God Damned Fundies!
|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GLEN ZILLY
|Sub: Farewell To Holysmoke
|Date: 30 Jan 96 10:43:00
EID:402a 203e5560
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Glen Zilly to All <=-
GZ> Due to the removal of this forum from my current board
GZ> becuase of its use of profanity and other unnaceptable
GZ> language I will no longer be posting on the Holysmoke forum.
What the fuck is "profanity?" Who gets to determine what is
and what is not "profane?"
... "Unleash the atheists! Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of reason!"
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: Adolph Hitler
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:49:00
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-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to All <=-
-=> Quoting Larry Sites to Maria Russell <=-
>LS> Make you feel good, cunt? How come the dick that's your
>LS> head isn't here instead of you?
MH> To all non-Christians: He's[sic] one of yours.
"If the older generation cannot get accustomed to us, we
shall take their children away from them and rear them as
needful for the Fatherland." -- Hitler, June 18, 1933
"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your
side,' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already ...
What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however,
now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know
nothing but the new community." -- Hitler, Nov. 6, 1933
To all Christians: he's one of yours.
... Jesus can't perform tricks in front of skeptics (Matt 13:58 Mk 6:5-6)
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MARIA RUSSELL
|Sub: Killer God! Run Away!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:51:00
EID:578e 203e5e60
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-=> Maria Russell wrote in a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
MR> God offers salvation to ALL. It's a GIFT. He extends it
MR> to everyone. It's up to the individual if he himself will
MR> ACCEPT it.
And if one does not ACCEPT this GIFT, your gods will torture
one forever and ever, without end.
Demonic gods you have there, Maria.
... A virgin girl who is raped must marry her rapist. Deut. 22:28-29
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Hs web page update
|Date: 29 Jan 96 21:13:13
EID:81ff 310d8d23
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310d8d23
> Yes; but about now I'd even take a mediocre '80s collection.
> There's simply
> nothing worthwhile on the radio.
I do tapes for bars! Just let me know what type you want and I'll make you
a tape or two. (mixed-together, no less!)
[This goes for everyone else, too!)
Hugs!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: C.Henshaw'S Monitor
|Sub: Re: RUDE!
|Date: 30 Jan 96 06:59:12
EID:81ff 310e1698
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 310e1698
> JS>> as a face-less medium allows chicken-s**ts to sit
> behind their
> JS>> little monitors
>
> You'd better be standing on a milk crate when you call a
> 17" monitor 'small,' bucko.
Oh, christ...now they're arguing over monitor size! Enough of this euphemistic
shit! Call a spade a spade!
Mine's 7" and cut!
[snort]
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|From: Chris Leblond
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:04:29
EID:73e5 203d0080
MSGID: 1:250/1004 0f040227
BH> As for the heaven/hell routine, have you thought about the possibilities
of
BH> reincarnation? It is actually rather well documented. As far as I
know, m
BH> Wiccans are believers in reincarnation.
so...even in reincarnation, there is eventually a nirvava(/heaven) type
deal.
Or are you trying to say we are reborn forever? That would seem kinda dumb
and pointless if you ask me..
BH> I like Alestair Crowley's sense of humour and outrageousness, however
I fin
BH> his so-called "magick" to be a farce. Anyone spending that much time
BH> shuffling candles and incense around is too busy to concentrate their
will
BH> anything...:) However, his treatises on how will actually works are
fairly
BH> good.
well, there seems to be alot published about him, so perhaps there is
something there...have you tried his ceremonial-type(?) magic? I've never
tried any, which is why I'm talking to you :) I need help, guidance,
whatever. If you know anyone that actively performs magic, I would be
interested in participating in it, just to get the feel of it, learn a few
things...
BH> Heee...hee...hee...stop sobbing now, I'm sure we can find someone to
*bless
BH> the peanut butter and make it *magic* peanut butter...:-)
kinda like popeye and his spinach? Except I could eat a peanut butter
sandwich or something? I always wondered about that guy on sesame street...;)
BH> I would be more inclined *my* experience, only> to say that any "magic" or occult or whatever
acts'
BH> strength is based on the natural talent of the person involved. For
exampl
BH> you could be a great clairvoyant but suck sh*t as a magician. Or if
you ar
BH> naturally a person who can make excellent talismans it would not necessaril
BH> follow that you could do a great job-getting kind of spell. All you
can do
BH> is try all of the different things you can and see what things you have
mor
BH> success at...
I thought everyone could do magic. Or perhaps that is true, but he who
has
more talent, can work magic more sucessfully...am I near the mark?
CL> and I didn't know fruitbats raved...;)
BH>
BH> Jeez man, haven't you been READING this echo...:-)
sorry, they just dont seem like the partying kinda creatures...
BH> For me, the purpose of life is the pursuits of experience and knowledge
and
BH> when practically combined=wisdom...
and then what? what happens when you have accomplished that?
BH> Little bit hard to go into in a public echo. However I will tell you
this.
BH> The results were the smell of feces and vomit in my house any>, my dog became ill, a friend of mine who was helping with the situatio
BH> went off his rocker, and a few other undesirable things...
BH>
BH> When it was over, for the first time in months the house smelled normal
BH> and the mysterious disease my dog had, which the vet had trouble getting
ri
BH> of, vanished. Other people noticed the phenomena too, some of whom
were NO
BH> into any kind of occult practice and were NOT aware of what was happening
BH> because we didn't tell them.
so...other magicians can sense others' magical activity and do something
about
it? (pretty sick minded people if your story is to be believed ;)
most that I have talked to at WCC dont like to use magic. in fact, if you
want to become an official member type of thing, they make you take an oath
(if i remember correctly) only to use it in extreme cases. so not much
I can
learn there...ttyl.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Chris Leblond
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Re: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 29 Jan 96 00:09:37
EID:4a68 203d0120
MSGID: 1:250/1004 0f040228
A> It is what one makes of it. It can be used for either harmful or beneficial
A> results. Coersion of a gambler who does nothing but lose his ass and
make h
A> family suffer, to cause him to refrain from his habit, or getting a
A> down-in-the-dumps person to look at their positive qualities instead
of thei
A> negative ones, or anything like this will bring great results. I rarely
A> attempt to manipulate others negatively. My work is more 95% positive/5%
A> negative. I maniupulate those I care for much more than those I despise,
fo
A> the simple fact that not many people cause me to despise them.
A>
A> It seems like everyone pictures the Satanist as the loser who has no
friends
A> who goes 'round hating everyone. This isn't so. I give and receive
far mor
A> love than hate. And everyone seems to like me, except for the general
popula
A> who make up these echo's unfortunately. I believe myself to be in the
minori
A> as far as magickal practise goes. It seems like the majority uses magick
fo
A> more negative means than positive, expressing great maniacal glee as
everyon
A> suffers around them, but I am above such childishness.
A>
A> To finally answer your question. Yes I believe it to be generally harmful,
b
A> from others, not from me. I refuse to let that barrel of bad apples
spoil t
A> great bunch which can be created if one just picks through it to find
them.
true, just that used in your previous context, it sounded not too good.
Not
that I'm accusing you of anything, I just wondered. so what do you do as
a
satanist(you yourself)? it doesn't seem like you can go around and preach
the
word or christ-type of thing...(or the word of satan)..
ttyl.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 29 Jan 96 10:29:00
EID:9fff 203d53a0
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Roger Hunter <=-
JB> If you look real close you might see something even worse...at least,
JB> I'm seeing it here. In most of my packets where Al is missing, SO IS
JB> HECTOR.
JB> Do you think they met?
Even worse, could they be the SAME!!
Nahhhh. Al is too logical.
... Danger, Judith Bandsma! Off-topic messages! Danger!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: URGENT: Contact your
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:09:14
EID:0c42 203e4120
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310dd244
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TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Sue!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Sue say to Judith:
JB>> The protection of children is important. Therefore we should not
JB>> allow them to see or read things which may be harmful. What if your
JB>> little boy ran across Deutonomy 23:2?
JB>> "A man whose testicles have been crushed or whose male member has
JB>> been cut off is not to be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh. No
JB>> bastard is to be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh."
SA> Huh. According to this, it doesn't matter WHAT I do. I could pray
to
SA> Jaysus all I like, but this passage sez it won't do any good - my parents
SA> were never married.
Hey, me, too. Oh, well.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Cats know how we feel. They don't give a damn, but they know.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Zach Doyle
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:11:05
EID:2b1e 203e4160
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310dd43e
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Heilsa, Zach!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Zach say to Gwenny:
ZD> I chose Valhalla, I like the nordic religions, and another thing...
how do
ZD> you get in touch with wiccans, I'd like to learn more (peticularily
ZD> about pre-christian Irish religions) thanx
I assume you mean locally. I see that you are in British Columbia. There
are quite a few pagans up your way (we had an entire section that called
themselves the "Canadian Embassy" at Dragonfest. They also have a festival
up there in late August or early September. I'm hoping to go this year.
Also, so if any of your local bbs carry PODS (Pagan Occult Distribution
System). You usually have to be eighteen or have a parents permission to
be allowed to read these echoes. If you are old enough and can get these
echoes, look for Lucetius or Hillwalker. Tell 'em, Gwenny sent you.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Even the Borg won't assimilate a Macintosh.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:18:56
EID:ca27 203e4240
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Heilsa, LES!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
LES Willingcox say to KEVIN:
KD>> Strike two. A thief, and you judge others. How can you call *yourself*
KD>> a Christian?
LW> Strike three.... You're a moron.
I just adore it when ya'll speak that Christian
language of love.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Homosexual need freed
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:20:32
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Heilsa, LES!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
LES WILLINGCOX say to KATHERINE:
KW>> That's right, Les, only the little people pay for their software.
I
KW>> supposed that as you're 'saved', a little matter like being a thief
is
KW>> no impediment to entering heaven.
LW> As I've told your other gang members, produce the documentation
LW> from the author of this "software" or find a new subject to discuss.
As we've told YOUR other gang members, produce evidence of your mythgawd
or find a new subject to discuss.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Never argue with a skunk, mule, woman, or SysOp.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:22:07
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Heilsa, Lynda!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Lynda say to Gwenny:
JJH>> Is there a First Piss Of The Morning Ritual?
GtP>> What a concept...a reason to party everyday. But I have
a
GtP>> problem. I drink more than a gallon of water a day and therefore
get
GtP>> up several times during the night to piss. How do I know which is
GtP>> the last piss of the night and the first piss of the morning?
GtP>>
LB> That is an ancient Mystery, that has caused much controversy surrounding
LB> the Sacred Pregnancy Test Ritual -- it has led to such heresies as seeing
LB> the + sign and insisting the directions must not have been followed
LB> correctly. (G)
Well, we already have a positive as to the pregancy. Now Stephanie
has to do the ultra sound, no piss thing this morning. YECH!!!!
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate m***** f*****.
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 08:24:31
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Steve:
SW>> The only power satan has is what we give him.
DC> So, not only are we more powerful than your piddly god, we are
DC> more poweful than the archangel that your god can't handle.
Ya know, it makes me crazy...well, I was already crazy, but that's not the
point , that the only ones who believe in satan are the xtians. And
they scream about how powerful he is. If he does exist, it's only because
of their constantly empowering him.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Metronome: a city-dwelling earth spirit.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: Uncaused cause?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:16:51
EID:6f45 203e0a00
}:> An lo Aaron did give unto LES a parable on hey, i'm new <:(
> According to one study the term "Jehovah" is
> considered a term with no origins.
AB> Ex nihilo creation of words? That's something I hadn't heard of
AB> before. It makes sense; the cosmological argument says that there has
AB> to be an uncaused cause, and that that cause is God. Those who
AB> advanced the argument must have simply made a trivial use/mention
AB> error, not realizing that it was the name of God, rather than the
AB> being they thought it named, which was the uncaused cause.
An uncaused cause? How can something have a cause but be uncaused?
Its like non-alcoholic beer, fat-free spam, or hot-buttered ice...it
boggles the (mine at least) imagination. I don't have a problem with
conceptualizing the singularity of a black hole being both infinite and
terribly small (though you should forgive my spotty technical terms),
that time and space can be one, that Asmodeus is a legend in his own
mind, or that there were two Darins on Bewitched. But this just makes
me guffaw all around the room. Please explain.
Cya
NS
... Eunuchs for PCs? I don't think I want to know...
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Vinod Tonangi
|Sub: I don't understand
|Date: 30 Jan 96 01:24:36
EID:1889 203e0b00
}:> An lo Vinod did give unto All a parable on I don't understand <:(
VT> * Copied (from: a_theist) by Ryan Shaw using timEd/2 1.10+.
VT> If all you people are atheist then you made you?
Only if I was a self-made man, which would take the burden off nature.
I guess you meant "WHO made me..."
Mom and Dad supposedly, though I do understand that I look a lot like
the milkman...
VT> Where do you go when you die?
I don't know. I keep trying to remember to buy a map so I'll be
prepared when the day comes, but...
VT> Who do you pray too?
McMahan and Clark over at Publisher's Clearing House. I also invoke
the minor deities of the state lottery system from time to time.
VT> What do you fear?
Hot water bottles. And don't ask me why.
VT> Please answer these questions for me. I am not putting anyone down,
VT> nor am I making fun of anybody, I am just a little curious. Thank you.
VT> p.s. I would appreciate it, if you privately e-mailed me the response,
VT> Since I am not on this fido a lot. Thanx
VT> -GoD-
But, GoD, don't you know all of this already? No? Or should I
consider this evidence of your non-superiority?
Cya
NS
... Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jets!
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:37:13
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On Thursday, January 18th, 1996 - Sue Armstrong wrote:
CM> Who believes in myths?
LB> I do. (Figure THAT one out!)
CM>
CM> You're a druid, and think trees are alive?
SA> Trees ARE alive, you nitwit. Plants breathe, grow, metabolise,
That was a typo, I meant that they had souls. Besides, that message was
at least a month old. Trying to play "catch up", are we?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:39:49
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On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
CM> same. Therefore, you need to convince me that God does not exist.
CM> (Since you apparently don't want me to believe that He does.
DC> Do yourself a favor and provide evidence that that god of
DC> yours does exist.
How would that be doing _me_ a favor? I believe that would be helping
you out, more than I.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Echo Test
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:41:27
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On Thursday, January 18th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> The man who raised me is my father.
Gt> You said your father died before you were born. How did he raise you?
No, I did not. I said I don't KNOW my biological father. My mother and
him split up when I was VERY young. The man who raised me (my
step-father) is who I consider my Dad.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:20:09
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> Sugar, the ark wasn't large enough to hold all the different species
Gt> of bovine, let alone elephants (there were three or four species
It's amazing what can be done with the help of God, isn't it?
Gt> only that, but HOW did the kangaroo travel all the way from Australia
How do you know that animals were localized at that time?
Gt> that that Noah would have had to lay in another herd beast per week
Gt> per pair of predator.....let's see, say there were twelve different
Gee, have you never fasted?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:24:11
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> I don't. But I believe the piece of paper I have in my hand that
Gt> says you owe me $40,000. Pay up.
Take a number... (And then find somthing original to say.)
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 21 Jan 96 12:26:57
EID:6b4a 20356340
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Sue Alexander wrote:
CM> There was a point in time when I didn't believe in Christ, or God.
CM> My best friend was an atheist, and didn't believe either. THEN I
CM> started thinking.
SA> Were you raised in a household that believed in God? When you
Yes. My parents & grandparents (on both sides) were Roman Catholics.
My great-grandmother was a Baptist.
SA> started thinking, had you just acquired a new friend or 2? Had you
From 2nd grade to 7th grade I attended Roman Catholic School. From 7th
grade on up, it was the public school system.
SA> just had an arguement with your best friend of that time?
How am I supposed to remember that?!??!?
SA> There are many deities that people worship out there, Christian.
But there is only ONE TRUE GOD.
SA> Even if you discard the evidence around you that evolution occurs and
SA> that life can come from "pond scum" when in the correct environment,
With God's help, probably.
SA> how do you *REALLY* know that it is your God that is out there making
SA> it happen? It could be Zeus, Odin, Gaia, or any of a number of other
SA> deities, and if so they are probably pissed at you for not worshipping
SA> them.
I don't see any "Zeus, Odin, or Gaia" Bibles out there.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:15:05
EID:6ba6 203569e0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 90148be6
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote:
KD> Know your Bible well, don't you?
What? Do you think every Christian believer has gone to Seminary(sp?)?
KD> 2Kings 2:23
KD> 23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by
KD> the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked
KD> him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
KD> 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the
KD> name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood,
KD> and tare forty and two children of them. 25 And he went from thence
KD> to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.
The prophets of the Old Testament were representatives of God. To mock
the prophets were to mock God. It was not tolerated.
Jesus brought forgiveness to the world, before that, you had to be on
your best behavior at all times.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:21:01
EID:6ba6 20356aa0
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote:
KD> So if you beat a dog, and that dog rips your throat out for it, the
KD> dog is in the wrong?
God doesn't beat you for no reason. You must've done somthing wrong, in
the first place.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 13:23:48
EID:af39 20356ae0
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On Friday, January 19th, 1996 - Sue Armstrong wrote:
SA> OK, perhaps they SHOULD migrate. Where to? Hmm. I think I'll
SA> suggest they all go to St. Petersburg, FLA. Specifically, to your
SA> neighbourhood. I trust you won't be a NIMBY on that subject ..
Usualy
Usually there is plague on the land. Who are they listening to God or
Satan? God gave the Earth to Satan.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:54:07
EID:2283 2035a6c0
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On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
DC> You're the one with that bible that you call true. If that truth
DC> is questioned, try anwering it with facts.
So, what's your point?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 21 Jan 96 20:56:00
EID:147a 2035a700
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PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Saturday, January 20th, 1996 - Dan Ceppa wrote:
DC> So, Xian, you believe in a book that you have never read. How
DC> typical of you
What? Why do you think every Christian has attended seminary(sp?)?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Don Ward
|Sub: Re: HI
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:54:19
EID:0e8c 2036bec0
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PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Don Ward wrote:
DW> Christian, if you are a Christian, why do you chat with unclean
DW> spirits? Leave this den of fools to their on folly. And follow what
DW> the good book says......
DW> Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from
DW> godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called
DW> knowledge, -- 1 Tim 6:20 (NIV)
DW> Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become
DW> more and more ungodly. -- 2 Tim 2:16 (NIV)
DW> Will you fall prey to the ungodly, morally bankrupt fools here? Or
DW> will you fall and pray for them?
True, but if every one leaves, who will be here to tell of the great
things that happen in "The Book"?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 22 Jan 96 23:56:26
EID:0be1 2036bf00
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9015fc89
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Sean McCullough wrote:
SM> Now: Got any EVIDENCE that your God exists outside your imagination,
SM> and the imaginations of your fellow self-delusionists??
So you're trying to tell me that all of the believers since "way back
when", are wrong? We, as humans, thought the sun revolved around us...
We used to think the world was flat... Why try to deny everything that
points TOWARDS God and focus those things?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 24 Jan 96 02:20:29
EID:1e0e 20381280
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On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Fredric Rice wrote:
CM> It's not very smart to worship a rock.
fr> Whereas you worship paper.
How do I worship paper? I don't go around giving thanks to T.P. and
paper towels.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: new echo?
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:46:05
EID:0bb3 203865c0
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Katherine Wintersnight wrote:
KW> CM>Right in Genesis God mentions "we" before He created anything.
KW> And "let CM>us" is in there to. That would seem to do it for me!
KW> In your view, then, Xtiany is a polytheistic religion?
God The Father \
God The Son -----= One God
God The Holy Spirit/
Three in One. One God, Three parts.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Fundamentalist Are Insane 4/
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:49:17
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> He'll still provide for her whether it's via you, or another person.
Gt> And your evidence for this is??? Back when I was counting on him for
God states that He give's you what you need to survivor.
Gt>> BTW, Mom called (the earthly one) the other day and said she's
Gt>> mellowing out. Even drug-abusing biker bitches like my sis used to
be
Gt>> should only have to repent for so long.
CM> "Mellowing out", eh? When one first gets saved they seem to be
CM> one of the "holy rollers". :) The "mellowing out" is simply comes
CM> with time.
Gt> Care to make any wagers??? I used to live where my sis does now. I
You're the one that said she was mellowing out. I was just telling you
why.
Gt> drunk one night. Gee, maybe there is a deity.
Yes, there is a God. You're not Him. :)
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: CHURCHES
|Date: 24 Jan 96 12:58:46
EID:1260 20386740
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901788ce
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt> Every xtian I've ever seen does all they can to make a buck off of
Gt> you.
Well, you've never met me, my family, or my pastor... now have you? ;)
Gt> NO, fool. I am talking especially about my eldest, who has a chemical
Gt> imbalance that causes him to have difficulty dealing with ANY
Gt> emotion. Had I hit him, betrayed him, he would now be permanently
Gt> committed in the mental hospital. Violence, of ANY kind, is seldom
Gt> the answer. If you can't control 'em by three, chances are you never
Gt> will. I WILL NOT HIT MY KIDS....perverts.
Yeah yeah... A good swat to the butt won't harm any kid. I'm not saying
to pummel him about the head & shoulders 'ya know!!! My mother went
through that "no hitting kids" phase with my brother & sister. I
couldn't believe how they acted because they KNEW she would not hit
them. Boy, they sure minded me when *I* babysat them.
Gt> He was a Christian. He was a coward. He was a therapist. He
Gt> couldn't deal with his own fear. He was a Christian. Seems to go
Gt> together for me.
Knowledge of being a Christian is only truly known between the
individual & God. He may have said it, but maybe never was.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 24 Jan 96 13:04:17
EID:3c97 20386880
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On Tuesday, January 23rd, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
Gt>> And your reproducible evidence that your mythgawd created this "rock"
Gt>> we call a world IS......
CM> I believe in what is written in Genesis.
Gt> I believe what was written in Song of Songs. Now, how about some
Gt> evidence instead of poetry.
Exsqueeze me... How do you suggest the world "appeared"?
Gt> * Origin: First Church of Gwenny's Tits (FidoNet 1:128/203.2)
Ah yes, the great plains!
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 24 Jan 96 23:41:12
EID:b037 2038bd20
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On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
CM> trying to do the "changing" needs to make the other believe in the
PS> Are we trying to change your mind?
Seems like it to me.
PS> I don't care *what* you believe as long as you don't force it on me
or
PS> anyone else, got it?
Have I been?
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Re: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:27:30
EID:80f9 20394b60
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901863d2
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On Sunday, January 21st, 1996 - Rob Burcham wrote:
RB> I have a cousin who became pregnant at 16 and her mother
RB> went ballistic. I lost a lot of respect for my aunt at that
RB> time. I don't know how my cousin could ever forgive the
RB> things she said, but she did (I think she thought her mother
RB> was right when she called her an evil slut). Somehow, they
She should'a kept her legs closed. How can some one that young even
think they could raise a child successfully? They are but a baby
themselves!
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: Re: COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 25 Jan 96 09:30:55
EID:1e5f 20394bc0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9018645a
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Monday, January 22nd, 1996 - Robert Berndt wrote:
GTP> Remember -- Rome was Christian when it fell.
RB> And America was Christian when it rose.
To quote Wayne & Garth: "Shwang!"
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Re: Lest ye forget...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:46:01
EID:2511 203a0dc0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901912b2
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Thursday, January 25th, 1996 - Gwenny the Pooh wrote:
CM> Why don't you spend your own $$ and call yourself to get a new copy
of
CM> that? As I said, all of the "adult" areas have been removed.
Gt> Did you remove them or just change your security level?? New users
Gt> on our board can even see that the pagan areas exist.
Did I stutter? ALL OF THE "ADULT" AREAS HAVE BEEN *_REMOVED_*. Thank
you.
Christian ;)
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: All
|Sub: About ME!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 16:59:59
EID:fda1 203a8760
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9019b31f
PID: RiBBS v2.10
Here I thought no one loved me anymore! You guys are just talking ABOUT
me instead of TO me. Gee, I get left out of my own conversations!!!
Christian ;)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Good News from F.U.H.C.U.
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:12:21
EID:6460 203a7980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e5c
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CH> On Sunday January 21 1996 at 03:37, Robert Jackson wrote to Rob
CH> Burcham:
RJ> Don't let the Great Deceiver whose name is legion,
RJ> but goes by the name of Intel, have your HD at its mercy!
CH> I guess I'm safe from the curse..er..virus then: there's no Intel
CH> chips in my computer.
HAH! Intel makes them all! You have been decieved by False
Chip Manufacturing Scum, and all chips have sinned!
... Send lawyers, guns and money...the shit has hit the fan.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Tolerance
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:19:19
EID:39f8 203a7a60
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RJ> magic dust and have the lucky mystical energy spirit moodring
RJ> control tower beam the correct interpretation to them.
RJ>
RJ> As you can see, there's a perfectly technical explanation.
KDM> Of course. Ever considered going to work for Micro$oft's customer
KDM> service section?
I understand, from people who've dealt with them, computer
knowledge on the level of Kris O'Kelly's is sufficient.
... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Satirists
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:23:32
EID:5160 203a7ae0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e5e
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DM> Byron, upon meeting Beau Brummel in company with HRH George,
DM> Prince of Wales, asked the Beau "Who's your fat
DM> friend?"--you KNOW he can't be ALL bad. Thackeray's Vanity
Ha-ha! That ranks up there with, urrgh--what's his name?
He was mayor of Chicago back in the 'teens; King George VI
visited Chicago and met with the mayor, a rather unassuming
fellow, who escorted him to a meeting of the aldermen and
said, "King, meet the boys."
RJ> it. Some of us have to deal with despair on a regular basis,
RJ> but we either deal with it, or get too exhausted to lift the
RJ> muzzle.
DM> I was trying to distinguish despair from depression;
Despair is one of the feelings many people experience _during_
a depression.
DM> all hope. Depressed I have been, but never without hope that
DM> I would eventually get out of the depression.
Some people I talk to on one of the writing echoes either
have a flair for the overly dramatic (which perhaps makes
them good writers) or they regularly experience some majorly
heinous shit when their Black Dog comes barking--I don't have
it as bad as some of them; oftimes they feel certain they'll
never break out of the cycle. You *can* lose hope in a severe
depression. I've done it, but I was too tired to give up, if
that doesn't sound contradictory.
DM> Incidentally, you were speaking elsewhere of liquors to
DM> put on ice cream: may I suggest Cherry Heerring on vanilla?
Chambord (raspberry) is another one.
DM> And a dash of Pernod does wonders for a bowl of sugared
DM> strawberries.
Hmm...
... "When in doubt, go for the dick joke." --Robin Williams
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Tara Holland
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 15:33:04
EID:0001 203a7c20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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TH> I am a Christian..I am sorry to read some of the attitudes on here.
TH> I respect that everyone has their own opinion..and I know that
TH> everyone has a right to their point of views. I will not argue with
Yeah, it always starts off all pseudo-compassionate and oh-so
tolerant...
TH> are ready to except him into your hearts...but..I will say..when the
TH> world ends...the evil will lose and the good Lord will judge you all.
TH> and he will judge your heart..and for those of you who fail to listen
TH> and accept him in your hearts before that time comes..it will be you
TH> who will burn for an eternity..in flames. I am sorry for all of you
...and then the threats follow immediately on its heels.
TH> who do not see the glory in loving the Lord. I am praying for all of
...and then they always wrap up the threats with a bit of lovey-
dovey sweetness about how cool and bitchin' their god is.
Fuck off, you duplicitous, tyrant-worshipping faithmonger. Your
ilk is the VERY REASON people with brains want nothing to do
with your deathcult.
... You're like an idiot savant, only without the savant part.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:06:21
EID:6f07 203c18c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e60
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RJ> Or would you like to burn in Hell for all eternity? You must
RJ> realize that I, as God, can do this to your immortal soul.
RJ> Wanna try me?
AM> He who thinks himself a diety, has a fool for a god.
Says a buttload about your Yahweh fellah, doesn't it.
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:07:05
EID:fbd5 203c18e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e61
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SQ>> "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem." :)
RJ> Ille Jesu Domine, dona es est requiem. ::))
SQ> If I knew you weren't joking, I'd make another bet. :)
Joking about what--the flagellant's chant? That's the spelling
I've heard, and it seems to make sense: This famous Lord Jesus,
bestow upon us your rest (repose). Sounds pretty intense to
me--a bunch of miserable guys waitng for death.
What does your translation say?
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: -------
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:11:34
EID:598e 203c1960
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RJ> Or even Zen! |8-o
GtP> Damn, I wanted to work in something like "That was Zen but this is
GtP> Tao" but I can't get my brain to work...do you think saying "Have a
GtP> nice day" several hundred times in eight hours can destroy your mind?
No, but if you say it to enough people in a day, it might be
detrimental physically--as some people find the phrase extremely
annoying.
... "Wouldst thou be perfect, do not yelp about God." (Johannes Eckhart)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:14:02
EID:677e 203c19c0
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MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e63
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RJ> Just said to make a point. I only reserved the torture for
RJ> animals that stood a good chance of fighting back.
GtP> Are you looking for volunteer.
Yeah sure, anytime. I used to love wrestling with
my dogs when I was young--midsize models, dontcha know, 40 to
50 pounds of pure-muscled mutt--because they'd put up a good
fight. I'd get all muddy, scratched and chewed on, run around
the yard and the woods. Not really many people my age in the
neighborhood.
GtP> (with fewer side effects) to go into a private place and chant for
a
GtP> half an hour. Besides, I get to wear nifty robes or have an excuse
to
GtP> be naked. Works for me. Besides, we have alot of fun when
we
I've got this big, billowy robe on right now--I seem to wear it
all the time right now, but that has a lot to do with it being
about 55-60 degrees in my room this season. It's thin enough
that it's not smothering, and I can wear my shorts and a T or
less (I hate having to wear winter clothes).
GtP> do stuff together, since I have YET to see more than one ritual that
GtP> was serious for the entire time.
I get together with a group of people in my are at least twice
a month to have night-long drumcircle/keggers--what I really
enjoy about them is that they are purely secular affairs; we're
all a bunch of skinbashing afficionados who like to make a big
noise. I went to two that were under auspices of pagan
ritual (autumn equinox and something like a full moon dealie).
I felt just a *bit* uptight, since some of the people there
just seemed to be a bit too into the "spiritual" thing, and what
I get out of it is a chance to make up some really interesting,
complicated, and speech-inflected patterns. Our regular drum-
circles are really just a gathering of musicians, although some
of them are pagans.
RJ> Actually, I've found it a bit beneficial that I start cross-examining
RJ> the pagans and liberal Christians--it makes me ask penetrating
GtP> Yes, a good discussion with someone who has strong beliefs, but an
GtP> open mind, can be very illuminating and entertaining. I have several
GtP> Christian friends who I enjoy very much.
Last night, I was pondering on a lengthy essay-type post I
was going to address to ALL, based somewhat on that. As a
number of trenchant firebreathers have outright admitted,
they usually don't cross-X the pagans because they keep their
beliefs hush-hush, but I've been thinking about some inherent
pitfalls in that route. I won't go into it at the moment
(my mind's really not up to formulating the whole thesis at
the moment), but it has very much to do with the "revolution
of rising expectations" tack--seeing as how nontraditional,
i.e., non-whitebread jeezoid, religions and beliefs are being
allowed more acceptance in mainstream society--and yet especially
because they consider themselves very much victims of persecution
(quite true, I have no quibble with that), it seems that in the
near future, a "vocal minority" of pagans will start muddying
up what is already a turbulent social fabric. As you know, the
majority of Christians are not the typical asshole fundies we
see in rare form here--they're either like Al or Lynda, or they're
nominal Christians. Yet, it's that vocal pain in the ass that
causes many of their correligionists to fall in line or let them
have all their fun. I seriously doubt that pagans, even though
they tend to favor non-conversion, won't avoid that quagmire, and
the main reason is because of belief. Don't get me wrong, I
also see atheists and agnostics (often in the same boat as pagans)
susceptible to political mobilization as well. I just see their
tack as being a bit easier to fight along certain lines--you'll
probably see some pro-eugenicist movements, which, like others
who might try using a faux science-based ideology, but if they
would use logic to advance dubious methods, logic can be used
to argue against them. It's the problem of political aims based
on nothing more than *belief* which I fear more.
And so, that's why I've started examining the pagan belief
structures with a hard eye--I want to see what I'm pretty sure
is a "historical inevitability", to glibly use a Marxist term.
You know I don't forsee any of you becoming "the enemy", but I'm
afraid I see some of the kernels in the religion qua religion...
... Acapulco Gold--Just A Stony Three Hits Longer!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 28 Jan 96 03:48:36
EID:da4b 203c1e00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e64
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RJ> It's probably a good idea, IMO, for personal relationships--to
RJ> heighten understanding so that one doesn't stay totally in the
RJ> dark about the other's gender-based idiosyncracies.
GtP> Very thoughtful of you. We women, like you men, do have our quirks
GtP> that totally confuse the other sex.
One thing that's always bothered me is the difference girltalk
has from guytalk in "conquest" stories. Women always whine
about how guys are such pigs for kissing and telling--but it's
usually in a positive manner. I rarely hear guys sit around and
talk about all the lousy lays they've had--and it seems that's
more often the focus of the female side, just from my observation.
Can't say *I've* been a topic, since you'd have to look PRETTY
hard to find anyone with firsthand experience.
GtP> is mixed, I would have overcome the "race" thing. Not so. I tend
to
GtP> be anxious around Oriental men...for no reason that I can find. And
I
GtP> LOATHE Jewish women from New York (and not all Jewish women, since
one
GtP> of my dearest friends is a JAP-turned-pagan from Boston)....all I have
GtP> to do is hear one of them whining in that nasally voice....sorry,
What, you don't find Fran Drescher's voice a turn-on.
GtP> where was I. But you see how it is. I guess I'm not perfect
GtP> yet. (BTW, I DO know where that prejudice comes from...having to deal
GtP> with the "rich" girls in college, most of whom where either East Coast
GtP> Jews or Southern "belles"....)
I have a few prejudices, but there's not much point in going
into it right now. Mainly, I like to drop ethnic slurs for
laffs about groups no one tends to think of--calling Scots
a bunch of thistle-arsed, knock-kneed bogtrotters, for one.
I'm always up for a good tweak of the Limey nose--and I happen
to be half-English, biologically. I haven't come up with any
good ones for Hungarians (my other half) yet.
RJ> I've read up on chaos theory, and it's affected my
RJ> philosophical standpoint. Religious systems seem like one of those
RJ> linear constraints that are detrimental by virtue of imposition on a
RJ> nonlinear environment (individual minds)--and the more linear
RJ> and narrow, the worse they are. Roman Catholicism and
RJ> fundamentalism, for two specifics.
GtP> Don't forget Islam.
Zackly.
... ... Just when you find out life's a bitch, it has puppies.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Women's Roles
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:00:24
EID:4319 203c2000
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e65
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3108829b
RJ> "I like spitting in people's food before I serve it to them.
RJ> It doesn't hurt them, but I get a chuckle out of it, and no
RJ> one else is the wiser."
GtP> Hey, I thought you liked torturing little animals...what gives.
Well, that's how I do it--I hock a loogie in the tin cup of
hamster chow when the furry little rodents aren't looking.
... Troubled by kleptomania? Take something for it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: JESSE CHRIST JONES
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:02:40
EID:7416 203c2040
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e66
JB> Well, I gotta say it's pretty funny for this little ole heathen who
JB> supposedly got her commuppance in August (I'm sure there were more
JB> than a couple fundies chortling about the possibility of us being out
JB> in the street) when Leo lost his job.
JB> It looks like we're going to CLEAR an extra 15K this year. And that's
JB> WITH paying for a second residence and the expenses of a car, which
we
JB> didn't have before. I've managed to get every one of our bills caught
JB> up and am starting to replace the savings we had to use. By June, I
JB> should be able to afford the new computer I want without having to
JB> incur new debt to do it.
You must have the luck of my parents. Somehow things happen to
occur right as money gets tight which keeps them afloat and
back to their usual level of "way in debt". Things were getting
lean last year and my dad got cancer--turns out the insurance
ponied up more than the treatments cost. My mom said, "Only
_we_ could make a profit off cancer."
JB> No gods required.
None at all. I'm really not sure what my dad's beliefs are,
but he's not a religious man at all. I think I may have turned
my mom into an atheist--we talk about religion a lot.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:07:38
EID:0fe2 203c20e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e67
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e105
RJ> How much would a vintage Mellotron cost these days?
JS> Dunno...but you might give Big City Music a call at: (818)985-0855.
JS> They deal in used vintage equipment...
JS> Of course the EMU Vintage Keys voice module has 'em all for less than
JS> you would pay for just one (and a whole lot more portable. Those
JS> suckers used to weigh a ton!)
I could imagine--especially since there's so many moving parts
(all the mechanical work, tape loops and everything). But,
like a tubestack, that's what gives it that wonky, clunky,
juddery sound that makes it so much fun.
... Ven der putz shteht, ligt der sechel in drerd.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:09:43
EID:f8df 203c2120
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e68
RJ> nightly stories of the Khmer Rouge and mounting deathtolls
RJ> in Cambodia.
AS> Yeah, I guess you've seen your share of horrors too.
Lucky me, I couldn't do what all four-year-olds normally did.
I had to be too fucking precocious for my own good. I watched
Nixon's resignation on TV, live. Can't say I knew what was
going on, or how big a deal it was, other than our Head Honcho
was out of the game. And yet I somehow started showing signs
of Republicanism in my single-digit years.
RJ> detente talks, and unless accords were reached _"war is
RJ> inevitable"_(I doubt I'll *ever* forget those words).
AS> In the LATE seventies? I'm trying to think of a time when relations
AS> got that bad...(Not doubting you, just trying to think what it could
AS> have been.)
It was just before the SALT talks. And another fun incident
from '78--the time we were three minutes from nuclear anihilation
because some joker at NORAD put the wrong program in the war
computer one time, instead of the "this is a drill" tape, it
was the "this is NOT a drill" one--and I understand they even
went as far as broadcasting the EBS signal without "This is only
a test" in the shpiel. I don't remember that, but heard about
it in civics class some years later.
RJ> Yeah, by 1991, I often had a sense of relief in discussions
RJ> of world politics, because it was nice for once in my life
RJ> to not be obsessed with the fear of a great screaming in the
RJ> sky.
AS> It's nice to live in a time that is not quite so paranoid.
I wouldn't say that--there's probably *more* paranoia now.
Even with all the rhetoric, most people stayed on kilter in
the Cold War days because they knew the Reds were just as
hooked on power and money as the US--and they wouldn't want
to blow a great moneymaking venture like a Cold War and massive
military buildup they had no real intention of using. I got
to sleep many a night trying that rationale.
As one pundit put it, re: the end of the war, that "now the dragon
in the forest has been defeated, all the snakes come slithering
out of the trees." Now we've got GENUINE loonies, many who think
their god will give them an E-ticket to Paradise for destroying
The Great Satan; we've got petty thugs looking to set up countries
on clods of dirt in the name of genocide, and we've got a huge
former superpower trying in a few corners to act like it knows
what century this is, but plenty of folks think it's time for
the Tatars to come riding in on horseback to Mongolian Clusterfuck
every enemy they can dig up from their history since the Scythians.
It's nowhere NEAR over yet.
... Quick and painless...or slow and lingering?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:26:14
EID:4fb1 203c2340
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e69
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org fdfde426
KW> BTW, most blood collection services will allow family members and
KW> friends to donate a pint for a recipient. They will then not charge
KW> that pint to the recipient (there will be handling charges, but those
KW> are small compared to the full charge). You don't have to be of the
KW> matching blood type. For a triple bypass, the surgeon will want to
KW> have six pints of whole blood, and four pints of fresh, frozen plasma
KW> crossmatched and on hand.
Another thing catching on is setting up a personal bloodbank.
No need to crossmatch--unless you suddenly change bloodtype
in your life. I hear it's actually healthy to bleed off
a pint every now and then--you get a whole new batch of fresh
RBCs, and there's supposed to be something about the iron
levels in the blood which is improved from it. Who'da thunk
it, that those medieval barbers might've occasionally done
some good for some people "aye, m'lud, sit ye down in me chair
an' we'll give ye a good bleedin'!"
But still--I don't want none o' that big steel pigsticker
comin' at me 'lessin I'm knocked out fer it!
... Quick and painless...or slow and lingering?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:32:01
EID:75c4 203c2400
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6a
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 4b3f3909
RJ> beliefs. Most (pagans) seem to come from a Christian tradition
RJ> and got seriously soured on it in a powerfully cathartic way.
KW> Not this one. I started out an atheist. Never could buy into the
KW> christ myth. I found myself in the Craft about a decade ago, and had
KW> some trouble admitting to 'loosing' my hard nosed atheist stance.
I figured there necessarily have to be some atheist-turned-
pagans out there, just like there are plenty of atheist-turned
fundy (Prewett, are ya list'nin?) sorts. I can see it as a
slightly more "sensible" switch than the latter, but I'm even
more intrigued by that route than that of believers who remain
believers. Many atheists and agnostics consider themselves
"spiritual" people, and of course lack of belief in God is only
one thing to lack belief in, it doesn't rule out people believing
in a "soul".
KW> right and appropriate for me. If you really have a burning need to
KW> know more, ask me in net or e-mail, and I'll tell you.
I may just have to do that. I won't right now, but when I start
leading up to something on the echo, I'll either come back to
you on it, or you might feel inclined to send your story via net.
KW> And yes, we don't always take our religion, or ourselves seriously.
This, I've learned from the start. I've met very few dour
pagans--which is one main reason I like to hang out with them.
If there's anything I can't stand, it's someone without a
sense of humor. That's actually one of the first things I
becan disliking intensely about fundies when I was really young.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: True Christians
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:42:27
EID:07bd 203c2540
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6b
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org df565073
RJ> REBIRTH??? B-but...that sounds like "born again"!
KW> Reincarnation, not mind wiping, okay? It is because they shed their
KW> skins and look all new and young again.
Yeah, that's one belief I _fully_ intend to put in the hotseat
when I'm sure I've got my brainbox running up to speed. Rein-
carnation, particularly "past lives", is prevalent in so many
religions and belief systems, just like the savior mythos and
tales of an "afterlife". And thus, several religions with
reincarnation beliefs are also responsible for untold human
suffering and misery. Ever heard about what life is like for a
typical Buddhist woman from Cambodia or anywhere else in the
SE Asian peninsula? Not pleasant at all. Picture a nation
full of Maria Russells, only without that gusto for assertion
and self-esteem.
... Did he just say..."splunge"?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:50:40
EID:42dd 203c2640
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6c
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310837c3
RJ> I explained it to McKenzie yesterday or the day before.
DW> I saw that the day after I sent my query.
RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW> Preterite isn't in my dictionary - I checked before asking.
Okeydoke. My Random House College had it. I tell ya, I can't
wait for the OED on CD to actually become affordable--that, and
the Encyc. Brit.
... If I have any belief, it is that faith is a dangerous thing. --RBJ
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:52:50
EID:21c1 203c2680
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6d
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3108399b
RJ> trying to act like some sort of rock messiah who had to let
RJ> everyone see her suffer with the weight of the world on her
RJ> shoulders (what the hell *is* it with Irish rockers?).
DW> What is it with the Irish, period? They have a *beautiful* country,
DW> and all they can to amuse themselves is blow each other (and the
DW> English) up.
Having studied Irish history a bit, I can answer both why the
Irish love blowing each other and the Brits up, as well as why
so many Irish rock bands think they have inject themselves
into every social issue they find fashionable. The nutshell
answer is that the Irish are simply *obsessed* with their history.
The actual answer is much like Irish history itself: incredibly
byzantine in complexity, with as many sides fighting together
and against the same thing, but all agreeing on one thing--the
English are behind it somehow.
RJ> to see the ripples in the punchbowl after she flung that
RJ> sizable turd in it.
DW> There were surprisingly (to me) few ripples.
What, you think having the Pope make a statement later that
week isn't a big enough ripple on its own?
RJ> because, oh, she just couldn't *fathom* why everyone was
RJ> so angry with her.
DW> Isn't she a blonde? :)
I remember her 5:00 shadow being rather dark...
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 28 Jan 96 04:59:16
EID:4f4a 203c2760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6e
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RJ> Ya gotta think...anyone that'll fuck over a friend for a crack
RJ> at their wife isn't thinking rationally in the first place,
DW> That's true. But I wasn't only speaking of fucking over friends.
I think it should just spill over naturally into that. In
the grand scheme of things, any guy with a SO should be viewed
as "friend"--unless you hate the guy, but then why would you
want to date a woman with such bad taste in men? Again, as I
explain my rationale, it becomes clear to all why I date even
less than DRice on average.
DW> It seems that an ethical code that a person has put some thought into
DW> (dare I say, reason & empathy?) is much stronger than a moral code
DW> handed down from on high.
It's what *I've* been trying to say for quite awhile. Inter-
estingly enough, this very topic (ethics and empathy for atheists
vs. believers) is being debated on MENSA--and strangely enough
there are three agnostics who think religion is a good thing
which should be encouraged because it fosters trust and honor.
I started out on the debate thinking it was some sort of joke
(they do an occasional amount of Holysmoking there), but two of
'em are serious--and the other claims he's playing devil's
advocate part of the time. Weird.
... "Why not call it a rock?" --Ford Prefect
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:06:34
EID:8b59 203c28c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6f
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310843f7
DW> 17 years old and in the 10th grade? How does one manage to *fail* a
DW> year of homeschooling?
DW> From the way Kelly mangles her mother tongue, I'd say she should've
DW> been held back 6 or 8 more times.
No, that wasn't Kelly--that was Kris, who we've met here.
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: SATANIST
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:08:27
EID:92dd 203c2900
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e70
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3108447d
RJ> Pound Shithammer on these punks? Notice you don't see much
RJ> dialogue between Satanists and fundies? Could it be that
RJ> fundies are afraid that a Satanist will
RJ> put a curse on them?
DW> You might not be that far off the mark. The Satanists go in for a
DW> similar kind of "juju magic" as the Christians do. :)
Seeing as how most of a fundy's life is devoted to a conscious
regimen of fear, what with fanning a broomstick under their
bed each night looking for demons and science books, most have
been trained to think anyone who professes worship of Satan
is able to make their blood-pentacle-inscribed goathead on
the wall shoot fire from the eyes and horns and make their little
fundy children come after their parents with a butcher knife
and a diabolical laugh. They think these teenage-badass-wannabes
actually can DO something to them!
So I guess their power from Jayzus isn't as strong as they think.
... I always wake up at the crack of ice.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:14:52
EID:5357 203c29c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e71
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310894c3
GtP> Looks like we're gonna miss Burns Night this year. But, since
GtP> it is also the day to honor the Disir (female ancestors of the Norse
GtP> who allegedly hang around and help out...I wish one of them liked to
GtP> do dishes ), we may just have a party at home.
You realize that, after the above graf, I have no choice but
to answer your tag below in this fashion:
GtP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Glenlivet or Aqvavit -- Which for you?
... Write drunk! Edit sober.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:17:32
EID:bf3a 203c2a20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e72
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RJ>> in a leather trench- coat wielding a cat o' nines...but just
RJ>> don't have that guy wear a swastika armband! That could
RJ>> send the wrong message.
GtP> Each culture has its taboos and shames. We can have the Bible in the
GtP> public school library, but we can't have Little Black Sambo. Kinda
GtP> the same thing, no?
Come to think of it, yes. In a way, it's really quite sad
that Germany has to be so militantly hardline about their
free-speech abridgments. It's like they know it's too easy
for the volk to get hooked on it again, sorta like the
way AA tells its members, "You CAN'T drink ANOTHER DROP__EVER!!
YER GONNA DIE if you do! YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!"
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:52:34
EID:5cf8 203c2e80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e73
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RJ> Hey, is FLAME screwy on your end again? I haven't gotten
RJ> single post in my packet nearing two weeks.
MG> Tell your sysop. I'm getting regular messages.
I think it's now sorted out--somewhere up the line the feed
to 390/1 got switched off, and now it's back on. Only thing is,
there were only 11 posts in the packet, so I've lost perhaps
1000 messages--I don't know how many were for me. Was there
anything important I might have missed?
... * Origin: MESSIAH! NETWORK: Killing People For Fun and Prophet!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 28 Jan 96 05:26:04
EID:3e8a 203c2b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e74
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JH> Ol' Phyllis's book was mainly about why Richard Nixon lost to
JH> JFK (double fanfare). It seems there is this group of international
JH> bankers, who just happen to be jews, that control all the elections
JH> by manipulating world finances. JFK was all their fault. It's
JH> nothing more than slightly sanitized Anti-Semitism.
No kiddin'! A secret cabal of Jews decided, "Yeah, you know
what we need in charge of the most powerful country on Earth?
A Roman Catholic." Uh-huh.
JH> The name itself comes from the idea that these secret masters of all
JH> humanity hold annual meetings, the original meeting place being
JH> either a town or estate (I forget which) in the Netherlands named
JH> Bilderberg.
"Hey, we were just there for the waters..."
... "The shortest distance between two puns... is a straight line."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 30 Jan 96 04:15:47
EID:ed79 203e21e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e75
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f0e
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "ABORTION"
RJ> Why do you suppose people insist on making life so needlessly
RJ> difficult for themselves?
DW> Why has Jesse stayed here as long as he has? It's the martyr complex,
DW> Robert. They want to be more like their Savior.
RJ> Too bad Chuckles Martel held the Pyrenees in 711. Maybe we
RJ> wouldn't have as many crucifixationists. After all, Mohammed
RJ> was a merchant.
PS> And I bet the Mongols would have had the shit kicked out of them by
PS> the Muslims, instead of a Christian Europe being smashed into bits.
Then again, even if the Muslims made it through Europe, there
would've been quite a lot of influence on Islam coming from
north of the Rhine--those shaggy blond people managed to do a
heavy number on that Judeo-Platonic mess that sprung up some
800 years before. You can just forget about all those dietary
laws pertaining to pork, for one--a few centuries of Kraut ass-
kicking on the Arabs would've loosened them up on a few things,
just like much of Western Christendom and the continued fasci-
nation with decorating trees in December and hiding eggs in the
spring.
... "Why not call it a rock?" --Ford Prefect
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:12:36
EID:2d34 203d1180
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e76
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a4f0f
RJ> They wouldn't believe such a ridiculous thing in the first
RJ> place. A 6'5" guy would probably just laugh and say "Bring
RJ> 'em on, kid!"
PS> Hell, this little 5' 8" guy would say the same thing with a smile.
Hey, what's wrong with being 5'8"?!?
PS> And if someone really *did* send a demon after me, would I be around
PS> afterwards to express my disapproval to the guy who did it?
Yeah, first I'd say, "OK, you're a better man than I am, Gunga
Din--so...where ya hidin' the hologram projector?" and then,
faiing that, I suppose I _would_ have to start thinking about
the as-yet-unevidenced possibilities, but only after I've
checked myself into a loonybin for observation.
... As private parts to the gods are we--they play with us for their sport
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum...
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:17:00
EID:e0ac 203d1220
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e77
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310a7588
PS> I'm composing a list now, leaning heavily towards the obscure words.
RJ> I'm sure you'll be floccinaucinihilipilificating him in no time.
PS> Doubtlessly. (Yes, I do know what the word means. No, I don't take it
PS> as an insult. )
Of course not, since you'd know you'd be the one doing the
insulting if you were floccinaucinihilipilificating. But
perhaps, that's one word that'll make him trek up to look
through the OED--being one of the only dictionaries that
defines the word.
... Give a man a beer, he'll drink for a minute; teach a man to brew...
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 29 Jan 96 02:19:51
EID:053d 203d1260
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 310e6e78
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RJ> Guess that'll just be a lesson to anyone that pisses me off
RJ> enough that I try to go for their ear or fingers. Those ap-
RJ> pendages are comin' OFF, baby! :->
PS> It's a good trick in a fight against more than one person. Do
PS> something to fuck up one of them pretty badly (snap off an ear, maybe
PS> the nose), and the rest will think twice about messing with you.
Yeah, if you can't fight fair, fight dirty.
If you can't fight dirty...just fight crazy.
... But my assault rifle IS for sport! I use it to hunt BATF agents.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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