God Damned Fundies!
|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: love
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:47:00
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-=> Quoting Rob Burcham to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> LB> Just out of curiousity, but is there any concept of a NONheinous
MH> LB> blasphemer? Because if not, isn't that redundant?
MH>
MH> I used the phrase because Rob had. I was just adopting his patois.
MH> It's not something I'd've come up with myself.
RB> And I got 'heinous blasphemer' from Staal and he got it from
RB> Preacher Bob and he got it from Reverend Failwell and he got
RB> it from the LORD ALMIGHTY!!!
Yeah, I realized its pedigree went back even farther after I'd already
credited you for it. Sorry. :)
RB> "Honest officer, I'm just borrowing this patois."
"Son, I know you can't afford no fine patois like this one."
... Yes, I've tried my hand at sex ...
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: position
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:50:00
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-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Michael Hardy <=-
JB> Mike, you once asked me about reconciliation of my stand on abortion
JB> in light of my affiliation with Quakerism. I have found the 'minute'
JB> adopted by most meetings on that, including my own. Here it is.
I appreciate your forwarding this. While I don't agree with its
conclusion, it is an eloquent and gracious defense of the position.
==QUOTES BELOW FROM THE MINUTE==
JB> Members of the Committee with a Concern for Reproductive Issues
JB> are united in caring about the clearness of each woman considering
JB> this decision. Recognizing the gravity of the situation, we urge
JB> Friends to hold each other in the Light without being judgmental.
And so do I. While I do oppose abortion, I do not seek to judge women
who have them. (Which I'm sure many here will not believe, but it's
true.)
JB> We pledge our support for a society which raises its children to
JB> cherish themselves and those around them. We pledge our support for
a
JB> society in which women and children are valued as much as men. We
JB> pledge our support for a society in which at least as much time and
JB> money is spent over the quality of life as is now devoted to the means
JB> of destruction and war.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, too. But I wonder whether children
can truly cherish themselves and those around them in a society which
defines a certain class of people -- the unborn -- as not inherently
valuable.
... A thousand compromises do not equal a victory.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Re: YHWH
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:55:00
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-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> Jesus promises that all who earnestly seek the truth will find it.
HP> Yet there are many who earnestly seek the truth and don't find it, and
HP> even more who earnestly seek the truth and don't find it in _Jess_.
HP> Is the bible wrong, are they not "really" trying, or was whoever wrote
HP> what Jess supposedly said -- shudder -- _wrong_?
How do you know they don't find it? Neither you nor I knows what
happens to them after they die. Perhaps God -- being a fair and
merciful God -- makes everything clear to them on the other side and
allows them to choose then. OR, perhaps God -- being a fair and
merciful God -- judges those who have never heard of Jesus based on how
they behave and believe in light of what they *do* know.
MH> When the Bible says that those who don't believe in Jesus are
MH> damned, it's speaking to people who have heard of Jesus.
HP> How do you know that?
Because people who haven't heard of Jesus haven't read the Bible. QED.
All of those condemnations are in the context of people who have a fair
and free opportunity to make a choice, and choose to reject Jesus.
HP> Why are they "damned?"
Because God is the only source of salvation, and we gain it on his
terms. Terms, which by the way, are incredibly generous and gracious.
Simply say a sincere yes to it, and it's yours.
HP> Why should people in "hell" treat each other any worse than they did
HP> in life?
Do you think people in this life treat each other very well? Hell will
probably be no worse than life here -- but for most people here,
that's none too good.
HP> Why should people in "heaven" treat each other any better?
Because they made a free choice to allow God to take their sin from
them. In heaven, we have no sin, because while we were here, we chose
wisely.
HP> Doesn't this also sound silly?
No, it doesn't.
MH> and from regret that they didn't repent while they had the opportunity.
HP> What makes you think they'd care any more about "repenting" (whatever
HP> that is) after their death than before it? This hell you paint
HP> doesn't sound so bad, if you could stand "living" forever, of course
--
Have fun, then.
But, you ask, why would they want to repent then? Becuase they'll
realize they're driving perfectly serviceable Yugos, but those in
heaven have Mercedes, Maseratis and Saabs. (It's a metaphor, Markie.)
... On Dr. McCoy's tombstone: "I'm dead, Jim."
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Threats
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:04:00
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-=> Quoting Ed Mills to Michael Hardy <=-
EM> Loquaciousness transpired on 28 Jan 96, from Michael Hardy to David
EM> Worrell.
MH> It depends. Will you bow before God, repent of your sins and accept
MH> his loving grace? Then, heaven.
MH> If not, hell. And God will not have sent you there. You will have
MH> sent yourself there by refusing to do what is necessary for heaven,
MH> and all your ridiculous protestation about "refusing" to go to hell
MH> will be
MH> sadly laughable. You will be trying to enter heaven on your own petty
MH> terms, not God's.
EM> In much the same fashion that it would be his fault he got shot
EM> if he refused to capitulate to the thug who stuck a gun in his face
EM> demanding money?
No. In the same fashion that it would be his fault he burned to death
if he were standing atop a burning house and refused to jump into the
only safety net available.
... "A person is a person, no matter how small." -- Dr. Seuss
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:05:00
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-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Michael Hardy <=-
RS> This is clearly illustrated here in the Pacific Northwest. The timber
RS> battle has once again resurfaced after our wonderful congress in
RS> Washington D.C. tacked on a salvage timber rider to another bill. Of
RS> course the president signed it because the main bill was very important
RS> [this is where a line item veto would come in handy]. It basically
RS> allows timber companies to cut much more than before, wiping out the
RS> forests for centuries to come.
MH> You're comparing apples and pomegranates. I support environmental
MH> protection. You're absolutely right, maintaining the ecosystem is
MH> vitally important to our own survival.
RS> It's the same damn thing, and your religion is partly responsible for
RS> all this. In your religion, only human life is of value.
I strongly disagree. In my religion, everything natural is of value
because it is all part of God's creation. And I am not alone. Many
evangelical Christians are environmentally active. The Evangelical
Environmental Network has met with Bruce Babbitt and petitioned
Congress to leave the Endangered Species Act intact. It also is
sponsoring public service announcements in support of the Act. Notable
evangelical Christian leaders such as Dr. Anthony Campolo have written
books urging environmental activism on the part of Christians.
And that's just among evangelicals, who are the second most
conservative Christians, after Fundamentalists. The support for
environmental protection is even higher among more liberal Christians.
Your accusation bears little resemblance to reality.
MH> However, that's not the same as holding that every *individual*
MH> animal is of vital importance. What you do with your cat's fetuses
MH> isn't important to the overall health of the cat family. If your
MH> cat were one of the last seven on the planet, it would.
RS> The same could be said for humans, eh?
No, because -- as I already told you in a previous post -- human life
has an inherent value that other animals do not have.
RS> One last question. Why is human life any more valuable than animal
RS> life?
Because God created us, and only us, in His image. Don't ask me for
evidence of this; it is an article of faith. You either believe it or
you don't.
I do.
... This score just in: Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: A little help from sp
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:28:00
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-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Jose Gomez <=-
KDM> Why are we here?
KDM> Because we're here.
KDM> Roll the bones, roll the bones.
KDM> Why does it happen?
KDM> Because it happens.
KDM> Roll the bones, roll the bones.
You should credit your Rush quotes, Kevin. :)
The night has a thousand saxophones ...
... ....Unable to open Trouser.zip (a)bort (r)etry (p)ee
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: bats
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:37:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> I am not suggesting anything, other than what the Bible says. If it
JS> doesn't say they are not birds somewhere else, there is no
JS> contradiction. That is all...
LB> There is a contradiction with reality, Jim -- it contradicts the
LB> truth. So much for inerrancy.
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
How about: Bats aren't birds, and the Bible doesn't say they are.
According to Strong's Hebrew/Greek Concordance, the word translated
"bird" is "owph," which can mean to cover, or covered, or
"(things) that flieth, flying, fowl."
It is derived from the verb "'uwph," which is defined as follows:
'uwph; to cover (with wings or obscurity); hence to fly; also
(by impl. of dimness) to faint (from the darkness of
swooning):--brandish, be (wax) faint, flee away, fly.
Given the etymology of the word, isn't it likely that "owph"
should more properly be translated "things that fly" rather than
"birds?" In that case, it is not the Hebrew Bible which is in error,
but English translations.
... If I ran the world, things would be a lot better. Well, for me anyway.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: pushing
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:42:00
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-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Al Schroeder <=-
JB> He not only strengthens my agnosticism, but pushes me toward atheism.
JB> If there truly were a god, I would think by now that he would be
JB> showing Jim the 'error of his ways'.
Now that's something I find intellectually weak. In questions of God's
existence, the questions should be about God, now about how one
believer in God might act. If Jim can you push you toward atheism, how
come Al and Lynda don't push you toward theism?
... Winter weather brings post-nasal drip to city. Phlegm at eleven.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Him
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:45:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Al Schroeder <=-
AS> Don't feel bad. I know Someone Else who questioned and even
AS> insulted religious hypocrites, calling them like bright and shiny
AS> tombs on the outside, but full of rotting bodies and worms within.
AS> And Who ate and talked with all manners of sinners.
LB> I am deeply embarassed and humbled by the comparison, but I do thank
LB> you for saying so. Would this be the same one that was accused of
LB> blasphemy?
Yes, but it's also the same one who could honestly say "Whoever has
seen me has seen the Father." Don't let it go to your head. :)
... I've made up my mind. Now to find some facts ...
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: information
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:56:00
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-=> Quoting Styx Allum to Rob Burcham <=-
>SA> > It's amazing how you can be so right about theology and so
>SA> > wrong about politics.
He has it backwards ...
>SA> If people would stop succumbing to believing the liberalist media
>SA> in the same manner that fundies believe bible babblers, perhaps
>SA> they would learn the truth about Newt & Co.
> So, you prefer conservative propaganda?
SA> No, I prefer to see the actual people doing what they do.
SA> Apparently, people are not realizing what I spell out
SA> as in what you quoted of me:
> The two have been slumbering in the same bed
> for some time now, or haven't you noticed?
SA> No, because I don't rely solely on the liberalist media that would
SA> have the general public buy into such an incorrect stereotype.
> They favor tradition, the status quo and often, a return to
> the 'good old days' (when gays stayed in the closet,
> women stayed in the kitchen and minorities weren't
> 'uppity').
SA> That's bullshit; and if you ever bother to listen to the actual
SA> conservatives leading congress today, you'll learn that.
> If the politicos that you support were to attain
> unchecked power, this echo might cease to exist.
SA> Bullshit. Listen to THEM instead of the liberalist media that
SA> seeks to breed such paranoid propaganda.
SA> Christians support censorship & restrictions.
To echo your own words, get your information about Christians from
unbiased sources and from Christians themselves. What you just said is
true of very few. Most Christians -- not all, but most -- are quite
respectful of the first amendment. We just want the right to not have
what we find offensive shoved in our faces.
... Nothing is foolproof for a sufficiently talented fool.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: position
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:03:00
EID:4f8a 2042a860
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TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0963
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Michael Hardy <=-
JB> Mike, you once asked me about reconciliation of my stand on abortion
JB> in light of my affiliation with Quakerism. I have found the 'minute'
JB> adopted by most meetings on that, including my own. Here it is.
This just reminded me of a joke ...
Seems several promient members of a Jewish congregation became involved
with a local Quaker assembly. For some time, they participated in both
groups.
One day, someone asked the rabbi if he was aware this was going on. "Of
course," he said. "I have nothing against it. Some of my best Jews are
Friends." :)
... To laugh well is to live well.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: bans
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:12:00
EID:b09e 2042a980
MSGID: 1:3625/470.0 8917438A
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0963
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Luke Clark <=-
LC> Of course, if the christians had their way, EVERYONE would be nice
LC> bible reading, church going, decent folk and 'blasphemous' books
LC> by 'Nietzsche', 'Lovecraft', 'Rand', 'Crowley', and others would
LC> be burned.How like the Nazis.
LB>
LB> NONSENSE! Can you seriously see either Al or I or Dick Holm banning
LB> or burning
LB> books -- any books?! Between Al and I, we've READ every author you
LB> mention. Please don't paint Christians with such a broad brush!
Ahem ...
... The invitation said black tie only. Why are all of you in suits?
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List -
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:26:00
EID:dbba 2042ab40
MSGID: 1:3625/470.0 8917438B
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0963
-=> Quoting Zayd Allebban to David Worrell <=-
-> Unfortunately, I had a stricter definition in mind. I was calling
-> you a shithead.
ZA> I'm really getting tired of this. Is this how you always greet
ZA> people? Yeah, I know, "I don't give a shit about how I greet people!"
ZA> "And I don't care if you're getting tired of this.
ZA> This time, could you reply without putting me or my beliefs down?
No, he can't. It's the only talent he has.
... Be bold in what you stand for and careful who you fall for.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: homophobia
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:52:00
EID:e9a8 2042ae80
MSGID: 1:3625/470.0 8917438C
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0963
DW> I personally would prefer to see the human race go via nuclear
DW> war than by the takeover of homosexuality... then I wouldn't
DW> have to be witness to this erosion of our society that is now
DW> occuring. -
You know, that's really surprising coming from you. I thought you were
hateful toward Christians only.
I guess you're an equal opportunity bigot.
Now, I know you didn't say the above. George Pope did. I thought about
letting the post go as written, but I decided to explain myself for
the sake of my own credibility.
I could have let this go with the clear indication that you are a
homophobic bigot. And you would have had NO right to complain, because
you said to Jim Staal:
TT>> Unless you name is Rice in which case you have the right to alter
TT>> posts to your heart's content without any measure of censure
TT>> taken against you.
DW>> Fred has *never* modified your *posts*, Jimbo.
JS> Perhaps, but he has modified Lump's to make them appear as though I
JS> had posted them.
DW>Isn't lying a sin? Fred never modified Lump's *posts* either. He
DW> simply attributed them to the person who actually wrote them. The
DW> letters before your above quote are *no* part of your post,
DW> dipshit. They are added by *my* system (or whoever happens to be
DW> replying to you).
Do you enjoy being a hate-filled theophobe, David? You would have
accused me of lying all over the echo if I had let this post go without
this explanation. And yet you think it's perfectly fine for someone to
do it to a Christian.
You disgust me.
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|From: Lump
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:17:49
EID:3ec5 20427220
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Steve Rose <=-
FR> @MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e1221b7
FR> I am too low, help me do it patiently.
FR>
FR> -!-
FR> ! Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack!
FR> (1:102/890.666)
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Mark staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Re: Get over it!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:21:12
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LB> thoughts are my own. Your thoughts, on the other hand are shared by
LB> Lon, Lump, Da Facts, and whoever else is crawling around in your
LB> imagination -- little wonder why no single persona can come up with
a
LB> complete idea!
...Um, Linda, don't try to make it seem like my thiughts are controlled
by
Jimmy, they are all my own no matter how stupid they may seem to you
people...
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:25:03
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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SA> Armey/Shelby's plan is 17%. I downloaded the form from the White
SA> House. Are you complaining about lower taxes? I presently pay 27.8%
of
SA> my annual income to Uncle Sam.
.....Aww, try paying in 36.9% once,then come and cry in my ear.....
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump-Mark staal
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:30:51
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JS> Perhaps, but he has modified Lump's to make them appear as though I
JS> had posted them.
DW> Isn't lying a sin? Fred never modified Lump's *posts* either. He
DW> simply attributed them to the person who actually wrote them. The
....WRONG DUFUS! I WROTE THEM....
DW> letters before your above quote are *no* part of your post, dipshit.
DW> They are added by *my* system (or whoever happens to be replying to
DW> you). Do you enjoy showing your ignorance to the whole world?
.....No, but, obviously you are showing yours like the batman
spotlite...
DW> 'I was on my knees, doggie-style, with my feet hanging off
DW> the bed... He pulled his jogging suit down around his ankles
DW> and left his T-shirt on... He stuck it in and pumped a couple
DW> of time and pulled it out... He was very easy. A few pumps and
DW> that was it. He'd just moan, and as soon as he got done, he'd
DW> throw the rubber in the trash, tuck it in and walk out the door.'
L> - DAVE WORRELL refering to Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine,
L> July 1988)
.....See Dave, there you go again telling us your sexual
fantasies......SICKO!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Laughter at Lumpy Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:38:42
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-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> @MS
Lu> ......Uhh...'bout twice that....so it musta been yo Momma....
Lu> BTW, she still doing the freek show at the circus?...Oh, that's
Lu> right, you don't live at home anymore...
SA> Funny, your writing looks like you are about 14 and posting from
SA> a "teen chat" board....
"Funny, your writing looks
like.......".
And your writing looks like the writing of Heidi FLice "the whore".
So, why don't you back off and grow up yourself and BTW, why don't
you give up the fairy tale fantasy of witching and just act
normal......Oh, that would be the same thing!
... Salem,where the cigarettes burn like the witches..into ashes and butts
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|From: Mark Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Mark Staal the LUMP
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:42:45
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Lu> Hey, Steve, URA redneck if your family tree does not
Lu> branch.....or...if your wife's not on a chain and your wallet
Lu> is....or..if you go to family reunions just to meet women....or...if
Lu> a sign saying, "SAY NO TO CRACK", Reminds you to pull your pants
Lu> up....or...if you mow your lawn and you find your
Lu> car.....or.............well, I'm sure you know all the rest....
SA> Why don't you tell us more signs...you are obviously speaking
SA> from personal experience.
.....Buuurrrrr, I thought I felt a cold wind in
here.....FRIGID....AIRE!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Return of the List 1/2
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:59:00
EID:d6db 20427760
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-
I also revised the list....as follows:
L> Name Province/State Alignment
L> ----------------------------------------------------------------
L> Australia
L> Anthony Grigor-Scott New South Wales Bloody Insane
L> Canada
L> Conan Cooper Alberta Satan's Helper
L> Quentin Fai Alberta Depressed
L> Michael Gothreau Alberta Satan Themselves
L> Dean Hill Alberta Atheist
L> David Johnston Alberta
L> Alan Kern Alberta/Ontario Nutter
L> Doug Lee Alberta
L> John Musselwhite Alberta
L> Kelsey Bjarnson British Columbia Atheist
L> Nathan Rogers British Columbia
L> John Wilson British Columbia
L> Sue Armstrong Ontario Witch/Taoist
L> Leonard Bernier Ontario Spewer of Passages
L> Ross Catto Ontario
L> Brian Cayen Ontario Deist
L> Paul Churchill Ontario Covers his ass
L> Simon Ewins Ontario Atheist
L> Coridon Henshaw Ontario Atheist
L> Mark Hogan Ontario "Evil Incarnate"
L> John Jeanneault Ontario
L> Rick McFarlane Ontario Theist
L> John Oliver Ontario Gay Catholic
L> Steve Wallis Ontario CHRISTIAN
L> United States of America
L> Mike Hardy Alabama Apologist
L> Billie Sundae Alabama
L> John Prewett Alaska Seriously Deluded
L> Cpt. Fuck et al Baltimore MPD
L> Mike Christy California Agnostic
L> Karen Davis California Agnostic
L> Shabier Khan California Moslem Fundy
L> David Rice California SATAN/Atheist
L> Fredrick Rice California Atheist/SATAN'S
ADVOCATE
L> Larry Sites California Atheist
L> Greg Waggy California Fundy
L> Ken Weins California Fundy
L> Charlie Hadden Colorado Fundy
L> Dave Horn Colorado Atheist
L> Roger Hunter Colorado Atheist
L> Sean McCullough Colorado Anarchist
L> Jim Nowak Colorado
L> Karl Rhoads Colorado
L> Gwen Todd Colorado Pagan/WITCH
L> Glen Todd Colorado Pagan
L> Dan Lafferty Connecticut Laffing Stock
L> Maria Russell Connecticut Fundy
L> Kirk Bailey Florida
L> Christopher Baker Florida Atheist
L> Jack (Raven) Butler Florida Atheist/Not a "Native
L> American" Robert Curry Florida Atheist
L> Matt Giwer Florida Abrasive
L> Jeffery Ivins Florida Nekkid Shamanist
L> Jesse Jones Florida Theist
L> Aaron Leitch Florida Mystic
L> Tim Mcgaughy Florida
L> Christian Miller Florida "Buttmunch"
L> Spartacus Florida
L> Ken Stuckas Florida Atheist
L> William Brown Georgia
L> William Childress Georgia Fundy
L> Thomas Delcano Georgia Chaotic Wierd Pagan
L> John A. Leopard Georgia
L> Bill Wolff Illinois ???
L> Brian Baker Illinois Fundy
L> Dennis Webber Indiana Eckankar
L> Bruce Alderman Kansas Theist
L> Rob Burcham Kansas The Deli Leaper
L> Robert Jackson Louisiana One, True God
L> Hector Plasmic Louisiana Atheist
L> Luke Clark Maryland Crowleyite
L> Darrel Grattidge Maryland
L> Don Martin Maryland Curmudgeon
L> Tom Takesian Maryland
L> Lee Woofenden Massachussetts Metaphysicist
L> Glen Davis Michigan Metafundy
L> george rudzinski Michigan loweST-LIFE atheist
L> Dave Oosterman Michigan Fundy
L> Larry Meyering Michigan
L> Lon S. Mabon Michigan Bigot
L> Craig Palme Michigan
L> Jimmy Staal Michigan CHRISTIAN
L> Mark (Lumpy) Staal Michigan Brudder Jim's Bro
L> Jon Vandenberg Michigan "I have a life"/NICE GUY
L> Calvin Ward Mississippi Moron
L> John Brawley Missouri Quantum Panentheist
L> Gary Glunz Missouri
L> Fred Kramer Missouri
L> Richard Morrison Missouri Military Fundy
L> Brian Kolacy New Jersey
L> Sally Springett New York
L> Kevin McKenzie Ohio Atheist
L> Angela Reed Ohio
L> Karl Schneider Oklahoma Atheist
L> Styx Allum Oregon Chaotic Neutral/PUKE
L> Steve Bedard Oregon
L> Marilyn Burge Oregon Freethinker
L> Frederick Leff Oregon Atheist
L> Ryan Shaw Oregon Atheist
L> Blanche Nonken Pennsylvania Former Jew
L> Judith Bandsma South Carolina Quaker
L> Jason Harmon South Carolina Atheist
L> Austin Ziegler South Carolina
L> Roan Carratu Tennessee god....NOT
L> Douglas Duke Tennessee Ark Weenie
L> Linda Moore Tennessee
L> Phil Morrison Tennessee Addled
L> Al Schroeder Tennessee Former Anglican/Moderate
L> Shelby Sherman Tennessee Atheist
L> Preston Simpson Tennessee Atheist/GNOME
L> David Worrell Tennessee Atheist/SHEISTER
L> Joanna Amren Texas Squeaky Toy
L> Martin Goldberg Texas Scotch
L> J.J. Hitt Texas Noodles! with Hot Sauce
L> Patrick Humphrey Texas Houston Aeros
L> Marty Leipzig Texas Bourbon
L> Steve Quarrella Texas Atheist
L> White Sox Texas Failed Biology
L> Don Ward Texas Twit of the Year
L> Katherine Wintersnight Texas Pagan/WITCH
L> Lynda Bustilloz Virginia Anglican/"Catty Bitch"
L> Kenneth McAbee Virginia Jerry's kin
L> Steve Rose Virginia Atheist/LUCIFER
L> Jerry Wilcox Virginia Kid-beater for Jaysus!
L> Dan Ceppa Washington SEPTIC OVERSPEW
L> Andrew Marsten Washington
L> Kris O'Kelly West Virginia Fundy
L> Charles Rollins West Virginia Fundy
L> Sue Alexander Wisconsin Atheist/HEADWITCH
>>> Continued to next message...
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Ride this!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:00:42
EID:4d6f 20427800
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> @MSGID: 1:121/45.0 310f42b9
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
RJ> And in truth, I rode Stall's case for not bothering to look up a
RJ> word in the dictionary--I should urge the same of you.
DW> Go ride Staal some more :)
JS> Ride this!
SA> Brilliant response...did you have to go to school for that?
...No, but, from the looks of you, your mother and father did and
failed...probably still held back.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colonic brother
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:02:53
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-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Lump <=-
SR> @MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10d417e4
L> Na, I still believe in God no matter what you try to convince me
SR> You are a jeezoid, of course. You have no choice...and no mind. No
SR> one expect you to mature and face reality without your cartoon babble
SR> heros for you to cuddle up with under the blankets each night.
Ahhh, the Rosebud speaks more sewage wisdom again. MASTER...
MORON!
`
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: LUMP
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:05:23
EID:b427 204278a0
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-
JS> There, there, Lump...Jimmy loves you non-the-less. We'll ride this
JS> one out...together.
SA> Don't forget the condoms!
....don't worry, we won't mess up like your mother and father did and have
an unwanted preg.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:08:19
EID:b427 20427900
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PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-
Lu> ......So tell me somthin I don't know...been using that trick for
Lu> two years now, how dya think I got this computer;"Oh gee Hun, I
Lu> know I should'ntna spent that much on a toy, but, I guess I shoulda
Lu> waited." Still haven't paid it off or even made a payment yet and
Lu> believe me she hasn't let me live it down even as of
Lu> yesterday."LUMPY*@!*&^@!*"!
SA> Another example of those fine Christian values of yours...lying,
SA> manipulation, and stealing. You should be proud. (gag)
.....Sometimes that's the only way to shut somebody up and get them
off your back...Unlike you where burning at the stake is outlawed and a
muzzle is considered cruelty to animals.....WITCH1
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: lUMP
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Re: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:11:02
EID:07bf 20427960
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31122b12
PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
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-
NS> It's obvious from your post that you haven't got a clue about
NS> anything that Pagan families would do. And, talk about the niceness
I was under the assumption that pagans didn't have families, but
rather flocks....
NS> of Xtian families to one another, I guess the Inquisition was just a
NS> lovely picnic in the park. "Hey, Toquemada (sp?), got any more room
NS> for weenies on that grill?"
.....Well, spoken like a true weenie then...."BITE ME"!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: The Raven
|Sub: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:02:00
EID:b4e6 20419040
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3112634d
And Brave Sir The ran away, screaming "OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR..."!
TR> "If the wolf cries to the blue corn moon in my neighborhood, I'm
TR> going to shoot it between the eyes with my .45." -- Tony Trujillo
Dunno who he is, but I wonder if he'd be singing the same tune if
that .45 was stuck up his ass -- where it obviously should be.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Some men are alive simply because it's against the law to kill them.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: ----
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:17:01
EID:8eff 20419220
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3112634e
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "----"!
LB> After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King
LB> Herod, Magi (traditionally Wise Men) from the east came to Jerusalem
LB> and asked "Where is the one who as been born king of the Jews? We saw
LB> his star in the east (or "star when it rose") and have come to worship
DC> Go through that again, Lynda.... It's talking about a star in
DC> the EAST.
DC> Did the wise men walk across the Mediterranean? Best I can say
DC> is they had feet as big as Staals, or at least egos...
What's more confusing is the statement that the wise men came FROM
the east (ie, started out farther east than Bethlehem) yet,
followed a star that was in the east (and so went east). If they
started out east of Bethlehem, the star would have had to have
been in the _west_ for them to follow it to the indicated town.
?
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: ABORT THEM ALL! (Then eat the remains.)
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:53:02
EID:0b3c 204196a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3112634f
And Brave Sir Fredric ran away, screaming "ABORT THEM ALL! (Then eat the
remains.)"!
sq> He's nodelisted, and I saw that someone took a good look at his BBS.
FR> Yep. The guy _is_ a hoax. He also, it appears, goes under a female
FR> variation of the name he uses here. He also has "sex talk" forums on
FR> his system.
FR> I think it's obvious there's good evidence he's just another tiresom
FR> plant. (One that needs watering.)
Oh, I think Miller's for real, even taking his sex areas into
account. After all, look at those televangelists caught fooling
around with hookers, and all the priests and whatnot into little
boys (literally). Just because he's a Christian doesn't mean he
can't be a pervert. Hell, I'm _not_ a Christian, and I found his
area listings repulsive - I don't generally call boards with such
areas (I do call one, because the sysop carries a usenet echo I
requested, and I started calling _before_ he added "adult" areas.
But I requested that my access be _cut_ so that I can't see the
areas any more. I bet not many sysops get requests for access
LOWERING. I simply have no use for such areas, and I've no
interest whatsoever in seeing them or their contents. So I'm a
heathenish prude. Sue me.)
3 or moresomes? Married, will cheat? Sex in public places?
Yeeesh. Sounds like he hasn't had a .. partner .. in quite a
while. And I doubt he'll ever get one, either.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Man, I'm so stressed, I've got the urge to...to...deliver letters!
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:05:03
EID:979e 204198a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 31126350
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "AN INTERESTING SITUATION."!
AG> The First AND Second World Wars were engineered by the international
AG> bankers. Here is a little historic background for your study:
AG> From:- `Pawns In The Game' by William Guy Carr (Chapter 16)
DC> I read your little historical fantasy. Quite frankly, I was not
DC> suprised to see "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" mentioned
DC> prominently, but the idea of Hitler keeping the EXCESSES of the "Nazi
DC> War Lords"--curiously unnamed, don't you think? Who WERE these
DC> bloodthirsty fiends that heroic Hitler kept from doing their
DC> worst---is laughable at best. Your "history" is a painful continuance
DC> of the sort of anti-"international banker" mentality which IS a mask
DC> for the most rabid anti-Semitism. Your version of history, although
DC> full of half-truths, quite clever in its way, is totally CONTRADICTED
DC> by Tolland's two-volume HITLER or Schirer's RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD
DC> REICH. You are a sick, dangerous man, Anthony. It is the mindset
DC> that Hitler literally espoused, the lunatic worldview that led him to
DC> kill six million Jews. And yes he did, Anthony...many servicemen here
DC> in the states SAW the death camps, and one of the posters here has a
DC> father with a deathcamp tatoo. It sounds so plausible, and is so sick.
I'd like to add that I had an uncle who was interned a mere mile
from one of the Auschwitz camps - the main one, I think. He and
his fellow Canadian POWs _knew_ what was going on in that
Hell-on-Earth, and they could see half-starved Jews (and
presumably others) trudging to and from their slave-labour duties
every goddamned day before the liberation. Grigor-Scott is lucky
my uncle is no longer alive, else he'd fly to Sydney and beat the
little fuck to within an inch of his life (if he even spared him
THAT.) And I'd give him directions on how to get to West Ryde
from the airport, too.
There's nothing more disgusting on the face of the Earth than a
fucking Nazi.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Nature abhors a vacuum, and won't pick up a broom, either.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [2/2] importance
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:26:29
EID:0618 20419b40
MSGID: 1:207/212 71e26cb6
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 3110baee
On (01 Feb 96) Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Karen Davis...
LB> The schools around here do just that -- at the beginning of the year,
we
LB> get
LB> a checklist of meds that are okay to be given without permission --
cough
LB> syrup, tylenol, Bactine, Pepto Bysmol, etc. You check off the ones
that
LB> are
LB> alright. Aspirin, however is not on the list at all, as most medical
LB> professionals no longer like to have children taking aspirin unless
they
LB> can
LB> be POSITIVE the child has not recently had the flu.
Sounds like a sane way of handling the situation.
There have been some times that I've even personally had in my
possession something that would have made a child more comfortable, but
my hands were tied. I've had kids with coughing fits that needed cough
medicine that either needed to tough it out or try to call home, etc.
I agree that asprin isn't a good idea for a party not very aware of the
child's recent health to be giving. Since Tylenol is just as good, it
isn't hurting the kid to exclude it. I had a friend a few years younger
than I die of Reyes syndrome [her parents have since become major
activists about awareness of the condition] and that made a profound
impact on me.
With this flu epidemic, I've had lots of kids get sick on me, far more
than I've ever had. Yesterday I had a girl show up late for school
[official reason: ill] who came in, put her head down on her desk for 10
minutes, then started throwing up in the trash can. Friday I had a
kindergartener throw up at PE. The day before that I sent 2 3rd graders
to the office with general "I'm feeling yucky" complaints and they were
sent home. This is a MUCH higher percentage than I'm used to, where 90%
of the kids I send to the office come back in half an hour after having
rested, and maybe if it's early in the day a light snack. You better
believe I'm not asking kids to tough it out right now, like I usually
do.
... How can I be trusted with a baby but not a choice?
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:34:31
EID:dd00 20419c40
MSGID: 1:207/212 a1f39729
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 310ec279
On (30 Jan 96) Scot Bear wrote to Karen Davis...
SB> Not to mention the "liberal return policy", eh? He GAVE his "son"; he
gets
SB> him back. 8-)
That's what I'm trying to figure out. What sacrifice is death to a God?
Sorta the same kinda question Captain Kirk asks in ST 5 or 6, "Why does
God need a starship?"
... Watch the short jokes or I'll bite you on the ankle!
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: Judging Others
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:35:22
EID:9fed 20419c60
MSGID: 1:207/212 b5801051
REPLY: 1:128/50 310852BF
On (31 Jan 96) Linda Whitten wrote to Karen Davis...
LW> It is a much older 386. A gift from friends. (Gwenny the Pooh and
her
LW> hubby) They tried to update it to a 486 motherboard, as I recall and
LW> it wouldn't work. She tried to put in a larger HD and IT wouldn't work
LW> either. I would probably have to totally gut the current 'puter and
LW> start from scratch. However, I have an eye on a nice system for
LW> roughly $1800. One of these days.....
I just installed a Multimedia kit [Creative Labs/Soundblaster] on my
386SX 33. So I know it will work.
... Think you're confused? Wait until I explain it.
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:07:45
EID:dd07 2041a0e0
MSGID: 1:207/212 96471c6b
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310f098e
On (30 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to Gwenny the Pooh...
RJ> Neither has this atheist...but then, I haven't put my eye out
RJ> on one yet.
Now Now... it's not the EYE that's supposed to come close to them... :)
:)
... Some of my best friends are Moderators. No, really!
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:09:58
EID:1d9b 2041a120
MSGID: 1:207/212 a1a7775a
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310f0994
On (30 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to Marty Leipzig...
RJ> The rotting stuff. The chickpea dip (I make that stuff and
RJ> eat it by the bowlful) is called hammus.
My husband loves that stuff. You got a recipe?
... Freedom OF religion includes freedom FROM religion.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fun-dee pays church
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:08:03
EID:3495 20430100
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REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fc7e8
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
JS> have this twisted idea about the church and money
SR> Yes...as they go hand over hand...twisting the guilt-ridden cork screw
SR> upon their sheeple.
JS> Evidence?
You could call it that if you so wish. I prefers to call it extortion.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Roland
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:08:37
EID:33c2 20430100
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10d41821
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
R> Did God create dinosaurs at the same time as man?
First there has to BE a gawd to do any sort of 'creating.' Do you have
any real evidence of one that exists? Me neither.
R> did God create dinosaurs before that, perhaps as his first try at a
R> living world..then realize that the dinosaurs were incapable of
R> worshiping him and destroy them...Then 65 million years later
R> create man.
Some stupid gawd that would be. Couldn't do the job right EITHER time!
Maaaaaybe...the answer is that a DAY in the life of some gawd is about 65
Million years to US! Hence, it was all in the same 'time frame.'
Hey... fundies believe just about anything they are told, right? :)
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: AL
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:13:03
EID:2bb3 204301a0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 10d41824
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E33
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
SR> since they know that I am not some insecure fundy...hence I can
SR> take care of myself in life.
MH> Can you do it without ridiculing everyone who disagrees with your
MH> view of the world?
As long as they are not some wind-up robotic jeezoid with an unrealistic
and unthinking world view...yes. Know of any?
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Kenny is back into his denial.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:14:01
EID:6e01 204301c0
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REPLY: 1:271/460 3111e876
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
KM> I've never admitted to praying to any gawd.
Deny it RIGHT NOW in front of all these witnesses that you do not pray to
some gawd. As a fundy...you have no choice but to admit to doing it...or
PAY FOR IT.
KM> Nor have I ever tried to rewrite my own fairy-tale fictional
KM> rules or live by them.
Of course not. They are all properly inscribed and laid out for you in
your book of babble fairy-tales and instructions. You cannot rewrite one
iota of those hand-me-down commands. You have no such option left open
to you.
KM> Since I cannot find meaning of fundy in the dictionary, I have no
KM> idea what fundy trap is.
That one is easy: the same trap you fall into every time you reply. Thanks.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 02 Feb 96 23:56:40
EID:674b 2042bf00
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 311302d9
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fc7df
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Preston and Jim were killing time yakking about Fundamentalists R Us:
PS> Legally blind is not the same as actually blind. I can get around
PS> without my glasses (even drive--but not well), but I see a lot better
PS> with them than without.
JS> In our state, those who are legally blind are just that: legally blind
JS> and blind people can't drive...but I am glad that you can transport
JS> yourself...
Legally blind just means that one is legally required to wear corrective
lenses in order to drive -- our driver's license notes the requirement.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Ensign Fodder, report to transporter for away team duty."
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HOPPERS
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:00:47
EID:4fcd 20430000
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 311302da
PID: BWPRO 3.06 [Eval]
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
JUDITH and AL were killing time yakking about HOPPERS:
JB> Maria claimed exactly that...that a modern science book she had read
JB> said that grasshoppers have 4 legs and 2 HOPPERS. This argument isn't
JB> about changing taxonomy...it is about eternal stupidity.
AS> A MODERN science book?? Then I DEFINITELY missed that. I could see
AS> the ancient Hebrews having different nomenclature for leaping
AS> legs(just as we distinguish "thumb" from the other fingers) but I
AS> don't see much excuse for a modern SCIENCE book saying such.
How much you want to bet it was published in order to be a part of the
"Creationist science" curriculum?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Chemicals, n.: Noxious substances from which modern foods are made.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:00:51
EID:1c82 2041a000
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 bf20264a
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310f098a
On (30 Jan 96) Robert Jackson wrote to AL SCHROEDER...
RJ> Yeppers, that's right foax--I assert that Mother Theresa is
RJ> a human maggot of the first magnitude. She is exactly what
RJ> is WRONG about what people admire in "humanitarianism". She
RJ> thrives on the festering sores on the human spirit.
RJ> AS>
AS> I would have less respect for her if she voiced the anti-birth
AS> control views and then DIDN'T try to help the victims of
AS> overpopulation.
RJ> I think she does more harm than good, because she keeps people
RJ> healthy enough so they can just keep having more impoverished
RJ> children. There's no attempt to correct unhealthy attitudes.
Years ago, I told somebody on a local echo that the only
way Mother Theresa would be a sain in my book is if she
was passing out free condoms instead of free meals.
They thought I was kidding.
I wasn't.
... "Scattered Showers, my ASS!"....Noah
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:06:36
EID:c684 2041a0c0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 8a021323
On (30 Jan 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Al Schroeder...
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> Lucky YOU. You see, SOME people are receiving them, and some aren't.
JB> I thought it was pretty funny. If other people are getting the same
JB> arrangement, they might even think you and Hector are the same person.
JB>
JB> Things seem to be getting better on this end. There have been messages
JB> from you 3 packets in a row now.
I haven't received a message with Al's name on the FROM line in
probably two weeks. I only get messages that are answers to such
posts. Fido needs therapy.
... "Scattered Showers, my ASS!"....Noah
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: All
|Sub: Diddli-poo
|Date: 01 Feb 96 22:36:39
EID:47aa 2041b480
MSGID: 1:105/40.762 e927e5c1
A geneticist living in Delft
Scientifically played with himself
And when he was done
He labeled it "Son"
And filed it away on the shelf.
E. weird
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: legend
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:ef26 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org f093ac9c
MH> Because the evidence is good that the written accounts of Jesus' life
MH> werein circulation not very long after the events they chronicled, and
MH> the disciples were a definite part of early church history. There
MH> really is no good reason to disbelieve them, unless you just take the
MH> illogical and indefensible position that everything in the Bible is
MH> considered false until proven true.
MH> A major clue is that the disciples are everywhere portrayed as
MH> fallible, ordinary human beings. Peter denies even knowing Jesus
MH> at one point, and doubts him a dozen times along the way. John and
MH> James bicker over who's superior. Thomas is skeptical. Myths tend to
MH> idealize the "good guys," but there's no sign of that here.
Homer's heroes were fallible, too, Mike. So were the heroes of the
Arthurian legends, so were the heroes of Charlemagne, and so forth.
Again, many stories were in circulation shortly after the events that
the legends were based on happened. That's how legends get started. To
me, all the events spoken of in the bible tell me is that something
probably did happen, many unrelated somethings, perhaps. Like the
Arthurian cycle, though, there is no real evidence one way or the other
concerning this carpenter's son and his clash with roman authority. We
have this version that survived. There are a few variants of the basic
story floating around, four of which are 'officially recorded' in the
Bible. It basically comes down to the one simple fact that you believe
in this particular 'myth' and I don't.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: maria russell
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:63af 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 76ba2f72
MH>-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> MH> To all non-Christians: He's one of yours.
MH> JB> And what he said is mild compared to what I've wanted to say to
her.
MH> JB> Maria is like one of those bugs that is so ugly you just want to
see
MH> JB> it smeared across the sidewalk for the improvement it would make
in its
MH> JB> appearance.
MH> I don't read much of her material, so I'm really perplexed as to why
MH> she inspires such loathing in both you and Lynda. I can understand
MH> disagreeing with her, even thinking her ideas are dangerous, but you
MH> two seem to absolutely despise her -- and personally, not just her
MH> ideas.
Her stated ideas concerning a woman's place do not go down easily with
any woman who's had her trust and love betrayed by an abuser. She
advocated that position in which a woman is totally subject to her
husband, and that if this woman was a good submissive christian wife, the
abuse would stop. To any woman who has survived an abuse situation, this
is pure brine and vineger in open wounds. It is impossible to
placate an abuser out of abuse. We who have been there know that from
plain practical experience.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:9f25 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 1ea78c5a
JH> LB> Actually, to back up Gwenny, I've known of a few middle-aged
JH> LB> Wiccans who "came out" as it were, after the kids were grown --
JH> LB> they didn't want to cause any problems for them growing up, so
JH> LB> they kept it quiet until such a time as the only one who would
JH> LB> be targeted for persecution would be themselves.
JH> What I originally said was that if it wasn't for their appeal to
JH> teenagers, Wicca, Satanism and another sillyass religion which I
JH> forget, would all dry up overnight.
JH> So you've "known of a few" old farts who were also in it...
JH> Fine. How large a percentage did they represent?
Based on my experience, over 70% of the Wiccans that I have met were
over 30 years old. A good 15% or so were older than 45. One was a man
in his 60's.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:edde 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 914618b6
MB>There's a ten-year-old girl who is eight months pregnant in
MB>Texas right now. Any so-called man who would do that to a
MB>little girl that age deserves to be hung up by his balls,
MB>which should then be cut off with a rusty pocket knife.
Well, it seems that she is probably 14, not 10. Not much better, maybe,
but less likely to be physically damaged by the pregnancy. As best as
can be known the '10 years old' came from a forged birth certificate
her mother used to get her into school and so forth (she isn't a legal
resident). Boyfriend is in custody, awaiting the birth of the
child,and will be charged once it is ascertained if he knocked her up
before or after her 14th birthday. On that merry front, in the past
week in this state of Texas one man was convicted of molesting his
teenage triplet daughters (he claims that Divine Inspiration directed
him to do it), and another man was sentenced to 50 years (25 years for
indecent conduct with a minor, 25 years for attempted murder) for
sodomizing his 3 month old son.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: Re: Judging Others
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:5fbd 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 61c26367
LW> I think so. I don't possess a CD player (let alone a CD on my computer!
LW> sniff!!!!), but I know a friend who has the same CD in question on
LW> tape.
A CD player is worth the investment. CD's don't wear out the way tapes
do, so I buy them whenever possible, and make tapes for the car. I also
use the CD-ROM, with earphones, to listen to my music.
LW> Should I ever get ahead monetarily, I want to replace my current
LW> computer with one that has all the features I want. (Then I can invest
LW> in CDs!!!)
I certainly understand that! We are planning on a new computer soon,
too. Bear wanted to upgrade our 386, but I think that I have him
finally convinced that it would make considerable more sense to just go
ahead and buy a second system. I'm tired of the constant jockeying over
who's turn it is, and who needs it now.
---
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:2bac 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org baa943c8
GT>GTP>RJ>> The Chinese used rockets to scare the hell out of their
GT>GTP>RJ>> enemies in battle. They flipped a coin with the Scottish,
GT>GTP>RJ>> who lost on the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.
GT>GTP>> The Scots won.
GT>KW> Bagpipes are the ultimate weapon for apartment stereo wars.
GT>{evil chortle} Works great.
There is only one weapon more terrible--Chinese Opera. For some reason
most westerners can't stand it (I think it is the 5-tone scale). But
don't use it unless the situation has truly escalated to sheer
nastiness.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Les Wilcox
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:3d69 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org c2f04e6c
LW>-> Don't you think that it is a wee bit hypocritical of you to criticise
LW>-> another's 'christianity' when your theft is blazoned across the
LW>-> world?
LW> Katherine
LW> I have no idea what you're talking about.
LW>Les
LW>--- GEcho 1.20/WildCat!
LW> * Origin: Down Country BBS Macomb, OK 405-333-2424 (1:147/48)
Clever. Cutting out the relevant part of the message isn't exactly what
I would call ethical. I've recopied it so that you, me, and everyone
else will see what I was referring to.
**************************
LW> I think you need to quit calling yourself a christian. Perhaps
LW>something like "Convenience store Clerk" would be closer to what you
LW>represent?
LW> Les
LW>---
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
Don't you think that it is a wee bit hypocritical of you to criticise
another's 'christianity' when your theft is blazoned across the world?
***************************
In case you still don't know what I was talking about:
LW> Les
LW>---
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you get it now?
And yes, I did notice that you were no longer using Waverider without
paying for it. That's a good boy! :)
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 01 Feb 96 23:59:00
EID:7021 2041bf60
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 90c5834a
PS>Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Rob Burcham mumbled "Fundamentalists R Us"
PS> RB> Descriptions of HolySmoke:
PS> RB> Jim Staal: dark and friendless place
PS> RB> Jesse Jones: hell hole
PS> RB> Others?
PS>How about "One hell of an interesting ride"?
Or: "Only watch your step. This place can be a little rough."--Ben
Kenobi
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: All
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 01 Feb 96 13:13:13
EID:1ed7 204169a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Greetings!
I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
There is only One God, Not three!
Jesus is God! He dwelt amoung us in the Flesh!
Please follow along with some of these verses.
Isa. 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have
chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached
unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colo. 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after
the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after
Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and
power:
Rev. 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which
is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Don't take my word for this, please read your own bible to find
out the truth!
Believe only in God's Word!
I am just writing what I found out to be true!
Brad Jackson
God Bless!
... And now, some words of wisdom:
Fall Not In Love, It Will Stick To Your Face
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:59:04
EID:90f8 20432f60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618cca98
REPLY: 1:121/45.0 3111c735
JH>>> You know you're a hopeless case when you buy a cut of
JH>>> meat simply because the price tag says $6.66.
SA> I hope the package had a bar code to scan. It wouldn't be
SA> nearly so evil if it did not have one of those satanic bar
SA> codes that everything seems to have these days.
Damn!
I wish you hadn't reminded me. Yes, it had a barcoded sticker.
But I didn't save it.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: One God
|Date: 03 Feb 96 06:01:32
EID:90ee 20433020
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618cd1a5
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 10d41814
JJH>> GOD STEVE!
JJH>>
JJH>> Steve Rose has been elevated to God status.
SR> And I send my only misbegotten son...Lumpy Staal, as I
SR> screwed his then true virgin mother...to collect all the
SR> tributes. Pay up all...or get Lumptified.
Is that a death curse? If so you'll have to take your place at
the end of the line. There are a few folks ahead of you.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 03 Feb 96 06:42:34
EID:f588 20433540
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618d34eb
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310eafe1
DW> That doesn't hold a candle to the "Invisible Chevy Van"
DW> post or to the "Invisible Pet Sasquatch" post or to the
DW> "John the Baptist" post or to the...
I think he topped himself with his recent "I can pee!" message.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:58:43
EID:07c0 20429740
MSGID: 1:207/212 4bfc504a
On (01 Feb 96) LES WILCOX wrote to KAREN DAVIS...
LW> Sorry. Thats not what the author says in the opening screen.
LW> Produce and exibit a copy of the "regwr.wri" here or drop the subject!
LW> Then go and register your own shareware.
First of all, that WAS an excerpt of a *.wri file that goes with Wave
Rider. How else can I authenticate it?
Evidence, please, that what I'm using isn't registered?
Evidence, please, that I'm in violation of MY OWN ethical code?
You trot your ethical code out on your sleeve and don't like it when
you're called when you violate what you SAY it is. Using shareware
beyond the shareware contract is stealing.
... God created anchovies, Satan put them on pizza.
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:18:57
EID:8e78 20428a40
MSGID: 1:207/212 5208f4bb
REPLY: 1:147/48 2ae17c7e
On (01 Feb 96) LES WILCOX wrote to KAREN DAVIS...
LW> KD>This program is shareware. You may use this demo copy for 30 days,
LW> after
LW> KD>that it must be registered. See the included regwr.wri for
LW> registration
KD> ^^^^
LW> KD>information. Registering entitles you to a fully operational version.
LW> A
LW> KD>key file will be mailed to you that turns on taglines, and removes
the
LW> KD>opening screen. Place this key file in the directory you store Wave
LW> KD>Rider.exe.
LW> I didn't ask you to make up your own version. It must be registered
LW> if I want the fully operational version. I don't! ^^^^
You may use this demo copy for 30 days, after that it must be
registered. It doesn't say "if you want the extra features."
LW> Next time you invent your own files be sure to include something
LW> like "you MUST discontinue using this version in 30 days!".
Gee.. if I tell a class I'm teaching they may have 10 more minutes to
work, play, or whatever, am I not assuming discontinuation of that
activity at the end of that period?
... __________ÚÚÚ_¢.•_¿¿¿__________
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Homosexual need freed
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:21:24
EID:333b 20428aa0
MSGID: 1:207/212 e2df8902
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89170E2F
On (31 Jan 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Karen Davis...
DC> No wonder I couldn't find it... I don't do Windows!
Yeah, it's a Windows *.wri file.
DC> Wonder what the dear xian will have to say about that!
He's claiming I'm making it up.
... Child abuse killed more children than Oklahoma in 1994
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: The Bible and The Bible alone
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:56:15
EID:3a5b 20429700
MSGID: 1:207/212 204e0b9b
On (31 Jan 96) Jim Staal wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> Then I don't wish to obey that Bible or that God.
JS> You have that apparent choice.
Yes, I do. I admit I make it freely. That irks you, doesn't it? That
there are those of us who know the scriptures and reject them BECAUSE of
what they contain? Not IN SPITE OF what they contain?
If there is a god, he gave me this mind. He must accept the decision I
make in full knowledge of the information available.
JS> Blasphemer!
Thank you!
What would YOU think of a parent who thought less of half of his
children than the other half?
Again, Jim, one or the other of these must be true:
1. That God considers my gender worthless except as sexual partners and
to rear children [and is thus not worthy of the worship of those he
considers worthless]. A perfect god would have a far better marketing
department. This makes him less than perfect, perhaps leading to #3 as a
conclusion if his words *say* he's perfect.
2. That the statements in the Bible which show women in such horrible
subordinate positions and demands that they stay there are less than
divinely inspired, leaving room to doubt the inspiration of MOST of the
Bible.
or
3. That there is no god and the whole thing is cooked up by men.
As a feminist, it is impossible for me to accept a male god and a male
savior.
... Hot water Heaters: hot water needs heating?
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Misogynist Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:44:59
EID:1738 20428d80
MSGID: 1:207/212 95a34323
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fe7e0
On (31 Jan 96) Jim Staal wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> Proof that one of the following things must be true:
KD> 1. Paul doesn't know what in the world he's talking about, and is
KD> simply expressing his own opinion without any divine inspiration
KD> whatsoever.
JS> Any evidence to support this statement?
That's one of a set of possiblities. He admits most of his epistles
[i.e. letters] are his own opinion. If someone were to publish my
personal letters in the Bible would that mean God said those things? I
don't think Paul believed he was writing divinely inspired works - he
was writing to persuade and set what he felt was appropriate policy.
KD> 2. That this is a god we females cannot worship for any reason
KD> whatsoever.
JS> Don't speak for all females. Bible believing females around the world
JS> do worship God. It's just the ones who have come under the influence
of
JS> the evil feminazi groups that cannot...
Funny, I don't belong to any of those groups and sought them out ONLY
after recognizing my feminist belief system meshed with theirs. But keep
pushing, and watch for news about my growing affiliation with one
particular online group.
I'm reading a fascinating book right now which demonstrates why women
CANNOT continue to worship a male god and male savior.
KD> This would mean that God hates half his creation.
JS> Evidence that God hates females, please?
If he divinely inspired Paul's writings, then he must have. Why are
women's heads offensive to God? Why must they not teach? If I exclude
someone from teaching or speaking, I must have something against them.
... And Man said: Let there be God, and there was God!
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: David Johnston
|Sub: New Kid...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:39:25
EID:22c8 20427ce0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b583
-=> Quoting David Johnston to Jim Staal <=-
-> DR> However, as a DR> book about how to live, its message is weak in
-> the 20th century.
-> Really? Could you give me some examples of where the message is weak
-> in the 20th century?
DJ> I don't believe that the advice to abandon and reject your family is
DJ> truly constructive.
I don't believe it a it is a literal command to abandon and reject your
family, but rather a lesson in obedience...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Dan's in...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:40:58
EID:08bc 20427d00
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b584
-=> Quoting Norbert Sykes to Jim Staal <=-
}:> An lo Jim did give unto Norbert a parable on Dan's in... <:(
NS> Is this lower or upper penninsula? I've never heard of Wyoming MI .
JS> Lower. Immediately south of Grand Rapids (suburb of). Where are you?
NS> Born in Traverse City, raised in Saginaw, escaped to California...
No kiddin'. YOu should have hung out. It is beautiful this time of
year...chrunchy snow from the subzero temps, the smoke fromthe chimneys
going straight up, the unusual light auras created by the crystalizing
vapor particles...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Mr. miller...problem?
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:41:28
EID:c5d9 20427d20
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b585
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Jim Staal <=-
KDM> JIM STAAL spoke thusly to SCOT BEAR:
JS> SB>
JS> SB> The *mere* fact that they *EXIST* on a [so-called] christian's
JS> SB> BBS is evidence that he's neither good, nor christian...
JS>
JS>Hmmm..._good_ men never get caught up in kinky sex?
KDM> Not adultery, no.
Never!?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: 1/2
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:43:18
EID:66a2 20427d60
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b586
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> Hmmm...Paul is the dude to ask about predestination alright.
SA> So what are you donig believing the stuff he wrote about women
SA> being silent in church??
2 Timothy 3:16
JS> No problem. Question. You have that right. Question people (not just
JS> non-believers, but believers as well). Question scripture. Above all,
JS> question God. (ask of Him)
SA> Then why do not qustion anything that is in the bible?
Been there and done that. I no longer have to.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: 2/2
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:53:56
EID:6652 20427ea0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b587
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Luke Clark <=-
JS> (1 Cor 7:14 NIV) For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified
JS> through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified
JS> through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be
JS> unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
SA> From this, it appears also that an atheist spouse can go to
SA> heaven if the other spouse believes in Christ. Also, a serial murderer
SA> who is married to a believing spouse is saved. Is this what you
SA> believe?
Nope:
(1 Cor 7:16 NIV) How do you know, wife, whether you will save your
husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
JS> Total responsibility for that child until it is of an age of reason.
SA> How is that defined? While I am sure that Al's 2 autistic
SA> children reason in some fashion, they will never be considered totally
SA> responsible for their own actions in society unless a miracle cure is
SA> developed. Is Al and his wife totally responsible for the rest of
SA> their lives for whether these 2 children go to heaven or hell?
Al and his wife being believers satisfies that responsibility.
JS> (Mat 10:15 NIV) I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for
JS> Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
JS> I believe this indicates that although all who do not believe will
JS> receive eternal punishment of sort, those who die in ignorance will
JS> not bear the same punishment as those who had knowledge of the way of
JS> salvation and therefore are responsible.
SA> This is a large leap from the bible passage above. Do you have
SA> any other passages to support your ideas?
(Acts 4:12 NIV) Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no
other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
(Mat 10:14 NIV) If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words,
shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
(Mat 10:15 NIV) I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for
Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
JS> Well, God being who He is, would know in advance of the individual's
JS> future salvation status and would save that child.
SA> But where is there free will if God can do this?
Ahh...but did I ever say I believe there is freewill? I have always
said, concerning atheist/pagans that this is their apparent choice. I
have also said the Bible teaches that faith is a gift of God and not
everybody has/can have faith ...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:55:35
EID:7606 20427ee0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b588
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
LB> Lynda and Brother Jimmy were killing time yakking about A tale of 2
LB> cities...:
PS> It says in the verses quoted above that bats are birds.
JS> I realize that. Where does it say they aren't was my question.
LB> Are you suggesting they ARE birds? Bats are mammals -- they have fur
LB> and bear live young, rather than lay eggs.
JS> I am not suggesting anything, other than what the Bible says. If it
JS> doesn't say they are not birds somewhere else, there is no
JS> contradiction. That is all...
LB> There is a contradiction with reality, Jim -- it contradicts the
LB> truth. So much for inerrancy.
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
The Bible is indeed inerrant. Apparently what God calls bats are not
what man calls bats, because as the Bible says, the things God calls
bats, He also calls birds.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:57:30
EID:13b0 20427f20
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-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Brother Jimmy <=-
KDM> This may come as a shock to you, Jim, but there isn't a wide network
KDM> of heathens out here. She may consider you her enemy, but that doesn't
KDM> mean every pagan/atheist does. What happened to turning the other
KDM> cheek and loving your neighbor, BTW?
I have no problem with that...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Assembling the book...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:00:27
EID:ce50 20428000
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b58a
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> I believe that 'heart knowledge' that is, a spiritual understanding
JS> of scripture is to be within the ken of the individual believer...
SA> And yet, how can this "heart knowledge" be used to convince other
SA> people that the bible is literally correct?
Only the Holy Spirit can convince a person of the veracity of
scripture.
JS> That would not be everyone's gift or ability to do so. But rather,
JS> each with his/her own skill, 'gift', ability work/join together to
JS> form one body of believers - the 'body of Christ' as it were...
SA> What happens if this gift is given to a woman? Is she allowed to
SA> work as she is gifted for the benefit of the "body of Christ", or is
SA> she denied a place where her gift can be used because she has an extra
SA> X chromosome?
That would depend on where she believes her gift is to be used. If a
church is following scriputure (as my denomination once did on this
issue) she could be a teacher of children, or a missionary to
unbelievers, but not pastor.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:04:49
EID:48bc 20428080
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b58b
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> This is still silly, Jim. Using the Bible to show that the Bible is
PS> inerrant is like using the words of Richard Nixon to show that he
PS> isn't a crook.
DW> Would you be willing to bet on whether or not Jimbo leaps to Tricky
DW> Dick's defense?
BTW, big boy, back in '73 I wore a black arm band on the day after my
main man resigned. Greatest statesman and president that ever lived:
Richard Milhouse Nixon!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:06:48
EID:957a 204280c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b58c
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> Your wife is a dumbass, Jimbo.
Step up on this crate, coward, so even she can see you...ever get to
Michigan, big boy?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:13:16
EID:1cfb 204281a0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b58d
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> I never got it. But you may still have it. I invite you to post the
DW> explanation publicly.
Hi, Al. Thanks for the post. Did you get my I-net message concerning
this? Thanks to MISTER Worrell for forwarding. As I cannot change what I
say, as you suggested, (how can I change the biblical word of truth and
the inderstanding of it the Holy Spirit has given in my heart) I am
leaving the echo after three years. I stayed too long. Thanks.
Jim
jstaal@ios.iosbbs.com
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Laughter at Lumpy Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:14:00
EID:dc99 204281c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b58e
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> So how old is THIS Staal?
-=> Quoting Lump to Steve Rose <=-
L> after all you obviously haven't seen my mother
SR> Man...she just took the money and split. This was about 17 years ago.
Lu> ......Must've been your Momma......
SR> What a sleeze. Uhh... How old did you say you were, again?
Lu> ......Uhh...'bout twice that....so it musta been yo Momma....
Lu> BTW, she still doing the freek show at the circus?...Oh, that's
Lu> right, you don't live at home anymore...
SA> Funny, your writing looks like you are about 14 and posting from
SA> a "teen chat" board....
Why do you post a reply to Lump's post to me?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Mark Staal the LUMP
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:14:50
EID:844f 204281c0
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-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> Which Staal WANTS credit for this?
-=> Quoting Lump to Steve Rose <=-
SR> Hey, Mark. URA redneck if you come back from the dump with more
SR> than you took.
Lu> Hey, Steve, URA redneck if your family tree does not
Lu> branch.....or...if your wife's not on a chain and your wallet
Lu> is....or..if you go to family reunions just to meet women....or...if
Lu> a sign saying, "SAY NO TO CRACK", Reminds you to pull your pants
Lu> up....or...if you mow your lawn and you find your
Lu> car.....or.............well, I'm sure you know all the rest....
SA> Why don't you tell us more signs...you are obviously speaking
SA> from personal experience.
Why do you post a reply to Lumps post to me?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Newt, Rush and Gramm...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:33:58
EID:a0b5 20428420
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-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
LB> And when did Rush declare his intention to run for office? (G)
JS> Pledge in advance, just in case. :)
SA> Um, Jimmy, while I am not that familiar with all of Rush's
SA> stands, you may want to check his attitudes towards women.....
And they might be?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Tsk, tsk, tsk
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:54:32
EID:89eb 204286c0
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b591
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
SA> Does that mean if we ignore all the Staal aliases that you will go
SA> away? Nah, that would be too good to be true.
You may ignore what you like...
jstaal@ios.iosbbs.com
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: All
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:10:23
EID:e18a 20428940
MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3112b592
Dear All:
After much consideration, I have decided that it is time to leave the
echo. Actually, looking back, my job was finished long ago and I didn't
realize it. To those who have supported me in what I sought to do I want
say thanks and I hope I haven't caused you too much grief. I would like
to think that the three years I spent here as an active participant were
not totally a waste, as I entered here with the best of intentions.
To those I might have offended, I reget that. To those who perceived
offense, it wasn't my intent. I pray that in that day of days, God will
have mercy on our souls: the atheist/pagans for not heeding the message
that was clearly stated with boldness and unshrinking honesty, and on me
for the mistakes I have made here while striving to maintain the truth.
Any serious further discussion/comment or just to maintain contact can
be directed to:
jstaal@ios.iosbbs.com
or by snail mail...yes, you guessed it:
Jim Staal Ministries
P.O. Box 171
Grandville, MI 49468-0171
Chou...!
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: DOG
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:24:00
EID:efc7 20430300
MSGID: 1:272/99 0005943c
(On 02-01-96 Judith Bandsma replied to Brian Kolacy)
J B>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> BK> http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
JB>Tried connecting to this 3 times over the last 3 days. Keep getting a
JB>404 error. What gives?
No idea...the server can't be *that* busy. Hmmm, try it without the
last backslash...perhaps I need to update my sig...
If that doesn't work, let me know...
[After checking the URL, the one listed really should work...]
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... I'm religiously opposed to all religion.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: The Light
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:24:00
EID:f257 20430300
MSGID: 1:272/99 00059447
(On 01-30-96 Brad Jackson replied to Steve Rose)
BJ> SR> Thanks. It save me the trouble of thrusting my hand in the
BJ> SR> burning fireplace just to look it up.
BJ>Hi again Steve!
BJ> I am glad that I saved you from having to put your hand in a
BJ>fireplace! If you would like I can look up verses for you? I will
BJ>post them here until you can get yourself another Bible. My heart
BJ>is sadened to hear you lost such a good Book! But on the other hand
BJ>it gives me a chance to help out a fellow man with the scriptures.
Ok, how about Exodus 33:23?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Christians worship a bastard conceived by an adulteress.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Return of the List 1/2
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:24:00
EID:eff6 20430300
MSGID: 1:272/99 00059453
(On 01-30-96 Sue Armstrong replied to All )
SA>Brian Kolacy New Jersey
What a piss poor list! I have not lived in New Jersey for six months,
and I have been an unabashed lower case atheist for quite some time!
I live in New York, BTW:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:24:00
EID:f7b1 20430300
MSGID: 1:272/99 0005945d
(On 01-30-96 Steve Macdonald replied to All )
S M>HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER. I
SM>DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SM>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
Well, it's quite obvious that the first thing you need to do with your
new computer is locate the processor. Then, remove the battery from
your car. Go out and buy some jumper cables...don't skimp here,
purchase the ones with the max amps available. Attach both cables to
your car battery, and then attach each end to your processor. Any
computer problems you have after that (especially those involving CAPS
LOCK keys) are products of your imagination. Enjoy!
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... HolySmoke: Fundy roadkill on the Information Superhighway.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:24:00
EID:c18a 20430300
MSGID: 1:272/99 0005946a
(On 01-31-96 AL SCHROEDER replied to ROBERT JACKSON)
AS> RJ> Yeah, there's just something about parents not liking their
AS> RJ> kids out during t-storms. Hey, can we help it if that's
AS> RJ> where we have to be to look at the lightning in the sky?
AS> Oh Zeus of the Red Hot Lightnings...Thor with mighty Mjolnir...a lot
AS>of ancient people thought the mightiest of all was behind the
AS>lightning.
I guess you realize that most gods, nowadays, subcontract out for the
lighting. Thunder, of course, is no problem. ANY god can produce
thunder. Lighting takes specialization that most gods don't have the
patience for...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... I'd be a fundamentalist if I could just stop laughing.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: flood
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:26
EID:0d32 20430280
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "flood"
PS>> I'm in a cantankerous mood. I'll ask. WHAT have you seen?
MG>> Bibles.
PS> You've answered my question.
MG> Praise the lord.
Break out the NOODLES.
... Captain! Moderator decloak~%$#NO CARRIER
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:26
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "animal abortions"
MG>> Why is human life different from other animal life?
PS> "Because we have *souls*!"
MG> I just KNEW that he would say that.
I used to be a fundy, and thus still remember how they think.
... "Let's go see the Penguin."
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:26
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "Re: Mr. Miller...problem?"
MG>> A moot point. Brother Jimmy S. did touch her beofre it was
MG>> all over. More than once.
PS> Okay.
MG> It's just that I don't wnat you to let this fundy off the hook by
Me? Let Jim off the hook? Never.
MG> listening to him/her claim that Swaggert did no wrong. I would have
I'm not as stupid as I look. I take every claim I hear with a grain of
salt until I see evidence for it.
MG> pointed out that not only did he screw her, but begged her to have her
MG> kid watch. In my eyes, this is a crime no less than the monster that
MG> murdered that kid about 30 miles from here in Arlington. Both would
MG> be classified as child molesters.
And both should be drawn and quartered, European style.
... "Bother," said Pooh, as he was captured by Nazi Smurf commandos.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Altering another quote, scarecrow?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:26
EID:bb72 20430280
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Altering another quote,
scarecrow?"
ML> Iz Veniet.
PS> Well, you lost *me* on that one.
ML> Sorry (that's what it means, BTW).
Thank you.
PS> "Nechevo" I could at least have a
PS> shot at understanding.
ML> Nechevo is Russian for Nyet Problem.
'Tisn't what I heard, but my source was no more authoritative than T.
Clancy. I bow to your superior experience.
ML> That it does. It seems Jimbozo's family tree is suffering some
ML> form of Dutch Idiocy Disease.
PS> A damn shame, that.
ML> Indeed, that it brings forth blooming idiots is also a shame.
It's a problem with natural selection. Things that screwed up still
reproducing is a strain on the environment.
... "Ray, if someone asks if you're a god, you say YES!" - Ghostbusters
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:27
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "talking critters"
ML> How about quipu?
PS> And the Spanish conquistadores burned most of them, thinking them to
PS> be devices of the Devil. Ignorant fucks.
ML> Well, they WERE Christians, were they not?
Ah, the joys of an education in history.
... Just say "NOOOOOOOOOOOARGHhhhhhh..." to Cthulu.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Math anxiety, ñ 3%.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:27
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Math anxiety, ñ 3%."
PS> And you'll throw differential equations at me, won't you?
ML> Nahhhh...I'll just _integrate_ them into the program.
... "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -Bishop
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: White-lightning Religions
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:27
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lightning Religions"
PS> Nope. I absorb all the moisture I need from eucalyptis leaves. It's
a
PS> koala thing.
ML> How marsupial of you (I'll probably get pouched in the nose for
ML> that one...)
No, I'll aim for the joeys.
PS> Or dead. I think I'm allergic to alcohol.
ML> Gad...that's like being allergic to air...
Perhaps. Add into that the fact that my father's got a bit of a drinking
problem and it all comes out to me being an avowed teetotaler, regardless
of my apparent physiological difficulties with alcohol.
PS> Nah. Twinkies have enough preservatives to mummify the living. But at
PS> least you know one of the more important reasons behind my
PS> teetotalism.
ML> At least it's not a "free-will" decision...
Only partially. Once burned, forever shy. But I'm perfectly happy
without the stuff.
... Beam me up, Scotty!! It ate my phaser!!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:27
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "WHY"
PS> Just like little Smurfs, they are.
ML> I root for Gargamel.
And his cat. It's as much fun as watching a Tarzan movie and rooting for
the crocs, or seeing Star Wars movies and rooting for the Empire.
... Amish pickup line: "Art thee up for some plowing?"
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:27
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "A LITTLE HELP FROM SP"
ML> Especially after a pizza and kegger party.
PS> I don't wanna think about it.
ML> Hey. That's how I survived college...
I've been surviving on caffeine, sugar rushes, quasi-legal stimulants,
and a kind of stubborn energy.
... The only good troll is a fireballed troll!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:28
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Staal shows he's colored"
ML> Or, in Jimbozo's case; the no-noodle pot.
PS> "What? Huh?!"
ML> Noodle, as in "Use your noodle"; ancient retroslang for gray
ML> matter.
ML>
*I*'m not *that* stupid. (sheesh, there goes that assuming that everyone's
an idiot again.)
PS> At least you can eat the catfish.
ML> And lamperys cull the weak.
But there just isn't much to say about the lawyers.
... ... Just when you find out life's a bitch, it has puppies.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:28
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "2 SO, WHY GOD?"
PS> True, but the people in question tend to be offended if I'm correct,
ML> Just tell them that you're offended by their idiocy.
"I resent that!"
"I resent your breathing. So?"
PS> as I will then avoid them or (as actually happened in one of my
PS> classes a couple of semesters ago), go out of my way to show
PS> *everyone* how idiotic they are.
ML> HolySmoke...the board game.
It wasn't much. Someone decided to make an outrageous claim in class and
I asked rather casually, "What evidence do you have of that?" The class
was silent. The teacher got an amused look on his face and repeated the
question for me. The person who'd made the claim got a very flustered
look on his face, and it was all I could do to keep from laughing at him.
... "Bother," said Pooh as his friends left him alone to die.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:28
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "more Dan A. Post"
SW> 9. earthquakes in divers places,
PS> These also have been common throughout history. What makes you think
PS> that they are increasing in frequency?
ML> These "earthquakes in divers places" are very common.
ML> Especially near subduction zones.
I'm not sure Stevie would get the joke.
... Some minds should be cultivated but others plowed under.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Homocrystal sextants.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:28
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Homocrystal sextants."
PS> It could be worse. If he were acute, he'd be that much more focused
on
PS> being a fool.
ML> Odd how one can be so obtuse and such an acute annoyance.
It's a mystery of non-Euclidean geometry.
ML> Egads.
'Swounds.
ML> It's "Contradiction Man! The Walking Clusterfuck!"
^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that possible?
... "Don't worry. Nothing ever happens at first level."
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:28
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "#holysmoke"
PS> I've managed to get Netscape to work from home, and I've heard that
PS> there are plug-ins for it that will act as IRC servers.
ML> AOL says that if I do many different and probably illicit
ML> things, I can maybe, possibly get IRC. Fuquhume. I'll wait
ML> until I get back and go with the SLP server I ordered.
Probably a good idea.
PS> But then, a friend of mine may be getting to set up a local server for
PS> his family's company (ever hear of Dinstuhl's?),
ML> No. But I've heard of Dinsdale.
I'm not surprised. Dinstuhl's is a chocolate company. Good stuff, though
probably not as good as Godiva.
ML> If it's free, it's a Noah count.
Here we go again. TANSTAAFL.
PS> What kind of questions do you ask?
ML> Questions like: "If a person's behaving like a total asshole,
ML> why the fuck can't I point it out to that asshole his
ML> assholism?"
Ever eloquent.
ML> Reply: "Well. Now that's not nice. Besides, maybe you haven't
ML> heard the Word of God today like he has..."
Urgggh.
... "HolySmoke: The Bethlehem of Fido mayhem, as it were." Styx Allum
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:29
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Jesus said "EAT ME!""
PS> Bah, humbug.
ML> "Baby you can drive my car"?
Humbug, I say. *Nobody* but me can drive my car.
ML> Barf on vinyl.
Well, at least it won't stick or stain.
ML> Nixon?
PS> Now *there* was an amusing president.
ML> "I am NOT a crook...
ML> Buy my book."
I just don't trust him. He's dead, and I *still* don't trust him.
... "There aren't enough scoundrels in your life." - Han Solo
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:29
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "COINCIDENCE SEVEN"
PS> And what genius thought up this idea?
DW> I don't remember. It's a fine example of research dollars gone to
DW> waste, though.
Almost like spending $17,000 to find out why people want to escape from
jail. (True story)
... The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind.-H.P. Lovecraft
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:29
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "God's Word..."
PS> This is still silly, Jim. Using the Bible to show that the Bible is
PS> inerrant is like using the words of Richard Nixon to show that he
PS> isn't a crook.
DW> Would you be willing to bet on whether or not Jimbo leaps to Tricky
DW> Dick's defense?
Not at all. I wouldn't put much past him.
DW> If he'll defend Swaggart, he'll defend *anybody*.
Pathetic, really.
... It is all the same nonsense when you work for a lunatic.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: creation
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:29
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "creation"
DW>> There are times when a foil or rapier is the appropriate weapon.
DW>> When the foil is ineffective, one must bring out the hammer and
DW>> mace.
PS> This is true. May I quote you in the future?
DW> Sure. My quotes are shareware, though. Each time you use it, you must
DW> send me one dollar. I do have a bulk rate, too - for $365.25, you can
DW> use it as often as you want for a period of one year. :)
Ah, a capitalist after my own greedy little heart.
... Good lawyers can get sodomy reduced to following to close.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:30
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Hurry! Hurry!"
DW>> I can see I'm going to have to commit *two* homicides when I'm
DW>> next in Memphis. :)
PS> Let me know when you get into town. Maybe the three of us can get
PS> together someplace and talk.
DW> OK. I *might* be home for spring break in the middle of March
DW> (depending on how far behind I am with my projects). If not then,
DW> it'll be sometime after the 11th of May.
Sure. If you don't still have my number, I'll Netmail it to you.
... "We need to get a new bard. All this one does is sing and drink."
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:20:30
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Jim Staal"
PS> It's another example of trying to intimidate us by showing how "big"
PS> he is. *I* can walk into the toughest bar in the city.
PS> Everyone I know could walk into the toughest bar in the city (Walking
PS> *out* may be a slightly different affair, but I don't go looking for
PS> fights the way Jimmy seems to).
DW> I've been in bars where Jimmy's looks alone would get him an
DW> ass-kicking. I've been in other bars where the only way Jimmy would
"That's an awful big guy. Let's kick his ass." I've seen similar things
happen.
DW> get out is in a body-bag. I guess Grand Rapids (or wherever the fuck
DW> he lives) doesn't have that many really rough places.
It's believable. It's Grand Rapids, not Chicago.
... Hole drilled in ladies' room wall; police looking into it.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Lump
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:04:59
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> @MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6cb1
DW> Which of the various Staal personae has the neuron tonight?
DW> 28 Jan 96 17:06, Jim Staal wrote to Steve Quarrella:
JS> with vinegar and you get more out of Lump when you pull his finger
JS> than when you treat him in a rude, cutting manner.
DW> Fuck your imaginary brother.
....Ahhh, this coming from a man who gets off reading about
another man pumpin it once or twice and pulling out....cheap thrills for
you ,huh?
DW> Oh, yeah. Fuck your imaginary wife, too.
....similiar to what you do, huh, first you read about Jimmy
Swaggert doin somebody, then you paint a set of lips on your thumb and
forefinger and its Oooo baby....
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:07:21
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> @MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d6d12
DW> Which of the various Staal personae has the neuron tonight?
DW> 27 Jan 96 19:25, Jim Staal wrote to Lump:
JS> But hey, at least in addition to all the denizens of evil who told you
JS> about it, you a bro who could tell you in love.
DW> We really don't want to hear about the incestual relationship you have
DW> with your imaginary brother, Staalie.
.....and we don't want to hear about your sexual fantasies with
Jimmy Swaggert either, but, you insist on telling us soooo often...
(need another stick of lipstick for that thumb Davie?)
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Lump
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 14:14:17
EID:9ee2 204171c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 311212e1
PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> @MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 310d7879
DW> Which one of the various Staal personae has the neuron tonight?
DW> 28 Jan 96 18:33, Jim Staal wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> fucking stupid,
JS> Pretty, ain't it? Let's clean it up, eh?
FR> farse
FR> farse
FR> shoot
FR> shoot
FR> golly
FR> golly
FR> golly , I could go on like this all night.
FR> BTW, your wife is a silly babe.
DW> 'He'd ask 'Have the cops been hot?' and sometimes I'd say
DW> 'Yes' and he'd get nervous and leave. - Debra Murphree,
DW> refering to Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
......Man, this guy has guite the fantasy about this Jimmy character
See how he changes the name differently than his own?.....
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Definitions for lumpy
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:53:06
EID:cdd3 204196a0
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FREDRIC RICE spoke thusly to STEVE ROSE:
FR>LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do
FR>LB> nothing, let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than
FR>LB> words, and give me the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
FR>
FR> Poor Linda. It's a shame to see someone as nice as her
FR>suffer under the delusions of superstition.
Fred, I'm pretty sure that *wasn't* Lynda.
... Complex problems have simple, wrong answers.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:11:07
EID:43f6 20419960
MSGID: 1:157/200 430206c7
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
KENNETH MCABEE spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
KM>Where's the book that states that the tooth fairy does exist? Where
KM>is the workings of the tooth fairy? All the workings of the tooth
KM>fairy, the easter bunny and Santa Claus is from the parents, not from
KM>themselves. None of these magical beings even claimed to be anything
KM>have they?
Are you that dense? I have . . . 5 books that say elves exist, and go
into the workings of their society, and explain how they have managed to
avoid being noticed for the past 1000 years. Do elves exist?
... Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid doing entirely.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Homosexual christian
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:20:08
EID:1aed 20419a80
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
KAREN DAVIS spoke thusly to MARTY LEIPZIG:
KD> ML> "Not another list, Franz?!?"
KD>
KD> CH> Get a Handel on yourself.
KD>
KD> ML> Now Holst on there, buckaroo.
KD>
KD>
KD>I'm Haydn 'til it's overture!
It'll never be over. Like a clogged toilet, these threads always come
Bach.
... I multitask... I read in the bathroom!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: lest ye forget...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:36:09
EID:f599 20419c80
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
CHRISTIAN MILLER spoke thusly to GWENNY THE:
CM> CM> Why don't you spend your own $$ and call yourself to get a new
CM> CM> copy of that? As I said, all of the "adult" areas have been
CM>Gt> removed. Did you remove them or just change your security level??
CM>Gt> New users on our board can even see that the pagan areas exist.
CM>
CM>Did I stutter? ALL OF THE "ADULT" AREAS HAVE BEEN *_REMOVED_*.
CM>Thank you.
So what, asshole? The point is, they were there.
"Well, yes, Your Honor, I did murder those three people. However, now
that I've been caught, I promise never to do so again."
... General failure reading drive B:... try to rent the movie?
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 01 Feb 96 19:39:10
EID:b60f 20419ce0
MSGID: 1:157/200 430206fa
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
DAN CEPPA spoke thusly to PRESTON SIMPSON:
DC> PS> I know not. Let's find out.
DC>
DC>Did you pick up your feed to it yet? I haven't see a message
DC>from you in there yet. Then, I have seen some message sorta
DC>of defending Staal in there.
Have you seen any of my posts yet?
... Number One, please remove #N@ from the Bridge.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking fundy
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:50:11
EID:c76a 2041a640
MSGID: 1:157/200 4302070b
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
AM> AM>> Natural science by definition precludes God.
AM>
AM> DW>> Please be kind enough to show us where any of the natural
AM> DW>> sciences "preclude" God.
AM>
AM> AM> Huh? what does "natural science" mean to you?
AM>
AM> DW> Irrelevant. You made a statement. I'm asking you to clarify
AM> DW> it. Where do any of the natural sciences "preclude" God. Stop
AM> DW> shuffling and answer the question.
AM>
AM> Must you continue to showcase your ignorance? According to Micheal
AM>Ruse, (please don't ask me who he is as your credibility is already
AM>sinking fast) "The creationists believe the world started
AM>miraculously. But miracles lie outside of science, which by
AM>definition deals with the natural, the repeatable,
AM> that which is governed by law."
Did Worrell say anything about creationists? No. He asked how science
precluded god, a question you dodged. So . . . how does science
preclude a deistic deity?
AM> Now will you please stop embarrassing the other atheists on this
AM>board with your silly questions!
This isn't a board, moron. It's an international echo.
... OK, you lost me when you changed languages.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:53:12
EID:b2ab 2041a6a0
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to KAREN DAVIS:
AM> > bible is a document worthy of consideration. Thats a shame.
AM>Because God > paid a dear price to buy us back. He doesn't want a
AM> > religion, but a relationship with Him. The story of the Old
AM> > Testament is a people God
AM> KD> What price?
AM> The price of God in the form of Jesus Christ being crucified.
ROFL! He god his son back, doofus. Why would an omnipotent god need to
do this anyway?
... Do you know the WHOLE story?? Doesn't look like it.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: Your religion
|Date: 01 Feb 96 20:59:13
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ZAYD ALLEBBAN spoke thusly to SHELBY SHERMAN:
ZA>
ZA>HOLYSMOKE
ZA>-> Exactly what is your religion and why did you choose it?
ZA>
ZA>I'm a Muslim. I didn't really "choose" it, but I was born into it.
ZA>But after growing up and studying other religions, I feel that I'm
ZA>extremely fortunate to be a Muslim; and Islam is not only a religion,
ZA>but a complete way of life.
So is $cientology. What's your point?
... No new mail for you. Want someone else's? (Y/N)
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:54:14
EID:c6a2 20429ec0
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AM> Okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet. I am up to the
AM> challenge! Let me define my contention. That from what can be
AM> extrapolated from scientific facts, there is a probability of us
AM>being here by design thats at least, or more compelling than us
AM>being here by natural impersonal causes.
AM>
AM> Evidence for fine tuning of universe.
[ CUT ]
AM> 25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
AM> if smaller; galaxies would not have formed
AM> if larger; universe would have collasped before solar-type star
AM> could form
Tell me, who wrote this? You? If so, what is exotic matter?
AM> Before I draw any conclusions, let me quote a few scientists
AM> thoughts.
AM> Paul Davies " The laws of physics seem themselves to be a
AM> product of exceedingly ingenious design"
So?
AM> George Greenstein (scientist,author) expressed these thoughts,"
AM> As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistantly arises
AM> that some supernatural agency-or rather, Agency-must be involved.
AM> Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have
AM> stumbled upon scientific proof of the existance of a supreme
AM> being? Was it God who so providentially crafted the cosmos for
AM> our benefit?" ( From The Symbiotic Universe)
Heh. First, even if this evidence for a god, it is by no means evidence
for your god; and secondly, while I'll admit that if the constants were
different, we probably wouldn't exist here, I don't see what relevance
that has to god. We aren't that important, you know.
AM> This evidence I've presented is for the universe at large. There
AM> are another 32 parameters that have to be satisfied for a planet
AM> like our to develop.
So? Ever thought we evolved to suit the planet?
... Anybody can be born right-handed. Only the best of us overcome it.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:55:15
EID:611c 20429ee0
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CHRISTIAN MILLER spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
CM>What? Do you think every Christian believer has gone to
CM>Seminary(sp?)?
CM>KD> 2Kings 2:23
CM>KD> 23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going
CM>KD> up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city,
CM>KD> and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up,
CM>KD> thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and
CM>KD> cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two
CM>KD> she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of
CM>KD> them. 25 And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from
CM>KD> thence he returned to Samaria.
CM>The prophets of the Old Testament were representatives of God. To
CM>mock the prophets were to mock God. It was not tolerated.
CM>
CM>Jesus brought forgiveness to the world, before that, you had to be on
CM>your best behavior at all times.
And you worship this being? Why?
... "Mawwage. Mawwage is wot bwings us togever today..." - The Bishop
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Abortion enslaves wom
|Date: 02 Feb 96 22:26:16
EID:5fc3 2042b340
MSGID: 1:157/200 43020760
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JUDITH BANDSMA spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JB>-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB>
JB> Missed this the first time. Ever heard Leslie Fish's "Feline
JB> KDM> American Princess?" If not, I'll send you the lyrics.
JB>
JB>I would appreciate that. I can't find anything by her here.
No problem.
Feline American Princess
Leslie Fish
Aren't I kind to allow you to live in my house?
Aren't I gracious to grant you the use of my chair?
Aren't I wonderful when I give you a dead mouse?
Aren't I utterly, totally beyond compare?
And don't you admire the virtues you see,
in marvelous, lovely, magnificent me-ow, meow?
I will carefully shed just selected dark hair
when I'm lying on all the white laundry you did,
and the black hairs will go when I bother to lair
on black velvet where they can't be brushed off or hid.
They look so much better that way you'll agree;
they'll remind you of lovely, magnificent me-ow, meow.
If you try to insist that I live on dry food,
I will either look thin and pathetic and sad,
or else I will do something disgusting and rude,
such as eat it, and throw up all over your pad.
Only chicken, and live and fish, naturally,
are fit for the palate of marvelous me-ow, meow.
I really don't understand why you should look
at anything else or have things in your hands,
so I'll patiently lie on your papers or books,
to insist that you treat me as my rank demands.
You really should pet me when your hands are free,
it's a privilege to fondle magnificent me-ow, meow.
For just when you're maddest at something I've done,
I'll go do something else that's so touching and sweet
charming, adorable, silly, or fun, that it'll just
knock the stockings right off of your feet.
Now you know you can't win, so why fight it?
You see, I know you're a sucker for marvelous me-ow, meow.
I know you're a sucker for marvelous me!
I've got the addresses of some filk dealers who sell Leslie's tapes;
would you like them?
... Always smile. It makes people wonder what you're up to.
* CMPQwk 1.42 602 * Internet: kdm2@po.cwru.edu *
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:01:07
EID:b845 20431820
}:> An lo Lynda did give unto Norbert a parable on talking critters <:(
NS> Not to mention that the five civilized tribes (lemme see if I can
NS> remember them without looking them up: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw,
NS> Creek, and Seminole...hope I got the spellings right) were also the
NS> biggest contributors in this country to the relief funds and food
NS> contributions for the Irish starving during the great Potato Famine.
LB> Now, that's interesting! As Irish-Cherokee, I've been surprised at
LB> the number of other people I've met with the same heritage -- I never
LB> realized that at some point there was an official connection between
LB> the two!
More than that, usually the Five Civilized Tribes were also the only
ones to regularly intermarry with the (gasp) Irish when they came
over. The two peoples were of the same social strata. BTW, I'm
Choctaw-Irish, my wife is Seminole-Irish-Creole. (My sources, should
you want to find more, are The Great Hunger by Cecil Woodham-Smith
(ISBN 0-88029-385-3 and The Five Civilized Tribes by Grant Foreman
(ISBN 0-8061-0923-8). The latter book is tremendously (almost
overwhelmingly) anglo in nature. The Five Civilized Tribes were called
that because they were the most `conformable' of the Native American
tribes on the East Coast. I. e., they could be made to be very Anglo.
Of course, this allowed them to partake of the ultimate shame: the
ownership of slaves.
To sort of keep to the topicality of the room, I'd like to share a
couple of passages from the latter book that indicates some of the
trouble the evangelists had in converting the `heathen'. While they
were for the most part accommodations (mores the pity), there were the
discontents who cared not at all for the anglo faith.
When there was first talk in a certain area of Mississippi of putting
up a mission to `give the heathen the Gospel', some of the chiefs were
notably upset about the idea:
"We want a school, but we don't want any preaching; for we find
that preaching breaks up all our old customs -- our feasts, ball plays
and dances -- which we want to keep up." -- Creek Chief Roley McIntosh
However, with the local militia, etc., behind him, as well as the state
and federal government at that time, the Rev. Loughridge insisted.
Eventually, both parties agreed upon one dwelling that would serve as
both school and mission, with the preaching almost solely confined to
the mission building. Still, it wasn't popular:
"The Indians around were friendly, but very shy and irregular in
their attendance at the mission; while the most of them were devotedly
attached to their old customs and superstitions." -- Mrs. Loughridge
The stalwart (ick) fundamentalists persevered, though, and eventually
swung more than 50% of the local tribe as converts. After that, it was
all downhill for that branch of the Creek:
"In 1845 they had in the Methodist organization three local
preachers, 16 exhorters, and 375 church members. However, they were
obliged to contend with the opposition of some of the chiefs, who
feared the Christian religion would destroy their influence."
-- Rev. Loughridge
BTW, I'd like to know if anyone can find the definition for exhorter.
I've mislaid my dictionary and don't have the exact definition for it
right now, but they would seem to fulfill (judging just from the name)
the same function as evangelists going door to door, plying the Xtian
wares.
B*B
NS
... As soon as you realize I'm God, we'll get along... -- My wife.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Adolph Hitler (yawn)
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:09:04
EID:c82c 20431920
}:> An lo Michael did give unto David a parable on Adolph Hitler (yawn)
<:(
DR> To all Christians: he's one of yours.
MH> If Hitler was such a good Christian, how come he wanted the Bible
MH> taken out of churches in Germany and replaced with Mein Kampf?
In the best of Xtian traditions, he wanted to replace a book that was
earned him no money with a book he'd written so that he could get boffo
royalties, as well as a good ego job, as he wanted the Nazi party to
fulfill the role of a religion for the populace. It was a God Trip.
See...wasn't that easy? };)
'course, maybe he was hoping to attract the attention of Reader's
Digerst so he could get a good Condensed Book Deal...you never know
about them thar writer fellers...
NS
... I am Shakespeare of Borg. Prepare to be, or not to be.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: death
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:28:00
EID:d548 20431b80
}:> An lo Michael did give unto Shelby a parable on death <:(
MH> That would also be in accord with Christian teachings, since nowhere
MH> in the Bible are we promised easy deaths. In fact, the one Christian
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
MH> martyr whose death is recorded in the Bible -- Stephen -- was stoned
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
MH> to death, hardly an easy way to go. Jesus hung on a cross with nails
MH> through his hands and feet. Also hardly an easy way to go.
Waitacottonpickenminutehere...you DON'T consider Jesus either a
Christian (he was supposedly the Christ after all) OR a martyr?
Then what's all the fuss about?
};)
NS
... **FLASH** Energizer bunny arrested, charged with battery.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Roland
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:34:10
EID:b46c 20431c40
}:> An lo Roland did give unto ALL a parable on dinosaurs? <:(
Ro> I am a christain.. And i believe most of the Christian ideas. But i
Ro> have on question....
Hello Roland!
Ro> In Genesis 1:24 God created all animals on the earth..and later that
Ro> day he created man. In his image...
Ro> But scientist have proven that there was 65 million years between the
Ro> death of the dinosaurs and the beginning of man....
Ro> Did God create dinosaurs at the same time as man? Or did God create
Ro> dinosaurs before that, perhaps as his first try at a living world..then
Ro> realize that the dinosaurs were incapable of worshiping him and destroy
Ro> them...Then 65 million years later create man.
Well, regardless of how man and dinosaurs came about (I'll let the
welcome wagon brigade introduce themselves...), since you know
that scientists have estimated that there were millions of years
before, then you should know a bit about the archealogical/paleological
findings. Clearly, the strata containing dinosaur fossils ends
millions of years before any of the hominid fossils actually start to
appear. Ergo, man and dinosaur never inhabited the same world, except
on Saturday Midnight Movies. Okay?
Ro> If anyone has any answers to my question..or any ideas, please leave
a
Ro> message here in this echo for me...
Cya
NS
PS: it _is_ possible that God created man and dinosaurs at the same
time and just kept man in the freezer for a bit to serve later.
God strikes me as the type of guy that would think ahead that
way...}:)
... 3rd great joke on society by the Scots: They eat haggis & call it food
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Blaising Pascals
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:40:36
EID:a7cf 20431d00
}:> An lo Michael did give unto Jim a parable on Evidence!? <:(
MH> "If there were no obscurity, man would not be sensible of his
MH> corruption; if there were no light, man would not hope for a remedy.
MH> Thus, it is not only fair, but advantageous to us, that God be
MH> partly hidden and partly revealed; since it is equally dangerous to
MH> man to know God without knowing his own wretchedness, and to know his
MH> own wretchedness without knowing God." -- Pascal, "Pensees" No. 586.
"I have only made this letter rather long because I have not had
time to make it shorter." -- Pascal
Your turn.
NS
... Careful planning is the key to safe and swift travel. -- Ulysses
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:49:45
EID:0353 20431e20
}:> An lo Steve did give unto Karen a parable on Fundy Follies! <:(
SR> Karen Davis wrote in a message to Christian Miller:
CM> I don't see any "Zeus, Odin, or Gaia" Bibles out there.
KD> A Bible is not a prerequisite for being a god.
SR> Gaia tells it like it really is. She don't need no steenkin' book of
SR> fables! :)
Besides, She's got her gig with the Planeteers to think of. I haven't
Yahweh in any syndicated cartoon yet...and I've noticed that his book
almost has to be give away...
};)
... "I hate Victor Hugo," said Les, miserably.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: legend
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:08:09
EID:6087 20432100
}:> An lo Michael did give unto Dan a parable on legend <:(
DC> And, by the same token, are you going to accept _'Salem's Lot_
DC> as true? After all, you have to, just based on what you said above.
MH> Salem's Lot is a novel, Danny -- an acknowledged work of fiction. The
MH> author tells us from the outset to not take it as true.
It does? Can you quote from it the passage at the beginning where the
author tells everyone that it's just not true? I've read all of Stephen
King's books, and I don't recall him putting out a disclaimer at the
beginning of a novel. I'd very much like to see your quote on this.
Cya
NS
... Yahweh, the only God too persnickety to ever get a Goddess...
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: names
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:12:06
EID:bc5d 20432180
}:> An lo Michael did give unto Robert a parable on names <:(
MH> Why is it that some of the NC's (non-Christians) here seem to think
MH> there's some major wit in changing the names of groups or objects or
MH> deities held dear by people they dislike? I never see Christians
MH> doing this, but from the NC's I see a regular barrage: Gawd, Ghod,
MH> Jaysus, Jeezus, Book of Moron, Jehovah's Witless, Holy Babble, and now
MH> SewAge Crystalweenism.
MH> Isn't this really kind of childish?
Yes. Your point?
NS
... "Is this sodomy?" asked Frank, half in Earnest.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: One God
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:15:07
EID:9325 204321e0
}:> An lo DAVID did give unto BRAD a parable on One God <:(
BJ> I would like to point out some good news, I found
BJ> about God[sic].
DR> He's dead.
...And there was much rejoicing.
(yay)
... And there was much rejoicing. -- Monty Python's Holy Grail.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Verbo sap
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:25:54
EID:5ebc 20432320
}:> An lo Don did give unto Jose a parable on Verbo sap <:(
DM> Cultures of potential reservoir sites, including prostate,
DM> urethra, perineum, and rectum, were simultaneously obtained
DM> with urine cultures from patients randomized to the
DM> treatment group. Among those with recurrent UTI, DNA typing
DM> of bacterial isolates was done using the polymerase chain
DM> reaction (PCR) technique.
Gee, I don't want to _ever_ go on a picnic with your guys! I thought
deviled eggs were gross...
NS
... Abstain from wine, women, and song; mostly song
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: -------
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:25:08
EID:b132 203fab20
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101674
-=> J.j. Hitt invoked Re: ------- which summoned Luke Clark<=-
RM>> Yea, but they don't say which one do they? Yal Bu Yan
RM>> is the Freemasons' god.
LC> It's JaBulOn.I'm starting to wonder if THAT wasn't taken
LC> out of context too.
JH> Of course it is. It's from the York Rite and most Blue Lodge
JH> (ie: plain vanilla) Masons are totally unfamiliar with it.
That's what I thought.
JH> It's a symbolic lesson teaching tolerance of other religions.
JH> It's not a "masonic god".
They also started harping about using Lucifer and Allah as 'God-Names'
as well.
LC> (Freemasonry often attracts those with a flair for pomp and
LC> pageantry, as well for the dramatic. Crowley was a Freemason, as
LC> were the founders of the Golden Dawn and OTO).
JH> I knew Wynn Wescott was a Mason and Mathers probably was, but are
JH> you sure about Crowley? Where did he become a Mason? My guess would
JH> be it almost had to be France or some other place where lodges are
JH> organized under an "Orient" instead of a "Grand" lodge. The two
JH> organizations don't recognize each other, and to an Englishman's
JH> point of view this would have made Crowley a "renegade" Mason.
It was one of John Yarkers lodges.I have a picture of his 33rd Degree
certificate in front of me.His degree was why he was allowed to
skip to the 7th Degree OTO when he joined.He quickly worked the
other degrees until he was appointed Head of England and gained
the Honorary 10th degree.He was an initiate of the "Ancient and Accepted
Scottish Rite of Masonry".
Luke
JH> Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
JH> -!- Msgedsq 2.2e
JH> ! Origin: Saint Elmo's Fire Hydrant (Houston) (1:106/9788.2)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Ankerberg
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:30:10
EID:00cf 203fabc0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311017a2
-=> Jim Staal invoked Ankerberg which summoned Katherine Wintersnight<=-
-=> Quoting Luke Clark to Katherine Wintersnight <=-
KW> There are Pagan Masons.
JS> According to John Ankerberg, all of 'em are...
Jim, don't believe everything people tell you.
Especially when it comes to secret societies.
Luke
... Jean-Luc, I just love your new hairstyle! - Q
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: Elrod Hubbub
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:42:12
EID:5512 203fad40
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101a74
-=> J.j. Hitt invoked Elrod Hubbub which summoned Luke Clark<=-
JH> Could you do me the favor of locating the actual source for his
JH> comments?
Hmm... It'll take me a bit.
Luke
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Re: FOF=child abuse
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:53:14
EID:1494 203faea0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101d0a
-=> Lynda Bustilloz invoked FOF=child abuse which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LB> Larry and Luke were killing time yakking about FOF=child abuse:
LC> Of course, if the christians had their way, EVERYONE would be nice
LC> bible reading, church going, decent folk and 'blasphemous' books
LC> by 'Nietzsche', 'Lovecraft', 'Rand', 'Crowley', and others would
LC> be burned.How like the Nazis.
LB>
LB> NONSENSE! Can you seriously see either Al or I or Dick
LB> Holm banning or burning
LB> books -- any books?! Between Al and I, we've READ every author you
LB> mention. Please don't paint Christians with such a broad brush!
You've allready had trouble with the Fundamentalists on this echo.
They're the ones that are vying for political power and frankly,
I think that most Christians are closer to the fundamentalists than
to you or Al.Face it, that masses are mice and will follow the piper
to their doom.They'll even pay him for it.
Luke
... (can't wait till I get my taglines back... :)
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 31 Jan 96 21:57:16
EID:376e 203faf20
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101dfc
-=> J.j. Hitt invoked hi which summoned Andrew Masten<=-
AM> The satanic bible is a book written by Anton Lavey. Who is a
AM> leader of the church of satan. He believes Satan is an icon
AM> [...]
JH> What happens when you double-click on Satan?
JH>
It shows a picture of Bill Gates.
Luke
... How DARE you take advantage of MY blithering idiot! - Ren
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: Hi
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:00:18
EID:b051 203fb000
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101eb2
-=> Al Schroeder invoked RE: HI which summoned J.j. Hitt<=-
AS> translated by the King James. And no one who believes in the
AS> Judeo-Christian God denies Him the power to cause calamity or disaster
AS> against those He disagrees with. Just ask Moses' Pharoah or Israel
AS> through much of its history.
How does that make him any different than Satan?
Luke
... 1944 Germany: "Sieg Heil!" 1994 America: "Dittos, Rush!"
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:05:20
EID:c44b 203fb0a0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31101fe0
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked hi which summoned Chris Leblond<=-
KW> Satanism usual refers to the Church of Set, or to any of the various
Church of Satan.The Temple of Set worships Set, who they feel was
the basis of Satan.Their philosophy is far more complex than the
CoS's.
Luke
... Man creates his own Heaven....his own Hell....
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: I'M BACK
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:17:22
EID:110b 203fb220
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311022b2
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: I'M BACK which summoned Luke Clark<=-
LC> -=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Re: I'M BACK which
LC> -=> summoned Luke Clark<=-
KW> What do you want, Luke? To get into a 'who gets picked on the most'
KW> contest? The fact remains that most christians have no idea what a
KW> Thelemite (sp?) is, but they do most certainly know what a witch is.
DO you think they care? I'm a 'Devil Worshipping Atheist' to them,
because I have the audacity to challenge the sacred cows they put up.
And I don't doubt you've been through more shit than me.I'm only
15.
LC> You haven't lived until you've had every move you made studied
LC> KW> by the fundies with their binoculars from across the lake.
LC>I've been backed up by a guy at least 6'5 and told that if he even
LC>thought I sent a demon after him, he'd smoke my ass.
KW> Try being seven months pg, and having your husband lose his job over
a
KW> trivial excuse (they couldn't put 'he wears a 'witch's star' on his
KW> termination papers'). Then deal with his heartbreak and anger as he
KW> realizes that he was unofficially blacklisted as he job hunts. Oh,
KW> yeah, that bitch with the crosses and cross stitched bible quotes all
KW> over the personal office was a real charitable xtian.
Try being slammed against the counter and slowly choked, than barely
getting away.Also being threatened with being thrown out on the street,
because 'I won't have this devil-worshipping in my house".
LC> That was
LC> KW> the most frightening weekend I have ever been through, esp. as the
LC> KW> local park rangers were acting skittish, and the sheriff kept
LC> KW> inspecting us, looking for who knows what.
LC> People are assholes.
KW>
KW> Well, at least some of them are.
Agreed.
Luke
... Nice argument; too bad it was killed by those vicious facts.
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Satanista, no! Pinde
|Date: 31 Jan 96 22:32:24
EID:c543 203fb400
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 31102638
-=> Katherine Wintersnight invoked Satanista, no! Pindeho, s which summoned
Gwenny The Pooh<=-
KW> My version reads: 'An it harm none, Do what thou wilt be the whole of
KW> the law. Love is the law, love under will.' Does anyone have the
KW> exact wording of Crowley's 'Law'?
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Liber Legis- I:40
"Love is the law, love under will." Liber Legis- I:57
Luke
... But soft, what light through yonder tagline breaks?
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Re: Holiday Greetings...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 23:19:26
EID:eb0e 203fba60
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3110313e
-=> Fredric Rice invoked Holiday Greetings... which summoned Jose Gomez<=-
JG> I was deeply involved in the occult when I was younger. My family
JG> comes from a long line of Santeria (Cuban voodoo). Though there was
JG> so much power in magic and the occult, I have seen no power greater
JG> than that of my God.
FR> You exchanged one set of superstitions for another. I'm not
FR> impressed.
At least Santeria's a bit more exciting.Or so I've heard.
Luke
... If this post is off topic, the devil made me do it.
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Re: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 31 Jan 96 23:22:28
EID:45c3 203fbac0
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311031f4
-=> Norbert Sykes invoked Re: Hurry! Hurry! which summoned Asmodeus<=-
}:> An lo, Asmodeus did give unto J.J. a parable on Re: Hurry! Hurry! <:(
As> And what shit might that be? What great devices would I require to
As> send an assault on such a weakling as yourself?
NS> A brain, Mr. Tinman...
Scarecrow wanted a brain.Tinman wanted a heart.
Luke
... A minds journey begins with a single "Why?": Confucius
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|From: Luke Clark
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Tsk...
|Date: 31 Jan 96 23:44:30
EID:f00d 203fbd80
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3110371e
-=> Jim Staal invoked Tsk... which summoned John Prewett<=-
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to John Prewett <=-
JB> I know just what a bigotted, hateful asshole you are.
JS> Can't these people see how hypocritical these statements are? Fred
JS> Rice makes them, this poor deluded woman makes them - every one of
JS> these tormented Godless souls has this horrible, rageful, hate filled
JS> spiritual void that brings this sort of hypocritical judgement out of
JS> them to be vented against God's elect.
Hmm... Do you consider Prewett to be one of God's elect?
If so, that means you support his JFK/Antichrist theory.
If you don't, then itso defacto he can't be one of the elect (At least
if you are).
Why don't you ask him about it?
Luke
... Hmmm...Hastur, He who must not be named --oops$%*&# NO CARRIER
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:18:59
EID:4d84 20428240
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31 Jan 96 00:03, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Marty Leipzig:
ML>>> Although I am loathe to admit, I do have an active AOL
ML>>> account
ML>>> (for business reasons).
CH> That's what they all say.
I bet he claims to get Hustler for the articles, too.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:23:02
EID:a741 204282e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123ad1
01 Feb 96 14:22, Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon Henshaw:
ML> Winsock.dll, and a program called mIRC, configure it correctly
ML> Piss on that. I'm getting my own SLP account and Netscape; and
ML> telling AOL to preform certain calisthenic stunts which have
ML> to do with toroidal pastries locomoting down gravel roads.
Get mIRC, too. It is the best IRC client that I've seen, and it is free.
You can use it with your SLIP account. Netscape's IRC client blows (and
it drinks bourbon, but I don't guess you'd mind that part).
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:24:59
EID:c12d 20428300
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123b1c
01 Feb 96 14:11, Marty Leipzig wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> I've managed to get Netscape to work from home, and I've heard
PS>> that there are plug-ins for it that will act as IRC servers.
Those plug-ins suck. Get mIRC.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [1/2] COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 02 Feb 96 13:42:44
EID:a554 20426d40
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01 Feb 96 01:04, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> That's all well and good, Lynda (and yes, I read all of it).
DW>> Would you consider me a good parent, though, if I let some of my
DW>> children starve while others had more than they could ever eat?
LB> below, God is in a category of one.
I wouldn't go that far. There are plenty of other beings in the same category
as God - the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the Boogeyman, Zeus, Apollo, Thor,
Kali, etc (i.e., the set of beings that do not exist). :)
LB> No comparison is going to be an
LB> ideal match. But, I was more discussing bad choices rather than
LB> natural catastrophes -- and starvation falls into both categories.
As
LB> coldhearted as it sounds, there seems to be a good reason for natural
LB> disasters -- maybe not good for humans, but but for the ecosphere as
a
LB> whole. And I'm not going to be the one to say that God is willing to
LB> screw things up for the planet just for our benefit. OTOH, those
LB> "natural" catastrophes that are engineered by poor human
LB> decision making, and starvation that occurs because we tend to be
LB> wastful in times of plenty, and hoard our resources -- or even dispose
LB> of them rather than share them freely -- well, David, that's US doing
LB> it to US.
Would you be a good parent if you had enough food for all of your children
but let your oldest child, through stupidity and greed, starve your youngest
child? I could see making each of us responsible for our own actions, but
making some poor kid in Africa bear the brunt of our bad choices is rather
sadistic.
LB> And God has told us not to do that.
Yet he created us with a very selfish streak. Hmmm....
LB> he's given it freely to us. I know that many here say he should just
LB> make it impossible for us to make selfish or harmful choices, but I
LB> just can't figure out a way in which that would work.
You don't claim to be omnipotent.
LB> just can't grasp it. And just saying "Hey he's God, he should be able
LB> to figure it out" sounds as goofy as Ken saying God can whip the
LB> universe around the earth, cause He's God, or Christian saying God can
LB> squeeze the entire animal kingdom into a small nonseaworthy vessal
LB> because He's God.
If he is omnipotent all those things *are* possible, no matter how goofy
they sound to us. Of course, if he is whipping the universe around the Earth
or if he did cram all the animals into that boat, then he's guilty of lying.
DW>> Maybe I should have said. "... those 'omni-' words nail your ass
DW>> every time."
LB> Now, that I'll agree with -- if something is omnieverything, there are
LB> so many built in contradictions that it all becomes meaningless.
Exactly my point. God is described as omni-everything. You might not go
in for the omni-everything bit, but millions of Christians (some of them
having a better theological education than either of us) believed just that.
Some of these Christians even tortured and killed those who refuse to believe
the omni-everything nonsense.
If I was to go out killing people in the name of Lynda Bustilloz, wouldn't
you try to do something to stop me?
Please don't turn Mikey on me and try to tell me that your version of God
has been the mainstream version for the last two millenia.
LB> suffer). Sometimes inaction is the best course -- even when
LB> it's
LB> heartbreakingly difficult not to jump in and do something that would
LB> help in the short term, and to hell with long term consequences.
Sure it is. Please enlighten me as to how letting entire continents starve
to death is the best course of action.
DW>> I agree that 'suffering' builds character. There are limits,
DW>> though.
LB> Uh. that wasn't quite what I was meaning to convey -- I don't think
LB> suffering is NECESSARY -- that is, I don't seek out ways to make my
LB> children suffer, just to build their character. THAT would be
LB> sadistic, IMO.
That's not what I was suggesting, either.
LB> But WHEN they are faced with something that causes
LB> them suffering, I would like to see that pain turned into
LB> something valuable.
What has the suffering of generations of Africans (and countless others)
turned into?
LB> Agreed, strongly! I think if you put God and us on a line graph it
LB> would be like this:
LB> G -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+-xxx--xxx
LB> -x-x-x
Not quite. Try this.
G ---Me-------------------------------------------the rest of you mortals
:)
LB> has the inside track on what God's thinking. Maybe if we could see
it
LB> all from God's view, it would make sense -- like a parent holding a
LB> baby still while it gets blood drawn makes sense to the parent, and
LB> looks like pure sadism to the baby. And insulting to boot, since the
LB> adult holding the kid still is supposed to be a source of
LB> unconditional love.
God knows that his actions (or lack thereof) cause many of us to relegate
him to the status of either a myth or a monster not fit to worship. He does
nothing to change this state of affairs.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [2/2] COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:02:19
EID:b027 20427040
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31121a12
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 3110baf4
LB> turns out that all this is some game being played by Q, I promise to
LB> give him a patented Lynda-rant about it as soon as I discover that.
He'll just accuse you of sucking up. :)
LB> Because if God IS the monster you portray, there isn't much else
LB> I can do, is there?
God would have to exist to be a monster - I'm just trying to point out that
the contradictions inherent in his description make it unlikely he exists.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: buttpimple satanist on dope
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:16:21
EID:baf8 20428200
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311238f2
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61700d5f
01 Feb 96 01:39, J.J. Hitt wrote to Fredric Rice:
JH> Munchkin voice: Are you a Good Satanist or a Bad Satanist?
How do you know what Staalie's voice sounds like?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Dan A. Post
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:12:33
EID:6240 20428180
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30 Jan 96 04:33, Dan A. Post wrote to Gwenny The Pooh:
DP> BTW, I feel for you, and hope that you one day discover the truth.
I hope that one day you tell us just how you found out about those cliterectomies.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:09:25
EID:6b99 2042a920
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31127ddb
01 Feb 96 07:45, Judith Bandsma wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> What kind of reward do I get?
JB> Whipped cream and cherries on the chocolate pie.
I ain't a-eatin' that damned chocolate pie.
Unless, of course, Wintersnight shows up in that "outfit" (if it can be
called that) that she described. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:30:23
EID:333f 204283c0
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01 Feb 96 12:09, Aaron Boyden wrote to Ryan Shaw:
AB> subsidize Western farmers than to help poor Africans. It's our trade
AB> policies, which hinder third world exports
What exports? We've got shit and sand here, why import it from some third
world country?
AB> and thus deprive them of the cash they need to finance
AB> development,
We *give* them cash which can be used to finance development. Their leaders
would rather spend it on pretty uniforms for their military forces and grand
mansions for themselves.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 02 Feb 96 15:58:45
EID:a291 20427f40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311235f7
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89150E15
Suppose that a waveform s(t) is used to transmit a binary 1 and that -s(t)
is used to transmit a binary 0. The question then arises as to the best
choice of s(t). We start by assuming that the transmitted pulses are generated
using an impulse fed through an ideal lowpass filter. The assumed pulse
is therefore of the form [(sin(pi*t)/T)/((pi*t)/T))]. This pulse has the
property that it goes through zero at every sampling point except for the
point at time zero. Therefore, in the intersymbol interference analysis,
Sm is zero for all non-zero m, and we have no intersymbol interference.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:27:35
EID:1807 20428360
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123bfc
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 311142e5
01 Feb 96 13:20, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to Kevin D. Mckenzie:
KDM>> We're talking about child abuse, or murder,
KDM>> or starvation, or war, or something similar.
LB> With the occasional exception of starvation (which is sometimes just
LB> the natural side effect of weather) all of those are humans
LB> victimizing humans. God HAS done something about it.
And that would be?
LB> Of course I do something about my children choosing to
LB> victimizing one another -- I ban it, and if and when it happens,
LB> I punish the offense.
Do you wait 70-odd years to enact this punishment, allowing them to continue
victimizing each other?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: do the militias have any intelligent members?
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:33:02
EID:7b87 2042ac20
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01 Feb 96 17:16, Terry Liberty-Parker wrote to All:
TP> Hello All!
Bugger off before I sick the jack-booted thugs on you, you paranoid git.
Go play in traffic, try to blow up a federal building, or something like
that, ok?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Fillibuster.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:04:49
EID:2a10 20428080
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123658
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31 Jan 96 14:52, Kenneth Mcabee wrote to Martin Goldberg:
KM> If we had been made from the beginning without a choice of good or
KM> bad, we might as well have been robots.
Does God have "a choice of good or bad"?
KM> We would not have had a will
KM> of our own.
Does God have a "will of [his] own"?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:15:34
EID:770e 2042a9e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31127f0a
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 32aed94a
31 Jan 96 14:09, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> were incapable of holding contradictory positions? Whoever said
DW>> that the actions of people had to make sense?
KW> Point conceded. I don't even always make sense to myself. :)
Nor to us. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:06:13
EID:891f 204280c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123694
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89150E13
Learn to fucking quote.
30 Jan 96 21:15, Jose Gomez wrote to Aaron Boyden:
JG> name of God. The actual spelling is JHWH. The pronunciation was long
JG> But, just to set it straight, the actual name is YHWH
Which is it, dipshit?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:08:02
EID:246e 2042a900
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31127d81
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 96ab3189
31 Jan 96 14:09, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW> KW>> However I
DW> KW>> am a hellaciously good cook. ;)
DW>> That's one of the most important things, anyway. Anything else is
DW>> just icing on the cake. :)
KW> Don't tell me, you won't settle for canned frosting.
Not from a self-proclaimed "hellaciously good cook".
Get those shoes off and start cookin'. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: I'M BACK
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:16:02
EID:246e 2042aa00
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31127f33
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 96ab3189
31 Jan 96 14:09, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW> KW>> You are a sweet kid, David, but before you get your hormones
DW> KW>> all stirred up, remember that I'm a middle aged mommy person.
DW>> You just had to go and ruin my fantasy, didn't you? :)
KW> Hey, there's always a new one on down the road.
How'd you know?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: I've found a Real, True Xtian
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:18:07
EID:d5a8 2042aa40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31128005
REPLY: 1:147/48 2ae17c7e
01 Feb 96 01:08, LES WILCOX wrote to KAREN DAVIS:
KD>> Wave Rider- 1993, 1994 by Doug Crocker
KD>> Introduction
KD>> This program is shareware. You may use this demo copy for 30 days,
KD>> after that it must be registered. See the included regwr.wri for
LW> I didn't ask you to make up your own version. It must be registered
LW> if I want the fully operational version. I don't! ^^^^
Does it make you proud to freely associate with theives, liars, and other
such dipshits?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:21:56
EID:3546 204282a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123a5a
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 100c6574
01 Feb 96 12:51, Styx Allum wrote to Fredric Rice:
SA> (And Bush obviously was not a genuine fundy - he merely knew how
SA> to gain support from the theistic masses by faking it.)
He wasn't a fundy? What else do you call a man who claims that he doesn't
think atheists should be allowed citizenship?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: All
|Sub: Korntron takes a pee.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:34:31
EID:aa2b 20428440
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123d55
REPLY: 1:3666/402@fidonet.org 6178f96f
30 Jan 96 13:17, Walter Bartoo wrote to All:
WB> Hi All: What an exicting awakening. Boy have I learned! My first
WB> visit to the Docters
Can someone tell me why a StarPerson/Commander/John-the-Baptist/etc needs
a human doctor?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:05:15
EID:62cb 204270a0
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01 Feb 96 02:10, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
DW>>> I had 5" spike heels in mind, actually... ;)
LB>> You're *sure* you trust me with something that could be used as a
LB>> weapon? ;)
DW>> Sure, you're just a woman. What harm could you possibly do?
DW>> (Before you bring up that evil harlot Loreena Bobbit, I've
DW>> already planned for that - do the words "duct tape" mean anything
DW>> to you?) :)
LB> Duct tape might offer a short term solution, but I really think
LB> surgery would be required if you ever planned on using the thing
LB> again. (G)
The duct tape was for you, blondie. I can deal with you when I'm
awake (as long as there are no frying pans in the house), but I'd have to
sleep eventually.
LB> Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
LB> ... We have engaged the Borg. A June wedding is planned.
LB> -+- IM2.29+/FE1.45a+/PB2.12+
LB> + Origin: Xtians are uncomplicated beings: pure and simpleton.
LB> (1:109/601)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: More dan a. post
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:28:26
EID:e7f6 2042ab80
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REPLY: 1:157/200 411201df
31 Jan 96 19:51, Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH>> I got this nifty hematite encrusted toaster when I opened my
JH>> account with First International Jewish Bankers Savings and Loan.
KM> How many ATM cards did they give you? I got 5.
Both of you guys got robbed. *I* got a free account on "that computer in
Brussels".
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:07:54
EID:1809 204280e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31123763
30 Jan 96 18:36, Brad Jackson wrote to Ryan Shaw:
BJ> This is correct you didn't, but I have been told that I should pass
BJ> on the word of God to others like yourself.
Were you told to keep passing it on until you have completely annoyed people
and driven them even further from your God?
BJ> Matthew 5:16
BJ> Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
BJ> works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Damp your light, shithead. We don't want to see it.
BJ> God Loves even the sinner, but hates the sin!!
Then let him take the sinner to Heaven and send the sin to hell.
BJ> I will leave you with these thoughts until next we meet!
Thoughts? Do you have any thoughts of your own, or are they all cribbed
from that Babble you thump?
BJ> God Bless
Satan Fuck
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Star detracktor
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:13:55
EID:1b7b 2042a9a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31127ee4
REPLY: 1:157/200 41120201
31 Jan 96 20:05, Kevin D. Mckenzie wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I've also noticed that Starfleet seems to have a breast size
DW>> requirement. I can't remember *ever* seeing a woman who could be
DW>> called flat-chested on any of the episodes.
KM> Of course not. And don't forget Troi's uniform for the first . . .
KM> seven seasons, I think it was.
That outfit was too much (or should I say too little - it was about two
sizes too small) for even a slug like me. *Some* things should be left
to the imagination.
I was rather attached to that low-cut blue dress she started wearing in
the later episodes, though.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:07:46
EID:c8c7 204270e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31121b6b
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 6170cbc3
01 Feb 96 02:55, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
GtP>>>> ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping folk of
GtP>>>> the Middle East were living in cities with paved streets, knew
GtP>>>> how to work metal and had writing when the progenitors of
JH>>> You have a source for this claim?
DW>> Sure. Unfortunately, the source was drowned with Atlantis
DW>> (they were also matriachal Earth-worshippers, and they had
DW>> *spaceships*).
JH> Seeing how they had paving, metal working and WRITING they should
JH> have left shitloads of artifacts behind.
You're judging them by our standards. These matriachal societies were Earth-worshipping,
and all their artifacts were biodegradable.
(I'm beginning to make myself sick :))
JH>>> Let me guess... The Wymyns Encyclopedia of Revisionist
JH>>> History.
DW>> oh...er...ummm... that too.
JH> Most likely it's simply a gross misrepresentation of Sumer or
JH> one of the other Mesopotamian cultures. They had plenty of
JH> godesses, but there aint no way in hell any of them could
JH> be called "matriarchal".
Agreed. Just because a society traced it's lineage from the mother doesn't
mean that women had any more power than in any of the other Stone-, Iron-,
and Bronze-Age societies.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Light
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:11:09
EID:365a 20428160
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 311237b8
30 Jan 96 18:36, Brad Jackson wrote to Steve Rose:
SR>> Thanks. It save me the trouble of thrusting my hand in the
SR>> burning fireplace just to look it up.
BJ> I am glad that I saved you from having to put your hand in a
BJ> fireplace!
Are you *really* as stupid as you appear to be?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: The Ultimate Shittite
|Date: 02 Feb 96 14:07:09
EID:c1f3 204270e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31121aa1
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 10d417f9
01 Feb 96 00:20, Steve Rose wrote to David Worrell:
SR> David Worrell wrote in a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
DW>> It's really too bad that more of your fellow Christians do not
DW>> grasp the above concept - especially the last line.
DW>> BTW, Staalie (if you're reading this), your wife is a dumbass.
SR> Ever since the moment she said, 'I do.'
My point exactly.
SR> But it really was her daddy holding the shotgun to his head!
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|From: Bill Burns
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Libraries
|Date: 29 Jan 96 12:55:09
EID:7146 203d66e0
MSGID: 1:280/26 420f4e1f
TID: InterEcho 1.16 6E011051
-> On (24 Jan 96) Bill Burns wrote to Marilyn Burge...
->
-> -> With the ISBN number, it can be located in any copy of "Books in
-> -> Print."
->
-> BB> Thanks, Marilyn.
->
-> BB> I already have it reserved at the local library. I am
-> BB> familiar with Prometheus Books. I used to have a copy of the
-> BB> Humanist Manifestos I and II. Don't know what happened to
-> BB> them, though. Secular Humanists are just about as neutral
-> BB> about religion as atheists, though. All one has to do is read
-> BB> the Manifesto sections on religion.
->
-> So? There's something wrong with neutrality? Is there no subject
-> that you're neutral about? Do you REALLY hold an opinion about
-> every topic in the whole wide world?
->
-> After you've been in this echo for a while, you'll definitely see
-> neutrality toward religion as a plus, given all the hostility that
-> is rampant here.
->
->
-> ... I am Peter Popoff of Borg. Prepare to reach God at 37.15 Mhertz.
->
-> --- PPoint 2.00
-> * Origin: So What's Yer Point? (1:105/40.666)
->
->
-> BB> I already have it reserved at the local library. I am
-> BB> familiar with Prometheus Books. I used to have a copy of the
-> BB> Humanist Manifestos I and II. Don't know what happened to
-> BB> them, though. Secular Humanists are just about as neutral
-> BB> about religion as atheists, though. All one has to do is read
-> BB> the Manifesto sections on religion.
->
-> So? There's something wrong with neutrality? Is there no subject
-> that you're neutral about? Do you REALLY hold an opinion about
-> every topic in the whole wide world?
I am sorry, Marilyn. You seem to have misunderstood my point. I was saying
that Prometheus is NOT neutral, and that the fact that it is a secular humanist
publisher, given the Humanist Manifestos (both I and II) with their positions
on religion clearly delineated, that the opinion of the author of the book
has to be taken with a grain of salt. Much the same way that a book from
a Christian source would be suspect to a Humanist reader.
No, I don't have an opinion on every topic in the world. I DO, however,
~reject the notion of neutrality for the most part. Now there's a myth.
Bill
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: LARRY SITES
|Date: 02 Feb 96 16:44:00
EID:f30f 20428580
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> to pay. I either find it (and for my price) or I go home.
DW> That's what you all *say*. Get Leo on here and let me ask him... :)
Leo would bitch long and loud about the way I shop. He's always urging me
to take something that ISN'T what I went for, or is out of the price range
I set for myself. And I refuse to run all over town looking for things.
He gets irritated with me when I've made no purchases, have been in the
mall a total of 45 minutes, and head for the door saying 'take me home,
I'll
look for something next year'. (I only buy clothes once every 4 or 5 years.
Last time was early in January...time before that was November, 1990)
... I'm weird, but around here it's barely noticable.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:55:00
EID:86dd 20428ee0
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Judith Bandsma <=-
JH> Of course, August has the "dog days", so maybe we could work
JH> Sirius into it... either that or baseball.
Well, we could always make Saint Hitt the patron of dislexics.
... Error loading GOD.SYS (A)bort or (U)nzip BIGBANG.ZIP
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:57:00
EID:e152 20428f20
Leave a message explaining that you are not currently paying attention.
Whenever someone sends you a MSG or does a WHOIS on you, they automatically
see whatever message you set. Using AWAY with no parameters marks you as
no
longer being away.
... Sex: ____ Male ____ Female ____ Horse ____ Sheep ____ Other
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: HI
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:59:00
EID:1fa5 20428f60
In this file, I find the mention of a trumpet. The day before yesterday,
in the periscope, I wasn't aware of its importance. The file had only
one reference to it, and that marginal.
... The sex was so good, even the neighbors lit cigarettes...
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: CIRCULAR REASONING
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:01:00
EID:b6ff 20429020
They're all rabbis. They're all saying the same thing. Do you think the
rabbis, when they spoke of the Torah, were talking about a scroll? They
were talking about us, about remaking our body through language.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:18:00
EID:a734 20429240
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Christian Miller <=-
LB> Have you ever tried to get a bunch of carnivorous animals to fast --
LB> for months -- while in close proximity to their primary food source?
He should come around here on a day when feeding time is late. I was
late with the dog food yesterday morning by about 15 minutes. Rosie hit
me in the butt with her paw for it. Imagine getting hit by something the
size of a canoe paddle with 5 blunt nails in the end of it. I got bruises.
... My dog isn't predjudiced. He'll eat anyone!
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: GET OVER IT!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:26:00
EID:a5fa 20429340
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
LB> the men?! Buy a clue, Jimmy -- Judith's thoughts are her own. My
LB> thoughts are my own. Your thoughts, on the other hand are shared by
And I'm sure Shelby would probably I rather shut up about it. But until
HE asks me to, I won't.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: POSITION
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:27:00
EID:f94e 20429360
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> MINUTE, proposed in 1990 by a Committee with a Concern for
I didn't realize it was on the web. With so much else, I kept forgetting
to ask the Clerk of Meeting for our minute on the subject. When I found
it on the web, I called to see if what we had adopted was any different
in the wording. (I was in PA when it was adopted). It is the same.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:39:00
EID:7695 204294e0
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Sue Armstrong <=-
MH> environment. They have no place here. Also, we have streets to
MH> keep clean. =) They good, in their place. But a city is something
MH> altogether different. It hence requires a different type of law
We have a mounted patrol here in Charleston. Horses are VERY good for
crowd control. That huge body side-stepping into you is going to make you
move back. The horses here are worked also at the pistol range and not
likely to react strongly to loud noises. I don't know what one would do
if hit, but they are all very stable (no pun intended) animals.
As for keeping the streets clean...we made international news when the
ordinance that horses must wear diapers was passed.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 02 Feb 96 18:52:00
EID:12af 20429680
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
ML> Ummmm...The dark one...?
The dark as in yellowish brown (oude)? Or the dark as in purplish black?
If the latter, then what you are getting is probably Beerenburg, which is
a Frisian 'type' of Genever with a lot of herbs. Goes well with the Frisian
cheese flavored with sheep shit.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: NO I'M NOT SMART
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:08:00
EID:0a8e 20429900
-=> Quoting Steve Rose to Al Schroeder <=-
SR> Do you honestly think anyone really cares? You are a fundy for crust
SR> sake! Grow up, babble boy. THe echo lives just fine with or without
SR> you!
But it is much more interesting WITH Al here and being seen. To answer
your first question...yes, **I** care. For the simple reason that the
abrupt end of Al's postings COULD have signaled a serious problem with
one of his children. I would see no one's children hurt, sick or in pain.
That goes for yours (if you have any), too.
... Not now . . . I have to go mow the laundry.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: The Raven
|Sub: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:23:00
EID:a438 20429ae0
-=> Quoting The Raven to Sue Armstrong <=-
TR> Jack Butler
Hey, Jack. I lost the only board in town that carried Highlander. Any
chance you could either netmail or e-mail the Feb. lineup of episodes?
Am working on a couple of sysops to try to get them to carry it, but no
luck so far.
Thanks.
jbandsma@concentric.net
... Tagline not found: Moderator deleted.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: THE ULTIMATE SHIT LIST -
|Date: 02 Feb 96 19:47:00
EID:7573 20429de0
-=> Quoting Zayd Allebban to Judith Bandsma <=-
ZA> Yeah... some Muslims take that a little too far. What it really is
a
ZA> system of respect ... If a woman does meet a man she doesn't know
Well, Shabier Kahn is the only standard of Muslim we have had since I
have been posting here. Unfair to you, perhaps, but that is the standard
you will be judged by until you make one of your own.
Shabier was one of the shabbiest excuses for a human being I have ever seen.
Actually, he sounded more like a fundamentalist christian than anything
else, just substituting Allah and Mohammed for god and christ. (BTW, I don't
capitalize those words because they are job descriptions and NOT names.)
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Get yer satanic shit together!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 04:03:11
EID:4523 20422060
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617e91c8
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWENTY TWO of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day TEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing has happened.
You have only THIRTEEN days left in order to destroy me
with your "magick" in order to fulfill the conditions of
Curse Number Three.
It's just fucking amazing how radiantly healthy I've been
feeling lately.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Beam Me Up Scotty
|Date: 02 Feb 96 05:42:33
EID:dab1 20422d40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617f7438
REPLY: 1:3666/402@fidonet.org 0e0a6363
WB> Happy End Times. Regards Kortron.
I love that signature!
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Walter Bartoo
|Sub: Korntron takes a pee.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 05:47:54
EID:05e5 20422de0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617f9109
REPLY: 1:3666/402@fidonet.org 6178f96f
WB> The medicine worked! My flow was what I had not seen in
WB> years.
I always thought you were pretty pissy.
WB> After the last bout he suggested I see a Urinologist buddy, with
WB> the warning do not speak to him as you do me.
Translation: the doctor could tell I was crazy as shit and felt
sorry for me.
WB> I was flabbergasted!! I awoke this morning and had a very normal
WB> bowell movement that was not normal for weeks.
Now I know we're in the End Times...
However, I have suspected you were full of strange shit for some
time now.
WB> LIFETIMES, A thirty six page Bi-monthly newsletter telling
WB> it like it is. 1609 Stone Mountain Rd, Vilas, N.C. 28692.
WB> $42.00 a year. $45.00 outside the U.S. Make all checks
WB> payable to: Judi Wells publisher, U.S. currency only.
42 bucks is such a small price to pay for the only newsletter
on earth that keeps you informed on the bowel movements of
aliens.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: The Commander's pissing
|Date: 02 Feb 96 06:01:09
EID:8ed1 20423020
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617fb009
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 11032ae4
WB>> Maybe your last sentence is true to you, but to me I feel
WB>> I Am a Cosmic Citizen and live by the law of One. Meaning:
WB>> All things are connected, ALL is one. In that respect we
WB>> are brothers and sisters through out the vast Universe.
RS> Jesus H. Christ! Now you're saying you're my brother?!
Good ol' Walter still holds the position of all-time self-important
echo idiot. Even Brother MISTER Jimmy doesn't think so highly of
himself that he feels he has to inform the entire world that he
just took a shit.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: Re: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 02 Feb 96 06:33:30
EID:11fe 20423420
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 617ff95f
REPLY: 1:128/203.0 31104e91
LW> Of the people I know in Wicca/Paganism, roughly 90% +/- of
LW> them are very serious about their "religious" choice. And
LW> most of these (over 50%) are over 30. 10% are over 50 and
LW> the other 30% are over 40.
Most likely, more than 50 percent of the people you know of ANY
persuasion are over 30. 10 of them are over 50 and the other 30
percent are over 40.
Of all the people I know, more than 95 percent of them are known
by me. And most of these (over 50%) represent more than half of
the people I know. And the remaining percentage of them represent
the other people I know.
Subjective statistics don't mean shit.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Re: -------
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:57:46
EID:44fd 20425f20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6182e5d8
REPLY: 1:280/26 3a1553ed
RM> I'm in the Navy.
RM> Origin: Messages Galore BBS!!, 816-241-6807, Kansas City MO
RM> (1:280/26) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We got a lot of ships in Missouri?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 02 Feb 96 17:18:12
EID:4c41 20428a40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6185ef4a
REPLY: 1:157/200 41120289
PS>>I had an idea about another kind of drive. We all know that
PS>>light sails run on light (obviously). What if one used a
PS>>light sail twigged to the infrared spectrum and mounted a
PS>>powerful infrared lamp on the vessel?
KDM> Now there's an interesting idea. Hmmmm . . . I can think
KDM> of a few questions, though.
Unfortunately this raises Ugly Head of the Conservation Laws.
You'd get no more thrust than if you just mounted the heat lamp
on the ass-end of the vessel and forgot about the sail. In fact,
you'd get a lot less.
KDM> Yes. You'd have to manufacture all of the anti-matter on
KDM> earth, but a matter-anti-matter drive would be much more
KDM> efficient (and, therefore lighter) then any other type of
KDM> drive.
The problem I have with matter/antimatter is how do you turn the
energy released into a form you can use. You anihilate an electron-
positron pair and you get one obscenely high energy cosmic ray
photon fired off in a random direction. Turning that photon
(which is inclined to pass through your ship like it was an
insubstantial mist) into usable thrust is going to be a pretty
substantial technical problem.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: USS Porkbarrel
|Date: 03 Feb 96 03:34:30
EID:da55 20431c40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618bbdd7
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21aa2
RM>> I'm in the Navy.
RS> It's amazing that are wonderful armed forces still let such
RS> stupid people enlist. One would think that you'd want
RS> people with brains pulling the triggers.
Shame on thee!
You should be proud that he's out there keeping the high seas
of Missouri safe for democracy and pointless defense spending.
Kansas City is one of our most important stategic sea ports.
It's so important that we put it several hundred miles away
from the nearest body of water, just to be sure it was safe.
But even then it's not 100 percent safe. You never know when
a Russian submarine will surface in some corn field somewhere.
Or maybe a pirate ship.... But don't worry, we'll have Rich
on hand to deal with the situation.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:07:56
EID:9d9c 204320e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618bce06
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21aa4
RS> If the surgery can be put off, why don't people donate blood to
RS> themselves? Is this being done anywhere? Would it be possible
RS> for me to donate blood to myself and have it on hand at the
RS> local hospital in case I happen to be in a traffic accident?
It can be done and is done. It's the ONLY way a Jehova's Witness
will accept blood (unless they come to their senses and put their
own life ahead of their passion for religious hairsplitting).
It's not a universal practice because it would become a logistical
nightmare if everyone insisted on it, but it's available for those
who "require" their own blood.
As for having on hand "just in case" for an accident: blood is
perishable. It's shelf life, even with proper storage, is limited.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Update
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:46:24
EID:1fef 204325c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618c30ad
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWENTY THREE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
Nothing happened.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day ELEVEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing happened with this one either.
You have only TWELVE days left in order to destroy me
with your "magick" in order to fulfill the conditions of
Curse Number Three.
Why is this taking so damned long?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:56:00
EID:07f3 20432700
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618c42e6
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3110db17
SA>> I also note 2, perhaps 3, pro-gun areas. Does any of this
SA>> give anyone else the creepy-crawlies, or is it just me?
JH>> I (as the "channel" for Ms. Tyler) made the same
JH>> observation in the first part of the four part series.
SA> I think the first part was cut off from my feed somehow; I
SA> only recall seeing 3 posts.
I'll send it to you (next message).
Also, I have a small favor to ask you as Keeper Of The List Of
Participants. I have made some advances in my career and the
entry for my name does not reflect some of my more recent
accomplishments.
I humbly request that the entry for my name be updated to read:
Death Spell Test Site.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A Visit 1/4
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:02:14
EID:06e3 20432840
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618c4774
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3110db17
Date: Mon Dec 25 1995 01:10:24
From: Janet Tyler of 1:106/9788
To: All of 1:30873/2
Subj: A visit 1/4
AREA:HOLYSMOKE
A visit with Xian Miller.
I was curious as to whether the person posting as Christian Miller
was genuine or not. So, when the rates were low, I loaded up the
term program and gave his BBS a look-see.
On calling I found the BBS was running on a 'strange' platform
(possibly an Apple II or an Atari, I've no real idea) and was
annoyingly sluggish. I also found it interesting to note that there
was only one local area, and that one with only a small handful of
messages in it. All other areas on the BBS are echoes. I found it
very interesting to note that while there were few messages about
Jesus Christ there was no shortage of messages about engine blocks
and hollow point bullets.
Even more annoying than the sluggish performance of the host machine
was the fact that all the menus and system messages are written in a
Dukes of Hazard Good-ol-Boy dialect. In the third message in this
series I have included a mercifully small sample of this. It
reminded me of the C-64 BBSes of ten years ago. I had hoped those
days were behind us.
The file section was non-functional. It contains half a dozen text
files "for believers", but all my attempts to download them resulted
in the BBS either locking up or giving me a "Tell Christian if you
see this" error message.
It was in the utilities section that I struck pay-dirt. First I
looked at the user log and discovered that other than his own
sessions, Christian only gets two or three callers a day. He has
(including his dual Christian/Christina personae) a grand total of
twenty users.
The oldest inactive caller posted only last month. This causes me
to suspect that the BBS was put on-line very recently. Note that the
log on message even contains an admission that the BBS has very few
callers. (see below)
Then I took a look at the traffic log... and found what I had been
looking for. I have included the complete report. I offer no
comment on it other than the fact that Christian carries more
message areas than are displayed on his menus.
Enjoy!
- = = Quoted passages follow - Next three messages = = -
* C A U T I O N *
***************
This BBS is going through a MAJOR reconstruction!
We here at Christians Corner are going to be giving the BBS a whole new
look and feel!!! The idea of operating a BBS is to attract callers, which
we are not doing in our current format.
Be prepared to see changing menus (which may look "out of place" until the
entire system has officially been converted.)
That's all for now!! Enjoy the BBS...
.
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Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:14:36
EID:889d 204329c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618c6e4d
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0f1765a8
>> Liberalism has made some mistakes, but it is responsible
>> for nearly all of the social progress of this century.
SA> PROGRESS? Examine our fucked up welfare system. Gee.
No. Look at the REAL progress.
Desegregation. A liberal idea that was opposed by conservatives.
Sufferage. A liberal idea that was opposed by conservatives.
The Voting Rights Act. A liberal idea that was opposed by
conservatives.
Abortion Rights. A liberal idea that is not yet safe from
the designs of conservative goons.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:21:30
EID:f652 20432aa0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 618c7740
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310eca7b
DW> If you've never been to a rodeo, you ought to go. I've got
DW> a cousin here who is into all that shit, and she talked me
DW> into going to one. I didn't pay too much attention to the
DW> action on the floor, but the people-watching prospects are
DW> second to none (except for maybe truck & tractor pulls).
DW> You'll be amazed at all the Cro-Magnons that come out of
DW> the woodwork.
I was under the distinct impression that the current version
of humanity was the Cro-Magnon. Did they finally come out with
Humans95 while I wasn't watching?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: All
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:21:30
EID:c62a 204352a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 31133741
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3112b592
PID: GED3 2.5 261LM3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Veneris dies February 02 1996, Dixit Jim Staal ad All:
JS> After much consideration, I have decided that it is time to leave the
JS> echo. Actually, looking back, my job was finished long ago and I didn't
JS> realize it. To those who have supported me in what I sought to do I
want
OK, folks, let's start taking bets as to how long this lasts.
--- GoldED 2.50+ - Spank Our Wombats!
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: death
|Date: 03 Feb 96 09:56:48
EID:a740 20434f00
MSGID: 1:123/67 3113321d
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E28
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
30 Jan 96 21:36, quoting Michael Hardy to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> What are your comments? How do atheists die? THE SAME WAY AS
SS>> CHRISTIANS. These are my observations.
MH> That would also be in accord with Christian teachings, since nowhere
MH> in the Bible are we promised easy deaths. In fact, the one
MH> Christian martyr whose death is recorded in the Bible -- Stephen --
MH> was stoned to death, hardly an easy way to go. Jesus hung on a cross
MH> with nails through his hands and feet. Also hardly an easy way to go.
This is just one of many aspects of christianity that makes it so
distasteful. It is a death cult, its members wallowing in crucifixation,
waving a carrot and a stick.
MH> I don't think there is any "christian claim" that God makes easy the
MH> deaths of Christians.
Your bible and religion glorifies death and suffering.
MH> I saw the one comment from Staal that you blew up over, but I don't
MH> think even he was talking about help on THIS side of the curtain.
This side of the curtain? Do you have any evidence of any OTHER side?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:00:07
EID:259e 20435000
MSGID: 1:123/67 311332a4
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31118492
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
02 Feb 96 02:26, quoting Jijj Staal to Shelby Sherman:
Which moron am I talking to this time, Jimbo?
MG>> What's the speed of light, Jimbo?
SS>> Goat-damned fundies like Brother Jimmy and Trent Hall must think
SS>> (no they don't think at all)....spout their bullshit as if they
SS>> conclude that scientists just pull stuff like this out of their
SS>> ass.
JS> Unproven theories at best...
You ought to be dizzy from going around the track on this one, moron.
Scientific theories are falsified, not proven, you ignorant lummox.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:04:07
EID:259e 20435080
MSGID: 1:123/67 311333bb
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31118493
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
02 Feb 96 02:27, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> ROFL! You moron. How could anyone with a modicum of
SS>> intelligence compare the observed and scientifically sound
SS>> measurement of the distance of stars from the earth with the
SS>> circular reasoning that fundies employ?
JS> Sure. Show me the guy who walked it with his tape rule...
Hector's law again. You have debunked yourself, fundie. So, you are
requiring personal involvement for something to be valid? Where does
that put your god, moron? Have you put a TAPE RULE on your favorite
supernatural being and his resurrected son?
How does it feel to have your own tepid and ridiculous argument shoved
back in your face, Staal?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Death
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:06:52
EID:22ce 204350c0
MSGID: 1:123/67 31133423
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31118494
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
02 Feb 96 02:28, quoting JIm Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> I was there, you nitwit. I was his caregiver. My father in law
SS>> died hard and there was no comfort from an imaginary god or
SS>> savior.
JS> You were external, not inside his body. Only he can attest to what
JS> happened...
He died hard, moron. I observed it. There was no god and no comfort
in his death.
Inside his body....what a ridiculously stupid thing to say, even coming
from you.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Women
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:14:58
EID:6804 204351c0
MSGID: 1:123/67 311335cc
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310fc79b
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
31 Jan 96 19:30, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS> Let us not pollute the entire gender for the sake of these two poor
JS> examples of God's finer handiwork, Shelby: a self-admitted witch and
JS> an ignorant crone...
Do you have any evidence to support this? Any at all?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:15:35
EID:2a3a 204351e0
MSGID: 1:123/67 31133845
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 6175e89d
PID: GED3 2.5.b6 124LM3
01 Feb 96 12:14, quoting Martin Goldberg to Shelby Sherman:
MG> They don't even get that far in their thinking. Why do you theink
MG> that people that are adults would scream "IS NOT" every time science
MG> calls their bible on another piece of evidence their stand becomes
MG> more and more tenuous. Screaming that science isn't valid is the only
MG> way they can keep their mythology alive. Whar's really scary is that
MG> these assholes vote and drive cars.
Maybe by now you have read some of the drivel in THUMP_IT? Rich,
ain't it?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Biblical Errors
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:26:33
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01 Feb 96 20:48, quoting Michael Hardy to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> Skeptics OBSERVE salad bar christianity. The way that I look at
SS>> it, the bible is either the word of god or not the word of god.
SS>> In my opinion, the slightests compromises or errancies negate the
SS>> book as a divinely inspired work.
MH> However, I'm not convinced that there are any errors.
What? Errors have been pointed out, time and time again. I think that
it can be more correctly stated that you choose to IGNORE the errors
and to RATIONALIZE.
MH> Most
MH> "errors" arise from skeptics doing one of several things:
MH> 1. Reading metaphor as purported fact. (e.g., the creation account)
MH> 2. Ignoring possible cultural differences (e.g., assuming that the
MH> Hebrews counted grasshopper legs by the same system we use, and
WHAT! Are you claiming that the Hebrews counted by some sort of
different system where 6 = 4?
MH> And you may be right. I choose to believe it. I may be wrong. Time
MH> will tell. :)
You are wrong...period. The bible states that insects have FOUR LEGS.
We observe that insects have SIX LEGS. 4 does not = 6.
Cut and dried, Mikey.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:31:02
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31 Jan 96 19:19, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS> 'full' of errors? I think not.
I agree. You think NOT.
SS>> The book also says that a snake talked, an iron axe head floated,
SS>> insects have 4 legs, that bats are birds, etc., etc. So much for
SS>> this reference.
JS> Yeah...so where's the errors? Where does the Bible say that insects
do
JS> not have 4 legs?
You idiot. Where does the bible say ______________________IS NOT! You
are either very confused or willingly a village idiot, probably both.
JS> Man might say that...but... Also, where does the
JS> Bible say bats _aren't_ birds? So where's the inconsistancy? Are
Where does the bible say that BARNEY AIN'T PURPLE, moron? Here's a hint,
my marbled, benighted friend....we go on what the bible DOES SAY, not
on what some moron named Jim Staal may conjecture on what the bible
DOES NOT SAY.
JS> there
JS> any witnesses to attest to the fact that on a given ocassion a snake
JS> (and a donkey, for that matter) did not talk, or that on a given
No, and there are no witnesses to say that Barney ain't fucking Wilbur
either so I guess that we just have to assume THAT BARNEY IS FUCKING
WILBUR, don't we?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: You watch your mouf...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:36:14
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30 Jan 96 21:53, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS> HeartGard ??? I don't understand what that is, but if it is some
JS> sort of slam on my wife, it is unnecessary and indicative of your
JS> demeanor and state of mind.
HeartGard is for heartworms, a canine affliction. I am saying that
Wilbur is a DOG...now, what do you intend to do about it, big guy?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Tsk...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:39:02
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30 Jan 96 21:30, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> God's elect? Provide some evidence for the existence of this
SS>> god, then you can provide evidence that you are some sort of
SS>> "elect", milk-crate.
JS> Romans 1:19-20
ROM 1: [19] since what may be known about God is plain to them, because
God has made it plain to them. [20] For since the creation of the world
God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been
clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are
without excuse.
This is evidence of nothing. The bible states that your god is invisible
out of NECESSITY, nothing else.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Evidence!?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:41:31
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30 Jan 96 21:05, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> Because the bible said a global flood occured and it DIDN'T,
SS>> knucklehead.
JS> Evidence to support this claim? And don't give me some runaround out
JS> a science book either. I want firm evidence it didn't.
The mythical biblical claim of a global flood is a falsifiable physical
event that would have (if it had occured) left unmistakable evidence.
Lack of this evidence IS EVIDENCE that the event did not occur. That
should be easy enough for even you to understand, stand on a milk
crate, if necessary, and think (if possible).
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Con...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:44:10
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30 Jan 96 21:03, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
SS>> English major, my ass.
JS> Yeah...and atheist/pagans have a sense of humor, my a** as well...
Jim, I say this with all sincerity. You would indeed be FUNNY if you
weren't so goat-damned PATHETIC.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: compassion
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:45:32
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30 Jan 96 20:11, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS>> Really? You claim to be a human being. Yet you fail to show one
JS>> ounce of compassion.
SS>> This is rich coming from you.
JS> Evidence for this claim?
The mundane claim that you lack compassion is supported adequately
by mere testimony of those who have observed your messages.
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:49:05
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30 Jan 96 20:11, quoting Jim Staal to Shelby Sherman:
JS> Sounds like mere information to me, Shelby. A command is in verse 15
JS> of Mark 16. Verses 16--18 are merely descriptive...
It is a claim that if you believe, you can drink poison and handle
poisonous snakes without harm.
Do you believe your bible and this claim? Yes or No, milk-crate.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List
|Date: 02 Feb 96 12:55:00
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Zayd Allebban <=-
->> Islam: If this shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
>ZA> I take extreme offense from these statements about
>ZA> Islam. Please don't relate "shit" and "Allah."
DW> Does Allah ever have to take a shit?
DW> Does he have to piss?
Of course. Allah shits out Muslims and pisses out Christians.
How else would you explain them?
... A virgin girl who is raped must marry her rapist. Deut. 22:28-29
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:27:00
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-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to David Rice <=-
-=> Quoting David Rice to All <=-
DR> Don Martin 1608 <=whispering=> A scotch drinker!
DR> Marty Leipzig 1606 Ha Ha! Two less than Don! No liver.
JB> Have you weighted that for the time Marty spent in Russia?
I figure that Marty being in Russia is an equal handicap to Don
drinking Scotch. Both have been known to seriously limit the
ability to post messages in HOLYSMOKE.
... I didn't make this up, it says this in the Bible. - Chris Vetter
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MARTY LEIPZIG
|Sub: You can lead a horse to
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:46:00
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-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Martin Goldberg <=-
ML> But, then again, you do like haggis...
What's there NOT to like about haggis?
... " I got the Netware-Standard-Floppy-Install Blues. . . ."
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:09:00
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-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to David Rice <=-
>> Fredric Rice 3246 Better educated than
>> Jesse Christ Jones
>> J.J. Hitt 3149
>me> ACK! Fred only posted 97 more messages than I did?!?!
>me> Are you SURE you didn't slip a decimal place somewhere?
DR> You mean your total should read 31,490? :-)
JH> No. Fred's should read 3.246 times ten to the holyshit power.
Which is equal to one millisatan.
... MilliHelen: The amount of beauty required to launch one ship.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: flood
|Date: 02 Feb 96 05:48:33
EID:0ead 20422e00
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Andrew Masten:
DW> 28 Jan 96 09:14, Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis:
AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof
AM> that it happened?
DW> Name them.
And supply their affadavits that support this contention.
... "Have you ever thought about being evil? I mean really *evil*!"- Crow
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 02 Feb 96 12:29:10
EID:bd01 204263a0
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
MG>> Why is human life different from other animal life?
ML> Other animal life is clever enough not to have fundies.
MG> Some of them are even smart enough to eat them before they open their
MG> mouths.
Oh, if that were the case here...
... SCAN V1.94 hTe [Glodbreg] virus was fiound. Deleet? [Yes/jo]
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: You can lead a horse to scotch, but you can't make him drink.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 12:31:05
EID:813c 204263e0
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
MG>> I, once upon a time, drank bourbon.
ML> I knew it!
MG> No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I rely on stealth. Stealth and cunning. The two things I rely
upon are...
MG>> told me that I could drink bourbon or empty the trash with
MG>> my teeth.
ML> Pick the kitty litter from between your teeth, it's most
ML> unbecoming.
MG> After having downed enough of that rotgut yourself, I'm sure that you
MG> know just what kitty litter tastes like.
I can imagine it's like a really bad bourbon or a typical batch
of scotch.
MG>> Asking what the difference was, they gave me the bourbon as
MG>> a geology major already had the trash under tow.
ML> What? They had stashed scotch bottles in the trash?
MG> Yeah...empty ones...it was the only way the guy could get any.
Empty bottles? At least now they have recycling value. Before,
filled with that vile concoction of loch water and peat
extract, Americology wouldn't touch 'em.
... I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: God puts fundies to the test.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:29:16
EID:71b2 20433ba0
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Steve Wallis:
SW> God knows everthing guy. If He didnt-He wouldnt be God. God knew
MG> Then why does he test us?
He got a killer deal on red marking pens.
... Fly Heisenberg Air! Dunno where we are, but we're making good time.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy De Lumpster
|Sub: Retarred.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:28:34
EID:681e 20433b80
Lump, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to Marty
Leipzig:
So, which insipid alter-ego is it this time?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Lump <=-
ML> Lump, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
ML> Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Lump and Mark <=-
ML>
LaM> they were operating on a chimp, weren't they?...Or was
LaM> that a chump....Oh well, same thing!
ML> So. Those stitches heal up yet?
Lu> Hey , ya know this is kind of fun, just slamming each
Lu> other....
ML> When you wander downrange with a "Hit me. I'm stupid" T-shirt
ML> on, don't complain when someone puts a group in your 10 ring.
Lu> ...there aren't any of you a good enough shot to do that
Lu> though...
That's what you believe, Chum. Care to wander downrange and see
how accurate your beliefs really are?
Hmmmm?
Poltroon.
Lu> Gee, let me look in my book of insults for more fun things
Lu> to waste on you guys....
ML> No, just continue your inane prattle. You're already a waste of
ML> perfectly good carbon.
Lu> ... another depraived mind....
Another blinkered "English Major", I see.
That's "depraved", you drooling idiot; although in your case,
deprived might be more correct.
... HolySmoke: Failure to yield to idiots on the Information Superhighway.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Charismatic evangelical poltroonery.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:29:59
EID:0a19 20433ba0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> having spent so much time and talent serving the
JS> Ruskies...
ML> Wrong again, Chuckles. I don't work _for_ them, I work with
ML> them.
JS> Not surprised...
Those with only a single firing synapse are seldom capable of
surprise.
ML> But I do know full well of their aircraft, I flew a MIG
ML> 29 the last time I was over there.
JS> Yeah...right. Solo?
Nope. I only solo in Hind 20-A's and other rotary wing aircraft.
The fixed wing stuff was done with Major Colonel Alexey
Androvich; I sat second seat.
Looks like we need to call in an air strike.
JS> ! Origin: WareHouse BBS (Node 2) Wyoming MI (616)538-5413
ML> Still know nothing about Wyoming, Jimbozo?
JS> I no nothing of me living in Wyoming.
ML> Whoever said anything about you living there?
JS> If I recall correctly, you asked how things were in Wyoming or
JS> implied that I lived there...
But you even admitted to that little fact, recall that,
sheepfucker?
ML> You denied
ML> knowledge of Wyoming and now you're attempting damage control
ML> by trying to lie your way out.
JS> Like I give a ratz...
Exactly like what we give about you.
JS> I live in Grandville.
ML> For which I sure the rest of the Grandvillians are certainly
ML> popping their collective buttons over that fact.
JS> As a matter of fact, I am one of their more illustrious and well
JS> known citizens...
Indeed. Psychotic idiots like you ARE well know to the local constabulary.
JS> Ask your
JS> brother george.
ML> I don't have any brothers;
JS> Brother in arms, Martin...
We need brothers in arms to ward off your armies of the night.
ML> but if I did, I would certainly pick
ML> someone with the integrity and character of George over the
ML> delusional and certifiably ignorant likes of you.
JS> Oh, yeah check out his integrity:
Unnecessary. I already know yours and George is leagues ahead
of you in that, and most all other, departments.
... "The Will of God is the sanctuary of ignorance." -- Spinoza
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Altering more quotes, Scarecrow?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:18:18
EID:66db 20433a40
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> As it was my own post, I won't complain...
ML> But I will.
JS> Have at it...and prove it besides...
I don't need to prove anything, you retard. The evidence is
plain enough.
ML> Quote altering is forbidden; circumstances notwithstanding.
JS> Hmmm...seems fine when fred rice does it...no complaints...except from
JS> me. At least when I alter my own post, I know it is being done right.
ML> Indeed. That you're violating one of the very few rules in this
ML> forum. That you're stupid enough to crow about your ability to
ML> lie correctly is even more remarkable.
JS> I have no recollection of doing so, however...
Hey. You've got the "Ollie North" deniability rap down so well.
Too bad you lack his fortitude and integrity.
ML> This "Holy Writ" also says that bats are birds.
JS> Evidence to support this claim?
ML> Your own big book of fairy tales: Leviticus 11:13, 19;
ML> Deuteronomy 14:11, 18.
JS> (Lev 11:13 NIV) "'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat
JS> because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black
JS> vulture,
JS> (Lev 11:19 NIV) the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
JS> (Deu 14:11 NIV) You may eat any clean bird.
JS> (Deu 14:18 NIV) the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
JS> Ok, so what's the problem? Where does it say in the BIble that bats
JS> aren't birds?
ML> It does not. It says they ARE birds. Here's a zoological
ML> news flash, you retard. Bats are mammals.
JS> Yea. but where does it say that the Bible says they aren't?
It says that bats ARE birds, you fucking cretin. Bats ARE NOT
birds. There's the contradiction.
Is that simple enough or shall I have the stridulatory purple
archosaur serenade you?
... "God told me" is no excuse for stupidity. - Steve Quarrella
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Why does Michigan seem to attract so many idiots?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:26:46
EID:d924 20433b40
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> LIE!? You are accusing me of a _LIE_, MISTER Liepzig!?
ML> Dr. Leipzig to you, bozo.
JS> HA! Oh no, Herr Doktor, maybe in your own little world and mind,
"Little world and mind"? My vistas are so far reaching you
couldn't even find them, let alone go there, with a well drawn
map.
JS> and
JS> your Ruskie pals, but to me? Merely MISTER Liepzig.
And you're just a delusional fuckhead from Michigan.
Gosh.
We're SO impressed.
JS> Hmmm...haven't heard from that company in years. Are they still i
JS> business?
ML> Indeed they are. The merged with ARP back in the early 80's and
ML> produced some of the finest keyboards around. I have one of the
ML> vintage ones from the late 70's.
ML> Moog model 80.
JS> What
JS> do they produce these days. I never see either name in the music
JS> catalogs.
ML> I do not know. Haven't "done" that scene since the late '70's.
JS> Did you ever 'do' it?
More than you and your single family synapse could ever imagine.
... A belief-filled mind is a waste of perfectly good carbon.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: "English (as a second language) Major" Jimmy.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:30:24
EID:f78a 20433bc0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
HP> like head trauma, doesn't it?
JS> Merely a figure of speech,
ML> So you don't take the Bible literally? You're one sorry sort of
ML> Christian, Jimbo.
JS> Never laid claim to being a 'literalist', Martin. I am an inerrantist.
As if there's a difference. If you take the Bible to be
inerrant, then you must be taking it literally.
Sheesh...wise up, oh "English Major".
JS> referencing his bowing low to the ground in
JS> the presence of God (as in typical Middle East fashion)
ML> There's just a bit of difference between bowing down and
ML> smashing your skull against the macadam.
JS> OK. So choose to take it literally. Where does it necessarily indicate
JS> that he had to fall on his head, Mister Liepzig?
Landing on ones feet after a fall does not induce vocal
hallucinations; although yours are probably compounded by you
bashing your skull against your monitor.
JS> Cats quite often
JS> 'fall' on their feet...and his immediate and lucid reply would indicate
JS> no head trauma what so ever...
So Paul was a cat? Hardly surprising, as all fundies are lower
life forms.
... "What a depressingly stupid asshole." said Marvin and trudged away.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Packages away!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:14:18
EID:bafd 204339c0
Dan Ceppa, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Robert Jackson:
-> On 01-30-96 03:16, Robert Jackson got back to J.j. Hitt
AM> leader of the church of satan. He believes Satan is an icon
JH> What happens when you double-click on Satan?
RJ> [Click HERE for Satanic curse from Asmodiddley]
DC> Oh, so Satan is yet another non-active Windows function?
This has nothing to do with the above, but my netmailer is on
the fritz.
Watch the mails, Herr Ceppa.
Watch the mails....
... Insanity is fun if you do it right.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Tuna tacos.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:14:48
EID:c2cd 204339c0
David Rice, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Blanche Nonken:
DR> ... "And the inspiration for the vagina was...?" -- Steve Q
The 5 for a dollar special at Taco Bell?
... No, no, no. Taco Bell is NOT the Mexican Phone Company.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Jimmy plays the colostomy bagpipes.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:15:19
EID:4a3f 204339e0
David Rice, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Martin Goldberg <=-
>>>MG> prticipting in a pie fight.
>>ML> Send a "Hard Copy" news team to Wyoming around dinnertime.
>MG> And Oosterman cna bake the fresh pies up. Maybe a fresh crop of
>MG> horseapples?
ML> You really think you could fit the Lump and his alter-ego into
ML> a pie-pan?
DR> Why not? He fits so well in a bed-pan.
You should see his colostomy sleeping bag.
Then again...maybe not...
... P.E.T.A. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Scorched scotch
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:15:57
EID:540f 204339e0
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Judith Bandsma:
JB> Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
MG> I was in Amsterdam some years ago and offered a glass of this stuff.
MG> I don't think that I ever put anything in my mouth before or since
MG> that was as bad as that. If Torquemada was alive, it would be in his
MG> shop of horrors.
Right next to the display of the various vintages of ClanMcAwful.
... I'm an atheist. I don't pretend to know what many idiots are sure of.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: More brain dead fundies.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:24:48
EID:a070 20433b00
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Dan Ceppa:
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
DC> Funny thing is, Jimbo, Preston has peers in this Echo. The only
DC> 'peers' you have are your multiple personalities. All the other
DC> xians seem to have written you off as a "not a true xian".
JS> Odd...no one seems to mention it to my face?
Perhaps no one desires to stoop that low.
... Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth always is.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: You don't prove negatives, unless you're an idiot. Go ahead, Jimbo.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:30:47
EID:8508 20433bc0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Shelby Sherman:
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> Why is it a lie?
SS> Because the bible said a global flood occured and it DIDN'T,
SS> knucklehead.
JS> Evidence to support this claim? And don't give me some runaround out
JS> a science book either. I want firm evidence it didn't.
Hey, dickhead.
Have you had your head up your ass these last few months or is
that just a new hat?
How many times must we better educated point out to you lesser
types that one does not endeavor to prove a negative?
You, through your Bible, make the affirmative claim. Now you
must provide the affirmative evidence that it occurred. Sorry,
though, Jambo, citing your Bible to evidence Biblical stories
doesn't work in the real world.
You made the claim. Now, quit being a poltroon and provide
evidence for that claim.
We're waiting.
Poltroon.
... Hindu to Christian: "How many *times* have you been born-again?"
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: ALL
|Sub: That's evolution for you.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:31:07
EID:6dfc 20433be0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Ryan Shaw:
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to The Facts. <=-
RS> These ramblings speak for themselves. You'd be better off tied down
RS> to a bed in a mental institution. And to think, you're old enough to
RS> almost be my grandfather.
JS> you'd be so fortunate. I have three grandsons and a grand daughter who
JS> are proud to claim me anywhere.
Amazing.
Natural selection usually works faster than that.
... "Every day, men are leaving the church to be closer to God" -L. Bruce
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: Jimmy couldn't find his ass with both hands in broad daylight.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:31:33
EID:b331 20433be0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Katherine Wintersnight:
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> RJ> I should ask that boy what the Guy With The Pointy Stick is
JS> RJ> paying these days--the recession, you know. Seems everyone
JS> RJ> can get away with evil on the evening news these days.
JS>Well, I'm sure the allies didn't find all the caches that his man 'Dolf
JS>stashed during the '30's and 40's...
KW> I am interested to see how much of the missing loot does turn up in
KW> Russia.
JS> Me too. Maybe that is what Marty is looking for over there...:)
Wrong again, moron.
I look for nothing besides oil; the fundies I find in my
international travels are nothing more than you; a humorous
sideshow.
... "What a depressingly stupid person." said Marvin and trudged away.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brother Jimmy
|Sub: 6'7" mental midget.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:31:54
EID:d55d 20433be0
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Preston Simpson:
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to JIm Staal <=-
PS> Oh, please. If I were your enemy, there wouldn't be any question of
it
PS> to anyone here.
JS> Oh, it is quite obvious you consider me your enemy. (and I present
JS> quite a formidable foe,m I might add...)
A veritable tower of Jello.
We're so impressed.
... May you live in uninteresting times.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Change from the collection plate.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:21:10
EID:7e60 20433aa0
Karen Davis, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Christian Miller:
KD> On (28 Jan 96) Christian Miller wrote to Katherine Wintersnight...
CM> *I DON'T* put money in any plate. Thank you very much. You're
CM> debunked!
KD> You don't donate to the church you attend?
Of course he does.
He doesn't go.
... I enjoy toasting fundies better. Have another Zippo, scarecrow? - M.L.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: The "English Major" isn't even an "English Buck Private".
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:21:52
EID:248f 20433aa0
Katherine Wintersnight, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
said to Judith Bandsma:
JB>-=> Quoting David Worrell to Robert Jackson <=-
JB> RJ> Make sure you use lots of big words, so he can say "What?"
JB> RJ> for all eternity.
JB> DW> I didn't know "onus" was a big word.
JB>Well, from what I've seen, Staal doesn't like 4 letter words, either.
KW> Oh, great. Now Staal's going to start spelling it o**s.
No. He'll even fuck that one up and spell it a**s.
... Become a Coal Geologist...for peat's sake.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Kevin D. McKenzie
|Sub: The only thing for which BroJim would be useful.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:22:40
EID:ce12 20433ac0
Kevin D. Mckenzie, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
said to Zayd Allebban:
KDM> ZAYD ALLEBBAN spoke thusly to JIM STAAL:
ZA>-> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet.
ZA>-> Some day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along
ZA>-> side the head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.)
ZA>-> he may learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he
ZA>-> wallows in the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
ZA>
ZA>Thanks for the tip, Jim. You seem like the only decent one left...
ZA>
ZA>Hopefully WE can got into some religious discussions.
ZA>
ZA>Oh yeah... Just to make sure... Are you Christian? If not, what are
ZA>you?
KDM> This is *rich*. Hmmmm . . . Jim would make a good Muslim, though.
The only thing good that Jimbo would make is fertilizer.
... Beware of true believers...you may be duped by a false god.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Whooping Crane tastes like Spotted Owl and Bald Eagle.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:23:29
EID:6238 20433ae0
Sue Armstrong, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
SA> And Brave Sir Marty ran away, screaming "A balanced dinner...a
SA> chiliburger in each hand."!
RH> Ever hear of ecological balance?
ML> Sure.
ML> A double barreled 10 gauge in one hand and a stack of Spotted
ML> Owls in the other.
SA> Or rather, an Egyptian vulture on one hand, and a stack of dead
SA> African kids on the other ...
As long as that hand is gloved in Harp seal fur...
... Do dyslexic State Troopers hand out IUD's? News at 00:11
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Ark kinda stuff
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:29:44
EID:ead6 204383a0
}:> An lo Martin did give unto Christian a parable on Ark kinda stuff <:(
CM> Back then, humans lived well over 100 years.
MG> Non biblical evidence for this wild and baseless claim.
MG> Surely, are you THIS stupid?
He probably is. And don't call him Shirley...};)
NS
... Does the Existential Vacuum come with attachments?
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:33:54
EID:6af8 20438420
}:> An lo Ryan did give unto Styx a parable on Jim Staal <:(
RS> Styx Allum wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
SA> "In the voting for his voting." Support conservatives,
SA> so that they can support the working class.
RS> Conservatives supporting the working class?
RS> I must have missed something.
Oh sure, they support them all the time. They hold them by the hips
while they REAM them...
}:)
NS
... "Is this sodomy?" asked Frank, half in Earnest.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:36:44
EID:6af8 20438480
}:> An lo Ryan did give unto Styx a parable on Jim Staal <:(
RS> Styx Allum wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
RS> He's also the same man that said he was doing the lord's work when he
RS> ordered further bombing attacks on Iraq, killing more innocent
RS> civilians in the process. It's funny how god always on our side when
RS> the killing starts.
You mean God wasn't on the side of the Iraquis when they were
systematically killing and raping their way through the oil fields?
Imagine my surprize.
NS
... Facts are stupid things. -- Ronald Reagan.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: All
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:08:01
EID:748a 20435900
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa88
Re: HOLYSMOKE Echo Guidelines
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:25:02
EID:980f 20435b20
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa89
REPLY: 0003818b
> We believe that this short life on this world is a test.
> The true believers and worshippers of Allah will go on to Heaven,
> while the non-believers will burn.
You've covered only two of the possibilities:
1.) "true believers" (how do you know which believers are true,
including yourself?)
2.) non-believers
Note that you left out semi-believers, or "something other than true"
believers. In other words, you dichotomized it into pass/fail,
without taking into consideration those who never took the "test".
There are those who have not, nor ever will, hear of "Allah".
> Peace be unto you (Assalamu-Alaikum).
Oh wow. I always wondered what that meant. My dad served on the
Persian Gulf Command (Iran) in 1943, and he used to say that to us
(kids) while we were growing up. Aparently, he didn't say it quite
right. He pronounced it "I suh-lah'-ma-lake-um." Oh well. He also
called Iran & Iraq "I ran & I rack".
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:49:03
EID:cf32 20435e20
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8a
REPLY: 1:207/212 8dc13f38
>SA> Newt apparently has no qualms about what Rush shows, as they are
>SA> good friends, and Newt calls in to his show from his car phone.
> Yeah... very cozy. You support those idiots?
No, I support Newt. I enjoy Rush. Rush isn't running for office,
nor does he need to. I work for a living, and feel that democrats
have no right stealing from me to finance those who won't work.
Pretty simple arithmetic. Watch Rush' TV show, and see what he
exposes of the REAL idiots (liberals).
[* Soapbox mode on *]
Wanna know something really shocking?
I think lesser of liberals than I do of fundies.
Fundies are idiots for being gullible.
Liberals are deliberately selfish, and seek to prevent anyone else
from naturally excelling beyond their own lazy limitations.
If anyone does, liberals believe that they should be heavily taxed
for having done so. They penalize affluency, and reward laziness.
[* Soapbox mode off *]
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Steve Macdonald
|Sub: FIRST TIME ONLINE AND NEE
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:52:04
EID:932b 20435e80
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8b
REPLY: 1:330/204@fidonet.org 2c888baf
> HI ANYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE , I'M 28, AND HAVE A NEW COMPUTER.
> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND HERE, SO ANY HELP WOULD BE
> APPRECIATED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
First rule of order:
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Thanks.
Oh. And welcome to HolySmoke. ;-)
-Styx
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:21:05
EID:b41a 204362a0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8c
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 11268ee3
>SA> "In the voting for his voting." Support conservatives,
>SA> so that they can support the working class.
> Conservatives supporting the working class?
> I must have missed something.
Indeed. About 40 years of democrats in congress.
As I've stated before, congress runs the country. Presidents are
mostly figureheads. It's time for a conservative congress.
After 40 years, there's a lot of repairing to be done.
-Styx
P.S.
Stop believing what the liberals paraphrase of conservatives,
and actually observe the people themselves. C-SPAN, Meet the Press,
Face the Nation, live debates... Screw the damned papers and
slanted editorials. Get info straight from the source.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:29:06
EID:b41a 204363a0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8d
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 11268ef1
> Styx Allum wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
>SA> (And Bush obviously was not a genuine fundy - he merely
>SA> knew how to gain support from the theistic masses by faking it.)
>SA> Did you ever examine his face for the giveaway "glazed eyes" that
>SA> real fundies have? He didn't have them. His eyes were those
>SA> of a sly fox.
> Oh, so you vote for fakes?
When they can outsmart the fundies at their own game, yes. ;-)
> He's also the same man that said he was doing the lord's work
> when he ordered further bombing attacks on Iraq, killing more
> innocent civilians in the process.
See above.
> It's funny how god always on our side when the killing starts.
Funny? Hmm. Not even ironic, really. As I've stated before,
God was created in man's image. Recall this excerpt from my
"Dogma Rock" song:
[...]
This mantis doesn't pray.
The Jesus-freaks can go their way
passing judgement amongst themselves
and those who refuse to obey
an imaginary god
created in their own image
that changes day by day.
[...]
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Gramm
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:38:07
EID:0089 204364c0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8e
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E2F
> his opponent opened a debate with a scathing speech about all
> of the welfare programs Gramm had cut or advocated cutting. He
> sat down, satisfied the he had just demolished his opponent.
> Gramm took the podium and began: "Everything he just said ... is
> absolutely true. In fact, if welfare is your highest aspiration,
> he's your man."
See why I like Gramm? Yee-hah!
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Roland
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:48:08
EID:5b93 20436600
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa8f
> I am a christain.. And i believe most of the Christian ideas.
> But i have on question....
> In Genesis 1:24 God created all animals on the earth..and
> later that day he created man. In his image...
Not to worry. In chapter 2, it says that Adam was alone, so animals
were created. It just depends upon which part of the bible you want
to believe. You get to have it both ways. Neat book. You can read
whatever you want out of it.
Mighty convenient, as so many "Christians" have learned.
> But scientist have proven that there was 65 million years
> between the death of the dinosaurs and the beginning of man....
Does that tell you anything about Christian mythology vs. consistency?
> Did God create dinosaurs at the same time as man?
> Or did God create dinosaurs before that,
..or did God even create the dinosaurs? Hmmm.....?
> perhaps as his first try at a living world..then realize that the
> dinosaurs were incapable of worshiping him and destroy them...
Implying that he didn't know how his own creations work? Hmmm....?
> Then 65 million years later create man.
Indicating an imperfection prior to man - yet another imperfect being.
> If anyone has any answers to my question..or any ideas,
> please leave a message here in this echo for me...
You gottit. I think you're well on your way to becoming a realist,
in light of the fact that you are open-minded enough to question
the obvious inconsistencies in the bible. Welcome to HolySmoke, Roland.
> thanx
Any time. That's why we're here. (That, and to have fun.)
-Styx
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: information
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:53:09
EID:fdca 204366a0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa90
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89174388
>SA> Christians support censorship & restrictions.
> To echo your own words, get your information about Christians from
> unbiased sources and from Christians themselves.
I get my information from observance of those proclaiming to be
Christian. Just like yourself:
> What you just said is true of very few. Most Christians --
> not all, but most -- are quite respectful of the first amendment.
> We just want the right to not have what we find offensive
> shoved in our faces.
I rest my case, Michael. You just supported my statement.
How would you enforce such a "right" without censorship of
what YOU find offensive?
[gotcha]
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: God's Word
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:01:10
EID:08e0 20436820
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 110afa91
> Hi Styx.
> First off what a interesting name, your mother really must have
> liked them.
BZZZZZZT! I'm not named after the band, Brad. I was born long before
the band came to be, and it was not my mother who named me.
> I have not found falsehoods in the bible, what ones do you think
> there are?
(We'll stick to the one in question for now)
>SA> Pop quiz: Which came first: Adam or the animals? Read Genesis
>SA> chapters 1 & 2 before answering.
> I don't know what you are trying to get at by asking what came
> first animals creatures or Man? I do believe it was the beast
> of the earth.
> Genesis 1:24
> And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after
> his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after
> his kind: and it was so.
> Genesis 1:27
> So God created man in his image, in the image of God created
> he him; male and female created he them.
I said to read (both) chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis. Read chapter 2
to see how it suddenly reverses to Adam first... THEN the animals.
> God Bless Styx!
But don't pay the ferryman until he gets you to the other side. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:01:42
EID:818c 20432820
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112ed3d
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E24
30 Jan 96 22:49, Michael Hardy wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
MH> Why is Jim being dumped on so heavily for using pseudonyms? Mark
MH> "Hector Plasmic" Kime hides beind one,
Hector uses *one*.
MH> and so does "Capt. Fuck."
Fuck was dumped on. You didn't notice it because you didn't want to notice
it. If you had, you wouldn't have any ammunition for your defense of Staal.
Back to Hector, he uses *one* alias, not a whole slew of them. Hector apparently
doesn't feel the need to try to circumvent twit filters. Jimbob does. Hector
doesn't come up with a phoney name each time he wants to say something yet
not have that something attributed directly to him.
MH> And for all we know, some of the names used that sound authentic
MH> may be false. (e.g. "Dr. James Robertson.")
MH> Why does only Jim get criticized for it?
Executioners kill people. Serial killers kill people. Why is it that only
serial killers get blamed for it?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: children
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:13:10
EID:f06c 204321a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e1b4
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E0E
29 Jan 96 22:35, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Is he? Tell it to the children of Sodom and Gamorrah. Tell it
DW>> to the Canaanite children. Tell it to the Midianite children.
DW>> Oops... waitaminute... they're all dead, aren't they?
DW>> Slaughtered by the command of your "fair and just" God. So much
DW>> for that claim.
MH> Actually, since they died while they were still innocent, they're
MH> enjoying eternity in heaven and probably have no complaints.
Really? Since aborted fetuses die while they are still innocent, they're
enjoying eternity in heaven and probably have no complaints.
MH> In fact, since God's judgment kept them from growing up to
MH> adopt the evil ways of their parents, they're probably very
MH> grateful.
In fact, since the actions of abortion providers kept them from growing
up to adopt the sinful ways of mankind in general, they're probably very
happy.
Hmmm... the hypocrisy meter pegged on that one - it wasn't designed to measure
hypocrisy of this magnitude. I guess I'll have to build another one.
You disgust me. In fact, with this message, you've placed yourself on Maria's
level (somewhere below that of planarians, if you were wondering).
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jm Staal
|Sub: David...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:49:56
EID:b52a 20432620
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e9e8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 311184a0
Which of the varied Staal personae is in possession of the neuron tonight?
02 Feb 96 02:49, Jm Staal wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> BTW, Staalie (if you're reading this), your wife is a dumbass.
JS> Hmmmm...does the term 'coward' come to mind,
When reading a message from you? Yes, oddly enough, it does. To paraphrase
my grandfather, don't type checks with your fingers that your ass can't
cash.
Your account is seriously overdrawn, Jimbob.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:10:29
EID:0511 20432940
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112eecf
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E38
01 Feb 96 20:48, Michael Hardy wrote to Shelby Sherman:
MH> "words of God." I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but it
MH> is the word of God as presented by a variety of human authors.
Keep the above in mind, Mikey.
MH> More to the point, yes, if a section of a book can be shown to
MH> not
MH> have been part of the original version of the book, but added by a
MH> *much* later hand, why should I take it is authoritative?
What makes the earlier "hand" any more authoritative that the later hand?
Could it be simply that you don't like what the later hand had to say, and
thus dismiss it out of hand?
God allows the verses in question to remain in "his Word". Who are you to
contradict God?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: All
|Sub: Hardly!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:52:44
EID:4be1 20432680
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112ea5c
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E13
30 Jan 96 20:19, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Nope. I've got my patented Hardly excuse: "I only read mail to
DW>> me."
MH> It's odd that you attribute this excuse to me, as I've certainly
MH> never used it. I read plenty of mail that is not addressed to me,
MH> although I don't read every message posted.
Am I imagining things, or is Hardly lying out his ass again?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: hypocrite
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:17:41
EID:7f74 20432220
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e3c4
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E51
01 Feb 96 20:15, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>>> Go ride Staal some more :)
JS>> Ride this!
DW>> Do you think Jesus is proud of such behavior, hypocrite?
MH> Injured or not, you are being a prick, Dave.
It's my job, Mari...er Michael.
MH> You're just goading Jim for a reaction so you can slam him when
MH> you get it.
Did you have a point to make?
MH> You're acting like a spoiled brat.
ROFL! I am performing experiments. Jim is my lab rat (just as you have been
on occasion).
MH> You were probably the kid in school who was always picked on, so
MH> now you're taking out your frustrations on people you don't even
MH> know.
ROFL^2. Right, Mikey - whatever floats your boat.
DW>> I see him, he's kinky and cheap.' - Debra Murphree refering to
DW>> Jimmy Swaggart (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
MH> Cheap shot,
Is it? Is it as cheap as Jim's comment to Gwen to the effect that her ex-husband
was smart for beating her?
Michael, the following comments are made in all seriousness. Leave this
echo. Now. Do not read another message after this one. With each passing
day, you stick your head farther up your ass and retreat deeper into the
ranks of fundydom. While I'd be sorry to see one of my lab rats leave, this
echo is obviously not a very good place for you.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:25:43
EID:f9ea 20432320
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e40a
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E2D
You just had to ignore my advice, didn't you? I figured as much.
30 Jan 96 21:47, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I wonder how long I'll have to wait?
MH> Please stop spreading lies, David.
Just as soon as you give up that load of hypocrisy you carry around.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: injury
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:26:57
EID:c0c0 20432340
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e430
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E4A
Just can't give it up, can you?
01 Feb 96 18:52, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Al Schroeder <=-
DW>>> Both the osteo and a neurosurgeon I visted later tell me I'm
DW>>> going to have to have surgery eventually. The prospect of
DW>>> spending six weeks flat on my back doesn't make me very happy...
MH> Well that explains why you've so bad-tempered lately. Hope you feel
MH> better soon. Back injuries are nothing to take lightly.
It happened three years ago.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:28:54
EID:5226 20432380
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e4d9
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E55
01 Feb 96 20:23, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
JS>> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet.
JS>> Some day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along
JS>> side the head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12
JS>> lbs.)
DW>> You wanna try it, shithead?
MH> Such brilliance. I am in awe! "Shithead!" Man, it takes a real genius
MH> to come up with that one, yes sir.
As much as a genius as it takes to bandy about semi-veiled threats like
"whacks him up along the side the head" and the whole milkcrate business?
That much of a genius, Mikey? Is there anyone you *won't* offer a knee-jerk
defense for?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:30:44
EID:5226 204323c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e5d8
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E56
01 Feb 96 20:24, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Fuck Fuck Shit Shit Goddamn Goddamn
DW>> Goddamn, I could go on like this all night.
MH> Obviously. Unfortunately, that's about all you can do, it seems.
I can sure drag response out of you, can't I? How's it feel to be a guinea
pig, Mikey?
DW>> BTW, your wife is a silly bitch.
MH> Jim found a woman to marry him, Davey.
A female stupid enough to marry such a poor excuse for a carbon-based life
form does not deserve the name "woman", Mikey. I know rutabagas with enough
sense not to marry Staalie.
MH> Have you done so well?
I do well enough, thanks.
MH> BTW, calling a woman a bitch is a sign of woman-hating. That's what
MH> everbody said to Jim when he said it.
Notice that I was not one of those everybodies.
MH> Perhaps that explains why your love life is limited to Rosie
MH> Palm and her five sisters.
Projecting again, Mikey? Has Mrs. Hardy been making you sleep on the couch
lately?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:41:06
EID:3ac7 20432520
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e7a6
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fe7ee
Which one of the varied Staal personae is in possession of the neuron this
morning?
31 Jan 96 15:58, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
JS>> Ride this!
DW>> Do you think Jesus is proud of such behavior, hypocrite?
JS> And what behaviour might that be?
Let me requote you:
JS>> Ride this!
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:42:21
EID:3ac7 20432540
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e847
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Which of the varied Staal personae is in possession of the neuron tonight?
31 Jan 96 15:59, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
JS>> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but
JS>> leave the lovely Wilbur out of it.
JS>
DW>> My statement stands, Jim-bob. Any woman who would voluntarily
DW>> marry a putz like you is not very bright. Wanna try and make me
DW>> take it back?
JS> Step up on this crate here so I can hear your puny little voice and
JS> we'll discuss it further.
Translation: "I, Jim Staal, hereby admit that I'm a gutless coward who makes
threats ('treading on this ice') left and right, yet slinks off like a dog
with his tail between his legs when called on those threats."
Thanks for the honesty, Jimbo.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:45:13
EID:3ac7 204325a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3112e977
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fe7f1
Which of the varied Staal personae has possession of the neuron tonight?
31 Jan 96 16:02, Jim Staal wrote to David Worrell:
JS>> (2 Tim 3:6 NIV) They are the kind who worm their way into homes
JS>> and gain control over weak-willed women,
DW>> Well whaddya know! The bible is talking about you! Amazing. (All
DW>> this is assuming, of course, that Wilbur [the ditzy broad] isn't
DW>> some figment of your fevered imagination.)
JS> Wilbur weakwilled? HA! That lovely red-head has more will in her pinky
JS> than the likes of you have in...well, we all know you are a spineless
JS> wonder
Spineless wonder? I don't make baseless threats, Jimbob. If *I* ever tell
you you're treading on thin ice, it'll be the last time I have to tell you.
You, on the other hand, can't seem to back up *any* of your inane threats.
JS> who can only prove his alleged man hood by ridiculing a man's
JS> wife he doesn't even know...
My manhood is not in question, Jimbob. For that matter, neither is Wilbur's.
Your manhood is not in question either - we've already determined that it
doesn't exist.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:56:30
EID:a537 20432700
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31 Jan 96 21:28, Dan Ceppa wrote to David Worrell:
DC> Didn't get all the details, but the bottom line was this: He
DC> told her no, and then stated: "No, honey, don't love me, _obey_
DC> me." And, yes, he is religiously xian....
Sounds like you work with Wilbur.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 05:27:17
EID:5226 20432b60
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Still here?
01 Feb 96 20:21, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Fuck your imaginary brother.
DW>> Oh, yeah. Fuck your imaginary wife, too.
MH> Do you ever get tired of sounding like a vo-tech drop-out with a
MH> drinking problem?
Nope. If I quit sounding like a vo-tech drop out, I wouldn't get to see
the knee-jerk responses you're so famous for.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:54:37
EID:8918 204326c0
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01 Feb 96 05:02, Mark Hogan wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> re: cunt
MH>> =) The bottom line is, the usage of that word is childish.
DW>> You're starting to sound like a fundy, Mark. Words are tools -
DW>> you
MH> ROFL! Come on, David; we've been through this before.
We have? Then allow me to correct myself. I should have said, "You're *still*
sounding like a fundy, Mark."
Please accept my apologies for the oversight.
DW>> cunt (I just had to say it again)
And again.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: paul
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:34:57
EID:bdaf 20432440
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30 Jan 96 20:20, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
MH>> Yes, and if you had read this thread from the beginning, you'd
MH>> see I corrected the misunderstanding. Paul was born a Roman
MH>> citizen -- however, he was very much a Jew by education and
MH>> upbringing.
DW>> Oh, so that's why you said:
MH>>>>> He was not Roman.
DW>> Is that some more of that new fundy-logic I've been hearing so
DW>> much about?
MH> David, if you had a brain in your head, you'd have understood. I
MH> meant that Paul was a Roman by citizenship but a Jew by culture
MH> and upbringing.
blah blah blah....
MH> I was wrong to say "He was not Roman,"
See how easy it is to admit that you were wrong? Wanna try it again?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Polish...polish...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:59:08
EID:63cc 20432760
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01 Feb 96 21:38, Norbert Sykes wrote to Jim Staal:
JS>> Meanwhile he wallows in the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
NS> net goes much further than that. You've just branded yourself as a
NS> bigot, sir.
Just? Jimbob accomplished that feat long ago.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: same story
|Date: 03 Feb 96 04:36:15
EID:3042 20432480
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01 Feb 96 20:13, Michael Hardy wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> How are we supposed to take you Christians seriously when each
DW>> and every one of you tells a different story?
MH> Actually, we're all saying the same thing, Davey. The sticking point
MH> is, whose responsibility is it? Steve, Jim and I seem to agree that
MH> because you have the choice to go to heaven and you refuse it, you
MH> send yourself to hell.
You (very unwisely, I might add) decide to take a shortcut through a dark
alley one night. I jump out from the shadows, hold a gun to your head, and
say, "Give me your money or I'll kill you."
You have a choice to make here, correct? Using the logic you display above,
I should be held blameless for killing you after you refuse to give me your
money. After all, you *refused* the other choice. You kill yourself.
MH> You stamp your feet like a six-year-old throwing a tantrum and
MH> demand that the eternal and holy creator of the universe should
MH> let you have everything your way.
I demand no such thing. I simply refuse to go to Hell. What's going to happen
to me on judgment day?
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 15:03:45
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02 Feb 96 17:10, quoting Jim Staal to All:
JS> Dear All:
JS> After much consideration, I have decided that it is time to leave the
JS> echo.
Here's your sendoff, moron. Put this in your MILK CRATE.
HOLYSMOKE: He buggered off.
SS: So he has, he scarpered.
HOLYSMOKE (singing): Brave Brother Jimmy/Lump ran away
Brother Jimmy/Lump: No!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): Bravely ran away away
Brother Jimmy/Lump: I didn't!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Brother Jimmy/Lump: No!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): Yes Brave Brother Jimmy/Lump turned about
Brother Jimmy/Lump: I didn't!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
Brother Jimmy/Lump: I never did!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): He beat a very brave retreat
Brother Jimmy/Lump: Oh, lie!
HOLYSMOKE (singing): Bravest of the brave Brother Jimmy/Lump
Brother Jimmy/Lump: I never!
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: All
|Sub: Brother Jimmy
|Date: 03 Feb 96 18:46:33
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02 Feb 96 17:10, quoting Jim Staal to All:
JS> To those I might have offended, I reget that. To those who perceived
JS> offense, it wasn't my intent.
This is nothing more than an out and out lie.
JS> jstaal@ios.iosbbs.com
I hope you like mail (snicker)
JS> or by snail mail...yes, you guessed it:
JS> Jim Staal Ministries
JS> P.O. Box 171
JS> Grandville, MI 49468-0171
How much does it cost to freight Star Goat droppings to Michigan?
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Re: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:05:51
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DW>>> Place a box on the ground. THe box should be a 4" cube and weigh
over
DW>>> thirty pounds. Bend at the waist to pick it up, using one hand.
It
DW>>> helps if you've led a rough life to begin with, and your back isn't
it
DW>>> the best shape already.
AS>> To tell you the truth, I read that earlier, and was wondering how
you
AS>> could hurt your back with a thirty lb. weight. But the one hand explains
AS>> it...too much weight on one side of your body.
RB> You can hurt your back picking up a pencil.
Hell, you can hurt it before you get all the way down to whatever you're
trying to pick up.
--- Hymen
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Re: love
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:09:11
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MH>>>> Because God's desire is for the heinous blasphemers to repent of
MH>>>> their blasphemy and become Christ-followers.
This god of his sounds like a little kid. "Quit calling me names!"
What's an omnipotent god care if people call it names?
MH>>>> Christians are called to desire the same.
LB>>> Just out of curiousity, but is there any concept of a NONheinous
LB>>> blasphemer? Because if not, isn't that redundant?
MH>> I used the phrase because Rob had. I was just adopting his patois.
MH>> It's not something I'd've come up with myself.
'tis true -- Mikey's only known phrase invention was "flaming fundy
looney of the first order."
RB> And I got 'heinous blasphemer' from Staal and he got it from
RB> Preacher Bob and he got it from Reverend Failwell and he got
RB> it from the LORD ALMIGHTY!!!
Mikey tried "I got it from Hector!" but no one believed that one, either.
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Saul the Jewish Roman
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:21:25
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GtP>>>>> pay a big price for my citizenship" "But I was born a
GtP>>>>> citizen," Paul replied. (NIV)
DW>>> Have you *read* that Bible you thump, Hardy?
MH>> Yes, and if you had read this thread from the beginning, you'd see
I
MH>> corrected the misunderstanding. Paul was born a Roman citizen --
MH>> however, he was very much a Jew by education and upbringing.
DW> Oh, so that's why you said:
MH>>>>> He was not Roman.
DW> Is that some more of that new fundy-logic I've been hearing so much
DW> about?
Must be. I'm an atheist. I'm also an American. Mikey will now try to
limit my choices to one or the other, no doubt.
--- Tear it down
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: Re: Questions? About _what_?
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:27:27
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ZA> I'll gladly answer any questions anyone may have about my religion.
Just one: got any evidence your gods exist outside the human
imagination? Any at all?
BTW, if I say Mohammed was Allah's boy-toy, don't you have to try to kill
me?
--- Tear a new one
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Re: Quantum pseudoscience
|Date: 01 Feb 96 18:30:58
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JB> Whether the "Quantum God Hypothesis" is useful or not has nothing to
do
JB> with my _honesty_ or with my integrity. I have lied about NO aspect
of
JB> it, nor bent science out of shape to achieve it. We must not have
JB> gotten deep enough into the QGH for you to have checked the experimental
JB> references I was using. They are the same references I have posted
JB> _here_ several times, in an attempt to get Hector to discuss
JB> _actual_experiments'_ applicability to the overall paradigm that is
JB> QGH/Tetrahedraverse.
You've just exemplified your own dishonesty, John. Several times you've
been asked to show the connection between your references and your gods-
of-the-open-spaces. You have steadfastly failed to do so. I submit
that you _have_ lied about that aspect of your "god's hiding in
nonlocality" bullshit.
BTW, are you still holding forth that Bohm's quantum interpretation,
and, in fact, all interpretations excepting MWI, fall apart due to
non-locality? How'd you make such a silly mistake? :-)
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Re: animal abortions
|Date: 01 Feb 96 08:37:47
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RS>>> In your opinion is it immoral to discard the cat fetii such as this?
MH>> I have also made it clear that only *human* life is sacred, in my
MH>> opinion.
RS> This is a problem.
Many would have a problem with Mikey's morality here (not to mention the
use of the word "sacred"). The phrase "either you're for life or
against it" comes to mind. :-)
Frankly, my dog's life is worth more to me than Mikey's. I wonder how
he reconciles that?
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|From: Hector Plasmic
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 01 Feb 96 08:43:47
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LB>>> George -- you just described perfectly the Christian concept of
LB>>> why God lets us make harmful mistakes (THE question flying around
LB>>> here recently). Do you feel you are a bad or neglectful parent
LB>>> when you let your child fail? Do you get off on watching him
LB>>> suffer, or does it bother you as much as it bothers him?
AS>> B-b-but-+-but that's DIFFERENT!!!
AS>> Do you think they'll EVER believe us on this one...?
DW> Are you and Lynda trying to claim that parents are omnipotent? Maybe
DW> you're trying to say God is no more omnipotent than the average parent?
DW> No matter how you squirm around, that omnipotence concept nails your
DW> ass every time.
"Hi. Your father, who left before you were born, sent me, and he says
if you believe that he's your father he'll give you a million bucks,
but if you don't, he'll kill you."
"Sod off, I don't believe you."
[Click -- bang.]
My, what a loving parent _that_ is!
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: ALL
|Sub: PALUXY CLAIMS!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:08:00
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* Originally By: Len Flank
* Originally To: Shelby Sherman
* Originally Re: PALUXY CLAIMS!
* Original Area: EVOLUTION
* Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.11
SS>Well the ICR is STILL actively lieing. When I was at the ICR, I
SS>picked up the September copy of _Acts & Facts_.
Here's another recent lie by ICR:
In the January 1996 issue of Acts and facts, the ICR's monthly
newsletter, the following small article appeared:
"TULSA ZOO REMOVES EVOLUTION EXHIBIT"
Tulsa architect Dan Hicks, supported by a petition signed by
2000 area residents, plus a scientifically conducted poll showing
that over 2/3 of the city's population believed the zoo should not
promote evolution, was able recently to persuade city officials
to remove exhibits depicting horse evolution and human evolution
from display at the zoo. Hicks and his co-workers credited the
influence of ICR materials with playing a significant part in
this action and also suggested that citizens in other communities
could undertake similar projects."
However, when I wrote to the Tulsa Zoo to ask about this, I
found that things were not at all as the ICR was attempting to
paint them. A copy of a memo dated January 8, 1996, was sent
to me. It reads:
"RECOLLECTION FROM THE 1995 ORIGINS ENCOUNTER:
Early in 1995, a private citizen (and member of Tulsa Zoo
Friends) by the name of Dan Hicks approached the Zoo staff with
requests that some Zoo signage be modified. He stated that he
was offended by some text, and confounded by that fact that said
text contradicted beliefs that he had instilled in his child at
home. He specified (a) graphic reference to a common ancestor
for chimps and man; (b) 'straight-line evolution' as represented
by Equus models in one of our displays; (c) another display's
reference to the age of the Cosmos. He offered to replace some
of the signage at his own expense, as well to provide a
'disclaimer' attesting to the 'non-factual' nature of
evolutionary 'theories'. He was thanked for his interest and
input, assured that some thought woul dbe given to his comments
about horse evolution, and told that his offer to provide new
signage at his own expense would not be necessary.
During the next six months, Dan frequently wrote to me and others
with the same basic requests. He appealed to ZooFriends'
Executive Director and President, the Director of the Parks and
Recreation Department, the Chairman of the Park Board, City
Council persons, and the Mayor of Tulsa. Many letters of protest
were received from private citizens; most of these were based
on a form letter, and many seemed to be affiliated with
fundamentalist churches in our area. Letters were written to the
editors of local newspapers as well. Petitions were submitted
with up to 2,000 signatures; to my knoweldge, these were not
prepared or conducted by an independent agency. Our City's
population is about 380,000; the metropolitan area is 745,000,
and I am unaware of a 'scientifically conducted poll'
representing two-thirds of either population number.
In September, City and PArk officials met with Dan Hicks and his
associate to discuss their concerns. Although we did not feel
it was appropriate to honor all of his requests, we did agree
to the following: (a) to place a sign at the Zoo's entry which
states, 'There are many views on the origin of biological species
and their behaviors. The information that accompanies our
displays is based on compelling evidence of the natural sciences.
Because scientific knowledge is subject to change, these displays
may be revised as new informatin becomes available.' (b) to
reword one line of signage from our chimp exhibit from
'Scientific blood tests show that chimpanzees are man's closest
biological relative, branching off from a common ancestor
about 6 million years ago' to 'Scientific blood tests, including
DNA analysis, show a biological similarity between chimps and
people'. (c) to modify the exhibit on Equus ancestry to more
completely reflect current sicentiifc thought, using the writings
of Dr. Bruce McFadden.
Although Mr Hicks volunteered to work with us on copy for the
latter modification, we declined his offer. The general tone
of our meeting expressed a need for sensitivity to the beliefs
of different groups, but confirmed that established scientific
principles could not be ignored or watered-down."
David G. Zucconi, Director
Tulsa Zoo and Living Museum
In a personal note to me, Director Zucconi says:
"Lenny--thanks for your letter; it made my day! As you can see
from this 'recollection', we did not remove any exhibits nor
turn our backs on basic biological information. We are trying
to avoid an 'in-your-face' attitude (this is, after all, the
Bible Belt), but not at the expense of objective interpretation
of data. The City (Mayor et al) has been supportive and
helpful. Your interest and support is appreciated."
A letter I sent to ICR, asking them to provide the name,
methodology and results of the person who conducted their
"scientifically conducted poll" (as well as asking them bluntly
why their Acts and Facts article claims that exihibits and
displays were removed when in fact they had not been) has so
far gone unanswered. Hmmm.
It therefore appears that nearly every sentence in the ICR's
newsletter article was blatantly untrue. There was no
"scientifically conducted poll" done by ICR or anybody else.
The Zoo did NOT remove any exhibits depicting horse and human
evolution. In fact, the distinct impression given by the
Zoo is that they cosnidered the cretinists to be a huge
pain in the neck, and wished they would just go away. They
apparently dealt with the ICR's minions by politely brushing
them off and making a few cosmetic changes.
If one were cynical, one would suppose that the ICR's inaccurate
story concerning this "victory" was deliberate, with the
unacknowledged goals of (1) rallying the cretinist troops ("see,
we won this time!"), (2) making sure those donations to ICR keep
coming in ("we can win elsewhere too") and (3) encouraging
other supporters to get out there and fight for the Lord. Thus,
ICR's newsletter article can best be viewed as a flat-out
falsehood which was told in order to keep those checks coming.
How typically creationist.
Lenny Flank
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: Geocentrism
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:25:00
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-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to David Rice <=-
JH> Can you resend the whole thing again?
-----------------------------------------
Contra Mundum
No. 6 Winter 1993
What is Geocentricity?
by Gerardus D. Bouw
Copyright 1993 Gerardus D. Bouw
------------------------------------------------------------
To hear tell, geocentrism, the ancient doctrine that the
earth is fixed motionless at the center of the universe, died
over four centuries ago. At that time Nicolaus Copernicus, a
Polish canon who dabbled in astrology, claimed that the sun
and not the earth was at the center of the universe. His idea
is known as heliocentrism. It took a hundred years for
heliocentrism to become the dominant opinion; it did so with
a complete lack of evidence in its favor.
Yet the victory of heliocentrism has been less than total.
Over the years geocentrism has had its spokesmen. Among
scientists who adhered to the centrality of the earth were
three generations of Cassinis: a family of astronomers who
dominated French astronomy from the late seventeenth to the
early nineteenth centuries. Astronomers, pastors, and
educators in the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church
maintained the geocentric truths well into the twentieth
century. They, with the reformers such as Luther, saw that
the embracing of heliocentrism would weaken not only science,
but also the authority of the Bible.
The second of these two concerns: how the Bible's authority
is weakened by heliocentrism; stems from the firm manner in
which the Bible teaches geocentricity. Geocentric verses
range from those with only positional import, such as
references to 'up' and 'down'; through the question of just
what the earth was 'orbiting' the first three days while it
awaited the creation of the sun; to overt references such as
Ecclesiastes 1, verse 5:
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose.
Perhaps the strongest geocentric verse in the Bible is Joshua
10:13:
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people
had avenged themselves upon their enemies. It not this written in
the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of
heaven, and hastened not to go down about a whole day.
Here the Editor of scripture, the Holy Ghost Himself,
endorses the daily movement of the sun and moon. After all,
God could just as well have written: "And the earth stopped
turning, so that the sun seemed to stand still, and the moon
seemed to stay." That wording would be not more "confusing"
to the reader than anything in Job chapters 38 through 41. [1]
About the immobility of the earth the Bible seems clear
enough. The nineteenth-century mathematician Augustus de
Morgan put it quite succinctly when he wrote that those who
try to get around the Bible's wording:
make strange reasons. They undertake a priori, to settle Divine
intentions. The Holy Spirit did not mean to teach natural
philosophy: this they know beforehand; or else they infer it from
finding that the earth does move, and the Bible says it does not.
Of course, ignorance apart, every word is truth, or the writer
did not mean truth. But his puts the whole book on its trial: for
we never can find out what the writer meant, unless we otherwise
find out what is true. Those who like may, of course, declare for
an inspiration over which they are to be viceroys; but common
sense will either accept the verbal meaning or deny verbal
inspiration. [2} [Emphasis added.]
In other words, either God writes what he means and means
what he writes, or else he passes off mere appearances as
truths and ends up the liar. The ultimate issue is one of
final authority: is the final say God's or man's? This is
brought home again and again by humanists, such as the
twentieth-century philosopher Bertrand Russell and astronomer
Ivan King, who point to the church's abandonment of
geocentricity as having "freed" man from the ancient
God-centered outlook on life to the modern man-centered
outlook. [3]
The Copernican Revolution, as this change of view is called,
was not just a revolution in astronomy, but it also spread
into politics and theology. In particular, it set the stage
for the development of Bible criticism. After all, if God
cannot be taken literally when He writes of the "rising of
the sun", then how can He be taken literally in writing of
the "rising of the Son?"
The other of the two concerns over heliocentrism, as
expressed by the reformers, is that the earth-centered view
is better science than is heliocentrism. Although hints of
that have sporadically surfaced in physics over the last 150
years, only in the last decade has this claim become
substantial through a new discipline called geocentricity.
Whereas geocentrism was a concept which divided the universe
into independent parts, geocentricity is an integrative
approach, starting from the very smallest parts and
integrating them into a unified view of the universe. For
being only eleven years old, geocentricity has been
surprisingly successful.
To illustrate the difference in approach between
geocentricity and heliocentrism, consider the derivation of
the equations which technicians use to orbit space ships. Now
some will insist that since satellites are sent up using
heliocentrically-derived equations, that the space program is
proof of heliocentrism. This erroneously assumes that the
geocentrically-derived equations would be different from the
heliocentric ones. That such is not the case has repeatedly
been shown in scientific papers since the turn of the
century. [4] These papers show that the geocentric model is
entirely compatible with phenomena such as the stationary
satellite, the Foucault pendulum, the equatorial bulge, and
how the distant stars can be 'moving' faster than the speed
of light; [5] in short, they answer every argument based on
the Coriolis and centrifugal effects. The main difference is
that geocentric models must always take the existence of the
universe into account whereas heliocentric models always
ignore it. Other than that, the differences between
heliocentrism and geocentricity are philosophical and
theological. [6]
To further illustrate the difference the geocentric theory
can make in viewing the universe, consider the two rivals'
views on what space looks like on very, very small scales. At
a scale much smaller than nuclear particles, modern science
describes space as "foamy". The size of these foamy bubbles
or "grains" of space is very small, amounting to only about
0.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,002 centimeter
(written as 2x10-33 cm). Each grain has a mass of about
0.00002 gram. According to the heliocentrically-based view,
the grains spontaneously appear out of nothing, exist for a
brief instant (5x10-44 second), and then vanishes into the
nothingness from which they came. Strictly speaking, this
violates the first law of thermodynamics which claims that
energy can neither be created or destroyed by any natural
process.
The geocentric theory explains the grains of space without
violating any of the laws of thermodynamics. It takes the
grains at face value, presuming them to be real. The medium
of the grains is tremendously dense (4x1993 gm/cm3): so dense
that one would have to pack 1039 universes into a cube one
centimeter on a side in order to match their density.
Geocentric theory has identified the grains as making up the
firmament of Genesis chapter 1. [7]
It has been shown that because of the presence of nuclear
matter - the materials which makes up our every-day world -
the firmament must rotate once every 24 hours. [8] In other
words, the model of the firmament mathematically mandates the
Biblical, geocentric 24-hour period. The material objects of
the universe are not at all aware of this rotation. Thus
arguments about stars moving faster than the speed of light
are based on incomplete knowledge. And dense though it is, we
effortlessly move thorough the firmament. That, too, follows
from the equations.
The firmament goes a long way towards explaining some of the
mysteries of modern science. It readily explains why more
massive nuclear particles are smaller than less massive ones.
In the every-day realm it explains why, in general, mass
depends on volume. It explains why very large objects, such
as galaxies and clusters of galaxies seem to be as much as
500 times more massive than is indicated by the amount of
light they generate. [9] In addition, the firmamental model
readily accounts for such experimental results as the Sagnac
effect, the Faraday disk-generator paradox, earth's
night-time electric field, and ball lightning. All of these
point to geocentricity as serious science.
Despite the testimony of all the equations, and despite the
published testimonies of top scientists to the viability of
geocentricity as a model of the universe, and despite the
inability of experiments to establish its truth or falsity;
some will still scoff at geocentricity. How can one ever
determine which is the truth? Only by going outside the
universe and taking a look around can one ascertain the truth
of the matter. Without that ability to 'look around outside',
physics cannot resolve the debate. However, since God does
know what is beyond the universe, should His word not be
taken as the final authority? It is the testimony of God as
found in the Bible which constitutes the foundation of modern
geocentricity. May it ever be so. CM
---------------------------------------------------
For more information about geocentricity and the Bible and
astronomy, the interested reader can write to:
Association for Biblical Astronomy
4527 Wetzel Avenue
Cleveland OH 44109
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|From: Terry Liberty-Parker
|To: All
|Sub: US Bans AbortionSpeak on 'Net
|Date: 03 Feb 96 09:53:47
EID:ae8f 20434ea0
MSGID: 1:382/804.0 11382bd0
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: AUSTIN_LIBERTY) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Originally from Terry Liberty-Parker (1:382/804.0) to All.
Original dated: Feb 03 '96, 09:46
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: netmail) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:12:18 -0700
From: "Craig J. Bolton"
And so it begins. How appropriate that the fools should choose an issue
on which most factions are united.
Craig Bolton
===---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:12:02 -0800 (PST)
To: ykboo
The "American Reporter" news page at
URL: http://www.newshare.com/Reporter/today.html,
published the following to-night:
<< BY WIDE MARGINS IN EACH BODY, THE HOUSE AND SENATE PASSED THE
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996 WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT PROHIBITS
THE USE OF INDECENT SPEECH ONLINE AND ANOTHER THAT BARS DISCUSSION
OF ABORTION ON THE INTERNET. THE PRESIDENT, ENTERTAINING FRENCH
PRESIDENT JACQUES CHIRAC TONIGHT, IS EXPECTED TO SIGN THE BILL
SHORTLY. A HIGHLY INDECENT ARTICLE DEVOTED TO THE TOPIC
WILL BE PUBLISHED HERE UPON THE SIGNATURE OF THE PRESIDENT IN
ORDER TO LAUNCH THE AMERICAN REPORTER'S CHALLENGE TO THE LAW
IN FEDERAL COURT IN THE FIRST DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSSETTS.>>
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!
|Date: 02 Feb 96 09:25:01
EID:c1f2 20424b20
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Dear AL SCHROEDER,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
AG>> He is indeed very Real, but there is no way you can claim - contrary
AG>> to what He has clearly stated, that `He loves you all'. He does NOT.
AS> "God so loved the WORLD"--not part of the world--"that He gave His
AS> only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish,
AS> but have everlasting life." John 3:16. "He that loveth not knoweth not
AS> God; for God is love." 1 John 4:8. "The Lord is not being slow to
AS> carry out His promises, as anybody else might be called slow; but He
AS> is being patient with you ALL, wanting NOBODY TO BE LOST and
AS> everybody to be brought to change their ways." Sounds like love to
AS> me, Anthony.
Indeed it is `... greater love hath no man than this that he lay down his
life for his friends' (John 15:13). You'll notice that He laid down His
life for His `friends'. But ...
AS> ... "Who is this who darkens council with words without knowledge?"
AS> Job 38
It is yourself. As is your wont to seek to demonstrate how you have found
fault with the Holy Spirit in your elder, lacking the Spirit yourself and
with precious little Bible knowledge - you have quoted Scriptures without
regard for the faith.
God being omniscient, knew from the foundation of the world that the vast
majority would not believe in Him, and the vast majority of those who did
believe in Him would be without faith. And despite His desire that nobody
should be lost, he knew most will be lost. That's why Jesus said, `I pray
_not_ for the world'. And why those who reject His love when confronted
with It are without excuse - be they Jew, Catholic, Buddhist, Baptist, JW
or whatever (Matthew 12:32).
Learn to rightly divide the Word, my Brother. And to Respect your elders
especially they who labor in the Word and Doctrine (i.e. faith). If you
read Ephesians 4 you will discover the purpose and function of those God
has chosen and ordained.
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 10:01:37
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Dear AL SCHROEDER,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
AS> Oh, I appreciate the phone number and the address. They should have
AS> my letter if not now, any day now. I prefer written communication.
AS> It's easier to verify.
Your local library should have access to `All Things are Possible' by David
Edwin Harrell Jr. and `The Preachers' by James Morris.
Your local Full Gospel Business Men's group will be able to give you access
to their back issues of `Full Gospel Men's Voice' Magazines, many of which
spoke of the miracles their meetings witnessed God do through the ministry
of Brother Branham around the world, including raising the dead.
AS> ... I've compiled a list of your faults. It comes in 10 volumes.
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Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 17:52:51
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Dear David Hilling,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
DH>> Are you referring to "truths" like the "Myth of the Holocaust?" Or
DH>> the "International Zionist Conspiracy?"
AGS> Those are truths.
DH>> I don't feel that Jesus or Moses was an embarrasment to the human
DH>> race, although I will concede your point about Paul. It's Jesus's
DH>> half-wit fan club that pisses me off.
AGS> That's because you have not done your homework.
DH>> Anthony, I read everything that you post, and I have seen damned
DH>> little truth in it.
Then consider the following Jewsih `truth'.
In 1983 there was 15,688,259 Jews in the world - according to the
World Almanac for 1947. This figure was given to the World Almanac
by the American Jewish Committee and the Jewish Statistical Bureau
of of the Synagogues of America.
In 1948 there were between 15,600,000 and 18,700,000 Jews in the
world according to an article in the New York Times of February 22,
1948 by Mr. Hanson W. Baldwin, a recognized wholly impartial expert
on population. Mr. Baldwin can by no conceivable stretch of
imagination be termed an anti Semite. Moreover his `boss' and owner
of the New York Times is a Jew Arthur Sulzberger noted as a staunch
friend of Britain. Taking Mr Baldwin's maximum estimate of 17,700,
000, we get that during the ten years, 1938-1948 - which includes
the war years 1935-1945 when Hitler was `supposed' to have killed
the 6,000,000 Jews - Jewish population in the world actually
increased by over 3,000,000 or - if for purposes of argument we
assume that Adolf Hitler `really' did kill 6,000,000 Jews, by 9,000
000 - that is to say the 3,000,000 increase plus 6,O00,000 births
to replace the 6,000,000 killed by Hitler.
As there are now only some 18,000,000 Jews in the wnrld. An increase
of 9,000,000 Jews in the ten years 1938-1949, reprents a total
increase of population (in only ten years) of fifty percent - an
impossibility even for a race so imersed in sex as the Jews.
Even if every single, able-bodied Jew spent 24 hours of every day
between 1938-1948 doing nothing - day-in-day-out - except having
sexual intercourse with every single Jewess (of child bearing age),
it is beyond the possibilities of eugenic science for them to have
produced 9,000,000 young Jews in only ten years.
No wonder Allan Lesser, himself a Jew, was compelled to admit in an
article on "Anti-Defamation Hysteria" in the Spring issue, 1946 of
Menorah Journal that, "As reported during the war years by Jewish
news agencies, the number of Jews killed in more than the Nazis ever
knew existed."
In other words the whole story of the 6,000,000 dead Jews is pure
fiction.
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: LUMP Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:51:16
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LUMP wrote in a message to Sue Alexander:
JS> There, there, Lump...Jimmy loves you non-the-less. We'll ride this
JS> one out...together.
SA> Don't forget the condoms!
L> ....don't worry, we won't mess up like your mother and father did
Really?? Then what is that LUMP now growing in your belly?? Jimbo stuck
it to ya, again!
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:28:09
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Lynda and Jim were killing time yakking about A tale of 2 cities...:
PS> It says in the verses quoted above that bats are birds.
JS> I realize that. Where does it say they aren't was my question.
LB> Are you suggesting they ARE birds? Bats are mammals -- they have fur
LB> and bear live young, rather than lay eggs.
JS> I am not suggesting anything, other than what the Bible says. If it
JS> doesn't say they are not birds somewhere else, there is no
JS> contradiction. That is all...
LB> There is a contradiction with reality, Jim -- it contradicts the
LB> truth. So much for inerrancy.
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
JS> The Bible is indeed inerrant. Apparently what God calls bats are not
JS> what man calls bats, because as the Bible says, the things God calls
JS> bats, He also calls birds.
You mean God's native lan