God Damned Fundies!
|From: David Worrell
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:44:41
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04 Feb 96 22:09, Rob Burcham wrote to J.J. Hitt:
JH> DW>> You'll be amazed at all the Cro-Magnons that come out of
JH> DW>> the woodwork.
JH>> I was under the distinct impression that the current version
JH>> of humanity was the Cro-Magnon. Did they finally come out with
JH>> Humans95 while I wasn't watching?
RB> I'm a member of Humans 3.11, myself. (Humans for Workgroups)
Hell, I'm a member of Humans 1.0. I don't multitask very well and I don't
get along well with more than one other human at a time.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:35:51
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06 Feb 96 08:17, Andrew Masten wrote to Frederick Leff:
AM> God is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
Tell it to Job.
AM> God loves unconditionally.
Tell it to the Israelites who suffered through various captivities because
they
AM> He is just.
Tell it to all the unborn children killed when Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed.
AM> But He is merciful.
Tell it to all the unborn children killed in the flood.
AM> He knows the future as if it already happened.
Yet he didn't know that the serpent would trick Eve into eating the fruit
of the tree.
AM> He is not a man that He should lie.
Then why hide the evidence for the flood?
AM> He changes not.
You obviously haven't read that Bible very carefully. He goes through a
remarkable change somewhere between the end of the OT and the start of the
NT.
AM> There is none beside him.
Who'd want to be beside the murdering bastard? I wouldn't want to be on
the same continent with him.
AM> Our wisdom is His folly.
Do you consider the cures that we've discovered (our wisdom) for many of
the diseases that plagued manking throughout history to be folly?
AM> Our strength is His weakness.
How can an omnipotent being have any weaknesses at all.
AM> His ways are not our ways.
Damn right. We don't go around slaughtering people out of hand, as a rule.
AM> His thoughts are not our thoughts.
I'm glad not to share any thoughts with a being who would send a bear to
maul children just because they made fun of a bald-headed prophet.
AM> He has a sense of humor.
Job really got a kick out of God's sense of humor, didn't he?
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|From: Laats Mij
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: toodles...
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:59:31
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07 Feb 96 20:58, Steve Quarrella wrote to Judith Bandsma:
JB>> Any side bets as to how many different new names will soon start
JB>> popping up?
SQ> Ones we never dreampt imaginable, I expect.
How'd you guess?
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 08 Feb 96 06:52:03
EID:e595 20483680
PID: OLMS 2.53p [ERSBN55C]
MSGID: 1:135/71.0 1408a712
TID: GE 1.11+
Quoting SUE ARMSTRONG to JESSE JONES on 02-04-96
SA> MB>Or do you deny that we have these social problems and civil
SA> MB>rights violations in this country?
SA> JJ> You know well that I do not deny the social problems and civil
SA> JJ> right violations we have had in this country. Comparing Reno to
SA> JJ> Stalin, however, is sick, and you know it. Do you deny that
SA> JJ> the Bill of Rights is the single most valuable document adopted
SA> JJ> by any government to protect the rights of human beings? Do
SA> JJ> you deny that the former Soviet Union did not protect any of
SA> JJ> those basic human rights? This nation has far too-often failed
SA> JJ> to live up to those noble ideals, but they are still there as
SA> JJ> our standard, they are a wonderful standard, and they clearly
SA> JJ> distinguish this nation from the former Soviet Union.
SA>Actually, the constitution of the Soviet Union had some pretty
SA>noble language in it as well - I remember seeing excerpts from it
SA>a few years back.
I suppose you left it in your other jacket -- along with Joe
McCarthy's list of communists working for the State Department.
þ CMPQwk 1.42-R2 1319
Do you keep eating after finding dog hair in your pasta?
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 09 Feb 96 14:59:22
EID:d1b0 311bb5d6
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311bb5d6
I still like the: "MARRIED, WILL CHEAT" area... [snort]
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Re: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:01:06
EID:81ff 311bb664
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311bb664
> Yikes!! Babble-ink on the hemorrhoids! The horror......the
> horror....
Oh, the HUMANITY! :)
BTW, unless it's an old bible, there is no need to worry because soy ink
won't hurt those o-so-tender places!
:)
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Re: Circular reasoning
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:03:04
EID:81ff 311bb740
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> He's a PREACHER!!?? That fully explains the exchange I
> had
> with him. I quoted a scripture where his gawd bragged about
> creating evil. He then actually QUOTED IT BACK TO ME, minus
> that one phrase "I created evil." Lynda chastized him for
> lying instead of addressing the issue I raised. I then
Actually, he quoted back to you the "cleaned-up" version where the word
*evil* is changed to a kinder, more-gentle (tm) word... The copy of the
Gideon Bible (which I procured from Wyoming, MI, Jim Staal's hometown) is
listed as "confusion" instead of "evil"...
Hugs!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: flood
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:06:23
EID:81ff 311bb795
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> DC> So, Martin Godberg, when did you become a deity?
>
> Depends on what kinda shit I'm smoking.
Ya gotta give up those incense cigarets! The resin will pickle ya!
Try clove! [cough]
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Re: In the service...
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:09:12
EID:81ff 311bb827
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311bb827
> On (02 Feb 96) Richard Morrison wrote to Karl Schneider...
>
> RM> US Navy // Construction
>
> I was not aware there was a Seabee unit in Missouri. My
> dad's stations
> were Adak and Port Hueneme.
Maybe he meant to say he was in *erection*? hehe
Hugs!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: I,M STILL HERE
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:10:20
EID:81ff 311bb8a0
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311bb8a0
> JB> tacky.
> JB> Want a job?
>
> I do! I do! I'm pretty good at spotting "tacky", too.
> I provide
> Mark Hogan as a reference - he knows me personally, and
> will
> concur that I am, indeed, tacky.
I was first! (pushing and shoving you aside)
Listen, honey (hands on hips, tapping foot) NO ONE is more tacky that I
am! [hehe]
Hugs!
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|From: Scot Bear
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Re: Thumb-sucking Evolungelical
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:15:54
EID:81ff 311bb9fc
MSGID: 1:154/69.0 311bb9fc
> Says who? And in what way am I "valuable"? I've no marketable
> skills, I make little money and so don't contribute much
> to the
> economy, I'm a misanthropic communist who has no interest
> in
> entering politics, and the only thing I'm even remotely
> good at
> is drawing cartoons that put the likes of you into apoplectic
> fits.
> I can't stand kids, can't cook, and hate cleaning so thus
> would
> never fit into the Christian stereotype of women being moms
> and
> housewives. So, in what way am I valuable to anyone or
> anything?
> Hell, at least bugs and plants are a part of the ecology.
> Can't
> honestly say the same about myself.
Darling! I'm home! Hell, if I was straight, you sound just like the woman
I would want to marry! {hmmmmmm...wonder what size hood you wear...} hehe
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 09 Feb 96 02:57:00
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Wednesday February 07 1996 00:46, Robert Jackson mumbled to ALL:
RJ> First he lays into BroJimmmy, then Mcabee...this is GREAT!
Robert,
Nice to know I'm known around here... Shame he couldn't come up with anything
new...
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 09 Feb 96 02:58:01
EID:4b49 20491740
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REPLY: 1:390/87.0 31196e73
Wednesday February 07 1996 00:44, Robert Jackson mumbled to Jose Gomez:
RJ> Then why didn't your god actually tell the entire world of
RJ> his plan?
God did reveal his plan to us, and the collection of that plan is what we
call today, the Holy Bible.
RJ> Why just that isolated little ministry that lasted
RJ> only three years, in a small province of the Roman Empire?
That was all he needed to prove to the Jews who he was. Remember the Bible?
It says to the Jews first and also to the Greek (meaning the rest of us).
RJ> Why not a worldwide manifestation of his "message"?
That is why Christ said before he left the earth, go into the world and
preach the Gospel.....
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: HI, Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:07:02
EID:2cb5 204918e0
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REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 130935fc
Wednesday February 07 1996 10:01, Fredric Rice mumbled to Damien Wellman:
MB>> Then how come Jehovah, in the first person, yet, bragged about
MB>> having created it (in Isaiah)?
SW>> Where does it say that Marilyn?
FR> Another Christanic doesn't even bother reading his mythologies.
dw>> Try reading this:
dw>> "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL:
dw>> I the LORD do all these things."
dw>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Isaiah 45:7
FR> A buck says the Christanic will demand you're "twisting god's words."
Fredric,
Very Good you've learned to read the Bible. Tell me how could we have something
to choose from if there was not a choose against. Yes, it is true that God
created all things. If you will believe that God created evil because of
this passage, then you must also believe what else was written in this passage.
How about Isaiah 45:5 "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is not
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"
Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:9 "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd
strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth
it, What makest thou? or thye work, He hath no hands?"
Isaiah 45:10 "Woe unto him that saith unto his father, Wht begettest thou?
or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?"
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth:
for I am God, and there is none else."
Or can you only read the scriptures so that you can twist them around?
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian blow jobs, Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:15:03
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Wednesday February 07 1996 10:05, Fredric Rice mumbled to Kevin D. Mckenzie:
BH>> CHRISTIAN HORIZONS
KW>> Looks fine to me. If the organization is owned and run by
KW>> christians why shouldn't they be able to choose who they
KW>> want as employees?
FR> But then Ken is a bigot.
Isn't that kinda like the pot calling the kettle burnt?
Definition of bigot....
A person who is utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or race that is
not his own.
Sounds an awful lot like some of the people I meet here that do not believe
in God.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: HEY, I'M NEW, Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:20:04
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Wednesday February 07 1996 10:27, Fredric Rice mumbled to Anthony Grigor-Scott:
FR> Why don't you and Al just do what every other Christanic cultist does
and
FR> kill each other, allowing your intellectual superiors to talk rationally
FR> among themselves?
Fredric,
Be happy to allow my intellectual superiors to talk rationally amongst themselves,
unfortunatly, I don't find any around here. The only "intellectual superiors"
I have are in heaven.....
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Free Jim Staal!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:22:05
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Wednesday February 07 1996 10:31, Fredric Rice mumbled to Dan Ceppa:
FR> I wonder if Jim Staal _can_ be freed from his hatred and bigotry. He
FR> doesn't seem to want to escape Christianity any more.
Fredric,
No true Christian would......
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Gods, not god, staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:22:06
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Wednesday February 07 1996 10:34, Fredric Rice mumbled to Christian Miller:
CM>> It's not very smart to worship a rock.
fr>> Whereas you worship paper.
FR> So much for your Christanic lie about fleeing this forum in fear.
cm>> How do I worship paper?
FR> You're not a Christian so you only pretend to worship paper.
Fredric,
From all that you've said to others and myself Fredric, specifically about
who was a Christian and what that so called Christian did, I doubt very
much if you would know a Christian if you fell over one.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: About Staal!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:24:07
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Wednesday February 07 1996 10:34, Fredric Rice mumbled to Christian Miller:
cm>> Here I thought no one loved me anymore! You guys are just
cm>> talking ABOUT me instead of TO me. Gee, I get left out of
cm>> my own conversations!!!
FR> We've figured out that you're not a Christian.
Fredric,
Another judgement by Fredric Rice. Let's see if it holds water on judgement
day....
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Staal also has great Ignorant of history
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:26:08
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Wednesday February 07 1996 12:49, Lynda Bustilloz mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
LB> Kenneth, I asked before, but what with Fido goofing off you may have
LB> missed it -- this isn't the first time you've said something like the
LB> above. Do you see, then, a possibility of salvation for nonchristians?
LB> On what basis would someone like Hitler (esp. if a nonchristian) be
saved?
Lynda,
I've said many times that being a Christian has nothing to do with being
saved. There are many saved people in the world that do nothing for Christ
at all. Just having salvation does not qualify you as a Christian, reading
a Bible, praying to God and going to a "Christian church" does not qualify
you as a Christian. So what then do I consider a Christian? A Christian
is someone who follows Christ, not just believes in him, but follows him.
How? By going into the world and preaching the gospel as Christ himself
taught us to do. By trying to live a life as Christ would have lived it.
For instance, in the case of Hitler, Christ would not have tried to wipe
out the Jews.....
However, salvation can only be had through the Lord Jesus Christ. "Jesus
saith unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto
the father, but by me." John 14:6 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that
heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
and shall not come unto condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."
To answer how Hitler could have had salvation, the best way I can say it
is to present salvation itself.
1. You must know that you are a sinner. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned
and come short of the glory of God." It's being short of the glory of God
that keeps us out of heaven and away from God to start with.
2. Know that there is a price for the sin. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of
sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our
Lord." A wage is a price, someone must pay for the sins that you have in
your life. Just as with your rent or a car payment, someone else can pay
for them, but they must not have any sins themselves. That is why the only
way that we can go to heaven is through the gift of God, his Son.
3. Know that Jesus paid that price for you. Romans 5:8 "But God commandeth
his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for
us." That was the reason he came to earth, a sacrifice must be without blemish,
if you get someone else to pay for your sins, they must be without blemish.
Christ is the only one that ever died without sin so that others could live.
4. Jesus is the only way to have eternal life. Not through being good, not
through doing good things or good works, not through going to church every
Sunday, not through reading the Bible and praying everyday. Ephesians 2:8,9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it
is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast." Salvation
is only through faith. Just going to church every Sunday doesn't save you.
Being a good person doesn't save you. Doing good deeds doesn't save you.
The only thing that can save you is trusting Christ for salvation. There
are also a lot of people that believe about Christ but not in Christ. I
use this example at times. I have a 77 Plymouth. My dad lives 5 hours away,
I could believe that that car will make it to his house, but if I take my
Ford (just to be safe) am I really believing that the Plymouth would make
it? There are people that believe that they got saved but lost salvation
because they sinned again. There's no promise that we will not sin again,
but when Christ died, he died for all our sins, not just part of them. When
you accept Christ's payment for sins, you have to accept his payment for
all of them, not part of them.
5. All it takes is asking Jesus to save you from hell. Romans 10:13 "For
whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Not might
be, not he'll think about it, but shall (or will) be saved. A lot of people
including some of those that call themselves Christians, think there is
more to it than that, but there isn't.
So how could Hitler have been saved? He must have realized that he was a
sinner. He must have understood that because of those sins that he was going
to hell. He must have believed that Jesus died and paid that price for him.
He must have believed that it was Jesus alone, and not his good words that
could save him from hell. He must have asked Jesus to save him. How would
he have done that? With a prayer something like "Dear Jesus, I know I'm
a sinner and that I deserve hell. So I trust you Jesus, and you alone, to
pay my sin debt and take me to heaven. Amen". Hitler would have had to have
trusted Christ for salvation at some time in his life, that is the only
way that he could have been saved.
Once salvation is gained you have it forever. John 5:24 "Verily, verily,
I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent
me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is
passed from death unto life." So if you believe you gain everlasting life.
How long is everlasting? If something is everlasting can it ever end? If
one is passed from death unto life, can they ever die?
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: God's Word
|Date: 09 Feb 96 04:11:09
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Wednesday February 07 1996 19:46, Styx Allum mumbled to Brad Jackson:
>> SA> I said to read (both) chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis. Read chapter 2
>> SA> to see how it suddenly reverses to Adam first... THEN the animals.
>> SA> But don't pay the ferryman until he gets you to the other side.
:)
>> Well at your request I read both Chapters of Genesis. I don't
>> see the problem you are having with it. Please quote the verses
>> that you are having trouble with!
SA> By your command...
SA> GENESIS
SA> 1:24 And God said, Let the earth
SA> bring forth the living creature after
SA> his kind, cattle and creeping thing,
SA> and beast of the earth after his kind:
SA> and it was so.
SA> 1:25 And God made the beast of the
SA> earth after his kind, and cattle after
SA> their kind, and every thing that creepeth
SA> upon the earth after his kind: and God
SA> saw that it was good.
SA> 1:26 And God said, Let us make [editor's note: "us"? ]
SA> man in our own image, after our [editor's note: "our image"?!]
SA> likeness: and let them have dominion
SA> over the fish of the sea, and over
SA> the fowl of the air, and over the
SA> cattle, and over the earth, and over
SA> every creeping thing that creepeth
SA> upon the earth.
SA> 1:27 So God created man is his own
SA> image, in the image of God created
SA> for him; male and female be created
SA> them.
SA> [editor's note: Now that 1:24-1:27 defined the order of
SA> animal before man; let's proceed to 2:18-2:19]
SA> GENESIS
SA> 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is
SA> not good that the man should be alone;
SA> I will make him a help meet for him. [whoah. heavy grammar!]
SA> 2:19 And out of the ground the
SA> Lord God formed every beast of the
SA> field, and every fowl of the air;
SA> and brought them unto Adam to see
SA> what he would call them: and
SA> whatsoever Adam called every living
SA> creature, that was the name thereof.
SA> [doesn't look good for keeping things in chronological perspective,
SA> and diminishes credibility of the messenger. The story changed
SA> before even reaching the end of the second chapter.]
>> Or maybe you re-read them!
SA> Hey, it's right there in front of you. Read for yourself.
>> And remember to use the King James Version please.
>> Because some of the other version have parts missing.
SA> Or perhaps the King James version has parts ADDED.
SA> At any rate, you can see above that it contradicts itself.
The account in the second Chapter does not say that this is when God first
created them. "formed every beast of the field" notice the words of the
field? Means they were already there. "every fowl of the air" they were
already there too. So God created them out of the dust to show them to Adam
and to find out what Adam would call them. However it does not say formed
every beast for the field, or formed every fowl for the air does it? God
was showing them to Adam, not creating them for the first time.
SA> ref: 2:19
SA> What do you suppose Adam named Tyrannosaurus Rex? Triceratops?
SA> How do you suppose God brought deep sea anglerfish to Adam,
SA> that he give it a name? (it says "every living creature")
SA> [hint: Deep sea anglerfish burst upon rising to the ocean's surface]
Hint: A God that could create everthing could keep the anglerfish from bursting.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: I've found a Real, True Xtian
|Date: 09 Feb 96 04:20:10
EID:7389 20492280
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Wednesday February 07 1996 21:10, Norbert Sykes mumbled to David Worrell:
NS> (It's astounding to watch a Xtian slipping gears after you've just
NS> informed him that if it wasn't for Judas and Pilate, his religion
NS> wouldn't exist at all!)
Norbert,
Here's something to note, I believe that Pilate would have had salvation,
remember what he had placed above Christ? That he was the King of the Jews?
The Pharisee's tried to make him change it, but he refused.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Keith Pachulski
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE A
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:31:09
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TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0455
-> KD> As a feminist, it is impossible for me to accept a male god and
-> KD> savior.
->
-> the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the
-> so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God."
-> Gal 3:28. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor
-> there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
KP>I think I`m going to puke
-> And remember, after Jesus rose again, He did not first appear to P
-> whom He entrusted His church; or to John, the disciple He loved best
-> first appeared...first showed the Miracle, the Joy from beyond the w
-> of the world...to Mary Magdelene. Whom she called
-> "rabbi"...teacher...indicating that Jesus did not share the common J
-> belief in not teaching women higher spiritual matters (which makes t
-> idea of Jesus being an Essene laughable.) but instead would instruct
-> and all.
KP>Yeah, I`m going to.
-> And early Christianity was considered a "woman's religion" by the
-> pagans, much as some regard Wicca now. And the fact that Christians
KP>Wrong..check your facts...Wicca is not "considered" a female
religion.
-> not expose female children, as pagans often did, to die eventually
-> resulted into a more even male-female ratio, rather than the prepond
-> of males, as mentioned by nontheist hsitorian Robin Lane Fox.
-> Suppose I was convinced of the truth of the Wiccan beliefs, but re
-> to join it because it celebrates a Goddess and Cerrunnos serves a so
-> subsidiary position, and that the vast majority of practitioners are
-> priestesses? What opinion would you have of ME?
The vast majority are not priestesses...it is equally balanced. Before
you start babbling make sure you have your facts straight.
-> We have brought it on ourselves. We have driven away minorities li
-> gays and a majority, like women, by our misapplication of God's word
-> it is not suprising that many would create their own religion. ->
Nevertheless, if God chose to manifest as a male in a society that ->
very male-oriented, one does not need to doubt God's love for the fe ->
population. Everything we say about God, being infinite, must be a ->
metaphor. Even when we say God is neither truly male or female, but ->
spirit (as expressed in the Bible) we really don't know what we say. ->
KP>The bible is a fairy tale........
see "through a glass darkly" as Paul said. -> -> -> -> -> -> ...
Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. -> ___ Blue
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Sincerely yours,
Keith
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|From: Keith Pachulski
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: TOODLES...
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:35:25
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-> JS> To those I might have offended, I reget that. To those who perce
-> JS> offense, it wasn't my intent. I pray that in that day of days, G
-> JS> will have mercy on our souls: the atheist/pagans for not heeding
-> JS> message that was clearly stated with boldness and unshrinking ho
-> JS> and on me for the mistakes I have made here while striving to ma
-> JS> the truth.
->
-> Well said. And one of the reasons I regret we never knew the REAL Ji
-> Staal, just the personas you chose to let us know. Because as everyo
-> here will notice, THIS message was much clearer and lucid than many
-> have received.
-> It is our loss that you hid the real Jim for so long.
KP> Tsk tsk..once again they hide behind the book and the men who ware
responsible for millions of deaths and caused the oppression of women
and children worldwide. Oh fear the pagans for they know the truth and
will not succumb to such idiocy as the book.
......I am Magick...watch we dance
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:30
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JH>On Jan 30 21:32 96, Michael Hardy of 1:3625/470 wrote:
JH> That post really had me deeply concerned for a moment.
JH> I couldn't figure out what I had done to deserve being
JH> compared to you.
ROFL!
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: God's Word
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:26
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BJ> Well at your request I read both Chapters of Genesis. I don't
BJ>see the problem you are having with it. Please quote the verses
BJ>that you are having trouble with! Or maybe you re-read them! And
BJ>remember to use the King James Version please. Because some of the
BJ>other version have parts missing.
BJ>We can continue as soon as you like Styx.
BJ>Brad
The KJV, is it? That's funny. We keep getting Christians who
insist the KJV is junk. Then we have ones like you who insist
upon using it. You'd think that if Christians had any brains
at all, they'd at least be able to figure out which of their
story books is the One True Storybook(tm).
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:31
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KM> DW> I've got it right here? Don't believe me? Where's your evidence
that
KM>such
KM> DW> a book does not exist?
KM>Send me a copy.
You were asked for evidence that the book doesn't exist. Asking him
for a copy is asking for evidence that it _does_ exist, which is a
completely different scenario.
KM>Give it a rest David, I know the difference between God, the tooth fairy,
the
KM>Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.
Yup: the other ones don't have a track record of inciting people to
kill. Of course, all of them - God included - are purely imaginary
until evidence shows otherwise.
KM>fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa
KM>did not die for anyones sins, and they did not create the world. Saying
that
KM>they are real is not the same as saying that God exist, simply because
God
KM>does exist and they do not.
God exists? Really? Okay, show me. You can't? Oh, so I guess he
doesn't exist. Make up your mind.
KM> DW> The tooth fairy claims to be the creator of the universe. It says
so
KM>right
KM> DW> here in this book. Where's your evidence that I do not have such
a book?
KM>Don't need any evidence that you do not have such a book. If you do,
and the
KM>tooth fairy claims to be the creator of the universe, then the tooth
fairy is
KM>false, there is only one true God and it's not the tooth fairy.
Why? Because *your* book says so? Well, his book says something else.
Why should I believe your book? Upon what testable evidence is it
based?
KM>No David I don't, I see the stupidity of one trying to use the tooth
fairy to
KM>show us that we cannot prove to you that God is real.
*IF* God is real, then in principle, he could be demonstrated. Since
you have failed to demonstrate that He exists, we must assume that
either he doesn't, or, if he does, that you have no evidential
knowledge of it.
Since you have no evidential knowledge of God's existence, it follows
that your claims that God exists are either the ignorant and futile
rantings of a child screaming "Is too!", or are outright lies.
Which is it, Kenny?
KM>An IOU is about something physical, not spiritual, I can just as easily
claim
KM>that I have a cancelled check in front of me that shows I already paid
it.
KM>Along with it, I can claim that I have a signed receipt from you saying
that
KM>the account was paid in full. So what?
So what? You have just demonstrated that any half-bright noodle-loving
twit can make all sorts of claims about things existing, and that
simply making the claim does *not* show that what is being claimed
is valid.
In short, you have just shown that when you claim "God exists", all
you're doing is spewing hot air. It is just as easy to claim "Odin
exists", and it has exactly as much meaning.
Further, you have demonstrated that a claim, without evidence to
back it up, is inherently meaningless. Since your claim "God exists"
lacks supporting evidence, then by your own examples, it becomes
a meaningless claim.
KM> You can't pray to an IOU,
Sure you can. "Oh please, IOU, get paid off today. I need the money."
Mind you, this probably won't do you any more good than praying to
God will, but if you're into the latter sort of delusion, why not
the former as well?
KM> DW> Are you *really* this fucking stupid, Ken?
KM>No David, I'm not stupid at all, I have different opinion about the Bible
KM>than you do, that doesn't make me stupid.
It does if your opinion is "This is real, and I refuse to even think
about the possibility I might be wrong."
KM>for it or not. Are you so stupid that you cannot see that a God that
can do
KM>anything, could do it without leaving any evidence for you?
So you're saying God is a liar? How nice. But if God is a liar, and
the Bible is God's word, doesn't that make the Bible a book of lies?
And still you believe it. How weird.
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Kenny is back into his de
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:32
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KM>No Steve, I'm not the one that will be falling into anything. There is
not
KM>such thing as a fundy, a babble of fairy-tales or a gawd.
So you're an atheist now, are you? Well, as much as I would rather
you remained outside our ranks, I guess I have litle choice but to
congratulate you upon finally renouncing your silly religious beliefs
and grabbing a brain.
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: More dan a. post
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:35
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KDM>Oh yeah? Well, don't tell anyone, but . . . I'm one of
KDM>the Twelve Jewish Bankers.
And I'm the rest of them. ;)
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:27
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BJ> SB> If god hates the sin and loves the sinner, why is he/she/it sending
BJ> SB> the *sinner* to hell? He should be sending the *sin* to hell and
BJ> SB> keeping the sinner.
BJ>Now you ask why God is sending the sinner to hell well I think you
BJ>should read his Book! Great story line, I have a hard time putting
BJ>it down. Now the best version I would say has to be the King James
BJ>Version! Yes Yes that is what I would say alright! King James
BJ>Version I am really amazed at the fact that so many people don't
BJ>have bibles! And if they have them they don't seem to be reading it.
BJ>I'm on page 1198 and when I get done I will have to read it again.
BJ>I am sure I missed some good stuff. You know how it is when you are
BJ>tired and fall asleep reading.
BJ>Brad
I notice you don't even *try* to answer the question. God
supposedly loves the sinner. Yet, according to the story, the
sinner - not the sin - is going to suffer.
Now, there is *some* logic to this. People tend to learn by
experience, and if their experiences are negative, they tend
to learn not to repeat them.
However... according to the tale, if you wind up in Hell, it's
too late, you have no chance to get out. This means there is no
instructive value to the process; its only value is in amusing
a sick mind that gets off on the torment of others.
So, are you one of those who can't tell the difference between
torment and love? If so, do we send the police in now to protect
your family from you?
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:28
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BJ> I think you have me mixed up with one of your other friends,
my
BJ>name is Brad, not moron.
Name: Brad.
Category: Jeezoid.
IQ Level: Moron.
Got it now, or shall we write it on stone tablets for you?
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:29
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BJ> Ok Fredric, I have already said sorry for writing that
BJ>statement. I now realize that it is your choice and I shouldn't
BJ>feel bad because you don't want to believe.
Do try to plug your brains in for a bit. Nobody here, at least on
the atheist side, cares one way or the other about believing. We
neither want to nor want not to.
Now try to follow this. We don't care. We maintain an open mind.
In order to convince us of your view, all that is required is some
*evidence* to support it. If you can show us that God does, indeed,
exist - or even is the most probable explanation for life, the universe,
and everything - then we'll have little choice but to accept your
conclusions. Until then, we simply don't care.
BJ>You ask in this message
BJ>what is the difference between
BJ>believing in God or Odin. I don't know who Odin is first off and
BJ>second I am sure he won't forgive your sins and let you into Heaven!
Nope. He'll judge you after death and if you don't measure up,
you won't get into Valhalla.
Oh my. This sounds so much like your Christian mythos. Yet you'll
no doubt treat this as so much mythology without ever realizing
the double-standard you use.
BJ>Now onto your tagline or your last statement. You and many others
BJ>would like to see me removed or corrected, I am sure.
Nothing personal. We're just amazed that anyone with absolutlely
no ability to think rationally can exist at all; their entire
mental energy would be consumed by the demanding task of breathing
through their mouth.
BJ>I am so glad that I have friend in Jesus! Because you folks are not
BJ>making me feel very welcome.
Get a clue, dipshit. You spew mindless claims with nothing to
back them up but an old book of myths, how do you expect people
to treat you? Look at the way you react to other religions -
you simply dismiss them as meaningless. Well, we dismiss you
as meaningless. Grab a brain or go away.
BJ>I know you didn't mean for it to sound
BJ>that way!
I do. Grow up, learn to think, or go fuck yourself. Better yet,
go fuck Jesus. From all the "In Jesus" crap we see around here,
he must get off on that sort of thing.
BJ>I know we sometimes hurt the ones we care the most about!
Indeed, but in order for that to apply, someone here would
have to care about you. Can you suggest who that might be?
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't Drink it eith
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:33
EID:8acf 20499c00
PID: GVBBS 0.23 Reg
MSGID: 1:153/792 311aa152
TID: GE 1.11+
KM>Ask to prove, but to the test, tempted. The reason I won't drink is because
I
KM>will not tempt God.
The reason you won't do it is you're a fucking coward.
Deal with it, Kenny. No amount of your pitiful whining will ever
manage to convince anyone that you have any faith at all, since
your every post screams otherwise.
You know damned well that the test is not of God, but of your faith,
yet you avoid it at every step. If you really had any faith, you
would stand up and show your faith by meeting the challenge.
Nope. Instead you cower behind empty words, afraid that someone
might notice that your faith is hollow and empty.
KM>Christ would not do the things that Satan asked him to do
KM>to prove that he was the Son of God, and I will not prove to you that
I
KM>believe by drinking your poison.
You see? Even here, you admit that the test is of *YOU* and not
of God. Yet you still refuse. You have no faith, coward. At least
have the guts and the personal integrity to stand up for yourself
and admit you have no faith.
---
* SLMR 2.1a * All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
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|From: Kelsey Bjarnason
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:36
EID:639d 20499c00
PID: GVBBS 0.23 Reg
MSGID: 1:153/792 311aa154
TID: GE 1.11+
MH> Plenty. The whole point is that God became a man and did endure
MH> suffering. You don't think being scourged and then nailed up would
MH> hurt?
Since you're still spewing this line, allow me to reintroduce my little
treatise upon the "suffering" of your God.
Since we know that the universe is some 15 billion years or less old,
I will use this as a starting figure. Please note that if God has
existed longer than this, it merely makes your "suffering" argument
even sillier.
So. 15 billion years. Now, let's suppose, for the sake of argument,
that J.C. was nailed to the cross and hung there for, oh, three days.
Let's do some math.
15 billion years * 356 days / year = 5.475 * 10^12 days. Now, to
convert 3 days to a percentage of this, as I recall, we would
divide 3 by this figure and multiply by 100. That give us a
value of: 5.47945.... * 10^-11 percent.
Okay. So that's the percentage of one's life which, if spent
suffering, you seem to consider significant.
Very well. Let's apply this to people. Let's assume that the
average person lives some 75 years. The time spent suffering,
then, would have to be:
75 years * 365 days / year * (% value above) = 0.0.000000015 days.
Hmm. Let's convert that to seconds, shall we? Multiplying by
86,400 gives us 0.001296 seconds.
So, for a normal person to spend as much time suffering, calculated
as a percentage of their lives, as your god-on-a-stick did, they
would have to spend a total of a little more than a thousandth of
a second suffering.
Take now, if you will, the case of a woman going through a 30-hour
labour. We know this is common enough. Hell, I even know one
woman who, during delivery, had her crotch split wide open, front
to back, requiring her to be stitched back together.
So. A 30-hour labour compared to a thousandth of a second of suffering.
The numbers here get interesting. 30 hours, time 3600 seconds per
hour, is 108,000 seconds. Divide this by the 0.001296 seconds we
calculated above, and we find out that, based upon the portion of
their lives spent suffering, the woman goes through...
EIGHTY THREE MILLION times as much suffering.
Now, am I supposed to be impressed with the suffering he went through?
Sorry; I'm much more impressed with what women around the world
go through every day.
Now, mind you, I may have dropped a decimal point somewhere - my maths
were never as good as they should be. However, assuming I'm off even
by a factor of 10,000, that still means that the woman would experience
several thousand times the relative suffering that your godsicle went
through.
Oh, boo hoo. Such a poor, sad, suffering god.
MH> Plus, there's no knowing what was going on on a deeper level. Jesus
was
MH> taking all the sin of those people who would ever accept his grace,
MH> taking it into himself, for only he could expiate it. For a God who
is
MH> so holy he despises even little sins, how much suffering do you think
MH> that entailed?
Apparently, not a hell of a lot. Boo hoo.
MH>... Without the right to life, all other rights mean nothing.
Tell that to the victims of Jonestown and Waco.
---
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: One Goat
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:46:00
EID:3f32 204a05c0
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 11804215
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 311aac5b
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Scot Bear wrote in a message to Brad Jackson:
> your day. Many people are diceived by things others have
> told them,
SB> I think you should get your nose out of the bible and get a
SB> spelling book. Your spelling is atrocious! Do it!
But wait! If Brad didn't have so many misspelled words in his posting...how
would we ever know he is a fundy??
--- IM2.29+/FE1.45a+/PB2.12+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Violating physics
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:42:15
EID:139f 204a0540
MSGID: 1:109/601.0 11804214
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 dd010612
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
John Brawley wrote in a message to Fredric Rice:
FR> For you, perhaps. You want to pretend that you're ahead of science
FR> and that the rest of the world will eventually catch up to you.
JB> Ah. That particular form of erroneous mental garbage is called, by
JB> cognitive scientists, "jumping to conclusions." It has two
JB> sub-forms: "mind reading" and "fortune telling." Both are
JB> cognitive distortions.
That is a laugh coming from you...the King of Reality Distortion.
JB> Yours is the "mind reading" form, in which
JB> you presume to know what the content of another person's mind is.
In this instance, Fredric is making TWO mistakes. The second is assuming
there is a mind to be read from.
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 08 Feb 96 17:50:00
EID:2ea1 20488e40
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d7f
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "ABORTION"!
DC> Yep, a brass bell ball.
SA> Be thankful it's not something the size of your Liberty bell, or
SA> Big Ben or something - that would need someone to hit it with a
SA> large stick ..
SA> You'd hear guys groaning from miles away.
DC> No need to worry, as it's not a major disease. It only turns green.
DC> It's just the brass clapper.
DC> (why do I hear you groaning from 2,000+ miles away?)
You're lucky I don't pick up the phone and groan directly in your
ear for that joke.
[Err, wait. Perhaps I should reword that ..]
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... The Masters had left the Earth. They couldn't stand the barking.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 08 Feb 96 17:52:01
EID:dd04 20488e80
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d80
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "CHRISTOLOGY"!
SA> line drawings of a dove with a knife tucked under his wing, and a
SA> wolf with an olive branch in his mouth.
DC> Very fitting... Looks like there's one more book I'm going to
DC> have to find the time to read.
It's well worth it, if it can be found. I'm not sure if it's in
print any more; the printing I have is from 1972, and it cost all
of 87 cents at the second-hand bookstore. I haven't re-read it
yet (the first time I read it was a library copy, years and years
ago) but I'm beginning to feel that it would be worth giving it
another read quite soon.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... It took a dog to unmask the deception of the Wizard ...
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why
|Date: 08 Feb 96 18:00:02
EID:90ce 20489000
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d81
And Brave Sir Dan ran away, screaming "Why"!
SA> The last thing I read, they just brought in 25 or 30 more from
SA> Canada. 4 of the original transplants have been killed, but they
DC> Getting going a lot stronger than I thought. I know the ranchers
DC> near the Park were very concerned...
The only reason it's been going at all, apparently, is because
they're working on private monies, and thus were able to keep
going despite the recent governmental shutdown (or was it a
near-shutdown?) in Washington. Defenders of Wildlife is also
keeping a fund for ranchers who can prove that their livestock has
been killed by wolves. Apparently, only about $200 or $300 has
been paid so far wrt Yellowstone wolves (equal to the cost of
about 2 sheep.)
SA> the Yellowstone ecosystem now, rather than have it being just an
SA> elk farm of sorts. Human nature tends towards polariased views,
SA> so the sheep or the deer is seen as "good" while predators are
DC> That's funny... Out her in the Olympic Nat Park, the goats are
DC> considered to be "non-local" and damaging to the Park...
Mountain goats, or feral domestic goats?
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Join the "Hunt the Hunters Hunt Club" - 1-900-SHOOT-EM
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Revised (by ME) HS list
|Date: 08 Feb 96 18:04:03
EID:3317 20489080
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d82
And Brave Sir J.J. ran away, screaming "Revised (by ME) HS list"!
SA> Dennis Webber Indiana Eckankar
JH> ^^^^^^^^
JH> Wheeee!
JH> How is it I never noticed we that we had one of THOSE in our midst?
He only really seems to have mentioned it once or twice -is he
even still around?
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Nature abhors a vacuum, and won't pick up a broom, either.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:52:04
EID:f1f1 2048a680
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d83
And Brave Sir Scot ran away, screaming "A LITTLE HELP FROM SP"!
> I only got to the point
> about two
> years ago where I can handle getting blood drawn
> with a syringe.
SB>
SB> ...and they call ME a sissy!?!? :)
Wouldn't dream of it. I've considered donating blood (they don't
pay for it over here, so the financial aspect is automatically out
of the question) but every time I seriously think about it, I get
really queasy. I don't even think $50 would be a great enticement
unless I was completely penniless.
Just the thought of it now makes me want to pass out.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... Where do you take an unwanted Chia Pet?
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 08 Feb 96 21:03:05
EID:9a4a 2048a860
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 311b7d84
And Brave Sir Preston ran away, screaming "A LITTLE HELP FROM SP"!
PS> at once) and prescribed it in capsule form for post-op pain
PS> management. It was wonderful, truly blissful.
RJ> When Bob Saget was actually funny, he did a standup routine
RJ> where he talked about getting his appendix out and being on
RJ> Demerol. He said, "I'm not sure, but I think those were the
RJ> four happiest days of my entire *life*."
PS> It's definitely fun stuff. Kept me incoherent for about two days. The
PS> thing is, it doesn't so much keep you from feeling the pain as it
PS> keeps you from just not caring about it. You realize on a vague,
PS> distant sort of level that you're in excruciating pain, but you just
PS> don't give a damn.
They gave me something called Darvon-N (after looking it up to
check, I'm pretty sure that's what it was) after my second kid was
born, in hospital. Usually, they just give you Tylenol #1 or 2,
but codeine doesn't do very much for me, so they had to administer
something a wee bit .. stronger. And boy, is that shit _strong_.
I was so beyond pain it was incredible. It even had the other
women in my ward _demanding_ the stuff, after seeing how ... happy
.. I was. :) Looking at the warnings in the description, though,
it seems to be quite dangerous, though it's not a narcotic (but it
sure acts like one.) Hell, you don't even realise you're in pain
on this stuff - you don't even realise you have a _BODY_.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "Eye for an eye, hell! A HEAD for an eye!" -- Razor
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Maria Russell
|Sub: Adam
|Date: 08 Feb 96 22:16:06
EID:e3d3 2048b200
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And Brave Sir Katherine ran away, screaming "Adam"!
MR>You are presuming that ALL animals were created at the same time. Didn't
MR>domestic dog came from the wolf family, and cats from the feline family
etc.
MR>Adam did name all the animals created at that time. But we know today
that we
MR>can cross-breed many animals and produce new species. Don't you think
KW> "nature" MR>could to all by its self?
There is no "wolf family". Wolves are but one species within the
genus Canis, which is but one genus within the family Canidae,
which is but one family within the order Carnivora (which is but
one order in the class Mammalia, which is but one class in the
phulum Chordata, which is but one phylum in the kingdom Animalia.)
The domestic dog (Canis familiaris) appears to have been bred by
man from one or more sub-species of wolf (possibly C. lupus
pallipes and C. l. arabs). Other species within the genus Canis
include the dingo (C. dingo, but may soon be reclassified as C.
familiaris dingo, if it already hasn't been - there is also talk
of reclassifiying the domestic dog itself as C. lupus familiaris),
the coyote (C. latrans), the golden jackal (C. aureus), the
black-backed jackal (C. mesomelas), the side-striped jackal (C.
adustus) and the red wolf (C. rufus, which may be a product of the
natural cross-breeding of wolves and coyotes where their ranges
overlap.)
This genus is closely related to the other Canidae, which includes
the dhole (Cuon alpinus), the arctic fox (Alpoex lagous), the
crab-eating fox (Cerdocyon thous), the European red fox (Vulpes
vulpes), the grey fox (Urocyon cinerreoargenteus), the kit fox
(Vulpes velox), the red fox (V. fulva), the South American fox
(Dusicyon culpaeus), the African hunting dog (Lycaeon pictus), the
bush dog (Speothos vernaticus), the raccoon dog (Nyctereutes
procyonoides) and the small-eared dog (Atelocynus microtis) -
among possible others that might have slipped my mind at the
moment.
The Carnivora themselves appear to have evolved from the
Creodonta, which existed over 100 million years ago, according to
the fossil record and the geological column. The Carnivora are
split into two branches - the "dog branch" and the "cat branch".
The cat branch is pretty lonely - it includes only the Felidae
(which includes the domestic cat, which appears to have been bred
from a species of small, wild African desert cat, lions, tigers,
lynxes and all the critters generally recognised as "cats"), the
Hyaenas (which are indeed more closely related to cats than dogs
despite appearances - surprise!) and the civets (Viverridae) as
well as some extinct forms. The Canidae themselves are very
closely related to the bears (Ursidae), the weasels (Mustelidae),
and the raccoons (Procyonidae) -- and all seem to have evolved
from a family called Miacidae (named for the fossil Miacis) which
existed between 50 and 60 million years ago. As noted, the
Micidae evolved from the Creodonta, which in turn evolved from the
mammal-like reptiles of the late Permian, which in turn evolved
from true reptiles, which of course evolved from amphibians, which
came from lobefin fishes, which in turn came from more
conventional fish, which in turn came from Pikaia (the first
chordate we know about) which in turn came from lifeforms without
spinal cords, which in turn came from single-celled organisms.
So, yes, nature CAN create new species all by herself. Glad you
see the wisdom of the fossil record, which does indicate that
evolution did indeed take place.
Shall we now discuss the human family tree? That, too, BTW, can
be traced back to Pikaia.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "Take THAT, _Creation of Man_!"
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bible Follies
|Date: 09 Feb 96 02:38:07
EID:3b85 204914c0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
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And Brave Sir Robert ran away, screaming "Bible Follies"!
RJ> I had a sociology class taught by an ex-nun--she was a pretty
RJ> good teacher. Although she didn't do this lecture, I heard
RJ> she was (in)famous for one on language, where she began the
RJ> class by writing the word FUCK in huge block letters on the
RJ> blackboard.
RJ> I could just imagine the pseudo-proper bowheads in that class
RJ> pretending they never heard of such a thing, objecting to the
RJ> discussion on "moral grounds". But then, that's what it's
RJ> like going to college in the buckle of the Babble Belt.
I once had the good luck to have an English teacher who actually
understood literature, and wasn't afraid to explain all he knew.
When we started taking _Romeo and Juliet_, he was certain to
explain to all of us (after ensuring the classroom door was shut)
all the dirty jokes Shakespeare liberally sprinkled in that play.
Of course, he did try to mince words a bit, but usually wound up
having to explain it in more .. detail for the slower kids who
couldn't get the more roundabout hints. Unfortunately, there was
one chick who likened herself to be "prim and proper" (no, not me.
I was actually amongst the first to laugh when he pointed out
where the jokes were) who kept piping up with "Sir, that's
DISGUSTING!" He kept pointing out that HE didn't write it,
Shakespeare did, and got so fed up one day, he went into a long
speech about how if he DIDN'T make sure we understood EVERY WORD
in the book, he simply wasn't doing his job. She still put on the
indignant stuff, though. I wonder if she ever wound up
siccing her parents on the poor sod? I hear he's still teaching,
though, so even if she did, it didn't work. Thank goodness;
decent English teachers are damn hard to come by, especially ones
that actually understand what the hell is contained in literature.
I think I learned more in two classes he taught (both 11 and 12)
than in any other years hence. And I did take _Romeo and Juliet_
once before that, in gr 10, before I switched high schools -- the
second time around was MUCH more interesting and informative, to
say the least. Frankly, I couldn't see what was so damn great
about Shakespeare before I got him as a teacher .. but then, none
of the other teachers apparently knew, either - or else they were
just too chickenshit to teach it properly.
--Wolfie
To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul - just be sure something
you want to view is there.
... "It's a miracle curiosity survives formal education" - Einstein
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:30:11
EID:360c 20499bc0
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REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 311a33b0
JB>> in a S&M theme. He was totally serious. Wanted something he
JB>> could order about 100 of. Jeez.
DM> Whip that smile off yer face, Bandsma, and get to
DM> pouring slip! Surely a scrotum with alligator clips and
DM> wires is not too tough to mold--what with the weekend (and
Party favors for the Marquis d'Sade's birthday?
June 2, btw. They're getting an early start.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:33:47
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MG>> Yeah....we might have to raise teacher's salaries.
PS> The horrors. And who knows, we might actually start getting some
PS> competent people to teach. What new depths of insanity would
PS> *that* lead to?
Actually, to tell the truth, if you raised salaries to a point where people
would wnat to teach and all of them did teach, there still wouldn't be enough
really good teachers to tackle the job. Teaching takes a certain inner
talent. Training and schooling helps, but you have to be adept at it.
The system now certainly doesn't make those that want to teach teachers.
The system with a nice fat salary would be a fix that just didn't have a
big enough band aid.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: names
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:56:00
EID:4ea0 20499f00
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-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Michael Hardy <=-
MG>> My point is, that's it's not too important. If you wanted
MG>> your god and religion treated with total respect, you should
MG>> read another echo.
MH> Oh, it doesn't bother me at all. Just makes the people who do it
MH> look sorta silly, IMO.
MG> I disagree. I think it often makes the religion look rather silly.
Oh come on. Smug people referring to Christians as Jeezoids no more
makes Christianity seem silly than smug Christians referring to
atheists as "heinous blasphemers" makes atheists looks heinous. Both
just make the person calling the name look childish.
... To live without passion is to begin to die.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: YHWH
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:57:00
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-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Michael Hardy <=-
MG>> 2. Hell on Earth...the constatnt suffering of persons for
MG>> reasons unknown.
MH> And if such reasons are unknown, how can you presume to judge
MH> them insufficient? Perhaps there is a God who allows
MH> suffering for a very good reason, but it simply isn't
MH> fathomable from our perspective.
MG> I see you picked the wrong part of the question. "Reasons unknown"
is
MG> a poor choice of words. Hell on Earth is the important part. The
MG> reasons may be unclear, but since there is suffering, there is
MG> imperfection, no matter wht point of view you have. That means a lck
MG> of a perfect god.
No, Martin, it doesn't. A perfect God by your standards would be forced
to create humanity as mindless automatons -- robbing us of our capacity
for moral choice and therefore robbing us of what makes us human. Your
"perfect" God is paradoxically limited in His options, and thus not
perfect at all.
MH> Your characterization is faulty. It isn't accept "Jess" and let
MH> the starving go with nothing. It's believe in Jesus and
MH> allow God to begin making you more and more like Jesus,
MH> which means to become more and more attuned to the needs of
MH> the starving, and others in need, and work to satisfy those
MH> needs. The theme of helping the needy is all through the
MH> Bible.
MG> This again, is not the subject of my critique. Theists on this echo
MG> have told me that someone that they consider sinful can accept the
MG> savior on their deathbed and be saved. Why so little? Feeding the
MG> starving would be, at least to me, a faster route to any salvation.
For someone not on their deathbed, in fact, such good works are the
inevitable result of genuine faith. "Faith without works is dead." But
why should God be so merciless as to condemn someone who does genuinely
repent on his deathbed? Sure, you might argue, the person should have
thought of that sooner, and you'd be right. But he didn't. Would a
perfect God turn away sincere repentance, however belatedly offered?
MG>> 5. The poor design of nature...Cancers and other tumors and
MG>> the constant changing of species to mitigate the
MG>> environement (evolution).
MH> What ever made you think that the universe was designed to be
MH> perfect?
MG> Because your god is perfect. There is no reason to believe that
MG> anything he creates is anything but perfect. Again, it's Occam that
MG> slices this one.
No, it's your narrow definition of what consititutes perfection. Why
would a perfect God be *limited* to creating only a mechanical
clockwork universe where nothing can go awry?
MG>> 6. Religion based atrocities...While, I admit, a very
MG>> minority of religious persons are involved, they still
MG>> take up a good deal of our history books. A real god
MG>> would have prevented, at least this, bunch of acts performed
MG>> in his name.
MH> Presumption. Who are you to declare what a "real god" would do?
MG> You'll say anything to keep from admitting tht your god screwed up.
A
MG> god that allows the Inquisition? I don't think so. The answer is that
MG> there was nothing there like a god to stop these murderers.
There's nothing in Christian theology that suggests God *should* stop
the murders. If we're here to make free moral decisions, then God can't
play cosmic cop everytime someone is about to get hurt.
God *will* judge the murderers, however, and unless they repent --
which isn't insincerely saying "I'm sorry," but really feeling the pain
of sin -- they will be terribly sorry.
MG>> 7. Need to test...Instead of perfection, there is this
MG>> god's "need to test" us when the perfect being knows the
MG>> outcome anyway. Millions die or suffer due to these
MG>> tests.
MH> I don't know of anything in the Bible to suggest that God
MH> "tests" everyone. Besides, while God may know the outcome,
MH> we don't. If you're a parent, you know that sometimes your
MH> child may be capable of something and not know it -- until
MH> you test him and allow him to see in himself what you knew
MH> was there.
MG> Why doesn't god just make him perfect. Why cause tribulations with
MG> testing?
What would be the point of creating beings who are already "perfect"
(by your standards)? They would be able to make no free choices -- and
thus would be imperfect.
... The danger of leaving God to the 11th hour is you might die at 10:30.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: lost years
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:34:00
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-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> It's "bunko" for anyone to presume to tell us now just what Jesus was
MH> doing in those years. There is no information on it at all --
MH> anywhere -- so any such account is conjecture at best.
MH> Good, you finally admitted the Christian/Catholic religion is
MH> nothing more than conjecture, at best. Good! I applaud your bravery
MH> for admitting that point which all of you seem to cover up like a
MH> dirty secret.
MH> Is English not your native language? I clearly said that whatever
MH> Jesus was doing in the time which the gospels do not relate is
MH> unknown, and reconstructions of such are conjecture. I didn't say
MH> anything at all to that effect regarding the Christian religion, which
MH> is based on what he said and did during the time the gospels do
MH> relate.
MH> Admittedly, I was mincing [your] words. However, re-read it; it
MH> says, specifically, in English, that any account is conjecture at
MH> best. It's "bunko," Michael, for _anyone_ to presume to tell us now
MH> just what Jesus was doing in those years. You said it yourself.
You still don't have it. Read it again. What I said was "any SUCH
account" is conjecture, with "such" referring back to accounts of the
"lost years" of Jesus. You dropped "such" when you restated the phrase,
thus changing its meaning from what I said.
I suspect you're simply playing word games. If that suspicion proves
true, I'll add you to my twit filter. I'm not interested in wasting
time that way.
... The danger of leaving God to the 11th hour is you might die at 10:30.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Christian jobs
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:42:00
EID:6688 2049a540
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-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> how one views the world and will affect how you approach certain jobs.
MH> Give me a break. Stop trying to rationalize your bigotry. I'm
MH> aware of racists whom I hold in higher respect than you, at the
MH> present moment -- at least they can ADMIT they're prejudiced. That's
a
MH> [small] step better than where you are now.
Let's say you have a job open for a truck driver. Are you prejudiced if
you don't accept applications from blind people?
MHo> "The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because
MHo> the average man can see better than he can think."
... speaking of prejudice, your tagline lobs a hefty dose of sexism at
both men and women.
... An excellent rebuttal! Now, come up with one that addresses the point.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: archives
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:44:00
EID:cfd4 2049a580
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-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> That is, why can George say to someone whose father was hospitalized
MH> following a series of strokes "Your old man croak yet?" and no one
MH> bats an eye; but if Jim made a similar remark, he'd be hearing about
MH> it for months? Why can Larry Sites call a woman a cunt and no one but
MH> me bats an eye, while Jim was hung out to dry as a misogynist for
MH> calling a woman a bitch?
MH> I wasn't referring to his usage of the word 'bitch.' I was
MH> specifically denoting his comments to Gwenny concerning her ex-
MH> husband, and how he was a 'smart man' [sic] for beating her and then
MH> leaving her. You're some sadistic hairball, Michael. [You did, after
MH> all, defend the post wherein he made that comment.]
No, I did not. I assisted him in clarifying his meaning -- that
Gwenny's ex was smart (in JIM'S opinion) for being her ex. Jim never
condoned his beating her, that I could ever detect.
I found Jim's remark to be appalling enough without the
misinterpretation that was being laid on it, so I helped him express
himself better.
Can you really not see the difference between that and condoning?
... A fool and his money are soon partying.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Kelsey Bjarnason
|Sub: bats/birds
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:46:00
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-=> Quoting Kelsey Bjarnason to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> The simple fact is, according to Strong's Hebrew/Greek Concordance,
the
MH> word translated "birds" in this passage does not explicitly mean "bird"
MH> at all. It means things that fly.
KB> Interestingly, however, it neglects to include wasps in the list.
KB> Or, indeed, any flying critter other than birds and one which someone
KB> who lacks any biological experience might confuse with a bird.
There is a different word for flying insects, so obviously the Hebrews
would have understood the word in context. It probably meant larger
flying animals.
Are you so entrenched in your insistence on criticizing the Bible that
you're going to deny that Hebrew words mean what they mean?
... ...... Click ... click ... click ... damn, out of taglines!
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:14:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Lump <=-
SS> Are you bailing out too, shit-stain? Oh, I forgot, you are Jim
SS> Staal.
Lu> ....Nah, that would mean you won(even tho that'll never
Lu> happen) and that I gave in and I'm not that way....You're just too
Lu> entertaining....
LB> but your "brother" IS "that way"?
LB> Jim, quit hiding. It's pointless.
Psst. He's not Jim. This much I know for sure.
... SEX education? I thought this was SECTS education!
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: legend
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:16:00
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-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Dan Ceppa <=-
MH> Scholars date the earliest letters of Paul almost unanimously dated
MH> to the late 40s and early 50s. They are explicitly Christian in the
DC> Scholars date the Aurthurian legends to about 1100 CE.
DC> That makes them true.
KD> Better than that, Dan -
KD> We have confirmation of a factual basis for the Arthurian legends from
KD> multiple sources, including archaeology. Most scholars state pretty
KD> strongly that there was some real man who formed the basis of the
KD> legend.
But what we don't have is any evidence that people who knew Arthur
personally believed the legends less than 10 years later.
But we do have evidence that people who knew Jesus personally believed
he really rose from the dead, and that no significant amount of time
elapsed before this belief developed.
... A thousand compromises do not equal a victory.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Offensive ASCIIs
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:21:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Damien Wellman <=-
DW> Don't blame me... I only found it. I'll try to work on it a little
DW> myself and see if I can't shape it up, so to speak.
LB> I've never tried doing an ASCII drawing before, but how does this
LB> look:
LB> ____________
LB> ___/ \___
LB> |\ _____/ \___
LB> | \ / \
LB> | \ / ### ## ## # # ### ## \
LB> | \ / # # # # # # # # # # # \
LB> | \/ # # # # # # # # # # # @ \
LB> | # # # # # # # # # # # \
LB> | # # #### ### # # # # # # |
LB> | # # # # # # # # # # # # /
LB> | /\ # # # # # # # # # # # # \_/
LB> | / \ ### # # # # # # ### # # /
LB> | / \ /
LB> | / \____ ____/
LB> |/ \___ ___/
LB> \_____________/
LB> || ||
LB> ||__ ||__
LB> |___| |___|
Like a suck-up to the heathens? (JOKE!!!)
... Hester Prynne got an A for adultery. I barely made a C-minus.
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|From: Michael Hardy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: preachin'
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:25:00
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-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to Fredric Rice <=-
MHo> So, you're a Really, True Christian, AND prejudiced. Nice.
MH> Think about it, Mark. The letter was from a what? Christian
MH> evangelist, right! And it was sent to who? A Christian church, right.
MH> So the message was meant for what group?
MHo> That you can say that with a straight face is a mystery to me,
MHo> Michael. Look: It was a letter from a what? A Christian
MHo> evangelist. It was sent to who? A Christian church. So, it can be
MHo> applied to who? Christians. So, the next time a, what? Christian ...
MHo> preaches to me, I'll proclaim (Gal 1:9 NIV). You said yourself, it
MHo> only applies to Christians. That's fine; I'll use it on Christians.
MHo> They're the REALLY preachy ones, anyway.
LB> Just trying to keep the definitions straight, Fred. Based on this,
LB> since Mike
LB> is keeping nonbelievers out of his "fantasy construct", Mike is NOT
a
LB> fundy, right? You're really *quite* sure that you're content to stick
LB> by your definition?
... Without the right to life, all other rights mean nothing.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 09 Feb 96 16:33:32
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On 08 Feb 96, Hector Plasmic wrote:
JB> What's wrong with "_Theistic_ evolution?"
HP> The lack of an evidenced deity, perhaps? :-)
Perhaps, but that's useless in arguing with a Fundamentalist anti-
science creationist, eh? ;)
If y'can't take 'em all the way, take 'em _half_ way. The only thing
more dangerous to a FundieCretinist's argumentative stance than an out-
and-out atheistic materialist is a Theistic Evolutionist. They can't
call _us_ atheists, and hence can't use that particular emotionalistic
debate weapon against us.
JB : jbrawley@toadnet.org [or] jbrawley@cheswicks.toadnet.org
: john.brawley@p1.f9.n8012.z86.toadnet.org
: jbrawley@slacc.com FidoNet: 1:100/435.1
... Science: Words and Music by God; arrangement by QM, for full Chorus
only.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 22:14:00
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> Ronald Reagan opposed abortion.
Yes, and he was once a democrat. Even score.
(i.e. one for republican, one for democrat... same person.)
> So do many of the current presidential candidates.
Please do not group Bayou-cannon with Gramm or Dole.
(And I couldn't care less what Forbes thinks or doesn't think)
I've yet to hear Dole or Gramm speak out in favor of illegalizing
abortions. Have you? The "many" qualifier would indicate so.
> Ronald Reagan passed the Hyde Amendment, which prevented federally
> funded clinics from even MENTIONING a LEGAL medical procedure.
He couldn't pass it by himself. The democratic congress had to
pass it, too.
> Most of the current crop of conservinazis support traditional
> gender roles.
Who are these conservinazis? I want to know which ones you consider
to be extremist, in comparison to who you consider to be average
conservatives.
The term "traditional gender roles" indicates majority opinion.
Do you believe that the majority is conservative? Unless you do,
your statement reflects that non-conservatives agree with what
you attribute to "conservinazis". Funny how prejudice reveals
itself in subtle contradiction.
Such is fundamentalist liberalism; whose primary tactic is
fear peddling to a gullible audience. Not at all unlike Christianity.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:24:01
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>SA> Please cite an example (based upon first-hand observation)
>SA> if you expect me to consider your claim to be a valid one.
>SA> I'm a conservative, and I'm about as non-mysogynistic as
>SA> one can be.
> You're rare.
Then so are all of my other conservative friends.
Perhaps you need to expand your scope of conservativism beyond
what the liberals would prefer to limit you to.
> You conservatives keep switching back and forth - if something
> good happens, it's either because of the Conservative president
> or because people were stupid enough to elect conservatives
> into congress. If something bad happens...
Apparently, you haven't read what I've said repeatedly:
THE PRESIDENT SERVES AS A FIGUREHEAD AND SCAPEGOAT.
CONGRESS HOLDS (almost) ALL OF THE POWER.
None of the things that you attribute to conservative presidents
could have happened without the majority of (a democratic) congress
allowing those things to happen. What I've stated about wanting
Gramm (a conservative) in the presidency... is to allow our newly
elected CONSERVATIVE majority in congress to effect changes more
constructively, without some liberal bozoid like Clinton vetoing
whenever the wind blows to the right.
> I know PRECISELY what they want because I read their own words.
BZZZZZT! You read what they are QUOTED as having said.
As I've repeatedly pointed out, video clips consistently prove
that written quotes differ from what was actually stated.
That is one primary factor in Limbaugh's popularity... is that he
shows clips of what people actually said - after pointing out what
major newspapers INCORRECTLY reported. Whether you believe anything
that _I_ tell you or not, you SHOULD realize that you can't rely
on the news media to give you the truth. Not even Limbaugh's show
gives you the entire picture - but it DOES prove that the other
media sources are catering to the liberalist side of the political
spectrum.
Again: Watch C-SPAN, MEET THE PRESS, FACE THE NATION, or any of the
other multitude of live interview/debate forums. First-hand info
obtained second-hand (via TV) beats second-hand info second-hand
(newspaper) anyday.
> Tell me why abortion is not up for discussion on the Republican
> platform.
As far as I (as a conservative) am concerned, it IS up for discussion.
> Tell me why Reagan attempted to decimate Title IX by firing good
> people and replacing them with Eagle Forum "ladies".
> [Documented - Susan Faludi's _Backlash_]
I'm not familiar with that scenario. However, I applauded when he
fired the air traffic controllers for attempting blackmail tactics
that placed public safety at risk.
> I'll tell you why we haven't made much progress - Conservinazi
> or liberal, most of our legislators are MALE.
[yawn] Women outnumber men. That means that more women are
eligible to vote than men. Obviously, women therefor vote for men.
If you take issue with those who women MUST support in order for
them to gain sufficient votes to be elected; I suggest that you
examine where your opinion ranks with regard to the majority of
other women's opinions. For obvious reasons, I don't believe that
your opinions reflect those of the women voting majority.
Do you find that it is difficult to get people to take your
complaints seriously? What I've outlined above should give
you a hint as to why. If you have to tell people how much you've
suffered, it's probably not as bad as you make it out to be.
(otherwise, you wouldn't need to point it out)
[that philosophy is echoed by one of the world's most powerful women;
Margaret Thatcher]
> Until we reach gender parity, we won't make too much more.
Until you adjust your attitude, you will not be accepted into the
"gender parity" compromise that you seek. Cause vs. effect, Karen.
> You also don't recognize how much this anti welfare tear is anti
> woman.
[yawn] That would only indicate that the majority of welfare abusers
are women - not that the majority of women are welfare abusers.
Your inverse reasoning above is strikingly similar to that of
someone claiming that pot leads to heroin, simply because most
heroin users have tried pot. Incidental effect does not equate
to primary causation.
> Most of those on government assistance are single mothers with
> children.
Yeah, funny thing about having kids. I've never met a man who has
given birth. Coincidentally, the majority of people having abortions
are also women. Most of those single mothers with children also
have deadbeat boyfriends/husbands that don't help out, too.
My point being that the anti-woman portion of your scenario refers
more to the "man" that put her in that position... than the
government that gets stuck with the tab.
> THe lies the conservinazis tell about them, though...
> I agree some restructuring can and should take place.
> But let's cut MILITARY spending and other trash first.
Why FIRST? Why not SIMULTANEOUSLY? Do you perchance have a stake
in our welfare system? Just curious, as I know many people on
government assistance who can't find work, but they can always
find time to hang out on BB systems - with better equipment than
most working people can afford. I hope that you don't fall under
that particular classification.
> ... Real men don't abuse children.
Agreed. Are you surprised that we agree?
If you or a child have been mistreated by a "man", I would hope
that you would not attempt to "blanket classify" other men for
his actions. To do so would be no different than Christians
condemning everyone as "sinners" for Adam's sins.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:41:02
EID:0735 2049bd20
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 1415d931
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 311b734e
> [This post in no way shows my lack of respect for you as a Moderator,
> just my lack of respect for your choice of political parties.]
No need to tuck your tail between your legs when disagreeing, Scot.
>> As a conservative, I believe in treating the PROBLEM; rather
>> than trying to patch symptoms which create more problems in the
> That is a crock of shit. The conservatives have been creating the
> problems with their insensitive policies...the liberals spend all
> their time doing damage-control.
If that were so, how is it that your democratic congress permitted
those policies to be enacted? Presidents don't make the policies.
They merely approve or veto such policies. Congress makes law.
Since you weren't around 40 years ago, I'll assert to you that
you haven't been paying attention to who's been making those
"insensitive" policies for the last four decades. You can't blame
the last 40 years on conservatives, because they weren't in power.
Your liberalist democrats were.
> You sound like a tape-recording repeating the agenda ad nauseam.
Back atcha. At least I don't get my opinion spoonfed to me from
liberalist propaganda sources.
> Are you closet-christian, too?
Eat shit, Scot. I didn't take offense to your earlier bullshit,
but that statement earns you my disrespect in an instant.
It was a stupid statement, even if made in sarcastic jest.
I see no smiley face, nor do I sense one.
> Your beliefs disgust me.
That is your right; just as is it mine to feel likewise toward yours.
Voting is a right. Respect must be earned.
Try to have a nice day.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: information
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:46:03
EID:ee1c 2049bdc0
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REPLY: Fidonet#1:380/16 311af848
> SA> You have the "right" to free thought. If you wish to waive your
> SA> right as it has been explained to you, you are indeed a fundy.
> "You have the right to think for yourself. If you cannot or will not
> think, the court will appoint a religion for you."
Hey, I like it!
Maybe Fredric will see fit to include y/our post/s in his quote file.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:41
EID:3afe 204a1320
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Martin Goldberg mumbled "Circular reasoning"
PS> True, true. Forget about that deal I mentioned. You seem like an
PS> honest type, anyway.
MG> No way. I charge 22.5% interest on loans and have unpaid parking
MG> tickets.
Charging interest on loans? Why, Martin, that's usury. All of those good
Christians will be clamoring for your head shortly.
... When Cthulhu calls, he calls collect.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:41
EID:aa21 204a1320
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Robert Jackson mumbled "God's Word..."
PS> No, actually. I stole the tagline elsewhere, but I was familiar with
PS> the characters of Chiun and Remo from an obscure little film I saw
RJ> "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" wasn't all that
RJ> obscure. It was a big-budget thing with some fairly big names.
Not many people that I know of even knew that such a film existed.
Hell, for a long time, *I* didn't know that it existed.
... The world is coming to an end--online time has been adjusted.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:41
EID:dde3 204a1320
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, J.J. Hitt mumbled "Preston's temper tantrum."
PS> Let me know what the results are.
JH> Nothing much.. except for the slime that keeps oozing from my
JH> keyboard. I did learn that for this time of year R'yleh is on
Have you heard that infernal piping yet?
JH> the same "greyline" with Houston. When the sun rises here, it
JH> will also be rising there.
Amusing as hell.
... In spite of humanity, progress IS made!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't drink it eith
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:41
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kenneth Mcabee mumbled "Staal won't drink it
eith"
KM> There are no other gods. There is only One True God, I would never
^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
I'd ask you for objective evidence of this alleged fact, but you and I
both know that you'd just pander your Bible at me again.
... Cthulhu loves you...with an apple in your mouth.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:41
EID:df71 204a1320
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kenneth Mcabee mumbled "Hello!"
KM>> Pay attention now. Show me the note. I can show you the Bible....
PS> I don't have to show you the note. Prove that I don't have it, as per
your
PS> request that I prove that there isn't a God.
KM> Like I said Preston, I'll see you in court when you try to claim that
KM> money you think I owe you.
And you seriously think that your attempts to get me to prove that there
is
no god would stand up in court? I'm laughing my ass off at you even as I
type this.
KM>> You can call it whatever you want. The point is this, if God can do
KM>> anything, which includes stuff like making floods disappear without
a
PS> Making them disappear without a trace? Isn't that lying? Or at the very
PS> least, obscuring the evidence of his existence?
KM> No it is in no way lying, obscuring the evidence of his existence,
KM> maybe, but then the Bible does tell us to believe by Faith, not by
KM> evidence.
It's lying, Ken. It's saying that nothing happened when something did
indeed happen. Face it. Your god is LYING.
KM>> trace. You cannot prove to me that he does not exist, because first
PS> Of course I can't, largely for the same reasons that I can't prove that
PS> the Sun won't turn into a bran muffin next Tuesday.
KM> Thank you for being truthful.
I have said nothing here that I have not said before, Ken. I cannot prove
that there is no god, just as you cannot prove that you are not a murderer,
nor can I prove that I am not a rabid alcoholic. All that either of us can
do is provide evidence attesting to the veracity of a given statement. That
by itself is not proof. Do you understand?
KM>> off I believe he can do anything. Telling me for instance that there
PS> How nice for you. Belief isn't equal to evidence, Ken. Do you understand
PS> this proposition?
KM> Evidence is not needed for eternal life Preston, Faith is.
Are you finished dispensing evidence that you are so desperate to please
your god that you'll ignore logic and reality?
PS> It must be nice to be ignorant for your god, Ken. Are you beginning
to
PS> grasp why I cannot be a Christian again? With folks like you urging
me
PS> to surrender my mind, I can clearly see that I have better things to
PS> do with my time than become a yammering fanatic for a god who won't
PS> have the common courtesy to show himself to me.
KM> I've never argued you to surrender your mind. Expecting God to show
Suggesting that I become a Christian "or else" is hardly asking me to do
otherwise.
KM> himself to you is no different than the Pharisee's asking Christ for
a
KM> sign. Remember what he told them? "An evil and adulterous nation
Well, damn me for having a mind and daring to use it.
KM> seeketh after a sign". Anytime a sign was asked of him, he said he
KM> would not give it. Not to the Pharisee's, not to Satan, so why would
Would not or could not, Ken?
KM> you expect him to show you a sign Preston? We will all, those who have
Gee, I don't know. Maybe I thought he cared about my soul.
KM>> Faith says that God can do anything, and that he could even create
a
PS> Faith says that there's an invisible pink hippo sitting in the room
with
PS> you right now. So what?
KM> Sorry, faith has nothing to do with invisible pink hippo's, you can
More lies. Since when has Christianity had a monopoly on faith?
PS> That's a screwed-up god you worship, then. A guy who's all fire and
PS> brimstone for half the book, and all bunnies and light with an ominous
PS> side for the other half?
KM> All fire and brimstone for half? Have you read the same book that I
KM> have?
Yes indeed. Are you ignorant of your god's actions in the OT?
KM> even if someone rose from the dead. Interesting that there are many
KM> people today that claim that they died and saw heaven or Christ or
KM> God, and nobody believes them.....
There are people who claim to have been taken aboard alien spacecraft
and "nobody" believes them either. Are you suggesting that aliens are
real?
... "Mine was a lovely world-until the parasites took over." - J. Harshaw
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Dave Oosterman
|Sub: Joy...in salvation...
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:42
EID:6001 204a1320
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Dave Oosterman mumbled "Joy...in salvation..."
PS> Yes, I got your mail--but was unable to reply to it. (Something about
PS> your point-of-origin not having a Netmail address). No, I can no
PS> longer be reached at the old address. If you really want it, I may
PS> give it to you.
DO> And the Fido gateway is shutting down for I-net mail as of 3/1. I'm
DO> looking at other providers, but have no permanent Internet address as
DO> yet. I'd like yours, if I may, and will send out a note when I find
a
psimpson@odin.bucs.cbu
DO> home. Just post it in here, if you would. Thanks, take care. How's
DO> the school, BTW?
It's school. Not much exciting is happening.
... "Bother," said Pooh, as the Cardassians tortured him.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: apostate
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:25:42
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Michael Hardy mumbled "apostate"
JS> When one confesses something, it takes no 'heart vision' to determine
JS> what's going on. You can just take the person at their word then,
JS> can't you?
PS> No. The world is not, as you would like to believe, all
PS> black-and-white, yes-or-no. But I realize that you are handicapped with
PS> permanently polarized thinking and may not realize this simple fact.
MH> So you're saying that if a person confessess -- admits to -- doing
MH> something, and you have no particular reason to think the person is
MH> lying, you still don't take them at their word?
The situation you are describing is not analogous to the one that Jim was
describing (note the inclusion of the modifier "...and you have no particular
reason to think the person is lying...").
If a person of fairly good reputation (IMO) is telling me that he did
something and I have no evidence to the contrary and no reason to think
that the person might might be lying, then I'll most likely take him at
his word.
But, if someone that I don't know well, or someone who has lied to me
repeatedly before, makes a claim that is contradicted by other evidence,
then I have no reason to think that the person is telling the truth.
... "When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good you will not."
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Tom Hart
|To: AARON BOYDEN
|Sub: Allegory
|Date: 09 Feb 96 09:47:02
EID:5e8c 20494de0
AB@>Freud thought himself a scientist, and as you note he had an explanation.
AB@>you don't like his explanation, why do you cite it here? If you do
like it
AB@>do you need another?
I had hoped to reach someone other than Freud. I like Freud's
explanation, there may be other explanations though.
* OLX 2.1 TD * You must prove the existance, not the absence.
--- VFIDO 7.00.11{27 Days Left}
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Bang
|Date: 06 Feb 96 16:59:04
EID:cfe8 20468760
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020738
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
RICHARD MORRISON spoke thusly to PRESTON SIMPSON:
RM>PS>Why couldn't the materials for the Bang have always been there?
RM>PS>Why your god special?
RM>
RM> The way I see it Preston is that a living being existing and being
RM>an always has-been is quite a bit to marvel at... Also if you have a
RM>"thing" or an "object" then there has to be a designer. A creator or
RM>something that made said "object" etc...
Who designed God, then?
... Go Away.
* CMPQwk 1.42 602 * Internet: kdm2@po.cwru.edu *
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: God's word...
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:15:05
EID:3e74 204691e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020749
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
Who the hell are you?
... Even Murphy's Law doesn't work all the time.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Homosexual christians
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:19:06
EID:709a 20469260
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02075a
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
KAREN DAVIS spoke thusly to STEVE ROSE:
KD> SR> Hahaha!!! Miller is one dooooooomed fundy. No gawds for
KD> SR> him...as he snubs his church masters each week! :D
KD>
KD>
KD>Hehe
But . . . that means he'll be in Hell with the rest of us! We've got to
convert him, and fast!
... If fundies aren't there, hell can't be THAT bad!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: In the service...
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:22:07
EID:2c13 204692c0
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02076b
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
RICHARD MORRISON spoke thusly to KARL SCHNEIDER:
RM>KS>RM>in the service for HIS Service
RM>KS>RM>Richard
RM>KS>If you've answered, I missed it. What branch and occupation?
RM>
RM>US Navy // Construction
What the hell is there to build in Kansas City?
... A day without fusion is like night.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Laser tech
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:31:08
EID:81b7 204693e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02077c
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
FREDRIC RICE spoke thusly to J.J. HITT:
FR>jjh> I agree. Looking down INTO the atmosphere presents the same
FR>jjh> optical problems that looking up OUT of it presents. If it was
FR>jjh> simply a matter of computer enhancing the images, the Hubble
FR>jjh> telescope would be totally unnecessary.
FR>
FR>Hubble already is unnecessary. The CCD telecopes in Hawii are
FR>capable of Hubble-level deep-space astronomy. The software which
FR>runs on the data does exclude atmospheric distortion entirely and the
FR>CCD scopes are often coupled to the DSN to provide extreme VLBI
FR>astronomy.
You sure about this? I know the Armed Forces have some groundbased
telescopes that make the Hubble (visually) look like a toy, but I wasn't
aware the new telescopes on Hawaii were working that well.
... Hands up, mothersticker! This is a fuck up!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: one god jesus
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:48:09
EID:f5c5 20469600
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02078d
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
BRAD JACKSON spoke thusly to STEVE ROSE:
BJ> BJ> are you saying that you believe in some other God other
BJ> BJ> then Jesus? Or don't you believe in any God
BJ>
BJ> SR> The jeezoids can keep their robed, bearded boy-wonder. He loves
BJ> SR> taking it in from behind...and fundies such as Staalie love to
BJ> SR> be 'In Him' 24hrs a day. Gross!
BJ>
BJ>Hi Steve.
BJ> You indicate here you must have seen Jesus before. How is it
BJ>that you know he had a beared? I love to be in the family of Jesus
BJ>Christ. I think you are mistaken on the way you are reading your
BJ>bible Steve. I think you may need a little more praying time in
BJ>your day. Many people are diceived by things others have told them,
BJ>with out reading the bible for yourself, how can you make a
BJ>judgement?
Are you really this dense?
... A good scare is better than good advice.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: Religious freedom
|Date: 06 Feb 96 18:58:10
EID:dbc6 20469740
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02079e
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
RICHARD MORRISON spoke thusly to STYX ALLUM:
RM>SA>BZZZZZZT! Were you sleeping through your history classes?
RM>SA>The pilgrims that founded this nation were fleeing FROM
RM>SA>religious persecution - not fleeing WITH it.
RM>
RM>Weren't they fleeing for the right to worship God in their own way?
Yes. Their way and their way only. Non-Puritans were treated about the
same way they had been treated previously.
... Member: International Brotherhood of Tagline Thieves!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Staal's not quality fundy
|Date: 06 Feb 96 19:09:11
EID:1886 20469920
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a0207af
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
FREDRIC RICE spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
FR>dw> I think we're finally making a dent in their reserves. Give us
FR>dw> two hundred more years, and we'll be facing "Tim Allen" grunters.
FR>
FR>Yes, I think that all of FidoNet has learned about the hurtful truth
FR>here at HolySmoke and perhaps Undernet will learn the hurtful truth
FR>about #holysmoke as well.
After last night, who knows?
... Renegade Tagline!! We're tired of Being Kidnapped!!! REBEL!!!!!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking evolungelic
|Date: 06 Feb 96 20:03:12
EID:fd9a 2046a060
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ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
AM> You made the claim that God did not judge Nazi Germany. The burden
AM>of proof is on you.
God did? Where's your evidence?
... And thanks guys . . . I sure feel loved around here.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 08 Feb 96 23:30:13
EID:77a5 2048bbc0
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MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> KDM> This may come as a shock to you, Jim, but there isn't a wide
MH> KDM> network of heathens out here. She may consider you her enemy,
MH> KDM> but that doesn't mean every pagan/atheist does. What happened
MH> KDM> to turning the other cheek and loving your neighbor, BTW?
MH>
MH> Kevin, you misspelled "neighbor's BMW."
... Beatings shall continue until morale improves!!!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Definitions for lumpy
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:07:14
EID:55ca 204998e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a0207e2
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
LYNDA BUSTILLOZ spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
LB>Fredric and Kevin were killing time yakking about Definitions for
LB>lumpy:
LB> FR>LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do
LB> FR>LB> nothing, let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than
LB> FR>LB> words, and give me the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
LB> FR> Poor Linda. It's a shame to see someone as nice as
LB> FR>her suffer under the delusions of superstition.
LB>
LB> KDM> Fred, I'm pretty sure that *wasn't* Lynda.
LB>
LB>Yes, it was. I *do* pray, Kevin. :) The prayer above was one that
LB>helped me deal with the frustration of having a body that was barely
LB>functional during a tough bout with my lupus -- one of the most
LB>difficult things to come to realize in dealing with a condition that
LB>involves chronic pain is to learn that until you stop wasting energy
LB>trying to FIGHT the pain, you only make things worse. Knowing when
LB>to quit and just accept it and ride it out helps make the attacks of
LB>shorter duration. The above prayer (quoted only in part) was of
LB>tremendous help in assisting this impatient person keep that in mind.
Oops. I assumed that you prayed, it's just that you tend to talk about
your religion in relation to what you aren't or what you don't do then
what you are or what you do.
... "You seem a decent fellow. I hate to kill you." - Inigo Montoya
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:10:15
EID:89f1 20499940
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a0207f3
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> DW>> Bullshit, Stevie. I *refuse* to go to Hell. Does this mean
MH> DW>> that I'm going to Heaven? Or is God going to put me in Hell
MH> DW>> regardless of what I want?
MH>
MH> JS>Yup.
MH>
MH> KDM> Real loving god, Jim.
MH>
MH> So what you're saying is, the eternal creator of the universe should
MH> have no standards for his children? He should let murderers and
MH>rapists waltz on into heaven if they want to?
We weren't talking about rapists and murderers, Mike. We were talking
about Worrell. Annoying as you may find him, I happen to consider him a
good person, and, IMO, he doesn't deserve to go to hell simply because
he doesn't believe in the god Jim believes in.
MH> Real just and righteous God you want there, Kevin.
For that matter, is eternal punishment a just reward for *anything*?
Eternity is a forever.
... Type hard. You are making 1,932,247 copies.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Lynda
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:11:16
EID:7bb0 20499960
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020804
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> FR>LB> I am to lie low, help me do it patiently. And if I am to do
MH> FR>LB> nothing, let me do it gallantly. Make these words more than
MH> FR>LB> words, and give me the Spirit of Jesus. Amen.
MH> FR> Poor Linda. It's a shame to see someone as nice as
MH> FR>her suffer under the delusions of superstition.
MH>
MH> KDM> Fred, I'm pretty sure that *wasn't* Lynda.
MH>
MH> Yes, it was.
As she said.
... "Life's gonna suck when you grow up." - Leary
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: The only thing for which
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:11:17
EID:2298 20499960
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020815
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MARTY LEIPZIG spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
ML> ZA>Oh yeah... Just to make sure... Are you Christian? If not, what
ML> ZA>are you?
ML>
ML> KDM> This is *rich*. Hmmmm . . . Jim would make a good Muslim,
ML>though.
ML> The only thing good that Jimbo would make is fertilizer.
Makes sense. He spews enough of it.
... At least Congress doesn't make death worse every year.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Apostate
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:12:18
EID:811b 20499980
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
You Jacobites by name, lend an ear, lend an ear!
You Jacobites by name lend an ear.
You Jacobites by name, your faults I will proclaim,
your doctrine I must blame you shall hear, you shall hear,
your doctrine I must blame you shall hear.
... Never take a beer to a job interview.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:27:19
EID:54b4 20499b60
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020837
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
And the Old Det, he runs slow but he runs deep,
and the rising tide will rock us both to sleep,
like the river Det my love runs deep and slow,
and it's with you love wherever you may go.
... 1 GB of RAM = Instant heating in winter.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Export...
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:30:20
EID:091c 20499bc0
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020848
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
Give me charcoal to the measure two.
Send the bullet where you want it to.
Give me sulfer to the measure three.
Make that powder gonna keep you free.
Give me salt peter, measure fifteen.
Sweetest shootin' that you've ever seen.
... Conservative Rule #4: Arguments are lost only to communists.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: In his own image
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:21
EID:0cc8 20499c00
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a020859
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
So let us go a-Ramboing among the live grenades,
oh let us go a-Ramboing all lively youths and maids.
With an Uzi in your left hand and machete in your right,
oh let us go a-Ramboing out on the town tonight.
... Paranoia virus: deletes all files & replaces them with duplicates.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jim staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:32:22
EID:3db1 20499c00
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02086a
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
JH> DW> Styx wanted a MORMON to win the election?
JH>
JH> Stands to reason. They are violently opposed to any form of
JH> social program, have no morals, are totaly motivated by greed
JH> and most of them are so far down the evolutionary chain that they
JH> still have gills.
JH>
JH> They make perfect Republicans.
Wow. I'm speechless.
... Got a mind like a steel trap - a bit rusty and illegal in 19 states.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Redacted stories
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:34:23
EID:a0dc 20499c40
MSGID: 1:157/200 4a02087b
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
Pull up your guns, run while you can,
look out here comes the Union man.
... File Not Found. Backup Not Found. Sure you don't want a drink?
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Al Schroeder
|Date: 09 Feb 96 06:26:41
EID:d2f6 20493340
MSGID: 1:207/212 22b00b63
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3118f2d2
On (07 Feb 96) David Worrell wrote to All...
DW> Unfortunately, Al and his family had an accident last night. Part of
his
DW> house caught fire, and his computer was one of the things damaged. No
one
DW> was hurt, though, so he ought to be back soon.
Please relay my condolences for his family's losses.
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|From: RONALD VASS
|To: KAREN DAVIS
|Sub: control
|Date: 09 Feb 96 22:52:00
EID:c61a 2049b680
KD> RV> Lots of luck on trying to get him to understand that,he's view on
KD> RV> control of the women ,hasn't change too much ,in the passed year
and a
KD> RV> half.
KD>True.
Agree. It's sad.
KD>[BTW if you wish your intelligence to shine through, it is best to check
KD>spelling and grammar.]
What intelligence i have is likely limited ,and as to spelling and
grammar . It was bad in school , and it still is , english seems not
to sink in , yet ,with programming computers ,I have no problem.
I ,myself do not understand this at all . It's like trying to express
my thoughts , what i want to say ,and what i do ,finally say , never
match at all.
KD> RV> If he gives a good answer to this , could you post it to me please
KD> RV> ,i would like to see his answer . Fido problems ,this end , big
time.
KD>Will do. I have NEVER seen a valid answer to the comparison of
KD>miscarriages and thereputic abortions.
Like you , I have never seen a good answer on this
question,either.
KD> RV> If outlawed ,women will still die ,via. bad abortions ,it happen
before
KD> RV> it can happen again.
KD>Agreed.
KD> RV> Just a side note , if you please , ok , i'm male , where do i get
any
KD> RV> say in what my wife/girl friend ,does with a possible child, it's
not
KD> RV> my body ,it can damage. My view as a male ,same applys to women
pass
KD> RV> child bearing age , they should have No say ,either way ,what a
women
KD> RV> does ,in reguard to haveing or not haveing a child.
KD> RV> What is your opion.
KD>That's one of the tough ones. The only thing I can say is that 1. it
is
KD>in her body. This grants sole rights during that period. 2. There are
I ask , because any time i see the crowds on TV or in the paper,it
seems to me , the older women ,and males ,make up the larger portion
of the crowds. I know this is going to sound like the male pig vane ,
but here goes .To myself ,since they will not
be in that predicament ,and the males ,for sure will never carry
a possible fetus ,they shouldn't be against any women who wants to get
rid of a pregnancy.
KD>tons of decisions one partner can make alone that affect the other one's
KD>life permanently - my husband could accept a job in another state, for
This is true , but there again that is external of your body. For a
women to be bow beaten into going full term and keeping a child ,the
possible abuse for that child down the road ,to my mind is going to be greater. If she is that way. Hate and anger ,disperse
upon the child.
KD>example and 3. men will get in any individual situation precisely the
KD>input their behavior warrants. Husbands who have proven their
KD>willingness to support financially and emotionally will most likely get
KD>nearly a 50% say. A jerk whose first words are "I'll prove 3 other guys
KD>slept with you the same week" is not going to get much say.
Perhaps ,thats why i got an early snip. I love my sisters kids,that
more then enough for me. As to the , I don't think any male
friends of mine , would fit that boat , but understand ,just what you do
mean.
KD>AFTER it's out of her, the man gets a precisely equal say, in my
KD>opinion. Unless he willingly gives it up.
For a child ,any child ,those willing to give it care and love ,should
always have some say.
KD>No, it isn't perfectly fair, but there is no fair way to handle the
KD>situation. Leaving women unassisted by the father isn't fair, either.
Leaving a women in a situation like that -Alone- ,is where i think
socity should be allowed to step in ,but only for support of of women
and child.Saying this , i will also say , the father ,shouldn't be
forced to live at a lower status then the women ,either.
Who the hell ,ever said life was fair. If it's written somewhere
i want a refund.
Have a Great day.
ron.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Swap 'em
|Date: 09 Feb 96 03:11:00
EID:15ae 20491960
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> KW> It must be 'tic', then. Are you twitching, you mealy mouthed
JB> KW> poltroon?
JB>In that case, wouldn't 'Tic-Tac' be a better choice?
KW> Artificially sweet. You have a point, Judith.
Actually, I was thinking more that a mealy-mouthed poltroon might need a
breath freshener.
... I'm weird, but around here it's barely noticable.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:52:00
EID:79bc 20493e80
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Judith Bandsma <=-
KW> That reminds me of the urban legend about the society hostess that
KW> served cat food on crackers for an hors d'oeuvre.
Might be an urban legend, but in my much younger and poorer days, I once
made stew from Alpo beef chunks. I hadn't had any meat in almost a month
and that was all I could afford. Actually, it wasn't bad. Of course, I
DID know what I was eating.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 09 Feb 96 05:14:00
EID:a2a6 204929c0
-=> Quoting Don Martin to Judith Bandsma <=-
DM> pouring slip! Surely a scrotum with alligator clips and
DM> wires is not too tough to mold--what with the weekend (and
Well, making the mold wouldn't be hard. But you do realize what temperatures
curing plaster reach, don't you? Maybe I should save that for someone I
DON'T like.
... Now, Here's John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Bartender!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 05:27:00
EID:491d 20492b60
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Ryan Shaw <=-
JJH>> User Favorite Poison
JJH>> - The Late J.J. Hitt Sugar-laden teeth rotting Cola
RS> Ryan Shaw draught Guinness
Judith Bandsma Diet Coke
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 09 Feb 96 06:45:00
EID:b26a 204935a0
-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Judith Bandsma <=-
JH> I hope you told him no.
JH> fine. But it sounds like this guy had something STUPID in mind.
I certainly did tell him no. Firstly because I don't have anything like
that. Secondly because I don't WANT anything like that. I have a few
novelty items that are cute. Even did up a bunch of them for a local 'movie'
company. Those were just paint over greenware, though, as they wanted
something easily breakable. (And greenware doesn't leave sharp edges)
Thirdly, even just talking to this guy on the phone gave me the creeps.
I
don't feel like I want him coming to the shop. (Especially since the shop
is on the same property as my home.)
... Now, Here's John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:02:00
EID:bb1d 20493840
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Robert Jackson <=-
KW> hate is the lancet in a fingertip that they use to draw a sample
KW> before they take your donation.
Yesssssss! And the technician who knows how to do it just 'so'...so that
it hurts for 3 days afterward. Or misses and jabs you right under the
fingernail.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:12:00
EID:7e1f 20493980
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Judith Bandsma <=-
MH> Why do we have to bother with that, and the discomfort [?] to the
MH> animals when we obviously don't need them in the cities? We already
MH> have an effective law enforcement unit here ...
Because horses make a good way of breaking the barriers between the police
and the people. Even when not working crowd control, a mounted officer
will draw a crowd. Most people will want to pet the animal. In the course
of that, conversations start. Kids especially start to see the police as
people and not the enemy. As turnabout, the mounted officer also gets
exposed to the people as more than 'uncaught felons'. A mounted patrol is
good public relations.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: MALE HAREMS
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:17:00
EID:0291 20493a20
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Judith Bandsma <=-
MH> Make sly comments; sometimes your partner needs a nudge. "Oh, I
MH> wish _someone_ was around to massage my scalp ..." =)
Well, if statements like 'I LOVE to have my hair brushed', and straight
out questions like 'would you massage my scalp for me?' don't work, I
don't think sly hints will. No, this is one I just have to resign myself
to never getting.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SCREW UP
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:55:00
EID:a024 20493ee0
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Robert Berndt <=-
MG> Go back and read the first amendment very carefully. It's jackasses
MG> like you that make me very scared.
And with the signing of the telecomm bill, the first amendment has just
been handed to those jackasses to do with as they will.
Everybody says that the ban on discussion of abortion on the net is
unconstitutional and will be overturned. For the moment, however, it IS
illegal. I can't help but see the RR trying to make sure it is enforced.
In fact, this message is probably also illegal as I used the word.
Let's see, I can have an abortion if I want to but I can't DISCUSS the
topic over an electronic medium. yeah...right!
... Tagline Deleted: Nothing funny about this shit.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: All
|Sub: goodbye old friend
|Date: 09 Feb 96 10:27:00
EID:c76d 20495360
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Èͼ Èͼ Èͼ Èͼ
1st Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
1776-1996
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|From: Annette Spence
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Re: Kenny is back into his denial.
|Date: 10 Feb 96 01:43:08
EID:eb6e 204a0d60
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8010
KM> * Origin: Maximum Overdrive Hampton, Va 804-838-6092 (1:271/460)
I used to hail from Hampton VA.
--- Borelli Balda Sleq
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: A TALE OF 2 CITIES...
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:12:00
EID:8bde 20489980
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-> On 02-05-96 22:59, Rob Burcham got back to Al Schroeder
RB> The knowledge revealed in the bible is limited to what the
RB> Hebrews knew at the time. And their erroneous assumptions
RB> were not divinely corrected. It's almost as if God is just
RB> some old Hebrew guy.
Strange.... I wonder if Yahweh was really spelled "Methusala"...
... Xian spawned: (A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:26:00
EID:c1e7 20489b40
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-> On 02-08-96 00:59, Mark Hogan got back to Judith Bandsma
JB> We have a mounted patrol here in Charleston. Horses are VERY good for
MH> BTW: A car is bigger than a horse, and can assuredly push people
MH> back just as effectively. So can a variety of other things, both
MH> mechanical and otherwise.
Not quite the same. A car is fully under the control of the
driver. A horse, being a horse, has a discernable temperament.
Though it's under the control of the rider, it can kick and
move on it's own.
Yes, it's a very good form of crowd control, as the general
crowd is somewhat skittish about how well the horse itself
can actually be controlled by the rider. See also Hannibal
and the efficacy of elephant(s).
... "Sight is a facility, seeing is an art."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:29:00
EID:7928 20489ba0
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-> On 02-06-96 10:40, Norbert Sykes got back to Dan Ceppa
MG> Why is human life different from other animal life?
PS> "Because we have *souls*!"
DC> And, Aretha Franklin is our Queen!
NS> And James Brown is our King! A-MEN!
DC> Now, let's get the 440 with the Police suspension and the Police
DC> tires wound up and get the fuck ought of here...
NS> Okay, you drive. I've got toast to make and a shitload of sixpacks
NS> to open...
NS> -Elwood };)
Don't forget to fix that lighter. It seems to be missing...
... "Our lady of blessed acceleration don't fail me now." -Elwood P Dobbs
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kelsey Bjarnason
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:32:00
EID:0e8e 20489c00
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-> On 02-06-96 20:17, Kelsey Bjarnason got back to Michael Hardy
Welcome back, Kelsey! Or have you been lurking or has FIDO
been eating your posts too?
MH> I strongly disagree. In my religion, everything natural is of value
MH> because it is all part of God's creation.
KB> or not we should bother protecting natural resources, because
KB> Jesus might be coming soon.
Remind him of James Watt, the former Secretary of the Interior
down in this neck of the woods.. I did!
... Established theology tends to persist despite new technology.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:36:00
EID:dbe4 20489c80
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-> On 02-07-96 07:42, Michael Hardy got back to Preston Simpson
PS> "Because we have *souls*!"
MH> Pretty much, yeah.
PS> A strange argument. How do you know this to be true?
MH> I don't. I *believe* it to be true. It's an integral part of my
MH> worldview. I can't demonstrate it to an unbeliever, and wouldn't
MH> claim to.
IOW, you have to give up what you have learned and can see and
throw it all away...
So, Mikey, why did your god give you a brain that can reason
and ask you to drop it in the dumpster?
... Do you worship an evil god or an incompetent one? Simon Ewins
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: BUS CRASH
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:42:00
EID:b635 20489d40
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-> On 02-05-96 16:50, Judith Bandsma got back to J.j. Hitt
SB> services of an attorney involved in Employer/Employee relations. They
JB>
JB> JJ, you are a wealth of valuable information. I'm SO glad you were
JB> able to help Scot with this. (You evil heathen, you.)
Hmmmm, wonder what Jesse would say about that.... :)
Then again, isn't he supposed to be a lawyer and know all of
that stuff? }:-)
... "Ciya is a blasphemous tool of your cunning." - Jesse Jones, 9/23/93
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: BUS CRASH
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:53:00
EID:5fd0 20489ea0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E30
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-07-96 23:46, J.j. Hitt got back to Judith Bandsma
JB> you were able to help Scot with this. (You evil heathen,
JB> you.)
JH> Damne... I haven't seen Scot's message yet.
Here's Scott's reply on that. Sorry you missed it, but I only
saw it myself via Judith's reply...
SB> Thanks to our beloved, genderless JJ, I have since procured the
SB> services of an attorney involved in Employer/Employee relations. They
SB> think I have a case and are doing an investigation to see if we got
a
SB> case.
JB> Great! I'm really glad that someone here was able to give you more than
JB> moral support. THIS is computer networking at its best.
JH> But don't overplay my role. All I did was point out (repeatedly, I
I won't undeplay it, either.
JH> collect unemployment and (2) they were hoping he would just "go
JH> away". I'm glad he's being less than cooperative.
So am I.
BTW, never saw your "advice message", but it seems to have least
gotten things going!
... You can only put chains on your own mind
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Christmas
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:43:00
EID:a9ac 2048a560
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E31
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-03-96 07:48, Judith Bandsma got back to David Worrell
-> Re: Christmas
JB>
--- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 100 Beta
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Judith, there was at least one other message that you sent in
this packet with the same "non-context". Is your OLR doing
you in, or is there something else causing the problem?
Here's the other one that I found. Notice the origin line:
| From: Judith Bandsma
| To: Katherine Wintersnight
| Subj: A Day In The Life...
+ Menu ------------------------
--- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 100 Beta
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This may help locate the culprit, as I got this "empty" message
as well:
| From: David Worrell
| To: J.j. Hitt
| Subj: Fundamentalists R Us
+-------------------------------- Prev --
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Seems like 1:100/365 is having hicups...
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Les Wilcox
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:15:00
EID:10db 2048a1e0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E32
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-06-96 13:56, Les Wilcox got back to Dan Ceppa
LW> +++
LW> OK
LW> ;6f;6f;6fOK;6f;6f;6f;6f;6f;6fOK;6f;6f;6f;6f;6f;6fOK;6f;6f;6f;6f;6f;6fOK
[deleted]
LW> 3m6;69f3;6f;5c034324;;f8fffffffffffffffff4FFfffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Very erudite of you, Less. Have a point to make, or did your finally
go off of the Deepends?
... Barnum was wrong ... it's more like every 30 sec.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Les Wilcox
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:18:00
EID:10db 2048a240
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E33
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-06-96 16:13, Les Wilcox got back to Karen Davis
KD>Gee.. if I tell a class I'm teaching they may have 10 more minutes to
KD>work, play, or whatever, am I not assuming discontinuation of that
LW> You really enjoy beating a dead horse, don't you?
Seems like you have a bit of kick in you, but it's only
because you are are a cross from a donkey and a horse.
LW> Just leave me you credit card number and I'll be able to
LW> register everyone's shareware.
Why? So you can steal more?
... Origin: STERCVS BOVINUS! NETWORK: Slinging Bullshit for Juh-HAY-zus!!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: flood
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:25:00
EID:9c22 2048a320
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E34
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-06-96 19:05, Martin Goldberg got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> So, Martin Godberg, when did you become a deity?
MG> Depends on what kinda shit I'm smoking.
With the load Staal'ed strewed around here, I bet you think
you are in heaven!
...El Ropo's, for those that are strung out.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Godless Nation
|Date: 08 Feb 96 20:48:00
EID:785b 2048a600
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E35
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-06-96 19:34, Tim Pauly got back to Styx Allum
SA> Benjamin Franklin:
SA> As to Jesus of Nazareth, I think the system of Morals and his
TP> -snip-
TP> I'd like to know where you got these "quotes" from.
TP>
TP> Not from a book written more than 10 years ago, I am certain.
Save your money, you'll need it to pay the devil.
... Cheerios ei...."you are breakfast cereal".
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Les Wilcox
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 08 Feb 96 23:00:00
EID:93e4 2048b800
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E36
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-06-96 16:09, Les Wilcox got back to Karen Davis
LW> View it how ever you will.. I'll be using this shareware until
LW> I a time I so choose to pay for it.
IOW, you are using it beyound the bounds of the author.
Sleep well, in your xian attitude of theft. Reconcile that
with the god that will send you to Hell for that theft.
... "I have a big problem with education, but that's another arguement"
KM
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Charles Ring
|Sub: position
|Date: 09 Feb 96 07:59:00
EID:b105 20493f60
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E37
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-> On 02-07-96 23:33, Charles Ring got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> If you happen to have a fetus in _your womb_, you are most
DC> welcome to make your comments. ITMT, until you grow a womb
CR> Sophomoric nonsense. Everyone, of both sexes, is affected by the whole
CR> reproductive process.
Not equally. When you run the risk of dying due to a pregnancy, get
back to me.
... How do we want Charles Ring? Pregnant!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re:Adam
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:12:00
EID:ab6f 20496980
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E38
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-> On 02-07-96 13:48, Katherine Wintersnight got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> DC>I bet that perks up the traffic on his his Threesomes Message base!
DC> KW> Something's going to have to. It sure looks like he couldn't get
any
DC> KW> action on his own.
DC>You mean to say that Xian Miller's hand have finally gotten
DC>tired?
KW> Well, I'd lay odds that one forearm was noticeably bigger than the
KW> other. :)
Not takers from this side, that's for sure!
... "Bother," said Pooh, after his little midnight tryst with Kanga.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:14:00
EID:55ae 204969c0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E39
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-07-96 16:00, Preston Simpson got back to Dan Ceppa
PS> I used to be a fundy, and thus still remember how they think.
DC> ^^^^^^^^^^
DC> Got any evidence to show that they are capable of that, oh
DC> God of the Twinkies?
PS> Got to have a mind to be able to double-think, Dan.
True, but it takes a non-thinker to actually fall for it!
... "Oh, bother", said Pooh as he set his laser designators on the church.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: census
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:21:00
EID:e7ed 20496aa0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E3A
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-> On 02-05-96 19:15, Judith Bandsma got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Why do you, other than the fact that the story requires the
DC> travel to confirm itself?
JB> If I remember right, wasn't it Mike who was saying that the slaughter
JB> of the babies couldn't have amounted to much, if it happened at all,
I think he did mention something on that line...
JB> If the story of that was exaggerated, or an outright lie, and it was
JB> told by 'people who were in a position to know what happened', then
how
JB> can he hold the story of traveling for the census to be a fact?
As above... The story, and his belief, requires it to be so.
JB> that time frame, even though there are ones on either side of it. (Both
JB> being either too early or too late to have contained the time of the
JB> birth.)
You have to believe it, as the lack of evidence shows that the
evidence was destroyed?
... Fundamentalism is merely stupidity raised to a higher power.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: children
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:25:00
EID:37dd 20496b20
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 891F0E3B
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-07-96 07:54, Michael Hardy got back to Frederick Leff
FL> Again, I thought no one is free of sin? So, if unborn children are
FL> free of sin, then they are not people, and therefore abortion is
FL> alright. Fun!
MH> You are very weird. I never said any such thing. God did not create
MH> people for the purpose of having their lives cut short.
Then, Mikey, why do 2/3 of all pregnancies result in a miscarriage
or a spontaneous abortion?
... I'm deserving of death because of my Lord. - Jerry Wilcox
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: misogynist
|Date: 09 Feb 96 18:18:00
EID:78cc 20499240
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-> On 02-05-96 19:24, Judith Bandsma got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> (I think it was Judith he said this to) to be a "silly woman"?
JB>
JB> Marilyn was the 'silly woman'. I'm the 'silly female twit'.
Thanks for straightening that out! ....then again, who's the
"silly b***h? Seems like that is Sue Armstrong.
... Fundy God: "Lord of the Lies"
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: RE: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 09 Feb 96 18:23:00
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-> On 02-07-96 13:48, Katherine Wintersnight got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>Hope you eventually find it... Sounds like it was a family heirloom.
KW> No, it was a gift from Bear.
Same thin, or at least will be!
KW> rather severe arthritis in my hands, and the large barrel size makes
KW> them easier to hold. It will probably turn up, I do remember putting
Must make typing rather hard. I just hate little pens as they
don't fit well in my hand. Besides, my writing is bad enough
with a reasonably sized pen!
KW> keep a couple of cheap Parkers in there to loan). Things disappear
and
KW> reappear regularly around here.
Ask my daughter... She can find anything!
DC> DC>Well, I have a pair of red and green and another mis-matched pair
DC> KW> If I wanted to make some psychotic sock animals.
DC>Well, it was the Yule season, so I figured that the choice of
DC>colors would give you a grin!
KW> Oh, and here I was picturing you in nothing but psychotic socks.
Besides, Jimbo never sent me a pair. You'll have to ask
him for a True Set of Socks...
... Who got the short end of the stick in the Bobbit affair?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Re: The Ultimate Shit Lis
|Date: 09 Feb 96 18:27:00
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-> On 02-06-96 10:36, Norbert Sykes got back to Dan Ceppa
JS> the well of rudzinski westsidePolishism.
NS> ^^^^^^
DC> See what happens when you OLR strips out spaces! I corrected the
NS> Ah, my apologies. I had no idea that the software was futzing with
NS> it at all. I'm running Bluewave, and it doesn't seem to do that for
Actually, I don't think that it's BW that does that. I've got
my text editor set that way. It usually works very well for
text, but messes thinks up a bit when things are heavily indented.
Plays big havoc with ASCII pictures, too. I save them to disk and
then re-import them. Seems to work ok, as I don't do many graphics
based messages.
NS> reply, I'm getting shined on on this one. I, too, saw the jewboy
NS> reference. Clearly clan material. As for calling someone a
DC> Hardy. He's been trying to defend Staal to all comers. Must
NS> Well, it IS the charatable (read that XTIAN) thing to do, right? And
Thanks for the help!
NS> I have to admit though...this place is great for trolling for
NS> taglines...
That's one of the reasons Al Schroeder dropped by and stayed!
... "Bother," said Pooh, as his left side went all numb and tingly.
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|From: Bill Wolff
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Looking Foolish... (EVOLUTION)
|Date: 09 Feb 96 04:18:31
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On (04 Feb 96) Martin Goldberg wrote to Karl Schneider...
MG> You have presented nothing of value here. You basically copied
MG> some stuff down without understanding it, simply becasue it
MG> reflected your viewpoint.
KS> Oops, I see you already noticed......
MG> Richie looks like history on HS...having joined the ranks of
MG> the Stringfellow, the Staal, and the Wolff, all cowards thta
MG> made themselves look foolish here and had to run away.
Martin! It seems you still have a lot to learn. First off, I'm no
coward, nor made myself look foolish here and had to run away. As
I've never left. As a wise being once said: "A wise man may look
ridiculous in the company of fools." So I ask, what would a wise man
get out of by debating with fools? Rather, I find studying research
from intellectual beings more fulfilling than arguing with morons.
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|From: Terry Liberty-Parker
|To: All
|Sub: US Bans AbortionSpeak
|Date: 09 Feb 96 17:38:03
EID:87fe 20498cc0
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-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: AUSTIN_LIBERTY) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Originally from Adam Guasch-Melendez (1:382/87.0) to All.
Original dated: Feb 09 '96, 17:31
From: agm@cais3.cais.com (Adam Guasch-Melendez)
Date: 8 Feb 1996 00:13:29 GMT
Here's the text of a press release from the Center for Reproductive Law
and
Policy, released February 7, 1996:
==============================================================
Women's Health Advocates Challenge Communications Bill Gag on
Abortion Information on the Internet
Brooklyn, New York - In papers filed this afternoon
in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York,
attorneys representing women's health care providers and advocates asked
a three-judge court to prevent imminent enforcement of a criminal ban on
abortion information. Buried in the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the
little-noticed section would make it a federal crime to use interactive
computer systems to provide or receive information about abortion.
Individual violators would face up to $250,000 in fines and/or five years
in prison for a first offense; fines would be doubled for organizations.
The communications bill, which was passed by both houses of Congress on
February 2, is expected to be signed by President Clinton late tomorrow
morning; the challenged provisions would take effect immediately.
Represented by the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy, plaintiffs
assert that they would be subject to the law because they use the
Internet for commercial and non-commercial speech concerning abortion.
"The staunchly anti-choice members of Congress have tried to further
their extreme agenda by launching a stealth attack on the ability of
women's health care advocates and providers to share information and
obtain products that further women's health and well-being," said Simon
Heller of the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy, who represents the
advocates and health care providers in Sanger v. Reno.
The 1996 omnibus legislative package governing the telecommunications
industry includes amendments to the infamous Comstock Act, an 1873
federal obscenity statute that made it a crime to send material on
contraceptives or abortion through the mail. Used to prosecute Margaret
Sanger and other pioneers in the birth control movement, the law was
revised by Congress in 1971 to remove the language concerning
contraceptives. However, the restrictions on abortion information and
materials remained on the books, even in the wake of the U.S. Supreme
Court's 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade which effectively legalized abortion.
As amended by the 1996 communications law, 18 U.S.C. Section 1462(c)
applies to taking or receiving, via interactive computer service, "any
drug, medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, or intended for
producing abortion ... or any written or printed card, letter, circular,
book, pamphlet, advertisement, or a notice of any kind giving
information, directly or indirectly, where, how, or of whom, or by what
means any of such mentioned articles, matters or things may be obtained
or made."
According to the complaint, the challenged provision violates the
First Amendment right to freedom of speech and freedom of the press, the
Fifth Amendment right to have notice of prohibited conduct, and the Fifth
Amendment right to make personal reproductive decisions. The ban on
abortion information is broad enough to encompass a wide range of
activities, including advertisements of abortion services; Internet
transmission of chemical formulas for drugs such as mifepristone or
methotrexate, which can be used to induce abortion; purchase or sale over
the Internet of medical equipment, such as the vacuum aspiration machine
used in the abortion procedure; and bulletin board or World Wide Web
sites that tell women where they can obtain abortions. In addition, the
pre-existing law prohibits, for example, transporting medical equipment
used in abortions across state lines.
Plaintiffs in the case, who file on behalf of themselves and all
others similarly situated, are: Alexander Sanger, President of Planned
Parenthood of New York City (PPNYC), and PPNYC; Rhonda Copelon, Professor
of Law at the City University of New York in Queens; Adam
Guasch-Melendez, a Washington, D.C. resident who maintains a site on the
World Wide Web; the California Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action
League (North) (CARAL); the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights
Action League (NARAL); the Feminist Majority Foundation; Medical Students
for Choice; and the National Abortion Federation. They are represented by
the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy's Simon Heller, Janet Benshoof
and Kathryn Kolbert and NARAL's Marcy Wilder and Nicole McLaughlin.
=======================================================================
Adam Guasch-Melendez The Abortion Rights Activist Home Page
agm@cais.com http://www.cais.com/agm/
Member, HTML Writers' Guild Point Survey Top 5 Percent of the Web
A Magellan 4-Star Web Site
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: flood
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:58:22
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Martin Goldberg wrote in a message to Dan Ceppa:
DC> So, Martin Godberg, when did you become a deity?
MG> Depends on what kinda shit I'm smoking.
Hopefully green shit, not brown shit.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: In the service...
|Date: 09 Feb 96 21:58:55
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Karen Davis wrote in a message to Richard Morrison:
RM> US Navy // Construction
KD> I was not aware there was a Seabee unit in Missouri. My dad's
KD> stations were Adak and Port Hueneme.
They're all really busy protecting our coastlines...there in Missouri.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 09 Feb 96 22:00:30
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J.J. Hitt wrote in a message to The Raven:
JJH> The photos of Reagan SOUND ASLEEP at the table durring the G-7
JJH> talks were priceless. I can still remember on conservative trying
JJH> to cover his embarassment by claiming "it wasn't a very important
JJH> meeting, anyway". And then there were the photos of him at
JJH> another meeting where he was wearing his headphones sideways.
Don't forget the Bush-Puke debacle. Not that it was in his control or anything.
Bad sushi is bad sushi. It 'twas funny, even if it was a liberalist media
plot to show the episode over and over again. Gotta watch out for those
liberalist media twonks.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 22:03:13
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J.J. Hitt wrote in a message to Styx Allum:
JJH> I aint tellin'. (It's a Liberal Secret.)
There's no doubt in my mind that the 12 Jewish bankers that control the
entire liberalist media brainwashing machine are in bed with the TSG --
that's Telepathic Shadown Government.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: All
|Sub: The Unofficial Holysmoke Pick Yer Poison List
|Date: 09 Feb 96 22:46:51
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Please send in your entries!
The Unofficial Holysmoke Pick Yer Poison List
The Late J.J. Hitt Death Spell Test Site Sugar-laden teeth rotting Cola
Marilyn Burge Freethinker Sutter Homes' White Zinfandel
Ryan Shaw atheist draught Guinness
Steve Quarrella Atheist Creemore Ale or any decent
porter
John Prewett Sister Lover/Bitch the blood of Christ
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jim
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:31:53
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J.J. Hitt wrote in a message to Steve Rose:
SR> That is when Bush pounded with his hand and shouting back,
SR> "Because WE are not the butchers. WE are not the
SR> barbarians! We did only what we HAD to do!"
SR> I felt proud for him that day...as he said the right thing.
JJH> Damned shame it was a fucking lie.
JJH> We killed over 100,000 civilians in that war.
JJH> We didn't "have" to.
Damn shame that the resulting embargo has killed nearly 130,000 infants
due to lack of formula, etc. Those are innocent civilian infants, but who's
counting?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:33:08
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Andrew Masten wrote in a message to Frederick Leff:
FL> Oh come on now, you can do better than that! I have read the bible
FL> and it says that your god kills millions of people (ie- the flood),
FL> takes back his word, lies, etc... Tell me what your god is like, who
FL> is he?
AM> God is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
AM> God loves unconditionally.
AM> He is just.
AM> But He is merciful.
AM> He knows the future as if it already happened.
AM> He is not a man that He should lie.
AM> He changes not.
AM> There is none beside him.
AM> Our wisdom is His folly.
AM> Our strength is His weakness.
AM> His ways are not our ways.
AM> His thoughts are not our thoughts.
AM> He has a sense of humor.
AM> I hope that gives you some idea. All these attributes come from the
AM> bible.
And so does the mass killings. Answer the damn question. Why does your
god murder?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: in His own image
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:34:46
EID:839d 2049bc40
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CHRS: ibmpc 2
Judith Bandsma wrote in a message to Jose Gomez:
JB> Aroor, aroor. Smack. Watch the passing watching the passing waiting
JB> good houndling, goo. Smack. Foot carbon-eater smell. Hand
JB> carbon-eater. Tear grind lips and liver carbon-eater. Gnash sounds
JB> make good. Insides spread for frolic, lumping. Smack. Aroor. Good
JB> grayling, good.
God said it, I believe it, and that's that.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: Internet Decency Protest
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:35:56
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Norbert Sykes wrote in a message to All:
NS> Just wanted to share with you something I've seen at the ends of
NS> messages in some of the Internet newsgroups. I thought you would
NS> all appreciate the tone of this:
> Communications "decency" protest: This legislation is a fucking
> abortion of justice, passed by cocksuckers interested only in
> pandering to the twisted, perverse desires of the religious right
> for control over discussions of tits, cocks, cunts and other
> "non-approved" subjects.
NS> As you can see, it seems to hit all the high spots...
I think you totally missed the point of the internet sig. Read it over
again, consult the actual bill in question, and see if you get it.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:37:43
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Styx Allum wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
> And polluting the environment and treating his workers like shit.
SA> You bought it... Hook, line, and sinker. They suckered you just
SA> like a preacher suckers a fundy.
Wow. I'm now a fundamentalist voter. Neither Republicrat or Democan, BTW.
I feel honored, especially with the remark coming from you -- the one who
buys into a party line. Political parties are religions.
SA> I'm disappointed, Ryan. I know
SA> you well enough to know that you are intelligent, and always strive
SA> to do "the right thing".
I don't really care if you are disappointed with my voting record. I don't
do things to avoid your disappointment.
SA> It's unfortunate that you allowed
SA> yourself to be swayed by a campaign which was obviously laden with
SA> boldface lies and contradictions that would make a bible look
SA> reliable.
I might point out that the lies came from BOTH sides, not just the 12 Jewish
bankers who were obviously controlling the evil liberalist media machine.
They work behind the scenes of course.
SA> It _is_ according to those who were employed by Smith Frozen Foods,
SA> that were outraged enough to speak out against the fraudulent
SA> allegations made in Wyden's smear campaign. That company is large
SA> enough that it provides 15% of the United States' frozen peas &
SA> corn. To attribute an accidental spill (obviously, it was not
SA> deliberate) to the president of such a company... would be as
SA> inappropriate as if someone were to blame me for something you
SA> posted in HolySmoke.
Smith also got federal tax revenue to clean up his fuckup. Regardless of
if it was a mistake or not, he is in big business and he does pollute the
environment. You don't think that he would be swayed to vote against certain
environmental bills so that he could make more money by not doing the right
thing? Big business and government is an obvious conflict of interest.
Just look at the defense contractors.
BTW, why do I always hear you bitching about `scum-of-the-earth' welfare
leeches when the big loss is in pork projects and welfare for big business
and the defense industry?
> On THAT we can agree. From MY point of view he was simply the
> lesser of the two evils.
SA> You allowed Smith's dogmatic alignment to steer you back onto
SA> Wyden's path?
First, I don't vote for fundamentalist mormons with big interests in big
companies. The latter is a severe conflict of interest.
Second, if Smith was to go with the `Contract on America' and all of that
Republican revolution bullshit as you said he stated he would he would be
cutting federal student aid and voting against environmental protection
laws in order to directly aid big business [where he has personal interests].
Those things I cannot agree with, not in my current position at least.
It's called investment, Styx. The federal government helps me through grants
and low interest loans to get through school so that I can be an educated
and productive member of society later in life. I will give back far more
than I have taken.
To simply state it, I wouldn't be in school if it were not for such investments
in me by the federal government. As it stands, after I pay for the remaining
3/4 of my tuition with my own money I live at or below poverty standards.
Federal grants and loans help me a lot more than a few bucks that I would
get back at the end of the year after the Republicrats are finished with
the cuts.
Ron Wyden not only is against such cuts, he votes green. These are two
things that I didn't see in Mr. Smith and that is one of the reasons why
I voted as I did.
SA> That fear might very well reciprocate in the form of
SA> higher taxes.
At this time in my life I am not concerned with that as I don't make much
money as it is. As I stated, I live at or below poverty leve [the federal
standard that is] after I pay for 3/4 of my own tuition with my own money
and pay the rest with loans and grants. Tax cuts have little impact on
me. Besides, my needs are basic. I don't have many `toys' and I don't
really need them. I prefer music and books.
SA> Check Wyden's history with regard to increasing
SA> state spending. Then compare to what Smith sought to do (i.e.
SA> balance the budget).
Check the Republican record for increasing defense spending, getting kickbacks
from defense contractors, and giving out welfare to big business. After
you are finished with that, look at the PORK in Newt Gingrich's home state.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: navy
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:56:28
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David Worrell wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Mickey, I though you valued human life? Wouldn't that make you
RS> opposed to the killing our military [and other those from other
RS> countries as well] do?
DW> Maybe he feels that the enemy are not Real, True Humans.
That's right. They're false human scum.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Oppose the Religios Right
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:56:56
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Fredric Rice wrote in a message to All:
FR> Found this item in alt.society.labor-unions; thought it might be of
FR> interest here, so I'm posting it for everyone's information.
Why are you falling for this liberalist crap!? Can't you see that it doesn't
matter if we have Jesus H. Christ in office just as long as I have lower
taxes to buy more shit.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Christopher Baker
|Sub: Bush whacked?
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:58:21
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Christopher Baker wrote in a message to Styx Allum:
CB> nobody can get elected in this country by telling the truth or
CB> getting things done. that's the saddest part of the dumbing down of
CB> America. political parties are just like religions. it should be no
CB> surprise they use them as well.
Are you crazy!? Republicans always tell the truth [backed up by video clips
on the Rush Limbaugh show].
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 09 Feb 96 23:59:47
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
MH> Pretty much, except for the "somehow." But don't get the idea that
MH> being more valuable than animals means that animals are not
MH> valuable at all. They also are God's creation, and we are given
MH> the responsibility of caring for them.
Nature does not need us to care for it, Mickey. That is a delusion that
comes from your dogma.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: information
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:00:29
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
MH> I have already answered his challenge on this. I am NOT arguing
MH> for censorship of any sort. I'm arguing for simple courtesy and
MH> respect, which I no there's little hope of getting.
MH> I do not endorse censorship of any sort.
Good, then just skip over messages that you find offensive. As I have stated
before, it would be even more offensive to even think of limiting `offensive'
speech.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: netmail
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:04:33
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Robert Jackson wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RJ> Aww, shit. I took it to net since I thought it'd be a
RJ> novel idea to take non-topic discussion off the echo.
Can I reach you via netmail at the BBS you post from? I got lots of info
for you. It may actually be of some use.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 10 Feb 96 09:37:53
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Anthony Grigor-Scott wrote in a message to Preston Simpson:
PS> It's okay to kill kids but not okay to smoke weed? What kind of god
do
PS> you worship?
AG> The One Who to you is the Unknown God.
That figures. A fundy fool prays to a bunch of unknown clowns. You must
be proud.
--- IM2.29+/FE1.45a+/PB2.12+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Fundy Follies!
|Date: 10 Feb 96 09:38:20
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Scot Bear wrote in a message to Steve Rose:
> Yikes!! Babble-ink on the hemorrhoids! The horror......the
> horror....
SB> Oh, the HUMANITY! :)
SB>
SB> BTW, unless it's an old bible, there is no need to worry because
SB> soy ink won't hurt those o-so-tender places! :)
Yeah...but those soy-ink babble pages makes the WORST paper-airplanes.
Those pages sag under the weight as they are already too thin to begin with.
Best to just wad them up and use them as spit-balls. :)
--- IM2.29+/FE1.45a+/PB2.12+
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Goats Word
|Date: 10 Feb 96 09:42:04
EID:d369 204a4d40
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Kenneth Mcabee wrote in a message to Styx Allum:
SA> How do you suppose God brought deep sea anglerfish to Adam,
SA> that he give it a name? (it says "every living creature")
SA> [hint: Deep sea anglerfish burst upon rising to the ocean's surface]
KM> Hint: A God that could create everthing could keep the anglerfish
KM> from bursting.
Haha!! What ignorance. Hint: You are a fundy moron!
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Revised (by ME) HS list
|Date: 10 Feb 96 11:32:05
EID:5857 204a5c00
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Tim Pauly wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
TP> The physical evidence, as far as I am concerned, all around me. All
TP> I have to do is look at the creation in this world, (i.e all living
TP> things), and the way they are formed so beautifully and wondrously,
TP> and that's my evidence.
That is not evidence of any god, that simply suggests that there is a world
around us.
TP> Darwin's theory is laughable, at best. I
TP> find it pretty amusing that one would actually believe a theory
TP> that states that living things evolved from a micro-organism.
Your ignorance is showing. Modern microbiologists do not use `Darwin's
Theory'. It has changed thousands of times over in just the last half century.
You see, that's how science works. Theories change when new things are
learned. That's more than can be said about your stale old religion. Nothing
changes, even if evidence is presented to the contrary.
TP> So what evidence do you have that evolution, or whatever other
TP> theory you go by, is true?
I'll leave that up to Globreg, he should take care of that nicely.
While we're at it though, I'd like to see your theory for creationism.
Please present to us so that we may examine it.
TP> Physical evidence, no. Spiritual evidence, yes. I know because I
TP> know my God is real, and I know what He says to be true.
You don't know those things, you beLIEve those things.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: -------
|Date: 10 Feb 96 11:36:20
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Richard Morrison wrote in a message to J.J. Hitt:
RM> I think the closest thing to a ship here is Sams Town Casino. It's
RM> built on a boat frame in a fake wet dock on the Missouri River.
RM> I'm on shore duty...
I'm very happy that our tax dollars are being spent to protect the Missouri
coastline.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 10 Feb 96 11:38:23
EID:89d4 204a5cc0
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Styx Allum wrote in a message to Scot Bear:
> Are you closet-christian, too?
SA> Eat shit, Scot. I didn't take offense to your earlier bullshit,
SA> but that statement earns you my disrespect in an instant.
Kinda how you've been equating `liberals' with nonthinking christian fundamentalists,
eh?
SA> It was a stupid statement, even if made in sarcastic jest.
SA> I see no smiley face, nor do I sense one.
Just like yours statements.
It's funny how all of us have fallen victim to the liberalist media machine
which is controlled by the 12 Jewish Bankers who have direct ties with the
Telepathic Shadow Government why you are simply correct in thinking the
way you do. You only choose to see the liberalist media machine while you
refuse to see anything similar to that coming from the conservatives.
The problem is not with Republicrats and Democans, the problem resides in
politics, politics as usual. It's all the same bullshit, day in, day out.
That's one of the reasons I never registered as a Republicrat or Democan.
Neither of them fit my views. When a vote comes up I simply vote for the
best person in my mind, regardless of party membership.
It may surprise you Styx, but this `fundamentalist nonthinking liberal'
has voted for Republicans in the past [as well as Democrats] and probably
will continue to do so in the future.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 10 Feb 96 11:44:13
EID:67eb 204a5d80
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Jesse Jones wrote in a message to Sue Armstrong:
JJ> I suppose you left it in your other jacket -- along with
JJ> Joe McCarthy's list of communists working for the State
JJ> Department.
We love you Jesse.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: CIRCULAR REASONING
|Date: 09 Feb 96 08:50:00
EID:5b4b 20494640
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Preston Simpson <=-
MG> No way. I charge 22.5% interest on loans and have unpaid parking
MG> tickets.
Can I get a loan from you? Associates is charging 38%.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: AL
|Date: 10 Feb 96 04:32:00
EID:9ff9 204a2400
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Judith Bandsma <=-
HP> You don't pay attention, then, Judith. I'm sorry my Al doesn't have
HP> any unusual conditions aside from being the best little girl in the
HP> universe in all ways, and my best friend.
No, maybe I don't pay as much attention as I could. You just seem to be
one
who keeps his private life to himself. Outside of unusual conditions, we've
seen an awful lot about others' kids here...including Curry's (niece? darn,
don't even remember the relationship, but I DO remember him seeming
overawed and totally proud of her.)
You know I have grandkids, but I've promised myself I wouldn't get into
the
typical 'grandma' mode...EVER. Even though I feel about them the way you
do
Al. Cherish her now, Hector, they grow up so fast and are gone so soon.
There is nothing to compare to the feeling of watching your baby holding
one
of his/her own. And wishing they were small enough again to crawl up in
your
lap to be held.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: FLOOD
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:09:00
EID:ebda 204a2920
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> There were 500 witnesses to Christs ressurection, is that proof
AM> Its not everyday you see a dead man alive. That would qualify for a
DC> Then, why are you insisting that it is "proof". Besides, it's
DC> not proof that we want, it's evidence. Understand the difference.
Isn't it strange that not *one* of those 500 witnesses seems to have been
someone 'official' who would have at least mentioned it to someone in
authority? And not one of those witnesses wrote anything about it themselves,
or even had their name recorded as being a witness. Makes you wonder, don't
it?
... I find it hard to accuse someone of honesty.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: INFORMATION
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:16:00
EID:34c7 204a2a00
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Styx Allum <=-
HP> "You have the right to think for yourself. If you cannot or will not
HP> think, the court will appoint a religion for you."
I'm wondering if the present ban of discussion of abortion on the net
will also apply to the fundy position on the subject.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: NAMES
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:18:00
EID:d60d 204a2a40
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> I never see Christians doing this
HP> Of course. You're too busy damning them all to hell. :-)
I guess he hasn't seen Les Wilcox's feeble attempts to insult by changing
people's names or handles to what he THINKS are insulting equivalents.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: LEGEND
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:40:00
EID:a685 204a2d00
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Brian Kolacy <=-
MH> For a more reasonable example, if I wrote a story about Ronald
MH> Reagan's presidency, and invented a fictional vice-president and
MH> cabinet members, and claimed that Reagan championed big government
MH> social programs and zeroing out the defense budget, and tried to pass
MH> it off as fact, would it hold up under scrutiny in 1996?
I'll answer that one after I finish reading 'Visions and Nightmares: America
After Reagan'.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: POTABLES, POTENT AND POTE
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:47:00
EID:0875 204a2de0
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Judith Bandsma <=-
RJ> What is this potable of which you all speak? What's its
RJ> flavor?
Genever, a Dutch form of gin. Two main kinds...'oude' (old) and 'jonge'
(young). These appellations refer to the age of the formulae, not the age
of the booze. Oude is a brownish yellow and slightly oily looking, jonge
is
crystal clear. As to the taste, can't help you there. But the Dutch custom
is to sit down at about 5pm for a 'bolletje'...a small shot glass of
Genever and some cheese and sausage. You can find Genever here if you look
for it. Most of what is imported is in either cream- or brown-colored
crockery bottles.
The purplish-black, herbal Genever is called Beerenburg. As far as I know,
it is not imported into the states due to only small batches being made
every year and it selling out quite quickly. This is stuff that would kill
the toughest weeds at 30 paces. (Just from the smell)
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: UNCAUSED CAUSE?
|Date: 10 Feb 96 05:55:00
EID:ae61 204a2ee0
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Judith Bandsma <=-
RJ> Cap'n has been known to go by "Norbert the Geek" and
RJ> "Hollister Fikes" at various times, but 'tain't 'im. Ya also
RJ> gotta check the origin lines.
I was, but since we haven't seen anything from the Cap'n in a while (that
I know of), lots of things could have changed. It's just that the name is
so familiar. I know I've seen it before and hate it that I can't remember
where or in what context.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 10 Feb 96 06:00:00
EID:427c 204a3000
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Judith Bandsma <=-
RS> Thanks, but I won't be needing that as I landed a cush position at the
[...]
RS> With any luck I will be assigned to the religious studies department.
Sounds good. Glad you finally found something that will be fun as well as
lucrative.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: MORE ABOUT TEXAS AFA
|Date: 10 Feb 96 06:08:00
EID:bc54 204a3100
-=> Quoting Scot Bear to Don Martin <=-
SB> [Oh, yeah, "Satan" used to wear a red suit...] [snort]
Union, I hope.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 09 Feb 96 01:34:12
EID:b4e0 20490c40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61d99a79
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 891C439F
JH>> I couldn't figure out what I had done to deserve being
JH>> compared to you.
MH> I would take being compared to you to be a compliment. Of all
MH> the atheists here, you are one of only a few who can make points
MH> without resorting to insults. (Most of the time.) If there any
MH> atheists that a Christian can, in good conscience, look to as a
MH> role model in any sense, you are one of the few.
You want something from me... I can tell.
The only thing that might place me in a minority here in the echo is
I don't feel any animosity towards belief systems. I don't feel any
obligation to "respect" them either, but I feel it would be a waste
of emotional energy to work my self up to a point of an ALL CAPS
SCREAMING RAGE over them.
I also have a grasp upon a concept that has eluded you, Jesse Jones
and Jim Staal (among others): it's real easy to become a crashing
bore in this medium. If you have a legitimate beef with a user (lets
use Fred Rice as a somewhat less than hypothetical example), state
your case publicly and then MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. Harping on a
single issue month after month with thousands of messages simply
insures that your posts will be ignored by most.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Triangle, AFA Share Fame Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 01:53:34
EID:5800 20490ea0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61d9ad41
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 13093613
FR> }:-} I served THREE YEARS in the Dallas area [...]
What did you serve?
I've heard they have something that resembles barbeque
up there, but I have my doubts.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Countdown: SIX DAYS TO DOOM
|Date: 09 Feb 96 01:58:27
EID:27f6 20490f40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61d9b83f
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day TWENTY NINE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
Nothing has happened.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day SIXTEEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing has happened.
You have only FIVE days left in order to destroy me with your
"magick" (on or before February 14th) in order to fulfill the
conditions of Curse Number Three.
I don't feel a thing.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Homosexian Christual
|Date: 09 Feb 96 02:15:28
EID:0875 204911e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61d9e3d7
DR> How is killing 42 children a "worthy judgement" for teasing
DR> a crazed bald person? You appear to have a freaky sense of
DR> what is just.
Ah... but you could put it on the evening TeeVee News as an item
about a "Senior Citizen being terrorized by 42 Juvenile Gang
Members" and at least half the population (including a number of
folks here on the echo) would be on their feet cheering for the
bears.
All of this senseless bloodshed could have been avoided by having
a dress code.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 09 Feb 96 05:26:24
EID:909d 20492b40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61db9a36
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 311912f0
JH>> In what story or stories (within the Lovecraft canon, not
JH>> spinoffs by other authors) do the Elder Signs appear?
PS> The five-pointed star, though not mentioned by name,
PS> appears in "At the Mountains of Madness." I'm not sure where
PS> else, but I'll dig for the answers if you like.
If it's not too much trouble, please do.
I've a hunch it's not Lovecraft at all, but Robert Bloch or one of
the other 'minor prophets'.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Scientology
|Date: 09 Feb 96 05:41:50
EID:5428 20492d20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61dbc055
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e9d4c
jjh>> CUTS! CUTS! CUTS! ALWAYS WITH THE FUCKING CUTS!
jjh>> Do you know where I can get these documents in their
jjh>> complete and unsanitized form?
FR> Request F102-890.ZIP or magic name FILES from my system.
FR> There are over 800 files in my $cientology archives. You
FR> could GREP for "ANDRE" or "affidavit."
Call me a sucker for punishment, but I'll see what you have added.
The last batch of files (actually internet messages saved
individually as files) was rather disappointing. You'd sanitized
them pretty heavily.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Feb 96 05:49:54
EID:fd59 20492e20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61dbd27a
REPLY: 1:280/9 12153d1a
RB> How far would you go in trimming government support?
How about getting the Navy out of Missouri?
The problem with Republicans is they have NEVER seen a
military spending program they didn't like.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: COUNTDOWN: SEVEN DAYS TO DOOM
|Date: 09 Feb 96 11:52:22
EID:5be7 20495e80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61df1f95
NS> Gotta admit it, you're pretty spry for a cursed guy...maybe
NS> Assmotrin forgot to tell his boss you were supposed to be
NS> whammied?
Methinks he's unemployed.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Bartender!
|Date: 09 Feb 96 11:56:05
EID:16e1 20495f00
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61df2ac4
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 311ad74a
JH>> The Late J.J. Hitt
RJ> Ah, I see Asmodiddley finally gotcha. My condolences.
RJ>
No, not yet.
I'm just getting ready for the Big Event.
It may take me awhile to adjust to being dead, so I'm
doing warm ups.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Why
|Date: 09 Feb 96 12:02:48
EID:7a63 20496040
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61df44ae
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 8320266a
JH>> I suspect the "real reason" why candidates go through the
JH>> initiation bare chested is to make sure that no women
JH>> attempt to join by disguising their gender. At the same
JH>> time, there has been a small number of women who WERE
JH>> successful in doing just that.
KW> I think that you are right about that. If I remember rightly,
KW> at least one of those women received initiation because she had
KW> impersonated a man, and was not discovered until part way
KW> through the ritual. Another woman, if I remember correctly, was
KW> initiated after it was found that she had spied on the men.
There were a couple of 19th century cases in England where a woman
was initiated, passed and raised as a Master Mason without there
being any fuss made until years afterwards. Usually the woman was
a member of the aristocracy or otherwise a person of influence and
substance.
Just how the rituals were performed is left to the imagination, but
I suspect it was a case of "Tits?
Tits? What tits? I don't see no tits. Do you see any tits?"
JH>> Ah.... those always remind me of the outfit Groucho Marx
JH>> wore in Duck Soup.
KW> The hats were bad enough, but watching all the old men
KW> tripping over, walloping each other with, and sitting on
KW> their swords almost made sitting through an open ritual at
KW> the Commandrie worth it.
One of these days I'm going to have to make a point of witnessing
a Masonic funeral.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why
|Date: 09 Feb 96 19:49:41
EID:82c1 20499e20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e392d3
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 891E0E40
DC> Is that keeping the fundys out?
JH>> arguments, but I couldn't help feeling the real reason was
JH>> to sell them for dog food.
DC> OOC, how did they remove them? Over here, they are talking
DC> about an expensive airlift to move them to areas that they
DC> are indigenous.
I'll be damned if I can remember all of the details, but they
were rounded up by a contractor and healthy animals were either
auctioned or lotteried off for adoptions. "Sick" animals became
dog food.
However, I suspect a lot of healthy animals were probably labeled
as being unsuited for adoption. I just cant see some 15 year old
jack who has lived in the wild all his life settling down for a
retirement in a petting zoo. Such animals probably ended up as
Alpo as well.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:02:58
EID:744e 2049a040
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e3a11f
REPLY: 1:207/212 992b0ffa
JH>> Are you sure you don't mean 'cuunt' and 'dooche'?
KD> I'll confirm that douche is shower in German, as well.
Ah... buut Geerman dooesn't haave the Duutch faacination foor
duuble voowels.
(And that I suspect is the real difference between the two
languages. Dutch is just like German except it has twice
as many vowels.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:08:36
EID:1d8b 2049a100
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e3b4c1
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31199121
MH> BTW: A car is bigger than a horse, and can assuredly push
MH> people back just as effectively. So can a variety of other
MH> things, both mechanical and otherwise.
Not really. A car needs a HELL OF A LOT MORE room to turn around in
than a horse does. Cars cant move sideways. They don't jump very
well either.
If crowd control is what you are after, then you need to put your
cops on shuggoths. (You'll need a lot of cops, because they will
tend to end up IN the shuggoths and not on them.)
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 09 Feb 96 09:29:28
EID:304e 20494ba0
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311b9658
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 057a46e8
Marilyn Burge said "Staal shows his colon" to Don Martin, and added:
DM> I dunno. I happen to be an English major, and in the
DM> interests of improving the breed I must urge that this guy's
DM> vanishing over the edge would not be the worst thing that
DM> could happen to the field. Judging by the sad muddle of his
DM> posts, it would not appear to be all that bad for him,
DM> either.
MB> I think you're looking at this all bass ackwards. Speaking as a
MB> person who has rubbed shoulders with economists for the past 15
MB> years, might I suggest that a better perspective would be for you
MB> to want him around. The lousier the competition appears to be, the
MB> better you look.
When I can only look good in comparison with the likes
of Staal, I shall hang myself gladly.
How are you surviving the water? On high ground, one
hopes? The people we see being evacuated on the TV news DO
seem to be the types who can afford waterfront--in this
country misfortunes become tragedies when they happen to
somebody pulling down more than $75 K.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:13:12
EID:eefd 204969a0
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311b9659
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 3119712c
Preston Simpson said "AN INTERESTING SITUATION." to Sue
Armstrong, and added:
PS> True. I'm running Windows 95 without significant
PS> problems-
He who has Windows does not need any more problems.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)
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|From: Don Martin
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Offensive ASCIIs
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:17:10
EID:760d 20496a20
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311b965a
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61c8461e
J.J. Hitt said "Offensive ASCIIs" to Damien Wellman, and added:
RS>> I have one of those on the back of my Subaru. I usually
RS>> get more people laughing behind me and pointing rather than
RS>> enraged fundies with shotguns. I don't really think the
RS>> fundies are capable of getting it.
DW> True, most fundies are too dumb to get it, seemingly. It's
DW> really more of a joke than a offensive thing, anyway...
DW> now, that Jesus w/ penis, THAT'S good and bloody offensive,
DW> just the way I like it.
JH> Do you think there is a market for Our Lord's Pecker Car Badges?
JH> Maybe if we rigged them so that they connected to the brake lights.
JH> Step on the brakes and he gets an errection.
I saw a nifty switch plate last month: it was a picture
of the Pope with the switch toggle sticking out the front of
his robes. Perhaps the same thing could be done with the
crucifixion: The normal ASCII we see here from time to time
would be "off".
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)
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|From: Don Martin
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: Hey, i'm new
|Date: 09 Feb 96 13:24:34
EID:ec4f 20496b00
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311b965b
REPLY: 1:147/48 2e5e477d
As Diogenes walked away in disgust, LES WILCOX said "Hey,
i'm new" to NORBERT SYKES, adding:
NS> Rather than trying to make others jump through hoops, poothead (G),
why
NS> don't _you_ capture the opening screen and show it to us? BTW, who
mad
NS> _you_ (poothead) the moderator around here?
LW> I have a better idea. If you're so worried about it why don't you
LW> send me the 50 bucks and I'll register the thang.
Another splendid demonstration of your integrity. And we
keep getting accused of making up this sort of shit about
Christians to make them look bad.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:18:04
EID:ed45 20497a40
PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 311b9ddb
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 311ad767
Robert Jackson said "More about Texas AFA" to Don Martin,
adding:
DM> Three ounces of meat in a larger bun? Can George Pope watch?
RJ> Yeah, he did mention something about "experimenting" when
RJ> he was younger, right? Ever suppose it was just that he
RJ> had a habit of polishing off a bottle of tequila and winding
RJ> up in a strange bed next to a guy, with no clothes and no
RJ> memory? I can imagine the conversation now...
RJ> "Uh," bleary-eyed, to the guy, "I have no idea what I'm
RJ> doing here, or why, but I have to ask you--did I perform a
RJ> homosexual act?"
RJ> "No, Liberace performs a homosexual act. What you did is
RJ> sucked my cock."
It IS too bad that ol' George can't play the piano.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don@balt-rehab.med.va.gov)
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 09 Feb 96 17:45:32
EID:a8e5 20498da0
Whilst masticating on , Kenneth Mcabee (1:271/460)
wrote to Karen Davis:
KM> Sure we are, and they happen all the time. Why the difference in
KM> his behavior, he no longer has to deal with us directly, we have
KM> Christ now, which they did not have in the old testiment. Not in
KM> the same that we have him now. He died for our sins, and we go to
KM> heaven through his death, not through our own works.
Do you really believe this mythological fairy tale?
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Adolph Hitler (yawn)
|Date: 09 Feb 96 18:05:15
EID:6282 204990a0
Whilst masticating on , Michael Hardy (1:3625/470)
wrote to David Rice:
MH> 3. Why would a Christian want the Bible replaced with his own book?
Ask the men who wrote Testament II, and replaced the Bible with it.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 09 Feb 96 18:15:26
EID:4147 204991e0
Whilst masticating on , Martin Goldberg (1:124/9005.221)
wrote to Alan Hess:
AH>> Don't give the putz even a hint of credibility by suggesting such an
AH>> absurdly low number. Intelligent people realize that 6,000,000 Jews
is an
AH>> estimate - the exact number is a bit lower, or a bit higher.
MG> I don't get too bent out of shape over historical revisionsim. It's
the
MG> fact that anyone would wnt to try and exxonerate the Nazis by claiming
even
MG> 6 logs less murdered that gets me. This clown is obviously a fruitcake.
What do you expect? He's a hyperfundy!
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 06 Feb 96 19:48:00
EID:0036 20469e00
MSGID: 1:280/9 1510b33a
TID: GE 1.11+
AS> Please don't judge sermons and ministers by the televangelists, anymore
AS> than you can judge all lawyers by those who reach prominance as
AS> politicians.
I'm sure there are well-meaning ministers. Hell, there's
probably well-meaning used car salesmen.
AS> It's even made it into the FAQ how boring my litany of "C.S. Lewis,
AS> G.K. Chesterton, Dorothy L. Sayers, et al" is. But people who expound
that
AS> sort of view, thinking theists, are what is needed to be stressed,
both to
AS> Christians and non-Christians alike.
I admit that when I learn a person is a theist, they immediately
lose credibility. For that reason, Lewis, Chesterson, et al
would not be my first choice for a philosophical study. They
may be intellectual GIANTS but that one 'flaw' is like a stain
that won't come out.
You may feel the same about atheists (which is your right).
___
þ NFX v1.3 [000] Anarchy: Such a good idea, it should be the law
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: GAY LOVE
|Date: 06 Feb 96 20:07:00
EID:57ea 2046a0e0
MSGID: 1:280/9 1510b33b
TID: GE 1.11+
AS> Now contrast Jesus. He would not let Peter fight against those taking
AS> Him. He didn't take the disciples down with Him, as opposed to all
three o
AS> meglomaniacs mentioned above. He answers clearly, cleanly, concisely
his
AS> critics. There is no hint of the attendant rages and abuses (as opposed
AS> to justifiable anger, like Him getting the moneychangers out of the
AS> temple) that the other three did. He has none of the symptoms of the
AS> meglomaniac. Yet He is making statements only a meglomaniac---or someone
AS> who really WAS God---could make.
AS> No, I don't expect it to convince you. But I do mention it as an
AS> interesting inconsistency in your views, and one that is explained
in
AS> mine.
Assuming the story is somewhat accurate, does the behavior
of Jesus rule out delusion? If your megalomania is that of
a loving and sacrificing god, you're compelled to play the
part. (See: Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire)
AS> It's like slavery. It's a matter of definition...is a fetus a human
being?
AS> Is a slave a human being? Even Plato talked of naturally servile natures.
AS> Or people being "natural" slaves. And like slavery, the idea one way
or
AS> the other always ignites psssions.
Slaves should be eternally offended by the constant comparisons
with fetuses. I don't see how even the sternest of slavemasters
could confuse the obvious if he was presented with a 20 year old,
healthy slave and 1 inch fetus, then asked "Which one has more
value? Which one is more human?"
AS> Well...yeah. That's what they did believe, after all. My wife once
had a
AS> very early miscarriage, and what she passed could be put into a pill
AS> container. But when I looked into it, it didn't look like a fetus.
AS> It looked like a baby forming. The two phrases mean the same thing,
but
AS> have a world of different connotations. But I can't talk. I paid for
the
AS> abortion of a female relative when I was younger.
I absolve you of all 'sin'. The fundy crowd would have you
and her think you were murderers. You did nothing wrong.
And if the circumstances for raising a child were poor,
you probably did a lot of good.
AS> Certainly tribal. I'm not sure the racial arrogance...remember, even
Jesus
AS> talked of Gentiles as "dogs". So the Caucasian gentiles were looked
down
AS> by the Jews of His day.
Jesus called the Gentiles "dogs"?
AS> RB> Jesus could walk on water, make the blind see and rise from
AS> RB> the dead. But he had to rely on HUMANS to spread the word?
AS>
AS> To keep it spread, certainly, unless He wants to baby-sit us forever,
AS> appear again to each generation, etc.
He could have been the central figure in ALL tribal religions.
They all could have had a history that included a (1) son of
God that (2) took human sin upon himself and (3) died, that
they could have eternal life. If that scenario is so important,
it should have been part of ALL tribal histories. The favoritism
and limitations to ONE tribe is contrary to the concept of an
all encompassing god.
Instead, we have as many myths as we do cultures. That indicates
that God is curiously limited in his approach or the development
of religion is a common human function.
AS> RB> Many Christians act as if ONE lifetime without knowing Jesus
AS> RB> is a travesty (even one YEAR). But God was content to let
AS> RB> 1500 years pass before the Americas heard his story?
AS>
AS> Evidently yes; so one can only conclude that He cannot hold them
AS> responsible for what they cannot help.
God couldn't foresee that different races and cultures would
be reluctant to accept one particular middle eastern religion?
Why couldn't his 'message' be conveyed in a way that was
geographically and racially neutral? A 'chosen people' is not
the surest way to reach ALL the world.
AS> But according to Freud each of us are a trinity; id, ego, and superego.
I
AS> see the different parts of the Trinity in much the same way.
You don't think the trinity might be a construct of HUMAN
minds? Wasn't there a lot of arguing many centuries ago
as to just where Jesus fit in the picture?
AS> Hey, I have some Welsh blood, and trust me, sperm. Humping the BACK
is not
AS> something we are famous for...
Can you sing "Delilah" like Tom Jones?
AS> The disciples lived with
AS> Jesus, travelled with Him on the road, for between one to three years.
He
AS> entrusted his mother to John. James, according to Paul, also saw JEsus,
AS> and JAmes was Jesus' brother and later head of the church of Jerusalem.
AS> Again, a brother would not be fooled by a passing resemblence.
Here's my latest addition to the 'practical answers for a
resurrected Jesus' file: Jesus had a TWIN! That's right,
either by deception or coincidence, Jesus' twin shows up
in town on the third day. The bible mentions how Jesus
wasn't recognized at first. That's because the twin wasn't
an exact match, but very close. And when disciples are
grasping for saviors, 'close' will do. Whaddya think?
AS> Or maybe...where dieties are perceived. There may be a difference.
And THAT is our fundamental difference. You believe we
'perceive' the reality of God while I think we 'generate'
that 'reality'.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 06 Feb 96 23:31:00
EID:0bbd 2046bbe0
MSGID: 1:280/9 1510b33c
TID: GE 1.11+
KD> RB>DW> RB> Or even worse, he could be charged with litterin' and end
KD> RB>DW> RB> up on the Group W bench.
KD>
KD> RB>DW> With 27 8x10 color glossy photographs.
KD>
KD> RB>DW> He could even be forced to pick up the gar-bage in the snow.
KD> RB>
KD> RB>You're not THAT old, Worrell. How do you know all of this
KD> RB>stuff? Are you a 40 year old in a 28 year old body?
KD>
KD> All right. What the *fuck* are you talking about?
I think Dave already told you but...Alice's Restaurant by
Arlo Guthrie. A little anti-war ditty from the Vietnam era.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 06 Feb 96 23:35:00
EID:737c 2046bc60
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KD> RB>'Worship' seems to imply a deity (unless it's the kind of
KD> RB>worship I have for Shannon Tweed - a B-movie actress and
KD> RB>former Playboy model who is indeed, a goddess).
KD>
KD> Don't forget her sister!
The redhead? Legs up to 'there'? You must have that issue too.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 06 Feb 96 23:38:00
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PS> RB> Descriptions of HolySmoke:
PS>
PS> RB> Jim Staal: dark and friendless place
PS> RB> Jesse Jones: hell hole
PS>
PS> RB> Others?
PS>
PS> How about "One hell of an interesting ride"?
Or: Mythmasher, Darwin's dungeon, Fundi-rama, Jerks for Jesus...
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 07 Feb 96 23:12:00
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TID: GE 1.11+
AM> We can create any fantasy we want about universe's that don't exist.
We can create any fantasy we want about gods that don't exist.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 07 Feb 96 23:17:00
EID:92a3 2047ba20
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TID: GE 1.11+
AM> Thats the point Preston. You don't care how mind boggling infintisimal
th
AM> "odds" are against atoms self assembling, then self assembling into
a
AM> universe, then ultimately self assembling into humans.
What's so special about humans? We just happened to evolve
with the triple whammy ingredients- bi-pedalism, an opposable
thumb and a big brain. If that nasty asteroid (or whatever it
was) of 65 million years ago hadn't shown up, it could have
happened to a dinosaur. Then THEY'D be worshipping the Great
T-Rex in the sky.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 07 Feb 96 23:32:00
EID:af2c 2047bc00
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AM> I think your percentages are high. But as for sickness and death,
man
AM> brought that curse on himself.
God's not one to hold a grudge, is he?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: position
|Date: 07 Feb 96 23:37:00
EID:dd39 2047bca0
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DC> If you happen to have a fetus in _your womb_, you are most
DC> welcome to make your comments. ITMT, until you grow a womb
DC> of your own, do leave those that have one to make their own
DC> decisions as to what they are going to do with them.
Maybe women should decide whether or not men can have
vasectomies. After all, that turns off the faucet on all
those little life-making sperm.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 08 Feb 96 19:00:00
EID:849c 20489800
MSGID: 1:280/9 1510b343
TID: GE 1.11+
JB> I just had the be-all and end-all request today for ceramic items. A
JB> person called and wanted to know if I had any items in a S&M theme.
He
JB> was totally serious. Wanted something he could order about 100 of. Jeez.
So, are you gonna whip out a few for him?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: EVIDENCE
|Date: 09 Feb 96 20:13:00
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TID: GE 1.11+
MH> The universe was created to glorify God. Not (mostly) for our benefit.
MH> What egotism leads you to assume that the existence of God means that
MH> everything in the universe would be for our direct benefit?
MY egotism? MY egotism?!?! _I_ think we evolved from a
drooling, hairy primate. YOU think we were created in
the image of the creator of the universe. And you have
the GALL to speak of MY egotism?
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: Archaism...
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:03:01
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Scot Bear mumbled "Re: Archaism..."
> JS> is evil...
> Hogwash and you and I both know it. Are Kalahari bushmen
> naturally evil?
SB> No. But they are *incredibly* unattractive! :)
I bow to your aesthetic judgment while saying nothing myself.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Richard Morrison
|Sub: bang
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:03:01
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TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Richard Morrison mumbled "bang"
PS>The body temperature of the human testes must be lower than the res
PS>the body's temperature, or else the sperm contained therein will di
PS>Male genitalia are entirely too easy to damage.
NOW THAT'S EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAH HEHEHEHEHEH
RM> Maybe that's why they hang down.... nah...
...and are thus exposed to damage. It's all too easy to injure a man in
such a way that, reproductively speaking, he dies.
PS>As for female reproductive organs, I invite you to cast a gander at
PS>system which is so poorly designed that one-third to one-half of al
PS>pregnancies terminate in spontaneous abortion (that's miscarriage t
PS>us laymen).
RM> Well why don't you redesign it and make it better Preston?
That's what this comes down to, isn't it? But I'm not claiming that I'm
omnipotent. All I'm doing is showing you how increasingly improbable it
is for there to have been any kind of just or competent designer for the
universe.
PS>Why is God so horribly threatened by kids
PS>that he saw fit to slay so many of them?
RM> First off you'll have to ask God.. Secondly, your question certainly
RM> is hinged with your own opinion... definitely not an honest question
RM> but one to only make an implication.
The book says that he killed them. Are we to believe that they were all
horrible sinners who deserved death at the hands of a vengeful god?
... Aibohphobia (n.); the fear of palindromes.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Revised (by ME) HS list
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:03:02
EID:bc1d 204a8860
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 311d1617
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Tim Pauly mumbled "Revised (by ME) HS list"
TP> The physical evidence, as far as I am concerned, all around me. All
I
TP> have to do is look at the creation in this world, (i.e all living
TP> things), and the way they are formed so beautifully and wondrously,
I disagree. All things are *not* formed beautifully and wondrously.
Ever see what pneumonic plague bacilli do to people? Or the Ebola virus?
TP> Funny that some believe that planets evolved from balls of gas. If
TP> this were true, my 4 year old would be making a new *series* of
TP> planets after every trip to McDonalds... :)
It is even funnier that some people believe that every cause ultimately
had to have a first, uncaused cause. That kind of thinking smacks of a
presumptous attitude about the universe that is simply laughable.
> Hmmmm...do you dash out the brains of children and rape the
> women if your god commands you to?
TP> My God would never command me to do so. What makes you think He would?
The fact that he's commanded his chosen people to do so in the past,
according to your Bible.
> Do you have evidence for this hell? Or heaven? Why is it
TP> Physical evidence, no. Spiritual evidence, yes. I know because I know
TP> my God is real, and I know what He says to be true.
How do you know these things?
TP> Simple. God gave the way, through His Son. It's pretty easy, but most
TP> choose not to do so because they think they're above doing what it
TP> takes.
It's too bad about the first century Peruvians and Chinese, then, isn't
it?
... "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" - Ockham
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: All
|Sub: Home page (you care, I know you do).
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:03:02
EID:cf94 204a8860
MSGID: 1:123/318.0 311d1618
PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
TID: FastEcho 1.45 7703
For anyone with access to the Internet, I now have a home page. It isn't
much to look at, but if you're interested, it's at www.cbu.edu/~psimpson,
so have a blast.
... AD&D Quote: "What do you mean I hit with negative damage?"
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Larry Sites
|Date: 10 Feb 96 21:58:46
EID:0369 204aaf40
MSGID: 1:152/67.0 11d5c0c0
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61e3a11f
TID: GE 1.11+
CHRS: ibmpc 2
J.J. Hitt wrote in a message to Karen Davis:
JH>> Are you sure you don't mean 'cuunt' and 'dooche'?
KD> I'll confirm that douche is shower in German, as well.
JJH> Ah... buut Geerman dooesn't haave the Duutch faacination foor
JJH> duuble voowels.
Actually it can be said in various ways:
der Shauer [as in rain]
or better yet die Dusche [as in taking a shower]
I'm sure there's more. Despite the German addiction for rigidity [excluding
Kafka of course] while I was over there I heard various other words for
the same thing -- one of them being `Shampooniering.'
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: Recruiting for the CIA
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:27:10
EID:1c8d 204a0360
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e60e18
REPLY: 1:222/10@Fidonet 1126e961
RM> Then they have interesting qualifications for field ops. A PhD
RM> in Operations Research or Mathematics, (undergrad degree in
RM> Engineering a plus), and a working knowlege of Fortran - must
RM> come in real handy when you're under cover in Afganistan.
You never know when someone is going to attack you with an
unsigned integer cleverly disguised as a barstool.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Detroit
|Date: 10 Feb 96 00:40:34
EID:086c 204a0500
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e63a64
REPLY: 1:154/69.0 3115f9e7
SB> That hour was enough to make me swear off Detroit forever.
Not totally unlike my experience with Los Angeles. I was there only
long enough to get the hell out of it. (I came, I saw, I split.)
Your Detroit experience reminds me of a cartoon I saw once in
Hustler. It consists of nothing more than a highway sign against
an urban background. The sign reads:
Welcome to Detroit
Pussy
Drugs
Ammo
Next Three Exits
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Goat Sucker story on Primer Impacto
|Date: 10 Feb 96 01:04:14
EID:6ac5 204a0880
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e65ef2
* Original To : ALL, 1:30873/2
* Original From: pat ballenger, 1:330/201
* Original Area: I_UFO
* Original Date: Feb 07 09:25
* Forwarded on by J.J. Hitt of 1:106/9788.2
From: ur-valhalla!eng.appl.ge.com!peballen (pat ballenger)
Subject: Goat Sucker story on Primer Impacto
Message-ID: <9602071425.AA27363@uws002>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 09:25:49 EST
-> SearchNet's i_ufo-l Mailing List
Last night while I was flipping channels I caught some pictures of dead
animals on Univision, the Spanish-speaking cable channel (Primer
Impacto, the Current Affair rip-off, was the show).
I backed up and watched for a second, and it turned out to be a story
about chupacabras, the "Goat Sucker".
Did anyone who speaks Spanish catch this story?
I saw police/soldiers searching through the countryside at night. It
seemed there was some concern in the Puerto Rican community, and some
real effort to get to the bottom of it. A few witnesses gave thier
story, too.
Pat B.
-> Send "subscribe i_ufo-l " to majordomo@world.std.com
-> Posted by: peballen@ENG.APPL.GE.COM (pat ballenger)
---SnetMgr 0.60 [r0001]
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: RE: NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:36:46
EID:3694 204a1480
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e73e8f
AS> Then you missed my 80-post DEFINITIVE PROOF OF GOD?????
Why did it take 80 posts? I posted the complete source code
needed to compile your own GOD and it only took 12 posts.
I'd post it again for your benefit, but I'm busy making funeral
arangements. No one in this town wants to rent me a shroud.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: More dan a. post
|Date: 10 Feb 96 03:08:12
EID:98b6 204a1900
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e7827c
REPLY: 1:157/200 46120576
KDM> Oh yeah? Well, don't tell anyone, but . . .
KDM> I'm one of the Twelve Jewish Bankers.
Great! Can I call you about a loan I'd like to take out?
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Countdown: FOUR DAYS
|Date: 10 Feb 96 03:28:04
EID:71e7 204a1b80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e7b4be
On Jan 12 00:47 96, Asmodeus of 1:2330/20 wrote:
A> For speaking (writing) such stereotypical bullcrap I curse you,
A> and for your lies about not doing so (if you were a man you would
A> admit your actions) I damn you.
A> See you in Hell!
Today is Day THIRTY ONE of Failed Satanic Curse Number ONE.
Nothing has happened.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only fucking
A> with your mind. I swear, how do fools like you manage to stay
A> alive. Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will
A> give you one if you get up to day 13.
It is also Day EIGHTEEN of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
Nothing has happened.
You have only FOUR days left in order to destroy me with your
"magick" (on or before February 14th) in order to fulfill the
conditions of Curse Number Three.
I don't feel a thing.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 10 Feb 96 03:38:46
EID:2360 204a1cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e7ef41
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 177fc1a7
JH>> It's like a two week long country and western version of
JH>> Halloween.
KW> I'll trade your rodeo for our May 5th.
We have it here too. And Fiesta de Patrias (sp?) in September.
And just about every day named after a Catholic saint other
than Patrick.
KW> I can not stand mariachi bands .
I go grocery shopping in a store that has mariachis wandering
around the aisles on weekends. It's real easy to forget what it
is you are looking for on the shelf when some idiot a few feet
away is blowing his guts out on a trumpet.
In a perverse way, I sort of like it. They don't have supermarkets
like this up north.
KW> On the other hand, I hate country music.
Only thing I hate more is Rap and the other varients that pass for
"black" music nowadays. There is a great African American musical
heritage that ranges from Jazz to Gospel to R&B to MoTown/Soul. Why
so many have turned their backs on that to listen to cRap totally
escapes me.
Since the popular music industry always turns in the direction I
dread the most, I know it's only a matter of time before someone
records a Rap version of "Yer Cheatin' Heart".
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: UFO's abducting people?
|Date: 10 Feb 96 04:16:28
EID:49b7 204a2200
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e821ef
* Forwarded on by J.J. Hitt of 1:106/9788.2
* Originally By: Walter Bartoo
* Originally To: Biggest U.F.U. STORY
* Originally Dated: Friday February 02 1996 13:09
______________________________________________________________________
Hi ALL: Well it appears things are escalating. The Games changed thou. I'm
honestly sitting wondering about alot of things.
On the Weeekly World News, channel 14 here in Boone, on saturday January
20th, a News story broke about a town in the Mountains of IDAHO in a very
rural section. Population between 1,200 to 1,500, was video taped by acouple
going there to visit their grandmother. Early in the morning approaching
the
town (Yet Un-named) they saw a huge pulsating Light over the town they thought
was a U.F.O., upon arriving every single person in the town was gone. Pets
leases lay without the animal complete with collar intact attached. Laudromats
were still drying clothes. It appeared everyone left in mere minutes. The
Town
was completely devoid of life. The couple went on to state the Military
quickly came in and closed the town off and sealed the area answering NO
questions.
ANYONE HAVING ANY INFORMATION ON THIS PLEASE FORWARD IT TO ME!!!
I remember back thirty years ago hearing search and destroy missions were
tharfted in vietnam. Radar picked up a boogy, or foe fighter over the towns
area. When our troops went in everything was gone. Animals, people everything.
Then there was the small indian town in Canada on the Artic Circle where
this
also occured. In it the place was completely emptied of life also, and even
the cemetary was dug up.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
( What Does This Mean? )
It means people, things are going on that could cause panic, but should
not
be with held from the public. Stuff like this explains alot we are trying
to
figure out we are sifting through in the on going information and investigation.
In order to take that many people it would require a very BIG ship. Towns
that size have jails etc. To take everyone means these beings were out for
BODIES only. To me this represents a HARVEST. If this is occuring as the
data seems to validate we should be TOLD. If our government cannot stop
it, it's time to devulge what they know. To me their behavier is completely
irresponsible, and their secrey further puts them in as bad a light as those
beings doing this. People have a right to KNOW.
Send this around WE NEED MORE FACTS.
regards Walter
-+- FMail 0.92
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... "It's not the years, it's the mileage." - Indiana Jones
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: UFO's abducting people?
|Date: 10 Feb 96 04:20:40
EID:5a04 204a2280
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 61e8301a
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 61e821ef
JH> ! Originally By: Walter Bartoo
JH> On the Weeekly World News, channel 14 here in Boone, on
JH> saturday January 20th, a News story broke about a town in
JH> the Mountains of IDAHO in a very rural section. [...]
JH> ANYONE HAVING ANY INFORMATION ON THIS PLEASE FORWARD IT TO
JH> ME!!!
As if we needed further evidence. The above demonstrates that
Walter can't distinguish between the WWN and a genuine news report.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Kelsey Bjarnason
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 09 Feb 96 06:52:14
EID:1a2f 20493680
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 8d70a768
REPLY: 1:153/792 3119734d
On (08 Feb 96) Kelsey Bjarnason wrote to Al Schroeder...
KB> The EMP would have to be sufficient to wipe out significant parts
KB> of the world's computing power - which makes one wonder whether or
KB> not there would be anyone left to worry about it anyways.
Not necessarily. They would just have to be directed toward
certain major data sources, such as the NYSE, major banks, and
the like.
KB> Further, your scenario presumes that harcdopy has gone the way of
KB> the dinosaur. Since many of us still prefer to read from paper
KB> rather than from screens, this seems unlikely at least in the
KB> near future.
Printing out data bases is hardly the way to go. What you say might
be fine for electronic copies of books and the like, but for
economic data. . . .
KB> As to the virus, the idea is, well, silly. The major repositories
KB> of human knowledge would have to all be running not only the same
KB> operating system, but on the same platform. Not terribly likely.
All you have to do is corrupt enough data bases so that nobody
knows whether theirs is trustworthy or not. Corrupting them all
is hardly necessary. If my data base doesn't agree with your
data base, we know at least one of them is wrong, but the truth
is, they might both be wrong.
... Convert or Kill: It's not just a good idea, it's God's law!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: The Light
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:25:00
EID:f257 204a8b20
MSGID: 1:272/99 0013e38b
(On 02-06-96 Brad Jackson replied to Brian Kolacy)
BJ> BJ>the other hand it gives me a chance to help out a fellow man with
BJ> the scriptures. BK> Ok, how about Exodus 33:23?
BJ>Hi Brian.
BJ> I am a little confused by the question, (ok, how about Exodus
BJ>33:23?) . What is it you would like to know about this verse? Does
BJ>this verse upset you some how?
BJ>Exodus 33:23
BJ>And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts:
BJ>but my face shall not be seen.
Does your god go around mooning people for fun? Sounds pretty "moral"
to me...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Instead of being born again, why don't you just grow up?
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:25:00
EID:b860 204a8b20
MSGID: 1:272/99 0013e397
(On 02-06-96 Brad Jackson replied to Brian Kolacy)
B J> -=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Brad Jackson <=-
BJ> BK> (On 02-01-96 Brad Jackson replied to All )
BJ> B J> Greetings!
BJ> BJ> I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
BJ> BJ> There is only One God, Not three!
BJ> BK> Actually, there are considerably more gods than three. Odin is
BJ> BK> going to be really pissed when he hears about this. I'd stay
BJ> BK> indoors during the next thunderstorm, if I were you.
BJ>Hi Brian.
BJ> Is this some sort of threat, Brain?
Nope. I just wanted to point out that there are quite a few more gods
than the ones you worship.
(VBG) I have not fear of
BJ>walking outside during anything! I know where I am going when I
BJ>die,
Your going to the same place I am.
do you?
Yep.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Christianity is a disease"
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Return of the List 1/2
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:25:00
EID:3263 204a8b20
MSGID: 1:272/99 0013e3a4
(On 02-05-96 Judith Bandsma replied to Brian Kolacy)
J B>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Sue Armstrong <=-
JB>
JB> BK> What a piss poor list! I have not lived in New Jersey for six
JB> BK> months, and I have been an unabashed lower case atheist for
JB> BK> quite some time!
JB>How much have you been posting in the last 6 months? And where was
JB>your obligatory moan, bitch, whine, complain post about the move? We
JB>never got it.
Heheh...I *thought* I posted it, but, then again, I was moving at the
time. Things were slightly confused then...:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Bad news mom, I sold my soul to the devil." - Calvin
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Return of the List 1/2
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
EID:eff6 204a8b40
MSGID: 1:272/99 0013e3af
(On 02-05-96 Sue Armstrong replied to Brian Kolacy)
S A>And Brave Sir Brian ran away, screaming "Return of the List 1/2"!
SA> SA>Brian Kolacy New Jersey
SA> BK> What a piss poor list! I have not lived in New Jersey for six
SA> BK> months, and I have been an unabashed lower case atheist for
SA> BK> quite some time!
SA> BK> I live in New York, BTW:)
SA>Whups. Made the list before I got myself a complete nodelist, so
SA>I was sort of going by area codes on origin lines. The lack of an
SA>alignment was due to uncertainty about a proper pegging. Or maybe
SA>just an oversight. :) It's now corrected, though.
Don't get to upset over it. I just like to nitpick:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Tagline Lotto: ²²²²²²²²²²<- Scratch here to reveal prize.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: jerks
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
EID:0fd9 204a8b40
MSGID: 1:272/99 0013e3bc
(On 02-07-96 Lynda Bustilloz replied to Brian Kolacy)
L B>Michael and Brian were killing time yakking about jerks:
LB> BK> Now...do you love me?
LB>(strains of Fiddler on the Roof rising in the background)
LB>Tevye: Do you love me?
LB>Golde: Do I WHAT?!
LB>Tevye: Do you love me?
LB>Golde: Do I love you? With our daughters getting married and this
LB> trouble in the town, You're upset, you're worn out, Go inside,
LB> go lie down! Maybe it's indigestion....
LB>Ah, well, I guess I'm losing it. (G)
Yes, that's certainly true. But, I haven't seen too much of fiddler on
the roof, so I'll consider it as cultural enlightenment:).
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... I doubt very much that I'm a skeptic.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
EID:5302 204a8b40
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(On 02-05-96 Andrew Masten replied to Preston Simpson)
AM> PS> meaningless. We have no way of contacting these people or
AM> PS> determining exactly *what* it is they all saw.
AM> The apostles and the others who seen Christ alive testified to it
AM> right in Jerusalem where it happened.
So? Lot's of people have seen Elvis...
AM> All they would have to do
AM> is produce a body, and that would be the end of it. Were it all a
AM> hoax, would they carry on in the face of torture and death? What
AM> did they gain?
Fame? Fortune? Increase in tourism? Free beers at bars? Why does
*anyone* perpetrate a hoax.
AM> PS> In a court of law, this contention would be dismissed on the
AM> PS> ground that there is an overwhelming lack of evidence to support
AM> PS> it.
AM> If Christ died in disgrace on the cross, he would be just another
AM> un- heard of prophet. His name wouldn't even be used in vain.
I diagree. Christ just had good PR. In fact, he could have been a
totally fictitious historical character. Like King Arthur, for
instance...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... You mean they eat their god?? Ewww, gross...
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: hi
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
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(On 02-05-96 Andrew Masten replied to Preston Simpson)
A M>-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "hi"
AM>
AM> PS> He also forbids the wearing of mixed-fiber clothing and males
AM> PS> shaving their faces. Do you do either one?
AM>
AM> AM> No. I'm under the new covenent, not the old. The N.T. also
AM> AM> forbids witch craft ect. ect.
Wait a minute...Did Christ say "Ok, forget all the old stuff, this is
what your supposed to do now", or was he just appending what your god
said? If your under a "new covenent" [sic], why does your Bible contain
the Old Testament?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere!
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
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(On 02-05-96 Andrew Masten replied to Preston Simpson)
A M>-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andrew Masten mumbled "Viability"
AM>
AM> KD> What price?
AM>
AM> AM> The price of God in the form of Jesus Christ being crucified.
AM> PS> He's a god, for crying out loud. How much suffering did he go
AM>through?
AM> How much suffering would you go through if you could stop it at
AM>anytime?
Then why did you god only manage a few hours? Not much suffering there.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Instead of being born again, why don't you just grow up?
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
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(On 02-06-96 Andrew Masten replied to Frederick Leff)
AM> FL> Oh come on now, you can do better than that! I have read the
AM> FL> bible and it says that your god kills millions of people (ie-
AM> FL> the flood), takes back his word, lies, etc... Tell me what your
AM> FL> god is like, who is he?
AM> God is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
Ps. 18:41, Isa 1:15, Matt 27:46
AM> God loves unconditionally.
Matt. 25:46, Num 11:1
AM> He is just.
Exod.20:5, Gen9:25
AM> But He is merciful.
Jer 13:14
AM> He knows the future as if it already happened.
Gen 3:8
AM> He is not a man that He should lie.
Thess. 2:11, Ezek 14:9
AM> He changes not.
Gen 6:6
AM> There is none beside him.
Gen. 1:26, Gen. 3:22.
AM> He has a sense of humor.
Gen. 17:10, Gal 5:2
AM>I hope that gives you some idea. All these attributes come from the
AM>bible.
As do the ones I list that contradict yours. I could find some more,
but, since you haven't even read your Bible completely, it would be a
waste of time.
AM>--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
AM> * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... SATANIC; n: Anything a fundamentalist Christian doesn't like.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
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(On 02-07-96 Michael Hardy replied to Preston Simpson)
M H>-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> MG> Why is human life different from other animal life?
MH> PS> "Because we have *souls*!"
MH> MH> Pretty much, yeah.
MH> PS> A strange argument. How do you know this to be true?
MH> I don't. I *believe* it to be true. It's an integral part of my
MH> worldview. I can't demonstrate it to an unbeliever, and wouldn't
MH>claim to.
What do you beleive with regards to reincarnation?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Christianity is a disease"
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: children
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
EID:3461 204a8b40
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(On 02-07-96 Michael Hardy replied to Frederick Leff)
MH> MH> Actually, since they died while they were still innocent,
MH> MH> they're enjoying eternity in heaven and probably have no
MH> MH> complaints.
MH> FL> Gee and I thought that your jesus said that unless anyone accept
MH> FL> him, that person will NOT enter the kingdom of god. Oh well,
MH> FL> more lies as always...
MH> Children who haven't yet learned enough in order to *knowingly*
MH>choose right and wrong are not held responsible by God, in my
MH>belief. Sin has to be a concious choice, and it can only be a
MH>concious choice for someone who knows enough to make such a choice.
What about the many people who have never heard of your god? Do they
get to go to heaven? They don't sin *knowingly*. If so, this would be
a strong argument in shooting Missionaries on sight!:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Creationist nonsense" is redundant.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: legend
|Date: 10 Feb 96 17:26:00
EID:1279 204a8b40
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(On 02-05-96 Dan Ceppa replied to Michael Hardy)
DC> MH> Scholars date the earliest letters of Paul almost unanimously
DC> MH> dated to the late 40s and early 50s. They are explicitly
DC> MH> Christian in the
DC>Scholars date the Aurthurian legends to about 1100 CE.
DC>That makes them true.
Of course! Scholars should be the experts, after all:)
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: legend
|Date: 10 Feb 96 19:27:00
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(On 02-08-96 Michael Hardy replied to Brian Kolacy)
MH> BK> Shakespeare is just as believable, and much more prolific. 10-12
MH> BK> years is a long time, Mike.
MH> Shakespeare, for the most part, didn't write about real people who
MH> lived just 10 years before the play was written.
"For the most part"...hmmm. You would seem to agree with me to a
certain extent, then. How many stories of Shakespeare's *were* about
his peers? How much of your Bible regards stories about the authors'
peers? We can probably throw out the O.T., correct? Now, what does
that leave us with...the N.T.? What are the projected dates of all the
books of the N.T. as they relate to their stories?
MH> For a more reasonable example, if I wrote a story about Ronald
MH>Reagan's presidency, and invented a fictional vice-president and
MH>cabinet members, and claimed that Reagan championed big government
MH>social programs and zeroing out the defense budget, and tried to
MH>pass it off as fact, would it hold up under scrutiny in 1996?
Not bad...get to work on it. Perhaps, in 2000 years, it will be *just*
as sacred a document as your Bible, and people will be defending it as
whole heartedly as you are defending *your* particular myths. Throw a
few translations in there, and see what that does for you book, as
well:).
MH> MH> Furthermore, scholars have dated the composition of the three
MH> MH>synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) within a range of a.d.
MH> MH>40 to a.d. 80 or so, with liberal scholars opting for later
MH> MH>dates and conservative scholars opting for earlier ones, in most
MH> MH>cases. John's gospel is variously dated anywhere from a.d. 60 to
MH> MH>a.d. 100.
MH> BK> 30 years is a long time Mike. Certainly long enough to come up
MH> BK> with the few pages of myth you revere so much.
MH> Not and get people who lived through the time and in the place they
MH> were about to believe them.
What makes you so sure people of the time beleived them? Perhaps, given
enough time,
MH> BK> So, you don't think your scholars took that into account when
MH> BK> they dated your myths? Where did you get your ThD? You seem
MH> BK> to base your dates on the earliest estimates, and then propose
MH> BK> to push them back a few more years? Stick with the scholars,
MH> BK> Mike, you're out of your league.
MH> Not at all, Brian. I'm quite familiar with the various dating
MH>theories and the strengths and weaknesses of each of them.
Hmmm...not only are you familiar with them, but you are able to able to
declare some weak, and some strong? Again, *where* did you get your
ThD?
MH> BK> Sure there is! Your authors have plenty of *older* legend to
MH> BK> draw upon! Take Mithra, for example. Predate your legends by
MH> BK> 500 centuries, and yet seem *awfully* similar.
MH> The Mithra story bears very little resemblance to Jesus.
But enough resemblance to make the Jesus story to seem unoriginal. Add
to that the plethora of *other* myths involving resurrection, healing
the sick, etc, and Jesus is absolutely trite!
MH>That theory
MH> has been soundly debunked among scholars, and only a few eccentrics
MH> would give it any currency today.
Really? Do tell...your scholars (funny how they always seem to show up
when you need them) state that the Jesus story is absolutley original,
and unlike the other myths of the day?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... The real money is in starting your own religion. --L. Ron Hubbard
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: scientists
|Date: 10 Feb 96 19:27:00
EID:e3a6 204a9b60
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(On 02-08-96 Michael Hardy replied to Brian Kolacy)
MH> MH> Note that all of these have their credentials from secular
MH> MH> universities. I would say they are all legitimate scientists who
MH> MH> believe a Creator is necessary, or at least a viable hypothesis,
MH> MH> to explain our existence.
MH> BK> Yet you describe most as Christians...Certainly you mean
MH> BK> "scientists who believe the Christian God is necessary..."
MH> I mean what I said.
So, none of them have stated that *your* god is the "necessary Creator"?
Let's not equivocate now, Mike. How many have them provided evidence,
not only for the existence of a creator, but evidence that it is *your*
creator, in addition to evidence that none of the other "creators"
exist?
MH> MH> Unless you want to assert that their conclusion to that effect
MH> MH> automatically disqualifies them. Which is simply a case of
MH> MH> picking the arrows you like and drawing a target around them,
MH> MH> defining the arrows other as misses simply because you don't
MH> MH> like what they hit.
MH> BK> Puhleeze! You must admit this undermines their credibility just
MH> BK> a tad...
MH> Why? Dogamtically insisting that no god is possible strikes you as
MH> "objective?"
I'm sorry. I have not come across any authors of scientific texts that
have felt that was important to the subject of the text to include any
regard for the supernatural, positive or negative. I've not read
"Gravity is the reason things seem to fall to the earth, no gods are
required". So, it came as a surprise to me that your scientists were
doing so. I would not regard as credible *any* "scientist" who
discusses things *outside* of this universe...that's hardly being
objective. Or did your "creator" create the universe from within the
universe? Try the ranch dressing...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... The only time I open my mouth is to change feet!! Michael Hardy
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 10 Feb 96 19:27:00
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(On 02-08-96 Michael Hardy replied to Brian Kolacy)
M H>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Michael Hardy <=-
MH> MH> KDM> Real loving god, Jim.
MH> MH> So what you're saying is, the eternal creator of the universe
MH> MH> should have no standards for his children? He should let
MH> MH>murderers and rapists waltz on into heaven if they want to?
MH> MH> Real just and righteous God you want there, Kevin.
MH> BK> And yet you admit that Dahmer could be a candidate for Heaven,
MH> BK> as well as Hitler? How 'bout Paul Hill? Any predictions?
MH> Nope. I don't make such predictions. Anyone can go to heaven -- but
MH>on God's terms, not their own.
It seems that your creators "standards" aren't very high..."So, you
killed quite a few people, made life generally miserable for quite a few
people, who are *also* my children. But, on the plus side, you accept
Jesus as your personal saviour...Sure! Come on in!"...Try the cottage
cheese, I think you'll enjoy it!
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Jesus loves you. But then again, so does Barney.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: jerks
|Date: 10 Feb 96 19:27:00
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(On 02-08-96 Michael Hardy replied to Brian Kolacy)
MH> No, because there are different levels of love. You love your wife
MH>in an intimate way that you can't love a nodding acquaintance you
MH>know from the office. Yet you can love that acquaintance in a very
MH>general way, of wishing them no ill.
Yes...theirs a term for that..."like".
MH> BK> You can say that you "love" lots of
MH> BK> people, including me, because your dogma demands it, but it's
MH> BK> not really love.
MH> Yes, it is. It just isn't anywhere near as intimate as the love I
MH>have for my wife. It isn't anywhere near as tangible as the love I
MH>have for a close friend. It's a very minimal sort of love, out of
MH>necessity.
I disagree, and I think you do a disservice to people who know the
difference 'twixt "love" and bearing no ill will for people.
MH> True, you cannot love an abstract mass of people -- the world -- in
MH>any kind of meaningful, personal way. But then, Jesus never
MH>commanded us to. He told us "love your neighbor," and "love your
MH>enemy." To love someone, there has to be some kind of personal
MH>relationship, however minimal.
Does Jesus make the distinction 'twixt your concept of "minimal" love,
and real love?
MH> BK> Now...do you love me?
MH> Minimally. :)
Again, I disagree. You don't know me well enough to love me. I'd say
you just bandy around the word "love" so you can be seen in a better
light to your fellow Christians...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Ah. So you're a waffle man!" -- Talkie Toaster
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Maria russel in the new_w
|Date: 11 Feb 96 02:11:08
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Anthony Grigor-Scott mumbled "Maria russel
in the new_w"
AG>> There was an Illuminati before there was a United States of America.
PS> And your evidence for this is?
AG> Go to a library and find out yourself. In 1770, Adam Weishaupt was
Silly me, expecting you to substantiate your claims.
AG> retained by A.M. Rothschild and certain money lenders to revise and
AG> modernise the age old `Protocols' designed to impose the Luciferian
AG> ideology. His task was completed on MAy 1, 1776. Their insignia was
AG> chosen for the Great Seal of the United States in 1782.
And what, exactly did Weishaupt do to found the United States?
... "Bother," said Pooh, as he signed for the shipment of plutonium.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hurry! Hurry!
|Date: 11 Feb 96 02:11:08
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Hurry! Hurry!"
PS> Okay. Expect Netmail.
PS> Got it.
DW> Need I say any more? :)
... Behind Door #3 is... Tiamat! Better luck next time.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 11 Feb 96 02:11:09
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "NO I'M NOT DEAD"
PS> We caught a nasty spot of weather here. School on Wednesday was
PS> cancelled due to a nice rainstorm that had turned the streets icy when
PS> the temperatures dropped. They thawed out over the night, were clear
PS> Thursday, and got iced even worse on Friday night, only to be clear
on
PS> Saturday morning. Just small patches of ice left here and there, but
a
PS> lot of people were running around like chickens with their heads cut
PS> off due to the local suspicion that we'd have a repeat of the ice
PS> storm in that we had in '94.
DW> Stop yer fucking bitchin'. I had snow up to my ass for damn near a
'Tain't bitchin'. I saw people who *were* bitching, but I wasn't one of
'em.
Me, I was glad for the holiday.
DW> week. Wednesday, my one meal consisted of the last 12 crackers with
a
DW> little dollop of peanut butter spread between each pair. I didn't even
DW> have any beer. :)
Poor baby. Do you need a care package?
DW> Seriously, I have a Toyota pick-up. Friday morning, the bed was *full*
DW> of snow. The goddamned Canadians are trying to take over the world.
And they're succeeding. What was this nonsense about global warming?
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 10 Feb 96 03:53:01
EID:64ca 204a1ea0
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Wednesday February 07 1996 15:59, Karen Davis mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> Sure we are, and they happen all the time. Why the difference in his
KM>> behavior, he no longer has to deal with us directly, we have Christ
KM>> now, which they did not have in the old testiment. Not in the same
KM>> that we have him now. He died for our sins, and we go to heaven
KM>> through his death, not through our own works.
KD> Why can't he deal with us directly?
So you'de rather have it like the Old Testament? And in a why he does since
Christ is God, just a different form of God. And I didn't say that he couldn't
just that he doesn't have to. That is why he sent his Son to die on the
cross, so all we would have to do is accept him and go to heaven, instead
of the way it was in the old testament.
KD> It's clear in the Old Testament that he becomes increasingly more
KD> distant as time goes on. Why? It is NOT a sudden change with the advent
KD> of Christ.
First find out what each book is about. Then understand that when they created
the KJV they grouped the books together. Law, History, Poetry and Wisdom,
and Prophecy. You would start to understand it. That is only the way that
they grouped it together. Of course your going to find more direct involvement
with us in the books of the Law and History. Poetry and Wisdom, not much
involvemet there, then on to the Prophecy which the involvement level changes
according to the prophet. It's not that God dealt with us any less, it's
the way the books were arranged.
KD> He actually shows himself to Adam and Eve.
And Adam and Eve goofed up, and he could no longer walk with them.
KD> He speaks directly to Noah and Moses.
How else would he have gotten the Ark built or convienced Moses to go back
to a land where he was wanted for murder?
KD> He "opens eyes" and grants prayers in the later Bible [I opened just
KD> coincidentally to 2 Kings 6:17]. Very little direct speech.
2 Kings is history.
KD> COULD IT BE that this is classic mythology at work, with legendary
KD> status and magic increasing over time as we distance ourselves from
our
KD> ancestors?
Could it be that that is just the way it was arranged? Could it be different
styles of writting? Seems to me that by the New Testament, since Christ
was indeed God, that he was pretty involved with us then, and according
to the Revelation, he will be in the future as well. Maybe it's because
we have forgotten how to listen?
KM>> So you'de chooce hell?
KD> "I'de chooce hell", yes. I can not believe in or worship the god of
the
KD> Judeo/Christian Bible. I can not believe in him because it is obvious
to
KD> me that an omnipotent being has no need to engage in some of the acts
KD> attributed to him in the Bible.
But are you looking at the omnipotent being as he is, or trying to measure
him as you think he sould be?
KD> I will not worship him even if he exists
KD> because of the acts and words attributed to him in the Bible.
So you refuse him because he protected his people as he promised? You refuse
him because he wiped out those that would not worship him, and those that
worshipped other gods instead? I don't know what you see, but all I see
is God doing what he had to do.
KD> I refuse
KD> on principle to worship someone who tells me to be silent during worship
KD> and prevents me from teaching other adults.
Tells you to be silent during worship? First off I don't worship God in
public. I worship God in the privacy of my own home, not while I'm at church.
And I do get my chance to teach the other adults.
KD> I also, on principle, do not
KD> feel that creating entitles someone to worship.
Oh really? Who would deserve worship then? God only gave you the air you
breath, the water you drink and the food that goes into your belly. A planet
to live on, for that matter life itself. But that doesn't deserve worship?
KD> I respect but do not
KD> worship my parents.
Your parents might have had you, but they didn't create you.
KD> I will assist them in any way possible and will
KD> express my feelings for them whenever it is appropriate, convenient,
KD> and/or needed. I do not get down on my knees before them and sing their
KD> praises. I will not even consider doing for an unproven Creator what
I
KD> won't do for my parents.
Your parents are not gods, noone should expect you to worship them.
KD> Why does an omnipotent God need to send a sacrifice in order to forgive?
I don't know, that is the way it has to be, simply because he said it was.
KD> If we committed the sins, it is we who need to sacrifice.
And that is the way it was done in the old testament, however that sacrifice
pointed to the sacrifice of Christ. Since Christ died for our sins, it's
become easier to go to heaven, not harder.
KD> My parents are
KD> capable of forgiving nearly any act I might commit which hurts them,
KD> within limits. Why can't God forgive the same acts?
God can forgive, and he has told us how to get that forgiveness. It's funny
there are many here that belittle God because he said to man that man should
not kill, but God himself (who has the right) had to kill and it's such
a big deal because he did not (not my opinion) follow the laws that he gave
man. God said that if you sin you must die, and you condemn him for doing
what he said. God said I will sacrifice my Son so that you do not have die.
I have no idea why there must be the shedding of blood for sin, I'm not
God I am not qualified to tell you why God made it that way. All I can say
is that that is the way it is, that is what God said has to be done, so
that is the way that it must be.
KD> I haven't done
KD> anything worse to God than I have to my own parents. [Yes, I have indeed
KD> spoken against my parents, as I believe my mother physically abused
me
KD> as a child. I have also defied their authority.]
Sin comes down to one thing disobediance. If you did not have sin in your
life, you would not have even spoken against your mother, and she would
never have given you reason to believe that she physically abused you as
a child.
KD> Why does a perfect, omnipotent God admit to what we consider a character
KD> flaw in the 10 Commandments text themselves - he admits to being
KD> jealous!
Maybe you consider jealously a character flaw, I do not. I believe that
it is a natural feeling that goes right along with love.
KD> If he is perfect, then something that is godlike cannot be a
KD> character flaw.
So jealousy must not be a character flaw.
KD> In fact, he then goes on to state a commandment which
KD> contradicts that flaw - Thou Shalt not Covet. Well, he's Coveting other
KD> God's worshippers!
There is no other god.
KD> Why does a perfect, omnipotent God need to give us someone between him
KD> and us?
You forget that Christ said, "I and my Father are one" They are the same
being, just different forms of the same being.
KD> BTW - Please consider doing at least the most basic proofreading on
your
KD> messages. The second and third graders I teach would be able to find
KD> your errors.
Fine let them then.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Kenneth Mcabee
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 10 Feb 96 04:20:02
EID:ca7b 204a2280
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Thursday February 08 1996 19:28, Martin Goldberg mumbled to Kenneth Mcabee:
KM>> Nope, no faith at all, especially since I have kids, and know
KM>> where that money comes from.
MG> Me either. Your god, attributed with creation, life origins and other
MG> feats of nature is passe. You see, I know what caused most of this
stuff.
MG> We do not need to believe tht little men playing ninepins causes thunder.
Martin,
I know caused most of it too. And I don't believe that little men playing
ninepins causes thunder either.
Kenneth Mcabee
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Dave Oosterman
|Sub: Joy...in salvation...
|Date: 10 Feb 96 08:04:00
EID:bf3f 204a4080
-=> Quoting Dave Oosterman to Preston Simpson <=-
DO> yet. I'd like yours, if I may, and will send out a note when I find
a
Here's my new one, if you want it. jbandsma@concentric.net
If not, just dump it in the trash.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: those noms du smoke
|Date: 10 Feb 96 08:14:00
EID:8458 204a41c0
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Kevin D. Mckenzie <=-
MH> He's not Lump. Dave Oosterman has confirmed for me that Lump really
MH> is Mark Staal.
That may be true, but can Dave tell you for sure that it really IS Mark
posting here under his own name...or Jim using Mark's name as another
alias? And would Mark admit to it if that were the case?
There really is a Lon Mabon (minus the 'S'), too. He is a bigot who believes
that capital punishment should be used for gays, just because they are gay,
female adulterers should be stoned and children killed for sassing their
parents. Maybe you didn't know that? Why did you think the choice of that
particular name is offensive to EVERYBODY with the exception of other
extreme right wing bigots? Anyone who would chose to use that name must
know
what it stands for.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: Recruiting for the CIA
|Date: 10 Feb 96 08:22:00
EID:f5a3 204a42c0
-=> Quoting Rick Mcfarlane to Judith Bandsma <=-
RM> Then they have interesting qualifications for field ops. A PhD in
RM> Operations Research or Mathematics, (undergrad degree in Engineering
a
RM> plus), and a working knowlege of Fortran - must come in real handy
RM> when you're under cover in Afganistan.
Math for helping to interpret data, engineering for helping to build (or,
more likely, destroy) targeted installations...bridges, industrial complexes,
etc...Fortran for programming viral destruction of 'enemy' government
computers and for encoding transmissions. Not all of the work the CIA does
is done in rice fields and on the sides of mountains. You are more likely
to
find them in a trade delegation.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 10 Feb 96 08:28:00
EID:f137 204a4380
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to David Worrell <=-
RS> the Republican in the race -- Gordon Smith, a devout Mormon.
After seeing what just happened, I wonder what Styx will say to the
following 2 words?
PAT BUCHANAN
... Make sure your words are soft ones. You may have to eat them one day.
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|From: Bill Burns
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: Libraries
|Date: 09 Feb 96 16:43:45
EID:4c26 20498560
MSGID: 1:280/26 4a16fdff
TID: InterEcho 1.16 6E011051
-> So which are the good Christian apologists? I'm a philosopher, and
-> I've studied Plantinga and Swinburne along with several lesser
-> thinkers, to list just the moderns. I hope they weren't the ones
-> you were thinking of.
Well, many here would assert that there is no such thing....
But to answer your question, I would recommend Francis Shaeffer, Ravi Zacharias,
and even though I have only read a few smatterings of his work, I have heard
that Peter Kreeft is good. I also have read just a little of Plantinga,
(not enough to really give me any feel for him). Another couple of names
you might check out are Norman Geisler and Francis Beckwith.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Xtian Science?
|Date: 10 Feb 96 20:14:02
EID:4e0c 204aa1c0
Whilst masticating on , Shelby Sherman (1:123/67)
wrote to Michael Hardy:
MH>> God makes us responsible for alleviating suffering. He allows it to
MH>> continue because *we* should be trying to relieve it. It's part of
the
MH>> purpose of our life on earth, part of how we choose whether to love
God or
MH>> Makes perfect sense to me.
SS> Please outline for me exactly how to relieve the suffering of the Ebola
SS> virus. Thanks.
Kill the heathens as soon as their infection is discovered. That will prevent
them from suffering as the disease progresses. It's the Christian thing
to do.
Speaking of Christian ways, have you ever read about how European Christians
were partlly responsible for the spread of the Black Death? Seems they
believed cats were Satanic, and killed every cat they saw. Naturally, the
rat population exploded, along with the rat fleas that carried plague!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Re: 1 god
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:03
EID:993e 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hi Hector.
You think of me as a foolish man because of my belief in the
bible and God Jesus Christ? If he doesn't exist why do so many hate
him then, or the people that follow his word? You and others have
fallen in to Satan's trap! He confuses the truth in your eyes, so
that you don't understand what is going on.
But do not be troubled you can be saved! Like these fellows that
were sinners:
Acts 2:36-38
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
{37} Now when they heard , they were pricked in their heart,
and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men
brethren, what shall we do? {38} Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the
remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Hector read the bible because it is the manual to the program of
life!
Brad
... All I need is a Wave and a board to surf it on.
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Re: God's Word
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:04
EID:72e6 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hello Ryan
Ryan if you would have taken the time yourself to read the bible
you would have found out that what this fellow wrote in that book
was false. You are among many that quote his book with out doing
the research yourself. I will not answer to it because I know it to
be false, all you have to do is do some reading of a good book the
bible to know it as well.
God word is the truth case closed!
Brad
... RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:04
EID:f26f 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
SB> Just answer the question instead of dancing around it! I'll ask again:
SB> :If god 'hates the sin but loves the sinner, how come he doesn't send
SB> the sin to hell and save the sinner whom he (supposedly) loves?:
Greetings once again.
If you would have taken the time to read the bible like I
suggested you would have found out that Jesus gives us a chance to
participate in our salvation, and get rid of our sins.
Acts 2:36-38
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
{37} Now when they heard , they were pricked in their heart,
and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men
brethren, what shall we do? {38} Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the
remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The answers are in the bible just waiting your you to discover them.
Brad
... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Re: One God Jesus
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:04
EID:5434 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Scot Bear to Brad Jackson <=-
SB>
SB> I think you should get your nose out of the bible and get a spelling
SB> book. Your spelling is atrocious!
SB> Do it!
SB> Now!
Hi Scot
I am glad you are watching out for me! Maybe you could help me
with my spelling and I could help you with the bible?
Brad
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:05
EID:cf02 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Brad Jackson <=-
KD> On (06 Feb 96) Brad Jackson wrote to Martin Goldberg...
KD> If the plans were awful, I'd go get others.
KD> The Bible is by no means the best plan in the world. It specifically
KD> demotes me, an intelligent female, to second place status. It gives
no
KD> role models for female leaders. Thus it fails.
KD> ... Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.
Hi Karen.
First off of course the bible is the best set of plans, they are
from God.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture given by [inspiration] of God, and
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
Of course it gave role models to follow for women. Please take the
time to read the bible it would be the best thing you could do for
yourself right now. But I will give you a small eg. of a role
women can play in our world.
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your [women] keep silence in the churches: for it is not
permitted unto them to speak; but to be under
obedience, as also saith the law.
You see women do have a role may it be a silent one.
Brad
... Go straight to the docs. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:05
EID:73a6 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Brad Jackson <=-
MG> Now....non biblical evidence for your god please. Evidence is not
MG> what you wnat it to be...it is fact.
Hi Martin.
You ask for none bible evidence, and people tell me I think in
circles. Do you believe in Enstins theories? How do you know they
are correct?
If you were to answer, because I can put them to partice and see the
results. I would have to say try doing so with the bible and see
the results for yourself.
The fact is the bible is true!
Brad
... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:05
EID:01a8 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hi Dan.
What evidence would make you happy? What would you have to see
or here to make you believe?
I look into the pages of the bible know that it is true. I pray to
God and he answers me, I need no more evidence.
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall [ask in my name], that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
Keep trying to understand Dan, it will be worth it in the end!
Brad
... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:06
EID:4032 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hi Don
What you ask me for, none bible evidence. Why do you have to
get evidence from another sourse?
eg. If your math teacher showed you that 1 + 1 = 2 why would you
ask someone else? I would have to say that the math teacher is
correct and follow that theory, because they showed me it was
correct.
God gave us his word. So why would I go looking for someone else to
tell me it is true?
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture given by [inspiration] of God, and
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
I can believe in what I know to be true.
Brad
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Re: One Staal
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:06
EID:02cb 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Karen Davis to Brad Jackson <=-
KD> On (06 Feb 96) Brad Jackson wrote to Fredric Rice...
KD> You have no idea who Odin is? Your education was sadly neglected. But
KD> of course in this Christonazi country, where Christians want books on
KD> how to draw monsters, etc. out of libraries as well as _The Wizard of
KD> Oz_, I wouldn't be surprised.
KD> Odin is just as valid a god as yours.
Hi Karen
You are sadly mistaken, Jesus is the only God.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of
hosts; I the first, and I the last; and beside me no God.
You should never bow down to any other so called Gods Karen.
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt [worship] the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou
serve.
Jesus is God the only God for all times.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
As far as my education goes, I do agree I am always learning
something new every day. Of course it is something new from God.
Brad
... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1996
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: the Bible
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:06
EID:89ed 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Brad Jackson <=-
BJ> I have lots of evidence, it is called the King James Bible. Or
MG> Are you too ignorant to understand that the bible is not evidence of
MG> itself?
Hi Martin.
Tell me why the bible isn't evidence Martin? If you follow it
and do what is written in it you will get results. So how could
that not be evidence? If I read a cook book and followed the
directions I could bake a cake. So if I follow what is in the bible
I will lead a good life, and go to Heavan.
Brad
... Catch the Blue Wave!
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 10 Feb 96 13:05:07
EID:3387 204a68a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Brad Jackson <=-
-> On 02-06-96 15:30, Brad Jackson got back to Fredric Rice
FR> If you have evidence for the existance of _any_ deities, how about
BJ> I have lots of evidence, it is called the King James Bible. Or
DC> Ever hear of Circular Logic?
DC> Didn't think you did, or you would have provided evidence.
DC> ... "Your logic is so faulty its in danger of earthquakes." Raven
Hi Dan.
I am not the one using circular Logic. I ask you and others why
can you not follow God's word and see for yourself, the results. Do
you have to have everyone else do the work for you?
If you read the bible and followed what is laid out in it for you,
then you could get the same results as me.
A scientist does his own research. Go to church and pray, for
guidence.
Matthew 7:7
[Ask , and it] shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
and it shall be opened unto you:
I hope this helps you Dan.
Brad
... What do you mean? You actually read this Tagline?!?
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Scot Bear
|Sub: Circular reasoning
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:31:16
EID:2437 204a53e0
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 b1e246bb
On (09 Feb 96) Scot Bear wrote to Marilyn Burge...
> He's a PREACHER!!?? That fully explains the exchange I
> had
> with him. I quoted a scripture where his gawd bragged about
> creating evil. He then actually QUOTED IT BACK TO ME, minus
> that one phrase "I created evil." Lynda chastized him for
> lying instead of addressing the issue I raised. I then
SB> Actually, he quoted back to you the "cleaned-up" version
SB> where the word *evil* is changed to a kinder, more-gentle
SB> (tm) word... The copy of the Gideon Bible (which I procured
SB> from Wyoming, MI, Jim Staal's hometown) is listed as
SB> "confusion" instead of "evil"...
No, he left out that one phrase altogether. It was LYNDA who
quoted various translations that used other words -- primarily,
the word "calamity," if I remember correctly.
On a more subjective note, do you see any real qualititative
difference between "evil," "confusion," and "calamity" in
this context. Damned if I can see much. Regardless of which
word you use, the god of the OT beat his chest and bragged
about being the guy responsible for giving humans a hard time.
... If we honor the rights of gays then everyone else will want rights too!
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: An interesting situation
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:02:19
EID:895b 204a5040
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 2dea438b
On (08 Feb 96) Judith Bandsma wrote to Sue Armstrong...
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Mark Hogan <=-
SA> Well, maybe it'd be an idea to START carrying it, legalities be
SA> damned. Buy it in the States, if it's cheaper. As far as
JB> You don't even need pepper spray. If you're worried about legalities,
JB> a small can of hair spray works wonders (and you get hailed as being
JB> inventive in the bargain). Hell, a pump spray bottle filled with lemon
JB> juice and water is better than nothing. Ammonia if you're into hurting
JB> someone...colored with a permanent ink if you're looking to ID the
JB> asshole after the fact.
JB> In fact, almost anything in a spray can that gives instruction to
JB> 'keep out of eyes' can be effective on an attacker. And if you can get
JB> it in a grocery store or pharmacy, should give you no legal problems.
I should think a bit of cayenne in water would be very effective,
whether in a spray bottle or not, if one's aim is pretty good.
... Ñh‹s Ña€lïî h„$ ƒ ûŒrš$ n ‹t - dínt $tŠ†l ¡ç!!!!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: scientists
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:05:08
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On (09 Feb 96) Shelby Sherman wrote to Michael Hardy...
SS> This takes me back to one of my original questions, i.e., do
SS> you Michael Hardy know the differnece between science and
SS> religious belief?
Paul Davies seems to be a bit of a creationist poster boy around
here. I think Mikey has cited him being awarded the "prestigeous"
Templeton Prize as some kind of "proof" that Davies has mainstream
acceptance.
PHILANTROPIST BUYS GOD'S WAY INTO COLLEGE
Mutual fund multi-millionaire Sir John Templeton
is putting his money where his mouth is. Or vice
versa. Mainstream Protestantism's most lavish
philantropist will spend $1 million a year funding
new "Science and Religion" courses at about 100
colleges and universities. Front and center on one
of the syllabi: Templeton's own book, _The God Who
Would be Known_.
His new course has been compared to the Bass family's
failed effort to redirect the teaching of Western
civilization at Yale -- only it affects more schools
and involves more direct control over course content.
Templeton is also known for funding the world's
largest cash award, the oxymoronic Templeton Prize
for Progress in Religion. Recipients of the $1
million prize have included Watergate felon-turned-
fundamentalist Chuck Colson and theistic physicist
Paul Davies.
Source: Spring 1996 Secular Humanist Bulletin, Vol 12, Number 1.
It looks like the only thing about the Templeton Prize that is
"prestigeous" is the amount of $$$ involved.
... Man cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Re: FOF=Staal abuse
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:24:13
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-=> Quoting Tim Pauly to Fredric Rice <=-
TP> I happen to be a Christian,
That is sad to hear.
and I happen to be a single parent of
TP> three children.
And living like a Christian too I see.
I'd like to know what's so abusive about teaching my
TP> children respect, honesty, charity, selflessness, and yes, about
TP> God.
Which god? There are thousands.
You may see the Bible as an "obvious lie", but I don't agree,
TP> and neither do countless others.
Didn't your mother ever ask you the rhetorical question, "If everyone else
jumps off a bridge, are you going to as well"?
I see evolution, the "big bang"
TP> theory, and countless other scientific theories as obvious lies.
Don't blame anyone but yourself for your lack of education.
I'm
TP> not going to get into a debate with anyone about "proving the
TP> existance of God", or "proving the non-existance of God", that's not
TP> the point of this note.
Very wise of you, you can't prove negatives and you don't have any evidence.
But to try to say that all Christians are
TP> child abusers is an ignorant statement, at best.
Unfortunately it rears itself at it's worst, it is a true statement.
george
... Religion? Where we are going we don't need religions.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Re: Oppose the Religios Right
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:27:32
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-=> Quoting Tim Pauly to Fredric Rice <=-
TP> The last thing Fredric said was something about "Oppose the Religios
TP> Right" to All
FR> On issue after issue, their well organized voices are overpowering as
FR> they continually shut down switch boards with thousands of calls, clog
FR> voice-mail and overload fax machines in Congress and the White House.
TP>
TP> Maybe because we're a majority... =:-)
In your dreams.
FR> Their goal is to take over our political process and shift it
FR> dramatically to the right. They have been very successful doing it.
TP> Back where it belongs...
Does your mother or father or grandparents receive Social Security? If
they
do I expect you to have them give it back hypocrite.
george
... Neat little religion you've got there, but where is the god?
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Re: Kenny is back into his denial.
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:30:14
EID:c29b 204843c0
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-=> Quoting Kenneth Mcabee to Steve Rose <=-
SR> WOW!! You are finally getting the picture! Some truth and reality
for a
SR> change! Keep up the good work. There may be hope for you, after all.
KM> Steve,
KM> No Steve, I am not getting any pictures. YOU however are missing
KM> the picture completely. There is no such as a fundy, but there are
KM> Christians.
And apparently you aren't one of them. You do recall running into the night
when I mentioned Mark 16:15-18.
There is not babble of fairy-tales, but there is a Bible
KM> and it is not a bunch of fairy-tales.
Apparently you think Mark 16:15-18 is a fairy-tale.
There is no such thing as a
KM> gawd, but there is a God. Kenneth Mcabee
That can't tell you the chemical formula for the pills on my monitor.
george
... Typical fundie, kill his god for him and he doesn't even thank you.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Re: Hello!
|Date: 08 Feb 96 08:58:15
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-=> Quoting Kenneth Mcabee to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> I don't have to show you the note. Prove that I don't have it, as per
your
PS> request that I prove that there isn't a God.
KM> Like I said Preston, I'll see you in court when you try to claim that
KM> money you think I owe you.
And we'll see you in court with your evidence for your god. You can't have
it both ways. If we have to prove a negative to show you there is no god,
you
must prove a negative and show you don't owe a great many people money.
Yet you fail to pay up because you know very well that proving a negative
is
impossible, and you demand evidence.
So do we.
PS>> What it boils down to is this: In this universe, asking someone to
PS>> prove a negative (see claims like "Where's your evidence that a God
PS>> who can do ANYTHING doesn't exist?") is foolish, idiotic, and bound
to
PS>> be loaded with other qualifiers that speak poorly of the intelligence
PS>> of the person who made the request. In short, Ken, nobody with a grain
PS>> of common sense asks anyone to show evidence that any attribute of
any
PS>> hypothetical god or the hypothetical god itself *doesn't* exist.
PS>> Instead, we ask for evidence that the god or attribute *does* exist,
PS>> which is generally a lot easier to do than showing that it *doesn't*.
KM>> You can call it whatever you want. The point is this, if God can do
KM>> anything, which includes stuff like making floods disappear without
a
PS> Making them disappear without a trace? Isn't that lying? Or at the very
PS> least, obscuring the evidence of his existence?
KM> No it is in no way lying, obscuring the evidence of his existence,
KM> maybe, but then the Bible does tell us to believe by Faith, not by
KM> evidence.
Then why do you have a Bible? Without the Bible as evidence who knows what
god you would be worshipping.
And your response to Mark 16:15-18 already shows you have no faith in even
that bit of evidence.
You may not believe this but you are almost well. All us ex-fundies fought
the hardest as the lest shreads of our illness were torn from us. At the
time
we also had to resort to your tactics, turning reality on and off to make
sense
of reality.
You just allowed your god to lie above by obscurring evidence. Either god
is
lying or the book is lying. You chose to make god the liar rather than
the
book.
Shows just what you have faith in, and it isn't some god. It is a book
written
by mere men. Now if you honestly believed that god created the universe,
why
do you deny the only unequivical evidence he has left us of the event,
i.e.
the creation itself? Why do you refuse to believe god's universe if you
say
you have faith in god?
KM>> trace. You cannot prove to me that he does not exist, because first
PS> Of course I can't, largely for the same reasons that I can't prove that
PS> the Sun won't turn into a bran muffin next Tuesday.
KM> Thank you for being truthful.
Sun's don't turn into bran muffins and you still are short one god.
KM>> off I believe he can do anything. Telling me for instance that there
PS> How nice for you. Belief isn't equal to evidence, Ken. Do you understand
PS> this proposition?
KM> Evidence is not needed for eternal life Preston, Faith is.
And you can't show one dead person enjoying this eternal life.
KM>> flood the entire world does not exist on this world, doens't mean
KM>> diddly. Why? Because I don't believe by evidence I believe by faith.
PS> It must be nice to be ignorant for your god, Ken. Are you beginning
to
PS> grasp why I cannot be a Christian again? With folks like you urging
me
PS> to surrender my mind, I can clearly see that I have better things to
PS> do with my time than become a yammering fanatic for a god who won't
PS> have the common courtesy to show himself to me.
KM> I've never argued you to surrender your mind. Expecting God to show
KM> himself to you is no different than the Pharisee's asking Christ for
a
KM> sign. Remember what he told them? "An evil and adulterous nation
KM> seeketh after a sign". Anytime a sign was asked of him, he said he
KM> would not give it. Not to the Pharisee's, not to Satan, so why would
KM> you expect him to show you a sign Preston?
But according to your religion he did give them a sign, he rose from the
dead.
He healed the sick and turned water into wine. All signs, or at least
that
is what we are told.
Just like faith healers claims of today, under scrutiny they can't do it.
Your
god is toothless under the cold scrutiny of science.
We will all, those who have
KM> faith and those who have not, see God one day.
Mark 16:15-18.
But not when we expect
KM> it, but rather when God wants to.
And again Mark 16:15-18. If you drink I'll know exactly when to expect
it and
your god won't be able to do a thing about it.
KM>> Faith says that God can do anything, and that he could even create
a
PS> Faith says that there's an invisible pink hippo sitting in the room
with
PS> you right now. So what?
KM> Sorry, faith has nothing to do with invisible pink hippo's, you can
KM> try and pervert faith all you want Preston, it will do no good with
KM> me.
It is not a perversion of faith. It is what faith is.
You should have learned that already. And before you tell me that
KM> I will never convert you, I never came into this echo expecting to
KM> convert anybody.
Then the only reason you came here is for us to cure you.
KM>> flood without leaving a single trace that it ever happened. We believe
PS> Faith says that that hippo can even *fly*.
KM> Yes, and faith says that you can move a mountian if you have enough
of
KM> it.
Re-read your Bible fundie. It says, "Even if your faith is smaller than
a
mustard seed...".
So I guess you have much less faith than that.
KM>> that the scriptures that the Bible came from are all written about
KM>> this same God. So if you ask me for evidence I will show you the
PS> That's a screwed-up god you worship, then. A guy who's all fire and
PS> brimstone for half the book, and all bunnies and light with an ominous
PS> side for the other half?
Preston! God got a shot of leg from Mary at the half-way point. It mellowed
him out.
KM> All fire and brimstone for half? Have you read the same book that I
KM> have?
He was whacking everyone right and left that weren't his people and didn't
treat his people much better.
KM>> scriptures, you want me to give you evidence of a made up piece of
KM>> paper that you claim to have saying I owe you money? Fine I'll see
you
KM>> in court. As for whether God exist or not, I'll see you in his court
KM>> as well, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.
PS> It will indeed, as there is yet to be offered any substantial supporting
PS> evidence for this Bible thing of yours. But then, I don't have to worry
PS> about collecting my $1.8 billion from you. After all, I have faith
PS> that the note exists. Isn't that nice?
KM> Like I said Preston, it doesn't take evidence, it takes faith.
So why does your religion need a Bible if it takes faith? And as your fear
of Mark has shown, you don't have much in the faith department.
If you
KM> were a Christian and read your Bible you would know that already.
You are lying here. You said it takes faith. You didn't say anything about
written records be they fact or fiction.
You
KM> would know what Abraham told the rich man as he lifted his eyes up in
KM> hell and asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers to prove to
KM> them that hell existed. Abraham told him that they have Moses and the
KM> prophets, if they would not believe them, then the would not believe
KM> even if someone rose from the dead.
You have the Night Before Christmas yet you do not believe in Santa, and
I can
show you a room full of them.
Nice Biblical ploy. Since they couldn't raise a dead man, claim that I
wouldn't believe it. Even the Bible has a propensity for man-like
constructions of straw.
Interesting that there are many
KM> people today that claim that they died and saw heaven or Christ or
KM> God, and nobody believes them.....
Because they weren't all the way dead yet stupid. Note the lack of people
breaking out of cemetaries after a year and telling us about Jesus. The
number
to date in all of history is exactly zero.
george
... Typical fundie, kill his god for him and he doesn't even thank you.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 08 Feb 96 09:03:47
EID:f7e3 20484860
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Lump <=-
-> On 02-05-96 14:04, Lump got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> ... Lump ...Condom poster child
Lu> ... Ceppa.....retro-active abortion example
DC> Your getting almost witty, "English Major". Get a bit more and
DC> you might qualify for a half wit.
News Flash! Staal family brain power doubles.
The neuron has divided! Scientists are skepticle. They point out that
neuron's don't normally divide. They suspect that the original Staal family
neuron was mis-identified and was actually a glial cell.
In a hastily called news conference the Staal collective replied, "Science
should stand on a milk crate and get reconciled to me."
george
... Jim Staal, counterweight for the population of China.
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|From: George Rudzinski
|To: Tim Pauly
|Sub: Re: HS list
|Date: 08 Feb 96 09:10:29
EID:eda3 20484940
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-=> Quoting Tim Pauly to Steve Rose <=-
> TP> Christ at some point before their death, that they suffer for
> TP> eternity in a literal hell.
> And those *noids who DO call upon the fictional jaysus crust
> suffer the rest of their one and only LIFE in a similar
> manner.
TP> Who said anything about calling upon a fictional jaysus crust?
Unless you have Jesus in your pocket, he is dead and buried if he ever was.
TP> I said "call upon the name of Jesus Christ", and I'm enjoying this
TP> life immensely. No complaints here... No suffering that I know of...
TP> Actually, since I got saved, I'd say things are, for the most part,
TP> *great*.
That white wash on Sunday works great don't it?
You forgot part of your Bible. There is plenty of suffering in the world.
The suffering of your fellow man is supposed to be your's. Since you've
been
saved you should have all kinds of complaints.
george
... Lying is easy for Christians, they have Sunday.
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: The Light
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:10
EID:9abe 204a55a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
SR>Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Dan Ceppa:
SR> BJ> And you say that I don't think!!
SR>That would be an understatement, robotic fundy.
SR>--- IM2.29+/FE1.45a+/PB2.12+
SR> * Origin: * Above Board * (1:109/601)
SR>
Greetings Steve!
Word of the day for you, will be:
Mat 21:9 (KJV)
And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying,
Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of
the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
I am so glad you wanted to follow along.
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Kelsey Bjarnason
|Sub: Re: God's Word
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:11
EID:eb49 204a55a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
KB>BJ> You also ask how I know who inspired the bible!
KB>BJ>2 Timothy 3:16
KB>BJ>All scripture given by inspiration of God, and
KB>BJ>profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
KB>BJ>instruction in righteousness:
KB> Marvellous. So, if I tell you that this message was inspired by
KB> JuJu the overlord of all creation (including third-rate deities
KB> such as your "God"), will you simply believe me? No? But you
KB> believe that other story.
Hello Kelsey.
I can help you there Kelsey, JuJu isn't a God. I know this to be
true because there is only one God, Jesus.
Isa 44:6 (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of
hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
If you would only take the time to read his book, you would know this to
be true also.
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: One God
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:11
EID:b87b 204a55a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
RS>Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> RS> I don't really care what your god told you to do, I'm not
RS>interested.
RS> BJ> Your last statement of your reply. Believe it or not my God
RS> BJ> is also your God. Jesus is God of all things!
RS>I'm sorry but I don't share your delusions.
Hi Ryan.
I have no delusions. I know the true. If you would read his book
you would also know the true. And the truth will set you free.
I think you do care and are interested in God.
Isa 44:8 (KJV)
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and
have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me?
yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Don't be sorry Ryan, just take a little time to find out for yourself!
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: One God
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:12
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PS> BJ> Your last statement of your reply. Believe it or not my God is
PS> BJ> also your God. Jesus is God of all things!
PS>No, he isn't. I don't treat your god with any more respect than I
PS>treat any other god (which is to say, about zero).
PS>Whether he's a god is really unimportant. Whether I treat him as one
PS>is, and at this point in time, I do not.
PS> BJ> If you choose not to follow His word, it is your choice! But
PS> BJ> God is still God of all things!
PS>"Things," Brad, are not people. Are you capable of understanding this
PS>difference? And are you further capable of understanding the more
PS>subtle concept that those who insist that their god rules everything
PS>does not, in fact, mean that said god does such things, or even
PS>exists?
Hi Preston.
Preston you act like I am making this stuff up. Saying that I
claim these things. When this is far from the truth. I am only trying to
pass on some really good information to you.
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive
the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 (KJV)
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are
afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
So you can see here Preston, that the promise also includes you!
Don't be fooled Preston there is to much at stake.
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:12
EID:b11e 204a55a0
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
PS>Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Brad Jackson mumbled "Re: One God not
PS>three"
PS> BJ> You ask for independent evidence, what could be better then
PS> BJ> God's word? King James Bible! Why do you say he is dead Dan?
PS> BJ> Do
PS> The same tired claims. You have shown exactly zero evidence
PS>that there is a god, or that he exists according to Judeo-Christian
PS>parameters, or that he gave his words to anybody, or that those
PS>words, once given, were collated into a document known as the Bible.
PS>Until you do so, I am under no obligation to believe you.
Hi Preston.
You want more evidence that there is a God, Named Jesus. Ok go
look in the mirror. If it wasn't for God creating Adam you would not
exist.
Gen 2:7 (KJV)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
All the information you will ever need is within the pages of the Bible
Preston. I hope some day you will read the book for yourself and
discover God.
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: God's Word
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:12
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PS>This is circular at best, Brad. Do you enjoy being dizzy?
Hello again Preston.
This may help Preston. What evidence do you have that the bible
is false and not the word of God?
You see I have the bible and God to back up what I have said. I have
only quoted what was in his book, I didn't make any of this up.
Brad
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Kerry Renaissance
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:45:13
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KR> -=> Quoting Brad Jackson to Dan Ceppa <=-06 Feb 96 15:30:29
KR> BJ> There is only One God, Not three!
KR> DC> That's nice. Got some independent evidence to varify that
KR> DC> claim of yours?
KR>
KR> BJ> You ask for independent evidence, what could be better then
KR> BJ> God's word? King James Bible! Why do you say he is dead Dan?
KR> BJ> Do you have evidence of that? The flesh did die on the cross
KR> BJ> for us! But God is still alive!
KR> So make up your mind. Is he dead or alive? And what good does he
KR>do in either case?
KR> By the way, since you are promoting the Christian deity, as put
KR>forth in the Bible, the Bible does not qualify as independent
KR>evidence. It is a circular argument, which is invalid. Can you
KR>come up with another source, or is that the only book you own?
Hi Kerry.
Kerry, can you prove to me this book I am reading called the
bible is wrong? I tell you the truth as I know it, that the bible is
true. Many people have tried to prove other wise, but couldn't. If you
would only take the time to read God's word, I am sure you would have a
different point of view about it.
John 8:45
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye
not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God.
Get to know your Lord, so he can get to know you!
Brad
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 09 Feb 96 15:22:18
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On (08 Feb 96) Sue Armstrong wrote to AL SCHROEDER...
AS> Lack of courtesy generally in this society. I always thank a
AS> woman who holds upon a door for me. If she's pretty, I might
AS> thank her TWICE...
SA> Well, I usually get a "thank you" when I hold open a door for
SA> anyone, and in turn thank those who hold open a door for me.
SA> Then again, I don't live in the US, where people seem to
SA> think doing nice things is somehow weird. :\
That's only true in some parts of the US. We had the Willamette
River rise to within a hair of flood stage yesterday, threatening
the downtown businesses with severe water damage. People came from
all over the city to the seawall to fill sandbags and place them
so that the height of the seawall was, for all intents and
purposes, raised about a foot or so, just to protect those
inventories. Also, people crossed the Columbia River into
Washington State to do the same for those downtown businesses in
Vancouver, Washington. We ended up on the National News because of
our neighborliness. Opening a door hardly raises an eyebrow in
these-here parts. We are a city of over a million with a
population that still thinks they live in a hicktown.
Were the people paid for their hard work? NO! They did it because
it needed doing.
... My mind is my own church. THAT is what I'll use. Thomas Paine
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|From: Tim Pauly
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: HS list
|Date: 10 Feb 96 02:40:00
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> TP> I said "call upon the name of Jesus Christ", and I'm enjoying this
> TP> life immensely.
> Amazing how millions can have an equally fulfilling life
> without wasting their time worshipping those delusional
> fiction-friends, huh. Gee...makes you wonder how they can
> enjoy life without suffering the way you must do. Wonder
Where do you keep getting this idea that I'm somehow "suffering".
> what secrets they possess that your church-masters are
> keeping you from!
My "church-masters" don't hide anything from me, as I can clearly think
and see things for myself. Contrary to what you apparently think, I don't
happen to be enslaved, mentally, psychologically, or physically, by my church
leaders (pastors), or anyone else.
> TP> since I got saved, I'd say things are, for the
> TP> most part, *great*.
> You'll be erased in 40 years. No backups for you.
Just keep telling yourself that...
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|From: Tim Pauly
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Revised (by ME) HS list
|Date: 10 Feb 96 10:05:00
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> TP> d) I attend a Bible believing Baptist church
> I've often wondered about this - there's one of those near
> where I work. So you believe that all other Baptists are
> Koran believers, maybe? Would that make them Muslim? If these
> other Baptists are non-Bible believers, just what do they
> believe in?
It is meant to be an identifier, as some Baptist churches have been notorious
for just teaching whatever doctrine comes to mind at the time and fits their
purpose, without even cracking a Bible open.
> I must say I admire the style of your particular
> denomination. You are the only ones who don't have to be
> goaded into labelling other Christians as False Christian
> Scum. Hell, not only do you not have to be goaded into it,
I have never labelled anyone as "False Christian Scum", and neither has
the church I happen to attend.
> you broadcast it freely from the front lawn of your church.
> Pretty damned ballsy, if you ask me.
I am quite sure you have never seen the front lawn of my church. I believe
there is a sign that says "First Bible Baptist Church", and there is also
a small sign next to it advertising the church's day care center. I don't
recall seeing a sign or anything else saying "All other churches are false
Christian scum".
> Hmmm.. in the sake of fairness (and even we evil heathens are
> fair from time to time), I'm putting you on fascism
> probation. I haven't completely taken away the label, but I
> also haven't applied it firmly yet. We'll just have to see
> how you act.
> TP> h) I am here to stand up for my beliefs, and to be counted
> TP> among true believers.
> And to damn all the false believers to hell in the process,
> right?
I have never in my life called anyone an "evil heathen". I don't claim to
be better than you or anyone else. If don't need to point out other peoples
faults, as I have plenty of my own to try to keep in check.
I am not trying to earn my way to heaven by good works. That would imply
that I think I'm better than the next guy, and I don't.
- Tim
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|From: Tim Pauly
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Revised (by ME) HS list
|Date: 10 Feb 96 21:00:00
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> TP> things), and the way they are formed so beautifully and wondrously,
> TP> and that's my evidence.
> That is not evidence of any god, that simply suggests that
> there is a world around us.
So I guess you really believe what I said in jest, that living things evolved,
and knew they needed functional organs such as eyes, ears, etc; and formed
them out of necessity? How can something that can't even see light, or hear
sound, for example, know that such medium exists, and develop sensory organs
to accomodate? Quite illogical. Quite humorous...
> TP> Darwin's theory is laughable, at best. I
> TP> find it pretty amusing that one would actually believe a theory
> TP> that states that living things evolved from a micro-organism.
> Your ignorance is showing. Modern microbiologists do not use
> `Darwin's Theory'. It has changed thousands of times over in
> just the last half century. You see, that's how science
Then what is the present theory? Present it, and I will give my views on
it.
> TP> So what evidence do you have that evolution, or whatever other
> TP> theory you go by, is true?
> I'll leave that up to Globreg, he should take care of that
> nicely.
> While we're at it though, I'd like to see your theory for
> creationism. Please present to us so that we may examine it.
Read the book.
> TP> Physical evidence, no. Spiritual evidence, yes. I know because I
> TP> know my God is real, and I know what He says to be true.
> You don't know those things, you beLIEve those things.
No, I stand by what I said. I know these things. My Lord has proven Himself
to me over and over and over again...
- Tim
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|From: Rodney Green
|To: All
|Sub: Religion Debate?
|Date: 11 Feb 96 03:38:36
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PID: BWMAX2 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:260/801.0 311e54a0
Why debate about religion when we could talk about Jesus?
... Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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