God Damned Fundies!
|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal wants to know.
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:10:38
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* On 06-02-97 at 18:48, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Staal wants to know." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Why not? You believe every lie Satan puts in your mind...
JS>..................RS> ---------------------------------
JS> RS> Wow! Look everyone. George Mooth's mental disease has spread.
JS> RS> Now Jim is saying everyone and everything is Say-tan-hic! :)
JS> Where did I say that?
It was underlined. You are stupid. You made a claim that Satan
controls my sentient functions, yet offer no proof.
George Mooth did the same thing.
In fact, most Christians who are being defeated in debate claim
that the opposition is controlled by "the lies of Satan" that
"Satan has put in their mind".
I'm always wondering why God doesn't put any truths in their mind
and make them win. Maybe it's because the God of the Christians
doesn't actually exist (neither does Satan, BTW) and hence it
comes down to sheer human and earthly debate skills.
On invalidation of the Bible, most Christians who've only ever
used the bible as a device to replace their brain (rather than
augment their life) crumble under the weight of having to think
for themselves.
You are at that point, Jim. Pray to Jesus all you like, but the
fact is that he doesn't provide to you what YOU CLAIM Satan
provides to me. Isn't Jesus benevolent enough?
Rod "...no... of course not" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus saves! Krishna invests! Cthulhu forcloses!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:15:40
EID:57e0 224e59e0
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* On 06-02-97 at 18:49, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Rod, I'm sure you have seen it before, but I will share a bit of
it, one
JS> JS> sinner to another:
JS> RS> I don't sin, Jim, remember?
[Jim quotes two biblical passages, proving again he has given up
all higher brain function in exchange for a decrepit, outdated,
and getting even-more irrelevant book. Praise Jesus, and Jim's
Free-Will(tm)]
Why don't YOU try answering the question, Jim, rather than your
irrelevant mythbook!
Rod "...or have you forgotten how to think for yourself?" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus died for our sins, so let's not disappoint him
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Bathroom Staal disease
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:18:42
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MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303d992
* On 06-02-97 at 18:52, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Bathroom Staal disease" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> Does your wife know about this fidelity? :)
JS> RS> You have edited my quote. I wrote INfidelity above...
JS> RS> STYXXXXX!!! :) :)
JS> No, you screwed up. Admit it. I changed nothing.
But where in your bible does it say that I didn't write
infidelity?
I refuse to deal with someone who is only sentient part of the
time, and only a bibliolatrous fool at others. :) It's because
I love you that I make you out to look like a moron! :)
JS> JS> Absolutely. I haven't been guilty of infedility for quite some time,
so
JS> JS> she is quite secure in the fact of my fidelity.
Most people I know think that infidelity once means infidelity
again. If you can be swayed once, you can be swayed again.
Then again, why would you want to leave your butch she-male
"Wilbur"? *guffaw!* :)
Rod "...she might garotte you, or guillotine your balls off, or
something even more erudite :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The only rational solution to your problem is suicide
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Ski Canada -- In the sum
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:18:44
EID:b683 224e5a40
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* On 01-02-97 at 17:56, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ski Canada -- In the sum" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Fredric Rice <=-
JB> RS> Rod "...'But America is the best nation in the world, you have
JB> RS> McDonald's in Australia!'... 'Australia is the best nation in the
JB> RS> world, you have kangaroos and koalas and emus in your zoos!' :)"
JB> RS> Swift :)
JB> Shouldn't that have been 'Australia is the best nation in the world,
JB> you have kangaroos in your McDonald's.'
Nothing wrong with kangaroo meat :)
Rod "...in fact, it is very nice" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * When in trouble or in doubt, run around, scream & shout!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Our Daily Jesus Penis Si
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:20:46
EID:2c14 224e5a80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303da0e
* On 01-02-97 at 18:13, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Jesus Penis Si" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Fredric Rice <=-
JB> RS> find more about how I'm an 'Australian homonazi', do a search of
JB> RS> http://www.altavista.digital.com/ for the name 'Fred Cherry'" Swift
:)
JB> Or look on my web page. I've got it linked on the last page...under
JB> dog piss.
Me? Or Fred Cherry? :) :)
Rod "...eheehehe :)" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * If this is reality I want a refund!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Gay Marriage?
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:24:48
EID:c010 224e5b00
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* On 01-02-97 at 18:26, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Gay Marriage?" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Barry Griefer <=-
JB> BG> All but immigration can be dealt with, without benefit of
JB> BG> government meddling.
JB> RS> Actually, immigration can also be granted with "government
JB> RS> meddling".
JB> That's the reason for the 'fiance(e) petition'. To move an individual
who
JB> would otherwise be subject to the quota system to the head of the list.
Yeah... Another special-rights-for-straights situation that
Jimson Staaaaaaal will obviously deny is governmental-mandated
discrimination :) :) :)
JB> You file the paperwork and pay the bond (a whole $25 when I filed to
JB> bring Leo here from Holland) and then you have 90 days from the time
the
JB> person arrives to get married. Take the marriage license to the INS
office
JB> and it's an automatic green card. A bit different than marrying just
to
JB> keep someone here. Using the fiance(e) route is easier and generates
less
JB> questions and hassle.
Yes. I know. However, it's still special rights for straights
:) Of course, with the passage of DOMA, even if Christopher and
I were able to marry, the fiance(e) visa program is eliminated
due to the definition of spouse in federal law.
If I wanted to ever decide to live there with him, we'd have to
go the other way.
Rod "...and have a costly legal battle" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a saviour out of this virgin!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: whining Al
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:25:50
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* On 01-02-97 at 18:36, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "whining Al" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> RS> Rod "...someone smacked his nose for doing is dirty business
JB> RS> then, and someone should do it now, so puppy learns" Swift :)
JB> No, Rod, the best method for training a puppy not to shit on the carpet
JB> is a rolled up newspaper. When you find the pile, you hit yourself over
JB> the head with the paper, repeating "I forgot to watch the dog, I forgot
JB> to watch the dog'.
But who was given the responsibility of watching the Al B?
Rod "...I don't get it!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Gawd was wrong?
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:26:52
EID:9a80 224e5b40
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* On 06-02-97 at 17:09, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Gawd was wrong?" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> RS> Rod "...and what is this sudden interest in my undergarments,
JB> RS> Judith, hmmm??? *wink*" Swift :)
JB> Just wondering if they were frilly enough for you to use as head covering
JB> while you mow the lawn.
And I have some land at this lovely estate in Arkansas to sell you.
:) Named Whitewater :)
Rod "... :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: Name alternatives to eternal nothingness
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:29:54
EID:803a 224e5ba0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303dc32
* On 07-02-97 at 00:34, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> RS> Patrick and Dale-Ann are down near Fondren, about 3 miles from
PH> RS> Fuzzy's. You should hear some of the things we've done to the
PH> RS> Scienos there :)
PH> PH> It'd be nice if J.J. could hear them from the staff
PH> PH> that were there on the
PH> PH> day I turned 40, but alas, they seem to have been RPFed. (They
could at
PH> PH> least pedal to the org -- beats running around a pole
PH> PH> all day, any time. :-)
PH> RS> RICE AND BEANS!!!! :) RPF for fun and prophet! :)
PH> Nah, just take 'em up to the Expo Center in Austin and we'll buy them
PH> alleged barbecue sandwiches during an Ice Bats game.
Urrrgh! :)
PH> I'm still slightly
PH> queasy from the stuff I ate up there -- last Sunday. Hey, if they're
PH> -really- clear, they won't get sick. Honest. :-)
Maybe we can get them a clam club sandwich :)
PH> PH> RS> Rod "...ahh, I remember the day they were photographing the
PH> PH> RS> licence plates of each and ever car in the carpark to try
and
PH> PH> RS> find out who we are :)" Swift ;)
PH> PH> Come to think of it, we may rent a car next time...
PH> RS> No... We'll catch a bus down :) I'm sure METRO would love to
be
PH> RS> accused as governmental conspirators :)
PH> They'd probably prefer that to having MayorBob nick their funds for
-his-
PH> pet projects, like building the Astros a new stadium downtown.
:) :) :) I think taking the Metro would be fun. I think the
attitudinal perceptions of bus drivers would help us escape the
clams. After all, on a clam-salary, they really can't afford a
bus fare after a week's worth of work :) :)
PH> PH> --PLH, how many free NOTS come with a car rental from Alamo?
PH> RS> NUTS! :)
PH> Of course, we -would- let the thetans make sure to fill up the tank
before
PH> we return the car...:-)
What octane thetans though?
PH> --PLH, volunteering to try to get Dead ElRon's GE hopelessly lost somewhere
PH> on Montrose...
Maybe we could attach his frozen head as a hood ornament :) :)
Rod "...and let it sear out in the Houston heat :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * "Bones! That, feels, wonderful, yes!" "It's head, Jim!"
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: alternative views
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:45:56
EID:bc5b 224e5da0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303dff4
* On 07-02-97 at 00:43, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "alternative views" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> RS> ROFL!!!!
PH> How could we *not* give our business to an entrepeneur who not only
makes
PH> the best *&^%$#@! pizza in Houston, in our opinion, but also is possessed
PH> of such basic common sense? :-)
:) :) BOC. And to be placed so prodigiously next to Clammy HQ :)
PH> PH> I'll have to dig it up when time permits at work.
PH> RS> Please do. I believe I'm SP4 at the moment, having received a
PH> RS> KKKobragram! :)
PH> Grrr. You lucky bastard. Some people have all the luck. (I guess
she
PH> figures too many people at Rice might laugh at her and her puppetmasters.
PH> :-)
:) :) BOC :)
PH> PH> The clams have reacted to my presence *or* something
PH> PH> I've posted, thus I'm
PH> PH> an SP 3, at present -- but that *&^%$#@! 'Ho never sent me any
e-mail
PH> PH> threatening me with legal action because I asked for a
PH> PH> legal copy of NOTS,
PH> PH> so I'm still striving to make SP 4, someday...
PH> RS> The 'Ho has sent me email ::) :) :) :)
PH> All right, so you've rubbed it in, already. Oy! :-)
Hheheehhe :)
PH> RS> I hope so too!
PH> RS> Rod "...and get punitives that can be enforced against them,
PH> RS> rather than them making a part of the church insolvent like in
PH> RS> the Wollersheim case" Swift :)
PH> We can always hope the Co$ has a little KEFE-like surprise awaiting
them
PH> here, just like the one in Greece last month...-that- would make my
day, I
PH> know.
Yes. Tony Bosnakoudis has been keeping the tangled-web list
up-to-date about that :) He heard sniffings of the
KEFE-clam-cull about 3-4 months ago, from memory :)
PH> --PLH, but then, what -would- Eugene Ingram do for a living? He's too
old
PH> to be a dancer at La Bare...:-)
Rod "...indeed!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death: to stop sinning suddenly
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:50:58
EID:803a 224e5e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e122
* On 07-02-97 at 00:49, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> RS> Ooooh... You mindless speed-demon :) I wonder if Racky knows
PH> RS> these routes :) :)
PH> I'm wondering if he hasn't taken the free "stress test" a few times
by now
PH> -- he's their kind of loony. :-)
:) :) But of course ;)
PH> PH> RS> As a matter of honour and respect, I don't disclose ages :)
Oh,
PH> PH> RS> except to Allen Newton, and only to rile him up :) :)
PH> PH> Let's just say that my next birthday will be of interest to
PH> PH> Douglas Adams fans. :-)
PH> RS> Yes. It's the answer :) :) My last birthday was the one for
PH> RS> dyslexic Adams' fans :)
PH> Let's see...Dale's next one (fortunately, still almost eleven months
away)
PH> will be one for dyslexic Beatles fans. (Think "When I'm..." :-)
ARRRGH. She can't be that old. She's so beautifully young! Or
has she been dabbling in the ol' Dick Clark gene sequences? :)
PH> PH> The way we have the crowd going this season, it could be done --
PH> PH> fortunately, the Solar Bears have made their three visits to town,
so
PH> PH> you're off the hook. :-)
PH> RS> Damn. :) We will have to fly you to Orlando :) :)
PH> We accept! (Hey, the Aeros are home the night before -- Feb. 22 --
so if
PH> anyone wants to foot the bill for a IAH-MCO flight on that short a notice,
PH> they have our blessings. :-)
:) :) Wish I could, but I have to fund a
PER-KUL-NRT-LAX-IAH-DFW-IAH-LAX-TPE-KUL-PER trip from time to
time.
PH> PH> --PLH, a six-by-eight foot Texas flag oughta do it...
PH> RS> No. A very large copy of the NOTS on a bedsheet should do... :)
:)
PH> RS> Rod "...then we can all be New Operating Thetans" Swift :)
PH> True, but -that- big a bedsheet should be enough to cover, oh, twice
the
PH> size of Gund Arena...oops, let me do that calculation again. Make that
PH> approximately the size of the nine northeasternmost counties in Ohio.
:-)
Oooh. But everyone could be clear, Patrick. Praise the dead
head of El Ron!
PH> --PLH, and just our luck, one or two of those four million will snore
:)
Northeastern Ohio that exciting huh? :) *guffaw*
Rod "...ho ho ho!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Balanced treatment.
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:56:00
EID:4e49 224e5f00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e250
* On 07-02-97 at 00:57, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Balanced treatment." in echo Holysmoke:
PH> PH> A*hem*. Dale and I are _Houstonians_. Houstonites
PH> PH> come down here from up
PH> PH> north. Houstonians grow from the ground up. (Or something like
that.)
PH> RS> Oh, right... :) So, what does that make Dakotans? *wink*
PH> PH> I don't know, but considering Dale's family, I don't think I
PH> PH> want to find out, either. :-)
PH> RS> Oh, ho ho ho! *waves to Dale*
PH> I knew I had a good reason for answering this while she's down the street
PH> at the mall. :-)
Yes. But maybe, just maybe, if I keep quoting it she'll see it
:) :)
PH> PH> Just muddling through the usual routines, while
PH> PH> awaiting the arrival of our
PH> PH> first grandson -- any day now...
PH> RS> Oh my. Squeezing out another grandchild :) :) Soon you will be
PH> RS> constantly travelling 'up north' to see them.
PH> RS> That is, they will be forcing the rerouting of funding from
PH> RS> essential out-of-state Aeros fandom travel to family travel.
PH> RS> SACRILEGE :)
PH> Well, we wouldn't have that problem if the IHL would put a franchise
back
PH> in Minnesota...but since that exchange, we're now grandparents twice
over,
PH> with the arrival of Sean Christopher Buskol into the world on Friday,
1997
PH> January 24, at 11:37 CST, at McKennan Hospital in Sioux Falls, SD.
He
PH> weighed in at 4.2 kilos (or 94 pounds for you mossback traditionalists)
and
PH> 53.33 centimeters in length (or 21 inches). He's home now, and a certain
PH> big sister of his is just slightly jealous. :-)
Oh... Right :) :)
PH> PH> --PLH, it beats the -20C up in Dale's old neighborhood...
PH> RS> Oh, I think that'd be nice :)
PH> RS> Rod "...it's boiling and 44C today" Swift :)
PH> Could you send some more of that this way, please? It's 10 and preparing
PH> to rain heavily here...bleck.
No. Please, I'd just rather be there. I like cold. I wear
shorts in snow.
PH> RS> * OLX 2.1 TD * If you choke a Smurf, what colour does it turn?
PH> I don't know...I'm still trying to figure out what the greatest thing
was
PH> -before- there was sliced bread. :-)
Why, of course, it was sliced heads.... Just remember one word:
Bastille! :)
Rod "...slice!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Time is an illusion of the manufacturers of space
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: the promise keepers
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:04:02
EID:4be4 224e6080
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e432
* On 04-02-97 at 23:46, DAVE HAMILTON wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "the promise keepers" in echo Holysmoke:
DH> About a message of Jim Staal to Rod Swift:
DH> JS> You are merely a blatant liar evidencing only his own ignorance
and
DH> JS> penchant for shooting of his mouth with nothing to back it up with,
DH> JS> fact-wise.
DH> You have just provided the job description of any ordained minister.
I thought it was pot-kettle-black on behalf of Jimson :)
Rod "...hehehe" Swift ;)
* OLX 2.1 TD * And God said: E = +mv} - Ze}/r... and there *was* light!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: A "Swiftie"!
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:07:04
EID:f7db 224e60e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e4e8
* On 05-02-97 at 11:59, JAN DEBOER wrote to LAURIE APPLETON,
on the topic of "A "Swiftie"!" in echo Holysmoke:
JD> On 04 Feb 97 11:46:02 Laurie Appleton wrote to Jim Staal...
JD> LA> Thanks for letting me know. Some evolutionists seem to go
JD> LA> to almost any lengths to mislead and deceive as they
JD> LA> desperately try to take as many as they can to Hell with
JD> LA> them!
JD> But none can top the deception of LIAR LAURIE when he claims to have
JD> stolled around Mt. St. Helens with "former President Harry Truman" a
JD> decade AFTER Truman died.
Do you have a copy of this post, please.
Rod
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:09:06
EID:33f6 224e6120
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e562
* On 05-02-97 at 14:17, JIM STAAL wrote to JAN DEBOER,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> Jd> Neither do you. You never met Jesus, (unless you hallucinate),
and all
JS> Jd> the 'accounts' of him are third-hand (or worse) gossip.
JS> Jd> THere isn't a shred of evidence such a person ever existed, but
plenty
JS> Jd> of evidence for the plagiarization of the 'legend'.
JS> Ahh...spoken as one who has not felt/experienced the touch of God.
Does that involve the priest buttfucking someone, Jim, to make
them *EXPERIENCE* the *TOUCH* of God??
JS> I _have_ met Jesus in a spiritual sense and He lives within me via His
JS> Holy Spirit.
Ah, your priest never used a condom. That explains it.
Rod "...someone, please, do the task of felching Jimson!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Accept Jesus as my Saviour? Why, that'd be selfish!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:10:08
EID:f601 224e6140
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e5a0
* On 05-02-97 at 14:18, JIM STAAL wrote to KAREN DAVIS,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (03 Feb 97) Karen Davis wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> KD> On (30 Jan 97) Jim Staal wrote to Rod Swift...
JS> JS> Perjorative is a noun.
JS> KD> Not according to Websters [which spells it without any r's, BTW]
It is
JS> KD> defined FIRST as an adjective.
JS> I'll agree with your account of the spelling (I just copied it from
his post
That's strange. I was waiting for the spelling correction, after
your claims of an English "major" :) :)
JS> Now lessee (where are those glasses...hmmm...oh well, here is other
JS> pair) my New Lexicon Webster's Dictionary shows it both ways, with the
JS> adj. form first as well (they list in alphabetical order, after all)
so
JS> he wins one. (stinkeeng chair is crooked now...)
:) :) Of course, pejorative is both a noun and a verb :) I
suppose that is because I have an English major from a recognised
university. Oh, and I have a degree to prove it :)
Rod "http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~rod/sub/curtin.html" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rutabaga: Lord of the vegies
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: A "Swiftie"!
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:12:10
EID:1f46 224e6180
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e61a
* On 05-02-97 at 14:23, JIM STAAL wrote to LAURIE APPLETON,
on the topic of "A "Swiftie"!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift
JS> JS> masquerading as you and then directing me to a web site
JS> JS> showing him smooching on his boyfriend!?
JS> LA> Thanks for letting me know.
JS> No prob. We have to look out for each other, you know. :)
Of course, the false witness about "smooching boyfriend" is yet
to be eradicated. Why are you lying, Jimbozo?
JS> LA> Rod seems to be infected with might be called
JS> LA> "Theophobia"
JS> This. This is most evident on IRC.
You were the one that was sucked into believing I was Laurie.
Sounds like you're bitter that you're such a sucker.
Rod "...Mommy, I want a 'Spank me, Jimbozo' doll for Christmas!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * 1-900-666-0666: Live beasts, one-on-one-pacts, call now!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Heat [1/2] A
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:17:12
EID:71de 224e6220
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e748
* On 04-02-97 at 15:43, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ANDREW MASTEN,
on the topic of "Heat [1/2] A" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> RS> In fact, we've never had a Christian provide a point-by-point
RS> RS> summary of the theory with a list of major evidentiary points,
RS> RS> yet. Care to do that for us?
RS> AM> Who's us Rod? Do you have a fan club?
RS> He certainly does, as well as colleagues, etc., here . . .
RS> why, are you writing a book?
:) :) You are precognitive :) I didn't even answer the fact
that I actually have a real life fan club from my work in radio :)
RS> am> I have been posting on this board for over a year and
RS> am> have on several occasions provided a summary as well as
RS> am> evidentiary points. However I would be happy to
RS> am> reiterate if, in rebuttal, you would be willing to
RS> am> summarize and provide evidentiary points for your
RS> am> conclusion that mechanistic forces alone can account for
RS> am> the appearence of the universe and the arrival of man.
RS> You are aware that the two are not necessarily synonymous,
RS> aren't you? What about what else he asked for: evidence,
RS> AND a summary of the theory behind it?
Yes, of course, he tried to detract from the point...
RS> am> 1. Scientists think the universe started from a
RS> am> explosion of a singularity in an event known as the big
RS> am> bang. At the moment of this big bang time and the laws
RS> am> of physics came into existence.
RS> The then term `moment' is inaccurate, isn't it?
Of course. When talking about the non-existence of time, we must
always use terms rooted in temporality :)
RS> am> 2. There are at least 25 known constants in the universe
RS> am> necessary for life as we know it
RS> There's the operative wording: AS WE KNOW IT. BTW, where
RS> did you originally get this list . . . I'd like to go and do
RS> some supplimental reading by the author of it.
As with all creationist claptrap, it's probably unsourced, or
misleading :)
Rod "...but what can you expect from a duplicitous, moronic,
science-bastardising Christer!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Homophobia: the fear obvious to all but the homophobe!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:23:14
EID:8fee 224e62e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e8b2
* On 03-02-97 at 21:26, NORMAN SOLOMON wrote to DOMINO,
on the topic of "Black lipstick" in echo Holysmoke:
NS> RS> Yeah, well, blame the Christers for destroying public
NS> RS> education... and their Republican't colleagues :)
NS> Do> I have no problem with Christianity. I have no problem with many
NS> Do> Christians. It's ignorant hyporcritical wannabe Christians who
think
NS> Do> theyre gonna get into Heaven for passing their unsolicited sinful
NS> Do> judgement on me that I have a problem with.
NS> A voice of reason in this echo, what a very pleasent change.
NS> Despite Rod's invitation to join the "lets blame the Christers" you
remain
NS> your own person, and speak as you find, rather than adopt what passes
for
NS> a warped version of "PC" by some posters in this echo.
Strange. I clearly laid blame at the Republicans, and the
fundamentalist religious political extremists Christians for
which they puppet...er...stand for :)
I have an in-principle statement of belief that says that I will
call religious fundamentalist political extremist bigots
"Christians" so that real Christians finally have some guts to
stand up and take back Christianity from those who are hijacking
it. I'm sorry if it offends you, but it's not me that is causing
the offense, just the realisation of it :)
NS> On this side of the pond the outragous behaviour of U.S. "christians"
is
NS> reported with total unbelief, if only a tiny fraction of what I have
been
NS> reading in here is true you have some very severe problems with fundies.
Yes, they are problems. Didn't you read about the woman in
Georgia who tried to kill her sister so that the exorcism could
be complete?
NS> You mentioned that you lived in the "buckle" of the "BabbleBelt"
and
NS> as you seem to have an open mind, I would be very interested to hear
an
NS> unbiosed view of what is really going on over there.
----
I also love an opinion that is not computer-borne! :)
NS> Who are these "christians" who are producing such fear (expressed as
hatred)
NS> in your nation? What exactly are "they" doing?
Besides killing people and oppression of rights?
Rod "...I'm sure there are more reasons!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't just do something!!! Stand there!!!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:27:16
EID:fa62 224e6360
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303e9a4
* On 05-02-97 at 22:25, RICHARD SMITH wrote to KEN YOUNG,
on the topic of "Cracker Barrel boycott" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> ky> Also, because I realize it is an unnatural lifestle,
RS> ky> that was never meant to be.
RS> RS> Nice homophobe reaction . . .
RS> ky> Wondered how long before we got to this one..
RS> I take it that you have evidence that it is an unnatural
RS> lifestyle, Ken. You DO, don't you?
Because his bible says so. Isn't it obvious that, in itself, is
*evidence*??? haahahah
RS> ... I don't hate homosexuals. I don't even know any homosexuals. - J.Helms
Did you know one of his staffer's sons was gay, and he sent her a
nice message about how he deserves to die and burn in hell.
She started a group of mothers who were working against getting
Jesse thrown out of the Senate in 1996. It failed.... They've
not given up.
Rod "... third time lucky, in 2002." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then GET ONE and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MINE!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:29:18
EID:b6ab 224e63a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ea1e
* On 05-02-97 at 14:06, JIM STAAL wrote to DAVE HAMILTON,
on the topic of "Pedophile Christian cooks" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> DH> I personally don't accept claims that either home schooling or
JS> DH> parochial schooling comes even close to matching the standards
JS> DH> of the pathetic public systems. If you have any evidence to the
JS> DH> contrary, I'll be happy to hear it.
JS> Home schooling is a scourge and a copout and the results, IMHO, are
JS> social and intellectual dwarfs.
You failed to preface your comment, Jim, with:
"Speaking from experience..."
Rod "...eh?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rutabaga: Lord of the vegies
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nick Ravenwood
|Sub: Our Daily Slave
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:32:20
EID:624a 224e6400
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ead4
* On 05-02-97 at 19:20, NICK RAVENWOOD wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "Our Daily Slave" in echo Holysmoke:
NR> MG> And people like yourself that are in denial. Just come
NR> MG> out of the closet. There are a number of gay people
NR> MG> that post here. It's nothing to be shamed about.
NR> Well, I am NOT one of them thank you, so keep your gay
NR> sympathizing comments to yourself. Those people can rot
NR> for all I care.
The good thing, being a discriminate and tasteful gay person, is
that for people like you, moronic pee-pee, I'd not want to know
you, or boink you.
I'd rather stick a stick of dynamite up your butt and light the
fuse...
...because it's the only way you're going to get fucked this
year, moron!
Rod "...and oh boy, will you be fucked :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ayesha Williams
|Sub: Conversion
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:33:22
EID:c1a5 224e6420
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303eb12
* On 07-02-97 at 14:54, AYESHA WILLIAMS wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Conversion" in echo Holysmoke:
AW> Why is it that it seems that every Christian church is
AW> trying to convert the whole world?
Because they are self-serving, idiotic bastards in the search of
only two things:
POWER and MONEY
Rod "...and they do it by offering food to the third world, while
grabbing power in the third world, so that they may reap
dictatorial control over people whom they debase the religion of" Swift
:(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Commit the oldest sins the newest kind of ways
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:36:24
EID:96f9 224e6480
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ebc8
* On 06-02-97 at 12:29, DAN CEPPA wrote to LAURIE APPLETON,
on the topic of "Bacteria and Evolution." in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 04 Feb 97 06:46:50, Laurie Appleton got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> DC> Should a meteorite fall on your head, you won't
DC> DC> reproduce. It's a simple as that.
DC> LA> Too late.
DC> Such a pity. The world is a farsadder place knowing that.
DC> LA> Velikovsky, 1956, page 6)
DC> You're and idiot, Laurie.
DC> Why not talk about your first hand experiences in walking
DC> around Mt St Helens with President Truman.
If you have this post, I'd like to see it and save it in my
archives of Laurie's most stupid lies :)
Rod "hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * That tagline is *true* ---> <--- That tagline is *false*
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Joke
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:43:26
EID:00bc 224e6560
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ed6e
* On 30-01-97 at 08:03, DAVID RICE wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Joke" in echo Holysmoke:
DR> What is the difference between J.F. Kennedy and Nicole Brown?
DR> We aren't 100% certain who killed JFK.
Come on. Of course we do. It was Janet Reno with one of her
TANKS! :) She was driving them up to Dallas from Waco, where
she'd just secretly eliminated another of the hundred of
legitimate non-maniacal normal Christian people.
Rod "... I used normal and Christian in a sentence. That means
someone has to spank me now, and I must *not* enjoy it" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * That tagline is *true* ---> <--- That tagline is *false*
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:48:28
EID:bca6 224e6600
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ee9c
* On 01-02-97 at 19:22, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ED MILLS,
on the topic of "Personal jabs" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> ML> 8.73289174129: the cube root of the Beast
FR> ML> 89.9139703657: the arctangent of the Beast
FR> ML> 999...the Number of the Beast in Australia.
FR> em> 666F: oven temperature for Roast Beast.
FR> em> 25 or 666 to 4: Chicago tune of the Beast.
FR> em> Phillips 666: gas station of the Beast.
FR> I get my kicks on Route 666 -- the Road of the Beast
Isn't that in New Mexico...
Rod "...and the Christers want to change the road number because
of their Goat-damned superstition" Swift :( :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Atheist: a person with no invisible means of support
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:51:30
EID:ff08 224e6660
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303ef52
* On 06-02-97 at 18:08, JIM STAAL wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "jesus needed..." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> ... Get thee behind me, Satan. - Matthew 16:23
First, in another post, Jimson claims that Satan is putting lies
in my mind.
Now he wants Satan behind him.
Rod "... I'm just wondering when he will bend over and drop his
pants. Maybe his usual pastor is not putting out at the moment.
I dunno... *shrug*" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Partial Virgin a little
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:54:32
EID:4986 224e66c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303f008
* On 04-02-97 at 10:07, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to DAVE HAMILTON,
on the topic of "Partial Virgin a little p" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Dave Hamilton spoke thusly to Jan Deboer <=-
JB> DH> I think that from Al's POV, all xtians are defined by his conclusions.
JB> We are seeing more and more that from Al's POV, all PEOPLE are defined
JB> by his conclusions, not just xians or other religious people.
AMEN! It needed to be said. I'm tired of his sanctimonious and
judgemental bullshit in regard to *my* life and his
presumptiveness to claim that he knows best for it.
Rod "...what a fucking moron he is!" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Person+delusion=psychosis. People+delusion=religion.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 14 Feb 97 12:56:34
EID:3caa 224e6700
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 3303f082
* On 04-02-97 at 17:03, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to DAVID WORRELL,
on the topic of "Cracker Barrel boycott" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> KY> And how many cases of torture, rape and murder, can you think of
JB> KY> lately, that occurred in the name of Christianity?
JB> DW> blacks were beaten (sometimes to death) just 30 years ago in the
South
JB> DW> by your brethren in the sheets?
JB> Two people were just convicted here in Charleston of 'lynching'. They
JB> tied a black 11 year old to a tree, beat him with a belt, shot off a
JB> shotgun next to him and threatened him with death.
JB> They were trying to scare the 'devil' out of him. (They were white)
Another story hot off the wire on 11 Feb 97. A woman in Georgia
is up on charges of aggravated physical assault after her church
instructed her that she had authority to exorcise her sister.
She believed that she had to kill her so she could be resurrected
before this Sunday. The woman is behind bars and undergoing
psychiatric assessment.
Rod "...if a few more were behind there, it might be a better
place, this world" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bigots: those who confuse personal tastes with morality
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Michael Gothreau
|To: Nick Ravenwood
|Sub: Becke, slave to satan
|Date: 13 Feb 97 19:33:53
EID:456b 224d9c20
MSGID: 1:134/67.6 943744fa
REPLY: 1:365/200.0 33012aa8
*In reference to a post left by Nick Ravenwood on 11 Feb 97...
* Addressed to David Worrell
* ***********************************************************
Greetings Nick, and may this find you well and in good health...
DW> Wednesday February 05 1997 19:23, Nick Ravenwood wrote to
DW> David Worrell:
NR> I never lied about it,
DW> Still lying, Nickie?
NR> Sure, to those who deserve it.
ROFLMAO! Lessee... you are a coward, a liar and an imbecile...
Thanks for the entertainment, clown...
...passages...
Michael Gothreau (gothreau@direct.ca)
if... productions
... 666i: BMW of the Beast.
--- PPoint 2.02
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|From: Michael Gothreau
|To: Nick Ravenwood
|Sub: Our Daily Slave
|Date: 13 Feb 97 19:41:20
EID:205d 224d9d20
MSGID: 1:134/67.6 4645a4c3
REPLY: 1:365/200.0 33012ad2
*In reference to a post left by Nick Ravenwood on 11 Feb 97...
* Addressed to Martin Goldberg
* ***********************************************************
Greetings Nick, and may this find you well and in good health...
MG> You only hate gay people because you hate the fact that you
MG> know that you are really gay. Face up to it, Lad and you'll
MG> sleep better.
NR> Sorry to burst your gay-sympathizing bubble, but I have a
NR> girlfriend. If men are what YOU desire, please keep your
NR> opinions to yourself because they aren't appreciated by the
NR> likes of unsympathizing heterosexuals like myself.
Had you truly been secure in your alleged hetrosexuality, then you
would have not felt compelled to cry out so with your "is not".
So, you've only revealled yet another lie. Girlfriend, indeed!
You are so pathetic...
...passages...
Michael Gothreau (gothreau@direct.ca)
if... productions
... 666i: BMW of the Beast.
--- PPoint 2.02
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Fundies B
|Date: 13 Feb 97 19:26:00
EID:d81e 224d9b40
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 32ff8e11
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3303b118
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to Richard Smith about Fundies B:
dr> You are a liar.
RS> And you suck off men at the Greyhound bus station.
DM> I think it more likely that he sucks off greyhounds
DM> whenever he gets out of the sight of men, but only
DM> their vet can know for sure.
And I bet he's never told Reesa.
... The mark of the Beast: >
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Say what?
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:21:02
EID:186e 224db2a0
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 32ff8e12
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3303da1e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to Richard Smith about Say what?:
RS> I'll be you a dollar that Mr. Martin has NEVER
RS> challenged
dr> So what?
RS> So it proves you wrong in what you were asserting.
RS> you to PROVE your belief. AAMOF, I'm sure that
RS> Mr. Martin is already sure of your belief. What
RS> he doubts is the reality of it. BTW, didn't you
RS> leave a bit out of the
dr> Doubts? But you said earlier that he was convinced.
RS> If you can show me where I said that Mr. Martin was
RS> absolutely convinced of the veracity of your
RS> beliefs, I will apologize. BUT, if you can't, you
RS> are a fucking liar, and everyone here will be able
RS> to see that.
RS> David Ragland apparently thinks that I told him that you
RS> were convinced of the truth of his beliefs. Now he'll say
RS> that I'm denying it, and that I'm a liar. You have known me
RS> here for almost a year now . . . I leave it to you as to
RS> whether I made that kind of statement in regards to
RS> yourself.
DM> I have read the exchange as well as some other effusions
DM> from the ragland keyboard: this loon is apparently evem
DM> more bent on demonstrating his imbecility than he is his
DM> faith.
Oddly enough, he shouldn't have to try very hard at all.
DM> While I cannot say categorically that you never
DM> said I was convinced of the truth of this twit's beliefs
DM> (impossibility of proving a negative and all that),
Understood.
DM> I _can_ state categorically that I would be bloody
DM> astonished to find that you _had_ said such a thing
DM> about me or about any other regular of sound mind on
DM> the echo.
That was pretty much how I thought you'd react.
DM> Now, I may be convinced that he truly believes this
DM> crap, but that is not quite the same thing as being
DM> convinced of the truth of the belief. Actually I _am_
DM> convinced of the genuineness of his belief--I have
DM> maintained often enough right here that I do not believe
DM> fundies to be lying. Nor do I believe psychotics tell
DM> lies when they relate what their voices have to say
DM> about the O.J. Simpson trial.
Yep. All this I tried to explain to him. Apparently, he
has a reading comprehension problem. There are times where
I feel that it's more intelligent to talk to my dictionary
than to Mssr. Ragland.
... As it turns out, I am actually "that" stupid. -- David Ragland
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Rice
|Sub: R Daily Xtian Persecutio
|Date: 14 Feb 97 18:30:04
EID:6364 224e93c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3304f57c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Rice said to Richard Smith about R Daily Xtian Persecutio:
> Well, religious zealotry and bigotry have hit the Pagan
> community here locally again. One of the members of our
> group was the unhappy recipient of a home search by police,
> etc., the other night. They were, obstensibly, looking for
> stuff to put her husband (a Mormon, I should point out, that
> apparently believes in the old fashioned Xtian ethic: beat
> the shit out of your wife every chance you get) away on.
DR> No names; no dates; no information at all. Therefore I think
DR> the events did not occur. The author(s) was telling a lie.
Oh? Surface trolling now?
... Jesus Christ has the distinction of being the 1st person to play dead.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:33:06
EID:885e 224db420
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3303dcf2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Richard Smith about Hypocritical people:
jf> And how can I possibly be a fundy? All I'm trying
jf> to do is stick by the Bible
MK> ROFL!
ky> Brine a fundy
RS> Eeeewwww, born again gerkins . . .
LB> Well, most of the ones I knew liked to get pickled on
LB> Saturday night before they got together on Sunday
LB> morning to talk about the eviiils of drinking and
LB> dancing.
I have got to wonder about such people. Don Martin believes
that the fundies believe what they claim to believe, and I
can't fault him for that. Yet, it still makes me wonder.
If these guys believe what they say they believe, then they
have GOT to be in denial somewhere else down the line. If I
believed that I was in rapport with an all-powerful entity
capable of toasting my buns forever, and that drinking,
etc., was against that entitie's wishes, why would I drink?
It was like that stupid idea of selling one's soul to the
devil: where did THAT come from? What person says "Oh,
yeah, I'll get unlimited power, etc., for about thirty
years, and then you get to twist me on a hot iron rack for
all of eternity in compensation for that . . . meanwhile
I'll just flip the bird at my sponsering entity by doing
this"? NOBODY I personally know is capable of making such
an incredibly stupid statement or bargain. Yet we are
supposed to believe that people DID do that, voluntarily.
The only thing that could make sense is that some of them
must suspect that it's all a fraud or something, and just
want to play it up while having a good time. Swaggart, for
example . . .
Yet it still confounds me.
... The one day you'd sell your soul, souls are a glut.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: R Daily Xtian Persecutio
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:42:08
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Fredric Rice said to Richard Smith about R Daily Xtian Persecutio:
rs> etc., the other night. They were, obstensibly, looking for
rs> stuff to put her husband (a Mormon, I should point out, that
rs> apparently believes in the old fashioned Xtian ethic: beat
rs> the shit out of your wife every chance you get) away on.
FR> Why in the hell would a Wiccan even THINK about marrying a
FR> Christian?!!!
Hey, I have no friggin' idea anymore. We HAVE been very
Xtian-friendly in the past, which may have been a mistake. I
should tell you the story sometime about how we learned the
Scientologists were bad news, back when we were
Scientologist-friendly. We are no longer that way now.
This has got to be the most twisted codependent relationship
that I've ever seen. Somewhere down the line, my friend is
totally fucked in the head. No doubt about it. And it
happened over the space of a year, I think. When I first
knew her, she was a sassy and assertive bitch redhead. She
was fun. Now she's a lump of pudding. I absolutely cannot
understand it. I know there's at least one chemical
imbalance that is running havok with her life. I remember
my own mother being beaten by my father, and I remember my
sisters eventually being beaten by their husbands. I've
heard my wife's stories about abuse in her earlier
relationships. I've read the posts of the women here who've
had bad relationships, and I've seen their explanation, and
while they make sense on an intellectual level, on a gut
level I'm still wondering what the hell is going on.
It scares me, quite a bit. I have to wonder if there are
aspects of that in my life, in my relationship. I don't
like to think there are, but I understand that there is more
than physical abuse . . .
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:48:10
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Educational Experienc:
rods> * On 30-12-96 at 15:29
RichS> I like this. You go back so far and answer such old
RichS> messages that yours are the only posts addressed to
RichS> me after I've been gone a month! I love mail!
rods> :) :) It was that special Yule gift from me to you :) :)
Aw, you shouldn't have . . .
rods> I note that there is less of a lag now :) :)
One of us must be slipping . . .
rods> Can you please explain the context and meaning of
rods> the word "gook" as you have used it above?
js> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
RichS> Has anyone pointed out to Jimson that the word `gook'
RichS> is not part of the Vietnamese language?
rods> Yes.
Then he's purposely lying? I thought so, but it's always
nice to get confirmation.
RichS> So, say about next August, he'll realize what was
RichS> said . . .
rods> Only if it involves those commie rice-eatin'
rods> chinko-nazi sombees :) [For the other echo participants,
rods> I wish to apologise in advance for the language I have
rods> just used. I do not hold such views, I merely am
rods> emulating Staaaalin-stupidity-mode... :)]
I think most of us understood that as a given.
RichS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
rods> Perjorative to the maximum, Richard.
RichS> Absolutely.
rods> Yep... Couldn't agree with someone of the same
rods> initials any more than I am. A Gazillion Percent
rods> Correct, Richard!
rods> Rod "...I think I better get married soon, to solve
rods> the confusion :)" Swift :)
You mean he wouldn't take YOUR name?
... ARGH! Arf... -Jim Staal
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: I KNEW it!
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:51:12
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about I KNEW it!:
js> ... Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but
js> it hurts when I insert 'em.
rods> Didn't your mother tell you they were good
rods> for haemorrhoids? Start shoving away... Trust
rods> me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
js> Ahhh you are correct!
RichS> LOL . . . the truth is finally out, as is Jimson . . .
rods> BINGO! :)
RichS> I knew it, after all that talk about size and
RichS> leather biker bars, the S.O. named Wilbur, etc.
rods> And, of course, we all know that for Jim's Birthday, we
rods> should send presents to the dearly *ahem* female
rods> "Wilbur" something ordered from the Northbound catalog
rods> at http://www.northbound.com/ :)
Damn, wish I browsed the web . . .
... I make my living through love offerings. -- Jimson Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Tagline!
|Date: 13 Feb 97 22:56:14
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Tagline!:
js> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to
js> find rough n ready sex. get real, will ya?
RichS> I swear, there's a tagline there someplace . . .
RichS> ... I go there with my wife to find rough n ready
RichS> sex. -J. Staalin
rods> I wanna know where he goes when they are not on
rods> vacation, for that rough n ready sex :)
Around Grand Rapids? Hmmm . . . no idea . . .
RichS> Maybe he'll give a demonstration at the
RichS> convention . . .
rods> Oh my! But if it's in Texas, it's probably against
rods> TX Code Section 21.06 :)
If we have it in Vegas, is there a corresponding code?
rods> Rod "...either way, it's definitely FAQ material :)"
rods> Swift :)
RichS> Oh yes.
rods> Time to drag out the FAQ and give it a "new year
rods> update" :)
Where IS Sean at, btw? Haven't seen any posts from him in a
long time . . .
... Birefringence is caused by homoaxial sectors, not homosexual actors.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Fundies
|Date: 13 Feb 97 23:00:16
EID:220b 224db800
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3303e350
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to David Worrell about Fundies:
DM> With Fido apparently back in circulation, I expect he
DM> is going to get a whole lot of 'em, too! I hereby
DM> nominate him for the Ron Stringfellow Lookalike Conest.
DM> Any seconds?
Aren't you being unkind to Mr. Stringfellow?
All kidding aside, I've never experienced a Stringfellow
moment, so I can't second it I suppose.
... Ad Hoc, Ad Nauseum and Ad Hominen: the Holy Trinity of Stringfellow
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Cracker Barrel Boycot
|Date: 13 Feb 97 23:07:18
EID:f83f 224db8e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3303e4f6
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to Ken Young about Cracker Barrel Boycot:
DM> And to Richard Smith, you assert:
ky> Now, we can argue about whether or not something of the
ky> supernatural exists, but even history will agree with me
ky> that Jesus was a real person.
DM> Really? Please be so good as to give us _one_ mention of
DM> Jesus by a contemporary (1st century BCE), non-Christian
DM> historian that is neither a forgery (Josephus) nor a
DM> reference to the _followers_ of Jesus rather than to the
DM> man himself. To be sure, many historians from the
DM> medieval period onward have assumed the existence of
DM> Jesus, but they really had nothing save Christian
DM> tradition upon which to base this assumption.
Somehow I suspect that you're not holding your breath.
... 100% of all people who breathe die.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 14 Feb 97 09:51:20
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Ken Young said to Richard Smith about Cracker Barrel boycott:
ky> Wondered how long before we got to this one..
RS> I take it that you have evidence that it is an unnatural
RS> lifestyle, Ken. You DO, don't you?
ky> Yep.. Can a homosexual couple, naturally, have a baby?
I've known at least two lesbian mothers who used natural
childbirth. Your point? BTW, this hardly proves your
point. You still haven't explained why, if same-gender sex
is so unnatural, why animals engage in it. You were aware
that they did, weren't you?
ky> A "homophobe" implies that the person is afraid of gays..
ky> SInce I cannot imagine why anyone would be, I obviously
ky> am not a "homophobe."
RS> I understand, Ken. No one is going to force you to come
RS> out of the closet.
ky> And no one is going to force you to admit that you are
ky> really a closet Christian.. :)
Actually, I'm worse than a closet Xtian: I'm an
out-of-the-broom-closet Wiccan. Your point, Jelly Roll?
ky> But tell me, how long have you been a Christiphobe?
RS> What made you think that I was afraid of christis? BTW,
What the heck IS a christis, btw?
RS> nice follow through . . . I've noticed that your standard
RS> operating procedure when faced with someone you don't like
RS> is to accuse them of bigotry, usually racial bigotry. Nice
RS> to know that you're true to form.
ky> Oh, I am using bigotry, but it isn't bigotry, to call me a
ky> "homophobic?"
Nice attempt to twist the question. I very much hate
bigots, which is what my bigotry could be called. Unlike
you, I have the honesty to admit it. You haven't refuted
what I've said. You're still a bigot, and a pretty pathetic
one at that.
ky> Well, what makes you think I am afraid of gays?
Your rabidity in this whole exchange. Your `protesting too
much.' Etc.
ky> ANd what racial bigotry have I used? Give me an example.
You DO have a reading comprehension problem, don't you?
Tell me, jelly boy, WHERE did I accuse you of racial
bigotry? Read the posts more closely and eschew such stupid
strawmen, jelly boy. That tactic only makes you look more
dense than you appear already.
... Only Xtians've morals. <-K.Young-> Many non-Xtians've the same values.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 14 Feb 97 18:27:22
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Ken Young said to Richard Smith about Oops, Caught Again:
ky> By the same token, the stereotype that all Christians are
ky> dogmatic morons isn't quite fair or accurate either..
MG> Do all christians believe in a god?
ky> SO, just by simply believing in a god, means one is
ky> dogmatic?
RS> Where did Martin say that, Ken? Nice shuffle, btw.
ky> I refuse to believe you are this dense.
Don't envy me because I'm not as stupid as you are, Ken.
It's a curse . . .
ky> I said that the stereotype that Christians are dogmatic
ky> morons isn't fair,
You're the only one that's mentioned it, jelly boy. Perhaps
you should stop the denigration?
ky> and he replied, do all CHristians believe in a god.
You mean to say that they don't?
ky> This clearly is saying that anyone that believes in
ky> a god is a dogmatic moron.
I still don't see where he said it, jelly the hut. If
anything, you're the only one mentioning that Xtians are
dogmatic morons, and your actions to paddle against the tide
just go further to show that that is perhaps a very accurate
assessment.
(\__/) .~~~~~. )) (\__/) .~~~~~. )) (\__/) .~~~~~. ))
/O O ./ .' /O O ./ .' /O O ./ .'
{O__, \ { {O__, \ { {O__, \ {
/ . . ) \ / . . ) \ / . . ) \
|| '-' \ } )) || '-' \ } )) || '-' \ } ))
.( _( )_.' .( _( )_.' .( _( )_.'
'---.~_ _ _& '---.~_ _ _& '---.~_ _ _&
friskie fluffy shithead
Look, Ken! Here are some _cute_ squirrels to help explain
this to you!
ky> By the same token, the stereotype that all Christians are
ky> dogmatic morons isn't quite fair or accurate either..
(\__/) .~~~~~. )) GEE, KEN, THIS IS QUITE A STATEMENT
/O O ./ .' THAT YOU'VE MADE HERE! LET'S SEE
{O__, \ { HOW IT'S REACTED TO! WHERE DID YOU
/ . . ) \ GET THIS FROM?
|| '-' \ } ))
.( _( )_.' I'VE NOTICED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
'---.~_ _ _& ANY NUTS. WANT ONE OF MINE?
friskie
MG> Do all christians believe in a god?
(\__/) .~~~~~. )) GEE, ALL THAT MARTY DOES IS ASK A
/O O ./ .' QUESTION. HE JUST WANTS TO KNOW IF
{O__, \ { ALL XTIANS BELIEVE IN A DEITY.
/ . . ) \
|| '-' \ } )) WHY DO YOU ASSUME THAT THAT MEANS
.( _( )_.' THAT ALL XTIANS ARE DOGMATIC MORONS?
'---.~_ _ _&
fluffy AREN'T YOU PROJECTING, JUST A LITTLE?
ky> SO, just by simply believing in a god, means one is
ky> dogmatic?
(\__/) .~~~~~. )) DID MARTY SAY THAT, YOU IGNORANT FUCK?
/O O ./ .'
{O__, \ { DID _ANYONE_ SAY THAT?
/ . . ) \
|| '-' \ } )) I'VE MET ACORNS SMARTER THAN YOU ARE,
.( _( )_.' YOU MORON. IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE
'---.~_ _ _& QUESTION, JUST SAY SO RATHER THAN
shithead CREATING A LIE!
Ahem, thanx guys. As I said, it's a nice shuffle, but it is
just a strawman. DO ALL XTIANS BELIEVE IN A DEITY OR NOT?
YES OR NO?
... Can I get you something? Some nuts? A beverage? A shot to the head?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 14 Feb 97 10:33:24
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to Richard Smith about Hypocritical people:
jf> And how can I possibly be a fundy? All I'm trying
jf> to do is stick by the Bible
MK> ROFL!
ky> Brine a fundy
RS> Eeeewwww, born again gerkins . . .
DC> Close: The correct spelling is 'jerk-ins'.
Well, that's not something I exactly relish . . .
... Oooooo, Mr. Smith has _cold_ hands!!! -- Elmo
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Smegma Staalin
|Date: 14 Feb 97 10:58:26
EID:5c3d 224e5740
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 32f9d964
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Smegma Staalin:
smith> Have you heard the rumor that the Mormons, aided
smith> by the Promise Keepers, are planning on organizing
smith> another million man march on Washington?
js> No. That _fact_ is, that Promise Keepers is
js> organizing the first million man march on Washington.
smith> ^^^^^
smith> Shouldn't that be `are organizing' rather than `is
smith> organizing?' Or is Jimson speaking Eubonics? The
smith> failed English Major strikes again . . .
rods> It is customary in educational circles to only refer
rods> to yourself *after* college as a *major* if one has
rods> passed it. If not, you can only claim to have studied
rods> some units in an attempt to gain a major... :)
Almost totally true. Here in the states, though, often
people will speak of their Major, even though they may not
hae attained it. We're somewhat relaxed about it. But
you're still correct, as far as real etiquette is concerned,
I suppose.
rods> I doubt he's currently an English major! :)
Oh, you got that right.
rods> To be so, he'd have to have graduated from a degree
rods> program with such a recognised major stream.
And, presumably, he'd have to know something about English.
smith> ROFLMGDAO . . . gads, I don't have the heart to tell
smith> the lil' feller . . . . . .
rods> Well, in Jimson's world, black people probably don't
rods> exist :)
They probably live in a more upscale trailor park, or in
actual houses.
rods> Neither do gay people probably. Both those groups
rods> have had marches of more than 500,000 in
rods> Washington :)
True. And the blacks had the first official Million Man
March, though there may be some controversy about numbers.
smith> I think they could have marched right across Jimson's
smith> instep and he'd still not have noticed . . .
rods> Some of them probably did. :) :) Remember, he likes
rods> leather, and someone named "Wilbur" and gay biker
rods> bars :)
I bet he's a bottom, not a top.
rods> Heck, I bet the Lesbian Avengers could organise a
rods> better March on Washington than the Promisefilth.
Or Queer Nation.
smith> You know, you just can't buy entertainment like this.
rods> That's why it should be in the FAQ :)
smith> Saved for posterity . . .
rods> Only if it is Jim's, and if I get to pull it outta
rods> there on a regular basis...
I hope you have a good milkcrate to stand on before you fist
the mister . . .
rods> Rod "... oh, I thought you said posterior. My
rods> mistake!" Swift :)
"Men don't have a one track mind . . . men have an
eight track mind . . . you just can't get tapes for it.
-- Bruce Willis, Moonlighting.
... Crime...Sex...Drugs...Alcohol...God, I love TV evangelism!!!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 14 Feb 97 11:08:28
EID:af95 224e5900
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 32fcc072
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33048dfc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Cracker Barrel boycott:
Jd> I presume then, that you live the 'natural' lifestyle,
Jd> Ken! Must be tough going nude this time of year!
ky> Seeing how clothes are biblical, I see no problem with
ky> it. But one cannot say the same for homosexuality.
smith> Oh really? Evidence for this? What about Jesus
smith> with the naked boy in the garden?
rods> Got a scriptural reference for that :) :)
Gotta look for it again, I have it saved someplace . . .
. . . dang, can't find it now. (GOTTA clear off that hard
drive!) Anyone else remember the chapter and verse of this
pup? I remember it being discussed in the last six months.
smith> ... Creative Bible use #5: David & Jonathan lovers?
smith> ISam 1:26/20:41/18:3-4
rods> Ah, that's 2 SAM 1:26, 1 SAM 20:41-42 and 1
rods> SAM 18:1-4 :)
So I noticed after I typed it into the tagline file. I have
GOT to go edit it, if I can make it fit. Thanx for pointing
it out.
... There're more words in the Bible for killing than for love.-Don Morgan
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 14 Feb 97 15:37:37
EID:e347 224e7ca0
PID: BWMAX2 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 33053abd
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Richard Smith said "Exemplifying examples" to Robert Curry, adding:
RS> cite studies from places like Berkeley, etc. From what I've
RS> read in it, I would tend to think that one's sexual
RS> orientation is present from birth, that people are born that
RS> way, and that there isn't much they can do about it. In
RS> that light, Ken Young's arguments fall apart like a single
RS> sheet of toilet paper on a wet ass.
Have you ever seen any of his "arguments", no matter what their
subject, do anything else? The wonder would be if one held together
long enough to draw a single breath.
Later, you say to me:
BB> And how do you know this comes from God, and not just
BB> the psyche?
ky> I just felt the annointing of God on the speaker..
DM> It's bad enough to have you forever talking about
DM> homosexuality without your also presenting samples of your
DM> disgusting behavior with the greasy sweat of guys with big
DM> hair who wear polyester suits. I'm trying to eat _lunch_
DM> here, fer chrissakes!
RS> You think you
RS> have problems? I just passed a tuna fish sandwich through my
RS> nose.
Ah, it's February, spawning season for them. You always find
tuna going upstream this time of year . . .
RS> I'd made it on toast . . .
Count your blessings--it _could_ have been on Ry-Krisp.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: NDE'S AND IGNORANT ID
|Date: 14 Feb 97 14:48:18
EID:71d5 224e7600
PID: BWMAX2 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 33053abe
Roger Hunter said "NDE'S AND IGNORANT ID" to Fredric Rice, adding:
rh> I'd have to question this. The studies I've read note that the
rh> experience is the same REGARDLESS of the cultural expectations.
FR> The bright light and sound is consistant across cultural backgrounds
FR> yet how the brain interprets the noise is dependant upon the culture.
RH> That I can accept. I meant that the tunnel and light was experienced
RH> even by atheists, Jews, Hindus and others whose cultures dictate
RH> otherwis.
I have seen it suggested that this "tunnel and light" image is
a very primordial memory of one's birth, triggered by the brain
being in extremis. It would be interesting to gather any NDEs from
the ever-increasing number of persons born by Caesarian section:
_that_ lot ought to have light, but no tunnel, under this
hypothesis.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don.martin@mbbs.com)
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|From: David Worrell
|To: David Martorana
|Sub: God & Gods
|Date: 15 Feb 97 01:23:02
EID:923c 224f0ae0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 33051014
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 3303f6dc
PID: GED3 2.5
14 Feb 97 00:23, David Martorana wrote to Don Martin:
DM> .........nothing serious! .....just some few compressed
DM> thoughts that haunt me when I think about God and Gods!
Maybe you should devote a little time to thinking about punctuation and
paragraphs.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 15 Feb 97 01:24:07
EID:87cc 224f0b00
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PID: GED3 2.5
12 Feb 97 00:38, Ken Young wrote to David Worrell:
KY>> But what facts are concerned? Prove with facts that Christians
KY>> are wrong. Prove Creationism wrong. Prove miracles wrong.
KY>> Prove that there is no God. Can't do it, so there are no facts,
KY>> in your little, "I don't believe it so it must be wrong," world.
DW>> Prove Santa Claus doesn't exist.
KY> Well, he was a real person, but pretty good proof he no longer exists
KY> is that one cannot find one kid that was visited by him.
Nope. That's not proof. It doesn't even qualify as evidence, really. He
could well have given up on the delivering presents routine some time ago.
That doesn't mean he stopped existing. Try again.
DW>> Prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist.
KY> Same proof.
Dame bullshit you mean. I see you failed here, too.
DW>> Prove Allah doesn't exist.
KY> Allah is dead.
That's a nice claim you've got there. However, I didn't ask for any claims.
I, following your example above, asked you to prove that Allah didn't exist.
DW>> Prove elves don't exist.
KY> There are no signs of anything they have done.
Some would say the same about your God. You've failed again. Did you manage
to fulfill any of my requests? Let's read on and see, shall we?
DW>> Prove dragons don't exist.
KY> Same answer..
Same bullshit, again. You really don't do this well, do you?
DW>> Prove pixies don't exist.
KY> When there is NOTHING to suggest that something COULD be real, it
KY> likely isn't.
Ditto your God.
Now, let's refresh our memory regarding your original statement:
KY>> But what facts are concerned? Prove with facts that Christians
KY>> are wrong. Prove Creationism wrong. Prove miracles wrong.
KY>> Prove that there is no God. Can't do it, so there are no facts,
KY>> in your little, "I don't believe it so it must be wrong,"
KY>> world.
Shall we now assume that you also believe in dragons, Santa, elves, and
all the other above creatures since you can't seem to prove that they don't
exist?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: amazon.com
|Date: 15 Feb 97 01:29:58
EID:bf54 224f0ba0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330511ce
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 1a650b5a
PID: GED3 2.5
12 Feb 97 11:10, John Brawley wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Logic: More Notes of a Fringe Watcher_, and _Urantia: The Great
DW>> Cult Mystery_, all by Martin Gardner.
JB> That last I might discuss with you.
JB> I was part of Gardner's early research effort for the book.
I'm sure you were. Your past involvement with Urantia really comes as no
surprise to me, though.
JB> Amazon's the internet bookstore? Would you be so kind as to provide
JB> or reiterate an URL?
www.amazon.com
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: How to Attract Men (LOL!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 01:34:32
EID:4394 224f0c40
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330512e5
PID: GED3 2.5
12 Feb 97 17:03, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
JS>>> Precisely because she's openly gay, heterosexual women
JS>>> interested in attracting men should *not* model their appearance
JS>>> after her.
SA>> You, sir, are a misogynist.
DW>> No, that's me.
DW>> Jim, in a rare moment of lucidity, is dealing with reality.
LB> :) That wasn't Jim Staal, it was Joe Shedlock, aka BenAlias.
Thanks. I was feeling rather slimy for (mistakenly) thinking I was defending
Jim.
It is an understandable mistake, though. Anytime I see the initials JS>
and an accusation of misogyny, I just automatically assume the JS> is Staal.
LB> Exactly. One can dress however one wishes, but if ones GOAL is to
LB> attract a particular type of person, dressing in a way that says "I
LB> have no interest in your attentions" just isn't really bright.
Indeed. I wonder what Sue would think of the URL you gave me the other night?
:)
LB> It's just common sense.
A commodity missing from many people's storehouses, it seems. Or maybe I'm
just getting more intolerant of bullshit as I get older.
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|From: Sally Springett
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Evidences for God
|Date: 14 Feb 97 02:26:00
EID:6386 224e1340
MSGID: 1:2613/313@ 489ce46f
DG> presence in the universe. In fact, the opposite is occurring.
DG> Let us hear the following clip from the Washington Post: "Many
DG> scientists who were not long ago certain that the universe was
DG> created and peopled by accident are having second thoughts and
DG> concede the possibility that some intelligent creative force
DG> may have been responsible."
Are we expected to believe that someone on a respected newspaper
wrote an _editorial_ containing that allegation or did a writer for
the paper quote someone who made that claim? There is a
considerable difference.
Any statement beginning "many scientists" is suspect. An actual
scientist _might_ say "many low-temperature physicists" or "many
inorganic chemists" but s/he, aware that it is dangerous to
generalize across fields, wouldn't care to be quoted making a flat
statement about scientists in general.
When you know who made the statement and in what context get back
to us. It might also be of use to mention when it appeared in _The
Washington Post_ (the page number would be nice too) so that others
might find it and marvel.
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|From: Sally Springett
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: What are you claiming no
|Date: 14 Feb 97 15:33:00
EID:168c 224e7c20
MSGID: 1:2613/313@ 706be06d
RS> So he didn't marry all those under-16-year-olds? Never had a
RS> harem? Never boinked them silly?
KY> No to all of it. No one has ever been able to produce
KY> anything proving he did any of that.
The DNA evidence that many of the children were his meant nothing
to you (I believe that at least one of the mothers was 14)?
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: All
|Sub: Bye
|Date: 11 Feb 97 16:32:19
EID:fe02 224b8400
MSGID: 2:250/366.22 23F474C2
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
PID: PackFIDO 3.213
Hi,
Well, I just got my first InterNet account and I need to drop some
Fido echoes. As much as I'd like to stay in here and ride the storms
and make new friends and enemies I have to drop this one because of
it's phenomenal daily flow.
To everyone who has written to me, flamer, enquirer, conversationist,
if you feel that I've wasted your time then you are welcome to send me
an Email to the address in my sig and I'll write you a reply.
nice to have met some of you ;)
Paul
In space no-one can hear you brraaapppp!!!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Screams from hell!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 11:50:40
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Ken Young
Martin Goldberg
Dave H.
KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an interesting
KY> possibility, there have been many to say they heard
KY> torturous screams of agony when they dug too deep in
KY> the earth.. Now, if that is so, could it be Hell? If
KY> not, what are those sounds coming from?
dh> A shame the FAQ's on sebatical. Maybe we could do a contest
dh> or something here. This is just too much straight line for
dh> one or two people.
It's amazing what people are told but it's even more interesting that there
are actually people willing to believe it. Being told that there is a "hell"
in the first place was bad... Being told it's under ground is worse. Being
told that there's "proof" is the height of absurdity.
Only the truely insane among us would believe.
By then again in retrospect, they'll believe whatever their masters tell
them to believe.
~*~ Your immortal soles, corns and all, are in danger of
ever-lasting stewing in the Holy Bile! - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 12:03:19
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DC>> They asked your "god" for help, Kennny. He seems rather
DC>> conspicuously absent from doing anything.
KY> If that was completely true, this world
ky> would me a lot worse than it
KY> even is now.
Actually the "world around him" would be a paradise if it weren't for religion
-- deity oriented as well as any other dogmatized brand of ideology -- and
racism.
Imagine the progress science could have made had it not been for the willfully
ignorant among us.
~*~ Nutball scum of a feather flock together. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: Kiss the fags! Make 'em cry.
|Date: 15 Feb 97 12:45:17
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EM>You don't think that the non-religious gay-basher type isn't just
EM>trying to exert another kind of control, i.e., baseball-bat vs.
EM>legislation?
rv> Lay you odds, those that hit on gay people with the bats, if you go
rv> into their back ground are, not only anti-gay but also
rv> have a god of the christian nature.
Or Muslim. But here in the Westernized world, yeah, Christians have the
lock on homophobia. I had solicited input from a variety of homophobic
groups and none of them denied a Christian idological foundation. Not a
one.
rv> My brother has a very bad time around an open gay person, and all
rv> i can understand is he is also afraid he maybe gay or switch at some
rv> time that way.
Perhaps he's been told things and -- even if he no longer believes them
-- he can't fully escape the emotional response specifically engineered
for by the homophobics among us. Perhaps the demonization of gays has infused
itself somewhat into his psychie.
I was the same way up until some 10 years ago. I hated gays with a passion
-- and was growing ever more racist against blacks and Mexicans. The turning
point was simply asking myself what the basis of that hatred was -- and
there was no basis for hatred of gays. A simple honest question answered
honestly turned me into a gay-friendly literally over night.
rv> Gord is a big enought person who could ripe a person limb
rv> from limb. He just avoids an open gay person.
Perhaps he doesn't have a cognative basis for his dislikes. Perhaps it's
simply emotionally ingrained, an artifact of growing up in a High School
environment where being called a fag is considered an insult.
rv> The bother bit, he runs a plant and he turn down a product
rv> slanted to the gay male market. It would of made meg buck. The chicken
rv> shit didn't want to work with a gay artist. My brother, the asshole.
rv> Piss me off big time. What can i say, he's got the drive and i have
the
rv> brains.
No foolen? Wow! Amazing. Myself, I would sell guns to fundies if I could
turn a few million bucks.
rv> I've work with several open gay males, they fear the bible thumpers
rv> more then anyone else. I've met others that bash gay males all the time,
rv> bash as in words, never as in actually hitting them. With them if it
can
rv> down to a show down, would run like hell.
I once slugged a guy with a stick when I was working at Builders Emporium
as a cash register jocky. The guy leaned over the counter and tried to
kiss me. So I whallopped that guy hard enough to drive him to his knees.
(The stick was on the end of the key for the register -- large so it couldn't
be misplaced, lost, or easilly stollen without being noticed.)
But I would have done the same to a het. sexual woman -- maybe; I doubt
I would have been as angry. Fact is is sheer audacity of some stranger
trying to lay their lips on mine -- male or female alike; doesn't matter
-- deserves a violent response.
Then again many years later while in Holland, I walked to bars and did some
singing and got a little tipsy and such behavior is to be permitted.
rv> Like with a male nurse, can't be a real man, got to be gay. If a male
rv> and you not only care about humans but pick a job that deals with
rv> the careing nature, well of course your gay. Like i keep tell Al,
rv> humans are stupid. Many areas of acting dumb and that's just one of
rv> them.
Our culture. The Nukak have the women do the hard labor and in various
nomadic and planted tribes in Egypt the males are the "fair sex."
Some three years ago I worked with Brian Herdeg -- I'll mention his name
because I don't work with him any more and he's no longer with the company.
When we went out into the field and had the chance to stop and eat, he wouldn't
allow male waiters to wait on him. He refused to be led into the resturaunt
by a male -- who he always assumed was gay.
rv> The fact that gay people, both males/females have a little more
rv> comfort in the comeing out, perhaps humans will finally learn that
rv> they are people, no better, no worst then any one else.
We must end religion before we can make such noble progress.
~*~ Laws of nature only exist once observed. - Jesse Hornbacher
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Wonder Woman Wins every time!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:00:46
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MK> How silly of you. It is precisely the lack of any
MK> evidence that any "Almighty"[sic] exists that has
MK> led to my own atheism.
dr> So I am silly now?
rs> If you say so. Mark was merely pointing out how silly you
rs> were acting, but if you want to admit to being silly, be my
rs> guest.
The guy has years of trying to interpret his mythologies to keep in step
with what his masters have been programming him with. It's no wonder he's
managed to make that methodology a part of his every day communing with
fellow humans.
It's very much to his benefit to try to pretend that he's being picked on
and called names. Then he can convince himself he doesn't have to either
face the hurtful, embarrassing truth about his cult and he doesn't have
to answer hurtful, embarrassing questions.
dr> How do I even manage to write my responses?
rs> Something we've all wondered.
It sure is, man! The human brain's ability to compartimentalize deserves
its own science.
dr> hired to structure sentences and operate my computer and
dr> real hard stuff like that, right? Duuuuh, the next
dr> chess tournament I'm in, I'll hire one of you guys to
dr> stand close by and tell me what to do via electronic
dr> devices.
All that bluster to avoid having to face the fact that Wonder Woman comic
books are vastly superior to his own mythologies where it comes to scientific
accuracy and story-line consistancy.
I sense a great deal of resentment in his bluster.
~*~ They simply wallow in their fantasies and hope it will
all come true before April 15th. :) - Steve Rose
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:07:43
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js> That can be obtained. The evidence that I have seen
js> suggests that in West Michigan, the education receive
js> in our schools consistantly surpasses that of the local
js> public schools.
Yeah. Just look how this Staal woman-hating homophobic bigot turned
out.
rs> Jimson sure seems to have a rich fantasy life, don't you
rs> think. Has he EVER presented his alledged evidence?
The last study that I recall reading concluded that Christanic cult "schools"
educate no better and no worse than the Public School system... individuals
are released from both institutions with approximatly the same percentages
of illiterats and scientific dweebs.
The fundamentalist brands of death cult "schools," of course, rank much
lower in literacy and even worse in scientific understanding. Scientific
America for January, in fact, covered the Creationist occultism in specific
and pseudo-science in general.
Ignorant buttfucks are prodiced by religious "schools" and by the public
school system approximatly to the same degrees. Only the fundy brands of
"schools" really warp and twist their dogma to the point where it's undeniably
child abuse.
~*~ Most white people can get seriously mutated by just
5 hours of constant direct sunlight. - James Conwell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: I.Q. vs Religious beliefs
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:10:31
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Oh... I might add that al of the scientifically-conducted studies ever
conducted which examines the relationship between belief in deity constructs
and intelligence show that the less intlligent one is, the more likely one
is to believe in deity superstitions.
Some of the most popular file requests in my archives are the write-up on
these conclusions. It takes ignorance, unintelligence, fear, hatred, poor
education, greed, avarice... all that is negative, including insanity,
to continue to believe in deity constructs in our age of supposed enlightenment.
~*~ No one ever dies, their interupts just get masked. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Hi I'm new
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:32:13
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ns> Have you ever met a Christian you liked?
What a strange question. Just what are you implying, "Norman?"
~*~ Die and fry! You and your scum sucking in-bred brother, furd.
- Jim Staal (Defending his homophobia in HolySmoke)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Steve Winter sees ememies everywhere
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:33:53
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DL>> Steve just keeps seeing people out to get him everywhere. At on time
DL>> he defended the promiskeepers. Now they are lumped with the reast of
sq>> Tell him that someone you know has submitted his name to the Church
of
sq>> Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and he's going to be baptized by
sq>> that church when he dies. :)
FR> What a wonderful idea!
sq> Now.....goooo!
By now he's doubtless been warned of the incoming message. I'll let you
know how it goes.
~*~ If I prove there is a God, will you shut up? - Stewart Harris
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Promisekritters
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:36:28
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KW> Find a man's greatest fear, and exploit it.
RS> Again 100% on the mark. Someone should honestly feed the
RS> PromiseKritters a 100% honest-to-chocolate harpy pie! :)
kw> Why bother--as they don't seem to be
kw> capable of understanding the why of it.
I suspect that every Promise Keeper master understand very much what they're
doing -- and that they're motivated by nothing more nobel than greed. It's
the sheep that buy the Promise Keeper evils (like the Bathroom Staals among
us) who are the people who can't understand.
Man, we gotta attack the source of evil.
~*~ I am not a Christian, I am a Goatee. If I die, I just die, and if I
live, I live on a chair in front of my computer. :) - QUENTIN FAI
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ...
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:37:35
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David Ragland
So you know it's going to be good.
DR> January 9-15, 1952. On those days, no one used profanity.
jb> The hell they didn't. My mother was still alive then. She was bowling
in
jb> a league then. I know damned good and well that she swore mightily
jb> during those days. Next?
A buck says he'll come back and demand it was a joke -- another buck says
that he actually believes it.
~*~ I believe that God does inflict His presense upon the earth.
- Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Al's justifications for rape
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:41:27
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Ronald Vass
Al Schroeder <=-
RV> We're not asking Al's God to stop all action, Perhaps just Rape of
RV> Children [ hell god can allow it
jb> How about just stopping it for the ones who pray 'with
jb> all their hearts' to make the pain go away?
That would remove their "free will" though and besides, getting raped and
bleeding near to death from vaginal and anal rending is for the girl's own
good -- makes her a better Christian, more in keeping with the will of the
gods, you see.
Man I want this "Frugal Gormet" guy dead.
~*~ Yes, that's radiant heat. What does that have to do
with infrared? - ARTEMIS
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: R Daily Xtian Persecutio
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:43:47
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th> Richard, if it was "the Mormon" in him that "made him do this," then
the
th> man is self-deceived. I have my doubts that this ya-hoo is a member
of
th> the Mormon church, or if he is, that he is active. If he is active,
and
th> is guilty of the crimes that you have reported, then this needs to be
th> brought to the attention of the local Mormon leaders. He is certainly
th> *not* living according to the standards of the Mormons, no matter what
th> he may claim, and the kind of abuse that he has heaped upon his wife
is
th> totally out of line with Mormon teachings.
Ah, yes. The ole "Not True Mormon" dodge. The desire to demand that all
the Mormon criminals are incapable of doing what they did and thus the onus
of correcting the problem falls upon the atheists.
Why not learn the true origins of the Mormon cult, "Tom?"
~*~ A religionoid cannot use Dove. Dove only sports 1/4 cleansing cream...
and their myth-gawds demand 100% purity. - Steve Rose
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: We will win, you know
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:44:38
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DR> You got this ol' fundy all confused.
mk> You were confused before you got here, Dave.
When we really win is when we get these fundies to _think_.
~*~ God doesn't believe in atheists - Johnny Mckinney
Good, perhaps he'll leave us alone, now. - Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: Brawley's ignorant ranting lunacy
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:49:40
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HP>> I merely pointed out that you're just spouting pseudoscientific
JB> So I'll "merely point out" that you're repeating yourself.
mk> You spout the same old pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo,
mk> John, and we'll keep calling it that.
What's interesting, Mark, is that this holographic universe weenie had admitted
to reading Leon Ledderman's commentary on how people like Brawley want to
try to use contemporary Quantum physics to justify their continued belief
in a broad spectrum of occult, ignorant, superstitious things.
And yet Brawley couldn't equate himself to the focus of the commentary he
read. He seems to have been totally incapable of understanding that it
was _him_ and his fellow lunatics that Ledderman was talking about.
~*~ You must want the Barney conference down the hall. - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:51:01
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DR> I mean, can I have your permission?
mk> Why do you feel you need it? Problem with your sense of self-esteem?
He's used to having to ask permission of his masters to take a shit.
~*~ It's what the world needs most: a God that TASTES GOOD. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 13:56:07
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KY> Maybe if we came back to God, crops would do better..
RC> No one could possibly be this stupid! LOL!
mb> Sure, you mock him. But, have you TRIED IT?!
I've got to wonder how many millions tried to pray away a drout.
~*~ HE GAVE US HIS ONLY SON - STEVE STUART NACARLO
AND NO ONE WANTS HIM. - DAVID RICE
BUT WE WANTED A DAUGHTER. - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Quote
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:01:58
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Fascism is fascism, David, no matter if it is cloaked
in swastikas or crosses. - David Worrell
A profound truth, David... One I need to keep in mind as well.
~*~ You mean... fundy's are HUMAN??? I thought they were part of some
government funded genetic experiment to test the limits of stupidity..
- Drew Webber
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Mark O'Neill
|Sub: More fucking christians
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:10:10
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> I'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT THE WORLD CAN'T GIVE,
Yet fundies have no difficulty doing just that.
> AND THE WORLD CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY,
He probably thinks the deity constructs he's been programmed to
worship are the same ones that existed 2,000 years ago.
> I'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT THE WORLD CAN GIVE,
The guy's a Christian. The inability to keep from contradicting
himself from one "sentence" to the next indicates a long history of trying
to reconcile the contradictions in his paper idol.
> AND IT KEEPS ME NIGHT AND DAY,
Yet perpetually in the dark.
mon> Scary, innit?
"Sick" is more accurate.
~*~ ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE WHO GOES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS STEALING THE
CHILDREN OF ALL YOU SUSPECT ARE CHRISTIAN? - David Stoddard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:16:17
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dc> ... "I'de rather be an idoit and go to heaven.." Kenneth Mcabee
He got one of his wishes.
~*~ Light doesn't care what time it is. - David Bloomberg
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:18:01
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KYJelly> If you make the choice, not to go to
KYJelly> Heaven, then you make the choice to go to Hell.
Welp, your intellectual and moral superiors refuse to pick either.
Kind of looks like we win and you lose, dear.
~*~ Maybe it otta be renamed to Hades command set. - David Strickland
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:24:11
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KY> Provable falsehood and contradiction? Care to share an example?
mb> Ask and ye shall receive.
mb> Action ................... Samuel/Kings ............... Chronicles
mb> Taken by David II Sam. 8.4: I Chr. 18.4:
mb> . 1,700 horsemen 1,000 chariots
mb> . 20,000 foot soldiers 7,000 horsemen
mb> . 20,000 foot
sldrs
Well? You asked, you got around 70. Did you learn anything or did your
masters simply tell you not to?
~*~ The story of Jesus Christ appearing after he was dead is the story
of an apparition, such as timid imaginations can always create in
vision, and credulity believe. Stories of this kind had been told
of the assassination of Julius Caesar..." - Thomas Paine
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Screams from hell!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:30:02
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Ken Young
Martin Goldberg
KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an interesting possibility,
KY> there have been many to say they heard torturous screams of agony
KY> when they dug too deep in the earth.. Now, if that is so, could it
KY> be Hell? If not, what are those sounds coming from?
dw> <*R*O*F*L*!*!*!*!*!*!*!>
I bet there are people who actually believe this.
dw> Congratulations, Ken. You've just managed to say the stupidest thing
I
dw> have ever heard in my entire 3 decades of life. You faced some stiff
dw> competition, but you won through like a champion.
Come now... This isn't as idiot as a growing pile of NOODLES!
dw> I'm quite proud of you.
His programming would appear to be completed.
~*~ McCullough's Law: anyone under the control of an authority tends to
be/become inimical to anyone NOT under control of the same authority.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Screams from hell!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:31:07
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KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an
KY> interesting possibility, there have been many to say they heard
KY> torturous screams of agony when they dug too deep in the earth.. Now,
KY> if that is so, could it be Hell? If not, what are those sounds coming
KY> from?
dw> I wanted to make damn sure you saw this :)
That would explain why you sent me three copies. }:-}
It's a great one! I copied it to the quotes and will be adding it to the
top of the quotes web page -- I want the best of the best at the top so
that people can see what's coming up while waiting for the entire page.
}:-}
~*~ It did die but it really didn't but it did" occult
prattle. Which is it? - David Rice
Perhaps he worships Shroedinger's Cat .. - Sue Armstrong
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: You forgot to answer this...
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:32:20
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DG>> Because all have sinned, and fall short of God's glory
DW>> That's nice. Got any evidence for this God you speak of?
DG> Yep. Tons of it.
My. It's so very mysterious why you continually refuse to present it, huh?
~*~ But when examining a phenomena, like the placement of rocks in a
field, there is nothing unscientific about considering whether those
rocks were placed by design or natural forces. - Andrew Masten
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:34:05
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RS>> Which God?
KY> Isn't it obvious? There is only one god. If I meant another,
KY> meaning a false god, then I would have mentioned their names..
Why won't you fundies ever answer honest questions honestly?
Answer the question, Ken. Which god are you refering to?
~*~ A lemming on full afterburners. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Christians bombing innocent babies
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:37:08
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RS>> Restating the question, do you think that the Oklahoma
RS>> bombing was "an act used to cause terror by a US resident
RS>> towards a US-based target, the resident acting due to their
RS>> religious convictions?"
JS> Absolute absurdity on your part. No basis in fact whatsoever.
What an idiot.
mg> You still haven't answered the question, but I'll put mine
mg> more succinctly. "Do you believe that the persons responsible
mg> for the OK city bombing were rligious fundamentalists?"
Hopefully when the trials are over and these Christian terrorists are put
away, we'll get the official reports... yet to start with the guy who leaded
the pretend "militia" which trained the Oklahoma City bombers is a Baptist
preacher and each and every other member of the cult is a Christian. According
to CBS membership in the Christanic death cult is a requirement for the
cult which trained the bombers.
~*~ "The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is
the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no
principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can
demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion." - Thomas Paine
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:40:23
EID:16e8 224f750b
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Ken Young
Dan Ceppa
DC> So the fucker just starves them to death. Nice god you worhip,
DC> "Patriot". Are you sure your sheet is the correct color?
DC> I'm sure that the pointy part fits you quite well.
KY> I would really love to know where one could get the idea that I am
KY> racist.. I haven't said one thing against blacks yet.
sa> Interesting use of language, don't you think?
While his post tells us a great deal about him, it doesn't tell us anything
new we didn't already know.
~*~ If history has shown us anything it is that believing in God
seems to dull one's sense of justice. - Derek Clayton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Wonder Woman Comics win
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:49:55
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RC> Fess up, David -- you've been using pepper again, haven't you?
DR> You know it.
rc> Then you have condemned yourself by your own perverse actions.
In a moment of weakness I used pepper on my tofu hotdogs this morning.
I swear it'll happen again.
~*~ A phone call to fido headquarters seems to be in demand.
- Brian La Plante
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Driving over Mr. Daisy
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:51:17
EID:f081 224f7668
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KY> Seems that when this was more of a Christian society,
KY> things were a lot better.
rc> When do you believe that "this was more of a Christian society," Ken?
Nigras knew their place, women stayed at home, fagalas were still in the
closet, and the commies only controlled Hollywood.
Did I leave anyone out? Oh yeah! And all the atheists were in Russia.
~*~ ... "Atheists. I hope they rot in Hell." -- Charles Baldo
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Fundies
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:53:38
EID:c6a7 224f76b3
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DR> Yes fascists should be confronted. Christians should be
DR> confronted too. But the difference in the two defines how
DR> to confront both. To elucidate, we mean _you_ no harm so...
rc> Did the Spanish Conquistadores who brought priests with them to
rc> baptise the native American infants before bashing their skulls
rc> mean them no harm?
rc>
rc> They only wanted to ensure that these souls went to heaven, after
rc> all. No harm in that, is there?
rc>
rc> Is there?
Well? Is there?
How about the Christians who prayed over the 30 million Muslims during the
last crusade to "win back" the "holy land?" The very same Christians who
hacked apart the children and babies -- nearly all of whom were hacked apart
while still alive -- as they searched for gemstones and even pepper?
Nice death cult you joined, David.
~*~ Show me one thing in the universe, just one,
only one, which is unchanging. - Jesse Hornbacher
The ignorance of Creationists. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:55:05
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ML> 8.73289174129: the cube root of the Beast
ML> 89.9139703657: the arctangent of the Beast
ML> 999...the Number of the Beast in Australia.
em> 666F: oven temperature for Roast Beast.
em> 25 or 666 to 4: Chicago tune of the Beast.
em> Phillips 666: gas station of the Beast.
FR> I get my kicks on Route 666 -- the Road of the Beast
dw> 8058666DX: Microchip of the Beast
Lions 666, Christians 0: Scoreboard of the Beast.
~*~ We're all gonna die one way or another. - John Prewett
Why don't you just give yourself a Remington tonsillectomy then?
- Shelby Sherman
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Alan Hess
|Sub: Driving over Mr. Daisy
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:56:42
EID:e5e5 224f7715
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbde1
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KY>> Seems that when this was more of a Christian society, things
KY>> were a lot better.
DW> Which time period, exactly, are you referring to?
ah> When blacks, women, Jews, gays, and other such inferiors,
ah> heathens and deviants were kept in their proper place, I suppose.
It's interesting. Every heathen who has presented the most likely time
frame has enumerated these very things. Yes, things were a lot better --
for the rich and middle class white heterosexual Christian male.
~*~ We should also teach our children the pain, horror,
and pain of atheism. - Robert Burke (Christanic death cultist)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 15 Feb 97 14:58:45
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> STEVEQ4.RAR will get you a PCX of the current version. It's not
> fantastic, but it gets the point across. :)
Man I HATE .RA fucking R files. I'd like to get that pickture yet any RAR
utility that's to be found crashes utterly on my machine.
Kill it, Steve. Kill it while you still can.
~*~ I don't care if you're a Lesbian trapped in a mans body
- Thomas Blumenstetter
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: He died but really didn't - I'm CUMMING! I'M CUMMING SWEET JESUS!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:00:42
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PID: FM 2.02
>>>DC> Try doing that with the god that died and still
>>>DC> lives that lied to you about dying.
>>AS> He didn't lie about dying. He just didn't stay dead.
dr> ROTFL!!!!
Amazing! This is the quote you commented upon, I gather. It's been added
to my quotes file.
~*~ Ah, yes. The Bible: the Christian's Mein Kampf. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Well, women? (guff!)
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:10:36
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dr> Day #6, too tired from fantasy to get out of bed.
A good summation of ___MY___ DragonFest experience!
~*~ Unless you think that sodomizing children is a better
alternative to teaching a religious belief. - Joe Savelli
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:18:10
EID:6192 224f7a45
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FR> Oh yeah... I need to get my archives sorted and indexed a bit better.
FR> I need to extract all the clergy abuse articles and place them into
FR> their own folder.
dc> I save what I get from here on 3.5's and label them via the
dc> 4-DOS file extention. Then, I catalog them with Catdisk. It's
dc> not a full description, but it does work for me.
That would work -- but I need to make things easy for Internet users doing
research. When I had the "KABOOM!" files available they were the most popular
yet after I removed them, conspiracy, evolution, and sodomizing rapist Christian
priests have been a hot "seller."
dc> What I have to remember to do is save the articles I type in!
dc> I've lost more than a few of them by that method.
Hey, chances are I have copies on file. }:-} If something is addressed
to "All" and it makes it to my system, I almost always archive it if it's
newsy.
~*~ IT IS RELIGIONS THAT INSTILL A MORAL VALUE INTO THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE
TO CONTROL THEIR HATREDS AND TO CONVERT THOSE FEELINGS INTO MORAL
VALUES OF LOVE AND COMPASSION AND CHARITY: - David Stoddard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:20:07
EID:6192 224f7a83
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FR> his money. As a television cook show type of person they didn't
FR> expect he would get much money -- not enough to pay in the millions.
FR> But Ken suggested that perhaps he's got several cookbooks and perhaps
FR> he also does the tours and such. I was thinking that as a member of
dc> I know he has a least one book published. I'm sure
dc> that there are more than just that one.
He was on KCET this morning, in fact, and I was angry. At the end of the
show KCET started pushing several of his books so I know he has more than
one.
FR> the Christian priesthood he may also get money from
fr> his sheep to help finance his nasty little habit.
dc> Not sure about that, but he also owns a restaurant and has been
dc> paid as a teacher in a work/study program. That's how the current
dc> two plaintiffs came into contact with him.
Is he an acting master? Do you know? Ken and Bob didn't say anything about
what he's doing these days and the media hasn't been flooding the public
with this one.
~*~ You claimed that Jesus was *in* you. Does he not even have the
decency to lube up before penetration? - David Worrell
Naturally I'm disgusted.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Sundance Waco Film
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:29:30
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Terry Liberty-Parker
Get out your foil hat, David! Make sure you're grounded.
TP> * Forwarded (from: INETMAIL) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd 1.10+.
dw> Seen and TANKS lately?
I'm waiting for a telephone call and, if I receive it, I'll consider forwarding
a comment to you now that I have your PGP key.
I tried telephoneing you, by the way, yet there was no answer. There's
a new product coming out from Phil Zimmerman http://www.pgp.com which allows
one's modem to be used as a secure voice telephone.
~*~ Find your peace, find your say, find the smooth road on your way.
Trust you gave, a child to save, left you cold and him in grave.
- METALLICA
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Secure digital conferencing and private mailing list for just us
|Date: 15 Feb 97 15:55:44
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MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbde9
PID: FM 2.02
Greetings fellow HolySmokers.
I should begin by saying welcome to the dozen or so fellow heathens
who have lately joined us in our efforts here... Dave Hamilton,
Mark Kimes, Roger Hunter, Jan deBoer, Ed Mills, Rod Swift, and Mark
O'Neill just to name a few... And to the few that returned after a
long vacation -- Patric Humphrey, Damien Wellman, and Becke Boyer...
Mark, Jan, Ed, Rod... I can't help but be impressed. The long-
timers help maintain consistancy over the years and the new blood
help keep the forum lively and of high quality. I hope you'll be
with us always, guys and gals.
I was just mentioning Phil Zimmerman and the new product that will be
put out coming up soon. http://www.pgp.com probably talks about the
encrypting telephone software that works through your computer's
MODEM yet I really don't know. I'm going to be talking with
Zimmerman and seeing about getting information on this puppy.
The puppy consists of talking into a microphone and software which
compresses and enciphers the voice before being sent out the MODEM.
I'm going to see if I can learn more about this product and when I
do I'll report on it here. I want to see if typical data rates over
IP-switched networks allow for immediate digital conferencing.
I mention this product because there might be some good uses to put
it to coming up fairly soon. As you all probably know, your MODEM
doesn't have to rely upon the telephone system -- direct wire and
radio packetization devices can be used cheaply and transparrently
instead of telephone wires. But then again the Internet can also be
used. This product may be a way for those of us who have started to
actually get organized to safely communicate cheaply and easilly
with those of us who are already organized -- so we can learn what
works best and what doesn't work at all.
What I'm proposing is this... Those of us on the Internet who are
interested in being activated and organized should get a mailing
list started which employs PGP to and from the main server, employing
near-fully automated proceedures. I have a proposal which I will
mail out to anyone who's interested in joining, describing the
DOS batch process which automates the encrypted mailing list. Since
a piece of software is needed, I would provide that and act as the
mailing list server.
When the technology becomes cheap enough, I propose that the
mailing list become totally encrypted voice messages broadcast to
and from each member of the list. It's store-and-forward voice so
it's technologically doable. It's over Internet so it's cheap. If
it allows for real-time digital conferencing, I want to do it NOW.
Feedback, please.
~*~ gods will never hurt you ethier will god. God saves faithful live,
and
watches you rot in HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
- David Napoli
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: ACLU News 01-30-97: Christian Coalition, Internet, And More
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:04:30
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FR> Hi, General!
FR> I wonder what the ACLU members would say if they knew that people
FR> who associate with right-wing extremist terrorist lunatics are
FR> "helping" to distribute their materials.
tlp> I'm the 'right winger' that started the 'clothing optional' apartments
tlp> in Austin Texas back in the late '70's. I did that as the hard core
tlp> libertarian that I am to this day; not exactly 'right-wing.' If
tlp> anything, I tend to classical liberal agendas; so long as they are
not
tlp> coerced by govt.
Interesting... And yes you're also the "liberal" who admitted to playing
the "Marcher On Washington Extremist" and the "liberal" who admitted to
endorsing Linda Thompson's known forgery "Waco, the Big Lie." The very
same "liberal" who wants to hold "the government" responsible for imagined
wrongs which only right-wing extremist lunatics imagine.
Do you still endorse Linda Thompson and her little band of fruitcakes?
Do you still actively suggest that people buy her forgeries while at the
same time pretending they're "the truth?" Do you still consider yourself
an associate of hers? Either ideologically or organizationally?
I would like to learn whether your position has changed over the last few
years -- now that the fruits of right-wing extremism and the actions of
your right-wing friends have been splashed over the television lately.
I would also like to know whether you're still parading up and down in front
of "government offices" pretending to be outraged. In short, I really would
like to know your position on the things I'm accusing you of.
Tell me, won't you? Set me straight as to the facts, okay?
~*~ Debate about this is irrelevant. - John Prewett (Thinks JFK will come
back to life and he, together will Henry Kissinger, will dominate the
world as an 'anti-christ.')
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Al's deliberate delusions
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:10:08
EID:7857 224f8144
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REPLY: 1:123/67.7 32ff1f20
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Say... How did you like that fundy lunatic Internet
fr> mail I forwarded to you on the Closet Bruce?
dw> I liked it. I'm sure they're not gonna
dw> like my replies very much, though. :)
Good! Except that the address was a lie... Christians will lie
about anything, it seems, when they pretend it's for their gods. As I mentioned
David R. has adopted the task of creating software for verifying return
mail addresses and I hope that the front-end (which I'll supply) will be
useable by everyone to validate email addresses before wasting valuable
time.
FR> I _think_ that guy's Rich Allen, by the way
dw> That's no surprise - you think everyone is Rich Allen. :)
But they are!
dw> Did you check that URL I sent you?
I haven't yet, no. Hell, there's a pile of work left to handle -- I'll
check it out inbetween Skeptic Tank-related work and use it as a short break.
I have several new URLs to check... One from a fundy who wants to suceed
from the United States.
FR>> Such thinking is too totally foreign. He must imagine us dirty
FR>> little heathens are constantly plotting against tender young
FR>> fundies or something.
dw>> Wouldn't surprise me at all.
FR> And not at all true, huh?
dw> Of course not. :)
And I further wonder what ever gave him that impression. }:-}
~*~ I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem to
particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart from God
even further than do pagan men. - (Jim Staal, Promise Keeper)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:14:11
EID:daf0 224f81c5
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbded
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 6cdb0a3e
PID: FM 2.02
FR> So... Tell me about this organization. What exactly do you know
FR> about what I've been up to lately? I will caution you to either think
FR> carefully about your answer else to refrain from doing so entirely.
>> I neither know, nor care what you are up to,
>> Fred, but I am sure God receives no glory by, and therefore it is
>> meaningless.
FR> In other words you did the smart thing and elected to shut your
FR> homophobic mouth before you got your ass in trouble, huh?
js> Not at all. My answer was clear: whatever it
js> is, I consider it to be quite meaningless.
So meaningless, in fact, you elected not to quote your previous allusions
of knowledge into exactly what I'm up to. So meaningless you decided not
to quote your original assertions least anyone be reminded you recanted
utterly.
Again, another wise move. You _can_ be trained.
Please feel free to speculate as to what it is you think I'm up to lately.
I wouldn't recommend presenting your opinion as fact, however.
~*~ Besides being wrong, he's probably a chicken shit too. - Kirby Nixon
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Alternate Personalities
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:20:04
EID:2343 224f8282
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbdee
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 a6817420
PID: FM 2.02
FR> "Mabon" is actually Jim Staal -- it's one of his racist personalities.
ijs> Uh...I admit to using 'Lon S. Mabon' as an alias at
ijs> one point (just to assist in getting your personal goat)
FR> Just for anyone who missed Jim Staal's admission that he's the racist
FR> bigot who used to post all those anti-Jewish hate rhetoric -- like the
FR> good little Christanic death cultist Promise Keeper he is.
js> Hey, Putz-boy, let's list 'all those anti-Jewish hate rhetoric'
js> and trot em 'all' out here so we can take a look at them!
Ah... Another denial of your alternate personalities, I see. No, you can't
be held responsible for what your alternates say, right "Doctor" Staal?
No, it wasn't _you_ who told Todd she deserved a bust in the mouth, it was
one of your alternates, right "Doctor?"
Your racist hatred and homophobic remarks are not worthy of being recorded
in the quotes file. You must say something truely silly and hateful to
rise above your typical shit level. In fact the only silly thing your "Mabon"
personality said which was _not_ a racist, homophobic remark was:
I am implying nothing, Luke. I am saying straight out he is the
imbodiment of evil. Anti-God blasphemer. - Lon S. Mabon (HolySmoke)
Your "The Jew is..." comments are not worthy of archiving.
I would caution you, however, to keep mindful of the fact that since the
begining of this year this forum _has_ and will continue to be archived
fully and that you also keep in mind that we don't allow you to pretend
your alternate personalities are responsible, not you. Further quotes about
how "The Jew is..." _will_ be archived.
~*~ S.G.A. BBS in Batesville, Arkansas is not carrying this echo.
We look forward to some very interesting discussions. - Gary Isaac
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: NAKED PAGAN RITUALS
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:21:28
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KY>> to Heaven anyway.. But then, you probably would like open season
KY>> on Christians..
RH> Do I need a special license?
DW> Yep. And there's a bag limit, too. It's done with IQ points. You've
DW> got to keep track of the IQ of each Christian you kill. When the total
dc> You realize, of course, if you score a Staal
dc> it has to add to your current year's limit!
If you bag a Staal is _deducts_ from the total accumulated.
~*~ "Join us on the dark side, Jake." - Questor Thews
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Frugel Gormet: Christian child rapist
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:22:48
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dc> A local radio station does a Mystery Quize and gives clues to
dc> get you to the answer.
dc> Today's quize's premise was:
dc> "What's hiding behin the apron of the Frugal Gourmet!"
Good! Glad to hear that there's still media attention -- however bent.
(Uh, so-to-speak.) I want the guy taken off the air and executed -- if
all the charges are undeniably and unquestionably proven or admitted to.
~*~ ... Rush Limbaugh gay? That's enough to make homosexuals homophobic.
- David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: In the twilight zone
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:26:21
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JB> And if it wasn't an EVIL fig tree, why did it have to die?
dr> For the same reason little Jesus killed some of his playmates
dr> and struck others blind. He lived in The Twilight Zone.
That's a Real Good Thing you done there, Jesus, a Real Good Thing.
~*~ Real facts never contradict faith. - Ron Stringfellow (pentecostal)
Which is why the faithful never know the facts. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: Sundance Waco Film
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:35:38
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DW> Seen and TANKS lately?
tlp> You're welcome, always; of course!
Do you think that the BATF and FBI used tanks on American citizens? If
so, do you think that there were flame throwers on these tanks?
~*~ What are the dictates of my god ? - Paul Churchill
What ever your masters say they are. - Fredric L. Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:40:19
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Paul Davis
PD> What you state may be precisely true for each and every
PD> circumstance you describe above, but maybe only for that actual
PD> event itself. What have you got to say about the results of the
PD> experiment itself?
jdb> Experiment?....I though it was a contest with
jdb> a Peter Popof prayer cloth as the consolation prize.
In fact the contest is intended to prove that thinking at deity
constructs is a pointless exercise equal in results as thinking at table
cloths.
~*~ What's wrong with Fundies? - Bruce Kazee
Not a thing. Unlike clay pigeons, they are capable of making
amusing howls whilst being shot down. HolySmoke would not be a
better place without them any more than a shooting gallery would be
improved by removing all the little tin ducks. -- Don Martin
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Conversion
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:47:56
EID:f56d 224f85fc
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ags> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You like to be butt fucked, right? But not everbody enjoys
your idea of fun, dear. Not everyone is into sweaty Alpha Male anal games,
you know... Not that I'm against homosexuals, mind you... I'm one of the
most gay friendly guys you're likely to find. It's just that I have to
wonder about people who employ the audacity of giving everyone a homosexual
lover Alpha Male deity construct.
AW> Why is it that it seems that every Christian church is trying to
AW> convert the whole world?
ags> No Christian Church is attempting any such thing.
That's quite true. Nigras, Jews, and faggies are to be executed, huh?
~*~ The only thing wrong with masturbation is loneliness. - Al Schroeder
You've never tried it in a group? :) I thought that's what the
death cult was all about! :) - Rod Swift
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:57:23
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FR> So... Tell me about this organization. What exactly do you know
FR> about what I've been up to lately? I will caution you to either
fr> think carefully about your answer else to refrain from doing so
fr> entirely.
JS> I neither know, nor care what you are up to,
JS> Fred, but I am sure God receives no glory by, and therefore it is
JS> meaningless.
rs> Is Jesse providing you with material? I could have swore that
rs> what you said above was the equivalent of "Atheists do not good
rs> deeds", and in fact, takes it to "Atheists *CANNOT* do any good
rs> deeds whatsoever!"
What's funny is that when atheists debunk theism so soundly and so easilly
as is done in this forum, it's a profound good work that only the debunked,
in their resentment, can deny.
What's important is that the fuck elected to close his trap about any specific
claims as to what I've been up to lately. I'll stand conjecture yet lies
told as statements of fact are going to have to be handled now that the
various balls have begun to roll. (If I remember, I'll email you Internet
mail some specifics.)
~*~ Well godDan! HOLYSMOKE's got more ministers per square foot
than even the most popular brothel in New Orleans. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: ACLU News 01-27-97: Bus
|Date: 15 Feb 97 16:59:39
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FR> Hi again, you fucking lunatic nut. Or should I call you "General" now?
Strange. He didn't answer me.
DW> General? Do you know something about the fruitcake that you
DW> haven't shared with the rest of us?
rs> Generals may, or may not, command battalions of TANKS!!! :)
rs> Rod "...hehehehe" Swift :)
}:-} But these have flame throwers mounted on them! HONEST! I mean,
would a right-wing extremist "liberal" fundamentalist lunatic LIE?!
~*~ When you cannot use facts to demonstrate that something
is true, just label it "spiritual". - Sean McCullough
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Focus on the Family mind control cult
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:01:53
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fR> Nearly every race hate organization in the United
FR> States is a Christian organization which meets in
FR> Christanic churches. The KKK, Aryan Nations, Church of
FR> Jesus Christ Christian, all the Identity brand names,
FR> the Sword and the Cross, Mormons, Baptists, Focus on
FR> the Family... they're all hate organizations, Ken, and
FR> every one of them Christian.
KY> All hate organizations? Even Focus On the Family?!?
rs> Ever seen any of their anti-Semitic ranting?
Or their homophobic hatred. Or their hatred of blacks, Mexicans, and women.
KY> And, oh yes, a "hate group" is one of hatred towards other
KY> groups, not necessarily just a group that disagrees with
KY> your beliefs.
rs> Oh, well, FotF makes it in for their anti-gay stances :) :)
They also have a strong focus on getting women out of the work place. There
are books which the mind control cult sells which are specifically geared
toward "helping" women stay at home and not have to work.
I'll bet real money that part of that is paying their masters more money
so that they get "rewards" and not have to work two jobs.
~*~ If Noah couldn't have gotten all 'those' animals in
the ark.... then how do they exist? - John Clifton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: SKEPTIC TANK FILES ON
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:13:22
EID:04a8 224f89ab
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbdf9
PID: FM 2.02
bb> Tried using your new feature to request some files, instead
bb> of transfering the form data into an e-mail, it just brought
bb> up a blank e-mail box. And when I tried to send you e-mail
bb> to ask you about it, it wouldn't send the e-mail to you for
bb> some reason. Is there any alternate way to request files?
I've been learning that several web browsers out in the real world simply
don't support the mailto: action on forms yet. It's an HTML 3.0 specification
addition in a world that still mostly runs 2.0... But it'll happen.
Netscape handles the mailto: action. What browser software are you using?
I have more software which scans inbound messages for file names and searches
for them then sends them along -- pretty much automatically. If you send
a list of files that'll work almost as well.
~*~ Try again, Kim. Only next time, try the truth instead of a lie.
- David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: ACLU News 01-30-97: Christian Coalition, Internet, And More
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:14:45
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TlP> I'm the 'right winger' that started the 'clothing optional'
tlp> apartments in Austin Texas back in the late '70's.
dw> Were these apartments guarded by TANKS?
With flame throwers mounted on them, sent by Janet Reno and the New World
Order.
~*~ Butting heads with fundies is best left to Goats - Styx Allum
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Sundance Waco Film
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:19:04
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DW>> Seen and TANKS lately?
TlP> You're welcome, always; of course!
dw> And you're still a fucking loon, of course.
But expected, wasn't it?
~*~ Forgive him, Father. He knows not what he does. - Clayton Davis
I am =NOT= your father! You're someone else's bastard. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: TIME Atheist Article
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:20:34
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TlP> Response to TIME Magazine article on the Murray-O'Hair's. The TIME
TlP> article was not very informative, and indicates a lazy, indifferent
dw> Did the article mention TANKS?
I see we have us a little project going on, huh?
I'm going to see if I can get a positional statement from the guy -- see
where he's standing lately now that the Oklahoma bombers are known to be
among the ranks of his fellow right-wing extremists.
~*~ I'm sorry I refuse to answer your question. - Marguerite Kendall
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Fiction, you nut!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:24:53
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JF>> Also, events such as the Amityville Horror are a little TOO real to
JF>> deny his existence. If you recall, the family that was living there
JF>> had to LEAVE because the house was quite literally going nuts.
FR> That book is a work of fiction, you ignorant savage!
sq> That's pretty hateful of you.
Yeah, well tell Jesse that the truth is neither hateful or kind.
The guy's still here... I can FEEL him!
sq> James Brolin and Margot Kidder must shake their heads and
sq> wonder how they still get jobs after having made that movie.
The people who created the hoax recanted after the money dried up and the
people who currently live in the house are continually angry at the lunatics
who come by and knock on the door every damn day.
I say they should open up a park and charge these ignorant idiots money
somehow. }:-}
FR> entertainment into your occultism. From Dante's Inferno to Omen to
fr> Lynda Blaire -- you lunatics always work fictional entertainment
fr> pieces into your occult ignorance.
sq> I don't quite think that Dante intended the
sq> Inferno as a "fictional entertainment piece." :)
No? What about Milton? Somewhere on my shelfs I have collected works from
both and I really must walk through them. David dropped off NINE boxes
of books and I haven't even cataloged them.
sq> BTW, that reminds me: On your web site, you refer to my system as
sq> "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'intrate." You must have gotten that
sq> from my EMSI handshake. It's the most famous line from the Inferno:
sq> "Abandon all hope ye who enter [here]." The system is called
sq> "Valencia." You know, the city in "El Cid." I wonder how many fundies
sq> think that the Cid died and then was placed atop his horse to lead the
sq> locals into battle against Herbert Lom's forces of evil.
I've only seen El Cid once. Even then the quality of the video was so bad
that I missed a lot of it.
~*~ Your own science has found fossilized fish on the tops of HIGH
mountains. Do you think they took up mountain climbing some 70
gagillion years ago? - Greg Waggy (A New Age Creationist)
Yeah! Explain that, you atheist satanist!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: I can't take this any more!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:27:32
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FR> I've been living a lie. I can't continue to lie any longer.
FR> I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I'M PROUD OF IT!
rm> April 1 came early this year.
FR>
rm> I have come to the realization that Al is wrong - you're not trolling.
It has been my experience that trolls don't work as hard as I do.
And man, Al's got many other problems that needs to be addressed first,
though. His paranoid tirade about how I select my __random__ quotes to rub
his nose into being "from the south" was only his latest bizarre lunatic
rant. He seems to have taken a random quote extracted from the archives
personally and he needs to work through his paranoia.
Since it's pseudo-random I could blame the quote appearing in the message
to him on his own gods.
He's now got _real_ problems to worry about without concocting Rice conspiracies.
(Which is funny, really, since the HolySmoke Central Committee has had three
organized conspiracies, none of which targeted Al. I see you're not on
the list but did you hear about the previous conspiracies? If not drop
me an Internet email address if you have one and I'll let you know what
we did.) When Al's the focus of a HSCC conspiracy, he'll know it. }:-}
rm> You are just pretending to be a troll to see
rm> if you can get a reaction out of anyone.
rm> Take care.
It actually works if one selects a better template, though. The "Pray Contest"
was a good one and dragged at least two fundies out of the woodwork which
we wouldn't have seen expose themselves any other way. I didn't get any
with this one... far too lame and obvious. I have a better idea but I
need a follow-up plan for if it backfires. }:-} And I need to solicit
some help from someone.
~*~ We already have the necessary proof - the Scriptures. God has already
told us what happened. Why do we need further proof. - Derek Williams
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cooks / NAMBLA
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:29:11
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FR> One of the NAMBLA believer postings that I reviewed covered
FR> his homosexual relationship with a 26 or 29 year old man
FR> while at the age of 14 or 15.
mb> NAMBLA-types aren't in the least interested in 45-year-olds.
mb> Their motto is "by 8 it's too late," or words to that effect.
And to hell with the physical and emotional damage.
mb> They are a bunch of pedophiles who want their
mb> brand of sickness legalized, and nothing more.
Undeniably so. Their latest is to demand they're "fighting for children's
rights." For that they could join any existing child-rights advocacy group.
I'm still participating in the gay echos, and learning quite a bit. There
is a great deal of hatred and fear directed toward the gay populace and
yet in the newsgroups the gays respond far too politely and rationally for
my tastes.
~*~ Do you have any evidence that Wiccans or Pagans eat people, Jesse?
- Fredric Rice
Read up on Africa. It might be an education for you. - Jesse Hornbacher
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:30:09
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PID: FM 2.02
Ken Young
DW> Prove Santa Claus doesn't exist.
ky> Well, he was a real person, but pretty good proof he no longer
ky> exists is that one cannot find one kid that was visited by him.
Hey, everyone! Santa Claus really existed in Ken's world!
~*~ Luke 14:26 is pretty good: "Whoever comes to me and does not hate
father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes,
and even life itself, cannot be my disciple." (NRSV) See too, Matt.
19:29.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Lack of Evidences for any Gods
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:31:38
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> I wasn't going to get into this "evidences" question, but so many of you
> have
> written me & asked me for evidences of God that I just had to reply.
> Here is just a little of the evidence that I have to offer. Let us
> consider
> the following statement:
You posted a lot of opinions from people who believe that their deity constructs
exist... How about posting that evidence you claimed to have that these
gods of yours actually exist?
We already know that people believe in superstition, Darryl... We don't
need any further evidence of that. We're asking for evidence that your
deity constructs exist.
Got any? Any at all?
~*~ No need to pity me. Jesus gives me all the help I need. - Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:32:55
EID:ef6a 224f8c1b
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PID: FM 2.02
CJ> We've established that Jesus did not need a penis to piss.
JS> What was He supposed to do? Spit out the urine?
FR> Is that what your masters tell you women do, pig?
js> I have no earthly master but the Lovely Wilbur [tm].
FR> You've stopped going to your death cult church, have you, pig?
js> i know of no 'death cult church'. (keep your namecalling
js> for the guy you see in the mirror in the morning)
Eventually you'll be able to convince yourself, successfully ignoring all
of your death cult's bloody and tyranical hustory and your own seething
hatreds.
~*~ yet the Resus monkey can hold a conversation in English
once his vocal cords are alterd - Dan Lafferty
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: jesus dead...
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:33:36
EID:394f 224f8c32
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 170bbe03
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PID: FM 2.02
> ... Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and for ever.- Heb. 13:8
Yeah, dead.
~*~ Freedom to engage in voluntary school sacrifices. - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealous ignorant
|Date: 15 Feb 97 17:56:03
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REPLY: 1:100/435.1 80040601
PID: FM 2.02
jb> What do you like about the Jeep?
FR> You can throw it off of a high building and it will float gently down
FR> to the sidewalk below without getting hurt -- if it concentrates hard
FR> enough.
jb> Uh.... Mine -was- a serious question....
Due to your idiotic occultic superstitions, anything you say can't be taken
seriously. Sorry. Hell, I might as well call you Bill Wolff since there
seems to be not an iota of difference between you two.
~*~ Thanks for allow me to post this Fido News! - Martin Riley
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: SKEPTIC TANK
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:02:20
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bb> check out http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8179/ if you like
I'll check it! I've made a note. There. I checked it. It's not complete!
But I like the opening and have removed Al's entry in my list and put yours
in.
bb> and "patriarchy.html", "kooky.html" and "fundie.html"). At any rate,
bb> I've run across a shitload of bizarre text files that you _don't_
bb> have, and pertain to pretty much the subjects you have up there now.
bb> If you like, I can e-mail them your way as I come across them. Let
bb> me know.
I would love to get a copy of everything you have, in fact. In fact I am
expecting to put another 14,000 + files available in the next month -- all
of Ryan Shaw's archives. I need good solid materials for the second Skeptic
Tank.
I'm specifically targeting right-wing extremist groups this month and will
be getting files from the FBI and BATF on groups and individuals. If you
have anything along those lines I would love to see you prioritize sending
along those!
bb> Also, before I forget, do you mind me putting a link to your page from
bb> mine? (Just to get an idea of what kind of page mine is, the working
bb> title is "Why I Am Not a Christian") Let me know about this as well.
Perfect! I'll do so tonight, in fact, and drop you an email message --
if I can find your email address in my notes. I have bjones@ee.net. I'll
check that against anything in your web pages which indicate a different
address.
~*~ You know next to nothing about the theory like every other Fundie
I've run across before you. - George Rudzinski. Then you obviously
have meet some very knowledgeable fundies. - Raoul Newton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: "TRUE" CHRISTIAN HATRED
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:03:05
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FR> homosexuals. There's a book you might look for, "The
fr> Death Penalty is Proscribed for Homosexuals in the Bible."
bb> Let me guess...written by Peter J. Peters, right?
That's the one! I looked some time ago about getting a free copy of it
yet I couldn't find a Christian church willing to hand them out for free.
~*~ Must go, Elvis wants to use the phone. - Paul Feonic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianity, buttfuck
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:04:24
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FR> ~*~ Take a hard look at the Grand Canyon. try to explain
FR> that through evolution. - Freddie Cash
em> LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL! LOL!
em> I take it he doesn't believe in erosion, either?
Or plate tectonics or continental uplift. He read the ICR idiocy, I'll
bet, and wants to pretend the Grand Canyon in the United States proves "the
flood."
Fun, huh?
~*~ There are alot of people on this board who will one day get the shock
of their life when the are standing before God, and he reads back their
posts, and asks them to give account of what they said. I wish I could
be there.... - Doug Brewer
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: I can't take this any more!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:05:00
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FR> I've been living a lie. I can't continue to lie any longer.
FR> I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I'M PROUD OF IT!
em> Uh, April 1st isn't for about six weeks yet, is it? :)
I'm working up to it, getting as much practice as possible before the main
event. And I have another idea which might actually work well enough to
drag every Goat damned fundy out of the woodwork... Except that I need
a cohort and an escape plan.
~*~ Would you like to concoct another opinion and stuff
it down Hawking's throat? - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: NDE'S AND HALLUCINATIONS
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:10:49
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rh> I'd have to question this. The studies I've read note that the
rh> experience is the same REGARDLESS of the cultural expectations.
FR> The bright light and sound is consistant across cultural backgrounds
FR> yet how the brain interprets the noise is dependant upon the culture.
rh> That I can accept. I meant that the tunnel and light was experienced
rh> even by atheists, Jews, Hindus and others whose cultures dictate
rh> otherwis.
Yeah, I would expect that, yes. We _have_ had fundies come through here
expressing their belief in terms of having experienced such visions after
a physical trama. And sleep-paralysis-induced belief in deities has also
been commented upon here as well.
At one point I was collecting accounts of the phenomena. One woman who
experienced a strobe-light effect lighting a backyard picknic accompanied
by an audio component offered me her account. She didn't know she was asleep
as she apparently had been dreaming she was at the picknic she really was
at (much like people dream of driving when they fall asleep behind the wheel.)
I suggested she ask about the phenomena in Skeptic Magazine and her letter
to the editor did get published -- yet Michael Shermer, the editor, didn't
even attempt to address the phenomena. Indeed, he was mildly rude about
the letter the woman sent. She wanted informational background and references
and Michael suggested psychological therapy, as I recall.
FR> Check Blackmore out, though... there are also many reference to find
FR> on hypnopompic and hypnagogic hallucinations in magazines and articles
FR> one is likely to find in the library.
rh> She's on my list, but at the moment her books are both checked out.
From her articles in various magazined, she seems somewhat of a dry read,
more technical and informational than exciting.
~*~ I fully give him the right to call the Bible a load of bullshit...
Just NOT to someone who believes in it. - Dan Sereduick
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:14:43
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FR> So it seems. I see that PBS is still keeping his reruns on
FR> the air/cable. This is a surprise since this particular
FR> case had some publicity.
rs> Just the other day my wife and I caught the episode of his
rs> where he and Elmo (from Sesame Street) make pizzas together.
rs> We kept shouting things at the TV like: "Oh, No, Elmo . . .
rs> watch out for his hands!", etc.
Look out for his pepperoni! Don't let him hide the pepperoni!
rs> Our kids had no idea what we were talking about.
rs> We were convulsing with laughter.
Of course you were. Sad, huh? The guy isn't in jail, still has
millions of bucks, and still appears on television. Er, but then the same
can be said for Jim Swaggart, Bakker, Oral Roberts et al.
I want to see the guy get punished yet so far there has been little media
coverage and even less public outrage.
~*~ Running DOS on a system with 16 megs is like using the Bible as a
guide for day to day life. - C. J. Henshaw
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:21:11
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EM>> Who's Diana Rigg? (We only had one channel where I grew up.)
DM> Ah, an impoverished upbringing, I see. Look for reruns of a
DM> British adventure series from the 60s called _The Avengers_,
sq> We're talking -jerkoff- material here. Remember the "Hellfire"
sq> episode where she was dressed up as the "Queen of Sin," complete with
sq> whip and spiked collar? Yow ow ow!
Oh man. I never saw that one yet I do recall the many ways she used her
leather-clad unending legs on the bad boys.
Cat woman! Stand aside!
~*~ The fucking *bilge* *pumps* just abandoned ship - I distinctly heard
'em say "T'hell with this shit, every pump for itself" as they jumped
overboard! - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: witch burnings
|Date: 15 Feb 97 18:57:45
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FR> In fact, I would _love_ to have fundies post rants about me and post
jb> Rants I wouldn't mind, Fred. What Al has done has
jb> the potentiality to get someone killed. (seriously)
If that's the case, you probably shouldn't have given him any warning about
investigating legal cases against him.
I know how much this problem has upset and angered you. I've been lazy
and busy enough not to find the time to check the web pages -- or to participate
in #holysmoke, for that matter, ever since I started getting the house and
the Skeptic Tank organized and collected together into a serious concern.
FR> There's no such thing as private email when talking about Internet and
FR> IRC. The only way to make email private is to encrypt it -- even then
jb> I know that...you know that. Has it ever
jb> stopped Al from complaining before?
But it's idiotic! When someone gets on the damn radio and makes a broadcast
to literally millions of people, they have to be silly to make any noise
about privacy later.
FR> I do the same thing with the Quotes archives I maintain -- over 700
by
jb> You quote the person's words...not what you believe was
jb> their mental state, their emotions and their motivations
jb> at the time of writing it.
You've got me seriously curious. While it's true curiousity killed the
cat, it's equally true that loathsome rituals brought it back.
jb> These materials have the potentiality to get someone killed.
jb> For all that Holysmoke is an international echo, it is still
jb> limited in its general appeal. A page about comic books on
jb> the web is much broader in scope and would bring in more
jb> readers. (Yes, I AM getting to the point) And Al did
jb> not use just the stories of people here...he also described
jb> (from his POV, of course, and with HIS spin) the lives of a
jb> couple people he works with.
jb>
jb> What happens if one of us happens to be hiding from an abuser,
jb> Fred? Who happens to recognize us through Al's words?
It's a possibility, true, and I think I understand the reason for your anger.
I will launch carrier right now and go check out the web page.
FR> I would love to hear what your lawyers have to say, however, and I
FR> will check out his pages and see what he's been up to. If he's really
jb> Well, he removed the page. Susan said there's not enough for
jb> an individual suit but quite a case for a class action.
Well, if Al removed the offending materials I would be satisfied with the
acknowledgement of a wrong doing and an apology. Fact is, however, that
thousands of people can have copies of the pages sitting in their cookie
files their web browsers maintain. The page can resurface at any time anywhere.
Additionally web crawlers will have made copies of it and will continue
to reference it until the next time they are launched to walk that ISP.
jb> Now the page is mostly complaints about the questions he's
jb> been asked here that he really doesn't want to answer. His
jb> way of not answering them to the world, while pretending to
jb> be puzzled and hurt that anyone would 1) ask them to begin
jb> with and 2) not accept his pronouncements when he does answer.
Aw, how sad. The fundy shuffle and the old soft shoe.
I'm gone to check it out.
~*~ We got you, Jesse. You belong to us now. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: witch burnings
|Date: 15 Feb 97 20:31:39
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I just checked his web page and there's nothing strange. I didn't go down
the various links yet it looks like he cleaned it up whatever it was. In
fact his web pages are so fucking ___LAME___ and utterly pointless that
I removed the link from my own links page.
~*~ Here, stand behind my Blasphemy Shield! - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: "Terry Liberty-Parker"
|Date: 15 Feb 97 20:57:49
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We've all seen "Terry" post his right-wing extremist lunatic rants about
the
United States government using tanks on American citizens and we've all
seen the outrageous conspiracy beliefs the guy _seems_to_ maintain. (We
didn't seem to have helped educate him as to what a tank is, by the way,
and I haven't been able to get an honest answer about his support of flame
throwers being mounted on these tanks of his. (Perhaps we'll get an update
soon.))
Most of us also know that the guy has claimed to have paraded around in
front of some "government offices" in some kind of "protest" of couple of
years ago. That shows good dedication and civic-minded duty, of course;
something to be admired, certainly.
Now we're informed straight from the horses's mouth that he's really a "liberal"
who helped get "an appartment" clothing optional. What he didn't tell us
is that he calls himself a Libertarian and that he continues to propagate
the right-wing extremist ideologies right along side various leftist ideologies
(such as the defeat of the infamous CDA.)
Terry is a complex animal and not quite the lunatic nut he appears to be
here in this forum -- if what I've collected from many sources is at all
truthful.
He also didn't tell us that his name pulls-up associations with right-wing
extremist organizations (such as the so-called "COMMITTEE FOR WACO JUSTICE")
and right-wing, racist extremist individuals (such as our own beloved Matthew
Giwer.)
Check Internet through any search engine you use for "PHOAKS"
People Helping One Another Know Stuff
And just make a guess at what this guy "helps people know." Then perform
searches on the name he uses and you'll notice other right-wing extremist
groups and individuals who reference that name. Then follow names of organizations
and individuals provided in those paths. A picture forms and it's not exactly
the "liberal" freedom fighting Hero of America the guy seems to think he
is.
What's interesting is the fairly new twist on the whole so-called "milita"
lunatics running amuck among us. While advocating "justice" for the members
of government they believe to be part of conspiracies against the citizenship,
they have receintly started calling themselves leftist terms and titles
-- due, I would suspect, to the need to distance themselves from the history
of right- wing extremism. (Many mock "milita" lunatic groups demand that
there's no such thing as "right-wing extremism" -- it's all a clever construct
of the no-doubt Jew-infested Media; capitalize that word!) and part of the
New World Order (capitalize that, too!)
I'm expecting a summation of the guy's ideologies and hope that he'll step
forward and correct any misconceptions I've managed to pick up from reviewing
his illiterate rants and his web pages. I'm also fleshing-out my right-wing
extremist archives and am asking that if anyone has any TLP materials on
archive to please send me a copy (perhaps TLP will send everything he's
got -- that would be good.)
If anyone comes across other right-wing extremist materials, I would love
to get a copy so I can really build-up that folder. As the year 2000 approaches,
we can expect more domestic terrorism from these groups.
~*~ If I shoot his wife because I'm trying to scare him out of his
hiccups, I haven't really killed her. - Jason Rosendale (Debunking
a fundy claim about intent to do wrong.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Screams from hell!
|Date: 15 Feb 97 21:32:46
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KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an
KY> interesting possibility, there have been many to say they heard
KY> torturous screams of agony when they dug too deep in the earth..
ky> Now, if that is so, could it be Hell? If not, what are those sounds
ky> coming from?
DW>I wanted to make damn sure you saw this :)
kw> Could someone make sure that Marty sees this?
kw> His response should be delightfully entertaining.
I will if no one else beats me to it!
~*~ I am serving Jesus? - Clayton Davis
How should I know what you are having for dinner tonight. - DAN CEPPA
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Quote
|Date: 15 Feb 97 21:35:10
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rs> I am indeed honoured, Fredric. Thank you.
FR> Hey, imagine 4,000 years from now when the QUOTES.CFG file is
FR> unearthed and scientists decode the text and read your name.
FR> They will be in awe at your wizdum.
dw> There's an idea for an SF story... archeologists uncover your message
dw> archives. What conclusions do you think they'd come to about the whole
dw> mess?
There there was no intelligent life on Earth and that they CAN'T be related
to us... Just CAN'T!
~*~ ...the existence of fools doesn't say much about
the existence of gods. - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: The Davidian Christians
|Date: 15 Feb 97 21:59:12
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RS> Bullshit. Many ex-Davidians had reported the acts perpetrated
RS> inside the cult's ranks. There'd even been quite indepth
RS> journalist reports into the cult's activities, the division and
RS> rift that formed that led Vernon Howell to the leadership of the
RS> cult and the ousting of previous cult leaders, etc, etc.
JS> But there was no proof.
FR> But there was a great deal of evidence.
rs> Don't confuse the boy with evidentiary statements, Fred.
rs> He'll explode and claim something about TANKS, or,
rs> Goat-forbid, HOPPERS!
Ah tanks... With flame throwers on them, run by men specifically
looking to destroy the American Way of Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of
fuck fuck fucking men, women, and children for the gods when, as, if, and
whatever position law-abiding Americans see fit. And tax exempt, to boot!
Star Goat sits back and shakes his head at the lunacy that people are capable
of believing. Really. The Linda Thompson lunatic (the same one that called
for an armed take-over of Washington -- which was "recalled" to specifically
engineer winding-up lunatic right-wing extremists to murder) is _STILL_
parading her fraud video tape, "Waco: The big lie" where tanks are outfitted
with flame throwers. Now the unsalted "Hate Queen" nut has a "part two."
rs> You say that so boldly. Wasn't there a congressional investigation?
FR> Only of investigations into the slaughter of these
FR> Christians. The cult themselves had been investigated a
FR> number of times for child abuse and sexual molestation by
FR> Child Protective Services and had been pronounced clean all
FR> times.
rs> But Koresh did like to marry them young. Then
rs> there is the question of fidelity and bigamy :) :)
But _legally_ the females were his wives; he adopted the Christian ritual
for each and every one of them from the ages of (as I recall) 10 years old
on up. In the Great State of Texas the legality of this situation, as I
understand it, revolves around the parent(s), not the child. If the parent
grants consent, as I understand it, it's a done deal. There are still enclaives
of Mormon cultists which adopt this practice with variations -- usually
they don't "collect" the boys and girls at such a young age.
Texas is a bit strange and different than the rest of the States. Perhaps
someone will clue me to my misconceptions yet Texas is the only State which
retained the right to leave the Union. It's still legal to drink and drive
in Texas without getting stopped for an "open container."
FR> The rift stemmed from the grave extraction of someone
FR> somewhat reciently dead which the "rightful heir" to Mt.
FR> Carmel would bring back to life. While the cult leaders
FR> were being charged with grave robbing the other leader got
FR> arrested and imprisoned on unrelated charges allowing
FR> Vernon total control.
rs> Well, there was a power struggle for control of the cult that
rs> split it right down the middle, I do know that. It was reported
rs> widely that when Vernon got control... well, it all went to hell.
rs> The good thing is that it went to hell in a big fireball :) :)
I would love to see Janet Reno and her fellow cohorts executed for their
part in the fiasco yet I haven't been entirely successful as disabsolving
the Davidian nuts from complicity in their own deaths. But there are some
things we just can't answer and will probably never get answered. The other
leader nut is still in jail, the last I heard... When he gets out he's
the rightful leader of the cult.
Was it true that the Davidians spread gasoline around the compound? I have
heard a lot of claims yet the truth about various claims and pieces of the
puzzle will probably never get answered.
FR> Immediately after he gained control he announced that all
FR> of the females from age 10 on up were his wives. In the
FR> State of Texass this is permitted so long as a parent
FR> grants concent for a minor (I don't know how he got around
FR> the monagamy laws, if any.)
rs> Texas is a strange place :) :)
I want to hear from someone who knows the Texas laws in this reguard. Also
from what I've been able to gather the firearms and munitions they had stockpiled
were all legal in the Great State of Texas (and in Arizona and other States.)
Really I'm finding it hard to find a reason to wipe out the Davidians.
A legal reason, that is. Yet I can't escape the conclusion that the FBI
and BATF and Janet Reno are guilty of deliberate murder. If the Davidians
were rapeing children illegally, that would be just cause I think for executing
the rapists. Problem was there didn't seem to be any rape and, if there
was, it seems to have been legally permitted -- even though CPS investigated
several times.
And the tactics used against the Davidians? That alone should be cause
for the BATF and FBI participants -- and their leaders -- to be up on charges
of civil, Constitutional, and human rights violations. But then so should
George Bush and Ronald Reagan and Oliver North for their crimes against
the country.
FR> Come to think of it, the other leader was running a drug
FR> lab at Mt. Carmel and Vernon turned him in. The
FR> investigation after the slaughter turned up many
FR> allegations yet no criminal actions could been proven.
rs> But we all know religion gets special treatment before the law.
Hell, the O. J. Simpson jury was paraded past a Christian bible in Simpson's
living room -- a copy of the mythologies deliberately placed their by the
O. J. defense team to make the jury think Simpson is a Christian.
rs> Just look at all the cries and screams from churches to "correct"
rs> their own padophilic priests, instead of sending them to jail
rs> where Big Bobo will give them the same lovin' feeling that they
rs> gave the little kids they molested.
rs> Sick, isn't it.
I've actually seen some Christanics suggest an end to "ministry" until the
problem of clergy rape gets solved. But I haven't seen any Christian masters
state the desire to hand over these creeps to the law; yeah, they want to
"fix" the problem internally -- costs less.
~*~ A year long global flood? Sure...Why is there no evidence then? - ML
Umm... "the evidence was destroyed in the flood." - Styx Allum
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Promisefilth
|Date: 15 Feb 97 22:04:20
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RS> I'm the mortal enemy of alt.org.promisekeepers. The PromiseFilth
RS> in that newsgroup don't like dissenting opinion -- to the point
RS> of cancelling my posts...
I've dedicated myself to the destruction of America On Line. And lately
to the abolishment of the IRS. }:-}
JS> Poor baby. Maybe if your arguments dealt with fact instead of
js> some Fred Rice preconcieved bull shit, it might be different.
FR> And let's just forget everything the cult
FR> leaders have been recorded saying and what the cult
FR> actually stands for.
rs> :) BOC! :) That's right. :) :)
Yep! After taking notes from a radio interview by the cult's leader I typed
up the interview and posted it here. The response from the Promise Keeper
bigots? "IS NOT!"
After I fucking took notes of an interview straight from the fucking leader's
mouth and faithfully reported the clown's own words they wouldn't accept
the truth about the cult.
rs> Oh, I'm in league with Fred Rice now?
FR> Welcome to the club! }:-} Here's your acordian.
rs> Wooo! :)
}:-}
rs> For the record, I was posting such wonderful things as news
rs> reports about the Promisefilth, and their abusive and violent
rs> attendees :)
Come to think of it, I should launch a new web page.
FR> The only reason why any woman would think the cult has
fr> virtue is because she doesn't know what they're about
fr> or she's been beaten into submission (often literally)
fr> and isn't allowed to form her own opinion of the cult.
rs> Allowed to think? Shouldn't they be chained
rs> to the kitchen sink pumpin' out "unabortives"?
Yetch! In the kitchen?! Shouldn't they do it outside in the corn field?
~*~ It is ironic as all get-out that it is up to the atheists, Pagans,
and Jews to educate Christians about Christianity and the Bible.
- David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 15 Feb 97 22:19:43
EID:afc1 224fb275
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FR> I get my kicks on Route 666 -- the Road of the Beast
rs> Isn't that in New Mexico...
Good ole' Texass! They got everthin'!
~*~ Saving your soul by losing your mind -- how droll. - Robery Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: R Daily Xtian Persecutio
|Date: 15 Feb 97 22:32:21
EID:3295 224fb40a
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 17148490
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FR> Why in the hell would a Wiccan even THINK about marrying a
FR> Christian?!!!
rs> Hey, I have no friggin' idea anymore. We HAVE been very
rs> Xtian-friendly in the past, which may have been a mistake. I
rs> should tell you the story sometime about how we learned the
rs> Scientologists were bad news, back when we were
rs> Scientologist-friendly. We are no longer that way now.
Imagine... I know that there isn't any real reason why the two aren't compatible
yet it seems to be an invitation to disaster.
rs> This has got to be the most twisted codependent relationship
rs> that I've ever seen. Somewhere down the line, my friend is
rs> totally fucked in the head. No doubt about it. And it
rs> happened over the space of a year, I think. When I first
rs> knew her, she was a sassy and assertive bitch redhead. She
rs> was fun. Now she's a lump of pudding.
Sounds like she learned her place -- according to the men who created the
religion for her.
It's bad when it happens to a family member.
[...cuts...]
rs> It scares me, quite a bit. I have to wonder if there are
rs> aspects of that in my life, in my relationship. I don't
rs> like to think there are, but I understand that there is more
rs> than physical abuse . . .
These questions have been explored to various extents in this forum. Why
do women stay with men who hate them and beat them? Why do some women _want_
to be oppressed? But then it's not entirely a female thing either... some
males want to play Beta to any Alpha which will dominate them.
As I recall the last round of discussions on these issues pretty much concluded
that marriage is a window of opportunity for a huge mistake that, when the
woman has no marketable skills, is the mistake of a life time. Stuck in
a marriage with a pig becomes compounded when there are children which must
be fed, housed, clothed, and educated. A woman can not always leave whereas
the man always seems to be able to without any serious difficulties. A
man can always pick up a shovel and get working. A woman can find work
cleaning hotel rooms but then she must take care of the kids...
But there seems to be a percentage of women who are abused by husbands who
could walk away freely but don't.
While watching primate behavior on television I couldn't help but associate
the monkeys and baboon with humans... the Alpha Male demanded respect and
ritual positioning from the males and woe be it to any female in the group
who was caught just LOOKING at another male. The female who is caught too
many times gets "corrected" by bites to the neck and man were those female
baboons seriously in lock-step with the Alpha after being corrected!
If the female didn't scream she was bit harder or had her throat ripped
out -- natural selection among the primates; something we seem (as humans)
to have not entirely escaped.
~*~ Not to mention the redoubtable Zip-Loc principle. When it
turns green, quit already! - Don Martin
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|From: Ken Greene
|To: All
|Sub: Joining In Today!
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:21:00
EID:53e3 2253baa0
TID: InterEcho 1.19 00000000
MSGID: 1:106/4015.0 6a6cd6f0
* Crossposted from: CHESS
This BBS now opens this conference to it's users.
... Ken.Greene@usa.net Fidonet 1:106/4015 GTPN 001/085 281-589-2991
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 17 Feb 97 17:14:00
EID:4309 225189c0
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> Works for Al, why not me?
RH> See his web page for further input.
DC> I would, but I don't have access to Internet as yet. (Ask
DC> Judith, she picks on me about that all of the time!)
You don't have Internet?? How can you stand that?
Actually, I don't either and won't, until I pay may bill.
... The last thing I saw was this Big Blue Wave!
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: All
|Sub: Psalm 68:18 / Act 1:9
|Date: 18 Feb 97 12:55:00
EID:7555 225266e0
PID: RA 2.5
MSGID: 1:225/360 58a84432
NOTE: IceEdit 1.40 [Eval]
PRAISE GOD !
PROPHECY: - The Messiah will ascend to heaven.
"Thou hast ascended on high."
FULFULLMENT: "He [Jesus] was lifted up while they were looking on,
and a cloud received Him out of their sight."
The heaven declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork.
(Psalm 19:1)
Jesus Saves North Bay, ONT.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Evidences for God
|Date: 19 Feb 97 17:20:20
EID:c360 22538a80
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b3654
-> On 14 Feb 97 17:16:00, Darryl Gonzalez got back to David Worrell
DW> Just because people better educated than you believe in God doesn't
DW> mean that God exists. After all, people better educated than you
DW> believe in Allah, too. Does that, according to Darryl-logic, mean
DW> that he exists, too?
DG> No, it does not mean that Allah exists. But as to the question of
Does that mean that Allah does not exist? If that is what
you meant, why not. After all, it's the same "logic" that
you are using to show that your god exists.
DG> mean that Gopd exists. What it DOES mean is that there in fact may
be
DG> scientific evidence that God exists. At the very least, it lends
Then, stop dancing around and provide the evidence.
... You are not preaching to sheep here, which is why your leg is missing
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 19 Feb 97 22:52:26
EID:f90b 2253b680
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b842a
-> On 15 Feb 97 08:35:14, Martin Goldberg got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>>> agree about the eating of tripe. There are just some
DC>>> things that no one should have to stomach.
MG>>> It takes intestinal fortitude.
DC>> I'll save your comment for the appendix of my next book.
MG>> Another high liver, I see.
DC> There are one duodenum around, I think.
MG> It gets bladder and bladder...
Just colon can we keep this shit up?
... "I dont't think that Jesus would have gone for this shit." M Glodberg
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 19 Feb 97 22:57:52
EID:b4b4 2253b720
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8570
-> On 15 Feb 97 10:18:10, Fredric Rice got back to Dan Ceppa
dc> 4-DOS file extention. Then, I catalog them with Catdisk. It's
FR> That would work -- but I need to make things easy for Internet users
FR> doing research. When I had the "KABOOM!" files available they were
Go ahead, keep on bringing up the Internet. See if my poor
little computer cares. :(
dc> What I have to remember to do is save the articles I type in!
FR> addressed to "All" and it makes it to my system, I almost always
FR> archive it if it's newsy.
It wasn't newsy, for sure. The one I'd like is a copy of my
original Shroud of Turin pun post, about 2 1/2 or 3 years ago.
I can't remember if I addressed that one to ALL, though.
... +Origin: Swiss Bible... holier than cheeses on a cross.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:01:25
EID:b4b4 2253b820
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8645
-> On 15 Feb 97 10:20:07, Fredric Rice got back to Dan Ceppa
FR> But Ken suggested that perhaps he's got several cookbooks and perhaps
dc> I know he has a least one book published. I'm sure
FR> He was on KCET this morning, in fact, and I was angry. At the end of
FR> the show KCET started pushing several of his books so I know he has
FR> more than one.
Is that the local PBS TV station?
fr> his sheep to help finance his nasty little habit.
dc> Not sure about that, but he also owns a restaurant and has been
dc> paid as a teacher in a work/study program. That's how the current
FR> Is he an acting master? Do you know? Ken and Bob didn't say anything
From the article I read, I don't think so. He was a chaplain at
a local college before his restaurant and cooking show took off.
FR> about what he's doing these days and the media hasn't been flooding
FR> the public with this one.
Hopefully it's only to keep down the pre-trial publicity. There's
been very little said for sure by both sides of the suit.
... Brought to you by the very dead 7th angel, Willy "Squirrel" Branham
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealous ignorant
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:04:38
EID:c649 2253b880
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8706
-> On 15 Feb 97 04:19:42, John Brawley got back to Dan Ceppa
jb> What do you like about the Jeep?
FR> You can throw it off of a high building and it will float gently down
JB> Uh.... Mine -was- a serious question....
DC> John, ever stop to wonder why Frederic _didn't_ take your
DC> question seriously?
JB> No.... Should I have?
Yes, you should have.
JB> A serious question without the slightest touch of "other subjects"
JB> gets a flip answer for _what_ reason?
David Worrell answered it quite adequately. In fact, it was
right to to the most infinitesimal detail.
... "Oh, bother", said Pooh as he lit the fuse on the dynamite.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Ceppa - Holographic
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:06:30
EID:ce8d 2253b8c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8776
-> On 15 Feb 97 04:21:16, John Brawley got back to Dan Ceppa
JB> I claim the Universe is, itself--independent of us -OR- dependent on
JB> us- - "intelligent," "self-aware," and possibly capable of general
JB> probability-alteration on a local and global scale.
DC> John, I claim the Moon is made out of Green Cheese -OR- it may
DC> be made out of rock.
JB> Dan, for someone as intelligent as you are, you sure can make a mess
JB> out of reading things.... You comment on the _subordinate_ clause
JB> when you object to the main point. Gat it together, man.
Your right. I should have said the the Moon is made out of
Green Cheese -OR- Blue Cheese to keep your analogy intact.
... A man without a God is like a fish without a bicycle.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Little Ru
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:10:02
EID:b821 2253b940
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b884a
-> On 16 Feb 97 03:15:26, Little Ru got back to Martin Goldberg
MG> B****hit, Jelly. Ask a homosexual if he got that way naturally or not.
^^^^^^^^
I doubt that Martin typed that.
If it was you that needed to replace the missing letters with
asterisks, you will find that that is a fucking no-no in
this Echo.
... Next time you edit a quote, be prepared to sit in the fucking corner.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Frugel Gormet: Christian child rapist
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:15:12
EID:173e 2253b9e0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8980
-> On 15 Feb 97 11:22:48, Fredric Rice got back to Dan Ceppa
dc> Today's quize's premise was:
dc> "What's hiding behind the apron of the Frugal Gourmet!"
FR> Good! Glad to hear that there's still media attention -- however
FR> bent. (Uh, so-to-speak.)
You do have to admit that it's hard, err, difficult not to
run into some good puns with this jerk.
FR> I want the guy taken off the air and
That may not be a good idea at the present time. However,
as I think you noted, they are showing re-runs, not any
current shows.
FR> executed -- if all the charges are undeniably and unquestionably
FR> proven or admitted to.
I'd prefer if he pulled his own plug. I'm not in favor of
capital punishment. However, there are times that I do
see the need.
... "Bother," said Pooh, as the vice squad took his GIFs.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Believing vs Nonbelie
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:29:18
EID:8a43 2253bba0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8cce
-> On 17 Feb 97 04:33:04, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> As it stands, he is not a convicted murder per the law but
DC> was involved enough in those deaths that he has responsi-
DC> bility to the families of the victims.
MB> The difference in the burden of proof lies in the word "preponder-
MB> ance of evidence," which is lay terms means that given the
MB> evidence, there's more than a 50 percent chance he did it. In the
MB> "reasonable doubt" instance, they are basically saying there is no
MB> reasonable way you can conclude from the evidence that he didn't
MB> do it.
That's somewhat similar to the civil trial I was involved in as
compared with another juror that I got to know that was on
a criminal case. The burden of proof is quite different.
MB> said that had she been on the first jury and subject to the
MB> additional burden of proof, she would have found him innocent.
However, that still leaves us why how he got to be tried
in both crimal and civil courts for the same action(s).
... Just one term turns an honest man into a politician.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: READING INCOMPREHENSION
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:33:58
EID:c8cb 2253bc20
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
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-> On 17 Feb 97 07:51:00, DAVID RICE got back to DAN CEPPA
>>>>KY> What the Bible says..[sic]
>>>EM> wear anything with mixed fibers.
>DR> DEU 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers
>DR> sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
DC> Damn! There goes that outside race this week! I
DC> intended to stay warm.
DR> "Wool or linen, which for you?"
I used wool, cotton and nylon. Worked quite well. Plus,
the wave action was low so I didn't get my synthetic
rubber sneakers wet.
DR> I've heard rumors that there is a Fundy cult (redundant)
DR> that does not allow scuba diving because of DEU 22:11.
Yes, Barnum was more than right and the education system
is as bad as they say.
... Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Sex at Dragon festival (d
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:36:23
EID:5b55 2253bc80
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
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-> On 16 Feb 97 07:16:00, Katherine Wintersnight got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> ML> KW> Ah, yes, the Airport Inn bar during a baptist convention...
DC> ML> Where there's four Baptists, there's a always a fifth.
DC> KW> Ugh! They hunt in packs.
DC>Only if there are six of them.
KW> Okaaaaay, it looks like it's time to resort to my grandmother's term
KW> for several of anything--a mess of baptists.
Are you sure your mean 'several'? Sounds more like just a
big mess.
... ORTHODOX, n., An ox wearing the popular religious yoke. A.Bierce
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Sidebar masking . . .
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:39:58
EID:77aa 2253bce0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b8f4e
-> On 17 Feb 97 08:44:25, Martin Goldberg got back to Dan Ceppa
DR>> Ha! Burt may have her for all I care. Throw Jan Smithers
DC> You poor man... She was Bailey on the TV show, _WKRP_
MG> Blue. I realize that in this fashion, I miss a good deal of flesh,
Not a lot of flesh or flash like Lonnie Anderson, by far. Just
a very nice looking "plain Jane" that seems to have stole far
more fantasies than Lonnie did.
MG> The exceptions are the rare sporting event, COPS, and The Simpsons.
I really have to start taping or just watching the Simpsons. It's
got to be one of the best shows on TV. Good thing I got a bunch
of new tapes to fill up!
... "Bother," said Pooh, as he kneed Christopher Robin in the groin.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Well, women? (guff)
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:48:38
EID:6aa8 2253be00
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b9156
-> On 17 Feb 97 07:55:00, DAVID RICE got back to DAN CEPPA
>DR> What Straights? :-) And isn't Bangor in Maine?
>DC> The Straight of Juan de Fucka, err Flicka, ah, Fuca't all!
DR> Oh, that Straight! :-) Yes, certainly. We went through
Yeah, them. Raced out there last weekend. Looking to do the
same in about a month. :)
DR> cork in, and tossed it out there. The message read
DR> "Warning! Love Geni inside!" and some other words I forget
DR> at the moment. I suspect a ship ran the bottle over and
DR> sank it. Geni and all.
Apparently it was the Genie that sunk. :(
DC> know. If not, maybe I could wander over to Seattle and
DC> check out the boat.
DR> The boat is in Vancouver at the moment. I like Port
That's where the moderator of the Sailing Echo resides.
DR> Angeles: there's a ice cream store inside a small mall on
DR> the left of the harbor (facing seaward). Any place that
DR> sells ice cream is a port well worth visiting.
Is the mall about a street or two south from the harbor? If
so, I think I may know where you mean. However, the best
ice cream place is over here in Sequim.
... "Not ready reading drive, (A)bort, (R)etry, (J)ibe."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: 'Bible Prophesy'
|Date: 20 Feb 97 00:06:42
EID:fbe9 225400c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b9592
-> On 17 Feb 97 08:16:00, Lynda Bustilloz got back to DAN CEPPA
JB> ROSA Parks. And then there was Septima Clark who did a like service
DC> WELLL, EXCUSE ME!
DC> At least I got some of her name correct.
LB> You should have looked it up. LOL!!!!
Shhhh, I trying to pretend to be a fundy. (Damn, it's hard
to turn off all of your brain... )
... we are a part of nature, not the masters of it. - jonny vee
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 20 Feb 97 00:32:16
EID:442a 22540400
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b9b90
-> On 17 Feb 97 07:22:00, Darryl Gonzalez got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> BTW, next time try quoting what I said...
DG> I will, when you have something that is relevant to contribute to the
DG> conversation.
Just because your out-dated dogma's nose was tweaked is not
my fault. You should try upgrading at least to a 19th
century level of cognizance.
DC> DG> I wasn't talking about slavery, but about racism. Yes, under
DC> Are you so naive as to think it is possible to separate the
DC> two from each other?
DG> I am, because in this regard, it's a dead issue. The issue of slavery
Then, dear child, explain why racism is still rampant in this
country?
DG> in this country (and, for that matter, in most of the world) died over
DG> a century ago. It's something that was buried with our
DG> great-grandparents.
Too bad that the racism that was propogated by those nice
xians still remains.
DG> Racism refers to the treatment of one race as
DG> superior to another. Where it does happen today, it's wrong, and
DG> condemned by the Bible.
Too bad your Jesus shows that slave trading, if you treat the
slaves sort of nice, is alright.
DC> Which means that it was legitimized. There were laws in the
DC> Antebellum South that did much of the same. Does that make it
DC> right?
DG> Ok. First of all, the Bible never said, "Thou shalt have slaves".
It
DG> left i t as an option, that if they WANTED slaves,
IOW, it said _nothing_ against slavery. Keep peddling.
DG> them, but that they were strictly mandated to treat them well. In
DG> other words, if you chose not to have slaves, it was OK. If you chose
DG> to have them, it was also OK, just as long as you treated them well.
Yep, just what your Jesus says. Slavery is "OK" in his book.
DC> So sorry, it's completely relevant. Bigotry is allowed, per your
DC> bible. And, even as you admit above, in the NT that your Jesus
DG> About bigotry being authorized by the Bible: Cite me a "Thou shalt be
DG> a bigot" from the Bible.
Slavery was legal in the OT and the NT as well. That's bigotry,
pure and simple.
DC> And the wounds that it created are the scars that still bleed in
DC> this day and age. Nice legacy your NT has left for the rest of
DG> You're wrong on two counts here, friend.
I suggest you use the proper appellation, 'God Dan', when addressing
me. You are not my friend. You have yet to earned the right to use
the term 'friend' with me.
DG> bleed, but only because the patient refuses to allow them to heal.
When was the last time you looked at the demographics of major
company CEO's, pink boy.
DG> Slavery's over, man, get over it! In this country, as I said above,
it
DG> died with our great-grandparents. Second, the NT didn't leave that
DG> sort of a legacy.
Bullshit.
DG> What left that legacy was man's general ignorance of
DG> the Bible, and man's cruelty to man.
The ignorance in the unfounded belief in the bible is what
has been responsible. Try reading it sometime, not having
it force-fed to you.
... "Torquemada is alive and well in the heart of every fundy." C Mullen
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: FAT PEOPLE
|Date: 20 Feb 97 00:41:27
EID:424b 22540520
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b9db7
-> On 17 Feb 97 09:35:00, Katherine Wintersnight got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>But of course! After all, the cultural center is the most
DC>important!???
KW> Well, you can still find it if you are willing to go wandering through
KW> a maze of narrow streets. Even the tax exempt tobacco shop is better
KW> placed.
That's because it raises more money, but you knew that!
DC>But, it is their culture, or is it!
They don't seem to be really sure what what their culture is--the
KW> casino is covered with 'petroglyphs' from a neolithic site near El
KW> Paso, the ads feature an apache dancer--and the single biggest tribal
KW> event is the Festival for St John.
As I see it, most tribes are learning... learning how to use the
system to their best advantage. In a paraphrase of Tevye, "Tradition
be damned."
DC> KW> On the other hand, the Mescalaro Apaches a bit to the north of us
own
DC>There are a few that are managed quite well. OOC, do they have
DC>a casino at the resort?
KW> I think that they do--and there is a horse track close by. There is
If true, figured so. After all, there is no one else locally
that can legally do the same and provide any competition to
them. They have been handed a virtual monopoly.
KW> also skiing and other winter mountain sports, and hunting.
That's better than most provide. The ones in this state only
look for the gambling to make their bucks rather than bagging
a buck.
DC> KW> accept a nuclear waste dump that is just as regularly voted down
by the
DC>common sense to do that and keep things running right.
KW> Pretty much so. They do raise some fabulous horses up there, too.
A worth while business. I can't ride very well, but I do
appreciate nice horses. Hope that tradition continues.
... Famous Gods of the Bible! Collect 'em all! Trade w/your friends!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 20 Feb 97 00:45:57
EID:9c67 225405a0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330b9ec5
-> On 16 Feb 97 09:12:00, Lynda Bustilloz got back to ROBERT CURRY
RC> to SUM up, if a lawyer were to put it in TERMS of an ORDER, that
RC> would CIRCUMSCRIBE your REGULAR behavior.
LB> (keeling over with laughter!!!)
LB> Oh, no. I just laughed at a math conversation.
That was a PROBABILITY, but, was it PROBABLE? Then again,
it could have been a CONVERSION with a FUDGE FACTOR.
... Of people born in 1809, 100% who believed in god are dead!
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Keeping your cool
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:30:03
EID:47b5 22539bc0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 c106feee
REPLY: 1:229/622.0 330074dc
On (11 Feb 97) Jan deBoer wrote to Ed Mills...
Jd> On 03 Feb 97 21:56:28 Ed Mills wrote to Jan deBoer...
EM> Add a small, short-duty-cycle compressor to flash-chill the
EM> cavity with a blast from a small air cylinder?
Jd> Hmmm...sort of defeats the one moving part simplicity.
Yeah, but it would be for such intermittent duty that the wear & tear
would be way low. My interest in the thermocouple is its low current
draw...
EM> Little Panaflo muffin fan off a junked whatever would be far more
EM> reliable, runs on 12v.
Jd> Good idea...filed for future reference. Do suspect that panaflow would
Jd> suck more milliamps than the original, though.
They make many sizes of them; some seem to be electronically controlled
BSL-type deals, and some are apparently just good old permag slot-car
motors. I'm going to hook one up to a rectumfinder and variac one of
these days and see if I can get it to make a sound like a GE turbofan
before it croaks - which I predict will happen at around 50V.
Jd> Given the size of the block, and the number of junctions needed, they
Jd> must be tiny. Current through dissimilar metals usually means trouble,
Jd> i.e. corrosion. I just wonder if junctions will eventually fail.
I used to work for a radio shop that had an FM repeater out in the
boondocks which ran its Mocom or Micor or whatever the hell they were
off propane, thermocouples and gelabs or RV batteries or something. I
still have no idea how they got enough out of thermocouples to run a
bank (even intermittently) of cop-car radios.
Praise Jesus. :)
edweird
... Avoid doctors who do prostate exams with their hands on your shoulders.
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Hi I'm new
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:46:20
EID:8786 22539dc0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 11049fd3
REPLY: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org 834bca18
On (09 Feb 97) Norman Solomon wrote to Ed Mills...
EM> I guess I can go ahead and act on my cross-dressing impulses, then.
NS> Course you can Ed(wina) :-0
NS> Norman
Oh Boy!
I didn't know there were any other ones in here!
Welcome, kindred soul. Maybe we swap drag pix sometime.
edweird
... 3.7 million times I took His name in vain, St. Peter? Jesus Chri...
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: What a get_up, that chick
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:51:54
EID:7f07 22539e60
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 b971fc93
REPLY: 1:221/1503 33050228
On (14 Feb 97) Ronald Vass wrote to Ed Mills...
RV> Poor lad. What a wet dream you missed. A knock out women, that
RV> could think, then too, as a small dick male, who cares if
RV> she could think and look GREAT at the same time.
RV> pant....pant....pant...drool.....drool....drool....
RV> crawling over broken glass for a closer look.... Perhaps a touch.
Steady there.
I will have to browse through the cable listings one of these days.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianity, buttfuck
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:54:16
EID:7542 22539ec0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 8d1f9fd1
REPLY: 1:218/890@FidoNet 1711d151
On (15 Feb 97) Fredric Rice wrote to Ed Mills...
FR> ~*~ There are alot of people on this board who will one day get the
FR> shock of their life when the are standing before God, and he
FR> reads back their posts, and asks them to give account of what they
FR> said. I wish I could be there.... - Doug Brewer
Bible: a clever device, invented to provide a means for
the cranially disadvantaged to enjoy a measure of smugness,
subsequently giving the rest of us the same pleasure.
-edweird
... KILL: to create a vacancy without nominating a successor. (Bierce)
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: I can't take this any more!
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:13:19
EID:7e20 2253a1a0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 6b6e13d4
REPLY: 1:218/890@FidoNet 1711d152
On (15 Feb 97) Fredric Rice wrote to Ed Mills...
FR> I've been living a lie. I can't continue to lie any longer.
FR> I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I'M PROUD OF IT!
em> Uh, April 1st isn't for about six weeks yet, is it? :)
FR> I'm working up to it, getting as much practice as possible before the
FR> main event. And I have another idea which might actually work well
FR> enough to drag every Goat damned fundy out of the woodwork... Except
FR> that I need a cohort and an escape plan.
If saying so didn't ruin the plan...
edmilz@juno.com
hehehehehe.
... Bigamy = too many spouses. Monogamy = the same.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianity, buttfuck
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:16:17
EID:f1ec 2253a200
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 339f5d5c
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 755ad336
On (15 Feb 97) J.J. Hitt wrote to Ed Mills...
JH> FR>> ~*~ Take a hard look at the Grand Canyon. try to explain
JH> FR>> that through evolution. - Freddie Cash
EM> I take it he doesn't believe in erosion, either?
JH> Now that I think about it; you can't explain the Grand Canyon useing
JH> home economics, animal husbandry, auto mechanics or aerodynamics.
Home Ec. Now if I'd been thinking, I'd have taken that instead of
fizzicks. Then I coulda had a girlfriend in high school. Or if I'd
taken animal husbandry, I coulda had a girlfriend. But no. I hadda
take fizzicks.
JH> Obviously the Grand Canyon is a cruel hoax that been foisted (foist!
JH> foist!) upon us by sinister forces dwelling in the state of Arizona.
Maybe Prewett can cough up one of his numerological pieces for
Evan Meacham, next time he swings through here.
edweird
... Imagine living in a society where the morality came from fairy tales!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Silicone vinegar
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:33:49
EID:f202 2253a420
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 ef69ad90
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 755af0d1
On (15 Feb 97) J.J. Hitt wrote to Ed Mills...
EM> I discovered that some of the larger stepper motors make
EM> killer generators. I'm rigging one up with a prop for my
EM> bike - save wear & tear on the front tire from the old
EM> roller kind. Tried the blades from a microwave oven blower,
EM> but had to be going down a 45-degree incline to get any
EM> light out of it. Need a bigger prop.
JH> You'll need one hell of a big one to get a better mechanical
JH> advantage over a direct connection. It'll have to be large
JH> enough that the wind resistence is as least as great as the
JH> drag you feel when you kick in the old fashioned on the wheel
JH> generator.
I don't mind the extra rolling resistance - it's a given that
there'll be just as much work involved. I just wanted to save wear
& tear on the front tire and the little bit of energy lost from
friction/heat.
Do you know anyone who might have an old Cessna to part out?
JH> Once again, the conservation laws raise their ugly heads.
JH> Now if it's just wear and tear you're concerned about (and you
JH> don't mind a light that strobes); you could place permanent
JH> magnets along the rim of the wheel and have a pick-em-up coil
JH> mounted on the frame: a two-wheeled magneto.
A rectumfinder and some honkin' filter capacitors would fix that.
Unfortunately, the magnets would have a rather adverse effect on the
brake calipers.
JH> However, it would STILL make the bike harder to peddle as soon
JH> as you closed the circuit. There's no getting away from that.
JH> It's the law.
Yes, if I tried to sell the bike with the light on, the rolling
resistance would probably deter any potential buyer taking a test
ride. It would also make the bike harder to _pedal,_ as well.
Sorry. The smartass had to be let out for a walk.
edweird
... EGOTIST: a person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Hello? Hello...HELLO
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:54:57
EID:711a 2253a6c0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 d5602e95
REPLY: 1:229/622.0 32ef919f
On (29 Jan 97) Jan deBoer wrote to Al Schroeder...
Jd> On 27 Jan 97 12:58:54 Al Schroeder wrote to Jan deBoer...
AS> Obviously, I don't think the Bible is true because the Bible says
AS> so. But it is claimed to be a mode of communication between God and
AS> Man.
Jd> The same claim is made for chicken entrails.....
AS> Well, some mothers think chicken soup is a gift from God...
Jd> I thought it was a gift from the chickens.
Which has nothing to do with Lon Mabon or any other chickenhawks.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Survey Again
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:07:24
EID:7157 2253a8e0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 0be14dd3
REPLY: 1:218/890@FidoNet 0e917d68
On (29 Jan 97) Fredric Rice wrote to DAVID RICE...
dr> -- 17.2% in Oregon claim no religion; Washington, 14%;
dr> Wyoming, 13.5%, Nevada, 13.2%; California, 13%.
FR> It might be a good idea to move to Oregon this year.
Unfortunately, it's a sure thing that most of those people live in
or around the one part of Oregon that resembles an urban area,
Portland. With a smattering around liberal Eugene.
The rural parts, which are about 95% of it, are a whole 'nother
story. Growing up in a redneck logging town, I quickly learned that
one keeps one's mouth shut about Jesus, except to praise him.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: assertion by Al
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:15:05
EID:9d56 2253a9e0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 8f089f86
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 32efd574
On (29 Jan 97) Dan Ceppa wrote to Al Schroeder...
DC> Just remembered: I had a button around 1968 that said, "God
DC> is alive and well in a sugar cube." Seems like the statement
DC> is more fitting now than the day I bought it.
Do they still do it that way?
So there was no point in my eating that sheet of paper with all the
little Grateful Dead teddy-bears on it a few minutes ago?
edweird*3kjetdfazxphfffffft.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: archives
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:59:57
EID:c3d3 2253af60
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 da56629b
On (02 Feb 97) David Worrell wrote to RIC CARTER...
DW> I used to date a woman who worked as a paint stripper. I had a great
DW> deal of fun leaving the word "paint" out of her job description when
DW> telling my family about her.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The man was at his wit's end. He worked in a cannery, and each day was
a struggle with an obsession he had developed as the result of such
employment. He wanted to put his dick in the pickle slicer. He told his
wife, but it didn't help. She was supportive, but one day the urge
finally overtook him.
He put his dick in the pickle slicer.
And when he came home that night, he told her he'd succumbed to his
obsession, and had been fired on the spot. She looked at him in total
puzzlement. "But... but... aren't you hurt? What about the pickle
slicer?"
He said, "Oh, they fired her, too."
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: God came to stay
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:53:13
EID:3c71 2253aea0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 d181d18a
On (04 Feb 97) David Worrell wrote to Don Martin...
DW> I have no pity for in-duh-viduals that sue tobacco companies, though.
DW> You've gotta be a real dumbass to think that inhaling burning fumes
DW> (never mind carcinogens and all the other nasty substances, for the
DW> moment) can possibly be healthy for you.
DW> And I say this as a smoker.
Judging by your posts, I'd guess you eschew filters.
Camel? Pall Mall? Bugler?
I was partial to Bugler, myself. Still miss it sometimes.
But the cholesterol will probably do me in before the tobacco
would have, anyway.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 19 Feb 97 11:36:24
EID:bb19 22535c80
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 330bf907
-=> Quoting Norman Solomon to Sue Alexander <=-
KY> racist.. I haven't said one thing against blacks yet.
SA> Interesting use of language, don't you think?
NS> You noticed that "yet" too
I am still wondering if Ken has a clue about that little
slip-up.....
Sue
... Where am I going? And WHY AM I IN THIS HANDBASKET?????
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: How to Attract Men (LOL!
|Date: 19 Feb 97 11:47:07
EID:15f4 22535de0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 330bf90a
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Sue Alexander <=-
JS>> Thanks for your support, Lynda. You understand what I am trying
JS>> to say. :)
SA> Um, Linda? Do you have any idea why he responded to you and
SA> David thanking you for your support, but he did not even try to
SA> respond to me explaining his actions or simply saying that he did not
SA> appreciate the sentiment?
DW> Maybe he realized your misogyny detectors are on a hair trigger and
DW> didn't feel like getting bogged down into that shit.
Maybe you are trying to protect him so that you can still claim
your misogynist title.
Don't worry, David. There is still pie waiting for you if you
choose to accept it....
Sue
... Does the phrase `No way in hell' ring a bell? - Ivanova
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: How to Attract Men (LOL!
|Date: 19 Feb 97 13:34:38
EID:3c7e 22536c40
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 330bf908
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to SUE ALEXANDER <=-
SA> Um, Linda? Do you have any idea why he responded to you and
SA> David thanking you for your support, but he did not even try to respond
SA> to me explaining his actions or simply saying that he did not
SA> appreciate the sentiment?
LB> (G) Yea, maybe, kind of sort of....
LB> Joe hadn't been reading Fido, didn't know you HAD replied to him
LB> until I mentioned this conversation in IRC, where it continued
LB> with many interesting and odd twists and turns with him, David and
LB> I. I'm not sure if he actually SAW your original message.
Thanks for clarifying that...if that is the case, he probably would
not have even had the original message if he wanted to respond.
LB> And I think he was FAR more upset at being mistaken for Jim Staal
LB> than he was at being called a misogynist. ;)
Now THAT I can understand....
Sue
... The unquestionable miracle: god should have impregnated JOSEPH!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 19 Feb 97 13:36:17
EID:c2b7 22536c80
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 330bf909
-=> Quoting Marilyn Burge to Sue Alexander <=-
SA> If they wanted to cause an abortion, Jim, why do they not
SA> just stick the forceps into the baby's head when they are in
SA> there turning the kid? The kid would die (as in the previous
SA> scenario), but could come out head first, and there would be
SA> a whole hell of a lot more room (respectively) to work. Also,
SA> as Lynda said...breach births are a danger to the mother as
SA> well. Why, if all they want to do is an abortion, would they
SA> deliver the kid in a very dangerous manner when it would be
SA> easier and safer to deliver the dead kid head first?
MB> I saw a guest editorial written by a woman that had one of
MB> these abortions, and she said that her fetus was aborted just
MB> as Staal describes. The reason was that the fetus had a VERY
MB> large head as a result of some kind of birth defect, and
MB> bringing it through the birth canal prior to greatly reducing
MB> its head would have killed her.
From what I understand of partial birth abortions, this kind of
birth defect is usually the cause. The fetus would not have
survived anyway, and it's the mother's life that is trying to be
preserved in these cases.
Jim did not make any mention (that I saw) of this valid use of the
procedure, and was implying that it was just a way to abort an unwanted
fetus. Under circumstances like that, his argument is bullshit.
Sue
... I'm not crazy. I just have a unique sense of reality.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: How to Attract Men (LOL!
|Date: 20 Feb 97 01:02:39
EID:15f4 22540840
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 330bf90b
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Sue Alexander <=-
SA>> You, sir, are a misogynist.
DW>> No, that's me.
SA> Yeah, I know. That's why you are so wary of chocolate pies.
DW> You're pretty smart for a woman, you know.
Why, thank you! I am pleasantly surprised that you can recognize
intelligence through your twinkie daze.
DW> What are you doing with those shoes on?!
I have to protect my toes when I decide to kick butt.
Sue
... Never anger a dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with Brie!
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: complaints
|Date: 19 Feb 97 02:38:08
EID:0bc5 225314c0
MSGID: 1:3603/210 3668cf12
TID: GE/2 1.2
with -- no, scratch that. Better off without.
RC> You seem determined to ask questions about "standard math
RC> terminology," but instead of _educating_ yourself, you persist
RC> in your errors with demands that rather than learning for
RC> yourself, I should spoon feed you.
LB> Perhaps it is time you let him know what your tutoring rates are.
It is enough for him to know that they would be doubled for him.
And if necessary, doubled again.
Iteration to be applied as required.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: LYNDA BUSTILLOZ
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 19 Feb 97 02:38:09
EID:ad0d 225314c0
MSGID: 1:3603/210 3668cf13
TID: GE/2 1.2
DW> + Origin: Robert Curry's Mathematical Bait Shop (1:123/67.7)
RC> Such a MEAN, NEGATIVE origin line was CALCULATED to promote CHAOS
RC> to SUM up, if a lawyer were to put it in TERMS of an ORDER, that
RC> would CIRCUMSCRIBE your REGULAR behavior.
LB> (keeling over with laughter!!!)
LB> Oh, no. I just laughed at a math conversation.
Come over to the Dark Side of Math, Lynda.
Hurry! You must act now to receive the special introductory bonus
showing how to dissect a sphere into a finite number of pieces
that can be reassembled into *two* spheres *each* with precisely
the same volume as the original. Offer ends soon -- don't delay!
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: DAVID WORRELL
|Sub: Screams from hell!
|Date: 19 Feb 97 02:38:10
EID:40c5 225314c0
MSGID: 1:3603/210 3668cf14
TID: GE/2 1.2
with: Fredric Rice
FR> His programming would appear to be completed.
DW> 10 PRINT "Doh!"
DW> 20 GOTO 10
: moron do ." Doh!" loop ;
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealous ignorant
|Date: 20 Feb 97 02:20:25
EID:0058 22541280
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bb501
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 dab3f31f
PID: GED3 2.5
18 Feb 97 10:06, John Brawley wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Because it came from a crackpot.
JB> I see your critical thinking ability is as deformed as ever.
I see you're still in denial.
JB> Nice to know _some_ things don't change much in this world.
Indeed.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 20 Feb 97 02:29:04
EID:44f7 225413a0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bb70c
REPLY: 3:640/238@Fidonet 894d1981
PID: GED3 2.5
19 Feb 97 08:51, Laurie Appleton wrote to Martin Goldberg:
MG>> authority". Do you have any evidence that this fellow has any
MG>> evidence for his belief in god? If he has any, I'd love to see it.
MG>> Your
LA> "The more statistically improbable a thing is, the
LA> less can we believe that it just happened by blind chance.
LA> Superficially the obvious alternative to chance is an
LA> intelligent Designer."
LA> (Dr Richard Dawkins (Department of Zoology, Oxford
What part of the word "superficially" are you having trouble with?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: death
|Date: 20 Feb 97 02:53:13
EID:01de 225416a0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bbd56
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 c60705b5
PID: GED3 2.5
17 Feb 97 10:36, John Brawley wrote to ROBERT CURRY:
JB> (Few here seem to have the ability to tell. Worrell's, Sherman's,
JB> and your repeated references to my purported response to "bait" prove
JB> that quite handily, as well as indicating the presence of some pretty
JB> awesome egotism in yourselves....)
I do not deny that I have an ego. I doubt that either Shelby or Robert would
deny their respective egos, either.
The three of us manage to keep our egos reined in, though, so we're not
constantly tripping over the damned things. You would do well to learn from
our collective examples.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:00:52
EID:c187 22541800
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bbf2f
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 001a2b0b
PID: GED3 2.5
17 Feb 97 11:37, John Brawley wrote to Mark Kimes:
JB> "Don't place too much faith in this technological terror you've
JB> created; it's insignificant compared to the power of the Force."
Gee, John... can you also block blaster fire with the palm of your hand?
Where do you keep that cool TIE fighter?
JB> These text-based exposures reveal little but one's ability to put
JB> one's thoughts into words. Absent perfection of that (on _both_ ends:
JB> the reader has to reproduce the writer's exact thoughtform(s)),
JB> there's precious little _knowledge_ of the person behind the words
JB> communicated this way.
Call 1-800-ABC-DEFG for help with your reading comprehension problems, Darth.
MK>> Gee, sixth or seventh message in a thread -- you have as weird an
MK>> idea of what "shut up and go away" means as you do about how gods
MK>> hide in nonlocality.
JB> I was referring to Hector's response,
Could it be that you *still* don't know who you're talking to? Oh, wait..
you knew all along, right?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: MARK KIMES
|Sub: Secure digital conferenci
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:05:56
EID:ef52 225418a0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bbfe2
PID: GED3 2.5
FR>> I should begin by saying welcome to the dozen or so fellow
FR>> heathens who have lately joined us in our efforts here... Dave
FR>> Hamilton, Mark Kimes, Roger Hunter, Jan deBoer, Ed Mills, Rod
FR>> Swift, and Mark O'Neill just to name a few...
MK>> Yo, Fred, the better educated know that Mark Kimes is rather
MK>> closely related to your old pal, Hec. Siamese twins joined at
MK>> the fingers, you might say. :-) ___
Hmmm... both Fred and Baitboy don't know. Maybe there's something Fred isn't
telling us.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:08:12
EID:e39a 22541900
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bc05b
PID: GED3 2.5
18 Feb 97 17:12, Lynda Bustilloz wrote to SUE ALEXANDER:
LB> :) And if it ISN'T a million, Jim's gonna have some 'splaining to do.
LB> It's a lot tougher to get a million people into DC that you'd think.
Yeah. First you've got to find a million people that *want* to go to DC.
Politicians don't count, either - they're already there.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: death
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:11:31
EID:4be2 22541960
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bc138
REPLY: 1:102/735.0 2253809b
PID: GED3 2.5
19 Feb 97 16:04, Mark Kimes wrote to John Brawley:
MK> Bullshit, Johnny. Students love their best teachers best, for
MK> example. The world loved Einstein, and loves Michael Jordan. Some
MK> people do respond well to the presence of some superior people. But
MK> then, I'm sure you have some papers on the construction methods used
MK> in building hydroelectric dams that prove otherwise, right? :-)
ROFL! "Why else would people build these large, wall-like structures if
not to separate themselves from those they consider to be superior people?"
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: help
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:12:51
EID:608f 22541980
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bc200
PID: GED3 2.5
I received an email from Kevin McKenzie requesting a copy of the Keating/Mother
Theresa message. The consensus seems to be that you were the original poster.
If you've still got it, could you send a copy to azirafel@concentric.net?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 20 Feb 97 03:22:09
EID:ef69 22541ac0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 330bc394
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 7ed37395
PID: GED3 2.5
18 Feb 97 13:14, John Brawley wrote to ROBERT CURRY:
JB>> And I suppose there is no "smallest nonzero number," either?
JB>> (*chuckle*)
RC>> Generally speaking, no, there is not.
RC>> If you restrict yourself to the use of a discrete number system
RC>> only, then the answer in *some* cases is yes. For instance, the
RC>> nonnegative integers do contain a smallest nonzero number;
RC>> namely, one.
JB> (*sigh*) "Do not go to the elves with questions, for they will say
JB> both 'no' and 'yes.'"
May we start calling you Glorfindel now?
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|From: Don Martin
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 17 Feb 97 12:54:55
EID:bbaf 225166c0
PID: BWMAX2 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 3308a0bf
REPLY: 1:105/24.12 b8c0a3b3
Ed Mills said "paranoid?" to ALL, adding:
EM> The only thing I can think of is a letter I had written to a local
EM> weekly rag a few weeks before. The letter was a response to an article
EM> about a woman who'd suffered psychiatric malpractice at the hands of
EM> bible-thumping shrinks:
EM>
EM> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
EM> -
EM> To the Editor:
EM>
EM> After reading the initial description of Jennifer Fultz's condition
EM> in Maureen O'Hagan's Sep. 25 piece, "How she beat the devil," I
EM> wasn't even slightly surprised when it came out that her two shrinks
EM> had (please excuse the oxymoron) religious educations. The article
EM> showed what can happen when the care of the mentally ill is entrusted
EM> to "professionals" who themselves have a belt slipping. This is just
EM> the tip of the nutty iceberg, though.
EM>
EM> Every Sunday (every day, in parochial schools) trusting,
EM> impressionable kids get their subconscious minds pumped full of
EM> sadomasochistic mythology by well-meaning adults who are preoccupied
EM> with the same demons as Ms. Fultz's "therapists." They're told that
if
EM> they don't submit to the whims of a capricious, irrational deity or
EM> worship a curiously British- looking imaginary superfriend, they'll
EM> spend eternity in some giant stir-fry with Gene Simmons. In a culture
EM> largely made up of people who are thus indoctrinated, is it really any
EM> wonder that so many of us have squirrels running around where there
EM> should have been gray matter?
EM> The article didn't say where Jennifer's head is at now; I hope she
EM> came to understand that religion is a form of mental illness and it
EM> can be conquered by simply recognizing the Christianic death-cult for
EM> what it is.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
EM> Well? Am I just being paranoid, or should I be sleeping with my pants
EM> on and a round in the chamber?
Was the letter published? If it was not, you may have been
visited by a staffer (who would have had your full address and not
just the City, ST that gets printed). If it was published, you may
have had a friend of a staffer (or the staffer himself) unless you
are in the phone book with full address details. Before going to red
alert, get out your flak jacket, send the family to grandmas, and
write another letter. Should more holes appear in your car and
house, you may have reason to doubt the benevolence of your local
Christians.
If the second letter fails to elicit gunplay, you may simply
have received a bit of gratuitous nastiness so typical of our
society today and have nothing to worry about.
... Through a Jaundiced Eye Darkly--Rheum With a View
(don.martin@mbbs.com)
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.20
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Fundie Claptrap
|Date: 17 Feb 97 17:59:27
EID:c5c7 22518f60
Whilst masticating on , Shelby Sherman (1:123/67)
wrote to David Worrell:
SS> Just because OJ practically cut Nicole's head off...the mother of
SS> his children....doesn't mean that he didn't love her, right?
OJ says he never stopped loving Nicole. She'd have been better off if he
hated her. *adh*
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Alignment List, part
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:56:30
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DM> Jd> Name Location Alignment In the
DM> Jd> Jan deBoer Oshawa, Ont. Defrocked Agnostic 3 years
DM> Jd> Canada Intermittent
DM> Jd> at whim of
DM> Jd> Xtian Sysops
DM> What _I_ want to know, is who is _frocking_ agnostics
DM>these days? Or is this just a Canadian thing?
Bishop Kirby Hensley will 'frock' anyone - well, ALMOST anyone!
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: The Alignment List, part
|Date: 19 Feb 97 06:57:58
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On 17 Feb 97 14:35:00 Katherine Wintersnight wrote to Don Martin...
DM>Jan deBoer said "The Alignment List, part" to Katherine Wintersnight,
DM>adding:
DM> Jd> TOP SECRET! For your eyes only!
DM> Jd> Name Location Alignment In the
DM> Jd> Jan deBoer Oshawa, Ont. Defrocked Agnostic 3 years
DM> Jd> Canada Intermittent
DM> Jd> at whim of
DM> Jd> Xtian Sysops
DM> What _I_ want to know, is who is _frocking_ agnostics
DM>these days? Or is this just a Canadian thing?
KW> I'd like to know if cross dressed agnostics is a custom up there,
KW> or if the donning and stripping of the frock is a new thing.
Derives from the great Scottish kilt mystery.....what does an agnostic
wear underneath the frock?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Intllectual Bankruptcy
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:04:42
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DR> The entire premise of atheism as a belief system is conceptually
DR> bankrupt.
Only an imbecile would consider absence of belief "a belief system".
Is absence of illness a form of illness, idiot?
Is bald a hair colour?
DR> That doesn't make any difference anyway, though. Intelligence,
DR> lucky for you, is not a requirement to get into Heaven.
ROTFL!!! On the basis of your, and other fundy postings here, we long
ago came to that conclusion!
DR> Where is your sense of respect for another human's beliefs
The beliefs of idiots are not worthy of respect.
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:18:58
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On 19 Feb 97 08:51:00 Laurie Appleton wrote to Martin Goldberg...
LA> less can we believe that it just happened by blind chance.
LA> Superficially the obvious alternative to chance is an
LA> intelligent Designer."
LA> (Dr Richard Dawkins (Department of Zoology, Oxford
LA> University, UK), "The necessity of Darwinism". New
LA> Scientist, vol.94, 15 April 1982, p.130.)
LA> Laurie
Why should anyone beleive anything posted by you, after you claimed to
have strolled around Mt. St. Helens with "former President Harry Truamn"
a decade AFTER Truman died!
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Time Wounds all Heels
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:41:56
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-> On 14 Feb 97 19:12:48, Ken Young got back to Roger Hunter
KY> God has always been, and always will be.
RH> What makes you think so?
KY> Because while you do not believe in God, I do not believe in time.
He
KY> has always been, because to God, time probably doesn't even exist.
KY> Certainly not as we think of it.
And your evidence for this is????????
(Other than wishful thinking to support your allegorical plagiarisitic
faery tale of super-fiend in the sky?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Heathen savages & Homos
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:00:20
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KY>> But, why is it okay for people to be against Christians, but not for
KY>> one to be against homosexuality?
"Common hatred unites the most heterogeneous elements. To share a common
hatred, with an enemy even, is to infect him with a feeling of kinship,
and thus sap his powers of resistance. Hitler used anti-Semitism not
only to unify his Germans but also to sap the resoluteness of Jew-hating
Poland, Rumania, Hungary, and finally even France. He made similar use
of anti-communism." - Eric hoffer, "The True Beleiver"
And your Christian death-cults use homosexuals as the scape goats.
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Christian Love
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:05:48
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KY> Just because gays will go to Hell, does not mean they aren't loved.
And just because Hitler sent his Jews to the ovens doesn't mean they
weren't loved, eh Ken?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Tranquil England
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:12:18
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NS> I have never come accross anything like it myself, and I have been a
NS> Christian for 18 years, all spent in England.
NS> I will be grateful for any posts from anyone on this subject, and hope
NS> people will not abuse my trust.
I would expect England to be a treasure trove of information from the
'anti-religion' movement. After all, London was the home of the
Rationalist Press, home to Bertrand Russell, and Joseph McCabe.
JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:19:22
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On 15 Feb 97 21:25:00 David Ragland wrote to Jan Deboer...
JD>Your first mistake - never get your meat where you get your
JD>bread, goes the saying.
DR> As cute as little saying is, it holds no truth unless you are
DR> referring to casual, meaningless relationships, Jan.
Since the Real, True Christian devotes itself to adoring and
worshipping an imaginary deity, obviously there is little left for
another human but a meaningless relationship.
"Fervent patriotism as well as religious and revolutionary enthusiasm
often serves as a refuge from a guily conscience." - Eric hoffer.
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:25:42
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On 15 Feb 97 21:25:00 David Ragland wrote to Jan Deboer...
DR> Lust is the ape that gibbers at our loins. Tame
DR> him as we will by day, he rages all the wilder
DR> in our dreams by night. Just when we think
DR> we're safe from him, he raises up his ugly head
Ugly head?.......did they botch your circumcision?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:33:34
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NS> God created everything and it was good, then man fell and creation was
NS> corupted as result. By all means argue with Ken, but if you are going
NS> to say the bible says.......then get it right.
Sharks, botulism, vipers, poison ivy, thistles, nettles, cobras,
cholera, quicksand, deserts, scorpions, rats, roaches, mosquitos,
malaria, typhus, rabies, polio, pinworms, lice, fire ants, leeches,
sounds "good" to you?
As for man 'falling', you'd better read the story yourself.
It was entrapment pure and simple, since the victims didn't have the
knowledge to tell good from evil until AFTER they had consumed the
forbidden fruit.
Explain to us the absurdity of your god endowing man alone, of all the
creatures, with the power to reason and learn, and then forbidding him
to use it!
Since your god is allpowerful allknowing, omipotent, he knows the
outcome of his creation before he even starts. Yet, it goes wrong!
Then, he reaks vengenace, like a spoiled human child, and even inflicts
the punishment on the animals!
Then, his creation displeases him AGAIN, and he kills all, including
innocent babes and the unborn, and the innocent animals, except for the
family of the fine upstanding town drunk.
This is the story YOU'RE telling US to read again?
Why don't you find an asylum and read it to amuse the inmates.
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:51:22
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Hello Dan,
On 17 Feb 97 16:46:30 Dan Ceppa wrote to Fredric Rice...
-> On 15 Feb 97 09:16:17, Fredric Rice got back to Dan Ceppa
dc> ... "I'de rather be an idoit and go to heaven.." Kenneth Mcabee
FR> He got one of his wishes.
DC> Hell, that was a given!
ROTFL!
Wonder if he's a hisotry of buff as well as an idoit?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Notime happenings
|Date: 19 Feb 97 19:56:52
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KY>> SOmething beyond the natural, must have created all of
KY>> it.
And your evidence for the super-natural is?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Fundyskool logic
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:19:08
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On 17 Feb 97 12:46:00 David Ragland wrote to Rod Swift...
RS>Assumption invalid. You have not proven that the laws of
RS>physics, nor time, did *NOT* exist prior to the big bang. If you
RS>cannot prove such things by evidence and methodology, then your
RS>hypothesis fails.
DR> I find it most interesting that atheists say things like this
DR> then turn around and declare that Christians are being obtuse for
DR> believing in God and that God does not exist. Two things they
DR> _cannot_ prove by "evidence and methodology".
You need proof that time and the laws of physics exist, imbecile?
Show up for work an hour late every day, and soon you will learn about
time.
Then, step in front of a moving bus, and you will get a lesson in the
laws of physics.
Now, your evidence for god is?
DR> SLMR 2.1a Prove that I am wrong, don't just delcare it... ;)
It isn't up to us to 'disprove' your arrogant imbecilic delusions.
It's up to you to support them with facts. Which hillbilly grade school
did you say you dropped out of?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Skinning sheep
|Date: 19 Feb 97 20:47:38
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On 15 Feb 97 21:41:00 David Ragland wrote to Jan Deboer...
DR> Funny! Very funny. ;) However, we all have our goals. One goal
DR> is proven t be no better than the other on a human level, but God
DR> will make it crystal clear for you as to what He thinks about the
DR> path you have chosen should your head retain it's cinder block
DR> qualities.
God will do this, and god will do that, and god thinks this and god
thinks that....who do you think you are, you arrogant mental case.
Take your delusions of grandeur to the prison psychiatrist.
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Water and Flood.
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:17:46
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On 19 Feb 97 09:01:30 Laurie Appleton wrote to Joe Seatter...
LA> There is NOT any real problem about there being enough
LA> water at all. It could all be a matter about how regular or
LA> irregular the Earth's surface was at the relevant time,
LA> couldn't it?
Why don't you go for a stroll with former President Harry Truman back in
the relevant time, and see for yourself?
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Wonder Woman Comics win
|Date: 19 Feb 97 21:19:44
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Hello Dan,
On 18 Feb 97 18:59:34 Dan Ceppa wrote to David Ragland...
-> On 10 Feb 97 03:13:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DR> gave it up. I've worked at a prison for the last 16 years. I've heard
DC> Just how many license plates did you make?
I thought he worked in the cafeteria and did the body cavity searches.
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: REAL NT Authors!
|Date: 20 Feb 97 06:46:58
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Hello Steve,
On 07 Feb 97 09:05:18 Steve Quarrella wrote to Jan deBoer...
SQ> Salue, Jan!
SQ> Jovis dies February 06 1997, Dixit Jan deBoer ad All:
Jd> Has anyone else checked out the Website that alleges the New Trstament
Jd> was written by the roman Pisio family?.........they make a good case!
SQ> The website is...?
It is http://www.widomaker.com/%7Episo/pisohome.htm
Or, do a websearch for piso.
Note that, in the original message, I made my usual typo - it should be
Piso, _not_ Pisio!
Ta da!
.JdB
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: DARRYL GONZALEZ
|Sub: Evidences for God
|Date: 19 Feb 97 17:41:00
EID:ac46 22538d20
Richard and Darryl were killing time yakking about Evidences for God:
RS> His usage of the terms is incorrect. Still, that he is
RS> convinced of something doesn't make it true. If he believes
RS> that his toothbrush is inhabited by the spirit of Leonardo
RS> da Vinci, is it? Belief is not basis for truth. It is only
RS> belief.
DG> Yes, but remember, here we are dealing with an expert's opinion of the
DG> facts.
An expert in what field of study?
RS> dg> Also, let's read what the famous Russian physicist
RS> dg> Alexander Polyakov said, in the October 1986 issue of
RS> dg> Fortune Magazine. "We know that nature is described by
RS> dg> the best of all possible mathematics because God created
RS> dg> it."
RS>
RS> Again, how does his OPINION establish the veracity of your
RS> claims for the existence of Deity? Hint: it doesn't.
DG> Ah, but it does! It serves to give validity to my earlier statement,
DG> that more and more scientists are realizing that God created the
DG> universe based on their own research.
Actually, less and less scientists are working under that assumption...a
few
hundred years ago, nearly ALL of them agreed with it. That there are still
those who do should be no great surprise.
RS> This, of course, doesn't establish the veracity of the
RS> existence of any Deity either. And yet this is evidence to
RS> you? That's laughable. All you have are a bunch of failed
RS> Appeal to Authority citations, in essence hearsay. You have
RS> NO evidence that would stand up in a court of law.
DG> Really? Expert testimony doesn't hold water in a court of law?
Only if its testimony IN their field of expertise.
RS> dg> In this article
RS> dg> (http://www.leaderu.com/real.ri9403/evidence.html#slides),
RS> dg> he eamined a number of areas of cosmology which are
RS> dg> relevant to the discussion (i.e. the Big Bang theory,
RS>
RS> Which he has no expertise in, being a Mechanical Engineer.
DG> Really? You mean in all his years of study, he's never encountered
DG> the Big Bang theory? How ridiculous! I encountered it during my
DG> freshman year.....
And if he's had that much experience with it, he's no expert in that subject
area, hence you have no 'expert witness'.
DG> Expert opinion, which is what I have presented, is counted as evidence
DG> in a court of law.
Can a dentist, expert though he may be, give 'expert testimony' on the
subject of proctology? All you've done is gather the theological opinions
of a few people in the scientific community, you have not offered any
scientific EVIDENCE of anything, other than that there are scientists who
are
theists...no one is refuting that point.
The fact that there are those who believe in a god doesn not point to evidence
that there IS a god, any more than the fact that there are people who believe
in Santa Claus points to evidence that there IS a Santa Claus - EVEN if
those
people are experts regarding holidays.
DG> Secondly, yes, I DO have such a message from my God. It's called the
DG> BIBLE.
Clarify: Who wrote the Bible? And are you a literalist?
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 19 Feb 97 17:53:00
EID:5c30 22538ea0
Norman and Dan were killing time yakking about Exemplifying examples:
NS> I am a Christian, but over here we get to keep our sense of humour,
DC> It seems it's "not allowed" by most all xian sects around these
DC> parts. Most likely, they make sure that their women do not
DC> wear paten leather shoes, too.
Shoes?? The denominations in your area let the women wear SHOES?? ;)
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: KAREN DAVIS
|Sub: Moin Hallo Hi
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:01:00
EID:e83b 22539020
Dan and Karen were killing time yakking about Moin Hallo Hi:
KD> On (16 Feb 97) Dan Ceppa wrote to Stefan Schaa...
DC> Is that the equivalent of our HS or college level German courses
DC> over here? (If I guessed right about what you wrote.)
KD> 11th form English would be about equivalent to a mid level college
KD> literature course taught in the foreign language. Maybe not QUITE so
KD> demanding, but somewhat higher than that of the typical Junior
KD> Spanish/German/French class here in the states.
*chuckle* bigtime...
When I was in 10th grade, we did a week long 'exchange' with the German
school.
I gulped - HARD - when I walked into their English class, and they were
studying, and discussing, Hamlet. In English. And wanted my opinions of
it.
I had to say I hadn't read it, then rushed to the library to find a copy
before the next day's class.
In our German class, we were still learning noun genders, and had recently
memorized the National Anthem in German. wheee....
And my school, being a DODDS school, was among the BEST our country's public
school system had to offer.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: Quantum crackpot brawley
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:07:00
EID:5b44 225390e0
Ronald and John were killing time yakking about Quantum crackpot brawley:
RC> But John takes his positions seriously, because they all stem
RC> from his Opus Magnum, the "Theory of the Quantum God, and How
RC> John Brawley Learned to Understand the Origins of the Universe,
RC> Arithmetic, and All The Rest". Inspiration for the physical
RC> model courtesy of R. Buckminster Fuller.
RC> Now to arrive at this model, one must first enter into the proper
RC> "philosophical state", called "Know Nothing", which, we all agree,
RC> John seems to have mastered.
RV> ROTFLMAO
RV> Thanks Robert after a week of no HolySmoke, I needed that.
JB> Easily entertained, aren't'ch'a?
JB> Never even mind being entertained by sophistry and falsehood, IF it
JB> suits your preconceived notions.... ;)
I agree....I found your disclaimer about it NOT being a 'real' title far
more amusing. :)
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: still spewing bullshit
|Date: 19 Feb 97 18:08:00
EID:9661 22539100
John and Robert were killing time yakking about still spewing bullshit:
JB> Yet even in infinitesimals, there's no infinitesimal labelled
JB> "zero."
RC> ROFL! You obviously haven't checked those authoritative references
RC> I kindly provided for your education, John. Zero most assuredly
RC> qualifies as an infinitesimal, as that term is standardly defined.
RC> If you want to make up your own private language, let people know, OK?
Hmmm...I wonder if, in his opinion, one can "war" with aliens?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 18 Feb 97 19:42:28
EID:c9cc 22529d40
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DC>> Too bad that your little books says you are wrong. It says
DC>> that your god created _everything_.
NS>
NS> If you are refering to the bible, you are in error. You are not
NS> taking into account the time frame.
NS> God created everything and it was good, then man fell and
NS> creation was corupted as result. By all means argue with
NS> Ken, but if you are going to say the bible says.......then
NS> get it right.
I'm having difficulty here. You claim that Dan is wrong. that the bible
DOES NOT state that god created everything. I don't see where you offer
any evidence for this in thye above passage.
Where does the bible say that god did not create everything?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 18 Feb 97 19:49:47
EID:5057 22529e20
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SQ> Yeah? Well my wife's uncle is a famous US senator, so therefore,
SQ> anything that senator says is right. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah
SQ> nyah. The senator is also alleged to be a space alien, so that
SQ> makes his viewpoint even MORE factual.
Are you sure that he's not an INfamous US senator? What are his views on
making fundies do the heavy work while the rest of us look skeptically at
our lemonade wondering how much BHT they put in it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Doug Schwandt
|Sub: Re: Water and Flood.
|Date: 18 Feb 97 19:55:10
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DS> have two 55 gallon drums filled with water. You begin
DS> beating on one of then with a sledgehammer. How dented would
DS> the drum have to be before you could no longer reasonably
DS> expect 55 gallons of water to fit in it?
The answer is simple, Douggie.
Water is noncompressable. If you were to fill the drums so that there was
no air inside and the seals were air tight, you could beat it for eternity
(or until the drum broke) and never make a dent in it.
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: RE: PEDOPHILE CHRISTIAN C
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:36
EID:0c6b 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 16 Feb 97 09:13am, MARILYN BURGE wrote to BECKE BOYER:
BB>> On the other side of the coin, the power that these private
BB>> schools have can be used for less than honest ulterior
BB>> motives as well. I spent the first 7 years of my schooling in
BB>> private school. Secular private school for the first six, and
BB>> then in 6th grade, I attended a Christian school. My behavior
BB>> had nothing to do with why I was kicked out-- I was kicked
BB>> out because my mother was a divorcee, and because she was
BB>> "living in sin" with her new boyfriend, which made her a bad
BB>> Christian. Naturally, given the definition of "the original
BB>> sin", that made me evil as well. ;) They told my mother and
BB>> I, in no uncertain terms, that I was _not_ welcome back the
BB>> next year.
MB> But, don't you SEE, dear? Had they allowed you to stay --
MB> especially given the fact that they had never heard you condemn
MB> your mother for her sinful behavior -- you might have infected the
MB> other students with TOLERANCE! They
MB> couldn't have THAT, could they?
Actually, I wouldn't have WANTED to go back the next year. They
punished you for petty little things. A few amusing examples. We used to
pass
notes in class. On one of her usual desk dumping inspection rounds, she
found
a few of them, and as punishment, I had to spend recess tearing up papers,
chewing spitballs, and then walking with a mouthful of spitballs to the
bathroom (about 1,000 feet away) to spit them into the toilet. Not once,
not
twice but about 2 dozen times. I got suspended of saying "gosh, gee, golly,
heck, darn, jeez, etc.) (all taking the Lawd's name in vain, dontcha know),
and for wearing a dress they found a little too provocative for a 6th grader
to wear (it was a sundress--they were probably more pissed about the fact
that I still wasn't allowed to wear a bra at this point).
A few more peculiar things I noticed--we didn't have to say the regular
pledge of allegiance, but we had to say the Christian pledge of allegiance
(don't know if you've ever heard it, but instead of with "and liberty and
justice for all", it ends "with liberty and justice to those who believe".)
Science wasn't stressed, what we did learn was from a Creationist
perspective, and 3/4 of the schooling itself was Bible-related (they found
ways to sneak the stuff into EVERY subject..)
When I have kids, I'm going to send them to private school. But I'll be
goat-damned if they get anywhere NEAR a Christian/parochial school of ANY
kind..
Becke
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Mark O'neill
|Sub: RE: DIRECT DIALLING
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:37
EID:0406 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 16 Feb 97 07:07am, MARK O'NEILL wrote to BECKE BOYER:
BB>> Weird. Neato has been working for me, but you may want to try
MO> I did eventually get on two days running and had a bit of a yack. What
MO> time (your time) would be best to find more than five people in
MO> #holysmoke?
Hmm...there's usually a shitload of people there between 9pm and 1am Eastern
Standard Time. Not sure what country you're in, (I assume Australia), but
I'd
wager to say it would be sometime mid-morning for you.
BB>> irc.another.net
MO> I thought it was being moved from here?
Not that I know of. You may be thinking of the move from undernet to
anothernet.
Becke
... "Baldrick, you have the intellectual capacity of a dirty potato."
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: RE: SKEPTIC TANK FILES ON
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:37
EID:3f36 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 05:13pm, FREDRIC RICE wrote to BECKE BOYER:
bb>> Tried using your new feature to request some files, instead
bb>> of transfering the form data into an e-mail, it just brought
bb>> up a blank e-mail box. And when I tried to send you e-mail
bb>> to ask you about it, it wouldn't send the e-mail to you for
bb>> some reason. Is there any alternate way to request files?
FR> I've been learning that several web browsers out in the real world
FR> simply don't support the mailto: action on forms yet. It's an HTML
3.0
FR> specification addition in a world that still mostly runs 2.0... But
FR> it'll happen.
I know what you mean. I think that's the thing that annoys me the most--I
don't mind the browser wars, but I wish Netscape and IE would both agree
on
tags.
FR> Netscape handles the mailto: action. What browser software are you
FR> using?
I was using Internet Explorer to try to access it. I tried Netscape 4.0,
it
worked just fine.
FR> I have more software which scans inbound messages for file names and
FR> searches for them then sends them along -- pretty much automatically.
FR> If you send a list of files that'll work almost as well.
No problem. I managed to get it to work, and got the files a few days ago.
VERY interesting reading. As long as the files aren't altered, and proper
credit is given, do you mind if I use a few of them on my page?
Becke
... *- Christians: Always willing to lay down your life for their belief.
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: RE: SKEPTIC TANK
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:38
EID:67a6 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 06:02pm, FREDRIC RICE wrote to BECKE BOYER:
bb>> check out http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8179/ if you
like
FR> I'll check it! I've made a note. There. I checked it. It's not
FR> complete! But I like the opening and have removed Al's entry in my list
FR> and put yours in.
I know--I've been working on it about 2 weeks now. I've got a few of the
pages just about done, the problem is that I can't do a main page to link
them together until they are ALL done. Perhaps for now I'll just put a site
map listing what pages I _do_ have done. Thanks for the entry in your list.
Give me a few weeks and it'll probably be up to par. =)
bb>> and "patriarchy.html", "kooky.html" and "fundie.html"). At any rate,
bb>> I've run across a shitload of bizarre text files that you _don't_
bb>> have, and pertain to pretty much the subjects you have up there now.
bb>> If you like, I can e-mail them your way as I come across them. Let
bb>> me know.
FR> I would love to get a copy of everything you have, in fact. In fact
I
FR> am expecting to put another 14,000 + files available in the next month
FR> -- all of Ryan Shaw's archives. I need good solid materials for the
FR> second Skeptic Tank.
No problem. I usually save to file when I find something particularly bizarre
anyway. What's the e-mail address again?
FR> I'm specifically targeting right-wing extremist groups this month and
FR> will be getting files from the FBI and BATF on groups and individuals.
FR> If you have anything along those lines I would love to see you
FR> prioritize sending along those!
Ah, so you're looking something in the vein of the Creator's Rights Party
(reconstructionalist bs) then? I have a few of those already, will get them
to you post haste. What I have found however, is that some of the mainstream
RRR type groups are just as extreme, although not as obvious about it. I'll
explain more later (although I'm pretty sure you know where I'm going with
this).
bb>> Also, before I forget, do you mind me putting a link to your page from
bb>> mine? (Just to get an idea of what kind of page mine is, the working
bb>> title is "Why I Am Not a Christian") Let me know about this as well.
FR> Perfect! I'll do so tonight, in fact, and drop you an email message
--
FR> if I can find your email address in my notes. I have bjones@ee.net.
FR> I'll check that against anything in your web pages which indicate a
FR> different address.
I have a few e-mail addys, but bjones@ee.net isn't one of them anymore.
(I
dropped that one when I moved to PA, and it expired on Jan 1st anyway).
You
can get me at bboyer@geocities.com, beckeboyer@geocities.com,
brboyer@hotmail.com, or pboyer@iw1.net. I use either the bboyer or pboyer
ones most often (The pboyer one is Paul's, although we both get mail under
it). As for your link, I'm putting it on the atheist links page. Good enough
place??
Becke
... It's either country music, or nine cats being tortured.
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: RE: "TRUE" CHRISTIAN HATR
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:38
EID:0926 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 06:03pm, FREDRIC RICE wrote to BECKE BOYER:
FR>> homosexuals. There's a book you might look for, "The
fr>> Death Penalty is Proscribed for Homosexuals in the Bible."
bb>> Let me guess...written by Peter J. Peters, right?
FR> That's the one! I looked some time ago about getting a free copy of
it
FR> yet I couldn't find a Christian church willing to hand them out for
FR> free.
Shit, they've got it published on the web (or at least a HUGE excerpt from
it). The URL is lost among my notes, give me a couple of days, and I'll
e-mail the URL to you when I find it.
Becke
... *- The symbol of christianity is the founder killing himself. Think
a
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: RE: "TRUE" CHRISTIAN DODG
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:39
EID:bd62 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 07:55pm, J.J. HITT wrote to BECKE BOYER:
JH> On Feb 13 17:33 97, Becke Boyer of 1:270/722 wrote:
FR>>> There's a book you might look for, "The Death Penalty is
FR>>> Proscribed for Homosexuals in the Bible."
BB>> Let me guess...written by Peter J. Peters, right?
JH> I think you're right.
JH> I've heard "Pastor Peters" selling something with a title
JH> very close to that.
I know. I saw it on the web, and read it for shits and giggles. It had a
very
Phelps-esque feel to it.
Becke
... Insanity is a great way to add spark and spontaneity to life
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: RE: PEDOPHILE CHRISTIAN C
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:40
EID:ac95 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 01:07pm, FREDRIC RICE wrote to RICHARD SMITH:
FR> The fundamentalist brands of death cult "schools," of course, rank much
FR> lower in literacy and even worse in scientific understanding.
FR> Scientific America for January, in fact, covered the Creationist
FR> occultism in specific and pseudo- science in general.
I'm not going to argue with that. I spent the first 8 years of my schooling
in private school--1 1/2 years in fundamentalist Christian schools, and
the
remaining 6 1/2 in just a "normal" (although predominately Jewish <11 out
of
my 13 classmates went to Hebrew School after school hours>) elementary
school.
Needless to say, if it weren't for the background I recieved at the secular
school, I might have actually bought into all the creationist nonsense they
tried to teach at the Christian school. However, the teacher there didn't
much appreciate it when I questioned the crap she was spewing with scientific
facts. Esp. the part when they were trying to pass off a global flood, and
I
asked, "So where did the water go?" ;)
Becke
... *- The most insidious threat to Christianity : education.
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|From: Becke Boyer
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: RE: R DAILY XTIAN PERSECU
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:29:40
EID:b38f 22546ba0
PID: ProBoard 2.15 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8644
On 15 Feb 97 10:32pm, FREDRIC RICE wrote to RICHARD SMITH:
FR> These questions have been explored to various extents in this forum.
FR> Why do women stay with men who hate them and beat them? Why do some
FR> women _want_ to be oppressed? But then it's not entirely a female
FR> thing either... some males want to play Beta to any Alpha which will
FR> dominate them.
I'm reading a book right now on that very subject...pretty good, too..perhaps
I should post some excerpts--it's called "Men Who Hate Women and the Women
who Love Them", authors name escapes me at the moment.
Becke
... Decadence with a redhead is its own reward!
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: All
|Sub: Book Theft
|Date: 20 Feb 97 04:45:48
EID:b2db 225425a0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 330c2b5c
REPLY: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org fc39192a
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Norman Solomon said this about Book Theft
MB>> ... If Jesus were born today, He'd surely refuse to become a Christian
NS> ....Jesus goes to a Rastus (a black guy) in mid 1950's and tells him
to
NS> attend this whites only church in a southern state. Sunday after
NS> Sunday
NS> he goes but the "Good" white people will not let him. After many weeks
NS> Rastus comes home, failing again and cry's out to Jesus. I'm sorry
NS> Lord
NS> they will not let me trying for years to get into that place myself
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!! A christian with a sense of humour! *THAT'S*
what I like to see! Norman may prove a valuable addition to HOLYSMOKE
IMNSHO. A christian who can laugh at themselves and their god definitely
has my meagre approval.
/\\ark...
... "Newborn babies sin non-verbally." Ken Young
--- Spot 1.3a #1526
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Blavatsky?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 04:54:23
EID:f96e 225426c0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 330c2d5f
REPLY: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org 4188c1d3
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Norman Solomon said this about Blavatsky?
G'day Norman,
AG>> (3:711/933)
NS> ^----------->Does this indicate Australia? (anyone)
Sure is mate. There's a few of us in here. I'll just check the ol'
nodelist and see where Anthony hails from. West Ryde. (An outer suburb of
Sydney).
/\\ark...
... Lack of a religion, is a religion in itself -- Ken Young
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Abram Garcia
|Sub: Have enough already, dickbrain?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 12:23:21
EID:687a 225462e0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 330c966a
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
Where are you, you cowardly little prick? You wanted the opportunity to
educate the masses, so, now's your chance. Get that pious finger of yours
out of your virginal freckle and start educating dammit! You're in the
big leagues now, boy. Have some balls and post something for fuck's sake.
What a spineless little pillowbiter you are.
/\\ark...
... ARGH! Arf... -Jim Staal
--- Spot 1.3a #1526
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re:
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:18
EID:b722 22419440
MSGID: 1:3652/1 32F3F9C2
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jason Harmon <=-
AS> Well...remember I think Jesus was an incarnation of God. In that
AS> respect, he says, "Do as I said...and did."
JH> You mean like cursing out-of-season fig trees?
AS> Yeppers. Better than cursing people, anyday.
I guess that's true. But why did Jesus, who was supposedly perfect,
curse a fig tree for not producing figs, which was impossible for it
to do during that time of season?
... "I give you these 15...(CRASH!) Ten...TEN COMMANDMENTS!"
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: "flat earth" town
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:18
EID:41d2 22419440
MSGID: 1:3652/1 32F3F9C3
-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Dan Ceppa <=-
KW> Here, they also devote great gouts of class time to addressing the
KW> hows of taking a test and test anxiety. If they would just
KW> stop worrying about that test, and get on with letting the teachers
KW> teach they would probably get better scores.
This year we have two new classes at the high school. One has the
nice preppy name of "Freshman Focus." What do they do to fill up
a semesters worth of hour-and-a-half classes? Well, they take a tour
of the school the first day, talk about building good study habits,
do the obligatory section on drugs, and then the rest of the class
is basically a study hall. This was told to me by my sister, who is
made to take this class whether she likes it or not.
The second new class (which freshman and sophomores also must take) is
School-to-work. I don't have to take the class, but they stuck me in
there anyway and refuse to let me out. Anyway, what are we supposed to
learn in there? Last year when I asked that question I was told we
would learn how to apply for a job interview and how to fill out an
application. When I asked what else, they tended to ignore me.
Now I know why.
So far this semester all we have done is take tests to measure
our communication and assertiveness skills.
And this class is going to be a required course.
... "Not a morning person" doesn't even begin to cover it.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:18
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jason Harmon <=-
AS> No; but suppose the salvation of all mankind depended on the raping
AS> of a little girl, for some oddball reason...would we thank the rapist?
AS> It still is a reprehensible act.
JH> It is indeed. But should the rapist be held responsible if it was
JH> all part of God's "great plan"? If that was the case, we should
JH> probably neither thank or vilify the rapist. Just curse the god who
JH> made the rapist's actions necessary.
AS> Would you? I wouldn't.
You wouldn't curse a god who made the raping of a girl necessary?!?!
AS> I would blame the rapist, who is, after all,
AS> doing the act. I doubt if you or I COULD rape someone, especially a
AS> little girl, no matter what it depended on.
I know I couldn't.
Anyway, dig this scenario. God offers a plan of salvation that involves
a 9 year old girl being raped. Would mankind ever be saved?
JH> Was it necessary for Jesus to be betrayed by someone?
AS> It was necessary for Him to die; past that, you got me.
Why would god make death a necessary part of salvation?
JH> Why? Didn't betraying Jesus satisfy the will of God?
AS> No; any more than someone who is a sadist is to be commended because
AS> he tortures a murderer.
Once again, was it necessary for Jesus to be betrayed?
JH> What would have happened had Jesus lived to be an old man and died
JH> of natural causes? Would all sins still be supposedly washed away?
AS>
AS> Got me.
A bed wouldn't look good on top of a church anyway.
The main problem I'm having with all this is that it looks like, to
fulfill God's plan, Jesus would have had to have been betrayed and
be cruelly put to death. The problem I have is the vilification of
Judas, who some could see as the ultimate Christian martyr.
JH> I think I'll stick you in the combination Rush Limbaugh/Macarena
JH> room.
AS> AYAAHHHH!!!! Boy, the Grand Inquisitor has nothing on you...
Hey, I love my work!
AS> Aren't we all sent here with the knowledge that we will die? Does
AS> that mean we should praise those who speed it up, like murderers?
JH> You know what I mean, Al. Jesus was not sent here to die of natural
JH> causes. Where would your mythologies be if the sins of the world
JH> were washed away by a guy dying in his sleep?
AS>
AS> Well, it wouldn't be as dramatic......and in all honesty...it
AS> wouldn't touch us all so much.
"Wouldn't touch us all so much"? You sound like you think Yahweh had
this thing scripted to milk the most emotion as possible out of
the audience. Is this the impression you meant to give?
... Do you know Jesus? If so, please tell him he owes me $10.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: RE: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting David Ragland to Al Schroeder <=-
DR> I agree. Becke is also overlooking the issue of the sovereignty
DR> of God here, Al. I mean, if someone is to question His right to make
DR> someone pregnant, then you must also question His right to create us
as
DR> He did.
So god can just do anything he wants, and we can't complain about
it??
DR> You must question His having done "everything" that He did.
DR> The pregnancy of Mary cannot be used to equate discerning the
DR> righteousness of God's actions those of man. This is two separate
DR> realms of thought. He is God. But that's just my opinion, even if it's
DR> right. :)
You're a good little bootlicker, aren't you?
... Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: Bible disproves bible
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> Who decides the correct context, Al - you?
AS> God ultimately will decide whether we are reading it correctly.
You know, it would be nice if this god of yours would give us
some hints on how we're supposed to read it.
... Puritanism: The fear that someone, somewhere might be having fun.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jason Harmon <=-
AS> Asking forgiveness is extortion???
JH> Automatically damning people for eternity and then telling them to
JH> ask for forgiveness is extortion.
AS> If it were that way, sure. But the bit in Romans about a pagan's
AS> conscience being its advocate before God makes it sound like it's not
AS> the only way.
Then there's no reason to become a Christian then, is there?
AS> Anyway, it also promises that we will have a cross to bear in this
AS> life, and that the world shall despise the believer. So it ALSO
AS> promises that we'll have it pretty rough in the here and now.
JH> Guess what? Everybody has problems. Despite it's use of the symbol,
JH> Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on bearing crosses.
AS>
AS> Very true. Although some have it rougher than others.
So don't go saying Christianity's right because it says there's
trouble in the world.
... And God said, "NO NO, DON'T TOUCH THA..."
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Re: J.J. needs to be Hitt
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting David Ragland to Al Schroeder <=-
DR> Something to consider:
DR>
DR> Genesis 3:14: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou
DR> hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and
DR> above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt
DR> thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy
DR> life:
DR> Now, does this not imply that no serpent crawled upon it's belly
DR> before this curse took place? Could it be that "this" is where the
DR> dino-dudes met with destruction or at least why?
Are you saying Eve was tempted by a dinosaur?!
Maybe I was right. Barney is Satan.
... "This man is scaring me." - Wakko
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jason Harmon <=-
RH> I asked my wife how she could be happy in Heaven, knowing I was
RH> burning in Hell.
AS> Oooohhhh. THAT's a rough question.
RH> Her answer was that she would not remember me. Now, since we have
AS> What???? Where does she get that?
JH> Maybe it's "God's plan" for keeping us happy.
AS> Maybe, but there's no hint of it in Scripture.
There's also no hint of your theory that "God sees all possible
futures and doesn't know the real one" in scripture.
JH> Would you be happy if you knew your wife was burning for eternity?
AS>
AS> Whether my wife has yeast infections or not is none of your
AS> business. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Um...I really didn't need to hear that.
AS> No, I don't think I could.
And you wouldn't be mad at your god if this situation occurred?
... God so loved the world that He made up His mind to damn most of it.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Re: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Joseph Keenan <=-
JS> I know nothing of these 'fundies' of which you speak. I do know,
JS> however, that individuals who make claims of being the returned
JS> Messiah are no Christians.
JS>
JS> (Mat 24:23 NIV) At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is
JS> the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
JS>
JS> (Mat 24:24 NIV) For false Christs and false prophets will appear and
JS> perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that
JS> were possible.
So what's gonna happen when Jesus comes back? You and your brethren
going to kill him again?
... The results of your IQ test are back. They're negative.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Nick Ravenwood
|Sub: Re: Our Daily Slave
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Nick Ravenwood to Satan <=-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gee, look whose back!
NR> He never did. What he received was a reply from an unimaginative
NR> dumb ass who used the alias "Satan" instead of thinking of something
NR> more original. There is no Satan, and those who believe in him are
NR> seriously fooling themselves. (Diabolical laughter)
"Diabolical laughter"? Are you going to start calling people
cattle again?
NR> Maliethorn
How many times did you commit suicide while you were out of the echo?
... "I dunno, I might let him live. We'll see." - Slappy
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Leonard Bernier
|Sub: Re: Psalm 22:7-8 / Matthew 27:38-44
|Date: 01 Feb 97 18:34:19
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-=> Quoting Leonard Bernier to All <=-
LB> PRAISE GOD !
LB> PROPHECY: - The Messiah will be mocked.
Didn't take a Nostradomus to figure that out, huh?
Tell your god he's a cheap son-of-a-bitch and that I want those 5
bucks he owes me.
... You are terminally stupid and beyond resuscitation. - Marty Leipzig
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: ...
|Date: 05 Feb 97 20:39:09
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to ROBERT CURRY <=-
AS> I've specified them over and over again, Robert. Loss of initiative.
AS> A feeling of being trapped, of living in a divine police state, a
AS> supernatural theocracy which can never be overthrown. Loss of true
AS> freedom of thought and action, for fear that it would go against a Big
AS> Brother who you can never escape and never thwart.
Sounds like Heaven to me.
... "Bother", said Pooh as he drank his fifth Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: Al the Revisionist Historian
|Date: 05 Feb 97 20:39:09
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> We _WERE_ already _IN_ paradise, but your god set up a nasty
Jd> entrapment for our predecessors, and they were evicted from paradise
on
Jd> a flimsy excuse.
AS>
AS> A bottle is clearly marked "poison". Someone is specifically warned
AS> against it. And you blame the person who put the poison label and
AS> gave the warnings against drinking it, for the person who drank it?
I would blame the person who put the bottle of poison there in the
first place.
... God so loved the world that He made up His mind to damn most of it.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 07 Feb 97 15:59:58
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Paul Davis <=-
PD> Yeah, by throwing them in a brimstone pit. If that's
PD> forgiveness then I prefer to be judged.
KY> Nope.. If one asks for forgivenss, no one will be put there..
If just ONE person asks for forgiveness NO ONE will go to hell?
That's one aspect of your mythology I've never heard before.
KY> And of course, God has never put anyone there.. People do it to
KY> themselves..
Riiiight. I refuse to go to hell. So, where do I go when I die?
If I have a choice, I'll drop by heaven to torment you and your
brethren.
... Do what comes naturally now. Throw a tantrum.--- SF-Quick 1.20
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Re: Idiocy
|Date: 07 Feb 97 15:59:59
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-=> Quoting David Ragland to Mark Kimes <=-
DR> Before you do so, remember this: Revelations 21:8
DR> I now put this all behind me, though. Here is why:
DR> Matthew 5:29
If your going to keep quoting your bible like this, you're going to
have to give us a reason to trust it. So, do you have any evidence
that this book of yours can be trusted?
P.S. Being the nice guy I am, let me give you some advice. Get a book
on logic and find the definition of "circular logic." Better learn
it now, because I've gotta feeling I'm going to be telling it to you
later.
... Jesus loves you. I don't. Fuck off.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: ...
|Date: 07 Feb 97 15:59:59
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Richard Smith <=-
KY> You really missed the point, didn't you? Jesus came to give us
KY> everlasting life, so yes, his death was a large part of the plan. As
KY> well as his return was..
Seeing is how Al seems to have left for a while, I'll pose this
question to you. Was it necessary for salvation that Jesus died
a violent death? Would all the sins be washed away if he died
in his sleep?
KY> Not just death, but resurrection..
I trust you have some evidence for this resurrection of yours.
... If thinking is too hard, quote the Bible.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Driving Mr. Daisy
|Date: 08 Feb 97 12:37:24
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> Ever noticed, Ken, that the voices telling us how evil and sinful our
Jd> society has become, are the same ones proclaiming we live in a
Jd> Judaeo-Chrisitan society, and that as the number of Churches increase,
Jd> things seem to get worse?
KY>
KY> Well, complain to the churches, then, that they aren't preaching the
KY> gospel..
And who let you decide what's gospel and what isn't? Are these people
Not True Christians?
KY> And it isn't so much that we live in a Judeo-Christian society, as I
KY> sure can't see it. Rather, it is that we are supposed to be in a
KY> Judeo-Christian society..
And why are we "supposed to be in a Judeo-Christian society"?
Just because you believe in some old book?
KY> Seems that when this was more of a Christian society, things were a
KY> lot better.
When exactly was this more of a Christian society? When we were
killing witches? When we were accusing people of being "godless
communists"? When children were made to pray in schools?
... When was it that last time that you saw a _word_ kill someone?
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Hypocritical people
|Date: 08 Feb 97 12:37:24
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Sally Springett <=-
SS> It is quite another to accept as literally true a book, written by
SS> dozens of people over a millennium, that is replete with provable
SS> falsehood and contradiction.
KY>
KY> Provable falsehood and contradiction? Care to share an example?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How did Judas die?
KY> ANd do you need to research, when God tells you what to write? If God
KY> doesn't know the truth, I do not know who would..
Are those voices in your head claiming they're god again?
... "Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions"-Jerry Falwell
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ayesha Williams
|Sub: Re: Conversion
|Date: 10 Feb 97 20:42:14
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-=> Quoting Ayesha Williams to All <=-
AW> Why is it that it seems that every Christian church is trying to
AW> convert the whole world?
Because they are. They have a book that tells them to.
... "Go forth and hassle all nations."
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Leonard Bernier
|Sub: Re: Psalm 22:17 / Luke 23:35
|Date: 10 Feb 97 20:42:14
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-=> Quoting Leonard Bernier to All <=-
LB> PRAISE GOD !
LB>
LB> PROPHECY: - People will stare at the Messiah.
LB> They look and stare at Me.
LB>
LB> FULFILLMENT: And the people stood looking on.
This is the damnest lame "prophecy" I've ever heard, Lenny.
Methinks you need to get a new batch. Or maybe start posting
something ORIGINAL. Can you handle that, or can you only
mindlessly parrot stuff?
... Have I found God? What, did you lose him AGAIN?
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Re: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 10 Feb 97 20:42:14
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-=> Quoting Sally Springett to David Ragland <=-
SS> Insult, whining, tacky attempts to make me feel guilty, and cheap
SS> pop psychology can't change that fact or obfuscate your attempt to
SS> side step the issue. What could _possibly_ be more arrogant?
A ?
Oh, you aren't talking to Al are you?
... "Damn you all!" said Pooh, being more forthright than usual.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Re: Most Read Book
|Date: 10 Feb 97 20:42:14
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-=> Quoting David Worrell to Ken Young <=-
KY> came here in part to escape religious tyranny. Nowhere will you find
KY> one of them saying that they were trying to escape Christian tyranny.
DW>
DW> Were they trying to escape Muslim tyranny? Hindu tyranny? Jewish
DW> tyranny?
He'll probably say Not True Christian tryanny. Them folks have
been around for a while, you know.
... Barnum was wrong..it's more like every 30 seconds.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Why do you NEED to be saved?
|Date: 10 Feb 97 20:42:14
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Martin Goldberg <=-
Damn. You're way more fucked up than I thought.
KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an interesting possibility,
KY> there have been many to say they heard torturous screams of agony when
KY> they dug too deep in the earth.. Now, if that is so, could it be Hell?
And you're going to homeschool your children?!?! THIS is the reason
why many people are on here, buddy. It is because of idiots like
you who try to push their ignorance onto generation after generation
of children. You are one fucked up individual, and I hope whatever
children you have do not turn out like you.
KY> If not, what are those sounds coming from?
It could be their minds, screaming to be used. Do you hear
screaming, Kenny?
... Tagline Deleted: Nothing funny about this shit.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: A baby + God = Hell
|Date: 11 Feb 97 18:44:07
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> But, Ken.....newborns SPEAKING LIES fresh outta the womb? Just SPEAKING
Jd> would be miraculous........and your evidence for this is?
KY> It doesn't have to be verbally.
How could they lie? Point to the bottle when they're not really
hungry?
... (continued from previous tagline) sex (see next tagline)
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 11 Feb 97 18:44:07
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Dan Ceppa <=-
KY> God created everything, but gave us the ability to screw up and create
KY> our own problems, including leukemia. God did not create leukemia,
but
KY> more than likely, mankind did.
Why don't you go ahead and say it? You think those Wicked Ol' Athiests
created leukemia.
Please tell us again why you want to home school your children.
... "Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust! **
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Fundies
|Date: 11 Feb 97 18:44:07
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Jim Goodman <=-
KY> How about because we got here somehow? That would be a good start..
KY> And even if you can argue about evolution or something, there is still,
KY> how did time, mass, and everything else come to be? SOmething beyond
KY> the natural, must have created all of it.
I may regret this later...but I'll grant you the above point.
Now, what evidence do you have that shows YOUR god created everything
and not, say, Vishnu?
... Visit scenic R'lyeh! See the impossible angles! Sit on Cthulhu's lap!
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: READING INCOMPREHENSI
|Date: 11 Feb 97 18:44:07
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Dave Hamilton <=-
KY> Part of growing up is accepting reality, something non-Christians have
KY> yet to do.
You believe in global floods, gods, floating axeheads, dead men
coming back to life, people walking on water, a universe created
in six days, and virgins giving birth.
And you say WE'RE not accepting reality? If your above statement is
true, Christians must be embryos.
... Errata: "In the beginning" should read "Catch this shit..."
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:16
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Paul Davis <=-
PD> Yeah, by throwing them in a brimstone pit. If that's
PD> forgiveness then I prefer to be judged.
KY> Nope.. If one asks for forgivenss, no one will be put there..
If just ONE person asks for forgiveness NO ONE will go to hell?
That's one aspect of your mythology I've never heard before.
KY> And of course, God has never put anyone there.. People do it to
KY> themselves..
Riiiight. I refuse to go to hell. So, where do I go when I die?
If I have a choice, I'll drop by heaven to torment you and your
brethren.
... Do what comes naturally now. Throw a tantrum.--- SF-Quick 1.20
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Idiocy
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:16
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-=> Quoting David Ragland to Mark Kimes <=-
DR> Before you do so, remember this: Revelations 21:8
DR> I now put this all behind me, though. Here is why:
DR> Matthew 5:29
If your going to keep quoting your bible like this, you're going to
have to give us a reason to trust it. So, do you have any evidence
that this book of yours can be trusted?
P.S. Being the nice guy I am, let me give you some advice. Get a book
on logic and find the definition of "circular logic." Better learn
it now, because I've gotta feeling I'm going to be telling it to you
later.
... Jesus loves you. I don't. Fuck off.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: ...
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:16
EID:69e5 22505f60
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Richard Smith <=-
KY> You really missed the point, didn't you? Jesus came to give us
KY> everlasting life, so yes, his death was a large part of the plan. As
KY> well as his return was..
Seeing is how Al seems to have left for a while, I'll pose this
question to you. Was it necessary for salvation that Jesus died
a violent death? Would all the sins be washed away if he died
in his sleep?
KY> Not just death, but resurrection..
I trust you have some evidence for this resurrection of yours.
... If thinking is too hard, quote the Bible.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Driving Mr. Daisy
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
EID:a88f 22505f60
MSGID: 1:3652/1 3307964F
-=> Quoting Ken Young to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> Ever noticed, Ken, that the voices telling us how evil and sinful our
Jd> society has become, are the same ones proclaiming we live in a
Jd> Judaeo-Chrisitan society, and that as the number of Churches increase,
Jd> things seem to get worse?
KY>
KY> Well, complain to the churches, then, that they aren't preaching the
KY> gospel..
And who let you decide what's gospel and what isn't? Are these people
Not True Christians?
KY> And it isn't so much that we live in a Judeo-Christian society, as I
KY> sure can't see it. Rather, it is that we are supposed to be in a
KY> Judeo-Christian society..
And why are we "supposed to be in a Judeo-Christian society"?
Just because you believe in some old book?
KY> Seems that when this was more of a Christian society, things were a
KY> lot better.
When exactly was this more of a Christian society? When we were
killing witches? When we were accusing people of being "godless
communists"? When children were made to pray in schools?
... When was it that last time that you saw a _word_ kill someone?
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Hypocritical people
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
EID:d99b 22505f60
MSGID: 1:3652/1 33079650
-=> Quoting Ken Young to Sally Springett <=-
SS> It is quite another to accept as literally true a book, written by
SS> dozens of people over a millennium, that is replete with provable
SS> falsehood and contradiction.
KY>
KY> Provable falsehood and contradiction? Care to share an example?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How did Judas die?
KY> ANd do you need to research, when God tells you what to write? If God
KY> doesn't know the truth, I do not know who would..
Are those voices in your head claiming they're god again?
... "Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions"-Jerry Falwell
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Re: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
EID:2acb 22505f60
MSGID: 1:3652/1 33079651
-=> Quoting Sally Springett to David Ragland <=-
SS> Insult, whining, tacky attempts to make me feel guilty, and cheap
SS> pop psychology can't change that fact or obfuscate your attempt to
SS> side step the issue. What could _possibly_ be more arrogant?
A ?
Oh, you aren't talking to Al are you?
... "Damn you all!" said Pooh, being more forthright than usual.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: Why do you NEED to be saved?
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
EID:9f8a 22505f60
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Martin Goldberg <=-
Damn. You're way more fucked up than I thought.
KY> Also, and this is not proof, but rather an interesting possibility,
KY> there have been many to say they heard torturous screams of agony when
KY> they dug too deep in the earth.. Now, if that is so, could it be Hell?
And you're going to homeschool your children?!?! THIS is the reason
why many people are on here, buddy. It is because of idiots like
you who try to push their ignorance onto generation after generation
of children. You are one fucked up individual, and I hope whatever
children you have do not turn out like you.
KY> If not, what are those sounds coming from?
It could be their minds, screaming to be used. Do you hear
screaming, Kenny?
... Tagline Deleted: Nothing funny about this shit.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: READING INCOMPREHENSION
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
EID:0340 22505f60
MSGID: 1:3652/1 33079653
-=> Quoting Ken Young to Dave Hamilton <=-
DH> Who is it that has told you the bible is true?
KY> The Christian God did.
1. How do you know it was the Christian God? (BTW, what's his name?)
2. If you know it was:
a) What evidence do you have that it was the Christian God?
b) How do you know you can trust the Christian God?
3. If you don't know it was:
a) Why did you say it was the Christian God?
b) Do you always listen to the voices in your head?
KY> First, society no longer accepts Christians in general.
Uh-huh. You're just mad that society contains non-Christians who
do evil stuff like run Proctor & Gamble and create leukemia.
KY> Oh, but you don't truly take responsibility for your actions.. You
KY> fail to accept even the possibility that there could be a place for
KY> those who followed the wrong path.
Where would this "place" be?
KY> And I do not blame God or Satan for our problems. In fact, I have
KY> been saying all along, that our problems, are the fault of mankind.
Even though God knew we would do these things and created us
anyway.
... The results of your IQ test are back. They're negative.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Them lying month-olds
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Jan deBoer <=-
Jd> But, Ken.....newborns SPEAKING LIES fresh outta the womb? Just SPEAKING
Jd> would be miraculous........and your evidence for this is?
KY> It doesn't have to be verbally.
How could they lie? Point to the bottle when they're not really
hungry?
... (continued from previous tagline) sex (see next tagline)
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re:
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Dan Ceppa <=-
KY> God created everything, but gave us the ability to screw up and create
KY> our own problems, including leukemia. God did not create leukemia,
but
KY> more than likely, mankind did.
Why don't you go ahead and say it? You think those Wicked Ol' Athiests
created leukemia.
Please tell us again why you want to home school your children.
... "Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust! **
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Accepting Reality
|Date: 16 Feb 97 11:59:17
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-=> Quoting Ken Young to Dave Hamilton <=-
KY> Part of growing up is accepting reality, something non-Christians have
KY> yet to do.
You believe in global floods, gods, floating axeheads, dead men
coming back to life, people walking on water, a universe created
in six days, and virgins giving birth.
And you say WE'RE not accepting reality? If your above statement is
true, Christians must be embryos.
... Errata: "In the beginning" should read "Catch this shit..."
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Jason Harmon
|To: All
|Sub: Test
|Date: 19 Feb 97 15:28:21
EID:f6e4 22537b80
MSGID: 1:3652/1 330B8624
Hello, hello?
Is this thing on?
... Recursive (ri-kur-siv) adj. See "Recursive."
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#18)
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: More fucking christians
|Date: 20 Feb 97 02:04:51
EID:c474 22541080
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330bb143
-> On 18 Feb 97 14:41:28, Steve Quarrella got back to Mark O'Neill
SQ> Roy Sullivan was (is?) a United States park ranger who was hit by
SQ> lightning multiple times (I recall that he was hit seven or eight
SQ> times) and still managed to survive.
If it's the same Forest Ranger that I think you are talking
about, he got hid by a lightning bolt once too many times.
... Pope goes to Mount Olive. Popeye damn near kills him.
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Water and Flood.
|Date: 20 Feb 97 02:10:45
EID:7b85 22541140
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 330bb2a5
-> On 19 Feb 97 04:01:30, Laurie Appleton got back to Joe Seatter
JS> the earth's surface isn't smooth, moron, and wasn't
JS> around the time of the biblical flood.
LA> Just try to skip the "moron" bits eh. If you have a valid
LA> point then why not let that make your point?
The valid point is that you _are_ a moron, Laurie. Each
and every one one you posts is evidence to that very fact.
Now, run along and hone your head again in the pencil
sharpener.
... Appleton: More hopping mad than any kangaroo.
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Believing vs Nonbelie
|Date: 20 Feb 97 05:29:21
EID:58f6 22542ba0
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REPLY: 1:123/67.5 330b8cce
On (19 Feb 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to Marilyn Burge...
MB> said that had she been on the first jury and subject to the
MB> additional burden of proof, she would have found him innocent.
DC> However, that still leaves us why how he got to be tried
DC> in both crimal and civil courts for the same action(s).
The answer to that lies in the words "civil" and "criminal."
You can only be tried once for the CRIME. In the second
instance, he was not found guilty, he was found civially
liable, which by definition can impose no criminal penalties
on you, but "merely" civil damages.
I know. It's a fine line, but apparently lawyers regard it
as a very real one.
I think they cross it when they exact PUNITIVE damages in
whatever amount, even if only a dollar.
... 2000 years ago Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 20 Feb 97 05:32:54
EID:6d81 22542c00
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 f6cfd7a3
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 86f9dade
On (18 Feb 97) John Brawley babbled to Marilyn Burge...
JB> On 17 Feb 97, Marilyn Burge wrote:
MB> On (16 Feb 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to John Brawley...
-> On 13 Feb 97 04:59:49, John Brawley got back to ROBERT CURRY
JB> And I suppose there is no "smallest nonzero number," either?
JB> (*chuckle*)
DC> For once, John, you supposed right.
MB> Infinite in both directions. Wadda surprise! NOT!
JB> "...in both directions" from _what_, Marilyn?
From an imnaginary line between the lowest possible (nonexistent)
positive number, and the largest possible (nonexistent) negative
number.
If you are trying to drag me into the "zero is not a number"
debate, forget it. I don't really care one way or the other,
as I'm not a mathematician. I'm just a lowly ninth-grade
dropout.
... The only 4.0 you got in school was your blood alcohol content.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: What the..?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 09:18:43
EID:ef53 22544a40
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 3ed0ab82
REPLY: 1:2613/313@ 6e93483b
On (19 Feb 97) Sally Springett wrote to Ed Mills...
SS> Hey, he's only 61! I know that because we have always been the same
SS> age. (Unlike Elizabeth Taylor, who used to be my age but is now
SS> four years older.) He may have had the weasel _look_ removed but
SS> it's far too late for the brain.
I thought he was older because it seemed like he was in his forties
when I was a tyke, like all the other bible-thumpers were.
Nowadays, it doesn't seem like such a high percentage of us forty &
up are religious, and a lot more young people are.
Is it just me?
edweird
... ZEAL: a passion that goeth before a sprawl. (Bierce)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 09:31:16
EID:bbae 22544be0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 febbf066
REPLY: 1:2613/313@ 71673e61
On (17 Feb 97) Sally Springett wrote to Ed Mills...
EM> Well? Am I just being paranoid, or should I be sleeping with
EM> my pants on and a round in the chamber?
SS> Good grief, why didn't you just paint a bullseye on your door? It
SS> was a good letter but you didn't leave those clever little escape
SS> hatches that allow those you are pillorying to say "He doesn't mean
SS> good, kind, well-meaning ME" and, therefore, preserves your own
SS> precious backside. Whether it's brave or foolish is in the eye of
SS> the beholder.
The editorial department required an address for letters, but doesn't
ever actually print them, only the general geographical area, e.g.,
"NW Portland." That's what made it seem like a stretch, because they'd
have to have divulged it to someone inquiring. Unles there are other
ways I don't know about.
SS> Didn't you just move? That should make it harder to find you and
SS> they do tend to go off at once rather than sitting around actually
SS> _thinking_ about it, don't you find?
Yeah, it's not a worry now. Fucking cretins.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 09:41:26
EID:406d 22544d20
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 637ba180
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 330b300c
On (19 Feb 97) Richard Smith wrote to Ed Mills...
EM> Well? Am I just being paranoid,
RS> Yes, but that doesn't mean you're wrong.
EM> or should I be sleeping with my pants
EM> on and a round in the chamber?
RS> Probably NOT a bad idea, though if it happened four months
RS> ago, it's probably safe to leave the house by now.
Have moved since then, as well.
RS> I don't think anyone else here has been shot at for
RS> expressing their views. You may have started a new club!
Certainly the first of its kind on this side of the Mason-Dixon
line. With a slight twist this time, though - the heretics are
better armed than the crusaders. At least this particular one, who
will be pleasantly surprised, next time, to have his/her .38's
reciprocated with .44, .45 or 7.62X39 party favors.
RS> At ANY rate, be careful and take care.
Not much chance of anything happening at the new place, I'm pretty
sure. Which is kind of a shame - it's so much more defensible, from
a field-of-fire standpoint.
edweird
... MISFORTUNE: the fortune that never misses. (Ambrose Bierce)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Meggeromania
|Date: 20 Feb 97 09:59:59
EID:1aca 22544f60
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 d27fffc5
REPLY: 1:229/622.0 330ad8db
On (14 Feb 97) Jan deBoer wrote to Ed Mills...
Jd> In your search for a prop, have you considered the old beanie hats
Jd> with the prop? Attach your little stepper generator to the prop, add
a
Jd> couple of clip-cords long enough to reach the gonads, and you've got
Jd> heavenly headgear! Add a lightning rod, give 'em a can of jolt cola,
Jd> and you've got the perfect equipment for the faithful to wear while
Jd> walking to church during a thunderstorm.
Wouldn't adding random electricity to those brains be a bit like
taking coal to Newcastle?
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Anthony Grigor-Prewett
|Sub: 666
|Date: 20 Feb 97 11:37:38
EID:b8cd 22545ca0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 02148aab
RIC CARTER's ears were assailed thus by the lush, sensuous lips of
Anthony Grigor-Prewett:
Irrational greetings in the precious Name of the
God of Mental Illness, Jesus H. Fucking Christ:
------------------------------------------------------------------
AG> 112 + 503 + 51 = 666
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Given the sums of the digits in the number of each letter (Q is the
17th so Q = 1+7):
3+ 8+ 9+ 9+ 10+2+ 9+ 1+ 5+ 7+ 9+ 5+ 5+ 2+ 9+ 5+ 7+ 10+ 9+ 5+
AG> C h r i s t i a n g r e e t i n g s i n
2+ 8+ 5+ 7+ 9+ 5+ 3+ 9+ 6+ 3+ 10+ 5+ 1+ 4+ 5+ 6+ 6+
AG> t h e p r e c i o u s N a m e o f
6+ 3+ 9+ 3+ 6+ 9+ 4+ 1+ 5+ 10+3+ 10+ 3+ 8+ 9+ 9+ 10+2
AG> o u r L o r d J e s u s C h r i s t .
= 333.
Multiply by the number of surnames in Anthony Grigor-Prewett:
666.
AG> Why? The Old Roman Empire was divided into these ten: Ostrogoths, Alemani,
AG> Franks, Burgundians, Suevi, Anglo-Saxons, Visigoths, Lombards, Heruli,
and
AG> Vandals. There will be a new alliance following the earthquake that
sinks
AG> Los Angeles and 1100x4-500 miles of California at the close of the Gentile
AG> dispensation. Its purpose will be to stop Communism because Russian
troops
AG> will attack and invade mainland USA.
I understand that the side effects of the Prolixin and the
Thorazine aren't a whole lot of fun, but look what happens
when you quit cold turkey!
edweird
... Hey! Who put beer in the LSD?
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 20 Feb 97 12:06:38
EID:b200 225460c0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 822f0ac9
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 3308a0bf
Ed Mills's ears were assailed thus by the lush, sensuous lips of Don Martin:
EM> The article didn't say where Jennifer's head is at now; I hope she
EM> came to understand that religion is a form of mental illness and it
EM> can be conquered by simply recognizing the Christianic death-cult for
EM> what it is.
DM> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
EM> Well? Am I just being paranoid, or should I be sleeping with my pants
EM> on and a round in the chamber?
DM> Was the letter published? If it was not, you may have been
DM> visited by a staffer (who would have had your full address and not
DM> just the City, ST that gets printed). If it was published, you may
DM> have had a friend of a staffer (or the staffer himself) unless you
DM> are in the phone book with full address details.
That's the weird part. It was published, but I'm totally unlisted and
the Willamette Week is a decidedly liberal publication.
DM> Before going to red
DM> alert, get out your flak jacket, send the family to grandmas, and
DM> write another letter. Should more holes appear in your car and
DM> house, you may have reason to doubt the benevolence of your local
DM> Christians.
The malevolence of Christians, local or not, has never been at
issue. ;)
DM> If the second letter fails to elicit gunplay, you may simply
DM> have received a bit of gratuitous nastiness so typical of our
DM> society today and have nothing to worry about.
I owe a debt of gratitude to those Lutheran boys who vigorously
disciplined me for my heresy in the House of the Lord, when I was
a kid. It was a fortunate early immunization.
edweird
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|From: Mark Kimes
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: "IS NOT"
|Date: 20 Feb 97 18:43:53
EID:918b 22549560
MSGID: 1:102/735.0 2254957a
TID: DBSMail 2.10c
JB>>>> Some of us have rafts....
RC>>> Yours appears rather overinflated; careful that it doesn't burst.
HP>> (Pssst! Hey, Brawley! He's not actually talking about rafts. Get
HP>> it?)
JB> (Pssst! Hey Kimes! Who gives a shit?)
Why, you do, of course. That's why we're into our, what, fourth message
in the
thread? now, bait-boy. (And you still haven't scraped together the guts
to
admit you were wrong. :-)
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|From: Terry Liberty-Parker
|To: All
|Sub: Clint Eastwood on Waco
|Date: 20 Feb 97 22:54:40
EID:d138 2254b6c0
MSGID: 1:382/804.0 30d2931a
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: inetmail) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd.
Originally from announce@lp.org (1:382/87.0) to terry liberty-parker.
Original dated: Feb 20 '97, 22:43
From: announce@lp.org
-----------------------------------------
NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
-----------------------------------------
For release: February 18, 1997
-----------------------------------------
For additional information:
George Getz, Deputy Director of Communications
Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
E-Mail: 76214.3676@CompuServe.com
-----------------------------------------
Clint Eastwood announces: I'm a "libertarian"
WASHINGTON, DC -- Watch out liberals and conservatives -- Dirty
Harry is a libertarian.
That's what movie star Clint Eastwood announced this month in
Playboy magazine.
In an interview in the March issue, the Oscar-winning actor and
director candidly affiliated himself with the growing libertarian
movement when he was asked: "How would you characterize yourself
politically?"
The laconic Eastwood answered, "Libertarian" -- and then went
on to explain the philosophy in simple terms: "Everyone leaves everyone
else alone."
He also took a swipe at the Republicans and Democrats, noting
that neither of those political parties "seems to have the ability to
embrace that sort of thing."
"Talk about making my day," said the Libertarian Party's
National Director, Perry Willis. "Having Clint Eastwood declare himself
a libertarian is better than a fistful of dollars. We hope his
announcement will have a sudden impact on the public's awareness of the
libertarian philosophy -- and the Libertarian Party, too."
However, voters shouldn't expect to see "Dirty Harry For
President" bumperstickers appearing soon; Eastwood flatly rejected a
career in politics. "Being a politician is about the last thing I'd
want to do," he said. "It's a lot of work and a lot of frustration."
But if the star of the new movie "Absolute Power" ever changes
his mind, Willis says he'd love to sit down and talk to him.
"If Mr. Eastwood ever decides to join the Libertarian Party or
seek public office on our ticket, we'd be happy to discuss with him how
that could advance the cause of liberty in America," he said. "Until
that time, however, we're delighted that he's on our side
philosophically."
The 66-year-old Eastwood has been an increasingly outspoken
critic of government abuse in recent months -- echoing the Libertarian
Party's criticisms of the federal government's role in the bloodbath at
Waco, Texas, and the shooting of Randy Weaver's family at Ruby Ridge,
Idaho.
In an essay he wrote for the January 12, 1997 issue of Parade
Magazine, Eastwood noted: "Abuse of power isn't limited to bad guys in
other nations. It happens in our own country if we're not vigilant."
For example, he wrote: "At Waco, was there really an urgency to
get those people out of the compound at that particular time? Was the
press going to make it look heroic for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms? At Ruby Ridge, there was one guy in a cabin at the top of
the mountain. Was it necessary for federal agents to go up there and
shoot a 14-year-old in the back and shoot a woman with a child in her
arms? What kind of mentality does that?"
And Eastwood displayed a keen cynicism about the lure of
political power. "Those in power get jaded, deluded, and seduced by
power itself," he wrote. "The hunger for absolute power and, more to
the point, the abuse of power, are part of human nature."
Eastwood joins a growing number of individuals in the
entertainment industry who have identified themselves as libertarians.
Included on that list are TV star John Laroquette, humorist Dave Barry,
author P.J. O'Rourke, movie actor Russell Means, magician Jillette
Penn, author Camille Paglia, TV reporter John Stossell, and comedian
Dennis Miller.
Since 1954, Eastwood has appeared in dozens of movies and
become one of the leading box office draws in the world. His films
include "A Fistful of Dollars" (1964), "Dirty Harry" (1971), "Any Which
Way You Can" (1980), "In the Line of Fire" (1993), and "The Bridges of
Madison County" (1995). His 1992 Western "Unforgiven" earned him Oscars
for Best Picture and Best Director. His one foray into politics was as
mayor of Carmel, California, from 1986-1988.
--
The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/
2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008
Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072
For subscription changes, please mail to with
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Robert Curry
|Sub: BLOCKHEAD RITUALS
|Date: 19 Feb 97 16:18:00
EID:4640 22538240
-=> Quoting Robert Curry to Roger Hunter <=-
RC> Why are you wasting your time with Brawley when it comes to anything
RC> that touches upon his pet dogmas? I know that it's your time to waste,
RC> of course, but I'm just curious to know what if anything it does for
RC> you to beat your head against the brick wall of his ignorant egotism.
It's because I assume that there is an intelligent human being on
the other end of the modem who is suffering from a misconception
which can be cleared up by a sufficiently clear explanation. It
doesn't seem to work with John. This raises two possibilities;
1) My explanations are not clear
2) John is impossible to convince
I have assumed 1) so far, but I'm starting to lean toward 2).
... I've got a mind like a... a... what's that thing called?
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: PEDOPHILE CHRISTIAN C
|Date: 20 Feb 97 19:29:55
EID:c494 22549ba0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 fa7dd34d
Marilyn Burge's ears were assailed thus by the lush, sensuous lips of
Becke Boyer:
BB> A few more peculiar things I noticed--we didn't have to say the
BB> regular pledge of allegiance, but we had to say the Christian pledge
BB> of allegiance (don't know if you've ever heard it, but instead of with
BB> "and liberty and justice for all", it ends "with liberty and justice
BB> to those who believe".) Science wasn't stressed, what we did learn was
BB> from a Creationist perspective, and 3/4 of the schooling itself was
BB> Bible-related (they found ways to sneak the stuff into EVERY subject..)
BB> When I have kids, I'm going to send them to private school. But I'll
BB> be goat-damned if they get anywhere NEAR a Christian/parochial school
BB> of ANY kind..
If I had kids (that I know of) I would probably strangle anyone who
suggested that I send them to a parochial gulag. However, public
schools aren't safe from intolerant, sadistic assholes either.
I spent 1st & 2nd grades at St. Mark's Lutheran Elementary in Waco,
TX, and there was this one sick-ass old hormone-crazy battle axe
who loved to flog and humiliate little boys. I'm sure she had the
same disease that afflicts Lon Mabon and his buttfuck buddy, Scott
Lively. I dreamed about going after her with a machete. A dull, rusty
one. One whack for every time that ugly bitch pulled out her paddle
because I wouldn't sing because I had a terrible singing voice.
Yeah, a _real_ rusty machete dipped in Tabasco sauce, that would do
the trick.
But a few years later, in the fifth grade, I ran into two more
assholes. These two were my fifth-grade math teacher and another old
pedophilic dominatrix of a first-grade teacher. My teacher had
evidently come up with a novel punishment involving some collusion
with the first-grade teacher; I was sent to the first-grade class
for math period, where I was publicly ridiculed by the other ugly
bitch in front of _her_ first-grade class. This was in a public
school!
I've already got the piano wire and stakes, but does anyone know
where I can get some fire-ants and some nice big Norway rats?
edweird
... cretin. -> cretinism. -> cretionism. -> creationism.
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Intllectual Bankruptcy
|Date: 20 Feb 97 20:01:19
EID:6f4e 2254a020
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 8d4e9966
REPLY: 1:229/622.0 330bc90f
David Ragland's ears were assailed thus by the lush, sensuous lips of Jan
deBoer:
DR> The entire premise of atheism as a belief system is conceptually
DR> bankrupt.
Jd> Only an imbecile would consider absence of belief "a belief system".
Jd> Is absence of illness a form of illness, idiot?
Jd> Is bald a hair colour?
Is sobriety a form of drunkenness, then?
Cool!
I'm gonna sober 'til I puke!
edweird
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All/David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 19 Feb 97 14:42:00
EID:b9cd 22537540
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330b5788
* Carbons Sent to: Dan Ceppa
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Dan Ceppa about ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW:
dr> As the twentieth century dawned, the only conclusions
dr> consistent with all observations of the velocity of
dr> light were these two:
dr> 1. No absolute reference system exists from which
dr> absolute motions can be measured.
dr> 2. The speed of light with respect to all observers
dr> is always the same.
dr> In 1905 Albert Einstein, a German engineer who studied
dr> physics in his spare time, formally presented these
dr> conclusions in his paper on the theory of special
dr> relativity. Further, he derived a dilation, or
dr> stretching factor that revealed by exactly how much two
dr> observers moving with respect to one another would
dr> disagree on their measurements of length, velocity, mass
dr> and time. Applying this dilation factor to the
dr> classical expressions for momentum and to Newton's law
dr> of force, any high-school student can easily derive the
dr> famous equation governing the conversion of matter into
dr> energy: E=mc2
Hmmm . . . I've obviously caught Dav in an inaccuracy here,
and perhaps an outright lie. According to him, the two
postulates on which Einstein based his theory of special
relativity were:
dr> 1. No absolute reference system exists from which
dr> absolute motions can be measured.
dr> 2. The speed of light with respect to all observers
dr> is always the same.
However, according to College Physics by Franklin Miller,
Jr., 5th Edition, published by Harcourt, Brace, and
Jovanovich, ISBN 0-15-511737-8, page 666 [No Lie!
Serendipity is an odd thing at times, isn't it? ], the
two postulates on which Einstein based his theory of special
relativity were:
1. The forms of the laws of physics are the same in all
inertial frames of reference.
2. Measurements of the speed of light always give the same
numerical value, regardless of the relative velocity of
the observer and the source.
Let's look at this closer.
First postulate for theory of special relativity:
------------------------------------------------------------
Dav Ragland's: Albert Einstein's:
------------------------------------------------------------
No absolute reference The forms of the laws of
system exists from which physics are the same in all
absolute motions can be inertial frames of reference.
measured.
------------------------------------------------------------
Second postulate for theory of special relativity:
------------------------------------------------------------
Dav Ragland's: Albert Einstein's:
------------------------------------------------------------
The speed of light with Measurements of the speed of
respect to all observers light always give the same
is always the same. numerical value, regardless
of the relative velocity of
the observer and the source.
------------------------------------------------------------
Now, I don't claim to know everything about particle
physics, etc., but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see
that, at the very least, what Dav is reputing to be
Einstein's postulates are in actuality either
oversimplifications of Einstein's postulates, misquotes of
Einstein's postulates, or direct fabrication. There is
quite a difference (especially in the first postulate)
between what Dav is asserting, and what Einstein actually
said.
Is it a lie, or is it memory? Since I'm absolutely positive
that Dav lifted his quote from another source, like an ICR
manual, etc., perhaps we shouldn't blame Dav too much, other
than for not doing all his homework and being dumb enough to
just blindly believe what someone has told him. Feedback?
... David Ragland: intelligence isn't a requirement to get in Heaven.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 19 Feb 97 14:43:02
EID:cf1b 22537560
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330b57c6
* Original msg to: ALL/David Ragland
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Dan Ceppa about ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW:
dr> As the twentieth century dawned, the only conclusions
dr> consistent with all observations of the velocity of
dr> light were these two:
dr> 1. No absolute reference system exists from which
dr> absolute motions can be measured.
dr> 2. The speed of light with respect to all observers
dr> is always the same.
dr> In 1905 Albert Einstein, a German engineer who studied
dr> physics in his spare time, formally presented these
dr> conclusions in his paper on the theory of special
dr> relativity. Further, he derived a dilation, or
dr> stretching factor that revealed by exactly how much two
dr> observers moving with respect to one another would
dr> disagree on their measurements of length, velocity, mass
dr> and time. Applying this dilation factor to the
dr> classical expressions for momentum and to Newton's law
dr> of force, any high-school student can easily derive the
dr> famous equation governing the conversion of matter into
dr> energy: E=mc2
Hmmm . . . I've obviously caught Dav in an inaccuracy here,
and perhaps an outright lie. According to him, the two
postulates on which Einstein based his theory of special
relativity were:
dr> 1. No absolute reference system exists from which
dr> absolute motions can be measured.
dr> 2. The speed of light with respect to all observers
dr> is always the same.
However, according to College Physics by Franklin Miller,
Jr., 5th Edition, published by Harcourt, Brace, and
Jovanovich, ISBN 0-15-511737-8, page 666 [No Lie!
Serendipity is an odd thing at times, isn't it? ], the
two postulates on which Einstein based his theory of special
relativity were:
1. The forms of the laws of physics are the same in all
inertial frames of reference.
2. Measurements of the speed of light always give the same
numerical value, regardless of the relative velocity of
the observer and the source.
Let's look at this closer.
First postulate for theory of special relativity:
------------------------------------------------------------
Dav Ragland's: Albert Einstein's:
------------------------------------------------------------
No absolute reference The forms of the laws of
system exists from which physics are the same in all
absolute motions can be inertial frames of reference.
measured.
------------------------------------------------------------
Second postulate for theory of special relativity:
------------------------------------------------------------
Dav Ragland's: Albert Einstein's:
------------------------------------------------------------
The speed of light with Measurements of the speed of
respect to all observers light always give the same
is always the same. numerical value, regardless
of the relative velocity of
the observer and the source.
------------------------------------------------------------
Now, I don't claim to know everything about particle
physics, etc., but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see
that, at the very least, what Dav is reputing to be
Einstein's postulates are in actuality either
oversimplifications of Einstein's postulates, misquotes of
Einstein's postulates, or direct fabrication. There is
quite a difference (especially in the first postulate)
between what Dav is asserting, and what Einstein actually
said.
Is it a lie, or is it memory? Since I'm absolutely positive
that Dav lifted his quote from another source, like an ICR
manual, etc., perhaps we shouldn't blame Dav too much, other
than for not doing all his homework and being dumb enough to
just blindly believe what someone has told him. Feedback?
... David Ragland: intelligence isn't a requirement to get in Heaven.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: 'And you're still a fuck
|Date: 19 Feb 97 14:47:04
EID:9de4 225375e0
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 33090c84
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330b58b8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Worrell said to Richard Smith about 'And you're still a fuck:
DW> Seen and TANKS lately?
tp> You're welcome, always; of course!
DW> And you're still a fucking loon, of course.
tl> Same to you.. Sticks like glue... na na na na boo boo....
tl> Up your's; without your drawers. Now we REALLY see you!
RS> I'm not exactly sure, but I think this (on his part)
RS> sophisticated wooing behavior indicates that Terry wants to
RS> have carnal knowledge of you, David.
DW> I've been told that people in Hell want ice water. Guess
DW> who'll get their desires fulfilled the soonest?
LOFL . . .
RS> ... Same to you..Sticks like glue...na na na boo boo....-T.
RS> Liberty-Parker
It's an absolutely wonderful tagline. If this is the worst
that we have to expect from militia members, I think we've
finally put that kind of violence behind us . . .
... Up your's; without your drawers. -- Terry Liberty-Parker
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: native americans
|Date: 19 Feb 97 14:50:06
EID:c4ca 22537640
REPLY: 1:221/1503 3307BD98
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330b596e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ronald Vass said to Richard Smith about native americans:
RV> and pay those folks down south to toss your spears .
RV> What can we say, W.V.'s don't know which end to hold.
RV>
DW> Pht! I scoff at spears. I scoff in your general
DW> direction! Scoff! Scoff! Scoff! :-)
RS> Developing a cold, Damien?
RV> And a bad one at that. Perhaps 'Damien', one of those
RV> brighter W.V. that we hear about from time to time. At
RV> least hir appears to be bright enought to catch
RV> something.
It reminded me of Holy Grail . . .
"Your mother was a hampster, and your father reeked of
elderberries. Now go away, or I will taunt you a second
time."
... It's like those miserable Psalms; they're so depressing. -- God
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Psychogawd
|Date: 19 Feb 97 14:54:08
EID:7212 225376c0
REPLY: 1:229/622 3308ef91
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330b5a60
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dave Hamilton said to Richard Smith about PSYCHOGAWD:
RS> RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
RS> Darryl Gonzalez said to Dave Hamilton about Re: PSYCHOGAWD:
DH> Glad you picked this up - I didn't get it. Dirty old
DH> Fido, maybe it will show up.
Occassionally, I DO serve the public good.
dg> Oh, wonderful. Now, according to you, I'm not only a
dg> liar, but also a sociopath. I think rather it is YOU
dg> who is attempting to lie and deceive openly.
DH> LOL! If they're not amazing us with their solutions to
DH> finding more satisfying lives, they flaunt their
DH> inability to read. He didn't even need to understand
DH> the content to perceive that it had nothing to do with
DH> him.
Of course not. That kind of skill is not needed for him to
read and interpret his sacred text in ways guaranteed to
horrify others . . .
DH> What kind of idiot could have taken that personally?
I bet I can name an even dozen, all around here over the
space of the last year . . .
DH> I wouldn't have thought him sociopathic, but I'll bet
DH> he's exemplified in the DSM in one or more categories.
I think he probably wets the bed, at least.
... According to Darryl, folks will glorify JC by choice or by force later
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 19 Feb 97 22:51:10
EID:44e4 2253b660
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330bca2e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to Ken Young about Most Read Book:
FR> history books for you which might help you escape that
FR> willful ignorance?
ky> Are you sure it is me that is ignorant? I am a
ky> hisotry of buff of sorts, especially when it comes to
ky> the founding of America..
DC> Your slip is showing.
DC> Just who were the Buffs and just what did they have
DC> to do with the founding of America?
More important, what's hisotry? I've tried looking it up
and the only thing that comes close is Hyssop Tree, and I
KNOW that can't be right . . .
How about if Ken just admits he's butt-stupid and we leave
it at that?
... Bubble, bubble, toil & trouble...now where did I put that hyssop?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Wonder Woman Comics win
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:01:12
EID:ae5c 2253b820
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330bcc88
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to David Ragland about Wonder Woman Comics win:
MK> that you were going really fast because Godzilla was
MK> chasing you.
dr> Not hardly.
Come on. You can be more insulting that that, can't you?
dr> Come on. You can be more insulting than that can't you.
Damn fucking echo.
dr> Hint: Talk to Don Creppa. He'll show ya how to cuss like
dr> a real man.
Something David's apparently always wanted to emulate.
DC> Unlike you who has the vocabulary of a 2nd grader when
DC> it comes to insults. Then again, that is far above your
DC> level of metal acuity. As it stands, your insults are
DC> like a little child that shits his pants.
What do you expect from someone too sissy to swear? Ever
notice how he likes to act and talk tough, especially about
his job at the prison? (Warden's personal peg-boy? "G'on
there Dav, make that traffic cone dissappear again!")
He reminds me of Staalin when he's strapping on the MISTER
and Milk Crate artillery . . .
DC> Just how many more years is it before you get potty
DC> trained?
Depends.
... Jimson Staalin respects Catholics who let pregnant women die on table.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: TIME Atheist Article
|Date: 19 Feb 97 23:35:14
EID:e01d 2253bc60
REPLY: 1:3800/49 000b0b4c
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330bd482
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Terry Liberty-parker about TIME Atheist
Article:
dr> ATHEIST SPEAKS OUT AGAINST HIS FORMER MASTERS
dr> Hello Zerotheists,
[dementia deletia]
Gads, he's finally Moothed-Out, and another Bernier is born!
I don't know how anyone else feels about this, but I at
least have admire Bernier and Mooth on one issue: they write
(for the most part) their own stuff.
Dav here just lifted this from SKEPTIC. Without citing his
source, either. All he did was add the wheezes at the start
. . .
I do think it funny that he's going to take on TLP, though.
... David Ragland: intelligence isn't a requirement to get in Heaven.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Cracker Barrel Boycot
|Date: 20 Feb 97 00:04:16
EID:d510 22540080
REPLY: 1:170/551.0 15ff5f63
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330bdb50
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to Ken Young about CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT:
RH> So burn homosexuality in Hell, not homosexuals.
ky> Just because gays will go to Hell, does not mean they
ky> aren't loved.
KS> Eat shit, asshole.
Damn, that oughtta be on a Hallmark card . . .
... Cut my grass?? What?? Oh, you said MOW job. -- K. Schneider
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Re: Evidences for God
|Date: 20 Feb 97 10:12:18
EID:1ced 22545180
REPLY: 1:383/3396 32FBFB3B
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330c69d2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Darryl Gonzalez said to David Worrell about Re: Evidences for God:
You know, Darryl, your formatting still sucks bilgewater.
Can't you understand or fix your OLR at all? Your posts are
almost too messy to figure out.
dg> Here is just a little of the evidence that I have to
dg> offer. Let us consider the following statement:
dg> If God does not exist, and does not show His handiwork
dg> through the universe, then it logically follows that
dg> those who are scientists without a religious
dg> disposition would not observe or hypothesize His
dg> presence in the universe.
DW> You've got a faulty understanding of both logic and
DW> science, among other things. Scientists are human, and
DW> suffer from the same failings all the rest of us do.
dg> Your premise here is laughable at best. Yes, I know
dg> that scientists are huma n, and are therefore capable of
dg> human mistakes. But you miss the point. Read on:
dg> hear the following clip from the Washington Post: "Many
dg> scientists
dg> My point here was that the very same human beings, from
dg> the very same scientific disciplines that you
dg> atheists/agnostics say points to the nonexistence of
dg> God,
Firstly, which God are your referencing? Khrishna?
Secondly, no one said that any scientific disciplines point
to the nonexistence of any Deity. What HAS been said is
that the existence of any Deity has never been
scientifically established, almost entirely because of a
lack of evidence, hence one can safely assume that no Deity
exists.
Do I need to get Barney to sing that to you before you can
understand the difference?
dg> are now beginning to change their minds on the
dg> basis of their understanding of the universe.
So, David didn't miss the point, and his premise is not
laughable: those human scientists that you cite, being
human, could be prey to delusions, etc. They could be
wrong. They could be mistaken. They could be lying. YOU
could be lying, since you only make the claim and give no
evidence for their existence. Names, dates, places of
quotes, etc., would help solve this for you, but you'll
never provide it: you don't have it. And that is only
because you are a consumate liar.
dg> Astrophysicist Paul Davies, in his 1984 book
dg> SUPERFORCE, stated, "The
dg> Also, let's read what the famous Russian physicist
dg> Alexander Polyakov said, in the October 1986 issue of
dg> Fortune Magazine. "We know that
dg> Take also the statement from University of Virginia
dg> astronomer J. S. Trefil. "If I were a religious man, I
dg> would say that everything we
dg> Dr. Walter Bradley, Ph.D., Professor of Mechanical
dg> Engineering and
DW> Ah! You've changed logical fallacies on us. You started
DW> off here with the Argument from Popularity. When that
DW> didn't work, you moved on to the next logical fallacy,
DW> the Argument from Authority. Here's a hint, junior -
DW> that's not going to work either. We asked you for
DW> evidence of God, not evidence of your fallacious
DW> thinking and poor education.
dg> Whoa! Now YOU'RE the one with the fallacious thinking.
dg> Now YOU'RE the one with the argument-changing. You
dg> can't win an argument based on facts, so you change it
dg> into an argument consisting of personal slurs and
dg> attacks. I won't play that game.
One of the most obvious steps in the Fundy Shuffle is to
take what your opponent is saying and turn it around and say
it back at them. Congrats, Darryl, you've learned how to
dance. Imaginary attacks against you is also another step.
(Hint: where did that bad ol' David attack poor little you?
Answer: nowhere. You're just a coward.) Then you will
appear to have an excuse to run your craven ass away, or so
you think. In actuality, everyone can see that you're
running away from the argument because you're cowardly.
What a lovely Xtian soldier you are . . . gutless, lying,
and unable to face the foe. Run away, lil' fundy.
David's comments here were dead on correct. Want to deal
with them, or should I just give you a white feather and
send you away?
DW> Just because people better educated than you believe in
DW> God doesn't mean that God exists. After all, people
DW> better educated than you believe in Allah, too. Does
DW> that, according to Darryl-logic, mean that he exists,
DW> too?
dg> No, it does not mean that Allah exists. But as to the
dg> question of whether or not this means God
Math ap Mathonwy?
dg> exists: No, in and of itself, it does not mean that Gopd
WHO?
dg> exists. What it DOES mean is that there in fact may be
dg> scientific evidence that God exists.
Just as there may be scientific evidence for the existence
of Thor, the Morrighu, Jack Frost, Mighty Mouse, and Gandalf
the White. Got any? If not, then you can't claim it
exists, even though it may.
dg> At the very least, it lends
dg> intellectual credibility for the existence of God.
Which God would that be?
Only if it lends intellectual credibility for the existence
of Thor, the Morrighu, Jack Frost, Mighty Mouse, and Gandalf
the White. See how stupid you sound now?
The fact that something MAY exist in NO way lends
intellectual credibility for it's actual existence. Get a
clue, Darryl.
And, btw, none of what you've presented here is evidence for
the existence of your Deity. It is hearsay and opinion
ONLY.
dg> So. There you have it. This is just a small sampling
dg> of some of the evidence that I have for the existence
dg> of God.
DW> You've still presented no evidence. You've just changed
DW> to a new type of fallacy. In addition to that, you're
DW> now guilty of plagiarism. Much of the above text,
DW> especially the second paragraph, did not match your
DW> style of writing at all. Who did you crib this from?
dg> Whoa, again! Major contradiction here, and also a major
dg> accusation. Let me address this briefly.
dg> That message was NOT plagiarized in any way.
You are a bald-faced liar. Is your Deity proud of you for
lying for it?
dg> It's entirely mine, with the exception of the few quotes
This is the lie. The quotes are other people's words, but
so is the bulk of the text you quoted, er, plagiarized, er,
posted . . .
dg> which I made reference to in the text, and those are
dg> PUBLIC DOMAIN.
You are fudging the term Public Domain. Brief quotes, if
assigned and cited properly, are allowed in published works,
but that doesn't make the words of them public domain.
Extensive use of an author's words without citation or
proper attribution will land your ass in jail, or get you
sued.
dg> If you want to check that, go ahead---they're available
dg> on the Internet at the World Wide Web address I gave in
dg> the message.
Why don't you give it to us again, just to make sure.
dg> P.S.: All of a sudden, you're an expert on my writing
dg> style, after just a few messages.
Nobody claimed to be an expert on anything about you.
However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to note that IF
those words were yours, you changed your sentence structure,
your grammarian usages, your spelling errors, the style of
the presentation of thoughts in your messages, your
vocabulary, quoting margins, etc. In essence, we KNOW that
those words were not yours . . . no matter how hard you try,
you can't change all of those attributes for one message.
Nobody can. Habitual usages and errors are just that: habit.
dg> I'll have you know I
dg> am capable of writing in many different styles.
So far, you've shown only two: one that is yours, and one
that is not yours.
Now, what was that contradiction you claimed in your
Strawman, above? And where, btw, is the evidence that you
claim that you're going to present?
... According to Darryl, folks will glorify JC by choice or by force later
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [2/2] He Come de Judge
|Date: 20 Feb 97 13:46:20
EID:b983 22546dc0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 330c9bfc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Marilyn Burge about [2/2] He Come de Judge:
LB> And sorry I'm not going to get an answer from him on it.
MB> Oh! Did I miss another one of Al's good-bye messages
MB> in eight parts?
LB> No, he buried it on the Internet this time.
LB> Or more accurately, buried HIMSELF on the Internet this
LB> time...
Oh no, I missed it! Wait a second. I forgot. He'll be
back in two weeks.
... Yes, to some people, I AM patronizing. I have REASON to be.A.Schroeder
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: kabaloney
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:03:04
EID:9eed 22510060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33072fb8
* On 07-02-97 at 21:52, JAN DEBOER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "kabaloney" in echo Holysmoke:
JD> RS> whole island went kaboom. :) You can read about it in most
JD> RS> general references. Eruptions in the area have caused Anau
JD> RS> Krakatoa to form -- a new island.
JD> RS> Rod "...kerboom for Jesus!" Swift :)
JD> Aren't all eruptions preceded by Laurie Appleton strolling around the
JD> mountain with a dead President?
Only if he ejaculated...
Rod "...but of course" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Accept Jesus as my Saviour? Why, that'd be selfish!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:05:06
EID:c877 225100a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073032
* On 07-02-97 at 01:47, SUE ALEXANDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> RS> Restating the question, do you think that the Oklahoma bombing
SA> RS> was "an act used to cause terror by a US resident towards a
SA> RS> US-based target, the resident acting due to their religious
SA> RS> convictions?"
SA> Actually, he thinks it was caused by Janet Reno, the Attorney
SA> General of the US. Because of the TANKS at Waco....
Yep.... General Janet "FEMINAZI BITCH" Reno got in her TANKS and
drove them up from Wayyyyco to Ooohhhklarhomo and blew the little
kids to smithereens!!!!
Kids died at Wacko! Kids died in the day care centre at the
Murrah Building!!!!!
That's it!!!!!! JANET RENO IS AN ABORTIONIST!!! :) :) Where's
Paul Hill and John Salvi's spook when you need them? :)
Rod "...it's a sign!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:06:08
EID:c877 225100c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073070
* On 07-02-97 at 02:07, SUE ALEXANDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> RS> Yes, of course, I should refer to my Holysmoke Central Committee
SA> RS> Operations Manual for the correct usage of such posts in the
SA> RS> future. (All hail Styx! All hail Atheism!) :) :) :)
SA> Just pay attention to the suggested storage requirements, as the
SA> stuff can be toxic.
Not as toxic as the semen of said fundies! :)
SA> SA> That is, unless you are looking to shoot Bambi with an
SA> SA> AK-47....
SA> RS> That would be preferable. Have you seen the new movie that they
SA> RS> are planning? Bambo: First Blood, Part II -- Bambi gets an Uzi,
SA> RS> and Thumper gets a rocket launcher :)
SA> I don't know...those sound too intellectual. I kind of like Bambi
SA> meets Godzilla, especially with Jimbo playing the lead character.
Playing what?
Bambi? Godzilla? Or Barney the dinosaur? :)
Rod "...enough said!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: wisdom
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:06:10
EID:1cab 225100c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073072
* On 07-02-97 at 02:19, SUE ALEXANDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "wisdom" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> RS> So you are saying the word of God is erred? The word of God in
SA> RS> your bible clearly says:
SA> RS> LEV 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with another
SA> RS> man, they have both done a disgusting thing,
SA> RS> and both shall be put to death. THEY ARE
SA> RS> RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DEATH.
SA> Melissa Etheridge is OK, then. Cool.
No. She's a foooornicator too :) :)
Rod "... there's more to Leviticus than meets the speck in the
eye" :) Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * I wanted to be born again but my mother said: "No!"
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: .
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:07:12
EID:dd4f 225100e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 330730b0
* On 07-02-97 at 10:02, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "." in echo Holysmoke:
RS> ROD> Don't you mean:
RS> ROD> "...last I tasted"?
RS> Aparently, Al hasn't heard that liquid detergent can act as
RS> a super-laxative, as can other (non-chocolate-flavored)
RS> agents.
SQUIRTS FOR JEEEZUS!
Rod "...enough said" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If this is reality I want a refund!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fat People
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:10:14
EID:32c4 22510140
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073166
* On 07-02-97 at 14:32, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Fat People" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> KW> A "Steingrobe'", also known as a "Steiny", is a hapless, bumbling,
but
KW> KW> explosive xtain type fundy. He's known best for taking sudden right
KW> KW> turns in religious hysteria, and getting himself backed into impossibly
KW> KW> prickly corners. At the moment he can't quite make up his mind
wither
KW> KW> he wants to play footsies with Rod Swift, or beg
KW> KW> Lynda to tie him up and
KW> KW> paddle his naughty little rump until it's pink and glowing.
KW> RS>Oh, I think it is both, Katherine :) :) I've had run-ins with
KW> RS>him on Usenet Newsfroups. He's so fun! Especially when he turns
KW> RS>into 100% crackpot mode :)
KW> He's been doing that a lot lately . Then when the resulting heat
KW> starts getting to him, he makes a silly and obvious attempt to change
KW> the topic--and he still can't answer a question to save his life.
Yep yep yep yep *nodnod* I agree! :) I loved the way I had him
on the run about his "oh so powerful God" and then he was turning
around and telling me I should have done something to help
Gwenny! What a hoot!
KW> RS>KW> DC>My guess is that he's a ping-pong ball attempting to play
on
KW> RS>KW> DC>a tennis court.
KW> RS>KW> Well, for some reason he finds my web page
KW> RS>KW> 'frightening'. Yes, he's
KW> RS>KW> a lightweight.
KW> RS>Oh, I think he makes people think that. Then he plays heavy
KW> RS>until he realises he's made himself look like a fool. Then he
KW> RS>takes a powder.
KW> Last night he was getting horridly offended at a link on my page, one
to
KW> a site that lists christian atrocities. he thought it was terribly
KW> unfair that such lists exist--after all, all those xtians weren't real
KW> true xtians.
He should pop by and see some of MY links :)
There's some riotously funny links among them :) :)
Did you show him http://www.christiangallery.com/ by any chance?
Rod "...stuff that would make him puke" Swift :)
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 1/
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:19:16
EID:5ed0 22510260
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073384
* On 07-02-97 at 00:42, KEN YOUNG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Exemplifying examples" in echo Holysmoke:
KY> PA> I have no problem with MINORITIEs. WHy be against someone
KY> PA> for the color of their skin or anything else visible that
KY> PA> they cannot change?
KY> RS> A good question. Why are you against gay people?
KY> I'm not, I am against homosexuality.
Good. Then don't buttfuck, stupid Christian.
Sheesh. What is it with you intellectual small-minds? If you
are against abortion, don't have one. If you're against
homosexuality, don't buttfuck. If you are against
then don't join that religion.
KY> ANd the difference is a black person cannot decide the
KY> color of their skin, while gays do choose their sexual
KY> orientation.
And I suppose you have the supporting evidence to this claim of a
100% choice *EVERY* time?
Ah, I thought not, considering science disagrees strongly with
you :)
KY> RS> Meanwhile, people of religion choose their religion. Christians
KY> RS> can choose not to be Christian. Are you saying they deserve no
KY> RS> equality in civil rights protections because religion is a choice?
KY> No, I am not saying that, but first you must show me an
KY> example of gays being discriminated against.
Ah, that's easy. A man cannot do what a woman can -- marry a
man. This is sex discrimination, primarily targetted at gay and
lesbian individuals.
Remember Colorado Amendment 2?
KY> And anyway, the Constitution gives people the right of
KY> freedom of religion.
Why should it, though?
KY> Nowhere does it say anything about the
KY> freedom of sexual orientation.
Why should it not, though? Sexual orientation is an innate and
immutable characteristic.
KY> RS> Are you going to amend the constitution to remove the protection
KY> RS> against religious discrimination and freedom of religion?
KY> Certainly not, but it must be remembered that it is freedom
KY> OF religion, not freedom FROM religion..
Yes, you are quite right. The separation of church and state
clause gives us freedom FROM religion in secular life :)
KY> RS> [This pamphlet is available from APA, 750 First St NE, Washington
KY> RS> DC 20002-4242, phone 202-336-5700]
KY> RS> Q: Is sexual orientation a choice?
KY> RS> A: No. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early
KY> RS> adolescence without any prior sexual experience. And some
KY> RS> people report trying very hard over many years to change
KY> RS> their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with
KY> RS> no success. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider
KY> RS> sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be
KY> RS> voluntarily changed.
KY> You do not need experience in something to think a certain way..
A pointless statement made by you, obviously misinterpreting the
fact that it was a description of the innate state of sexual
orientation.
KY> And if it is not a choice, why have some switched to being
KY> heterosexuals, later on?
The latter part of the same pamphlet states why. You should read
it. Things about pressure from religious and societal bigots,
social and familial pressure, and other stuff that just screws up
their mind, rather than allows them to accept their INNATE sexual
orientation.
KY> It says, psychologists do not CONSIDER. It says nothing about actual
proof.
The consideration is no longer made because there is no evidence
to support the theory, and much to deny it. Didn't you read the
bit before it? There are many citations in the pamphlet.
I think I'll have to attach the whole thing at the end of this
post, just for you, you drooling moron.
KY> You have yet to provide evidence. WHy is it a choice?
Um, you're the one providing all the scientific evidence that
it's a choice, 100% of the time.
I'm simply dying to find out. I never chose, you see :)
Or are you going to offer the exact date and time when you CHOSE
to no longer feel equally gay, straight or whatever, to being
whatever-percent straight that you are??
Rod "...I bet that gets you upset, doesn't it?" Swift :)
===========================================================================
From: "Psychology and You: Answers to Your Questions About
Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"
By: The American Psychological Association
[This pamphlet is available from APA, 750 First St NE, Washington
DC 20002-4242, phone 202-336-5700]
Q: What is sexual orientation?
A: Sexual orientation is one of the four components of sexuality
and is distinguished by an enduring emotional, romantic,
sexual or affectional attraction to individuals of a particular
gender. The three other components of sexuality are
biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of
being male or female) and social sex role (adherence to
cultural norms for feminine and masculine beaviour). Three
sexual orientations are commonly recognised: _homosexual_,
attraction to individuals of one's own gender; _heterosexual_,
attraction to individuals of the other gender; or _bisexual_,
attractions to members of either gender. Persons with a
homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as _gay_
(both men and women) or _lesbian_ (women only).
Sexual orientation is different from sexual behaviour because
it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may
not express their sexual orientation in their behaviours.
>>> Continued to next message
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 2/
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:19:18
EID:aed0 22510260
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073386
>>> Continued from previous message
Sidebar:
Homosexual orientation is not limited to a particular type of
person. Gay men and lesbians are of all ages, cultural
backgrounds, races, religions and nationalities. They work
in all occupations and live in all parts of the country.
Q: What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?
A: How a particular sexual orientation develops in any individual
is not well understood by scientists. Various theories have
proposed differing sources for sexual orientation, including
genetic or inborn hormonal factors and life experiences during
early childhood. However, many scientists share the view that
sexual orientation is shaped for most people at an early age
through complex interactions of biological, psychological and
social factors.
Q: Is sexual orientation a choice?
A: No. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early
adolescence without any prior sexual experience. And some
people report trying very hard over many years to change
their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with
no success. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider
sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be
voluntarily changed.
Q: Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional problem?
A: No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health
professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness,
mental disorder or emotional problem. Much objective
scientific research over the past 35 years shows us that
homosexual orientation, in and of itself, is not associated
with emotional or social problems.
Homosexuality was thought to be a mental illness in the past
because mental health professionals and society had biased
information about homosexuality since most studies only
involved lesbians and gay men in therapy. When researchers
examined data about gay people who were not in therapy, the
idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was found to be
untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the
importance of the new research by removing the term
"homosexuality" from the official manual that lists all
mental and emotional disorders. In 1975 the American
Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting
this action. Both associations urge all mental health
professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness
that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.
Since the original declassification of homosexuality as a
mental disorder, this decision has subsequently been
reaffirmed by additional research findings and both
associations.
Q: Can lesbians and gay men be good parents?
A: Yes. Studies comparing groups of children raised by
homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental
differences between the two groups of children in their
intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment,
popularity with friends, developmment of social sex role
identity or development of sexual orientation.
Another stereotype about homosexuality is the mistaken
belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual
men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence
indicating that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals
to molest children.
Sidebar:
The APA encourages all mental health professionals to work to
help persons of all sexual orientations to accept and
integrate their inner feelings and to overcome their
prejudices and false beliefs about one another.
Q: Why do some gay men and lesbians tell people about their
sexual orientation?
A: Because sharing that aspect of themselves with others is
important to their mental health. In fact, the process of
identity development for lesbians and gay men, usually called
"coming out", has been found to be strongly related to
psychological adjustment -- the more positive the gay male or
lesbian identity, the better one's mental health and the
higher one's self esteem.
Q: Why is the "coming out" process difficult for some gays and
lesbians?
A: Because of false stereotypes and unwarranted prejudice towards
them, the process of "coming out" for lesbians and gay men can
be a very challenging process which may cause emotional pain.
Lesbian and gay people often feel "different" and "alone" when
they first become aware of same-sex attractions. They may
also fear being rejected by family, friends, co-workers and
religious institutions if they do "come out".
In addition, homosexuals are frequently the targets of
discrimination and violence. This threat of violence and
discrimination is an obstacle to lesbian and gay people's
development. In a 1989 national survey, 5% of the gay men and
10% of the lesbians reported physical abuse or assault related
to being lesbian or gay in the last year; 47% reported some
form of discrimination over their lifetime. Other research
has shown similarly high rates of discrimination and violence.
Q: What can be done to help lesbians and gay men overcome
prejudice and discrimination against them?
A: The people who have the most positive attitudes toward gay men
and lesbians are those who say they know one or more gay
person well. For this reason, psychologists believe negative
attitudes toward gays as a group are prejudices that are not
grounded in actual experience with lesbians or gay men but
on stereotypes and prejudice.
Furthermore, protection against violence and discrimination
are very important, just as they are for other minority
groups. Some states include violence against an individual on
the basis of her or his sexual orientation as a "hate crime"
and eight US states have laws against discrimination on the
basis of sexual orientation.
Q: Can therapy change sexual orientation?
A: No. Even though homosexual orientation is not a mental
illness and there is no scientific reason to attempt
conversion of lesbians or gays to heterosexual orientation,
some individuals may seek to change their own sexual
orientation or that of another individual (for example,
parents seeking therapy for their child). Some therapists
who undertake this kind of therapy report that they have
changed their clients' sexual orientation (from homosexual to
heterosexual) in treatment. Close scrutiny of their reports
indicates several factors that cast doubt: many of the claims
come from organisations with an ideological perspective on
sexual orientation, rather than from mental health
>>> Continued to next message
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 3/
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:19:20
EID:3ed1 22510260
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073388
>>> Continued from previous message
researchers; the treatments and their outcomes are poorly
documented; and the length of time that clients are followed
up after the treatment is too short.
In 1990 the American Psychological Association stated that
scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy
works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's
sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's
sexual behaviour. It would require altering one's emotional,
romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's
self-concept and social identity. Although some mental health
providers do attempt sexual orientation conversion, others
question the ethics of trying to alter through therapy a trait
that is not a disorder and that is extremely important to an
individual's identity.
Not all gays and lesbians who seek therapy want to change
their sexual orientation. Gays and lesbians may seek
counselling for any of the same reasons as anyone else. In
addition, they may seek psychological help to "come out" or
to deal with prejudice, discrimination and violence.
Q: Why is it important for society to be better educated about
homosexuality?
A: Educating all people about sexual orientation and
homosexuality is likely to diminish anti-gay prejudice.
Accurate information about homosexuality is especially
important to young people struggling with their own sexual
identity. Fears that access to such information will affect
one's sexual orientation are not valid.
Q: Where can I find more information about homosexuality?
A: The publications and organisations listed below can all
provide you with further information:
References:
Garnets, L.D., et al, "Issues in Psychotherapy
With Lesbians and Gay Men", _American_
_Psychologist_, Vol 46 #9, pp 964-972.
Goodchilds, J.D., _Psychological_Perspectives_
_on_Human_Diversity_In_America_, American
Psychological Association, Washington DC, 1993.
Garnets, L.D., and Kimmel, D.C., _Psychological_
_Perspectives_on_Lesbian_&_Gay_Male_Experiences_,
Columbia University Press, New York, 1993.
Gonsiorek, J.C., and Weinrich, J.D., _Homosexuality:_
_Research_Implications_For_Public_Policy_, Sage
Publications, California, 1991.
Herek, G.M., and Berrill, K.T., _Journal_of_
_Interpersonal_Violence_, Vol 5 #3.
Organisations:
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
1734 14th Street NW
Washington DC 20009
Telephone: 1-202-332-6483
National Institute of Mental Health
5600 Fishers Lane, Room 7C02
Rockville MD 20857
Telephone: 1-301-443-4513
Parents and Friends of Lesbian and Gays
1012 14th Street NW Suite 700
Washington DC 20005
Telephone: 1-202-638-4200
Sex Information and Education Council of the United States
130 West 42nd Street, Suite 2500
New York NY 10036
Telephone: 1-212-819-9770
Special Thanks:
Special thanks to the following APA members and staff whose
assistance made this brochure possible:
Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D., University of California at Davis.
Oliva M. Espin, Ph.D., San Diego State University, president
of APA division 44.
APA Committee on Lesbian and Gay Concerns.
Clinton W. Anderson, M.A., APA Office on Lesbian and Gay
Concerns.
Brochure written by Stephen J. Blommer.
Produced by the APA Office of Public Affairs.
[end brochure]
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:20:22
EID:3b21 22510280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 330733c6
* On 07-02-97 at 00:51, KEN YOUNG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
KY> KY> I had not heard this part.. True, it is only a resolution,
KY> KY> but I don't like the trend it could start.. Fortunately,
KY> KY> it is so ridiculous, it probably couldn't happen state
KY> KY> wide..
KY> RS> Yeah :) That's the funny thing. Though it is Texas :)
KY> But like I said, it is only a resolution, so at least it
KY> has no true power that a real law has.
Well, there is the problem of the promotion of one religious
ethos over others, by a governmental body.
Rod "...i.e. it's illegal" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus Christ Super Fraud. The Musical!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: U don't push a women
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:20:24
EID:1cdc 22510280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 330733c8
* On 06-02-97 at 18:16, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "U don't push a women" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> Al and Rod were killing time yakking about U don't push a women:
LB> AS> Well, the best defense is a good offense....
LB> RS> And this is a tertiary reason I do not wish to have my page
LB> RS> associated with you.
LB> RS> If I do find that you remain linked, I will change the URL, and
LB> RS> remove all references to my surname, hence making an Altavista
LB> RS> search impossible. Not kidding.
LB> Tsk. You realize of course, that this will earn you a journal entry.
Oh, more than a journal entry, a blurb on the actual page! :)
Rod "...I've withdrawn permission permanently, of course" Swift
:)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: He Come de Judge
|Date: 17 Feb 97 00:21:26
EID:912b 225102a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33073406
* On 26-01-97 at 17:03, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ROBERT CURRY,
on the topic of "He Come de Judge" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> RC> Silly Harpy!
LB> I am NOT the silly harpy! I am the caffeinated harpy!
LB> Now, Rod Swift has been pushing for harpy status. With the right kind
of
LB> bribes, we MIGHT consider letting him be the Silly Harpy.
:) No. I've started the Holysmoke Hellions now.
Rod "...byeeee!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't just stand there!!! Kneel!!!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 18 Feb 97 18:18:28
EID:63e8 22529240
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 330981f4
* On 30-01-97 at 17:46, DON MARTIN wrote to KEN YOUNG,
on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
DM> KY> AH, but that is ending the life of the guilty.. Abortion is killing
DM> KY> the innocent. A bit of a difference there..
DM> RS> ... so does killing a {gay person/witch/heretic/atheist/doctor}
DM> RS> for your god...
DM> KY> I would agree with you there.. Fortunately, I do not know anyone
that
DM> KY> would kill any of those people, just because of the labels you
gave
DM> KY> them above.
DM> Yet you plaster the label of "person" on a fetus, call
DM> it innocent, and somehow feel that you are making a point.
But of course he does, Don. It's all part of the hypocrisy of
the holier-than-thou Christian set :)
DM> And, the limitations of your acquaintance to one side,
DM> gays, witches, heretics, atheists, and doctors _have_ been
DM> killed by persons claiming to be Christians. Most supposed
DM> themselves to be carrying out their god's will by so doing.
And the bible even says that Ken has to kill a queer for Christ.
If he doesn't then he's a salad-bar Christian.
DM> Just because you do not happen to know any of these holy
DM> killers does not mean that society is safe from their
DM> ministry.
One goolgoolplexzillion correct, Don.
Rod "...I agree!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If this is reality I want a refund!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bill Wolff: silly guy!
|Date: 18 Feb 97 18:19:30
EID:3e69 22529260
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33098232
* On 08-02-97 at 01:48, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Bill Wolff: silly guy!" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> DC> MG> He's been busted so
DC> DC> MG> many times in the past few months that he looks
DC> DC> MG> like Madonna's pussy.
DC> DC> That's so disgusting...but so aptly stated!
DC> RS> Would 'Gutted Ewok' be a better euphemism next time?
DC> Nah, those things are cute, especially when they shake their
DC> spears at you.
Oh, ok :)
DC> It's Madonna that's disgusting.
Only the conical bras... :)
Rod "...imagine how many times dear little Lourdes' eyes are
going to be poked out with those points!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus saves! Krishna invests! Cthulhu forcloses!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Christian's secret weakn
|Date: 18 Feb 97 18:20:32
EID:8f9f 22529280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33098270
* On 08-02-97 at 01:54, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Christian's secret weakn" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> RS> rather than reading and replying to damn near every message like
DC> RS> Al B does...
DC> RS> We'd be able to have an upload of thousands of replies, each at
DC> RS> least 20 paragraphs long :)
DC> Too late. That's already happened!
Damn.
Rod "...can I at least deny him?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dogs crawl under gates, software crawls under Windows
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: He Come de Judge
|Date: 18 Feb 97 18:20:34
EID:7443 22529280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 33098272
* On 08-02-97 at 02:17, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "He Come de Judge" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> RS> Al Schroeder (because he'll feel left out, and if I don't
DC> RS> he'll tell my