God Damned Fundies!

|From: Brian Kolacy
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  legend
|Date: 06 Feb 96  20:10:00
EID:bb41 2046a140

MSGID: 1:272/99 00166a9d
(On 02-03-96 Michael Hardy replied to Katherine Wintersnight)

MH> At most, that gives 10-12 years for myth-makers to create an entire
MH>set  of supernatural happenings centered around a recently dead local
MH> person, AND invent an entire cast of supporting characters, many of
MH> whom were portrayed as still alive and present, and somehow make
MH>people  believe the myth.

Shakespeare is just as believable, and much more prolific. 10-12 years 
is a long time, Mike.

MH> Furthermore, scholars have dated the composition of the three
MH>synoptic  gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) within a range of a.d. 40
MH>to a.d. 80  or so, with liberal scholars opting for later dates and
MH>conservative  scholars opting for earlier ones, in most cases. John's
MH>gospel is  variously dated anywhere from a.d. 60 to a.d. 100.

30 years is a long time Mike.  Certainly long enough to come up with the 
few pages of myth you revere so much.  

MH> Even at the latest dates, though, a maximum of fifty years passes
MH> between Jesus's death and the completion of all three synoptic
MH>gospels.  Because the gospels were first used by existing faith
MH>communities, the  material in them must be older than the final
MH>written versions.

So, you don't think your scholars took that into account when they dated 
your myths?  Where did you get your ThD?  You seem to base your dates on 
the earliest estimates, and then propose to push them back a few more 
years?  Stick with the scholars, Mike, you're out of your league.  

MH> The Book of Acts, meanwhile, purports to chronicle the development
MH>of  the early church, and because Luke (its author) often refers to
MH>"we,"  indicating he personally was involved in some of the events,
MH>Acts must  have been written within the lifetime of Peter. (Unless
MH>it's a complete  fiction, but few of even the most liberal scholars
MH>would take that  view.)

MH> Since Luke wrote his gospel prior to Acts, we can conclude that
MH>Peter  and other close associates of Jesus were alive when Luke wrote
MH>his  gospel. And since Luke is generally thought to be the latest of
MH>the  three synoptics, obviously the close witnesses were also alive
MH>when  Matthew's and Mark's gospels were first circulating. These two
MH>gospels  first circulated among the very people who would be most
MH>likely to have  known Jesus -- the Jews in and around Jerusalem.

MH> That means that there simply is no opportunity for significant
MH> legend  to creep into the story.

Sure there is!  Your authors have plenty of *older* legend to draw upon!  
Take Mithra, for example.  Predate your legends by 500 centuries, and 
yet seem *awfully* similar.  Try again Mike.  Maybe the croutons next 
time.

MH> In most legends, centuries pass
MH>between the  historical base and the development of the legend. While
MH>it's possible  that a saying attributed to Jesus might have been
MH>invented, or a story  of a healing might have been added, it can't be
MH>said that the  invention of a story of a resurrection or the
MH>invention of an entire  cast of characters is plausible. While the
MH>events seem distant in time  and place to us, to the first people who
MH>heard about it, it had  happened recently and nearby.

Resurrection stories are a lot older than your myth 'tho.  All one would 
have to do is adapt the myth to fit ones needs, add a few local 
characters to make things seem fresh, and you've got a best seller on 
your hand.

MH> (In fact, the scholars who assign the later dates to the gospel
MH> accounts usually do so at least partly because they assume there
MH>*is*  significant legend in them, and argue for a date that allows as
MH>much  time as possible for legend to develop. They base their
MH> conclusions on their assumptions, not on any external evidence. And
MH>the largely  ignore the Pauline evidence.)

MH> None of this proves the gospels are true, of course. It does,
MH>though,  give the honest critic a significant challenge. (And too few
MH>critics  are all that honest, sad to say.)

Maybe you should be a little more critical and honest yourself, Mike.  
Look beyond your book and apply some of the logical thinking you seem 
almost capable of.  You have at least provided me with a few minutes of 
amusement:)

Cheers!
      Brian C. Kolacy

brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/

... Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere! 

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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  bats/birds
|Date: 06 Feb 96  20:10:00
EID:3545 2046a140

MSGID: 1:272/99 00166aa9
(On 02-03-96 Michael Hardy replied to Sue Alexander)

MH> JS> So? What has that to do with the BIble being
MH> JS> contradictory...just because it doesn't agree with man's ideas
MH> JS> means nothing to me.

MH> Actually, one need not be as dogmatic as BroJim to bat this bird out
MH>of  the ballpark.

MH> The simple fact is, according to Strong's Hebrew/Greek Concordance,
MH>the  word translated "birds" in this passage does not explicitly mean
MH>"bird"  at all. It means things that fly.

What do the *other* concordances say, Mike?

Cheers!
      Brian C. Kolacy

brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/

... Jesus Christ: Imaginary Playmate to Millions of Adults! 

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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  scientists
|Date: 06 Feb 96  20:10:00
EID:e3a6 2046a140

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(On 02-03-96 Michael Hardy replied to Shelby Sherman)

M H>-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Jose Gomez <=-

MH> SS> I don't know what library you go to, but I don't think that any
MH> SS> legitimate scientists explains our existence via a creator.

MH> Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D. in astronomy from University of Toronto.
MH> Christain.

MH> Dr. Gerald Schroeder, Ph.D. in physics from MIT. Jewish.

MH> Dr. John Polkinghorne, president of Queen's College, Cambridge and
MH> former professor of mathematical physics. Christian.

MH> Dr. Lane Lester, Ph.D. in genetics from Perdue. Christian.

MH> Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Ph.D. in genetics from U. of Texas.
MH> Dr. Christian.

MH> J.P. Moreland, whose doctoral degrees are in theology and
MH>philosophy,  holds an undergraduate degree in chemistry from USC.
MH>Christian.

MH> These are the ones that I have books by and can look up their
MH> credentials. I'm aware of many others, but I don't have immediate
MH> access to their bios.

MH> Note that all of these have their credentials from secular
MH> universities. I would say they are all legitimate scientists who
MH> believe a Creator is necessary, or at least a viable hypothesis, to
MH> explain our existence.

Yet you describe most as Christians...Certainly you mean "scientists who 
believe the Christian God is necessary..."

MH> Unless you want to assert that their conclusion to that effect
MH> automatically disqualifies them. Which is simply a case of picking
MH> the arrows you like and drawing a target around them, defining the
MH> arrows other as misses simply because you don't like what they hit.

Puhleeze!  You must admit this undermines their credibility just a 
tad...

Cheers!
      Brian C. Kolacy

brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/

... I'd be a fundamentalist if I could just stop laughing. 

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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  Ha!
|Date: 06 Feb 96  20:10:00
EID:9b06 2046a140

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(On 02-03-96 Michael Hardy replied to Kevin D.)

MH> KDM> Real loving god, Jim.

MH> So what you're saying is, the eternal creator of the universe should
MH> have no standards for his children? He should let murderers and
MH>rapists  waltz on into heaven if they want to?

MH> Real just and righteous God you want there, Kevin.

And yet you admit that Dahmer could be a candidate for Heaven, as well 
as Hitler?  How 'bout Paul Hill?  Any predictions?

Cheers!
      Brian C. Kolacy

brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/

... If Jesus was a Jew, why does he have a Mexican name? 

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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  jerks
|Date: 06 Feb 96  20:10:00
EID:edbd 2046a140

MSGID: 1:272/99 00166acc
(On 02-04-96 Michael Hardy replied to David Dahl)


MH> What often happens is that skeptics hold us to an artificial
MH>standard.  For example, they may insist that love means the same
MH>thing as  indulgence, and then denounce as "unloving" Christians who
MH>insist that,  say, adultery is wrong.

Speaking of love Mikey, don't you think tht the concept of "Christian 
Love" (Love everyone, even the people you haven't met) cheapens and 
debases what love really is?  You can say that you "love" lots of 
people, including me, because your dogma demands it, but it's not really 
love.  If you think it is, I feel sorry for your wife and family...

Now...do you love me?

Cheers!
      Brian C. Kolacy

brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/

... Worship 3 gods for the price of 1... Christianity 

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|From: Aaron Boyden
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  CENSUS
|Date: 07 Feb 96  00:48:00
EID:10ce aa00e200
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PID: FM 2.2c.mL OC0000B3
 >  You're assuming, with no basis whatsoever, that vast
 > numbers of people
 >  would have to leave their homes. This was a society
 > when most people
 >  lived and died in their hometowns. Most likely, only
 > a few people would
 >  ever have to make the trip.

I think you're forgetting a few other facts about the times. The Empire had just been established, and the brutal wars of the late Republic had only just begun to die down.  In times when people were, admittedly, disinclined to move about of their own volition, they nonetheless tended to move in pretty large numbers to get away from wherever happened to be the war zone that year.  Thus, there's reason to think a lot of them wouldn't still be living in the same place they were born.


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|From: Aaron Boyden
|To:   Tom Hart
|Sub:  Allegory
|Date: 07 Feb 96  00:50:01
EID:10ce aa00e201
MSGID: 1:206/2720 1300a90c
PID: FM 2.2c.mL OC0000B3
 > And lastly, does anyone have a scientific explanation
 > for why people
 >    kling to superstition?

 >  * OLX 2.1 TD * Sigmund Freud - God = illusion of
 > magnified father figure

Freud thought himself a scientist, and as you note he had an explanation.  If you don't like his explanation, why do you cite it here?  If you do like it, why do you need another?


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|From: Aaron Boyden
|To:   Robert Jackson
|Sub:  Top 1995CE Contributors
|Date: 07 Feb 96  00:57:02
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 >         Come to think of it, there seems to be a need
 > for yet another
 >         HS list--which lists the potable of choice for
 > each poster.
 >         Then we can divide up the sheep from the
 > goats, as it were.

If you're offering to assemble such a list, the booze that I buy when I'm feeling like money isn't an issue is Warre's Late Bottled Porto.


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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  Him
|Date: 07 Feb 96  00:16:05
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Lynda and Michael were killing time yakking about Him:

 MH> Yes, but it's also the same one who could honestly say "Whoever has
 MH> seen me has seen the Father." Don't let it go to your head. :)
 
 LB> *sigh*  I would like to know where in my response you see any
 LB> indication of it going to my head.

 MH> Sigh yourself. It was a JOKE, Lynda. See the smiley? JOKE, nothing
 MH> else.

Okay.  A friendly correction *could* have ended here, but....

 MH> Don't be so sensitive.

You chose the one phrase I specifically asked you not to pull on me ever again.
I'll tell you what, I'll be less sensitive when you become more humorous.
:)    <------  There.  A smiley so you dare not take that as anything but a
jest.



Lynda Bustilloz      bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "I'm too frail and sensitive for this." -- Crow T. Robot

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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   Norbert Sykes
|Sub:  One God not three
|Date: 06 Feb 96  23:44:49
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Norbert Sykes wrote in a message to Brad Jackson:

 BJ> There is only One God, Not three!

 NS>  And his name is One God?  How about Two God, Infinite God, or
 NS> Negative  Number God?

Nupe!  No good.  Their myth-gawd is from a fundy camp.  Hence, he can't do the math.


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|From: Steve Rose
|To:   Norbert Sykes
|Sub:  Fundy Follies!
|Date: 06 Feb 96  23:39:45
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Norbert Sykes wrote in a message to Steve Rose:

 SR> To be burned in the fireplace here...helping to get through this cold
 SR> snap! 

 NS>  Well, I suppose the pages are too crinkly to use in the
 NS> bathroom... 

Yikes!!  Babble-ink on the hemorrhoids!  The horror......the horror....


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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Many Gods
|Date: 07 Feb 96  17:50:54
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1311d1a7
PID: FM 2.02
bj> Maybe I should not have said that I feel sorry for you,
bj> because it is your chose not to believe in Jesus.

And I'm sure that Wiccans pity you for not believing in the Goddess.

bj> I myself have a hard time understanding why people don't believe in God!

That's because you're ignorant and a superstitious fool incapable of reason. Since there is no evidence for the existance of any deities, the lack of belief in deities signifys reason.

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Many Gods
|Date: 07 Feb 96  17:53:47
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1311d1a8
PID: FM 2.02
 > I myself have a hard time understanding why people don't believe in God!

I myself have a hard time understanding why people don't believe in Odin!

 > Maybe you could be nice enough to explain it to me?

Maybe you would be nice enough to explain your lack of faith to me.

 > He has done so much in my life and for others I know.

Odin has done so much for so many people; he can do much for you, Brad.

 > Has something happened to you to make your heart so Hard?

Why do you hate Odin so much?  What has he ever done to you?

 > God Bless you Hector.

Odin bless your path, Brad.  I hope some day you wake up and save yourself from yourself.

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub:  Staal's myths have two conflicting geneologies, though.
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:01:33
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515caba
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 31171333
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Very interesting.  I cross posted it to MYTHOLOGY and saved a copy.

gtp> Cool.  Hmmmm....no, I DON'T have time to read another echo. 

  Neither do I.  }:-}  I've been extracting stuff from MYTHOLOGY, though, and posted several things.

FR> The Jesus myth, though, had two contradictory geneologies.

gtp> However, if you consider Joseph Jesus's father, then a genealogy for
gtp> both parents would be appropriate....especially IF Jesus could traced
gtp> directly back to David on both sides of the family.  That would make him
gtp> doubly the "new king".

But not the one that was promised.  His name was _supposed_ to be Immanual.

~*~  Forgive him, Father. He knows not what he does. - Clayton Davis
     I am =NOT= your father! You're someone else's bastard. - David Rice

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Staal lacks even One
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:03:23
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cabb
PID: FM 2.02
> I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
> There is only One God, Not three!

FR> If you have evidence for the existance of _any_ deities, how about
FR> shareing  it?  It seems rather selfish to hold it all to yourself, you
FR> know.

bj> I have lots of evidence, it is called the King James Bible.

I was asking for evidence for the existance of your deity constructs, not a reference to an unscientific book of anonymous forgeries.

Have any?  Any at all?

~*~  You mean... fundy's are HUMAN??? I thought they were part of some
     government funded genetic experiment to test the limits of stupidity..
     - Drew Webber

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  One Staal
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:04:31
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cabc
PID: FM 2.02
bj> I truly feel sorry for you, because you don't believe in Jesus!!

FR> I'm truely sorry for you because you don't believe in Odin.
FR> No difference, Brad.

bj> Ok Fredric, I have already said sorry for writing that statement.

No you're not.  You're a fundy who is sorry he can't hide his ignorance and superstition.  You also should be embarrassed that you're so easilly debunked.

~*~  ... In Jesus Christ name I bind all evil sprits off of this echo NOW.
     - Steve Willis
     I am an Evil Spirt.  I'm still unbound.  Your little spell didn't work.
     - J. J. Hitt

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Brad Jackson
|Sub:  Thinking
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:08:49
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cabd
PID: FM 2.02
bj> As I read my bible today, I was reminded of a Psalm 23.

FR> It would probably help you to think for yourself, you know.

bj> Well, Fredric I would like to pose a question to you!

While ignoreing everyone elses' questions.  That's typical of fundy cultism.

bj> Would you say that there are more people in this world that
bj> don't believe in God?

The fictional deity constructs you mistakenly label with a capitalization are in the minority on Earth.  Even though your fictional constructs are in the minority, the fact that they are not evidenced doesn't detract from the number of ignorants who pretend to believe in them.

bj> Do you think that more people don't
bj> believe that the bible is the word of God?

The classical Chridstanic mythologies are known myths.  Most Christanics understand that the myths are myths.  Reguardless, the number of people who believe that the classical Christanic mythologies are the words of deities are in the minority.  reguardless, the fact that deity constructs are not evidenced doesn't detract from the number of ignorants who pretend to believe in them.

Again, try thinking for yourself next time.

Thanks.

~*~  It's easy to understand "the Holocaust," with jews like goldberg.
     - John Prentiss

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal also has great Ignorant of history
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:11:33
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cabe
REPLY: 1:271/460 31174d53
PID: FM 2.02
km>> Who conducted the Crusades?
km>> Who conducted the Inquisitions?
km>> Who conducted the Witch hunts?

FR> Christians, clown.  Perhaps you should actually learn the origins of
fr> the Christanic death cult, Ken, then perhaps you could find the
fr> courage to escape it.  Hatred and bigotry is an ideological baseline
fr> for Christianity -- as you well know.  Stop pretending otherwise.

km> OK, let's be more specific Fred, which church conducted
km> the Crusades, the Inquisitions and the witch hunts?

The Christanic death cult, silly.  Weren't you paying attention?  For centuries Christanics slaughtered millions upon millions of innocent people, sacrficing them to their death gods.  This hatred and bigotry still exists today through the broad spectrum of Christanic brad names.

Pretending Christanics aren't "true" Christanics is an evil lie that Christians are taught to mouth to themselves.  They can't fool their intellectual superiors.

Look at your own hatred, Ken, and note that the death cult you joined has a history that fits you.

~*~  If Jesus were born today, He'd surely refuse to become a Christian - Ken

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:13:06
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cabf
REPLY: 1:271/460 31174efe
PID: FM 2.02
FR> The classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that if you
FR> actually believe in the occult you will not be sick or die reguardless
fr> of what you drink.  Since you don't actually believe in the occult,
fr> you're unwilling to take the test because you know you're only
fr> pretending to believe.

km> The very same Bible that says that you will not be sick or die
km> regaurdles of what you drink also says that you are not suppose
km> to tempt the Lord thy God.

You are not "temping" your deity constructs when it's _you_ who are instructed by your very own mythologies to drink.  We know that you won't drink because you know you're a false Christian -- you only pretend to believe and you try to excuse your lack of belief as "temping" your deity constructs.

Either drink it or admit you're a fraud.

~*~  Are you really this stupid, or is your medication wearing off?
     - David Rice

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:14:24
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cac0
REPLY: 1:271/460 31174fa9
PID: FM 2.02
FR> You're not being "tempted."  You're being asked to prove that you
fr> actually believe in your occult mythologies.  Since you refuse to
fr> drink it, you're admitting that you're not really a believer.

km> Ask to prove, but to the test, tempted.

Nope, the classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that you may drink poison and live.  It doesn't say anything about weaseling out of having to admit you don't believe in the myths.

~*~  If I'm an atheist, does that mean that I won't go to heaven?
     - Rodney Matejek

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:15:44
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cac1
REPLY: 1:271/460 3117512d
PID: FM 2.02
km>> So tell me Fred, if I drink poison, who (according
km>> to the scriptures) is going to protect me?

FR> According to your mythologies, your FAITH will protect you.  Since you
FR> don't believe in your death cult deity constructs, you know it will
fr> kill you.

km> According to the scriptures, I am not suppose to tempt the Lord.

Straw man inasmuch as your fictional deity constructs aren't being "temped." Your mock faith is being tested and, of course, you're a gutless coward who knows that you're not faithful enough to survive.

That's why you're trying to wiggle off the hook.  It's a good thing your deity constructs don't exist otherwise they would punish you for your lack of faith.

~*~  "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
     maintaining a free civil government.  This marks the lowest grade
     of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders
     will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
     - Thomas Jefferson, to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Mark 16:15-18.  Shall Staal pour?
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:17:06
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cac2
REPLY: 1:271/460 3117522c
PID: FM 2.02
km>> Actually Fred it says "and if they drink any deadly thing,
km>> it shall not hurt them;". "IF" Fred not "may".

FR> Yet you're afraid to test the fact because you know it _will_ hurt you.
FR> In fact if you were willing to drink something at the start of the
FR> HolySmoke Convention, I can assure you it will kill you.

km> Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.

Your fictional deity constructs belong to you.  Don't try to give alpha male fictional constructs to your intellectual superiors, Ken.  In any event, your attempts to pretend that your fictional constructs are being tested when it's YOUR FAITH that's being debunked is a Christanic lie.

Either drink up or admit you're a fraud, Ken.

~*~  Blah Blah Blah... Teach religion to child I think is different
     than sodomizing them. - Joe Savelli

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal won't drink it either
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:18:10
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cac3
REPLY: 1:271/460 31175244
PID: FM 2.02
km>> Understand, I only recognize ONE God.
FR> You don't believe in any deity constructs otherwise you would drink.

km> Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.

Once again you pretend to give everyone your sodomite deity construct fantasies when it is _YOU_ who are being asked to prove your faith.

What's the matter, Ken?  Are you embarrassed that there's something wrong with your mythologies?

~*~  Even if she WAS going to beam me aboard her spaceship and make a
     present of me to her leather-clad butch dyke master to vivisect me like
     a lab rat for her species' tests and her sadistic pleasure, any friend
     is better than none. - David Rice

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub:  Staal would make a good Hitler too
|Date: 11 Feb 96  22:19:23
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 1515cac4
REPLY: 1:271/460 3117526f
PID: FM 2.02
km>> Hitler was not a Christian.

FR> The embarrassing truth debunks you:

FR>     "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
FR>     as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,

[...lengthy cuts...]

km> His very own words show that he is was not a Christian.

His very works evidence him a TRUE Christian.  You didn't even read them because you're just to embarrassed to admit to yourself that the Christanic death cult is worthy of the history it has.

And you joined the death cult.  Guess what that makes you.

~*~  Hey, man, that's straight from satan's hell. - Phil Morrison

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Michael Hardy
|Sub:  YHWH Staal
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:05:51
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8a
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89174381
PID: FM 2.02
HP> Is the bible wrong, are they not "really" trying, or was whoever wrote
HP> what Jess supposedly said -- shudder -- _wrong_?

 > How do you know they don't find it? Neither you nor I knows what
 > happens to them after they die. Perhaps God -- being a fair and
 > merciful God -- makes everything clear to them on the other side and

Before you can demand what your deity constructs do and what they don't do, you must present evidence for the existance of your deity constructs.

Thanks in advance.

~*~  Picking my favorite Christian is like picking my
     favorite debilitating disease >> - David Worrell

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark Staal
|Sub:  DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:06:40
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8b
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b07
PID: FM 2.02
FR> @MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 0e1221b7
FR> I am too low, help me do it patiently.
FR> 

Greetings, Jim!  You fucked up again, bigot.

~*~  First we'll spank your big behinds.. then we'll
     twist your little minds... - Styx

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark staal
|Sub:  Get over it!
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:07:36
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b08
PID: FM 2.02
LB> thoughts are my own. Your thoughts, on the other hand are shared by
LB> Lon, Lump, Da Facts, and whoever else is crawling around in your
LB> imagination -- little wonder why no single persona can come up with a
LB> complete idea!

js> ...Um, Linda, don't try to make it seem like my
js> thiughts are controlled by Jimmy, they are all
js> my own no matter how stupid they may seem to you
js> people...

Your problem, Jim, is getting off your medication.  You wouldn't be experiencing a fragmentation of personality so much were you to resume your medication program.

~*~  I tried thinking before, and I almost fell into the same mess YOU
     are now in. - Joanna Amren (Defending Christanic Creationism myths)

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark Staal
|Sub:  Jim Staal
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:08:20
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8d
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b09
PID: FM 2.02
SA> Armey/Shelby's plan is 17%.  I downloaded the form from the White
SA> House. Are you complaining about lower taxes?  I presently pay 27.8% of
SA> my annual income to Uncle Sam.

js> Aww, try paying in 36.9% once,then come and cry in my ear.....

How much of your money goes to the death cult you joined, Jim?

~*~  I'm so ugly I could make a buzzard throw up. - David Rice, HolySmoke

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark staal
|Sub:  Jim Staal
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:08:53
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8e
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b0a
PID: FM 2.02
JS> Perhaps, but he has modified Lump's to make them appear as though I
JS> had posted them.

DW> Isn't lying a sin? Fred never modified Lump's *posts* either. He
DW> simply attributed them to the person who actually wrote them. The

js> ....WRONG DUFUS! I WROTE THEM....

He just said you did, silly!

~*~  Who needs a mind when one has a bible? - David Rice

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark Staal
|Sub:  Laughter at Lumpy Staal
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:10:57
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b8f
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b0b
PID: FM 2.02
Sue Alexander

Lu> ......Uhh...'bout twice that....so it musta been yo Momma....
Lu> BTW, she still doing the freek show at the circus?...Oh, that's
Lu> right, you don't live at home anymore...

SA> Funny, your writing looks like you are about 14
SA> and posting from a "teen chat" board....

js>   "Funny,
js> your writing looks like.......".

Sue is simply trying to help you, Jim.  Don't get upset just because someone trys to help you.

~*~  What is more important to you, the basis of ethics or that they exist?
     - Simon Ewins

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|From: Fredric Rice
|To:   Mark Staal
|Sub:  Mark Staal the LUMP
|Date: 11 Feb 96  16:12:17
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 150f9b90
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 31122b0c
PID: FM 2.02
Lu> Hey, Steve, URA redneck if your family tree does not
Lu> branch.....or...if your wife's not on a chain and your wallet
Lu> is....or..if you go to family reunions just to meet women....or...if
Lu> a sign saying, "SAY NO TO CRACK", Reminds you to pull your pants
Lu> up....or...if you mow your lawn and you find your
Lu> car.....or.............well, I'm sure you know all the rest....

Yes, I would place you about 14 years old as well, Jim.

SA> Why don't you tell us more signs...you are obviously
sa> speaking from personal experience.

js> .....Buuurrrrr, I thought I felt a cold wind in here.....FRIGID....AIRE!

Your hatred of women indicates a deep-seated lack of self worth, Jim.

~*~Àÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿèè
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