God Damned Fundies!
|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:11:40
EID:e2be 203ea960
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616069bf
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21a97
RS> I know all of that, what I was looking for was numbers on how
RS> many base pairs an average weed would have as compared to a
RS> human. I remember seeing that in one of my Bio texts, but I sold
RS> them all back at rock bottom prices to stock up on Environmental
RS> Science texts. You gotta eat you know. This week happens to be
RS> the:
In that case, I have no idea. Jackson once asked me how large the human
genome is and I don't even know that. Plus I forgot to look it up.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: HolySmoke IRC
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:12:51
EID:f5c5 203ea980
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61606b41
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0e171246
>> I'd love to show up if you'd tell the computer moron how to.
>> I have internet access and use netscape. do I need other
>> software and how do I get to your little store there?
SA> Do an info-seek search for mIRC. You can retrieve it with
SA> Netscape, then install it via Windows (shudder). After
SA> familiarizing yourself with the program, configure mIRC to
SA> use "undernet.org" for your server, and port 6667 (or 6668,
SA> as I use). Upon connecting, type "/join #holysmoke". If
SA> you're lucky, some of us will already be there, yakking like
SA> the crazy people that we are.
SA> -Styx (styx@rio.com)
Thanks. Got the software today, just need time to set it up.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:13:54
EID:1424 203ea9a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61606f5c
MG>> Why is human life different from other animal life?
ML> Other animal life is clever enough not to have fundies.
Some of them are even smart enough to eat them before they open their mouths.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: You can lead a horse to scotch, but you can't make him drink.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:15:10
EID:0250 203ea9e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61607396
MG>> I, once upon a time, drank bourbon.
ML> I knew it!
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
MG>> told me that I could drink bourbon or empty the trash with
MG>> my teeth.
ML> Pick the kitty litter from between your teeth, it's most
ML> unbecoming.
After having downed enough of that rotgut yourself, I'm sure that you know
just what kitty litter tastes like.
MG>> Asking what the difference was, they gave me the bourbon as
MG>> a geology major already had the trash under tow.
ML> What? They had stashed scotch bottles in the trash?
Yeah...empty ones...it was the only way the guy could get any.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: ?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:20:23
EID:4655 203eaa80
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SW> God knows everthing guy. If He didnt-He wouldnt be God. God knew
Then why does he test us?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:20:59
EID:2096 203eaa80
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 6160823b
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310d79b7
RS>> Why does your god starve people in Africa?
SW> He dont. Man does. Are we so poor here in Can./US that we have no
SW> means of contributing to the starving nations? Has not God
The United States is a major contributor to the African Nations for the
benefit of the people. Food, medical supplies and other necessities are
sent. But money will not fix everything. Your god sent wome really swell
weather patterns that make it impossible to farm or raise animals as some
of the nomads do. Your god sent a virus that is killing two thirds of the
popuation. Wht did the unborn do to deserve congenital AIDS?
Your god sucks.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:24:00
EID:8f9e 203eab00
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61608e8a
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e73
RJ> 1000 messages--I don't know how many were for me. Was
RJ> anything important I might have missed?
Yeah.....
"I got booted from FN_SYSOP...yuk, yuk, yuk."
"I rammed Joe Blow's internet account with one million megs of mail...yuk,
yuk, yuk."
"You suk, i am the gratest...yuk, yuk, yuk."
"Is that your age, shoe size, IQ or number of white parents...yuk, yuk,
yuk."
"Go suk yer mommy's dik...yuk, yuk, yuk"
"Do not send mail to 'sysop'"
"Learn to configure your software, homo...yuk, yuk, yuk"
On second thought, maybe not....
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: Gods, not god
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:29:11
EID:b2da 203eaba0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 61609222
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901482ed
Gt>> I don't. But I believe the piece of paper I have in my hand
Gt>> that says you owe me $40,000. Pay up.
CM> Take a number... (And then find somthing original to say.)
Why not try answering the question instead of sidestepping. It is a logical
fallacy of believing in an unevidenced god. You know this and refuse to
answer.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:51:00
EID:7bbd 20416660
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 100c6574
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e1221b9
>>> Would YOU vote for a fundamentalist?
>sa> I would be even more proud to see Phil Gramm as president.
>sa> Both Newt and Phil are go-getters. They don't sit on their asses,
>sa> and they tell it as it is.
> You don't fear their probable agenda of installing a theocracy?
No. What I _DO_ fear is being taxed out of my livelihood by
liberals who steal from the working class to give to the lazy
and worthless. Those guys are the ones who have the balls to
do what it takes to curb the trend set by four decades of
democratic tax & spend policies.
Congress has always held the purse strings, and the president
has always served as a figurehead/scapegoat. Now that republicans
lead the congress, a republican president will allow changes to
be effected (affected? whatever) for the better.
Teamwork, instead of headbutting with butthead liberals.
>sa> (As opposed to Slick Willy telling a different story every time,
>sa> and never doing a damned thing for working class America.)
> Clintoon is a huge disappointment... but then we really had
> no other choice offered to us.
That excuse holds no water with me. Bush, for better or worse,
was infinitely better than Clinton. You did have a choice.
(And Bush obviously was not a genuine fundy - he merely knew how
to gain support from the theistic masses by faking it.)
Did you ever examine his face for the giveaway "glazed eyes" that
real fundies have? He didn't have them. His eyes were those of
a sly fox. Clinton isn't smart enough to act sly.
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|From: Steve Hayes
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Grail
|Date: 30 Jan 96 11:25:04
EID:f1ac 203e5b20
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REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310a048e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE 1.11+
On 27 Jan 96 05:38:55, Gwenny the Pooh said to All:
GtP> This reminded me of a show I watched last night on TLC. It was an
GtP> episode of Ancient Worlds entitled "Secrets of the Templar". The
GtP> narrator made an interesting case for the Grail actually being the
GtP> bloodline of Jesus. He said that Jesus was alledgedly a direct
GtP> descendent of King David. He indicated that what Jesus's followers
GtP> saw in him was the ACTUAL king of the Jews, come to free them. He
GtP> recounts the legend that Mary of Magdalene brought the "sangreal" to
GtP> France. What if, he asked, sangreal was NOT san greal, the holy cup,
GtP> but sang real, the royal blood. So that what Mary ACTUALLY had was
GtP> the unborn son of Jesus. (Given that "grail" or cauldron is
GtP> frequently a pagan symbol for womb, esp. the womb of the Great Mother,
GtP> it could work) (Great! Even the ancient myth writers are punsters.
You can read all about that in "The messianic legacy", by Henry Baigent
et. al. They play fast and loose with their historical sources, and
twist them to suit the particular conspiracy theory that they are pushing,
but if you're prepared to take it with a sack or two of salt, it's
quite a fun read. Not as good as Umberto Eco's "Foucault's pendulum",
though.
... Keep well - Steve Hayes
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Agnostic(ism?)
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:09:14
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David Worrell wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> "Have you seen the little piggies
RS> crawling in the dirt
RS> And for all the little piggies
RS> life is getting worse
RS> Always having dirt to play around in."
DW> "Have you seen the bigger piggies
DW> in their starched white shirts
DW> {{{daeD sI luaP}}}
DW> You will find the bigger piggies
DW> stirring up the dirt
DW> Always have clean shirts to play around in."
And to think, Preston snuffed the Beatles.
He's going straight to hell for that.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:16:14
EID:a0d4 203f4a00
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> This is clearly illustrated here in the Pacific Northwest. The timber
RS> battle has once again resurfaced after our wonderful congress in
RS> Washington D.C. tacked on a salvage timber rider to another bill. Of
RS> course the president signed it because the main bill was very important
RS> [this is where a line item veto would come in handy]. It basically
RS> allows timber companies to cut much more than before, wiping out the
RS> forests for centuries to come.
MH> You're comparing apples and pomegranates. I support environmental
MH> protection. You're absolutely right, maintaining the ecosystem is
MH> vitally important to our own survival.
It's the same damn thing, and your religion is partly responsible for all
this. In your religion, only human life is of value.
MH> However, that's not the same as holding that every *individual*
MH> animal is of vital importance. What you do with your cat's fetuses
MH> isn't important to the overall health of the cat family. If your
MH> cat were one of the last seven on the planet, it would.
The same could be said for humans, eh?
One last question. Why is human life any more valuable than animal life?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Time...is on my side...yes, it is...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:19:02
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
JS> Agreed. I just do not necessarily have the desire or the time. I
JS> do, however, read what those more educated in given areas have to
JS> say on these topics here, and take note of what they have to say.
RS> But you have enough time for your religion?
JS> There comes a time in one's life, that if he/she is going to be
JS> serious about this thing that time must be set apart for it. In
JS> other words, I take the time.
Why then, do you insist on remaining ignorant? Why not `make the time'
to use rationality?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Tsk...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:19:52
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to John Prewett:
JS> Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred
JS> Rice makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate
JS> filled spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical
JS> judgement out of them to be vented against God's elect.
I have no such thing, Jimbo.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Women...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:20:17
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> What's wrong [and I'm assuming that you're speaking of a female
RS> minister here...correct me if I'm wrong] with having a female
RS> minister?
JS> I don't know what is 'wrong' with having a woman pastor (or elder
JS> or deacon) other than the Bible indicates it is not the thing to
JS> do:
[...old dusty quotes deleted...]
Can't you see the problem here?
You hold on to a book of literature that's around 2,000 years old with stories
and such from that time period and that society. The problem is that we
don't live in that society, we live in the here and now. While things can
be learned from the literary works of the past it is quite dangerous to
apply such things from yesterday to the world of today. One must keep and
ever expanding worldview, or be left in the dust.
JS> Nothing personal, merely biblical instruction, therefore it is done
JS> in that manner.
How does it feel to not think and rationalize for yourself? I can see you'd
rather just have some cheap `ol instruction book to guide you on your way.
JS> These things are changing. At last year's synod, it
JS> was decided that individual classis could determine for that
JS> classis and as always, the individual congregation has the final
JS> say, once synod and classis has given approval.
So they are going against the `word of god'?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:28:03
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Zayd Allebban wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
-> Oy? So he doesn't. What's the point of going against the opinion of
-> Allah? Are you not a true Muslim?
ZA> OK... Listen up. When I said, "I don't think He thinks so," I was
ZA> saying that I don't think that He thinks it's funny.
How do you know you're thinking the right things for this guy?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: All
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1: DW
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:28:32
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Zayd Allebban wrote in a message to Jim Staal:
-> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet. Some
-> day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along side the
-> head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.) he may
-> learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he wallows in
-> the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
ZA> Thanks for the tip, Jim. You seem like the only decent one left...
ZA> Hopefully WE can got into some religious discussions.
FAQ!
Perhaps with some quoted Staal bigotry as a preface.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1:DW
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:29:30
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Zayd Allebban wrote in a message to Jim Staal:
ZA> Yes, I have found that out by his repeated cussing. Thanks,
ZA> though.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List -
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:29:59
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Zayd Allebban wrote in a message to Katherine Wintersnight:
ZA> If I were to follow the regular message format, I should cuss about
ZA> ... now. And now. And now. And now. And .......
Just do it...come on, can't you feel the pressure?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: ?
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:37:59
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Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Impossible. Your god would have to be not all-knowing to allow
RS> freewill. Seeing as you state that he is all-knowing he would know
RS> what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen. One would
RS> then come to the conclusion that since your god already knows what you
RS> are going to do, the choice has been made already.
RS> If you deny this, then you contradict your very own godhead.
SW> God knows everthing guy. If He didnt-He wouldnt be God. God knew
SW> who was gonna follow Him from the beggining. It says in the Bible
SW> that known unto God are all His works since the beggining. Just
SW> becuase God knows the outcome of things doesnt mean that its His
SW> will that certain things happen.
You are deluded. Read my above quote slowly, and at least three times.
SW> Lets you you had a time machine, and went back in time. Would you
SW> interfere with the events of history since you know the outcome?
No one knows. At this time, time travel is reserved for science fiction
books.
SW> God's Word come to pass then? Since God is a man of His Word, He
SW> wont interfere with whats destined to happen.
You seem to rather confused. Here you state that things are `destined to
happen' yet you claim to have free will. The two contradict each other.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:40:32
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Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
SW> First of all, I simply informed J.j. that if he will reap what he
SW> sows. Everyone will guy, I will, and you will. Im not against J.j.
SW> , I would just like to see him repent and get to know Christ as His
SW> Lord.
Quit shoving _your_ religion in the faces of others. Christians would not
catch so much shit if they'd just get off the damn street corners and leave
people alone.
Do you see people of other religions pushing their dogma on people? [Well,
besides the Hare Krishna...but then again they're not that pushing...they
just sing and dance].
SW> And as for blessing J.j. , it means more then you know. Is it wrong
SW> for me to bless people in the name of Christ?
Perhaps these people don't want to participate in your voodoo rituals.
Ever think of that?
SW> May God bless you and bring you to a knowledge of the truth.
The only place knowledge comes from the grey matter between one's ears...somthing
I see you lack.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:43:47
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Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
SW> I myself wouldnt guy. And neither would God. God loves all of His
SW> children and never would torture any of them.
RS> Why does your god starve people in Africa?
SW> He dont. Man does. Are we so poor here in Can./US that we have no
SW> means of contributing to the starving nations?
You're an ignorant fool.
We [the western world] created more than half of the problems in Africa.
First through colonization, second by sending them a bunch of food. By
sending them free handouts we create an artificial situation over there.
The population increases because of the influx of food and then we end up
sending even more food.
The correct and pragmatic response to the situation would be to not send
them any food. That way their population levels would drop to a level at
which they could feed themselves off of the land that they have.
SW> Has not God provided
SW> most of us with jobs?
I must have gotten the short end of the stick then, I've been out of work
for a couple of weeks. Would you mind putting in a good word for me?
SW> trusted with much. If you have a means of helping the less
SW> fortunate with the money God provides for you, why not help?
God does not provide my money. I _EARN_ it. I worked late nights and many
hours at slave labor wages to _EARN_ my money.
As for giving money, I am no position at the moment to give. That will
come later in life after I'm finished working my ass of earning a living
and paying my own way through the university.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:49:10
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Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> The Bible is the word of god because god says so.
RS> It doesn't work that way.
SW> Well, when you meet Him face to face, you can tell Him that. But, I
SW> dont think He's gonna believe ya....
How do you _know_ all these things? How do you _know_ what happens when
you die?
I take it you've died before?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:49:49
EID:89bc 203f4e20
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Steve Wallis wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Oh shit, I shouldn't have said that prayer just quite yet. I had
RS> plans to rape the women living in the next five blocks. After I was
RS> finished doing that, I would have obviously had to kill them. Finally
RS> I would just burn down the whole damn place to get rid of the
RS> evidence.
RS> I would then walk into the park, say the prayer thingy, and be saved.
RS> Wow, this is great.
RS> I've written the prayer down. I might need it later tonight.
SW> I didnt think so...God knows the heart guy. You can fool others,
SW> you can even fool yourself, but you cant fool God. Just as the
SW> heavens are higher than the earth, so are God's thought's and ways
SW> higher than mans.
Rest assured, I'm not planning on burning down the next block. I wrote
that to illustrate a big problem with christianity. It is evidenced by
the born-again prison inmates who you think will go with heaven to be with
this god dude because they accepted this hippy guy into their hearts.
SW> These be evil days and times Ryan. We must pray that the devil
SW> never gets a foothold on our lives. For the devil was a murder
SW> since the beginning.
If this were anything but religion, you'd be in a mental hospital.
RS> belief system any more correct than the belief system of someone else?
RS> Why do you close your mind to other possibilities?
SW> Becuase Im right! It say's in the Bible "Sanctify them in Thy
SW> Truth, Thy Word is Truth." and "The Lord swore and will not
SW> repent." and "given unto us are eceedingly great and precious
SW> promises."
I'm sure religious texts of other religions state the same thing to the
other followers.
Don't you see the problem here?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: About ME!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 09:53:10
EID:bf60 203f4ea0
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 10f754b5
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9019b31f
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
Christian Miller wrote in a message to All:
CM> Here I thought no one loved me anymore! You guys are just talking
CM> ABOUT me instead of TO me. Gee, I get left out of my own
CM> conversations!!!
I thought you were leaving.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: All
|Sub: Lyric of the Week: Meet Cthulhu, Darling
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:48:06
EID:417f 203f8e00
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 10ff1a90
CHRS: ibmpc 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
* Forwarded (from: masq_music) by Ryan Shaw using timEd/2 1.10+.
* Originally from Liche (235:1109/5) to All.
* Original dated: Tue Jan 02, 00:16
>>> Forwarded by Liche (235:1109/5)
>>> Area : ERIS (PODS Eris)
>>> From : Phillip Barker, 93:9801/0 (Sunday December 24 1995 13:05)
>>> To : All
>>> Subj : Meet Cthulhu, Darling
GRANDMA GOT RUN OVER BY A SHOGGOTH
(Tune: "Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer"
Style: allegro, con calamari)
[chorus]
Grandma got run over by a shoggoth
Looks like she's been mauled by angry Spam
Some folks say there's no such thing as Cthulhu,
But tell that to the thing that squished our Gram.
We had offered her the guest room
In our cottage by the sea,
But she insisted she would walk home
Though the night wind seemed to say "Tekeli-li!"
When we found her the next morning,
She was strewn about in chunks
She had been decapitated,
Crushed, and covered o'er with protoplasmic gunk.
[chorus]
Now we're all concerned for Grandpa,
Though the doc says he'll be fine
It just doesn't quite seem normal
To decorate a Christmas tree with Elder Signs.
All our relatives in Arkham
Called to share our bitter tears,
But we still declined their offer
To reanimate poor Grandma for New Year's.
[chorus]
Though the turkey smells delicious,
We're just not a hungry bunch...
How can we have Christmas dinner,
When the thought of Grandma makes us lose our lunch?
I tell all my friends and neighbors,
"This was Grandma's dying wish:
Just be ready with your shotguns
If, when Santa comes, he smells like rotting fish!"
(Sing it, Grandpa!)
[chorus, repeated ad nauseam... once should be enough :-)]
--
## Jeremy Buhler * scatology recapitulates philology * Rice University ##
þ SLMR 2.1 þ If you can't beat them, join them, then beat them.
-+- WM v3.11/92-0603
+ Origin: EarthRite|+1.541.348.2505 Supra v.fc/V34 (93:9801/0.0)
=============================================================================
I like it. You like it. We all like it.
Liche
And now, a word from our sponsors:
eh? you have confused me - Entrippy
___ And into empty Godforsaken minds without reality
- Origin: A single note rings on and on and on (235:1109/5)
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:56
EID:b5ef 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea1c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Christian Miller mumbled "Re: Abortion"
CM> You're a druid, and think trees are alive?
SA> Trees ARE alive, you nitwit. Plants breathe, grow, metabolise,
CM> That was a typo, I meant that they had souls. Besides, that message
Properly speaking, it was you putting your foot into your mouth. Typing
"are alive" when you tried to type "have souls" isn't a typo, it's just
a fuck up.
... In case of emergency, break glass. Scream. Bleed to death.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:56
EID:7f78 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea1d
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Christian Miller mumbled "Re: Fundy Follies!"
DC> Do yourself a favor and provide evidence that that god of
DC> yours does exist.
CM> How would that be doing _me_ a favor? I believe that would be helping
CM> you out, more than I.
It's like this: If your Judgment Day ever *does* roll around, then God will
call you to task for not getting off your lazy ass and doing a better job
of preaching to us, rather than being a pompous ass who runs his god's
name through the mud.
... Can I get you something...Some nuts? A beverage? A shot to the head?
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:57
EID:f0eb 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea20
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Christian Miller mumbled "Re: hi"
KD> So if you beat a dog, and that dog rips your throat out for it, the
KD> dog is in the wrong?
CM> God doesn't beat you for no reason. You must've done somthing wrong,
CM> in the first place.
Yeah, just like the Midianite kids that he ordered slain, and all the
little kids who bought it in the flood. What did they do that was
worthy of death, Chuckles?
... Christian is not a complete idiot--several parts are missing.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:58
EID:7610 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea23
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "ABORTION"
RJ> heavy number on that Judeo-Platonic mess that sprung up some
RJ> 800 years before. You can just forget about all those dietary
RJ> laws pertaining to pork, for one--a few centuries of Kraut
True. If one of those folks wanted to eat pig, there wasn't much that
would stop him.
RJ> ass- kicking on the Arabs would've loosened them up on a few
RJ> things, just like much of Western Christendom and the continued
RJ> fasci- nation with decorating trees in December and hiding eggs
RJ> in the spring.
An interesting thought. Another plus in Islam's favor was the fact that
they didn't get hung up on Aristotle the way the Christians did. I wonder
how different Western society would have become if the Muslims *had*
won at Tours and Poitiers.
... Forrest Fudd: Wife is wike a box of chocowates.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:58
EID:b65d 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea24
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "I'M BACK"
PS> Hell, this little 5' 8" guy would say the same thing with a smile.
RJ> Hey, what's wrong with being 5'8"?!?
Short jokes.
PS> And if someone really *did* send a demon after me, would I be around
PS> afterwards to express my disapproval to the guy who did it?
RJ> Yeah, first I'd say, "OK, you're a better man than I am, Gunga
RJ> Din--so...where ya hidin' the hologram projector?" and then,
Probably my first guess as well.
RJ> faiing that, I suppose I _would_ have to start thinking about
RJ> the as-yet-unevidenced possibilities, but only after I've
RJ> checked myself into a loonybin for observation.
Having already been in a loonybin for observation (*not* a pleasant
experience), I'll just have to say, "Swelp me, the damn' thing's a
demon. Huh. Guess I'll get to see if this li'l ol' revolver of mine
can discourage him."
... If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:58
EID:f779 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea25
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Preston's temper tantrum..."
RJ> perhaps, that's one word that'll make him trek up to look
RJ> through the OED--being one of the only dictionaries that
RJ> defines the word.
Nah. He'll whine and complain until someone breaks down and tells him
what it means.
... "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:58
EID:3687 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea26
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "A LITTLE HELP FROM
SP"
PS> It's a good trick in a fight against more than one person. Do
PS> something to fuck up one of them pretty badly (snap off an ear, maybe
PS> the nose), and the rest will think twice about messing with you.
RJ> Yeah, if you can't fight fair, fight dirty.
RJ> If you can't fight dirty...just fight crazy.
I've not had to fight. Usually I could stave it off by being placating
("I'm sorry about that") or by innuendo ("You have to go to sleep
sometime") or by sheer craziness ( "What's
this? You want to pick a fight with *me*" ).
... "There doesn't seem to be a Klingon word for 'jolly.'" -- Troi
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:59
EID:3712 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea27
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "White-lighter Religions"
RJ> I've discovered the fascinating uses of those little clumps
RJ> of endocrine sitting atop my kidneys this weekend...
Adrenaline can be fun for everybody.
RJ> I put in about 27 hours this weekend working, and I've got an
RJ> alligator-choking wad of cash to show for it even before my
RJ> paycheck comes in. I started Friday afternoon, and since I
Bastard. I guess Satan's paychecks got through, eh?
RJ> hustled my ass off, I'm so keyed on adrenaline I haven't slept
RJ> but maybe 3 or 4 hours since Friday morning, and have only
RJ> had about 300 calories a day to eat/drink. It's 1:30am, and
That's *not good* for your body. I was on a reduced diet for the
holidays (1000 calories a day) and wound up with anemia.
RJ> I still won't be falling asleep for another 4 hours, by my
RJ> guess.
I stayed up late last night because my school was closed due to
inclement weather.
... Sometimes the garbage disposal gods demand an offering of a spoon.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:59
EID:ec2b 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea28
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "RUDE!"
PS> to be afraid of us; after all, what he's said so far doesn't seem to
PS> stack up to what we can respond with.
RJ> Speaking of "stacking up", I suppose it would be fun if we
RJ> asked if he'd like to "stand on his stack of OED volumes and
RJ> say that to our faces."
We may have to start handing him that.
... "This could be messier than I thought." -- Al Calavicci
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:59
EID:21a9 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea29
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""
PS> No, you don't. It's kind of a moot point, though, because I hate the
PS> Beatles.
RJ> Well, objectively speaking, I can see a possibility for
RJ> someone to "not like" the Beatles, but *hate*...? |8-O
I hate the way they look, the way they sing, what they sing, and
just about everything about them. Perhaps part of me is just churlish
towards them because everybody else likes 'em.
... DM: Behind the door is a red dragon. PC: I close the door!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:59
EID:b307 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2a
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Jeezoids"
PS> Good luck on weathering your mental storms.
RJ> I'm not making any plans, but I think the recent workload
RJ> (which I mentioned previously) has done something really
RJ> fantastic to my moodswing. Then again, the black dog which
That's always good to know. Sometimes, burying yourself in work
does wonders. You don't have *time* to be upset about anything.
RJ> was creeping around just might take a huge grab at my throat
RJ> later this week when I get the rest of this adrenaline out
RJ> of my system. Boy, it's FUN to be a Type-A++ personality!
Type A++s never really relax, you know. They sleep with one eye open,
chainsaw close at hand...
... C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:15:59
EID:9d9a 203f89e0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2b
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "Christian Miller's
Christianity"
PS> Puts me in mind of a character from "Pulp Fiction." If you've seen it,
PS> I'm sure you can guess which one.
RJ> "Bring out The Gimp, Zed."
"The Gimp's sleepin'."
"Well, guess you're just gonna have to wake 'im up now, won't ya?"
... If you aren't part of a solution, you are a precipitate.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: creation
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:16:00
EID:c35e 203f8a00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2c
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "creation"
DW> There are times when a foil or rapier is the appropriate weapon. When
DW> the foil is ineffective, one must bring out the hammer and mace.
This is true. May I quote you in the future?
... Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:16:00
EID:b442 203f8a00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2d
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Hurry! Hurry!"
DW>> Curse me, chickenshit.
SS> O.K., I curse you and will turn you into a Southern Baptist. Is that
SS> bad enough?
DW> I can see I'm going to have to commit *two* homicides when I'm next
in
DW> Memphis. :)
Let me know when you get into town. Maybe the three of us can get together
someplace and talk.
... "I take orders from just one person! Me!" - Han Solo
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:16:00
EID:cc3f 203f8a00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2e
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Jim Staal"
JS>> I referencing the personal attacks that were foisted upon me the
JS>> day I walked into this place. My point was this: I can walk into
JS>> the toughest bar in the city and people don't do that.
DW> We're scared, Jimbo. Really. Would I lie to you?
It's another example of trying to intimidate us by showing how "big" he
is. *I* can walk into the toughest bar in the city. Everyone I
know could walk into the toughest bar in the city (Walking *out* may
be a slightly different affair, but I don't go looking for fights the
way Jimmy seems to).
... "The DM won't hit us with anything till we get to the dungeon."
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:16:00
EID:9de3 203f8a00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea2f
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Judith Bandsma mumbled "LYNDA GOES OVER..."
JS> (Mat 7:16 NIV) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people
JS> pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
PS> Have you ever heard of the proposition that human beings are fallible
PS> and have been wrong about things before?
JB> Actually, Preston, that is the last one I expected Jim to come up
JB> with. Due to the fact that it puts him in such a bad light. I've always
You'll never see him admit that. He'd rather accuse us of being, vile,
hateful, angry people.
JB> understood that verse to say that those whose words and works engender
JB> hatred, dissension and disgust are not to be followed. Kinda puts
JB> Jimmy right at the head of the list, doesn't it?
Sure does, but try explaining that to him.
... He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:16:00
EID:3afe 203f8a00
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 310fea30
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "Circular reasoning"
JS> they are all basically 'theories' as no one is/was actually
JS> there to witness the fact.
MG> What's the speed of light, Jimbo?
He'll tell you that it's a theory, despite Michaelson and Morley.
... SANITY.SYS corrupt... Mind Lost
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:52:15
EID:ee63 203f9680
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 311000ac
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Coridon Henshaw mumbled "alleged 'christians'..."
PS> friend does not automatically mean that I am an enemy who seeks to
PS> destroy you and your children so that your kind will breed no more,
PS> then you'll do a bit better.
CH> Mind you, this *IS* Staal you're talking about. The world would be
CH> better off if his kind didn't breed.
Probably so.
... "Didn't I see this on a David Copperfield special?" - Yakko
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Halfwits
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:52:15
EID:e08d 203f9680
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 311000ad
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Coridon Henshaw mumbled "Halfwits"
PS> Incidentally, I've heard that British Columbia has legalized marijuana
CH> British Columbia as in BC, Canada?
The very same.
CH> That's kind of odd, because (AFIAK) drugs are a federally-controlled
CH> matter in Canada.
Don't look at me, I was just relating the story.
... Cthulhu: Living the life of R'lyeh
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:52:15
EID:824b 203f9680
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 311000ae
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Coridon Henshaw mumbled "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."
CH> Those cheap DSP-based soundboards/modems are real pains, aren't
CH> they...
"It acts like a Sound Blaster, without actually having one in it!" I am
suspicious of such foul magic.
CH> You should have had your system built to spec, as I did. You end up
True, but as it was offered to me, I took it.
PS> And am merrily banging away on my new system. It took me three days
to get
PS> the hardware done the way I wanted it done, and there's still a minor
PS> bug (no CD sound since I can't connect the player directly to the card
PS> with a 40-pin connector. Any ideas?)
CH> You need a seperate 2-4 pin cable connected to your sound board and
CH> your CD-ROM to get audio. These cable's aren't standard, so you'll
Got that. I'm now looking at tinkering with MSCDEX to get it to work.
CH> I assume you know enough about FAT not to make each drive one
CH> partition?
I had a small drive (340 meg) lose 83 meg in bad sectors to a FAT cluster-
fuck. I probably need to partition the drives, but I'm leery of doing
anything that I don't really understand. Mind explaining exactly what
the hell it is partitioning does?
... "Game over, man! Game over!" -Hudson
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:15:19
EID:2223 203fa1e0
MSGID: 1:123/67 310fce69
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310ee827
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
31 Jan 96 03:21, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS>> I'm sorry you cannot accept it.
JS>> You blindly accept 'facts' from a science book that tell you that
JS>> 'x' star is 'x' light years from earth, or that black holes
JS>> exist, or that man evolved from an amoeba when they are all
JS>> basically 'theories' as no one is/was actually there to witness
JS>> the fact.
SS>> Your scientific ignorance would be laughable if it weren't so
SS>> pathetic. How do you expect anyone to take you fundies seriously
SS>> when the message is so, so weak and the messenger so very lame.
JS> Merely pointing out the fallacy of your own argument, Shelby...
ROFL! You moron. How could anyone with a modicum of intelligence
compare the observed and scientifically sound measurement of the
distance of stars from the earth with the circular reasoning that
fundies employ?
You're lighter than popcorn, milk-crate.
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Get over it!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:17:58
EID:b229 203fa220
MSGID: 1:123/67 310fcea9
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310ee828
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
31 Jan 96 03:22, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> No hurt here, dipshit. I am used to the insensitivity and
SS>> sanctimony of christians.
JS> Then why do you have Judy continue to whine on about it?
I don't *have* Judith do anything, you paranoid twit.
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:19:10
EID:16a1 203fa260
MSGID: 1:123/67 310fcee9
REPLY: 1:330/204@fidonet.org 2c888baf
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
30 Jan 96 20:27, quoting Steve Macdonald to All:
SM> HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER. I DON'T
SM> KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SM> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
Turn off your caps lock and bring evidence of the existence of your
god. This should do for a starter.
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Death
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:20:54
EID:d14d 203fa280
MSGID: 1:123/67 310fcf8c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310ee82b
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
31 Jan 96 03:41, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> There was _no_ comfort from any god. I was there. Lon (and
SS>> you/or you) are full of shit. Get it?
JS> My question is: who are you to speak for your father-in-law, the guy
JS> to whom it would matter?
I was there, you nitwit. I was his caregiver. My father in law died
hard and there was no comfort from an imaginary god or savior.
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:01:02
EID:4669 203e6020
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a4
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d2
So, who may I be addressing today??
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Steve Rose <=-
SR> They are highly focused on your wallet. That part definately
SR> needs no speech.
JS> Hmmm...there was no evidence of it.
SR> Show us your weekly church contribution (tithe) list. Your tax-return
SR> will do. All the evidence of your addiction one would ever need is on
SR> that paper.
JS>
JS> That would not prove that the church required a thing from me. I could
JS> go to church all the rest of my life and not contribute one cent and
JS> not hear a word from them on the matter. (I would lose at the IRS
JS> office, but that is another story)
We would also have no evidence that your particular church is
merciful enough to let you stay if you do not pay them...
Sue
... I'd love to help you out -- which way did you come in?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:15:29
EID:2519 203e61e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a5
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d5
So Jimmy, which duplicate is winning today?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
Lu> ....Uh oh, I feel as tho I must have been back in my Prime Tyme days
Lu> when I watched that movie.....{Gag, Choke, Puke} You're.......right.
Lu> I ......was............>>>>>>>>> wrong(cough).
JS> Tough, ain't it? :) You spent a bit more time with Bud than I. I
JS> left when I was still a teenager and found that the only way to
JS> live was to admit wrong when I did it and get the woman offa my
JS> back.:)
Yo, Jimmy...which "woman" would this be? Would this be your wife
that you vowed to respect, or your mother that you are commanded to
honor?
JS> But hey, at least in addition to all the denizens of evil who told
JS> you about it, you a bro who could tell you in love.
Or something...;(
Sue
... It's ALWAYS dark if you never open your eyes!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Women...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:23:15
EID:b511 203e62e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a6
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82cc
Which bigot do I have the "pleasure" of talking to today?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Ryan Shaw <=-
RS> What's wrong [and I'm assuming that you're speaking of a female
RS> minister here...correct me if I'm wrong] with having a female
RS> minister?
JS> I don't know what is 'wrong' with having a woman pastor (or elder or
JS> deacon) other than the Bible indicates it is not the thing to do:
But how does this relate to what you know women can and do learn on
bible manners? Do YOU (not the bible) think that it is fair for a less
well trained man to be teaching when a better trained woman cannot
because of a single chromosome?
RS> Do you ever stand up and ask questions?
JS> Not in the worship service as it has structure as per Paulline
JS> directive. In our midweek Bible study however, question is the name
JS> of the game.
So why can you not question the role of women in the church?
Sue
... Bend the facts to fit the conclusion. It's easier that way.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Time...is on my side...yes, it is...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:31:03
EID:0f6d 203e63e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a7
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82cd
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Ryan Shaw <=-
RS> What's wrong with a little research? You could actually figure out
RS> that you were wrong about some things.
JS> Agreed. I just do not necessarily have the desire or the time. I
JS> do, however, read what those more educated in given areas have to
JS> say on these topics here, and take note of what they have to say.
RS> But you have enough time for your religion?
JS> There comes a time in one's life, that if he/she is going to be
JS> serious about this thing that time must be set apart for it. In other
JS> words, I take the time.
So what else takes up time in your life that you cannot spend time
to learn? Methinks it is that you have no desire to be shown wrong...
Sue
... When a hammer is your only tool, all problems appear to be nails...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: behind a monitor?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:35:30
EID:c2a9 203e6460
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82ce
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Mark Hogan <=-
MH> Oh, so you'd rather people duked it out, or hid behind a weapon.
MH> I see. Good reasoning.
JS> I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely suggest that a person
JS> conduct themselves here as they would in person. Things would be a
JS> whole lot more constructive that way. I also pointed out that at least
JS> in my personal experience, people who discuss things face to face do
JS> not behave in the manner they do in an anonymous medium such as this.
JS> True, some do behave this way (usually when drunk) in person, but not
JS> the ratio as in this faceless medium. This leads me to believ one of
JS> two things:
JS> a. this place is populated by a large number of violent-pron or
JS> drunk individuals :), or
JS> b. it is something that is unwittingly promoted by fact it is a
JS> faceless medium .
People here are free to treat other people here with the level of
respect that is earned, not that enforced by external society's rules or
fear for personal safety. This echo is a society onto itself,
following the moderators rules. You just so happen to espouse a view
that is NOT respected and use tactics that show you to be a coward, so
in THIS society you are treated without respect.
MH> This medium precludes physical violence. This is a good thing,
MH> especially when the subject matter and peoples' tempers are
MH> considered. Why you're so disposed in using size as a reason for
MH> people to not debate with you is still, in one way or another,
MH> foolish.
JS> If people would use common decency with as measure of dignity and
JS> respect there wouldn't be this sort of problem.
There are many places that a non-theist viewpoint is NOT respected,
Jimmy. This just so happens to be a place that a strong fundy viewpoint
is not respected. No problem here, as you are free to leave whenever the
kitchen gets too hot for you.
MH> You're in a wholly different medium. You must accept that. It's not
MH> cowardly, it's simply the agent that is used to 'connect' us all. I
MH> can only advise you to 'get used to it.' Your complaint about size,
or
MH> the cravenness of the people here, is irrelevent.
JS> As it would/does not happen in 'real time' I see it as cowardly
JS> _and_ very relevant.
Like your abundant use of aliases....;)
Sue
... Cap'n! The twit shields canna take much more o' this!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Evidence!?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:52:51
EID:586f 203e6680
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42a9
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82cf
So Jimmy, who is coming out to play today?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
KDM> Now, I am
KDM> not denying that an omnipotent being could flood the planet and leave
KDM> no evidence; what I am asking is why an omnipotent being would, in
KDM> effect, lie, and why you would worship such a being.
JS> Why is it a lie?
Doing something that should leave lots of evidence and cleaning up
all that evidence later so tha the event would require "faith" is a lie.
JS> One reason would be to require faith. No one needs faith to accept
JS> the blatant obvious. (although for those who believe, the existance
of
JS> God is blatantly obvious.)
So why did he not make Gwenny's life better when SHE believed? Why does
he not come to dinner at one of the many offered settings if he is so
blatently obvious?
Sue
... I'm having a hard time swallowing this. Can I have a dogma bag?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Why should we love you for what you are...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 12:58:12
EID:a2e6 203e6740
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42aa
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d0
Who are you, anyways...;)
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
KDM> Perhaps so; I may have missed it. Either way, Lynda doesn't have
KDM> to respect you, or like you, merely because you give the same name
KDM> to the god you worship.
JS> Perhaps not in the eyes of man...
What about the eyes of WOMAN? That is the subject of the comment
above....
Sue
... If he was a car, all of his idiot lights would be now be flashing.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Circular...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:01:21
EID:0f18 203e6820
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42ab
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d1
Which one of your duplicates came out of the duplicator today?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
JS> And it can only be accepted by faith. I have no problem with that. 2
JS> Timothy 3:16 says it for me, Dick.
PS> That is circular reasoning, Jim. You might as well say that because
PS> this IOU I have says that it's true, then you really do owe me US$1.8
PS> billion.
JS> Not even close.
Are there elves in the world because I have a book by Mercedes
Lackey that says there are? You just can't see them because they are
hiding underground. You just have to believe, since the book tells you
they exist, and the book cannot be wrong, now, can it?
Sue
... You can't be a figment of my imagination--I'd have done a better job.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Inflammatory...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:11:51
EID:1af7 203e6960
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42ac
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d3
Who got to the keyboard first today, guys?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Steve Rose <=-
AS>> noticed that the uh, more reactionary and flammatory people here
AS>> tend to have a wife or husband, or a relationship of some sort
JS> My point exactly with the more reactionary types like the Rice
JS> brothers, Ceppa, rudzinski etc.
SR> In sharp contrast to all the admitted
SR> loners...misfits...divorcees...and failed-suicidists that hail from
a
SR> number of indigenous jeezoid camps.
JS> Could you be a bit more specific? I was...
You were what? Being an English Major and all, you should really
know how to finish your train of thought in a sentence.
Sue
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Con...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:16:37
EID:11b4 203e6a00
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42ad
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d7
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
LB> Jim and Preston were killing time yakking about Marty!
LB> Marty! :
JS> Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty
JS> and instead you cut me once again ...
PS> Aw, whassamatter? Did little Jimmy get his poor little ego bruised
PS> again?
LB> "congenital"?
JS> Man...I'm glad _somebody_ caught that...:)
Why?
Sue
... Never anger a dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with Brie!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Likely story....
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:18:15
EID:08a4 203e6a40
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42ae
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d8
So, who is coming up with your excuses for you?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
JS>> Hey, let's get the spelling of my good name correct, OK? 'STAAL'!
JS>> Never 'Stall'!
RS>> Staalin.
ML>> Staal's stalled in the vast lane.
GtP> Remember when he was calling me Gweeny and stuff like that.
JS> Merely a typo, due to the problem I was having with my hands and the
JS> time...
You know, that is about as good of an excuse as "the dog ate my
homework" used for the 23rd time in a semester.
Sue
... Don't hate yourself in the morning - sleep until noon.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Export...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:22:38
EID:2b64 203e6ac0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42af
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310a82d9
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Steve Quarrella <=-
SQ> Might be of help when he goes to
SQ> India, as all he'd need to do is call his board, download a packet,
SQ> and read his mail from his laptop while he's planning the overthrow
of
SQ> the government in Tibet. :)
JS> What possible evil could Fredric be up to that would take his
JS> miserable hide to India. Don't they have enough problems over there?
I can see why you would be confused about that. He was doing
something known as working. You may want to go upstairs and consult the
dictionary if you have any trouble with that new word for the day.
Sue
... That's LADY Bitch to you...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: He has NO clue...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:27:48
EID:c971 203e6b60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b0
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb398
Which one escaped from the cage this time?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to John Prewett <=-
JB> I know just what a bigotted, hateful asshole you are.
JS> Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred
JS> Rice makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled
JS> spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical judgement out of
JS> them to be vented against God's elect.
What about your "God" sending anyone who DARES to dissent from the
standard view to eternal torment?
At least I KNOW when I am being a hateful asshole...;(
Sue
... Foxtrot Union Charley Kiloflop. Yankee Ocean Union.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Another asshole personality comes out
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:33:25
EID:4d7d 203e6c20
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b1
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb399
So, which mire did this one come out of??
-=> Quoting The Facts. to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
JB> for Staal. And has all along.
JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all along...
JB> Was this all there was, or was there more to the post? I'm taking it
JB> as confirmation that LSM is another of Jim's personalities.
TF> What do you want, a signed confession? Get over it!
Childish, Bro Jim. Very childish.
JB> In this case, a very despicable one in light of what was said
JB> to Shelby.
TF> Rather than whine on about something that is in your imagination,
TF> provide evidence for this alleged big hurt or/and _get over it_!
And why should she? You have proven to be an asshole more times
than we can count...evidence is on OUR side that you are capable of
despicable behavior.
Sue
... Don't you have a terribly empty feeling - in your skull?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jimmy's jive...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:37:58
EID:d946 203e6ca0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b2
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39a
Which disturbed personality wrote this brilliant response of yours?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
JS> KW> Because every time you go off your meds you turn into a raving
JS> KW> asshole.
JS> Hmmm...you have any evidence to support this claim? Any at all? If so,
JS> trot it out here and we'll take a look at it.
KW> Your posts over the last few weeks.
JS> Just as I thought...all talk, no action.
She gave you an answer. You should very well know what your aliases
have written in the last few weeks, and you did state recently that you
were off the medication. Better get back to the doctor...it might be
time for more meds.
Sue
... Be spontaneous.......combust.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jimmy...Jimmy...Jimmy
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:43:03
EID:9138 203e6d60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b3
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39b
Who are you claiming to be now???
-=> Quoting The Facts. to Judith Bandsma <=-
DW> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.
JB> Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.
TF> How do you know. You have him twitted, remember? Then you'd best not
TF> talk about him either.
It is impossible for the Brother(s) Saal to stay twitted...they keep
coming up with new asshole aliases to argue with.
Also, did you let Styx know that you are taking over as moderator
here? I am sure he will be THRILLED.
Sue
... I'm pondering the meaning of existence - not mine, yours!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: You watch your mouf...
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:53:58
EID:ae74 203e6ea0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b4
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39c
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
JS>> BTW, does your wife ever look over your shoulder sometimes,
JS>> like the lovely Wilbur does to me and says 'why do you waste
JS>> time with people like that'?
SQ> Why, "to combat the evil," of course!
DW> Does Jimmy-boy imagine that we're concerned with the opinion of his
DW> alleged wife (which state is it that allows humans to marry blow-up
DW> dolls, anyway)? If she exists, she can't be too damn bright - she
DW> married him.
JS> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave
JS> the lovely Wilbur out of it.
If she is so lovely, why do you call her "Wilbur"? If she has any
sense of self-worth, why does she let you?
Sue
... "COWARDS need hostages. Klingons do not." Worf
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:17:33
EID:2519 203f0a20
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b5
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39d
So, which personalities are talking here, anyways?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
JS> Perhaps, but it was Robert Duvall who said in the same movie, 'I
JS> love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells...like victory'.
L> .....Yes, it was, but marty said the above quote earlier in
L> the movie...I remember when Duvall said, when he was in his
L> cubby as Sheen was coming to kill him....
SR> HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Duvall in his cubby! Yet ANOTHER stuuuupid-fundy
SR> Lumpy Staal mistake. I think Jim is officially dis-owning him after
SR> that fuck up!! :D
JS> There, there, Lump...Jimmy loves you non-the-less. We'll ride this
JS> one out...together.
Don't forget the condoms!
Sue
... There are more horses' asses in this world than there are horses.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Tsk, tsk, tsk
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:21:29
EID:e0a3 203f0aa0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b6
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb39e
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
SQ> I expect him to call me a "scuzball," ignore my attempts at
SQ> teaching him something, and continue to reaffirm the claim.
SR> You MUST have fallen off of your chair, too, as Lumpy sunk further
SR> into his own mental prison telling us that Duvall was being stalked
by
SR> Sheen. HAHAHA! A clown could not make us laugh more than Lumpy Mark
SR> did with that one. :D
JS> Just ignore the nasty MISTER Rowze and he'll go the way of all
JS> rudzinskis...
Does that mean if we ignore all the Staal aliases that you will go
away? Nah, that would be too good to be true.
Sue
... I have a collect call from Reality. Will you accept...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:26:36
EID:f301 203f0b40
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b7
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a1
Which bible-thumper personality is this?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
JS> That you would have to sacrifice Biblical principles to do so is what
JS> would bother me, Lynda.
DW> Which Biblical principles has she sacrificed, Jim-bob?
JS> Not that it is any of your business, but it would appear that she
JS> is a bit unsure in regards to the immaculate conception and virgin
JS> birth of Christ, the resurrection, certain aspects of the after
JS> life, to name a few. You got a problem with that!?
Since when would these be principles that COULD be sacrificed?
These appear to me to be part of a belief system, not sacrificable
principles.
DW> Do you fuck for the glory of God, Jim-Bob? Do you take a shit for
DW> the glory of God? Goddamned moron.
JS> You are an extremely profane man who lacks the ability to converse
JS> in a normal, stable manner.
JS> In answer to your question, yes. God created the body and when it is
JS> used in the proper manner, it is done to His glory.
And how would you know?
Sue
... God is a comic playing to an audience afraid to laugh.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:35:58
EID:9735 203f0c60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a2
Which illogical one is this, anyway?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman <=-
JS> Hmmm...I, of course, know nothing of this 'circular reasoning' you
JS> speak of,
SS> Of course you don't. The bible is the word of god. How do I know?
SS> BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BIBLE, THAT'S HOW!
SS> That's circular reasoning, milk-crate.
JS> It makes perfect sense to me, Shelby. I'm sorry you cannot accept
JS> it.
I am sorry that you cannot accept how illogical your thinking is...;(
Sue
... Gross Ignorance: 144 times worse than ordinary ignorance.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Ride this!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:38:38
EID:c6b4 203f0cc0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b9
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a4
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW> Go ride Staal some more :)
JS> Ride this!
Brilliant response...did you have to go to school for that?
Sue
... Of all the people I've ever met, you certainly are one of them.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Nah!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:41:51
EID:d8be 203f0d20
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42ba
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a5
Which brain-fried personality is this?
-=> Quoting JIm Staal to David Worrell <=-
DW>> Bullshit, Stevie. I *refuse* to go to Hell. Does this mean that
DW>> I'm going to Heaven? Or is God going to put me in Hell
DW>> regardless of what I want?
JS> Yup.
How nice. How loving. How sickening.
DW> Answer the question, Steve: What is going to happen to me on Judgement
DW> Day when I refuse to go to Hell? Since, if what you say is true, God
DW> "sends" no one to Hell, where will I end up?
JS> In hell.
How will he get there if no one sends him?
Sue
... Those who can't handle adulthood, become born-again.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Moral code...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:46:10
EID:79ed 203f0dc0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42bb
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a6
Which Staal IS this...obviously not the "English major"...
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
DW> It just doesn't make any sense to me. Interestingly enough, among my
DW> group of friends, the Christians participate in this kind of nonsense
DW> much more often than they atheists do.
JS> Hmmm...any evidence to support this statement? I want to see the
JS> official stats and the source of same.
Catch a clue...David indicated that this trend was among his group
of friends. What kind of official stats do you expect him to have? What
kind of official stats do you have on whoever you claim to be friends
with you?
Sue
... The floggings will continue until morale improves.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:50:50
EID:72fc 203f0e40
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42bc
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a8
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Steve Quarrella <=-
SR> You MUST have fallen off of your chair, too, as Lumpy sunk further
SR> into his own mental prison telling us that Duvall was being stalked
SR> by Sheen.
SQ> "The horror...the horror..." It only took how many of us to tell him
SQ> he was wrong to finally get it into his head?
JS> Nah...he just needed to have older, wiser bro gently take him aside
JS> and instruct him in the truth...
So who did you get to talk to Lump?
Sue
... Not a shred of evidence exists that life is serious.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: English lessons
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:53:19
EID:6654 203f0ea0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42bd
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3a9
Which "expert" can I attribute this to?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Zyad Allebban <=-
JS> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet. Some
JS> day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along side the
JS> head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.) he may
JS> learn...provided the trauma is severe enough.
And how would you know the average weight of a book you do not use?
Sue
... I need to drown my troubles, but I can't get YOU to go swimming.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1:DW
|Date: 31 Jan 96 01:57:03
EID:e6b4 203f0f20
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42be
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310bb3aa
Which "Christian" is this?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Zayd Allebban <=-
ZA>> I haven't mocked your beliefs, so you
ZA>> better not mock mine.
DW> I'd "better not" mock your beliefs? What are you gonna do if I
DW> continue? Blow up my house, maybe?
JS> Jihaad, perhaps...
How very Christian of you...
Sue
... Nothing helps a dolt.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:03:34
EID:acc4 203f1060
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42bf
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c42fc
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
RJ> Best place to get sexually active women.
JS> Only if she happens to be your own wife...
JS> KW> Jimmy, I don't believe you said this! What ever did your wife do
to
JS> KW> you to deserve this?
JS>Hmmm...I must have missed something. What am I being accused of now?
KW> You said that your wife was the sexually active woman that men go to
KW> church to get.
JS> Not at all. Making reference to each individual with his own wife,
JS> at home in the privacy and purity of their own bedroom.
That is not necessarily what was said. Anyways, what is so unpure
about other locations that the bedroom can be considered pure?
KW> Or maybe you meant that you and your wife go to church
KW> to have sex?
JS> No. Thought we have thought about it in the past. I do have the
JS> keys...
Talk about pure locations...;)
... Barnum was wrong ... it's more like every 30 sec.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Swap 'em
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:07:22
EID:bb26 203f10e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c0
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c42fd
Which illiterate Staal clone is this?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
JS>T*k!
KW> Tak? Tek? Tic? Tok? Tuk? Jimmy, your 'english major' is letting you
KW> down again.
JS> No. Just giving you an opportunity to trot out the vowels. :)
I am sure that Sesame Street would be more useful in learning
vowels. Why don't you try it?
Sue
... "Awright, hold it...where's the mutant repellant?" -Bloom County
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:12:43
EID:94cc 203f1180
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c1
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c42ff
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
DC> Wgat's the matter, Jimbo? Afraid some woman knows more about your
DC> theology than you do? Or, can't you be lead by a woman, as it
DC> ruins your milk crate image?
JS> Nope. We just adhere to:
JS> (1 Tim 2:12 NIV) I do not permit a woman to teach or to have
JS> authority over a man; she must be silent.
PS> This appears to be Paul's opinion. Why is it valid?
JS> It is in the book. I am an inerrantist. The book says:
(snip)
Since when are the words of a MERE MAN to be considered without the
possibility of error or prejudice?
Sue
... Welcome to our Star System. Now Go Home.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:16:55
EID:f301 203f1200
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c2
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c4300
Which bigot came out to play today?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> That's ridiculous. I have a great many Christian friends who do not
PS> at all sacrifice Biblical principles to be my friend.
JS> I've got no problem with that. I have many non-Christian friends. It
JS> does not required that I sacrifice Biblical principles either. Your
JS> point being? I was talking abouta specific person (Lynda) in a
JS> specific place (here).
PS> In fact, they're
PS> probably better at adhering to them than you are.
JS> I'm sure that doesn't take all that much. I am far from perfect.
Yeah, we noticed. Have you talked to the doctor yet?
PS> I tend to react badly to people who tell me that I'm going to
PS> suffer because I don't worship their god,
JS> I don't recall saying that.
You have recently said that God will send anyone to hell that does
not believe. I'd say that IS a threat of suffering.
PS> that wives should be subservient to their husbands,
JS> It's _very_ biblical:
JS> (1 Pet 3:6 NIV) like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her
JS> master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give
JS> way to fear.
So what happens if the husband is WRONG?
Sue
... "Live long and suffer." Klingon Greeting
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Where's Al..
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:22:42
EID:bc97 203f12c0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c3
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c4301
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> In my case, the fact that God hadn't bothered to answer or even
PS> seemingly pay attention to my prayers was about half of the reason that
PS> I left Christianity.
JS> You didn't perservere...
How fucking long does it take?????
Sue
... I respectfully submit that you are replete with feces.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Pink?
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:24:50
EID:a37c 203f1300
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c4
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c4302
Who came out of the duplicator this time?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
JS> DEFINE THEY!
PS> They: 1a: those ones--used as 3d person pronoun serving as the
PS> plural of he, she, or it or referring to a group of two or more
PS> individuals not all of the same sex <~dance well> b: used with an
PS> indefinite singular anticedent.
PS> You happy?
JS> Hmmm...kinda vague, don'tcha think?
Kind of like your english skills?
Sue
... Some minds are cultivated, others are just plowed under.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:27:39
EID:97f9 203f1360
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MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c5
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Which ignorant bible-thumper am I talking to?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
JS> (Lev 11:13 NIV) "'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat
JS> (Deu 14:18 NIV) the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
JS> Ok, so what's the problem? Where does it say in the BIble that bats
JS> aren't birds? Perhaps they are winged rodents?
PS> It says in the verses quoted above that bats are birds.
JS> I realize that. Where does it say they aren't was my question.
Any scientific source material on bats will tell you that bats are
not birds, they are mammals. Oh, I forgot. You are an ENGLISH major.
Try blowing the dust off of your dictionary and looking it up in there.
Sue
... Is that simple enough, or will you require Barney to sing it to you?
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: You should meet my brothers...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:33:01
EID:5d38 203f1420
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42c6
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> Actually, in some fields, Russian technology supercedes our own.
JS> right...and they invented the telephon...and...the Edsel.
How long did it take you to come up with this brilliant response? I
am in awe...of your ignorance.
Sue
... Gross Ignorance: 144 times worse than ordinary ignorance.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Here's your reference, courtesy of Hector.
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:36:38
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Whch Staal is this, anyway?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
HP> "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice"
HP> Hmmm -- a fall followed by an auditory hallucination, eh? Sure sounds
HP> like head trauma, doesn't it?
JS> Merely a figure of speech, referencing his bowing low to the ground
in
JS> the presence of God (as in typical Middle East fashion)
PS> Why is this a figure of speech, Jim, and not literal truth?
JS> Aside from the obvious (what I responded), there was no alleged
JS> 'trauma' as he responds immediately and lucidly:
JS> (Acts 9:4 NIV) He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him,
JS> "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"
JS> (Acts 9:5 NIV) "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom
JS> you are persecuting," he replied.
Hmm...no mention here of how fast Saul answered, it just said that
he did. It also does not stipulate anything more than that Saul was not
so out of it that he could understand the words spoken to him (though
after how long, it does not say).
To quote Preston...why is this a figure of speech, Jim, and not
literal truth?
Sue
... Schizophrenia n.; natures answer to loneliness
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:41:48
EID:9231 203f1520
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
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Which twit Staal persona is this?
-=> Quoting The Facts. to Judith Bandsma <=-
JS> I did answer (as I would not avoid a direct question) by way of an
JS> extensive private netmail on the day I received the question.
JB> If this is not an admission of the evil intent of this person toward
JB> someone who was grieving and in pain, I don't know what is.
TF> Where is the intent demonstrated, you silly female twit?
Taking those lessons on christian behavior again?
JB> Al, everyone on this echo deserves to know the truth. If Jim won't
JB> supply it, will you? (And with the track record Staal has, I truly
JB> don't expect him to do more than blow another gasket at even the idea
JB> of telling the truth for a change.)
TF> Tell 'em, Al. Tell 'em the entire 'dirty' truth. I got nothing ot
TF> hide.
So why do you use aliases to do your dirty work?
Sue
... We could never replace you - we don't know what you ARE!
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:49:40
EID:f963 203f1620
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> But I must add that she's right in criticizng Jim Staal for
MH> questioning her Christianity. While they do have significant
MH> theological differences -- and I fall right about in the middle of
MH> them -- he had no business making a judgment that is really God's
MH> alone to make.
JS> Why do you say that, Michael? Any 'judgement' I may have stated was
JS> one that God already made in His Word. Nothing to do with me
JS> personally. It was merely right out of the Bible. Either God has taught
JS> eternal punishment in the Bible or He has not. It is not grey. Either
JS> Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit or He was not. There is no grey
JS> area on this. Either Christ rose from the grave and lives and reigns
JS> forever or He did not! There _is_ no grey area on this! No 'personal'
JS> judgement or opinion.
Are you saying that there is no room for interpretation AT ALL in
the bible? If there is ANY room for interpretation, Michael is IMO
correct that the only individual that can make that kind of judgement is
God.
Sue
... Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 31 Jan 96 02:54:22
EID:583e 203f16c0
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Which silly Staal alias is this?
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Marilyn Burge <=-
MB> So,
MB> what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
MB> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
JS> Because it's that gnome rudzinski's monitor, you...you...silly
JS> woman!
So, Jimmy, since you know whose monitor those pills are on, why
don't you tell george the chemical formula for them?
Sue
... "Captain, engines here. Scotty can't take much more of this!"
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:36:16
EID:5b5f 203f2480
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310fff05
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
LYNDA and AL were killing time yakking about CHRISTMAS:
DW> So, when do we make Lynda an honorary "empty" heathen? She's been
DW> doing a lot of sucking up lately, and should be rewarded. Maybe one
DW> of the more artistic heathens (Sue?) could draw up some kind of
DW> certificate? :)
LB> Oh, thanks for the help, David! Excuse me, but I need to pry out the
LB> knife that seems to be stuck between my ribs. ;)
AS> And the certificate he's going to draw up is going to be "Quisling of
AS> the year"...
Twist it, Al! What's insulting about all this is not the accusation that
I
am not being nice to some of the Christians here -- that's a given, and
I
freely admit it. It's the suggestion that I am some sort of puppet for
the
non-believers -- dammit, every word I've said came out of me without any
coaching and I want credit or condemnation for it myself! (G)
AS> Don't feel bad. I know Someone Else who questioned and even
AS> insulted religious hypocrites, calling them like bright and shiny
AS> tombs on the outside, but full of rotting bodies and worms within.
AS> And Who ate and talked with all manners of sinners.
I am deeply embarassed and humbled by the comparison, but I do thank you
for
saying so. Would this be the same one that was accused of blasphemy?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Art thou an artist, or art thou art?
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 31 Jan 96 03:40:35
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Lynda and Judith were killing time yakking about DEFINITIONS FOR JIM:
LB> these things. My respect goes up for him for (belatedly) being honest
LB> about it, but it does make me wary about the *next* time. I don't
JB> Here's where we disagree. If he could perpetrate this outrage in
JB> public, why the need to take the explanation...and the true
JB> confession...private?
Oh, I agree -- he SHOULD do so, and I would like to see him be honorable
enough to do so. But you can't drag honor out of someone -- it's freely
given, or it isn't honor. I guess I'd like to give him the opportunity
to
do so voluntarily before the truth is yanked out of him involuntarily.
And
I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of pressuring Al to divulge a private
message.
Certainly, Jim's actions (including the belated honesty) is far less than
pure,
but they are a move in the right direction. If he gets NO credit for those
baby steps, there is really no incentive for him to make a full confession.
And that would not only not be good for him, but it will mean we have all
lost
an opportunity to have a better Staal here -- let's face it, at this point
he
has no where to go but up.
As for why he chose to go private -- my guess is that Al has maintained
a very
polite relationship with Jim, and has recently been expressing his OWN
disapproval of Jim's actions. In spite of himself, Jim wants people to
think
well of him, and I think he has enough of a conscious not to be able to
con
Al -- he can justify it with the rest of us, since we are so "mean", but
he couldn't justify lying to Al. At the same time, he knew, rightly I'm
sure,
that once it was made public, he would get a hailstorm of protest. He's
like
a little kid who CAN'T get it into his thick head that no matter how bad
a mistake you make, it's only compounded when deception is used to cover
it
up. So instead he tries to convince himself that we don't deserve his honesty
so he doesn't have to feel overly guilty about being dishonest.
Unfortunately, for Jim, there is no qualifier in Christian ethics about
being
honest -- one either is, or they aren't. We don't get to pick and choose
the
circumstances regarding when it is okay. He's got a lot of making up to
do,
and if he sincerely decides to do so, I'll not slam him for the effort (even
though I am VERY wary about whether my goodwill will once again be dumped
on).
On the other hand, if he makes no move in a reasonable time to own up to
this
legitimately, and start playing square with everyone, I don't plan to let
him
forget it. It may sound strange to you, but I think his future is worth
being
a bit cruel, if that is what it takes to get him to finally give up this
life
of blindness and denial regarding his own actions. I don't think Jim is
beyond
hope, and it would be irresponsible of me to allow him to pretend everything
is fine and dandy because he's Christian.
JB> And I've seen some other posts where he is STILL
JB> trying to act like him and Lon are two separate people. Check out one
JB> of the posts from 'The Facts' to me. More crap.
Yeah, about the last thing he needed to try at this point was yet another
alias.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Nobody said computers were going to be polite.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 31 Jan 96 03:59:25
EID:eec0 203f1f60
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Karl and Jim were killing time yakking about Fundamentalists R Us:
JS>Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
JS> b. miracles
KS> Of which (a) is stupid and (b) nonexistent.
JS> I give you this: without (a), (b) _is_ nonexistant
You think? Would you say Saul's encounter with Jesus and being struck blind
was a miracle? He didn't have any faith UNTIL it happened -- it wasn't
as
a result of faith.
What about the John the Baptist's father being struck dumb until John's
birth?
Was that a miracle? Wasn't it the punishment for LACKING faith?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... There is no joy in Mudville, mighty Casey has struck out.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:04:05
EID:24a9 203f2080
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AL and Anthony were killing time yakking about HEY, I'M NEW:
AG>> It demonstrates that you are definately not a Christian and
AG>> definately a fool.
AS> He appears to be not the only one. Matt. 5:22,"Anyone who says, 'you
AS> fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." Jesus' own words.
AG> No, you have identified yourself as one, because Matthew 5:22 says no
AG> such thing. It speaks of one who says as much to `his brother'. Had
AG> you read what I wrote instead of seeking to exercise your pride you
AG> would have noted I stated that this fellow in question is `definately
AG> not a Christian (i.e. he is not my Brother).
Yeah, Al!! Didn't you know, Grigor-Scott is an only child!
AS> ... He who throws mud loses ground.
AG> And you have, haven't you. So long as you rebuke your elders you are
Ooooh, now he's your "elder"
AG> rejecting the Holy Spirit. And whilst you might think you have been
hmmmm -- AND the Holy Spirit!
AG> smart in outwitting God this way you will `lose ground' every time.
ook! Now he's GOD! Boy, what a fast promotion this guy has given himself!
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Poor little evil fellow who asked for it!" - Dot
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:13:29
EID:b2dd 203f21a0
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JUDITH and AL were killing time yakking about JESUS SAID "EAT ME!":
JB> This is getting quite fascinating, Lynda. Do you have ANY idea why the
JB> more raving, loony, fundy types ALWAYS end up identifying you as male?
AS> This has happened before? I didn't realize that. (I remember John
AS> Prewitt calling males "bitch", though.)
I think there were a couple of other fly-bys that did it -- no one that's
been
around any length of time though.
AS> In Lynda's case, could it be because she doesn't sound submissive,
AS> so they don't identify her (unless they think about the name) as
AS> female?
I suspect it must have something to do with my manner of speaking, although
it may also be that they see the odd last name and assume that Lynda is
a
foreign version of Lyndon. (Wild guess on my part)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... A nudist wedding makes the best man easy to identify.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:39:27
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LYNDA and AL were killing time yakking about JESUS SAID "EAT ME!":
AM> Your just a sick man.
DW> You're a *man*?!? :)
LB> It came as quite a surprise to me, as well!
AS> You think YOU'RE suprised? Think how your significant other and your
AS> kids feel...
Yeah, we were sitting around talking about how rich we'd be if we'd only
known earlier -- just think how much the tabloids would pay for a story
of
a man who successfully gave birth FOUR TIMES!!
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Fatigue IS NOT an indicator of success"
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:17:22
EID:f3b0 203f2220
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REPLY: 1:121/45.0 310dbf31
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Lynda and Sue were killing time yakking about Jesus said "EAT ME!":
AM> Your just a sick man.
DW> You're a *man*?!? :)
LB> It came as quite a surprise to me, as well!
SA> And what did your husband say when he found out?
"YOU mow the lawn from now on!" ;)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "'Exciting' is hardly the word I would use." - C-3PO
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: MARIA RUSSEL IN THE NEW_W
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:20:09
EID:e00b 203f2280
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 310fff0c
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J.J. and AL were killing time yakking about MARIA RUSSEL IN THE NEW_W:
JH> It's always amazed me how a simple geometric form can be so
JH> solidly identified with a single group. And it's not limited
JH> to the Jews, the pentagram (in any orientation) is just as
JH> solidly associated with the occult-weenies.
AS> The swastika is an ancient and revered symbol, like the ankh, in
AS> Celtic and Germanic countries. But Hitler has turned it into a symbol
AS> for hate and oppression, and it will probably stay that way for the
AS> next century or two, at least.
I seem to recall that the swastika's arms point in the opposite direction
from
the Celtic cross -- but then the average person, myself included, probably
wouldn't notice the difference without double checking which was which.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Geometry: what the acorn said after it grew up.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 31 Jan 96 04:24:31
EID:cb35 203f2300
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REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310d79b3
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Rob and Steve were killing time yakking about more Dan A. Post:
RB> Anything in Revelation about airplanes? Or computers? Or
RB> telephones? But it got this 'mark in the hand' thing right,
RB> huh? Profound man, profound.
SW>
SW> There are tons of signs written in the Bible that point to the return
SW> of Christ to this world. (Time is short...)
SW> 1. Horseless carriages (cars) =Nahum 2:3,4 "The shields of his
SW> soldiers are red; the warriors are clad in scarlet. The metal on the
SW> chariots flashes on the day they are made ready; the spears of pine
are
SW> brandished. The chariots storm through the streets, rushing back and
SW> forth through the squares. They look like flaming torches; they dart
SW> about like lightning."
Ever seen Ben Hur? Could "chariots" be referring to....chariots?!
SW> 2. Airplanes = (Isaiah 31:5) "Like birds hovering overhead, the Lord
SW> Almighty will shield Jerusalem; He will shield it and deliver it. He
SW> will 'pass over' it and will rescue it."
The Lord Almighty is an airplane?
SW> 3. The dessert blossoming as a rose (Isaiah 35:1) "The desert and the
SW> parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom..."
Happens everytime it rains in the desert, Steve. Ever been in Arizona after
a flash flood? You can find postcards depicting the above.
SW> 8. Wars and rumers of wars (mark 13:7)
Oh yeah, that's something new under the sun, isn't it?
SW> 9. famines, earthquakes in divers places, pestalences (Luke 21:11)
Point to a time in history when there haven't been these, please?
SW> 10. Iniquity abounding (Matthew 24:12)
Or this.
SW> 12. Signs in the sun, moon and stars (luke 17:26-30, 21:25-27)
Astrology has been around since ancient times. For those that believe in
it,
there have always been signs. For those that don't, why would they believe
there are now?
SW> 14. The invention of the atom bomb (2 Peter 3:10)
That passage discusses the second coming of Christ -- did he come back as
an
atom bomb?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Pi r squared"? Nooo! Pi r round, cornbread r square!
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|From: Dan A. Post
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Re: Christmas
|Date: 30 Jan 96 04:33:28
EID:2c37 203e2420
MSGID: 1:245/100 0f8679bb
TID: GE 1.11+
-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to Dan A. Post <=-
GTP> Heilsa, Dan!
GTP> While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh
GTP> heard Katherine say to Dan:
DAP>> Jesse, unfortunately, I must disagree. Indeed there are a great number
DAP>> of organizations involving such beliefs as Wicca, and those sorts
of
DAP>> 'new age' earth religions. One of the things that makes them so
DAP>> dangerous is the fact that they are very sublime and are not as much
in
DAP>> the open as perhaps Christians should make them. The other thing
that
DAP>> makes them dangerous is the fact that many of them pretend to be
DAP>> Christian when indeed they are a cross breed between paganism and
DAP>> Christianity (ie all the talk of angels as of late can be dangerous).
GTP> WHAT DIMENSION ARE YOU IN??? Wiccans NEVER claim to be xtians. Most
GTP> of them loathe the xtian god. As for angels, you have the WRONG
GTP> religion. Wiccans have god/desses and spirit guides, but few mess
with
GTP> angels. ACKKKK! Then there's us Asatru....the closest thing we have
GTP> to angels are the Valkyries. Angels are wimps. Brass-brad women with
GTP> huge swords RULE!!
GTP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Uh huh, I know a Wiccan personally, and he is the perfect example of what
you say here, however, I have several books that are readily available from
any local bookstore which are pantheistic in nature, but cross over into
Christianity. I understand that most Wiccans feel the way you do, it is
more the closer druidic types that take part in what I described, however,
I have read some texts which are of Wiccan nature that follow this line
of (lack of)thinking that I am talking about.
BTW, I feel for you, and hope that you one day discover the truth.
... Eph. 1:2
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 31 Jan 96 11:31:31
EID:bc6d 203f5be0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61684a22
On Jan 29 17:09 96, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/911 wrote:
JH>> No, I have no fucking idea whatsoever as to why anyone
JH>> would call a submarine that. What does it have to go with
JH>> Aristotle?
JB> If you'd ever seen the full size replica of it, you'd
JB> understand. As for Aristotle...how'd he get in here?
It was refered to as a PERIPATETIC coffin.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Why
|Date: 31 Jan 96 11:42:53
EID:7a63 203f5d40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616887b3
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 88a8c177
KW> The way that Bear explained it, he could admit that certain
KW> actions happened (he also showed me his little blue book,
KW> the one with all the drawings symbolizing the events) but he
Ah.. the cypher books. Yeah, many Grand Lodges prohibit publishing
the ritual in any format, so they resort to those books which
normally use a simple first-letter only cypher as an aide to
memory. I think Texas uses cypher books, but I have a Prince
Hall (segregated Jim Crow lodge for blacks) GL of Texas ritual
book that has the exact same rite in plain text.
The first time I saw a cypher book I thought it was something
for Martians, not Masons.
KW> So, while he could admit that he had been bound and partially
KW> stripped, he could not discuss the significance of couldn't
KW> explain the whys or tell me what was supposed to be these
KW> events.
I suspect the "real reason" why candidates go through the initiation
bare chested is to make sure that no women attempt to join by
disguising their gender. At the same time, there has been a small
number of women who WERE successful in doing just that.
KW> No. Or those silly feathered hats that the Knights Templar
KW> wear.
Ah.... those always remind me of the outfit Groucho Marx wore
in Duck Soup.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Satanista, no! Pindeho, s
|Date: 31 Jan 96 11:59:34
EID:b507 203f5f60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61688a31
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 2e09999b
JH>> "Do Wah Diddy shall be the hole in the law."
KW> Were you aware that Graves considered all making of music
KW> and all writing of poetry as acts reverencing the Lady? It
KW> just wouldn't be circle without music. :)
I don't even think I know who Graves is.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: When jfk walks among
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:09:28
EID:ba06 203f6120
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6168a1fa
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310e12e8
SA> To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul -
Actually, those are nothing but little reflections of your face.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:11:34
EID:91fd 203f6160
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6168a748
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310d2708
SA>> say, and not as I do". I also fail to see where "S&M and
SA>> B&D" (whatever the hell B&D is - I don't think I WANT to
SA>> know) and "3
MH> The latter's acronym represents 'Bondage & Discipline.'
It's DOMINATION damnit, not 'Discipline'. (whapwhapwhap!)
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:20:50
EID:1689 203f6280
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6168bd76
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e7c
MB>> what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
MB>> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
RJ> Uh, george is the one with the pills...
The only thing on my monitor is a hairbrush.
Was... it was so shocked, it jumped off.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:25:12
EID:4d1b 203f6320
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6168ccb0
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e91
RJ> Credit card, no! Playing card, si! In a game of Indian
RJ> poker, you have four cards in your hand and you stick the
RJ> last card on your forehaed so everyone else sees it but you.
RJ> Then you have to play your hand based only on what you see
RJ> everyone else has showing, and your four.
One of the stupidest card games on earth. Only played after a
long drunken afternoon of dealers choice.
The only real challenge is in trying to spot the first person who
tries to cheat by looking at their reflection in their drink.
Or you could try looking at your "soul" in Sue Armstrong's wolf.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:29:02
EID:4d1b 203f63a0
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e91
RJ> I think Prewett and Wallis, et al, are mistaken. Revelation
RJ> will be fulfilled when the Indian poker fad becomes popularized
RJ> world-wide.
Only if you are playing with Famous Antichrists Trading Cards.
(Hmmmm... If I'm holding Henry Kissinger against my forehead,
I've got a flush.)
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Edney
|Sub: ?
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:18:36
EID:13e3 203f8a40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616b74a6
JE> what is this echo about?
Noodles.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:21:58
EID:87ec 203f8aa0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616b87f6
REPLY: 1:330/204@fidonet.org 2c888baf
SM> HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER. I
SM> DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE
SM> APPRECIATED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
This may not be the best conference to learn about modeming.
(There are a number of reasons why I say this and I won't go
into them, but trust me... I know of what I speak.)
Oh... and learn to use mixed case. TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS
THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING.... don't do it unless you
intend on getting on people's nerves in very short order.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:38:38
EID:05da 203f8cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616bafaa
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31092567
GtP>> get away from the rat race for a day or so during her
GtP>> period. My daughters and my cycles are starting to match,
GtP>> so the day might come
RJ> I've heard women who live in close quarters will tend to do
RJ> that. Sorta shoots down the supposed benefits of a harem,
RJ> doesn't it?
Not if the objective of a "harem" is survival and reproduction.
Having all the females come into season and bear young at the same
time has genuine benefits for herd animals. Having all that mating
and birthing going on all year long would interfere with migration
and make the herd more vulnerable to predators.
That's the complex short answer.
The simple short answer is it's a curse from God.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: forgiveness available
|Date: 31 Jan 96 17:53:40
EID:3789 203f8ea0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616bc809
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310e12ed
>> Why do you want to bring race into it? I said he was very
>> outspoken about his homosexuality. Want an example? He came
>> into work one day saying he had "sausage" & "eggs" for breakfast
>> too.
SA> Hunh? So only gays eat sausage and eggs for breakfast?
SA> What colour is the sky in your little world, anyway?
God forbid that anyone mention they had grits for breakfast.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Offensive ASCIIs
|Date: 31 Jan 96 23:37:37
EID:c713 203fbca0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616ef138
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Cute... but it looks more like a Darwin SAUSAGE than a Darwin Fish.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Brian Kolacy
|Sub: Assorted items of interes
|Date: 31 Jan 96 23:43:04
EID:1f46 203fbd60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616f02fb
REPLY: 1:272/99 001660eb
>Toklas (to´kles), Alice B.
> 1877-1967
> American writer remembered as the secretary and
> longtime companion of Gertrude Stein. Her works include
> cookbooks and a volume of memoirs.
me> Yup. The lesbian pothead version of Fannie Farmer.
BK> Funny that the definition didn't mention that she was a
BK> lesbian, or a pothead!:)
I noticed they wimped out and didn't expand on "longtime
companion of Gertrude Stein". The reader is left to guess
at what they really mean.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:27:04
EID:07f3 20410b60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 616ff08f
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310e12e9
SA>> I also fail to see where "S&M and B&D" (whatever the hell B&D
SA>> is - I don't think I WANT to know) [...]
MH>> The latter's acronym represents 'Bondage & Discipline.' I
MH>> despise the material, but I'm hep on the acronyms. [You
MH>> can't dislike something without knowing what it is.]
SA> Why do you keep telling me things I say I don't want to
SA> know? Is it a hobby or something? :)
Public service.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Triangle, AFA Share Fame
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:33:32
EID:80fe 20410c20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61700107
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e0a10e0
>> As for the Triangle, it couldn't hire a better publicist ...
FR> I would like to subscribe to the publication. How can I
FR> contact them?
Areacode 512 information.
When they ask you "What city please?" say "Aww-Stin".
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: buttpimple satanist on dope
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:39:40
EID:d581 20410ce0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61700d5f
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e0a10d7
FR> I wonder if this clown is _really_ what a Satanist is supposed
FR> to be all about. The self-professed "Satanists" on Geraldo were
FR> much better educated and intelligent than this clown.
Munchkin voice: Are you a Good Satanist or a Bad Satanist?
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:43:24
EID:5e81 20410d60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61701f69
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 310492b0
SW> Dear Jesus Christ, I dont want to go to hell. I want to go
SW> to heaven at the end of my days.
Dear Jesus Christ,
FUCK THAT SHIT! I want to go to Heaven RIGHT NOW!
I want to get my picture taken with God while we swing on the
Pearly Gates. I want to drop water balloons on all my friends.
I want to smite a few unimportant cities in Ohio. I want the
T-shirt!
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: I feel REAL GOOD!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:58:42
EID:0c34 20410f40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6170395c
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWENTY ONE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
Nothing has happened.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day NINE of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing has happened.
You have only FOURTEEN days left in order to destroy me
with your "magick" in order to fulfill the conditions of
Curse Number Three.
I feel GOOD.
I feel real GOOD.
I feel GREAT!
Try harder, punk.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Jesus Christ
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Jesus's Birthday
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:39:26
EID:396c 204114e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617098da
REPLY: 1:280/9 0f97ba31
JC>> YOU go look for innocent souls, I'm busy trying to locate
JC>> a plumber. (First guy we called turned out to be a cash
JC>> register repairman. We sent him back.)
RB> Was his name Clit...I mean Clint?
I'm sorry, but I'm only here to talk to the other Jesuses.
INRI spelled backwards is IRNI
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:55:15
EID:5e3c 204116e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6170cbc3
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310ecc42
GtP>>> ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping folk of
GtP>>> the Middle East were living in cities with paved streets, knew
GtP>>> how to work metal and had writing when the progenitors of
GtP>>> patriarchal monotheism were still nomads. Not only that, but
GtP>>> they were enlightened enough that women ruled and sex was not
GtP>>> evil. SO THERE!!
JH>> You have a source for this claim?
DW> Sure. Unfortunately, the source was drowned with Atlantis
DW> (they were also matriachal Earth-worshippers, and they had
DW> *spaceships*).
Seeing how they had paving, metal working and WRITING they should
have left shitloads of artifacts behind. As well as writen records.
There shouldn't be any need to "single source" this claim.
JH>> Let me guess... The Wymyns Encyclopedia of Revisionist
JH>> History.
DW> oh...er...ummm... that too.
Most likely it's simply a gross misrepresentation of Sumer or
one of the other Mesopotamian cultures. They had plenty of
godesses, but there aint no way in hell any of them could
be called "matriarchal".
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 01 Feb 96 03:03:02
EID:01a3 20411860
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6170d4bd
REPLY: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 310f26fa
JJH>> Let me guess... The Wymyns Encyclopedia of Revisionist
JJH>> History.
GT> Hoo-hah!!
Hoo-hah? I ask for evidence and all I get in reply is Hoo-hah?
Even Prewett can do better than that.
GT> And look who's talking about revisionist history here -- after
GT> all, the xtians are the original experts on it.
The last person who called me an xian is still busting his guts
trying to put a curse on me.
Now, about that evidence... got any?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 01 Feb 96 03:15:44
EID:ecdc 204119e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6170fc31
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD2C3BC4
JP> So if you owned a business, you should be compelled to hire
JP> an other-wise qualified Bible thumper, as long as the Bible
JP> thumper does not "use his working time to promote his brand
JP> of thought" ?
You've got it just as backwards as Hardy has it. (Which one of
you is sucking up to the other? If you're sucking up, is he
sucking down?)
NO ONE is compelling the employer to do anything. It is the
employer who is demanding that applicants comply with conditions
and restrictions that have nothing to do with the job.
You're trying to make the purpetrator look like a victim,
but it simply doesn't wash.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 04:54:45
EID:b6fe 204126c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6171ed0f
LB>> Which holiday would you like us to take over in your name?
JB> We're going to have to come up with one...in August. August
JB> has NO major holidays. I figure we can have a lot of fun
JB> figuring out some traditions for 'Hitt' day.
We're going to need a good excuse for putting it in August.
The day my demise is planed for is already taken and it's in
the middle of February. I wasn't born in August and I don't
want to wait until August to resurrect myself. (I'm much too
busy to stay dead for that long. I'll probably resurrect on the
fourth day, just so I can break an old standing record.)
Of course, August has the "dog days", so maybe we could work
Sirius into it... either that or baseball.
But I like the idea of August. February sucks. It's cold, it
has a weird number of days and a silent 'r'.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:06:41
EID:70d7 204128c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6171f49c
REPLY: 1:121/45.0 310f42a4
SA> We would also have no evidence that your particular church
SA> is merciful enough to let you stay if you do not pay
SA> them...
Sheeesh!
Do you realize you just posted something like 50 messages in
a row to Staal? That's got to be the electronic equivalent of
spending a couple of hours with him.
Don't you feel ... "unclean" ?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:17:18
EID:8dd5 203eaa20
MSGID: 1:250/820 310e8b14
REPLY: 1:152/20.666 10a74312
Steve Wallis wrote:
SW>> God doesnt want anyone to go to hell...
Do you still have that thug with a gun and a jelly donught, Hector? ;-)
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615
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|From: Coridon Henshaw
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 31 Jan 96 00:03:08
EID:2ac1 203f0060
MSGID: 1:250/820 310eb1e7
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 31093918
Friday January 26 1996 20:25, David Worrell wrote to Marty Leipzig:
ML>> Although I am loathe to admit, I do have an active AOL
ML>> account
AFAIK, Assholes On Line doesn't have IRC access, thank gawd.
ML>> (for business reasons).
That's what they all say.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:18:01
EID:7f3e 20417240
MSGID: 1:123/67 3110cd78
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
30 Jan 96 20:39, quoting AL SCHROEDER to SHELBY SHERMAN:
AS> Even Jim's comment to you (or Lou's, whatever) I think was meant
to
AS> be AFTER your father-in-law's death, in the afterlife that Jim
AS> believes in. (I do too.) I am not defending it, since it obviously
AS> offended you. But I THINK that is what he MEANT, no matter what he
AS> said.
I think that it was clear that he meant to offend. Staal's track record
gives us reason to think that he meant to be offensive. If you, on the
other hand, had entered the message, I might question your intent, but
would accept a reasonalbe explanation. The essence of Brother Jimmy's
reply, was "he's dead now, so what if he died an uncomfortable death"
AS> BTW, some Christians may die in MORE fear than most
AS> agnostics/atheists. Remember, an atheist thinks it will just end.
AS> Period. Like a light switch. But a Christian thinks he is about to
AS> meet the judge of all, the Creator, and then be judged in a way that
AS> will determine how he will spend the rest of eternity.
Read what you just wrote. Doesn't this tell you something about the
christian religion. Doesn't it give you pause to think that something is
not quite right here? After death, there is oblivion. There is evidence
of NOTHING ELSE.
AS> Some people,
AS> even some in my own church, are convinced if you are saved, you
AS> cannot
AS> go to hell. It sounds good in theory. In my particular case, I can
AS> never make myself believe that. I know too well what I have done wrong
AS> in my life, and just to assume blithely that I'll get to Heaven no
AS> matter what seems to me to be hubris or something.
Doesn't it seem peculiar that a god would give humans a brain to analzye
and logically deduce that this god does not exist?
AS> But think of it...who perhaps needs the most courage? The one who
AS> thinks his existence is about to end...or the one who thinks his
AS> existence is coming to a great cross roads, and he will either be in
AS> pleasure eternally...or in pain eternally?
I think that it takes more courage to question the existence of the christian
god and to NOT go along with the sheep that flock to the churches and
synagouges? How many politicians profess to be atheists? Damn few because
of the political ramifications.
AS> Anyway, back to your question. I don't think there is any
AS> significant
AS> difference in the way theists and nontheists face death
Of course not, people just die. Everyone dies and there is not a lick
of evidence that supports an afterlife or people returning from the
grave.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:26:21
EID:9698 20417340
MSGID: 1:123/67 3110ce77
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89150E41
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
30 Jan 96 22:38, quoting Dan Ceppa to Shelby Sherman:
DC> Depends... The SOB had the balls to tell me that my Dad was
DC> rotting in hell. Thing is, he never knew my Dad, nor my Dad's
DC> views on religion.
Figures. This is one of the things that makes christianity so defective
and repulsive. The Xtians can't even agree among themselves as to who
goes to heaven and what is really required. They have a big problem with
people like Preston Simpson and myself, who were once christians and now
have now escaped the shackles of this religion.
The typical christian reply is, "Oh, but then you wern't a real christian
anyway". Bullshit. I sincerely believed, was baptized and was a faithful
church member.
DC> Well, it sounds like you had a great friend. That's what counts.
DC> You don't get to have many close friends. Treasure that particular
DC> one that you had. They are few and far between.
He was a great guy, a great in law and will be missed.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:34:01
EID:e497 20417440
MSGID: 1:123/67 3110d085
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89150E15
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
30 Jan 96 21:35, quoting Jose Gomez to Shelby Sherman:
JG> My friend, I have read your post on the subject of scientific proof
JG> concerning the bible. I urge you to search for the facts and continue
JG> to observe the world around you. Research as I have in the worlds
JG> finest libraries, and you will find only one conclusion.
What? What conclusions do the world's finest libraries come to? That
there is a creator?
Science is defined as the observation, identification, description,
experimental investigation and theoretical explanation of natural
phenomena.
Science observes, then explains.
I don't know what library you go to, but I don't think that any legitimate
scientists explains our existence via a creator. You see, there is no
evidence of a creator just like there is no evidence of magical Pixie Dust.
Science discounts UNOBSERVED creators just like it discounts UNOBSERVED
Pixie Dust.
Understand?
JG> I do not wish to try to convince you of anything else except to keep
JG> your heart open to the voice of God.
Voice of god? Are you hearing voices in your head?
JG> I don't have to shove Him down
JG> your throat. He will reveal things slowly to you. You are on the
JG> right
JG> path...the search for truth. Continue onward.
You don't have to shove anything, a little bit of evidence will do. Do
you
have any?
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Samhain old shit/4
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:00:40
EID:15e6 203e9000
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e8f
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org e5da14ea
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Katherine Wintersnight wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling
about
Samhain old shit/4
RJ> KW> Croning has to do with menopause, again a subject that most men
do not
RJ> KW> have to deal with. Queening is the fully public rite for that time
of
RJ> KW> a woman's life.
My understanding Queening is that it acknowledges a woman's middle age,
prior to her becoming a Crone.
... Religious error: (A)tone, (R)epent, (I)mmolate?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Why
|Date: 30 Jan 96 18:43:28
EID:158f 203e9560
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e90
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 891111F1
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Dan Ceppa wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about Why
SW> Yes. Im a born again, blood bought, Spirit filled, Sanctified
SW> Christian! Praise God Almighty brother!
DC> So, you claim to be christian? With all that blood and gore
DC> you wallow in, seems like it's not something that anyone but
DC> a Statanist would revel in.
Statnaist? Hmmmm!!! Is that a Satan who's into statistics?
Anyhow, I think it sounds rather messy to me.
DC> ... +Origin: The Holy Heifer Network! King of the moos!
Love this! Consider it "adopted"!.
... When in doubt---FIREBALL!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:35:57
EID:6464 203e9c60
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e91
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61257d91
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
J.J. Hitt wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about WHITE-LIGHTER
RELIGIO
LB> Actually, to back up Gwenny, I've known of a few middle-aged
LB> Wiccans who "came out" as it were, after the kids were grown --
LB> they didn't want to cause any problems for them growing up, so
LB> they kept it quiet until such a time as the only one who would
LB> be targeted for persecution would be themselves.
JH> What I originally said was that if it wasn't for their appeal to
JH> teenagers, Wicca, Satanism and another sillyass religion which I
JH> forget, would all dry up overnight.
J.J. why would these religions dry up and blow away?
JH> So you've "known of a few" old farts who were also in it...
JH> Fine. How large a percentage did they represent?
Of the people I know in Wicca/Paganism, roughly 90% +/- of them are
very serious about their "religious" choice. And most of these (over
50%) are over 30. 10% are over 50 and the other 30% are over 40.
... HolySmoke: Where fundys take themselves seriously, & no one else does.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Zach Doyle
|Sub: Re: What the hell
|Date: 30 Jan 96 19:59:44
EID:72e1 203e9f60
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e92
REPLY: 1:153/455.0 310b2384
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Zach Doyle wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about What the
hell
CH> "Sounds like he was the smart one. Wha'd you follow that act with?
I
CH> don't know. I wasn't there. There ain't a story that donesn't hve two
CH> sides to it. Either way, the fact that he is her ex, makes him the
CH> smart one..." - Jim Staal
ZD> What the fuck give you the right to tell people that violence is an
ZD> intellegent matter?? What do you mean beating Gwenny was smart!! You
Staal is an idiot, Zach, what more can be said for him!
I feel sorry for any woman/women who have to associate with him. He
probably treats them like trash.
ZD> are a hypocritical, dishonerable fuck!
ZD> Ever read your fairy tale book?? You know the part about rules!!,
ZD> Damn you Jim Staal I hope you get stuck with yourself after you
ZD> die, an atheist you, I'd call that religious justice!!
Even worse, Zach, he could reincarnate as a woman! One in an abusive
relationship. THAT would be justice.
He probably does read his fairy story book, and interprets it in his
own perverse way.
... Quick hide the bodies! The moderator cometh...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Re: FUNDIES ARE WONDERFUL FOL
|Date: 30 Jan 96 20:32:24
EID:c46f 203ea400
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e93
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
Judith Bandsma wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about FUNDIES
ARE WONDERFUL FOL
JB> It hit me as a bit strange to open the paper today and see an article
JB> about a couple finally being able to get married. They wanted to do
it
JB> in a church, but every church in their community turned them
JB> down...refused to marry them (even though she is 7 months
JB> pregnant)...because they are homeless. I admit to not liking the
JB> circumstances, it doesn't seem like the healthiest atmosphere to bring
JB> a child into...but to flat out tell them no, to say that their child
JB> isn't worth having a legitimate name because of it, stinks.
That sucks really big time! On top of which it doesn't speak well of
the compassion that Christianity is suppose to have to humanity! On
the contrary, it sounds terribly hypocritical to me. THAT is why I
left Christianity.
JB> And then on the next page I find the story about the 17 year old
JB> female triplets who have charged their father with sexual molestation.
JB> He took them to the doctor to get birth control pills and then started
JB> screwing them because 'god told him to have sex with us'. And he talked
JB> to god regularly. He's a minister.
That is even sicker than the first part of your message! I hope he is
or has gotten excuommunicated.
... A hug warms the soul and places a smile in the heart.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Pagani/Wicca racists?
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:07:49
EID:d1c4 203ea8e0
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REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61393443
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J.J. Hitt wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about Pagani/Wicca
racists?
KW> Or found yourself totally seriously debating brown vs green vs
KW> black for the north.
JH> What possible argument could be made for using green to represent
JH> the north? As the only quadrant that the sun's arc doesn't cross,
JH> it should be sterile. Either black, a lunar white or shades of
JH> blue that approach either white or black.
JH> Green should only be for the east or south.
JH> (Unless you are in the southern hemisphere, in which case don't
JH> use green in the south.)
I suppose it depends upon which school of Pagan/Wiccan thought a
person suscribes to. Personally, I favor brown (candles) when I can
find them, otherwise I use green to indicate the fertility of the
Earth.
My training was of an elclectic nature and am rather versatile.
... "Hail to She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed-But-Is-Too-Nice-To-Insist-On-It!"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: a miracle in the making
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:19:45
EID:9591 203eaa60
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e95
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 613a85f2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
J.J. Hitt wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about a miracle
in the making
JH> Ah... that reminds me of something. I'm about to put a roast in the
JH> oven. When I bought it I had no intention of buying a roast. I
JH> didn't even go to the store with the intention of buying meat.
JH> You know you're a hopeless case when you buy a cut of meat simply
JH> because the price tag says $6.66.
That's funny!!
... Now, Here's John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Linda Whitten
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Quality fundy time
|Date: 30 Jan 96 21:22:08
EID:3306 203eaac0
MSGID: 1:128/203.0 31104e96
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 613adbb0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8271
J.J. Hitt wandered into Linterah's line of vision babbling about Quality
fundy time
DH>> Well I Am still with my mom (17 Years of age In 10th
DH>> grade) well I know what that disorder.. well how are
DH>> things at westwood High.. well I am home schooled by my
DH>> mom.. It's Fun.. i use to write meny from your bbs.. well I
DH>> need to go.. Please write back..
DH>> Kris O'Kelly
JH> I don't know how I missed the original of this.
JH>
JH> But it sure as hell explains a lot...
Doesn't it, though!!!
JH> I wonder if homeschoolers can sue their parents for malpractice?
He should, maybe, become a test case!! And sue, sue sue!
... TACO BELL is NOT the Mexican Phone Company!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: BroJam is ToeJam.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:50:20
EID:0df0 20418e40
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim "idiot" Staal: The Truth Teller <=-
TTT> Unless you name is Rice in which case you have the right to alter
TTT> posts to your heart's content without any measure of censure taken
TTT> against you.
ML> You're a good one to talk, Shitheels. Remember the little
ML> additions you made in your posts to me?
JS> No, I don't. Could you provide a little evidence of same, please?
My, my. You certainly do have a very short, and convenient,
memory; oh "English Major".
Let me refresh what passes for your mind:
Perchance you remember back a few days when you challenged me
on some minutiae when you said that "I appeared to be more a
man of words"?
I responded that I was that and more; yet your reply, as quoted
was that "I appeared to be more a man of _mere_ words".
I called you on that, and, you blinkered fucking retard, YOU
EVEN ADMITTED TO ALTERING THE QUOTE; saying that it was your
quote originally and that "you didn't mind the alteration".
I do mind and I object. I object to your altering the quote,
I object to you claiming that you forgot to admitting that
you altered the quote and I object to you as a carbon-based life
form.
There you go, shitheels. If that's not evidence enough; perhaps
I can see if Steve Q. or Fred Rice has the particular quote
archived to further refresh your lilliputian memory.
Poltroon.
... The Dark Ages are alive and well in the mind of every fundamentalist.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 31 Jan 96 11:29:40
EID:9290 203f5ba0
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML> And scotch has the added bonus of humic acid and fish piss.
ML>
RJ> Don't diss humus--it's the stuff of life.
ML>
ML> Rotting vegetal matter or Middle Eastern side dish?
RJ>
RJ> The rotting stuff. The chickpea dip (I make that stuff and
RJ> eat it by the bowlful) is called hammus.
Funny. They call it "hummus" over there...
... Here's a little slice of Hell: Guinness Lite.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Thomas Cameron
|Sub: my vision
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:21:44
EID:58cd 204172a0
Thomas Cameron, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to All:
TC> I had a dream. In it I saw three maids a milking and out of the
TC> goat a man with green hair and a zuchini up his nose said "Hear me
TC> boy, you are more beautiful than the three hairs on my cat." Can
TC> anyone understand the deep philisophical meaning of this dream?
Yep. You should lay off the scotch before bedtime.
... If religious people are so happy, why do they pray so much?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 31 Jan 96 12:16:47
EID:8d70 203f6200
Coridon Henshaw, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to David Worrell:
CH> On Thursday January 25 1996 at 01:47, David Worrell wrote to J.J.
CH> Hitt:
DW> it shouldn't be long until a similar device [PGPphone] is developed
DW> that can be attached directly to the phone itself.
CH> Yeah, it's called the clipper chip. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Was that a three-masted or four-masted clipper chip?
... Talk science to the "True Believers" and they call it lies.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:22:11
EID:1ede 204172c0
Coridon Henshaw, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
CH> Friday January 26 1996 20:25, David Worrell wrote to Marty Leipzig:
ML>> Although I am loathe to admit, I do have an active AOL
ML>> account
CH> AFAIK, Assholes On Line doesn't have IRC access, thank gawd.
Well, according to some techno-weenie over there, if I download
Winsock.dll, and a program called mIRC, configure it correctly
(by the light of a full moon in the middle of a pregnant
jaguar's estrus cycle) and carefully, by placing all the bits
into tiny pots, after finding their father's hammer which they
left in a different place only the night before, I can be
chatting away in no time.
Piss on that. I'm getting my own SLP account and Netscape; and
telling AOL to preform certain calisthenic stunts which have
to do with toroidal pastries locomoting down gravel roads.
ML>> (for business reasons).
CH> That's what they all say.
I'm was going to get new business cards printed up anyways...
... Leaching before faulting? Man, you've got the karst before the horst!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Fundy
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:22:44
EID:2aa0 204172c0
Zayd Allebban, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Steve Rose:
-> Ok...here is your first two. The jeezoids love this one since one of
-> them asked this very question a couple of years ago to a muslim and
-> never got his answer... so please answer truthfully:
-> "Why do you stick your ass up into the air five times a day?"
ZA> We PRAY five times daily as a means to worship Allah.
Why? Quite seriously, if Allah is supposed to be omnipotent and
all knowing, why must you pray? Wouldn't an all powerful and
all knowing god already know what you were going to say?
Is he that keen on redundancy?
ZA> It's that
ZA> simple. We must constantly be worshipping and obeying Him and never
ZA> forget Him.
Why? Is he that vain and egotistical?
ZA> It is also one of the main duties of a Muslim as prescribed
ZA> in the Qur'an.
Are you one who believes the Qu'ran is inerrant and believe the
Qu'ran literally?
Oh, BTW. I'm the one who came up with "The Ultimate Shit List";
which prompted or galled you into posting here. I'm also an
atheist who just so happens to have worked in the FSU and
Middle East for the last 7 or so years. Allow me to welcome you
here and forewarn you of the potential logical slings and
areligious arrows that will soon be heading your way. And
lastly, I am quite serious in my questions to you. If you find
them rude or blasphemous, (1.) you're going to be in for a
rough trip here and (2.) you'd best examine your faith a tad
more closely.
... Behead a Lawyer for Allah!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:08:14
EID:c533 20412900
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> Schipol is merely the launching pad (and receiving station on
JB>
JB> One small nit to pick...it's SchipHol (ship's hole...used to be part
JB> of the Zuider Zee which is now a LOT smaller and called the Ijselmeer)
Mea culpa. At least I didn't add an errant "t" now, did I?
ML> conceivable smut-tape ever produced? That's two doors down,
ML> take a left and ask for Daave...
JB>
JB> Have you visited the Tupperware Museum there? (For anyone else reading
JB> this, that is not a joke. Schiphol Airport is the location for the
JB> Tupperware Museum.)
Nope, missed that. But I'll be going back there next week and
I'll look for it. (This has to be a hoot.)
ML> Plus...the KLM departure gate is exactly 45 meters from the
ML> Orangaboom kiosk.
JB>
JB> Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
Ummmm...The dark one...?
JB> ... Never argue with a Skunk, a Mule, or Marty Leipzig.
ahem...
... Don't drink, don't smoke, eat right...get run over by a church bus.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:23:37
EID:c533 204172e0
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> complaining about the technology...use the Dutch PAY PHONE system?
ML> Schipol is merely the launching pad (and receiving station on
JB>
JB> I just figured that seeing that, you'd realize I can handle most
JB> anything. Or have you never tried to USE the Dutch pay phone system?
JB> (Leo's a native, and HE has trouble with it.)
Scene: Me wandering off of a 4 hour KLM flight from Moscow after
8 grueling hours of a previous Aeroflot flight from Novyy
Urengoy. Into SchipHol I go and think, in a typically
industrious and jetlagged way "I'll just ring the wife and let
her know I made it."
45 minutes and 3 Oranjebooms later I'm thinking "She knows were
I'm supposed to be. I'll call her from Houston Intergalactic
when I get in..."
That phone system over there would have Star Trek's Scotty in tears...
... La Quinta is Spanish for "Next to Denny's".
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:14:09
EID:81e7 204129c0
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Preston Simpson <=-
ML> AOL really pisses me off with their censorship. I write them
ML> letters verging on what is sometimes seen on HolySmoke, but
ML> only get the most sweetness and light answers. Unfortunately,
ML> the answers have nothing to do with my questions...
JB>
JB> At least you should be used to that, after being HERE for so long.
At least here it's free...
... Become an Italian Alpine Geotectonicist. Appenines day.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:27:45
EID:8c17 20412b60
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-28-96 14:03, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> And I don't mean Foster's beer cans...
DC> Heard of it, but never seen it around here... I take it, like
DC> Coor's, it's not worth it.
ML> HERETIC! INFIDEL! PERSECUTE THE UNBELIEVER!
DC> Better yet, make him drink it....
You will...
ML> addition of a new green label lager to the Foster's line;
ML> especially fine as well.
ML> Net me your address and I'll send you a couple.
DC> Net mail on the way. Let me know if you didn't recieve it. Fido
DC> have been just a bit strange lately.
DC> BTW, I do appreciate the offer!
Got the netmail and package is away!
... "Van Damme and Van Damme in 'Van Damme You All to Hell!'"- Tom
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Altering another quote, scarecrow?
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:24:25
EID:f5fe 20417300
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Altering another
PS> quote, scarecrow?"
ML> Nechevo.
PS> There you go again.
ML> Iz Veniet.
PS> Well, you lost *me* on that one.
Sorry (that's what it means, BTW).
PS> "Nechevo" I could at least have a
PS> shot at understanding.
Nechevo is Russian for Nyet Problem.
ML> Hardly. Although I can, unlike others, trace my familial
ML> lineage.
PS> And your family tree *does* fork, right?
ML> That it does. It seems Jimbozo's family tree is suffering some
ML> form of Dutch Idiocy Disease.
PS> A damn shame, that.
Indeed, that it brings forth blooming idiots is also a shame.
... Genius may have limitations, but stupidity is not so handicapped.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:24:47
EID:0557 20417300
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "talking critters"
BH> As for writing, most tribes had it. Europeons couldn't READ it. And
BH> we didn't have to kill trees to do it, either! Ever heard of
BH> petroglyphs? Wampum belts? etc. etc...
ML> How about quipu?
PS> And the Spanish conquistadores burned most of them, thinking them to
PS> be devices of the Devil. Ignorant fucks.
Well, they WERE Christians, were they not?
... The best political community is made of the middle class - Aristotle
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Math anxiety, ñ 3%.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:25:04
EID:d2f8 20417320
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Math anxiety, ñ
PS> 3%."
PS> If there is a hell, then I will meet you there, you heinous
PS> blasphemer.
ML> Doc Glodbreg'll be in charge of the meatloaf concession, and
ML> I'll be there doling out the scotch.
PS> And you'll throw differential equations at me, won't you?
Nahhhh...I'll just _integrate_ them into the program.
... Evolution may be "just a theory", but it's a DAMN good theory.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: White-lightning Religions
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:36:39
EID:5750 20412c80
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lightning
PS> Religions"
ML> Drinking scotch again, young Preston?
PS> I never drink.
ML> What? You're a camel?
PS> Nope. I absorb all the moisture I need from eucalyptis leaves. It's
a
PS> koala thing.
How marsupial of you (I'll probably get pouched in the nose for
that one...)
PS> Thank you, thank you. And now I shall go forth and endeavour to sin
PS> all the more.
ML> Please do, and in multifarious and vexatious new ways.
PS>
ML> Walketh not the walk of scotch. For those who see you will
ML> call you silly.
PS> Or dead. I think I'm allergic to alcohol.
Gad...that's like being allergic to air...
ML> You have my deepest sympathies. Thankfully you're not allergic
ML> to Twinkies...
PS> Nah. Twinkies have enough preservatives to mummify the living. But at
PS> least you know one of the more important reasons behind my
PS> teetotalism.
At least it's not a "free-will" decision...
... Humans have free will. Killer Whales have Free Willy.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:39:27
EID:1653 20412ce0
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "WHY"
ML> These characters have red-shifted past the point of no return.
PS> Better than blue-shifting into us.
ML> With fundies screaming into their keyboards as their arguments
ML> are debunked, blue seems a most appropriate color for them.
PS> Just like little Smurfs, they are.
I root for Gargamel.
... Ex paucis plurima concipit ingenium.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:39:49
EID:5227 20412ce0
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "A LITTLE HELP
PS> FROM SP"
PS> Better watch out, though. The place can turn into a real cesspool
PS> fast.
ML> Especially after a pizza and kegger party.
PS> I don't wanna think about it.
Hey. That's how I survived college...
... Birefringence is caused by homoaxial sectors, not homosexual actors.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:40:18
EID:0b92 20412d00
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Staal shows he's
PS> colored"
PS> Nah. Those were recycled into the NOODLES pot.
ML> Or, in Jimbozo's case; the no-noodle pot.
PS> "What? Huh?!"
Noodle, as in "Use your noodle"; ancient retroslang for gray
matter.
ML> It figures.
PS> I was thinking troglodyte myself, but bottom dweller will do.
ML> Which makes catfish, lamperys and laywers deeply resentful.
PS> At least you can eat the catfish.
And lamperys cull the weak.
... Drop that Bible and come out with your eyes open!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:42:10
EID:b866 20412d40
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "2 SO, WHY GOD?"
PS> I am starting to adapt that as a general rule of thumb, applicable to
PS> anyone that I don't already know.
ML> If anything in life is a "Truism", this is. The best part, if
ML> someone you meet is an idiot; you'll be correct. If they're
ML> not, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
PS> True, but the people in question tend to be offended if I'm correct,
Just tell them that you're offended by their idiocy.
PS> as I will then avoid them or (as actually happened in one of my
PS> classes a couple of semesters ago), go out of my way to show
PS> *everyone* how idiotic they are.
HolySmoke...the board game.
... Alabama, 'eh. Just wait until your Uncle Dad hears about all this.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:25:52
EID:b21e 20417320
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Steve Wallis:
SW> 9. earthquakes in divers places,
PS> These also have been common throughout history. What makes you think
PS> that they are increasing in frequency?
These "earthquakes in divers places" are very common.
Especially near subduction zones.
... Don't do anything stupid. Place the comma where you find appropriate.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: PERSECUTION CENTRAL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 05:57:03
EID:0bb3 20412f20
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Don Martin:
-=> Quoting Don Martin to David Worrell <=-
DM> Just an old sage with thyme on his hands.
JB> Or maybe Rosemary was distracting him.
Trying to curry favor?
... All right! Another Earthquake.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: george's brag...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 06:30:44
EID:326b 204133c0
Katherine Wintersnight, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
said to Brother Jimmy:
KW> Whomever of you is currently in control:
JS> -=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Jim Staal <=-
JS>Great. Tune in WTLJ (TV54) this Friday at 11:30-12:30 and see if I
JS>pass...
KW> As what? Are you going to be in drag?
The only way we want to see BroJim in drag is behind a city bus.
... Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: There's no "Scotch Street" in N'awlins.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:26:17
EID:0518 20417340
J.J. Hitt, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
RJ>> Uh-oh...that's a place I've nought 'eard of.
ML> No? Damn. Visko's Steam Room. On the Left Bank, as I
ML> recall. Shabby exterior, lines around the block, sort of
ML> neo-retro-gonzo-blackguard-paleo-fisherman's wharf-sort of
ML> grunge ambiance; but the best damned steamed seafood
ML> available.
ML> And quite reasonably priced. And they don't serve scotch.
JH> Seems like every town I've lived in had at least one "out of
JH> the boat and into your lap" place like that. Miami had a place
JH> under the Flagler Street bridge. Baltimore had more places like
JH> that than I can number. Galveston probably has at least a couple,
JH> but I've not located them.
Try the "Oar House; just off the Strand, off of pier 17. Cheap
chow, cold beer, dangerous neighboorhood...all the makings of a
classic chowdery.
JH> But not Houston, not as far as I can tell.
Down near the Ship Channel, there was a place called "Popeye's"
of some other Seegarian sobriquet. I think it's changed hands
and now caters to upscale, NooVeaux-Riche River Oakian scum.
... From pipeclamps to nun's clothes: what were once vices are now habits.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:43:25
EID:392f 20416d60
J.J. Hitt, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
CM>> You'd better be standing on a milk crate when you call a
CM>> 17" monitor 'small,' bucko.
ML> But I'm 6'7" tall and I have a 21" inch monitor...
ML> And I'm an English Major...
ML> And used to do all sorts of dangerous drugs...
ML> And carry a weapon at all times...
JH> Shouldn't that read "I be some English Major." ?
Which has FactStaaLumpMabon jumping up and down screaming
"It be me! It be me!"
... A woman drove me to drink. I never properly thanked her.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:44:42
EID:a08a 20416d80
Steve Rose, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
SR> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to Lump:
ML> Lump, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
ML> Marty Leipzig:
ML> No, you stupid fuck. The quote is: "I love the smell of napalm
ML> in the morning. It smells like victory". Robert Duvall, on the
ML> beach,
Lu> ...I beleive he was in his hut when he said it ....not quite
Lu> sure tho...
ML> Nope. On the beach, watching the surfers dodge incoming.
ML> Get it right, for the first time in your fetid little
ML> trischizophrenic life.
SR> It's obvious now. Lumpy was actually too young to see the movie when
SR> it was in theatres...
Now, the restriction regarding "No animals allowed" prohibit
his entrance.
SR> and his mama won't let him watch a real movie at
SR> home.
But she lets he read the Bible? Now there's some skewed values.
... He who has a shady past knows that nice guys finish last.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Potables, potent and potential.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:46:51
EID:6860 20416dc0
Robert Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
RJ> "oiliness" from the herbs and/or coloration?
ML>
ML> Crisp and clean as a Siberian morning. Not a trace of oilyness
ML> nor unctuity, but some does have a sharp herbal *twang*. With
ML> your Pynchonian penchant for oddly flavored potables, this will
ML> be right up your street.
RJ>
RJ> Sounds great. I presume it's only to be drunk in the Russian
RJ> manner--ice cold shotglasses?
Nope. The One, True Russian way...Ice cold tumblers.
RJ> Forget even adding icecubes to
RJ> a glass for sipping.
RJ> Nah, the aqvavit was *great* (although I don't really like
RJ> the varieties with dill--just pure caraway for me).
ML>
ML> I like the dill varieties *once* in a great while.
RJ>
RJ> I bought a bottle with the dill flavoring, which gave the
RJ> aqvavit a light golden brown tint. It wasn't bad, but the dill
RJ> just drowned out the caraway, which was a really nice plain,
RJ> clean flavor.
An acquired taste, to be sure. At least it lacks scotch's
"shoe-polish" finish.
ML> I like sushi a great deal, but I draw the line at sea urchin
ML> roe. Not too bad of a smell, but the texture and coloration
ML> reminiscent of newborn excrement was just too much for this
ML> Daddy-O to handle...
RJ>
RJ> If Baby Huey was eating marshmallows and chewing gum.
So...you've had it too?
... í>=| Can I get you a drink? >=| One without an olive?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: love
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:49:13
EID:14ea 20416e20
Katherine Wintersnight, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
said to Marty Leipzig:
ML> ML> ML> Both of them.
ML> ML> ML>... "TITS! TITS! TITS! Welcome to Thoracic Park!"
ML> ML> KW> Is this not heresy against Gwenny's Divine Tits?
ML> ML> Not at all, I'm just being _broad_ minded...
ML> KW> Anything to put a bounce in her step, eh, Marty?
ML> Just trying to keep abreast of things while I'm abroad.
KW> You're just sucking up, Marty.
No, just getting comfortable.
... Only through Cheeses can one find Gouda.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Homosexual Christian
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:49:47
EID:8733 20416e20
Karen Davis, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
KD> On (26 Jan 96) Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon Henshaw...
ML> "Not another list, Franz?!?"
CH> Get a Handel on yourself.
ML> Now Holst on there, buckaroo.
KD> I'm Haydn 'til it's overture!
You'll be Bach...
... Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum menum!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: I feel good...!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:52:35
EID:3b0c 20416e80
Katherine Wintersnight, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
said to Brother Jimmy:
KW> Whomever of you is currently in control:
JS> Because they know you are an unstable person who is liable to become
JS> crazed with rage in a heartbeat...I recall a phone call you had with
a
JS> friend of mine...
KW> Jimmy-boy, are you sure you want to criticize anyone about
KW> instability? -!-
Now there's a clear cut case of the pot blacking the kettle-call.
... I hope you grow 1,000 assholes, get the dying shits and live to 100.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Book him, Danno
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:57:56
EID:5b78 20416f20
Fredric Rice, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to All:
FR> "Prometheus was not sentenced unjustly."
Yeah...but chaining him to a rock and sending an eagle to pluck
at his liver?
The least he could do is make him drink scotch instead.
... He looks like an aging Jesus whose death penalty was commuted to life.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: CHRISTOGOGNY
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:55:40
EID:6231 20418ee0
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-28-96 13:47, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> Explain fundies with 12 in a brood inhabiting a double-wide in
ML> Michigan then...
DC> They are Stalled in the anti-evolution pattern and don't
DC> know any better?
ML> Evolutionary U-turns seldom do.
DC> They are not just a U-turn, but a rock trying to swim.
Even pumice can do that. Jimbozo lacks the acumen of that
volcanic effusive.
DC> to move out of the the city of Wyoming and into the state
DC> of the same name..
ML> Much to the pleasure of the Cowboy State. Just think, they've
DC> Have you noticed that Staaled says he never heard of the place,
DC> and then said he used to live there? Well, one of his "personalities"
DC> said that..
Like cards in a deck, all marked.
ML> already got Devil's Tower. If Jimbo trundled his 6'7" carcass
ML> there, they could boast an "Idiot Tower" as well.
DC> Well, they'll probably just place it in a local sewage treatment
DC> plant and do their best to forget about it ever getting into
DC> th state in the first place.
They'd call Michigan and demand payment for toxic waste
disposal.
... Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: forgiveness available
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:05:56
EID:fe56 204170a0
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-28-96 06:33, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Doens't matter all that much, just as lone as it's cone shaped...
ML> A particularly dented cone.
DC> He hides it well, with the sheet that he wove, but the pointed
DC> crown is a bit askew.
ML> It hides the soot from that latest cross burning, though.
DC> That explains the sheet he also uses as a diaper...
He's just a sheet-head.
... Never attribute malice when stupidity may be the answer.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Sheeit! Get Ice-creamed!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:06:45
EID:668a 204170c0
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-28-96 06:25, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> If you do not stop this slander, I'll send you my patented
DC> Yes, it sounds persverse! (Will that get the Rum Raisin recipe
DC> here quicker?)
ML> Soon, weedhopper, soon...
DC>
DC> That's reserved for the younger godlings, Preston be his name.
DC> Perhaps it can be improved... The one I used to get was not
DC> overly sweet...
ML> Planter's Dark Rum, raisins soaked in Appleton 151 overnight,
ML> and just a touch of pure cane.
DC> That's pretty tough to find nowadays... Got a brand name?
C & H. In supermarkets mostly everywhere.
ML> Call me devious, call me silly,
DC> OK, your silly.
ML>
DC>
DC> No, I'm God Dan, and, yes, I viewed far too many _Police Squad_
DC> episodes...
Tonight's Episode: The Disappearing Witness (pronounced: Blood
on the Wheel).
ML> someone getting shitfaced from a bowl of my ice cream...
DC> Works best when the last bowl is heavily topped with whipped
ML> Tough on the carpets.
DC> Noticed your reply about the walls being carpeted...
True story.
ML> is the liquid volume. Freezing booze isn't all that
ML> difficult...I've been doing research on that problem in
ML> Siberia, don'tchaknow...
DC> Thanks, it got here already!
DC> Kamchatka, with 3 armies...
I'm headed there again come 2/7. Watch for more Tales from the
Warped Side come mid-March.
... "If you didn't want grits, how come you ordered breakfast?"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:09:21
EID:c72e 20417120
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> On 01-28-96 14:39, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> (Just remember, I immortalized you after you sent the duck recipe!)
ML> That's two.
ML> All right...all right...I'll dig it out and post it today (and
ML> if you're not careful, I'll tell you how to modify it and make
ML> tequila and jalapeno ice cream...)
DC> Should you require it, I've got a recipe for an ice cream topping
DC> made with garlic.
"There's always room for garlic."
DC> An, no, I'm not putting you on!
Of course not. I'm way too big.
... "Eat shrapnel, tire boys!"- Tom, "The Corpse Vanishes"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Homocrystal sextants.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:10:16
EID:ed85 20417140
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Homocrystal
PS> sextants."
ML> Let Herr Staal at the job. He's genetically inclined in that
ML> direction.
PS> Also occupationally and intellectually.
ML> Looks like he's just plain congenitally obtuse.
PS> It could be worse. If he were acute, he'd be that much more focused
on
PS> being a fool.
Odd how one can be so obtuse and such an acute annoyance.
Egads.
It's "Contradiction Man! The Walking Clusterfuck!"
... Here's a couple of nails. Can you put me up for the night?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:11:32
EID:9277 20417160
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "#holysmoke"
PS> It varies from server to server. I'm going to have to do some
PS> modifications to my university account so I can access IRC, and it
PS> isn't going to be easy. I may fry the thing altogether.
ML> I signed up for my own SLP/PPP/MICKEYMOUSE (or
ML> whateverthefuckitis) and will only grudgingly keep AOL for
ML> business reasons.
PS> I've managed to get Netscape to work from home, and I've heard that
PS> there are plug-ins for it that will act as IRC servers.
AOL says that if I do many different and probably illicit
things, I can maybe, possibly get IRC. Fuquhume. I'll wait
until I get back and go with the SLP server I ordered.
PS> But then, a friend of mine may be getting to set up a local server for
PS> his family's company (ever hear of Dinstuhl's?),
No. But I've heard of Dinsdale.
PS> and has offered me
PS> an account through that.
If it's free, it's a Noah count.
PS> I know not. I've started getting AOL disks (much the way everyone else
PS> on the planet has), but I've been saving them for formatting and using
PS> as spares.
ML> AOL really pisses me off with their censorship. I write them
ML> letters verging on what is sometimes seen on HolySmoke, but
ML> only get the most sweetness and light answers. Unfortunately,
ML> the answers have nothing to do with my questions...
PS> What kind of questions do you ask?
Questions like: "If a person's behaving like a total asshole,
why the fuck can't I point it out to that asshole his
assholism?"
Reply: "Well. Now that's not nice. Besides, maybe you haven't
heard the Word of God today like he has..."
... SCAN V1.23 The [Stringfellow] virus found. Laugh uproariously at it?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:15:19
EID:0127 204171e0
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Jesus said "EAT
PS> ME!""
PS> I catch the reference, but I've always hated the Beatles. Elvis too.
ML> We'll just call you Allen Sherman from now on:
ML> "My daughter needs a new phonograph,
ML> She wore out all the needles.
ML> Besides, I broke the old one in half,
ML> I hate the Beatles!"
PS> Bah, humbug.
"Baby you can drive my car"?
Barf on vinyl.
ML> It's from that little known British group, way back in the
ML> Paleolithic (or 60's? I forget)...the Blatellidae.
PS> Paleolithic? '60s? What's the difference?
ML> Nixon?
PS> Now *there* was an amusing president.
"I am NOT a crook...
Buy my book."
... I'm an atheist. I don't pretend to know what many idiots are sure of.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:16:25
EID:5227 20417200
Preston Simpson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "A LITTLE HELP
PS> FROM SP"
ML> that we used to subdue unrulies was the old "buffalo headbash".
ML> Very, very effective. Grasping the miscreant on the shoulders
ML> with both hands, you snapmashed your forehead into theirs.
PS> I had someone (not a friend) do that to me in grammar school. He was
PS> most irritated (and nearly unconscious) when it was he who suffered
PS> the agony as I merely gave him an eloquent look. ("Was that supposed
PS> to hurt? Are you sure you did it right?")
Curious. This one has me totally flummoxed. It's almost a
cosmic "If you don't expect it, it's going to hurt like a
mofo."
ML> Plop, down they'd go like pole-axed steers. The funny thing is,
ML> and I still can't figure this one out, is that if you are the
ML> deliverer, you never got more than a mild twang; whilst the
ML> deliveree was gargling gravel.
PS> I think part of it has to do with the surprise factor (how many people
PS> expect that sort of thing?).
I never had any complaints. Particularly immediately after it's
administration.
ML> Mind over bastards, I guess.
PS> Quite possibly.
A touch more elegant than the old knee in the groin and less
messy than a kneecapping.
... "Look. Messiah tracks. Three days old."- Mike, "12 to the Moon"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: At least the 3 Stooges were intentionally stupid.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:18:56
EID:db34 20417240
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DW> 28 Jan 96 13:47, Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon Henshaw:
CH>> A 12-guage, on the other hand.....
ML> Would be a waste of perfectly good gunpowder.
DW> Shoot all you want - we'll make more.
... Up on the roof with the magnum. 9 dead and they blame Marine training.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Edney
|Sub: ?
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:40:06
EID:38f8 203fb500
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fefd7
30 Jan 96 19:13, John Edney wrote to All:
JE> what is this echo about?
about 300 messages a day.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:16:01
EID:f1f8 20411200
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3110226f
REPLY: 1:280/9 0f97ba2d
29 Jan 96 23:11, Rob Burcham wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> If you tie someone up and whip them it's S&M.
JH>> If you tie them up and call them names it's B&D.
RB> What is it if you tie them up and make them eat noodles?
Christianity.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Christian Miller's Ch
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:08:14
EID:0b65 203fa100
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fcc5c
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org d2ed1bcb
30 Jan 96 15:54, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
AS>> why you are even adressing this to me. I have not, nor has
AS>> God, appointed YOU my keeper.
KW> What is it with the hissy-fits in this place lately? We seem to get
KW> more squealing and less thundering every day. Don't you just know
KW> that Annette was tossing her hair around while she typed that?
It seems that *all* the Christians are going off their medication.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:06:52
EID:949c 203fa0c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fcc1a
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310ee434
30 Jan 96 22:38, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Take a nuclear reactor. Make a vent in the cooling system. FIre
DW>> up the reactor. Open the vent and watch it fly away, irradiating
DW>> the surrounding area.
PS> And what genius thought up this idea?
I don't remember. It's a fine example of research dollars gone to waste,
though.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:10:42
EID:8203 203fa140
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fcd17
26 Jan 96 12:15, AL SCHROEDER wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
DW>> Are you and Lynda trying to claim that parents are omnipotent?
DW>> Maybe you're trying to say God is no more omnipotent than the
DW>> average parent?
AS> No; and it doesn't matter. If I can solve all my son's problems, I'm
AS> STILL doing him no favor doing it for him.
Would you let one of your children starve while the other had more than
he could ever hope to eat, Al?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:03:40
EID:57ea 20411060
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31101f96
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 0a3d6caf
30 Jan 96 15:54, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to John Prewett:
KW> Well, Christians, he's yours. Anybody want to try to defend this pile
KW> of slime?
Mikey'll do it. He'll defend anybody.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:28:06
EID:af5f 203f9b80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fc888
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 310c1283
27 Jan 96 09:57, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
AM> Okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet. I am up to the
AM> challenge! Let me define my contention. That from what can be
AM> extrapolated from scientific facts, there is a probability of us
AM> being here by design thats at least, or more compelling than us being
AM> here by natural impersonal causes.
Fine. Even if the evidence you provided supported your claim (And we shall
see later that it doesn't), you'd *still* have to show that the Designer
you speak of was Jehovah God. I notice you left that part out.
AM> Evidence for fine tuning of universe.
Oh, goody! I can't wait!
AM> 1. Strong nuclear force constant
AM> If larger; no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be
AM> unstable If smaller; no elements other than hydrogen
Bzzt! Argument from Ignorance. If the strong nuclear force was greater or
lesser than what it is now, life *as we know it* would be impossible. You
cannot rule out the possibility of other life.
AM> 2. Weak nuclear force constant
AM> If larger; too much hydrogen converted to helium in big bang,
AM> hence too much heavy element material made by star burning
Bzzt! Argument from Ignorance. Once again, this might preclude life *as
we know it* from existing, but it does not mean that some other type of
life would be impossible.
AM> 3. Gravitational force constant
AM> if larger; stars would be too hot and would burn up quicky and
AM> unevenly if smaller; stars would remain so cool that nuclear
AM> fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy element production
Bzzt! Argument from Ignorance (again!). Don't you fundies know any other
fallacies? If the constants were randomly determined, a change in the one
of the other constants could easily make it so that the lowered (or raised)
gravitational constant would have no real effect.
I really hope there's some real evidence buried in this post, Andrew. Let's
keep looking, shall we?
AM> 4. Electromagnetic force constant
Yadda yadda yadda. Once again, argument from ignorance (for reasons similar
to the ones given in 1, 2, and 3).
AM> 5. Ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational
AM> force
Again, Argument from Ignorance. See above.
AM> 6. Ratio of electron to protron mass
Argument from Ignorance. I'm starting to lose hope, Andrew.
AM> 7. Ratio of protron to number of electrons
AfI.
AM> 8. Expansion rate of universe
AfI.
AM> 9. Entropy level of universe
AfI.
AM> 10. Mass density of universe
AM> 11. Velocity of light
AM> 12. Age of universe
AM> 13. Initial uniformity of radiation
AM> 14. Fine structure constant( a number used to describe the fine
AM> 15. Average distance between stars
AM> 16. Decay rate of proton
AM> 17. C to O nuclear energy level ratio
AM> 18. Ground state energy level for HE
AM> 19. Decay rate of BE
AM> 20. Mass excess of nuetron over the proton
AM> 21. Intial excess of nucleons over antinucleons
AM> 22. Polarity of water molecule
AM> 23. Supernova eruptions
You're *really* reaching, aren't you?
AM> 24. White dwarf binaries
AM> 25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
All of the above -> Argument from Ignorance. We don't *know* what would
happen of the constants came out differently, Andrew. Sure, if we changed
*one* of them and left all the others alone, life as we know it could not
exist. However, many of the constants you mentioned complement each other,
thus a change in one can be counteracted with a change in another.
The fact that we are here, whether it is described in stark physical terms
or in fuzzy-bunnies and light terms, is not evidence for the existence of
a Designer (not to mention Jehovah). The argument from ignorance does not
point to a Designer, dipshit, it just points to your ignorance.
AM> Paul Davies " The laws of physics seem themselves to be a
AM> product of exceedingly ingenious design"
Are you familiar with metaphor, Andy? Did Davies happen to mention the name
of the being responsible for this "design"?
AM> George Greenstein (scientist,
What kind of scientist? Where'd he get his degree? What degree does he hold?
(An engineering degree does not qualify one for the label "scientist", Andy)
AM> author)
Author? So's Jackie Collins. Did you have a point to make?
AM> expressed these thoughts,"
AM> As we survey all the evidence,
Does Georgie have some evidence? You have yet to provide any.
AM> the thought insistantly arises that some supernatural agency-or
AM> rather, Agency-must be involved.
You (and Georgie) are treading perilously close to begging the question
here. It appears that you have mastered *two* logical fallacies.
AM> Why do these men (who are by no means "fundies") say this? How
AM> astronom- ical do the odds have to be against impersonal nature
AM> to create a habitat so beneficial for us?
Odds are not evidence for God, Andy. The odds for life existing are unity
(life exists).
AM> If you were before a firing squad of a 100 sharpshooters, and
AM> after the command fire, you dicovered you were still alive, would
AM> you; Assume all the rifles misfired? Or believe the sharpshooter
AM> deliberately missed you?
I would assume nothing until I had some evidence. However, sharpshooters
have been know to miss their targets. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility
for all 100 of them to miss me - no Gods required.
AM> This evidence I've presented
Where? Did you present it in some kind of code? All I see is the argument
from ignorance.
AM> There
AM> are another 32 parameters that have to be satisfied for a planet
AM> like our to develop.
Odds and the argument from ignorance are not evidence for God, dipshit.
Try again.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:35:44
EID:57e2 20411460
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31102717
REPLY: 1:330/204@fidonet.org 2c888baf
30 Jan 96 20:27, Steve Macdonald wrote to All:
SM> HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER. I DON'T
SM> KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SM> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
Do you know what a caps lock key is? Use it.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:49:52
EID:fce9 203fb620
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310ff21c
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 310d40a8
28 Jan 96 09:14, Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis:
AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof
AM> that it happened?
Name them.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:04:49
EID:d28f 20411080
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31101ff0
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310ee429
30 Jan 96 22:38, Preston Simpson wrote to Jim Staal:
JS>> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS>> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
PS> This is still silly, Jim. Using the Bible to show that the Bible is
PS> inerrant is like using the words of Richard Nixon to show that he
PS> isn't a crook.
Would you be willing to bet on whether or not Jimbo leaps to Tricky Dick's
defense?
If he'll defend Swaggart, he'll defend *anybody*.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:52:55
EID:be6a 203f9e80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fca1e
REPLY: 1:271/460 310e8481
30 Jan 96 15:47, Kenneth Mcabee wrote to David Worrell:
KM>>> Where's your evidence that a God who can ANYTHING doesn't exist?
DW>> Haven't we been through this before, moron? Where's your
DW>> evidence that the tooth fairy *doesn't* exist? Where's your
DW>> evidence that I *do not* have an IOU, signed by you, for $10
DW>> billion?
KM> Where's the book that states that the tooth fairy does exist?
I've got it right here? Don't believe me? Where's your evidence that such
a book does not exist?
KM> Where is the workings of the tooth fairy?
Did you never get quarters under your pillow when you lost a tooth? If not,
you must've been one of those evil little boys who rejected the "Trvth"
offered by the tooth fairy.
KM> All the workings of the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and Santa
KM> Claus is from the parents,
Maybe in your case that is so. You were obviously a shitty little brat,
so the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus never *really* visited
you. Your parents did all the things for you that the above three mentioned
beings do for all the good little boys and girls so that you wouldn't feel
left out.
Again, where's your evidence that the tooth fairy does not exist?
KM> None of these magical beings even claimed to be anything
KM> have they?
The tooth fairy claims to be the creator of the universe. It says so right
here in this book. Where's your evidence that I do not have such a book?
(are you beginning to see the stupidity of asking for evidence for negative
claims, dipshit?)
KM> Where's my evidence that you do not have an IOU?
KM> That's easy, there you are talking about something physical, not
KM> something spiritual, I have never physically signed one,
KM> therefore you cannot have one.
That's not evidence, Ken. You* claim* to have never signed one, yet I have
an IOU right here in front of me with your signature on it. Either come
up with some evidence or pay up.
Are you *really* this fucking stupid, Ken?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:35:14
EID:e477 203fb460
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310feec8
30 Jan 96 14:05, Judith Bandsma wrote to Ryan Shaw:
JB> I guess he thinks I'm going to let up on the issue of his (dis)honesty
JB> with crap like that. He's wrong.
JB> I've got a new cuss phrase for those who don't use 'Jesus Christ' and
JB> 'Oh God' for expletives. How about 'Staal's Balls!'
Pretty good. Like Jesus Christ and God, Staal's Balls don't exist.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Inherently Ignorant
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:26:19
EID:d752 203f9b40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fc27b
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e0a10d9
28 Jan 96 12:39, Fredric Rice wrote to David Worrell:
RM>> every year to theft. Not to mention shoplifting.
dw>> Shoplifting *is* theft, moron.
FR> I wonder what these fundies think of the decline in murder in the
FR> United States. They want to pretend that the world is getting more
FR> and more dangerous as their latest "end times" comes around and yet
FR> they're mysteriously silent about the dropping murder rates.
Secret Satanic murders are taking up the slack. Don't you know *anything*?
:)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:28:40
EID:24c5 20411380
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311025ff
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310ee823
Which of the various Staal personae is in possession of the neuron tonight?
31 Jan 96 03:12, Jim Staal wrote to Zayd Allebban:
JS> Well, for one, is there any direct command in the Koran that would
JS> account for the the terrible confrontations between Moslems in various
JS> parts of the world today? How about between Moslems and the nation
JS> Israel?
Well, for one, is there any direct command in the Bible that would account
for the terrible confrontations between Christians in Ireland and other
parts of the world today? How about between Christians and Moslems in the
Crusades and various other points throughout history and today?
Your wife is a dumbass, Jimbo.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:34:15
EID:24c5 20411440
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311026e8
Which of the various Staal personae is in possession of the neuron tonight?
=============================================================================
* Forwarded by David Worrell (1:3615/41.11)
* Area : HOLYSMOKE (HolySmoke)
* From : AL SCHROEDER, 1:116/3000 (26 Jan 96 12:10)
* To : THE FACTS.
* Subj : AL SCHROEDER
=============================================================================
JB> If this is not an admission of the evil intent of this person toward
JB> someone who was grieving and in pain, I don't know what is.
TF> Where is the intent demonstrated, you silly female twit?
Um. Uh, Jim, do you WANT to be twitted some more?
JB> I don't know which is worse, the original vituperation directed at
JB> Shelby UNDER AN ASSUMED NAME and perpetrated in full public view,
TF> Evidence of this please? Just once can you prove what you are saying?
TF> You cannot because it never happen! You, Judy, are a liar!
Jim. You're Lou. I can believe you did it out of concern (at least part
of
it...that, "where did he live, a tee-pee" was pretty bad--)but the God
walking him through the valley of death bit I think you honestly meant it
as a comfort not seeing that saying that is just as insulting as a Wiccan
saying, "Well, may the Goddess lead your father back to good health, and
if not, may Cerrunos guide him to the Summerlands." I have EVERY SYMPATHY
with your sick father, but I think you would be insulted if I said that,
or a Wiccan said that. So perhaps you can understand why neither Shelby
or
Judith took it well.
JB> With his record of lies,
TF> Evidence of this accusation?
Jim/Lou. Who are you, Jim? Be yourself. If you don't want to be twitted,
the trick is not to change your name, but to change what you say. If I say
I am someone other than I am, than I am lying.
JB> It was not
JB> beyond him to hurt and villify Shelby in a time of grief in a very
JB> public manner.
TF> This is a false accusation, manufactured in your own mind as there
TF> are no facts to support it.
Easy, Jim. What you said many could take as not a comfort, but a mockery.
JB> Therefore, he should make the truth known in JUST AS
JB> PUBLIC a manner. Not try to hide it further in private netmail.
TF> Judy...Judy..Judy...like who is going to make me do this? No crate is
TF> tall enough...
SOMEONE is going to make you do this, Jim. Not me. Not Judith. (Who has
specifically requested you not to call her Judy.) Not Shelby. Not Lynda.
Someone IS standing on a crate that's tall enough.
John 8:32. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free."
John 16:13. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will
guide you unto all truth."
John 18:37. "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." And
notice it was followed with, "And Pilate said unto him, What is truth?"
As your brother in Christ, I admonish you to tell the truth. Stop hiding
behind many names. (Using one pseudonym an echo is okay. To stage a
population explosion on one echo is not.) If you don't want to be twitted,
change what you say. You don't need to sacrifice your principles. You can
find better ways to say it.
I'm not telling you this, Jim. Jesus IS. Jesus who felt the truth was
worth dying for.
There's an old country saying. "Tell the truth and shame the devil."
It's not a bad way to live.
JB> If Jim Staal will not make public the content of his private post to
JB> Al, then I am asking Al Schroeder to make it available to the rest of
JB> us.
TF> He never got it. Stir on, babe...
No. I didn't. And even if I had, I wouldn't have revealed it publicly
without your permission.
JB> Al, everyone on this echo deserves to know the truth. If Jim won't
JB> supply it, will you? (And with the track record Staal has, I truly
JB> don't expect him to do more than blow another gasket at even the idea
JB> of telling the truth for a change.)
TF> Tell 'em, Al. Tell 'em the entire 'dirty' truth. I got nothing ot
TF> hide.
I never got it. But you may still have it. I invite you to post the
explanation publicly.
(Since I currently seem to be Fido-cursed in some areas, like Jim's, I
request Judith to repost this directly to Jim/Lou/"The Facts".)
... Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.--Thoreau.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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BTW, your wife is a dumbass.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:22:54
EID:8142 203f9ac0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fc220
30 Jan 96 11:06, Judith Bandsma wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Mark Hogan <=-
DW>> cunt (I just had to say it again)
JB> Well no wonder you can't get one of your own.
I'm not *always* a slug, Judith. ;) I can be quite civilized when I put
my mind to it.
JB> Ah hell, for all of Mike's bitching about it being such a
JB> disparaging word, I just realized why it doesn't affect me like
JB> it does most women. (It used to)
That effect is precisely why I use it. When a ball-peen hammer won't get
the job done, you must bring out the 10 lb. sledge.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:59:53
EID:f981 203f9f60
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fcb4e
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 310e260f
29 Jan 96 07:49, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
AM>>> Natural science by definition precludes God.
DW>>> Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural
DW>>> sciences "preclude" God.
AM>> Huh? what does "natural science" mean to you?
DW>> Irrelevant. You made a statement. I'm asking you to clarify it.
DW>> Where do any of the natural sciences "preclude" God. Stop
DW>> shuffling and answer the question.
AM> Must you continue to showcase your ignorance? According to Micheal
AM> Ruse,(please don't ask me who he is as your credibility is
AM> already sinking fast)
Do you imagine that I am concerned with what you view as my lack
of credibility?
If you wish for your sources to be taken seriously, you must provide something
in the way of credentials. For all I know, Michael Ruse might be the truck
driver who lives next door to you.
AM> "The creationists believe the world started miraculously. But
AM> miracles lie outside of science, which by definition deals with
AM> the natural, the repeatable, that which is governed by law."
So? I notice that Ruse said *nothing* about science *precluding* God. (You
*do* know what "preclude" means, don't you? I'd suggest you look it up again
just to make sure.)
AM> Now will you please stop embarrassing the other atheists on
AM> this board with your silly questions!
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:04:44
EID:f981 203fa080
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310fcb77
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 310e2610
29 Jan 96 08:06, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW>>> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified
DW>>> abomionations, yet he does not judge Nazi Germany? That's a
DW>>> pretty fucked up God you worship.
AM>> Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond?
AM>> Where is the thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and
AM>> terminated.
DW>> Got any evidence that God was the one doing the judging? From
DW>> the history I read, it looks the the Allies were the ones doing
DW>> the judgement.
I'm still waiting on an answer to this question.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:48:47
EID:9f18 20411600
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31102a2c
31 Jan 96 06:08, Judith Bandsma wrote to Blanche Nonken:
BN>> you'll find more neat Giger written stuff.
JB> Well, now that I have an internet account, I looked up his web page.
JB> There's a screen saver, too. With a story by Harlan Ellison,
JB> written to go with it.
Planning on keeping the URL to yourself?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:56:04
EID:3d92 20417700
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3110d4e0
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 310fff05
31 Jan 96 04:36, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to AL SCHROEDER:
LB> given, and I freely admit it. It's the suggestion that I am some sort
LB> of puppet for the non-believers -- dammit, every word I've said came
LB> out of me without any coaching and I want credit or condemnation for
LB> it myself! (G)
That's nice, dearie. Run back to the kitchen and whip us up something to
eat now, ok? When we need you again, we'll send you another script...
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: creation
|Date: 01 Feb 96 15:06:00
EID:cfa9 204178c0
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REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310fea2c
31 Jan 96 17:16, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> There are times when a foil or rapier is the appropriate weapon.
DW>> When the foil is ineffective, one must bring out the hammer and
DW>> mace.
PS> This is true. May I quote you in the future?
Sure. My quotes are shareware, though. Each time you use it, you must send
me one dollar. I do have a bulk rate, too - for $365.25, you can use it
as often as you want for a period of one year. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:47:19
EID:31b4 204175e0
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31 Jan 96 17:16, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I can see I'm going to have to commit *two* homicides when I'm
DW>> next in Memphis. :)
PS> Let me know when you get into town. Maybe the three of us can get
PS> together someplace and talk.
OK. I *might* be home for spring break in the middle of March (depending
on how far behind I am with my projects). If not then, it'll be sometime
after the 11th of May.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:44:45
EID:a484 20411580
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31102993
REPLY: 1:123/67 310f5810
31 Jan 96 11:52, Shelby Sherman wrote to David Worrell:
SS> 30 Jan 96 00:58, quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy:
DW>> You wanna try it, shithead?
SS> Brother Jimmy is undoubtedly on welfare and unable to afford a ticket
SS> to Knoxville. If he flys in, be sure to meet him at the gate.
I'm hoping he does show up. I've got a friend who has agreed to videotape
the confrontation so that everyone can see what a 6'5" bag of shit looks
like when it splatters on the pavement. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:46:49
EID:a484 204115c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311029f4
REPLY: 1:123/67 310f5984
31 Jan 96 11:55, Shelby Sherman wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Refresh my memory, Jim. Who was it that said, "I am the way, the
SS> Brother Jimmy is too challenged to know his own book. Here, try this:
SS> JN 14:6
I knew the verses, Shelby. I just wanted to see if Jimbo did. :)
SS> Bro Jimmy seems to be quite the hypocrite:
Seems?
SS> MT 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's
SS> eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Jim doesn't have a plank in his eye - he's got 5000 acres of old-growth
forest.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:49:12
EID:4a72 20417620
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3110d358
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310fea2e
31 Jan 96 17:16, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
JS>>> I referencing the personal attacks that were foisted upon me the
JS>>> day I walked into this place. My point was this: I can walk into
JS>>> the toughest bar in the city and people don't do that.
DW>> We're scared, Jimbo. Really. Would I lie to you?
PS> It's another example of trying to intimidate us by showing how "big"
PS> he is. *I* can walk into the toughest bar in the city.
PS> Everyone I know could walk into the toughest bar in the city (Walking
PS> *out* may be a slightly different affair, but I don't go looking for
PS> fights the way Jimmy seems to).
I've been in bars where Jimmy's looks alone would get him an ass-kicking.
I've been in other bars where the only way Jimmy would get out is in a body-bag.
I guess Grand Rapids (or wherever the fuck he lives) doesn't have that many
really rough places.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:53:04
EID:bf6f 204116a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31102b42
29 Jan 96 16:41, Damien Wellman wrote to Sue Alexander:
DH>> Scot, I'm surprised at you! If Staalie wants to embrace Christian
DH>> it's no one's business but their own. As long as they take
DH>> pictures and post GIFs.
SA>> Yeah, but Jim has said that he got rid of his milkcrates. Who is
SA>> going to provide one for him and his...hmmmmmmm....friend.
DW> Don't you mean, "firend"?
Staal, Christian, and a milkcrate. Gives a whole new meaning to the term
"stump-breaking", doesn't it?
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:20:55
EID:6ff2 20416a80
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 311142e5
REPLY: 1:157/200 3f1204bf
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Kevin were killing time yakking about Coincidence seven:
LB> DW> No matter how you squirm around, that omnipotence concept nails
LB> DW> your ass every time.
LB>
LB>As you may have noticed, I don't toss "omnipotence" around lightly.
LB>you But can explain to me why you think being able to do something
LB>you somehow compells to do it? Particularly if you are insightful
LB>enough to see the long term liabilities as opposed to the short term
LB>benefits? Have you ever opted not to do something you were capable
LB>of doing?
KDM> Yes, but we aren't talking about homework, or working, or something
KDM> that really isn't harmful.
Hey, from where I sit, my children's homework IS important -- and if the
kid
I was talking about voluntarily goofs up on it, it could have very longlasting
and painful consequences -- at this point, barring a conscious decision
on
her part to throw it away, she's looking at being able to get an academic
scholarship to the college of her choice. She's currently sitting at the
top
1% in the country.
KDM> We're talking about child abuse, or murder,
KDM> or starvation, or war, or something similar.
With the occasional exception of starvation (which is sometimes just the
natural side effect of weather) all of those are humans victimizing humans.
God HAS done something about it. Of course I do something about my children
choosing to victimizing one another -- I ban it, and if and when it happens,
I punish the offense. But wouldn't it be child abuse on my part if I were
to
take steps that would ENSURE it could never happen -- like keeping them
locked
up in their rooms around the clock, or keeping them all on leashes out of
reach of one another, or drugging them to the point of fluffyheaded
senselessness? Because, essential, the only steps I can conceive of
God using that would out and out guarantee no human to human abuse involve
the same sort of pre-emptive imprisonment.
KDM> If your child has a problem she can't solve, isn't it appropriate for
KDM> you to step in and help?
Of course. But there's a difference between assisting them in solving their
problems, and taking over and doing it for them -- which results in their
being
equally helpless when it comes time to solve the next problem. Seriously,
Kevin -- what would you think about someone your age who'd had every problem
solved by their parents and teachers, and had never learned to do anything
but run to someone else for rescuing? What would you honestly think of
the
adults that had allowed that to happen? And would you want to be around
the
first time that person had a problem and YOU were the one they wanted to
fix
it for them?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "The maid has the night off," said Tom helplessly.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: flood
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:39:14
EID:caf1 20416ce0
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Andrew and Luke were killing time yakking about flood:
DC> He asked you for evidence. Got any?
AM> Christ who said "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like
AM> the days of Noah. For as in those days they were eating and drinking,
AM> marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark,
AM> and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all
AM> away; so will the coming of the Son of man be."
LC>
LC> Thank you Andrew, thank you so much! Jesus mentioned the flood
LC> as happening and since we know that the flood DIDN'T happen, he's
LC> either wrong or a liar, and therefore can't be god!
LC> With that little verse, you've single-handedly destroyed the New
LC> Testament. Aren't you proud.
Not quite --- Jesus mentioning the flood is absolutely NO evidence of the
flood being literal fact, nor is it evidence of his lying about it. He
was,
if you'll notice, given to parable. He understood the idea of using fictional
anecdotes to make a point, and there's no reason to assume he'd be less
likely
to use an old tale as he would a new one he just made up, like The Good
Samaritan or the Prodigal Son. No destruction of the NT, or the OT for
that
matter -- simply a destruction of trying to read it as literal documentation.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: FOF=child abuse
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:44:01
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Richard and Luke were killing time yakking about FOF=child abuse:
RM> are to be treated. It's obvious you think that they abuse
RM> children by your initial comments however I would like to
RM> see you quote their material that gives that thought.
LC> Of course they abuse children.They're Christian!
Excuse me?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: All
|Sub: One God Steve
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:00:50
EID:143c 20416000
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6175be63
BJ> Steve are you saying that you believe in some other God
BJ> other then Jesus? Or don't you believe in any God Steve?
GOD STEVE!
Steve Rose has been elevated to God status.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Walter Bartoo
|To: All
|Sub: Korntron takes a pee.
|Date: 30 Jan 96 13:17:00
EID:769c 203e6a20
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* Original To : ALL, 1:30873/2
* Original From: Walter Bartoo, 1:3666/402@fidonet.org
* Original Area: I_UFO
* Original Date: Jan 30 13:17
* Forwarded on by J.J. Hitt of 1:106/9788.2
Hi All: What an exicting awakening. Boy have I learned! My first visit
to the Docters was met with a speel I'm here to improve the quality of life
the Docter said. I thought hum this guy might be alright! He diagnosed an
extremely swollen prostrate. We concurred! He proceeded to prescribe a blood
pressure medicine to reduce swelling and a antibiotic to subdue the infection
and inflamation of the urinary track.. I left feeling I had finally found
a REAL docter. Understand now this condition had gone on in the past undiagnosed
for a very long time and re-occurred as discomfort and some urine flow blockage
over the years coming that was and going.
The medicine worked! My flow was what I had not seen in years. I felt twenty
years younger. But the erritation did not completely go away from the antibiotic.
The a month later the swelling re-occured and I was back for a repeat visit.
Heart Blood medicine was re-prescribed along with a different antibiotic.
The swelling left again. The duration of medicine for infection was taken.
A slight erritation persisted afterward.
The swelling finally did not re-occur, along with the erritation did. Back
I went back, same heart medicationm, new attibiotic with a caution I might
have a Tumer.
I thought maybe as my father had polups that blocked his Bladder that over
the years he had operated on by scoping his track into the bladder and byopsing
and removing the growths that turned out to be benign. I thought this diagnosis
was in the field of my possibility.
I began to feel the Doctor was not open to my body being my own. But was
there to move me through as quickly as possible to get me out. After the
last bout he suggested I see a Urinologist buddy, with the warning do not
speak to him as you do me. I was confused as I felt patient to doctor discussion
was important. I never went back, but the burning was getting acute. So
as an additional precaution the last time he gave a prescription for yeast
infection as antibiotics can cause this condition.
After getting the brush off calling his office for the burning sensation
I felt his whole trip was MONEY. I had a dental appointment. I was getting
my lost teeth replaced with a plate and I needed impressions taken. While
in town my guides were as usual bending my mind with their chatter. They
said your PH is out of wack, the erritation was due to this imbalanced.
I said ok now what? Go to the Health food store see _____, I did! Shes
an older lady my age in her fifties, an old hippy type, grin. Now I'd spent
hundreds on the docter, and on medication, please keep this in mind. I told
her my story and she patiently listened, along with my immediate symptoms.
She said I understand. You need a South American Tea for your urinary track
and you need replace the dead bacteria the good stuff with another pill.
I bought the things she told me still skeptical of her and my guides recomendation.
When I got home I took two of the pills and brewed up the Tea. Drank the
first cup sat back and later that night brewed another cup, drank it and
was already feeling relief. I was flabbergasted!! I awoke this morning and
had a very normal bowell movement that was not normal for weeks. On top
of the the irritation was gone I had for years in my urinary track!!! The
total bill for these things was under twenty bucks! I can only say I now
Am more awake then yesterday and will continue to explore alternate cures
versus the AMA money machine out there.
Because of my experience and Judi's desire to get the best alternative methods
to survive the times ahead out to our readership in the newsletter I'm adding
a new section on home remedies and health care! I'm beginning to understand
everything going on with me and why I needed to look at this and take everything
in this area more seriously, the only way this could or would occur in my
time schedule was for me to get sick.. THANK YOU GUIDES I now understand!
Many will now benifit from your guidence and help! The Bible Says give a
Man\Women HERBS if they are weak or sick.
I've already taken two of the Hypo-Allergenic pills Power-Dophilus in it's
Highest Potency Multiple Strain Acidophilus Complex, and I'm sipping Tea
from the PAU D'ARCO Tree of South America, and I feel great!! So if you
are taking antibiotics, you might try Power-Dophilus to regain a normal
body Ph
after the fact, and Pau D'arco medicinal herbal remedy if you have had my
condition. You just might be surprised at the results. I was, A BIG Grin!
Dying what's that!
Regards In Love Kortron.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:38:11
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JH>> Do you realize you just posted something like 50 messages
JH>> in a row to Staal? That's got to be the electronic
JH>> equivalent of spending a couple of hours with him.
JH>>
JH>> Don't you feel ... "unclean" ?
LB> You're not going to make her go sit out in a toolshed for a
LB> week, are you?
This is no laughing matter. We're talking about one badass case of
Staal Cooties here.
I'd recommend several hours under a germicidal lamp, followed by
a peroxide scrub and sandblasting with a very fine (triple 0 or
better) grit.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Aaron Boyden
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:09:00
EID:10ce aa0ae8d0
MSGID: 1:206/2720 100c0552
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10f754b2
PID: FM 2.2c.mL OC0000B3
> We [the western world] created more than half of the
> problems in Africa. First through colonization,
> second by sending them a bunch of food. By sending
> them free handouts we create an artificial situation
> over there. The population increases because of the
> influx of food and then we end up sending even more
> food.
> The correct and pragmatic response to the situation
> would be to not send them any food. That way their
> population levels would drop to a level at which they
> could feed themselves off of the land that they have.
Brutal and unnecessary. The most vicious thing we do to the third world
is indeed related to the free handouts, but it isn't allowing third world
populations to grow unchecked. The handouts are more to subsidize Western
farmers than to help poor Africans. It's our trade policies, which hinder
third world exports and thus deprive them of the cash they need to finance
development, which really hurt the third world. More developed countries
seem to inevitably have lower birthrates, so population problems would be
a non-issue if third world development weren't so painfully slow to non-existent.
--- TosScan(q) 1.00
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 16:06:59
EID:10e5 203f80c0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616acf93
REPLY: 1:271/460 310e8481
KM> Where's the book that states that the tooth fairy does exist?
It can be found in a few diaries. Why do you doubt the existance of the
tooth fairy?
KM> Where is the workings of the tooth fairy? All the workings of the
Surely you know that the tooth fairy leaves money under the pillows of children
who have lost teeth. Have you no faith in this. Do you not believe? Why
do you doubt the existance of the tooth fairy?
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 31 Jan 96 16:56:34
EID:44b1 203f8700
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616b4197
REPLY: 1:207/212 283e4135
KW>> type. For a triple bypass, the surgeon will want to have six
KW>> pints of whole blood, and four pints of fresh, frozen
KW>> plasma crossmatched and on hand.
KD> They're also letting people donate their own blood ahead of time
KD> for planned elective or non critical surgery.
While we do it, most of the surgeons don't even crossmatch them any more.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:30:33
EID:552d 203f93c0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616c1eff
AS> Excellent. Where shall we begin? Ahhhh, let's try this. The
AS> neutron outweighs the proton by a mere tenth of a percent.
AS> They are both made up of quarks. There seems no obvious
AS> reason why it should be the neutron that outweighs it by
YAWN......
We've been through this so many times before. The fact that the universe
formed and supports life in no way indicates design. You must show the
designer.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:32:57
EID:8761 203f9400
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616c2395
REPLY: 1:330/204@fidonet.org 2c888baf
SM> HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER. I
SM> DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE
SM> APPRECIATED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
Your god will smite you if you don't turn the caps key off. Although he
likely won't anyway as he doesn't exist.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 31 Jan 96 18:49:14
EID:0e92 203f9620
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 616c4bc8
JB> Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
I was in Amsterdam some years ago and offered a glass of this stuff. I
don't think that I ever put anything in my mouth before or since that was
as bad as that. If Torquemada was alive, it would be in his shop of horrors.
--- msgedsq 2.1
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Violating physics -- use a condom.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 15:28:35
EID:a68d 20417b80
MSGID: 1:100/435.1 a9d4eaa2
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e0a10d1
On 28 Jan 96, Fredric Rice wrote:
HP> claim that the phenomenon you term "non-locality" hides gods in it?
jb> You claimed I "don't understand" _physics_, Hector, and that
jb> was obviously the claim I asked you to support. Nothing you
jb> said addressed that.
FR> Your own words evidence your lack of knowledge in reguards even the
FR> simplest of physics, John. You're searching vainly for deities in
(etcetcetc)
A more unperceptive and incorrect prejudicial assessment would be hard
to imagine.
JB : jbrawley@toadnet.org [or] jbrawley@cheswicks.toadnet.org
: john.brawley@p1.f9.n8012.z86.toadnet.org
: jbrawley@slacc.com FidoNet: 1:100/435.1
... Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in. (Thoreau)
--- PPoint 1.96
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 01 Feb 96 15:30:37
EID:e3a3 20417bc0
MSGID: 1:100/435.1 2634cc8e
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 310fcd1c
On 31 Jan 96, Don Martin wrote:
DM> Oh shit. Another John Brawley clone. Bore us to bits
DM> citing various physical constants and then exclaim "All of
DM> these would not be the way they are without having been
DM> created to be so--they are just too niftygalifty to be
DM> otherwise!" The best you can do with this direction is to
Interesting that you claim I've done something in here I've never done.
All your arguments that ill-gotten?
DM> Yawn.
Oh... You're _asleep_.... That accounts for it. Sorry to bother you.
Don't let the bad-bugs bite....
JB : jbrawley@toadnet.org [or] jbrawley@cheswicks.toadnet.org
: john.brawley@p1.f9.n8012.z86.toadnet.org
: jbrawley@slacc.com FidoNet: 1:100/435.1
... When all think alike, then no one is thinking.
--- PPoint 1.96
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:43:47
EID:7d99 20410d60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a0e
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to David Worrell <=-
DW> Since all Satanists I've seen are remarkably similar to you, I can't
DW> really be blamed for picturing all Satanists as losers.
JB> Under the Pascal's Wager syndrome of CYA, I am lighting 7 black
JB> candles for the Staal Collection. Last time I did that, the guy I did
JB> it for died. Here's hoping for coincidence to strike again.
I would hope that you would have enough sense not to burn seven
candles for each Staal persona...it would burn down the state! ;)
Sue
... -1 Kelvin is just too cool.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:52:23
EID:3930 20410e80
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a0f
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 310ca435
-=> Quoting Gwenny the Pooh to Boni Hitch <=-
SS>> Yeah, but you tend to pick and choose in typical salad bar fashion.
SS>> Why don't all christians handle snakes and drink poison, Jim?
BH> THis'll break Jim's heart, Some Native tribes have rituals like that
and
BH> the people LIVE!
GtP> Even worse, snake handling was also practiced by many primitive
GtP> goddess worshippers. Ya see, if you survive, any subsequence bites
GtP> are like a drug. It makes you see visions. Dozens of
GtP> cultures...including Crete (remember the cute bare-breasted goddess
GtP> holding the snakes)...revered snakes.
I would also suspect that subsequent bites would be much less likely
to kill the person, as antibodies would be formed. Kind of kills the
idea that "God" saves'em...;)
Sue
... Chocolate = Heaven. Fudge = God.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colonic brother
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:01:32
EID:7e78 20411020
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a10
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310cdb98
-=> Quoting Lump to Steve Rose <=-
Lu> movie...I remember when Duvall said, when he was in his cubby as
Lu> Sheen was coming to kill him....
JS> Uh...(psst...come closer...) that was Marlon Brando Sheen
JS> was coming to kill. Duvall uttered his famous 'napalm' lines
SR> Now, if you were only strong enough to level with LUMPY about those
SR> cartoon myth-gawds he is stuck believing in...we could really call you
SR> compassionate.
Lu> Na, I still believe in God no matter what you try to convince me
Lu> of....even more when you do try to convert me....
This sounds like the attitude of a rebellious kid to me. A really
great example of non-thinking Christian values...:(
Sue
... Anyone can make a mistake, A fool insists on repeating it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:09:09
EID:33f7 20411120
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a11
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310cdb99
-=> Quoting Lump to Jim Staal <=-
JS> There, there, Lump...Jimmy loves you non-the-less. We'll ride this
JS> one out...together.
Lu> Yeah,there is always a heckler about, when you or I make an
Lu> error.I guess they just try to find what ever they can to
Lu> criticize us, they must be jealous 'cause we have a destiny in
Lu> life and after life.....and all they have is here and hell....
But...but...you make it so EASY to heckle you, what with the
multiple aliases and all. One can get confused as to which Staal is
talking. Which one is this, anyway?? ;)
Sue
... I'm going to hell? Well, Haw-ley-lew-yah and pass the marshmallows!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:32:55
EID:654a 20411400
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a12
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310cdb9a
-=> Quoting Lump to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Just ignore the nasty MISTER Rowze and he'll go the way of all
JS> rudzinskis...
Lu> ...which way is that....the abyss?
Nah, the abyss is too full of Staal aliases....
Sue
... "You live and learn, or you don't live long." - Lazarus Long
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:35:10
EID:654a 20411460
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a13
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Who could't get the dictionary this time?
-=> Quoting Lump to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> "The horror...the horror..." It only took how many of us to tell
SQ> him he was wrong to finally get it into his head?
JS> Nah...he just needed to have older, wiser bro gently take him aside
JS> and instruct him in the truth...you catch more flies with honey than
JS> with vinegar and you get more out of Lump when you pull his finger than
JS> when you treat him in a rude, cutting manner.
Lu> ...Ohh please let me pull my finger on all the little Stevos and
Lu> deficate them into fantasia....
"deficate"???????? What the hell is "deficate"? If taking a shit
is what is meant, the word is defecate. The statement as a whole does
not make much sense, however, so I am not sure of whether that is the
word or not.
From this incoherency, I really have to wonder if the Staal
contigent got drugs...just ones of the wrong legal status.
Sue
... I respectfully submit that you are replete with feces.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R You
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:43:29
EID:9a0b 20411560
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a14
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Karl Schneider <=-
JS>Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
JS> b. miracles
KS> Of which (a) is stupid and (b) nonexistent.
JS> I give you this: without (a), (b) _is_ nonexistant
Your problem is that there is no evidence that (a) would make one
iota of difference either way for (b) or anything else for that matter.
Sue
... AH, no you didn't, you came here for an *argument*!
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 01 Feb 96 02:59:02
EID:02af 20411760
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a15
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310cebc6
-=> Quoting JIm Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
KDM> So we're the enemy, are we? Paranoia is beginning to set in, I
KDM> see.
JS> Do not confuse clear identification with paranoia, Kevin.
Considering all of your aliases, I am not convinced that you would
know a clear identification if it trounced out of your computer screen.
Sue
... Mole problems? Call Avagadro: 602-1023
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 03:01:53
EID:d47b 20411820
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a16
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Karl Schneider <=-
JS> (Mark 14:63 NIV) The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need
JS> any more witnesses?" he asked.
JS> (Mark 14:64 NIV) "You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?"
JS> They all condemned him as worthy of death.
JS> Any Romans mentioned here, Karl?
And yet it goes on to state that Jesus was turned over to Pilate,
who ordered the execution on the will of the people...
Sue
... I came, I saw, got sidetracked, forgot why I was here ..
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Dan's in...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 03:05:00
EID:b816 204118a0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a17
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310cebc7
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Norbert Sykes <=-
}:> An lo, Jim did give unto Dan a parable on Dan's inellect... <:(
JS> Ahh...makes you proud, doesn't it, Dan? You are one bright boy. you
JS> can't even spell your expletives properly...
NS> Oh really? BTW, how do _you_ spell intellect?
JS> Yeah...wretched keyboard...only three months old and yet already has
JS> stichy keys .
You really should not be getting sticky stuff on your hands while
you are typing, then. The keyboards tend to last longer that way.
Sue
... For every credibility gap there is a gullibility fill!
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Fun-dee in Church...where else???
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:56:25
EID:6ed1 20416700
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a18
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-=> Quoting J.J. Hitt to Sue Alexander <=-
JH> Do you realize you just posted something like 50 messages in
JH> a row to Staal? That's got to be the electronic equivalent of
JH> spending a couple of hours with him.
Hmmm...do you think he will notice? ;)
JH> Don't you feel ... "unclean" ?
I have a handy-dandy box of vinyl gloves for things like this.
Sue
... "Amazing what caffeine and no sense of self-preservation can do..."
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lump shows his colon...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:01:33
EID:ff47 20416820
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a19
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
Lu> Yeah,there is always a heckler about,
JS> 'A' heckler!? You say 'A', as in singular!? That garnered more mail
JS> that the right honorable Judge Gherke. Now there's a man who can
JS> stand the gaff!
What you fail to realize is that there has to be some redundancy in
the system to make sure the job gets done, especially if Fido keeps
eating the occasional sacrificial message. We would not want you to feel
lonely, now, would we?
Sue
... We are the Borgs who say NI! Prepare to assimilate...A SHRUBBERY!
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lump shows his colon
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:04:15
EID:d976 20416880
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a1a
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lump <=-
JS> Just ignore the nasty MISTER Rowze and he'll go the way of all
JS> rudzinskis...
Lu> ...which way is that....the abyss?
JS> And people actually have the gall to say you're stupid!
If you guy(s) keep writing with that syntax, we will continue to
say that. There has been no strong indication we are wrong.
Sue
... I see that your lobotomy was a success.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: promise keepers
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:07:09
EID:ac28 204168e0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a1b
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-=> Quoting JIm Staal to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
JS> Promise Keepers is an organization for and of men designed to help
JS> men become more spiritually awakened, to help them be more
JS> attentive to the needs of their family, to honor, respect and love
JS> their wives and to relate more fully to God, themselves and their
JS> fellow man - all through the grace and knowlege of their Lord and
JS> Saviour, Jesus Christ.
GtP> He neglected that part about "reclaiming their rightful place as
GtP> head of the household"
JS> Wasn't aware of that part...
GtP> which involves "freeing" their wives from any dirty nasty feminist
GtP> ideas about women having rights.
JS> Hmmm...or that part...
Kind of premature, then, for you to claim yourself as one of them,
then, isn't it?
Sue
... Quick! Close your mind! Something blasphemous might get in.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Technology is evil! EVIL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:09:11
EID:e0c8 20416920
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a1c
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-=> Quoting JIm Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
PS>Stupid question: I've quoted Staal as saying that he does his little
PS>"call me a thief and I'll act like one" act selectively. He says that
PS>he never said that.
JS> Those were your terms, not mine...
Do you agree that you said something that could have been
interpreted by Preston that way??
Sue
... "Are you sure you're sanity chip is fully in?" -- Kryten
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HA!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:11:43
EID:3efc 20416960
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a1d
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
TT> Unless you name is Rice in which case you have the right to alter
TT> posts to your heart's content without any measure of censure taken
TT> against you.
DW> Fred has *never* modified your *posts*, Jimbo.
JS> Perhaps, but he has modified Lump's to make them appear as though I
JS> had posted them.
I have not seen any *posts* modified by Fredric either...what was
said was quoted without change.
Sue
... "Some of us live in perpetual 20-20 chaos." -Opus, Bloom County
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Michael...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:15:51
EID:0f29 204169e0
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
RV>Mike wants to control any womens body , from that stance to
RV>control/killing off a human is no great step.
KW> Mike is uneasy about his stances, and seems to feel caught between a
KW> hard place and a rock. I think that he takes the route that
KW> he finds the least bit less uncomfortable.
JS> I disagree. I have seen Michael (especially of late) standing firm
JS> on important issues...and in a manner that is straight forward and
JS> honest, while not being offensively blunt as I allegedly have been.
The problem that is seen is that Michael can see a place for
abortion under some highly ruled circumstances while maintaining that is
"killing a child". This sends highly mixed messages as to his ease with
the stance he has taken.
Sue
... "Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?"
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:22:11
EID:989c 20416ac0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a1f
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 90129015
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Dan Ceppa <=-
CM> same. Therefore, you need to convince me that God does not exist.
CM> (Since you apparently don't want me to believe that He does.
DC> Do yourself a favor and provide evidence that that god of
DC> yours does exist.
CM> How would that be doing _me_ a favor? I believe that would be
CM> helping you out, more than I.
Do you even have any evidence? It would help your credulity here if
you could post it so that it could be examined, and perhaps it might even
make some converts amongst the heathen population. Converts would be
good on your record, would they not??
Sue
... A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:25:33
EID:644a 20416b20
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a20
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 90148238
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
Gt> that that Noah would have had to lay in another herd beast per week
Gt> per pair of predator.....let's see, say there were twelve different
CM> Gee, have you never fasted?
Gee, have you ever considered what hungry predators could do to the
surrounding animals? Christian, these are animals that work mostly on
instinct, and instinct tells one that to eat when the body is hungry.
How do you suppose that predators with a number of fair prey around
could be convinced to fast?
Sue
... I see your foot and your mouth have been introduced.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:29:09
EID:989c 20416ba0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a21
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 90148348
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Sue Alexander <=-
CM> There was a point in time when I didn't believe in Christ, or God.
CM> My best friend was an atheist, and didn't believe either. THEN I
CM> started thinking.
SA> Were you raised in a household that believed in God? When you
CM> Yes. My parents & grandparents (on both sides) were Roman
CM> Catholics. My great-grandmother was a Baptist.
Then you were acquainted with Christ from early childhood, and saw
how your parents dealt with problems by what they saw as Christ's help.
This does not do much for your testimony here, Christian.
SA> started thinking, had you just acquired a new friend or 2? Had you
CM> From 2nd grade to 7th grade I attended Roman Catholic School. From
CM> 7th grade on up, it was the public school system.
(WHOOM)...I do believe that was a fly-by. You did not answer my
question. Would you care to try again?
SA> There are many deities that people worship out there, Christian.
CM> But there is only ONE TRUE GOD.
That is what believers of other monotheistic religions say as well,
but lo and behold, their god ids not the same as your god. How do you
know that you are worshiping the "ONE TRUE GOD"?
SA> how do you *REALLY* know that it is your God that is out there
SA> making it happen? It could be Zeus, Odin, Gaia, or any of a number
SA> of other deities, and if so they are probably pissed at you for not
SA> worshipping them.
CM> I don't see any "Zeus, Odin, or Gaia" Bibles out there.
So a religion needs a book saying it is true to be a true religion?
Yeah, right.
Sue
... I'm having a hard time swallowing this. Can I have a dogma bag?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:37:28
EID:644a 20416ca0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a22
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9014dc6f
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Dan Ceppa <=-
DC> Now, do explain why no dinosaurs were placed on your silly little
DC> mythical boat.
CM> Duh! Maybe they were too big... Please! Arguing over what did and
CM> did not fit in the Ark is idiotic. Get a real life.
But Noah was commanded to take at least pairs of ALL the different
kinds of animals, and God gave him instructions on how big of an ark to
build. Did God make a mistake and tell Noah the wrong dimensions (making
it too small), or did God just want to wipe out a few thousand species by
saying "Sorry, there is no room on the boat today...tough luck!"?
Sue
... You can't be a figment of my imagination--I'd have done a better job.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:47:25
EID:b456 20416de0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 31112a23
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901b16e9
-=> Quoting Christian Miller to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
KW> Who gets that money you put in the plate every sunday? Don't try to
CM> *I DON'T* put money in any plate. Thank you very much. You're
CM> debunked!
Nah, he just gets it taken out as a deduction from whatever
paycheck he might get. That way, he is sure to tithe properly...
Sue
... I'm not stupid, I'm not expendable, and I'm not going.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Buttpimple satanist on co
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:04:02
EID:aa35 203f9880
MSGID: 1:157/200 411201ac
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to RYAN SHAW:
JH> A>> I can either phuck you up real good, or if you make a clear
JH> A>> apology, posted to all, I will forgive you. I am not
JH> A>> wussing-out [...]
JH>
JH> RS> Shut the fuck up, or put up. You've put it off long
JH> RS> enough. While you're at it, curse me too.
JH>
JH>
JH> Shhhh... if the demand for his curses gets any greater he's
JH> going to start charging for them.
Oh, I don't know. I'd pay for entertainment like this.
... Duplicate message? Blame the Fidonet white hole!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Hurry! hurry!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:36:03
EID:2cf2 203f9c80
MSGID: 1:157/200 411201bd
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ROB BURCHAM spoke thusly to ASMODEUS :
RB>A> Anyway, do that, or tell me wha
RB>A> you would like. I can send out a great negativity which could
RB>A> cause random results, but I do not wish to cause you excruciating
RB>harm, merely to show yo
RB>A> what I could do, if that is what you wish. So, tell me what your
RB>A> desire is, and I'll give it to you.
RB>
RB>Should J.J. place his hand on the monitor to receive the
RB>full effect?
No, I think he'll need to place his head through the monitor.
... Penny for your thoughts . . . Hey! I deserve change!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim staal
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:42:04
EID:2814 203f9d40
MSGID: 1:157/200 411201ce
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
STYX ALLUM spoke thusly to ROBERT BERNDT:
SA> > GTP> Remember -- Rome was Christian when it fell.
SA>
SA> > And America was Christian when it rose.
SA>
SA>BZZZZZZT! Were you sleeping through your history classes?
SA>
SA>The pilgrims that founded this nation were fleeing FROM
SA>religious persecution - not fleeing WITH it.
Of course, once they got here, they started persecuting all the other
religions.
... Diplomacy : saying "nice doggie" until you can find a large club.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: More dan a. post
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:51:05
EID:cf6f 203f9e60
MSGID: 1:157/200 411201df
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to RYAN SHAW:
JH> RS> It's the telepathic shadow government that you have to watch out
JH> RS> for. They are overtly connected to the twelve Jewish bankers
JH> RS> that live in a cave in Iceland. They pull the strings and
JH> RS> instruc the telepathic shadow government to implant thoughts
JH> RS> within us. The problem is, we don't realize it...not yet at
JH> RS> least.
JH>
JH> I realize it!
JH>
JH> I got this nifty hematite encrusted toaster when I opened my
JH> account with First International Jewish Bankers Savings and Loan.
How many ATM cards did they give you? I got 5.
... Profanity is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate bastards.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Mr. miller...problem?
|Date: 31 Jan 96 19:52:06
EID:b564 203f9e80
MSGID: 1:157/200 411201f0
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JIM STAAL spoke thusly to SCOT BEAR:
JS> SB>
JS> SB> The *mere* fact that they *EXIST* on a [so-called] christian's
JS> SB> BBS is evidence that he's neither good, nor christian...
JS>
JS>Hmmm..._good_ men never get caught up in kinky sex?
Not adultery, no.
... Some people could be brain-washed with an eye-dropper!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Star detracktor
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:05:07
EID:366d 203fa0a0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120201
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
DAVID WORRELL spoke thusly to GWENNY THE:
DW> GP> Ever notice that she never wore a bra??
DW>
DW>Who, me? What makes you think I'd be that crass?
DW>
DW>I've also noticed that Starfleet seems to have a breast size
DW>requirement. I can't remember *ever* seeing a woman who could be
DW>called flat-chested on any of the episodes.
Of course not. And don't forget Troi's uniform for the first . . .
seven seasons, I think it was.
... FIDO lie #XII Netmail is highly PRIVATE and sysops don't read them.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Talking critters
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:07:08
EID:b59d 203fa0e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120212
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
GWENNY THE spoke thusly to BONI HITCH:
GT>Not only that, but half the reason they had to come here in the first
GT>place was that they had trashed their own land and it couldn't
GT>support it's population anymore. Seems like "technologically
GT>advanced" goes hand in hand with "planet murderer".
Corn flakes, m'dear.
... Advanced magic is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The ultimate shit list -
|Date: 31 Jan 96 20:12:09
EID:17be 203fa180
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120223
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ZAYD ALLEBBAN spoke thusly to JIM STAAL:
ZA>-> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet.
ZA>-> Some day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along
ZA>-> side the head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.)
ZA>-> he may learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he
ZA>-> wallows in the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
ZA>
ZA>Thanks for the tip, Jim. You seem like the only decent one left...
ZA>
ZA>Hopefully WE can got into some religious discussions.
ZA>
ZA>Oh yeah... Just to make sure... Are you Christian? If not, what are
ZA>you?
This is *rich*. Hmmmm . . . Jim would make a good Muslim, though.
... "I'm too upset to even swear." - Super Dave Osborne
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:29:10
EID:bbcb 203faba0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120234
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
PRESTON SIMPSON spoke thusly to JIM STAAL:
PS>Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Staal shows his
PS>colon"
PS> ML> Get it right, for the first time in your fetid little
PS> ML> trischizophrenic life.
PS>
PS> JS> OK. ENOUGH _IS_ INDEED ENOUGH! LUMP IS NO ENGLISH MAJOR, YOU ONE
PS> JS> ARMED PAPER HANGING TWIT! _I_ WAS THE ENGLISH MAJOR! Give it a
PS> JS> rest, already, will ya?
PS>
PS> This is the most "Christian" thing I've seen you write in
PS>weeks. Did Jesus ever talk to people like that over such trifles?
PS>
Ever heard Dennis Leary's version of what would have happened if Jesus
hadn't been crucicifed?
... "Hi, I'm a tagline virus. Please copy me!"
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Al
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:31:11
EID:c598 204103e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120245
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JUDITH BANDSMA spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JB> KDM> I'll e-mail him.
JB> KDM> I just got a reply from Barb.
JB>
JB>Thanks for doing that. I'm now getting mail from him in 2-3 packets a
JB>week, but the volume is WAY off. Screwiest thing about this is that
JB>in packets that have no mail from Al, there is also NOTHING from
JB>Hector. Now, I have no doubt that these are 2 separate people. I've
JB>been seeing Hector for a lot longer than I have Al, for one thing. It
JB>is really good for a laugh, though, to think that their karma is so
JB>interlinked that even FIDO insists that the 2 of them be represented
JB>at the same time.
I know. sort of like Jesse and Curry.
JB>It was making for some very short mail packets until my twit filter
JB>crapped out...bringing in all of Staal's stuff again.
My condolences.
... "Please do not offer my god a peanut." --Apu Nakeemahasapetalan
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: churches
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:14:12
EID:3e87 204109c0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120256
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
PRESTON SIMPSON spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
PS> PS>It still makes me feel icky to think about it.
PS>
PS> KDM> Too true.
PS>
PS>It occurred to me today that St. Valentine's Day is an insidious plot
PS>to make single members of society feel so horrible about being single
PS>that they kill themselves. In the old days, when people might have
PS>still given at least lip service to choosing a mate with good genetic
PS>qualities, that may have served a purpose. But now, when the emphasis
PS>is so much more on looks than quality, it's become kind of an
PS>evolutionary nightmare.
Makes sense to me. I'd prefer intelligence over looks any day, though.
... "The Dread Pirate Roberts is here for your *souls*!" - Fezzig
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:23:13
EID:6074 20410ae0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120267
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANTHONY GRIGOR-SCOTT spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AG> AG>> Why would any American disbelieve in the Illuminati?
AG>
AG> KDM> I duuno, maybe because there was no Illuminati until the
AG> KDM> Illuminatus trilogy, perhaps?
AG>
AG>There was an Illuminati before there was a United States of America.
So I've been informed. My apologies.
AG> KDM> ... The Illuminati do not exist. Really. We're not kidding.
AG>
AG>Then neither does the USA exist.
What? What did the Illuminati have to do with the founding of the USA?
... "And to my cat Mittens I leave my entire, vast...BOOT TO THE HEAD!!"
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: yer momma sews socks
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:26:14
EID:2900 20410b40
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120278
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
PRESTON SIMPSON spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
PS> PS>needed it. Not as fancy as a 486DX2, maybe, but it'll do what I
PS> PS>want it to do.
PS>
PS> KDM> OTOH, that was how I got my Packard Hell; a mixed
PS> KDM> blessing, as it was.
PS>
PS>I've still got mine laying around, scavanged for spare parts but
PS>still largely functional.
Heh. I gave mine to my parents. Of course, this means I still have to
deal with the damned thing, as I'm the only person in my family who can
repair a computer.
... "I'm immortal...so far." - Earle Robinson
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:23:15
EID:aa77 204182e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 41120289
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
PRESTON SIMPSON spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
PS> PS>Better work fast.
PS>
PS> KDM> Not really. Just set a delayed timer on the bomb, or set it
PS> KDM> off remotely.
PS>
PS>But if it goes off too far back, then the efficiency won't be very
PS>good.
True. You could time it, though.
PS>I had an idea about another kind of drive. We all know that
PS>light sails run on light (obviously). What if one used a light sail
PS>twigged to the infrared spectrum and mounted a powerful infrared lamp
PS>on the vessel? Theoretically, if it was powerful enough, it might
PS>push the ship at speeds approaching c, but certainly not at
PS>lightspeed and definitely no faster.
Now there's an interesting idea. Hmmmm . . . I can think of a few
questions, though. First, where would you get the energy for the
drive? Secondly, I think that the acceleration would decrease as the
velocity increased. I don't know how quickly, though, so that may not
be a problem. And thirdly, you'd have to figure out a way to bleed off
the excess heat from your sail.
PS> KDM> Hmmmmm . . . you'd still need to place it a bit outside the
PS> KDM> square, but I think it would work.
PS>
PS>Possibly. But I wouldn't want to try it. Too much like being shot out
PS>of a cannon.
I'd agree. I wouldn't want to try it either.
PS> PS>Wouldn't antimatter be cleaner in a radioactive sense?
PS>
PS> KDM> Yes, it's just that it is possible to clean up radioactive
PS> KDM> materials, while antimatter is a whole different ball game.
PS> KDM> OTOH, antimatter is far more efficient than atomic bombs, and
PS> KDM> less jolting.
PS>True. The quantities of mass involved are much smaller, and although
PS>it would initially be *obscenely* expensive, the costs might level
PS>out as the technology progressed.
Yes. You'd have to manufacture all of the anti-matter on earth, but a
matter-anti-matter drive would be much more efficient (and, therefore
lighter) then any other type of drive.
... Your solution stinks. The problem is very interesting.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:24:16
EID:d412 20418300
MSGID: 1:157/200 4112029a
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JIM STAAL spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JS> JS>Thankyou for pointing out this (and the rest of your message) to
JS> JS>Michael. It is one thing to agree to disagree, but as I said to
JS> JS>Lynda, something totally different to ridicule one to the enemy
JS> JS>for it.
JS>
JS> KDM> So we're the enemy, are we? Paranoia is beginning to set in, I
JS>see.
JS>Do not confuse clear identification with paranoia, Kevin.
JS>
JS>Some time ago I went to see a fellow musician friend of mine playing
JS>at a local establishment (he had been on the road and was in town for
JS>a month). I sat in a bit and then he took me over to meet some folks
JS>seated at the bar. We went over to one woman, all dressed in black
JS>flowing garb of some sort with dark shades on as well, and introduced
JS>me as a good friend who used to play the bars, but now does Christian
JS>music. She took off her shades (Egad! Those eyes!) and said 'Oh, I
JS>see. So you're the enemy then.'
This may come as a shock to you, Jim, but there isn't a wide network of
heathens out here. She may consider you her enemy, but that doesn't
mean every pagan/atheist does. What happened to turning the other cheek
and loving your neighbor, BTW?
... What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away.
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:09:31
EID:282b 20418120
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901faa5e
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Steve Rose wrote:
DC> Do yourself a favor and provide evidence that that god of
DC> yours does exist.
CM> How would that be doing _me_ a favor?
SR> Because it would force you to see that there is nothing actually
SR> there. No gawds at all. Then reality can finally enter the
SR> picture...even for you.
I would like to have a picture of you. This way, when the rapture is
upon us, I know who to look at and say, "I told you so."
Christian ;)
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Re: About ME!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:13:57
EID:0518 204181a0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901fab14
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Ryan Shaw wrote:
CM> Here I thought no one loved me anymore! You guys are just talking
CM> ABOUT me instead of TO me. Gee, I get left out of my own
CM> conversations!!!
RS> I thought you were leaving.
That's no excuse. You think there's no God, too. Right? :)
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:14:53
EID:b690 204181c0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901fab42
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> Properly speaking, it was you putting your foot into your mouth.
PS> Typing "are alive" when you tried to type "have souls" isn't a typo,
PS> it's just a fuck up.
Same difference.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:15:49
EID:b037 204181e0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901fab70
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> It's like this: If your Judgment Day ever *does* roll around, then
PS> God will call you to task for not getting off your lazy ass and doing
PS> a better job of preaching to us, rather than being a pompous ass who
PS> runs his god's name through the mud.
Gee thanks. I'm glad you seem to know so much about Judgement Day. At
least I'm doing SOMETHING. At least I didn't denounce Him when bad
things happened to me.
Christian
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Ark kinda stuff
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:17:57
EID:52a5 20418220
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901fabcb
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
CM> Gee, have you never fasted?
PS> For over 150 days? That would kill most animals.
Again, you're going by how things are now. Back then, humans lived well
over 100 years.
Christian
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Comming Attractions: The End of Life As We Know It!
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:20:41
EID:8d32 20418280
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901fac53
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> Yeah, just like the Midianite kids that he ordered slain, and all the
PS> little kids who bought it in the flood. What did they do that was
PS> worthy of death, Chuckles?
The same as the rest of the world at that time. Which is why God
cleansed the Earth in the first place. OK?
Christian :)
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Let the Word of God revive our dying land.
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|From: Christian Miller
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:22:06
EID:b037 204182c0
MSGID: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901facae
PID: RiBBS v2.10
On Wednesday, January 31st, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> First, one must have a mind to change. Since you lack that basic
PS> requirement, you are in no danger of having it changed.
Ok, thanks. Gee that's like the joke about the red head, blonde, and
brunette(sp?) waiting to have the sex of their kid checked out.
PS> I don't care *what* you believe as long as you don't force it on me
or
PS> anyone else, got it?
CM> Have I been?
PS> And who is it that's been telling people that their gods are not the
PS> One, True God and that the Bible is the One, True Word of God
PS> ?
That's my opinion Preston. Does it offend you so much when I state it,
that you think I'm trying to force it on you? Gee, it sounds like
you're feeling guilty about it for some unknown reason. (Oh yeah, you
did say what happened... then tried blaming it on me. Thats right...
never mind.)
Christian
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Times Change. God doesn't.
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: KEVIN D. MCKENZIE
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:48:00
EID:693a 20410600
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c78
TID: GE 1.2
KEVIN, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
KD>Ah, thank you. Yes, strike three against you.
Kevin
Get saved and quit trying to serve to masters.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: AARON BOYDEN
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:49:00
EID:d502 20410620
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c79
TID: GE 1.2
AARON, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
> According to one study the term "Jehovah" is
> considered a term with
> no origins.
AB>Ex nihilo creation of words? That's something I hadn't heard of before.
AB>It makes sense; the cosmological argument says that there has to be an
AB>uncaused cause, and that that cause is God. Those who advanced the
AB>argument must have simply made a trivial use/mention error, not realizin
AB>that it was the name of God, rather than the being they thought it named
AB>which was the uncaused cause.
Aaron
Ah.... Yeah... Right.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:51:00
EID:f1f5 20410660
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c7a
TID: GE 1.2
DAN, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
DC>Apparently, your brain is still stuck between neutral and reverse:
Dan
I knew it.. You can't read!
DC>Are you done evaluating it yet, dipshit?
Yeah.. and I've decided I don't need the extra options the author
suggest I pay for.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:53:00
EID:b8f3 204106a0
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c7b
TID: GE 1.2
GWENNY, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
GT> I just adore it when ya'll speak that Christian
GT>language of love.
Poothead
Like you're just bubbling over with it. HA!
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Homosexual need freed
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:56:00
EID:5a99 20410700
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c7c
TID: GE 1.2
GWENNY, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
LW> As I've told your other gang members, produce the documentation
LW> from the author of this "software" or find a new subject to discuss.
GT>As we've told YOUR other gang members, produce evidence of your mythgawd
GT>find a new subject to discuss.
Phoey-Poohey
He's not someone Who is produced by the way YOU think He should be.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: KAREN DAVIS
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:01:00
EID:7b7c 20410820
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c7d
TID: GE 1.2
KAREN, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
KD>This program is shareware. You may use this demo copy for 30 days, after
KD>that it must be registered. See the included regwr.wri for registration
KD>information. Registering entitles you to a fully operational version.
A
KD>key file will be mailed to you that turns on taglines, and removes the
KD>opening screen. Place this key file in the directory you store Wave
KD>Rider.exe.
karen
Sorry. Thats not what the author says in the opening screen.
Produce and exibit a copy of the "regwr.wri" here or drop the subject!
Then go and register your own shareware.
Les
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|From: LES WILCOX
|To: KAREN DAVIS
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:08:00
EID:381f 20410900
MSGID: 1:147/48 2ae17c7e
TID: GE 1.2
KAREN, in your letter to LES WILCOX, you wrote . . .
KD>Wave Rider- 1993, 1994 by Doug Crocker
KD>Introduction
KD>Wave Rider is a Microsoft Windows 3.1 based message reader for BlueWave
KD>message packets, as well as QWK packets created by Qmail, RAMail, MKQwk,
KD>MarkMail, Tomcat and other Qwk compatible mail doors. This reader needs
KD>.dll files unique to Windows 3.1 to run.
KD>Wave Rider is not guarenteed to work with versions of Windows prior to
KD>3.1, OS/2, or Microsoft NT. With reasonable care, Wave Rider should
be
KD>a well behaved WinApp.
KD>This program is shareware. You may use this demo copy for 30 days, after
KD>that it must be registered. See the included regwr.wri for registration
KD> ^^^^
KD>information. Registering entitles you to a fully operational version.
A
KD>key file will be mailed to you that turns on taglines, and removes the
KD>opening screen. Place this key file in the directory you store Wave
KD>Rider.exe.
Karen
I didn't ask you to make up your own version. It must be registered
if I want the fully operational version. I don't! ^^^^
Next time you invent your own files be sure to include something
like "you MUST discontinue using this version in 30 days!".
Les
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|From: Christopher Baker
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Re: Religious Experience
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:10:52
EID:6e1f 20410940
> If the politicos that you support were to attain
> unchecked power, this echo might cease to exist.
might? whadya mean, might? it would be one of the first to go.
those agnostics think you can extend that kind of fence-sitting outside
the realm of theism. [grin]
TTFN.
Chris
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|From: Christopher Baker
|To: Thomas Cameron
|Sub: Re: my vision
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:12:16
EID:0b90 20410980
> I had a dream. In it I saw three maids a milking and out of the goat
> a man with green hair and a zuchini up his nose said "Hear me boy, you
> are more beautiful than the three hairs on my cat." Can anyone
> understand the deep philisophical meaning of this dream?
yes, but if we explained it to you we'd have to kill you.
TTFN.
Chris
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 01 Feb 96 06:02:00
EID:a0b1 20413040
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Judith Bandsma <=-
KW> oldtimer management. They wanted to keep Sprizhead Sue at minimum
KW> wage, 20 hours, and no bennies. The best guess that I can make for
KW> this attitude is short sighted self interest. The big bosses that are
For all the abuses supposedly perpetrated by unions, they did work to keep
stuff like this from happening. And since Reagan started the union-busting,
it has escalated. At least they provided a check and balance system that
just isn't there anymore. It's the reason Leo lost his job in the first
place. The company closed the ONLY terminal that was not only in the black
but was actually turning a profit...JUST to get the union out. We are
headed back to the days of the industrial robber barons for whom the workers
are a disposable resource. Use them up and throw them out and who cares
about them anyway?
KW> reserve to fall back on. Bear's been putting in 60+ hour weeks because
KW> there are not enough staff members to go around, and it's not because
KW> of any nursing shortage. But at 5 understaffed 12 hour shifts a week
KW> he's getting tired. Too tired. The bull about PA's and NA's isn't
I know. My sister is a nurse in Pgh. Her hospital just 'reorganized' their
nursing staff. Bonnie had been working CCU for almost 15 years...one of
the best they have. They are now trusting more to machines, banks of
monitors with ONE nurse instead of the 5 they used to have. They moved
Bonnie to the cath lab. (Couldn't quite get rid of her due to her experience
and work record) As she says, it's a pissy job, but at least I'm still
working.
KW> professional rivalry, either. There are a hell of a lot of things
KW> that only LVN's (LPN) or RN's can do, and even more things that only
KW> the RN can do. When you add into that the hospital corp.'s tendency
to
Yep. Bonnie even has the credentials (I forget what the certification is
called) for dispensing meds without a doctor's order...and can start an
IV without half killing the patient. And there hasn't been a year when
she hasn't taken extra courses...a lot of them at her own expense.
KW> replacement), the whole thing is a series of tragedies waiting to
KW> happen.
My husband wonders why I am reluctant to go to a doctor. He still equates
the medical care system in Holland with the one here.
KW> Oh, yeah, the paychecks are wonderful. :\ Bear is exhausted. And he
KW> might as well be in another state for all that I see of him. Charge
Leo IS in another state. The biggest thing I worry about is when he comes
home. The last time he had worked from 8:30 in the morning to 9pm and then
drove home. Exhaustion and a 4 hr. drive on a boring interstate is a
recipe for disaster.
Rant mode off. Thank you for listening. :)
I understand. I really do. Tomorrow is our anniversary. It is also a Friday.
He's going to miss this, too. Sure we can celebrate on Saturday, but
somehow it just isn't the same.
... Dear Lord, Please let me be the person my dog thinks I am. -- S. Hoff
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 01 Feb 96 06:34:00
EID:7b03 20413440
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Judith Bandsma <=-
KW> I think that she's turned tail and run, BTW. Unless it's FIDO, she
KW> hasn't posted since shortly after her 'hissy-fit'.
No, I think she ran. But it wasn't the first time she did it. Maybe she'll
be back, maybe not. I do hope she's thinking about some of the things
that were said to her.
... At least the doctors find me fascinating...
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Brian Kolacy
|Sub: DOG
|Date: 01 Feb 96 06:37:00
EID:1a9c 204134a0
-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Judith Bandsma <=-
BK> http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
Tried connecting to this 3 times over the last 3 days. Keep getting a 404
error. What gives?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 01 Feb 96 10:58:00
EID:35b8 20415740
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to The Facts. <=-
AS> (Since I currently seem to be Fido-cursed in some areas, like Jim's,
AS> I request Judith to repost this directly to Jim/Lou/"The Facts".)
Done.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 01 Feb 96 07:21:00
EID:7a6c 20413aa0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to The Facts. <=-
JB> If this is not an admission of the evil intent of this person toward
JB> someone who was grieving and in pain, I don't know what is.
TF> Where is the intent demonstrated, you silly female twit?
AS> Um. Uh, Jim, do you WANT to be twitted some more?
JB> I don't know which is worse, the original vituperation directed at
JB> Shelby UNDER AN ASSUMED NAME and perpetrated in full public view,
TF> Evidence of this please? Just once can you prove what you are saying?
TF> You cannot because it never happen! You, Judy, are a liar!
AS>
AS> Jim. You're Lou. I can believe you did it out of concern (at least
AS> part of it...that, "where did he live, a tee-pee" was pretty bad--)but
AS> the God walking him through the valley of death bit I think you
AS> honestly meant it as a comfort not seeing that saying that is just as
AS> insulting as a Wiccan saying, "Well, may the Goddess lead your father
AS> back to good health, and if not, may Cerrunos guide him to the
AS> Summerlands." I have EVERY SYMPATHY with your sick father, but I think
AS> you would be insulted if I said that, or a Wiccan said that. So
AS> perhaps you can understand why neither Shelby or Judith took it well.
JB> With his record of lies,
TF> Evidence of this accusation?
AS> Jim/Lou. Who are you, Jim? Be yourself. If you don't want to be
AS> twitted, the trick is not to change your name, but to change what you
AS> say. If I say I am someone other than I am, than I am lying.
JB> It was not
JB> beyond him to hurt and villify Shelby in a time of grief in a very
JB> public manner.
TF> This is a false accusation, manufactured in your own mind as there
TF> are no facts to support it.
AS> Easy, Jim. What you said many could take as not a comfort, but a
AS> mockery.
JB> Therefore, he should make the truth known in JUST AS
JB> PUBLIC a manner. Not try to hide it further in private netmail.
TF> Judy...Judy..Judy...like who is going to make me do this? No crate is
TF> tall enough...
AS>
AS> SOMEONE is going to make you do this, Jim. Not me. Not Judith. (Who
AS> has specifically requested you not to call her Judy.) Not Shelby. Not
AS> Lynda. Someone IS standing on a crate that's tall enough.
AS> John 8:32. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make
AS> you free."
AS> John 16:13. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will
AS> guide you unto all truth."
AS> John 18:37. "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." And
AS> notice it was followed with, "And Pilate said unto him, What is
AS> truth?" As your brother in Christ, I admonish you to tell the truth.
AS> Stop hiding behind many names. (Using one pseudonym an echo is okay.
AS> To stage a population explosion on one echo is not.) If you don't want
AS> to be twitted, change what you say. You don't need to sacrifice your
AS> principles. You can find better ways to say it.
AS> I'm not telling you this, Jim. Jesus IS. Jesus who felt the truth
AS> was worth dying for.
AS> There's an old country saying. "Tell the truth and shame the
AS> devil." It's not a bad way to live.
JB> If Jim Staal will not make public the content of his private post to
JB> Al, then I am asking Al Schroeder to make it available to the rest of
JB> us.
TF> He never got it. Stir on, babe...
AS> No. I didn't. And even if I had, I wouldn't have revealed it publicly
AS> without your permission.
JB> Al, everyone on this echo deserves to know the truth. If Jim won't
JB> supply it, will you? (And with the track record Staal has, I truly
JB> don't expect him to do more than blow another gasket at even the idea
JB> of telling the truth for a change.)
TF> Tell 'em, Al. Tell 'em the entire 'dirty' truth. I got nothing ot
TF> hide.
AS> I never got it. But you may still have it. I invite you to post the
AS> explanation publicly.
AS> (Since I currently seem to be Fido-cursed in some areas, like Jim's,
AS> I request Judith to repost this directly to Jim/Lou/"The Facts".)
Done.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 01 Feb 96 07:45:00
EID:1374 20413da0
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
DW> What kind of reward do I get?
Whipped cream and cherries on the chocolate pie.
... Possessor of a mind not merely twisted but actually sprained.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: DILLIES, ETC.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 08:04:00
EID:0fbe 20414080
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Don Martin <=-
JH> I want to know if anyone thought to bring along a plumber.
JH> In a sealed environment a leak is BIG TROUBLE.
No. Hell, I didn't even think of that one.
... nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: MALE HAREMS
|Date: 01 Feb 96 08:32:00
EID:3f4b 20414400
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Judith Bandsma <=-
MH> The foot ... seems small, dull, and austere in comparison. Hm.
MH> See, the larger your hands and/or the smaller the foot you're working
MH> with, the more difficult it is to really get any kind of complex
MH> rhythm going. I don't mean to imply that they're entirely blase and/or
MH> uneffective, but they are more difficult to do. The position you have
MH> to place yourself in is also less relaxed.
Well, maybe I'm just weird (a distinct possibility) but I would much rather
lie back on the couch with my feet in Leo's lap and have him rub them.
Especially the instep and up a bit to the ankle. For me, it is wonderfully
relaxing...even more so than a back rub.
The other thing I enjoy, but can't get Leo to do, is to either brush my
hair or massage the scalp. Now that's heaven. What's strange is that
when Leo's grandfather visited us, (and my hair was long enough to sit on)
Pake would brush my hair for me for hours on end, then braid it. He said
that when his daughters were in school, doing their hair in the morning
was HIS job and he missed it. And Leo never took the hint from how much
I
enjoyed it. (Nothing sexual, mind you, just comfort.)
... Caution: Blown Brain At Work!
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ALTERING ANOTHER QUOTE, S
|Date: 01 Feb 96 09:12:00
EID:3a5f 20414980
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Marty Leipzig <=-
ML> That it does. It seems Jimbozo's family tree is suffering some
ML> form of Dutch Idiocy Disease.
PS> A damn shame, that.
Tolerant as the Dutch are, I think Jimmy would find himself floating in
an Amsterdam canal if he were ever to go there. That would NOT be just an
inconvenience. Amsterdam canals are lethal.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Thomas Cameron
|Sub: MY VISION
|Date: 01 Feb 96 09:43:00
EID:69bc 20414d60
-=> Quoting Thomas Cameron to All <=-
TC> you are more beautiful than the three hairs on my cat." Can anyone
TC> understand the deep philisophical meaning of this dream?
It is saying to you that eating ratatouille at midnight isn't the smartest
thing you could have done. And that topping it with feta falls into the
category of mortal sin.
... We teach psychoceramics...the study of crackpots.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: JESUS SAID "EAT ME!"
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:23:00
EID:6e75 204182e0
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Sue Alexander <=-
SA> And what did your husband say when he found out?
LB> "YOU mow the lawn from now on!" ;)
At least he didn't tell you to take out the trash.
... I'm weird, but around here it's barely noticable.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: HI
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:26:00
EID:92fd 20418340
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Christian Miller <=-
CM> God doesn't beat you for no reason. You must've done somthing wrong,
CM> in the first place.
PS> Yeah, just like the Midianite kids that he ordered slain, and all the
Ask Gwenny and Lynda and Katherine, this is the same thing we have heard
(with the exception of the word 'god' in the first sentence) from preachers
and police and doctors and our families...every time the asshole we were
married to asserted his status of head of the family. Ain't no way I will
EVER believe in a god cast in the image of Jack Lee.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: LYNDA GOES OVER...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:34:00
EID:f0ea 20418440
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Judith Bandsma <=-
PS> Sure does, but try explaining that to him.
I wouldn't try explaining the concept of shit stinking to Staal. He just
hates it so bad when I talk about him to someone else, though, that I'm
making a point to do it whenever I can. (Hear me, Jimmy boy? I'm
talking about you again. Are your ears ringing?)
Childish...sure it is. But I want to see the fundy melt-down again. Just
like all the others he swears never happened.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 01 Feb 96 16:47:00
EID:427c 204185e0
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Steve Wallis <=-
SW> Has not God provided
SW> most of us with jobs?
RS> I must have gotten the short end of the stick then, I've been out of
RS> work for a couple of weeks. Would you mind putting in a good word for
RS> me?
I haven't been reading Wallis lately or you would have seen me blowing my
stack at him about that crap. I'll be damned if I'll give some supernatural
agency the credit for my business. I've worked too hard to get it established.
And god ain't getting the credit for Leo getting this other job, either.
The thanks go to Don Martin for critiquing Leo's resume and helping me get
it into a form that would do the most good...and to me for working it,
reworking it, mailing it out, faxing it out and answering the phone while
Leo was out pounding the streets.
Now, can we do anything to help you get it together? I would be more than
happy to pass along some of the help we got here.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: DEATH
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:31:00
EID:8da2 20418be0
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Brother Jimmy <=-
SS> I was there, you nitwit. I was his caregiver. My father in law died
SS> hard and there was no comfort from an imaginary god or savior.
I don't see how anyone can describe someone fighting for breath, with
fear and pain in their eyes, as being escorted 'gently'. My mom went the
same way, Shelby, I KNOW what you saw. For anyone in their right mind to
believe that that horror is 'gentle' is ludicrous.
If there was a god, then someone who was a believer in that god, WOULD get
a gentle exit. The last few breaths would be easy, the pain would be gone
and instead of fear, there would be wonder in their eyes. A loving god
would not want the newest resident of heaven to ask 'why did you do that
to my family? Why would you want them to curse you for the manner of my
death?'
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Hayes
|Sub: GRAIL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:09:00
EID:af3f 20418920
-=> Quoting Steve Hayes to Gwenny The Pooh <=-
SH> it's quite a fun read. Not as good as Umberto Eco's "Foucault's
SH> pendulum", though.
What did you think of the similarities in 'pendulum' to the Ordo Lazulum?
Any chance Eco could have been a member himself?
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: LIKELY STORY....
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:16:00
EID:bbfe 20418a00
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
GtP> Remember when he was calling me Gweeny and stuff like that.
JS> Merely a typo, due to the problem I was having with my hands and the
JS> time...
SA> You know, that is about as good of an excuse as "the dog ate my
SA> homework" used for the 23rd time in a semester.
And the 'e' key is SO close to the 'n' key on the keyboard that it is
an understandable mistake.
... Sign on fence; SALESMEN WELCOME, DOGFOOD IS EXPENSIVE.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: EXPORT...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:18:00
EID:13da 20418a40
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> something known as working. You may want to go upstairs and consult
SA> the dictionary if you have any trouble with that new word for the day.
Dirty 4 letter word ending in 'k'. For Jimmy to understand it you should
have written it ***K.
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|From: Terry Liberty-Parker
|To: All
|Sub: Does HIV 'Cause' AIDS?
|Date: 01 Feb 96 17:16:40
EID:dde7 20418a00
MSGID: 1:382/804.0 11148ba4
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: AUSTIN_LIBERTY) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Originally from Terry Liberty-Parker (1:382/804.0) to All.
Original dated: Feb 01 '96, 16:25
Hello All!
Books of interest to those who suspect the "HIV 'Causes' AIDS" hypothesis.
"The AIDS War" -John Lauritsen, Asklepios, NY, 1993. Contact author direct
at: 78 Bradford St, Provincetown, MA 02657. Lauritsen is a market survey
research analyst and an investigative journalist. He wrote "Death Rush:
Poppers and AIDS" (with H. Wilson, Pagan Press, NY, 1986). He also wrote
a comprehensive AZT expose: "Poison by Prescription: the AZT story" (Asklepios,
NY 1990). Look in libraries.
"Why We Will Never Win The War On AIDS" -Bryan Ellison, Inside Story Communications,
CA, 1994. Contact Inside Story, 1525 E. Noble #102, Visalia, CA 93292.
Intelligent, comprehensive and detailed exploration of the AIDS phenomenon.
The story behind this book is interesting; Peter Duesberg's name actually
appears on the cover as a Co-Author. Indeed, this book belongs to him.
It's his manuscript. Unfortunately, Ellison, a former Berkeley graduate
student who collaborated with Duesberg, stole it and self published without
Duesberg's permission. Currently Duesberg is sueing him (summer 1995).
"AIDS: Scare or Scam" -Evan C Lambrou, Vantage Press, NY, a new book. Write
or call the author at: 156 Honness Lane, Ithaca, NY 14850. TelePhone #
(607) 273-6142.
"AIDS" -Peter Duesberg and John Yiamouyiannis, Health Action Press, 6439
Taggert Rd, Delaware, OH 43015. A new book; another case where Duesberg's
permission for being listed as co-author specifically not granted.
"AIDS: the HIV Myth" -Jad Adams, St Martin's Press, NY, 1989. One of the
originals. The majority is trustworthy, but Adams is cautious in presenting
many alternative views without pinning one down as truth. Introduces the
key players and ideas on all sides. He says HIV doesn't cause AIDS, but
thinks AIDS is infectious; maybe he thought St Martin's wouldn't have published
it otherwise. The best chapter is the last, Endgame. Available in libraries.
All of the above books contain outstanding lists of references.
Peter Duesberg's own book is expected from Regnery Publishing.
"Virus Hunting -- AIDS, Cancer & the Human Retrovirus; a Story of Human
Discovery" -Robert Gallo, Basic Books, NY, 1991. A look into the mind and
motives of Gallo, an original advocate of the "HIV 'causes' AIDS" hypothesis.
Contains no bibliography.
ENJOY,
Terry
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 31 Jan 96 14:09:00
EID:8d61 203f7120
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 63c304df
LB>David and Katherine were killing time yakking about FOF:
LB> KW> And they have porn shops in their airports? Am
I the
LB> KW> only one that sees a contradiction here? I'm not being snide here,
LB> KW> David, I just don't see the point of forbidding access to something
LB> KW> that is sold that openly elsewhere in the country.
LB>This confuses me, too -- German television has primetime nudity on their
LB>programming, and sell Barbie garter belts and crotchless panties in the
LB>Toys R Us Barbie aisle (I am NOT kidding) -- I can't imagine why GIFs
would
LB>give them any problem....UNLESS! Could it have to do with some sort
of
LB>licensing restrictions?! Maybe the porn lobby has exclusive rights to
such
LB>things?!
Somehow, when I was over there, I missed the sexy underwear for Barbie
dolls. But I do remember the newspapers and magazine covers, and I do
remember the tv ads. I don't think there was much more to be found on
the net than what was openly for sale. So, you may be right about the
licensing. I have to admit that I would turn on C-Span to hear the Porn
People insisting on tariffs.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Re: flood
|Date: 31 Jan 96 14:09:00
EID:74cd 203f7120
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org a6d74e06
AM>-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> AM>-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Maria Russell <=-
AM> KW> should take it into my head (and yes, I am good at it). And I said
AM> KW> that I owned and used a tarot deck. I did not, repeat, not say
what I
AM> KW> used it for.
AM> KW> Is this sort of 'interpretive' reading how the bunch of you came
up
AM> KW> with that ridiculous flood myth, anyway?
AM> Yup, your 100 % right!! My apologies. As to the flood, I have
no
AM> evidence apart from the bible narrative and Jesus Christ confirming
it as
AM> true also.
AM> Out of curiosity, why bother with tarot cards then?
Apology accepted, Captain Masten.
So, you have a cut and paste book, and the legend of a dead messiah.
Okay. On the other side, they have the earth and the record etched into
her. You might want to do some thinking about this.
As for the cards, they have their uses. The symbols used on them have
many layers of meaning, and can be used to analyse a situation by
throwing the known facts into differing perspectives (sort of the mental
equivalent of picking it up and turning it over). They are a tool,
nothing more and nothing less, a tool like language and math. In and of
themselves, the Tarot is only a set of cards. It's what you do with
them that matters. BTW, if someone tries to tell you that a reading
shows that you have a curse on you, or that you are going to die unless
you jump through a set of hoops, or any such thing, they are scamming
you.
Especially if they want you to gather up all the money in your bank
accounts and bring it with you to take a curse off of it.
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