day is on the 25th.
SQ> shot of Drambuie. I suspect that if I did this in Texas, the shot would
SQ> be from a rifle held by some redneck who expected he was shooting at
a
SQ> "long-haired, dress-wearing -faggot.-" :-/
So many people forget their roots, I guess. The dumbass redneck
who would take a shot would probably be MacSomethingorOther, too.
SQ>
SQ> I've had haggis...like most food from the UK, it's pretty bland. The
I think that's why I'd cook one up myself--I'd go heavyhanded
on the thyme and rosemary.
SQ> thought of what you're eating is more revolting than the food itself,
SQ> FWIW. I much prefer the Sicilian side of my heritage when it comes
to
SQ> cuisine. :)
Zackly! 'Course, that's why so much of the Italian influence
on American cuisine is heavy on the red sauce--Sicilians and
Neapolitans. Up north they still go with the lighter foods,
like olive oil and parmesan to flavor pasta dishes.
Yeah, that reminds me of something--a highschool buddy of my dad's
is Italian (is Romano a Sicilian name?)--and they have a Secret
Family Recipe for lasagna where they cook the sauce on the
stove for _two days_ and the stuff is like this DEEP DARK shade
of *purple* by the time it's ready. No one outside the immediate
family is allowed to know what goes into it. If I've tried it,
it was so long ago I can't remember, but my mother assures me it's
about the best lasagna ever.
... Guinness: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Shinehead O'Connor
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:05:00
EID:19a8 203e80a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0986
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RJ> Gotta admit, I got a bit of a chuckle out of her stunt on
RJ> SNL. Until almost a day later, I had forgotten that there
MH> I applauded the audience's stunned silence. While I understand
Yeah, that was interesting. I couldn't tell whether they were
just "awed" by the performance, or if they were in shock at
the stunt--being that no one started booing (or did they maybe
kill the mikes in the studio?).
MH> Sine-Aid has serious disagreements with the Catholic Church, respect
MH> is still not entirely out of style -- even in New York.
It was funny when Joe Pesci did his monologue the next week
and mentioned it; "If I was here...oh, I woulda gave her
such a smack!"
... Summer in the trees! It is time to strangle several bad poets.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: HEAR HERE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:08:22
EID:1cb2 203e8100
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0987
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RJ> Good response. I imagine it'll be the best one I'll hear
RJ> on this subject from anyone.
MH> Well of course. It comes straight from the Source. :)
Yeah, but how many people do you see on this echo who would've
even found a quote of scripture they could have tried using?
RJ> just that February is one of the three parts of the year where
MH> ^^^^^^^^
MH> Unless you're in a *really* different time zone, it's not February
MH> yet. :)
Not quite yet, but I start sinking in late January, and it takes
me about all of February to work through it. My thrice-yearly
depressions usually come towards the end of one month and last
through the next one.
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:12:25
EID:f8df 203e8180
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0988
RJ> Take me NOW!" For the fear of rats, he killed one and ate it;
AS> Ugh. Don't try that one at home, kiddies. Germs...
He said he cooked the thing over a fire for a couple of hours
to make sure he killed everything in it; said it was the most
awful, toughest thing he ever ate.
AS> Well, yeah, to a certain extent. On the other hand, if I catch MY son
AS> doning anything so foolish as climbing a tall tree during a
AS> thunderstorm, what he is going to admire is going to bed an hour
AS> earlier every night, and going without his allowance for six months.
Yeah, there's just something about parents not liking their
kids out during t-storms. Hey, can we help it if that's
where we have to be to look at the lightning in the sky?
... If you're too tense, why not reduce it to one fifth?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAR HERE
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:27:32
EID:1c5a 203e8360
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0989
RJ> Good response. I imagine it'll be the best one I'll hear
RJ> on this subject from anyone.
AS> Thanks.
I know I _personally_ will cut you more slack in the future
on topics of debate.
RJ> just that February is one of the three parts of the year where
RJ> I lose a lot of energy and concentration and I can't think as
RJ> clearly or as thoughtfully as I'd like.)
AS> Too busy thinking about Valentine's day or too depressed by all the
AS> snow...no wait, you're in Louisiana, you get even less snow than I
AS> do.
Nah, *especially* not V-day--I have an even leaner romantic life
than David Rice, and that's not an exaggeration. What I get in
late-January through Feb is a trough of depression, one of three
I get regularly each year.
AS> (because there ARE scriptures that say the only way to the Father is
AS> through Jesus---but does that mean one must be a Christian to reach
AS> God, or that Jesus decides who is to reach God, of whatever faith?)
I
AS> wouldn't worry about it. You should get a diversity of answers.
What I'm rather expecting is that I'll get a *few* diverse
answers and a lot of very similar answers.
RJ> 'Course, Aquinas also said one of the joys of Heaven is to
RJ> view the suffering of sinners in Hell. He doesn't sound
RJ> like the best guy to talk on this particular subject, IMO.
AS> There's that. C.S. Lewis, then?
Or, Thomas Jefferson? Assuming he, deist that he
was, though emulating some of the lessons of Jesus was a way
of living a proper life, much the way Buddhists consider Buddha
to be only a perfect role model, not a god or deity. It's one
reason why many people consider Buddhism an agnostic religion.
I suppose Christianity is practiced by many people as an agnostic
religion--but perhaps nowhere near as many as say, Jewish agnostics.
... "Please do not offer my god a peanut." --Apu Napeemahasapetalan
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:36:31
EID:2208 203e8480
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f098a
RJ> Yeppers, that's right foax--I assert that Mother Theresa is
RJ> a human maggot of the first magnitude. She is exactly what
RJ> is WRONG about what people admire in "humanitarianism". She
RJ> thrives on the festering sores on the human spirit.
AS>
AS> I would have less respect for her if she voiced the anti-birth
AS> control views and then DIDN'T try to help the victims of
AS> overpopulation.
I think she does more harm than good, because she keeps people
healthy enough so they can just keep having more impoverished
children. There's no attempt to correct unhealthy attitudes.
RJ> I suppose that's why you don't see all that many Quakers and
RJ> other congregationists swamping the headlines with bad press,
RJ> or with people even within the flock sneering at the spiritual
RJ> leader of the group. Not much heirarchy to set oneself up as
RJ> The Big Cheese Who Must Be Awed.
AS>
AS> Also, they are not a major segment of our society, which makes a
AS> difference.
Well, there aren't many Pentecostals in our society, but they
seem to collect an inordinately large segment of bad press.
... Ven der putz shteht, ligt der sechel in drerd.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Fof
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:39:45
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KDM>> So, does Popeman have a sidekick?
RJ> Yeah, ALTARBOY Fearless Defender of the Faith,
RJ> with his Super Zap-O-Censer, which discharges a noxious
RJ> gascloud of holy smoke at The Evil.
DW> ALTARBOY, F.D.O.F? Didn't you forget about his permanently lubed ass?
That's to be seen in a half-page action splashpanel in Issue #2.
... What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us! - Pope Leo X
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:41:09
EID:01e3 203e8520
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f098c
DH> Why is it that antidepressants always seem to have such a depressing
DH> side effect? I haven't noticed any problem with the Zoloft yet, but
I
DH> do recall having that problem with Tofranil back in the late '70s.
(Here we go, you'll see something interesting happen on the
echo after I say this) I quit all my meds almost two years
ago. I was on lithium for two years, and tried about 10
antidepressants--all of which either didn't work, or didn't
work and had negative side effects. I figure with that level
of failure in prescription, I should save the $150/mo. in meds,
not deal with weight gain, hairloss, or any of the other things
that didn't exactly improve my spirits--which is what taking
the stuff was s'posed to help.
DH> What pisses me off is that my condition (anxiety disorder) can be
DH> efectively controlled by Xanax or Atavan, but apparently these are no
DH> longer politically correct.
Did they ever put you on Klonopin or Atenolol, or perhaps
Buspar? The doc tried all three of those on me, since it
seemed I was suffering from that as well.
... Ven der putz shteht, ligt der sechel in drerd.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:47:03
EID:2d6f 203e85e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f098d
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RJ> To keep to the spirit of cross-x'ing belief qua belief?
RJ> Sticking to badgering just one religion smacks of favoritism.
GtP> Which belief of mine do you suggest he badger??? The only "belief"
GtP> ya'll have been able to pin me on is the belief in my breasts.....this
GtP> could get interesting.
Well, you *did* say you were going to get a .gif out...and of
course, it'd then be hard to "believe" something we'd have
"proof" of.
... "And they shall take up refrigerated serpents" --Mk.16:18 (revision)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 30 Jan 96 16:49:46
EID:39fe 203e8620
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f098e
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GtP> You supply everything else. At the least, you will need a tent, a very
GtP> warm sleeping bag (built for two if you intend to dally), food,
Check. Halfcheck. Check.
GtP> personal hygiene stuff and homebrew (since I expect you'd want to
Check. Pending.
GtP> attend the Brewer's Gatherum). Extra money is optional, since I
That sounds worth my while. I was talking to Starwyn the other
night about it, getting an idea of how much "secular" activity
could be discovered.
GtP> about...it's a nice way to start the day. But then, I don't have
GtP> testicles and pagan men NEVER complain about hard nipples.
Neither has this atheist...but then, I haven't put my eye out
on one yet.
... Quick and painless...or slow and lingering?
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: HEY! CHICKENSHIT!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:04:22
EID:d01c 203e9080
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f098f
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RJ> to 11 days. Does Luke Clark count as a Satanist--I'm not
GtP> No, he does Thelema. And I think he's stood up to youse guys pretty
GtP> good. I didn't give him long when he first came on.
Yeah, he holds his ground well. I _think_ it was Clark, or
maybe it was Bethell, but I thought I remembered one of them
talking about some pretty bizarre stuff that reminded me of
SewAge Crystalweenism.
Now, Thelema--is that a Crowleyan thing?
... Why does a hearse horse snicker when he carries a lawyer away? --CS
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: FRED PHELPS
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:18:32
EID:8629 203f0a40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0990
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RJ> Woodruff? What sort of flavor is that?
GtP> It's what they flavor May Wine with....interesting.
I've been thinking of how I want to do up my first batch of
mead once I get the equipment. How does this sound to you:
a raspberry hippocras, spiced with ginger root, lemonjuice and
peel (to add a little acidity and stability), a short stick
of cinnamon, and mmmmaybe a little dash of smoke to give it a
bit of unexpected oomph. If I don't use smoke, I'll use a
selection of roasted whole grains. Dark, smoky, spicy--
raspberry mead. Sound tasty?
GtP> I think we need to ditch the HolySmoke Get-together and just do a
GtP> HolySmoke Brewer's Gatherum.
That'd work--but if they're doing that at DFest... :)
... And malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to Man.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:35:19
EID:da4b 203e9460
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0991
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c1188
GtP>> the last piss of the night and the first piss of the morning?
RJ> The longest one of the day would suffice.
GtP> But I'm a setter, not a pointer...all mine are same length....
ROFLMAO!!
RJ> ... Ginger or Mary Ann -- Which for you?
GtP> Definitely MaryAnn.
"Ginger was a bimbo."
"Mary Ann...or Jeannie?"
"Jeannie!"
... Quaker threat: Pardon, brother--thou standst where I'm about to shoot.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:36:55
EID:9689 203e9480
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0992
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310c11bb
RJ> But I have to wonder what sort of decisionmaking was going on
RJ> with parents and doctors that would allow a 5-yo to carry a
RJ> child to term, besides the obvious questions, that is.
GtP> This happened in South America a couple of decades ago....they were
GtP> Catholic.
Say no more. :-I
Sounds like the plot of a Gabriel Garcia Marquez novel.
... Send lawyers, guns and money...the shit has hit the fan.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: 325
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:38:23
EID:d418 203e94c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0993
REPLY: 1:273/203@fidonet.org 1e8906f1
RJ> Anyway, Judy Tenuta is a strange amalgam: an
RJ> accordion-playing Jewish princess dressed like Courtney Love,
RJ> with a voice like a screech-owl, and a disjointed monologue
RJ> that ranges from the freakish twists of the mundane a la Emo
RJ> Phillips to the raving performance art of early Steve Martin.
BN> Don't forget a couple of dashes of Andy Kaufman. He could out-wierd
BN> ME.
Looking at his short career in retrospect, you can really
see his humor in more objective terms--DAMN! he had some
bizarre comedy ideas. Y'know, at the time the public wasn't
quite as cynical as they are now, so they were a lot more
sensitive about being played along. Those talkshow appearances
where he got into physical confrontations, a time when he
wrapped up his talk segment with a sob story about being thrown
out by his wife and started begging the audience for a couple
of bucks after the show--he had to have big brass balls to pull
a lot of that at the time. It seems as though he tried to manip-
ulate the audience to find the _exact_level_ of bullshit they
could take--to set out deliberately for his act to die onstage,
and then pull it right out of the jaws of defeat.
... Life's Great Irony #146: Turtles have a drag coefficient of .03
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:46:14
EID:a5a7 203e95c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0994
ML> And scotch has the added bonus of humic acid and fish piss.
ML>
RJ> Don't diss humus--it's the stuff of life.
ML>
ML> Rotting vegetal matter or Middle Eastern side dish?
The rotting stuff. The chickpea dip (I make that stuff and
eat it by the bowlful) is called hammus.
... Guinness: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Potables, potent and potential.
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:18:34
EID:5964 203f0a40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f0995
RJ> "oiliness" from the herbs and/or coloration?
ML>
ML> Crisp and clean as a Siberian morning. Not a trace of oilyness
ML> nor unctuity, but some does have a sharp herbal *twang*. With
ML> your Pynchonian penchant for oddly flavored potables, this will
ML> be right up your street.
Sounds great. I presume it's only to be drunk in the Russian
manner--ice cold shotglasses? Forget even adding icecubes to
a glass for sipping.
RJ> Nah, the aqvavit was *great* (although I don't really like
RJ> the varieties with dill--just pure caraway for me).
ML>
ML> I like the dill varieties *once* in a great while.
I bought a bottle with the dill flavoring, which gave the aqvavit
a light golden brown tint. It wasn't bad, but the dill just
drowned out the caraway, which was a really nice plain, clean flavor.
ML>
ML> I like sushi a great deal, but I draw the line at sea urchin
ML> roe. Not too bad of a smell, but the texture and coloration
ML> reminiscent of newborn excrement was just too much for this
ML> Daddy-O to handle...
If Baby Huey was eating marshmallows and chewing gum.
... Acapulco Gold--Just A Stony Three Hits Longer!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:11:43
EID:42dd 203f0960
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310f099c
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310c9d38
RB>DW> RB>> Or even worse, he could be charged with litterin' and end
RB>DW> RB>> up on the Group W bench.
RB>DW>> With 27 8x10 color glossy photographs.
KM> All right. What the *fuck* are you talking about?
DW> "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant (excepting
DW> Alice)"
DW> Run down to your local music store and look for Arlo Guthrie (make
DW> sure you get a CD with Alice's Restaurant).
And "The Significance of the Pickle" as well...
... It was at that point I realized...that I didn't want a pickle.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Charles Rollins
|Sub: Cussing
|Date: 28 Jan 96 17:07:32
EID:2bbe 203c88e0
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bad7d
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31040dac
CR> I guarantee you one thing. You won't use that smut of what
CR> you call a language on WV_TALKS because you will be kicked
CR> off because profanity over the fidonet is against the rules
CR> of ALL echos.
Cite the section of policy 4 that bans profanity.
Do you even know what policy 4 *is*, cretin?
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|From: The Real True Jesus Christ
|To: Jesus Christ (the real one)
|Sub: Jesus's Birthday
|Date: 28 Jan 96 17:20:54
EID:4198 203c8a80
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bb0d5
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31044555
On Tuesday January 23 1996 at 02:17, Jesus Christ (the real one) wrote to
Jesus Christ:
JC>>> I am the One, True Jesus. I even have the sombrero to
JC>>> prove it.
JC>> Oh yeah?
JC>> Well, how do you explain these NOODLES?
JC> I curse your False Noodle Scum in the name of Myself
*I* will do the cursing 'round here, upstart. Now get back to torturing
those non-Christians before I toss you into the Other Place.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Dark
|Date: 28 Jan 96 18:21:04
EID:eb12 203c92a0
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bbf17
On Thursday January 25 1996 at 09:07, Brad Jackson wrote to All:
BJ> Greetings One and All!
BJ> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
BJ> I would like to share it with you to save you time looking it
BJ> up.
As I read your post, I was reminded of the following verses:
Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones
against the stones.
[Loving religion, you say?]
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[Loving religion, you say?]
Numbers 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
[Loving religion, you say?]
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature.
[Have you tried to preach to the Polar Bears yet, dipshit?]
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned.
[Does this mean that Hitler is in heaven but Ghandi is in hell?]
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall
they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 They
shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall
not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
recover.
[Are you ready to drink yet, jeezoid?]
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 28 Jan 96 20:43:54
EID:9e77 203ca560
MSGID: 1:250/820 310be018
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 610c6ff7
Wednesday January 24 1996 12:19, J.J. Hitt wrote to Jose Gomez:
Only the pink ones.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:28:02
EID:880b 203cab80
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bea93
REPLY: 1:280/9 0c978f86
On Wednesday January 24 1996 at 00:51, Rob Burcham wrote to Jim Staal:
RB> Jim Staal: dark and friendless place
RB> Jesse Jones: hell hole
Religous meatgrinder.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 21:45:02
EID:1bdb 203cada0
MSGID: 1:250/820 310beea3
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3106accf
On Wednesday January 24 1996 at 17:03, Preston Simpson wrote to Jim Staal:
PS> As soon as you learn to accept the fact that just because I'm not your
PS> friend does not automatically mean that I am an enemy who seeks to
PS> destroy you and your children so that your kind will breed no more,
PS> then you'll do a bit better.
Mind you, this *IS* Staal you're talking about. The world would be better
off if his kind didn't breed.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Black-light religions
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:08:10
EID:42d3 203cb100
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bf425
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a020549
On Wednesday January 24 1996 at 23:27, Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote to Coridon
Henshaw:
JH>>> I've got five dollars that says he wouldn't recognize a
JH>>> soldering iron if it was stuck up his ass.
DW>> Not even if it was on?
CH>> Not even if it was on. Heat doesn't travel too well in a vacuume,
CH>> you know...
KDM> That would be if they stuck it in his *ear*, not up his ass.
Considering that so many idiots have their heads up their asses, who's to
say the orafaces aren't concentric?
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Holiday greetings...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:09:58
EID:3895 203cb120
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bf44c
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a02058d
Arm the idiot-seeking missiles.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: off-topic totally
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:40:08
EID:80df 203cb500
MSGID: 1:250/820 310bfb73
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a020615
On Thursday January 25 1996 at 18:38, Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote to Todd Andlar:
TA>> well if you guys ARE then how come 50 msgs from one of my
TA>> users totally got ignored? this isn't making much sense to me :(
KDM> Go look up the word "humor" sometime, OK?
Net250 sysops aren't known in for smarts, but this guy takes the cake...
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Holiday greetings...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 22:58:18
EID:2326 203cb740
MSGID: 1:250/820 310c000e
REPLY: 1:157/200 3a02058d
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:21:48
EID:8a03 203da2a0
MSGID: 1:250/820 310d2cd4
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3107eaef
Thursday January 25 1996 15:41, Preston Simpson wrote to Steve Wallis:
JH>> Have any evidence of either?
^^^^^^^^
SW>> Read your Bible for proof of God. Open your eyes, breath a breath
^^^^^
Why do you fundies always read 'e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e' as 'p-r-o-o-f'?
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Judgement
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:07:56
EID:6648 203da0e0
MSGID: 1:250/820 310d2943
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3107eaf0
Thursday January 25 1996 15:41, Preston Simpson wrote to Steve Wallis:
SW>> It says in the Bible that God created man. You are here. You
SW>> therefore have your external proof.
It says in the Koran that Allah created man. You are here. You therefore
have your external proof.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Halfwits
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:09:24
EID:4dc2 203da120
MSGID: 1:250/820 310d29af
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3107eaf2
On Thursday January 25 1996 at 15:41, Preston Simpson wrote to David Hilling:
PS> Incidentally, I've heard that British Columbia has legalized marijuana
British Columbia as in BC, Canada?
That's kind of odd, because (AFIAK) drugs are a federally-controlled matter
in Canada.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: forgiveness available
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:12:22
EID:7d78 203da180
MSGID: 1:250/820 310d2ae2
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On Thursday January 25 1996 at 19:40, Hector Plasmic wrote to Dan Ceppa:
DC>> Doens't matter all that much, just as lone as it's cone shaped...
HP> You've been glodbreged.
HP> \ /
HP> \ Light /
HP> \ cone /
HP> \ /
HP> Staal \ / Staal
HP> \ /
HP> \ /
HP> \ /
HP> \/
Ground_________________________
foot
foot
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: FOF update
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:25:24
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REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31078d20
On Thursday January 25 1996 at 14:00, David Worrell wrote to Styx Allum:
SA>> Isn't it nice of them to keep sending us free backup diskettes?
DW> I've noticed that AOL has started sending its stuff on CD-ROM.
DW> Bastards.
You mean you have enough coasters?
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:32:50
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On Thursday January 25 1996 at 01:47, David Worrell wrote to J.J. Hitt:
DW> it shouldn't be long until a similar device [PGPphone] is developed
DW> that can be attached directly to the phone itself.
Yeah, it's called the clipper chip. Perhaps you've heard of it.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: QUESTIONING ALL BUT
|Date: 29 Jan 96 20:44:08
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On Friday January 26 1996 at 03:31, Robert Jackson wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
RJ> If only for the reason that ST extremists simply HAVE to find
RJ> things they can argue over to the point of schism.
The reason that Star Trek fans argue so much is that there are two major
groups. There are the soft-scifi types who just want a story, and there
are the hard-scifi types who want a story, but don't want the transporter
to function differently from week to week.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:51:10
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On Sunday January 21 1996 at 15:40, Preston Simpson wrote to Coridon Henshaw:
PS> News flash: I got a nice new system, especially crippled for Windows
PS> 95.
Those cheap DSP-based soundboards/modems are real pains, aren't they...
You should have had your system built to spec, as I did. You end up saving
a bundle because you don't get hardware that you don't need.
Elsewhere, you said:
PS> And am merrily banging away on my new system. It took me three days
to get
PS> the hardware done the way I wanted it done, and there's still a minor
PS> bug (no CD sound since I can't connect the player directly to the card
PS> with a 40-pin connector. Any ideas?)
You need a seperate 2-4 pin cable connected to your sound board and your
CD-ROM to get audio. These cable's aren't standard, so you'll have to look
at the manual for your sound board and your CD-ROM and get a cable that
has the proper connector styles and pinouts at both ends.
PS> The rest of the system is new, and it's very, very nice. (16 meg of
PS> memory, 120 MHz Pentium, 2 gig hard drives [one salvaged from the
PS> old machine], et cetera)
Jeeez, I just my 1 week old SCSI 1GB hard drive die on me last Wednsday,
reducing my storage capacity back 785MB. Fortunatly, I had backups so I
only lost 20MB of file-echo traffic...
Moral: get a tape backup drive soon and use it.
I assume you know enough about FAT not to make each drive one partition?
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: FUNDAMENTALISTS R US
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:50:36
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char *trim(char *str);
char *FmtOS2SysErrorStr(int code, char *buffer);
int FileCompare(char *file1, char *file2, int flag);
int CalcFileCRC32(char *filename, long *crc32);
int CalcFileMD5(char *filename, char *md5);
int patmat(char *raw,char *pat);
unsigned long GetFileList(gflPackTag *info);
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:50:54
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typedef struct
{
char *path;
char *filemask;
fileindextag *fileindex;
gflTotalTag *Total;
void(*update)(char *directory);
void(*filecall)(char *filename, FILEFINDBUF4 *FindBuffer, void *fcExtra);
void *fcExtra;
unsigned long maxfile;
short recurseflag : 2;
short scansubs : 2;
short storelist : 2;
short errorclass : 4;
long errorcode;
} gflPackTag;
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:18:00
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Saturday January 27 1996 11:12, Preston Simpson mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
DW>> No, Ken, we can't. Where's our evidence, you ask? Got a mirror?
KM>> Where's your evidence that a God who can ANYTHING doesn't exist?
PS> "There is a world-wide conspiracy that controls *everything*."
PS> "Huh. Where's your evidence?"
PS> "It's being hidden by the conspiracy, of course."
Preston,
You didn't answer the question Preston.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Judgement
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:18:01
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Saturday January 27 1996 13:20, Mark Hogan mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
MH>> So, you're simply saying the Bible is your -sole- piece of
MH>> evidence that 'God' exists. Sorry, we've played this game before.
MH>> No proof, no god.
KM>> The scriptures is all the evidence that one needs. Is it my only piece
KM>> of evidence? No, not really, I have seen God's work many times. I've
KM>> seen the answer to prayer that some here say they never saw while they
KM>> were trying to be Christians. I've seen the changes in myself and in
KM>> others because of God. No Mark you saying "No proof, no god" does not
MH> Can't people be moral, and not believe in any specific religion?
MH> I find your implications farcical.
Said nothing about morals.
KM>> cut it with me. *Your* just like a *jurior* that does not believe
MH> That's "you're," and "juror," respectively.
Thank you.
KM>> evidence. Just because YOU do not believe it, does not make it so.
KM>> *Your* not the final authority on what is true or not. You cannot
MH> "You're."
Thank you.
KM>> *dispell* *God* just by saying, it ain't so. And if you can't
MH> "Dispel."
Thank you.
KM>> that, understand this; Since a Christian believes the Bible and
KM>> follows it, and since the Bible tells us that there will be people
KM>> like you that do not believe, those that mock Christ, those that
KM>> disbelieve God, then why on earth would you try and convience us that
KM>> God does not exist, we will not believe you anyway. Just like you will
MH> Alright, I'll now address your message: For one thing, none of
us
MH> are trying to convince you there is no 'God.' This is an echo in which
MH> the point is to debate the existence of religion. "Holy Smoke -
MH> Religious Debates." That -is- the name of the echo ... So, wanting
MH> some evidence in order to believe in a philosophy of life [which you
MH> and your kind preach about, incessantly] doesn't sound all that
MH> demanding.
Religious Debates does not imply that we are all debating the existence
of religion, it implies that we are debating things of a reliegious nature.
(Spell anything wrong that time?)
Apparantly you didn't read what I wrote while you were spell checking it.
The scriptures say that if you will not believe in Moses and the Prophets,
that you will not believe, even if one rose from the dead. You have to beleive
in the scriptures to believe, not in evidence. That is why it's called faith,
if you believe something by evidence, it is not faith. I do a little exercise
here that shows that the scriptures fit the definition of evidence, but
that's just a point that I am trying to make. The only evidence you will
find of God is the scriptures, once you have believed in the scriptures,
then maybe you will find the other evidence that you are looking for.
KM>> come back from the dead and tell you that it is true? Because as Luke
KM>> 16:31 says, if you will not believe Moses and the prophets, you will
KM>> not believe. So when have we heard Moses and the prophets? Who do you
KM>> think the Bible was about?
MH> You're asking me for my opinion on the bible?
Actually no, I didn't.
MH> Alright -- it's a
MH> compilation of fictional stories [perhaps some based on real events,
MH> though possibly exaggerated and/or altered], designed to teach morality.
MH> If thought about in that way, its inception was good natured, but they
MH> went a little far on one point: they implied 'God' would smite those
MH> that did not do what 'God' thought was right. That imposes upon free-will.
MH> I don't agree with that ... now, you have people condemning others for
MH> 'sinning.' "Oh! you'll burn in hell, you sinner!" "Fictional
MH> wonderland. Sorry; don't believe in that, either." People just got too
MH> obsessive about it. They forgot the point, if you ask me. Now they
MH> just use it to hate one another.
And those that condemn others for sinning condemn themselves. Because we
are all sinners. BTW I don't tell others about the scriptures because I
hate them, but rather because I love them and care about where they will
spend eternity. Fictional stories to teach morality? "For God so loved the
world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him,
should not perish but have everlasting life." Wheres the morality lesson
in that?
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:31:02
EID:a58a 203e7be0
MSGID: 1:271/460 310e8177
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 9e065c66
Saturday January 27 1996 07:41, Karl Schneider mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> None of them work because we cannot explain it by what we know of
KM>> physics, but, if God can do anything, that changes things doesn't it?
KS> Mighty strange he NEVER does any of these weird things when there
KS> are camcorders around...
Camcorders weren't invented yet. Besides, if I brought you a recording of
something that supposidly God did, would you believe it?
LB>>> Could you draw me a diagram proposing YOUR view of our solar
LB>>> system?
KM>> Don't need to, I'll except what is explained in the Bible. Even if
I
KM>> cannot
KS> You'd do well to 'except' it.
Come on, everyone knows I type the wrong word from time to time. Here just
for you I'll change it. I'll accept what is explainded in the Bible.
KM>> people, did you know that the universe rotates around the earth? 8-))
)
KS> You really, truly and irrecovably are an idiot.
I'de rather be an idoit and go to heaven than be one of the "better educated"
and not got to heaven.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: coincidence screw up
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:37:03
EID:7aad 203e7ca0
MSGID: 1:271/460 310e8274
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 3cb3edb2
Saturday January 27 1996 07:42, Karl Schneider mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM> km>>>> Face it, sure I have, after all I believe by faith.
KM> FR>>> Because you know science, logic, reason, and
KM> FR>>> rationality debunk your superstitious beliefs.
KM> km>>> Actually I love science, always have.
KS> You poor, ignorant, miserable slob. In the VERY SAME MESSAGE PACKET
KS> you said:
KS> Date: 01-18-96 (12:27) Number: 228195
KS> From: KENNETH MCABEE Refer#: NONE
KS> To: FREDRIC RICE Recvd: NO
KS> Subj: forgiveness available (fo Conf: (6220) HOLYSMOKE
KS> -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
KS> -
FR>> It also says bats are birds, rabbits chew their cud, snakes talk, the
FR>> value of Pi is 3.0, grasshoppers have six legs, the Earth is flat,
FR>> there was a global flood -- everyting which science debunks utterly.
KS> Ask me if I care about science, go ahead, ask me.
KS>
KS> -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---
KS> And you appear to wonder why we think you're an idiotic fuckhead.
No I don't wonder at all. I love science that is a true statement. Do I
care about what is says all the time? Nope.. When "science" conflicts with
the Bible, I will take the Bible over it. I believe that there are times
when science pokes it head in things that it really does not understand.
They have a lot of theories on how the universe was created, but they really
don't know do they? However it was not for science I would not have this
computer to type on.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:41:04
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Saturday January 27 1996 07:42, Karl Schneider mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> God's chosen people. Which BTW he failed in doing. So tell me Fred,
if
KM>> he was not following Christ on what grounds was he a Christian?
KM> FR>> You know? Hitler didn't drink poison either, just like you.
KM>> And he was never told to drink poison either.
KS> But _you_ are commanded to 'take up serpents'. Do you? If not,
KS> WHY not?
Do I handle snakes, actually yes I have. Have I ever been bitten, no I have
not.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Drink it, Ken
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:44:05
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Saturday January 27 1996 11:46, Ryan Shaw mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> If Christ would not throw himself down as Satan wanted him to
KM>> prove who he was, even though he would not have been hurt by the
KM>> fall, then what on earth makes you think that I will drink poison
KM>> to prove to you that I am a Christian.
RS> In your Bible it states that Christ will protect Christians if they
drink
RS> poison. You claim that your book is the word of your god, so it must
be
RS> true, eh? Knowing that, I do not see how you could resist the chance
to
RS> have me mix up a potion and have you down it. Just think, Christ would
be
RS> protecting you and you'd have one more person on your side....I'd convert.
Because you are seeking a sign, and following Christ's example, no sign
will be given to you. So what is meant by Mark 16? You can tell us by what
we do, it says that those signs shall follow them, not they shall give you
these signs. There is a difference......
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Frederick Leff
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:46:06
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Saturday January 27 1996 13:53, Frederick Leff mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> Where's your evidence that a God who can ANYTHING doesn't
KM>> exist? Kenneth Mcabee
FL> Where is your reasoning ability? How do you know your god can do
FL> anything? Where in the bible does it say this?
Frederick,
So tell me Fred what does all powerful mean?
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:47:07
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Friday January 26 1996 16:01, David Worrell mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>>>> What's the matter Dave? Can't believe that anyone who can "think
KM>>>> for him/herself" would believe in God?
DW>>> No, Ken, we can't. Where's our evidence, you ask? Got a mirror?
KM>> Where's your evidence that a God who can ANYTHING doesn't exist?
DW> Haven't we been through this before, moron? Where's your evidence that
DW> the tooth fairy *doesn't* exist? Where's your evidence that I *do not*
DW> have an IOU, signed by you, for $10 billion?
Where's the book that states that the tooth fairy does exist? Where is the
workings of the tooth fairy? All the workings of the tooth fairy, the easter
bunny and Santa Claus is from the parents, not from themselves. None of
these magical beings even claimed to be anything have they? Where's my evidence
that you do not have an IOU? That's easy, there you are talking about something
physical, not something spiritual, I have never physically signed one, therefore
you cannot have one.
DW> Are you *really* this fucking stupid, Ken?
Are you?
Kenneth Mcabee
--- FMail 0.96â
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Judgment
|Date: 30 Jan 96 15:50:08
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Sunday January 28 1996 16:35, Steve Rose mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
SR>> My life will be lived in reality. Try it some time.
KM>> I do, I just wish some others would wake up to what reality really
KM>> is.
SR> So NOW I see your problem.
I don't have a problem, seems you have more problems with my beliefs than
I do.
SR> When reality is not good enough for you...you
SR> would much rather re-write it with your own fairy-tale fictional rules
and
SR> live by them, instead?
Excuse me, but where did I claim to do that? "wake up to what reality really
is" does not say, wake up to what I believe reality is.
SR> Then you expect others to accept YOUR version of
SR> pipe-dreams and puffy clouds... and submit to it, as well??
Sorry I have no version of pipe-dreams and puffy clouds, I have not asked
you to submit to any such thing.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Thomas Cameron
|To: All
|Sub: my vision
|Date: 27 Jan 96 22:51:44
EID:e7ee 203bb660
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PID: T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
I had a dream. In it I saw three maids a milking and out of the goat a
man with green hair and a zuchini up his nose said "Hear me boy, you are
more beautiful than the three hairs on my cat." Can anyone understand the
deep
philisophical meaning of this dream?
--- FMail/386 1.02
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 27 Jan 96 09:57:56
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW> 22 Jan 96 04:48, Andrew Masten wrote to Dan Ceppa:
DW>> Do you have any evidence for creationism? If so, please present
DW>> it. If not, kindly stop your whining.
AM>> Yes, request denied, no.
DC>> Sure you have evidence, fundy. That's why you refuse to share
DC>> it.
AM> No, David Worrel was just being a jerk.
DW> And he's still waiting on that evidence you claim to have. Where is
DW> it?
ML> And all we ask is evidence; real, cold, hard, physical evidence
ML> for the support of these claims. Otherwise it's all just some
ML> hoary mental construct with any sort of foothold in reality.
ML> And, now, how can one evaluate the pros and cons of purely
ML> mental constructs?
ML> The playing ground is level, Andy. I can supply literally tons
ML> of evidence to support my contention.
ML> Can you claim the same?
Okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet. I am up to the
challenge! Let me define my contention. That from what can be
extrapolated from scientific facts, there is a probability of us being
here by design thats at least, or more compelling than us being here
by natural impersonal causes.
Evidence for fine tuning of universe.
1. Strong nuclear force constant
If larger; no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be
unstable If smaller; no elements other than hydrogen
2. Weak nuclear force constant
If larger; too much hydrogen converted to helium in big bang,
hence too much heavy element material made by star burning ; no
expulsion of heavy elements from stars
if smaller; too little helium produced from big bang, hence too
little heavy element material made by star burning; no expulsion
of heavy ele- ments from stars
3. Gravitational force constant
if larger; stars would be too hot and would burn up quicky and
unevenly if smaller; stars would remain so cool that nuclear
fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy element production
4. Electromagnetic force constant
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding; elements more massive
than boron would be too unstable for fussion
if smaller insufficient chemical bonding
5. Ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force
constant if larger; no stars less than 1.4 solar masses hence
short and uneven stellar burning
if smaller; no stars more than 0.8 solar masses, hence no heavy
element production
6. Ratio of electron to protron mass
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding
if smaller; insufficient chemical bonding
7. Ratio of protron to number of electrons
if larger; electromagnetism would have dominated gravity,
preventing galaxy star and planet formation
if smaller; same result
8. Expansion rate of universe
if larger; no galaxy formation
if smaller; universe would collaspe prior to star formation
9. Entropy level of universe
if larger; no star condensation within the protogalaxies
if smaller; no protogalaxy formation
10. Mass density of universe
if larger; too much deuterium from big bang hence stars burn too
rapidly if smaller; insufficient helium from big bang
11. Velocity of light
if larger; stars would be too luminous
if smaller; stars would not be luminous enough
12. Age of universe
if older; no solar type stars in stable burning phase in the
right part of the galaxy
if younger; solar stars in stable burning phase would not yet
have formed
13. Initial uniformity of radiation
if smoother; stars, star clusters and galaxies would not have
formed if coarser; universe would be mostly black holes and empty
space
14. Fine structure constant( a number used to describe the fine
structure splitting of spectral lines)
if larger; no stars more than 0.7 solar masses
if smaller; no stars less than 1.8 solar masses
15. Average distance between stars
if larger; heavy element density to thin for rocky planets to
form if smaller; planetary orbits would become to destabilized
16. Decay rate of proton
if greater; life would be exterminated by the release of
radiation if smaller; insufficent matter in the universe for life
17. C to O nuclear energy level ratio
if larger; insufficient oxygen
if smaller insufficient carbon
18. Ground state energy level for HE
if larger; insufficient carbon and oxygen
if samller; same result
19. Decay rate of BE
if slower; heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic
explosions in all the stars
if faster; no element production beyond beryllium, hence no life
chemis- try possible
20. Mass excess of nuetron over the proton
if greater; neutron decay would leave too few nuetrons to form
the heavy elements esential for life
if smaller; proton decay would cause all stars to rapidly
collaspe into nuetron stars or black holes
21. Intial excess of nucleons over antinucleons
if greater; too much radiation for planets to form
if smaller; not enough matter for galaxies or stars to form
22. Polarity of water molecule
if greater; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too great
for life to exist
if smaller; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too small
for life's existance; liquid water would become too inferior a
solvent for life chemistry to proceed; ice would not float,
leading to a runaway freeze-up
23. Supernova eruptions
if too close; radiation would exterminate life on planet
if too far; not enough heavy element ashes to form rocky planets
if too infrequent same result
if too frequent life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy ashes for rocky planets to form
if too late; life would be exterminated by radiation
24. White dwarf binaries
if too few; insufficient flourine produced for life chemistry to
pro- ceed
if too many; disruption of planetary orbits from stellar density;
life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy elements made for efficient
fluorine pro- duction
if too late; flourine made to late for incorporation into
protoplanet
25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
if smaller; galaxies would not have formed
if larger; universe would have collasped before solar-type star
could form
Before I draw any conclusions, let me quote a few scientists
thoughts.
Paul Davies " The laws of physics seem themselves to be a
product of exceedingly ingenious design"
George Greenstein (scientist,author) expressed these thoughts,"
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistantly arises
that some supernatural agency-or rather, Agency-must be involved.
Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have
stumbled upon scientific proof of the existance of a supreme
being? Was it God who so providen- tially crafted the cosmos for
our benefit?" ( From The Symbiotic Universe)
Why do these men (who are by no means "fundies") say this? How
astronom- ical do the odds have to be against impersonal nature
to create a habitat so beneficial for us?
If you were before a firing squad of a 100 sharpshooters, and
after the command fire, you dicovered you were still alive, would
you; Assume all the rifles misfired? Or believe the sharpshooter
deliberately missed you?
This evidence I've presented is for the universe at large. There
are another 32 parameters that have to be satisfied for a planet
like our to develop.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 27 Jan 96 10:00:51
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DM> Sorry, Merdemangier, YOU are being the jerk. You claim to
DM> have some evidence and then refuse to present it. This looks
DM> suspiciously as though you've got nothing but yet another
DM> repetition of magic spells. In other words, all you have is
DM> bullshit that you dare not make public.
ML> And all we ask is evidence; real, cold, hard, physical evidence
ML> for the support of these claims. Otherwise it's all just some
ML> hoary mental construct with any sort of foothold in reality.
ML> And, now, how can one evaluate the pros and cons of purely
ML> mental constructs?
ML> The playing ground is level, Andy. I can supply literally tons
ML> of evidence to support my contention.
ML> Can you claim the same?
Okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet. I am up to the
challenge! Let me define my contention. That from what can be
extrapolated from scientific facts, there is a probability of us being
here by design thats at least, or more compelling than us being here
by natural impersonal causes.
Evidence for fine tuning of universe.
1. Strong nuclear force constant
If larger; no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be
unstable If smaller; no elements other than hydrogen
2. Weak nuclear force constant
If larger; too much hydrogen converted to helium in big bang,
hence too much heavy element material made by star burning ; no
expulsion of heavy elements from stars
if smaller; too little helium produced from big bang, hence too
little heavy element material made by star burning; no expulsion
of heavy ele- ments from stars
3. Gravitational force constant
if larger; stars would be too hot and would burn up quicky and
unevenly if smaller; stars would remain so cool that nuclear
fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy element production
4. Electromagnetic force constant
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding; elements more massive
than boron would be too unstable for fussion
if smaller insufficient chemical bonding
5. Ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force
constant if larger; no stars less than 1.4 solar masses hence
short and uneven stellar burning
if smaller; no stars more than 0.8 solar masses, hence no heavy
element production
6. Ratio of electron to protron mass
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding
if smaller; insufficient chemical bonding
7. Ratio of protron to number of electrons
if larger; electromagnetism would have dominated gravity,
preventing galaxy star and planet formation
if smaller; same result
8. Expansion rate of universe
if larger; no galaxy formation
if smaller; universe would collaspe prior to star formation
9. Entropy level of universe
if larger; no star condensation within the protogalaxies
if smaller; no protogalaxy formation
10. Mass density of universe
if larger; too much deuterium from big bang hence stars burn too
rapidly if smaller; insufficient helium from big bang
11. Velocity of light
if larger; stars would be too luminous
if smaller; stars would not be luminous enough
12. Age of universe
if older; no solar type stars in stable burning phase in the
right part of the galaxy
if younger; solar stars in stable burning phase would not yet
have formed
13. Initial uniformity of radiation
if smoother; stars, star clusters and galaxies would not have
formed if coarser; universe would be mostly black holes and empty
space
14. Fine structure constant( a number used to describe the fine
structure splitting of spectral lines)
if larger; no stars more than 0.7 solar masses
if smaller; no stars less than 1.8 solar masses
15. Average distance between stars
if larger; heavy element density to thin for rocky planets to
form if smaller; planetary orbits would become to destabilized
16. Decay rate of proton
if greater; life would be exterminated by the release of
radiation if smaller; insufficent matter in the universe for life
17. C to O nuclear energy level ratio
if larger; insufficient oxygen
if smaller insufficient carbon
18. Ground state energy level for HE
if larger; insufficient carbon and oxygen
if samller; same result
19. Decay rate of BE
if slower; heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic
explosions in all the stars
if faster; no element production beyond beryllium, hence no life
chemis- try possible
20. Mass excess of nuetron over the proton
if greater; neutron decay would leave too few nuetrons to form
the heavy elements esential for life
if smaller; proton decay would cause all stars to rapidly
collaspe into nuetron stars or black holes
21. Intial excess of nucleons over antinucleons
if greater; too much radiation for planets to form
if smaller; not enough matter for galaxies or stars to form
22. Polarity of water molecule
if greater; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too great
for life to exist
if smaller; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too small
for life's existance; liquid water would become too inferior a
solvent for life chemistry to proceed; ice would not float,
leading to a runaway freeze-up
23. Supernova eruptions
if too close; radiation would exterminate life on planet
if too far; not enough heavy element ashes to form rocky planets
if too infrequent same result
if too frequent life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy ashes for rocky planets to form
if too late; life would be exterminated by radiation
24. White dwarf binaries
if too few; insufficient flourine produced for life chemistry to
pro- ceed
if too many; disruption of planetary orbits from stellar density;
life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy elements made for efficient
fluorine pro- duction
if too late; flourine made to late for incorporation into
protoplanet
25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
if smaller; galaxies would not have formed
if larger; universe would have collasped before solar-type star
could form
Before I draw any conclusions, let me quote a few scientists
thoughts.
Paul Davies " The laws of physics seem themselves to be a
product of exceedingly ingenious design"
George Greenstein (scientist,author) expressed these thoughts,"
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistantly arises
that some supernatural agency-or rather, Agency-must be involved.
Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have
stumbled upon scientific proof of the existance of a supreme
being? Was it God who so providen- tially crafted the cosmos for
our benefit?" ( From The Symbiotic Universe)
Why do these men (who are by no means "fundies") say this? How
astronom- ical do the odds have to be against impersonal nature
to create a habitat so beneficial for us?
If you were before a firing squad of a 100 sharpshooters, and
after the command fire, you dicovered you were still alive, would
you; Assume all the rifles misfired? Or believe the sharpshooter
deliberately missed you?
This evidence I've presented is for the universe at large. There
are another 32 parameters that have to be satisfied for a planet
like our to develop.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Chris Leblond
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 27 Jan 96 04:45:07
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-=> Quoting Chris Leblond to Andrew Masten <=-
CL> but then there is a companion to the satanic bible that contains
CL> rituals pertaining to something I cant remember. if he calls all
CL> magic abomination, why print a book such as this? Not that I'm
CL> thinking about becoming a satanist, but I tend to believe a more
CL> wiccan point of view... what is it you believe in? or do you at all?
I believe in a supreme creator, and that creator is the God of the bible.
Some satanists believe in a powerful evil spirit satan. They think wiccans
just white wash the whole thing and that there source of instrumentality
is the same.
Alot of people on this board are naturalists and materialists and subscribe
to neither point of view.
CL> -!- GEcho 1.00
CL> ! Origin: |15Realm Of Darkness |07DemosúMusicúArtúCoding (1:250/1004)
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 27 Jan 96 07:44:41
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Andrew Masten <=-
> bible is a document worthy of consideration. Thats a shame. Because God
> paid a dear price to buy us back. He doesn't want a religion, but a
> relationship with Him. The story of the Old Testament is a people God
KD> What price?
The price of God in the form of Jesus Christ being crucified.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 27 Jan 96 07:53:57
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-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Andrew Masten <=-
KDM> Fine. Please, oh wise one, share your evidence with we pitiful
KDM> atheists.
Quoting Marty Leipzig to Andrew Masten<=-
And all we ask is evidence; real, cold, hard, physical evidence
for the support of these claims. Otherwise it's all just some
hoary mental construct with any sort of foothold in reality.
And, now, how can one evaluate the pros and cons of purely
mental constructs?
The playing ground is level, Andy. I can supply literally tons
of evidence to support my contention.
Can you claim the same?
Okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet. I am up to the
challenge! Let me define my contention. That from what can be
extrapolated from scientific facts, there is a probability of us being
here by design thats at least, or more compelling than us being here
by natural impersonal causes.
Evidence for fine tuning of universe.
1. Strong nuclear force constant
If larger; no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be
unstable If smaller; no elements other than hydrogen
2. Weak nuclear force constant
If larger; too much hydrogen converted to helium in big bang,
hence too much heavy element material made by star burning ; no
expulsion of heavy elements from stars
if smaller; too little helium produced from big bang, hence too
little heavy element material made by star burning; no expulsion
of heavy ele- ments from stars
3. Gravitational force constant
if larger; stars would be too hot and would burn up quicky and
unevenly if smaller; stars would remain so cool that nuclear
fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy element production
4. Electromagnetic force constant
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding; elements more massive
than boron would be too unstable for fussion
if smaller insufficient chemical bonding
5. Ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force
constant if larger; no stars less than 1.4 solar masses hence
short and uneven stellar burning
if smaller; no stars more than 0.8 solar masses, hence no heavy
element production
6. Ratio of electron to protron mass
if larger; insufficient chemical bonding
if smaller; insufficient chemical bonding
7. Ratio of protron to number of electrons
if larger; electromagnetism would have dominated gravity,
preventing galaxy star and planet formation
if smaller; same result
8. Expansion rate of universe
if larger; no galaxy formation
if smaller; universe would collaspe prior to star formation
9. Entropy level of universe
if larger; no star condensation within the protogalaxies
if smaller; no protogalaxy formation
10. Mass density of universe
if larger; too much deuterium from big bang hence stars burn too
rapidly if smaller; insufficient helium from big bang
11. Velocity of light
if larger; stars would be too luminous
if smaller; stars would not be luminous enough
12. Age of universe
if older; no solar type stars in stable burning phase in the
right part of the galaxy
if younger; solar stars in stable burning phase would not yet
have formed
13. Initial uniformity of radiation
if smoother; stars, star clusters and galaxies would not have
formed if coarser; universe would be mostly black holes and empty
space
14. Fine structure constant( a number used to describe the fine
structure splitting of spectral lines)
if larger; no stars more than 0.7 solar masses
if smaller; no stars less than 1.8 solar masses
15. Average distance between stars
if larger; heavy element density to thin for rocky planets to
form if smaller; planetary orbits would become to destabilized
16. Decay rate of proton
if greater; life would be exterminated by the release of
radiation if smaller; insufficent matter in the universe for life
17. C to O nuclear energy level ratio
if larger; insufficient oxygen
if smaller insufficient carbon
18. Ground state energy level for HE
if larger; insufficient carbon and oxygen
if samller; same result
19. Decay rate of BE
if slower; heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic
explosions in all the stars
if faster; no element production beyond beryllium, hence no life
chemis- try possible
20. Mass excess of nuetron over the proton
if greater; neutron decay would leave too few nuetrons to form
the heavy elements esential for life
if smaller; proton decay would cause all stars to rapidly
collaspe into nuetron stars or black holes
21. Intial excess of nucleons over antinucleons
if greater; too much radiation for planets to form
if smaller; not enough matter for galaxies or stars to form
22. Polarity of water molecule
if greater; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too great
for life to exist
if smaller; heat of fusion and vaporization would be too small
for life's existance; liquid water would become too inferior a
solvent for life chemistry to proceed; ice would not float,
leading to a runaway freeze-up
23. Supernova eruptions
if too close; radiation would exterminate life on planet
if too far; not enough heavy element ashes to form rocky planets
if too infrequent same result
if too frequent life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy ashes for rocky planets to form
if too late; life would be exterminated by radiation
24. White dwarf binaries
if too few; insufficient flourine produced for life chemistry to
pro- ceed
if too many; disruption of planetary orbits from stellar density;
life on planet would be exterminated
if too soon; not enough heavy elements made for efficient
fluorine pro- duction
if too late; flourine made to late for incorporation into
protoplanet
25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
if smaller; galaxies would not have formed
if larger; universe would have collasped before solar-type star
could form
Before I draw any conclusions, let me quote a few scientists
thoughts.
Paul Davies " The laws of physics seem themselves to be a
product of exceedingly ingenious design"
George Greenstein (scientist,author) expressed these thoughts,"
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistantly arises
that some supernatural agency-or rather, Agency-must be involved.
Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have
stumbled upon scientific proof of the existance of a supreme
being? Was it God who so providentially crafted the cosmos for
our benefit?" ( From The Symbiotic Universe)
Why do these men (who are by no means "fundies") say this? How
astronomical do the odds have to be against impersonal nature
to create a habitat so beneficial for us?
If you were before a firing squad of a 100 sharpshooters, and
after the command fire, you dicovered you were still alive, would
you; Assume all the rifles misfired? Or believe the sharpshooter
deliberately missed you?
This evidence I've presented is for the universe at large. There
are another 32 parameters that have to be satisfied for a planet
like our to develop.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
* Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255)
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96 08:30:43
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Andrew Masten <=-
KD> Why does the Bible contain things which demand that I take a
KD> subordinate position to any male?
The bible doesn't say be subordinate to any male. The bible does have two
rules for marriage. Wives be subject to your husbands and husbands love
your wives even as Christ loved the church and gave of Himself. The bible
recognizes the man as the head of the household. But that is a position
of greater responsibility, not privilage. But we all are subordinate to
bosses, police, I.R.S. ect. It doesn't make you a doormat or a slave.
KD> Why does the Bible contain statements which make me something to sell?
Could you be a little more specific?
KD> Those are two things which are in the Bible which I object to
KD> strenuously.
There's alot of admonishments in the bible I don't like either, but I think
there good and right.
KD> Further, it isn't YOUR PERSONAL belief that is a problem for me. It
is
KD> the belief that everyone else should turn into a sheep just like you.
God doesn't want you to be a sheep, but a daughter of God, but thats your
choice.
KD> ... Conference Host:Traffic Cop on the Info Highway
KD> -!- PPoint 1.92
KD> ! Origin: Agnostic is not a dirty word! (1:207/212)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96 09:14:28
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Andrew Masten <=-
KD> On (23 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Dan Ceppa...
AM> Prove that yesterday happened. Sure, you could show me newspapers and
AM> video.
AM> You could simply swear it happened. But how do I know your not just
AM> making
AM> it up. Or the newspapers are just lying and the video was doctored.
KD> Let's see... Yesterday.
KD> I have written evidence that yesterday I taught kindergarten at a
KD> particular school. I have the timecard signed by the person. My
KD> husband could verify having to come pick me up.
KD> I have 70 or more witnesses that I taught there, from children to
KD> adults.
KD> My note to the teacher would still be on his desk.
KD> The messages I posted could be independently verified.
There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof that
it happened?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: hi
|Date: 28 Jan 96 09:27:58
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Andrew Masten <=-
PS> He also forbids the wearing of mixed-fiber clothing and males shaving
PS> their faces. Do you do either one?
No. I'm under the new covenent, not the old. The N.T. also forbids witch
craft ect. ect.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 28 Jan 96 09:38:18
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Andrew Masten <=-
KD> On (24 Jan 96) Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell...
AM> No, there excluded because scientists don't believe the
AM> possibility
AM> of supernatural agencies to be sceince. Which is a subjective value
AM> judgement. I have a funny idea, why don't you tell me what you think
AM> about the big ticket items like; why we are here, who or what caused
the
AM> big bang? what does it all mean? Then I'll ask what evidence you have
to
AM> support your point of view.
KD> Supernatural agencies are NOT science because science requires things
KD> that can be verified or disproven.
If you read my first sentence, thats exactly what I said. But your mistaken
about things that can be verified or disproven. Scientists make hypothesis
that are not proven or disproven for years and years.
KD> If I THINK something about one of those "big ticket items" as an
KD> individual, I have no real need for evidence. My personal beliefs are
KD> not subject to scientific scrutiny. Neither are yours. You are free
to
KD> believe God made the earth in 6 days. But you have to stop short of
KD> calling that a scientific theory, just as I don't call my personal
KD> beliefs regarding those "big ticket items" scientific. I personally
KD> integrate the scientific evidence [all overwhelmingly in favor of
KD> evolution] with experience to develop my opinions.
I don't call my belief in creationism science, I call it dogma. I call belief
in evolution dogma also. The scientific eveidence is not all overwhelmingly
in favor of evolution, you just like to believe it is. Moreover that is
the
very type of theory that cannot be verified or disproven.
DW> Do righteous beings kill children, Andrew?
AM> No, abortionists do.
KD> Children are *born*.
How did you determine that children are not children until there born?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:04:35
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KW> Thank you. That way we can track down the real facts here--Time isn't
KW> known for their scientific accuracy. What I am after is the peer
KW> reviewed (that means other scientist in the same field go over the
KW> information) version, not the watered down and slanted mass media
KW> version. You see, Andrew, quite often when non peer reviewed, watered
KW> down versions are offered, the information presented is out of
KW> context, or down right inaccurate.
By all means. If its bogus are down right fraudulent, I wouldn't want any
thing to do with it either. I'll get the date and vol. # asap.
KW> 'Evidence' is science along the lines of 'Chariots of the Gods'. It
KW> is a running joke, Andrew. And the next thing you are going
to
KW> tell me is that they've found Lot's Wife.
I never claimed that 'Evidence' was science. As for finding lots wife? Thats
right up there with the tale of atom's assembling themselves into human
beings.
AM>--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
AM> ! Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255)
KW>
KW> -!-
KW> * OLXWin 1.00a * Witches do it in a spiral.
KW> -!- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0093
KW> ! Origin: La Cantina BBS * El Paso * 915-532-0332 7Gig, 6 Nodes
KW> (1:381/123)
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 28 Jan 96 10:28:35
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-=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to Andrew Masten <=-
JH> I have both volumes of 'Evidence' right here in my fat little
JH> hand and NO WHERE in either book does it say ANYTHING about
JH> McDowell being a lawyer, let alone his trying to "debunk
JH> Christianity".
JH> Where did you get this shit?
JH> Did you make it up yourself or did you have help?
JH> And why are you trying to promote books that you obviously
JH> haven't read yourself?
I have read volume one. Quite awhile ago. I liked it, and evidently you
thought
it worth getting. As for the rest, apparently I confused the author with
someone else. I wasn't deliberately lying. What point would that serve.
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 29 Jan 96 07:49:22
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW> 24 Jan 96 08:29, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
AM>> Natural science by definition precludes God.
DW>> Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural
DW>> sciences "preclude" God.
AM> Huh? what does "natural science" mean to you?
DW> Irrelevant. You made a statement. I'm asking you to clarify it.
DW> Where do any of the natural sciences "preclude" God. Stop shuffling
DW> and answer the question.
Must you continue to showcase your ignorance? According to Micheal Ruse,
(please don't ask me who he is as your credibility is already sinking fast)
"The creationists believe the world started miraculously. But miracles lie
outside of science, which by definition deals with the natural, the repeatable,
that which is governed by law."
Now will you please stop embarrassing the other atheists on this board with
your silly questions!
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:06:16
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW>> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified
DW>> abomionations, yet he does not judge Nazi Germany? That's a
DW>> pretty fucked up God you worship.
AM> Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond? Where
AM> is the thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and terminated.
DW> Got any evidence that God was the one doing the judging? From the
DW> history I read, it looks the the Allies were the ones doing the
DW> judgement.
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|From: Andrew Masten
|To: Frederick Leff
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 29 Jan 96 08:15:04
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-=> Quoting Frederick Leff to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> If you had the slightest idea who God is, you would run to Him
AM> and not from Him.
FL> OK, who is he?
Read the bible and find out for yourself.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Assorted items of interes
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:04:00
EID:210a 203e9880
MSGID: 1:272/99 001660eb
(On 01-29-96 J.J. Hitt replied to Brian Kolacy)
J H>>>>Toklas (to´kles), Alice B.
JH> BK> 1877-1967
JH> BK> American writer remembered as the secretary and longtime
JH> BK> companion of Gertrude Stein. Her works include cookbooks
JH> BK> and a volume of memoirs.
JH> Yup. The lesbian pothead version of Fannie Farmer.
Funny that the definition didn't mention that she was a lesbian, or a
pothead!:)
JH> (Now I sit back and wait to see who will be the first person
JH> to ask who Fannie Farmer was.)
Ah, a challenge!
>>Farmer (fär´mer), Fannie Merritt
1857-1915
American cookery expert who edited the Boston Cooking School Cook Book
(1896), which has undergone many revisions as the Fannie Farmer
Cookbook.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition
copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version
licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.<<
Huh...I thought she was involved in chocolate, meself...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... You mean they eat their god?? Ewww, gross...
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Dog
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:04:00
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(On 01-29-96 Judith Bandsma replied to Brian Kolacy)
J B>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Steve Wallis <=-
JB>
JB> BK> Brian C. Kolacy
JB>
JB>Where have you been? We don't see enough of you lately.
I had to take some time off...I was laughing to hard at what Michael
Hardy had to say! But thank you for noticing:)
JB>... I came, I saw, got sidetracked, forgot why I was here ..
Actually, it was something more like this^
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "The earthling has stolen the space modulator!" -- Marvin T. Martian
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:04:00
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(On 01-29-96 Judith Bandsma replied to Brian Kolacy)
J B>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Annette Spence <=-
JB> BK> Gertrude Stein. Her works include cookbooks and a volume of
JB>memoirs.
JB>Yes, but if I remember right, the cookbook with the hash brownie
JB>recipe wasn't really written by her...it was just a take off.
Hey, I didn't write the definitions, I just cut and paste 'em:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... No, Taco Bell is not the Mexican telephone company.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: paul
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:04:00
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(On 01-29-96 David Worrell replied to Michael Hardy)
D W>24 Jan 96 21:20, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW> GtP>>>> pay a big price for my citizenship" "But I was born a
DW> GtP>>>> citizen," Paul replied. (NIV)
DW> DW>> Have you *read* that Bible you thump, Hardy?
DW> MH> Yes, and if you had read this thread from the beginning, you'd
DW> MH> see I corrected the misunderstanding. Paul was born a Roman
DW> MH> citizen -- however, he was very much a Jew by education and
DW> MH> upbringing.
DW>Oh, so that's why you said:
DW>MH>>>> He was not Roman.
DW>Is that some more of that new fundy-logic I've been hearing so much
DW>about?
New? I seem to recall Mikey doing quite a bit of this when I was last
here...'Tis not so new.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Christian education = A Nun with a whip.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:16
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Judith Bandsma mumbled "Abortion"
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Steve Wallis <=-
PS> No. You *say* that it did. This does not mean that it actually did,
PS> assuming that it existed at all.
JB> You put a lot of hard questions to him. I hope you won't hold your
But I didn't even get a chance to use the rack yet.
JB> breath waiting for an answer. Easier to ask, and just to pick on was
Nah. I'm not really expecting an answer.
JB> his post where he said god CANNOT lie. Just keep asking him if god
JB> cannot lie, why would he hide all the evidence of the flood to make
JB> people think it never happened?
He'll insist that hiding the evidence isn't the same as lying.
... Sogoggog... No, I mean Yog SothoAAAAAAAUUUGGGGHHH!*&%!@# NO CARRIER
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:16
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "God's Word..."
PS> This appears to be Paul's opinion. Why is it valid?
JS> It is in the book. I am an inerrantist. The book says:
JS> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
This is still silly, Jim. Using the Bible to show that the Bible is
inerrant is like using the words of Richard Nixon to show that he isn't
a crook.
... DM Advice: Dead monsters are *always* naked and penniless.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Where's Al..
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:17
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Where's Al.."
PS> In my case, the fact that God hadn't bothered to answer or even
PS> seemingly pay attention to my prayers was about half of the reason that
PS> I left Christianity.
JS> You didn't perservere...
Let me put you through an emotional wringer for years and see if *you*
persevere.
PS> The other half was people like you, self-righteous asses who have no
PS> problems with rolling over people in the course of spouting their
PS> bullshit.
JS> Do you have any evidence of this to show me? I wouldlike to see it.
Got a mirror handy?
... Apple. A computer with training wheels you can't remove
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:17
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "The Bible and The Bible
alone"
PS> I tend to react badly to people who tell me that I'm going to
PS> suffer because I don't worship their god,
JS> I don't recall saying that.
You've said that people who don't go to hell. Hell is not looked upon as
a place of sweetness and light. I leave the rest as an exercise to you.
PS> that women are not allowed
PS> to have a say in a Christian church,
JS> It's Biblical.
Not shaving is Biblical. Not wearing mixed fibers is Biblical. Should I
go
on with this list, or are you going to learn to stop making general
statements?
... Computer Hacker: Have axe. Will travel.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Pink?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:17
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Pink?"
JS> DEFINE THEY!
PS> They: 1a: those ones--used as 3d person pronoun serving as the plural
PS> of he, she, or it or referring to a group of two or more individuals
PS> not all of the same sex <~dance well> b: used with an indefinite
PS> singular anticedent.
PS> You happy?
JS> Hmmm...kinda vague, don'tcha think?
It isn't my fault that you don't know how to read a dictionary.
... Explain "counter-clockwise" to someone with a digital watch.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:17
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "A tale of 2 cities..."
JS> (Lev 11:13 NIV) "'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat
JS> (Deu 14:18 NIV) the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
JS> Ok, so what's the problem? Where does it say in the BIble that bats
JS> aren't birds? Perhaps they are winged rodents?
PS> It says in the verses quoted above that bats are birds.
JS> I realize that. Where does it say they aren't was my question.
Are you now contending that bats really *are* birds?
JS> Here. Let your mother be proud:
A feeble attempt at best, Jim.
JS> Pretty, ain't it? Let's clean it up, eh?
And what are you going to do if I don't? Wash my mouth out with soap?
Get off it, Jim. I'm not going to respect your standards if you aren't
going to respect mine.
... The results of your IQ test are back. They're negative.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: You should meet my brothers...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:17
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "You should meet my brothers..."
PS> Actually, in some fields, Russian technology supercedes our own.
JS> right...and they invented the telephon...and...the Edsel.
Are you finished with your ignorant diatribes?
... "Some people talk better when they breathe vacuum." -- Heinlein
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Here's your reference, courtesy of Hector.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Here's your reference, courtesy
of Hector."
JS> Merely a figure of speech, referencing his bowing low to the ground
in
JS> the presence of God (as in typical Middle East fashion)
PS> Why is this a figure of speech, Jim, and not literal truth?
JS> Aside from the obvious (what I responded), there was no alleged
JS> 'trauma' as he responds immediately and lucidly:
There is no *mention* of trauma. There is also no mention of many people
in the Bible eating. Would you have us believe that they didn't? Just
because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
... Cthulhu loves you...deep fried in your own juices.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "apostate"
MH> But I must add that she's right in criticizng Jim Staal for
MH> questioning her Christianity. While they do have significant
MH> theological differences -- and I fall right about in the middle of
MH> them -- he had no business making a judgment that is really God's
MH> alone to make.
JS> Why do you say that, Michael? Any 'judgement' I may have stated was
JS> one that God already made in His Word. Nothing to do with me
Lies. You're using Biblical precepts in a vain attempt to cover up the
fact that you're judging her while cloaking yourself with a mantle of
self-righteousness under the banner of, "But God said so!" God also said
that man looks at the outside, while God looks at the heart. Did you forget
that part? Did you forget that you are capable of error and are quite
probably wrong about what you think?
... Nice argument; too bad it was killed by those vicious facts.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Re: ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Hilling mumbled "Re: ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK"
DH> At first, I thought that Kris was just plain dumb. As I get to know
DH> her better, it occurs to me that she probably has some variety of
DH> learning disorder and is doing the best that she can. I was starting
How so?
DH> to feel like a real schmuck for picking on her. OTOH, she and
As any decent person would.
DH> Chuckles are running a "let's trash Dave" thread on a regional echo,
DH> and I am finding it difficult to be sympathetic.
Perfectly understandable.
... "Paladins is *sooooo* stupid!" -- Many Games, Many Times.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Halfwits
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:18
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Hilling mumbled "Halfwits"
PS> Incidentally, I've heard that British Columbia has legalized marijuana
PS> and that Marlboro has started ginning up marijuana cigarettes under
PS> the name "Marlboro Gold." I shit thee not.
DH> I wonder how long it will be until they are being bootlegged here in
DH> the States. I saw Bill Buckley on the Today Show this week advocating
Not long. i've also heard that a lot of people are moving to BC.
DH> drug legalization. If they were serious about balancing the federal
DH> budget, legal weed would help a lot.
Possibly. Those that could handle it would. Those that couldn't...
... "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." - L. Long
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1: DW
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Zayd Allebban mumbled "The Ultimate Shit List
- Part 1: DW"
ZA> Thanks for the tip, Jim. You seem like the only decent one left...
You haven't known him for long. Stick around and we'll see if he tries to
convert you by telling you that the Bible is the only true holy book in
the world and the rest are just the ravings of pagans misled by Satan.
... Cthulhu: it's the surreal thing.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "COINCIDENCE SEVEN"
PS> after I spend a decade or so in the workforce), but what exactly *is*
PS> a NERVA engine
DW> A complete fuck-up.
So I'd heard.
PS> and how does/should it work?
DW> Take a nuclear reactor. Make a vent in the cooling system. FIre up
DW> the reactor. Open the vent and watch it fly away, irradiating the
DW> surrounding area.
And what genius thought up this idea?
... "The problem with people is that they're only human." Hobbes
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Pink?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Pink?"
JS> And you of course, herr kommerade, _would_ have the working knowledge
JS> of what that is like, having spent so much time and talent serving the
JS> Ruskies...
ML> Wrong again, Chuckles. I don't work _for_ them, I work with
ML> them. But I do know full well of their aircraft, I flew a MIG
ML> 29 the last time I was over there.
You know he'll just accuse you of being a Godless Commie Aggressor
who seeks to destroy Truth, Justice, and the American Way .
... "For he *is* the Kwisatz Haderach!" -- Alia Atreides
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Altering another quote, scarecrow?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:19
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Altering another quote,
scarecrow?"
ML> Nechevo.
PS> There you go again.
ML> Iz Veniet.
Well, you lost *me* on that one. "Nechevo" I could at least have a shot
at
understanding.
ML> Hardly. Although I can, unlike others, trace my familial
ML> lineage.
PS> And your family tree *does* fork, right?
ML> That it does. It seems Jimbozo's family tree is suffering some
ML> form of Dutch Idiocy Disease.
A damn shame, that.
... "We're doomed!" - C-3PO
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:20
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "talking critters"
BH> As for writing, most tribes had it. Europeons couldn't READ it. And
BH> we didn't have to kill trees to do it, either! Ever heard of
BH> petroglyphs? Wampum belts? etc. etc...
ML> How about quipu?
And the Spanish conquistadores burned most of them, thinking them to be
devices of the Devil. Ignorant fucks.
... Welcome to Hell! Here's your copy of Windows.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Math anxiety, ñ 3%.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:20
EID:819a 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee438
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Math anxiety, ñ 3%."
PS> If there is a hell, then I will meet you there, you heinous
PS> blasphemer.
ML> Doc Glodbreg'll be in charge of the meatloaf concession, and
ML> I'll be there doling out the scotch.
And you'll throw differential equations at me, won't you?
PS> You're not gonna demand that I stand on a milk crate so's I can say
PS> that to your face?
ML> Naahh...you're no poltroon.
... "The earthling has stolen the space modulator!" -- Marvin T. Martian
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: White-lightning Religions
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:20
EID:19dc 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee439
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lightning Religions"
ML> Drinking scotch again, young Preston?
PS> I never drink.
ML> What? You're a camel?
Nope. I absorb all the moisture I need from eucalyptis leaves. It's a
koala thing.
PS> Thank you, thank you. And now I shall go forth and endeavour to sin
PS> all the more.
ML> Please do, and in multifarious and vexatious new ways.
ML> Walketh not the walk of scotch. For those who see you will
ML> call you silly.
PS> Or dead. I think I'm allergic to alcohol.
ML> You have my deepest sympathies. Thankfully you're not allergic
ML> to Twinkies...
Nah. Twinkies have enough preservatives to mummify the living. But at
least you know one of the more important reasons behind my teetotalism.
... PC: I didn't hit the pit floor? DM: Nope, the spikes broke your fall.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:20
EID:3abb 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43a
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "WHY"
ML> These characters have red-shifted past the point of no return.
PS> Better than blue-shifting into us.
ML> With fundies screaming into their keyboards as their arguments
ML> are debunked, blue seems a most appropriate color for them.
Just like little Smurfs, they are.
... Klein bottle for sale. Inquire within.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Homocrystal sextants.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:20
EID:b0ec 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43b
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Homocrystal sextants."
ML> Let Herr Staal at the job. He's genetically inclined in that
ML> direction.
PS> Also occupationally and intellectually.
ML> Looks like he's just plain congenitally obtuse.
It could be worse. If he were acute, he'd be that much more focused on
being a fool.
... A day without sunshine is like...night.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:21
EID:0f4e 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "A LITTLE HELP FROM SP"
PS> Better watch out, though. The place can turn into a real cesspool
PS> fast.
ML> Especially after a pizza and kegger party.
I don't wanna think about it.
... 3 - Automatic weapons - aren't.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:21
EID:877a 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43d
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Staal shows he's colored"
PS> Nah. Those were recycled into the NOODLES pot.
ML> Or, in Jimbozo's case; the no-noodle pot.
"What? Huh?!"
ML> It figures.
PS> I was thinking troglodyte myself, but bottom dweller will do.
ML> Which makes catfish, lamperys and laywers deeply resentful.
At least you can eat the catfish.
... Life is like a hot shower. One wrong turn and you're in hot water.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:21
EID:4eda 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43e
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "2 SO, WHY GOD?"
PS> I am starting to adapt that as a general rule of thumb, applicable to
PS> anyone that I don't already know.
ML> If anything in life is a "Truism", this is. The best part, if
ML> someone you meet is an idiot; you'll be correct. If they're
ML> not, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
True, but the people in question tend to be offended if I'm correct,
as I will then avoid them or (as actually happened in one of my
classes a couple of semesters ago), go out of my way to show *everyone*
how idiotic they are.
... "He will not be permanently damaged." - Vader
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:21
EID:3018 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee43f
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "#holysmoke"
PS> It varies from server to server. I'm going to have to do some
PS> modifications to my university account so I can access IRC, and it
PS> isn't going to be easy. I may fry the thing altogether.
ML> I signed up for my own SLP/PPP/MICKEYMOUSE (or
ML> whateverthefuckitis) and will only grudgingly keep AOL for
ML> business reasons.
I've managed to get Netscape to work from home, and I've heard that
there are plug-ins for it that will act as IRC servers.
But then, a friend of mine may be getting to set up a local server for
his family's company (ever hear of Dinstuhl's?), and has offered me
an account through that.
PS> I know not. I've started getting AOL disks (much the way everyone else
PS> on the planet has), but I've been saving them for formatting and using
PS> as spares.
ML> AOL really pisses me off with their censorship. I write them
ML> letters verging on what is sometimes seen on HolySmoke, but
ML> only get the most sweetness and light answers. Unfortunately,
ML> the answers have nothing to do with my questions...
What kind of questions do you ask?
... Veni, Vidi, _Velociraptor_....I came, I saw, I shredded.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:21
EID:e8f5 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee440
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""
PS> I catch the reference, but I've always hated the Beatles. Elvis too.
ML> We'll just call you Allen Sherman from now on:
ML> "My daughter needs a new phonograph,
ML> She wore out all the needles.
ML> Besides, I broke the old one in half,
ML> I hate the Beatles!"
Bah, humbug.
ML> It's from that little known British group, way back in the
ML> Paleolithic (or 60's? I forget)...the Blatellidae.
PS> Paleolithic? '60s? What's the difference?
ML> Nixon?
Now *there* was an amusing president.
... "An armed society is a POLITE society" --Robert A. Heinlein
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:22
EID:92ef 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee442
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Lynda Bustilloz mumbled "Fundamentalists R
Us"
PS> Legally blind is not the same as actually blind. I can get around
PS> without my glasses (even drive--but not well), but I see a lot better
PS> with them than without.
LB> You what?! Which roads do you drive on? (Want to know where to avoid)
I've only done it once or twice, and then only in dire emergencies.
LB> I must be legally a lot more blind than you are -- my glasses once
LB> fell off the nightstand and I couldn't find them in the morning...it
Neither could I. I've set down my glasses, forgotten where they were,
and spent hours searching for them. My effective reading range without
glasses is maybe six inches with standard type.
LB> was a very panicky sensation realizing that I couldn't function without
LB> them, and couldn't see to look for them.
I've usually tried to keep calm when such things happen. I usually (not
always) succeed. (Herbert's _Litany Against Fear_ helps, oddly enough)
... "Quick, to the BatTank!" --Tank Girl
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:22
EID:94a0 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee443
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Lynda Bustilloz mumbled "Quality fundy time"
PS> A year? Hell, I *graduated high school* at 17 and entered college
PS> before I was 18.
LB> Of course that depends on when one's birthday falls, and what the cut
Yes indeed. I'm almost always the youngest in my class.
... "How can I prove to you I'm mortal?" - Q "DIE!" - Worf
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:22
EID:a04e 203eb4c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310ee444
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Anthony Grigor-Scott mumbled "Maria russel
in the new_w"
KDM> I duuno, maybe because there was no Illuminati until the Illuminatus
KDM> trilogy, perhaps?
AG> There was an Illuminati before there was a United States of America.
And your evidence for this is?
... Sure, when... OINK FLAP OINK FLAP ... I'll be damned.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Anthony Grigor-Scott mumbled "hey, i'm new"
AG>> It demonstrates that you are definately not a Christian and
AG>> definately a fool.
PS> Why?
AG> If you fail to see the impossibility of being a sensible Christian
AG> person and interpreting anything to the effect `THUS SAITH THE LORD,
AG> it's OK to smoke weed' (or anything else) I really don't see that
It's okay to kill kids but not okay to smoke weed? What kind of god do
you worship?
... "Bother," said Pooh as Kirk beamed him down in a red shirt.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Lynda goes over..."
JS>See!? That's exactly what I have been talking about: mocking me to the
JS>pagan/atheists, just to 'cuddle up' to them to avoid the type of beating
JS>you see them give me. You hold their jackets, and hand them the rocks
JS>while they do the stoning!
KW> Would it be possible for you to feel any sorrier for yourself?
KW>
JS> Do not confuse the facts with mere self-pity, Katherine...
Your opinions do not constitute facts, bucko.
... "Put that thing away! You're going to get us all killed." - Leia
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Fundamentalists R Us"
JS>Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
JS> b. miracles
KS> Of which (a) is stupid and (b) nonexistent.
JS> I give you this: without (a), (b) _is_ nonexistant
Nicely explains the fact that people are starving to death and being beaten
to death without your god intervening. What is this? Does God not help
people who don't grovel before him?
... Easter has been cancelled - they found the body.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: JIm Staal
|Sub: Technology is evil! EVIL
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:23
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, JIm Staal mumbled "Technology is evil! EVIL"
PS>Stupid question: I've quoted Staal as saying that he does his little
PS>"call me a thief and I'll act like one" act selectively. He says that
PS>he never said that.
JS> Those were your terms, not mine...
Would you like to present your side of it, or keep saying, "It is not so"?
... Don't worry, I won't let them shoot you. Not without a trial. CX
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Gwenny the Pooh mumbled "talking critters"
GtP> Not only that, but half the reason they had to come here in the first
GtP> place was that they had trashed their own land and it couldn't support
GtP> it's population anymore. Seems like "technologically advanced" goes
GtP> hand in hand with "planet murderer".
This is getting a little out of hand. The Incas were "technologically
advanced" and by no means "planet murderers." So were the Egyptians,
Chinese, and Japanese. None of them were "planet murderers" either. If
you're thinking of "technologically advanced" in *today's* terms, then
you're not right either. There are approximately 6 billion people on
this planet, a puny portion of the biomass. Just *how* much do you think
we can do to "murder" the planet? About all we can do is make it
uninhabitable to human and animal life for some time to come. Actually
"murdering" it would take more power than we have at our disposal.
The simple fact of the matter is that there *is* *no* *such* *thing* as
a "Native American" in the context that most people think of it. I was
born in the United States, but am not predominantly of AmerInd descent.
Does this mean that I'm *not* a "Native American," even though I was
born here? Are Mexicans, Peruvians, and other South Americans considered
"Native Americans"?
The peoples existing in pre-Columbian America were immigrants themselves.
You would do well to remember that.
BH> WHO had the first "Morse code"?
Define "Morse Code." If you mean a system of coding, then it existed in
antiquity in the Middle East. If you mean a system of dots and dashes,
the Aztecs (I believe) used such a system to denote numbers.
BH> WHO saved your sorry butts in WWII when you couldn't find a way to
BH> incode your messages so the Germans couldn't read them?
The Japanese, not the Germans. All the Navajo did was speak in their
own tongue, no coding necessary.
BH> WHO let you live out of the kindness of their nature, only to have you
BH> sh*t on them for the next 300 years?
Would this be the same kindness of nature that called for various inter-
tribal wars for centuries? I'll admit that the AmerInds got a raw deal
from Europeans, but I'll be damned if I'll say that they were innocent
children.
BH> WHO saved your sorry asses against the British in your revolution?
The French. Plenty of Indians fought against the colonists in both the
French and Indian and Revolutionary Wars. As far as the Revolution goes,
bear in mind that England was over 3000 miles away and was involved in
wars with other countries, as well as having an insane king. In other
words, the Brits were not at their finest.
BH> WHO are the only people to have NEVER lost a war against you?
The North Vietnamese. Arguably the Chinese and the Koreans. The North
if one counts the Civil War.
BH> On WHO's treaty was NATO based?
And what were the terms of that treaty? How was it different from any
European treaty?
BH> WHO worked on all your highrise buildings because they have no fear
of
BH> heights?
Plenty of us nasty old European types did as well.
BH> WHO were the only people to be kind to the Japanese-Americans and allow
BH> them to hide so they wouldn't unjustly be tossed into concentration
BH> camps?
And how often did this happen?
GtP> You forgot providing protected villages for the slaves before the
GtP> Civil War, helping the whites map out the country, providing a basis
GtP> for the way the government is structured and giving them
GtP> tobacco...oh, well forget the last one.
Ahem. Plenty of whites provided safehouses for runaway slaves, plenty of
whites mapped the country without help from Indians, and our government
was based far more on Puritan and European principles than it was on
American Indian ones.
I dislike *any* sort of -centrism, Gwenny, be it Eurocentrism,
Indiocentrism, Afrocentrism, or the like. The American Indians *did*
make important contributions to American society. But they were *not*
the end-all and be-all of our society. So please, do try to restrain
yourself before you have a bliss-fest with the American Indians.
GtP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
GtP> Gwenny
GtP> ... Two types of people: bagpipers and innocent bystanders!
GtP> -!- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
GtP> ! Origin: First Church of Gwenny's Tits (FidoNet 1:128/203.2)
... "Always in motion is the future." - Yoda
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 30 Jan 96 22:38:24
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Steve Wallis mumbled "more Dan A. Post"
SW> 1. Horseless carriages (cars) =Nahum 2:3,4 "The shields of his
SW> soldiers are red; the warriors are clad in scarlet. The metal on the
SW> chariots flashes on the day they are made ready; the spears of pine
are
SW> brandished. The chariots storm through the streets, rushing back and
SW> forth through the squares. They look like flaming torches; they dart
SW> about like lightning."
Did you ever stop to think that this might be referring only to
chariots done up in fancy livery?
SW> 2. Airplanes = (Isaiah 31:5) "Like birds hovering overhead, the Lord
SW> Almighty will shield Jerusalem; He will shield it and deliver it. He
SW> will 'pass over' it and will rescue it."
It's talking about God, not people. Try again.
SW> 3. The dessert blossoming as a rose (Isaiah 35:1) "The desert and the
SW> parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom..."
This is vague enough to be dismissed as mere wishful thinking. There
are plenty of deserts that *don't* bloom or rejoice.
SW> 4. The alignment of a ten-nation western confederacy (Daniel 2,7)
And what might this alignment be? (perhaps you mean a beginning?) And
what evidence have you to show that the dreams are not simply dreams,
rather than the prophetic hogwash that it is often masqueraded as?
SW> 5. The knowledge explosion (Daniel 12:4)
Define "knowledge explosion." Saying "and knowledge shall be increased"
is on a par with saying "and the sun shall rise tomorrow."
SW> 7. False Christs, and false prophets (Matthew 24:5,24 & 2 Peter 2:1)
And how do we know that you are not one of these?
SW> 8. Wars and rumers of wars (mark 13:7)
What a silly prophecy. There have been wars and "rumers" [sic] of wars
practically since humanity began.
SW> 9. famines, earthquakes in divers places, pestalences (Luke 21:11)
These also have been common throughout history. What makes you think
that they are increasing in frequency?
SW> 10. Iniquity abounding (Matthew 24:12)
This has *also* common, and not just among non-Christian peoples.
SW> 11. The Gospel of the Kingdom preached to all the world (Matthew
SW> 24:14)
Are those first-century Peruvians and Chinese still going to hell?
SW> 12. Signs in the sun, moon and stars (luke 17:26-30, 21:25-27)
Define "signs." This smacks of astrology more than anything else. And
"signs" are commonplace.
SW> 9. the introduction of evil spirits which control cults and false
SW> religions (1 Timothy 4:1,2)
Of which Christianity might be one.
SW> 10. The nineteen signs of 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Are you trying to say that these things *never* happened in the past?
SW> 11. The hoarding of gold and silver, and its final demise (James
SW> 5:1-3)
You could almost make a case for this predicting the US going off the
gold standard in '33, except for the fact that gold hasn't always
been used as a medium of exchange.
SW> 12. False prophets denying the deity of Christ (2 Peter 2:1-3)
Happened within the first century after Jesus' death.
SW> 13. Scoffers mocking the second coming of Christ(2 Peter 2:1-3)
Continues to happen today because you people can't get your shit
together.
SW> 14. The invention of the atom bomb (2 Peter 3:10)
This refers to a "day of the Lord." It does not refer to atomic weaponry
any more than it might refer to the sun going nova or supernova.
SW> 15 Lethargy and indifference among God's people (compared to the
SW> Laodicean church in Revelation 3:14-16)
Happened all the time in Israel, according to your Bible.
SW> 16. The judgments described in the Book of Revelation 3:14-16)
Happened quite frequently before the birth of Jesus (when was that,
again? 4 BCE? 6 BCE?
SW> Every one of these prophecies is already in progress. The stage is
SW> being set right now for the fulfillment of Scripture.
This is bullshit and you and I both know it. It must be a real pain in
the ass for you to try to convince a history major, of all people, that
your holy book is prophesying about the future.
SW> Ive listed some of the scriptures that deal with Bible prophecy. Take
SW> the time to look them up and go over them.
I did indeed. They're all nonsense, or merely claims that only a drooling
idiot ignorant of world history would make.
SW> It says in the Bible "And the beast was taken, and with him the false
It also says that bats are birds and that grasshoppers have four legs.
SW> It says in the