God Damned Fundies!
|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Children
|Date: 14 Feb 96 13:26:20
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George Rudzinski > Styx Allum : Children
GR> Styx,
GR> With your permission I would like to post the pictures of missing
GR> children on your echo. In UUE format they average 60,000 bytes or six
GR> messages per UUE.
GR> I would like to post six pictures per day which is 36 messages.
GR> The cause is worthy, we are talking about missing children. And this
GR> medium can get their faces shown to many.
Uhm, won't this interfear with the pictures of fundamentalist's
missing brains that are currently on display here? And we haven't
found even ONE of them yet . . .
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: God's Word
|Date: 14 Feb 96 13:31:59
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J.J. Hitt > Brad Jackson : Re: God's Word
BJ> God word is the truth case closed!
JH> Always you sentences that way make?
I think he's another unfortunate victim of Yoda Complex, which is
also a multi-vitamin for Jedi Knights . . . };)
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|From: Terry Liberty-Parker
|To: All
|Sub: ACLU WINS FIRST ROUND!
|Date: 14 Feb 96 17:13:27
EID:3959 204e89a0
MSGID: 1:382/804.0 1226bb9c
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: SURV_NEWS) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Originally from Les Lemke (1:356/3.0) to ALL.
Original dated: Feb 13 '96, 01:52
˙
From CNET:
ACLU wins the first round
By Rose Aguilar
February 9, 1996, 1:30 p.m. PT
The online community has temporarily won its fight for free speech on
the Internet as the Department of Justice today agreed not to enforce
for seven days the provisions of the telecommunications bill that
make illegal any "indecent" material on the Internet.
"This is the first case that is really going to define free speech
rules for the 21st century," said Chris Hanse, senior staff counsel
for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). "The courts have to
wrestle with what rules apply when each new medium of speech is
developed. They haven't begun to grapple with whether or not
cyberspace will be free like print, since it is relatively new. This
case will answer their questions," he added.
"I think the Justice Department is aware that there are profound
constitutional problems with the bill and they don't want to impose a
chilling effect before these issues are dealt with by the court,"
said Michael Godwin, staff counsel at the Electronic Frontier
Foundation (EFF). "The court saw no problem agreeing not to enforce
the law while they prepare their own briefs," he added.
Material posted online for seven days will not be subjected to
prosecution, but the Justice Department could still decide to
prosecute retroactively. "The government agreed they wouldn't
prosecute anyone before Wednesday; they did not agree they wouldn't
prosecute on Thursday," said Hansen. "This is serious. This is a
law. You can go to jail for up to two years if you break it."
Is this decision a victory for the online community? "It's a victory
that the government won't prosecute for a week, but people in
cyberspace are at risk today in a way that print and magazine
publishers are not, so we can't claim a victory yet."
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Rod Parrott
|Sub: Re: Church\State
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:43f2 204f81e0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 1cd7a606
RP>they are taught that they came from monkeys, that there is no god, that
the
RP>ten commandments are fiction, hand out rubbers to them, take away any
moral
RP>teaching and then see what the state gets back----killers, rapers, robbers,
RP>gangs, and amoral homosexuals that want all of to believe they are normal.
Fuck you, moron.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: You watch your mouf...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:8f6e 204f81e0
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SA>-=> Quoting Jim Staal to David Worrell <=-
SA> JS> Treading on thin ice here, buster...abuse me all you may, but leave
SA> JS> the lovely Wilbur out of it.
SA> If she is so lovely, why do you call her "Wilbur"? If she has any
SA>sense of self-worth, why does she let you?
Maybe she's Wilbur when she's a she and she's Alice when she's a he...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: English lessons
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:1755 204f81e0
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SA>-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Zyad Allebban <=-
SA> JS> Nevermind David. He just hasn't learned to speak Engleesh yet. Some
SA> JS> day when the teacher of common decency whacks him up along side
the
SA> JS> head with the Funk and Wagnall's (average weight 12 lbs.) he may
SA> JS> learn...provided the trauma is severe enough.
SA> And how would you know the average weight of a book you do not use?
All he knows is he thinks it's some sort of Jew book...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: God's Word...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:a8ce 204f81e0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 789fd00d
SA>-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Preston Simpson <=-
SA> JS> (1 Tim 2:12 NIV) I do not permit a woman to teach or to have
SA> JS> authority over a man; she must be silent.
SA> PS> This appears to be Paul's opinion. Why is it valid?
SA> JS> It is in the book. I am an inerrantist. The book says:
^^^^^^^^^^^
SA> (snip)
See, he can't even spell 'idiot'...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Roland
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:e3b2 204f81e0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 262ff304
RO>I am a christain.. And i believe most of the Christian ideas. But i have
on
RO>question....
RO>In Genesis 1:24 God created all animals on the earth..and later that
day he
RO>created man. In his image...
However in Gen 2:15-19 it says the animals were created afterward...
perhaps you consider this a minor bungle...?
RO>But scientist have proven that there was 65 million years between the
death o
RO>the dinosaurs and the beginning of man....
So far, so good...
RO>Did God create dinosaurs at the same time as man? Or did God create
dinosaur
RO>before that, perhaps as his first try at a living world..then realize
that th
RO>dinosaurs were incapable of worshiping him and destroy them...Then 65
million
RO>years later create man.
Nobody 'created' man or dinosaurs. They are part of biological evol-
ution.
RO>If anyone has any answers to my question..or any ideas, please leave
a messag
RO>here in this echo for me...
You will get answers. You probably won't like them unless you're
willing to learn and think for yourself.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A tale of 2 cities...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:65a0 204f81e0
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JS> -=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
JS> ML> This "Holy Writ" also says that bats are birds.
JS> JS> Evidence to support this claim?
JS> ML> Your own big book of fairy tales: Leviticus 11:13, 19;
JS> ML> Deuteronomy 14:11, 18.
JS> ML> It does not. It says they ARE birds. Here's a zoological
JS> ML> news flash, you retard. Bats are mammals.
JS>Yea. but where does it say that the Bible says they aren't? That would
JS>be a contradiction. Just cause man choses to call them something else
JS>has no bearing on whether or not the Bible is correct in doing so...
You insipid moron, it is contradicting FACTS.
I am beginning to think you are a troll. Nobody could possibly
be as stupid as you appear to be.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:aea3 204f81e0
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JS> DC> Funny thing is, Jimbo, Preston has peers in this Echo. The only
JS> DC> 'peers' you have are your multiple personalities. All the other
JS> DC> xians seem to have written you off as a "not a true xian".
JS>Odd...no one seems to mention it to my face?
Because they don't care to look up your ass?
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Evidence!?
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:a0a5 204f81e0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org a8af877c
JS> JS> Why is it a lie?
JS> SS> Because the bible said a global flood occured and it DIDN'T,
JS> SS> knucklehead.
JS> Evidence to support this claim? And don't give me some runaround out
a
JS> science book either. I want firm evidence it didn't.
I have a notarized document, signed by you that you owe me
$100,000.00.
I also have witnesses who saw you sign it.
Pay up, welsher.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Women...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 16:15:00
EID:ebf5 204f81e0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org dbacd258
JS> LB> Out of curiousity, does your church also follow the NT injunction
JS> LB> regarding women not cutting their hair?
JS> No.
JS> LB> (No slam will be forthcoming
JS> LB> from me if it does. I just want to see how fully you all live by
JS> LB> obeying all the NT instructions, even when such don't have a pertinant
JS> LB> reason behind them for today)
JS> I don't know of any pertinant reason for the no cut gig, but I believe
JS> the reason given for the other is apparent...and valid.
Of course you do, being an ignorant, mysogynist salad-bar asshole.
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|From: Rodney Green
|To: Kerry Renaissance
|Sub: Very much alive!
|Date: 15 Feb 96 01:28:54
EID:a0c1 204f0b80
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-=> Quoting Kerry Renaissance to Rodney Green <=-
-=> Quoting Rodney Green to All <=-11 Feb 96 03:38:36
RG> Why debate about religion when we could talk about Jesus?
KR>
KR> Because we don't *want* to talk about Jesus, and that's why we're
KR> debating religion?
KR>
KR> He's dead, at any rate. Not much to talk about.
KR>
KR> - Kerry
Exactly what I expected to see from someone here. That's the problem
with "religion". It causes people to argue. You see, God is alive, Jesus
is very much alive in the hearts of TRUE believers everywhere. I'm certain
you have run into people who would not match your perception of what a
Christian should be, I have too. I regret that greatly. A stumbling block
that has and will cause unbelief in the only true joy and happiness, a
relationship with Jesus Christ, a personal God who cares about you.
- Rod
... Is it not possible that this book possess the truth, the only truth?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: animal abortions
|Date: 15 Feb 96 18:11:06
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Nature does not need us to care for it, Mickey. That is a delusion
RS> that comes from your dogma.
MH> This is the third time in four packets I've had this post. Are you
MH> spamming me on purpose, or is there a problem?
Thanks for not coming straight out and accusing me of spamming the `Smoke.
In fact, I have done no such thing. All logs state that this message was
exported _once_.
However, over the past several days I've seen many of my messages reposted
from another address with a different origin line. Mine was in the new
message body, and there system's was the actual origin line.
Make sure that the address below actually appears in the actual origin line
of my messages. These are the only valid ones as I normally only post from
my room. On occasion I may post from Styx's system which is in the same
net.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:28:51
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kenneth Mcabee mumbled "Hello!"
PS> And you seriously think that your attempts to get me to prove that there
PS> is no god would stand up in court? I'm laughing my ass off at you even
as
PS> I type this.
KM> As was I when I type this..... The only place that we can settle
KM> whether God exist or not, is in his court. And if he doesn't show up
And if his court doesn't exist...?
KM>> No it is in no way lying, obscuring the evidence of his existence,
KM>> maybe, but then the Bible does tell us to believe by Faith, not by
KM>> evidence.
PS> It's lying, Ken. It's saying that nothing happened when something did
PS> indeed happen. Face it. Your god is LYING.
KM> Nope, he's not. But let's examine this statement of yours, in order
Yes, he is. The situation is no different than if I were to murder someone
and hide all the evidence.
KM> for you to say that he (my god, the one you don't think exist) lying,
KM> you have to believe that he is in fact real. Are admitting that God
KM> does exist Preston?
No. I'm admitting that I believe he exists, which is not at all the same
thing. Of course, this admission is nothing new--I've never made any
secret about it.
PS> I have said nothing here that I have not said before, Ken. I cannot
prove
PS> that there is no god, just as you cannot prove that you are not a
PS> murderer, nor can I prove that I am not a rabid alcoholic. All that
either
PS> of us can do is provide evidence attesting to the veracity of a given
PS> statement. That by itself is not proof. Do you understand?
KM> Always have, so why do those in here keep asking us (Christians) for
KM> proof or evidence of God? Asking us to provide evidence of a being
I keep asking for evidence because of the simple fact that you're making
a claim and I'd like to see you substantiate it.
KM> that is more powerful than us, who can do absolutely anything, over
KM> whom we have no power over at all, is just as stupid. I can take it
Well, no. You're claiming that this invisible superfriend exists. I don't
see him. Why should I believe that he does? You've been insisting that
he exists and I still do not see any evidence to support your claim.
KM> one step further, since we (Christians) have been taught by the Bible
KM> that we believe, that even if one rose from the dead you would not
KM> believe, where is the logic in asking us to provide you with evidence
KM> that we already believe you will not believe? (Think it through you'll
KM> get it)
Look. You can believe what you like, but I'd appreciate not being
insulted by your insistence that what you believe is fact when you can't
substantiate it as such.
KM>> Evidence is not needed for eternal life Preston, Faith is.
PS> Are you finished dispensing evidence that you are so desperate to please
PS> your god that you'll ignore logic and reality?
KM> Logic? Let's see whose ignoring logic.
KM> Non-Christian - Provide us evidence.
KM> Christian - (reading) Luke 16:31 "And he said unto him, If they hear
KM> not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one
KM> rose from the dead." (thinking) So no matter what I tell them, if they
KM> won't believe the scriptures they won't believe. (explains this to
KM> Non-Christian)
KM> Non-Christian - bologna! I would too!
No. My first objection would be along the lines of, "The Bible has yet
to be shown to be a reliable and credible source of evidence of anything.
Until you can show that it is indeed such a source, please use another
source."
KM> Christian - (rereading Luke 16:31) Sorry, but the Bible which I
KM> believe and have faith in says you won't.
"But I say you won't, so nyah!" Sheesh. Do you realize how idiotic the
above statement sounds?
KM> The data on which a conclusion or judgement is based
KM> Something that indicates
KM> The documentary or verbal statements and material objects admissible
KM> as testimony in a court of law
KM> To indicate clearly
KM> To support by testimony
KM> Present and plainly visible
KM> (speaking) the Bible fits the definition of evidence.
Yes, it does. Unfortunately, it does not provide sufficient evidence. See,
the claim that a god of Judeo-Christian definition exists is a fairly
extraordinary claim. The Bible, unfortunately, is not a fairly extraordinary
piece of evidence supporting such a claim. This is especially true of
the flood debacle, which is claimed by the flood and not supported by simple
physical evidence.
KM> Non-Christian - So what, where's your evindence? not your book of
KM> fairy-tales.
KM> Christian - (rereading Luke 16:31, quotes it to non-Christian) Sorry,
KM> but no matter what I give you or show you, unless you first believe
KM> the scriptures you will not believe.
"Unless you first believe that there is a god, you can't believe that
there is a god." Do you know what a tautological statement is? You've
just made one, you know.
KM> Now tell me Preston, since I, a Christian, have a Bible which I
KM> believe, no matter how much you try to call it fairy tales and lies,
KM> that tells me that you won't believe even if one rose from the dead,
KM> logically, what do you expect me to give you as evidence, when I've
KM> been told, by the very book that I beleive, that you won't believe the
KM> evidence that I give?
In light of your stubborn refusal to have anything whatsoever to do with
reality, I hereby withdraw my request for evidence as it is blatantly
obvious that you wouldn't know what satisfactory evidence was if it bit
you.
Adieu.
... Don't try to scare an armed man. Success will get you a tombstone.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Andy Soell
|Sub: Hello, all!
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:28:51
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Andy Soell mumbled "Hello, all!"
AS> OK, I'm new here, so I thought I'd make a general introduction of
AS> myself.
Okay.
AS> From what I've seen scanning through the messages, many of you seem
AS> very cynical of christians....why? There seems to be a stereotype (at
Why indeed? A good question. Some Christians here are honorable, decent
folk that I wouldn't mind eating with. Some of them are willfully
ignorant, offensive types who insist that I must worship their god their
way or else. This strikes me as ludicrous and a bit silly.
Further, some of the more vocal Christians in this world are just like
the latter group, save that they wear more expensive clothes and reach
more people. I personally have no reason to be nice to people who think
that they can make me join their cult by assaulting me in their god's
name.
... What if there were no hypothetical questions?
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: God's word...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:28:52
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "God's word..."
PS>Not many people that I know of even knew that such a film existed.
PS>Hell, for a long time, *I* didn't know that it existed.
KDM> I know about it. Hell, it's even got a series of books.
I thought that the books came first, but of course, I could be mistaken.
... "That wasn't a demi-lich you just stepped on, was it?"
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Him
|Date: 15 Feb 96 14:14:53
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Lynda and David were killing time yakking about Him:
DW>> damn! My catty-bitch meter just exploded! > plastic out of my face>;)
LB> It was a JOKE, David! Didn't you see the smiley? ;)
DW> Nope, the CB meter exploded just before that point. I was too busy
DW> digging the pastic out of my skin to notice any smilies.
Well, that'll teach you not to buy cheap made-in-Taiwan products, won't
it!
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Do you want to make people's heads explode? Sure! We all do!"
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Light of the ass
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:35:47
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BJ> You are walking very close to the edge. You like to play with
BJ> danger, by twisting God's words.
I would also enjoy twisting your myth-gawd's head...if one ever existed.
BJ> I would not want to be in your shoes on Judgment day!
BJ> do something about that
Get smaller shoes, so they would fit your tiny feet.
BJ> Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you
BJ> I hope you take Peter's advise, Steve.
Take your own 'peter' out...for a good stretch. It needs it.
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|From: Steve Rose
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:37:06
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John Prewett wrote in a message to Norbert Sykes:
NS> [-----] And, talk about the niceness of Xtian families to one another,
NS> I guess the Inquisition was just a lovelypicnic in the park.
JP> I presume by "Xtian" you mean "CHRISTian."
How insulting that is to the letter "X".
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:19:14
EID:0bb0 204f9a60
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 62325e9c
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MG>> Do you have any evidence for design other than this wild
MG>> assed guess by some scientist?
AM> Yes.
Good. Let's see it.
AM> 1. Strong nuclear force constant
AM> 2. Weak nuclear force constant
AM> 3. Gravitational force constant
AM> 4. Electromagnetic force constant
[much deleted]
AM> 25. Ratio of mass of exotic matter to ordinary matter
I read through your material. You wasted your time typing it in. What
you have here is a collection of what ifs and so forth. Can you tell me
that if some of the parameters were changed that life would not exist?
Can you tell me that some form of life very foreign to our own would not
evolve and survive.
The answer is "No, you can't". Your stuff here is a collection of facts
that you want to act as evidence of a designer. In order to make these
evidence, you must show that they are the direct effect of a designer.
You must show us the designer.
AM> Before I draw any conclusions, let me quote a few scientists
AM> thoughts.
Let me quote another eminent scientist to you....
"Opinion on whether there is a god or not is nonsense. The facts of the
matter point to there being no god. but those that believe that a god must
exist must show the rest that that god does indeed exist. A polaroid of
the god would be nice. And a nice interview with the god admitting his
creation. Nothiung much else would matter."
---Martin Goldberg Ph.D.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:26:33
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SM> Like all other SECULARIST conservatives -- those who believe in
SM> personal freedom and personal responsibility -- you are taxed
SM> without representation. Neither political party would touch your
SM> politics with a ten-meter pole.
Being in politics means being elected. Taking a stand too far away form
the political mainstream is dangerous. However, there are a growing number
of people like myself that are tired of the Clingons and the Newts, the
Gramms, the Super Fundies and those that would prevent a person from going
to a church. Yet we don't believe that personal freedom is the end all
and be all of life either as they don't rate absolute status.
>> not believe tht all conservtives are Jesse Helms types or
>> David Duke types only because these clowns call themselves
>> conservative. It is not the same.
SM> But it IS such clowns as these who bear the exclusive
SM> representation of conservatism in modern America.
Sadly, this is true. A real conservative is hard to find.
SM> Because a great many of us, both of us included, realize that it
SM> is the very Christanic cults which constitute the Religious Reich
SM> which got us into most of the fiscal trouble we're in today.
I'm not sure about that, but then I've never bothered to think about it.
when I think of the religious right, I think of big time repression of everything
that they don't like, not fiscal policy.
SM> By demanding that all human life be preserved at all costs, the
SM> Christanic cults have caused modern America to be one of the
SM> most over-populated nations on Earth. Labor markets which
Overpopulated? I dunno. But when there are too many hookers and drug addicts
having kids when they are not allowed to obtain an abortion, then if there
is one unwatned birth, I would call that "one person too many".
SM> Said cults CANNOT be trusted to do what is needed to make
SM> laissez-faire free enterprise capitalism work. Unless and until
SM> we can restore a national position where there are more
SM> support-level paying jobs than people who need them, we're going
SM> to remain in the same kind of trouble we're in today.
We are still paying for Nam....still trying to convert to a true peace time
economy. but everytime we try to switch over and cut pet federal projects,
someone jups up and down if they lose their job. Like the people in Russia,
now realize, converting from one economic system to another is pure hell.
It doesn't come without some shit hitting the fan.
SM> And NEITHER party has been willing to face said reality yet.
Politicians never will. And there's damned few statesmen around.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:46:10
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS>I'm sorry but I don't share your delusions.
BJ> I have no delusions.
On the contrary, you do. You believe in superfriends. That's the same
as an adult still believing in Santa Claus.
BJ> I know the true.
No, you _believe_ it's true. You don't _know_ that it's true. Please seperate
rationality from emotional needs and wants. They are two different things.
BJ> If you would read his book
BJ> you would also know the true.
I have read the book you speak of. To me it's just like any other book
of that nature. Perhaps it contains some historical accounts and some nice
stories [not to mention the great sex scenes and the mass killings] but
I don'
take it as the word of some made up god.
BTW, you stated that it's `his' book. Hmmm, I never knew god had authored
it. It's not listed under `god' in the university's computerized library
index system that way. Do you think they might have made a mistake?
BJ> And the truth will set you free.
Then why have you sat your lazy ass down on a stale old book? Wouldn't
it be better to be always looking for answers instead of becoming smug with
the old ones as the world passes you by?
BJ> I
BJ> think you do care and are interested in God.
You are wrong. I am an atheist.
I do care about a lot of things in this world however, god isn't one of
them. It's my feeling that religion is a repressive system designed to
enslave the masses. It's a control thing.
Think about it. While I'm not religious, there are many people who consider
themselves religious. You don't need a church to be religious, you don't
need to give money to be religious. If you want to be religious you can
do that on your own.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:53:28
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Marilyn Burge wrote in a message to Sue Armstrong:
MB> That's only true in some parts of the US. We had the Willamette
MB> River rise to within a hair of flood stage yesterday, threatening
MB> the downtown businesses with severe water damage. People came from
MB> all over the city to the seawall to fill sandbags and place them so
MB> that the height of the seawall was, for all intents and
MB> purposes, raised about a foot or so, just to protect those
MB> inventories. Also, people crossed the Columbia River into
MB> Washington State to do the same for those downtown businesses in
MB> Vancouver, Washington. We ended up on the National News because of
MB> our neighborliness. Opening a door hardly raises an eyebrow in
MB> these-here parts. We are a city of over a million with a
MB> population that still thinks they live in a hicktown.
While I share your views of the wonderful way of life we have here in Oregon
I'd suggest you head way up north to British Columbia if you want see real
friendly people. The only exception to this is the anal retentive border
officials they have up there.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:54:50
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Judith Bandsma wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> the Republican in the race -- Gordon Smith, a devout Mormon.
JB> After seeing what just happened, I wonder what Styx will say to the
JB> following 2 words?
JB> PAT BUCHANAN
Even thought Styx and I share almost opposite views on most things political
from what I know of him he wouldn't go for that twit.
It is interesting to note that today I heard reports that some of Buchanan's
aides are rumored to be members of white power type groups. I'll have to
verify this, but it wouldn't suprise me a bit.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: 1 god
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:58:05
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Hector Plasmic:
BJ> You think of me as a foolish man because of my belief in the
BJ> bible and God Jesus Christ? If he doesn't exist why do so many
BJ> hate him then, or the people that follow his word?
You think of me as a foolish man because of me belief that Elvis is still
alive? If he's not, why do so many people keep seeing him and claiming that
he's alive.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: God's Word
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:58:44
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
BJ> Ryan if you would have taken the time yourself to read the bible
BJ> you would have found out that what this fellow wrote in that book
BJ> was false.
You are wrong. I have checked the quotes that I posted to you and they
are in the three versions of the Bible that I have in my various bookcases.
You are in serious denial. And that ain't a river in Egypt.
BJ> You are among many that quote his book with out doing
BJ> the research yourself.
Like I said above, I have done the research. Not only did I check the quotes
that were contained in the post I also have read most of the Bible [the
interesting bits at least].
BJ> I will not answer to it because I know it
BJ> to be false,
Classic fundy move. You are shown that there are many contradictions in
that damn book of yours and you start running with your hands on your ears
screaming `IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT!'
Enjoy.
BJ> God word is the truth case closed!
Obviously you have done little research, or thinking for that matter.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:02:28
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Brad Jackson wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
BJ> You ask for none bible evidence, and people tell me I think in
BJ> circles. Do you believe in Enstins theories? How do you know they
BJ> are correct?
They can be shown to be correct over and over again by various people.
BJ> If you were to answer, because I can put them to partice and see
BJ> the results. I would have to say try doing so with the bible and
BJ> see the results for yourself.
It's a god damned book for fuck's sake.
Wouldn't you think I was loony if I started quoting the word of some superfriend
out a book entitled `Why Cats Paint'?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:05:38
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Shelby Sherman wrote in a message to Preston Simpson:
PS> And they're succeeding. What was this nonsense about global warming?
SS> It's just as you characterized it, nonsense.
Really? Is it a conspiracy then? Don't tell me, the Twelve Jewish Scientists
are at it again. Fuck.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: 1 god plus 1 god plus
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:06:04
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Jose Gomez wrote in a message to Hector Plasmic:
JG> My friend, much of Bible history has been proven as well as
JG> archeologically supported.
The flood has not. Go back into your hole.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Zayd Allebban
|Sub: Hey you all
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:07:24
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Zayd Allebban wrote in a message to All:
ZA> Since I'm just getting started in this message writing stuff, I've
ZA> still got to get it under control. There is another net I am
ZA> involved in and I'm overloaded with messages there. So until I can
ZA> get that under control, I won't be writing here for a while...
Ask Allah for an offline message reader.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Glenda Stocks
|Sub: now I know why
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:30:23
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Glenda Stocks wrote in a message to All:
GS> Now I know why PART of the reason Spirit led me to make the changes
GS> that I am, which includes taking down my BBS, is this telecom law
GS> and its inherent crackdown on all telecommunications.
Are you a wimpering coward? Are you giving in to these fucknuts?
GS> We could see it coming in the latter months of 1995.
BTW, it _is_ 1996 now.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Eric Hendrix
|Sub: Christianity
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:33:55
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Eric Hendrix wrote in a message to All:
EH> now that I've said that, let me get started. Christianity relies
EH> on faith. Faith doesn't necessarily come from proof, but a feeling
EH> in the heart (symbolically, not physically!).
In laymen's terms, it's emotional. The main problem I see is when people
choose to use emotions in place of rational thought. Don't get me wrong,
there's a time and place for emotions but they should never replace rationality.
EH> Some, have faith in God and Jesus, some have faith in science,
There is no faith involved in science. Science is the process of describing
what happens. What happens is what happens, you can't change that.
EH> some still yet, have faith in other gods/deities. Science, to
EH> some degree, is very convincing. However, science, just like any
EH> other study or faith,
You are mistaken. Science relies on rational thought, not faith of any
sort.
EH> has it's short-comings. For example,
EH> science says there could be ghosts/super-natural beings. But,
EH> they can't *prove* it.
Wrong words. They have _yet_ to prove any such thing. Long ago science
didn't know anything about subatomic particles. Back then would it be smart
to say that science can _never_ prove that such things exist?
EH> for their own protection. Now, we have the theory of evolution.
EH> Although I don't know it very well, and don't care to, I have
EH> been told it's full of holes.
Interesting. You come out and admit that you are ignorant when it comes
to a certain scientific theory and then you even state that you are not
even interested in learning anything more about. Lastly you state that
you believe what someone else tells you without researching it yourself
or even questioning what they say. You let other people think for you.
That is very ignorant of you and won't get very far.
EH> it. Everyone worships *something*. The word "worship" doesn't
EH> necessarily mean, you get down on your hands and knees and pray to
EH> it. It simply means you hold that object/being as the most
EH> important thing in your life.
I don't worship a damn thing and never will. Even if I do end up finding
someone to spend the rest of my life with and love that person with everything
I have I will never worship that person. To worship her would put me at
a lower level and her at a higher one. I want an equal.
EH> computers, are too easy to tamper with. This one I know, since I am
EH> a programmer in 4 languages. Actually, I would think it would be
It's amazing to me that you can be a programmer, a job that requires the
use of extensive logic, and still believe in the stuff you do. You're a
living paradox.
EH> There is a belief as a part of Christianity, that I call "The
EH> Umbrella Effect". The order of responsibility, as well as
EH> authority, in a household goes like this. God/Jesus, the husband,
EH> the wife, then finally, the kids. In the umbrella effect, if the
You're a sick puppy. I bet you always make your wife to the dishes and
wipe your ass as well.
EH> I don't know if this has shed any light on other people's
EH> views, but I hope so. Christianity has been called a cult. Well,
EH> it is similar, only we don't go out and kill people. A cult, as I
EH> know it, only requires that you do *whatever* the leader
EH> requests.
You are mistaken. The Velvet Underground had quite a cult following but
I don't think everyone did everything Lou Reed told 'em too.
Consult a dictionary.
EH> In my case, God/Jesus is the leader and I WILL do
EH> whatever they request.
That makes you a slave. How does it feel to be a slave? How does it feel
to have your human spirit chained by your own view of the world?
EH> As far as that goes Atheism is actually,
EH> Satanism.
Utter bullshit. Please do not try to speak of things you know nothing about.
You have already demonstrated that you are willfully ignorant and not willing
to think for yourself. This simply puts the icing on the goat-damned cake.
EH> instant. Of course, our gov't has already made provisions for
EH> this, "just in case the Bible is true." They have made up stories
EH> of Hangar 13 (I think 13, don't remember the number for sure),
EH> where they supposedly have an alien's spaceship. Now, when the
EH> world ends, they have the excuse of "They were abducted by
EH> aliens!"...
Jesus.
Attention all `Smokers, we have another goat-damned quack on our hands.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Unofficial Holysmoke Pick Yer Poison List
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:14:18
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Don Martin wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
DM> Don MArtin atheist Lagers, porters and
DM> ales from small
DM> breweries
Do you have much in the way of craft brewers up in your neck of the woods?
I often brag about the fact that here in Oregon we have the largest concentration
of craft breweries and brewpubs. It often takes hours at the supermarket
to make up my mind. It's a great time to be a beer lover. :)
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: information
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:15:54
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
MH> Should there be hardcore pornography on broadcast television at 4
MH> in the afternoon?
MH> If you say no, then it would seem that you do condone some limits
MH> on free speech.
The broadcasters are private businesses. They can choose to restrict such
things if they want to.
However, I do realize that certain government agencies do make such restrictions.
In theory they are acting on some sort of consenus.
As for the freedom of speech issued involved in this...Pornographers are
not outlawed, thus they still have the freedom to express themselves.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: God's Word
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:18:58
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Jesse Jones wrote in a message to Alan Hess:
JJ> As frustrating as I know the idiocy evidenced in BJ's post
JJ> is, to suggest that King James deliberately mistranscribed or
JJ> omitted anything is ridiculous. Got *anything* to back that up?
It's a basic fact outlined in most Western Civilization courses. Have you
taken one of those lately?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: evidence
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:19:38
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> We have presented you with plenty of evidence. You just chose to
RS> _ignore_ it.
MH> 1. A half-truth. Christianity is based on the death AND
MH> RESURRECTION TO ETERNAL LIFE of its central figure.
Yet you fail to provide evidence of this. To my knowledge no human has
been dead, buried, and come back to life.
MH> 2. Tragically true, but demonstrably OPPOSED to the original core
MH> teachings of the faith. Atrocities perpetrated in the name of
MH> Christ are in clear violation of Christ's teachings.
Those people considered themselves Christians. We have to take their word
for it. I assume that you're Christian as well. I take your word for it.
In other words, it's not cut and dry. Someone could consider you unchristian
and you could consider someone else unchristian. Who's correct?
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: conformists
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:21:45
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to J.j. Hitt:
MH> Man: Why did you shave your head?
MH> Son: All my friends were doing it.
MH> Man: Why are you wearing ripped jeans?
MH> Son: It's the style.
MH> Man: Why did you pierce your nostril?
MH> Son: I saw it in a movie.
MH> Man: Why do you do these weird things?
MH> Son: To be different.
Yeah. He's got individuality, just like everyone else.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: The fire
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:27:32
EID:eefb 204fab60
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8548
AL SCHROEDER wrote in a message to ALL:
AS> Well, this is what I get for liking an echo called Holy
AS> SMOKE.... First off, I would like to thank Dave Worrell for
I'm happy that no one was hurt, and that your back in action here. Take
care of yourself, and your family.
:)
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:28:40
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John Prewett wrote in a message to Ryan Shaw:
RS> Second, if Smith was to go with the `Contract on America' and all of
RS> that Republican revolution bullshit as you said he stated he would he
RS> would be cutting federal student aid
JP> 1] EXACTLY [and cite source of information]
JP> HOW MUCH HAS REPUBLICAN SOUGHT TO DECREASE "federal student
JP> aid."
This is laughable, coming from you that is. You, the man that proclaims
that JFK is the antichrist and will come back to life [Did he ever actually
die?] asking for evidence.
That's a good one Prewett.
I'll allow you to enlighten yourself. Check the congressional record and
also check ftp.whitehouse.gov. I've seen it in both places, but I'm not
to sure about the exact address of the government ftp site.
Use Yahoo, `ya dumbass.
JP> 2] What is the Federal government gonna do when it can't
JP> even pay the INTEREST on all the money it has borrowed ?
Cut the fucking pork projects and the goat-damned inflated defense budget.
di you know we have a Navy base in Missouri!?
RS> and voting against environmental
RS> protection laws in order to directly aid big business [where he has
RS> personal interests].
JP> Crippling wicked old "big business" turns tax-payers
JP> intoformer tax-payers and/or welfare recipients.
I'm not talking about crippling big business at all. I'm talking about
making bug business act in a responsible manner while retaining the bottom
line. Without environmental laws there is _nothing_ to keep them from fucking
over the earth and only incentives [fatter profits] to do so.
There is a way to make money, and do it with responsibility.
JP> How much of that can the system take before going belly up ?
It wouldn't matter if we destroy the very environment that supports life
on earth.
JP> If people are starving, should they be allowed to eat a
JP> Spotted Owl ?
Go piss on an electric fence.
You obviously know little or nothing about the timber issue here in the
northwest. The spotted owl was obviously used by the environmentalist to
stop the cutting. There was no other way.
Again, with this issue there is a responsible solution. We don't need to
cut down so many trees. We can grow hemp to make paper and other products.
RS> To simply state it, I wouldn't be in school if it were not for such
RS> investments in me by the federal government. As it stands, after I
RS> pay for the remaining 3/4 of my tuition with my own money I live at
or
RS> below poverty standards.
JP> I'd miss you a lot , but, you might consider
JP> turning off the computer and getting a job.
I already hold down two of them. I'm in class about twelve hours a week.
About 36 additional hours a week are needed to learn something. In addition
to that I work a `real'job as a computer consultant for one of the university's
departments. In the summer I plan on not attending summer school. Instead
I will work 12 hour days, eight of which will be in construction for a local
school district, four of which will be for the university.
If you think I'm a leech, you can go fuck yourself.
RS> Check the Republican record for increasing defense spending, getting
RS> kickbacks from defense contractors, and giving out welfare to big
RS> business. After you are finished with that, look at the PORK in Newt
RS> Gingrich's home state.
JP> Watch a liberal congressman cry when they want to cut a
JP> military base in his district.
Styx and I were talking about Republicans. I was repsonding to what I thought
of as a inflated view of what Republicans are.
I don't subsribe to any political party. They both stink. The problem
is the Democans and the Republicrats.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: J.J. Hitt
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:39:41
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Don Martin wrote in a message to All:
DM> Today is Valentine's Day, and I see nothing in this
DM> mailbag from J.J. Hitt. You don't suppose that Assholmodeus' curse
DM> finally kicked in, do you?
It got to me. I had a date with traffic court and got fined not only for
driving faster than the posted limit but got fined $300 for not carrying
the current insurance slip in my car even though I have always driven insured
and I even proved to the judge that I was insured at the time I was pulled
over.
$300 is three months worth of insurance payments. The system is so stupid.
This all happened on Valentine's Day.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: atheist hypocrisy
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:43:17
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Michael Hardy wrote in a message to All:
MH> Several atheists have taken it upon themselves to berate
MH> Christians for using shareware offline readers for more than 30
MH> days without registering.
MH> Unless those atheists are hypocrites, they will come down equally
MH> hard on Frederick Leff.
You might as well start harassing me about it as well:
... This copy of GoatEd unregistered for 176,434,987,127 days.
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Hit list
|Date: 15 Feb 96 21:46:25
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Jim Staal wrote in a message to George Rudzinski:
JS> It hasn't worked for you. Why do you recommend it to someone else?
Couldn't resist could you Jimbo.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: FLOOD
|Date: 15 Feb 96 14:52:03
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 7545
Judith and John were killing time yakking about FLOOD:
JB> Isn't it strange that not *one* of those 500 witnesses seems to have
JB> been someone 'official' who would have at least mentioned it to
JB> someone in authority? And not one of those witnesses wrote anything
JB> about it themselves, or even had their name recorded as being a
JB> witness. Makes you wonder, don't it?
JP> Hmmmm,
JP> looks like God isn't particularly concerned
JP> with impressing "officials."
I believe by "official", Judith meant someone whose testimony made it into
scripture.
JP> Kinda like when God sent angles to shepherds to announce
JP> Messiah's birth,.... stead of sending them to the big shots.
But were they the right angles?
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... This is an unauthorized cybernetic announcement.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: EVIDENCE
|Date: 16 Feb 96 01:02:04
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Lynda and Michael were killing time yakking about EVIDENCE:
LB> Radioastronomers might get a bit poetic about the music of the
LB> universe. ;) I doubt American Bandstand would say "Good beat, easy to
LB> dance to", though. However, I'm sure you realize that the above is
LB> poetry and was never intended to be a suggestion that the heavens
LB> "speak" in any sort of literal way, right?
MH> Dan has never demonstrated any such ability to understand
MH> different types of written communication before; why should he start
MH> now?
I have faith! (G)
MH> Day after day they pour forth speech; night after
MH> night they display knowledge." Psalms 19:1-2
DC> Not ponly did they bug our on their concert deal, they seem to
DC> have backed out on the speaking engagement.
LB> Looks to me like a bit of Babylonian philosophy crept in after all --
LB> that's astrology talking!
MH> In the Psalms? How?
It wouldn't be an entirely unreasonable thought -- many of the Psalms were
written during Babylonian captivity. While the Hebrews made strong point
of
keeping culturally apart from their captors, it would have been EXTREMELY
difficult to utterly separate from the linguistic and metaphoric nuances
of
the dominant culture. But, no, I don't think they were actively looking
to
the skies for answers.
MH> I disagree. It seems to me this thought flows
MH> very naturally from the opening line about the glory of God -- they
MH> display God's knowledge, a nightly testimony to his creative power and
MH> imagination.
That's the way I've always seen it, as well -- but the image sort of leapt
out
reading the one passage on its own. And I've been reading up on the history
of astronomy (which has it's roots in astrological significance). The idea
of the night revealing "knowledge" (not just a reflection of God's glory)
is very astrological in tone. But it is equally likely that that turn of
phrase is yet another example of translation -- and Christians during the
Middle Ages were not so adamant in their refusal to seek clear signs from
God
via the stars as were the ancient Hebrews.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... This tagline utterly lacks class, but is very cute
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: RE: QUESTIONS? ABOUT _WH
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:44:03
EID:cc29 204f9d80
Whilst masticating on , AL SCHROEDER (1:116/3000)
wrote to HECTOR PLASMIC:
AS> You want to make a more bigoted statement? Or can you? Can anybody?
Saying
AS> such to a Moslem is equivelent to thinking every Christian is Torquemada.
AS> Not every Moslem is the Ayatollah Khomemi. Don't be so provincial.
Not every Muslim is Louis Farrakhan, either, which is fortunate, as Screwy
Louie is running around the sleazy parts of the Muslim Middle East telling
Khaddafi and whichever fanatic currently heads Iran that Muslims will bring
down the Great Satan, aka the U.S. Louie wants money from terrorist-sponsors
(who kill black Americans as well as white Americans) to help fund his Nation
of Islam cult.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Re: The Light
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:56:30
EID:04c0 204f9f00
Whilst masticating on , John Prewett (1:355/2.1012@fidonet)
wrote to Alan Hess:
AH>> Hebrew Scripture is the ONLY Scripture.
JP> Wonderful.
JP> Are you a believer in the God revealed in Hebrew scripture ?
I'm not a believer. However, the Original Testament is considered the Word
of God by believers - the add-on testaments are the words of men. As such,
they're no different than any other stories written by men.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Adolph Hitler (yawn)
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:00:18
EID:1ddb 204fa000
Whilst masticating on , John Prewett (1:355/2.1012@fidonet)
wrote to Alan Hess:
MH>> 3. Why would a Christian want the Bible replaced with his own book?
AH>> Ask the men who wrote Testament II, and replaced the Bible with it.
JP> "Replaced" ? Hmmmmmm,
JP> I've seen a lot of books combining Testaments I AND II.
So why don't Christians keep kosher, among other things? Because they wrote
a new book, and kept the parts they liked of the old one.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:02:14
EID:760d 204fa040
Whilst masticating on , John Prewett (1:355/2.1012@fidonet)
wrote to Alan Hess:
JP> Do you really believe Moses got the 10 commands from God ?
Nope.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Xtian Science?
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:02:50
EID:054b 204fa040
Whilst masticating on , John Prewett (1:355/2.1012@fidonet)
wrote to Alan Hess:
JP> You call it the "CHRISTian thing to do."
JP> The only consensus accepted written record we have of Christ,
JP> the NT, does not include such as the action you describe.
That hasn't stopped Christians from killing in the name of Christ.
JP> So why [other than mind-less anti-Christ bigotry]
No, mindless is killing people because a religious leader says "God wants
you to."
AH>> Speaking of Christian ways, have you ever read about how European
AH>> Christians were partlly responsible for the spread of the Black Death?
AH>> Seems they believed cats were Satanic, and killed every cat they saw.
AH>> Naturally, the rat population exploded, along with the rat fleas that
AH>> carried plague!
JP> You call it "CHRISTian ways," though the only consensus accepted
It was the position of Christian churches, which makes it "Christian ways."
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:09:02
EID:a8e5 204fa120
Whilst masticating on , Kenneth Mcabee (1:271/460)
wrote to Alan Hess:
AH>> Do you really believe this mythological fairy tale?
KM> Nope, do not believe in any mythological fairy tales. I do however,
believe
KM> in the Bible.
So you DO believe in mythological fairy tales.
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: HI, Staal
|Date: 15 Feb 96 20:10:20
EID:49d6 204fa140
Whilst masticating on , Kenneth Mcabee (1:271/460)
wrote to Alan Hess:
KM>>> How about Isaiah 45:5 "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there
is
KM>>> not God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"
AH>> You've just debunked the "Christ is God" school of thought. So
AH>> much for Christianity!
KM> Lord is Christ, Lord is God, same being.
Afraid not - according to the myth, God was in heaven while Jesus (allegedly
also God) was on earth. That makes TWO gods, and Isaiah 45:5 says there's
only one.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: An interesting situation.
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:20:11
EID:43ce 204e9a80
MSGID: 1:157/200 50020ccb
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
SUE ARMSTRONG spoke thusly to PRESTON SIMPSON:
SA> PS> Tip: If you're in the market for a new system, do not buy a
SA> PS> Packard Bell if you plan to expand it *at all*.
SA>
SA>I'll keep that in mind. What's wrong with P-B? I know I don't
SA>want a Compaq, since everything seems to be built-in (if I wanted
SA>something like that, I'd get an Amiga) ...
A better question is "What isn't wrong with Packard Bell?"
... Clippetyclop (frown) clippetyclop - Amish drive-by shunning
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Cashless society
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:25:12
EID:75f8 204e9b20
MSGID: 1:157/200 50020cdc
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
DAVID WORRELL spoke thusly to ALL :
DW>Dan Post finally answered the question, in CONSPRCY.
DW>
DW>06 Feb 96 14:33, Dan A. Post wrote to David Worrell:
DW>
DW> DW>> How did you know they had cliterectomies, Dan? Was it something
DW> DW>> like, "Oh, hi Mr. Cashregister Repairman! By the way, I've had
DW> DW>> a cliterectomy."? Explain it to me, Danny.
DW>
DW> DP> Do you not understand the signifigance of the 'dot' in the
DW> DP> centre of the forehead? My understanding is that this mark is
DW> DP> placed there following the procedure, and these women had this
DW> DP> mark. All you have to do is walk down the street of any major
DW> DP> city in North America (except maybe in the southern US), and you
DW> DP> will likely see someone with this mark in less than half an
DW> DP> hour. I already explained this, are you saying that this isn't
DW> DP> the case?
DW>I thought his answer would amuse some of you.
I liked JJ's response, ("It means the coffee's ready"), and his response
to that ("I don't understand...") myself. Like he's telling us
something we don't already know.
... Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Conformists
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:40:13
EID:b1f8 204e9d00
MSGID: 1:157/200 50020ced
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to J.J. HITT:
MH> JH> I can't see the appeal in it myself. While I am by no means a
MH> JH> conformist (ha! no one admits to being one) I do find there are
MH> JH> advantages to anonymity and the ability to fade into a crowd.
MH>
MH> I saw a comic strip -- may have been in Mad Magazine -- that really
MH> spoke to this. It's a middle-aged man talking to his teenaged son.
MH>(I don't recall the dialogue verbatim, but I can get the point
MH>across.)
MH> Man: Why did you shave your head?
MH> Son: All my friends were doing it.
MH> Man: Why are you wearing ripped jeans?
MH> Son: It's the style.
MH> Man: Why did you pierce your nostril?
MH> Son: I saw it in a movie.
MH> Man: Why do you do these weird things?
MH> Son: To be different.
Yeah, that was Mad. Dilbert did something similar.
Dogbert: I'm off to my new job as an MTV reporter.
D: Rap star Freshy Q, what is the secret to your success?
Freshy Q: Always be your self. Don't follow the crowd. Be true to
your instincts.
D: Did *you* invent rap?
FQ: Uh . . . no.
D: Oh, but you probably pioneered that style of dressing.
FQ: Not exactly.
D: But you write all your music.
FQ: No . . . I buy it.
D: The dance steps?
FQ: I hire a choreographer.
D: Well, I'll bet nobody else folds his arms quite like you.
FQ: I don't like the direction this is heading.
... Official member, DNRC. Individuals beware.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Countdown: one day left
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:41:14
EID:b15a 204e9d20
MSGID: 1:157/200 50020cfe
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to ASMODEUS :
JH> It is also Day TWENTY of Failed Satanic Curse Number TWO.
JH>
JH> Nothing has happened.
JH>
JH> You have only ONE day left in order to destroy me with your
JH> "magick" (on or before February 14th) in order to fulfill the
JH> conditions of Curse Number Three.
It was nice knowing you, JJ.
... The day I stopped learning is the day I die....
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: F=ma (every time) (unles
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:49:15
EID:3ff6 204e9e20
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PRESTON SIMPSON spoke thusly to DAVID WORRELL:
PS> PS> Yeah, it does warm the heart. Maybe we can all chip in and get
PS> PS> Fred a cutlass or a boarding pike too.
PS>
PS> DW>
PS> DW> Don't forget the black eyepatch and Jolly Roger.
PS>
PS>And a dagger that he can clench between his teeth.
And a rope. He'll need a rope to swing on.
... "Fundamentalism": The last refuge of the criminally inane.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Goodbye old friend
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:54:16
EID:5b13 204e9ec0
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RYAN SHAW spoke thusly to JUDITH BANDSMA:
RS>Judith Bandsma wrote in a message to All:
RS>
RS> JB> 1st Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States of
RS> JB> America
RS>
RS>While it bugs me that the fuckers in congress passed the bill and
RS>Clinton went on to sign it, things are being done about as I write.
RS>EFF and the ACLU are already readying to take it to court.
RS>
RS>In the meantime, practice civil disobedience and break the law as
RS>often as possible.
I'd disagree. Don't break the law just to break the law. Break it just
as often as you had before.
... If you can't refute a man's arguments, call him names.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Alan Hess
|Sub: Hey, zeus!
|Date: 14 Feb 96 19:58:17
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ALAN HESS spoke thusly to ALL :
AH>Thanks to the power of Zeus, the evil twins Paul Tagliabue and Jack
AH>Kent Cooke have been defeated, and the NFL has returned to Baltimore!
AH>
AH>Had the people in Cleveland obeyed Zeus, they'd still have a team.
Many of us don't give a shit.
... I know just enough to be dangerous!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: I,m still here
|Date: 14 Feb 96 20:17:18
EID:d225 204ea220
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SUE ARMSTRONG spoke thusly to SCOT BEAR:
SA> SB> that I am! [hehe]
SA>
SA>Oh, yeah? I challenge thee to a TACKY DUEL! Lava lamps at 10
SA>paces ..
Got one of them . . .
SA>I actually HAD one of those cat clocks with the swinging tails and
SA>moving eyes - and I _liked_ it!
I gave my chem teacher one of those . . . but he had an excuse.
... For the last time, don't exaggerate!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Mark staal the lump
|Date: 14 Feb 96 20:32:19
EID:d3e0 204ea400
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FREDRIC RICE spoke thusly to MARK STAAL:
FR>js> .....Buuurrrrr, I thought I felt a cold wind in
FR>here.....FRIGID....AIRE!
FR>Your hatred of women indicates a deep-seated lack of self worth, Jim.
FR>
FR>~*~
FR> your wrong, the Bible is
FR> FM.OVROverlay error: Overlay file has been corruptedUnable to
FR>open overlay file Insufficient memory for overlaysU
FR> ^&G&Wxz&G&WFV* 73_
FR> sv
FR> WWWWWW#X,X2X]
I haven't the slightest idea what this is, but I thought you might want
to see it.
... "I have a French monkey on my back. GET IT OFF!" - Leary
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Definitions for lumpy
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:09:20
EID:cdd3 204f9920
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FREDRIC RICE spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
FR>FR> Poor Linda. It's a shame to see someone as nice
FR>FR> as her suffer under the delusions of superstition.
FR>
FR>kdm> Fred, I'm pretty sure that *wasn't* Lynda.
FR>
FR>Lynda _did_ post the above, as I recall. Just because she's usually
FR>reasonable and rational doesn't mean that she's an atheist.
As she said. I know she's a Christian, it's just that she usually keeps
her beliefs and other related items private.
... "And to my cat Mittens I leave my entire, vast...BOOT TO THE HEAD!!"
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Gay gene
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:10:21
EID:1e58 204f9940
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SUE ARMSTRONG spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
SA> KDM> they decide to launch the toys. I wouldn't want to be
SA> KDM> responsible for the extinction of the human race.
SA>I don't think it would have made a lot of difference; Germany was
SA>more or less primed for a leader like Hitler in any event -
SA>someone who would "do something" about the econmic situation, the
SA>betrayal of Versailles, the endless elections, and even the "dirty
SA>Jews" who were blamed for most of these ills. Some other tyrant
SA>would likely have appeared instead; though the course of
SA>subsequent events might have been slightly different, the tragedy
SA>that was WWII likely would have went ahead, anyway.
Oh, agreed. As I said, that was a worst case scenario.
... Old virus detected, contact your hacker for an update.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:17:22
EID:89f1 204f9a20
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MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> MH> So what you're saying is, the eternal creator of the universe
MH> MH> should have no standards for his children? He should let
MH> MH>murderers and rapists waltz on into heaven if they want to?
MH>
MH> KDM> We weren't talking about rapists and murderers, Mike. We were
MH> KDM> talking about Worrell. Annoying as you may find him, I happen
MH> KDM> to consider him a good person, and, IMO, he doesn't deserve to
MH> KDM> go to hell simply because he doesn't believe in the god Jim
MH> KDM> believes in.
MH> In your opinion. However, you aren't a perfectly pure and holy God,
MH>to whom any sin, however small it may seem to us, is a greivous
MH>wrong.
Why? Here we hit the omnipotent bit again. Why is sin distasteful to
an omnipotent being? If it is, Jesus must be having some trying times.
It's very easy to say "Well, *I* don't think you're all that
MH>bad, considering." But you're a sinner like me, like anyone else.
MH>Many people can be good people in comparison to worse people. God
MH>doesn't want us to be good; he wants us to be *perfect.* Anything
MH>less is sin. God, being merciful, is willing to forgive any sin so
MH>long as you admit it is sin. But to say "I'm not all that bad. I
MH>have nothing to confess," is arrogance; it is to presume *your*
MH>judgment is wiser than God's.
True, but I don't have much of a choice; a human viewpoint is the only
one I've ever had.
MH> If David goes to hell, it won't be because of anything he did. It
MH>will be because he was arrogant enough to resent God's demand that
MH>he 'fess up to what he did.
Ah . . . we're straying from the topic, but I'm fairly sure David knows
when he does something wrong. He just doesn't feel he's offending a god
when he does so.
MH> I don't claim sainthood, but I'm a "good person" too, at least as
MH>much as Worrell is. Yet I would never presume that I am good enough
MH>to win God's favor on my own merit. God loves me, and died on a
MH>cross to save me; but I do need to be saved. I know I can't reach
MH> God's standard no matter how good I am.
MH>
MH> It's like this:
MH>
MH>Evil----Bad Folks---Most
MH>Folks---Saints----------------------------Good Satan Hitler
MH>Joe Average Ma Teresa God
MH> Even people who get as close to God as possible fall short of making
MH> it. "ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God," Paul says
MH>to the Romans.
Then isn't god being a bit uncompassionate? He's setting an impossible
standard.
MH> There's nothing wrong with being a fallen sinner; we all are.
MH> (Well, it's wrong, but also normal.) There IS something wrong with
MH> being too proud to admit it.
But where did we fall from? The perfection of Adam and Eve? If so,
aren't we being blamed for something we didn't do?
... Anything that is too stupid to be spoken can be sung.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Re: more dan a. post
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:20:23
EID:709c 204f9a80
MSGID: 1:157/200 50020d97
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J.J. HITT spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JH> KDM> Oh yeah? Well, don't tell anyone, but . . .
JH> KDM> I'm one of the Twelve Jewish Bankers.
JH>
JH> Great! Can I call you about a loan I'd like to take out?
I'd love to help you, but some moron snuck into Central Command at
Brussels and painted the Beast pink. We're going to have to get a new
Beast. Until then, I'm afraid we're going to have to close all banks.
However, I can make you a gread deal on a Beast Mark IX, a Packard Bell
286 with a 40 meg hard drive. (We use a lot of floppies in Brussels).
... The sweetest of all sounds is the voice of a woman in love.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Re: One God not three
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:38:00
EID:b860 204f9cc0
MSGID: 1:272/99 0016712a
(On 02-13-96 Brad Jackson replied to Brian Kolacy)
BJ>Hi Brian.
BJ> You are mistaken Brian if you think there are any more Gods
BJ>then Jesus.
BJ>Rev 1:8 (KJV)
BJ>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
BJ>which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Well, if your god was A to Z, I might just worship him...BTW, when did
Jesus learn Greek?
BJ>Don't be tricked by satan, Brian!
Well, I guess I've got the lines down for when I play Fundy on IRC...
BJ>Brad
BJ>ž CMPQwk #1.4ž UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
Thou shalt not steal...
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... You mean they eat their god?? Ewww, gross...
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: FLOOD
|Date: 15 Feb 96 19:38:00
EID:c256 204f9cc0
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(On 02-14-96 AL SCHROEDER replied to BRIAN KOLACY)
A S> BK> I diagree. Christ just had good PR. In fact, he could have
AS> BK> been a totally fictitious historical character. Like King
AS> BK> Arthur, for instance...
AS> Who really existed in the sixth century, Arthurius, dux bellorum, a
AS>sort of celtic commander-in-chief in times of war. Sir John Rhys,
AS>among others, has established it beyond reasonable doubt. True, his
AS>legendry got outrageous, and many of the source documents were
AS>written many centuries after the original happened, when you would
AS>expect additions to accrue. (Merlin,interestingly enough, appears to
AS>have been a poet who lived fifty years away from Arthur's time, in
AS>another court.)
Well, I stand corrected. Still, it works well as a comparison (if not
even better).
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... "Creationist nonsense" is redundant.
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