God Damned Fundies!
|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:25:35
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PS> In Chicago, I've heard that they've a problem with people
PS> stealing aluminum light poles to sell to recycling centers.
PS> It's a damn shame that so many of 'em get electrocuted.
Isn't it though? Who WILL all those crack dealers sell their products to?
Some of them may even have to go out of buisness. that would be too bad.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: HS WEB PAGE
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:27:00
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PS> I had a really nasty one last night, debatably the worst one I've
PS> ever experienced.
I assume that you've had a CAT scan for this?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:44:22
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MG>> to have her kid watch. In my eyes, this is a crime no less
MG>> than the monster that murdered that kid about 30 miles from
MG>> here in Arlington. Both would be classified as child
MG>> molesters.
PS> And both should be drawn and quartered, European style.
And now, Jimbo had taken a powder. Does that mean that we won?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:05:29
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SS> Maybe by now you have read some of the drivel in THUMP_IT? Rich,
SS> ain't it?
Trent doesn't remember his "evidence for god" that he had in a shoebox in
his other office. Isn't that convenient?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Ark kinda stuff
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:11:59
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CM>> Back then, humans lived well over 100 years.
MG>> Non biblical evidence for this wild and baseless claim.
MG>> Surely, are you THIS stupid?
NS> He probably is. And don't call him Shirley...};)
It's hard to tell the christians from the trolls without a scorecard. If
he is christian, he's at least this stupid. If he's a troll, he's even
more stupid.
But maybe I should call him Johnson.....
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Brother Jimmy
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:20:02
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JS>> Jim Staal Ministries
JS>> P.O. Box 171
JS>> Grandville, MI 49468-0171
SS> How much does it cost to freight Star Goat droppings to Michigan?
I wonder how long anchovies on a super large will stay fresh in the PO box.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:21:31
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AG> Your local Full Gospel Business Men's group will be able to give
AG> you access to their back issues of `Full Gospel Men's Voice'
AG> Magazines, many of which spoke of the miracles their
AG> meetings witnessed God do through the ministry of Brother
AG> Branham around the world, including raising the dead.
I would be interested in this and can likely look it up on line. Can you
give the EXACT reference for the issue where the dead were raised. I'm
sure that we can take it apart, piece by piece once we have the real thing
in front of us.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:23:47
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AG> In other words the whole story of the 6,000,000 dead Jews is
AG> pure fiction.
Does this excuse the Nazis?
It sure was nice of them to only kill ten thousand jews rather than six
million.
Moron.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: EVOLUTION
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:27:17
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KS> Don't forget Richie is typing this as verbatim as his ability
KS> allows from an ICR tract, and he hasn't the foggiest idea
KS> what the science does, says or means...
Er.....we picked up on that very early in Morrison's career here. First
he accuses me of not understanding a text file that I posted when I did,
and then he proceeds to type one in of questionable authority that he has
no hope of understanding. when I called him on it, he made some escuse
and then took a powder.
MG>>You have presented nothing of value here. You basically
MG>>copied some stuff down without understanding it, simply
MG>>becasue it reflected your viewpoint. I
KS> Oops, I see you already noticed......
Richie looks like history on HS...having joined the ranks of the Stringfellow,
the Staal, and the Wolff, all cowards thta made themselves look foolish
here and had to run away.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:58:38
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On (03 Feb 96) Steve Quarrella wrote to All...
SQ> Veneris dies February 02 1996, Dixit Jim Staal ad All:
JS> After much consideration, I have decided that it is time to leave the
JS> echo. Actually, looking back, my job was finished long ago and I didn't
JS> realize it. To those who have supported me in what I sought to do I
want
SQ> OK, folks, let's start taking bets as to how long this lasts.
Which persona are you taking bets on? And how do we know when
all of them are gone?
... Hex Dump -- Where witches throw away old curses
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:15:56
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On (02 Feb 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis...
AM> Those witnesses are dead. Many paid with there lives and would
not
AM> recant
AM> no matter what form of torture awaited them. Do you think Nero
AM> throwing
AM> christians to lions in the colliseum is just myth?
Affidavits, please.
... Why do parking spaces vanish when you make a u turn?
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:16:28
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On (03 Feb 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis...
AM> I'm not going to sugar coat it. Thats Gods plan for a marriage. The
AM> worlds
AM> plan has led to a staggering divorce rate.
Funny... most divorces happen in Christian marriages. My husband and I
are very happily married, thanks. NO thanks to "Saint Paul."
AM> Because God has ordained it. Your concern isn't with man, but with
God.
Yes, thus I reject YOUR concept of "him" utterly because of that. Either
he doesn't exist or he isn't worth my time. Either way, I'm happy. And
yes, I will happily go to hell rather than worship that god.
AM> First, your referring to Old Testament Law. If a man and a women are
AM> caught
AM> in adultry both were to be executed. If it was in a field and the womens
AM> cries
AM> could not be heard, only the man was to be executed. If the women was
not
AM> betrothed, then the man would have to pay her father 50 sheckels and
AM> marry the
AM> woman. That may seem harsh, but for a woman to go unmarried in those
days
AM> was a calamity. There were no social welfare programs.
Why are the woman's cries important?
And I'd rather die than marry a rapist, thanks. That's the same kind of
thinking that forces women to carry rapists' babies to term.
And why does a father deserve a dime? He doesn't get any money when his
son marries...
AM> If your reffering to the admonishment in Corinthians, its because women
AM> were
AM> disrupting the church by asking there husbands questions in the middle
of
AM> service.
Funny... in any church service I have ever attended the only disruptions
were from the occasional child crying [and being carried out quietly by
the mother if that was necessary] or coughing. Women have no need to ask
questions of men.
AM> No, your wrong there, study other cultures that reject the
AM> Christian-Judeo
AM> ethic and see how well the women are treated. Asain and Arab cultures
AM> treat
AM> women as dogs.
Asian cultures do a better job than Christian. It is not religious in
that case.
And Islam is worse, I admit it. But only because NON Islamic teachings
pervade the fundamentalists. Just like the Christian fundies.
... "Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks."
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 04 Feb 96 08:23:04
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On (03 Feb 96) Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis...
AM> True, but its still considered science.
Yes, hypotheses, properly and independently validated, are considered
science. This is evolutionary science.
AM> Yes there is. You just want to be a evolungelical fundamentalist.
There is no scientific evidence. People try to lie their way out, but
they can't provide one shred of evidence for a god.
KD> Because they breathe, eat, and excrete like CHILDREN.
AM> After nine weeks a unborn infant has a nervous system. Pumps its own
AM> blood.
AM> After 3 months it can kick, move around sleeps takes in nourishment.
AM> There are thousands of babies that have survived after only 5 months
AM> in the womb. Unless a doctor intrudes with an instrument that snips
off
AM> the tiny legs and arms, then crushes the skull. Then re-assembles
the
AM> "fetus" to see all the parts are there. In the business they call
those
AM> zipper babies.
Thousands? No.
Your lies are ignored.
... Why is there a Permanent Press setting on my iron?
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Why?
|Date: 04 Feb 96 11:20:41
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On (02 Feb 96) Ryan Shaw wrote to George Pope...
RS> Also, would you rather have a heterosexual couple that shoots smack
adopt
RS> a child rather than a hard working homosexual couple?
Worse - I've got a case on record of a MURDERER getting custody of an 11
year old girl because her mother was living in a lesbian relationship.
... SIGN AT NUDIST COLONY - "Clothed for the winter months"
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 04 Feb 96 16:24:11
EID:35c4 20448300
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On (03 Feb 96) Karl Schneider wrote to Robert Jackson...
KS> I stopped in thinking to grab a quick burger and was informed that
KS> the '99 cent' job is a 'kiddie burger' containing ONE OUNCE of
KS> meat, a small bun and nothing else.
Carl's Junior does the same thing.
... Kurt Gump....Smells Like a Box of Chocolates
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: -------
|Date: 04 Feb 96 16:36:53
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On (02 Feb 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Richard Morrison...
RM> Origin: Messages Galore BBS!!, 816-241-6807, Kansas City MO
RM> (1:280/26) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
JH> We got a lot of ships in Missouri?
While I hate to defend a fundy, I recall my uncle was stationed in MO
when in the Navy, as well. Not sure what they have there.
... I will not buy this Tagline, it is scratched
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: FATHER KNOWS BEST
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:07:48
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On (02 Feb 96) Sue Armstrong wrote to AL SCHROEDER...
SA> Maybe we can all be One True somethings or another. I
SA> suppose I can be the echo One True Commie.
Dibs on One True Hobbit.
... A library is an arsenal of liberty.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub: ABORTION ENSLAVES WOM
|Date: 03 Feb 96 20:59:00
EID:2e35 2043a760
SA> Maybe she's thinking instead of "Good Omens", in which Crowley
SA> (aka Crawley) was originally the snake in the garden, totally
SA> bemused at the outcome and discussing it with whatsisname, the
SA> angel. I liked Crowley - he wasn't such a bad bloke, after all.
SA> The angel was a bit of a drip, though.
I liked the hellhound who played catch with the cute adorable little kid
who happened to be the Antichrist, myself. And the four horsemen on
motercycles being challenged by other hell's angels, and asked what
chapter they were with, and they said, "Revelations 20" or whatever it
was.
SA> Naah. Maria isn't bright enough to understand Pratchett.
Please. It was GAIMAN'S book. Pratchett didn't contribute much but his
name. (Ducking and running.)
ANYWAY, the co-writer of GOOD OMENS, Neil Gaiman, is the guy who wrote
those excellent SANDMAN comics that I recommended to you.
... The secret to Life and Immortality is %á^^^ôº^@#+++## NO CARRIER
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: GOD'S WORD...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 10:57:00
EID:d629 20445720
DW> Would you be willing to bet on whether or not Jimbo leaps to Tricky
DW> Dick's defense?
JS> BTW, big boy, back in '73 I wore a black arm band on the day after my
JS> main man resigned. Greatest statesman and president that ever lived:
JS> Richard Milhouse Nixon!
(open mouth, close mouth, open mouth.) Um. I think in the seventies we
were on opposite sides of the political fence, Jim. Of course, you are
entitled to your opinion.
... The race is over. The rats won.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: GRAMM
|Date: 04 Feb 96 11:00:00
EID:020c 20445800
SA> Nope. I'm serious. I used to support Dole, but he's become a
SA> bit too moderate since deciding to run for the presidency again.
SA> He's compromising his ideals in exchange for votes
SA> (like most politicians). Gramm spells out his precise intentions.
MH> I heard Gramm speak a few weeks ago when the Southern Republican
MH> Leadership Conference was held here. I was impressed.
MH> He told a great story, although he probably tells it in every speech
MH> he makes, so you've probably already heard it. In one of his
MH> congressional campaigns, his opponent opened a debate with a scathing
MH> speech about all of the welfare programs Gramm had cut or advocated
MH> cutting. He sat down, satisfied the he had just demolished his
MH> opponent.
MH> Gramm took the podium and began: "Everything he just said ... is
MH> absolutely true. In fact, if welfare is your highest aspiration, he's
MH> your man."
It's nice to know that you and Styx can agree on something. (Thus proving
the adage that politics makes strange bedfellows )
... Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.--Thoreau.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MARTIN GOLDBERG
|Sub: HEAVENLY DAZED
|Date: 04 Feb 96 11:26:00
EID:2ee6 20445b40
AS> Excellent. Where shall we begin? Ahhhh, let's try this. The
AS> neutron outweighs the proton by a mere tenth of a percent.
AS> They are both made up of quarks. There seems no obvious
AS> reason why it should be the neutron that outweighs it by
MG> YAWN......
MG> We've been through this so many times before. The fact that the
MG> universe formed and supports life in no way indicates design. You
MG> must show the designer.
We have been through this before but never resolved it.
No, I don't.
We knew about a ninth planet by observing the gravitational effects on the
others. (As it turns out, small Pluto is not big enough to produce the
effects. There is probably a larger tenth planet out there.) We can deduce
atoms from Brownian motion. Neither were initially seen, but were observed
by the effects.
Again a Designer is one of five possible explanations for constant after
constant falling only in the range that permits intelligent life to exist.
I do not deny the others...although I can point out where some (like
an esemble of existences) might be less satisfying under Occam's razor
than a Designer. (Note: I will be perfectly willing to entertain a sixth
explanation if one is offered; but I cannot proceed on mere supposition
that such MAY someday develop.) The LOGICAL alternatives are (1) chance,
(2) high probability (chaotic cosmological) (3) mathematical or logical
necessity (these laws are the only self-consistent set of laws possible),
(4) an ensemble of universes or existences or (5) a Designer.
That says nothing about the CHARACTER of the Designer. It would be
Stargoat for all I could show from the anthropic principle evidence. All
that is shown is a possible Designer (one of five possibilities) who
cares about developing intelligent life.
And considering that a sizable fraction of humanity over the years have
claimed to be in touch with just such a Being; that no society has lasted
long without developing some sort of religious or transcendent belief. I
think it at least possible that there might be a connection between ONE
and the OTHER.
It is NOT a matter of life adapting to the conditions of the universe.
If the laws had been different, there would be no intelligent life, and
in most of the changes, no life at all.
... Reality is not a constant. Shut up and finish your dinosaur.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: RE: NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:05:00
EID:2b64 204460a0
DC> Still haven't got a message her addressed from you, though I
DC> did see the feedback.
DC> (The Helpful Atheist!)
DC> AKA, God Dan...
Then you missed my 80-post DEFINITIVE PROOF OF GOD????? The one that also
revealed that without a doubt that Jesus existed, died, and was
resurrected? But...but...my hard drive crashed and I don't think I can
type it all again....
(Somebody who CAN reach Dan please forward this to him. He'll get a
chuckle out of this, I think.)
... CIA Motto: In God we trust, all others we polygraph.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: POSITION
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:08:00
EID:b4dc 20446100
MH> This just reminded me of a joke ...
MH> Seems several promient members of a Jewish congregation became
MH> involved with a local Quaker assembly. For some time, they
MH> participated in both groups.
MH> One day, someone asked the rabbi if he was aware this was going on.
MH> "Of course," he said. "I have nothing against it. Some of my best Jews
MH> are Friends." :)
LOL!!!!
... Don't mind me; I'm the designated drunk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub: WEATHER PATTERNS
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:13:00
EID:0404 204491a0
SA> For that matter, why do members of the animal kingdom need to eat
SA> at all? Surely an omnipotent god could have made us all
SA> autotrophic, so that the question of starvation need never come up
SA> in the first place. Why should we depend on having plants and/or
SA> other animals available for fuel for our bodies? Surely, too, a
SA> god could figure out how to maintain a planet of life without need
SA> for predation or disease, and the unpleasantness that goes along
SA> with that.
From SCIENCE FICTION TODAY AND TOMMORROW, edited by Reginald Bretnor. An
article called "On the Creation of Imaginary Beings" by Hal Clement,
author of MISSION OF GRAVITY among others.
"A rather similar factor operates against having a manlike creature get
all his energy, plant style. This was convered years ago by V.A. Eulach
("Those Impossible Autropic Men", ASTOUNDING SCIENCE FICTION, October
1956), who pointed out that a man who tries to live like a tree will end
up looking much like one. He will have to increase his
sunlight-intercepting area without greatly increasing his mass (in other
words, grow leaves), cut down his energy supply to what leaves can supply
from sunlight's one-and-a-half-horse-power-per-square-yard (become
sessile), and provide himself with mineral nutrients directly from the
soil, since he can't catch food any more (grow roots!).
"Of course, we can get around some of this by hypethisizing a hotter,
closer sun, with all the attendant complications of higher planet
temperature." I might add something here. A HOTTER sun, as in a B or A
spectral type sun, does not last long enough in the Main Sequence
(millions of years instead of billions) to allow evolution to take place
long enough for intelligence to form. (Of course one COULD argue that
higher temperature and higher radiation would allow for faster or more
violatile chemical reactions,and more energy for life to play with
speeding up evolution, but I think that there must be a reasonable limit.)
I would limit it to F-type suns at the hottest, or closer planets to a G
type star. And I have trouble seeing an F type star giving THAT much
greater energy to allow them to move more than a snail's pace. And being
closer and literally hotter plays all sorts of fun games with possible
biochemistries, although I can't totally rule them out...
That particular book, BTW, is one of my particular treasures. It has
Clement's article on the Creation of Imaginary Beings, a treasure trove
of
creative biology and Poul Anderson's article on the Building of
Imaginary Worlds, full of charts and graphs on building marginally
human-habitable world, and giving you a feel for changing a few parameters
to build a really ALIEN world, full of little details. If you ever see it,
GRAB it.
... I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub: ABORTION ENSLAVES WOM
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:15:00
EID:2e35 204491e0
SA> Yeah; my grandmother sometimes had trouble communicating exactly
SA> what she wanted after the stroke that took away her ability to
SA> speak - it once took me, at age 10, an hour to figure out it was
SA> bologna she wanted me to get from the store. But then, sometimes
SA> the dog would also want something, and get a look of
SA> disappointment/disgust when presented with something apparently
SA> different from what he had in mind. But being constrained by
SA> language is OUR problem, really, not theirs. language might be a
SA> very useful tool, but it can also be quite limiting - every
SA> good thing has its drawbacks, after all, just as every dark cloud
SA> is said to have its silver lining.
Well...maybe. But the difference is quite startling. And it is a lack. It
is at the heart of Mortimer Adler's THE DIFFERENCE OF MAN AND THE
DIFFERENCE IT MAKES. It certainly would make my life a little easier if
Jamie could come up and say, "Hey, Dad, get down the goldfish crackers"
instead of pointing to where we store the chips and snacks and me having
to drag down one after another until he finally taps on the one he
wants...
... With friends like these, who needs hallucinations?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: AL SCHROEDER
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:17:00
EID:9981 20449220
MH> Just curious ...
MH> Why is Jim being dumped on so heavily for using pseudonyms? Mark
MH> "Hector Plasmic" Kime hides beind one, and so does "Capt. Fuck." And
MH> for all we know, some of the names used that sound authentic may be
MH> false. (e.g. "Dr. James Robertson.")
MH> Why does only Jim get criticized for it?
I think it's because the others are consistent in it. Hector is always
Hector (I had no idea it was a pseudonym till now). Capt. F WAS criticized
for such, once they realized who James Robertson was. I, being hopelessly
naive, thought Lou and Jim were two seperate people. So did many. (I think
Lou was listed seperately on Sue Armstrong's list, for instance.) It seems
merely a way to get past being twitted, little else.
However, I am sorry to see him go; his strategy always puzzled me, but I
never doubted his Christianity or a basically good heart. (No, not even
with Shelby. Some people have a genuis for saying the wrong thing.) I
didn't want to see a war start between the conservative Christians and the
liberal ones, but I didn't want the conservative ones to leave.
No truth in the rumor that it leaves the REST of us as targets...
No, I take that back. I'm feeling sad tonight, perplexed, wondering if
it was my post or email that drove him to leave, or just the general
abuse. I did think the insulting of Jim's WIFE was out of bounds---not
forbidden, but in extremely bad taste.
... I'm schizophrenic, and so am I.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: SUE ARMSTRONG
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:23:00
EID:f0c3 204492e0
AG> The First AND Second World Wars were engineered by the international
AG> bankers. Here is a little historic background for your study:
AG> From:- `Pawns In The Game' by William Guy Carr (Chapter 16)
DC> I read your little historical fantasy. Quite frankly, I was not
DC> suprised to see "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" mentioned
DC> prominently, but the idea of Hitler keeping the EXCESSES of the "Nazi
DC> War Lords"--curiously unnamed, don't you think? Who WERE these
DC> bloodthirsty fiends that heroic Hitler kept from doing their
DC> worst---is laughable at best. Your "history" is a painful continuance
DC> of the sort of anti-"international banker" mentality which IS a mask
DC> for the most rabid anti-Semitism. Your version of history, although
DC> full of half-truths, quite clever in its way, is totally CONTRADICTED
DC> by Tolland's two-volume HITLER or Schirer's RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD
DC> REICH. You are a sick, dangerous man, Anthony. It is the mindset
DC> that Hitler literally espoused, the lunatic worldview that led him to
DC> kill six million Jews. And yes he did, Anthony...many servicemen here
DC> in the states SAW the death camps, and one of the posters here has a
DC> father with a deathcamp tatoo. It sounds so plausible, and is so sick.
SA> I'd like to add that I had an uncle who was interned a mere mile
SA> from one of the Auschwitz camps - the main one, I think. He and
SA> his fellow Canadian POWs _knew_ what was going on in that
SA> Hell-on-Earth, and they could see half-starved Jews (and
SA> presumably others) trudging to and from their slave-labour duties
SA> every goddamned day before the liberation. Grigor-Scott is lucky
SA> my uncle is no longer alive, else he'd fly to Sydney and beat the
SA> little fuck to within an inch of his life (if he even spared him
SA> THAT.) And I'd give him directions on how to get to West Ryde
SA> from the airport, too.
That's the thing. If anyone had said the Holocaust didn't happen in 1950,
they would have been pitied or laughed at. Now the people who were there
are dying; and it is so horrendous, so beyond human belief, that it is
hard for humans to credit other humans with doing it.
SA> There's nothing more disgusting on the face of the Earth than a
SA> fucking Nazi.
I agree.
BTW, even though I'm sure Dan would agree witht he above statements that
your reader ascribed to DC> ---i.e., Dan Ceppa---but those are MU words,
not Dan's.
... Welcome to Life. Participate at your own risk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: KAREN DAVIS
|Sub: THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE A
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:32:00
EID:5ebb 20449400
KD> As a feminist, it is impossible for me to accept a male god and a male
KD> savior.
Too bad. If you ever come across the Christian writings of Dorothy L.
Sayers (the author of the Lord Peter Wimsey stories, and in the 30s, a
shining example of a woman's intellectual emancipation) you might see how
early feminism and Christianity can be elegantly and persuasively
combined. And if you expect a good Christian housewife who feels
subservient to the male, you will be pleasantly suprised. She has the wit
and insight equal to her fellow Inklings members, like C.S. Lewis, J.R.R.
Tolkien, and Charles Williams. (She wrote a great play about the building
of a Cathedral, and did a wonderful translation of Dante's DIVINE COMEDY.)
1 Cor 11:11, "Nevertheless, neither is the man without the woman, neither
the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man,
so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God."
Gal 3:28. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,
there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
And remember, after Jesus rose again, He did not first appear to Peter,
whom He entrusted His church; or to John, the disciple He loved best. He
first appeared...first showed the Miracle, the Joy from beyond the walls
of the world...to Mary Magdelene. Whom she called
"rabbi"...teacher...indicating that Jesus did not share the common Jewish
belief in not teaching women higher spiritual matters (which makes the
idea of Jesus being an Essene laughable.) but instead would instruct any
and all.
And early Christianity was considered a "woman's religion" by the
pagans, much as some regard Wicca now. And the fact that Christians did
not expose female children, as pagans often did, to die eventually
resulted into a more even male-female ratio, rather than the preponderance
of males, as mentioned by nontheist hsitorian Robin Lane Fox.
Suppose I was convinced of the truth of the Wiccan beliefs, but refused
to join it because it celebrates a Goddess and Cerrunnos serves a somewhat
subsidiary position, and that the vast majority of practitioners are
priestesses? What opinion would you have of ME?
We have brought it on ourselves. We have driven away minorities like
gays and a majority, like women, by our misapplication of God's word. So
it is not suprising that many would create their own religion.
Nevertheless, if God chose to manifest as a male in a society that was
very male-oriented, one does not need to doubt God's love for the female
population. Everything we say about God, being infinite, must be a
metaphor. Even when we say God is neither truly male or female, but a
spirit (as expressed in the Bible) we really don't know what we say...we
see "through a glass darkly" as Paul said.
... Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ALL
|Sub: RE: THE LIGHT
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:39:00
EID:5e21 204494e0
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Brad Jackson <=-
HP> I must confess this burden of guilt that's tearing me to pieces
HP> I was eating worms and spreading germs and various diseases
HP> I loped along the bayou like an old hound dog
HP> When the smell of frogs was in the wind
HP> They were soft and cold and dripping
HP> And I loved to feel them slipping
HP> Right out of their flacid froggy skins
HP> Yes, I was a teenage toadsucker before I discovered Jesus.
HP> Oh, Jesus!
HP> -- AB
BJ> Hello again Hector!
BJ> I had not realized that you had discovered Jesus and invited him
BJ> into your life. This job you had before sounds interesting, I have
BJ> never seen it posted at the unemployment office before. You must
BJ> have friends that got you into this job! Now that you have
BJ> discovered Jesus can I figure that you have a whole new group of
BJ> friends?
BJ> By the the way could you tell me how you came to know Jesus?
BJ> Brad Jackson
BJ> God Keep you Hector!
Troll alert.
... "Brillant, Watson. You are scintillating this morning."Sherlock Holmes
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: JIM STAAL
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:47:00
EID:0775 204495e0
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW> Your wife is a dumbass, Jimbo.
Y'know, David, there ARE cheap shots, even in echomail. That's one of
them. I'm not asking you to, or telling you you have to, or any of that
juvenile nonsense. But Jim found someone who was willing to share his life
with him, to have children and grandchildren with. You almost had that,
as
I remember. Wasn't it you who lost your fiance to a drunk driver? Now
think if she had not had died, how you would feel if she was insulted by
HIM.
Think hard.
And then realize how lucky Jim is in that respect.
Again, I am not asking this, I am just telling you. I would really
respect you more if you apologized. And yes, I am talking about
apologizing to Jim.
... Type unto others as you would have them type unto you.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: TOODLES...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:52:00
EID:38ae 20449680
JS> To those I might have offended, I reget that. To those who perceived
JS> offense, it wasn't my intent. I pray that in that day of days, God
JS> will have mercy on our souls: the atheist/pagans for not heeding the
JS> message that was clearly stated with boldness and unshrinking honesty,
JS> and on me for the mistakes I have made here while striving to maintain
JS> the truth.
Well said. And one of the reasons I regret we never knew the REAL Jim
Staal, just the personas you chose to let us know. Because as everyone
here will notice, THIS message was much clearer and lucid than many we
have received.
It is our loss that you hid the real Jim for so long.
... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: JIM STAAL
|Date: 04 Feb 96 18:54:00
EID:62c7 204496c0
JS> Hi, Al. Thanks for the post. Did you get my I-net message concerning
JS> this? Thanks to MISTER Worrell for forwarding. As I cannot change what
JS> I say, as you suggested, (how can I change the biblical word of truth
JS> and the inderstanding of it the Holy Spirit has given in my heart) I
am
JS> leaving the echo after three years. I stayed too long. Thanks.
Great. Guilt trip city.
Jim, when I said you can change what you say, I meant not trying to
deliberately taunt Judith by calling her "Judy", not pretending to be
multiple people (which I will GUARANTEE the Holy Spirit did not put in
your heart), stop accusing other Christians of not being one because they
disagree with you. I did NOT--and never have--asked you to sacrifice your
principles. And yes, Worrell is being a sophomoric JERK for insulting your
wife, and I was about to blast him for it. But if you leave, it is your
own choice, not mine. Quite frankly, I find it hard to equate your
obvious sincere belief in Christ with your equally obvious love of
duplicity. You have used so many pseudonyms that half of us are wondering
whether Lump is seperate or not and IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU OR HE SAYS,
since being shown to be a known--fabricator? In that matter in other
areas, anything Lump says will be seen as possibly you. Yes, you got some
extremely rough treatment here. I think your mistakes have been those of
misjudgement and quite frankly oafishness rather than deliberate malice,
even when you talked of Shelby's father-in-law --but this is a medium of
communication, and those who communicate awkwardly will be more harshly
treated than those who don't. I never doubted your heart was in the right
place, even in that exchange (I think you sincerely meant that the God
Shelby's father-in-law believed in welcome him into Heaven) but your
methods of doing so did and do puzzle me. The thing with Gwenny and her
ex-husband I didn't like, but you have offered what you consider an apology,
and I accept that.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I think Worrell's insulting of your wife was both
cowardly and uncalled for. And yes, I would probably leave under such
circumstances too. (Although I remember Rudzinski's insults concerning me
having two austistic kids and mastered it). Perhaps David should consider
that it is YOU who have a wife and children and grandchildren, not
himself. And perhaps you should reflect that is you who have someone who
will give a final flip about whether you live or die, not him.
ALL I was telling you to do is tell the truth. And the Bible verses I
quoted were all directed towards that end.
If you would rather leave than tell the truth, that is your decision;
not mine.
Nevertheless, I wish you well. May you find joy in the music you love,
in the lovely Wilbur, in your kids and grandkids. May you grow in the
grace and love of God, and I hope to do the same.
... Anyone can hate. it costs to love.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: legend
|Date: 03 Feb 96 22:43:00
EID:d903 2043b560
MSGID: 1:3625/470.0 89194382
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0963
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> Because the evidence is good that the written accounts of Jesus' life
MH> werein circulation not very long after the events they chronicled, and
MH> the disciples were a definite part of early church history. There
MH> really is no good reason to disbelieve them, unless you just take the
MH> illogical and indefensible position that everything in the Bible is
MH> considered false until proven true.
MH> A major clue is that the disciples are everywhere portrayed as
MH> fallible, ordinary human beings. Peter denies even knowing Jesus
MH> at one point, and doubts him a dozen times along the way. John and
MH> James bicker over who's superior. Thomas is skeptical. Myths tend to
MH> idealize the "good guys," but there's no sign of that here.
KW> Homer's heroes were fallible, too, Mike. So were the heroes of the
KW> Arthurian legends, so were the heroes of Charlemagne, and so forth.
KW> other concerning this carpenter's son and his clash with roman
KW> authority. We have this version that survived. There are a few
KW> variants of the basic story floating around, four of which are
KW> 'officially recorded' in the Bible. It basically comes down to the
KW> one simple fact that you believe in this particular 'myth' and I don't.
No, there's much more to it than that.
Scholars date the earliest letters of Paul almost unanimously dated
to the late 40s and early 50s. They are explicitly Christian in the
supernatural sense of the word. Since they were written to established
communities of believers, the belief obviously predated the letters by
a significant period of time.
At most, that gives 10-12 years for myth-makers to create an entire set
of supernatural happenings centered around a recently dead local
person, AND invent an entire cast of supporting characters, many of
whom were portrayed as still alive and present, and somehow make people
believe the myth.
Furthermore, scholars have dated the composition of the three synoptic
gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) within a range of a.d. 40 to a.d. 80
or so, with liberal scholars opting for later dates and conservative
scholars opting for earlier ones, in most cases. John's gospel is
variously dated anywhere from a.d. 60 to a.d. 100.
Even at the latest dates, though, a maximum of fifty years passes
between Jesus's death and the completion of all three synoptic gospels.
Because the gospels were first used by existing faith communities, the
material in them must be older than the final written versions.
The Book of Acts, meanwhile, purports to chronicle the development of
the early church, and because Luke (its author) often refers to "we,"
indicating he personally was involved in some of the events, Acts must
have been written within the lifetime of Peter. (Unless it's a complete
fiction, but few of even the most liberal scholars would take that
view.)
Since Luke wrote his gospel prior to Acts, we can conclude that Peter
and other close associates of Jesus were alive when Luke wrote his
gospel. And since Luke is generally thought to be the latest of the
three synoptics, obviously the close witnesses were also alive when
Matthew's and Mark's gospels were first circulating. These two gospels
first circulated among the very people who would be most likely to have
known Jesus -- the Jews in and around Jerusalem.
That means that there simply is no opportunity for significant legend
to creep into the story. In most legends, centuries pass between the
historical base and the development of the legend. While it's possible
that a saying attributed to Jesus might have been invented, or a story
of a healing might have been added, it can't be said that the
invention of a story of a resurrection or the invention of an entire
cast of characters is plausible. While the events seem distant in time
and place to us, to the first people who heard about it, it had
happened recently and nearby.
(In fact, the scholars who assign the later dates to the gospel
accounts usually do so at least partly because they assume there *is*
significant legend in them, and argue for a date that allows as much
time as possible for legend to develop. They base their conclusions on
their assumptions, not on any external evidence. And the largely
ignore the Pauline evidence.)
None of this proves the gospels are true, of course. It does, though,
give the honest critic a significant challenge. (And too few critics
are all that honest, sad to say.)
... A thousand compromises do not equal a victory.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: maria russell
|Date: 03 Feb 96 20:57:00
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-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> I don't read much of her material, so I'm really perplexed as to why
MH> she inspires such loathing in both you and Lynda. I can understand
MH> disagreeing with her, even thinking her ideas are dangerous, but you
MH> two seem to absolutely despise her -- and personally, not just her
MH> ideas.
KW> Her stated ideas concerning a woman's place do not go down easily with
KW> any woman who's had her trust and love betrayed by an abuser. She
KW> advocated that position in which a woman is totally subject to her
KW> husband, and that if this woman was a good submissive christian wife,
KW> the abuse would stop. To any woman who has survived an abuse
KW> situation, this is pure brine and vineger in open wounds. It
KW> is impossible to placate an abuser out of abuse. We who have been
KW> there know that from plain practical experience.
Since I asked my question, I have recieved several good answers. I
suppose I should have simply read her material for myself.
I would like you to know that her position -- at least, as you portray
it, is NOT what the Bible advocates. The one passage which those who
would dominate women use as justification actually says that men and
women in a marriage are BOTH supposed to be subject to one another.
(I'll quote it at the end of the post, for your reference.)
What happens is that abusive men start reading after the summary
sentence, and then stop reading halfway through the passage. Paul
writes first that both should submit to each other. Then he
elaborates, saying that a married woman -- and the passage applies only
to marriage, not any other relationship -- should submit to her
husband, but also that the husband should love his wife
self-sacrifically and with holiness. A man who truly loves his wife
with self-sacrifice and holiness is not going to exploit her
submissiveness by abusing her.
The picture Paul paints is mutual submission. In an ideal marriage,
each partner is focused on the other first, not the self. This fosters
a dual benefit -- each partner has their needs met, out of the other's
love, not out of selfishness. The man and woman are both learning
and growing in the art of giving to others -- to one another.
It becomes justification for domination and exploitation only when
perverted out of its context. If Maria really believes that Paul meant
for women to bow to every whim of men, and for men to have no
reciprocal obligation, she's been lied to and believed the lie. (And we
all know who the Father of Lies is, don't we? Satan can twist even
Scripture to serve his purposes.)
The passage is Ephesians 5:21-28
==BEGIN==
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is
the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of
which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so
also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave
himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing
with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a
radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy
and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives
as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
==END==
He who loves his wife does not make his wife a slave.
... A fool and his money are soon partying.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: bats/birds
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:14:00
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-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Brother Jimmy <=-
JS> (Lev 11:13 NIV) "'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat
JS> (Deu 14:18 NIV) the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
JS> Ok, so what's the problem? Where does it say in the BIble that bats
JS> aren't birds? Perhaps they are winged rodents?
SA> Any scientific source material on bats will tell you that bats
SA> are not birds, they are mammals.
JS> So? What has that to do with the BIble being contradictory...just
JS> because it doesn't agree with man's ideas means nothing to me.
Actually, one need not be as dogmatic as BroJim to bat this bird out of
the ballpark.
The simple fact is, according to Strong's Hebrew/Greek Concordance, the
word translated "birds" in this passage does not explicitly mean "bird"
at all. It means things that fly.
... This score just in: Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:19:00
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Sue Alexander <=-
JS> Either God has taught
JS> eternal punishment in the Bible or He has not. It is not grey. Either
JS> Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit or He was not. There is no grey
JS> area on this. Either Christ rose from the grave and lives and reigns
JS> forever or He did not! There _is_ no grey area on this! No 'personal'
JS> judgement or opinion.
SA> Are you saying that there is no room for interpretation AT ALL in
SA> the bible? If there is ANY room for interpretation, Michael is IMO
SA> correct that the only individual that can make that kind of judgement
SA> is God.
Actually, what I said is that only God knows whether a given person
will enter heaven or not. Jim is right that the three specific things
he lists are either true or they're not. If Jesus rose bodily from the
grave and lives forever in heaven, then anyone who believes he rose
only metaphorically is wrong. Simple.
Now, what I would not say is that holding such a belief automatically
disqualifies one from heaven. That is not my call to make. But I would
certainly encourage such a person to be certain they are pursuing the
truth and not inventing a comfortable fiction.
JS> There is room for interpretation for certain areas of the Bible...and
JS> the Bible itself is to be used for that. The areas of question that
I
JS> have pointed out above, however, need no interpretation. There is no
JS> gray areas in the above. It is literal and _very_ important to
JS> Christianity.
Agreed.
... Hester Prynne got an A for adultery. I barely made a C-minus.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:23:00
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
KDM> This may come as a shock to you, Jim, but there isn't a wide network
KDM> of heathens out here. She may consider you her enemy, but that doesn't
KDM> mean every pagan/atheist does. What happened to turning the other
KDM> cheek and loving your neighbor, BTW?
Kevin, you misspelled "neighbor's BMW."
:)
... I hate funerals. Wouldn't be caught dead at one.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: behind a monitor?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:37:00
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-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely suggest that a person
JS> conduct themselves here as they would in person. Things would be a
JS> whole lot more constructive that way. I also pointed out that at least
JS> in my personal experience, people who discuss things face to face do
JS> not behave in the manner they do in an anonymous medium such as this.
JS> True, some do behave this way (usually when drunk) in person, but not
JS> the ratio as in this faceless medium. This leads me to believ one of
JS> two things:
JS>
JS> a. this place is populated by a large number of violent-pron or
JS> drunk individuals :), or
JS> b. it is something that is unwittingly promoted by fact it is a
JS> faceless medium .
MH> It is obviously the latter, and I'll explain to you why. We
MH> undoubtedly have timid and/or shy people here, contributing. In a
MH> real-time medium, where people are physically present, they might feel
MH> uncomfortable in sharing their opinion. This is a common principle,
MH> and it shouldn't come to you as a surprise. So, one would reason that
MH> it should also not come as a surprise that through this medium, there
MH> is no fear of that sort. It is, just as you said, a faceless medium.
MH> One says what they believe [and can do so, remaining true to their
MH> convictions and feelings], and not have to worry about it. It's a
MH> freedom; one of thought. It has nothing to do with cowardice or
MH> pusillanimity; generally speaking, it's simply more people feel
MH> comfortable in this medium, insofar as sharing their opinions go.
This is certainly true, but unfortunately it also makes it easy to
savagely villify someone who angers you, and forget that your words are
aimed at a real person with real feelings.
I don't see how speaking your honest opinion about an issue is a
license to cruelly upbraid someone you don't even know.
... The invitation said black tie only. Why are all of you in suits?
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: confusion
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:40:00
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Hector Plasmic <=-
JS> Then why bother to butt it, Hector?
HP> I assume you mean "butt in," so the response is "Free echo last time
I
HP> checked." Otherwise, you have me confused with Stargoat.
An easy enough mistake to make, considering.
... "A person is a person, no matter how small." -- Dr. Seuss
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: scientists
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:42:00
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-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Jose Gomez <=-
SS> I don't know what library you go to, but I don't think that any
SS> legitimate scientists explains our existence via a creator.
Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D. in astronomy from University of Toronto.
Christain.
Dr. Gerald Schroeder, Ph.D. in physics from MIT. Jewish.
Dr. John Polkinghorne, president of Queen's College, Cambridge and
former professor of mathematical physics. Christian.
Dr. Lane Lester, Ph.D. in genetics from Perdue. Christian.
Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Ph.D. in genetics from U. of Texas. Christian.
J.P. Moreland, whose doctoral degrees are in theology and philosophy,
holds an undergraduate degree in chemistry from USC. Christian.
These are the ones that I have books by and can look up their
credentials. I'm aware of many others, but I don't have immediate
access to their bios.
Note that all of these have their credentials from secular
universities. I would say they are all legitimate scientists who
believe a Creator is necessary, or at least a viable hypothesis, to
explain our existence.
Unless you want to assert that their conclusion to that effect
automatically disqualifies them. Which is simply a case of picking the
arrows you like and drawing a target around them, defining the other
arrows as misses simply because you don't like what they hit.
... The world is a beautiful book, for those who can read it.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: death
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:59:00
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-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Al Schroeder <=-
AS> BTW, some Christians may die in MORE fear than most
AS> agnostics/atheists. Remember, an atheist thinks it will just end.
AS> Period. Like a light switch. But a Christian thinks he is about to
AS> meet the judge of all, the Creator, and then be judged in a way that
AS> will determine how he will spend the rest of eternity.
SS> Read what you just wrote. Doesn't this tell you something about the
SS> christian religion. Doesn't it give you pause to think that something
SS> is not quite right here? After death, there is oblivion. There is
SS> evidence of NOTHING ELSE.
How do you know? There is no way to know, via experimentation or
observation, what happens after death. You're drawing a definitive
conclusion -- "after death, there is oblivion" -- with no objective
data at all.
Until telescopes were invented, there was no evidence of Jupiter's
moons. If someone had said "around Jupiter, there are no moons. There
is evidence of none," they would be quite wrong. Even though they'd
have as much basis for the assertion as you do for yours.
... Beware of geeks bearing .GIFs.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: lynda
|Date: 03 Feb 96 22:06:00
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-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Fredric Rice <=-
FR>LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do
FR>LB> nothing, let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than
FR>LB> words, and give me the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
FR>
FR> Poor Linda. It's a shame to see someone as nice as her
FR>suffer under the delusions of superstition.
KDM> Fred, I'm pretty sure that *wasn't* Lynda.
Yes, it was.
... Parking reserved for witches only. Violators will be toad.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 22:19:00
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-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Brother Jimmy <=-
DW>> Bullshit, Stevie. I *refuse* to go to Hell. Does this mean
DW>> that I'm going to Heaven? Or is God going to put me in Hell
DW>> regardless of what I want?
JS>Yup.
KDM> Real loving god, Jim.
So what you're saying is, the eternal creator of the universe should
have no standards for his children? He should let murderers and rapists
waltz on into heaven if they want to?
Real just and righteous God you want there, Kevin.
... The invitation said black tie only. Why are all of you in suits?
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: book
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:52:00
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Lynda,
Another book that I can recommend as a solid rebuttal to Spong and the
Jesus Seminar is "The Real Jesus," by Luke Johnson. This one, newly
published, comes from Harper Collins. Johnson is a Catholic Bible
scholar, and professor of New Testament at the Candler School of
Theology at Emory University.
You did promise me you would read at least one such book. :)
... ...... Click ... click ... click ... damn, out of taglines!
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: David Dahl
|Sub: jerks
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:59:00
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-=> Quoting David Dahl to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> trying to make all of us guilty by implication.
DD> I don't think the motivation is to make all Christians guilty
DD> by association. Many Christians seem to think that once they accept
DD> their saviour, they are somehow magically changed and cannot do wrong.
DD> They then try to use this to deny others being Christian because these
DD> others have done terrible things. The motivation of those who point
DD> out the bad Christians, I think, is more to show being a Christian
DD> really doesn't change a person. If a person is a jerk before he
DD> accepts Jesus, he'll be a jerk afterwards, too.
1. I don't think most Christians believe that being saved means you can
do no wrong. For most Christians I know, the opposite is true: We
become much more aware of our capacity to do wrong, and it causes us to
continually examine our lives for wrongdoing we need to root out.
I also doubt that most Christians -- and note, I'm not saying "all,"
beause I know there are exceptions -- deny that other Christians do
wrong. In fact, when a person like Paul Hill crops up, their actions
are usually widely denoucned by Christians. I think there were maybe
200 people nationwide who signed a petition supporting Hill and
supporting the murder of abortion doctors. But almost all other
Christians -- millions of 'em -- deplored what he did, and all who were
asked said so.
2. I also dispute that being a Christian "really doesn't change a
person." As I said above, most Christians take seriously their own
capacity for sin and struggle to sin less and less. Change is rarely
instant, and everyone can have bad days. But there is a great deal of
emphasis in Christian books and music on self-assessment and
improvement, and most Christians that I know take it seriously.
What often happens is that skeptics hold us to an artificial standard.
For example, they may insist that love means the same thing as
indulgence, and then denounce as "unloving" Christians who insist that,
say, adultery is wrong.
... To live without passion is to begin to die.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: ministers and money
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:07:00
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Michael Hardy <=-
DR> But you can bet the preacher will have dinner with the person who
DR> turns in an envelope with $1,000 instead of someone who puts $10 in
DR> the envelope.
MH> The pastor of my church is presently counseling my sister-in-law and
MH> her two children. She was recently divorced and moved back here from
MH> Texas to live with her parents temporarily.
MH> My pastor is giving them practical guidance for adjusting to the
MH> change and starting their lives over.
DR> But will Jesus deliver her from her problems, or does your pastor
DR> recommend her helping herself?
When did Jesus ever promise instant deliverance from problems?
And what's that got to do with ministers and money, anyway?
MH> He is not charging them anything. They are not members of the church.
MH> They are not even of the same denomination. He is doing it because he
MH> is a kind and loving Christian and knew they needed help.
DR> Glad to hear your sister is being helped. But I think you missed the
DR> original point.
DR> Let me ask you this. You or your pastor may disapprove of
DR> money-grubbing preachers, so why not do something about it? Why can't
DR> the religious community police itself, such as other "professionals"
DR> do, i.e. doctors, policemen, etc?
And how would you propose we do that? In fact, most organized
denominations do exactly that. But how are we supposed to stop a Robert
Tilton from buying some air time and making his pitch? All we can do,
that I can see, is challenge that example by setting a better example.
Which is why I told you about my sis-in-law -- to show that your
blanket assertion was misguided.
MH> Trash your cynicism and open your eyes, and you may find that such
MH> things are not at all uncommon.
DR> Others do this sort of thing as well, exercise the type of generosity
DR> you pastor does. And they are not necessarily all christian.
I never said they were. YOU suggested that the more money a person has,
the better the minister likes them, and I gave you information to
suggest that it's unfair to imply that about most ministers.
... NO CARRIER... A naval aviator's worst nightmare ...
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: Blinded me with science..
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:11:00
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Michael Hardy <=-
DR> No shit. But don't try to pretend that Christianity isn't an offshoot
DR> of the ancient death cults. Educated people know better.
JS> Well, Dave, I have tried to avoid this...but...if you have evidence
to
JS> support this claim, I would like to see it. First name the 'death
JS> cults' and then show from scripture that Christianity is an offshoot.
MH> While you're at it, see if you can show a connection between
MH> Christianity and any such cult that isn't pure speculation and based
MH> on air. So far, no one has been able to.
MH> Be prepared to defend your assumptions, sources and logic.
DR> Well, I will admit I can't name specific sources, but all it takes is
DR> a little thought.
DR> Before Christianity, there were many cults who centered around some
DR> sort of sacrifice for pennance. A good number of them involved human
DR> sacrifice. Since this was the trend of the day, what else could it be
DR> based on? Tie that in with the fairy-tale precepts of the religion
DR> (such as the flood and creation) and it gets pretty hard to swallow,
DR> particularly if you analyze it with a critical eye.
DR> That's the best defense I have....
And it's none too good. In fact, there's no evidence that the themes
expressed in the story of Jesus came from any other religion.
The connections between them are tenuous at best. In the cases where a
similarity is stronger, it's also the case that Christianity predates
the other religion by centuries, meaning the influence probably went
the other way.
Also, there's not enough time. Paul was writing his first letters, with
a fully developed Christology, no more than 15 years after Jesus died.
He was writing to established communities of believers, so obviously
the Christology he held had existed for some time before the letters.
The communities were very close in both time and place to the person
involved. Significant legends, by contrast, take centuries to grow up
around historical figures.
And, the primary themes that the Christian stories depict -- a new
covenant from God for all the world, a suffering servant of God who
bears the iniquities of others and emerges victorious -- come from the
Old Testament. The New Testament fulfills what was foreshadowed in the
Old.
Any questions?
... VD: Never practice license without a medicine.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: outdated
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:17:00
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Michael Hardy <=-
DR> Okay, got me on this one. But it teaches an ancient form of
DR> spirituality that is outdated.
JS> In what way is it outdated? Do you think that 'do not kill' is not
JS> relevant in today's culture? How about 'do not steal'? How about
JS> giving to the poor? Helping a guy who can't get his car started? How
JS> about being happy that someone has something he/she worked hard to get
JS> with out feeling envy?
MH> Since when do ideas come with expiration dates? You tell time with
MH> clocks, not ideas.
DR> Very profound, but hardly true. Believing in something based on
DR> fairy-tale precepts and angel sightings may have been okay in the
DR> 14th Century, but not the 20th.
Why?
... An excellent rebuttal! Now, come up with one that addresses the point.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: legend
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:19:00
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-=> Quoting Norbert Sykes to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> Salem's Lot is a novel, Danny -- an acknowledged work of fiction. The
MH> author tells us from the outset to not take it as true.
NS> It does? Can you quote from it the passage at the beginning where
NS> the author tells everyone that it's just not true? I've read all of
NS> Stephen King's books, and I don't recall him putting out a disclaimer
NS> at the beginning of a novel. I'd very much like to see your quote on
NS> this.
In most editions, it'll be on the spine of the book. It's a simple
disclaimer. Just says "Fiction."
... I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Biblical Errors
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:21:00
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-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> However, I'm not convinced that there are any errors.
SS> What? Errors have been pointed out, time and time again. I think
SS> that it can be more correctly stated that you choose to IGNORE the
SS> errors and to RATIONALIZE.
MH> Most
MH> "errors" arise from skeptics doing one of several things:
MH> 1. Reading metaphor as purported fact. (e.g., the creation account)
MH> 2. Ignoring possible cultural differences (e.g., assuming that the
MH> Hebrews counted grasshopper legs by the same system we use, and
SS> WHAT! Are you claiming that the Hebrews counted by some sort of
SS> different system where 6 = 4?
No, I'm saying they may have counted four legs and two hoppers, or
something like that. Or, the phrase "goes about on all fours" may be an
idiom for something that creeps along the ground.
And since the number of legs is OBVIOUS to anyone who looks, either of
the above possibilities strikes me as inherently more plausible than
putting it down as an error.
... On Dr. McCoy's tombstone: "I'm dead, Jim."
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: song
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:23:00
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-=> Quoting Linda Whitten to Michael Hardy <=-
> After you're done, are you going to write about niggers and kikes
> too? Or do you limit your offensive bigoted epithets to Christians?
LW> Just to purely offensive Xians...especially the ones I find highly
LW> offensive. Of course, there are other topics I "filk" as Gwenny
LW> knows!
Writing about "Jeezoids" would seem to bake us all in the same pie, now
wouldn't it?
... Beware of geeks bearing .GIFs.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: position
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:24:00
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> I agree wholeheartedly with this, too. But I wonder whether children
MH> can truly cherish themselves and those around them in a society which
MH> defines a certain class of people -- the unborn -- as not inherently
MH> valuable.
KD> They're not people yet. It's that simple.
Why?
In another post, you seem to define personhood by location. (Outside
the womb.)
Why do you find that to be the deciding factor? Why not be more
concerned with WHAT the fetus is than WHERE the fetus is?
... Tagline deleted -- Nothing funny about this.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: MCDOWELL
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:16:00
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PID: FM 2.02
> -=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Al Schroeder <=-
> AS> from her internet connection. So, we will no longer be
> AS> supporting AOL.
> JH> What were her reasons?
> JH> Did it have anything to do with FOF and Dobson?
> Thank you for asking that. I wanted to but didn't, lest I get more
> accusations of 'supporting a boycott'.
Supporting a boycott can be a quite honorable thing to do, such as any time
it weakens the hold of Focus's ilk on our Nation......
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:23:01
EID:1e2b 204162e0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 100c3033
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PID: FM 2.02
>> believe in Him or not. And, He loves you whether you believe
>> it or not.
> ...even homosexuals?
>> against what is PERCIEVED (or NOT percieved).
> "I before E, except after C"
Unless you are attempting to spell "EINSTEIN" or "ATHEIST"!!
slack -- s.
~!~ Tye Gledbrog Vrius si VEREYHWERE!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:37:02
EID:3d59 204164a0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 100c3034
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9015fc89
PID: FM 2.02
> On Wednesday, January 17th, 1996 - Sean McCullough wrote:
> SM> Now: Got any EVIDENCE that your God exists outside your imagination,
> SM> and the imaginations of your fellow self-delusionists??
> So you're trying to tell me that all of the believers since "way back
> when", are wrong?
Yeppers.
I DENY their claim that their God exists beyond their imaginations.
And I will CONTINUE to deny said claim until some believer coughs up hir
God for my examination.
> We, as humans, thought the sun revolved around us...
>
> We used to think the world was flat... Why try to deny everything that
> points TOWARDS God and focus those things?
Because nothing HONESTLY "points toward God", as you phrase it. NEVER has
a believer been able to provide HONEST, DIRECT evidence that hir God exists.
As I have told you before, all that Scriptures from the past are evidence
of is that other overactive imaginations had the same delusions before you
contracted them.
Paul of Tarsus' BLATANT LIES in Hebrews 11:1 NOTwithstanding, faith is evidence
of NOTHING. And all the alleged INDIRECT evidence in the universe isn't
worth a Goat Fart without at least ONE piece of DIRECT evidence to corroborate
it.
And NO believer has ever been able to show me said piece of honest direct
evidence. EVER.
So, Christian: You have two choices here, and ONLY two.
Either cough up your God for my examination -- cause your God to appear
and communicate with me without my first dropping my disbelief -- NOW, or
publically admit that there is no such thing, NOW.
I'm waiting.
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 01 Feb 96 12:44:03
EID:cd97 20416580
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 100c3035
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 901788ce
PID: FM 2.02
> Gt> Every xtian I've ever seen does all they can to make a buck off of
> Gt> you.
> Well, you've never met me, my family, or my pastor... now have you? ;)
What does your pastor do for a living??
If you cannot answer this question independently of religion, Gwenny is
correct (as usual).
> Gt> NO, fool. I am talking especially about my eldest, who has a chemical
> Gt> imbalance that causes him to have difficulty dealing with ANY
> Gt> emotion. Had I hit him, betrayed him, he would now be permanently
> Gt> committed in the mental hospital. Violence, of ANY kind, is seldom
> Gt> the answer. If you can't control 'em by three, chances are you never
> Gt> will. I WILL NOT HIT MY KIDS....perverts.
> Yeah yeah... A good swat to the butt won't harm any kid.
A few more dead Jesus cultists won't harm ANY society.
Too damn bad it's considered murder, rather than what it is (verminicide).
> Gt> He was a Christian. He was a coward. He was a therapist. He
> Gt> couldn't deal with his own fear. He was a Christian. Seems to go
> Gt> together for me.
> Knowledge of being a Christian is only truly known between the
> individual & God. He may have said it, but maybe never was.
Ah yes, the "He's Not A True Christian!" cop-out (Argumentum ad Bozum Non
Christi).
They profess Jesus, you Jesus cultists are stuck with them -- and EVERYTHING
they do. And this applies ONLY to Jesus worship.
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: The Ultimate Shit List - Part 1.
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:30:04
EID:ab36 20425bc0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b704c
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21a93
PID: FM 2.02
> ZA> P.S.-- Thanks for not cussing when responding. You're one of the
> ZA> few.
> ÜÛ
> ÜÛßÛÜ ÛÛ
> ÛÛ Ûß ÛÛ
> ÜÛÛÜ ÜÛÛ ÜÛÛ ÜÛßßÛÜ ÛÛ Ü
> ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ßß ÛÛÜß
> ÛÛ ÛÛÜßÛÛÜ ÛÛ Ü ÛÛßÛÜ
> ÛÛ Ûß Ûß ÛÛÜÜÛß ÜßÛ ßÛÛÜ
> ÛÛ
> ÛÛ
> ÛÛ
> Û
> ...and such an innocent letter combination at that. It's rather simply,
> merely four letters and only one syllabal. For such a tiny thing, it
> really does get you all worked up.
Cut him some Slack, Ryan.
The ONLY visual art even supportABLE in the Saudi wastes IS writing; hence
Arabs get a little testy about it.
> Perhaps Allah has a course on stress management.
I doubt it, unless it's in the Leipzig Sectors in northcentral Asia.....
slack -- s.
~!~ First superpower with religious freedom: Mongolia, 1050-1500
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: ABORTION CONTRAST
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:32:05
EID:74a8 20425c00
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b704d
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PID: FM 2.02
> Boni Hitch wrote in a message to Gwenny The Pooh:
> BH> I have a tagline that states,
> BH> "Why worship a god who violated a virgin's civil rights>"--wanna
> BH> steal it?
> Oh, how PC.
True, nonetheless.
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Christian control?
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:35:06
EID:b4b8 20425c60
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b704e
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PID: FM 2.02
> Jesse Jones wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
> RS> JJ> Please explain what you mean. How does Christianity
> RS> JJ> "politically control the masses" or "rob them blind"?
> RS>The very nature of organized religion [which includes religions in
> RS>addition to christianity] means that there is control involved. It's
> RS>a way to control people, be it convincing them that god would want
> RS>them to tithe or anything else.
> JJ> Come on, Ryan, that does not begin to answer the question.
To
> JJ> say that Christianity is "politically control[ling] the masses"
> JJ> requires that "Christianity" be some monolith that is directing
> JJ> the central actions of the majority. Is that true?
> I said _masses_, not majority. They are different.
And no "monolith" is required for Christians to be seeking -- and getting
-- control over others, either.
What they are willing to AGREE ON will generally suffice for such abuse.
> And don't tell me organized religion is not political. I may puke.
Stercum minimum.
In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE to separate religion from politics when the religion
involved is an authority cult -- and Biblical religion IS an authority cult
(witness Maria Russell).
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:46:07
EID:3b60 20425dc0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b704f
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PID: FM 2.02
> Boni Hitch wrote in a message to Shelby Sherman:
> BH> THis'll break Jim's heart, Some Native tribes have rituals like
> BH> that and the people LIVE!
> Sure, everyone would after you milk the snakes and then dunk them in a
> cold river. The suckers won't even want to move.
I can attest to this. "HEAT, HEAT!!" :-) Snakes from tropical habitats
especially.....
> If you're dealing with the specie of rattlesnake in Oregon then you
> wouldn't have any problems either. I can't remember the name, but it's
> not as agressive as a Diamond Back and the bit amounts to about ten bee
> stings. It's almost never fatal either.
Moreover, the "snake-handling" Pentecostal cults are known for collecting
snakes (especially rattlers) from HOT climates and hold services in places
where it gets genuinely cold. As such snakes generally don't know WHAT to
do about that level of cold, they generally "refrigerate themselves".
Gwenny, however, is correct: some tribal Shamanistic cults have clergy who
had been bitten by __neurotoxic__ reptiles, and then get "stung" on purpose
so they can hallucinate for religious purposes.
I personally can testify that this happens.
In 1994, roughly this time of year, I sat on a neurotoxic spider.
For forty-five DAYS I was pissed off at the entire world, depressed as hell,
and having episodes of VIOLENT hallucinations.
During this time I set a good chunk of DragonFest on fire destroying a yellow-jacket
nest. The autocrats were NOT amused!! Actually, I only nuked about as much
as one tent would cover -- because I at least had the presence of mind to
REMOVE THE COLEMAN FUEL SUPPLY from where the immolation took place.
Estimate of the spider type was what we Coloradoans call a "sun scorpion"
(Latin taxonomy unavailable). However, it's only a guess, as all I could
tell about it was that it was a [SPLAT] spider when I first got a look at
it.
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: god=hoax
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:48:08
EID:4e50 20425e00
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7050
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21a9b
PID: FM 2.02
> JB> Show me concrete proof that there is a god. The bible doesn't
> JB> count, for all I know a few drunk guys got together and made it up!
> Hell, we'd all just settle for a bit of evidence. Nevermind the proof
> part.
AHEM.
Proof applies to SCOTCH, Ryan.
"Nevermind the proof part" my ass!! :-)
slack -- s.
~!~ 100 Proof Parts For WOTAN!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:51:09
EID:a4ac 20425e60
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7051
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PID: FM 2.02
> Styx Allum wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
>> And just how do you do that without going through the media? Rush
>> Limbaugh is biased as well, perhaps he just has a slant on things
>> that you identify with more easily.
> SA> Rush allows you to see and hear exactly what Newt says, as he rolls
> SA> video clips of him.
> You sure are hung up on video clips. ;D Personally, I haven't had a TV
> in over two years. Although on occasion I attempt to suck images out
of
> the cable hanging on the wall because of harsh withdrawl syndromes. :)
> Yes, Rush does show video clips. He also just shows you the video clips
> that he wants to.
I repeat: AS DOES EVERYONE ELSE.
Otherwise, ALL footage shot would have an audience -- which has NEVER been
true.
> It's a shame really. Politics is now limited to 30
> second sound bytes and rhetoric. That's quite a change from
> before...the Lincoln/Douglas debates lasted hours.
Agreed.
slack -- s.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: melatonin
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:53:10
EID:7a5f 20425ea0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7052
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 10c21aa1
PID: FM 2.02
> John Oliver wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
> RS> When I take melatonin it makes me sleep. Plain and simple. It is
also
> RS> not a depressant in the traditional sense. When I experimented with
> RS> hallucinogens I didn't sleep, in fact I dreamed while I was still
> awake.
> JO> I haven't had time to respond to the other's so I'll do it now.
> JO> Serotonin aka L-Tryptomine do help one sleep regardless.
> Hmmm, I always thought that the tryptomine stuff was a hormone that was
> responsible for the post Thanksgiving naps.
> Forget it, I'm getting muddled down in all of these -ine's and -on's.
:)
Not to mention -anes and -ones.... :-)
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jeezoids
|Date: 02 Feb 96 11:57:11
EID:af04 20425f20
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7053
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 310c338a
PID: FM 2.02
> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Ryan Shaw mumbled "Jeezoids"
> GR> Has anyone in your family ever served in the military or do you
> GR> come from a long line of loud mouth yellow bastards?
> RS> My grandfathers faught in World War II, both flew Corsair's off of
> RS> carriers in the Pacific theater. My father `dodged' the Vietnam
draft
> RS> by going to Brazil with the Peace Corp. He built schools and roads
> RS> there. I have no plans to pick up a rifle and go people hunting
in my
> RS> lifetime.
> RS> Does this make me a yellow bastard as well?
> Every male member of my family on both sides has served in the armed
> forces at one time or another.
I am the first male member of MY family NOT to.
And THEY rejected ME. :-)
> Since I choose not to fight in a war unless I
> believe in it, does this make me a yellow bastard?
No.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 02 Feb 96 12:00:12
EID:83c1 20426000
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7054
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c4308
PID: FM 2.02
> -=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Robert Jackson <=-
> MB> So, what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
> MB> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
> Because it's that gnome rudzinski's monitor, you...you...silly woman!
Neat!!
You just admitted that george rudzinski is more powerful than your God,
Jim!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Miller's Christianity
|Date: 02 Feb 96 12:02:13
EID:855b 20426040
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 108b7055
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 310c4308
PID: FM 2.02
Hail, all!
Note what Jim Staal has now CONFESSED to:
> -=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Robert Jackson <=-
> MB> So, what's wrong with saying in faith "god, I want to know the
> MB> chemical formula for those pills on JJ's monitor"?
> Because it's that gnome rudzinski's monitor, you...you...silly woman!
Neat!!
You just admitted that george rudzinski is more powerful than your God,
Jim!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:29:14
EID:a134 2042a3a0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 10943339
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 310e2611
PID: FM 2.02
> -=> Quoting Frederick Leff to Andrew Masten <=-
> AM> If you had the slightest idea who God is, you would run to Him
> AM> and not from Him.
> FL> OK, who is he?
> Read the bible and find out for yourself.
Did that. Now on my 18th straight time.
Also did what said Bible told me to do to find its God.
That didn't work either.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HITLER
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:44:15
EID:24b1 2042a580
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 1094333a
PID: FM 2.02
> -=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Judith Bandsma <=-
> SA> They've got videotape on Mars? Oooh. NTSC or PAL? :)
> Since I don't understand your acronyms...VHS.
YOU, of ALL the regulars here, need to understand THOSE acronyms!!
NTSC: National Television Standards Committee. The oldest standard for television
video. 525 lines, 30 frames/second interlaced in 60 fields/second. This
is the standard television signal in the US, Canada, Central America, and
Japan.
PAL: Phase Alternate Line, the next advance in video. 625 lines/frame, 50
frames/sec. Used in Africa, EUROPE including THE NETHERLANDS, and China.
PAL-M: Color arrangements like PAL, but 525 lines/frame, 30 frames/sec.,
just like NTSC. Used in South America.
SECAM: (Acronym unknown) 625 lines/frame, 50 frames/sec. NOT interlaced.
Used only in the former USSR, Mongolia, Algeria, and France.
ALL of these can be recorded to VHS format, so, if Leo's kin send you a
VCR tape and you can't play it, now you know why.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 02 Feb 96 20:49:16
EID:bf36 2042a620
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 1094333b
PID: FM 2.02
> Oh well, if it continues in this vein, maybe someday I'll find an
> unprogrammed Quaker meeting on radio or tv. One hour of silence.
It happens most Sundays and Mondays at broadcast stations anyway. It's called
"Transmitter Testing".
> Wouldn't that be different? Maybe I should start my own line of
> tapes for those who can't make it to Meeting.
Color Bars Meditations!! How neat!!
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:20:17
EID:7a76 2042aa80
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 1094333c
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 6153b2d0
PID: FM 2.02
> SB> Maria still (in this day and age) believes that poor people are
> SB> lazy.
> Some are. Let's not forget that Maria's "sin" is not one of
> conservatism but of overgeneralization.
Scot just forgot the "all", that's all.
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|From: Sean McCullough
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Farewell To Holysmoke
|Date: 03 Feb 96 00:14:18
EID:41f8 204301c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 10979d75
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 2e0606ed
PID: FM 2.02
> SA> Hey, Sean...you have been at this longer than I have. What WOULD
be
> SA>the best cheese to go with that whine? (I haven't figured out
if
> SA>that would be a red, white, or blush whine yet)
> I would say a (plastic jug) white. He lacks the body and character for
> a red, and he probably hasn't blushed over his inanities in years.
Sue's askin' about the CHEESE here, not the whine!! [giggle]
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Quantum pseudoscience
|Date: 04 Feb 96 11:05:45
EID:1b6c 204458a0
MSGID: 1:100/435.1 8981fea5
REPLY: Fidonet#1:380/16 3110ff20
On 01 Feb 96, Hector Plasmic wrote:
HP> BTW, are you still holding forth that Bohm's quantum interpretation,
HP> and, in fact, all interpretations excepting MWI, fall apart due to
HP> non-locality? How'd you make such a silly mistake? :-)
I didn't. You did. NONE of them "fall apart" because of nonlocality,
since nonlocality is demonstrated to be _real_. MWI falls apart 'cause
it's utterly nonfalsifiable; forever untestable. It's just the only one
that doesn't _need_ nonlocality.
Better brush up on your reading skills; you're seeing what you want to
see instead of what's there to see.
JB : jbrawley@toadnet.org [or] jbrawley@cheswicks.toadnet.org
: john.brawley@p1.f9.n8012.z86.toadnet.org
: jbrawley@slacc.com FidoNet: 1:100/435.1
... As you believe, so you perceive . . .
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|From: Aaron Boyden
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: UNCAUSED CAUSE?
|Date: 05 Feb 96 00:55:00
EID:10ce aa00e640
MSGID: 1:206/2720 1200b38d
PID: FM 2.2c.mL OC0000B3
> AB> actually don't think that there's anything inconceivable about an
> AB> uncaused cause, but I very much doubt that such a thing exists.
Of
> You believe in an infinite regress of cause and
> effect, perhaps?
Sure. Why not?
> I would think there would finally have to be an
> uncaused cause, but of
> course whether you believe it is the universe or God
> is a matter of
> debate. Not flaming,honestly curious.
I fail to see any incoherence in an infinite regress. As I mentioned above,
I also don't see any incoherence in an uncaused cause (Hume has a good discussion
of that issue), but an uncaused cause seems quite a lot stranger to me than
an infinite regress. That's just an intuition, though, and I don't put
that much weight on it. After all, as you note, admitting an uncaused cause
does virtually nothing to settle theological questions, or indeed any other
questions of any real interest.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 06:33:00
EID:e362 20433420
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Judith Bandsma <=-
KW> get the netmail, or did FIDO?
FIDO had lunch on us...again.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: Uncaused cause?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:41:00
EID:451c 20433d20
-=> Quoting Aaron Boyden to Norbert Sykes <=-
AB> must exist, rather than (as it is more traditionally interpreted) that
AB> the being named must exist.
Aaron, while THIS Norbert Sykes sounds nothing like him, didn't Cap'n Fuck
use that name at one time? It just sounds too familiar to me. It's also
a different node number than the Captain, but hey, that doesn't mean much.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:48:00
EID:88c8 20433e00
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
DW> That's nice, dearie. Run back to the kitchen and whip us up something
DW> to eat now, ok? When we need you again, we'll send you another
Metamucil and All-Bran meatloaf, mashed potatoes whipped with milk (of
magnesia), brussels sprouts, a big salad, 2 glasses of raw cider and
chocolate pie for dessert. How does that sound?
BTW, the bathroom is out of order.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 07:56:00
EID:1d61 20433f00
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Judith Bandsma <=-
JH> We're going to need a good excuse for putting it in August.
Wasn't August (or close on the heels thereof) the month of your first
death/disappearance? Or was that the month of your first resurrection?
I know it was one of them.
... Death called while you were out, so I gave him your pager number.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Judy...judy...judy...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 08:00:00
EID:f25b 20434000
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Brother Jimmy <=-
KDM> Tell her how big you are, Jim.
Hey, IF he is that tall, he's only 2 inches taller than Leo. Whoopee.
I've been dealing with Leo from a height of 5'3" for 22 years now. The
extra 2 inches is probably just a bad toupee anyway.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Get over it!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:16:00
EID:5a84 20435200
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Brother Jimmy <=-
LB> imagination -- little wonder why no single persona can come up with
a
LB> complete idea!
Well, if he has to have other personalities, I thought Sister Zelda was
kinda cute. Of course, the beard has GOT to go.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: White-lightning Religions
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:32:00
EID:e5e5 20435400
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> Nope. I absorb all the moisture I need from eucalyptis leaves. It's
a
PS> koala thing.
ML> How marsupial of you (I'll probably get pouched in the nose for
ML> that one...)
Yeah! Because you should have said that if those cute little marsupials
ever migrated to South America and found new trees to live in, that their
species would be known as Coca Koala.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: PERSECUTION CENTRAL
|Date: 03 Feb 96 10:35:00
EID:6ca6 20435460
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> Trying to curry favor?
BZZZZZT! Herbs, not spices. Don't want to hear that chive.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:05:00
EID:0007 204360a0
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Judith Bandsma <=-
MG> that was as bad as that. If Torquemada was alive, it would be in his
MG> shop of horrors.
Didn't you read the label? I think he's listed as one of the inventors.
At any rate, the 'oude' formula dates from that time. From what I understand,
it is an acquired taste.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:10:00
EID:5a19 20436140
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Judith Bandsma <=-
SA> I would hope that you would have enough sense not to burn seven
SA> candles for each Staal persona...it would burn down the state! ;)
I didn't feel like getting a fire permit. However, I may ask the fire
department if I can light the next training fire they do. I have a place
where I can buy candles by the case. SOLID black, too. Not just a black
coating over a white candle.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:16:00
EID:a88d 20436200
-=> Quoting Sue Alexander to Christian Miller <=-
CM> I don't see any "Zeus, Odin, or Gaia" Bibles out there.
SA> So a religion needs a book saying it is true to be a true
SA> religion? Yeah, right.
Well, if he needs books for those...let's see. Here's Zeus's bible,
today called Greek mythology. Here's Odin's bible, today called Norse
mythology. Gaea was Greek, so she doesn't need her own bible...just one
book.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:01:28
EID:949c 2044a020
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03 Feb 96 00:20, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> I don't remember. It's a fine example of research dollars gone to
DW>> waste, though.
PS> Almost like spending $17,000 to find out why people want to escape
PS> from jail. (True story)
I find it all too easy to believe. What results did they come up with?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:50:20
EID:7ab6 20449e40
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03 Feb 96 15:51, J.J. Hitt wrote to Lynda Bustilloz:
JH> Down here "legally blind" means vision that is 20/200 or worse.
JH> We don't let them drive.
Horseshit. My uncorrected vision is at least 20/200 (and probably closer
to 400). When I take off my glasses, I have had both Tennessee and Mississippi
drivers licenses, and have no doubts that I could get one in Texas.
JH> And I dont care what kind of lenses
JH> they've got,
The lenses I've got are thicker than average, but they're by no means coke-bottle
lenses. I think you should check your numbers again (maybe after a visit
to the eyedoctor). :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:11:03
EID:d28f 2044a160
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03 Feb 96 00:20, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Would you be willing to bet on whether or not Jimbo leaps to
DW>> Tricky Dick's defense?
PS> Not at all. I wouldn't put much past him.
As you probably have seen by now, Jimbo *did* leap to Nixon's defense. I
think you said it best with:
PS> Pathetic,
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:03:48
EID:31b4 2044a060
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03 Feb 96 00:20, Preston Simpson wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> OK. I *might* be home for spring break in the middle of March
DW>> (depending on how far behind I am with my projects). If not then,
DW>> it'll be sometime after the 11th of May.
PS> Sure. If you don't still have my number,
I don't. I didn't write it down the one time I had it.
PS> I'll Netmail it to you.
Either that or dworrell@utk.edu
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:42:16
EID:a484 20449d40
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31150ca0
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03 Feb 96 21:07, Shelby Sherman wrote to Jim Staal/Lumposhit:
L>> .....and we don't want to hear about your sexual fantasies
L>> with Jimmy Swaggert either,
SS> This is more than once that you have defended Swaggart, Jimbo. Is he
SS> your role model?
Did you miss the original round of Murphree quotes, and Jim's subsequent
explosion? It was shortly after he first arrived here.
According to Staalie, Bro Swaggart was set up by a conspiracy between that
evil, godless bitch-slut and the liberal media.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 04 Feb 96 19:34:45
EID:af2f 20449c40
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04 Feb 96 11:35, Steve Quarrella wrote to David Worrell:
BJ>>> I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
BJ>>> There is only One God, Not three!
DW>> Oh, goody. Another one of these anti-trinitarian bozos. Has
DW>> anybody got a trinitarian up their sleeve?
SQ> Welp, I was baptized Catholic, even though I'm as Catholic as Pat
SQ> Robertson is. Does that count?
Looks like it's gonna have to. Have at 'im.
DW>> + Origin: At any time, at any place, our snipers can drop you
SQ> "Have a nice day."
It wouldn't fit :(
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Saul the Jewish Roman
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:09:39
EID:aa0c 2044a120
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01 Feb 96 18:21, Hector Plasmic wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Oh, so that's why you said:
MH>>>>>> He was not Roman.
DW>> Is that some more of that new fundy-logic I've been hearing so
DW>> much about?
HP> Must be. I'm an atheist. I'm also an American. Mikey will now try
HP> to limit my choices to one or the other, no doubt.
He is rather fond of limiting people's choices, isn't he?
Good to see you back. Al missed you. :)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 04 Feb 96 20:06:06
EID:a74c 2044a0c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31151247
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 618c7740
03 Feb 96 05:21, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> You'll be amazed at all the Cro-Magnons that come out of
DW>> the woodwork.
JH> I was under the distinct impression that the current version
JH> of humanity was the Cro-Magnon. Did they finally come out with
JH> Humans95 while I wasn't watching?
Hmmmm....
Staalie posted that using my name. *I* would never have confused Neanderthals
with Cro-Magnons. Yeah, that's it, it was Staalie. Would I lie to you?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 01 Feb 96 00:22:00
EID:0bf2 204102c0
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RJ> JH> You know you're a hopeless case when you buy a cut of meat simply
RJ> JH> because the price tag says $6.66.
RJ>
RJ> Boy, you just don't know when to quit, do you? First you ask
RJ> Asmodiddley to off you with a demonic curse and then you go
RJ> cook yourself a hunk of Satanically-priced meat. Pure balls.
Next thing ya know, he'll be calling the Holy Spook a "pile
of steaming, smelly goat shit."
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 01 Feb 96 01:06:00
EID:e7e8 204108c0
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d1a
TID: GE 1.11+
SA> > So, you prefer conservative propaganda?
SA>
SA> No, I prefer to see the actual people doing what they do.
SA> Apparently, people are not realizing what I spell out
SA> as in what you quoted of me:
Do you not agree that BOTH sides practice the beloved art of
propaganda?
SA> HARDLY! Who besides Limbaugh are exposing Clinton's fuckups on TV?
SA> For the most part, Rush isn't even on during primetime.
Most of the talk radio programs in these parts are
hosted by conservatives and Rush wannabes. I've seen
no tv programs in the same genre as Rush's, hosted by
a liberal.
SA> He's the only one showing the liberals with their proverbial pants
SA> down, and feet in their mouth. He shows what the liberal media
SA> refuses to show (for obvious reasons).
Does the 'liberal' media (the networks) deride conservatives
in the same manner as Rush does liberals?
SA> To dichotomize it in such a manner would be narrow in scope.
SA> I suggest that you do some more research before trying to group
SA> conservatives (such as myself) with Christians. Most Christians
SA> _may_ be conservatives; but not necessarily the inverse.
I considered the possiblity that you were simply a fiscal
conservative. But it appears to go beyond that.
SA> No, because I don't rely solely on the liberalist media that would
SA> have the general public buy into such an incorrect stereotype.
SA> Your logic is analogous to the old addage that "pot leads to heroin".
SA> My analogy being that most heroin users have tried pot; but not the
SA> other way around.
You DON'T think the Republicans are pandering to the
Religious Right? Alan Spectre is one of the few with
the balls not to.
SA> Christianity may lead to conservativism; but conservativism does
SA> not lead to Christianity. I'm proof. So is Fred Leff.
Prewett mode: noted.
SA> We both believe that people should hold themselves accountable
SA> instead of expecting a big government to "fix" everyone's problems.
SA> We believe in working for a living, instead of financing leeches
SA> with special interest tax & spend programs that give no incentive
SA> for anyone to give anything back to those who bear the burden.
How far would you go in trimming government support? Not
all of those in need are 'leeches'.
SA> > They favor tradition, the status quo and often, a return to
SA> > the 'good old days' (when gays stayed in the closet,
SA> > women stayed in the kitchen and minorities weren't
SA> > 'uppity').
SA>
SA> That's bullshit; and if you ever bother to listen to the actual
SA> conservatives leading congress today, you'll learn that.
I didn't realize that conservative leaders supported
homosexual rights, the ERA and affirmative action. Live
and learn.
SA> PROGRESS? Examine our fucked up welfare system. Gee. Looks
SA> very similar to CHRISTIAN programs like "missions" and church
SA> soup kitchens, doesn't it? Wow. Maybe Christians are liberals
SA> after all, since they seem to share a common bond, eh?
Once again, back to the 'welfare system'. It's the thought
of those lazy bastards getting some of YOUR money that really
gripes your ass, isn't it? By 'social progress', I meant
things like civil rights, EEO, getting religion out of the
schools, voting rights, etc. If not for 20th century liberalism,
do you think ANY of these things would have happened?
SA> Hopefully by this, you can see how ludicrous your reasoning
SA> appears to me.
I can see that we disagree but don't expect me to convert.
SA> At least Christians VOLUNTEER to feed/help the
SA> "unfortunate". Liberalist welfare programs REWARD people for
SA> not working - even when they can work, but won't.
And that is wrong. But not ALL public assistance is wrong.
SA> > If the politicos that you support were to attain
SA> > unchecked power, this echo might cease to exist.
SA>
SA> Bullshit. Listen to THEM instead of the liberalist media that
SA> seeks to breed such paranoid propaganda.
Let he who is without paranoia cast the first 'bullshit'.
SA> Christians support
SA> censorship & restrictions. Conservatives preach self-control
SA> over government-control. Please expand your narrow scope of
SA> the conservative agenda. Watch C-SPAN and other live video clips
SA> of what they're ACTUALLY SAYING/DOING - instead of taking someone
SA> else's (including my) word for it. See for yourself. Once you do,
SA> you'll wonder how you could have ever taken the media's word for
SA> anything they've ever reported on.
Conservatives, like liberals, must first be ELECTED before
they can implement any of their glorious plans. Unfortunately,
most conservatives have chosen to kiss the ass of the
Religious Right to assure that outcome.
SA> I work. I pay taxes. I work hard. I pay lots of taxes.
SA> I'm tired of seeing lowlife scum fucking off everywhere I look
SA> while I'm busy making ends meet. They get extra benefits for
SA> having more offspring; whereas working class parents can't afford
SA> to have children unless both spouses are working.
I agree there's little incentive to work for minimum wage
when welfare will supply you with about the same lifestyle.
But those who scream the loudest are often making $50,000 to
$100,000 a year. There's no comparison between THAT and
public assistance.
SA> Meanwhile, welfare parasites sit back and protest about how bad
SA> the government is, and how those rich bastards are bad people.
A lot of rich bastards ARE bad people. That's how they
got rich.
SA> Yeah, Rob. You touched a sore spot with me, because your attitude
SA> toward conservatives is the same line that I've been hearing from
SA> those that I describe above.
Yeah, this stirred you up more than Don Ward on a BAD day.
SA> I hope that you work and pay taxes.
SA> If you do, perhaps you can appreciate the view from my side of the
SA> liberal/conservative fence.
Yes, I DO work and pay taxes. And BTW, my federal taxation
method of choice is a national consumption tax. The more
you buy (and the more expensive items you buy), the more
tax you pay. Since those with larger incomes generally buy
more, they would pay more tax. Some essential items would
not be taxed. In essence, a progressive tax without the
cumbersome red tape and loopholes of the current system.
SA> It's time to get tax & spend democrats out of office;
SA> even if it means compromising on anti-theistic interests.
Yes, let's remove those tax and spend democrats and insert
those slash and burn republicans. Is ANY cause worth Ralph
Reed and his ilk gaining MORE power?
SA> It would be interesting to see how many democrats in congress
SA> profess to be Christian, as compared to republicans. The number
SA> within both parties is probably enough to make both of us puke.
On that final note, we can agree. BTW, it's been fun arguing
with someone with a full set of neurons (only a handful of the
theists qualify). However, it's a shame your neurons are
misfiring when they enter the political arena.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: about my wherabouts
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:26:00
EID:d376 2042ab40
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LB> Hold on -- you're saying BEING homosexual is sinful? That's as stupid
as
LB> saying being cross-eyed, or having ingrown toenails is sinful. Didn't
Jesu
LB> come in order to face every temptation and trial that we do -- without
sinn
LB> If so, who's to say he didn't ALREADY come as a homosexual?
There you go...trying to mend fences between you and the
fundies.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [1/2] COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 02 Feb 96 21:30:00
EID:1405 2042abc0
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d1c
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LB> OTOH, those "natural" catastrophes that are engineered by poor human
decisi
LB> making, and starvation that occurs because we tend to be wastful in
times o
LB> plenty, and hoard our resources -- or even dispose of them rather than
shar
LB> them freely -- well, David, that's US doing it to US. And God has told
us
LB> not to do that.
What about all the 'US doing it to US' BEFORE God made his wishes
known to the Hebrew culture (and for centuries after, in other
parts of the globe)? Was all THAT human suffering ok because
God hadn't laid down the law yet or because those other poor
bastards weren't Hebrew?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 02 Feb 96 22:05:00
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LB> Of course. But there's a difference between assisting them in solving
thei
LB> problems, and taking over and doing it for them -- which results in
their b
LB> equally helpless when it comes time to solve the next problem. Seriously,
LB> Kevin -- what would you think about someone your age who'd had every
proble
LB> solved by their parents and teachers, and had never learned to do anything
LB> but run to someone else for rescuing? What would you honestly think
of the
LB> adults that had allowed that to happen? And would you want to be around
th
LB> first time that person had a problem and YOU were the one they wanted
to fi
LB> it for them?
I've never suggested that God (pretending he's real here)
should intervene in our BEHAVIORAL bad choices. I have no
problem with a god who lets his subjects run amuck. What
I DO have a problem with is a supposedly 'loving' god who
lets his 'children' suffer in situations where they have
no control. Forget the adults and consider the millions
of children who have suffered from disease, birth defects
and starvation. If there is a god, he isn't 'loving'.
The other possibility is: there is no god. And all the
beauty and the ugliness, all the fairness and unfairness,
the health and sickness, the life and death is the work
of nature. A nature without a conscience.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: flood
|Date: 02 Feb 96 22:47:00
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KD> Why is it, that if I were raped, according to Biblical law the only
KD> thing that would happen is a monetary compensation to whichever man
was
KD> supposedly in charge of me?
KD>
KD> AM> There's alot of admonishments in the bible I don't like either,
but I
KD> AM> think
KD> AM> there good and right.
KD>
KD> They are not good or right. Demanding that women remain silent, for
KD> example.
Morality (for lack of a better word) is a dynamic thing.
Modern societies are beginning to recognize a morality that
comes into conflict with the older, static religious morality.
The shit always hits the fan when a progressive future collides
with a stagnating past.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:15:00
EID:4ae5 204371e0
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SQ> That's alright...I say the same thing about Christians at large. Very
few
SQ> in here qualify as what I would call "Real True Christians," and Jesse
Jone
SQ> is not among them. He is as bad as those whom he decries, so if it
makes h
SQ> feel all pious to say this, let him. :)
Most theists and non-theists probably ARE more moderate
than those who occupy this 'hell hole'. Many of those
here seem to have a high level of emotionalism accompanying
their opinions. Some have been 'burned' by religion while
others feel they've been 'saved'.
As for me, I'm simply a lifelong atheist who's never had a
chance to discuss it much (with anyone but my father). Now,
I'm busting like the proverbial shitpipe.
SQ> RB> BTW, why exactly is this a 'hell hole'? Is it the 'foul'
SQ> RB> language? The disrespect for deities? What?
SQ>
SQ> It is a hell hole because nobody stops what they're doing when Jesse
says
SQ> "My broker is E.F. Hutton..."
It must be somewhat of a shock for theists who are accustommed
to unquestioning respect for their beliefs to stumble into
HolySmoke. It's like the pope visiting a village to dispense
his holy wisdom and a heckler stands up and shouts "Take that
staff and shove it up your ass".
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Judging others
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:41:00
EID:4d6f 20437520
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KD> RB>Ya gotta admit, Preston, Kevin and Quentin are damn clever
KD> RB>fiber-rodents.
KD>
KD> Thank you, Rob.
I calls em like I sees em. The highest compliment for a
theist is "He's a holy man of God" while for a non-theist
it's more likely to be "He's got a head on his shoulders and
he knows how to use it."
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:49:00
EID:e067 20437620
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d21
TID: GE 1.11+
JS> JS> No problem, sir. I am glad I could provide a bit of light in this
JS> JS> sometimes dark and friendless place. :)
JS>
JS> RB> Descriptions of HolySmoke:
JS>
JS> RB> Jim Staal: dark and friendless place
JS> RB> Jesse Jones: hell hole
JS>
JS> I don't know about Jesse's, but do you always take _everything_ out
of
JS> context, Rob? I said '_sometimes_ dark and friendless place'...
If I was trying to be deceptive, would I have left your entire
quote at the top?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:52:00
EID:9645 20437680
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d22
TID: GE 1.11+
JS> RB> This 'sucking up to the heathens' accusation is reminiscent of
JS> RB> another 'label': nigger lover.
JS>
JS> Hmmm...what's a 'nigger'?
It's commonly used as a derogatory term for a minority. Not
that different from 'heathen' really.
Picture this: A small town in the year 1900 overwhelmingly
supports segregation. But one oddball on the outskirts of
town regularly associates with the 'minorities'. He even
defends their civil rights. The good citizens of the town
are almost unanimous in their opinion of this upstart: he's
a 'nigger lover'.
Now just juggle the players slightly and you have 'heathen
lover'.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: love
|Date: 03 Feb 96 15:09:00
EID:8d7e 20437920
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d23
TID: GE 1.11+
JS> RB> That's a step above Staal, who 'appears' to cherish the idea
JS> RB> of 'heinous blasphemers' roasting in hell.
JS>
JS> Do you have _any_ evidence for this line of crap, Rob?
I was prompted to write that after seeing you argue with
someone who stated that non-believers may not necessarily
go to hell. You were a little too quick and enthusiastic
in pointing out that "the bible says heinous blasphemers
go to hell so they go to hell." One even got the impression
that you didn't 'dislike' that inevitablity.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 03 Feb 96 16:26:00
EID:e941 20438340
MSGID: 1:280/9 12153d24
TID: GE 1.11+
MH> RB> Conservatism and religion are natural partners. They
MH> RB> favor tradition, the status quo and often, a return to
MH> RB> the 'good old days' (when gays stayed in the closet,
MH> RB> women stayed in the kitchen and minorities weren't
MH> RB> 'uppity'). Liberalism has made some mistakes, but it
MH> RB> is responsible for nearly all of the social progress
MH> RB> of this century.
MH>
MH> 30 million dead unborn children is "progress?"
No, but allowing women to take control of their own bodies is progress.
MH> A welfare system that
MH> encourages dependency is "progress?"
No, but compassion for the needy is progress.
MH> Value-free education that only
MH> produces value-free students is "progress?"
No, but allowing students to discover their own 'truths'
without indoctrination is progress.
MH> If conservatism and religion are such natural partners, explain why
it
MH> was northern churches who were the most active abolitionists. Explain
MH> why the pre-eminent figure of the civil rights era was a Baptist
MH> preacher. Explain why many Christians today, such as Jesse Jones, Bill
MH> Clinton and Al Gore are liberals.
Explain why Michael Hardy is a theist AND a conservative. Do
you not consider yourself 'mainstream'?
MH> The fact is, religion does NOT automatically favor "the status quo."
MH> Christianity, in fact, was based in revolutionary ideas about faith
and
MH> religious practice, and today still seeks to transform and change the
MH> world. It's pretty hard to be an agent of change if you favor the
MH> status quo.
Yes, Christianity and it's 2000 year old 'revolution' is
on the cutting edge of social change. Forgive me Hector...
ROFL!!!
MH> You're confusing the views of conservatives who are also Christians
MH> with Christianity per se.
Well now, both you and the perpetually lurking Oosterman
have rushed to Styx's defense. Can Staal, Wilcox and Maria
Russell be far behind? That should comfort him beyond
description.
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|From: Annette Spence
|To: All
|Sub: posts
|Date: 05 Feb 96 00:32:24
EID:38c7 20450400
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8010
if anyone has posted to me in the last couple of weeks, please try again.
This is the first time I have recieved any messages on this echo in a
while. Something was wrong with the feed. Thanks.
Annette Spence
2-4-96
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 21:38:00
EID:640b 2043acc0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E28
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-02-96 15:55, Jim Staal got back to Lynda Bustilloz
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
JS> The Bible is indeed inerrant. Apparently what God calls bats are not
JS> what man calls bats, because as the Bible says, the things God calls
JS> bats, He also calls birds.
The only bats that you know, Jimbo, are the ones that are
flying around in that empty belfry you say is your head.
... We must believe in free will. We have no choice.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:12:00
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-> On 02-02-96 16:04, Jim Staal got back to David Worrell
JS> BTW, big boy, back in '73 I wore a black arm band on the day after my
JS> main man resigned. Greatest statesman and president that ever lived:
JS> Richard Milhouse Nixon!
You can take it off now, Jimmy. It's been 23 yrs.
Besides, arm bands aren't supposed to be worn over your eyes.
... "Have you noticed how little I have lied since my death?" R.M. Nixon
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:33:00
EID:7adf 20444c20
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TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-02-96 16:13, Jim Staal got back to Al Schroeder
JS> and the inderstanding of it the Holy Spirit has given in my heart) I
am
JS> leaving the echo after three years. I stayed too long. Thanks.
You are a poltroon.
And a bigot. You still haven't answered the comment you made about
Hillel being a "moron [and a] jew boy]. Very xian of you, Jimbo.
... Which one of you is in possesion of the solitary Staal neuron today?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Judging Others
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:36:00
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-> On 02-01-96 19:35, Karen Davis got back to Linda Whitten
KD> I just installed a Multimedia kit [Creative Labs/Soundblaster] on my
KD> 386SX 33. So I know it will work.
It'll work on an SX system? Hmmm, I think I have access to one...
How much memory do you need? The one in question can only support
about 4 meg....
... Even if you ban all books, you can't ban the mind.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Laughter at Lumpy Staal
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:39:00
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-> On 02-02-96 16:14, Jim Staal got back to Sue Alexander
SA> Funny, your writing looks like you are about 14 and posting from
SA> a "teen chat" board....
JS> Why do you post a reply to Lump's post to me?
Because of your credibility, or rather lack of it.
... Which one of you is in possesion of the solitary Staal neuron today?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: LIKELY STORY....
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:43:00
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-> On 02-01-96 17:16, Judith Bandsma got back to Sue Alexander
GtP> Remember when he was calling me Gweeny and stuff like that.
JS> Merely a typo, due to the problem I was having with my hands and the
JB> And the 'e' key is SO close to the 'n' key on the keyboard that it is
JB> an understandable mistake.
Nahh, it's because he types with his nose. (Or is it his toes?)
... Hey Santa! How much for your list of naughty girls??
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:45:00
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-> On 02-01-96 19:39, Kevin D. Mckenzie got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> PS> I know not. Let's find out.
DC>
DC>Did you pick up your feed to it yet? I haven't see a message
KDM> Have you seen any of my posts yet?
Yep, you've been really slamming the brain-dead Staal well! Keep
up the good work in the GET_STAAL Echo.
... "Igor, what brought you here?" "Just a hunch, master...."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 04 Feb 96 09:59:00
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-> On 02-01-96 13:13, Brad Jackson got back to All
BJ> There is only One God, Not three!
That's nice. Got some independent evidence to varify that
claim of yours?
BJ> Jesus is God! He dwelt amoung us in the Flesh!
And he's dead. Get over it.
... Every fundy flamed enlightens the world.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: position
|Date: 04 Feb 96 10:07:00
EID:b356 204450e0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E30
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-> On 02-02-96 21:03, Michael Hardy got back to Judith Bandsma
MH> One day, someone asked the rabbi if he was aware this was going on.
MH> "Of course," he said. "I have nothing against it. Some of my best Jews
MH> are Friends." :)
LOL-TIME!
MH> ... To laugh well is to live well.
Good choice of taglines, as well...
... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lump
|Sub: Re: Ride this!
|Date: 04 Feb 96 10:34:00
EID:152a 20445440
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E31
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-> On 02-02-96 15:00, Lump got back to Sue Alexander
SA> Brilliant response...did you have to go to school for that?
Lu> ...No, but, from the looks of you, your mother and father did and
Lu> failed...probably still held back.
You taking over being the H_S Idiot, now that your brudder has
announced his departure?
If so, you are doing a marvelous job in taking up where that
bigot of a brother of yours has left off.
My Dad grew up during the depression. He went to work in the
coal mines at the age of 12. Fortunately, my aunt was able to
get him out of there and got him a job in a bakery.
Not much later, he enlisted in the Army and fought against
bigots who were attempting to rule the world. Got a Bronze
Star for his efforts in the Ardennes.
He got his HS diploma at the age of about 42, and was very proud
of it. Took him 2 yrs of night school, while working full time,
to obtain it.
Now, asshole, I dare you to call my Dad "stupid". Go ahead,
make my day, you inbreed cretin.
... "Eat shit. 10 billion flies can't be wrong." Brian Syme
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: ----
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:38:00
EID:5c87 204464c0
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-> On 02-01-96 18:17, Sue Armstrong got back to Dan Ceppa
LB> and asked "Where is the one who as been born king of the Jews? We saw
LB> his star in the east (or "star when it rose") and have come to worship
DC> Did the wise men walk across the Mediterranean? Best I can say
DC> is they had feet as big as Staals, or at least egos...
SA> started out east of Bethlehem, the star would have had to have
SA> been in the _west_ for them to follow it to the indicated town.
SA> ?
Don't expect much scientific astronomical accuracy from a bunch of
sheepherders that get lost in a desert for 40 years...
... BARNEY virus found--(A)bort (R)etry (S)hoot it
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:47:00
EID:88c6 204465e0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E33
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-> On 02-01-96 19:05, Sue Armstrong got back to Dan Ceppa
AG> The First AND Second World Wars were engineered by the international
AG> bankers. Here is a little historic background for your study:
> suprised to see "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" mentioned
> prominently, but the idea of Hitler keeping the EXCESSES of the "Nazi
> War Lords"--curiously unnamed, don't you think? Who WERE these
> in the states SAW the death camps, and one of the posters here has a
> father with a deathcamp tatoo. It sounds so plausible, and is so sick.
SA> Hell-on-Earth, and they could see half-starved Jews (and
SA> presumably others) trudging to and from their slave-labour duties
SA> every goddamned day before the liberation. Grigor-Scott is lucky
SA> my uncle is no longer alive, else he'd fly to Sydney and beat the
SA> little fuck to within an inch of his life (if he even spared him
SA> THAT.) And I'd give him directions on how to get to West Ryde
SA> from the airport, too.
I'd have donated towards the plane ticket.
SA> There's nothing more disgusting on the face of the Earth than a
SA> fucking Nazi.
My father was in Germany at the end of the war. He, too, saw
the horror.
The Revisionists are a dangerous set. Fortuanately, there are
other peoples(s) that remember it. It can't be allowed to be
forgoten. If it is, it will happen yet again.
Al Schroeder, if you can read my messages (have't seen any from
you, thanks for the tagline.)
... Because I remember, I have a duty not to despair.--Elie Wiesel
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Homosexual need freed
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:59:00
EID:cd71 20446760
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E34
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-02-96 17:21, Karen Davis got back to Dan Ceppa
With: Les Wilcox, lying his ass off.
KD> Yeah, it's a Windows *.wri file.
DC> Wonder what the dear xian will have to say about that!
KD> He's claiming I'm making it up.
But of course! What ever would you expect him to do? He makes
such a great poster boy for his cause.
If he had a brain, I'd ask him how he reconciles that contradiction
with what he read in his bible. Then, too, that's full of
contradictions as well...
... "Ignorance is free but it exacts an enormous price." Marty Leipzig
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: The Light
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:06:00
EID:f1eb 204468c0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E35
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-> On 01-31-96 11:54, Brad Jackson got back to Dan Ceppa
BJ> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
BJ> I would like to share it with you to save you time looking it
DC>
DC> Did you fall on a rock, or make your god up as you go along?
BJ> No I didn't fall on a rock but thank you for your concern! No I
So, just which point on your head hit the ground first?
BJ> don't make God up as I go along, but I do discover new things about
BJ> him every day, if that is what you mean.
Got any evidence of that god of yours, outside your head injury
and your bible, of course?
BJ> I know people that like bars in general but not a salad bar. You
BJ> must run with a wild crowd Dan!
Yes, rathr wild... They do things like look at evidence before
coming to a conclusion. It's called "thinking". You should try
the concept sometime.
BJ> 2 Timothy 3:16
BJ> All scripture given by [inspiration] of God, and
Seems like you are really good at spinning you little head
in circles. The only reason it spins so fast is that, other
than th cranium, there is no other mass to accelerate.
BJ> God Bless you Dan!
No need for your imaginary fiend[sic] to do that.
Sincerely yours,
God Dan
... Prayer: A request for annulment of the laws of the universe.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Re: The Ultimate Shit Lis
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:13:00
EID:b483 204469a0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891A0E36
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-> On 02-01-96 21:49, Norbert Sykes got back to Dan Ceppa
JS> learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he wallows in
JS> the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
NS> ^^^^^^
NS> At last, evidence of bigotry! WHAT exactly is wrong with being
DC> I'm still waiting for the bigot to get back to me on him calling
DC> Hillel a "moron" and a "jew boy".
NS> Actually, it was:
JS> learn...provided the trauma is severe enough. Meanwhile he wallows in
JS> the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
NS> ^^^^^^
See what happens when you OLR strips out spaces! I corrected the
initial comment, but let the second recap slide...
NS> reply, I'm getting shined on on this one. I, too, saw the jewboy
NS> reference. Clearly clan material. As for calling someone a
Please, do mention Staal's statement to that effect to Michael
Hardy. He's been trying to defend Staal to all comers. Must
be a character flaw, or some xian thing...
NS> Remember Sam Spade in the Maltese Falcon? "The cheaper the hood the
NS> gaudier the patter..."
Must have had the "English Major" in mind when the line was scripted.
DC> ... Cry, "Bother" and let loose the four poohs of the Apocalypse.
NS> I have now appropriated this for my file. Thanx!
No problem... I have a 2 gig HD set aside to handle just my
FUNDY.TXT files. (Don't I wish!)
... "I'de rather be an idoit and go to heaven.." Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:16:00
EID:7928 20446a00
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-> On 02-02-96 12:35, Norbert Sykes got back to Dan Ceppa
}:> An lo Dan did give unto Preston
NS> a parable on animal abortions <:(
Works for me...
MG> Why is human life different from other animal life?
PS> "Because we have *souls*!"
DC> And, Aretha Franklin is our Queen!
NS> And James Brown is our King! A-MEN!
Now, let's get the 440 with the Police suspension and the Police
tires wound up and get the fuck ought of here...
... "We're on a mission from God." - Blues Brothers
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|From: Jose Gomez
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: in His own image
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:33:43
EID:5808 20447420
MSGID: 1:18/73.0 8919D2F2
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2206
Yes, God made us in His own image....but not THAT kind of image. God
made man a spiritual being, like Himself, only housed in our outer shell
- our physical bodies.
God does not SEND all of the pestilence and disease to us, but He does
allow it. Why not? We got ourselves in this mess, screwing up the world
the way we have. Why shouldHe provide divine protection for a people who
deny Him. He keeps watch over ME and MY FAMILY. Maybe you should talk to
Him about YOUR life. He's pretty good about taking in new sons.
If not, then live your life blaming Him for everything.....but when it's
all over, you're going to find out that He was TRYING to get your
attention to help you. But it may be too late.
+-Jose-+
....God'll getcha!!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 04 Feb 96 06:41:36
EID:81ff 3114a9a8
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3114a9a8
> SA> Why do you keep telling me things I say I don't want
> to
> SA> know? Is it a hobby or something? :)
>
> Public service.
Busybody. [snort]
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 04 Feb 96 06:47:54
EID:81ff 3114abf3
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3114abf3
> Hi Ryan!
> It seems you woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning!
That's impossible! Ryan doesn't get out of bed in the morning---he sleeps
all day! hehe
> should pass
> on the word of God to others like yourself.
> Matthew 5:16
> Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your
Unless he doesn't *want* you to and then you are being a pest.
> God Loves even the sinner, but hates the sin!!
If god hates the sin and loves the sinner, why is he/she/it sending the
*sinner* to hell? He should be sending the *sin* to hell and keeping the
sinner.
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Re: An interesting situation 1
|Date: 05 Feb 96 06:19:12
EID:81ff 3115f9e7
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3115f9e7
> But Windsor is the tourist town; Detroit is not.
My first, and only, experience with Detroit was about 10 years ago when
i went with a group from Milwaukee for a weekend. If that was any indication
of what Detroit *is*, then Detroit *isn't*. [& we stayed further out on
Seven Mile Road, fergoatsakes!]
I decided to take a ride on Sunday morning and had 3 events that definitely
caused me to not ever go back...
In the space of ONE HOUR, I had:
A lady(?) at a stoplight SLAM her door open, get out, adjust her dress,
slam her door open more into the van I was driving, (enough to make a dent),
get in and spit on my van through my window....and drive off.
Have to be "buzzed-into" a Burger King and was told by the manager that
they are also installing metal-detectors soon.
Went to a convenience store for some cigarettes and stood outside a bulletproof
window for about 3 minutes while the person inside sat on the other side
of the window and read the comics.
Me: Hey man, can I get a pack of (whatever)?
He: Huh?
Me: Can I get a pack of (whatever)?
He: I'm busy.
Me: Huh?
He: I'm BUSY! (yelling)
Me: Go fuck yourself.
He: Fuck THIS, bud! (holding a gun)
That hour was enough to make me swear off Detroit forever.
Now, Windsor was a different story...
Last summer, I drove a charter bus to Windsor and everyone that I met was
so friendly that it was like another world. No weird experiences.
Amazing difference!
--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Re: FLASH!! Vatican sold to MS!!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 06:40:53
EID:81ff 3115fb03
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 3115fb03
> Please, tell me this was a parody; a caricature. I'm
> debating as
> to whether I should shiver in dread, or laugh out loud ...
Total parody. (or is it?) :)
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: One God Steve
|Date: 05 Feb 96 07:26:10
EID:81ff 311605a5
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311605a5
> BJ> Steve are you saying that you believe in some other
> God
> BJ> other then Jesus? Or don't you believe in any God Steve?
>
> GOD STEVE!
> Steve Rose has been elevated to God status.
Heathen! The ONE, True God is Dan! GOD DAN!
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 05 Feb 96 02:24:43
EID:925f 20451300
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31156aed
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 31145742
04 Feb 96 06:46, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to David Worrell:
SA>> (And Bush obviously was not a genuine fundy - he merely knew how
SA>> to gain support from the theistic masses by faking it.)
DW>> He wasn't a fundy? What else do you call a man who claims that he
DW>> doesn't think atheists should be allowed citizenship?
LB> (puzzled look) I missed that comment -- what exactly did he say, and
LB> when?
Why, Lynda, I'm glad you asked....
---------
George Bush on atheism and patriotism
"Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered
citizens?"
The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between
Robert I. Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August
27 1988. Sherman is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by
invitation as a member of the press corps. The Republican presidential
nominee was there to announce federal disaster relief for Illinois.
The discussion turned to the presidential primary:
RS:
"What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are
atheists?"
GB:
"I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God
is important to me."
RS:
"Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
Americans who are atheists?"
GB:
"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under
God."
RS:
"Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the
separation of state and church?"
GB:
"Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not
very high on atheists."
UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were
still angry over the remarks.
The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February
27, 1989. It can also be found in "Free Inquiry" magazine, Fall 1988
issue, Volume 8, Number 4, page 16.
On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane,
co-chairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a
lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated
School District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade
atheist son to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as
"one nation under God" (Bush's phrase). The following conversation
took place:
RS:
"American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit
yesterday. Does the Bush campaign have an official response to
this filing?"
EM:
"It's bullshit."
RS:
"What is bullshit?"
EM:
"Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."
RS: "Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush
campaign is on this issue."
EM:
"You're welcome."
After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to
retract his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel
to the President, replied on White House stationery that Bush
substantively stood by his original statement, and wrote:
"As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither
supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be
unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government."
For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the
American Atheist Press's Cameron Road address.
-----
Does this answer your question?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Persevere
|Date: 05 Feb 96 02:23:48
EID:5912 204512e0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31156a59
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 31149219
03 Feb 96 11:40, Don Martin wrote to Katherine Wintersnight:
DM> inspirational": a fool and his money are soon parted only if the
DM> fool is well greased.
I find the notion of a congregation full of well-greased fundies strangely
unappealing.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MARTY LEIPZIG
|Sub: Book him, Danno
|Date: 04 Feb 96 15:36:00
EID:1628 20447c80
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Fredric Rice <=-
>FR> "Prometheus was not sentenced unjustly."
ML> Yeah...but chaining him to a rock and sending an eagle
ML> to pluck at his liver?
Fortunatly for humanity, the Son of God (Heracles) set
Prometheus free.
ML> The least he could do is make him drink scotch instead.
Isn't that the same as having one's liber plucked out,
albeit slower?
... "Let them eat cake." M. Antoinette "Let them eat shit." N. Gingrich
* Shy.David@EdenBBS.com
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Blinded me with science...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:30:54
EID:afee 204573c0
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REPLY: 1:228/500.0 310fc7e7
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CHRS: ibmpc 2
Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> You demanding evidence?
JS> Correct. Problem? I hear this 'death cult' stuff all the time and
JS> yet not one atheist/pagan can come up with one shred of evidence to
JS> support it.
We have presented you with plenty of evidence. You just chose to _ignore_
it.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: HA!?
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:32:35
EID:5961 20457400
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> That's more than can be said about you Lonny.
JS> Evidence to support this claim?
Which one am I speaking to now?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Time...is on my side...yes, it is...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:34:49
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Why then, do you insist on remaining ignorant? Why not `make the
RS> time' to use rationality?
JS> I thought you weren't going to resort to denigrating remarks, Ryan.
It is not a degrading remark. I was simply describing your current condition.
JS> I do not consider myself ignorant or irrational. I may not know
But you are. You continue to believe in things that you have not researched
and you continue to ignore evidence presented to you.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Women...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:36:08
EID:585b 20457480
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REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31118488
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> While things can be learned from the literary works of the past it is
RS> quite dangerous to apply such things from yesterday to the world of
RS> today.
JS> The problem with this argument is that I do not hold the Bible to
JS> be a mere 'literary work'. I believe it to be the Word of God.
Do you have any evidence that backs up your assertion that this god thing
even exists?
RS> One must keep and ever expanding worldview, or be left in the
RS> dust.
JS> Correct. That is why the Bible is timeless...as vivacious and
JS> 'politically correct' today as it was when it was written. It
JS> applies directly to life in the 20th (and 21st) century and
JS> beyond...
What about the scientific errors contained in the Bible? What about the
outdated `rules' contained in the Bible?
JS> Nothing personal, merely biblical instruction, therefore it is done
JS> in that manner.
Do you enjoy being a nonthinking robot for your god?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: navy
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:41:53
EID:0186 20457520
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RM> I'm in the Navy.
RS> It's amazing that are wonderful armed forces still let such stupid
RS> people enlist.
MH> And the ones who can't get in even under those standards become
MH> atheists and post to Holy Smoke.
You're right, fundy. I _am_ unqualified because I could not lift a M16,
aim at another human, and start pumping bullets into him/her. I refuse
to be a puppet in a political play where I wouldn't be pulling the strings.
Mickey, I though you valued human life? Wouldn't that make you opposed
to the killing our military [and other those from other countries as well]
do?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:45:08
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
MH> You're comparing apples and pomegranates. I support environmental
MH> protection. You're absolutely right, maintaining the ecosystem is
MH> vitally important to our own survival.
RS> It's the same damn thing, and your religion is partly responsible for
RS> all this. In your religion, only human life is of value.
MH> I strongly disagree. In my religion, everything natural is of
MH> value because it is all part of God's creation.
But for some reason human life is of more value? Please explain the rationalization
behind this.
RS> One last question. Why is human life any more valuable than animal
RS> life?
MH> Because God created us, and only us, in His image. Don't ask me
MH> for evidence of this; it is an article of faith. You either
MH> believe it or you don't.
I should have read further first.
Now you say that just because this god person made humans in his image that
somehow makes us more valuable than animals. Did I get this right?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: information
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:47:08
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Styx Allum:
SA> Christians support censorship & restrictions.
...and I believe Styx was correct in stating this as evidenced by your own
words below:
MH> To echo your own words, get your information about Christians from
MH> unbiased sources and from Christians themselves. What you just said
MH> is true of very few. Most Christians -- not all, but most -- are
MH> quite respectful of the first amendment. We just want the right to
MH> not have what we find offensive shoved in our faces.
Read them again.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: God's Word
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:48:04
EID:5af6 20457600
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Styx Allum:
BJ> I should not have said that I feel sorry for you, because it is
BJ> your choice not to believe on Jesus! I have not found falsehoods
BJ> in the bible, what ones do you think there are?
The "Inerrancy" of the Bible - (1).
***********************************
Right Scott. As you requested, here goes. We all look
forward to your explanation.
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God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26
God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19
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Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12
Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36
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Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark
- Gen 7:2-3
Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19
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Terah's lifespan.
According to Gen 11:26, Terah was 70 when Abraham was
born and Abraham was 75 when he left Haran. Therefore
he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham was born)
plus 75 years (the age of Abraham when he left Haran -
as stated in Gen 12:4). He did not live beyond this as
Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran.
So 70 + 75 = 145 years in total. However, Gen 11:32
states he lived 205 years.
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God promises Abraham the land of Canaan to live in -
Gen 17:8
God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land
- Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13
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Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen 46:26-27,
Ex 1:5
Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 75 - Acts 7:14
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Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that
was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13
Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the
sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16
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The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years - Ex 2:40
The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years - Acts 7:6
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God's plague kills 23,000 - Num 25:9
God's plague kills 24,000 - 1 Cor 10:8
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The Hebrews' journeying - Mount Hor (where Aaron dies),
Zalmonah, Punon - Num 33:37,38,41,42
The Hebrews' journeying - Beeroth Benejaakan, Moserah
(where Aaron dies), Gudgodah, Jotbathah - Deut 10:6,7
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God forbids killing - Ex 20:13
God commands killing - Ex 32:27
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Solomon's reign.
Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when the Hebrews
left Egypt to David beginning his reign as 40
(Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul) = 530 years.
According to 1 Chron 29:27, David reigned 40 years, so
Solomon became king (when David died) 530 + 40 years
(of David's reign) = 570 years. However, 1 Kings 6:1
states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when he began the
Temple building) was 480 years after the Hebrews left
Egypt, ie. he began his rule 476 years after the Hebrews
left. Therefore there is a contradiction of (570 - 476)
94 years.
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Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer him - 1
Sam 28:6
Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God - 1
Chron 10:13,14
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Jesse had seven children - 1 Sam 16:10-13
Jesse had eight children - 1 Chron 2:13-15
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David slays Goliath - 1 Sam 17:4,7,50
Elhanan slays Goliath - 2 Sam 21:19
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Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, Amaziah
his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son - 1 Chron
3:11,12
Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of
Jotham - Matt 1:8,9
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Asa removes the high places - places - 2 Chron 14:2
Asa did not remove the high places - 1 Kings 15:11-14
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Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Nacon - 2 Samuel
6:6
Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Chidon - 1 Chron
13:9
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David takes 1700 horsemen - 2 Sam 8:4
David takes 7000 horsemen - 1 Chron 18:4
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David destroys 700 chariots - 2 Sam 10:18
David destroys 7000 chariots - 1 Chron 19:18
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Satan incites David to number the people - 1 Chron 21:1
God incites David to number the people - 2 Sam 24:1
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Joab's numbering of the army. 1,100,00 soldiers in
Israel; 470,000 soldiers in Judah - 1 Chron 21:5
Joab's numbering of the army. 800,000 soldiers in
Israel; 500,000 in Judah - 2 Sam 24:9
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There is plenty more where that came from.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:54:19
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to All:
JS> After much consideration, I have decided that it is time to leave
JS> the echo. Actually, looking back, my job was finished long ago and
JS> I didn't realize it.
Which name should we use to contact you now?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:56:58
EID:e73c 20457700
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David Worrell wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> And Wyden won. I voted against Smith by voting for Wyden [although
I
RS> don't care for him much]. At least we don't have a Morman
RS> representing us now.
DW> Styx wanted a MORMON to win the election?
From what he's posted so far, I conclude that he did indeed vote for the
Republican in the race -- Gordon Smith, a devout Mormon.
Hell, who cares if we have a Mormon representing Oregon just as long as
he cuts back federal aid to students, sleeps with big business, amd I have
_MY_ money.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: [fwd] Pro-life Real Agend
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:59:32
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Richard Morrison wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS>Do you have any evidence to support your claim that we have these t
RS>called souls?
RM> Other then my own soul? Look up the definition of the term Ryan...
RM> Also, you can then consider what you have. With that the evidence
RM> is clear. I think you might mean do we have any evidence if our
RM> souls live beyond the grave?
No, that's not what I meant.
You insist that humans have souls and I insist on seeing evidence to back
up such a claim.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Staals lies go unrecorded
|Date: 05 Feb 96 15:00:33
EID:3bd5 20457800
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Fredric Rice wrote in a message to All:
FR> I mistakenly erased over 1100 HolySmoke messages so they didn't get
FR> into the archives. Alas. We should think of setting someone else
FR> up as an alternate HS Archiver.
It would be good if two copies were kept. See netmail.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: netmail
|Date: 05 Feb 96 15:01:08
EID:3750 20457820
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CHRS: ibmpc 2
Still no netmail in sight.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: hoppers
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:35:49
EID:da68 20446460
Michael Hardy, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Sue Armstrong:
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Michael Hardy <=-
SA> ridiculous ideas about the world around them - but there's no need
SA> for anyone in a Western(ised) country to be similarly benighted, and
SA> there's no point in such a person trying to think of ways that the
SA> ignorant goat-herders could have been 100% correct in their
SA> beliefs.
MH> Think about it this way, Sue -- since anyone can see that insects do
MH> have six legs, doesn't it make more sense to assume that the
MH> description of them as having four points not to a mistake -- even a
MH> child can count to six -- but to some alternative way of classifying
MH> the two back legs?
SA> The Hebrews probably didn't LOOK. What did THEY care?
MH> Given the length of this post, the number of legs possessed by
MH> insects in obviously of great importance to you. I'm not going to
MH> continue this pointless argument. I've made my case and I think it's
MH> reasonable, but I'm obviously not going to convince you.
MH> In any case, my salvation doesn't hinge on the number of legs on a
MH> grasshopper.
No, but your salvation does hinge on these same author's
accounts of the events at Calvary.
Now, if they cannot be trusted with something as concrete and
mundane as the number of insect locomotory appendages; why do
you grant them special dispensation that they got the account
of the aforementioned, and certainly non-mundane, event correct?
... A screaming comes across the sky...
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:58:42
EID:b8b4 20446740
Karl Schneider, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
ML> -> On 01-22-96 23:24, Steve Wallis got back to Gwenny The Pooh
ML> GtP> that, but HOW did the kangaroo travel all the way from Australia
and
ML> GtP> why didn't some of them stick around the ark afterwards.
ML> Roos? Schmoos. (With apologies to Andy Capp). What of Tasmanian
KS> Um...'Al' Capp, mayhaps?
Goat Damn...I was _this_ close...
ML> Wolves, _Lingula bifurcata_, _Latermeria chalumanae_, and
ML> things that tend to bounce off the bonnet in the middle of the
ML> night?
ML> And I don't mean Foster's beer cans...
KS> heh heh
True story.
... Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Light
|Date: 04 Feb 96 12:59:18
EID:3886 20446760
Brad Jackson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Brad Jackson <=-
ML> Brad Jackson, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot,
ML> said to All:
BJ> Greetings One and All!
BJ> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.
BJ> I would like to share it with you to save you time looking it
BJ> up.
BJ> Psalms 23
ML> [...]
BJ> Praise the Lord!
BJ> Brad Jackson
ML> If you have nothing to say, please do it quietly and briefly.
ML> ... SCAN V2.54 The [Fundy] virus found. Wanna hear about Jesus?
BJ> Hi Marty.
BJ> For sure I have lots to say!
Without quoting scripture? Try something original for once.
BJ> And I see by your tagline you
BJ> would like to talk about Jesus too!
Wrong on two counts. The tagline is inserted automatically, it just
happened to choose that viral reference. Secondly, there are a
universe full of things that interest me more than your pet
religious icon.
BJ> Yes I would like to hear More
BJ> about Jesus, so will you begin or shell I?
How about starting out by saying something new?
BJ> Ok, I will thanks for offering!!
BJ> Isaiah 45:5
BJ> I the LORD, and none else, no God beside
BJ> me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
BJ> We can see by this that there is only one God, we should look no
BJ> further for any other God. This is a very powerfull truth God has
BJ> shown unto us!
I didn't think you could. Same old blather, same old fundy.
... Instead of praying, why not trill? Hell, any idiot can pray. - MRL
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Homosexual Christian
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:13:55
EID:ad91 204471a0
Coridon Henshaw, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
CH> On Friday January 26 1996 at 06:34, Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon
CH> Henshaw:
CM>>>>> Christian
GtP>>>> PAGAN
ML>>> Atheist.
GtP>>> Oh, no, don't tell me I've started something.
ML>> "Not another list, Franz?!?"
CH>> Get a Handel on yourself.
ML> Now Holst on there, buckaroo.
CH> Hang on a minuet.
2/2, 4/4, 6/6...time's up.
CH> I'll have to go look that one up.
Try "The Planets".
CH> CD-ROMs sure
CH> Beethoven that reference book down from upstaal...
Yeah, but you can't balance a formica table on CD-ROMs in your
double-wide.
... Beware of true believers...you may be duped by a false god.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:14:18
EID:f8d9 204471c0
Coridon Henshaw, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
CH> On Friday January 26 1996 at 06:36, Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon
CH> Henshaw:
JB>> I saw Jim Beam ICE CREAM in the store last week.
CH>> Reminds me of Wing On funeral homes here in Toronto...
ML> We have Earthman's Funerals here in Yewston.
CH> A rather sinking name.
There's also a "Planter's Funerary" here as well.
ML> (Not to mention Dick and Seeman Realty Company in Milwaukee.)
CH> Are they in any way related to the lawfirm of Dowe, Screwem and Howe?
A subsidiary of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe; pioneered by
Ben Dover and C. Howett Fields.
... Passed my urine test! Hit the bulls-eye 4 out of 5 times!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: CHRISTOGOGNY
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:14:35
EID:bc32 204471c0
Norbert Sykes, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
}:> An lo Marty did give unto Dan a parable on CHRISTOGOGNY <:(
DC> Well, they'll probably just place it in a local sewage treatment
DC> plant and do their best to forget about it ever getting into
DC> th state in the first place.
ML> They'd call Michigan and demand payment for toxic waste
ML> disposal.
NS>
NS> Please. You guys don't think the land in Michigan has enough
NS> troubles with all the PCBs and Dow Chemical barrels leaking out in the
NS> lower penninsula? };)
That and the trenches they have to dig along side of walks
up there so the natives don't bloody their knuckles as they
perambulate.
... And there's hamburger all over the highway in Mystic, Connecticut.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Fundy
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:15:01
EID:2aa0 204471e0
Zayd Allebban, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-> Why? Quite seriously, if Allah is supposed to be omnipotent and
-> all knowing, why must you pray? Wouldn't an all powerful and
-> all knowing god already know what you were going to say?
ZA> Sure, but He is testing us to see if we DO pray, worship, and fear
ZA> Him.
Not a terribly omnipotent nor all knowing god you worship
there, Zayd. A "One, True God" would have all knowledge of the
universe; past, present and future. If he has to test, then he
does not know the outcome; therefore he's not all knowing.
Nor a God.
... "Hi. I'm God. This film is moving slowly, my children."-Tom
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Altering another quote, scarecrow?
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:09:28
EID:f5fe 20446920
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Altering another
PS> quote, scarecrow?"
ML> Iz Veniet.
PS> Well, you lost *me* on that one.
ML> Sorry (that's what it means, BTW).
PS> Thank you.
PS> "Nechevo" I could at least have a
PS> shot at understanding.
Pazhalst.
ML> Nechevo is Russian for Nyet Problem.
PS>
PS> 'Tisn't what I heard, but my source was no more authoritative than T.
PS> Clancy. I bow to your superior experience.
Tom may have me on the types of torps carried by helos; but not
in this instance.
ML> That it does. It seems Jimbozo's family tree is suffering some
ML> form of Dutch Idiocy Disease.
PS> A damn shame, that.
ML> Indeed, that it brings forth blooming idiots is also a shame.
PS> It's a problem with natural selection. Things that screwed up still
PS> reproducing is a strain on the environment.
Evolution may be slow, but it's remorselessly efficient. Give it some time.
... Alas poor Yorik..what an asshole.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:11:13
EID:0557 20446960
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "talking critters"
ML> How about quipu?
PS> And the Spanish conquistadores burned most of them, thinking them to
PS> be devices of the Devil. Ignorant fucks.
ML> Well, they WERE Christians, were they not?
PS> Ah, the joys of an education in history.
Ah, the joys of education.
... One hour of instruction - and 100 hours on how to get around it.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Math anxiety, ñ 3%.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:11:54
EID:d2f8 20446960
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Math anxiety, ñ
PS> 3%."
PS> And you'll throw differential equations at me, won't you?
ML> Nahhhh...I'll just _integrate_ them into the program.
PS>
Yep...one could say that I'm _partial_ to calculus...
... Aftermath [n], The period following algebra.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: White-lightning Religions
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:12:46
EID:5750 20446980
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "White-lightning
PS> Religions"
PS> Nope. I absorb all the moisture I need from eucalyptis leaves. It's
a
PS> koala thing.
ML> How marsupial of you (I'll probably get pouched in the nose for
ML> that one...)
PS> No, I'll aim for the joeys.
No wonder your always seen wallabying around...
PS> Or dead. I think I'm allergic to alcohol.
ML> Gad...that's like being allergic to air...
PS> Perhaps. Add into that the fact that my father's got a bit of a
PS> drinking problem and it all comes out to me being an avowed teetotaler,
PS> regardless of my apparent physiological difficulties with alcohol.
In all seriousness , I respect your choice. In fact, I
toast to it!
PS> Nah. Twinkies have enough preservatives to mummify the living. But at
PS> least you know one of the more important reasons behind my
PS> teetotalism.
ML> At least it's not a "free-will" decision...
PS> Only partially. Once burned, forever shy. But I'm perfectly
PS> happy without the stuff.
Me too. I gave it up once.
Worst 6 hours of my life...
... "Look at the BONES!" - Tim the Enchanter
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: WHY
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:15:07
EID:1653 204469e0
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "WHY"
PS> Just like little Smurfs, they are.
ML> I root for Gargamel.
PS> And his cat. It's as much fun as watching a Tarzan movie and rooting
PS> for the crocs, or seeing Star Wars movies and rooting for the Empire.
I always like the old caveman/dinosaur movies. I ALWAYS root
for the archosaurs.
... Praying for faith seems to me to be a lot like studying for ignorance.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:15:41
EID:5227 204469e0
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "A LITTLE HELP
PS> FROM SP"
ML> Especially after a pizza and kegger party.
PS> I don't wanna think about it.
ML> Hey. That's how I survived college...
PS> I've been surviving on caffeine, sugar rushes, quasi-legal stimulants,
PS> and a kind of stubborn energy.
The four basic food groups then seemed to be beer, coffee,
pizza and the occasional care package from home.
... Fundamentalism: Give up reality, get you own personal savior.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:15:54
EID:0b92 204471e0
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Staal shows he's
PS> colored"
ML> Or, in Jimbozo's case; the no-noodle pot.
PS> "What? Huh?!"
ML> Noodle, as in "Use your noodle"; ancient retroslang for gray
ML> matter.
ML>
PS> *I*'m not *that* stupid. (sheesh, there goes that assuming that
PS> everyone's an idiot again.)
Sorry. Old habits and all that...
PS> At least you can eat the catfish.
ML> And lamperys cull the weak.
PS> But there just isn't much to say about the lawyers.
That hasn't already been said about sucking chest wounds.
... "The power of the force stopped you, you hosers!" - Doug Mackenzie
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:17:58
EID:b866 20446a20
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "2 SO, WHY GOD?"
PS> True, but the people in question tend to be offended if I'm correct,
ML> Just tell them that you're offended by their idiocy.
PS> "I resent that!"
PS> "I resent your breathing. So?"
"You breathin' my air, boy?"
PS> as I will then avoid them or (as actually happened in one of my
PS> classes a couple of semesters ago), go out of my way to show
PS> *everyone* how idiotic they are.
ML> HolySmoke...the board game.
PS> It wasn't much. Someone decided to make an outrageous claim in class
PS> and I asked rather casually, "What evidence do you have of that?" The
PS> class was silent. The teacher got an amused look on his face and
PS> repeated the question for me. The person who'd made the claim got a
PS> very flustered look on his face, and it was all I could do to keep from
PS> laughing at him.
That's great...HolySmokisms in real life.
Did he counter with "Can you prove it didn't?"
... If "War is Hell", I know of a lot of people who ought to go to war.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: more Dan A. Post
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:19:15
EID:b21e 20446a60
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "more Dan A. Post"
SW> 9. earthquakes in divers places,
PS> These also have been common throughout history. What makes you think
PS> that they are increasing in frequency?
ML> These "earthquakes in divers places" are very common.
ML> Especially near subduction zones.
PS> I'm not sure Stevie would get the joke.
It's very deep...
... If he wasn't such an asshole, he'd have no personality at all.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Homocrystal sextants.
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:19:35
EID:ed85 20446a60
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Homocrystal
PS> sextants."
PS> It could be worse. If he were acute, he'd be that much more focused
on
PS> being a fool.
ML> Odd how one can be so obtuse and such an acute annoyance.
PS> It's a mystery of non-Euclidean geometry.
Cartesian, as well. "He doesn't think, yet still is."
Curious.
ML> Egads.
PS> 'Swounds.
God's hooks!
ML> It's "Contradiction Man! The Walking Clusterfuck!"
PS> ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
PS> Is that possible?
Walk, roll, ooze...whatever the locomotion function.
... "Fuck this!", noted Pooh, being the brunt of vicious taglines.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:21:02
EID:9277 20446aa0
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "#holysmoke"
PS> I've managed to get Netscape to work from home, and I've heard that
PS> there are plug-ins for it that will act as IRC servers.
ML> AOL says that if I do many different and probably illicit
ML> things, I can maybe, possibly get IRC. Fuquhume. I'll wait
ML> until I get back and go with the SLP server I ordered.
PS> Probably a good idea.
Looks slightly foreboding. We'll see...
PS> But then, a friend of mine may be getting to set up a local server for
PS> his family's company (ever hear of Dinstuhl's?),
ML> No. But I've heard of Dinsdale.
PS> I'm not surprised. Dinstuhl's is a chocolate company. Good stuff,
PS> though probably not as good as Godiva.
Chocolate? Phyuck. Can't tolerate the stuff. Although Schiphol
Airport must sell it by the metric tonne given the number of
kiosks dealing the stuff.
ML> If it's free, it's a Noah count.
PS> Here we go again. TANSTAAFL.
PS> What kind of questions do you ask?
ML> Questions like: "If a person's behaving like a total asshole,
ML> why the fuck can't I point it out to that asshole his
ML> assholism?"
PS> Ever eloquent.
As always.
ML> Reply: "Well. Now that's not nice. Besides, maybe you haven't
ML> heard the Word of God today like he has..."
PS> Urgggh.
The rollers have taken over. It's a case of deceptive trade
practices, if you ask me. If I pay for a service, I do not
expect it to be censored; particularly if it's not spelled out
as such in the contract. I'm still waiting to hear their reply
to that accusation.
... Errata: "In the beginning" should read "Catch this shit..."
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Jesus said "EAT ME!"
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:24:12
EID:0127 20446b00
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Marty Leipzig:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Marty Leipzig mumbled "Jesus said "EAT
PS> ME!""
PS> Bah, humbug.
ML> "Baby you can drive my car"?
PS> Humbug, I say. *Nobody* but me can drive my car.
ML> Barf on vinyl.
PS> Well, at least it won't stick or stain.
Blattellidae barf.
ML> Nixon?
PS> Now *there* was an amusing president.
ML> "I am NOT a crook...
ML> Buy my book."
PS> I just don't trust him. He's dead, and I *still* don't trust him.
"This just in. Richard Nixon is still dead...."
... Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:25:15
EID:c533 20446b20
Judith Bandsma, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> Oranjeboom. Which Genever do you like better...oude or jonge?
ML> Ummmm...The dark one...?
JB>
JB> The dark as in yellowish brown (oude)? Or the dark as in purplish
JB> black? If the latter, then what you are getting is probably Beerenburg,
JB> which is a Frisian 'type' of Genever with a lot of herbs.
The latter. Quite good, in an herbal sort of strange way.
JB> Goes well
JB> with the Frisian cheese flavored with sheep shit.
I'll have to take your word for that...
... "Geez, Tolkien couldn't follow this plot!" -Crow, "Cave Dwellers"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: You can lead a horse to
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:26:33
EID:e93c 20446b40
DAVID RICE, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to MARTY
LEIPZIG:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Martin Goldberg <=-
ML> But, then again, you do like haggis...
DR> What's there NOT to like about haggis?
What's there NOT to like about fundies?
... Everything in excess! Moderation is for monks.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:30:54
EID:67eb 20446bc0
David Worrell, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Coridon Henshaw:
DW> 31 Jan 96 00:03, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Marty Leipzig:
ML>>> Although I am loathe to admit, I do have an active AOL
ML>>> account
ML>>> (for business reasons).
CH> That's what they all say.
DW> I bet he claims to get Hustler for the articles, too.
And you drink scotch for the taste.
... ***ERROR***GOSUBS NESTED 20 DEEP*** What next, asshole?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:31:25
EID:67eb 20446be0
David Worrell, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Marty Leipzig:
DW> 01 Feb 96 14:22, Marty Leipzig wrote to Coridon Henshaw:
ML> Winsock.dll, and a program called mIRC, configure it correctly
ML> Piss on that. I'm getting my own SLP account and Netscape; and
ML> telling AOL to preform certain calisthenic stunts which have
ML> to do with toroidal pastries locomoting down gravel roads.
DW> Get mIRC, too. It is the best IRC client that I've seen, and it is
DW> free. You can use it with your SLIP account.
I've got both and am trying to configure the bastards.
DW> Netscape's IRC client
DW> blows (and it drinks bourbon, but I don't guess you'd mind that part).
As long as it's buying.
... Money maker #5: Walk into a Radio Shack and type in "Format C:"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 04 Feb 96 13:47:42
EID:c05a 20446de0
Judith Bandsma, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Lynda Bustilloz:
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Christian Miller <=-
LB> Have you ever tried to get a bunch of carnivorous animals to fast --
LB> for months -- while in close proximity to their primary food source?
JB> He should come around here on a day when feeding time is late. I
JB> was late with the dog food yesterday morning by about 15 minutes. Rosie
JB> hit me in the butt with her paw for it. Imagine getting hit by
JB> something the size of a canoe paddle with 5 blunt nails in the end of
JB> it. I got bruises.
As your post is somewhat canine related, I thought I'd tell you
of our new addition. Lady McBeast, our pet Neapolitan Mastiff
of these last 9 years, went to the happy hunting grounds late
last year (aided by a brown recluse spider). My daughters were
inconsolable, and with my new job taking me out of the country
for longish periods of time, we decided that a new puppy was
not in the works for some time. I was wrong.
We were on the receiving end of some questionable good works by
way of my Russian colleagues and were presented with the hugest
pawed puppy I've ever seen. Our new family addition: a 105
pound, 5 month old Russian Wolfhound puppy dubbed "Ivan the
Tolerable" (i.e., he hasn't eaten the furniture yet).
The kids love this monster and he's bonded with them like a
barnacle onto a rock. He's the favorite greeter of pizza
delivery men, the postman; and fundys who mistakenly knock
on our door.
... Duplicate file name or file not found - Not sure which
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:04:57
EID:0823 20447080
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Katherine Wintersnight:
PS> In Chicago, I've heard that they've a problem with people stealing
PS> aluminum light poles to sell to recycling centers. It's a damn shame
PS> that so many of 'em get electrocuted.
Here in Houston, they've been stealing the machined brass
innards out of fire hydrants and unloading them at recycling
centers (scrap yards). A local 4'th ward neighboorhood went to ashes
because, well, gosh, golly gee, that there hydrant don't work...
... Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned...
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 04 Feb 96 14:07:26
EID:ba65 204470e0
Preston Simpson, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Katherine Wintersnight:
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "Re:
PS> Abortion"
KW> Well, I should have taken a moment to glance at the time span on C14
KW> while I had the book open myself. You are hereby sentenced to the
KW> consumption of a pound of good chocolate for your heedless mistake.
PS> As I have a friend who is heir to a chocolate business, this will not
PS> at all be expensive.
It's...not...the...Whizzo...Chocolate...Company...is...it?
... Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off...this creeping malaise...
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 05 Feb 96 05:45:19
EID:46b6 20452da0
Martin Goldberg, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said
to Roland:
R> But scientist have proven that there was 65 million years
R> between the death of the dinosaurs and the beginning of
R> man.... Did God create dinosaurs at the same time as man? Or
R> did God create dinosaurs before that, perhaps as his first try
R> at a living world..then realize that the dinosaurs were
R> incapable of worshiping him and destroy them...Then 65
R> million years later create man.
MG> Since the appearqnce of the fossilized remains of humanoids and
MG> ddinosaurs are about 65 million years or more apart, one would assume
MG> that they never lived side by side.
The amazing thing about all this is that the creationist
lunkheads fail to grasp that if a _Homo sapiens_ was ever found
cheek-by-jowl with a _Carnotaurus bataar_, evolution would be
immediately falsified. That's one of the many hallmarks of
science, that it IS falsifiable.
Now, let them present a scenario, any scenario, that would or
could falsify creation by their all powerful neighborhood
creator.
Guess what? Can't be done. Therefore, QED, creation,
creationism and any reference to a creator is religious and not
scientific.
MG> Your god created nothing. All life forms ont he earth today are the
MG> product of evolution.
Well, there's that too...
... "What god wants - god gets; god help us all" -Pink Floyd
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 05 Feb 96 05:57:06
EID:9f77 20452f20
Andrew Masten, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to
Karen Davis:
-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Andrew Masten <=-
KD> Hypotheses deal with evidence, not "proof."
AM> True, but its still considered science.
AM> I don't call my belief in creationism science, I call it dogma. I call
AM> belief
AM> in evolution dogma also. The scientific eveidence is not all
AM> overwhelmingly
AM> in favor of evolution, you just like to believe it is. Moreover that
is
AM> the
AM> very type of theory that cannot be verified or disproven.
KD> There is no evidence against evolution.
AM> Yes there is.
Present this evidence.
I say your blowing a vast amount of hot air here, so back up
your allegations with evidence.
Or are you merely a Trent Hall clone who's references are in a
shoe box in some other room?
I'm calling you on this one, Andy. Put up or shut up.
... 11th Rule of Creationism: Never let facts influence your faith.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:24:24
EID:8c17 20454300
Dan Ceppa, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to Marty
Leipzig:
-> On 02-01-96 05:27, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Better yet, make him drink it....
ML> You will...
DC> Sounds ominous....
Not ominous, just foamy.
DC> Net mail on the way. Let me know if you didn't recieve it. Fido
DC> BTW, I do appreciate the offer!
ML> Got the netmail and package is away!
DC> Do I need to have the bomb squad check it out first?
Nope. Make them buy their own.
DC> Thanks again, and glad to see the Netmail sorta works. Let
DC> you know what I _really_ think of it when the area has been
DC> approved. (Though, from your description, they'll SAY it
DC> was dangerous and check it out too closely!)
DC> And, if it is good, I may even take the time to edit my tag file
DC> and correct the spelling on you name!
"You name"? The ghost of Glodbreg strikes again.
... Cross-posted from alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: CHRISTOGOGNY
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:25:59
EID:6231 20454320
Dan Ceppa, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to Marty
Leipzig:
-> On 02-01-96 17:55, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> They are Stalled in the anti-evolution pattern and don't
ML> Evolutionary U-turns seldom do.
DC> They are not just a U-turn, but a rock trying to swim.
ML> Even pumice can do that. Jimbozo lacks the acumen of that
ML> volcanic effusive.
DC> You do have to admit that he does spew far more than his
DC> share of SO2...
Noxious gashole.
DC> to move out of the the city of Wyoming and into the state
DC> Have you noticed that Staaled says he never heard of the place,
DC> and then said he used to live there? Well, one of his "personalities"
ML> Like cards in a deck, all marked.
DC>
DC> In his case, his deck is short, by at least 52 cards. The only
DC> one(s) he has left is the Jokers. And, in that regard, it can
DC> only be the Off Joker.
Not any more. He claims to be taking a powder. Let's see if he
takes his idiot Lump with him.
ML> there, they could boast an "Idiot Tower" as well.
DC> Well, they'll probably just place it in a local sewage treatment
ML> They'd call Michigan and demand payment for toxic waste
ML> disposal.
DC> LOL! In that case, there isn't a locality anywhere on this
DC> planet that will take him. He best get in touch with Bartoo!
They're probably one and the same.
... New improved Comet. Removes tough stains and oversized reptiles.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Sheeit! Get Ice-creamed!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:27:10
EID:668a 20454360
Dan Ceppa, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to Marty
Leipzig:
-> On 02-01-96 14:06, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> and just a touch of pure cane.
DC> That's pretty tough to find nowadays... Got a brand name?
ML> C & H. In supermarkets mostly everywhere.
DC>
DC> You sure?
Yep. Right outside of Katy (Tx) is a burg called Sugarland.
Them ain't beets them trucks is hauling...
DC> Most sugar I've seen is from sugar beets. In fact, that's
DC> one of the key ingredients missing from the "new" Classic Coke.
Another in the long line of reasons to drink beer.
DC> No, I'm God Dan, and, yes, I viewed far too many _Police Squad_
ML> Tonight's Episode: The Disappearing Witness (pronounced: Blood
ML> on the Wheel).
DC> Should be: Blood on the Gloves, with Norbert as the prime
DC> suspect....
Those gloves don't fit...
ML> Siberia, don'tchaknow...
DC> Kamchatka, with 3 armies...
ML> I'm headed there again come 2/7. Watch for more Tales from the
ML> Warped Side come mid-March.
DC> Be looking forward to it. Don't forget your long johns on
DC> this trip, though...
Damned straight. Talked to the good folks at Novyy Urengoy
yesterday and it was a balmy -64C there. That's brisk even by
this displaced Cheezehead's standards.
... Fundamentalism: The sagacity of Bozo and the wit of Hitler.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:30:20
EID:c72e 204543c0
Dan Ceppa, while chasing after lingerie, was given the slip, said to Marty
Leipzig:
-> On 02-01-96 14:09, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> tequila and jalapeno ice cream...)
DC> Should you require it, I've got a recipe for an ice cream topping
DC> made with garlic.
ML> "There's always room for garlic."
DC> An, no, I'm not putting you on!
ML> Of course not. I'm way too big.
DC> Well, wait 'till tomorrow, I'm fresh out of milk crates...
Jimbo's having a fire sale of sorts it seems...
DC> MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v7.04
DC> Title: Garlic Praline Sauce For Ice Cream MCategories: Sauce,
[vasectomy style snip]
DC> or cold over either vanilla or butter pecan MMMMM
Gotta give this one a try. Did you get the ice/ice cream
recipes?
... Garlic is to salad what insanity is to art.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:25:35
EID:7109 20454320
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115bf52
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 613a85f2
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Gwenny:
GtP>> It tastes KINDA like meatloaf if you made it with ALOT of oats
GtP>> and left out the ketchup. Not bad, kinda bland....will NEVER
GtP>> take the place of a nice almost raw hunk of beef.
JJH> Ah... that reminds me of something. I'm about to put a roast in the
JJH> oven. When I bought it I had no intention of buying a roast. I
JJH> didn't even go to the store with the intention of buying meat.
Ymmmmm, don't cook it TOO much. As a friend used to say, cut off it's horns,
wipe it's ass and serve it.
JJH> You know you're a hopeless case when you buy a cut of meat simply
JJH> because the price tag says $6.66.
Yep, I'd do that.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Remember, even if you win the rat race- you're still a rat.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: paul
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:41:30
EID:8a38 20454520
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c2d6
REPLY: Fidonet#1:380/16 310ac233
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Hector!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Hector say to Gwenny:
GtP>>>>> Not according to his own words. Acts 22:27-28
MH>>> Did you not get my post on that? According to Paul's statements
MH>>> recorded in Acts
HP> Just a note -- Saul's "own words" don't appear in Acts -- it was written
HP> much later than Saul's letters by someone else who didn't sign his work.
That's right...although, isn't Acts usually attributed to Luke??
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Satanista, no! Pindeho, s
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:42:21
EID:2484 20454540
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c30b
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 1b065d1a
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Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Katherine say to Gwenny:
GTP>A>>> An it harm no one who does not deserve it, do what ye will.ÿ
GTP>JJH>> I love how you pinkydinks can't quote Crowley's "Law" without
GTP>JJH>> adding some sort of qualifier. All it really demonstrates is that
GTP>JJH>> you have no idea whatsoever as to what he meant by "Will".
GTP>JJH>> You want to distance yourselves from Crowley's notoriety, but
GTP>JJH>> you're not above stealing liberally from his ideas.
GTP>> I thought "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
KW> My version reads: 'An it harm none, Do what thou wilt be the whole of
KW> the law. Love is the law, love under will.' Does anyone have the exact
KW> wording of Crowley's 'Law'?
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Who's your tailor? Mandelbrot? --Cadigan.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:42:56
EID:e4fd 20454540
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c38e
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org ae468483
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Katherine!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Katherine say to Gwenny:
GTP>KW>> gods crap, and then told me I would make a *good* Mormon. We still
GTP>KW>> get along mostly because we came to an understanding that if she
GTP>KW>> EVER gave my name to their missionaries again, I would put her
name
GTP>KW>> on every New Age, Pagan, and 7th Day Adventist mailing list I could
GTP>KW>> find.
GTP>> I should have realized that I wasn't REALLY cut out to be a Moron
when
GTP>> I would never give the missionaries the names of my REAL friends.
KW> She was in a hurry that day, so she just handed them her address book.
KW> She has come to regret that.
YIKES!!! Those missionaries are worst than MCI Friends and Family.
KW> I'm not the only one of her friends (or her family) that threw a fit.
KW> It didn't help matters that the blighted missionaries showed up the
KW> day after I had a miscarriage. Bear dragged me
KW> out of the room and tenderly escorted the boys off the property.
KW> Looking back on it, I was probably just a little rough on them.
Nothing they didn't deserve.
KW> I
KW> guess good Mormon women don't light into their men that way.
Not in public, anyway. Family life isn't always the peaches and light they'd
like you to think.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I say we nuke the site from Orbit, it's the only way to be sure
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: promise keepers
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:46:03
EID:450f 204545c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c3ee
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TID: FastEcho 1.45 8271
Heilsa, Michael!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Michael say to Gwenny:
GTP>> He neglected that part about "reclaiming their rightful place as head
GTP>> of the household" which involves "freeing" their wives from any dirty
GTP>> nasty feminist ideas about women having rights.
MH> Probably because that's your imagination working overtime rather than
MH> anything Promise Keepers stands for.
Then they lied to the newspapers covering their big wingding in Denver.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Pass the salt and pepper, I'm about to dine on verbage.
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: rites of passage
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:46:48
EID:8aa1 204545c0
MSGID: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c44c
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Heilsa, Mark!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Mark say to Gwenny:
MH> Men have quirks that confuse you, and other women? Do tell.
Yeppers. Like how they can tell what you want done most so that they can
not do it.
GtP>> Good. Question everything.
MH> Reminds me of a mathematical axiom.
Actually, it's the chant of most of the Wiccan HPSs I know.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... If life's a bitch, who's that lying in your bed?
--- GoldED/386 2.50+ 164LM1
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Baking bread
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:48:28
EID:f77b 20454600
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Heilsa, Dan!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Dan say to Gwenny:
GTP>> Well, we still have part of a mini keg of home brew in the fridge,
so
GTP>> we don't need so stinking pastuerized stuff from the store. And I
DC> I'm going to have to look into that one of these days. Sounds like
DC> a fun thing to do. My Dad used to make wine. One of his rubbarb
DC> wines was nice and smooth, and not overly sweet...
Oh, rhubbarb wine sounds nice. You wouldn't have a recipe, would you??
DC> One of the guys at work brought in "The World's Hottest Salsa".
DC> Too bad it didn't live up to its name. The hot food affianados(?)
DC> found it very mild. It did, however, have a great taste...
I'm not a fan of hot things....but the rest of the family is. Makes cooking
chili and things like that interesting. Sometimes I just give up and cook
it for them, then eat something else.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Mine eyes have seen the blueshift of the coming of the Lord...
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:50:15
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Heilsa, Linda!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
Linda say to Gwenny:
GtP>> religion. Wiccans have god/desses and spirit guides, but few mess
GtP>> with angels. ACKKKK! Then there's us Asatru....the closest thing
we
GtP>> have to angels are the Valkyries. Angels are wimps. Brass-brad women
GtP>> with huge swords RULE!!
LW> Gimme a Valkyrie any day o'the week!!!
Oh, oh...found new book...AWESOME...called _The Raven and the Wolf_ by Diana
Paxston.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... I'm a licenced psychopathic spellchecker, so NYAAH!
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|From: Gwenny the Pooh
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 05 Feb 96 08:52:56
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Heilsa, J.J.!
While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh heard
J.J. say to Gwenny:
GtP>> ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping folk
GtP>> of the Middle East were living in cities with paved
GtP>> streets, knew how to work metal and had writing when the
GtP>> progenitors of patriarchal monotheism were still nomads.
GtP>> Not only that, but they were enlightened enough that women
GtP>> ruled and sex was not evil. SO THERE!!
JJH> You have a source for this claim?
JJH> Let me guess... The Wymyns Encyclopedia of Revisionist History.
Oh, sorry, I was using a piece of researched literature. I'll go back to
using the one true book of Middle East history...the Bible.
Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
Gwenny
... Second Coming: When Mom sends Jesus back to take out the trash.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Dan's in...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:01:57
EID:eab3 20441820
}:> An lo Jim did give unto Norbert a parable on Dan's in... <:(
NS> Born in Traverse City, raised in Saginaw, escaped to California...
JS> No kiddin'. YOu should have hung out. It is beautiful this time of
JS> year...chrunchy snow from the subzero temps, the smoke fromthe
JS> chimneys going straight up, the unusual light auras created by the
JS> crystalizing vapor particles...
Frostbite, getting stuck in a snowdrift, salt on the roads eating out
the undersides of the cars, constant cold and flu seasons, heart
attacks from shoveling snow, etc. I have pictures of snow. They do me
just fine...};)
... "It's a Eunuchs' program"? No, I want something _I_ can use...
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Re: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:05:19
EID:c309 204418a0
}:> An lo Luke did give unto Norbert a parable on Re: Hurry! Hurry! <:(
As> And what shit might that be? What great devices would I require to
As> send an assault on such a weakling as yourself?
NS> A brain, Mr. Tinman...
LC> Scarecrow wanted a brain.Tinman wanted a heart.
Yup, I ate it on that one. At three in the morning, I guess I'm lucky
if I can remember my name. Thanx. (You know, though, I keep thinking
to myself: Self, that tinman had an empty can for a head, whereas the
scarecrow had a sack head, but it was filled with something, at any
rate......I'd still like to see the tinman fill his head with
_something_!)
... The ballot is stronger than the bullet. -- Abraham Lincoln
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:21:47
EID:71bc 20441aa0
}:> An lo Jim did give unto Lynda a parable on A tale of 2 cities... <:(
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
JS> The Bible is indeed inerrant. Apparently what God calls bats are not
JS> what man calls bats, because as the Bible says, the things God calls
JS> bats, He also calls birds.
I see...next you'll be saying that God likes to swing birds at
baseballs, which is why he included them in with the bat. What I don't
understand is how people that believe such as that keep the wind from
whistling through the holes in their heads...
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your speculum superior."
?
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: A Visit 1/4
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:27:40
EID:e86e 20441b60
}:> An lo J.J. did give unto Sue a parable on A Visit 1/4 <:(
JH> Date: Mon Dec 25 1995 01:10:24
JH> From: Janet Tyler of 1:106/9788
JH> To: All of 1:30873/2
JH> Subj: A visit 1/4
Damn! J.J., I was reading along, enjoying this immensely, and when I
went to go to the next post in the series, found out that this was the
only one to make it. Any chance of you reposting all four? I hate not
knowing how a funny story ends...
... Be kindly random and commit beautiful acts of senselessness.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Luke Clark
|Sub: Re: Ankerberg
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:34:23
EID:a025 20441c40
}:> An lo Luke did give unto Jim a parable on Re: Ankerberg <:(
KW> There are Pagan Masons.
JS> According to John Ankerberg, all of 'em are...
LC> Jim, don't believe everything people tell you.
LC> Especially when it comes to secret societies.
I agree with Luke. Masons may seem to be Pagan to fundies, but to a
Pagan (such as myself) who knows that to get to the top of our local
Masonic Lodge one has to embrace Xtian ideals, dogma, and practices,
Masons look an awful lot like Xtianity thinly disguised. Of course,
I feel the same way about most of the 12-step programs, etc., too...
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your spatula superior."
?
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:47:03
EID:dc74 20441de0
}:> An lo Preston did give unto David a parable on God's Word... <:(
PS> ... It is all the same nonsense when you work for a lunatic.
Another fan of the Royal House of Sinanju? Glad to see it...I even stole
the tag line.
... Any religion that rejects coffee worships a false god.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: I've found a Real, True Xtian
|Date: 04 Feb 96 03:56:28
EID:0c4a 20441f00
}:> An lo David did give unto Michael a parable
on I've found a Real, True Xtian <:(
KD>> This program is shareware. You may use this demo copy for 30 days,
KD>> after that it must be registered. See the included regwr.wri for
LW> I didn't ask you to make up your own version. It must be registered
LW> if I want the fully operational version. I don't! ^^^^
DW> Does it make you proud to freely associate with theives, liars, and
DW> other such dipshits?
And why not? Jesus did, didn't he? };)
NS
... Words are the most powerful drug used by mankind. -- Kipling
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:36:43
EID:6e6b 20443c80
}:> An lo Brad did give unto All a parable on One God not three <:(
BJ> Greetings!
I bet you're going to say next: "We come in peace..."
BJ> There is only One God, Not three!
And his name is One God? How about Two God, Infinite God, or Negative
Number God?
BJ> Jesus is God! He dwelt amoung us in the Flesh!
Please, I just ate. You know anything about Jesus's sex life, keep it
to yourself.
BJ> Please follow along with some of these verses.
Let's sing along kids...following the bouncing head of John the Baptist...
BJ> Isa. 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom
BJ> I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that
BJ> I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be
BJ> after me.
Etc........................
Oh really? Let's look at some of the Gods mentioned in the Bible:
Adrammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Anammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Ashima II Kings 17:30 Samaritan Moon Goddess.
Ashtoreth I Kings 11:05 Canaanite Goddess.
Baal I Kings 18:19 Canaanite God ("Lord") of
fertility, vegitation, and storms.
Baal-berith Judges 8:33 A regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baal-peor Numbers 25:03 Moabite regional variation/aspect of
Baal.
Baal-zebub Luke 11:19 Philistine/Ekronian regional
variation/aspect of Baal.
Baalim I Kings 18:18 Canaanite Gods ("Lords"), a
collective of the different
aspects of Baa.
Bel Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Sumerian God
("Lord").
Chemosh I Kings 11:07 Moabite war God.
Dagon I Samuel 05:02 Philistine/Ekronian/Babylonian God
of agriculture.
Diana of the
Ephesians Acts 19:35 Ephesian moon and nature Goddess,
("Divine/Brilliant").
Jehovah Exodus 6:03 Hebrew God
Jupiter Acts 14:12 Roman God (possibly derived from
'Zeus-pater', Father Zeus).
Lucifer Isiah 14:12 ("Light-Bearer")
Mercurius Acts 14:12 Otherwise known as the Roman God
Mercury, God of communication and
travel, and messenger of the
Gods...which is probably why Paul
was called this at Lystra.
Milcom I Kings 11:05 Ammonite God
Molech I Kings 11:07 Ammonite God, also called Moloch,
most probably Baal-Hammon of
Carthage.
Nebo Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Chaldean God of
wisdom and writing, also called
Nabu.
Nergal II Kings 17:30 Cuth/Assyrian/Babylonian war and
underworld God, also called
Meshlamthea.
Nibhaz II Kings 17:31 Avites God
Nisroch II Kings 19:37 Assyrian God
Rimmon II Kings 05:18 Babylonian/Syrian storm God
involved (as Ramman) with the
Deluge, according to Hebrew texts;
also known as Ramman/Rammon.
Succoth-benoth II Kings 17:30 Babylonian fertility Goddess ("She
Who Produces Seed"), also known as
Zarpanitu/Zerpanitum.
Tammuz Ezekial 8:14 Assyrian/Babylonian God
Tartak II Kings 17:31 Avites God
Please note that I'm not referring to any Deities not mentioned by
name (for instance, the golden calf is not here). only alluded to, or
ones I was just too tired to look up. };) I believe this gives us
enough to work with. As you can see, it cleanly refutes your argument
that Jehovah/Yahweh was the only God. That it does so in the
'supposed' word of God is a bonus.
BJ> Don't take my word for this, please read your own bible to find
BJ> out the truth!
Good advice, I took it, and I'm glad I did...};)
BJ> Believe only in God's Word!
Which word was that? And which God?
NS
... "Amazing what caffeine and no sense of self-preservation can do..."
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Update
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:46:54
EID:6a3b 20443dc0
}:> An lo J.J. did give unto Asmodeus a parable on Update <:(
JH> Today is Day TWENTY THREE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
JH> Nothing happened.
JH> It is also Day ELEVEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
JH> Nothing happened with this one either.
JH> You have only TWELVE days left in order to destroy me
JH> with your "magick" in order to fulfill the conditions of
JH> Curse Number Three.
JH> Why is this taking so damned long?
Maybe THAT'S the curse? That it takes fucking forever for it to
happen? The curse of boredom, how insidious...
NS
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your mother superior." ?
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 04 Feb 96 07:53:02
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}:> An lo Katherine did give unto J.j. a parable on WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
<:(
KW> Based on my experience, over 70% of the Wiccans that I have met were
KW> over 30 years old. A good 15% or so were older than 45. One was a
KW> man in his 60's.
I have to concurr. Most of the Wiccans I know are (at the youngest) late
20s up through 55 or so. The median seems to be about 35-45 years of age.
And most of the ones I know didn't become Wiccan until they passed 30.
Don't know how relevant this's going to be. I find, too, that of the
other Pagans, most of the NeoPagans/New Age folk are about late 20s,
whereas the Asatru/Runic folk seem to be early to mid 20s, or even
younger. Setians and Satanists I find to be younger still when they
start, though again they have a wide age range. I find there's a
correlation in my experience between ages in Paganism and ages in
escapist dogmas, like the SCA.
... ASTROLOGY LAW: It's always the wrong time of the month.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: bang
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:37
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "bang"
PS>Why couldn't the materials for the Bang have always been there? Why
PS>your god special?
RM> The way I see it Preston is that a living being existing and being
RM> an always has-been is quite a bit to marvel at... Also if you have a
So? Emotional goo isn't science.
RM> "thing" or an "object" then there has to be a designer. A creator or
Bullshit. On what extremely questionable grounds do you base this laughable
claim? Have you observed everything in the universe? Can you show with
near-absolute certainty that the chain of cause-and-effect cannot be
infinite and exists everywhere?
PS>Seeing as how the Freemasons are rather secretive about what it is
PS>do and what exactly they believe, where are you getting your inform
RM> There *are* those that used to be Freemasons and though they made a
RM> vow in the brotherhood those vows can be broken when they leave the
RM> brotherhood. (I don't say this in respect to the freemasonry's law.)
And how many have done this recently?
RM> would be accurate? I don't know myself since I don't know the
RM> authors... Are you a Freemason? BTW: I don't know the secret
RM> handshake... <
What a ridiculous question. No, I'm not a Freemason.
PS>If there were a designer, he was a sloppy one. One has only to look
PS>male and female human reproductive systems for evidence of that.
RM> Can you explain?
The body temperature of the human testes must be lower than the rest of
the body's temperature, or else the sperm contained therein will die.
Male genitalia are entirely too easy to damage.
As for female reproductive organs, I invite you to cast a gander at the
system which is so poorly designed that one-third to one-half of all
pregnancies terminate in spontaneous abortion (that's miscarriage to
us laymen). When the flaws of both are taken together, it is evident
that the design, if any, is poor--exactly what one might expect from an
unintelligent mechanism that is interested only in getting the job done,
not in getting it done efficiently.
A sentient designer would have done a better job, no? And a sentient
designer would have made sure that his work couldn't be corrupted easily
by external influences, especially if said designer were omnipotent. But
that isn't what we see. What we see is an inefficient design that doesn't
always work.
PS>I ask again, with more emphasis: What the fuck does an infant do th
PS>it worthy of death?
PS>What do babies do that makes them worthy of killing, Richard? Do ba
PS>kill? Do they steal? Do they rape? Do they worship false gods?
RM> So, are you PRO-LIFE?
Stop trying to dodge the question, coward.
RM> To answer your question as well, I don't know... I challenge the
RM> comment presented that assumed they were innocent... Me, I don't know.
Why should we assume otherwise? I ask again: What does a small child do
that makes it worthy of death? Why is God so horribly threatened by kids
that he saw fit to slay so many of them?
PS>That's no answer. It's always been easier for people to believe in
PS>gods, demons, and other unevidenced entities than it has been for t
PS>to accept the evidence.
RM> I think you are forgetting there is evidence, some presented here, on
RM> both sides of this arguable issue. What you choose to accept and what
Unfortunately for you, the evidence in support for creationism is thin
and sorely lacking.
RM> Creator/God. That's my point here. You don't have to believe it but
RM> you also cannot conclusively distinguish those that do as being wrong
RM> absolutely.
Have I? I've freely admitted the possibility that creationism explains
how we got here. But I have also stipulated that I find it highly
improbable and regard people who teach it as fact as being intellectually
dishonest.
PS>Why insist that there had to be a creator? Why not accept that we'r
PS>and get on with our lives?
RM> I'm actually getting on with my life as well as my family. You must
RM> think that being a Christian amounts to being in Jail or something.
Must I? What would lead you to that conclusion?
PS>And you have no evidence of eternal life or a second death.
RM> I can't say that I do save for the Bible presenting it and I believe
RM> the Bible has been substantiated as being Scripture. You may not and
Scripture is scripture, not necessarily fact.
RM> that's ok but that *is* where I draw those conclusions. Once the Bible
RM> is substantiated then what's in it must be as well.
Then you'll be waiting a long time. Some of the claims made by the Bible
are
indefensible as they conspicuously lack evidence.
... DM Advice: Used character sheets make good tinder.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Religious Freedom
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:37
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "Religious Freedom"
SA>The pilgrims that founded this nation were fleeing FROM
SA>religious persecution - not fleeing WITH it.
RM> Weren't they fleeing for the right to worship God in their own way?
If you'll read more carefully, you'll notice that that's what Sue said.
... "The problem with people is that they're only human." Hobbes
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:37
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Shelby Sherman mumbled "Jim Staal"
DW> The invitation to Knoxville is still open, though, Jimbob - if you
DW> ever grow the balls to make good on your pathetic blustering.
SS> I wouldn't blame anyone for not coming to Knoxville. Have they
SS> finished that construction on the Interstate yet?
Shelby, do you think it might be possible for the three of us to get
together during Memphis in May if David comes to town?
... Line noise provided by South Central Bell!
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:37
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, AL SCHROEDER mumbled "ABORTION"
PS> An interesting thought. Another plus in Islam's favor was the fact
PS> that they didn't get hung up on Aristotle the way the Christians did.
I
PS> wonder how different Western society would have become if the Muslims
PS> *had* won at Tours and Poitiers.
AS> Didn't the Islamics preserve even more of the ancient philosophers
AS> like Aristotle than the Christian monks did? Didn't we get better
Yes, they did. They're one reason that we have as much knowledge about
the past as we do.
AS> manuscripts from the Moslems concerning them and then it filtered into
AS> Western thought again?
Certainly so.
AS> Or are you just saying they didn't go overboard on it?
Yes. That is my point.
... "If winning is not important, why keep score?" - Worf
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:38
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "Evidence"
DW> Bzzt! Argument from Ignorance. If the strong nuclear force was greater
DW> or lesser than what it is now, life *as we know it* would be
DW> impossible. You cannot rule out the possibility of other life.
AM> I did not rule out the possibility of life as we don't know it. But,
Yes, you did. Your arguments are centered on the presupposition that life
as we know it is the only possible way for life to exist at all.
AM> in courtroom parlance you are arguing facts not in evidence. Your
AM> refuting my evidence with an unverifiable postulate. Mars and Venus
AM> are excellent candidates for life as we don't know it to evolve. Has
AM> anything been found there?
Are you certain that we would be able to distinguish such life as actually
being life, if it were to be detected?
DW> Bzzt! Argument from Ignorance (again!). Don't you fundies know any
DW> other fallacies? If the constants were randomly determined, a change
DW> in the one of the other constants could easily make it so that the
DW> lowered (or raised) gravitational constant would have no real effect.
AM> Thats like saying 2+2=5 if you subtract one. Its convienent, but it
AM> doesn't mean anything.
But it's perfectly true.
AM> So you are suggesting, that some unknown force would providentially
AM> alter other constants on our behalf so we can live here. I thought
AM> that was my argument. But I'm glad to see your thinking!
Your argument is ludicrous. Why could life not exist under different
parameters?
DW> Odds are not evidence for God, Andy. The odds for life existing are
DW> unity (life exists).
AM> Thats my point exactly, David. No matter how mind boggingly
AM> infintesimal the odds are against atoms self assembling into a
AM> universe and then self assembling into man, you prefer that notion.
You are making a common mistake: That odds determine the way the universe
works. Probability is a predictive study which may or may not have any
actual bearing on the real world. Do you understand this?
... "Bother," said Pooh as he felt a disturbance in the Force.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:38
EID:ff33 2045a5c0
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "flood"
DW> 28 Jan 96 09:14, Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis:
AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof
AM> that it happened?
DW> Name them.
AM> I have no names David. I have the eyewitness testimony of Luke
AM> written in the book of Acts. What written eyewitness testimony do you
AM> have refuting it?
In courtroom parlance, it is not necessary to do so. You are making the
claim that Jesus rose from the dead. This is an extraordinary claim and
the rough equivalent of accusing someone of a crime. As the maker of the
claim, you are obligated to present evidence that the claim is true.
Until you can show that it *is* true, then we are not obligated to
believe it. And as you are making an extraordinary claim, you'll need to
back it up with extraordinary evidence.
... Miskatonic U, The only place to learn about Gothic Horror
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:38
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "Thumb-sucking Fundy"
KD> There is no evidence against evolution.
AM> Yes there is. You just want to be a evolungelical fundamentalist.
What evidence have you got?
AM> How did you determine that children are not children until there born?
KD> Because they breathe, eat, and excrete like CHILDREN.
AM> After nine weeks a unborn infant has a nervous system. Pumps its own
AM> blood. After 3 months it can kick, move around sleeps takes in
AM> nourishment. There are thousands of babies that have survived after
AM> only 5 months in the womb. Unless a doctor intrudes with an
AM> instrument that snips off the tiny legs and arms, then crushes the
AM> skull. Then re-assembles the "fetus" to see all the parts are there.
AM> In the business they call those zipper babies.
And a third to a half of all "unborn" infants die before they can be
born. Guess God's a bigger killer of children than humanity ever can be.
... It IS as bad as you think and they ARE out to get you.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Evolungelical
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:38
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "Thumb-sucking Evolungelical"
AM> "The creationists believe the world started miraculously. But
AM> miracles lie outside of science, which by definition deals with
AM> the natural, the repeatable, that which is governed by law."
DW> So? I notice that Ruse said *nothing* about science *precluding* God.
DW> (You *do* know what "preclude" means, don't you? I'd suggest you look
DW> it up again just to make sure.)
AM> The answer stands for itself. As to who Micheal Ruse is... quit
AM> being so lazy and find out for yourself. I'll give you a hint. If
Look here, sport: If you make a claim, you provide the evidence. If you
can't deal with this simple concept, then stop making such asinine claims.
Got it?
AM> you really knew what you were talking about in this debate, you
AM> would know.
Tut, tut. Do Christians insult their opponents in debate?
... Jesus saves. Moses invests. Cthulhu forecloses.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Staal IGNORANCE 5:3-11
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:39
EID:a999 2045a5c0
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3116b306
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Fredric Rice mumbled "Staal IGNORANCE 5:3-11"
FR> You're saying that tribal warfare helps a species
fr> advance physically and technologically?
ps> I'd buy it technologically. Look at all of the remarkable things we
have
ps> as the result of some damned fool wanting to kill some other fool over
ps> something that may ultimately be worthless.
FR> Like deity constructs, yeah. I conceed the point utterly. I just
Okay.
FR> wish it didn't take so long for the technology to trickle down. I
FR> mean, where's _MY_ Toyota-mounted Sidewinder missles?
Might be handy for clearing up those traffic jams.
... How long do you think it would take to cook Barney?
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: So -shoot- me! (And don't Staal)
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:39
EID:ca03 2045a5c0
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Fredric Rice mumbled "So -shoot- me! (And
don't Staal)"
ps> For minor crimes, I am more disposed to treating
ps> the criminal as merely an errant member of society.
FR> It depends. If it's a violent crime -- punching an old woman and
FR> takeing her purse, for instance -- I would want the guy to bleed to
My definition of "minor" apparently differs from yours.
ps> For the major stuff, I tend to see them as active threats
ps> to the species--something that isn't to be tolerated.
FR> Just claim deities and sociopathic behavior becomes devine will.
Nah. I can't do that sort of double-think anymore.
ps> Same here (I'll be damned if I say "ditto").
FR> ROFL! Did you see my write-up on the cartoon with the jack-in-the-box
FR> being blown away by a little kid and him saying, "Mega dittos! Mega
FR> dittos!"?
Nah. Must have missed it.
... Every time they mention Cthulhu, I buy more guns.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: F=MA (every time) (Unless you're Staal inwhich case science isn't.)
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:46:39
EID:2bcf 2045a5c0
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Fredric Rice mumbled "F=MA (every time) (Unless
you're Staal inwhich case science isn't.)"
ps> True. But given some gunpowder in CO2 cartridges
ps> versus a three-inch gun, which would you take?
FR> The 3-incher, daily. }:-}
FR> I and my sons have been cleaning up the boat and stripping it down.
I
FR> will be getting with bob Kohl (he's in the nodelist) to ask about
FR> marine laws concerning transportation of firearms. I intend to mount
FR> a pivoting cannon on the bow and one on the stern if I'm allowed to.
Not going to get any letters of marque if we get into a war, are you?
FR> two compartments in their search, both of which were the primary
FR> storage places one would naturally chose to secret a ready-accessable
FR> firearm. I was surprised they didn't check.
Might not have suspected it.
... "Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he fought off three dragons.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: MICHAEL HARDY
|Sub: Adolph Hitler (yawn)
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:58:00
EID:cceb 20457740
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to David Rice <=-
-=> Quoting David Rice to Michael Hardy <=-
>>>LS> Make you feel good, cunt? How come the dick that's your
>>>LS> head isn't here instead of you?
>>MH> To all non-Christians: He's[sic] one of yours.
>DR> "If the older generation cannot get accustomed to us, we
>DR> shall take their children away from them and rear them as
>DR> needful for the Fatherland." -- Hitler, June 18, 1933
>DR>
>DR> "When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your
>DR> side,' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already ...
>DR> What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however,
>DR> now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know
>DR> nothing but the new community." -- Hitler, Nov. 6, 1933
>DR>
>DR> To all Christians: he's one of yours.
MH> Not that I want to unearth this bit of stupidity yet
MH> again, but since you brought it up, I never did get an answer
MH> from your "better educated" (than a first-grader) brother to
MH> my questions. Maybe you can do better (though I doubt it):
Maybe you could exert your limited mental abilities and try
to address your questions for Fredric =TO= Fredric.
MH> I'll give you just one. I'm curious as to whether you'll
MH> just ignore it or try to dodge it in some way.
You mean, like, become a Michael Hardy?
MH> If Hitler was such a good Christian,
1) Who said Hitler was a "good Christian?"
2) What is a "good Christian?" One who only kills Jews? Only
kills Oby/gyns? Only kills Protestants or Angelicans?
3) How does your "good Christian" match the analogy of your
claiming Larry Sites is a "good non-Christian?" If you are
asserting that Hitler was not a "good Christian," how is it
that you avoid the screaming cognative dissonance in your
head that tells you that Larry Sites may not be a "good"
(i.e. typical, aka average) "non-Christian?" What makes you
feel you can have it both ways, each mutually exclusive?
MH> how come he wanted the Bible taken out of churches in
MH> Germany and replaced with Mein Kampf?
How come you beat your wife, Michael?
Odd how you poisoned the well by first asserting I would
"ignore" or "dodge" your following question, and then made
an assertion posed as a "question" which therefore cannot
yield itself to an answer, there being nothing to answer.
Haven't you gone blind or lost a testicle masturbating like
that so much, Michael? Doesn't your constant begging-the-
question make you dizzy?
Alas, you refused to address the issue, but instead held a
gross display of public masturbation: you then expect that to
be good enough. Howsodamnever, Hitler was a Christian because
he said he was--- there is no other test for who is and is
not a Christian.
... "Let them eat cake." M. Antoinette "Let them eat shit." N. Gingrich
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: RICHARD MORRISON
|Sub: Navy Life
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:30:00
EID:f20d 204593c0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Richard Morrison to Ryan Shaw <=-
>>RM> I'm in the Navy.
>RS> It's amazing that are [our?] wonderful armed forces still
>RS> let such stupid [people? apes? un-doctors?] enlist. One
>RS> would think that you'd want people with brains pulling
>RS> triggers.
People with brains would not join the armed forces willingly,
unless the nation were being threatened--- something that has
not happened since Pearl Harbor. A standing army is evil.
RM> Thank you.
You're welcome.
P.S. How did the WSFinger program do? I'm constantly amazed at
what one can do with WinSock over the internet. Too bad Jesus
didn't have an internet account 2000 years ago.
... "God never intended Christians to be fools." -- "Kato"
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DON MARTIN
|Sub: The Constellation
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:48:00
EID:cad2 20459600
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Don Martin to Dan Ceppa <=-
DC> In case you didn't know, it is still commisioned in the
DC> US Navy!
DM> Its sister ship, The Constellation, is about two blocks
DM> from where I type this;
That should be _Constellation,_ not _THE_Constellation._
DM> I pass it every day.
You pass a ship every day?! Your bowels must be made of iron.
DM> It NEEDS a refit. A couple of years ago, they unshipped
DM> the masts for replacement, and uncovered unsuspected
DM> problems below. So the masts and rigging remain off. A
DM> few months back they put big nylon binding straps from
DM> gunport to gunport under the keel, presumably to hold the
DM> sheathing on, and a wooden crib was stacked up over the
DM> mainmast's opening, and tension cables run fore and aft
DM> to keep the ship from hogging. It is very sad to see.
It sounds like it is held together out of habit more than
anything else.
... Bosnian Bumpersticker: Religion Stopped 25,000 Beating Hearts!
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: American Staal Atheists
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:4421 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687ac
(On 02-03-96 Fredric Rice replied to Brian Kolacy)
F R>bk> Hail All!
FR>Hey, man! Where the fuck you been?
Out trying to get a life. It obviously didn't work:).
FR> > brian.kolacy@leading.org
FR> > http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
FR>A lot of us meet on #holysmoke on IRC off of undernet.org, by the
FR>way, every night at 8:00p.m. pacific.
Yep, I've already seen you there:) I normally have to go to *bed* at
11pm eastern!:(
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Dear Jesus, please protect us from your followers!
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:bcdd 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687b8
(On 02-03-96 Jose Gomez replied to Jim Staal)
J G>Right, Jim!
JG>The bible's words can mean many different things. But, God only meant
JG>ONE thing when He spoke. That is why we must have a relationship with
JG>Him - so that we can understand what He means when He talks.
JG>'My people shall know my voice.'
Did your god say this to you directly, or did you get it from the Bible?
(Hint:If you can't trust the Bible as the word of god, you can't trust
"My peopls shall know my voice" as meaning what you think it means).
Are you getting it directly from the source, or a rather shoddy
translation of a book?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... I wanted to be born again, but my mother said "NO!"
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Export...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:5ba1 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687c3
(On 02-03-96 Jose Gomez replied to Jim Staal)
J G>Jim, PLEAse do not make Christians look like self-appointed judges!!
JG>
JG>It is believers like you that convince the unbelievers not to
JG>It is believe. evident that you do not know God. Lock yourself in
JG>your prayer closet until you figure out what God is all about.
God told me he wanted you to lock yourself in your prayer closet for the
rest of your life. God has judged that you are evil, and has told me as
much. Go to your prayer closet 'til you die.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Jesus Christ: Imaginary Playmate to Millions of Adults!
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:83f1 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687ce
(On 02-03-96 Jose Gomez replied to Jim Staal)
JG>Please read and pray more....For all of our sakes!!
Sounds like you could stand to read a bit more. Try some different
mythology for a change...The Greeks gods are much more entertaining than
your gods.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood? - Nietzsche
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: song
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:e711 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687d8
(On 02-03-96 Linda Whitten replied to Michael Hardy)
MH> After you're done, are you going to write about niggers and kikes
MH> too? Or do you limit your offensive bigoted epithets to
MH> Christians?
Christianity is a belief system, which is fair game in my book. Would
you get upset if I made fun of Charles Manson's belief system? How
'bout Paul Hills?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:5302 20459d40
MSGID: 1:272/99 001687e4
(On 02-02-96 Andrew Masten replied to David Worrell)
A M>-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> DW> 28 Jan 96 09:14, Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis:
AM>
AM> AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that
AM> AM> proof that it happened?
AM> DW> Name them.
AM> I have no names David. I have the eyewitness testimony of Luke
AM>written in the book of Acts. What written eyewitness testimony do
AM>you have refuting it?
Did Luke write about Christ's birth in Acts? When is the book of Acts
dated to? As I understand it, many of these "eyewitness accounts" were
written well after the fact...hundreds of years, in some cases.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Evolungelic
|Date: 05 Feb 96 19:42:00
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(On 02-03-96 Andrew Masten replied to David Worrell)
AM> DW>>> He judges the opponents of Israel for some unspecified
AM> DW>>> abomionations, yet he does not judge Nazi Germany? That's a
AM> DW>>> pretty fucked up God you worship.
AM>
AM> AM>> Do you take anytime at all to think before you respond?
AM> AM>> Where is the thousand year 3rd reich today? It was judged and
AM> AM>> terminated.
AM>
AM> DW>> Got any evidence that God was the one doing the judging? From
AM> DW>> the history I read, it looks the the Allies were the ones doing
AM> DW>> the judgement.
AM> You made the claim that God did not judge Nazi Germany. The burden
AM>of proof is on you.
Always nice to see your "omnibenevolent" god was so timely in dispensing
his justice. I think he was around 6 million Jews too late!
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: All
|Sub: Re: Front Door 2.20
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:31:32
EID:6472 2045b3e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005 3116854d
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=============================================================================
* Forwarded by Steve Quarrella (1:124/9005)
* Area : FDECHO (FrontDoor/TosScan Support Conference)
* From : Charles Rollins, 1:279/22 (Dies solis February 04 1996 13:47)
* To : Lawrence Mintz
* Subj : Re: Front Door 2.20
=============================================================================
-=> Quoting Lawrence Mintz to Charles Rollins <=-
LM> FrontDoor 2.20 is *commercial* software and must be purchased. The
LM> *nearest* equivalent that is available is FrontDoor 2.12 (a single
LM> line version with other 2.20 features disabled as well.) There is
LM> *no* demonstration version of FrontDoor 2.20.
LM> Larry
That's pretty sad. So let's see. If I spend $50.00 to register 2.12
then I still have to buy 2.20?
... Reason brings you to the mountain; faith gets you on top.
-+-
+ Origin: The Q-Continuum, Sissonville, WV 304-984-0622 (1:279/22)
=============================================================================
Chuck's at it again!
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 04 Feb 96 21:21:33
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Jim and Sue were killing time yakking about God's Word...:
SA> Let's see what your book is saying in the passage that you
SA> indicate...
SA> ~~
SA> 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and
SA> hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
SA> 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which
SA> are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which
SA> is in Christ Jesus.
SA> 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is]
SA> profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
SA> instruction in righteousness:
SA> 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto
SA> all good works.
SA> ~~
SA> Hey...it says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God.
SA> What about all those that got tossed in the round file when the bible
SA> was actually put together...are we missing some inspiration??
SA> Also, Jim, if you look closely it does not say that the bible is
SA> correct. It just says that it is inspired by God and that it is
SA> profitable for teaching purposes. There is also the (not so) slight
SA> problem that you are using the words of a mere man (Paul) to justify
SA> why that mere man's own words must be considered to be without the
SA> possibility of error or prejudice. I realize that circular reasoning
SA> is a concept you have a problem with, but this is another prime example
SA> of it.
One more thought -- "from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures...".
That pretty much kills off any scripture that was written contemporaneously
with Timothy, including Timothy itself. It's talking about the same scripture
Jesus referred to -- the Old Testement.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:01:26
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David and Andrew were killing time yakking about flood:
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Andrew Masten <=-
DW> 28 Jan 96 09:14, Andrew Masten wrote to Karen Davis:
AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof
AM> that it happened?
DW> Name them.
AM> I have no names David. I have the eyewitness testimony of Luke
AM> written in the book of Acts. What written eyewitness testimony do you
AM> have refuting it?
Where does Luke claim to have been an eyewitness? What you have is hearsay
evidence as none of the 500, to our knowledge, chose to write down their
eyewitness testimony. In fact, according to the gospels, there were NO
witnesses to the resurrection, as the women (the first to witness Christ
AFTER his resurrection) showed up after the fact. :)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:05:04
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Karen and Andrew were killing time yakking about flood:
KD> Oh, I see... all my husband has to do is love me, but I have to be
KD> subject to him. Real great deal there.
AM> I'm not going to sugar coat it. Thats Gods plan for a marriage. The
AM> worlds plan has led to a staggering divorce rate.
Yeah, and Emancipation decimated the South's agrarian society. So?
KD> Why should the man be the head of the household?
AM>
AM> Because God has ordained it. Your concern isn't with man, but with
AM> God.
Could a woman in a Christian marriage ignore her husband, since he isn't
her
concern, according to you? God didn't ordain this -- Hebrew society did,
and
it's continued because it's served men well.
AM> If your reffering to the admonishment in Corinthians, its because
AM> women were disrupting the church by asking there husbands questions
in
AM> the middle of service.
Very good. And in a society where women were not taught Hebrew theology
as
were the men, finding themselves in a new religion where they WERE accorded
the right to be present, it's understandable that they would have had questions
and not known the protocol for during the service. In that sense, this
passage
pertains more to new Christians, rather than some sort of injunction against
women having a voice in the congregation. It's hardly likely that a woman
pastor would interrupt the service to ask her husband a question, now is
it?
AM> No, your wrong there, study other cultures that reject the
AM> Christian-Judeo ethic and see how well the women are treated. Asain
AM> and Arab cultures treat women as dogs.
Now, why do you say they've "rejected" the Christian-Judeo ethic (BTW, Judeo
came first)? They've simply NOT rejected their own.
It's all very good to say, "Yeah, we mistreat you, but they're worse!"
But
since when do two wrongs make a right? Can you blame women for wanting
more
then the least rotten when we know there is the potential for so much better?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: flood
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:15:34
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Lynda and Dan were killing time yakking about flood:
LB> Oh yeah? Well, I defy you to find evidence where he thought himself
a
LB> "diety". ;)
DC> Didn't Saul say that? Or was it some other biblical chronicler?
DC> Well, just becuase he didn't say it...
LB> hehe. Honestly, I'm not sure if the word Deity is in the Bible or not
LB> -- but I can doubledamn-guarentee the word Diety is NOT! (You
DC> LOL! Go ahead, stamp your feet and cry "Is not!" However, you
DC> are right in the "diety" part, unless it's food service book. :)
hehe. 'Zactly. That was the only point I was making. ;)
But as long as we're chatting about Saul -- he never met the guy, and was
prone to be as zealous in his version of Christian theology as he ever claimed
to be against it. Jesus never called himself a Diety or Deity or even God.
LB> inconveniently hacked off the portion of the message you were
LB> originally replying to)
DC> Nope... I think I was replying exactly to that.
That what? (snicker) -- I figure SOMEONE should take over Jim's "Huh?"
"Wha-?" "Who?!" schtick!
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: FOF=CHILD ABUSE
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:20:21
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LYNDA and AL were killing time yakking about FOF=CHILD ABUSE:
LC> Of course they abuse children.They're Christian!
LB> Excuse me?
AS> Luke can occasionally be like Sean or Fred, and let his hyperbole get
AS> in the way. And like Sean, I have no doubt his heart's in the right
AS> place. I don't think he believes either you or I abuse our children
AS> (unless he counts teaching the Christian religion as child mental and
AS> spiritual abuse.)
Yeah, I know -- that's why I didn't think anything beyond what I said above
was necessary in order to get the point across. I like Luke a lot. He
seems
to have a good head on his shoulder, and if he can get rid of the notion
of
lumping entire categories together indiscrimately before he hits voting
age,
he's going to be a wonderful member of society. :)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A TALE OF 2 CITIES...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 15:33:14
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LYNDA and AL were killing time yakking about A TALE OF 2 CITIES...:
LB> Are you suggesting they ARE birds? Bats are mammals -- they have fur
LB> and bear live young, rather than lay eggs.
JS> I am not suggesting anything, other than what the Bible says. If it
JS> doesn't say they are not birds somewhere else, there is no
JS> contradiction. That is all...
LB> There is a contradiction with reality, Jim -- it contradicts the
LB> truth. So much for inerrancy.
LB> Now, which is it? Is the Bible inerrant, and bats ARE birds? Or are
LB> bats mammals, and the Bible errs when it departs from theology?
AS> Or could it be the Hebrew word actually means "beings larger than
AS> insects with wings"?
Of course! But rather than coming to the logical conclusion that both you
and
Mike (and me, I hope you realize) did, that we are dealing with trying to
understand one culture and language through the filter of time and translation,
Jim more or less removed the Hebrews from the picture entirely -- and said
GOD
calls them that. And I'm pretty sure God, having designed them, would have
noticed the inner differences between bats and birds and not been so impressed
by one external similarity that he lumped them together based on it.
AS> their method of reproduction. Surely the ancient Hebrew scribes cannot
AS> be faulted for using words in a way that their PRIMARY audience, the
AS> ancient Hebrews understood, rather than our own classifications 3
AS> thousand years later. And to God, to whom all the web of life is one,
AS> it must amuse Him as much the way WE divide up life into neat little
AS> compartments as the ancient Hebrews' equally abitrary (although not
as
AS> systematic) classification. Notice in the list, the bats are mentioned
AS> LAST, as if the scribe is not sure where they fall, but lumped them
AS> with birds for lack of a better place to put them? The Hebrews had no
AS> word for "mammal" that we know of. That is OUR classification, not
AS> theirs.
Sure -- and I don't fault them for it at all. Figuring out where they were
coming from is an important part of understanding scripture, and being able
to discern what is timeless truth, what is fact, and what is merely an
interesting bit of trivia about how they thought. But literalists and
innerrantists (since Jim seems to see some major difference between the
two)
insist that ALL of it is fact -- even this. Fact that one dare not dispute
without walking away from faith. Fact that we should be teaching in our
schools. And so, in order to preserve the Bible as being dictated word
for
word by God, he leaves out the Hebrew culture altogether, and says GOD calls
bats and birds the same thing.
I EXPECTED an answer like you and Mike gave -- and I couldn't have given
Jim
a wider opening to have done so (I sometimes do that with Jim and Ken --
give
them leading questions to help them clarify something they've put in a way
that sounds dense, so they can say it better, and I can better understand
just
what they mean) But he didn't take it -- either Jim really does see the
Hebrew culture as irrelevent to the shaping of scripture, or he's once again
playing dumb.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Agreement: The basis of reality and culture.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:32:07
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LYNDA and AL were killing time yakking about CHRISTMAS:
LB> Twist it, Al! What's insulting about all this is not the accusation
LB> that I am not being nice to some of the Christians here -- that's a
LB> given, and I freely admit it. It's the suggestion that I am some sort
LB> of puppet for the non-believers -- dammit, every word I've said came
LB> out of me without any coaching and I want credit or condemnation for
it
LB> myself! (G)
AS> But...but...but that's what your masters MADE you say! Enthralled by
AS> Fred Rice, Hector, and the rest of the godless atheists here, they
AS> Svengali-like enslaved you to their will...we'll get a deprogrammer,
AS> HE'LL cure you...and if not him, Oral Roberts. HEAL! HEAL!
Psst, Al. C'mere. A little close....closer....there. Hold still, now.
WHHHHAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP! (If I'm going to be a puppet, I pick Punch and Judy).
(G)
AS> Don't feel bad. I know Someone Else who questioned and even
AS> insulted religious hypocrites, calling them like bright and shiny
AS> tombs on the outside, but full of rotting bodies and worms within.
AS> And Who ate and talked with all manners of sinners.
LB> I am deeply embarassed and humbled by the comparison, but I do thank
LB> you for saying so. Would this be the same one that was accused of
LB> blasphemy?
AS> Yes.
AS> (There was a strong temptation, though, to write there, yes. Harlan
AS> Ellison.)
Now, THAT'S a comparison I can see! ;) But I think Don Martin has already
been awarded the title of curmugeon. (G)
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Put your hand inside the Puppet Head.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:36:23
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Jim and Jose were killing time yakking about Circular reasoning:
JG> I am a church minister, and I am embarrassed by you ignorance. Please
JG> do a little more reading before you speak. God bless.
Jose -- if you'd quote, Jim (and the rest of us) might have some clue which
of his gems set you off.
By the way, that's "your ignorance".
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... A little ignorance can go a long way.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 05 Feb 96 14:42:36
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Lynda and Shelby were killing time yakking about DEFINITIONS FOR JIM:
LB> In the "real world", would you make a statement like "was your father
LB> raised in a teepee?!" when they were expressing anger and grieve over
LB> the loss of a beloved relative, and the means by which they died? It
LB> was callous --
SS> Thanks for reminding me of this. This reproduction of what Jim said
SS> about my father in law's death, coupled with this exit statement...
SS> Quoting Jim Staal:
SS> =====================================================================
SS> To those I might have offended, I reget that. To those who perceived
SS> offense, it wasn't my intent.
SS> ==============================
SS> ...Shows that he is at least a liar. Hindsight is 20/20.
Oddly enough, I sometimes think Jim means ever word he says -- at the moment
he says them. I think he was far more interested in continuing the debate
with you than he was in stopping and thinking "Hey, this guy may be my
adversary, but he just revealed a very painful thing to me. I better tread
lightly here." He was in argue-mode, and he neglected to step out of it
when
you told him about your dad-in-law.
His departure was also "sincere" -- at least, he expects it to be regarded
as
such. And you'll note that, like his response to Gwenny, it isn't an apology.
He simply regrets that anyone took offense. He still skirts around actually
admitting that he GAVE offense. But when he comes back (and he will), I
strongly suspect that he will think everyone should remember the reasonable
words above, and never bring up anything that happened before. I'm just
wondering how many new Jim Aliases will have come into the echo before his
official return.
[And Jim,
I know you're reading this -- I REALLY want to be wrong about that. You
need
to make some honest, unabashed apologies here, without expecting ANYTHING
from
them, other than the restoration of your own honor. Do not offer a few
words
as payment for some sort of kind treatment after you've spent months using
unkind words, and getting flustered that THEY have created a certain type
of
unkind treatment in kind. If you can offer an apology because they deserve
it,
rather than as a way to enhance your own standing, I will be behind you.
I
can't speak for anyone else. But you'd better lay off these aliases, because
after the way you used "Lon" to harangue Shelby, I will no longer be indulgent
about them.]
SS> became addicted to nicotine in the 1930's had no idea of the health
SS> consequences that would later be associated with this addiction. His
SS> intent _was_ to offend, to injure and anger, certainly not a behaviour
SS> that the Jesus Christ he claims to emulate would condone.
No. And even if your father-in-law HAD been somewhat responsible for the
means of his own death -- that was NOT the right time to say so, particularly
in such crude and clumsy terminology. It was tossed off with the same air
of casual dismissal as one might use on a child -- "Well, you shouldn't
have
let go of the balloon. It's gone now."
*sigh* Jim really needs to meditate on the Golden Rule, because the things
he does are the same things he gets most upset about when they are done
to him.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... Department of Redundancy Department
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One Cod jaysus
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:55:52
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SR> The jeezoids can keep their robed, bearded boy-wonder. He loves
SR> taking it in from behind.
BJ> You indicate here you must have seen Jesus before.
Hey Yeah!! Up on the old rusty water-tower! Did you see it, too??
BJ> How is it that you know he had a beared?
I saw all the Jeff Hunter movies. They wouldn't lie about that!
BJ> I love to be in the family of Jesus
Be a real jeezoid and you can be IN him, as well. All the *noids are!
BJ> God Bless!
Watch it! No cursing!
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: The Light of matchsticks
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:57:20
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Steve Rose:
SR> Too late. There is a new snow storm coming...and I just unwrapped
SR> another box of KJ babbles destined for the Howard Johnsons
BJ> I don't have any idea what a (KJ babble) is
Sigh. King James babble. You know...the big FAT kind!
BJ> That is a shame Steve that you are so sensitive to old ink!! Have
BJ> you seen a doctor about your problem?
Yeah. He says to wear a mask when I toss those babbles into the fire.
Should be no problem with the right ventilation that blows all the ink-smoke
away.
BJ> I don't want to hear about you being burned again.
Hell, I'd just assume forget the old fireplace...and take the truckload
of fundy babbles down to the basement and stuff them all into the furnace.
But they would burn too quickly in there and spoil the good time!
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:57:31
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SR> promoting their umpteen Xtian babble-cartoons that are animated
SR> by the Koreans and Japanese and sold to all the fundy parents
JJH> I've seen those.
JJH> Jesus and 11 of the apostles look like whitebread anglo-saxon
JJH> honkeys, but Judas looks VERY VERY Jewish (big nose and yarmulke).
I can't tell where one of those Speed Racer cartoons ends and the krustian
kartoons begins. Just change the good guys and bad guys wardrobe, stick
them all on donkeys and off they go duking it out!
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: The child has GOT to go!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:48:42
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Fredric Rice wrote in a message to Steve Quarrella:
> FR> ~*~ Then the aunt saying to my mother that there was no
> FR> choice and that the "child" would HAVE to go. - Dusty
> sq> That post is probably one of THE "Top Ten Greatest
> sq> Posts" I've seen in the nearly four years I've been
> sq> running my node.
FR> Saved to disk!
Ranks right up there with the Legends of the Star Goat!
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: An interesting situation 1
|Date: 05 Feb 96 22:54:00
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SB> Me: Huh?
SB> He: I'm BUSY! (yelling)
SB> Me: Go fuck yourself.
SB> He: Fuck THIS, bud! (holding a gun)
SB>
SB> That hour was enough to make me swear off Detroit forever.
SB>
SB> Now, Windsor was a different story...
SB>
SB> Last summer, I drove a charter bus to Windsor and everyone that I
SB> met was so friendly that it was like another world. No weird
SB> experiences. Amazing difference!
That's because Windsorians don't eat those imitation cheese noodles made
with mostly oil and water. They eat the Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeisest!!
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Polish...polish...
|Date: 05 Feb 96 05:42:09
EID:a461 20452d40
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David Worrell > Norbert Sykes:Polish...polish...
JS>> Meanwhile he wallows in the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
NS> You've just branded yourself as a bigot, sir.
DW> Just? Jimbob accomplished that feat long ago.
Well heck, I just got here a month or so ago...};)
... "Help! I've risen and I can't get down!" Jesus at a disco.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 05:44:53
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Steve Rose > Norbert Sykes:Fundy Follies!
SR> Then you haven't been watching the 'Family (sic) Channel' promoting
SR> their umpteen Xtian babble-cartoons that are animated by the Koreans
SR> and Japanese and sold to all the fundy parents that think they are so
SR> safe for the krustian kiddies to watch, while making the network
SR> church masters richer. :)
Nope, haven't seen 'em...and my kids WON'T watch them (their choice).
They much prefer lots of violence, etc.
NS> and I've noticed that his book almost has to be give away...
SR> To be burned in the fireplace here...helping to get through this cold
SR> snap!
Well, I suppose the pages are too crinkly to use in the bathroom...
... Humans have Free Will. Killer Whales have Free Willy.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 05 Feb 96 06:40:25
EID:cd19 20453500
AG> Then consider the following Jewsih `truth'.
Red herring...
AG> In 1983 there was 15,688,259 Jews in the world - according to the
AG> World Almanac for 1947. This figure was given to the World Almanac
AG> by the American Jewish Committee and the Jewish Statistical Bureau
AG> of of the Synagogues of America.
For the sake of argument, I'll assume your sources are valid. That
way, I can go after the easier target...your reasoning...
AG> In 1948 there were between 15,600,000 and 18,700,000 Jews in the
AG> world according to an article in the New York Times of February 22,
AG> 1948 by Mr. Hanson W. Baldwin, a recognized wholly impartial expert
AG> on population. Mr. Baldwin can by no conceivable stretch of
AG> imagination be termed an anti Semite.
Why not? What's your proof/evidence of this? Sounds like a set
up...methinks Herr Goebel doeth protest too much...
AG> Moreover his `boss' and owner
AG> of the New York Times is a Jew Arthur Sulzberger noted as a staunch
AG> friend of Britain. Taking Mr Baldwin's maximum estimate of 17,700,
AG> 000, we get that during the ten years, 1938-1948 - which includes
Waitaminit: you said above that the maximum was 18,700,000 and now
you're saying it's 17,700,000. Are you cooking the numbers or just
ignorant?
AG> the war years 1935-1945 when Hitler was `supposed' to have killed
AG> the 6,000,000 Jews - Jewish population in the world actually
AG> increased by over 3,000,000 or - if for purposes of argument we
AG> assume that Adolf Hitler `really' did kill 6,000,000 Jews, by 9,000
AG> 000 - that is to say the 3,000,000 increase plus 6,O00,000 births
AG> to replace the 6,000,000 killed by Hitler.
Again, you've made a leap in logic. You give a figure for 1948. Then
you lower it a million...arbitrarily. Then you say the figure was for
1938-1948, when you've actually given no figure for that period. It
should be simple enough, even for you...what was the Jewish population
BEFORE the war, and then what was it AFTER. Go ahead and stomp out the
answer with your foot, I have all night...
AG> As there are now only some 18,000,000 Jews in the wnrld. An increase
Your source of this is what, again?
AG> of 9,000,000 Jews in the ten years 1938-1949, reprents a total
AG> increase of population (in only ten years) of fifty percent - an
AG> impossibility even for a race so imersed in sex as the Jews.
Ah HA...false results based on false premises. Outside of what I've
outlined before, you say that at the end of the period of 1938-1948
there was an increase of 9mil...to our present day figure (supposedly)
of 18mil. Have you even a clue what year THIS is? It's NOT 1949,
scaffuzzo! As for the impossibility...stay tuned...
AG> Even if every single, able-bodied Jew spent 24 hours of every day
AG> between 1938-1948 doing nothing - day-in-day-out - except having
AG> sexual intercourse with every single Jewess (of child bearing age),
AG> it is beyond the possibilities of eugenic science for them to have
AG> produced 9,000,000 young Jews in only ten years.
Why?
AG> No wonder Allan Lesser, himself a Jew, was compelled to admit in an
AG> article on "Anti-Defamation Hysteria" in the Spring issue, 1946 of
AG> Menorah Journal that, "As reported during the war years by Jewish
AG> news agencies, the number of Jews killed in more than the Nazis ever
AG> knew existed."
So he said that the Germans killed more Jews than they knew existed? So?
Hell, they thought Hitler a God, figuring out their shoelaces must have
taken half the morning all by itself.
AG> In other words the whole story of the 6,000,000 dead Jews is pure
AG> fiction.
And you reached this conclusion HOW? Here's how the impossibility
becomes possible, using your figures: Pre-war there were (low end
figure for fairness sake) 15.6mil. During war this goes down by 6mil
to 9.6mil. If half of these are old enough to reproduce (4.8mil) and
the success rate is 80% (3.84mil), then 1.74mil couples could produce
1.74mil infants every nine months for 10 years (1.74mil x 13.3
gestations), for a potential adding to the Jewish population of
23,142,000 new Jews. As it turns out, they only have to produce about
a third of that. And you're fundamentally stupid beyond endurance.
And now everyone knows it.
NS
... Happy as a Raptor in the marketplace. -- Mishearing of Beatles Song
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: all
|Sub: US Bans AbortionSpeak on 'Net
|Date: 05 Feb 96 20:37:32
EID:6d7e 2045a4a0
\_|_|||||||||| __|_
/ |||| |||
Terry Liberty-Parker > All:US Bans AbortionSpeak on 'Net
TL> << BY WIDE MARGINS IN EACH BODY, THE HOUSE AND SENATE PASSED
TL> THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996 WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT
TL> PROHIBITS THE USE OF INDECENT SPEECH ONLINE AND ANOTHER THAT
TL> BARS DISCUSSION OF ABORTION ON THE INTERNET. THE PRESIDENT,
TL> ENTERTAINING FRENCH PRESIDENT JACQUES CHIRAC TONIGHT, IS
TL> EXPECTED TO SIGN THE BILL SHORTLY. A HIGHLY INDECENT ARTICLE
TL> DEVOTED TO THE TOPIC WILL BE PUBLISHED HERE UPON THE SIGNATURE
TL> OF THE PRESIDENT IN ORDER TO LAUNCH THE AMERICAN REPORTER'S
TL> CHALLENGE TO THE LAW IN FEDERAL COURT IN THE FIRST DISTRICT OF
TL> MASSACHUSSETTS.>>
Fuck, I shoulda never been born. Ooops! Double Ooops!
What idiots those posers be...
NS
... A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words. -- Heart of Darkness
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Countdown: TEN DAYS
|Date: 05 Feb 96 00:59:36
EID:247a 20450760
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a4715a
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWENTY FIVE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
Nothing has happened.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day TWELEVE of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing has happened.
You have only TEN days left in order to destroy me with your
"magick" (on or before February 14th) in order to fulfill the
conditions of Curse Number Three.
It's just fucking amazing how radiantly healthy I've been
feeling lately.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Re: hi
|Date: 05 Feb 96 01:07:36
EID:77dd 204508e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a47d1f
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89150E14
JG> Even the imfamous Aleister Crowley spoke of being raped by
JG> demons and tormented by YHWH (found in the forward to the
JG> Necronomicon).
My copy of the Necronomicon doesn't even HAVE a forward.
You're lying again.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Female Circumcision, yet
|Date: 05 Feb 96 02:22:20
EID:4174 204512c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a544a5
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 311379f5
JH>> Whereas us "civilized" folks who think of meat as something
JH>> that comes wrapped in plastic from the supermarket have
JH>> banished this aspect of survival to factories where we aren't
JH>> exposed to the explicit reality of where our food comes from.
SA> While also becoming repulsed at ritual mutilation like
SA> scarification, clitoridectomy, body discs, etc. Though, I notice
SA> that body piercing is becoming popular amongst "civilised" young
SA> for whatever reason.
Not just peircing, but tatooing is making a big comeback (from where
I'm not sure, but I wish it had stayed there). There is even some
scarification and branding (both heat and cryogenic). The whole
phenomenon is sometimes described as "Modern Primitivism".
I can't see the appeal in it myself. While I am by no means a
conformist (ha! no one admits to being one) I do find there are
advantages to anonymity and the ability to fade into a crowd.
All the above shit is just too damned permanent. I don't necessarily
want the entire world to be able to identify me at a glance even if
twenty years have passed since the last time they saw me.
While they are few in number, there are a few people in this world
who I hope have forgotten me.
SA> Perhaps Kant was on to something.
Sorry, never read any Kant. I've no idea what you are saying here.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: True Christians
|Date: 05 Feb 96 02:39:34
EID:efc3 204514e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a55d8e
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 310e6e6b
RJ> And thus, several religions with reincarnation beliefs are also
RJ> responsible for untold human suffering and misery. Ever heard
RJ> about what life is like for a typical Buddhist woman from
RJ> Cambodia or anywhere else in the SE Asian peninsula?
RJ> Not pleasant at all.
Beleif in reincarnation tends to foster the notion that "life is
cheap" (they'll come back, no big deal).
Observe here how when 5 or 6 kids are killed in a school bus
accident and it is treated as a major disaster. Whereas a flood
or fire can kill thousands in the East and it's simply no big deal.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: LARRY SITES
|Date: 05 Feb 96 02:49:30
EID:713c 20451620
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a57257
JB> As for the bathroom...all you have to do is unzip and go. Have
JB> you ever tried to go while juggling a purse, 6 packages and 2
JB> shopping bags? [...]
JB> Think about that next time a date goes to the restroom
JB> (especially if she's very dressed up) and you might find
JB> yourself wondering how she managed to do it so fast.
You used to carry two shopping bags around with you on dates?
I wasn't aware that bag ladies were asked out that often. Unless
of count the ever popular "If you aint gonna buy nothing get OUT
of my shop".
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: HI
|Date: 05 Feb 96 03:19:00
EID:1c68 20451a60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a5b41c
JH>>> What happens when you double-click on Satan?
AS>> I think the last guy to do that was named Faust...
JH>> And he ended up writing westerns....
JH>> Scary.
AS> Well, think about the setting of an average western. Hot
AS> desert sands, very little water, people with hair-trigger
AS> tempers...kind of appropriate, isn't it? Hellish settings,
AS> if you ask me...
Still makes me think of the set of 'Jesus Christ - The Western'.
Or the original book version for that matter.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: THUMB-SUCKING EVOLUNGELIC
|Date: 05 Feb 96 03:23:52
EID:7724 20451ae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a5c9c3
JH>> After that sort of introduction, would you be interested
JH>> in seeing what the rest of us are like?
AS> (Ominous silence.) Between I Love Lucy and Adolf Hitler, we
AS> may have a death star or star fleet heading towards us...to
AS> wipe us out! (Yes, the sky IS falling, Chicken Little...)
Or how about our fiction and fiction-presented-as-fact about alien
races. We're not nice to visiting aliens, wether they deserve it
(War of the Worlds) or not (Klaatu).
Wether it be David Bowie in The Man Who Fell To Earth or the rubber
dummy of the recent Roswell Autopsy film, the message is clear:
Visit this planet and you'll get fucked over big time.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: The Ultimate Fundy
|Date: 05 Feb 96 03:54:52
EID:d762 20451ec0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a61030
REPLY: 00163537
> Why? Quite seriously, if Allah is supposed to be omnipotent and
> all knowing, why must you pray? Wouldn't an all powerful and all
> knowing god already know what you were going to say?
ZA> Sure, but He is testing us to see if we DO pray, worship,
ZA> and fear Him.
^^^^^^^^
Why the emphasis on fear?
How do you justify it?
Why would the Divine demand we adopt an emotional state that is
mutually exclusive with intelligent thought (a terrified
person is not a thinking person)?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:19:06
EID:b4e0 20452260
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a64013
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E27
On Jan 30 21:32 96, Michael Hardy of 1:3625/470 wrote:
MH> Hey moron,
MH> You sent this whole post to JJ. You were, in fact,
MH> responding to JJ's comments. Unless he is also a Christian
MH> named Michael (which you childishly change to "Mikey"),
MH> you're all wet.
That post really had me deeply concerned for a moment.
I couldn't figure out what I had done to deserve being
compared to you.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:23:50
EID:2654 204522e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a64fae
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89177E2C
JH>> I will give up my life so that you might have
JH>> ever-laughing life.
LB>> Which holiday would you like us to take over in your name?
MH> Flag Day. Nobody else is using it.
Blech!
Now I can sympathize with how Jesus would have felt if he knew
how they were going to use pagan feast days to commemorate his
birth and death.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Your religion
|Date: 05 Feb 96 04:32:20
EID:9448 20452400
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61a66183
REPLY: 1:157/200 4302072d
ZA> Islam is not only a religion, but a complete way of life.
KDM> So is $cientology. What's your point?
And so are Karate, Bodybuilding and Ballet.
And they don't require you to check your brain at the door.
(Well... Karate and Ballet don't.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 05 Feb 96 11:39:20
EID:1d70 20455ce0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61aa48e3
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 310fcc1a
DW>>> Take a nuclear reactor. Make a vent in the cooling
DW>>> system. FIre up the reactor. Open the vent and watch it
DW>>> fly away, irradiating the surrounding area.
PS>> And what genius thought up this idea?
DW> I don't remember. It's a fine example of research dollars
DW> gone to waste, though.
It was a military project. And we all know the military never
wastes money. Just ask Rich Morrison out there on the high
seas of Missouri.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: -------
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:22:47
EID:b096 204592c0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61adfd1d
REPLY: 1:207/212 7f8c2ac4
RM>> Origin: Messages Galore BBS!!, 816-241-6807, Kansas City
RM>> MO (1:280/26)
RM>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
JH>> We got a lot of ships in Missouri?
KD> While I hate to defend a fundy, I recall my uncle was
KD> stationed in MO when in the Navy, as well. Not sure what
KD> they have there.
And we've got 50,000 troops in Japan so they can rape little girls.
I don't doubt that he's in the Navy or in Missouri. The point being
contested is wether it is doing anyone (other than himself) any
good.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Korntron takes a pee.
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:27:07
EID:df45 20459360
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61ae01fb
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 31154c38
WB>> Hi All: What an exicting awakening. Boy have I learned!
WB>> My first visit to the Docters
DW>> Can someone tell me why a
DW>> StarPerson/Commander/John-the-Baptist/etc needs a human
DW>> doctor?
PS> Because he's a fookin' lunatic.
Unfortunately the doctors are concentrating on the wrong end
of his torso.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Staal works for the ACLU?
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:29:04
EID:0a41 204593a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61ae072f
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876038
FR> Minors have few rights and freedom of speech
FR> isn't one of them.
Bill Clinton would agree with you.
But I sure as hell don't.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: The Commander's pissing
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:31:17
EID:50ce 204593e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61ae0acb
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 9aa83dba
JH>> Good ol' Walter still holds the position of all-time
JH>> self-important echo idiot. Even Brother MISTER Jimmy
JH>> doesn't think so highly of himself that he feels he has to
JH>> inform the entire world that he just took a shit.
MB> Yeah. But don't forget it was a NORMAL shit.
I really didn't think he had it in him.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Parker lunacy much like Staal's
|Date: 05 Feb 96 18:40:34
EID:d5d1 20459500
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61ae2896
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 11876036
jjh>> goes by the name of Cosmic Awareness.
FR> I wish I had time to sort through Idiot_UFO and some
FR> of the other lunatic forums. It's just that there rarely
FR> seems to be anything new posted worth saveing and I end up
FR> erasing all the messages without reading them after awhile.
I know the feeling. I wish I had time for the "New Science",
healing, channeling, Right Wing, New Age and other nutball
echos. I chose the UFO areas because they get a good deal of
spill over from those other topics.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:05:54
EID:2bdc 204620a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b3504f
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115bf52
JJH>> in the oven. When I bought it I had no intention of buying a
JJH>> roast. I didn't even go to the store with the intention of
JJH>> buying meat.
GtP> Ymmmmm, don't cook it TOO much. As a friend used to say,
GtP> cut off it's horns, wipe it's ass and serve it.
Fuck that.
You savages in Colorado can eat all the bloody raw shit you want.
I, as a member of the better civilized, prefer my food cooked.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:08:15
EID:dd9d 20462100
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b35957
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 3115c59d
GtP>>> ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping
GtP>>> folk of the Middle East were living in cities with paved
GtP>>> streets, knew how to work metal and had writing when the
GtP>>> progenitors of patriarchal monotheism were still nomads.
GtP>>> Not only that, but they were enlightened enough that
GtP>>> women ruled and sex was not evil. SO THERE!!
JJH>> You have a source for this claim?
JJH>> Let me guess... The Wymyns Encyclopedia of Revisionist
JJH>> History.
GtP> Oh, sorry, I was using a piece of researched literature.
GtP> I'll go back to using the one true book of Middle East
GtP> history...the Bible.
That's as piss poor a dodge as your old man's "Hoo Haa".
(Is he always such an idiot?)
I'm still waiting for your evidence of a mid-eastern, metal
working, LITERATE, matriarchal urban culture.
Present it, please.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:15:26
EID:713c 204621e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b36780
JB> The word 'cunt' in Dutch is the POLITE word for 'ass'. I
JB> think that one and the word 'douche' (shower) were the 2 I
JB> had the hardest time getting used to hearing a lot.
Those words CAN'T be Dutch.
They don't have any double vowels.
Are you sure you don't mean 'cuunt' and 'dooche'?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: WHAT'S A "FUNDY?"
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:18:22
EID:3b3d 20462240
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b3783e
SQ>> I get a gag reflex just thinking about eating tuna fish
SQ>> out of a can.
JB> Well, smoked eel is black and has the consistency of tough
JB> Jello...kind of squishy when you try to pick it up. And they
JB> don't take the head off, so the damned thing is laying there
JB> LOOKING at you.
I've yet to get over my aversion of food that lOOks back at you.
At my favorite Chinese restaurant I've eaten each and every item on
the menu except one... the whole cooked Tilapia, which is served as
it was cooked, a whole fish: head, tail and fins.
Of course, even if I should order it, I'm not sure what I'm supposed
to do with it when it gets to my table. Probably pick it up and eat
it like a turkey leg.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:29:14
EID:e21e 204623a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b3864f
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89150E13
All loans subject to credit approval. Additional limitations may
apply. This offer may be changed or withdrawn at any time without
notice.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Part 2
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:45:17
EID:6235 204625a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b3afcc
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 311417d7
>> genitalia - vulgar
>> penis - vulgar
>> tit - vulgar
>> vagina - vulgar
>> Notes:
>>
>> 9.Nudity: Discussion of nudity is fine; nude room names
>> are a judgement call.
Nudity is fine.... just so long as it doesn't involve any body
parts.
Thanks for posting that... it's a keeper.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: One God Steve
|Date: 06 Feb 96 04:51:42
EID:d16e 20462660
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On Feb 05 07:26 96, Scot Bear of 1:154/69 wrote:
>> BJ> Or don't you believe in any God Steve?
>>
>> GOD STEVE!
>> Steve Rose has been elevated to God status.
SB> Heathen! The ONE, True God is Dan! GOD DAN!
Does this mean you are going to Dan me to Hell?
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HURRY! HURRY!
|Date: 06 Feb 96 05:01:33
EID:b6fe 20462820
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61b3d28d
On Feb 03 07:56 96, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/14 wrote:
JH>> We're going to need a good excuse for putting it in August.
JB> Wasn't August (or close on the heels thereof) the month of
JB> your first death/disappearance? Or was that the month of
JB> your first resurrection? I know it was one of them.
Nah... the Blue Council affair wrapped up about a week before
April Fool's Day.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 06 Feb 96 05:04:52
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JH>> I was under the distinct impression that the current version of
JH>> humanity was the Cro-Magnon. Did they finally come out with
JH>> Humans95 while I wasn't watching?
DW> Hmmmm....
DW>
DW>
DW>
DW> Staalie posted that using my name. *I* would never have
DW> confused Neanderthals with Cro-Magnons. Yeah, that's it, it
DW> was Staalie. Would I lie to you?
Seeing how I haven't read any Staal-poop in over three months,
I *might* just fall for that...
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 06 Feb 96 05:14:03
EID:909d 204629c0
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MH>> What is that he's drawing on the ground?
MH>> A five pointed star with a flaming eye in the
MH>> middle?
MH>> Oh it's an Edder Sign
MH>> Clever Dick!
MH>> See Cthulhu see the Elder sign.
PS> "Dammit! There goes another one! I'm gonna catch up with
PS> that Lovecraft guy and make him *pay* for letting people
PS> know about that thing!"
In what story or stories (within the Lovecraft canon, not spinoffs
by other authors) do the Elder Signs appear?
I thought it might have been in The Dunwich Horror or The Call
of Cthulhu, but couldn't find it. I did however find the latitude
and longitude for Ryleh (I'm entering those co-ordinates into
GeoClock just as soon as I save this message.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|Sub: holysmoke.faq.aa
|Date: 04 Feb 96 06:02:04
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The HOLYSMOKE echo exists so that off-topic religious issues from other
echoes
in Fidonet may be moved to an echo where they are topical. No one in the
past
four years has yet succeeded in helping any theist think past their
brainwashing, but there's always the chance that some god-believing cash-cow
will stop denying reality, so we continue to try.
All entries marked [OBSOLETE] will be deleted in the next version unless
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atheist One who has no belief in deities. See 3.x for details.
Atheist Member of Amarican Athiests, inc.
athiest Used by theists to refer to those without morals.
agnostic An atheist without guts.
fundi Religous fundamentalist. See 3.6 for details.
liberal Anyone winning an argument with a creationist.
Hir Gender-neutral noun, "Her + Him = Hir."
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3.1 Q: What is HOLYSMOKE?
A: HOLYSMOKE is Fidonet's only non-denominational, uncensored religion
debate echo. Debates such as fundies vs athists can be conducted
here without danger of loosing your feed, like in other areas such
as HOLY_BIBLE or any other "christian" echo.
3.2 Q: Why was HOLYSMOKE created?
A: The moderator (Styx Allum) originally started the echo as a joke on
some local fundies. It took off from there.
3.3 Q: What kind of behavior is alowed here?
A: Most anything, including flames. One thing that will get you
booted is modification of other people's quotes. If somebody says
fuck and you quote them and change 'fuck' to 'f***' or some other
variation, you will be clobbered. Check the rules (posted on an
ad-hoc basis by the moderator) for more information.
3.4 Q: Are "flames" allowed?
A: Flames are EXPECTED. You will be treated with respect and courtesy
if you extend it. The most valuable contributors, who provide
references to what they say, are very seldom flamed -- if you don't
like flames, stick to posting what you know or can validate.
Saying "Because I say so," "Because I was told so" or reading
'PROOF' where someone wrote 'EVIDENCE' will turn you medium-rare.
A: It, seriously, depends on how you look at it. There are times when
a "polite" discourse just doesn'tget the message across. Then, the
board between the eyes to get your attention works. [Dan Ceppa]
.4.1 Q: Will argument from authority get me flamed?
A: Depends on the authority, and if you keep all quotes in context and
content. Claiming that several bright people support your
assertions therefore your assertions are true DOES NOT make it so.
Don't quote an astronomer on issues of biology, and a biologist on
cosmology-- which is standard Creationist tactics-- because you
will get roasted. Saying "Einstein believed in God (he didn't)
therefore you should" will also get you roasted-- bright people CAN
and DO believe silly things; just because someone is well educated
in one field does not make hir an expert in other fields.
.4.2 Q: Will poor spelling get flamed?
A: Often we see theists who mix up "Their, there, and they're," "Too,
to, and two," "atheist" as "athiest," and "your" for "you're." They
then in that very same message proclaim to reveal the secrets of
God, the Universe, Life and all the Really Great Questions humans
have pondered for a dozen millennia-- somehow a crappy speller
telling us they know what no one else does just doesn't seem
likely. If one does not know the difference between "Their" and
"they're" worth a Goat Belch, isn't it rather PRETENTIOUS for one
to be telling us all about how much one knows about god and the
universe?!
3.5 Q: Why is the phrases "You seem bitter" and "My, you're so full of
anger" so often used by religionists in HolySmoke?
A: These phrases are often used as replies to excessively abrasive
arguments by an agnostic or atheist that has demonstrated the
religionist's pet assertions false; the religionist resorts to
eliciting an emotional response instead of addressing the topic at
hand.
A: You may be missing the point. The people who are ridiculed (as it
were) are not those who profess a simple belief in a creator; they
are those who insist their beliefs are correct and we MUST ALL bow
down before GOD before we all roast in Hell. Then there are those
who make ridiculous claims about the veracity of their "Book" and
attempt to use pseudo-science to "prove" they are right. As for
myself, I could care less who a person worships, although I usually
strongly disagree with their intent. As a secular student of
biblical times, I have learned a lot about what Christianity was
really all about (IMHO) and what life was like in first-century
Judah. Personally, I feel those who take the Bible literally and
those who follow Pauline thought should study more, and attempt to
understand what was REALLY going on! By far the biggest problem
though, are those who insist I should pay to support their
religion. Our city supports a separate school system for
Catholics, and the duplication of services and buildings costs
every one of us. There are many examples of religion being pushed
on those who do not wish it. We who do NOT wish to have anything
to do with religion must suffer through innumerable disturbances
from people who insist their religion should be in the forefront.
THOSE are the people who are the targets of ridicule in this echo!
[John Musselwhite]
3.6 Q: What is a `fundi'? (Also, fundy, fundies)
A: FUNDIE (fun'dee) n. and adj. (pl. Fundies), A member of an
American conservative religious movement that believes in biblical
inerrancy. This movement had its roots in the nineteenth-century
orthodox reaction to the higher (historico- literary) criticism of
the Bible that originated among European theologians and was
accepted by American "modernists". Fundamentalism owes its name to
the "Five Fundamentals", a list of five beliefs that the
Presbyterian General Assembly drew up in 1910 as being essential to
the Christian faith. Among those fundamentals was the doctrine
of biblical inerrancy.
Fundies (scientifically: Homo nesciens idiotus) come in two
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varieties; (about more later) but are united by the belief that
each and every word ("jot and tittle") of the Holy Writ (at least,
their latest authorized version) is unequivocally true. When they
find a text convenient to an argument, it is quotable as the
ultimate truth. But when confronted with an apparent
contradiction, however rational and logical, they sail away upon
the wings of a symbol, an analogy of hidden or recondite
significance.
Although two separate and distinct "kinds" of fundies exist,
(H.n.i. var. ruralensis and H.n.i. var. urbanensis), they can be
typically identified by their ubiquitous possession of a heavily
thumped (but seldom read) Bible; an almost cataleptic and
unquestioned adherence to dated dogma and the extraordinarily
annoying ability of being able to interject their own personal
version of ethics and morality into almost any subject, no matter
how abstruse. As a group, they are exasperatingly uni-dimensional.
H.n.i. var. ruralensis can be typified as a backwoods rustic
living among the 'possums, 'coons, 'dillos and magnolias who is
functionally illiterate. Though some may become transplanted to
more municipal settings; they stubbornly adhere to old habits:
mouth breathing, barefootedness and brainless Bible-based bleating.
A macroevolutionary jump (although most would argue that it is
really a regressive event) is responsible for the other variety:
H.n.i. var. urbanensis. They arose from their humbler cousins in
the deep, dark, dank backwoods but have evolved to exploit the
trophism of bright lights, television cameras, teleprompters and
wireless communication. Basically, a member of this group can be
described as a country bumpkin of the wacko-right turned religious
zealot and usually named Billy, Jimmy, Oral or some other familiar
sobriquet. They drape the mantle of Christian piety around their
shoulders (which they carefully interweave with the American
flag), and stomping off on a witch hunt; ferret out "fellow
travelers", "one-worlders", that archenemy of all right thinking
people: the "secular humanist", and other assorted bogeymen. With
a primitive view of this world and a psychedelic view of the next,
they harangue lost sinners (and those with the ability to think for
themselves) in an impassioned and declamatory style to "REPENT!"
and be born again. Ranting and raving; and spouting smoke, fury,
fire, brimstone and stained glass blather; they pace whatever
stage they can usurp like a whirling dervish with a caffeine
addiction. The venue may change, but the song always remains the
same.
Usually, such narrowly unspecialized organisms as the ones cited
above represent an evolutionary dead-end. In these cases, though,
it is more of a U-turn. [Marty Leipzig]
A: Fundy is short for a combination of two words emerging from the
same Latin root, _fundus_ (bottom), from whence _fundare_ (to lay
the bottom). The English _fundament_ refers to 1. the buttocks.
2. the anus. Religious extremists, who do their thinking with
these organs, practice _fundamentalism_: 1. orthodox religious
beliefs based on a literal interpretation of the Bible. 2. Among
some American Protestants, the movement based on this belief:
opposed to _modernism_. [Don Martin]
3.7 Q: "Why is everyone picking on me?"
A: Chances are, you deserve it. When someone asserts wild and
baseless claims, and then insists that others believe these claims,
one may expect a little heat. Some assertions that generate heat:
"My book was written by god because it says so, and god wouldn't
lie." "God hates such-and-such." "God loves such-and-such." "I'll
pray for you, you stupid ignorant gibbering idiot pitiful
atheists."
.7.0 Q: "Why is everyone attacking me? I'm only giving you the Good News"
A: Look. You don't see it as being offensive, or pushing, or whatever,
[to preach at us] but then *you* aren't the one being offended, are
you. Think of it in these terms: you are not the one who decides
whether or not someone else wants to hear about your religious views.
Indeed, the other person may have very well-formed and solid
religious views of their own. And your rather rude insistence on
discussing your religion and why that other person should start
*following* your religion is offensive. Understand? Its not the
content of the message which is offensive. Its the assumption that
you, as a Christian, have some sort of universal permission to ram
that message down our throats that makes us mad at you. [Jack Butler]
.7.1 Q: Everyone is calling me a bigot because I stand for Christ! [Oh,
PLEASE drive those nails in harder!]
A: Incorrect. Anyone who discriminates based on prejudice or other
unreasoned foundation is labelled 'bigot'. If blacks were known to
be rampant killers with no sense of the value of life, you would
not be a bigot to be afraid of them, or to point out that they need
to be controlled.
However, blacks are not rampant killers. Indeed, the only
distinguishing feature, as a group compared to whites as a group,
is their skin pigmentation - hardly a worthy basis for fearing or
controlling them.
You see? Someone who discriminates against blacks simply because
they are black is a bigot - the discrimination is entirely
unwarranted.
Many Christians are shown to be bigots by the words and their
actions. They discriminate against gays, against people who have
sex before marriage, against women, against scientists. All of
that discrimination is based on - and please make very careful note
of this - ***nothing*** more than their personal choice to adopt a
belief system of which such discrimination is an inherent part.
You can't point to God. You can't show that he exists. There is
asbolutley nothing in all of observed reality which even hints at
any deity, let alone a specific deity. The only way to adopt the
belief in such a being is *purely* by personal choice. You choose
to adopt a belief of discrimination and hatred.
Can you see now why disliking Christians, or more accurately the
Christian dogma, is not necessarily bigotry, but rather is a sane
and rational response to a very real threat? [Kelsey Bjarnason]
3.8 Q: What is "Crucifixation?"
A: A state of mental duress, usually inside a fundamentalist Christian
brain, that admires blood, guts, suffering, agony, drinking blood
of God and eating His body, and usually wishes to be crucified and
martyred hirself. This fixation prevents those afflicted with it
to question why Jews would crucify a heretic in the Roman fashion,
when death by stoning was the preferred method of disposing of sons
of Gods.
3.9 Q: What is the "Flood Of Ignorance?"
A: This is a reference to the so-called global flood 'theory'
presented by biblical literalists.
3.10 Q: What is "One Nation Under God?"
A: The state of theocratic opression that fundamentalists desire to
impose on the country in which they reside.
3.11 Q: What is a "Creationist?"
A: One who believes that the earth was created in six days, exactly as
told in the bible. Such people always fail to notice the two
different creation accounts contained in Genisis 1:x and 2:x.
3.12 Q: What's this "IHS!" thing?
A: This can mean a great many things! It was originally coined by a
HolySmoke Regular to mean "In His Service!" though it is not clear
just who "His" may be. Usual variations may mean "I'm Happy
Stupid!" SHIt backwards, "I'm Helping Satan!" "In Hitler's
Service!" "I Hate Science!" "Idiot Has Spoken!" "I heat sausage!"
"I Hate Spam!" and others far too numerous to mention. The most
common usage in HOLYSMOKE means "BULLtIHS!" The original meaning is
"In Hoc Signum Vincit," referring to the Christian crucifix as "By
this sign we conquer." [OBSOLETE]
3.13 Q: What is a "Not Real True