God Damned Fundies!
|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 28 Feb 97 16:42:52
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-=> Jim Staal said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Marilyn Burge <=-
JS> OK. But the head is destroyed _after_ it has gone through the birth
JS> canal in these procedures. That last 3 inches before reaching air is
JS> beyond the birth canal.
Looks like you need an anatomy book, too.
JS> One thing for sure, woman who gave testimony on this was not an
JS> hysterical fundy.
Neither were several of the Catholic women who testified before congress
on the fact that they would not be here without the procedure...which had
been done with the blessing of their church.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: RIC CARTER
|Sub: BIBLE QUOTES
|Date: 28 Feb 97 16:50:42
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-=> RIC CARTER said, in a huffy tone of voice, to BRYSON HUGHES <=-
RC> they [women] don't eat the right "meat". See, it's all about sex
RC> and power and control. Bother.
But wasn't it Jesus who was supposed to have said 'it isn't what goes
into a man's mouth that makes him unclean, but what comes out of it' ?
(Another clue to JC being gay?)
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Clones vs Clowns
|Date: 01 Mar 97 06:53:48
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-=> David Worrell said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Terry Liberty-Parker
<=-
TP> Don't play God with human cloning,
DW> It's much more fun to play Patton with TANKS.
And why not do human cloning? It would be absolutely fascinating to have
a clone of myself and see what I could have become without all the shit
that fucked me over the first time.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Fetal Ralph
|Date: 01 Mar 97 06:58:18
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-=> Don Martin said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> Gentle reminder: It's not really safe to fuck with the Harpies.
DM> Er, what about _consenting_ harpies?
The WORST kind.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Mark O'Neill
|Sub: Blavatsky?
|Date: 01 Mar 97 07:18:22
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-=> Mark O'Neill said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Judith Bandsma <=-
MO> Thankyou. Have you received my alignment thingy as yet? If not I'll
MO> post it here.
You'll have to ask Kat. I just happened to have her URL in front of
me at the time you asked the question.
Now, if you want to send ME a picture, I'll be sure you get on the
'Holysmokers as *I* see them' page.
jbandsma@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Jbandsma
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: bozos, bozos everywhere
|Date: 01 Mar 97 07:26:42
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-=> Steve Quarrella said, in a huffy tone of voice, to David Worrell <=-
DW> let go of them. P&G will probably *always* be plagued by this shit.
SQ> Didn't they sue someone last year over this shit?
Yeah, several of the higher ups from AMWAY.
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Laddies Present
|Date: 01 Mar 97 16:53:42
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On 26 Feb 97 11:40:00 Lynda Bustilloz wrote to DAVID RAGLAND...
LB> Richard and David were killing time yakking about Alternative A:
RS> Oh, and by the way, WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH! There are
RS> ladies present.
DR> With the exception of Laurie, who are you referring to?
LB> Yea, Laurie's a REAL lady....
Hey, don't forget me! [:-)'
Ragland seems to suffer from gender confuzion....must be all those years
of prison sex, OR, maybe he saw his wife nude once?
Regards,
.JdB
... 'Tis not the degrees, but their remarks that I despise. D. Ragland
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Arrogant trash
|Date: 27 Feb 97 17:21:28
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On 26 Feb 97 11:22:00 Lynda Bustilloz wrote to DAN CEPPA...
LB> Dan and David were killing time yakking about ...:
LB>
DC>second place, she had you, an abortion that should have died,
DC>Captain.
DR> Actually, I am a Major. Fur real, dude. BTW, come to Louisiana and
DR> commit a felony real soon, ok. :)
LB> Hehe...don'cha love it when the little chestbeaters try to
LB> threaten through a modem. ;)
Even a modem can't filter out the christian poisonality!
Regards,
.JdB
... 'Tis not the degrees, but their remarks that I despise. D. Ragland
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: Sandra Peake -O'boy-
|Date: 27 Feb 97 22:16:32
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Hello Ronald,
On 22 Feb 97 13:40:00 Ronald Vass wrote to Jan Deboer...
> RV> You are dealing with a rouge J.W. fundy.
JD>Oh. In that case, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Sandra!
JD> MERRY CHRISTMAS, Sandra!
JD> HAPPY NEW YEAR, Sandra.
JD> HAPPY ST.Valentines DAY, Sandra!
RV> I do believe that the Christian Fundy, ran away again, and as per
RV> usually never left a note telling all the sinners
RV> on how to get saved. Hell if she can't handle me and my lack of
RV> knowledge in bible lore, can you imagine the fun all the heathens
RV> here would have with the likes of Sandra.
RV> She's a fun person, just takes herself & god, too dam serious.
A FUN JW?....that I gotta see! Entertaining, maybe...but FUN??
;-)
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:11:02
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On 23 Feb 97 15:50:00 David Ragland wrote to Jan Deboer...
JD>"Fervent patriotism as well as religious and revolutionary enthusiasm
JD>often serves as a refuge from a guily conscience." - Eric hoffer.
DR> Refuge from a what? :) Hey look at me! I'm Richard Smith. I
DR> can find spelling errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But Richard can't match your cunning linguistics, can he!
.JdB
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|From: Jan deBoer
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Reality 101
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:12:48
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On 26 Feb 97 08:47:40 Laurie Appleton wrote to Jan Deboer...
LA> Hi Jan,
LA> You seem to be more persistent in leaving me messages than
LA> seems realistic. Perhaps you are desperately crying out for
LA> something to get your "teeth" into and there is really
LA> something "troubling you"? Perhaps a page or two from
LA> Velikovsky's book entitled; EARTH IN UPHEAVAL might provide
LA> something to "chew on" for a while?
[Massive Velikovsky quote's deleted]
Realistic?....from someone who claims to stroll around with dead
Presidents? GUFFAW!
And what does Velikovsky have to do with YOUR claims of strolling around
Mt. St. Helens with "former President Harry Truman" a decade AFTER
Truman died? Trying a little distraction, are We?
Whatsamatter, don't like being shown for the pathological liar that you
are?
Quote, Lurie, quote! After all, that's all you can do - there isn't an
original thought in your little fundy brain - an original lie, maybe.
.JdB
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Dork
|Date: 01 Mar 97 14:14:34
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-=> Lynda Bustilloz said, in a huffy tone of voice, to JUDITH BANDSMA <=-
LB> (odd how he zeroed in on a sexual connotation there, isn't it. I gotta
LB> get a better class of worshipers....)
Smite him! Smite him! Lift up your pie and smite him. Don't forget the
hot coffee rinse.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 01 Mar 97 14:18:32
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-=> Quentin Fai said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Steve Quarrella <=-
QF> about halloween". Or 1-800-YOU-PRAY numbers.
I liked the '60s version. You could dial a number in New York and get
the listing for every planned demonstration in the country. I ran up a
lot of phone bills listening to them.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: YOU FORGOT TO ANSWER
|Date: 01 Mar 97 14:23:38
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-=> Roger Hunter said, in a huffy tone of voice, to Judith Bandsma <=-
JB> 10 days no one would remember your name.
RH> Ken who??
I'm figuring 9 days for all his messages to get out of the system +1
for those who had a power failure and were a day late picking up mail.
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Fetal Ralph
|Date: 01 Mar 97 16:30:42
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JB>> Gentle reminder: It's not really safe to fuck with the Harpies.
DM> Er, what about _consenting_ harpies?
Oh, that's ok. No one wants to take away his right to have his
kidneys clawed out through his nostrils.
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 1/
|Date: 01 Mar 97 16:39:44
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KY> Okay, then help me out with this.. What evidence is there that
KY> evolution is true?
Alelle frequency changes in populations over generational time.
This has been established since 1990 or so. No educated person
questions this fact.
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 1/
|Date: 01 Mar 97 16:41:40
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DH>> And look to your own country to find out what's happening when
DH>> people do not. Then decide where you want to live. Or are you
DH>> against the majority allowing abortion or getting prayer out
DH>> of the educational system?
KY> If that is what the people want, fine.. As long as it is more on the
KY> local or state level, and not federal..
. Just so long as you don't have to accept it, right? So it's
OK for a woman in one state to have choices but not in the next state?
What, then, is the point of remaining a country? Dollars?
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianit
|Date: 01 Mar 97 16:43:50
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KY>> If they were as violent and
KY>> irrational as some claim, there would be a lot more violence then
KY>> there is.
DH>> I guess Oklahoma City just wasn't violent enough for you, huh?
DH>> How much violence would be required for you to consider it
DH>> a problem?
KY> And I will assume you have evidence that a militia was involved?
The only evidence so far is the accused bomber's admission that
he did it and that he was a militia member, from whence he received
the training necessary to blow up the building. That he chose to
do it when it was most populated, rather than in the middle of
the night, indicates he was intending to be as violent as possible.
KY> Any violence would be a problem, but no case of violence has ever been
KY> proven to be the result of a militia's actions.
ROTFL!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: The madness spreads!!!
|Date: 25 Feb 97 15:22:00
EID:2e2c 22597ac0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331349e8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jim Staal said to Richard Smith about Well, women? (guff!):
DR> Day #5, wake up alone and then attend ritual, workshops,
DR> and the Stone Soup, then sing "Nine Times a Night" at the
DR> talent show, then dream about having Starwyn, Hawk Shadow,
DR> and Melinda all in my tent for about 12 hours. Then go to
DR> bed alone.
js> Hmmm...I don't know about this sleeping alone thing.
js> When the Lovely Wilbur [tm] isn't there...I get a bit
js> scared in the dark.
RS> Jimson not only justifying, but indicating he has marital
RS> affairs? LOL . . .
js> past affair.
Now, I would have thought the odds on finding another person
willing to sleep with Jimson to be very remote, but here we
have the admission of same. Guess I better go buy a lottery
ticket tonight for sure . . .
... ARGH! Arf... -Jim Staal
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 25 Feb 97 15:29:02
EID:f828 22597ba0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33134b8e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marilyn Burge said to Richard Smith about 'First Cause' Crap:
jb> And I suppose there is no "smallest nonzero number,"
jb> either? (*chuckle*)
DC> For once, John, you supposed right.
MB> Infinite in both directions. Wadda surprise! NOT!
jb> "...in both directions" from _what_, Marilyn?
RS> Infinite from ANY point, right?
MB> That's the way infinity works. Yes.
I guess the only two of us that don't grasp this must be
Bra-less himself and Dougie Schwandt . . .
... Me? Whine? I don't whine; I bitch. -- John Brawley
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Oh no . . .
|Date: 25 Feb 97 15:31:04
EID:7175 22597be0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33134c08
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marilyn Burge said to Richard Smith about Oh no . . .:
ROD> Rod "...just which interest group do you represent?"
ROD> Swift :)
tlp> I'm a hardcore Libertarian.
RS> I'm going to have to change political parties, it
RS> looks like. Damn.
MB> Don't you know that libertarianism is the really,
MB> really big tent that the Republicans only dream
MB> about?
So there's room for clowns like TLP there?
MB> My fundy friend and I are both libertarians (small l).
MB> He says he'd vote for a libertarian candidate in a
MB> heartbeat, if they ever found one that didn't have a
MB> lifestyle that spoke loudly of his wish to dodge the
MB> bullet of the laws he'd been wilfully breaking for
MB> years.
I know that feeling . . .
... Same to you..Sticks like glue...na na na boo boo....-T. Liberty-Parker
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 25 Feb 97 15:35:06
EID:4f03 22597c60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33134cfa
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ed Mills said to Richard Smith about paranoid?:
RS> I don't think anyone else here has been shot at for
RS> expressing their views. You may have started a new club!
EM> Certainly the first of its kind on this side of the
EM> Mason-Dixon line. With a slight twist this time, though
EM> - the heretics are better armed than the crusaders. At
EM> least this particular one, who will be pleasantly
EM> surprised, next time, to have his/her .38's reciprocated
EM> with .44, .45 or 7.62X39 party favors.
RS> When you care enough to send the very best . . .
RS> I don't suppose you have any Talons . . .
EM> Subway ammo! No, I keep Glasers in the .45, they're just
EM> as nasty and they don't ricochet or penetrate more than
EM> one layer of sheetrock. Although a couple years ago, I
EM> had the opportunity to buy a box of Talons. I kick
EM> myself now - they'd have made a cool knick-knack.
I take it that they ARE either illegal and/or out of
production today, then?
EM> The .44 is loaded with Federal 240-grain truncated-nose
EM> JHP's, which will stop any bipedal primate on earth,
Damn, that'll stop most mammals on earth . . .
EM> Kevlar or not. I've also got some interesting handloads
EM> for that toy, swaged-full-jacket 240's with the maximum
EM> charge for H4227 propellant. You never know when a
EM> rhinoceros might get loose from the zoo and bust into
EM> your kitchen.
I'm glad you're not doing pharmaceuticals any longer . . .
... *BLAM!* *BLAM!* Make peck'ular patterns in my wheat field, will ya?!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Believing vs Nonbelie
|Date: 25 Feb 97 22:30:08
EID:2c01 2259b3c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313ae40
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ed Mills said to Richard Smith about Believing vs Nonbelie:
RS> ... If the cops throw a net over me, am I legally in seine?
EM> I know it's declasse to respond to a tagline, but....
EM> AAAAAAAAARRRGH!
EM> That was some serious pun ishment.
... Too many puns, not enough time to ex spleen them...
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 25 Feb 97 22:38:10
EID:b9ec 2259b4c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b022
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Educational Experienc:
RichS> I like this. You go back so far and answer such old
RichS> messages that yours are the only posts addressed to
RichS> me after I've been gone a month! I love mail!
RodS> :) :) It was that special Yule gift from me to you :) :)
RichS> Aw, you shouldn't have . . .
RodS> Oh yes I should. :) :)
RodS> I note that there is less of a lag now :) :)
RichS> One of us must be slipping . . .
RodS> Yes, it is I :)
Well, it DOES help the conversation flow a bit easier . . .
RodS> Can you please explain the context and meaning of
RodS> the word "gook" as you have used it above?
js> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
RichS> Has anyone pointed out to Jimson that the word `gook'
RichS> is not part of the Vietnamese language?
RodS> Yes.
RichS> Then he's purposely lying? I thought so, but it's always
RichS> nice to get confirmation.
RodS> Of course. Naturally, living closer to the region and the
RodS> anti-Asian rhetoric, I understand that in every instance "Gook"
RodS> is used to dehumanise people of any Asian background, not just
RodS> Vietnamese people.
He, of course, will deny it.
RichS> So, say about next August, he'll realize what was
RichS> said . . .
RodS> Only if it involves those commie rice-eatin'
RodS> chinko-nazi sombees :) [For the other echo participants,
RodS> I wish to apologise in advance for the language I have
RodS> just used. I do not hold such views, I merely am
RodS> emulating Staaaalin-stupidity-mode... :)]
RichS> I think most of us understood that as a given.
RodS> I just wanted to state it before Jimson kicks both
RodS> afterburners
You mean he's cooking again?
RodS> in and says that his usage of hate speech is justified
RodS> because I used it.
"And if your best friend jumped off a bridge,
would you?"
RichS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
RodS> Perjorative to the maximum, Richard.
RichS> Absolutely.
RodS> Yep... Couldn't agree with someone of the same
RodS> initials any more than I am. A Gazillion Percent
RodS> Correct, Richard!
RodS> Rod "...I think I better get married soon, to solve
RodS> the confusion :)" Swift :)
RichS> You mean he wouldn't take YOUR name?
RodS> We're both taking each other's names... :) :) In fact,
As he has already explained to me.
RodS> we were thinking of a neutral name to both use and
RodS> dispense our existing names, but Staal is so tainted
RodS> now :)
Oh, the infamy of it all . . .
... * Evaluation copy of Blue Wave. Day # 15,465,829,462,076.525
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: I KNEW it!
|Date: 25 Feb 97 22:40:12
EID:abc5 2259b500
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b09c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about I KNEW it!:
js> ... Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but
js> it hurts when I insert 'em.
RodS> Didn't your mother tell you they were good
RodS> for haemorrhoids? Start shoving away... Trust
RodS> me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
js> Ahhh you are correct!
RichS> LOL . . . the truth is finally out, as is Jimson . . .
RodS> BINGO! :)
RichS> I knew it, after all that talk about size and
RichS> leather biker bars, the S.O. named Wilbur, etc.
RodS> And, of course, we all know that for Jim's Birthday, we
RodS> should send presents to the dearly *ahem* female
RodS> "Wilbur" something ordered from the Northbound catalog
RodS> at http://www.northbound.com/ :)
RichS> Damn, wish I browsed the web . . .
RodS> Yeah, well, maybe a local library near you has web access.
They do. Will check it out next time I'm down there.
RodS> Alternatively, dial up PPP connections start at about
RodS> $15/month unlimited access :)
Thanx for the advice. When it's possible to slip that into
the budget, I'll give it a look-see.
RodS> Rod "...you are missing out on a *lot*" Swift ;)
Don't I know it.
... It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsie in snide. -- Bud Webster
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Tagline!
|Date: 25 Feb 97 22:44:14
EID:0d94 2259b580
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b18e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Tagline!:
js> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to
js> find rough n ready sex. get real, will ya?
RichS> I swear, there's a tagline there someplace . . .
RichS> ... I go there with my wife to find rough n ready
RichS> sex. -J. Staalin
RodS> I wanna know where he goes when they are not on
RodS> vacation, for that rough n ready sex :)
RichS> Around Grand Rapids? Hmmm . . . no idea . . .
RodS> Maybe they go to that sin city of Lansing! :)
More likely, East Lansing, which is the more daring of the
two . . .
RichS> Maybe he'll give a demonstration at the
RichS> convention . . .
RodS> Oh my! But if it's in Texas, it's probably against
RodS> TX Code Section 21.06 :)
RichS> If we have it in Vegas, is there a corresponding code?
RodS> I suspect so. I do not know if New Mexico has an
RodS> anti-sodomy law or crimes-against-"nature" law.
Judging from what they've done to local native americans, I
would say neither.
RodS> TX21.06 is effectively dead, however.
All right!
RichS> Oh yes.
RodS> Time to drag out the FAQ and give it a "new year
RodS> update" :)
RichS> Where IS Sean at, btw? Haven't seen any posts from
RichS> him in a long time . . .
RodS> I think there is something about powder taking... We
RodS> may need a new FAQ committee.
I think I heard that Hector was performing that service, but
maybe we should bring it up at the next Secret Cabal
Meeting.
... THERE'S A TRANSPORTER ROOM INSIDE THE VIRGIN MARY? -- Sean Mccullough
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Smegma Staalin
|Date: 25 Feb 97 22:59:16
EID:5c3d 2259b760
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b514
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Smegma Staalin:
RodS> It is customary in educational circles to only refer
RodS> to yourself *after* college as a *major* if one has
RodS> passed it. If not, you can only claim to have studied
RodS> some units in an attempt to gain a major... :)
RichS> Almost totally true. Here in the states, though,
RichS> often people will speak of their Major, even though
RichS> they may not hae attained it.
RodS> Correctly, they normally state that they are either
RodS> *studying* to achieve it, or have graduated it with
RodS> the major stream completed.
We must have been inordinately relaxed about that back in
the MidWest.
RichS> We're somewhat relaxed about it. But you're still
RichS> correct, as far as real etiquette is concerned, I
RichS> suppose.
RodS> Most definitely. Given that Jim didn't graduate, and
RodS> Jim hence did not gain the academic qualification nor
RodS> the degree program requirements for an English Major,
RodS> he's just as plain and ordinary as the rest of you.
And he only matriculates when he thinks that no one is
watching.
RodS> "Once studied towards" doesn't mean shit. I could
Seems to do very well for Brawley, even IF he can't add or
subtract on a numberline, figure out there is only one size
infinity, etc. . . .
RodS> take one unit in first-year physics aiming toward a
RodS> degree in theoretical physics. I wouldn't sprout
RodS> about being a "theoretical physics major", and imply
RodS> that I am actually a trained and educated theoretical
RodS> physicist. That would be duplicitous :)
That would be Brawley . . .
RodS> It's also exactly what Jimbozo is doing :)
RodS> We call it lying :)
Well, at least he's consistent.
rods> I doubt he's currently an English major! :)
RichS> Oh, you got that right.
RodS> :) But of course. :)
Judging from the mangling the tongue takes by him . . .
rods> To be so, he'd have to have graduated from a degree
rods> program with such a recognised major stream.
RichS> And, presumably, he'd have to know something
RichS> about English.
RodS> Correct :) He has shown much evidence to the contrary :)
Exactly. And there's nothing more shameful than a person
who can't grasp their native tongue.
smith> ROFLMGDAO . . . gads, I don't have the heart to tell
smith> the lil' feller . . . . . .
rods> Well, in Jimson's world, black people probably don't
rods> exist :)
RichS> They probably live in a more upscale trailor park, or
RichS> in actual houses.
RodS> Or they're just like Amos, Andy, or maybe even Rosa,
RodS> if she'll sit at the back of the bus :)
"Wilbur don't 'low no guitar playing 'round here!"
rods> Neither do gay people probably. Both those groups
rods> have had marches of more than 500,000 in
rods> Washington :)
RichS> True. And the blacks had the first official Million Man
RichS> March, though there may be some controversy about numbers.
RodS> Uh, the GLBT March on Washington was before the Million Man
RodS> march. Of course, I suppose the war protests certainly had
RodS> a helluva lot of people in Washington too :) :)
But wasn't the Million Man March the first one to bill
itself as a Million Man March?
smith> I think they could have marched right across Jimson's
smith> instep and he'd still not have noticed . . .
rods> Some of them probably did. :) :) Remember, he likes
rods> leather, and someone named "Wilbur" and gay biker
rods> bars :)
RichS> I bet he's a bottom, not a top.
RodS> Oh boy! Won't Chris be excited :) :)
There you go, you've now got entertainment for your bachelor
party(-ies) . . .
rods> Heck, I bet the Lesbian Avengers could organise a
rods> better March on Washington than the Promisefilth.
RichS> Or Queer Nation.
RodS> QN, or Act-up, or even the PFLAG Ladies Auxilliary :)
Or even the Dancing Dorothys.
smith> You know, you just can't buy entertainment like this.
rods> That's why it should be in the FAQ :)
smith> Saved for posterity . . .
rods> Only if it is Jim's, and if I get to pull it outta
rods> there on a regular basis...
RichS> I hope you have a good milkcrate to stand on before you fist
RichS> the mister . . .
RodS> Fist-a-mister. It's not only a tagline, but an echo
RodS> tradition.
Sounds almost like an attraction at a Carny Midway . . .
RodS> :) And I get to sit on the milkcrate... He gets to sit on
RodS> something else :) :) *wink*
RodS> For the humour impaired, btw, I'm "not into that". :)
LOL . . . now you've confused Jimson for SURE.
... Nut bolts and screws washers
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:02:18
EID:af95 2259b840
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b5ca
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Rod Swift said to Richard Smith about Cracker Barrel boycott:
Jd> I presume then, that you live the 'natural' lifestyle,
Jd> Ken! Must be tough going nude this time of year!
ky> Seeing how clothes are biblical, I see no problem with
ky> it. But one cannot say the same for homosexuality.
smith> Oh really? Evidence for this? What about Jesus
smith> with the naked boy in the garden?
rods> Got a scriptural reference for that :) :)
RichS> Gotta look for it again, I have it saved someplace . . .
RodS> It's John, right? :)
I think so . . . damn hard drive . . .
RichS> . . . dang, can't find it now. (GOTTA clear off that hard
RichS> drive!) Anyone else remember the chapter and verse of this
RichS> pup? I remember it being discussed in the last six months.
smith> ... Creative Bible use #5: David & Jonathan lovers?
smith> ISam 1:26/20:41/18:3-4
rods> Ah, that's 2 SAM 1:26, 1 SAM 20:41-42 and 1
rods> SAM 18:1-4 :)
RichS> So I noticed after I typed it into the tagline file. I have
RichS> GOT to go edit it, if I can make it fit. Thanx for pointing
RichS> it out.
RodS> Not a problem. I'm sure the Christians love having this
RodS> pointed out to them.
RodS> They claim they hate the SIN not the SINNER. The sin is
RodS> homosexual SEXUAL ACTIVITY, not homosexual relationships.
RodS> Given that, their entire opposition to gay marriage rights
RodS> collapses :)
But not their fear of homosexuals.
... ...Piss everone off! Nuke the Gay Baby Whales for Jesus!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Rat finds Food at End of
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:04:20
EID:3760 2259b880
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b644
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dave Hamilton said to Richard Smith about Rat finds Food at End of:
DH> On the CTV news tonight:
DH> Toronto, Ontario:
DH> A 59-year-old Catholic Priest has been charged with Child
DH> Molestation over incidents occurring between 1991 and 1993.
DH> The parents originally reported the item to officials in
DH> the Church, where they were assured that the issue would
DH> be dealt with.
DH> However it was dealt with, the police were never notified,
DH> the pastor still has his position. He has NOW been charged
DH> by police.
We just had something similar happen around here about the
middle of the month. I'll have to see if I kept anything
about it.
Thanx for posting this. I appreciate it.
... Pi R Squared? No. Pie R round, Cornbread R square!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: No 8 Page Goodby
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:05:22
EID:96d0 2259b8a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b682
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ronald Vass said to Richard Smith about No 8 Page Goodby:
LB> And sorry I'm not going to get an answer from him on it.
MB> Oh! Did I miss another one of Al's good-bye messages
MB> in eight parts?
LB> No, he buried it on the Internet this time.
LB> Or more accurately, buried HIMSELF on the Internet this
LB> time...
RS> Oh no, I missed it! Wait a second. I forgot. He'll
RS> be back in two weeks.
RV> Nope. Wrong movie. That was when I allowed him to run away.
LOL . . .
... Inherit the Windbag. -- A. Schroeder
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: native americans
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:06:24
EID:f5a0 2259b8c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b6c0
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Damien Wellman said to Richard Smith about native americans:
RS> "Your mother was a hampster, and your father reeked of
RS> elderberries. Now go away, or I will taunt you a second
RS> time."
DW> You are obviously False Monty Scum; It's "Your father
DW> SMELT of elder- berries."
Well, so it was. That's what I get for allowing 15 years to
pass since my last complete viewing . . .
... Look at the BONES! -- Tim the Enchanter
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:09:26
EID:8aba 2259b920
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b776
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Worrell said to Richard Smith about infinitesimals:
jb> (I thought they might do that; I just wanted to watch
jb> them dance....)
DW> I'm sure you did, John.
RS> Is Brawly still under the delusion that he calls the
RS> piper?
DW> Hmmm.... delusions John has been shown to suffer from>...
DW> ... Yes, here it is. He does suffer from
DW> that delusion, too.
That took so long, I was beginning to wonder if it was an
infinite list. Not a BIG infinite list, though, but more
one of the medium size infinite lists . . .
... Cauterize someone you love today, with a Brawly Probe!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: .
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:12:28
EID:e61b 2259b980
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b82c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to Richard Smith about .:
RS> Well, that's two harpies heard from, with positive feedback
RS> in both cases.
JB> SHIT!!!!
LOL . . . taken to ordering it out, if you can't get them to
eat any pie?
JB> Have been having bad mail problems. But I acknowledged this
JB> one about the same time Lynda did.
I've been having problems on this end as well. It would
seem there was a concensus, unless I have to run it up the
crucifix and see who genuflects for the harpy-wannabees?
JB> It was priceless. Shall we put you on staff as freelance
JB> advertising copy writer?
Tres cool. Yes, certainly. Though, I must inform you, I
cannot take some of my wages in trade . . .
... Incubus [tm], the Official Footware of the Harpy League.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: paranoid?
|Date: 25 Feb 97 23:13:30
EID:e72a 2259b9a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3313b86a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to Richard Smith about paranoid?:
RS> ... I'm easily amused, just give me a gun & a yard full of
RS> fundamentalists ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
DC> How does that compare with a 'shit load of fundamentalists'?
Well, one of those implies how many fundamentalists one can
hold in one's ass. Homey don't play that game around here,
so . . .
... Errata: "In the beginning" should read "Catch this shit..."
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: No Man Unclean
|Date: 26 Feb 97 05:41:32
EID:3599 225a2d20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3314135c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to All about No Man Unclean:
bh> Why did the sheet of all the animals represent the Gentiles?
bh> Because of the Noachide covenant.
DM> The sheet of all the animals refers to the ruling that ALL are
DM> eligible to join the Ku Klux Klan; yea, some quadrupeds there have
DM> risen to the rank of Kleagal and even Wizard on the basis of their
DM> superior IQs. Noachide is, of course, an early version of Naugahide,
DM> a humane replacement for sheepskin upon which covenants, diplomas,
DM> and the like may be written.
bh> In this way, Peter was taught that even those who are not
bh> Jewish, and eat all meats, are also to be saved by Messiah.
bh> Thus Peter said, "God has shown me not to call any MAN
bh> unclean."
DM> "for by the separation of his toes, MAN parteth the hoof, and by
DM> his acid reflux SURELY he cheweth the cud: therefore is MAN not
DM> unclean. He is Kosher, and may be enjoyed for all meals except on
DM> fast days. Yea, they that weareth rubber boots and spend long times
DM> in streams may even THEN be counted as fish and enjoyed during
DM> Lent."
DM> Good news, indeed, Brother Hughes!
*R*O*F*L*M*G*D*A*O*!*!*!*
"Brother Maynard, fetch the Holy Hand
Grenade of Antioch."
... It's like those miserable Psalms; they're so depressing. -- God
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Cross Posting???
|Date: 26 Feb 97 05:45:34
EID:ee3d 225a2da0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3314144e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Norman Solomon said to All about Cross Posting???:
ns> Hi All
Hey there, Norman.
ns> I would like some advice please.
ns> I have discovered that I can post things I read in
ns> here to other {Fido} echo's. Is this OK?
Ah, absolute power at last! It depends on where you
post it. Some echos might not appreciate receiving some of
this stuff.
ns> They would be local echo's (England), where I feel that
ns> they ought to have an idea of what is going on in some
ns> sections of "Christianity" in other parts of the world.
ns> What are the rules?
I don't think there are any hard fast rules. I would say,
if you were reposting something of mine, that I would
appreciate it at the very least if you give me proper credit
for it, and put down where it came from. I imagine the
others would feel somewhat the same about their words.
... 24 hours in a day/24 beers in a case: Coincidence???
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: clones
|Date: 26 Feb 97 05:48:36
EID:f626 225a2e00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33141504
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to All about clones:
KS> Well, 'Dolly', the first actual adult mammal clone
KS> is alive and well. Coincidentally, she's a sheep.
Well helloooooo, Dolly!
KS> I'm having a devil (oops) of a time trying to figure
KS> out what impact this will have on fundys...
They won't have to proselytize anymore?
... My father doesn't drink anymore. He doesn't drink any less, either.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Warring Christan Faction
|Date: 27 Feb 97 17:44:38
EID:e446 225b8d80
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to David Rice about WARRING CHRISTAN FACTIONS:
KW> So Bear's still ahead of Leo.
DR> Ursa Major or Ursa Minor?
DC> Andress.
. . . undressed . . .
... D.A.M.N.: Naked Mothers Against Dyslexia
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: A baby + God = Hell
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:02:40
EID:14dc 225b9040
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161290
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jan Deboer said to Ken Young about A baby + God = Hell:
RV> * SLMR 2.1a * Dead Babies go to Hell. -- Psalms 58:3 --
ky> May be just a tagline, but I had to respond.. In my
ky> Bible it says: The wicked are estranged from the womb;
ky> they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.
Jd> Well, psychology claims that sociopaths are born, and
Jd> incurable, so here, at last, we find a item of truth in
Jd> the book of deception! There _have_ to be a _few_ ; as
Jd> Julie Andrews sang, "a spoonful of sugar helps the
Jd> medicine go down."
ky> We may be a wicked people, but being born insane is
ky> something else altogether.
Jd> But, Ken.....newborns SPEAKING LIES fresh outta the
Jd> womb? Just SPEAKING would be miraculous........and your
Jd> evidence for this is?
ky> It doesn't have to be verbally.
JD> Speaking anally, then? I mean, what else is there?
This kind of speech was first heard about the time of the
pharoahs. It was often referred to as a toot uncommon . . .
... I am about as fruity as they come -- David `Pollinate Me!' Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Paul Davis
|Sub: Bye
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:12:42
EID:5cf4 225b9180
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331614ea
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Paul Davis said to All about Bye:
pd> Hi,
pd> Well, I just got my first InterNet account and I need to
pd> drop some Fido echoes. As much as I'd like to stay in
pd> here and ride the storms and make new friends and
pd> enemies I have to drop this one because of it's
pd> phenomenal daily flow.
pd> To everyone who has written to me, flamer, enquirer,
pd> conversationist, if you feel that I've wasted your time
pd> then you are welcome to send me an Email to the address
pd> in my sig and I'll write you a reply.
pd> nice to have met some of you ;)
pd> Paul
I guess you're unfamiliar with the amount of usage on the
Net, especially UseNet, eh? We're nothing when it comes to
daily traffic in comparrison. Run away now.
... why don't you give birth and then kill the child? -- Xtian Paul Davis
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:43:44
EID:85d5 225b9560
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161c30
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to Dave Hamilton about Cheese Whiz:
DH> same frequency per 1,000,000 births that was previously
DH> dealt with by simply crushing the baby's head into a
DH> long pulpy cylinder with forceps. It was over exactly
DH> this issue that Canadian Catholic
JB> I think it was either 42 or 46 NATIONWIDE last year.
I've read that it's about 160, still a very low figure,
considering . . .
JB> But if he STILL (after seeing a picture...or so he says)
JB> thinks there's room enough for a pair of scissors and a
JB> vacuum machine, he needs more than glasses.
I think it tells us something about Wilbur . . .
... If space is a vacuum, who changes the bags?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Believing vs Nonbelie
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:49:46
EID:efca 225b9620
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161d9a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to David Worrell about Believing vs Nonbelie:
et> No, and I would ask Marcia Clark to help but she could
et> not get a jury to convict O.J. Maybe the lawyers that
et> got the jury to find him
DW> And the point of all this babbling was... what, exactly?
DW> That you're the equivalent of a piss-poor lawyer?
JB> This whole thing with OJ troubles me no end. Whether he
JB> did it or not (and *I* happen to think he did), the fact
JB> is that a jury found him 'not guilty'.
Of the crime of Murder.
JB> Under our system
JB> of law, no one can be tried twice for the same crime.
That's right, and he's not being tried for Murder again.
He's being tried (or was tried, now that it's after the
fact) for Wrongful Death. Different charge.
JB> While a civil suit does not have the force of a criminal
JB> suit, how can anyone say 'ok, you aren't guilty of this
JB> crime but you still are going to have to pay damages for
JB> it'? Doesn't this violate the double jeopardy clause?
Nope, see above.
... Guns don't kill people, OJ kills people. -- NRA via Dennis Miller
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:51:48
EID:a029 225b9660
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161e14
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to Ken Young about Exemplifying examples:
ky> Yep. His name is God.
JB> No, GOD is a job title, not a name.
Yep. Gonzalez, at least, knew the name of HIS Deity . . . I
guess Ken is just illiterate . . .
... Say the secret word and win an afterlife. -- YHVH's Groucho aspect
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Canadian Politics
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:52:50
EID:4271 225b9680
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161e52
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to David Rice about Canadian Politics:
DR> How does one write "Fule Injector" in Dutch?
JB> Fuel Injector.
Glad you corrected that. I was wondering what David was
talking about, giving shots to idiots . . .
... A dorky dick-head with ears in white jeans----outstanding ears -- JS
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Goodbye /1
|Date: 27 Feb 97 18:55:52
EID:7171 225b96e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33161f08
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Judith Bandsma said to Rod Swift about Goodbye /1:
RS> Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass the fertiliser for Jim's
RS> plants" Swift :)
JB> Interesting question. How do you fertilize plastic plants?
Artificial plastic vomit and fake rubber dog turds?
... A fart is a cry for help from a turd in trouble! -- Phrozen^doberman
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Bored
|Date: 27 Feb 97 19:10:54
EID:8f99 225b9940
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316228e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Norman Solomon about Bored:
DW> Are you saying that Christianity is a *race*? Damn,
DW> everytime I think we've plumbed the depths of your
DW> stupidity, you show us the pit is actually even deeper.
ns> You have studied theology, haven't you? Which part of
ns> "for we are aliens and foreigners here" did'nt you
ns> understand?
LB> That doesn't really address the question. Just because
LB> Christians think they are aliens (you KNOW you're going
LB> to hear about that, don't you?) doesn't make them a
LB> 'race'. There are christians in every racial group, but
LB> christianity is a religion, not a race.
Norman seemed to understand this when I explained it to him,
I wonder why he's continuing to be obtuse with you and
David?
DW> And people say the American education system is all
DW> fucked up. We appear to be parsecs ahead of you pathetic
DW> bastards.
ns> Your posts could purswade me that your education was
LB> ^^^^^^^^(should be persuade)
ns> screwed up, having attended Uni in the states
ns> (Harvard), and a Doctorate in England (Oxford) I have
ns> experienced of both systems.
Why do the Brits feel it necessary to tell us how superior
they are to us? I think we could tell from their Ebonics
already . . .
ns> If it is your attention to keep digging yourself into
LB> ^^^^^^^^^ I think the word you're look
LB> for is "intention"
ns> holes of this magnitude, might I suggest you hire some
ns> plant :)
LB> :) Only two years of community college here, but might I
LB> suggest that you, educated on two continents tho you may
LB> be, take a bit of EXTRA time to proof read any post
LB> where you're bragging about your superior education.
Or even just get a spell checker, as I've suggested . . .
LB> Especially when your two mistakes here indicate that you
LB> don't have a great understanding of spelling OR
LB> vocabulary, which is your problem with the word "racist"
LB> as well.
Hmm, would have to agree with you. I seems, though, to also
have grasped my explanation for why the word `racist' is not
accurate. I wonder if he's just being disingenuous?
LB> (yes, yes, I have read the exchange regarding dyslexia.
LB> None of these are dyslexic errors. Use a dictionary if
LB> you are unsure, or refrain from "my education is better
LB> than your education" games.)
LOL . . . So much for showing up with a pre-set excuse for
being fucked up . . . He's already reminding me of
Chris.
... Jimson Staalin University -- where learning is never a hindrance.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Reading Incomprehensi
|Date: 27 Feb 97 19:11:56
EID:6623 225b9960
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331622cc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Dan Ceppa about READING INCOMPREHENSI:
DC> So, just what did P&G do that made you so fucking mad at
DC> them?
LB> Child proof caps.
LB> They've made his life a living hell....I mean, push down
LB> AND turn at the same time?!?!
Explains why they rely on the missionary position so much . . .
... A Kennedy's most common sexual position: Defendant.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 27 Feb 97 19:23:58
EID:1f7c 225b9ae0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316259e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Steve Quarrella said to Don Martin about Pedophile Christian cook:
SQ> "Tattaglia's a pimp. He could have never outfought
SQ> Santino. But I never knew until this day that it was
SQ> Barzini all along."
SQ> I saw HBO's special with Goodall the other night. My goodness,
SQ> has she gotten old. My memories of her are of the work she
SQ> did many many years ago, and I'd wager that she was in her 20s
SQ> when she was filmed for the movies I saw in high school.
SQ> Dian Fossey is of course no longer with us, but what
SQ> happened to the woman that Louis Leakey sent out to study
SQ> the orangutans? Galdikas? Was that her name?
Maybe her name was Goldilocks, and she was sent out to study
bears?
... Jesus to crowd: "No! I said picnic not pick nits! Damn apes." -gr/DC
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|From: Graham Drummond
|To: Homer Simpson
|Sub: Re: nu-bible.txt
|Date: 01 Mar 97 13:36:12
EID:6c8a 22616c80
MSGID: 3:640/375@fidonet 3318854d
PID: CNet PRO 4.26 (beta)
Hitler. Stalin. Simpson. Mussolini. Mao Tse Tung.
HS> well the bible was writen in Greek and Hebrew, and each alphabet
HS> letter had a numeric number for it,
I don't know about Hebrew, but that is correct for Greek.
HS> and from what i read in a book
HS> about numerics is that used on the bible it shows a pattern from start
HS> to end, e.g the number 7 had something to to with GOD from start to
HS> end.
People see what they want to see. I can "prove" with numerics
that you or I or Fleagle are (is? am? whatever!) the Beast.
HS> now if they used the same test on any other book ever writen it would
HS> be mumbo-jumbo,
If you play the Pink Floyd album Dark Side Of The Moon whilst
watching The Wizard Of Oz, you will find many strange
coincidences between the film and the album. No, I'm not kidding.
It wasn't planned that way, but coincidence can be pretty extreme
sometimes.
HS> the bible talks about nuclear bombs, cars, and even earth
HS> here is one example (of many)
I'd like to hear more.
HS> Many people assummed that the earth was flat until Columbus made his
HS> westward voyage in 1492 AD. Most thought they would fall over the edge.
Whoah, whoah, whoah. That is WRONG. Very few, if any, people
thought the world was flat at that time. The Greeks realised
that the world was round somewhere around 600 BC simply from
viewing the shape of the horizon - and, in fact, long before
Jesus' time the Greek mathematician Hipparchus calculated the
circumference of the earth reasonably accurately. (Ptolemy also
tried but he was way off the mark). The reason nobody wanted to
sail westward from Europe to Asia was that they didn't know about
the continent of America. They were simply worried about being
away from land for so long.
HS> Commom sense said the world was flat,
Hmm, hardly.
HS> but GOD stated in approx., 712 BC that it was round.
So did the Greeks. (Where did you get such an accurate date
from?)
HS> you believe what that person says, and i'll belive what the bible
HS> says, there you go problem fixed :)
Hardly proof of the Bible's overall accuracy.
HS> and allso i don't care what anyone one says, i believe there is a GOD
HS> for he has answer my prayers
Right. You believe, I don't. Peace be.
HS> but he said nup, it's not ear infection, and then said it COULD mayby
HS> be brain damage, me still being young and i must say i really loved
HS> boomer, i prayed for him in the holy ghost and in understanding.
HS> and allso crying for boomer because i loved my dog,
HS> anyway only the next day or two days after, i went to see boomer, he
HS> was now walking fine :)
If God was so wonderful why was your dog crook in the first
place?
HS> thats GOD for me, he's my best friend. because i don't care what
HS> anyone says human friends will ALLWAYS let you down(at one time or
HS> another) but not GOD.
I used to be fairly religious. I've read most of the Bible and I
believed in God and Jesus the Christ. However, for reasons known
only to himself, the old sod made my life a misery. I started to
have doubts. Ever since I decided that God didn't exist and that
Jesus was a phony, my life has improved immensely. I now control
my own destiny rather than wasting my time trying to petition a
being that nobody has seen. I now am able to look at things with
a critical rather than prejudiced eye. I no longer believe that
you have to believe in God to be a good person. My life is a
whole lot more fun, and I no longer fear death. If that doesn't
suit you, then so be it. But I'm happy now.
HS> so instead of trying to find something to degrade the bible, why not
HS> quit while your behind, and find GOD?
I'm trying to. Really, I am. But I won't believe in something
that to me makes no sense.
HS> please forgive me Fleage, Almaz, Booger, and RMb190?? if i said
HS> something of my OWN accord to offend you.
You haven't, don't worry.
HS> and the people that are ofended are the ones that don't like the light
HS> showing what they really like.
It seems that Christians get offended whenever anyone mentions
even one error in the Bible.
Take care.
Gang warily
Buster
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|From: Graham Drummond
|To: Rich Uhr
|Sub: Re: nu-bible.txt
|Date: 01 Mar 97 13:36:53
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Ja> What's more, It says in the Bible(tm) that if you tell people once and
Ja> they argue, just leave.
Why?
Gang warily
Buster
... God will pardon me. It is His trade. - Heine
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|From: Graham Drummond
|To: Mark O'neill
|Sub: Re: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 01 Mar 97 13:36:53
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Mark wrote to All about the paradoxes involved in using Christians
as lightning conductors on church steeples:
MO> While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as
MO> lightning conductors on church steeples, Ken Young said this about
MO> READING INCOMPREHENSI
Why, you evil, wicked, malevolent, nefarious old crone! How dare
you steal my header! :)
Gang warily
Buster
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|From: Graham Drummond
|To: All
|Sub: Back
|Date: 01 Mar 97 13:37:03
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I just thought I'd let you all know that the most despised
ex-HOLYSMOKE writer this side of Palestine is back, for a while
at least.
Check six
Buster
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Mark.Kimes@f735.n102.z1.gryn.org
|Sub: "IS NOT"
|Date: 28 Feb 97 10:30:53
EID:1ec6 225c53c0
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On 20 Feb 97, Mark.Kimes@f735.n102.z1.gryn.org wrote:
M > From: Mark.Kimes@f735.n102.z1.gryn.org (Mark Kimes)
M > Newsgroups: trends.fido.holysmoke
M > Subject: "IS NOT"
M > Organization: GaiaNet BBS * 310-724-8965
M > JB>>>> Some of us have rafts....
M > RC>>> Yours appears rather overinflated; careful that it doesn't
M > burst.
M > HP>> (Pssst! Hey, Brawley! He's not actually talking about rafts.
M > Get HP>> it?)
JB> (Pssst! Hey Kimes! Who gives a shit?)
M > Why, you do, of course. That's why we're into our, what, fourth
M > message in the
M > thread? now, bait-boy. (And you still haven't scraped together the
M > guts to admit you were wrong. :-)
"I was wrong."
End thread now?
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: "IS NOT"
|Date: 28 Feb 97 10:34:07
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On 25 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> Where did you get the preposterous notion that Leibniz thought
RC> of infinitesimals as discrete rather than continuous?
JB> You mean, you got the Berlinski, read some, and _didn't_ read
JB> the pages that started the whole reason for arguing about the
JB> Berlinski?
RC> And exactly what pages would those be?
RC> They don't appear to exist.
pp. 110-111.
(Posts are crossing. I hand-typed some of the pertinent text.
Please see that message.)
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: death by whining
|Date: 28 Feb 97 10:35:32
EID:500e 225c5460
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On 25 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> So when you assert that if YOU are full of shit, it's only
RC> because somebody ELSE is full of shit (blaming Berlinski,
RC> for instance), what exactly is one seeing there in your
RC> text, John?
JB> When I clearly _got_ the mis-spell _from_ Berlinski,
RC> So you accept no responsibility at all for repeating the mistake?
_How would I have known it was a mistake_?
I didn't give the spelling a single thought until you pointed out the
misspelling. Before that, how could I 'repeat' a mistake I didn't know
WAS a mistake?
I have not "repeated" it since you corrected me, I checked the
Encyclopedia to see which was correct, and reported that you were
correct and Berlinski's "Leibnitz" was wrong. At least give credit
where it's due; you're beating a dead horse.
JB> and _you_ got the Berlinski and _confirm_ that spelling's
JB> in there,
RC> Certainly. You picked a poor text to serve as your "math bible"
RC> for your crackpot-style fundy foolishness. Another mistake.
I picked one described as a) for the layman, b) descriptive, c) simple,
d) without many _formulae_, and e) by someone who supposedly knew his
shit. I picked it also because the ad for it appeared in
_Science_News_, which I highly respect.
I had to start _somewhere_, and that seemed like a good place to start.
It still does. I understood more about "the calculus" by reading the
Berlinski than I got from any of the other half-dozen or so higher level
and formula-filled college texts I already had, all of which assumed
basic knowledge I didn't possess.
JB> if I wanted to speak with *&%__you__%&* ("o, wise and superior
JB> mathematical expert")),
RC> I daresay that compared to you, most first graders are "wise and
RC> superior mathematical experts," John.
(*sigh*) Never cease overstating cases, do you?
RC> Accepting responsibility for your mistakes, John, does not imply
RC> accepting sole responsibility. While it may be the case that
RC> ONE of your mistakes was indeed "solely" yours -- infinitesimals
RC> supposedly being considered as discrete by Leibniz -- surely
RC> you can at the very least accept SOME measure of responsibility
RC> for your own actions in disseminating mathematical misinformation!
RC> Or can you?
Sure! "I disseminate mathematical misinformation."
Now, can we cease slapping each other, terminate the thread, or go on to
greater things?
RC> Are you so afraid of taking responsibuility for your mistakes,
RC> no matter what their origins, that you must persist in denial
RC> day after day, week after week, month after month?
Obviously not, but I _will_ persist in claiming 'standard' math does not
have the formal concepts enabling me to justify the axiomatic
underpinnings of my "Tetrahedraverse" concept-structure. Some others
here have amply confirmed that, and since you've refused to counter with
anything definitively oppositional, I have no choice but to assume you
agree.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: responsibility
|Date: 28 Feb 97 10:50:07
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On 25 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> and you go out and find that yes, indeed, both "errors" are
JB> definitely in the book that I read,
RC> WRONG. You only _accuse_ Berlinski. There is no supporting evidence.
As noted elsewhere in this packet, a supporting message is on its way to
you. (pp. 110-111, meantime.)
JB> then what-the-hell do you _think_ was the case?
RC> I think you're still an arrogant, egotistical twit whose idiocy
RC> is equivalent to that of the most bible-bound fundy.
Think what you like. Fundies do; why should a "math Fundie" be any
different?
JB> I blamed Berlinski 'cause they were obviously Berlinski's
JB> mistakes. I surely didn't _create_ the mistakes out of thin
JB> air. Right? You DID read the Berlinski, didn't you?
RC> Of course you blame anyone but yourself, because you have no idea
RC> what it means to accept responsibility for your own mistake in
RC> mindlessly and gullibly repeating the mistakes of others. Moreover,
One is not guilty of "repeating" a _mistake_ unless one _knows_ it is a
mistake. The same is true of a Fundie-cretinist repeating ICR lies; he
is not a liar himself, he's just repeating what he _thinks_ (or
_believes_, in the case of a Fundie) is true. If you want to call him
a liar anyway, well, that's your business, but it's a cognitive
distortion--"mislabelling"--to do so.
RC> you appear to have created at least ONE mistake out of the thin air
RC> that separates your ears.
You didn't answer my second question. I've asked it now several times,
watching for the answer that'd lead me to believe _you_ know what you're
talking about. You've snuck around it each time, including this
time.
Did you READ the Berlinski book, or are you just talkin' through
your hat?
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: "IS NOT"
|Date: 28 Feb 97 10:58:07
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On 25 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> If you are actually going to make a real effort to educate yourself,
RC> John, let me know that you mean it and I'll provide exact citations.
RC> What town are you in? I can probably access your local library's
RC> electronic card catalog via the internet.
Don't bother. I do the same, and know how to fake it or 'talk my way
in' to the U. of Missouri and Washington U. libraries.
I have several subjects for that sort of heavy research, in order of
importance:
Quantum nonlocality (clarifications and improvements)
"Tetrahedraverse's" underpinnings (topology),
more on point-source pleochroic haloes in biotite, and now
(recent info, not from you), "triangulated" ('tetrahedronized')
spacetime manifolds.
None of them are currently in sufficient order to be efficiently hunted,
but late Spring/ early Summer should see some opportunity. I'd actually
rather pay a professor for a few hours' discussion, but my finances may
prohibit that.
But on our specific subject of discussion: I've already found that what
I need doesn't exist, so what's the point in beating a library to death
looking for what ain't there?
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: ...sat on a wall...
|Date: 28 Feb 97 11:09:00
EID:4043 225c5920
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> Wait a couple days: I just fought a new hard drive and I/O card
JB> to a standstill, and my IRQs, DMAs, and base addresses are (SN)AFU.
JB> It's Sunday, and I can't call the hardware people 'till tomorrow.
JB> I have too many adapter cards in this thing, and my scanner card
JB> is one of 'em. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to manually type several pages
JB> in, rather than scan and OCR 'em.)
RC> Too lazy to type page numbers, too?
Why not be complete? Besides, I had already given you the page numbers.
(By now, you should have seen the typed-in text. I gave up and typed,
since my scanner was still not working. Neither was my tape accelerator
card. Damn sound cards! Mine wants _three_ IRQs, three base addresses,
and two DMAs (8-bit, 16-bit, and MIDI), and the new I/O card ate at
least two base addesses I already had. Everything's working now, but I
dread adding a new video card or a graphics-to-NTSC video output
card.... I'm out of IRQs, and I still have three card slots open....)
RC> Regarding your "infinitesimals are magically discrete" claim, right?
Rgarding my claim that Berlinski's interpretation of Leibniz's thinking
processes indicated that Leibniz thought of infinitesimals as discrete
entities, not as little segments of continuity.
JB> The card conflicts, the new I/O card, the BIOS on the card and
JB> the computer's CMOS, and the 1.2GB new drive are all behaving
JB> with NO sense or consistency.
RC> A pre-Shenism?
"pre-Shenism?"
You'd a hadda been here. The thing'd do something different even when I
did nothing but turn the computer off in disgust and take a break, then
turn it back on. It was NOT conducive to trust. I, a former
electronics technician, DESPISE an "intermittent." Once it "goes away
by itself" I can't ever -trust- the machine as much as before.
JB> First time I ever saw a computer adapter card lying to itself.
JB> (*grin*)
RC> Perhaps it's a fundy.
Perhaps I don't trust it.
RC> Ask it if zero is a number.
RC> }:-)
It thinks so. In fact, it thinks zero is the _only_ OTHER 'number.'
But then, it's just a dumb machine with no philosophical bent.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: ignoring a demand
|Date: 28 Feb 97 11:29:37
EID:738e 225c5ba0
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> I don't dare write it in contexts where it's applicable,
JB> without being sure it's correct.
RC> Nothing to worry about overmuch. I would let you know. You would
Oh, _would_ you now? No shit? Really? (*chuckle*)
RC> even find it painless if you could somehow rein in your ego
RC> when contesting those who try to help you correct your mistakes.
There's a difference between an ignoramus maintaining an ignorant
position, and a man outta his field already having had years of
conversations from which he concludes that what he wants doesn't
actually exist...
JB> A side note, just for the record: my mind appears to work
JB> very well with visuals, not well with abstracts like
JB> math-on-the-page. I got straight 'A's in _geometry_, and
JB> my only 'F' in algebra.
RC> Then you should be grateful for the work of Descartes, who showed
RC> how the two could be unified; anything in geometry can be translated
RC> into algebraic terms, and (more suitably for you) _vice versa_.
I could transfer to another, but not myself use, algebraic means of
describing point actions in the network of vertex order 12. I visualize
quite accurately in a geometric sense, but there are no _numbers_ or
_formulae_ in the visuals; it's all pictures.
JB> I had gotten the Berlinski because I figured if I were gonna
JB> force my brain into channels it hates, I'd best begin with
JB> a "popularization"-type book, and I was _complying_ with advice
JB> that I improve my understanding, by doing so.
RC> So who was it that hated you enough to suggest Berlinski?
I guess it was me. (*grin*) I saw a blurb in _Science_News_, which I
trust, and bought it.
For me, despite Berlinski's literally awful and self-indulgent story-
telling techniques, his book was _just_ what I needed, to start. I'm
still not finished with it, since when he got into the "hard stuff" and
formulae began to appear more often, I read the text and avoided the
formulae. I have to go back and re-do some of it.
I was (and am) interested primarily in the _underpinnings_of_thought_,
the basic concepts that led to what the calculus is now, not in the
formal math techniques and methodologies that grew from those
fundamental concepts.
For example, I knew, early on in the book, where it reveals that
"infinitesimals" as discrete items were NOT going to be employed, but
rather that I was going to have to go back to hassling with "limits,"
that the book was going to spend most of its time in an area that was
not useful to me. It's much harder to pay attention when the professor
goes off in a direction that can't possibly explain or help with the
concept one enterted the class to find out about in the first place.
You have the same problem. You have not been dealing with what's
inmportant to me to find out about. Like Berlinski, you try to take me
places that do not address the core problem: justifying a geotopology
that starts from _scratch_ with slightly different precepts than those
of 'standard math.' IOW, you're not telling me what I need to know;
you're telling me what _you_think_ I need to know. _I_know_ what I need
to know, and it ain't what you've been telling me so far.
Tetrahedraverse _cannot_operate_ at its fundemental level as any kind of
_continuous_ object. It is _inherently_ discrete at the most
fundamental level. It does cross over, yes, but that's for later. ALL
I need is to find a way to describe T-verse's _origins_ in 'standard'
math terminology, and I only need _that_ to keep math types like you
from hollering "foul!"
JB> I'm sorry that you find this humorous....
RC> There are more serious things in the world than your monstrous
RC> ego, John, and I really don't think that there's much danger here,
RC> given your well-deserved reputation as someone who doesn't really
RC> know what he's talking about, of anyone being harmed irreparably
RC> by any mathematical misinformation you might spread.
No one operating mostly out of his expertise is likely to appear
knowledgeable. "Higher" math is just NOT my forte', nor my interest. I
just find I have no choice but to deal with the damn stuff, in order to
prevent math types from cancelling T-verse's validity _merely_ because I
talk with marbles in my mouth....
JB> Do you think, or not, that in the main (and aside from his
JB> hoirribly overflowered writing style), Berlinski can inform
JB> me, in a simple and basic way, about the underlayments of
JB> the calculus without MISleading me into further error?
RC> More importantly, can you manage not to mislead yourself?
Robert, if the thread I need to follow is there in 'standard' math TO
FOLLOW, I can avoid confusing myself. The issue isn't whether or not I
can understand correctly, it is whether or not what I'm trying to learn
is going to be _useful_ in the specific application I have to mess with.
When Berlinski got beyond the early mention of Leibiz sitting in his
redoubt and squeezing his fingers together, thinking about "the smallest
possible number greater than zero," and when he (Berlinski) led me to
think that he was going to _leave_ an examination of the concept of
infinitesimals and move into the way the calculus gets around it
("limits") without dealing with it directly, I knew he was going off in
a direction not helpful to me. The math I need is a _discrete_ math,
and one that 'naturally' sits in/on a network of vertex order twelve.
IF you think that whatever you have to offer will stay _on_that_path_,
then I'll happily follow your arguments. BUT, if what you're going to
do is require me to learn what _you_ think I need to learn, I'm going to
SEE that you're leading me away from the core issue (just as I saw the
point where Berlinski departed from 'infinitesimals'), and I'll object.
You'll call me names and proclaim my ignorance, and I'll stop bothering.
I can manage not to mislead myself. Can you manage not to confuse "me
misleading myself" with me simply objecting to where the leading is
apparently _going_?
RC> From what I've seen of you over the years -- and I do note anything
RC> touching upon the subject of math that passes my way -- you are
RC> in far more danger from your own crackpotish tendencies than from
RC> even the worst introductory materials. Nothing, no matter how
RC> poorly or how well explained, can positively affect the mind of
RC> a man who has determined in advance the dogma he will believe in.
RC> You appear to be more interested in your pet dogmas than in really
RC> learning about math. Have I misjudged you?
Yes and no. Yes, you have confused a man with a clear, but not very
simple geo-topological entity that he has created from nothing, which
has _specific_ axioms, and which needs to find a correspondence with
'standard math language,' with a man simply refusing to learn what
someone else thinks he should learn; and no, since I have no desire to
learn math for no other reason than to learn math.
(I have no interest in math in general --'math for math's sake'; it does
not excite me like mineralogy, theology, music, and some other things
do. I DO have intense interest in whatever in math can be used to
_describe_ Tetrahedraverse without provoking the sort of commentaries on
my ignorance that this discussion has led you to provide. I seek 'the
proper forms of speech' that seem to be required of me, in order to
speak to the Priesthood.
I think that math can represent reality with astonishing purity.
I do not think that math _IS_ reality.
I cannot, with that stance, 'place DesCarte before the horse.'
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: John-boy's bijection
|Date: 28 Feb 97 12:14:26
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> a short quote from _Intuitive_Concepts_in_Elementary_Topology_,
JB> by B.H. Arnold:
JB> [p 23]
JB> "In geometry, the movements we are allowed are the rigid motions
JB> (translations, rotations, reflections), . . ." "In topology
JB> [however], the movements we are allowed might be called the
JB> elastic motions."
JB> "However, we must be careful that distinct points in a figure
JB> remain distinct; we are not allowed to force two [p. 24]
JB> different points to coalesce into just one point."
JB> So, I suggest the idea of noncoalescence is clear, in topology.
RC> The idea is that you are not to map two different points onto the
RC> same point. Technically, a topological transformation is bijective.
I agree (I have no idea what "bijective" means). Are you saying, then,
that the above quote refers only to mapping one topological object onto
another, separate, topological object, and NOT necessarily to the points
in the _same_ object? That is, should I interpret it to mean that
points in the same object _can_ coalesce?
Can that be squared with the idea that if they CAN coalesce in any
single object, that object can then be transformed into ANY other object
simply by coalescing ALL the points to one, and then reconstructing
whatever the object wanted is, by UNcoalescing them in whatever order
and direction we care to?
It _seems_, from the quote itself, that he means points in the _same_
object cannot be coalesced (as well, I suppose, as points in two
different objects), since he says "distinct points in __A__ figure..."
[emphasis mine -jb].
Your opinion?
(I note for the record that while T-verse required noncoalescence, and
its 'origin sequence' allowed of nothing less, the above quote was
another one of those made _necessary_ for me to find (long _after_ my
concept had settled in me), in order to shut down the objectors, who,
like you, spent much time and effort impugning my "math knowledge.")
JB> From that, we suggest the concept of closeness. If we are
JB> not allowed to _coalesce_ them, but are allowed to move
JB> them around, then the idea of a minimum closeness before
JB> coalescence is trivially obvious.
RC> Nonsense, John. You may get as close as you like, provided the
RC> distance is greater than ZERO.
I don't see where that's different in principle from what I just said?
How can two equivalent statements devolve to only one of them being
"nonsense?"
(Oh... I reread what I wrote. Sorry. You took my phrase "minimum
closeness" to mean "minimally close," the same as "maximally distant?"
That right? If so, I'm sorry. Again, my horribly imprecise phrasing
gets in the way. The picture was right; the words I used messed it up.
My apologies if that's the case. I _meant_ "the idea of minimum
distance [maximum closeness] before coalescence is trivially obvious."
Is that better?
So, what is the difference between "a minimum closeness before
coalescence" (meaing minimal distance between) and "as close as you
like, provided the distance is greater than ZERO?"
That maximum closeness which is short of coalescence, IS a distance
greater than zero, is it not? (Zero distance IS coalescence.)
NOW can we agree, and agree from a topology _text_ instead of my poor
phrasing?
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: John-boy's standard
|Date: 28 Feb 97 12:32:37
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> I hope I have made it clear that it seems to me "standard math"
RC> Perhaps it would help for you to identify just what you are thinking
RC> when you use the phrase "standard math."
That which proceeds from axioms of Euclid, and/or Peano, and which seems
to be what my detractors are arguing from when claiming I can't start
Tetrahedraverse with a single default point, and can't refer to a
"sphere" unless I have a prior metric, and can't -create- a metric from
nothing by means of the above. A huge mathematical Catch-22, in other
words. That which arises from Euclid's circular definitions of
"line"and "point." That math which has been claimed by some over the
years to disallow my specific topological object, solely by means of
these circular axioms and extensions therefrom.
That math which some claim possesses, but which does not in actuality
appear to possess, refutatory arguments against forming this object of
mine from nothing.
That math which took a slightly different direction after Euclid, than
the direction this object seems to take.
That math which some think _precedes_, but imho _follows_from_, super-
fundamental geometric axioms.
(That math which seems to suggest that labels --"numbers"-- precede
objects; that math which seems to claim that the concept "one" precedes
-- is more fundamental than-- the concept "point.")
That math which uses a complex thing as if it were a primary one ("the
empty set").
Lastly, and perhaps most inclusively, that math which limits itself to
the preceptive condition "continuous," rather than discrete.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: John-boy's x=1
|Date: 28 Feb 97 12:53:30
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
JB> Modified: That (separation), less than which, two (x = particles
JB> with the properties of dimensionless points) coalesce and become
JB> one (x).
RC> Two points are one when they are in the same location, John, as
RC> Hector (and perhaps others) already pointed out to you.
As nobody has ever _needed_ to point out to me; as few have been able to
talk about without also implying a background space, since a "location"
is an utterly meaningless concept _without_ a 'space' of some sort to be
a "location" _in_.
RC> Thus, you are asking for a smallest positive number.
No, sir, I am not asking for a "number" AT ALL. This is about _points_,
which are not only "locations" (if in a background), but also 'things-
in-themselves' (if NOT in a background), and which do not carry around
little label-tags with _numbers_ on them, and do not create little
label-tags with numbers on them _between_ them.
(*Sheesh. Can you not imagine a 'thing' without having to stick a damn
_number_ on it?*)
RC> I suggest you stick with the simplest answer, using the integers.
RC> With that restriction to a discrete set, the answer is exactly one.
I long since simply called a point a "one," ("one point") and called
"(dmin)" (that distance less than which two points become one point), a
unit --a "distance of 'one' unit." But it's _arbitrary_. I need a way
to speak of the primary underlying concept, that _justifies_ me doing
that.
Distances less than this are impossible, hence there are no fractions of
(dmin) possible, so this is a _discrete_ entity--"one indivisible unit
of distance." However, distances greater than (dmin) _are_ possible
(trivially obvious), so fractions can be used within a range from (dmin)
to 2*(dmin) (at which distance something too complicated to word takes
place in the compressed spherical network of vertex order twelve).
We (Roger and I, and some others) have no problem _working_with_ this
object. The problem is more fundamental than simply saying "It's THUS!"
(axiomatically). Anybody can do that. All 'standard' math proceeds
from someone hollering "It's THUS," and just going on with what he wants
to do with his "THUS!"
I don't want to do that. It divorces the construct's obviousness from
fundamental philosophical reality --divorces the axioms of the construct
from the claim that it must be _inevitable_ from "nothing," that no
other construct is logically possible.
"Precept must be upon precept." Hollering "THUS!" speaks not a word of
predecessory precept, and that's going to get me nowhere.
We (I) simply desire an acceptable, unarguable, 'mathematically'
nonobjectionable way to say or to write "that (minimum) distance less
than which two points coalesce."
JB> If I am forced to neologisms
RC> You are not forced to coin those hideous creations, John.
You weren't there. It sure came down like that. It was either create a
neologism or waste hour after hour arguing about whether or not my
"point" and the mathematician's/geometer's 'point' were equivalent
enough to let me use the word in text. I just capitulated, and wound up
angering them even more when my neologism "piont" turned out not to be
neologistic ENOUGH. (*grin*)
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 13:17:19
EID:528c 225c6a20
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On 26 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RS> [-3][-2][-1][0][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5][+6][+7]
RS> 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
JB> You have to start counting by 'stepping forward' OFF of the
JB> first number in the equation. Not that that's a problem, of
JB> course, but it _is_ 'counter'intuitive.
RC> In my experience playing math games with dozens of children, none
RC> have ever had any trouble with this very intuitive notion, John.
RC> Think of the number blocks being drawn on a sidewalk in chalk,
RC> with kids standing in any integer's box, then counting their steps
RC> to any other box. It works every time.
(You're talking about hopscotch? I don't have a picture of how that
works; too long since.)
JB> We don't count marbles
RC> You've lost your marbles. Count the STEPS.
Give when it's proper to. We do NOT count _things_ in a pile by taking
the first one in our hands, like standing on the first block, and
ignoring it, to count only the _second_ one as "one."
Our argument is about an apparently imperfectly-crossable boundary
between continuous and discrete.
| | | | |
| | | | |
|[ #-1 unit]|[ #1 unit ]|[ #2 unit ]|[ #3 unit ]|
-1 0 1 2 3
| | | | |
There is no "zero [block]"; there _is_ a "'number' zero."
There is no "year zero"; there _is_ a "dividing line at zero."
There is no "infinitesimal called the 'zero inifinitesimal'."
There _is_ a dividing line between the infinitesimal on the left of
zero, and the one on the right, on _either_ the block line OR the
"number line." There is never a "zero _thing_." There is only a
dimensionless zero dividing line between one thing and another thing.
Perhaps that's the crossover concept, and the usefulness of
"infinitesimals": an infinitesimal is as close as it's possible to get,
TO the number line FROM the [blocks] (inifinitesimals) line or vice
versa.
This (above) will be my last position; I can't go any further toward
your way of thinking without bastardizing the 'truth.'
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 13:39:23
EID:fff3 225c6ce0
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On 26 Feb 97, Dan Ceppa wrote:
DC> JB>(*sigh*) "Do not go to the elves with questions, for they will say
DC> both JB>'no' and 'yes.'"
LA> Is 'elves' an alternative name for evolutionist then?
DC> There you go, John, you've collected your first groupie.
JB> yyAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!
JB> (Run away! Run away!)
DC> As much as I do hate to repeat myself:
DC> Think about it, John.
That doesn't require much thought. The comparison is appletons and
oranges. Math is supposedly rigorous, as it's often said that "proof"
is available only therein, or in formal logic. Appleton and his ilk are
in areas without any such rigor at all. (*grin*)
However, in a generic sense, it's as illogical to DISbelieve (in a "God"
or gods) as it is to Believe. Neither position can be proven or
disproven, and either agnosticism or atheism (as distinct from
antitheism) is the only logically defensible stance.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 13:44:47
EID:fff3 225c6d80
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On 26 Feb 97, Dan Ceppa wrote:
JB> Laurie, blow it out your lying,
JB> Bible-Fundie, Sophist-Creationistic ASS.
JB> You are a liar, a science-hating fact-distorter, and a partial
JB> abomination in the Sight of God.
DC> Close, John. Laurie is a complete abomination to anyone
DC> with the capacity to think. He counts on those that are
DC> indoctrinated into his cult to support him.
That (my) message, written on a day quite separate from the one on which
you pointed out my new "groupie," ought to make quite clear my response
to your message to me.... "Run Away! Run Away!" (*grin*)
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 13:48:20
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On 26 Feb 97, Dan Ceppa wrote:
JB> Freeman Dyson has a book: _Infinite_in_ALL_Directions_
JB> [emphasis mine --jb]. It's not much about math, tho'.
DC> Not having read the book, I can't comment on what he wrote.
'S a good one.... Dyson's trustworthy.
DC> suspect that there are an infinite number of "smallest
DC> non-zero numbers" depending on how the number sets are
DC> Think about it.
JB> I have, and still do. What it boils down to is the (scientifically)
JB> unresolved question, "is reality discrete, continuous, or some as-yet
JB> unrevealed combination of both?" (And its unspoken corollary, "will
JB> _science_ ever be able to tell which?")
DC> Only the data will tell. However, the data of the infinitely
DC> large and infinitely small depend on mathematics to formulate
DC> a model to explain the reality of what is observed.
Indeed. And if someone comes up with a possibly explanatory
visualization that seems to require concepts that don't exist in the
standard math we have, he is out of the loop by _default_?
(Not just me; _anybody_.)
JB> (IOW, I'm uninterested in what "math" does with these ideas; I am only
JB> interested in what "reality" --"that which is"-- does with them.)
DC> Unfortunately, you have no choice. You cannot encompass the
DC> universe on a space voyage and see where you end up. Neither
DC> can you hold a single atom, let alone a quark in your hand and
DC> study it.
(Well, I just read that in 1979 someone saw a single atom with the naked
eye, and that the effect has been improved since. (Actually, saw the
flood of re-emitted photons --10^8/second-- from a barium atom sitting
cooled in a laser beam of the proper energy to excite it.))
My sole math _interest_ these days is getting ways to either describe
(without provoking outcries of "foul! heresy!" from the mathematical
Priesthood) or to computer-model and/or assist a computer model, of that
compressed spherical network of vertex order twelve I've been on about
for some years now.
I give a worse impression of my understanding and my opinion of it than
is actually the case. Perhaps unfortunately.
DC> You can only go where you can describe with the mathematics
DC> that you abhor.
I don't abhor the stuff itself; I abhor the strictures it puts on my
"artist's" mind, and it makes molasses out of my reading speed.
(*grin*)
I have a great respect for math, actually; it just doesn't inspire me
like it does some people. Also, I know you can do things with math that
bear NO resemblance to reality, and can mislead the innumerate horribly,
so I don't _trust_ it either, except where I can grasp it, and relate it
to something real or potentially real (not obviously unreal).
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:02:04
EID:fff3 225c7040
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On 27 Feb 97, Dan Ceppa wrote:
-> On 23 Feb 97 11:03:17, John Brawley got back to Richard Smith
RS> JB> 6 - 8 = -2
JB> [-3][-2][-1][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5][+6][+7]
JB> 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
RS> DC> Try using your 'logic' with 6 - 6, John. The answer,
RS> DC> according to what you typed above, is [+1]
JB> (*) Dan's got me so far, on this one, even though with marbles, his
DC> I didn't "get" you. John. I showed you were you went
DC> seriously wrong.
(*grin*) I await your response to my escape....
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|From: John Brawley
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Secure digital conferencing and private mailing list for jus
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:10:57
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On 26 Feb 97, David Worrell wrote:
DW> 24 Feb 97 13:17, John Brawley wrote to David Worrell:
DW> DW>> Brawley's the loaded one here... ask him for the money.
JB> Where'd you get that idea? I ain't "loaded"; I'm just barely able to
JB> avoid working, is all.
DW> Ah... another welfare recipient. I figured as much.
(*chuckle*) That's my ex-wife's problem, not mine.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Joe Seatter
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:12:01
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On 26 Feb 97, Joe Seatter wrote:
DC> JB>(*sigh*) "Do not go to the elves with questions, for they will say
DC> both JB>'no' and 'yes.'"
LA> Is 'elves' an alternative name for evolutionist then?
DC> There you go, John, you've collected your first groupie.
JB> yyAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!
JB> (Run away! Run away!)
JS> jeez... even the creationists are scared of appleton...
You calling _me_ a _creationist_??
Put up yer dukes, sir.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: Joe Seatter
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:13:40
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On 26 Feb 97, Joe Seatter wrote:
JS> Quoting John Brawley to Richard Smith
JB> (Oh what the hell: here:
JB> 6 - 6 = 0
JB> (We'll have to do this in stages. "You," the 'counter', are the "*".)
JB> Start ON six: *
JB> [-2][-1][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5][+6]
JB> Take away the first one:
JB> [-2][-1][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5] *
JB> Take away 2, 3, 4, and 5:
JB> [-2][-1][+1] *
JB> 5 4 3 2 1
JB> Take away the sixth and last one:
JB> [-2][-1] *
JB> 6 5 4 3 2 1
JB> Now, are you standing ON the [-1] block? No.....
JB> So what are you standing ON? (Nothing. "Zero.")
JB> (*cackle!*))
JB> Have a happy! Think I'll copy that to Dan.
JS> you're just digging yourself deeping into a hole... by that logic, 6-5
JS> is 1 1/2... why don't you just admit that you fucked up, and that the
JS> other people are right?
Don't be so graphically literal. Blocks don't have 'halves.'
I don't admit they're right because they ain't.
This whole argument mixes continuous and discrete. Blocks are on the
discrete side, "zero" is on the continuous (number line) side.
You have to be able to separate my arguments, which are about discrete
entities, from theirs, which are about continuousness. There is no
"zero block" in the discrete.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: complaints
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:37:22
EID:717c 225c74a0
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On 24 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> with: John Brawley
JB> Define "point."
CH> A non-dimensional marker designating a location in space.
JB> Define "line."
CH> The set of all points inside a plane equidistant from two
CH> fixed reference points.
JB> See if you can define either one without reference to the
JB> other.
CH> You can't.
RC> Yet you just DID (define "point" without any reference to "line").
RC> It is inevitable given any space with a dimension less than one.
RC> Odds are that our resident quantum religious nutball won't notice.
I noticed that while he didn't use the word "line," he did make
reference to a space, made necessary by his use of the word "location."
In neither case did he reference "line." In both cases he referenced
something else to define "point." Still circular.
JB> Find your definitional effort in a 'standard math' text.
JB> When you can't, tell me _why_.
CH> The definitions of "Point", "Line", and "Plane" (some would
CH> include "Space") fall into the set of base axioms for
CH> geometry. That is, you _can't_ define them non-circularly.
RC> In the context of three dimensional euclidean geometry that is
RC> true enough. However, and this is the part that John refuses
RC> to learn about (and which you overlooked yourself), the terms
RC> are also used in more general mathematical contexts, where such
RC> independent definitions are not only possible, but sometimes
RC> even *necessary*.
RC> Most generally, a "point" can be defined as an element of any set.
"Point" referenced to "set?"
Keep trying. Find me _one_ noncircular definition of "point," and I'll
start paying more attention to you. You -are- the first I've seen
(besides me) even _claiming_ it can be done, and the first anywhere
claiming such has _already_ been done.
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:41:41
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On 24 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> with: John Brawley
CH> There is no "smallest distance" in continuous mathematics.
RC> Zero. :-)
Wrong. Zero would be an _absence_of_ any distance. Two points
described so would BE coalesced.
CH> Now, if you want to take your argument to discrete maths,
CH> then the smallest distance between two points is whatever
CH> scale you care to define it.
RC> He really does appear to be groping for a discrete metric, which
"Groping for?" I've had one for a Loooong time, Robert, provided I can
get someone to agree that what I have _does_ qualify as a "metric."
RC> (wait 'till you hear this) he believes can be arrived at simply
RC> by using _infinitesimals_ as if they were somehow magically discrete!
Correct, but not as "numbers," as "real" _points_.
RC> Why, he even claimed that Leibniz intuitively used infinitesimals
RC> as discrete, rather than continuous or variable entities; and he
RC> blames his nonsense on David Berlinski's "A Tour of the Calculus."
Which by now you should have received as typed-in text.
CH> Since the points to which you're referring must exist within
CH> a given n-space
RC> Better not to assume such things, since there are other possibilities.
...Which I'd like to hear about....
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|From: John Brawley
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: complaints
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:45:43
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On 25 Feb 97, ROBERT CURRY wrote:
RC> in favor of shutting up until you've learned some of the basics,
RC> first, could we? It just wouldn't be you, John.
JB> Nor would it be "American."
RC> So you're presenting Americans as a bunch of ignorant bozos who take
RC> egotistical pride in their loud-mouthed ability to spout off stupid
RC> shit on subjects they know nothing about. Does this make your behavior
RC> any wiser, simply because you imagine it's somehow "American?"
I think I'll leave that stand as written.... (*chuckle*)
JB> We conflict because a) we're both egotistical in our ways,
RC> So at least now you are finally accepting that you are egotistical,
RC> instead of continuing to deny it. Congratulations on your progress.
Qualifier existed....
JB> and b) we're discussing things in which your formal expertise
JB> supersedes mine.
RC> It's already been demonstrated that a high school dropout's ability
RC> and willingness to THINK on this matter supercedes yours.
Interesting, but false, observation. You have too great a tendency to
indulge in overgeneralization, all-or-nothing thinking, labelling and
mislabelling, and "mind reading" for me to trust your judgment....
JB> I, too, have provided my sources, at least one of which you
JB> _said_ you would check out.
JB> Have you? I have seen not a whisper yet that you have.
RC> You responded to my messages dealing with it in this very packet.
Fido's transmission timing is as awful as ever, I see.
RC> You may consider yourself dismissed.
JB> Thank you.
RC> "Thank you, Mr. Curry, SIR." :-)
Fat chance....
"Sir" me, and perhaps I'll return the favor. :-)
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Alternative A
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:17:46
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Salue, Don!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit Don Martin ad Lynda Bustilloz:
LB>> Yea, Laurie's a REAL lady....
DM> I was taught that ladies don't tell lies. If Laurie were
DM> half the woman his mother was, he wouldn't either.
If we're talking about Laurie Appleton, Laurie is biologically male. Another
Laurie, by the name of Johnson, became popular during the 60s for -his-
work on the musical scores to a certain ABC TV show called "The Avengers."
:)
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: In the news
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:18:58
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Salue, Don!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit Don Martin ad Steve Quarrella:
DW>>>> Trinity Broadcasting Network has just canceled Pat Boone's gospel
Boone says in the notes of his album that he's got material for another
couple of metal tribute albums. I think that the novelty will wear off
if he doesn't get them out quickly, but I have to admit that I'm rather
bemused to see him go back to an audience that he addressed forty years
ago and probably didn't understand it. :)
DM> I would sign up for cable if they had some way of
DM> limiting the channels I receive (as they do with HBO and the
DM> like). I would accept all sorts of religious propaganda
DM> channels if each would subsidize my cable bill by a buck or
DM> so per month.
I like the idea of "cable vouchers" myself, so I can watch only the programming
that I find acceptable in my house. And do the religious programs receive
ratings? :)
SQ>> My brother-in-law got married a few months ago, and he and his bride
SQ>> were pretty upset when a few of my other brothers-in-law wanted him
to
SQ>> put a garter on her leg and pull it off (I had to explain that SHE
SQ>> puts on the garter...). To this day, we're wondering whether they
SQ>> consummated the marriage. And here, Suzy and I were going to buy her
SQ>> a leather teddy.
DM> What would newlyweds want with a toy bear?
They weren't THAT naive. FORTUNATELY. :)
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Goofiness.
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:33:36
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Salue, Sue!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit Sue Armstrong ad All:
SA> Just saw on the AANews mailing list where some Republican yahoo
SA> (Thomas Colson R-Oklahoma) admonished NBC for showing, unedited,
SA> "Schindler's List". Got his panties all in a knot over
SA> "full-frontal nudity, violence, and profanity".
Oh, boy, I was just jerking off all over myself to see all those naked bodies
on the screen. Where's my trenchcoat?
SA> Full-frontal nudity? Yeah, there's some, but it ain't like it's
SA> portrayed as a gratuitous sex-romp. Far from it. Violence? What
SA> does one _expect_ in a film about the Holocaust?
I wonder if a similar complaint might be made about the violence in "Ben
Hur" or "The Ten Commandments." Hey, Moses KILLED those poor Egyptians
when he parted the Red Sea! :-/ If this guy's so offended by nudity, violence,
and profanity in a movie about the Holocaust, he should have turned off
his TV and started work on some legislation to ensure that such an act never
occurs again.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Shoot out in North Hollywood
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:39:42
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Salue, Fredric!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit Fredric Rice ad All:
FR> As you've probably all seen we had quite a shoot out here in
FR> this area -- yesterday I was having lunch at a "Baja Fresh"
FR> about two miles from where the shooting began and thought
FR> about going back today.
Hmm...we could almost have a sick contest about who's been closest to the
biggest act of lunacy. :-/ Darlie Routier killed "at least one of her kids"
just two minutes from here.
FR> What's interesting is the speculation the authorities are leaking
FR> out already about the shooters.
I would expect more gun legislation to follow. THAT'LL STOP 'EM! It certainly
stopped the guy in the Humperdink's restaurant here last year. Martin Goldberg,
remember that one? The guy pulled his gun out of his car so he could shoot
his ex-girlfriend and the restaurant's manager, but when he noticed the
"No guns" sign on the restaurant's door, he put it back into the car, went
back inside, and resolved his differences amicably.
FR> As the organizational backgrounds and training backgrounds of the
FR> two dead "suspects" becomes known, anyone want to place a gentelman's
FR> wager that we'll all learn that the most violent bank robbery in
FR> California's history was instigated at the behest of a right-wing
FR> extremist group?
Wait until the facts come out. :)
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Confirm supplication
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:45:58
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Salue, Dan!
Saturni dies March 01 1997, Dixit Dan Ceppa ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ>> Are you serious? My father has long lamented that I didn't
SQ>> go through that. At that age, I probably would have kicked the bishop
SQ>> in the nuts.
DC> Absolutely. The slap in the face is most definitely part
DC> of the right. And, if you have read Joseph Campbell, it's
DC> just another 'right of passage'.
Hmmm...I'm going to have to work in "writing your name in the snow" to my
rites. :)
DC> Perhaps, but it is still meant as a means of degrading the
DC> recipient of the sacrament. It's designed to show that the
DC> Church holds authority over that person and is willing to
DC> forcibly use that power over them.
The slap wears off, but with the Mormons, they're wearing those temple garments
24/7. I think the Mormons get the points on this one, although I'll give
the Catholics points for creativity.
Hey, Fundies! I'm playing a CD from that black, homosexual, rock and roller,
Little Richard! Go write your congressman and have him or her pass a law
against it!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:48:04
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Salue, Quentin!
Jovis dies February 27 1997, Dixit Quentin Fai ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ>> Nor are automobiles, home loans, telephones, or Corn Flakes.
SQ>> Off they go!
QF> Or credit cards. Or television sets. Or stupid videos on "the truth
about
QF> halloween". Or 1-800-YOU-PRAY numbers.
How hateful! That's different, er, somehow. :-/ Who was the last Fundy
we had through here, pissing and moaning about he was going to boycott IBM?
I said to Fred Rice that the guy would have to go a LONG way to boycott
IBM, given that a LOT of their shit is used in the technology that the Fundy
takes for granted. Yes, Mr. Fundy, they use SNA to move your credit card
information from mainframe to mainframe. Have a nice day.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: JCJ
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:49:40
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Salue, ROBERT!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit ROBERT CURRY ad STEVE QUARRELLA:
SQ>> Even HOLYSMOKE had a Golden Age. I miss Jesse Jones quite a bit,
SQ>> but he'll come back before Jesus does. :)
RC> When he was here, he thought that he WAS Jesus.
I want to touch the wounds when he comes back!
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: READING INCOMPREHENSI [1]
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:50:28
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Salue, Martin!
Veneris dies February 28 1997, Dixit Martin Goldberg ad Steve Quarrella:
MG> Basically, they stuck sheep DNA into a another egg to create the all
time
MG> chimera. I'm sorry to say that I am not up on all of it as yet. I
MG> haven't made my way to the library to find the issue of Nature this
was
MG> in.
Let me know which issue that is when you get it. I think I can bring myself
back up to speed on my high school biology to at least follow the basics.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: bozos, bozos everywhere
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:52:12
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Salue, Judith!
Saturni dies March 01 1997, Dixit Judith Bandsma ad Steve Quarrella:
DW>> let go of them. P&G will probably *always* be plagued by this shit.
SQ>> Didn't they sue someone last year over this shit?
JB> Yeah, several of the higher ups from AMWAY.
Aha, just so. What I want to see is a lawsuit against some kind of Fundamentalist
organization. An ugly one. A buck says that said organization will retaliate
with Christian violence.
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:53:24
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Salue, Richard!
Jovis dies February 27 1997, Dixit Richard Smith ad Steve Quarrella:
SQ>> Dian Fossey is of course no longer with us, but what
SQ>> happened to the woman that Louis Leakey sent out to study
SQ>> the orangutans? Galdikas? Was that her name?
RS> Maybe her name was Goldilocks, and she was sent out to study
RS> bears?
We have a Manx cat here who looks a LOT like a bear, so we call her "Bear."
Anyways, she doesn't like any of the other cats, and she's rather territorial
when it comes to our bed. One of the other "children" hopped up on the
bed the other night to sit with me, prompting the Manx to REALLY go after
her. This prompted ME to go dig out my book on bear attacks. You couldn't
PAY me to go out and study bears, as I like my scalp on my head!
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Circularity in the form of synchronicity
|Date: 01 Mar 97 07:58:15
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Martin, what did this clown say?
All I saw was "god is there and I know it, and if you can't
see it, it's because god doesn't want you to know it."
Or, am I missing something.
Self-proclaimed "prophets" are a bore.
Marilyn
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Forwarded here by Marilyn Burge (1:105/302.666)
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Area: HOLYSMOKE
Date: 25 Feb 97 18:32:18 Public
From: Bryson Hughes
To: Martin Goldberg
Subject: asaity
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-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Bryson Hughes <=-
BH> Your quote is well taken Douglas. This was God's way of telling
BH> the Jewish man Peter, to go and minister salvation to certain
MG> But you forgot that before god could tell him anything, the god had
to
MG> exist.
Ok we can talk about the existance of God if you like.
MG> Do you have any evidence that a god exists? Any at all?
Being a prophet, and having forsaken that question in lue of certain
knowledge. I usually assume the existance of God to those who profess
faith in his existance.
However, in a case of the honest skeptic, I doubt that I could produce the
evidence of what I know. There would be a couple of reasons. One would be
my own limited ability to convey abstract ideas in a compressed space
of time; the other due to the uninitiated or unprepared state that
my skeptic friend would be in, to absorb the full impact of what I
show to him.
However I could tell you what to watch for if you were so inclined.
You could watch for the concise fulfillment of prophecies. This is
a form of synchronicity which is evidence of an unseen factor. Therefore
if one is serendipitous enough to grasp the ramification of prophecy
becoming a historical fact, then he may even conclude that the synchronicty
is the evidence of an intelligence at work.
The next question would be what form the intelligence at work does exist.
It could exist as the sum expression of conspirators forcing a set of events.
It may exist as an individual who is somehow manipulating events on his
own.
It may exist as the mere acumen of the prophet to see cause/effect
relationships and understand and predict an outcome.
But there also must be understood, that those explanations cannot necessarily
account for the scale of certain things which exceed all human influence,
yet
coming to pass as written or spoken. This form of synchronicty, or fulfilled
prophecy would reveal to the honest skeptic, a form of super intelligence
operating outside the ability of mankind's influence.
A good example of super scale would be to look at the prophecies of the
future of Israel and the Jews, then for that initiated skeptic to compare
predictions to the actual history which unfolded during the era spoken of.
However, an enlightened guide or teacher would greatly expedite that process.
Another problem is the willful sublimity of the super-intelligence, who
would
purposefully hide himself from those he rejects. So I might show one man
secret matters, and he grasp it. But another man, due to the psychodynamic
effect of spirit to inhibit his understanding, it would be lost upon him.
Indeed the prophecies state that certain people will not be granted some
realizations concerning the fulfillment of prophecies; especially concerning
Israel.
But synchronicties need not be on such a grand scale. Often with those who
watch for God, the events unfold as a thematic pattern to which they begin
to yield to the realization that something or somebody is trying to say
something to them. The pitfall though, is the active imagination of the
outright superstitous, to see meaning in things which mean not as they
imagine. But I would suggest that synchronicities are a useful means
through which to percieve unseen intelligences at work, no matter what
they are.
This is alot of the basis for scripture, in which the testimonies of the
Jews, the Nation and the saints, was of seeing meaning in the unfolding
of
events: That is they saw the influences of God and wrote what they
percieved. An intelligent man need not have the gift of vatic inspiration
to see the evidence of unseen things, even the workings of God. He would
just need enough initiative and insight to watch effectively for the
influences of the sublime, and account for those which are not God and
in turn realize which ones are God.
Shalom Martin
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Blavatsky?
|Date: 27 Feb 97 16:17:14
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Dear Norman Solomon,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
AG>> The vision is for one man, but the fact is there are two. The
AG>> "original sin" was adultery between Eve and the Serpent, a man-like
AG>> creature before God changed every bone in his body. Cain is nowhere
AG>> in the genealogy of the human race. Neither are his descendants to
AG>> this day.
NS> May I commend to you a scripture "Do not go beyond that which is
NS> written" Which version of the bible are you using, to get it this
NS> wrong?
The King James version and this teaching is from Genesis to Revelation.
With a name like 'Solomon' you might also know it is in the Talmud.
AG>> If you read Genesis 6 you will discover God destroyed the world with
AG>> the Flood because of miscegenation between the seed of Adam and the
AG>> seed of the Serpent. Jesus said this would repeat in this day.
NS> Pardon, I think you mean the seed of the woman. Where are you getting
NS> the seed of Adam from? And the seed of the serpent?
Eve had two seeds - the seed of the Serpent which produced Cain and his
offspring, and the Seed of Adam which produced those who are on the Book
of Life. Cain was not Adam's son. Miscegenation so grieved God (because
it produced death and not life, not being on the Book of Life, i.e., not
Adam's kin), and He destroyed the world with a Flood.
Jesus said this same evil - miscengenatio between the kin of Adam and of
Cain would repeat in this day. And it is.
AG>> Australia and the USA are at the forefront of those encouraging it.
MON>> racial purity,
No, racial prostitution. God's prophet called America "the prostitute of
the nations". Australia is following a close second.
NS> I don't think so......By the way what "race" are you?
Japheth and Caucasian.
AG>> (3:711/933)
NS> ^-+--+--+--->Does this indicate Australia? (anyone)
Australia is in Zone 3:
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: Convention on the Rights
|Date: 27 Feb 97 16:31:19
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Dear Mark Kimes,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
AG>> This is based on a pamphlet
MK> Small surprise. :-)
Is there something strange or unusual in basing something of a previous
publication? I should have thought this to be orthodoxy.
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Convention on the Rights of the Child
|Date: 27 Feb 97 17:16:59
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Dear Fredric Rice,
Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
>> The Convention on the Rights of the Child - 1/2
FR> Are you a member of NAMBLA?
Never heard of it. Is NAMBLA one of your anti-Semitic connections?
FR> I know you're a hate-filled racist
No, it is yourself who is filled with hatred for the very people to whom
you owe everything you have or ever will have. You ought perhaps to find
some vocabulary. You do yourself great disservice.
Kind regards,
Anthony Grigor-Scott
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Harry Truman.
|Date: 02 Mar 97 07:32:42
EID:7717 22623c00
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 8988f056
Hi Jan,
(Re: yours of 25-Feb-1997, ""Plaisible"`Appletoon claims.")
JD> 21 Feb 97 Laurie Appleton wrote to John Brawley...
LA> "Paleontologist (and evolutionary biologists in
LA> general) are famous for their facility in devising plausible
LA> stories; but they often forget that plausible stories need
LA> not be true."
JD> GUFFAW!
JD> Speaking of "plausible" stories, tell us again, Laurie,
JD> of your stroll around Mt. St. Helens with "former President
JD> Harry Truman" a decade AFTER Truman died!!!!
JD> GUFFAW!! ROTFL!!!
How can I tell you about such a thing since I would
necessarily be dead too wouldn't I? However since you seem
desperate for someone to talk to, here is something to think
about for now!
"Scientific theory is a matter of the highest degree
of probability based on the data available. There are no
absolutes in it. Further- more, science is a train that is
constantly moving. Yesterday's generalization is today's
discarded hypothesis."
"This is one reason for being somewhat tentative about
accepting any form of evolutionary theory as the final
explanation of biology. It is also why it is dangerous to
try to prove the Bible by science. If the Bible becomes
wedded to today's scientific theories, what will happen to
it when science, ten years from now, has shifted?"
"Theologian W.A. Criswell cites: "In 1861 . . . the
French Academy of Science published a little brochure in
which they stated fifty-one scientific facts that
controverted the Word of God. Today there is not a scientist
in the world who believes a single one of those fifty one
so-called scientific facts that in 1861 were published as
controverting the Word of God. Not a one!" (10)
"Thoughtful evolutionists concede that the matter is
not an open-and-shut-case, but they feel the theory must be
accepted despite some seeming contradictions and unexplained
factors."
"The following is of such interest that I quote it at
length to illustrate this point. After discussing how
pathetically theology students at Cambridge, in a former
century, accepted dogma and teachings they did not fully
understand or personally investigate, G.A. Kerkut, an
evolutionist, points out that many present-day
undergraduates have succumbed to the same unthinking
tendencies in their studies in general, and in accepting
evolution in biology in particular. He writes:"
"For some years now I have tutored undergraduates on various
aspects of biology. It is quite Common, during the course of
conversation, to ask the student if he knows the evidence for
evolution. This usually evokes a faintly superior smile.
. ."
"Well, sir, there is the evidence from paleontology,
comparative anatomy, embryology, systematics and
geographical distribution."
(Quoted from, "Know Why You Believe", Paul Little, 1988,
p.123)
Let me know of you would like the continuation of this
matter!
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: A "Swiftie"!
|Date: 02 Mar 97 07:33:28
EID:3b6e 22623c20
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 8988f0b9
Hi Jan,
(Re: yours of 24-Feb-1997, "A "swiftie"!")
JD> On 23 Feb 97, Laurie Appleton wrote to John Musselwhite...
LA> Clearly, as things stand, I can see you with a very
LA> large SHOVEL in the process of time!
JD> Around you, he'll need one for all the bullshipping.
:-)
JD> Tell us again about your stroll around Mt. St. Helens
JD> with "former President Harry Truman", a decade AFTER Truamn
JD> died!
Does that question mean that you have a morbid interest
in DEAD things? Anyway here is your message for today. Are
you "listening"?
"In the light of what is known about the radiocarbon
method and the way it is used, it is truly astonishing that
many authors will cite agreeable determinations as "proof"
for their beliefs."....
"Radiocarbon dating has somehow avoided collapse onto
its own battered foundation, and now lurches onward with
feigned consistency. The implication of pervasive
contamination and ancient variations in carbon-14 levels are
steadfastly ignored by those who base their argument upon
the dates."
"The early authorities began the charade by stressing that
they were "not aware of a single significant disagreement"
on any sample that had been dated at different labs. (86,87)
Such enthusiasts continue to claim, incredible though it
may seem, that "no gross discrepancies are apparent",
(88,89)
"Surely 15,000 years of difference on a single block
of soil is indeed a gross discrepancy! And how could the
excessive disagreement between the labs be called
insignificant, when it has been the basis for the
reappraisal of the standard error associated with each and
every date in existence? Why do geologists and archaelogists
still spend their scarce money on costly radiocarbon
determinations? They do so because occasional dates appear
to be useful."
"While the methods cannot be counted on to give good,
unequivocal results, the numbers do impress people, and save
them the trouble of thinking excessively. Expressed in what
look like precise calender years, figures seem somehow
better --- both to layman and professional not versed in
statistics --- than complex stratigraphic or cultural
correlations, and are more easily retained in one's memory.
"Absolute" dates determined by a laboratory carry a lot of
weight, and are extremely helpful in bolstering weak
arguments."...
"No matter how "useful" it is, though, the radiocarbon
method is still not capable of yielding accurate and
reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the
chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates
are actually selected dates. "This whole blessed thing is
nothing but 13th-century alchemy, and it all depends upon
which funny paper you read." (91)
(Robert E.Lee, "Radiocarbon: ages in error". Anthropological
Journal of Canada, vol. 19(3), 1981, pp.9-29. Reprinted in
the Creation Research Society Quarterly, vol.19(2),
September 1982, pp.117-127 (quotes from pp.123 and 125).
So how does that affect you?
Laurie
P.S. Is the name JAN used for females in Canada or is it,
like the name Laurie used also for males?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fundies A
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:17:00
EID:9c1d 225baa20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316401c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Katherine Wintersnight said to Richard Smith about Fundies A:
RS> ???noodle??? Are you having pasta hallucinations? Oh, wait
RS> a minute, I get it! You think my dick is a limp noodle.
RS> Now, what does one do with a noodle? One eats it. This is
RS> your way of telling me that you want to suck my dick, isn't
RS> it? Sorry Dav, I don't swing that way. But thanx for the
RS> offer.
KW> NOODLES???
RS> You heard it here first.
KW> The Church of the Everlasting Rigid NOODLE.
Let's run that one up the cross and see who genuflects . . .
KW> When dealing with xtains, why does it always come back
KW> to NOODLES!!!!!!!!
RS> Damned if I know. Oops!
KW> You think it might be some sort of limp symbology for
KW> their sexual problems?
RS> Speghetti for their size worries.
RS> Elbow macaroni for their impotence incidents.
RS> Rigatoni for their dreams of greatness.
RS> Angel hair for their male pattern baldness.
RS> Clam shells for their fear of disease.
RS> That sort of thing?
KW> I don't think I will even comment on their identification
KW> with something to be eaten.
Okay, then, don't . . .
... I am in no way quite and you have debunked me. -- David `huh?' Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Oh, no, they're breeding
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:20:02
EID:e72f 225baa80
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331640d2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Katherine Wintersnight said to Richard Smith about Oh, no,
they're breeding:
ag> Once we see that UN activity is directed to serve a
ag> religious design, we must wonder just how that
ag> design could have become part of an organization
ag> representing many religions. This leads us to question
ag> who, or what, directs the UN.
dr> Hello Brother,
RS> Oh, gads, they're breeding . . . }:P
KW> What did you expect--Jesus is in them.
I think there's something physiologically wrong there, but I
don't want to think about it.
dr> Thanks for posting this. I have it saved. I am trying to
dr> find as much of this type information as I can for my
dr> newsletter. Where did you get this, BTW?
RS> Anyone tell him that you can usually find this stuff at the
RS> bottom of any dumpster? I don't think I even want to know
RS> what his newsletter is all about, considering that he's
RS> soliciting articles from Giggles-Snot.
KW> Hey, the re-writers of the bible have to get their
KW> material someplace.
Papers good enough for reading, AND for wiping.
... Why buy toilet paper when bibles are given away free? -- Robert Curry
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:22:04
EID:548f 225baac0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316414c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Katherine Wintersnight said to Richard Smith about Most Read Book:
ky> I do not claim that the Constitution specifically mentions
ky> Christianity. Though, I will say, I think the Constitution
ky> was to a large degree taken from Christian beliefs.
RS> I see. You've never heard the idea that it was inspired in
RS> greater part by certain East Coast Native American tribes,
RS> eh?
RS> I don't see the Xtian beliefs that you could accurately
RS> claim it was based on.
KW> Their persistent belief in Wishful Thinking?
RS> Or the idea that if something is in print, it has to be
RS> true?
KW> Ah, yes, the Gospel of Swaggert in the WWN translation.
RS> LOL . . . complete with centerfolds. I personally want
RS> to see Ms. Lust . . .
KW> She'll be airbrushed, like most xtian concepts.
Aw, I was hoping for warts and stretch marks . . .
... Fuck Mickey Mouse in the ass w/a big rubber dick! -- George Carlin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Idiocy
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:31:06
EID:5863 225babe0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316436a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Idiocy:
dr> This is so very sad.
RS> I know. But, be assured, there is Adult Education available
RS> to you. So don't loose hope.
dr> ^^^^^
dr> ...And
c/...And/ . . . and
dr> the pot said unto the kettle, "Thou be _black_!"
c/Thou be/Thou art
dr> See ya
c/ya/you
dr> in class at the Adult Education Center, Mr. Gump.
c/Mr. Gump/Richard Smith
dr> LOL! Care to claim
dr> that you _meant_ to say "loose", Pee Wee Herman?
c/"loose",/`loose,'
c/Pee Wee Herman/Richard Smith
Let me see . . . I made ONE mistake, and you made about half
a dozen. Your point?
... Dave Ragland has imaginary friends named Einstein, God, and Reesa.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:30:08
EID:65e6 225babc0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33164330
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Alternative Or Straw:
RS> Quite? LOL . . .
dr> Quite? Yeah...
c/.../ . . .
dr> like: Quite a burden your
c/your/you're
dr> taking on there, Gomer.
c/Gomer/Richard
dr> None are immune to typos....
c/..../ . . .
dr> even you.
Never said I was. I DO seem to have a lot fewer of them
than you do, though.
dr> They mean one is uneducated and stupid, right?
Only in your case. Let's see what the score for THIS post
is: I made zero typos, you made around four.
... Why not have sex w/...animals, or any person that will submit-DRagland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: ...
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:45:10
EID:6c98 225bada0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331646b6
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about ...:
RS> Hey, Dav, how's your monkey?
dr> Looking more like your ancestors every day.
Assinine claim number one.
What a horrid thing to say about one's wife. She IS a
rhesus, right?
dr> But you don't mind that comment as you believe we
dr> evolved from the same homonid, right?
Assinine claim number two.
And where, precisely, did I say that I thought that you AND
I evolved from the same hominid?
RS> Not as proud, I imagine, as effectively refuting your
RS> claim.
dr> That sentence is just a little disjointed and lot stupid.
Assinine claim numbers three and four.
c/and lot/very
or
c/lot/a lot
Good. Then I'm speaking your language.
dr> It flows like water. Water with very large turds in it
dr> that is. Please resubmit in English, Gomer.
Assinine claims numbers five through seven.
c/in it/in it,
c/resubmit/resubmit it
c/Gomer/Richard
I consistently seem to be doing better than you do,
considering.
RS> Still having trouble with the reading comprehension, eh,
dr> Trouble with reading comprehension? Yep.
c/Yep/Yes
Thanx for admitting it.
dr> I'm failing to _comprehend_
In your case, that's a given.
[dementia deletia (assinine claims numbers eight through
nine)]
RS> Dav? She was inviting your next assinine claim. Go ahead,
RS> just open your mouth. I'm sure one will float out.
dr> You're sure?
Yes. AAMOF, you've made nine so far in this message alone.
dr> Like real sure?
c/real/really
Assinine claim number ten.
dr> Then go sit in the corner and talk
dr> with the rest of the zerotheistfundies.
c/zerotheistfundies/????
Assinine claims numbers eleven through twelve.
dr> Leave me alone as I am a waste of your time.
c/alone as/alone, as
or
c/alone as/alone if
Assinine claim number thirteen.
Gee, I'm sorry I made you cry, Dav.
... Squeek, squeek, squeek, squeek. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: ...
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:56:12
EID:6c98 225baf00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316494c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about ...:
dr> so, maybe "intelligent" exchanges will be possible.
dr> You savvy?
DC> You don't as "you stupid", you condescending son
DC> of a bitch.
RS> This also looks like an altered quote to me, Dav.
RS> Comment?
dr> Yep. You're not looking at it right if you think
c/Yep/Yes
dr> that. Look up the original post, Einstein.
c/Einstein/Smith
RS>
RS> Simpletons do that a lot.
RS>
dr> Do what a lot?
Was there a word in my original post (that you didn't quote
in its entirety, btw) that you didn't understand?
dr> Laugh at geeks with a temper they aren't man enough to
c/they/that
dr> express except behind a monitor a thousand miles away.
c/express/express,
How else should I express myself to you, Dav? BTW, talking
about manhood, any time you want to fly in to Sacramento
Metropolitan Airport, let me know. I'll meet you in the
terminal and we can have it out then and there. Now, let's
see YOUR alleged manhood in action. It's quite one thing to
beat up prisoners or women, especially if you have a lot of
help. Its another thing entirely to beat me up. At the
very least, you'll get a LOT more exercise.
RS> Feel better now Dav? You've scared us all.
dr> Good. Nothing I like better than a terrorized
dr> zerotheist to smack around.
c/zerotheist/???
Is that the rationale you use when smacking Reesa about?
RS> LOL . . . is anyone else finding this as pathetic as I'm
RS> finding it?
dr> Yes. I am.
Thank you for admitting to being pathetic.
dr> I am finding that you are about as pathetic as they come.
Are we talking about your time spent in the showers on the
cell block, Dav?
dr> You are wasting your time and everyone's echo space with
dr> this garbage.
Untrue. I don't write this garbage, you do. Did I hurt
your feelings, Dav? Awww . . . poor lil' fella . . .
Trust me, if the moderator has a problem with my posts,
he'll let me know. Until then, you have nothing to say
about them.
dr> This is my last post to you as I am ashamed to have
This is a blatant lie. I see at least four or five other
posts directly after this one. Just another liar for the
Lord, eh Dav?
dr> lowered myself to your level.
You can't even *grasp* my level.
dr> It's been real, Rick. Real silly that is...
c/silly/silly,
c/is.../is . . .
dr> (sigh)
Run away, Dav. Bet you don't stay away long.
... Nothing could be more simple. Accept me of course. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: ...
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:58:14
EID:ff3a 225baf40
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331649c6
* Carbons Sent to: Styx Allum
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about ...:
dr> so, maybe "intelligent" exchanges will be possible.
dr> You savvy?
DC> You don't as "you stupid", you condescending son
DC> of a bitch.
RS> This also looks like an altered quote to me, Dav.
RS> Comment?
dr> Yep. You're not looking at it right if you think
c/Yep/Yes
dr> that. Look up the original post, Einstein.
c/Einstein/Smith
RS>
RS> Simpletons do that a lot.
RS>
dr> Do what a lot?
Was there a word in my original post (that you didn't quote
in its entirety, btw) that you didn't understand?
dr> Laugh at geeks with a temper they aren't man enough to
c/they/that
dr> express except behind a monitor a thousand miles away.
c/express/express,
How else should I express myself to you, Dav? BTW, talking
about manhood, any time you want to fly in to Sacramento
Metropolitan Airport, let me know. I'll meet you in the
terminal and we can have it out then and there. Now, let's
see YOUR alleged manhood in action. It's quite one thing to
beat up prisoners or women, especially if you have a lot of
help. Its another thing entirely to beat me up. At the
very least, you'll get a LOT more exercise.
RS> Feel better now Dav? You've scared us all.
dr> Good. Nothing I like better than a terrorized
dr> zerotheist to smack around.
c/zerotheist/???
Is that the rationale you use when smacking Reesa about?
RS> LOL . . . is anyone else finding this as pathetic as I'm
RS> finding it?
dr> Yes. I am.
Thank you for admitting to being pathetic.
dr> I am finding that you are about as pathetic as they come.
Are we talking about your time spent in the showers on the
cell block, Dav?
dr> You are wasting your time and everyone's echo space with
dr> this garbage.
Untrue. I don't write this garbage, you do. Did I hurt
your feelings, Dav? Awww . . . poor lil' fella . . .
Trust me, if the moderator has a problem with my posts,
he'll let me know. Until then, you have nothing to say
about them.
dr> This is my last post to you as I am ashamed to have
This is a blatant lie. I see at least four or five other
posts directly after this one. Just another liar for the
Lord, eh Dav?
dr> lowered myself to your level.
You can't even *grasp* my level.
dr> It's been real, Rick. Real silly that is...
c/silly/silly,
c/is.../is . . .
dr> (sigh)
Run away, Dav. Bet you don't stay away long.
... Nothing could be more simple. Accept me of course. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: ...
|Date: 27 Feb 97 21:59:16
EID:46e5 225baf60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33164a04
* Original msg to: ALL
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about ...:
dr> so, maybe "intelligent" exchanges will be possible.
dr> You savvy?
DC> You don't as "you stupid", you condescending son
DC> of a bitch.
RS> This also looks like an altered quote to me, Dav.
RS> Comment?
dr> Yep. You're not looking at it right if you think
c/Yep/Yes
dr> that. Look up the original post, Einstein.
c/Einstein/Smith
RS>
RS> Simpletons do that a lot.
RS>
dr> Do what a lot?
Was there a word in my original post (that you didn't quote
in its entirety, btw) that you didn't understand?
dr> Laugh at geeks with a temper they aren't man enough to
c/they/that
dr> express except behind a monitor a thousand miles away.
c/express/express,
How else should I express myself to you, Dav? BTW, talking
about manhood, any time you want to fly in to Sacramento
Metropolitan Airport, let me know. I'll meet you in the
terminal and we can have it out then and there. Now, let's
see YOUR alleged manhood in action. It's quite one thing to
beat up prisoners or women, especially if you have a lot of
help. Its another thing entirely to beat me up. At the
very least, you'll get a LOT more exercise.
RS> Feel better now Dav? You've scared us all.
dr> Good. Nothing I like better than a terrorized
dr> zerotheist to smack around.
c/zerotheist/???
Is that the rationale you use when smacking Reesa about?
RS> LOL . . . is anyone else finding this as pathetic as I'm
RS> finding it?
dr> Yes. I am.
Thank you for admitting to being pathetic.
dr> I am finding that you are about as pathetic as they come.
Are we talking about your time spent in the showers on the
cell block, Dav?
dr> You are wasting your time and everyone's echo space with
dr> this garbage.
Untrue. I don't write this garbage, you do. Did I hurt
your feelings, Dav? Awww . . . poor lil' fella . . .
Trust me, if the moderator has a problem with my posts,
he'll let me know. Until then, you have nothing to say
about them.
dr> This is my last post to you as I am ashamed to have
This is a blatant lie. I see at least four or five other
posts directly after this one. Just another liar for the
Lord, eh Dav?
dr> lowered myself to your level.
You can't even *grasp* my level.
dr> It's been real, Rick. Real silly that is...
c/silly/silly,
c/is.../is . . .
dr> (sigh)
Run away, Dav. Bet you don't stay away long.
... Nothing could be more simple. Accept me of course. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Fundies
|Date: 27 Feb 97 22:02:18
EID:733b 225bb040
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33164aba
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Fundies:
RS> ignorant stripe. Maybe it's a difference too slight for you
RS> to understand, but most people can discerne the difference.
dr> ^^^^^^^^
dr> How's that burden, Rick? Care to say that _I_ put that "e"
dr> there?
c/"e"/`e'
1. Which `e?'
2. Did you?
... .....that's good enough huh? Deeeerrrrr!!! -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative A
|Date: 27 Feb 97 22:05:20
EID:cc37 225bb0a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33164b70
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Alternative A:
RS> Oh, and by the way, WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
RS> There are ladies present.
dr> With the exception of Laurie, who are you referring to?
If you have to ask, you'll never understand. Which is
evident from your comment about Laurie.
BTW, this is about the fourth or fifth message from you
after you said you weren't going to respond to me any more.
Got a stutter?
... ............yup yessiree bob de bob de bob!! -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 27 Feb 97 22:25:22
EID:65e6 225bb320
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33165022
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Alternative Or Straw:
RS> This is an erronious assumption.
dr> No...
c/.../ . . . //,
dr> it's not, Gomer.
c/Gomer/Richard
dr> And the word is spelled: e-r-r-o-n-e-o-u-s.
c/e-r-r-o-n-e-o-u-s/erroneous
(Too many hyphens.)
dr> LOL! How's that burden? Getting kinda heavy, huh?
c/! How's/! How's
c/kinda/kind of
What burden? I make mistakes. But, according to everything
we see from you, I don't make as many mistakes as you do. I
can live with that.
BTW, weren't you going to run away, err, stop posting to me?
Were you just lying again?
RS> Because something begins, it doesn't mean that it was begun
RS> by some entity.
dr> Yes... it does.
Evidence . . . ?
RS> An acorn falls from an oak tree.
RS> Who started it falling?
dr> God.
Which God?
dr> He made gravity, Rick.
c/Rick/Richard
How did this imaginary figure create gravity?
RS> Frost appears on my windows, who put it there, Jack Frost?
dr> Maybe. I dunno. (sigh)
c/dunno/don't know
But according to your claim, some entity HAS to put it
there. So, how long have you been a believer in Jack Frost?
I much prefer Robert Frost, myself.
RS> LOL . . . next time you fudge a quote to fulfill your
RS> itinerary, please be sure to leave the punctuation
RS> intact.
dr> It is... intact.
c/is... intact/is . . . intact// is intact
dr> Why do you say otherwise?
I didn't say otherwise, I said the punctuation was fouled.
Repost the quote and I'll show you.
dr> Nevermind, don't answer.
c/Nevermind/Never mind
What are you afraid of, Dav?
dr> You are a waste of keystrokes.
I see. That's why, after you've told me that you're not
going to respond to me any more, you keep responding.
You're sad, and I feel sorry for you.
RS> And, if you would be so kind, please give us your source on
RS> this. It's definitely not your writing.
RS> Step six of the Fundy Shuffle: submit material as though it
RS> were your own, fudging material through injudicious use of
dr> Lie.
That's what I said. And that's what you did. Thank you for
cutting it to the bone for all of us to see.
RS> altered quotes, punctuation, and incomplete quotes in order
RS> to make it appear reasonable. Under no circumstances give
RS> your exact source, for then everyone will be able to tell
RS> what kind of a fraud you are.
dr> I am not a fraud.
You ARE a fraud, and afraid.
dr> You cannot say that and not be a liar.
Sure I can. You have NO evidence that I've lied at all.
Whereas, everyone here has seen you lie a number of times.
RS> IF Einstein ever said such a thing, he was being bamboozled.
dr> Well that wraps it!
Thanks for admitting it.
dr> Now you are calling an intellectual giant a dummy.
Kindly show me where I called an intellectual giant a dummy.
Exactly. Now. Or be known for the fraud you are.
dr> Anyone that disagrees with you is stupid.
No, only you.
dr> What of Hawking?
It's not much as a sport, though the training of the hawk
can be fascinating.
dr> Is he a dummy too?
Who? And where did I say that anyone was a dummy, other
than you?
dr> I am sure he doesn't agree with you on everything
dr> either, Gomer.
c/Gomer/Richard
Got any evidence to back up this claim, Dav?
RS> One doesn't necessarily follow the other. Are you going to
RS> give us your source on this, or are you going to admit your
RS> cravenness?
dr> I _never_ have a problem with sources.
That's why you couldn't cite it with your quote. I see.
dr> And the Fundy's source is:
dr> Lincoln Barnett, The Universe and Dr. Einstein (New York:
dr> William Sloane Associates, 1948), p. 106.
*L*O*F*L*!*!*!*!*!*
Got ANYTHING that isn't half a century old, Dav, in the way
of sources?
How very Appletoonish of you.
... eeeeerrrrrrrrr harcurfabble -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw B
|Date: 27 Feb 97 22:37:24
EID:ba13 225bb4a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331652f4
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Alternative Or Straw B:
Message six in the continuing saga of Dav Raghead, not
talking to me at all . . .
RS> learning, they start dying. When all is said and done,
RS> thought is all we actually own. Our possessions are never
RS> really ours . . . others will have them after we die. Our
RS> body is not our own, for otherwise we wouldn't have
RS> carcinomas or wasting diseases. Our thoughts are our only
RS> coin in trade. Given that, we OUGHT to use them correctly.
dr> Your thoughts are all you own because, possessions cannot be
dr> be taken with you?
c/because,/because
c/be be/be
Which word didn't you understand?
dr> And you speak to _me_ of fractured logic.
Only because you're the official poster child.
dr> Ha!
Does this mean that you keep an overnight bag packed for
when you leave for your afterlife, Dav? Did you get the
entry stickers for your passport as well?
*L*O*F*L*!*!*!*
dr> What of your _thoughts_ when you are gone?
What of them? I'm not going to care.
dr> Are they still yours?
If I kept a copy of them, for instance if I wrote them down,
then they are mine in origin, but my heirs in ownership.
You might check out an elementary text on copyright.
Eventually, they'll become public domain.
Your point is . . . ?
Still not responding to me, btw?
dr> Not according to what the zerotheists say.
WHO?
dr> They mean nothing if you do not have an eternal life.
They mean nothing in any case. In the grand scheme of
things, no one's thoughts have any importance.
dr> You may as well have lived a life of intellectual torpor.
As I see you have.
dr> No matter what you are remembered as doing before your
dr> demise, you can take nothing of this world with you
dr> according to zerothesism.
According to WHAT?
Are you taking a change of underwear, Dav?
dr> What you do while you here only matters if you are an
c/you here/you're here
dr> eternal being.
So, the works of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, etc., are
non-existent and have no meaning, eh? I think your brainpan
is about a quart low.
RS> Where do you get your unbridled prejudice against people
RS> who have earned degrees?
dr> `Tis not the degrees, but their remarks that I despise.
c/'Tis not/It isn't
Odd that you only rally against those WITH degrees then,
isn't it? And you have problems understanding why I can't
stand ignorant fucks such as yourself?
... cOnFoooZeD? Bothered by the dradnats-nUn?... -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Fudgefest
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:23:26
EID:6834 225bbae0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33165dbe
* Carbons Sent to: ALL
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Fudgefest:
[dementia deletia]
dr> Human apathy is
RS> . . . is what? What? WHAT?
dr> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
dr> What is _that_ about?
Which part didn't you understand?
dr> And you call _me_ a loon. ROFL!!!
c/loon. ROFL!!!/loon. ROFL!!!
dr> :P
No thanks, I prefer toilet paper.
RS> What a fucking loon. BTW, Helen Keller COULDN'T have said
RS> that line . . . she could not speak. Duh, Dav?
dr> She couldn't?
Not that I was aware of. I allow I could be wrong in NOT
knowing that she could speak, IF she could speak. If so, I
admit to making a mistake. That's something that I
apparently can do that you can't.
dr> YOU are debunked by your own _mouth_.
You are debunked by your own WORDS. I didn't use my mouth
at ALL to make that last post. Maybe YOU don't know that,
having to read everything out loud.
dr> Ya got that, Goober?
c/Ya/Have you
c/Goober/Richard
dr> _YOUR_ mouth debunked you!!
How, exactly, did I use my mouth in making my last post,
Dav? Type with my tongue?
dr> YOUR mouth!
My, this is beginning to seem VERY homoerotic, Dav. Is
there something you haven't told Reesa that we should know
about . . . ?
dr> Cry havoc and slip loose the dogs of war!
It's a mistake to rely on Star Trek movies for your
Shakespearian quotes:
Cry "Havoc," and let slip the dogs of war.
-- Julius Caesar, III, i, 273
dr> Your burden
Which burden would that be?
dr> just attained a backbreaking weight!
How so?
dr> Keller was an author _and_ lecturer!
So? One doesn't need to speak to speak to people, even in a
lecture hall. Koko the gorilla only knew sign language, but
she was able to communicate to similar crowds.
dr> Ya got that?
Your Tourette's Syndrome? Hardly.
dr> A _lecturer_.
Again, so?
dr> When 19 months old, she was stricken with an acute illness
dr> illness that left her deaf and blind.
And?
dr> Did you get that in your dense little skull,
dr> Fudgemaster!!
c/Fudgemaster/Richard
c/!!/!
You're back to the homoeroticism again, aren't you, Dav?
dr> Deaf and blind! Not MUTE!!!!
c/! Not/! Not
c/!!!!/!
So she had an excuse, whereas you don't.
dr> Duuuuhhhhhh, Smitty!!!???
c/Duuuuhhhhhh/Duh
c/Smitty/Smith
c/!!!???/?
Your point . . . ?
dr> No method could be found to educate her until the age of
dr> seven, when she began her special education in reading
dr> and writing with Anne Mansfield Sullivan (later Macy) of
dr> the Perkins Institute for the Blind.
Your source for this material that you're NOT giving credit
for, even though you claim that you NEVER have any problems
with sources, is . . . ?
dr> She quickly learned to read by the Braille system and to
dr> write by means of a specially constructed typewriter. In
c/. In/. In
dr> 1890 Keller learned to_speak_ after only one month of
dr> study.
Really? I hadn't heard that she could speak. If this
proves to be the case, I admit to not knowing that fact.
dr> Did ya get that, Mr. Gump!!!?
c/ya/you
c/Gump/Smith
c/!!!?/?
That you've just shit yourself with excitement? Yes, I
understand that.
dr> She learned to _speak_!
How nice, if it's true. Since you have such a history of
lies, though, please excuse me for not believing you at all.
I admitt that it might be possible and that I might be
wrong, but someone else will have to verify this. You have
NO veracity around here, Dav.
dr> Ten years later, she was able to enter Radcliffe
dr> College, from which she graduated with honors in 1904.
dr> Keller then served on the Massachusetts Commission for
dr> the Blind. Throughout her life she worked and raised
c/. Throughout/. Throughout
Ever notice how your spelling improves when you're lifting
text from somewhere else, Dav?
dr> funds for the American Foundation for the Blind, and she
dr> traveled and _lectured_ in many countries, including
dr> England, France, Italy, Egypt, South Africa, Australia,
dr> and Japan.
So?
dr> Her writings include The Story of My Life (1902), The
dr> World I Live In (1908), Out of the Dark (1913),
dr> Midstream-My Later Life (1930), Let Us Have Faith
dr> (1940), Teacher: Anne Sullivan Macy (1955), and The Open
dr> Door (1957).
So, are you saying that because she was able to write books,
she was able to speak? LOL . . .
dr> Her life is the subject of a motion
dr> picture, The Unconquered (1954), and a play, The Miracle
dr> Worker (1959; motion picture, 1962), by American author
dr> William Gibson.
So, if she had a play and a movie about her, that proves
taht she could talk?
dr> `Tis a good decision that I have made to stop talking
dr> to you
c\`Tis\It is
Supposedly made about six posts back. Yet still your verbal
runs continue.
dr> and most of the other
dr> zerotheistfundyreligiousfanatics
LOL! The WHAT?
dr> in here.
At this rate, you'll have stopped talking to us about the
time the century turns over.
dr> You are an example of wasted copulation.
Something I'm sure you have infinite experience with. Or
were you propositioning me, Dav?
dr> How utterly stupid you are at not having known that
dr> Keller could speak, you idiot!
c/you idiot/Richard
Stupid for not knowing something? No. Ignorant of a
certain fact? Certainly. And I'm man enough to admit it,
IF I'm shown to be in error. You haven't done that yet,
though, if for no other reason than the fact that you've
lied so much I wouldn't believe you about anything.
dr> How was that little look in the mirror, Dr. Jerkov?
Sorry, Dav, but I'm straight. It's nice of you to ask,
though. What's the matter, not getting any from your
Rhesus?
I don't mind being wrong, for only by being wrong do I
learn. And I don't mind learning. Unlike you and Staalin,
I don't value any ignorance I find in myself. (Hint: have
you figured out where you went wrong in your assumptions
about Laurie yet?) Unlike you, I am able to encounter a
mistake and not have my manhood topple from it, and unlike
you, I am able to better myself through trial and error. I
don't HAVE to accept by rote what my masters have told me.
My mind my own.
dr> Now, see how that sounds?
Yes, it sounds petulant and childish on your part. Hardly a
surprize.
dr> See how it feels?
See how what feels? I feel good. I may have learned
something I didn't know before. I love learning. You
should try it sometime.
dr> You split your sides laughing because I spelled "quiet"
dr> q-u-i-t-e by accident.
That wasn't the only reason I and the others were laughing
at you, Dav.
dr> Then in the same group of posts
dr> you debunk your _own_ self as the almighty Fudgemaster!
Show me where I claimed to be the almighty Fudgemaster.
Hint: you are a liar, and you can't do it. Now run away,
small one. The adults have business to discuss.
BTW, my alleged error (we'll wait for confirmation,
something I'm sure you're not familiar with) in no way
debunks what I have been saying about your stupidity or lack
of evidence. I note that there are many of my posts that
you refuse to answer. And you and I know what that means.
RS> No doubt you will find new levels of arrogance.
dr> Is debunking your moronic crapola supercilious, Fudge Boy?
I see I spoke prophetically. You don't disappoint me, Dav.
You continually prove yourself a first level moron. By
pointing out an possible error, you have done nothing more
than that. I can live with it, as it doesn't refute what
I'm saying about you and your beliefs. You'll have to learn
to live with it now.
... D. Worrell: You guys never learn do you? D. Ragland: Learn what?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: Fudgefest
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:24:28
EID:37a9 225bbb00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33165dfc
* Original msg to: David Ragland
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about Fudgefest:
[dementia deletia]
dr> Human apathy is
RS> . . . is what? What? WHAT?
dr> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
dr> What is _that_ about?
Which part didn't you understand?
dr> And you call _me_ a loon. ROFL!!!
c/loon. ROFL!!!/loon. ROFL!!!
dr> :P
No thanks, I prefer toilet paper.
RS> What a fucking loon. BTW, Helen Keller COULDN'T have said
RS> that line . . . she could not speak. Duh, Dav?
dr> She couldn't?
Not that I was aware of. I allow I could be wrong in NOT
knowing that she could speak, IF she could speak. If so, I
admit to making a mistake. That's something that I
apparently can do that you can't.
dr> YOU are debunked by your own _mouth_.
You are debunked by your own WORDS. I didn't use my mouth
at ALL to make that last post. Maybe YOU don't know that,
having to read everything out loud.
dr> Ya got that, Goober?
c/Ya/Have you
c/Goober/Richard
dr> _YOUR_ mouth debunked you!!
How, exactly, did I use my mouth in making my last post,
Dav? Type with my tongue?
dr> YOUR mouth!
My, this is beginning to seem VERY homoerotic, Dav. Is
there something you haven't told Reesa that we should know
about . . . ?
dr> Cry havoc and slip loose the dogs of war!
It's a mistake to rely on Star Trek movies for your
Shakespearian quotes:
Cry "Havoc," and let slip the dogs of war.
-- Julius Caesar, III, i, 273
dr> Your burden
Which burden would that be?
dr> just attained a backbreaking weight!
How so?
dr> Keller was an author _and_ lecturer!
So? One doesn't need to speak to speak to people, even in a
lecture hall. Koko the gorilla only knew sign language, but
she was able to communicate to similar crowds.
dr> Ya got that?
Your Tourette's Syndrome? Hardly.
dr> A _lecturer_.
Again, so?
dr> When 19 months old, she was stricken with an acute illness
dr> illness that left her deaf and blind.
And?
dr> Did you get that in your dense little skull,
dr> Fudgemaster!!
c/Fudgemaster/Richard
c/!!/!
You're back to the homoeroticism again, aren't you, Dav?
dr> Deaf and blind! Not MUTE!!!!
c/! Not/! Not
c/!!!!/!
So she had an excuse, whereas you don't.
dr> Duuuuhhhhhh, Smitty!!!???
c/Duuuuhhhhhh/Duh
c/Smitty/Smith
c/!!!???/?
Your point . . . ?
dr> No method could be found to educate her until the age of
dr> seven, when she began her special education in reading
dr> and writing with Anne Mansfield Sullivan (later Macy) of
dr> the Perkins Institute for the Blind.
Your source for this material that you're NOT giving credit
for, even though you claim that you NEVER have any problems
with sources, is . . . ?
dr> She quickly learned to read by the Braille system and to
dr> write by means of a specially constructed typewriter. In
c/. In/. In
dr> 1890 Keller learned to_speak_ after only one month of
dr> study.
Really? I hadn't heard that she could speak. If this
proves to be the case, I admit to not knowing that fact.
dr> Did ya get that, Mr. Gump!!!?
c/ya/you
c/Gump/Smith
c/!!!?/?
That you've just shit yourself with excitement? Yes, I
understand that.
dr> She learned to _speak_!
How nice, if it's true. Since you have such a history of
lies, though, please excuse me for not believing you at all.
I admitt that it might be possible and that I might be
wrong, but someone else will have to verify this. You have
NO veracity around here, Dav.
dr> Ten years later, she was able to enter Radcliffe
dr> College, from which she graduated with honors in 1904.
dr> Keller then served on the Massachusetts Commission for
dr> the Blind. Throughout her life she worked and raised
c/. Throughout/. Throughout
Ever notice how your spelling improves when you're lifting
text from somewhere else, Dav?
dr> funds for the American Foundation for the Blind, and she
dr> traveled and _lectured_ in many countries, including
dr> England, France, Italy, Egypt, South Africa, Australia,
dr> and Japan.
So?
dr> Her writings include The Story of My Life (1902), The
dr> World I Live In (1908), Out of the Dark (1913),
dr> Midstream-My Later Life (1930), Let Us Have Faith
dr> (1940), Teacher: Anne Sullivan Macy (1955), and The Open
dr> Door (1957).
So, are you saying that because she was able to write books,
she was able to speak? LOL . . .
dr> Her life is the subject of a motion
dr> picture, The Unconquered (1954), and a play, The Miracle
dr> Worker (1959; motion picture, 1962), by American author
dr> William Gibson.
So, if she had a play and a movie about her, that proves
taht she could talk?
dr> `Tis a good decision that I have made to stop talking
dr> to you
c\`Tis\It is
Supposedly made about six posts back. Yet still your verbal
runs continue.
dr> and most of the other
dr> zerotheistfundyreligiousfanatics
LOL! The WHAT?
dr> in here.
At this rate, you'll have stopped talking to us about the
time the century turns over.
dr> You are an example of wasted copulation.
Something I'm sure you have infinite experience with. Or
were you propositioning me, Dav?
dr> How utterly stupid you are at not having known that
dr> Keller could speak, you idiot!
c/you idiot/Richard
Stupid for not knowing something? No. Ignorant of a
certain fact? Certainly. And I'm man enough to admit it,
IF I'm shown to be in error. You haven't done that yet,
though, if for no other reason than the fact that you've
lied so much I wouldn't believe you about anything.
dr> How was that little look in the mirror, Dr. Jerkov?
Sorry, Dav, but I'm straight. It's nice of you to ask,
though. What's the matter, not getting any from your
Rhesus?
I don't mind being wrong, for only by being wrong do I
learn. And I don't mind learning. Unlike you and Staalin,
I don't value any ignorance I find in myself. (Hint: have
you figured out where you went wrong in your assumptions
about Laurie yet?) Unlike you, I am able to encounter a
mistake and not have my manhood topple from it, and unlike
you, I am able to better myself through trial and error. I
don't HAVE to accept by rote what my masters have told me.
My mind my own.
dr> Now, see how that sounds?
Yes, it sounds petulant and childish on your part. Hardly a
surprize.
dr> See how it feels?
See how what feels? I feel good. I may have learned
something I didn't know before. I love learning. You
should try it sometime.
dr> You split your sides laughing because I spelled "quiet"
dr> q-u-i-t-e by accident.
That wasn't the only reason I and the others were laughing
at you, Dav.
dr> Then in the same group of posts
dr> you debunk your _own_ self as the almighty Fudgemaster!
Show me where I claimed to be the almighty Fudgemaster.
Hint: you are a liar, and you can't do it. Now run away,
small one. The adults have business to discuss.
BTW, my alleged error (we'll wait for confirmation,
something I'm sure you're not familiar with) in no way
debunks what I have been saying about your stupidity or lack
of evidence. I note that there are many of my posts that
you refuse to answer. And you and I know what that means.
RS> No doubt you will find new levels of arrogance.
dr> Is debunking your moronic crapola supercilious, Fudge Boy?
I see I spoke prophetically. You don't disappoint me, Dav.
You continually prove yourself a first level moron. By
pointing out an possible error, you have done nothing more
than that. I can live with it, as it doesn't refute what
I'm saying about you and your beliefs. You'll have to learn
to live with it now.
... D. Worrell: You guys never learn do you? D. Ragland: Learn what?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: The story of me
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:33:30
EID:53a6 225bbc20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316601a
* Carbons Sent to: Styx Allum
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about The story of me:
dr> @MSGID: 1:123/67 33145eee
dr> @PID: GED3 2.51.a901 124LM3
dr> During the last week I've been wrangling with the
dr> stubbornest pimple ever to grace my skin. Allow me to
dr> tell you about it.
dr> It all began innocently enough: several days ago, I was
dr> harvesting a crop of upper-arm-zits (am I the only one
dr> who gets these? I can't be...). I punctured a little
dr> fellow located a few inches above my elbow, and promptly
dr> forgot about it. Imagine my surprise when I inspected
dr> the area the next morning and found a HUGE lump, almost
dr> an inch across!
dr> Of course, I immediately got a hard-on and squeezed the
dr> lump, expecting to be treated to an enormous geyser of
dr> pus. When nothing happened except that the damn thing
dr> hurt like hell, I began to experience a few misgivings.
dr> Since brute force had failed, I decided to be subtle and
dr> peeled off the top of the monster. It bled--profusely,
dr> at first--but no pus was to be had. When I had almost
dr> completely covered a tissue with dabs of the blood
dr> oozing from the thing, and my fingernails were crusted
dr> over with the same liquid, I was rewarded with a tiny
dr> white column which sprouted from somewhere in the middle
dr> of the hole in my skin. Gleefully, I wiped it up and
dr> redoubled my efforts, but all I got for my trouble was
dr> that unsatisfying, clear, watery pus. While all of this
dr> had been going on, the hard skin around and under the
dr> mutant zit hadn't changed one bit (I'd expected it to
dr> deflate under all the pressure I was putting on it).
dr> Reluctantly, I gave up and left the zit alone for a
dr> while. It scabbed over, but I have never, EVER been
dr> able to leave a scab alone for long, so eventually I
dr> broke down and attacked the thing again. Got nothing
dr> but blood and water- pus for my trouble. Let it scab
dr> over. Attacked it again. Let it scab over. Attacked it
dr> again. Do you see a pattern here?
dr> Under all my constant haranguing, the superzit began to
dr> metamorphosize. The ring of hard skin around the
dr> scabbed part became an angry red color; the interior of
dr> the zit became dead white; and there was a strange brown
dr> spot smack dab in the middle. It was raised slightly: a
dr> perfect target for the tweezers! Unfortunately, I had
dr> lost the only pair of tweezers I owned (the one on my
dr> Swiss Army knife) the previous month. Strafing the area
dr> with a fingernail did no good, for while the brown spot
dr> was raised, the dead-white area in which it was situated
dr> was on a lower level than the surrounding skin; I
dr> couldn't scrape it off, no matter how hard I tried.
dr> After a few treatments like this, the brown spot
dr> elongated, although it still refused to yield up its
dr> treasure. The zit began to remind me of an eye, and I
dr> wondered if I had been invaded by some alien organism
dr> like in Steven King's story "I Am The Doorway".
dr> I became frantic with the desire to puncture this brown
dr> spot. I searched the knife that had formerly held my
dr> tweezers. There was also a plastic toothpick. Sigh, not
dr> the most appropriate tool for the job, but I tried it
dr> anyway. Attempts to wedge the tip of the 'pick under the
dr> spot and lever it open met with failure. Eventually I
dr> tried placing the toothpick's point direcly on the spot
dr> and pressing down firmly, slowly increasing the
dr> pressure. Finally, the pick broke through something,
dr> and plunged down to another level of the zit. I was
dr> alarmed, but it seemed that I had made a hole of SOME
dr> kind, so I resumed the usual squeezing. What did I get
dr> out of it? Nuttin', honey.
dr> I looked at the knife again. Hmmm, a corkscrew. I
dr> tried using the 'screw and the 'pick in unison as a
dr> makeshift tweezer, but I wasn't dextrous enough to do it
dr> one-handed. I even tried using the tip of the knife
dr> part of the knife, but stopped in short order, fearing a
dr> bloody mis-slice.
dr> A short time later, during one of my routine
dr> scab-pickings, a halfhearted squeeze yielded a copious
dr> quantity of meaty white pus! Awright! I milked the zit
dr> dry, left it alone, popped it again, and got another
dr> pus-puddle, although not so voluminous as the first
dr> time. After a few more of these treatments, the well of
dr> white pus seemed to be exhausted.
dr> With the pus went my enthusiasm to plumb the uttermost
dr> secrets of this mighty pockmark on my skin: I covered
dr> the hole with a Band-Aid to which I had applied some
dr> Neosporin. The thing has been healing slowly ever
dr> since. And THAT, Richard, is the story of the biggest
dr> zit I ever had.
dr> SLMR 2.1a Good day for flying but bad day for landings....
dr> -!-
dr> ! Origin: Tequilla Sunrise BBS (504)756-0383, Baton Rouge, LA
dr> (1:123/67)
In a previous post (about six preceeding this post), David
Ragland wrote to Richard Smith:
"I am finding that you are about as pathetic as they come.
You are wasting your time and everyone's echo space with
this garbage. This is my last post to you as I am ashamed
to have lowered myself to your level."
You continue to prove my point about you, Dav.
... Yep. I'm failing to _comprehend_ -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Fyi
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:34:32
EID:8002 225bbc40
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33166058
* Original msg to: David Ragland
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Richard Smith about The story of me:
dr> @MSGID: 1:123/67 33145eee
dr> @PID: GED3 2.51.a901 124LM3
dr> During the last week I've been wrangling with the
dr> stubbornest pimple ever to grace my skin. Allow me to
dr> tell you about it.
dr> It all began innocently enough: several days ago, I was
dr> harvesting a crop of upper-arm-zits (am I the only one
dr> who gets these? I can't be...). I punctured a little
dr> fellow located a few inches above my elbow, and promptly
dr> forgot about it. Imagine my surprise when I inspected
dr> the area the next morning and found a HUGE lump, almost
dr> an inch across!
dr> Of course, I immediately got a hard-on and squeezed the
dr> lump, expecting to be treated to an enormous geyser of
dr> pus. When nothing happened except that the damn thing
dr> hurt like hell, I began to experience a few misgivings.
dr> Since brute force had failed, I decided to be subtle and
dr> peeled off the top of the monster. It bled--profusely,
dr> at first--but no pus was to be had. When I had almost
dr> completely covered a tissue with dabs of the blood
dr> oozing from the thing, and my fingernails were crusted
dr> over with the same liquid, I was rewarded with a tiny
dr> white column which sprouted from somewhere in the middle
dr> of the hole in my skin. Gleefully, I wiped it up and
dr> redoubled my efforts, but all I got for my trouble was
dr> that unsatisfying, clear, watery pus. While all of this
dr> had been going on, the hard skin around and under the
dr> mutant zit hadn't changed one bit (I'd expected it to
dr> deflate under all the pressure I was putting on it).
dr> Reluctantly, I gave up and left the zit alone for a
dr> while. It scabbed over, but I have never, EVER been
dr> able to leave a scab alone for long, so eventually I
dr> broke down and attacked the thing again. Got nothing
dr> but blood and water- pus for my trouble. Let it scab
dr> over. Attacked it again. Let it scab over. Attacked it
dr> again. Do you see a pattern here?
dr> Under all my constant haranguing, the superzit began to
dr> metamorphosize. The ring of hard skin around the
dr> scabbed part became an angry red color; the interior of
dr> the zit became dead white; and there was a strange brown
dr> spot smack dab in the middle. It was raised slightly: a
dr> perfect target for the tweezers! Unfortunately, I had
dr> lost the only pair of tweezers I owned (the one on my
dr> Swiss Army knife) the previous month. Strafing the area
dr> with a fingernail did no good, for while the brown spot
dr> was raised, the dead-white area in which it was situated
dr> was on a lower level than the surrounding skin; I
dr> couldn't scrape it off, no matter how hard I tried.
dr> After a few treatments like this, the brown spot
dr> elongated, although it still refused to yield up its
dr> treasure. The zit began to remind me of an eye, and I
dr> wondered if I had been invaded by some alien organism
dr> like in Steven King's story "I Am The Doorway".
dr> I became frantic with the desire to puncture this brown
dr> spot. I searched the knife that had formerly held my
dr> tweezers. There was also a plastic toothpick. Sigh, not
dr> the most appropriate tool for the job, but I tried it
dr> anyway. Attempts to wedge the tip of the 'pick under the
dr> spot and lever it open met with failure. Eventually I
dr> tried placing the toothpick's point direcly on the spot
dr> and pressing down firmly, slowly increasing the
dr> pressure. Finally, the pick broke through something,
dr> and plunged down to another level of the zit. I was
dr> alarmed, but it seemed that I had made a hole of SOME
dr> kind, so I resumed the usual squeezing. What did I get
dr> out of it? Nuttin', honey.
dr> I looked at the knife again. Hmmm, a corkscrew. I
dr> tried using the 'screw and the 'pick in unison as a
dr> makeshift tweezer, but I wasn't dextrous enough to do it
dr> one-handed. I even tried using the tip of the knife
dr> part of the knife, but stopped in short order, fearing a
dr> bloody mis-slice.
dr> A short time later, during one of my routine
dr> scab-pickings, a halfhearted squeeze yielded a copious
dr> quantity of meaty white pus! Awright! I milked the zit
dr> dry, left it alone, popped it again, and got another
dr> pus-puddle, although not so voluminous as the first
dr> time. After a few more of these treatments, the well of
dr> white pus seemed to be exhausted.
dr> With the pus went my enthusiasm to plumb the uttermost
dr> secrets of this mighty pockmark on my skin: I covered
dr> the hole with a Band-Aid to which I had applied some
dr> Neosporin. The thing has been healing slowly ever
dr> since. And THAT, Richard, is the story of the biggest
dr> zit I ever had.
dr> SLMR 2.1a Good day for flying but bad day for landings....
dr> -!-
dr> ! Origin: Tequilla Sunrise BBS (504)756-0383, Baton Rouge, LA
dr> (1:123/67)
In a previous post (about six preceeding this post), David
Ragland wrote to Richard Smith:
"I am finding that you are about as pathetic as they come.
You are wasting your time and everyone's echo space with
this garbage. This is my last post to you as I am ashamed
to have lowered myself to your level."
You continue to prove my point about you, Dav.
... Yep. I'm failing to _comprehend_ -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:40:34
EID:2d05 225bbd00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331661c2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Richard Smith about Alternative Or Straw:
LB> Hmmm...it just occured to me...if God had REALLY wanted
LB> to bring on a unquestionable miracle, he should have
LB> impregnated JOSEPH.....
RS> Talk about suffering for one's faith . . .
LB> But, Richard...it would have been an HONOR! And the
LB> gospel writers would have seen to it that those
LB> highpitched shrieks were transcribed as a hymn of
LB> praise!
Not that Joseph would have had any choice in the matter
anyway . . .
... Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption.(R. Lederer)
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Re: Cooked Christians
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:44:36
EID:2cde 225bbd80
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331662b4
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jan Deboer said to Richard Smith about Re: Cooked Christians:
JD> Hello Richard,
Howdy, Jan!
JD> Remember a cooking show called "The Galloping Gourmet"?
JD> [deletia]
RS> First he became a total lush, THEN got `saved.' I remember
RS> seeing him half crocked by the end of his show . . .
JD> Hee, hee...they gotta have a gimmick to keep you hanging in
JD> for the finale!
Our current favorite (my youngest son's and mine) is Death
By Chocolate. No attention span problem with THAT show.
JD> But speaking of crocked (and I know this is off-topic,
JD> but I'm sure god won't mind) I think the classic I saw
JD> on PBS (and I *wish* I had taped it!) was Julia Childs.
[funny story deleted]
JD> Julia was reduced to incoherent mumblings of
JD> rationalizing her failure at demonstrating egg-sheller's
JD> triumph. (Think of Ken Young in the kitchen, and you'll
JD> get the picture.)
I never saw that episode, but I did see one where she
couldn't flip an omelet to save her life.
JD> My awe of gourmet cooks was permanently scarred.
LOL . . .
... "While my assistant, Jim, wrestles Cthulhu . . . " -- Marlon Perkins
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Re: Dolt Cola
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:47:38
EID:d979 225bbde0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316636a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jan Deboer said to Richard Smith about Re: Dolt Cola:
JD> Hello Richard,
Hello Jan!
JD> It could be ICR material but it sounds more like an
JD> article from that respected scientific journal called
JD> "AWAKE" magazine, peddled door to door by Jehoover's
JD> Witless.
RS> Raghead as a Jehovah's Witless? I never considered that
RS> possibility?
JD> The 'giveaway' was the code phrase "Good News" scriptures
JD> in a message he posted.
JD> Confirmation should be simple...ask him what he got his
JD> wife for her birthday, or for xmas.
He just posted an extended message about that, but all I
could get out of it was that he kept trying different
positions with her, squeezing and hugging her and shit.
Bored ME to tears.
... Of course, I immediately got a hard-on and squeezed... -David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Damned Shoes
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:49:40
EID:0910 225bbe20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331663e4
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to Richard Smith about Damned Shoes:
RS> now, based on a (I believe it said) new running shoe that
RS> they're bringing out, called the Incubus. I kid you not.
RS> Angel. "I am thy God, Angel?" Someone's not being very
RS> bright somewhere along the line with that urban myth, or is
RS> pressing a political agenda. Incubus, or incubi, is a
KS> It's the same bunch of morons who play records backwards.
People with even less of a life than me. That's scarey.
KS> (It just occurred to me, they're probably pissed now
KS> that music is on CDs...they aren't that easy to
KS> reverse! Damn, that oughtta be on a Hallmark card . . .
KS> I'm pretty sure that's where I found it!
RS> When you care enough to send the very best . . . Glad
RS> to see you back, BTW . . .
KS> Tanks.
You're welcome.
KS> And NOODLES!
Oh my!
KS> Had a helluva time getting another connexion after my
KS> bbs went belly-up.
There's a lot of that going around . . .
... "PENNEcostal school, where God _is_ NOODLES!": Lynda Bustilloz
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:52:44
EID:6c90 225bbe80
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316649c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Richard Smith about Cracker Barrel boycott:
RS> You've never seen a male dog hump another male dog? You've
RS> never seen a male dog hump your leg? Where have you been?
DH> Christian dogs don't do that. They're afraid of going to
DH> dog-hell.
RS> You have to be right. I keep forgetting my canine dogma . . .
RS>
LB> Religion is going to the dogs...
I'm afraid my karma just ran over your dogma.
... Blind people don't bungee jump; it scares the dog too much.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Helen Keller
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:56:46
EID:7548 225bbf00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316658e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Richard Smith about Helen Keller:
RS> What a fucking loon. BTW, Helen Keller COULDN'T have said
RS> that line . . . she could not speak. Duh, Dav?
LB> Er, yes, she could.
Okay, YOU I believe, just on say so. Thanx for
confirmation. It's a good day when I learn something new.
LB> Helen Keller was the major spark for a change in the way
LB> society saw the deaf...prior to that, the typical
LB> response to them was to put them into an institution for
LB> the insane. And if you've ever read what Victorian
LB> insane asylums were like, you know that such a fate
LB> meant one WOULD be insane shortly after arriving, and
LB> dead not long after that.
Bedlam, for instance.
LB> Helen Kellers obvious intelligence and eloquence opened
LB> the doors for the deaf to be TAUGHT rather than written
LB> off. He teacher Ann Sullivan studied under Alexander
LB> Graham Bell, who was more known during his lifetime as a
LB> teacher of the deaf than he was for the invention of his
LB> little toy, the telephone.
LB> "There is much in the Bible against which every instinct
LB> of my being rebels, so much that I regret the necessity
LB> which has compelled me to read it through from beginning
LB> to end. I do not think that the knowledge which I have
LB> gained of its history and sources compensates me for the
LB> unpleasant details it has forced upon my attention."
LB> Helen Keller (1880-1968), U.S. author, lecturer. The
LB> Story of My Life, pt. 1, ch. 21 (1903).
Excellent. Dave Raghead could take lessons here on how to
cite a source. Thank you.
... Blind people don't bungee jump; it scares the dog too much.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Another molesting xian
|Date: 27 Feb 97 23:58:48
EID:3447 225bbf40
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33166608
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dan Ceppa said to Richard Smith about Another molesting xian:
DC> agree about the eating of tripe. There are just some
DC> things that no one should have to stomach.
MG> It takes intestinal fortitude.
DC> I'll save your comment for the appendix of my next book.
MG> Another high liver, I see.
DC> There are one duodenum around, I think.
MG> It gets bladder and bladder...
DC> Just colon can we keep this shit up?
RS> Until we've rectum?
DC> Darned nearly killed him, in fact. Thought all that would
DC> be left was sausage casings.
I'd rather listen to Menudo than have to hear all this tripe.
... "Is this sodomy?" asked Frank, half in Earnest.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: ...sat on a wall...
|Date: 28 Feb 97 06:33:50
EID:2265 225c3420
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c29e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Worrell said to All about ...sat on a wall...:
jb> I can post the quote from the Berlinski book that led
jb> me to make the claim,
RC> Go right ahead. This ought to be good.
jb> Wait a couple days: I just fought a new hard drive and
jb> I/O card to a standstill, and my IRQs, DMAs, and base
jb> addresses are (SN)AFU. It's Sunday, and I can't call
jb> the hardware people 'till tomorrow. I have too many
jb> adapter cards in this thing, and my scanner card is one
jb> of 'em.
DW> Do metafundies have metaSheneisms?
Looks like a quantum hard drive crash aggrivated by a
non-local I/O card.
John Brawly keeps quacking, and quacking, and quacking, and . . .
... John Brawley, the Energizer Fundy . . .
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ...
|Date: 28 Feb 97 06:38:52
EID:028c 225c34c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c3cc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to All about ...:
RS> Simpletons do that a lot.
dr> Do what a lot? Laugh at geeks with a temper they
dr> aren't man enough to express except behind a monitor a
dr> thousand miles away.
RS> Feel better now Dav? You've scared us all.
dr> Good. Nothing I like better than a terrorized
dr> zerotheist to smack around.
LB> ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It IS delicious, isn't it?
LB> No further comment.
Except I wonder how often he smacks Reesa around when he
can't find one of his imaginary zerotheists to smack around.
"Hi, I'm David Ragland, and I like to beat up my imaginary
playmates."
... Yep. I'm failing to _comprehend_ -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 28 Feb 97 06:49:54
EID:7d57 225c3620
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c662
* Carbons Sent to: David Ragland
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Jan Deboer about Etiquette Lesson:
JD> "Fervent patriotism as well as religious and
JD> revolutionary enthusiasm often serves as a refuge
JD> from a guily conscience." - Eric hoffer.
DR> Refuge from a what? :) Hey look at me!
c/what? :)/what? :)
c/Hey/Hey,
DR> I'm Richard Smith.
I must have been really ill recently.
DR> I can find spelling errors
c/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/!
Pity that:
a) that isn't the only type of error he makes, and . . .
b) he can't manage to find his own spelling errors, all too
often.
... Yep. I'm failing to _comprehend_ -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 28 Feb 97 06:49:56
EID:0a08 225c3620
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c664
* Original msg to: Jan Deboer
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Jan Deboer about Etiquette Lesson:
JD> "Fervent patriotism as well as religious and
JD> revolutionary enthusiasm often serves as a refuge
JD> from a guily conscience." - Eric hoffer.
DR> Refuge from a what? :) Hey look at me!
c/what? :)/what? :)
c/Hey/Hey,
DR> I'm Richard Smith.
I must have been really ill recently.
DR> I can find spelling errors
c/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/!
Pity that:
a) that isn't the only type of error he makes, and . . .
b) he can't manage to find his own spelling errors, all too
often.
... Yep. I'm failing to _comprehend_ -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Fundyskool logic
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:04:58
EID:364b 225c3880
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c9ea
* Carbons Sent to: David Ragland
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Jan Deboer about Fundyskool logic:
JD> It isn't up to us to 'disprove' your arrogant
JD> imbecilic delusions. It's up to you to support them
JD> with facts. Which hillbilly grade school did you say
JD> you dropped out of?
dr> ^^^^^^^
dr> I finished Hillbilly High thank ye! :P
c/High/High,
c/ye! :P/you! :P
He obviously matriculated with Jimson. It was probably a
circle jerk at the time. And why is he offering to lick
your ass? I think he's sweet on you, Jan!
dr> They taught us to leave the "ped"
c/"ped"/`-ped'
dr> off of "drop"
c/off of/off
c/"drop"/`drop'
dr> in a sentece
c/sentece/sentence
dr> like that thar one
c/that thar/the
dr> you just fudged, Girly. :)
c/Girly/Jan
c/. :)/. :)
Odd that he thinks [sic] that `dropped' is incorrect usage.
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, that usage is
both correct and standard:
drop (drahp) --verb: dropped, dropping
Hell, he can't even tell from the context what the correct
form is, judging by his post here.
I'm not surprized that Dav doesn't realize that you are a
man, Jan. Not ever having seen a real penis, that sort of
confusion would be natural for him.
dr> It's gonna be okay Jan.
c/okay Jan/okay, Jan
dr> Really. We're gonna be_good_ friends as soon as you
dr> submit to my authority
[sic]
dr> and intellectual superiority,
[sic]
dr> Girlchild.
He's DEFINITELY hitting on you now. I wonder if the Rhesus
knows that he's a fruit?
dr> I know that I said I was going to give you zerotheists
The WHAT?
dr> a break, but I think I'll keep you on as a student.
Oh, I bet you're overjoyed, eh Jan?
dr> Would you like to be the teacher's pet?
That way he can get rid of his goat, Speedbump.
dr> We can work something out I am sure.
You must have been sweet-talking this moron, Jan. He's
smitten with you. Do I note typical Xtian values here:
yelling loudly about how others talk and behave, yet attempt
to coddle infidelity from others . . . ?
dr> Don't stand... Don't stand... Don't stand so close to me...
dr> ~The Police
I bet he likes leather and domination. What IS it with all
these fundy bottoms?
... .........heeeee heeee hawwwww hardy -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Fundyskool logic
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:05:00
EID:4114 225c38a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316c9ec
* Original msg to: Jan Deboer
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Jan Deboer about Fundyskool logic:
JD> It isn't up to us to 'disprove' your arrogant
JD> imbecilic delusions. It's up to you to support them
JD> with facts. Which hillbilly grade school did you say
JD> you dropped out of?
dr> ^^^^^^^
dr> I finished Hillbilly High thank ye! :P
c/High/High,
c/ye! :P/you! :P
He obviously matriculated with Jimson. It was probably a
circle jerk at the time. And why is he offering to lick
your ass? I think he's sweet on you, Jan!
dr> They taught us to leave the "ped"
c/"ped"/`-ped'
dr> off of "drop"
c/off of/off
c/"drop"/`drop'
dr> in a sentece
c/sentece/sentence
dr> like that thar one
c/that thar/the
dr> you just fudged, Girly. :)
c/Girly/Jan
c/. :)/. :)
Odd that he thinks [sic] that `dropped' is incorrect usage.
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, that usage is
both correct and standard:
drop (drahp) --verb: dropped, dropping
Hell, he can't even tell from the context what the correct
form is, judging by his post here.
I'm not surprized that Dav doesn't realize that you are a
man, Jan. Not ever having seen a real penis, that sort of
confusion would be natural for him.
dr> It's gonna be okay Jan.
c/okay Jan/okay, Jan
dr> Really. We're gonna be_good_ friends as soon as you
dr> submit to my authority
[sic]
dr> and intellectual superiority,
[sic]
dr> Girlchild.
He's DEFINITELY hitting on you now. I wonder if the Rhesus
knows that he's a fruit?
dr> I know that I said I was going to give you zerotheists
The WHAT?
dr> a break, but I think I'll keep you on as a student.
Oh, I bet you're overjoyed, eh Jan?
dr> Would you like to be the teacher's pet?
That way he can get rid of his goat, Speedbump.
dr> We can work something out I am sure.
You must have been sweet-talking this moron, Jan. He's
smitten with you. Do I note typical Xtian values here:
yelling loudly about how others talk and behave, yet attempt
to coddle infidelity from others . . . ?
dr> Don't stand... Don't stand... Don't stand so close to me...
dr> ~The Police
I bet he likes leather and domination. What IS it with all
these fundy bottoms?
... .........heeeee heeee hawwwww hardy -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: Fundyskool logic
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:15:02
EID:2754 225c39e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316cc46
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Jan Deboer about Fundyskool logic:
dr> It's gonna be okay Jan. Really. We're gonna be _good_
dr> friends as soon as you submit to my authority and
dr> intellectual superiority, Girlchild.
``One can't believe impossible things.''
``I daresay you haven't had much practice,'' said the Queen.
``When I was your age, I always did it for a
half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as
six impossible things before breakfast.''
-- Lewis Carroll (1832-1898), English writer, mathematician
From where I sit, it looks like Dav's asked us to believe
six impossible things:
1: That anyone can be his friend.
2: That anyone would submit to him. (Sounds like a sexual
problem . . . he probably can't get it up for his
Rhesus.)
3: That he has any authority. (Poor sad Raghead . . . )
4: That his elementary skills in fingerpainting and
drooling constitutes superiority of ANY kind.
5: That he actually has the neurons that would allow such.
6: That Jan is a she, as he also believes Appletoon to be.
AFAIC, it's a good thing I don't stand the risk of beheading
at the moment. I just can't suspend disbelief in Raghead's
case.
And, FWIW, I'm enjoying this tremendously.
... Gotta be stupid to believe right? -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Robert Curry
|Sub: 1/2 Fundies
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:18:04
EID:d22a 225c3a40
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316ccfc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Robert Curry about 1/2 Fundies:
RC> ROFL! Your unwarranted bravado is most amusing.
RC> Please continue.
dr> Your unwarranted and unwanted post is most sickening.
dr> Please get probed. -!-
Uh, oh . . . looks like Raghead's stopped trying to pick up
Jan Deboer and is now hitting on you. Just don't turn your
back on him, and you should be safe.
... cheap sex is not cheap at all. -- David `Rough Rider' Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: John Musselwhite
|Sub: Information and Origi
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:25:06
EID:8d02 225c3b20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316cea2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to John Musselwhite about Information and Origi:
JM> Gee... you sound like Tony Ermie or Laurie Appleliar here,
dr> I was thinking about keeping you on as someone that I
dr> wanted to talk to until that comment.
Don't you feel privileged?
dr> I like Laurie a lot.
He thinks that Appletoon is a girl. Of course, he also
thinks that Jan Deboer is a girl. Hell, for all I know, he
may think that Tank Liberty-Parker and Anthony Rigor-Mortis
are both girls as well.
dr> You need your ass kicked, Goober!
dr> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL!
Live in fear, John . . .
dr> Hey Ricky Smith! Make tagline quote out of that one, wimp!
c/Make tagline/Make a tagline
Pretty brave from where he sits, isn't he? Isn't he just
about the most adorable lil' fella you ever saw?
One thing bothers me, though: it looks like we get more
content in a post by Jimson Staalin . . .
... Have any what? huh....duuuuuuhhhh....whut???????????????-David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Dork
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:28:08
EID:542f 225c3b80
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316cf58
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Lynda Bustilloz about Dork:
LB>:) If only we cared.
dr> Your care is expressed in your response, Jezebel.
Dav's whistling in the dark again. LOL . . . . . . isn't Jezebel the official entry
position into the Harpy League? Why has Dav demoted you?
Get his address. He needs a pie.
... as soon as you submit to my authority and intellectual superiority-DR
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Dork
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:34:10
EID:542f 225c3c40
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316d0c2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Lynda Bustilloz about Dork:
LB> Given your quote in the following message
LB> (repeated below), I'd say his delusion was in
LB> assuming you had ANY sex life.
dr> You know me not, woman. And yet you speak of
dr> assumptions. Cute.
This IS the same guy that just called you a Jezebel, thereby
denoting his fear of your feminine wiles, isn't it?
Methinks he doth protest too much. You hit a corn, you
nasty Harpy you. Do you stencil another fundy on the side
of your monitor now?
The problem with the idea of Raghead's sex life is that I
understand that it's illegal to have sex with barnyard
animals in most of the fifty states. Bet Raghead get's real
pushy with his baton around the prison . . .
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: 10 foot high and rising!
|Date: 28 Feb 97 07:38:12
EID:7468 225c3cc0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316d1b4
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Becke Boyer about 10 foot high and rising!:
BB> asked, "So where did the water go?" ;)
BB> Becke
dr> Where does the water from _any_ flood go?
Damn! He was right! He IS that stupid!
dr> If the polar ice caps
dr> were melted, would that not lead to a global deluge?
I am given to understand that if all the ice melted, sea
levels might rise a hundred or two feet. Hardly a deluge.
dr> I am not saying that it would.
Hell, he's not saying that he ties his own shoes, even.
dr> Just asking the question. Will you follow in your
dr> mentor's footsteps and be angry at my questions?
Which mentor is he speaking of? Maybe he meant Mentos. But
you don't eat Mentos, do you? AFAIAC, you don't eat
mentors either . . .
dr> We shall see...
Well, you will anyway. Dav's incapable of sustained thought
or vision.
He does seem to like you, though. Why do I get the
impression that he only hangs around here to hit on the
women? His Rhesus must be on the rag.
... As it turns out, I am actually "that" stupid. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: Re: Evidences for God
|Date: 28 Feb 97 08:02:14
EID:c2d7 225c4040
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3316d756
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Darryl Gonzalez about Re: Evidences for God:
dg> Nope. Only one. The others are just myths.
dr> Amen to that, Brother! One God and one God only!
Again, we see a claim but no substantiation, even after I
supplied Biblical quotes showing that the authors of the
Bible believed in multiple Gods. How convenient for the
Raghead triplets (Hi, this is my brother Darryl and my other
brother Ken!) to ignore what makes them uncomfortable.
dr> The
dr> question is regularly asked, "With all the sacred books
dr> of various religions, all of which claim to be the true,
dr> how can anyone be sure that the Bible is the true word
dr> of God, without first examining all the others?"
Good point. Let the waffling officially begin NOW:
dr> Thankfully, truth is not availed by a process of
dr> elimination.
Not always, but sometimes it is. Dav's a first class moron,
I have to say.
dr> The fact that two plus two equals four and
dr> only four can be proven without looking at every other
dr> number. And so it is with the Bible: It's validity can
dr> be determined from examining _it_ alone.
Okay, so now he's going to give his evidence . . .
. . . hmmm, I guess not. Maybe he doesn't have any?
dr> Did you see the attempts posted in here to me to refute
dr> the infallibility of the Bible? :)
Did anyone here attempt to refute the infallibility of the
Bible? David's lying again . . .
dr> What is your reaction to some of this stuff?
*L*O*F*L*!*!*!*
He has NO answers, so he's asking Darryl?
dr> I see most of it as refutable right off the top
dr> of my head without even looking in the Bible.
Too bad he couldn't do it, then. Perhaps this is the
problem: he's actually unable to read the Bible or
comprehend it.
dr> For example, one of the zerotheistfundies sent
One of the WHAT? I sent it, and I'm a Wiccan.
dr> me some garbage like the following:
I do appreciate him admitting that the Bible is garbage,
though.
dr> Question: Why would a perfect garden (Eden) require
dr> tending and cultivation? (Gen. 3:15)
dr> My Answer: Nowhere in Gen. 3:15 does it say one
dr> blessed thing about tending and cultivation.
Ah, this is correct . . . the post I got that from has it
wrongly attributed to Genesis 3:15, when in actuallity it is
Genesis 2:15. Sorry to pass the error on, I'll correct it
in my text files ASAP. Now, let me ask Raghead again:
Question: Why would a perfect garden (Eden) require
tending and cultivation? (Gen. 2:15)
Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into
the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Let's see if he can answer it without running away . . .
dr> _Some_ of it is good stuff to examine for the purpose of
dr> making the scriptures clear to those who have questions.
Too bad he didn't back any of this up, isn't it?
dr> It's a good exercise in disproving overemphasize
dr> attempts to discredit the Bible,
Too bad he didn't do so, isn't it?
dr> but the rubbish they
dr> posted is not hardly a refutation of scriptural
dr> veracity. :)
`I be Dav Raghead, and I done studied English under Jimson
Staalin . . . '
One wonders why he's afraid to respond to the post I made,
then.
dr> One wonders why they think it is. (sigh)
One wonders if Dav can think at all.
dr> I guess they will believe anything to deny an authority.
Does Dav mean like believe the Bible to refute the Bible?
LOL!
dr> It would seem that a purely juvenile, delinquent
dr> mentality exists within the confines of the atheist
dr> cranium.
Apparently Dav's a mind-reader. Too bad he is receiving,
but can't transmit.
RS> probes. Following your line of reasoning [sic], they would
dr> What is this ==> [sic] ? I have asked others to no avail.
LOL!!!
What a fucking moron.
DG> Can you even read?
dr> One wonders. :)
Apparently, I can read well enough to use the Bible to
refute the Bible. And I don't have to ask someone else
who's even more braindead than I am for help in running away
from a list that frightens me.
... This is a lie. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: Dave's Thinking Critical
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:49:16
EID:ea6f 225c7620
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331736bc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Darryl Gonzalez about Critical Thinking 1/2:
dg> I deplore your accusations. You have totally ignored my message
dg> and have chosen to resort to constant personal attack. Fine.
dr> That is what this guy and his cronies do best. It's
dr> ineffective, as proof they have any modicum of
c/ineffective, as proof they/ineffective as proof that they
c/any modicum/ _redundancy_
Amazing. TWO startlingly clueless individuals!
dr> intellect, but it would seem to be _all_ that they can
dr> do. Well... that and learn by wrote from texts written
c/.../ . . .
c/wrote/rote
Apparently, non-rote learning has failed Dav.
dr> by fellow zerotheistfundies to further control their
c/zerotheistfundies/ _unknown_
dr> minds. I had a little fun with one of his posts and it
dr> seems to have caused him to make me his lil' pet project
c/lil'/little
dr> of late. Well... my response to his post and the fact
c/.../ . . .
dr> that I didn't talk nice to his little buddy, the
dr> Molecular Minded Bio-"lie"-gist. He expressed a lot of
c/Molecular Minded/Molecular-Minded
c/Bio-"lie"-gist/Biologist
Which biologist is Raghead referring to here?
dr> passion about what I said to that guy, did he not? Methinks
[sic]
c/Methinks/I think
dr> there is a really unhealthy, even suspect relationship there.
Even more unhealthy than this mutual admiration circle-jerk
session with Gonzalez?
dr> Did you see all the posts that I got from him? It was
dr> a real stupidzerotheistfundyfest. His name should now
c/stupidzerotheistfundyfest/embarrassment to myself.
dr> be Richard "look at how silly I can be" Smith! LOL!
c/"look at how silly I can be"/`look-at-how-silly-I-can-be'
c/! LOL!/! LOL!
Dav IS pretty self-amusing, isn't he?
dr> He sunk to new lows in that he used
c/sunk/has sunk//or//sank
Poor Dav. Not having me around for the first few weeks of
his visit here, he seems to be unaware or prepared for my
working technique.
dr> things like misspelled words and minor grammatical flaws
dr> to say that I am stupid.
Actually, no . . . I say he's stupid regardless of if he can
spell some words or not.
dr> Yet, I can point out similar problems with his composition.
He could, if there were many. He still outnumbers me in
those by about thirteen or more to one.
dr> He also took quotations out of context and formed tag-"lie"-lines.
c/tag-"lie"-lines/taglines
As if I was the only one that ever formed taglines from what
people said. Each tagline I have from this asshole is exact
in it's meaning. He's just sorry that he acted so stupid, so
as to provide others with ammo. What a putz!
dr> A lot of work on his part for the purpose of toying
dr> with lil' ol' me. I feel so important. :)
c/lil'/little
c/ol'/old
c/important/impotent
It wasn't so much work as a labor of love.
dr> It's fun to do this stuff, I suppose and Lord
Who?
dr> knows I have had my fun with it. The truth is that it
dr> is conducive to nothing more than a childish distraction,
dr> though. I have had my fill and wasted enough time.
So he says. This parting speech is longer than Waiting for
Godot, and not nearly as entertaining.
dr> None of the zerotheists seemed to notice
c/zerotheists/ ????
. . . or cared to notice . . .
dr> that I wore several masks while talking to them.
Someone should point out to him that only Jimson likes games
of peek-a-boo.
dr> None of the masks
dr> were indicative of who I _really_ am and ne'er will that
c/ne'er/never
I don't know about that, I'm willing to bet that most of us
consider him to be a sexist, abusive, holier-than-thou fundy
idiot. Am I far wrong? Of course, at least one of us
suspects that he's Al.
dr> be revealed during all that juvenile raillery. It's not
dr> important that they know _me_, but that they know God!
Which God? And at this point, rather than engaging in
actual discussion, how does he suggest that we will know his
Deity? If he's a prime example of Xtian manhood, I'd much
rather remain a Pagan.
dr> I think
[sic]
dr> I am just going to post my anti- atheist articles that I
c/anti- atheist/anti-athiest
dr> write in here and not answer any of the stupid attacks.
The only kind he knows how to make.
dr> I now have their attention if would seem. :)
How Brawleyesque.
dr> The fact that they hate us
"Oh, please, make me a martyr . . . "
dr> It's mind over matter.
From the size of his mind, that doesn't matter.
dr> If someone has a _valid_ question, fine.
Too bad that, like the coward he is, he ran away from all
the valid questions posed him so far, eh?
dr> I have failed to see many of those in here however.
Of course. Fundy to the bone.
dr> So, I am sure they won't take up much of my time! LOL!
Or attention span. Now, back to the circle-jerk . . .
dg> I felt that the sender was comparing all Christians to the likes
dg> of Adolf Hitler. My point was that I do not like that comparison
dg> personally, nor is it a valid one. We Christians are not cruel
dg> people, determined to kill whoever we want to. Adolf Hitler was
dg> that way. He chose to pick on Jews (and, by the way, many
dg> Christians died trying to protect those Jews), and as a result,
dg> six
dr> Great point! The fact that Hitler had fractured and malevolent
dr> beliefs that he called Christian was not the fault of
dr> Christianity, but the fault of evolution theory, if you want to
dr> blame doctrines.
This from the man who suggests beating women, and tries to
intimidate people physically over the modem? LOL . . .
dr> Just look at what has resulted in our global society as a
dr> result of so many people not believing in divine Creation.
Evidence?
Ndr> I suppose the best way to encapsulate the message here is
Ndr> to say that to believe design has no part in our creation
_Intelligent_ design.
Ndr> is to take away any possible purpose for our existence.
Why do we need a purpose to exist?
Ndr> And to do so takes our purpose negates any responsibility
Ndr> being enjoined us for
c/purpose negates/purpose and negates
c/enjoined/enjoined with
Ndr> our actions. History is rife with examples of men who have
Ndr> sought to justify their evil actions and precepts based on
Ndr> the concept that no Creator can possibly exist thus, we must
Ndr> emulate nature in our self-government, according to these _maniacs_.
Dav's Gospel, according to the Animaniacs . . .
Ndr> ====================================
[Stupid Durant Quote deleted]
Ndr> ====================================
Ndr> Will Durant
. . . , a known racist. Nice to see you back, Al.
Ndr> Durant's assessment is correct
Evidence?
Ndr> In a Universe that is devoid of meaning and purpose, created
Ndr> indiscrimantly by nature, why shouldn't the more intelligent and
Ndr> more powerful among us manipulate those they consider subhuman for
Ndr> "whatever" purpose they deem "good" or "worthy"?
Dav extolls fascism. What a surprize. Isn't controlling
another's speech, actions, and thoughts attempting to do
likewise?
Ndr> If we have no purpose in life and are to answer to no divine
Ndr> authority in the hereafter, what happens to societal and
Ndr> individual ethics?
Nothing that I've seen, so far.
Ndr> Well, in present day America, we have a party in power that has
Ndr> an agenda to make innocent babies vulnerable to indiscriminant
Ndr> extermination while protecting miscreants by taking away our arms
Ndr> we use to defend ourselves.
As opposed to the previous administration that had an agenda
to wipe out all life on the planet through thermonuclear war
if it didn't get what it wanted, that decided to bankrupt
future generations by over-spending today, that encouraged
the hostage crisis in Iran, that encouraged the sale by big
government agencies of cocaine, etc., to blacks in Los
Angeles, etc.,?
Ndr> In spite of what Clinton, for example, has shown us, he
Ndr> will apparently be reelected and will assay to bring his
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ndr> fellows to power with him.
Please note here how Al, err, Dav has taken someone else's
words and is appropriating them for his own.
Ndr> Historically, we see examples of how evolutionary thinking
Ndr> has corrupted the way mankind treats it's own self.
Evidence?
Ndr> Principally, the Nazi and Communist atrocities are the causation
Ndr> of our having witnessed some of the most horrific events in human
Ndr> history. Nazi Germany was bad enough and Communism is
Ndr> responsible for approximately 25 times the number of deaths
Ndr> caused by Hitler. Reference for the numbers in the last statement
Ndr> is: "Declassified KGB Records; Warning To The West" by Aleksandr
Ndr> Solzhenitsyn
What about the citation for the rest of it? And so you cite
a known fiction writer (unless you think Ivan Denesovitch
was a real person) as perhaps making some statements about
numbers. Note that no actual numbers were quoted. Maybe
they were Brawly's non-local numbers.
[Much TLP-type ranting deleted.]
Ndr> One may ask, "What does any of this have to do with naturalistic
Ndr> evolution? Well, is not evolution based on the premise that time
Ndr> plus the impersonal (matter) plus chance formed all living
Ndr> things?
LOL. No, it doesn't.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: All
|Sub: Dave's Thinking Critical
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:51:18
EID:ea6f 225c7660
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33173736
( . . . Continued from Previous Post)
Ndr> Does this not portray man as being a tragic accident
Ndr> having no ultimate value or purpose?
Does Al, err, Dav have any evidence that man is not?
[More plagiarized fascism rants deleted]
dg> About critical thinking: Yes, I did think critically. Before
dg> becoming a Christian, I explored atheism, Judaism, Islam,
dg> agnosticism, and a few others. After some study, I came to the
dg> conclusion that Christ is indeed the truth (John 14:6) as He
dg> claimed to be. My study since becoming a Christian has only
dg> served to confirm this truth.
dr> Praise God
Which God?
dr> that _some_ do see the light! :)
What light?
Having witnessed this circle-jerk, I'd like to postulate a
law, the Christian Collusion Corollary: that any given
number of fundies, when overwhelmed with evidence that they
are not able to refute, and when faced with folks they
canNOT convert, will fall back and proselytize to each other
until such a time as they believe themselves strong enough
to try again.
... You're an alligator mouth on a chimpmunk ass. -- John Halfwitt
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 28 Feb 97 14:58:20
EID:65e6 225c7740
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331738dc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Mark Kimes about ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW:
MK> Try to get this through your thick troll's skull: We
MK> don't "believe" gods don't exist.
dr> Yeah ya do.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
-- Dean Warner. You should have listened to him,
Flounder.
MK> We simply don't believe in gods, as no one, including
MK> you, has offered any reason to believe that they do.
dr> Yeah I have.
LOL . . . liar . . .
MK> If you're going to play the game, try to play it better
MK> than this. Even real fundies aren't _quite_ as stupid
MK> as you pretend to be.
dr> Duuuuuuuhhhhhh! Wish I had real good answer for that one.
dr> I better get Jim Bob and Bubba ta hep me out....
Thanks for confirmation.
dr> How is it that a carpenter... born of people whose great
dr> teachers were narrow, sour, pedantic legalists, was the
dr> supreme religious teacher the world has ever known...
dr> the most important figure in the world's history, Mark?
You haven't show that he was, yet.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Alternative Or Straw
|Date: 28 Feb 97 15:14:22
EID:cf1b 225c79c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33173c9e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Dan Ceppa about ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW:
dr> So, you sit a world away and do through a keyboard that
dr> which you are too petrified to do in face to face
dr> scenarios.
Brave words from a man who told me to beat a woman, and who
tries to intimidate through his modem, eh? I bet Dav's just
a clerk who wets himself if he get's a paper cut.
dr> You can continue to do so because of _real_
dr> men like me, by the way. Today, me and mine kicked in
dr> doors and served warrants so that profane lil' pencil
dr> necked geeks like yourself can continue to safely sit
dr> and peck out that which is meaningless. You are
dr> welcome...
And now he thinks he's a policeman, refuting his earlier
statement about what he did for a living.
Aren't you bored yet? I know *I* am.
... Yep. My reasoning abiblities are pretty bad. -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: New Moderator?
|Date: 28 Feb 97 15:19:24
EID:1c36 225c7a60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33173dcc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
David Ragland said to Joe Seatter about [1/2] Fundies:
dr> Get with the program, Sonny. You're wasting echo space.
Have you taken a new Moderator and not let us know? As
you'll note, this isn't the first time he's done this. Or
is he just a deputy?
... You need your ass kicked, Goober! -- Good Xtian David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples 1/
|Date: 28 Feb 97 20:09:26
EID:9ffe 225ca120
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331781c6
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Young said to Rod Swift about Exemplifying examples 1/:
RodS> Remember Colorado Amendment 2?
ky> AH, but shouldn't something become law, if that is
ky> what the majority of the public truly wants?
The majority of people in this country want legalized
abortion. So it's okay?
... According to Ken Young, Xtians who bugger small boys are still Xtians.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Alternative A
|Date: 28 Feb 97 20:27:28
EID:c127 225ca360
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33178600
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to David Ragland about Alternative A:
RS> Oh, and by the way, WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH! There are
RS> ladies present.
dr> With the exception of Laurie, who are you referring to?
KS> Laurie is not a lady. He claims to be human; however
KS> that allegation is far from proven.
I'm not even sure he's mammalian . . .
KS> No big surprise, however, that you 'like' him.
What IS a big surprize is how many stupid fundies seem to be
in the closet around here. I can't imagine that anyone
would be attracted to such. Raghead, Jelly Boy, Staalin . . .
I tell you, I'd become straight if I were gay and confronted
with those choices . . .
... ............yup yessiree bob de bob de bob!! -- David Ragland
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Etiquette Lesson
|Date: 28 Feb 97 20:31:30
EID:5f0d 225ca3e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 331786f2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to David Ragland about Etiquette Lesson:
JD> "Fervent patriotism as well as religious and
JD> revolutionary enthusiasm often serves as a refuge
JD> from a guily conscience." - Eric hoffer.
dr> Refuge from a what? :) Hey look at me! I'm Richard
dr> Smith. I can find spelling errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KS> And this, three posts after castigating
Hey, hey, hey . . . watch it!
KS> Richard Smith for misspelling 'erroneous'.
Yep. Can you say sanctimonious little shit? Uh hunh, I
knew you could. However, with him hitting on Jan and
Laurie, it's becoming more clear as time goes on just what
kind of a closet case he is.
KS> Why don't you take a break from the keyboard and go out
KS> in the street and beat up on some more citizens?
BARNEY FIFE ALERT! BARNEY FIFE ALERT!
Why should he even have to go outside, his wife is there . . .
I'm sure she's run into a few doors in her married life.
... *Barney*Fife*Alert* David Ragland's loose! *Barney*Fife*Alert*
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: ...
|Date: 01 Mar 97 07:17:32
EID:c6bd 22613a20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33181e5c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Jason Harmon about ...:
ky> Part of it, I believe, was that Christ was willing to
ky> pay such a high price for our chance at salavation.
Christ had to pay a high price so that we could salivate?
You mean no one was able to spit before that?
... Gays cannot be saved, and will go to Hell. -- Ken `Closet Case' Young
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Evidences for ? B
|Date: 01 Mar 97 09:45:34
EID:e31e 22614da0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3318410e
* Carbons Sent to: Darryl Gonzalez
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Darryl Gonzalez about Evidences for ? B:
LB> Gee, Darryl, loved the two miles of quoting you left on
LB> the top of this..
That's only because Darryl is netiquettely challenged. And
he doesn't listen when people give him advice on how to
format his messes, err, messages . . .
RS> AAMOF, I feel so confident about this, that I'm going to
RS> make a prediction. I'm predicting that you find some way of
RS> running away from this rather than dealing with it, like you
RS> did with David Worrell. That seems to be about your speed:
RS> make a bunch of claims, feign great personal injury and
RS> pique, and then run away. Another Coward for Christ. And
RS> you wonder where we get the stereotypes from, don't you
RS> Darryl?
dg> First, I didn't run from David Worrell.
Darryl said he wasn't going to respond to David Worrell any
longer. That IS running away. It may make Darryl feel
better to think that he's on top of it, but believe me, his
shoe leather is slapping asphalt right now, heading straight
away from this. And note: he never said word one about the
main thrust of this, that he was running away from me. He
just clipped on the odometer and headed off. AAMOF, I never
saw this post from him, so either it got lost somewhere, or
he posted it to someone else. I'll have to go look again.
If he posted it to someone else, then that would be JUST as
cowardly.
dg> I don't know what you're talking about in that regard.
Selective memory. First sign of incipient cretinism.
dg> Secondly, because I know the truth is on my side, you
dg> can call me a liar all you want to & it won't hurt me.
Now, WHY does Darryl wish me to call him a liar?
I don't recall calling him a liar.
In this, Darryl is clearly a liar.
NOW I have pointed out that he's a liar.
Ah, _that's_ why he wished I'd called him the liar instead:
so I would be the liar INSTEAD of him. Another Liar for the
Lord.
LB> Um, and HOW do you "know" the truth is on your side.
He read it on a Bazooka Comic margin.
LB> Which Truth is that?
That he waffles uncontrollably in fright when confronted
with honest questions?
LB> And how is it something you KNOW rather than believe?
He knows it in the Biblical sense. That must be why all the
pages in his Bible stick together like that.
dg> I'm just tired of the fact that you can't JUSTIFY your
dg> stupid claim.
What stupid claim did I make? What stupid claim did I
attempt to justify? I said Darryl was running away, and he
himself said as much when he told me AND David Worrell that
he wasn't going to interface with us anymore, for some
reason roughly equivocating that we didn't play fair.
I don't know about David, but I was crushed.
LB> :) Many of us think the same about you and your claims.
As opposed to many of us KNOWING the same about him and his
claims?
dg> And finally, I am no coward. I don't run away from a fight.
Second lie, Big D. Is your Lord proud of your Lies? Is
that why you beLIEve?
This IS an official `IS NOT,' isn't it Lynda?
dg> What you don't understand is that instead of fighting
dg> me, you should be listening to Jesus.
Let Christ post here, and we'll see. I don't see why *I*
need to listen to Christ, but if he drags his nasty and
dusty old ass out of the grave and posts here, I'll at least
read it. As a Wiccan, I have nothing to do with him and his
ilk, normally, and I don't give them any credence after
centuries of persecution, genocide, etc., by them.
LB> hehe, you don't run from a fight, you just duck behind
LB> your invisible jesus..
Hmmm . . . Jesus Christ AS Big Brother. I like it. It
fits.
LB> Darryl, unfortunately, Jesus doesn't seem to be here, so
LB> would you, as his representative, care to offer any (dare
LB> I say it) evidence that he exists, and why we 'should' be
LB> listening to him?
Watch out, Lynda . . . Darryl will turn on you next.
There's no telling what a Coward for Christ will do . . .
... According to Darryl, folks will glorify JC by choice or by force later
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: Evidences for ? B
|Date: 01 Mar 97 09:45:36
EID:f7c0 22614da0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33184110
* Original msg to: Lynda Bustilloz
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Darryl Gonzalez about Evidences for ? B:
LB> Gee, Darryl, loved the two miles of quoting you left on
LB> the top of this..
That's only because Darryl is netiquettely challenged. And
he doesn't listen when people give him advice on how to
format his messes, err, messages . . .
RS> AAMOF, I feel so confident about this, that I'm going to
RS> make a prediction. I'm predicting that you find some way of
RS> running away from this rather than dealing with it, like you
RS> did with David Worrell. That seems to be about your speed:
RS> make a bunch of claims, feign great personal injury and
RS> pique, and then run away. Another Coward for Christ. And
RS> you wonder where we get the stereotypes from, don't you
RS> Darryl?
dg> First, I didn't run from David Worrell.
Darryl said he wasn't going to respond to David Worrell any
longer. That IS running away. It may make Darryl feel
better to think that he's on top of it, but believe me, his
shoe leather is slapping asphalt right now, heading straight
away from this. And note: he never said word one about the
main thrust of this, that he was running away from me. He
just clipped on the odometer and headed off. AAMOF, I never
saw this post from him, so either it got lost somewhere, or
he posted it to someone else. I'll have to go look again.
If he posted it to someone else, then that would be JUST as
cowardly.
dg> I don't know what you're talking about in that regard.
Selective memory. First sign of incipient cretinism.
dg> Secondly, because I know the truth is on my side, you
dg> can call me a liar all you want to & it won't hurt me.
Now, WHY does Darryl wish me to call him a liar?
I don't recall calling him a liar.
In this, Darryl is clearly a liar.
NOW I have pointed out that he's a liar.
Ah, _that's_ why he wished I'd called him the liar instead:
so I would be the liar INSTEAD of him. Another Liar for the
Lord.
LB> Um, and HOW do you "know" the truth is on your side.
He read it on a Bazooka Comic margin.
LB> Which Truth is that?
That he waffles uncontrollably in fright when confronted
with honest questions?
LB> And how is it something you KNOW rather than believe?
He knows it in the Biblical sense. That must be why all the
pages in his Bible stick together like that.
dg> I'm just tired of the fact that you can't JUSTIFY your
dg> stupid claim.
What stupid claim did I make? What stupid claim did I
attempt to justify? I said Darryl was running away, and he
himself said as much when he told me AND David Worrell that
he wasn't going to interface with us anymore, for some
reason roughly equivocating that we didn't play fair.
I don't know about David, but I was crushed.
LB> :) Many of us think the same about you and your claims.
As opposed to many of us KNOWING the same about him and his
claims?
dg> And finally, I am no coward. I don't run away from a fight.
Second lie, Big D. Is your Lord proud of your Lies? Is
that why you beLIEve?
This IS an official `IS NOT,' isn't it Lynda?
dg> What you don't understand is that instead of fighting
dg> me, you should be listening to Jesus.
Let Christ post here, and we'll see. I don't see why *I*
need to listen to Christ, but if he drags his nasty and
dusty old ass out of the grave and posts here, I'll at least
read it. As a Wiccan, I have nothing to do with him and his
ilk, normally, and I don't give them any credence after
centuries of persecution, genocide, etc., by them.
LB> hehe, you don't run from a fight, you just duck behind
LB> your invisible jesus..
Hmmm . . . Jesus Christ AS Big Brother. I like it. It
fits.
LB> Darryl, unfortunately, Jesus doesn't seem to be here, so
LB> would you, as his representative, care to offer any (dare
LB> I say it) evidence that he exists, and why we 'should' be
LB> listening to him?
Watch out, Lynda . . . Darryl will turn on you next.
There's no telling what a Coward for Christ will do . . .
... According to Darryl, folks will glorify JC by choice or by force later
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ...
|Date: 01 Mar 97 09:49:38
EID:028c 22614e20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 33184202
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Dan Ceppa about ...:
DC> second place, she had you, an abortion that should have
DC> died, Captain.
dr> Actually, I am a Major
. . . asshole . . .
dr> . Fur real, dude. BTW, come to Louisiana and
dr> commit a felony real soon, ok. :)
LB> Hehe...don'cha love it when the little chestbeaters
LB> try to threaten through a modem. ;)
It is cute, in a twisted sort of way. Hope Barney Fife here
hasn't hurt any of the four or five little hairs there by
such thumping . . .
... *Barney*Fife*Alert* David Ragland's on the loose! *Barney*Fife*Alert*
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ...
|Date: 01 Mar 97 10:07:40
EID:028c 226150e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3318463c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to David Ragland about ...:
Uhm, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you were
trying to send me this post, rather than to David Ragland,
which is where it was addressed. If I'm wrong, just ignore
this.
LB> Richard and David were killing time yakking about ...:
RS> Dav? She was inviting your next assinine claim. Go ahead,
RS> just open your mouth. I'm sure one will float out.
dr> You're sure? Like real sure? Then go sit in the corner
dr> and talk with the rest of the zerotheistfundies. Leave me
dr> alone as I am a waste of your time.
LB> Hehe...a new tagline for your file...
Deputy Fife here has been a goldmine of such taglines. He
makes Jimson Staalin look erudite by comparison.
LB> On a totally unrelated subject, could you netmail me
LB> from your archives the exchange between Al and me on the
LB> Dark Ages? I know you said you had my commentary, if you
LB> have HIS assertions which sparked it, I'd like those as
LB> well. There was an online friend who does not
LB> participate here in Holysmoke who helped point me to
LB> some resources on the subject that is requesting to see
LB> the outcome. :) Thanks.
I will take a look and see if I can still find them. I know
I saved them, but . . . it may take me a bit to locate them.
I will probably have to send them through my Juno account as
well, since I'm still having trouble with the BBS. Look for
them in a few days if I can find them . . .
Addendum: I just found out that you meant this post for Dan.
Oh, well, it's still fun to post it. I had wondered how you
knew that I'd archived some of Al's stuff, but just assumed
that you had that special Harpy vision trained on me or
soemthing similar . . . Or maybe I need a real stupid
reason for not correcting this:
: Ah would have
stopped this post, but the mail had already gone out.
Praise Gawd.
... Inherit the Windbag. -- A. Schroeder
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Dork
|Date: 01 Mar 97 10:04:42
EID:542f 22615080
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 3318458a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to David Ragland about Dork:
LB>:) If only we cared.
dr> Your care is expressed in your response, Jezebel.
LB> Bless you! I *knew* there was a reason why I was
LB> enjoying your presence in the echo.
LB> I was just the other night deploring how long it had been
LB> since a Holysmoke whacko had graced me with a new nickname.
LB> Hey Hector! Worrell! I haven't lost my touch!
LB> Catty Bitch - John Prewett
LB> Goddess of Atheism - Jim "Steiny" Steingrobe
LB> Harpy - Al Schroeder
LB> Jezebel - Dave Ragland
Hmmm . . . I thought it was Mimi who first called you a
Harpy. I admit, I could be wrong. Just wondering.
... Did you eat the pie & get some itches? Must've been them Harpy Bitches
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: You forgot to answer this...
|Date: 01 Mar 97 19:07:02
EID:9636 226198e0
Whilst masticating on , Ken Young (1:270/420)
wrote to Alan Hess:
KY>> Nope.. Now, if they switched to Messianic Jew, on the other
KY>> hand, that would be another story..
AH>> A so-called Messianic Jew is a Christian, not a Jew.
KY> One can't be a Christian Jew?
No. The two are mutually exclusive.
--- Msged/2 4.10
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Bathroom Staal knows what he is
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:05:06
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 d2288c78
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a1
SA> Actually, whether he does or not, he fervently hopes that YOU do not.
ijS> I really hope they do. This man has quite a penchant for inventing
iJS> things that I allegedly say/think.
DC> He must work really hard, as you have never demonstated to be
DC> remotely capable of doing the later.
js> All this from the master of 'deep thoughts'. :)
Have any evidence for those gods of yours, homophobic, woman-hating bigot?
Any at all? Well?
I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
How about that hatred of yours, dear? Looks good, doesn't it?
No, these things all happened because you shouted it out that you were
gay. If you had kept it to yourself, these things would not have
happened to you, now would they. - Jim Staal
How about that one, huh? Think your gods are going to applaud that bit
of hate rhetoric, dear?
"I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem
to particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart
from God even further than do pagan men." - Jim Staal
There's another piece of your true self, right?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Are you willfully cherishing known sin? - Phil Morrison
Nah....I've been looking for new ones... - Gwenny The Pooh
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: Fabrications
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:09:26
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a58
REPLY: 1:115/477.0 8AA0178A
PID: FM 2.02
> FR> > FR>Ah, yes. The ole "Not True Mormon" dodge. The desire to demand
> that >all > >the Mormon criminals are incapable of doing what they did
and
thus the
>onus > >of correcting the problem falls upon the atheists.
th> So, you fabricated the whole thing?
FR>That's one way to try to convince yourself the Mormon cult is somehow
>better than the rest of the Christian death cult: Ignore the whole issue
>and ask a rhetorical question.
th> No, I asked a real question.
And your damage control after the fact only drives you further into the
absurd. But then you're doing it for your death gods so all deceptions will
be forgiven, right? You know that Mormons easilly murder, rape, and torture
just like any other Christian yet you want to try your best to deny the
fact, huh?
th> Your story is that you know of a woman, a
th> Wiccan, who has been abused by her husband.
No, "my story" is the Mormon death cult masters who slaughtered entire families
in a bizarre Mormon "blood atonement" ritual. The death cult masters in
charge were Bishop Jeffrey Lundgren and his church.
And yet for some oh-so-very-mysterious reason you want to first demand that
the story is a fabrication and, when you're not allowed to get away with
the deception, to flail about helplessly and accuse those who know about
the death cult of changing the subject.
Might I suggest you learn the origins and the history of the Mormon cult?
If you would like more information on the Bishop Lundgren slaughters I can
provide the references for the court proceedings.
But then your masters won't let you review what your death cult is all about,
huh?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Power is one thing...the wisdom to wield it quite another. - Satan
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: Fabrications
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:12:17
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a59
REPLY: 1:115/477.0 8AA0178B
PID: FM 2.02
> (Continued from previous message)
>th> thinking that you have produced no more than a red (i.e., ripe) herring.
> FR>But then you can't produce the names of any of these "others" you can
see
>yet no one else can. Provide some names, sweet pea. I want names of
>people who claim that the Lundgren murders never happened.
th> Hehehe! You are truly funny and laughable. With the posts that are
th> accompanying the message that I'm responding to, you've introduced
th> something that has nothing to do with why I responded. These "other"
th> people were referring to your own story of the Wiccan woman that was
th> being abused by her husband.
Amazing. I've always known that Mormons are as dishonest and delusional
as any Assemblies of God fundamentalist.
Do you think you "win one" for your gods by deceiving yourself?
And let's not allow you to forget that the Lundgrens _WERE_ Mormons and
that the Lundgrens _WERE_ employing deadly Mormon temple rituals when they
tortured, murdered, and then burried their victims in the dirt floor of
their barn.
But then you're not allowed to know the truth about the Mormon cult, huh?
I'l bet you were lied to about the Mormon death cult's magic underwear as
well.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Furthermore, if evolution were true, evolution would be natural.
There weren't chemist and biologists around 3000 million years
ago to direct it. - Bruce Willis
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: Mormongate
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:17:37
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a5a
REPLY: 1:115/477.0 8AA0178C
PID: FM 2.02
>next visit will see me initiating legal action against this church and
its
>representatives. You tell me why I should cut these assholes some slack.
>If they don't want embarrassment, all they need to do is remove one name
>from their little black books.
> Hm. I'm puzzled as to why your wishes haven't been honored (I know you
> don't know why), because the husband *is* the head of the house, even
if
Lovely sexist bigotry, Tom. Traditional Christanic bigotry.
The Mormon death cult _never_ removes people from their victims list. Even
when the death cult performs the Satanic "excommunication" rituals on their
victims they remain in the death cult's records. The cult maintains four
listsof victims and they _never_ remove people names from them; they move
names from one list to another.
_LEARN_ a little about the death cult, Tom.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ All you non-believers may think you have won by getting me to
quit this board... - Wade Williamson
Hardly. We win when you learn to think. - Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Male dogs?
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:18:12
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a5b
REPLY: 1:270/420.0 3317cd80
PID: FM 2.02
RS> You've never seen a male dog hump another male dog? You've
RS> never seen a male dog hump your leg? Where have you been?
FR> Well? Answer the question, Ken. We're waiting.
ky> It isn't that they are gay, but that they may go after anything at all.
You're not even trying to sound rational any more, huh?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You and all the other atheists in this echo are all sloth pigs, who
don't give a damn about life, and are going nowhere in it.
- Christopher Calabrese
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: I can help, by the way
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:23:07
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a5c
REPLY: 1:115/477.0 8AA0178C
PID: FM 2.02
By the way... If you would like to learn more about the Mormon death cult
and the criminal activities, please let me know. I would be willing to
type in fragments of the court transcripts for a number of Mormon atrocities
which resulted in the inprisonment and later execution of Mormon death cult
masters.
I can see you need help escaping. Let me help, won't you?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I would have answered it. However, I am not going to be ordered
around by you. Therefore, no answer will be offered. - Michael Hardy
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Darryl Gonzalez
|Sub: J.J. NEEDS TO BE
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:24:43
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a5d
REPLY: 1:383/6293 330D1886
PID: FM 2.02
> My God can do and has done something about evil: He sent His Son, Jesus
> Christ, to defeat Satan, by dying on the cross at Calvary to be the
> perfect
Gee. Just like Mithra 380 years before the Jesus mythos. Looks like another
god beat yours to the punch, dear.
Might I suggest you learn the origins of the Jesus myths? And the religions
which the Christanic death cult used as its basis?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I believe in family with my ever loving wife beside me. She don't
know about my girl friend -- or the man I met last night - GENESIS
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Driving Over Mr. Daisy
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:28:32
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a5e
REPLY: 1:3603/210 3f728573
PID: FM 2.02
KY>> Yes, when gays kept it quiet, it was much better.
KY>> They were still around, but who needs to advertise
KY>> their sexual orientation?
Strange he elected not to explain what this "advertising" consists of.
RC> So you've never kissed a girl (or boy, whichever you prefer)
RC> in public, since that would be advertising your sexuality?
KY> Rather, what I am speaking of is those gays
ky> that make a scene about being gay
rc> I have no idea what you mean.
rc> Could you elaborate?
rc> What kind of "scene" do you mean?
I can imagine the response.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Amazing how Hawking in his wheelchair has
journeyed farther than you with your legs. - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: OOPS, CAUGHT AGAIN
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:31:48
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 33184686
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a2
JS> the $$$ help I can get. A high energy music ministry cannot be
JS> effected from a wheel chair or crutches.
RH> Why not? You sing with your legs, maybe?
JS> No, but I am rather active on stage.
dc> Is that before or after they lower the donkey on you?
I'm curious about that, too. Do they use K Y Jelly first?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Blame shifting has become an art form. - Andrew Masten
And it's called the "Not True Xian". - Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:38:51
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a61
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 3318daf7
PID: FM 2.02
MB>> My favorite KY Jelly contradition is where he said in one
dc> I was wondering why folks were calling him "Jelly." :)
Man, youse slow! What? Youse from Alabama? Hey! I'm whalken' hyeah!
The guy _is_ pretty slippery, after all.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ May Dopefish not pee in your wheaties. - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: My sig line
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:45:26
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a62
REPLY: 1:124/9005 33195fd1
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I'm still disillusioned about the children of Wiccan and
fr> Pagan parents. I had expected a great deal better.
sq> I'd relax for the time being.
Fibber! Fibber! Fibber fibber fibber! <-sob-> Broke. Fix it?
Sorry... I went Grup all of a sudden when trying to relax.
sq> You've seen what?
Oh man, what I've seen. France. Don't talk to _meee_ about France.
sq> Maybe three over the past two months?
I had expected the Todd children to be better participants, I would guess.
Yes, I won't pin their behavior onto all children of Pagan parents.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You are on an "echo" with die-hard atheist who will try anything
to deceive you from the truth. This echo would not exist without
_negativity_. - Don Ward
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Mormongate
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:52:25
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a63
REPLY: 1:124/9005 331969df
PID: FM 2.02
Tom Huber
This guy badly needs some help understanding the true Mormonism.
TH> Hm. I'm puzzled as to why your wishes haven't been honored (I know
TH> you don't know why), because the husband *is* the head of the house,
What sexist bigotry. What diabolical evil. And what _makes_ it Satanic
is the utter lack of any apologetic tone and the total lack of any conception
of bigotry whatsoever. "Men are superior. They rule the castle. Period."
sq> I've tried the same angle, Tom, and it was met with grunting, clearing
sq> of throats, and renewed and revitalized efforts to speak with my wife.
You got off lucky. I nearly had to shoot one, as you may recall. The fat
one. I think I would have picked the fat one now that I think back. Anyone
who tests my door knob to see if I locked it after closing it has made a
fatal threat that can't be ignored. Yet even after brushing them off the
porch I am certain I'm still on their list of "strays."
They never take people off. They may move someone from one list but they
always put the person on another. It is their duty to pray at the people
on the strays list -- more so if there are known family members who are
Mormon cultists.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I bet you get upset at the Lucky Charms leprachaun
doesn't leave enough blue stars in your cereal. - Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Caller Identification
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:55:45
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a64
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 331914bb
PID: FM 2.02
dw>> SNFN PACM, CA to be exact. Since I have no idea
dw>> what a SNFN PACM, CA is, I chose not to take the call. :)
FR> Regional code for Sanfernando Valley, city code for Pacoima, state
FR> code for California. I had no idea they were passing along that
FR> information.
dw> They should have passed on significantly more. Your name, for starters.
Would you like a DNA sample while you're at it? }:-}
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ They are really pro-murder forces that supports the murder of babies
against the will of the mother, before and after birth. - Raoul Newton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Driving over Mr. Daisy
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:57:19
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a65
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 33191505
PID: FM 2.02
dw>> Have you ever kissed your girlfriend/wife in public? Have you
dw>> ever held hands with her? Why did you feel the need to advertise
dw>> your sexual orientation like that?
FR> Have you ever fornicated on the ground in public?
dw> Define "public." :>
Cameras running, tape recorders rolling, baby spotlights illuminating all
the major crevases... you know... _public!_
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ By the way, I could prove Carl Sagan wrong, but what
would it get me? - Bill Wolff
Debunked, as usual. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Commercials
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:58:09
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FR> Then is closes with, "You'd think that after all these years we'd
FR> catch something." "Like what?"
mg> The Grand Prize Winner gets a deluxe Hummer.
Is that anything like "a little breather" in the old Airplane movie?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You can keep your saints. I'll hang with the sinners - jonny vee
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Bones and Dupes for Hector Plasmic
|Date: 05 Mar 97 20:58:46
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jjh> I think I'm back to normal now...
"This time for sure!"
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I then proceed to explain that Christianity is the worse death cult
ever inflicted upon humanity, and for some reason they take offense.
- David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Fabrications
|Date: 05 Mar 97 21:00:52
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Tom Huber
FR>th> You've come up with an interesting piece of fiction. If it (your
> story) is true, then there are answers and justice, which have
>absolutely>th> nothing to do with religion.
jb> Well, it seems YOUR reading comprehension is what's in
jb> serious question here. I don't see why you are hitting
jb> on Fred about this when the original post came from
jb> Richard Smith.
Is _that_ what the guy's problem is? I thought he was denying the Lundgren
murders as a fabrication -- and trying his best to ignore the fact that
the Lundgrens were convicted of multiple tortures, kidnaps, and murders.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ This echo is abomination. This echo is also filled with those who
will one day bend their knee to Jesus Christ and call him Lord, whether
they like it or not! And to think how much fun I'm gonna have fun
watching you say it. - Martin Riley
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Book of Life
|Date: 05 Mar 97 21:02:17
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ags> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You like to be butt fucked, right? But not
everbody enjoys your idea of fun, dear. Not everyone is
into sweaty Alpha Male anal games, you know... Not that
I'm against homosexuals, mind you... I'm one of the most
gay friendly guys you're likely to find. It's just that I
have to wonder about people who employ the audacity of
giving everyone a homosexual lover Alpha Male deity
construct.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You must learn to over-come gravity. It is plain to see you
have never had an erection. - Joe Schultz
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: WATER AND FLOOD.
|Date: 05 Mar 97 21:06:40
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a6a
PID: FM 2.02
FR> You're both wrong. Water is indeed compressable yet the
FR> fusion process which results translates the material into a crystal
FR> metal -- if I'm not mistaken.
rh> And you may be right, but I'll guarantee you he can't hit it that hard!
Maybe if he prays at it _real_hard_! }:-}
What's funny is that these guys demand they don't need evidence and then
try their best to pretend that they have some anyway... no matter how many
physical laws they have to ignore.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old.
- Doug Lee (Pointing out the contrabution to scientific progress
Creationism offers humanity)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: HOMOSEXUALS ALSO REPR
|Date: 05 Mar 97 21:27:51
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 20140a6b
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I don't think you understand what _I_ said. Homosexual couples
FR> routinely have babies _together_. And I'm further curious why you're
FR> having difficulty understanding this.
rh> 1) A couple is two individuals.
rh> 2) A homosexual couple is two individuals of the same sex,
rh> where each person is homosexual.
Item number 2 is wrong. Many homosexual couples consist of a homosexual
male and a homosexual female. Nearly all homosexuals engage in heterosexual
intercourse at some time during their life just as most heterosexuals have
experienced a homosexual event at some time in their past. Usually homosexual
behavior (among heterosexuals) takes place among the very young. Heterosexual
behavior among homosexuals usually takes place during the breeding ages.
You might consider everyone bisexual, perhaps, yet the fact is sexuality
and "orientation" runs the entire spectrum as well as fluctuates -- it's
rarely hard-coded throughout someone's life. I'll also point out that
one need not engage in sexual behavior to be a heterosexual any more than
one need engage in sexual behavior to be homosexual.
Elton John is gay yet he married a female. Whether she was gay or not I
don't know. Whether they engaged in sexual behavior ot not, I don't know.
Yet the statistics are better than not that his wife was also gay (perhaps
someone here will know.) The statistics are also better than not that they
engaged in sexual behavior.
The marriage didn't work out so he divorced her fairly quickly.
-=- These things _are_ covered in the literature, Roger. Human sexuality
is a major departmentalization of human psychology. It's been 19 years
since my last human sexuality class yet I doubt humans have changed much
during those years and I doubt the statistics have changed much either.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Hell! Jesus isn't even as popular as WordPerfect! - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bryson Hughes
|Sub: Jewish Views, Cont.
|Date: 05 Mar 97 21:31:46
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> BA> However, in this
> BA> message you seem to be implying that all saved Christians are really
> BA> Jews.
> I didn't mean to imply that. It is just a manner of speaking using the
> Jewish ideal as an archtype to describe a faithful servant of God. Paul
> used this way of speaking to reassure the gentile believers, that in
> being faithful to God, they were Jewish in heart, though they are
> gentiles in fact.
Pencil in what the mythologies "forgot" to mention, yes.
In actual fact the so-called "Jesus" mythos would have been very angry with
Paul/Saul of Tarsus had it been alive at the time of his writings. The
cult of resentment was originally only intended to whip-up Jews to oppose
the occupational armies of Rome.
I suggest you read, "The Making of the Messiah."
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I can't help but comment that it looks to me like your
goat is tied up in Mr. Rice's back yard. - Jonny Vee
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Star Goat loves us all (and he even died for homosexuals, too!)
|Date: 06 Mar 97 20:56:07
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FR> That fundies are robots programmed to believe and mouth-off
FR> exactly what their masters program them to.
rs> But they have free will, honest! *guffaw!* :)
rs> Rod "...the free will of their masters :)" Swift :)
FR> Amen, brother Swift!
rs> Thank ye, brother Fred. :)
FR> Have you heard the word of Goat today? }:-}
rs> Yes, Amen, Brother Fredric. :) :) My, and lo, we have
rs> another follower here, Brother Christopher :) Say hi hi! :)
Hi, Christopher! Star Goat loves you. Really.
FR> My experience has been that the masters of Catholic churchs
FR> pretty much are worshipped more than their popes -- until
FR> the masters get noticed by _their_ masters and get pulled
FR> back into line.
rs> Yes, well, that's always the case. The Catholic bishops have
rs> always wielded a lot of power over their dominions, even if their
rs> edicts are contradictory to the central command back in Roma,
rs> until they REALLY step out of line.
Not much different than any occupational army of the past before instant
communications was a reality. Another good indication that the Christian
religion is stuck in the past.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Why don't you just swim out 'til you find him??? - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Internet HolySmoke (and even for homosexuals, too!) }:-}
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:04:29
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FR> Just part of the good works atheists don't do -- and part of
fr> your ticket price with your paid admission to HolySmoke.
rs> I'd rather have a ticket to HOLYSMOKE than a ticket to heaven.
rs> Hey, I think I just invented a bumpersticker :)
FR> Oh I _like_ it!
rs> It goes in your tagline file now, Brother, that's an edict :)
I'll need it in writing. }:-} And Goat will have to sign it.
In fact I had been thinking about getting "Star Goat!" bumper stickers made.
Everyone at work will know what it means, of course, yet it would make people
wonder. Then I could put mysterious signs on overpasses. }:-}
FR> What we need is a central information
FR> center where the general public can telephone voice and ask
FR> about local HolySmoke access in their area.
rs> Sounds like a web page leading to a FIDO revival. In fact, I
rs> think that we should make serious attempts to gate Holysmoke to
rs> alt.atheism.holysmoke again :)
It would be an interesting experiment. I don't think anything ever came
_in_ from Internet to HolySmoke. And I don't have the resources to do it
-- my bandwidth is taken-up filling file requests, pretty much.
One of the things which I've started doing is posting a new web page called
PARTLIST.HTM -- participant list. It lists information about the systems
which participate in HolySmoke, sorted by network address so that if someone
on Internet wants to find a known FidoNet system which participates he/she
may do so.
FR> And we _do_ need to start marketing bumper stickers and T-Shirts.
rs> Well, that's a great t-shirt.
I think so, too. I had several made up years ago yet they were given away.
I also had Universal Mayhem business cards made up and I've still got several
hundred of those left. I should update them with Star Goat's image.
rs> The guy's a Christian, he could be involved
rs> in any or ALL of the above scenarios.
FR> Watch his pepperoni!
rs> I hope you don't mean a body part with that
rs> innuendo. I don't think I could stand the sight.
I'm angry that the guy's reruns are still on cable.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ God loves you. He can free you from the horrible temptations of your
social disorder. - Johnny Mckinney (Talking about homosexuality)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Operation HolySmoke
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:21:42
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FR> It's looking like you've already
fr> contributed greatly to the HolySmoke lore.
rs> I have? I thought I was just being
rs> a general nuisance to the Kwisters :)
FR> The two are mutually supportive. }:-}
rs> But of course they are. That's how we get high-quality
rs> taglines *and* Skeptic Tank BBS staffers.
It's great that you've noticed. We've done things in HolySmoke for the
past six years or so yet nothing serious has been colaborated on. A couple
notables have been involved in organized Humanism groups and projects and
many more of us have been on the front lines defending women's rights, and
of course we all contribute individually to the cause of science, reason,
rationality, education et al. Yet there's so much more we're all capable
of doing, I think. (Some of us are teachers -- the nobelest profession
there is.)
Time is the problem, not a lack of desire to become activists. One of the
good guys just not too many weeks ago picked up the editorship of a Humanist
publication -- truely a win and I must say I'm prouder of that than I probably
should be. It means that visible, ___SERIOUS___, efforts are being made
by 'Smokers who perhaps might not have picked up the candle had it not been
for HolySmoke's influence.
I hope that The Skeptic Tank will be serious. I think yourself and the
other very select staff members will not regret signing-on even if -- as
I suspect might happen -- everything comes together and _we_all_ will be
asked for reference and research materials along our selected areas of expertiece
(mine won't be spelling.) }:-}
FR> Course we would never _bash_ religion here. Oh no. Never that. }:-}
rs> No. We don't hate the sin. We love the sin of religiosity. It
rs> brings us morons. We LOVE the sin and hate the sinners.... :)
Yes, let's not hate the Negro, let's hate the black skin.
rs> Rod "...uh, uh uh... Jesus is Coming! So am I" Swift :)
FR> I wonder if he even bothers to give reach-around when "in him."
rs> That should now go in your quote file. Immediately. I insist.
rs> :) :) That's two "innocent straight people" around here who
rs> aren't so "innocent" (You re: reach-around and Katherine re: glory
rs> holes) :)
Please. I just had dinner.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Atheism is no more a religion than abstinence is a form of drinking.
- Marilyn Burge
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Put Mormons in the soup
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:31:06
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rs> Ah, but you don't know how I get rid
rs> of the door-to-door fundies, do you? :)
FR> Oh man, I can imagine. How?
rs> Well, basically, in my old house, I could invite the unsuspecting
rs> couple/potential boinkybuddies into the house, and they couldn't
rs> see the items I had conveniently placed behind the couch.
FR> "It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook!" Sorry. I'm
FR> getting ahead of the story, ain't I? idiot right now>
rs> Yes, you are getting ahead of yourself Brother Fredric. Watch
rs> out, or someone will have to spank. And I get to pick the harpy
rs> who will do it :)
Send Gwenny! Rumor has it her teats are goddesses. Er, or are they devine?
Damn if I can remember. But let's! I'll get David's riding crop and the
ropes from his boat. }:-}
rs> Mormons: Hi, we're from the JWs/CJCLDSs. Can we come
rs> in today and talk to you about our faith?
FR> Translation: Let us tell you how badly damaged we are and
FR> what our masters have programmed us to spout off
FR> unthinkingly.
rs> Come on, Fredric, you escaped them. There is hope :)
I was never a believer, though. Some how I managed to acquire an education.
I think it's due to the amount of reading I did as a youth. Reguardless
the fuckers still keep me on their mailing lists as one of them -- even
though I've had to brush them off the front step at gun point and had the
cops return some of their bizarre hate mail in person.
Seriously, I don't think anyone escapes the Mormon cult. I know from direct
experience _inside_ the cult that they maintain at least three lists and
that, while they move people from list to list, they never take anyone off.
FR> Good idea. Smile a lot to give them a false sense of security.
FR> Offer them a warm cup of tea and little crumbly pastery nibbletts
FR> served on clean china plates. (You don't mind if I visualize, do
FR> you?)
rs> No. These are all tried and true tactics. Offering them coffee.
rs> Making them feel at home. Sitting them down on the couch :) :)
Then pull a Dr. Leipzig and set the dogs on them! Yeah! Dig it.
FR> Tell them your wife and four kids are off at church
FR> feeding the hungry in Africa or something... let them know
FR> how much of a Christian familyman you are... everyone's
FR> nice and friendly, warm and cozy...
rs> That's going a bit too far. I'm young enough to be single.
rs> Sometimes I throw in about how my loved one lives on the other
rs> side of the world :) :)
}:-}
FR> THEN LEAP FOR THE THROAT!
rs> A-yup yup yup...
rs> diary? I hear that Mormons are commanded not
rs> to masturbate, and to keep a diary or small
rs> calendar to mark if they succumb.
FR> I would expect them to ask where you heard such a thing.
rs> Why, from the Internet :)
A place of possible learning?! That's demonic.
rs> Rod: No, no no... Answers please. Have you ever had a
rs> homosexual experience?
FR> THEN LEAP FOR THE THROAT!
rs> A-yup yup yup! :)
}:-}
fR> Vindicate their fears and hatred! Loving it!
rs> The said implement can be whipped out just for a laugh among
rs> my friends too, who know of this story, and often have it retold
rs> in the perspective that they are the Mormons :)
Like the Air Force pilots I grew up with. Hold it aloft and manouver it
back and forth while explaining, "There I was..."
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Do you have a single SHRED OF EVIDENCE?? Or are you just going
to spew scripture like a busted shitpipe? - Gary Glunz
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: christolaters
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:34:20
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2094d246
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rs> I normally have them running screaming
rs> down the street. :) :) See previous post.
FR> Some of the people on this street are already paranoid
FR> enough without being routinely treated to half-naked women
FR> screaming as they run down the street.
rs> Half-naked? Why such a state?
I think it has something to do with the uneven airflow around their bodies
as they accelerate through Mach 1. I'm not sure. Some day I'm going to
have to instrument one before starting.
FR> One of these women sputtered something about "That's why
FR> we're out here. We're trying to show people that's not what
FR> we're all about."
rs> But still wanted you to buy the publication, riiiiight?! :)
Which they turn over to their ___MALE___ masters, yes.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ If you just turned down your intellect just a little bit, and looked
at the situation with your heart, you would see that he is truly there.
- Shawn Swanner
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Skeptic Tank Files
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:45:26
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2094d247
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> Currently there are some 60,000 files comprising 1.5 gigabytes or so.
rs> That's really quite large, but if you have a
rs> permanent link to the net, it could be done :)
I'm thinking about a Basic Rate ISDN link which would be up 24hours. If
I can get the funding I think I'll get we'll go to a T1 span.
rs> It'd require a hell of a lot of reading, naming, and filing. It
rs> could be done, probably, progressively over about a year.
That's part of the process, yes, and the most difficult. I've got, um,
30,000 more files ready to go and I don't know if they're properly sorted
and described.
rs> Using unix, you could have long filenames
rs> that are descriptive of the files ;)
Yeah. Yet I would alienate 90% of the people who use the information.
FR> It _is_ working great. Now people can request that ZIP
FR> files be automatically unzipped before they're sent.
rs> Wouldn't it be just better to be able to anonymously ftp them? I
rs> find it quite a pain to have to request them then decode them :(
rs> :(
Sure it would be better. But I need ISP space or a constant link. I wouldn't
make them a FTP site, however. I would still use web pages to contain the
names and descriptions and one would need to click on the files to request
as usual -- only they would be sent immediately to the web browser client
rather than their mail client.
I'm finding that people _like_ to request files then log off their ISP.
They like collecting the files they requested the next day. If they select
a bunch of files and start receiving them right away they're more apt to
drop carrier out of impatience. Many of them are in colleges and universities.
They can request all the files they want then walk away, confident that
the files they requested will start showing up in their university accounts
the next day -- otherwise they have to sit around and wait for the web browsers
to finish the downloads.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I, as an Elder in His church, have the authority
and power of God." -- Ric Remington (Mormon fundy)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: For those who missed it
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:48:18
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FR> I didn't keep anything he posted under the Lon S. Mabon
FR> personality. All I have on file is his admission that he's
FR> Lon S. Mabon. That there seems to be a _REAL_ Lon S. Mabon
FR> indicates that Staal probably was trying to get the real
FR> Lon S. Mabon in trouble.
rs> No. The real Lon Mabon (don't know about his middle initial) is
rs> a homophobic piece of knuckledragging Christian trash who has
rs> tried to pass measures in Oregon depriving gay people of equal
rs> protection before the law.
I've been piecing that picture together this last week, yes.
rs> Jimson possibly improves Mabon's character... But not by much.
I think Bathroom Staal ___approves___ of Lon S. Mabon and wishes to emulate
him. Perhaps that's why he used the name.
rs> I think it is time to archive this area to stop Staal!
FR> I archive every single message.
rs> Good. Grab my posts to Jimbozo about "Christian domestic
rs> terrorism"... You'll find them a scream. I've reposted the post
rs> I asked him to answer a number of times. He's not answered it.
I read most of them, as I recall. He is ___denying___ that Christians are
capable of such things... which ignores his death cult's history entirely.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ "Menacing atheists approach! Quick - hide the god, hide the god!"
- RC
"No, not there, they'll look there. Quick, behind the big bang, and
pray they didn't bring Hawking with them!" - Hector Plasmic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:49:57
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> The URLs are:
> American Family Association's "Homosexuality in America" Expose:
> http://www.afa.net/toc.htm
[...cuts...]
Thanks. Got them! I'll check each one out in detail.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ "In Cyber-Space, no one gives a damn if you scream." - Steve Rose
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 06 Mar 97 21:53:55
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2094d24a
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rs> No I am not :) :) However, look for
rs> john1@heterosexual.com and get a surprise :) :)
FR> Making a list. Checking it twice...
rs > Oh, but the john1@heterosexual.com is a most fun vanity
rs> email address. You do know of Fred Cherry, don't you?
That name doesn't ring any particular bells, no.
FR> Yes, even as they don't even ask the _children's_ forgiveness. Rarely.
rs> No... In fact, they tell the children it's for their own
rs> good/gets them closer to God/that they don't do wrong as they are
rs> God's spokesman/that God still loves them and will love them
rs> more/etc...
They've been getting away with it for centuries. Hasn't it been _less_
than 200 years now since civilized people started trying to put the breaks
on Christian clergy abuse of children? 200? Hell, I think it's less than
100 years since anyone has really admitted there was a problem leave alone
anyone speak out against it.
FR> I haven't seen any of that. But then I don't participate
FR> in such parades. I have to think it would be a good idea
FR> to start.
rs> There's a message on Usenet about how they were banned from the
rs> Portland, OR, parade (or was it Seattle, WA?) and they still
rs> showed up and unfurled their banners and proclaimed to be part of
rs> the "mainstream gay movement" and when interviewed by the press
rs> they claimed that "gay and lesbian people support NAMBLA".
Damned assholes. And 90% of the populace probably believes it.
rs> It's really quite a shame. In the pride parade above (Oregon or
rs> Washington, I can't remember) everyone at the pride organising
rs> committee voted unanimously to ban NAMBLA, except for the one
rs> person who showed up petitioning the group from -- you guessed it
rs> -- NAMBLA.
Do they spout-off about "Constitutional rights" and "freedom of speech?"
I think I saw some of that in some of the newsgroups as well.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ McCullough's Law: anyone under the control of an authority tends to
be/become inimical to anyone NOT under control of the same authority.
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* Origin: The government is a liar. Free the aliens! (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Skeptic Tank Staff
|Date: 06 Mar 97 22:01:41
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2094d24b
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f214
PID: FM 2.02
FR> If anyone is willing to handle questions
fr> which come in concerning human psychology,
rs> I thought that was me :) Handling the social science aspects ;)
FR> But you would need to cover and provide contemporary human
FR> psychology acedemia in your responses, too.
rs> I'm already doing that. I have an arsenal of APA documents ;)
rs> Don't you see Ken Young screaming as he drowns in his own
rs> ignorance over sexual orientation?
Oh man, yeps. Frankly I'm also a little surprised with Rodger's difficulty
in understanding how homosexual couples can (and often do) have children.
I see that several others have made a try to explain the mechanics involved.
As for K Y Jelly, he's suffering from being exposed to the truth here and
the deceptions his masters have programmed him with for decades. Guess
which one he'll cling to?
rs> Remember, as atheists, we do no good. We really should start a
rs> Skeptic Resources Directory (like the Queer Resources Directory),
rs> or heck, just go out for the Anti-Religion Resource Site :)
FR> Yes, we should. When can you start? }:-}
rs> I'll start coding a web index structure ;)
You're a good guy, Rod. One of the good guys. Really. I've got a list
of theings that still need to be done --- IRS factors in greatly since they
seized all my liquid assets, including ther legal fund I had thought would
be safe. At the top of the list is the "Profit Keepers" HTML page which
will be a reformat of my notes I took when the PK master was interviewed
on the radio.
I wish I could have asked him a few questions. Linda Thompson was also
on the same radio station one day and I almost had a chance to describe
what the lunatic bitch is really like. Thompson changed the schedule at
the last minute and I was cycled out of the queue.
FR> NOTE: Rod, what about handleing the homophobic rants that
FR> come in? And handeling the other gay related issues?
rs> Oh, please! :) :) Can I? *drool* I look forward to.
FR> If you're willing... I suspect that will bring in a lot of
fR> work, though. Course we here in HolySmoke would LOVE to
FR> watch, too!
rs> :) :) Well, I'll handle them. I've yet to have a good rant. I
rs> think the Skeptic Tank needs a bit of publicity. Should I
rs> post an invite, say, through alt.religion.christian.knuckledraggers?
rs> :) :) :)
Why sure! Since I've got your official go-ahead, I'll get that added to
the pages right away. And wouldn't it be cool to let everyone know Promise
Keepers is a cult?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Sorry, I must have misunderstood your question. I believe that the
Holy Spirit caused on of Mary's eggs to become a fetus without sperm.
- Steve Bedard
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* Origin: Anti-woman, anti-gay, born against bigot go away (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: The Jesus was homosexual
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:36:34
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385f8
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f306
PID: FM 2.02
fR> What's funny is that Christanics were unable to remove the
FR> exhibitions of homosexuality from their mythologies.
rs> Ken did so in one post to me just earlier. Claimed I was
rs> obsessive because i had the gall to defend my sexuality.
He doesn't know the references to the naked boy the Jesus mythos was with
in the garden?
FR> Once the myths were printed and started being distributed en
FR> mass, making revisions to "correct" these mistakes became
FR> harder and harder.
rs> They tried to determine canon from time to time though. There
rs> was some success. Though we still have the apocrypha to read if
rs> we get bored :) :)
And, when we tell believers what their religion was like not to loong ago,
we'll get to listen to the screams "IS NOT!"
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ The Cross is the only hope for the world. - Charles Rollins
Only if we put more Christians on the things. - David Worrell
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:37:15
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385f9
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f344
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I wonder what percentage of NAMBLA
fr> membership is comprised of Christianics.
rs> I suspect a lot.
I wonder how I could find out. Perhaps I should contact NAMBLA and arage
an interview.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You pompous twit and I suppose you will _enlighten_
me as to the true meaning of TEAR A NEW ONE. - Richard Thorneycroft
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: David Ragland's demonic rants
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:41:00
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385fa
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f474
PID: FM 2.02
DR> These are debates. Much like the courtroom scenario. The Judge is
rs> So why do creationists keep consistently losing in court?
FR> It's a conspiracy, I tell 'ya! A Communist plot!
rs> I wish there were some TANKS to go with it :)
Janet Reno is in cahoots with Linda Thompson and Terry Parker, no doubt,
with funding provided by Henry Kissinger.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Sin is a repugnant concept. Theists sin. Atheists act like assholes.
- Rob Burcham
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Ken Young Jelly's evil hatred
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:47:09
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385fb
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f87a
PID: FM 2.02
kY> Nope.. Heterosexuality is what everyone is naturally.
FR> Your hatred of hundreds of millions
fr> of innocent people is disgusting, Ken.
FR> But then you're not to blame, are you? No, it's your
FR> masters who shovel the shit down your mouth and command you
FR> to spew it who are the ones to blame, huh?
rs> I cannot believe he has YET to justify his assumptions that:
rs> 1) only one sexual orientation is the correct one
His masters tell him it's so... That's all the justification he needs.
rs> 2) that it is his sexual orientation if it is
Those who spew the most hatred are hiding something.
rs> 3) that everyone is "born straight"
Thus denying every scientific inquiry which finds otherwise.
rs> 4) that gay people "choose".
Sure, just like blacks choose their skin hue.
rs> He's not answered any one of the four with any scientific
rs> evidence, despite having scientific evidence TO THE CONTRARY
rs> being provided.
I don't think any of these fundies ever learn. He doubtless knows that
his masters have been lying to him and he doubtless knows he's full of puppy
shit, yet it is his _duty_ to try to lie to everyone as well as himself.
Ken has _faith_ in his hatred and bigiotry, just as he has faith in his
master's deity constructs. To retain such faith, man, I'm not at all surprised
he has to try even pathetic lies to try to convince himself.
rs> He still spews the same shit, as if he were Laurie Appleton on
rs> Creationism/Evolutionism.
No difference whatsodamn ever.
rs> You debunk him, and he just blinks and ignores the fact that he's
rs> been debunked. He just restates the allegation ignorantly.
Those very words have been said in this forum before -- after getting the
truth shoved into their noses they blink and spout off the same old lies.
Knowingly.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ But lets face it, if politicians weren't allowed to lie, half the
time they'd have trouble saying their own names. - Paul Feonic
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: You won't believe this quote
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:47:42
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385fc
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3312f8b8
PID: FM 2.02
FR> If one's religion is a choice, so is his sexual orientation.
FR> Just because gays will go to Hell, does not mean they aren't
FR> loved. - Ken Young
FR> To all you Christians: He's one of yours.
rs> I hope it remains eternal in your
rs> quote file, Fred. The asshole deserves it.
You betcher ass it will. It goes right to the top.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ But when examining a phenomena, like the placement of rocks in a
field, there is nothing unscientific about considering whether those
rocks were placed by design or natural forces. - Andrew Masten
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Quote!
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:52:09
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385fd
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3313b5dc
PID: FM 2.02
KY> I would say that you should be what you were made to be.
KY> If you were created white, stay that way. If you were made
KY> male, stay that way. And if you were made heterosexual, AS
KY> WE ALL WERE, stay that way.
rs> For the quote file, Brother Fredric.
Yep, that one goes in. Look how shrill the guy's getting trying to convince
himself.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ In the beginning was the Word... - Steve Bedard
And the word is destroy the non-believers... - Dan Ceppa
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: For you!
|Date: 07 Mar 97 19:53:01
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385fe
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 3313e656
PID: FM 2.02
KY> Gays will go to Hell if they are not saved, and if you are
KY> gay, you cannot be saved.
rs> For the quote file, Fred. He states gays cannot
rs> be saved, and if they are not saved, they go to Hell.
So much for what his gods said in his own mythologies, huh?
Yes, that goes to the archives as well. Thanks for the heads-up.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ The KNEES! You forgot the KNEES! If he wanted Mankind to kneel, he
would have made it more-comfortable, no? :) - Scot Vertullo
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: California
|Date: 07 Mar 97 20:53:49
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 211385ff
PID: FM 2.02
Today Christianic death cult terrorists burned down another abortion clinic
right here in Southern California.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Satan usually gives all you little followers money, where
Christians must WORK HARDER to get the same things. - Christian Miller
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Libertarians
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:00:44
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef2c
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 33184f02
PID: FM 2.02
ROD> Rod "...just which interest group do you represent?" Swift :)
tlp> I'm a hardcore Libertarian.
rs> I'm going to have to change political parties, it looks like. Damn.
FR> If you're looking for something a little more to the left
FR> of Terry, why not consider joining the Republican party?
rs> Maybe I'll start my own party . . .
I know! We'll call it "Canada!"
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Origin: MALARIA! NETWORK, Shivering yellow shits for Jesus! (1:102/890)
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Christanic terrorists
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:02:34
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef2d
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 33185a8e
PID: FM 2.02
FR> It also seems as though the Christian terrorist individual or
FR> organization responsible for the bombings of abortion clinics last
FR> month are also being tied with the terrorist bombing of the
FR> Olympics last year. It seems that the materials and design
FR> used were identicle.
rs> What a lovely bunch of fundy barbarians.
rs> That's TRUE XTIAN LOVE at it's best!
And they burned down another clinic yesterday. They're going to force the
authorities to stop playing by the rules and start treating them as the
terrorists they are.
FR> To all theists: They're yours. Why don't you clean up
FR> your own shit for once?
rs> They're too busy saying that it's not shit.
Yeah, and that it's not their problem.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Evolution is likely ultimately from the devil, to misdirect people.
- David Robins
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Ken Young's demonic rants
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:04:00
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef2e
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 3319ccf4
PID: FM 2.02
DR> These are debates. Much like the courtroom scenario.
DR> The Judge is
RodS> So why do creationists keep consistently losing in court?
FR> It's a conspiracy, I tell 'ya! A Communist plot!
ky> Very good! You are finally learning! :)
Statements like this lead me to suspect the clown is really an atheist having
one on the rest of us.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Your defense of homosexuals is good practice for the day when
your defense is more personal. - John Passaniti
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bryson Hughes
|Sub: Arrogance^3
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:06:13
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef2f
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 331b1169
PID: FM 2.02
BH> My experiences show me that some Christians approve and
BH> some don't; Some Jewish people approve and some don't.
BH> I simple go about my task of educating.
"Educating?" Is that what you call perpetuating hatred, bigotry, willful
ignorance and superstition among the gullible? "Educating?"
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I'm sorry I refuse to answer your question. - Marguerite Kendall
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Lunatic buttfucks
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:08:37
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 3baa53cf
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a3
js> God does His thing in His time.
FR> Your death god
ibs> ??????
It would seem your programming is complete.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ A religionoid cannot use Dove. Dove only sports 1/4 cleansing cream...
and their myth-gawds demand 100% purity. - Steve Rose
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Lunatic buttfucks
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:09:50
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 3baa53cf
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a5
FR> Your death god demanded it would "be back" over 2,000
FR> years ago,
ibs> I can't make any sense of what you are saying here, but I do know that
ibs> Jesus Christ promised, approximately 2,000 years ago that He would
ibs> return...and He will. Trust me.
Read your own paper idol, buttfuck. The creators of the mythologies
had the so-called "Jesus" mythos "return" within the life time of its followers,
buttfuck. Guess what? It didn't.
But then you're not allowed to read the paper idol, huh? Only what your
masters program into you; that's what you'll believe, huh?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ No, the reason that you tout it is your conscience an
stand it better then Life from Life. - Ron Stringfellow
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:11:51
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 6de1ffc0
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a6
JS> Only in the eyes of Pagan scum.
FR> Well, dear, you certainly don't put much effort into damage control.
FR> In actual fact damn near any bok of mythologies you care to name
FR> states that it is "god breathed" -- or the deific analog.
ibs> Like I care about any 'bok of mythologies'.
ibs> I am talking about the Bible here.
The same death cult book of mythologies your masters don't allow you to
read. And let's not try to wiggle out of your master's lies. All mythologies
are "god-breathed" in exactly the same way your death cult mythologies are.
FR> Your masters only followed the traditiona methodology to keep you
FR> ignorant savages in control -- and paying.
ibs> I have only one master: Jesus Christ, and He
ibs> asks only that I love Him and keep His commandments.
Which is exactly what your masters want you to believe.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ "History teaches us that man is basically a psychopath." - John Gardner
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Quote! Quote!
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:13:47
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 374e2103
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a7
RS> Yes, isn't it. Every fertilised egg that does not gain uterine
RS> wall implantation, and hence is aborted, is the fault of your
RS> God.
iJS> Fault of sinful man and his 'science'.
FR> Neat! See the spontaneous abortions which occur in all
FR> mammals is due to "man." And "science" which prove that this fucking
FR> dipshit savage is being lied to is part of the conspiracy.
ibs> I believe he was talking about invitro here.
You'll believe everything your masters program you to believe. In actual
fact mammals spontaneously abort the vast majority of times the female is
pregnat and all the buttfuckery you employ to try to deny the fact is pointless.
It merely serves to continually exhibit the lunacy that is Christianity
-- and the hatred that is yours.
FR> fucking dipshit savage
ijs> Evidence???
Yes. Don't for a second forget that I archive this forum.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ If I shoot his wife because I'm trying to scare him out of his
hiccups, I haven't really killed her. - Jason Rosendale (Debunking
a fundy claim about intent to do wrong.)
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal's possible homosexuality
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:21:04
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 dc366d0d
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a8
FR> ~*~ Call me a thief and I'll behave like one... - Jim Staal
FR> You're gay. (This should be interesting.) - Karl Schneider
rs> *ROFL!*. He's not started behaving like one yet, has he Fredric?
I suspect you have and are trying your best not to admit it to yourself.
How old were you then? 12? 13? Maybe older? You can tell us. We won't
hold it against you, honest. Would we do something like that?
rs> What a shame. I do think it would be interesting, as Karl said
rs> :)
FR> It seems the most rabidly vocal homophobics are _always_
ijs> Any evidence to support this slanderous claim?
Well, poor deluded fool, if you want to play People's Court, let's just
shove your evil Christanic hatred right back down that shitpipe of yours,
okay?
I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
Sexist bastard, aren't you? But then homosexual women can be raped with
impunity and "corrected," right, pig? Your masters would like you to believe
that only males can be homosexuals, huh? Come on, Bathroom, tell us what
your masters have to say about it. I would really like to know what they're
feeding you people these days.
No, these things all happened because you shouted it out that you were
gay. If you had kept it to yourself, these things would not have
happened to you, now would they. - Jim Staal
Suck deeply your hatred, Jim. Learn from it. Then ask those you once hated
without cause for forgiveness. Then go back to your masters and shoot them
in the face for what they have done to you. It's the Christian thing to
do. It's the right thing to do.
FR> What's an irony is that he's possibly in your camp; he's possibly gay.
ijs> Any evidence to even cause such a thought?
Sure is, dear. Clinical testing shows that those who scream loudest their
homophobic hatred and bigotry are harboring homosexual feelings the most.
Care for me to post the latest scientific review, buttfuck? Well? Care
to have your nose rubbed in it again?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Thrusting in him and having a simply DIVINE relationship
- Al Tufano (ment to say "trusting in him...")
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Oh. Let's not forget
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:25:37
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73a9
By the way, asshole, let's not gloss over the fact that Christanic death
cult terrorists -- members of your own cult -- burned down yet another abortion
clinic yesterday.
What was that you were saying about having no knowledge of Christian terrorists?
Well? What's the matter? "Satan" got your toung?
Also: Do you realize what your fellow Christanic terrorists are going to
force the authorities to start doing? Let me clue you: As your death cult
continues its policy of domestic terrorism it's going to force the authorities
to set aside due process. Your death cult will force the authorities to
dispense with a trial, a judge, and a jury and will be forced to handle
domestic Christan terrorists the same way they're handled abroad.
Do you know what that means? Do you have any idea what's instore for not
only the Christan terrorists in this country but the innocent citizen the
terrorists pray (sic) upon?
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Next, you're probably going to have Noah bending fish to get them
on the ark, aren't you? - Shelby Sherman
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Driving Over Mr. Daisy
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:28:32
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef36
PID: FM 2.02
KY> Kids were a lot more educated back then. But
KY> since we took prayer out of the schools, the
KY> students have been doing a lot worse.
What makes you think prayer has been taken out of the public schools, dear?
More imporantly, _how_ has prayer been taken out? I would love to know
how it could be done so that I might get started on the project.
Thanks in advance.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Please and What great feat have you done for mankind? - Don Ward
For one thing, I've erased your message. - Marty Leipzig
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* Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Mormon occultism
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:42:39
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef37
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331a3168
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Ah, yes. The ole "Not True Mormon" dodge. The desire
FR> to demand that all the Mormon criminals are incapable of
FR> doing what they did and thus the onus of correcting the
FR> problem falls upon the atheists.
th> So, you fabricated the whole thing?
Eventually I realized that Tom was confusing a number of subjects
and wasn't actually trying to deny the Bishop Lundgren murders.
rs> Fredric fabricated NOTHING. (READ THIS VERY CLOSE, YOU
rs> IDIOT!) _I_ posted the original message. Got it now? _I_
rs> related it originally. And I didn't make it up. I have no
rs> idea why you keep accusing Fredric of making it up, but
rs> you're VERY confused!
He's a Mormon, after all. His paper idol is demonstrated a hoax through
even the simplest of archeology. Imagine having to try to believe the Mormon
gods when faced with that.
FR> For some strange and mysterious reason you elected not
FR> to quote any of this "story." If yo're refering to the
FR> Mormon death cult masters Jeffrey Don Lundgren and his
FR> Mormon family, my guess is your masters have been trying
FR> their best to program you robots into believing that the
FR> bodies the authorities uncovered were fakes and that
FR> your fellow death cultists were being framed.
rs> SEE!!! Fredric clearly doesn't know what story YOU are
rs> speaking of, since YOU are accusing him of posting an
rs> incident that _I_ actually posted.
Perhaps we'll hear a story about how his mailer messed up and some how swapped
names in the header. }:-}
th> al, first, there is no such doctrine as blood atonement,
This is a lie his masters have been programming into him. Blood atonement
rituals in the Mormon cult are a reality -- ask anyone who knows why Mormons
accept the death penalty that spil blood (such as a fireing squad.)
The Lundgren family selected another Mormon family to be the victims of
this "blood atonement" specifically in keeping with the ideaology of said
"atonement."
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ None of the people who claim to have found God have given us
any reason to accept that they have, indeed, found anything
but their own delusions. - Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: Mormon blood atonement
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:48:51
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef38
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331a3168
PID: FM 2.02
th> al, first, there is no such doctrine as blood atonement,
I would suggest that you actually learn something about the Mormon cult,
Tom, as well as the Bishop Lundgren murders. Look into why the Mormon cult
favors the death penalties which spill the blood of criminals as well.
The Lundgren family -- all just as Mormon as you seem to be -- selected
another Mormon family to carry the ideological tyranny of the Mormon "Blood
Atonement" ritual. A suitable scapegoat (look up the origins of that word,
dear) was selected to "clense" the Mormon cult and said murders were in
100% agreement with the ideologies set forth by the cult.
The fact that the Lundgren family was turned-in by fellow Mormons after
said fellow Mormons feared for their own lives even underscores the point.
Had the "Blood Atonement" ritual sacrifices been selected by the Lundgrens
without polling the Mormon church in whole, no one would have stepped forward
to finger Lundgren for fear of their own deaths. The Mormons would have
gotten away with successfully completing the Blood Atonement murders.
I can understand how Mormon cultists can not learn the truth about their
cult. It's a fact that Mormon masters are not allowed to divulge information
to the sheep until they are "ready." And by "ready" (as with all cults)
they mean after the sheep has invested their lives in the cult and can't
bail out reguardless of the evil they see without admitting to themselves
they've wasted their lives.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Please don't be blinded by the truth!" -- Mike Salva (to David Rice)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Mormon lunatics
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:56:00
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef39
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331a30f2
PID: FM 2.02
th> thinking that you have produced no more than a red
th> (i.e., ripe) herring.
FR> But then you can't produce the names of any of these
FR> "others" you can see yet no one else can. Provide some
FR> names, sweet pea. I want names of people who claim
FR> that the Lundgren murders never happened.
rs> See! Fredric's not talking about my Wiccan sister at all,
rs> but about ANOTHER case of Mormon brutality. Yet you STILL
rs> can't get the clue that he didn't post my story, can you?
About a year and a half ago a bunch of Mormons headed for the hills because
their paper idol `told' them their `Jesus' was going to `return.' They
left most of everything behind.
After waiting for their gods to show up they ran out of food and water and
started drinking their own urin. When Ground Search and Recovery pulled
these lunatics off the mountain they were wracked with disease and all were
financially ruined.
I wonder if the rest of the Mormon cult took up to house, feed, clothe,
and medicate these lunatic believers.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Men leaving the natural use of the woman burned
in lust for one another.. - Charles Rollins
[Christian Charles tells us what he is told woman's "natural use" is]
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: My sig line
|Date: 08 Mar 97 08:57:07
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef3a
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331ae44a
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I'm still disillusioned about the children of Wiccan and
FR> Pagan parents. I had expected a great deal better.
rs> Why, Fredric! You should know by now that any one religion
rs> is no guarantee of intellect, ethics, etc.!
Quite true. I recant my insinuation completely.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Do you have any evidence that Wiccans or Pagans eat people, Jesse?
- Fredric Rice
Read up on Africa. It might be an education for you. - Jesse Hornbacher
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Afghanistan
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:00:46
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef3c
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331ae5f0
PID: FM 2.02
FR> What's that famous phrase? "We have spotted the Afghan
FR> rebbles. Please tell my wife that I love her."
rs> When you lie torn and bleeding on Afghanistan's plains,
rs> And the women come out to cut up your remains,
rs> Lift up your rifle and blow out your brains,
rs> And go to your God as a soldier.
rs> -- Rudyard Kipling.
Wow. What a wonderful quote. I will do something with that. Thanks _very_
much for forwarding this. I'll put it in my main web page.
Kipling must have understood Afghanistanis in ways the Soviets never learned.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ It is not I who has been brainwashed. (To whom am I talking?)
- Kim Kelley
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Tom Huber
|Sub: Magic Underwear
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:02:36
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef3d
REPLY: 1:3603/210 40d68151
PID: FM 2.02
TH> the LDS believe [...] We are entirely dependent upon the
TH> atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ for salvation.
rc> And to whom are you dependent for your magic underwear?
Have you been told about the Mormon's magic underwear yet? If you're interested
in learning about the occult rituals that take place in the Mormon temples,
I can provide a suitable reference from an ex-Mormon who managed to escape
(both the cult and the Mormons who tried to murder her to try to shut her
up.)
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ "Onward Xtain soldiers"...like the Iraqi army. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Cruise that missle!
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:04:38
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef3e
REPLY: 1:123/67 331b4f83
PID: FM 2.02
MK> | / 3, 3
MK> | / 2, 2
MK> |/ 1, 1
MK> -+--+-+-- 0, 0
MK> /| -1,-1
MK> / | -2,-2
MK> / | -3,-3
ss> Looks like good ole f(x) =x to me.
It looks like the targeting reticle on the Aegis Tomahawk cruise missle
targeting and control console. }:-}
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I have not ignored your wife. - Jesse C. Jones
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Catholic girls
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:07:26
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef40
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Catholic girls start much too late?
dr> And Mormon ones much to early.
For which we are grateful. }:-}
"Give us the girl and we'll call it even."
fr>> ~*~ You can UV irradiate a cockroach all day long and all
fr>> you'll have is a warm cockroach. - Marty Leipzig
dr> And mighty tasty, too!
Did you install that mustard pump? }:-}
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frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Santan uses them well, wouldn't you agree? - Chris Vetter
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: No Good Things
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:13:47
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef41
PID: FM 2.02
dr> Flanders voice) at me. He then asked me when I was
dr> "saved," aparently believing me to be a co-fundy. Of
dr> course I assumed a pretensed expression of non-
dr> understanding and told him I have yet to be shipwreaked.
Such a wit!
dr> He said "No, no, no, no, I mean when did Jesus save you?"
dr> When I said I was atheist, he took one step backwards and
dr> said "You're kidding, right?" I insisted I was not. He
dr> then looked at the twenty dollar bill I had returned to
dr> him as if it were a snake, then looked back at me and
dr> asked me why I did not keep the money I had found. I told
dr> him it didn't belong to me. He looked vastly confused and
dr> very upset--- maybe even angry.
Shattered his little pink world, did you?
dr> When he left, the cashier, whom had over-heard the
dr> conversation, gave me a Minney's tee-shirt for free: a
dr> twenty-dollar value. :-)
dr> Who says HOLYSMOKE ain't Real Life?!
I most certainly don't! I'm damn proud of what we do here even if it's
mostly just to amuse ourselves and to commune with others who have the audacity
to think for themselves. Tribalism at its best takes place here -- as opposed
to tribalism at its worse as takes place in theistic churches.
As for myself, I _rarely_ even respond to such insults as "God bless you!"
when I help people on the freeway. Of most notable was the woman with a
flat tire clutching a bible crying and praying for someone to come get her
off the middle of the freeway... with a wide-eyed boy sitting in the passenger
seat closest to traffic.
After making some noises about her gods sending me I let her know I didn't
believe in gods and that I sent myself.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Ok, name on person that has witnessed a Monkey turn into a man.
- Chris Vetter
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: ACT LIKE A CHRISTIAN
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:14:51
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef42
PID: FM 2.02
BW> No you don't, dick head!
rs> Such a loving display of Christianity.
rs> "By their fruits ye shall know them.
rs> See you in hell!
FR> Make a guess why Rod Swift thinks you're a Christian, Bill.
FR> Could it be because you act like one?
bw> Nope, it's because he's stupid like you are. I'm a Saganist!
Do you _honestly_ believe that, Bill?
Next time you shave, look at yourself in the mirror and try to answer the
question honestly. Don't tell me, tell yourself.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ you heathens will distort anything in order to attack me.
- Jesse C. Jones
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Deluded Idiots!
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:18:25
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 331b3b48
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73aa
Bryson Hughes
Karl Schneider
God Dan
BH> Considering that what I experience was quite terrifying early on, I
BH> would not wish it upon you. It is a good gift and worth cherishing,
but
BH> it came with a terror. I remember the dread I felt when I realized God
BH> is real after all. Then when I was put on trial by angels, I just knew
BH> I was cooked, if you know what I mean. But I emerged a better man for
BH> it.
dc> If you thought that Jimb-ozo was nuts, this guy is certifiable!
It _does_ appear as though you've been upstaged, Jim.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Only if you greet the pizza boy with nothing on. - Al Schroeder
Now why would I want to kill the poor thing? - Starwyn
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ray Talley
|Sub: Eckankar - ???
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:21:35
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef44
REPLY: 1:121/45.0 331ccc22
PID: FM 2.02
FR> There's nothing on it in my archives.
rt> I recall some students at a communtiy college in Illinois doing
rt> something called Eckankar back in the early seventies. I think
rt> it was some form of TM or trancendental meditation.)
Pretty close... It's a Scientology front, it seems. Someone posted information
to the forum about this particular name. It seems that the Scientology
cult creates many like-minded groups which all employ the same "tech" as
Scientology, differing only in name.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I had two margaritta's, and was eyeing the women like
a deer eyes oncoming headlights. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Ken Young's hatred
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:26:14
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef45
REPLY: 1:270/420.0 3317683e
PID: FM 2.02
KY> I'm not, I am against homosexuality.
FR> What a fucking liar.
ky> How do you know what a person hates and doesn't hate?
How about using your own words, dear? Just as your intellectual and moral
superiors prove you death cultists mistaken by using your own paper idol,
we also use your own words to evidence your own evil.
ky> I tend to think that I would know more about who I hate, than you would.
We all know about your hatred and bigotry since you elected to open your
own mouth and tell us. And for that we are most grateful. We _need_ people
like you to strengthen our resolve to fight against your fascist evil.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I'm so ugly I could make a buzzard throw up. - David Rice, HolySmoke
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Ken Young's demonic occultism
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:26:50
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef46
REPLY: 1:270/420.0 3317696e
PID: FM 2.02
DR> These are debates. Much like the courtroom scenario. The Judge is
rs> So why do creationists keep consistently losing in court?
FR> It's a conspiracy, I tell 'ya! A Communist plot!
ky> Very good! You are finally learning! :)
I would bet real money that's exactly what your masters want you to believe.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ I was an atheist once myself... - Timothy Bowlby
No, you weren't. Atheists can think. - Don Martin
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Another child molesting Christian
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:28:31
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef47
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 331783cf
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Why civil suit rather than criminal charges, I would like to know.
dc> The Seattle newspaper was not helpful in the least. As it
dc> stands, there seem to be no crimal charges pending. It may
dc> be due to the statute oflimintations, but I don't know.
I've got a note on my desk to keep reminding me to be on the lookout for
any information about this. I'm thinking seriously about starting a campaign
to get the guy's reruns off the air -- knowing it would fail in advance
yet drawing media attention to the pervert.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ The Bible says "Hate black SKIN not the black person." - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Drugs
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:34:38
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef48
REPLY: 1:229/622 33171b82
PID: FM 2.02
FR> 70% of the people in the United States prison system are in for
FR> illegal drug related crimes.
dh> Wow, that's a surprise. I did some undergrad psychology training
dh> in a federal prison here; the prof was the chair of the prison's
dh> psych department. From personal observation I would put the drug
dh> folks at about 20%. I opine that prison demographics reflect
dh> society's fears much as artistic expression represents social
dh> concerns.
What year was this? I'm going by 1995 statistics.
Offense Percentage
Drugs 60.5
Robbery 9.9
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 9.5
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.1
Property Offenses 5.3
Immigration 2.1
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8
White Collar 0.8
Courts of Corrections 0.8
National Security 0.1
Miscellaneous 1.5
This was pulled straight from a "Justice" Department's web pages.
FR> And of these more than 5 million
FR> people, nearly 100% of them are Christian.
dh> I guess, if the sample method is self-report. It pays to profess
dh> xtianity in court.
Yes, that's quite true. It does help. And yet there is no other way to
determine whether someone is a Christian or not than to ask.
dh> I had considerable experience some years past
dh> with ex-cons at a street-front xtian drop-in center. The vast
dh> majority of them were looking for something, but had pretty well
dh> decided "the church" wasn't it. They were aimless, really, sort
dh> of drifting, hoping for some relief of their personal misery,
dh> without knowing from whence it would come but giving the preachers
dh> some benefit of doubt that their promises might hold some value.
One of the prison officials who answered some of my questions made that
comment as well. He told me that people on the inside adopt Christianity
when it pays to appear pious yet many of them are actually Muslims.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ We should also teach our children the pain, horror,
and pain of atheism. - Robert Burke (Christanic death cultist)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: grapes
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:36:11
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef49
REPLY: 1:3603/210 3d2142fa
PID: FM 2.02
FR> + Origin: John Brawley's Quantum Plastic Forks and Grapes shop
rc> If grapes resemble the numeral zero, does that make them evil in the
rc> sight of the Quantum God, since zero is such an abominable blasphemy
rc> created by mathematicians who conspire against the genius of egotists
rc> who deny that they suffer from excessive egotism?
I smell another anti-god forming! }:-} Ciya!
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Noah was not a Jew. He is the ancestor of the Jews and everyone else.
- Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Bathroom Staal
|Sub: Baby in Critical Condition
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:37:24
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 d31b6f3b
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73ab
MK> So how do your gods decide if an infant goes to
MK> heaven or hell, Jimbo? A roll of the dice?
JS> Two things here: a. I do not have 'gods'. Just God[sic].
FR> Are you claiming you left the Christanic death cult now?
js> I make no such claim. I have never belonged to any death cult. You?
Let's see if we can pin you down to a consistant answer for a change.
Are you currently a member of the Christanic death cult?
Your available options are:
1: Yes
2: Yes
3: Yes
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ CM] God sends no one to Hell. - Christian Miller
DW] I refuse to go to hell. What's going to happen to me?
CM] How will you stop God the Father from sending you there?
KD] [sigh] First you said that God didn't force anyone to go to
KD] hell, and then you said that he did. - Kevin D. Mckenzie
CM] Try to twist shit, and turn it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:41:43
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef4b
PID: FM 2.02
LB> Shoes?? The denominations in your area let the women wear SHOES?? ;)
jb> Only to church, Lynda, only to church.
FR> This behavior wouldn't be tolerated in Pat Robertson's
FR> Amerkkka! Then we would have you forbidden-apple-eating harpies
FR> walking three paces behind your masters like in the good old days!
lb> (harpyish smile) Do you really think Pat Robertson
lb> has the guts to turn his back on us like that?
"At any time, anywhere, our snipers can drop you."
And a damn shame it would be, too.
FR> Oh: And the wearing of veils. Gotta make sure that gets on the
FR> ballot next year.
lb> Yes, that would make identifying his assailant much tougher....
Loving it! }:-}
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Point the finger slow to understand.
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand. - METALLICA
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Al S. Did he fly the echo
|Date: 08 Mar 97 09:58:54
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef4c
PID: FM 2.02
jdb> Al seems to have moved on to greener pastures?
FR> I doubt it. He's probably just busy taking care of the real world for
FR> a time. When he leaves I expect a full Song and Dance about how we've
FR> all had good fun and learned a lot and how there's nothing more to
lb> You've not been reading his journal, I see...
The clown has a journal?
lb> Email him. About anything. You'll get the whole story.
That would satisfy my curiousity yet I think it would be expensive in effort
to pick through whatever resentful missive was sent. All of Al's postings
were lengthy, meandering, lunatic rants. I will retain the presumption
of knowing in advance what his complaint would be.
lb> Rod Swift sent him notice of his page being updated and got
lb> a long sobstory about the whole thing in reply. Al WANTS to
lb> talk about it, he just knows he dare not post another
lb> tearjerker HERE. :)
It's a wonder the clown didn't elect to use the same excuse Jesse Christ
Jones used and flee from the torment of repeatedly exposing himself here.
lb> (Of course, he's reading this, so now he faces
lb> a dilemma....what to do, what to do....)
The solution is obvious: Admit there are no gods and start thinking for
himself. That would remove the need to make an ass of himself publically
to try to pretend otherwise.
FR> Let's hope he's working on casting off his religion.
lb> No, he was casting off facing that he was losing
lb> battles royally on about 10 different threads here.
That's too bad. That means that we all lose. If he were to realize that
his discomfort is predicated in the inability to defend an absurd belief
we would all win -- himself most of all.
lb> the wrong person to read it. At the very least it played HELL with
his
lb> self-righteous two month rant at Robert Curry for not protecting his
lb> email privacy.
Hypocricy. Gee. I've never seen Christians engage in that.
lb> Bottom line: it made a very convenience excuse to exit and
lb> feel picked on by the mean harpy again, instead of having
lb> to type up a bunch of posts here saying "oops, you were
lb> right". He'd come to the end of most of his ongoing
lb> threads, by painting himself into a corner with his arguments.
You know, leaving _is_ a smart move for fundies. Every time they post something
they only serve to solidity the resolve of their betters to fight against
the lunacy the fundy professes. It would be _damaging_ to reason were fundies
to flee all forums of open-minded thinking.
John Jeanault was right in that one area.
FR> I'll see if he's still in #holysmoke on IRC. I think he'll be back
lb> Nope. He's found greener pastures in anothernet, where he can
lb> converse without mean people disagreeing with him.
So he loses big time. Another victim of fundamentalist programming.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Then Hector, after I stuff it, would you please kiss my Holy, royal
red American, Christian ass? Then I will do like Jesus said, I will
turn the other cheek so you can kiss it to, you pompous little geek.
- Johnny Mckinney (Christian fundy)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Bathroom Staal
|Date: 08 Mar 97 10:01:04
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 331349e8
PID: FM 2.02
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 218a73ac
js> Hmmm...I don't know about this sleeping alone thing.
js> When the Lovely Wilbur [tm] isn't there...I get a bit
js> scared in the dark.
RS> Jimson not only justifying, but indicating he has marital
RS> affairs? LOL . . .
js> past affair.
rs> Now, I would have thought the odds on finding another person
rs> willing to sleep with Jimson to be very remote, but here we
rs> have the admission of same. Guess I better go buy a lottery
rs> ticket tonight for sure . . .
As I recall he has admitted to having a drinking problem as well.
I fully expect to hear another related admission coming up shortly.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You're soaking in it now. - Hector Plasmic
---
* Origin: Anti-woman, anti-gay, born against bigot go away (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Shoot out in North Hollywood
|Date: 08 Mar 97 10:05:59
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef4e
REPLY: 1:124/9005 33189529
PID: FM 2.02
FR> As you've probably all seen we had quite a shoot out here in
FR> this area -- yesterday I was having lunch at a "Baja Fresh"
FR> about two miles from where the shooting began and thought
FR> about going back today.
sq> Hmm...we could almost have a sick contest about who's been closest to
sq> the biggest act of lunacy. :-/ Darlie Routier killed "at least one
of
sq> her kids" just two minutes from here.
A sick contest? In HolySmoke?! What a wonderful idea!!! }:-} We've
never had one of those yet.
FR> What's interesting is the speculation the authorities are leaking
FR> out already about the shooters.
By the way... The media has been "requested" not to speculate and no police
official or government official is airing such speculation any more.
sq> I would expect more gun legislation to follow. THAT'LL STOP 'EM!
That's a given.
sq> It> certainly stopped the guy in the
sq> Humperdink's restaurant here last year.
sq> Martin Goldberg, remember that one? The guy pulled his gun out of his
sq> car so he could shoot his ex-girlfriend and the restaurant's manager,
sq> but when he noticed the "No guns" sign on the restaurant's door, he
put
sq> it back into the car, went back inside, and resolved his differences
sq> amicably.
And the off-duty police officer who followed the sign... Can't forget that.
FR> As the organizational backgrounds and training backgrounds of the
FR> two dead "suspects" becomes known, anyone want to place a gentelman's
FR> wager that we'll all learn that the most violent bank robbery in
FR> California's history was instigated at the behest of a right-wing
FR> extremist group?
sq> Wait until the facts come out. :)
I am most certainly have this story red-flaged.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ Deal with it, pink boy. - Crow T. Robot
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* Origin: Anti-woman, anti-gay, born against bigot go away (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Convention on the Rights of the Child
|Date: 08 Mar 97 10:07:20
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef4f
REPLY: 3:711/933 3315c217
PID: FM 2.02
ags> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Still the sweaty sodomite, huh Tony?
>>> The Convention on the Rights of the Child - 1/2
FR> Are you a member of NAMBLA?
ags> Never heard of it.
Right. I'll put you down as a fully-paid member.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ "I was on my knees, doggie-style, with my feet hanging off the bed...
He pulled his jogging suit down around his ankles and left his T-shirt
on... He stuck it in and pumped a couple of time and pulled it out...
He was very easy. A few pumps and that was it. He'd just moan, and as
soon as he got done, he'd throw the rubber in the trash, tuck it in and
walk out the door."
-- Debra Murphree refering to Jimmy Swaggart
(Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
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* Origin: Anti-woman, anti-gay, born against bigot go away (1:218/890)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: Convention on the Rights of the Child
|Date: 08 Mar 97 10:07:36
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 2187ef50
REPLY: 3:711/933 3315c217
PID: FM 2.02
ags> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You like to be butt fucked, right? But not
everbody enjoys your idea of fun, dear. Not everyone is
into sweaty Alpha Male anal games, you know... Not that
I'm against homosexuals, mind you... I'm one of the most
gay friendly guys you're likely to find. It's just that I
have to wonder about people who employ the audacity of
giving everyone a homosexual lover Alpha Male deity
construct.
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm
frice@linkline.com or frice@stbbs.com
~*~ You could have chosen to be respectable. You could have become a
priest and just been satisfied to pork an alter boy every now and
then. - Jack O'Neill
---
* Origin: Anti-woman, anti-gay, born against bigot go away (1:218/890)
|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: OOPS, CAUGHT AGAIN
|Date: 04 Mar 97 17:44:35
EID:f30d 22648d80
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 158eaa74
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 1c029112
On (03 Mar 97) Jim Staal babbled to Marilyn Burge...
JS> On (02 Mar 97) Marilyn Burge wrote to Roger Hunter...
MB> On (25 Feb 97) Roger Hunter babbled to Jim Staal...
JS> As I have broken my leg on the ice on Valentines Day, I could
JS> use all the $$$ help I can get. A high energy music ministry
JS> cannot be effected from a wheel chair or crutches.
RH> Why not? You sing with your legs, maybe?
MB> He's the only fundy I've ever seen who will openly bum money on
MB> an international FidoNet echo. Tackey!
JS> Why is that 'tackey'? Better hear among friends than on some street
JS> corner with strangers.
Nope. Better planning in advance for a rainy day and bumming
from on one because of self-sufficiency.
MB> Why doesn't his gawd provide? And, how come predestination
MB> isn't trusted to feed him during his convalesence? If he were
MB> meant to get money to sustain him during this time, he wouldn't
MB> need to ask for it.
JS> Ahh...I never underestimate those 'mysterious ways' God uses. Let us
JS> not lose sight of the 'ask, seek, knock' lesson:
I'm familiar with it. It's talking about asking gawd, not
asking strangers on an electronic bulletin board.
JS> (Mat 7:7 NIV) "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will
JS> find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
JS> (Mat 7:8 NIV) For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds;
JS> and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
JS> And my thought is, 'he who sits on his butt and does nothing, can
JS> expect just that'.
And, he who saves his money for a rainy day can expect to be
sustained by his own foresight when tough times come.
... Isn't "criminal lawyer" a redundancy?
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 04 Mar 97 07:03:54
EID:a377 22643860
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 9a399954
REPLY: 1:229/622.0 331b41ab
On (03 Mar 97) Judith Bandsma babbled to Marilyn Burge...
-=> Marilyn Burge said, in a huffy tone of voice, to RIC CARTER <=-
MB> Fundies may subconsciously make the choice to be braindead.
JB> Uh, don't they do that consciously?
If you're braindead, you aren't conscious. Or haven't you
noticed that trait in the fundies we get here -- the cream
of the crop, as it were.
... Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Charles Creager
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Theft & Catholicism
|Date: 01 Mar 97 20:58:01
EID:ae3a 2261a740
MSGID: 1:3639/88 330FAF5A
... Trust your neighbors, but brand your cattle.
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
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|From: Charles Creager
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Theft & Catholicism
|Date: 01 Mar 97 21:11:02
EID:ae3a 2261a960
MSGID: 1:3639/88 330FB284
In a message to Michael Hardy <02-20-97 01:04> Katherine Wintersnight wrote:
KW> MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org a65ef487
KW> MH>-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight to Michael Hardy <=-
KW>
KW> MH> MH> KW> It has not yet been determined if David is the God of
KW> Good Sex or the
Dear Katherine,
I do not know whether you or someone else is the originator of the followingŤ
quote, but I found it on your message.
KW> * OLXWin 1.00a * "God is an asshole"--MB
I really feel sorry for the person or persons that speak of God in thatŤ
manner. I feel sorry for them because they will have to answer to that
God.
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." (HebrewsŤ
9:27). That and many other Bible verses speak of the judgment to come.
TheŤ only way to escape is not to neglect the salvation that God has providedŤ
through His Son, Jesus Christ (Cf. Hebrews 2:3). Whether or not you have
doneŤ so, I do not know, but if you haven't (and I question whether you
have basedŤ on what I have read that YOU have written), then you are headed
for a Godless
enternity. Don't say that you will have many friends there. There you
willŤ have NO friends. I am your friend, because I am concerned for your
soul.
Respectfully,
CCSr
... Help me look, Please? I've lost my damned innocence again
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: clones
|Date: 04 Mar 97 20:39:31
EID:d633 2264a4e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 7663151d
REPLY: 1:170/551.0 1615951f
On Mar 03 10:55 97, Karl Schneider of 1:170/551 wrote:
JH>> rest assured that the Japanese (and others) will be going
JH>> full steam ahead to develope the economically exploitable
JH>> aspects. And in the end, we will be buying the technology
JH>> from them because we sat on our hands.
KS> And, assuming they can afford it, will result in some
KS> really awesome NFL teams...
I doubt it will ever result in producing full fledged copies
of adult human beings (it'll always be cheaper to make them
the old fashioned way).
But just think what it could do to the field of organ
transplantation. No time spent waiting for a donor. No
fruitless searches for a perfect tissue match. If you need a
kidney or a liver ya GROW ONE. Of course, for ethical
reasons, you would have to grow it in a non-human host animal.
But this has now become something within the realm of the
"maybe do-able".
Four more years! - Live with it!
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: 3 The List
|Date: 04 Mar 97 20:49:28
EID:b3a9 2264a620
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 7663382d
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 46846b84
On Mar 02 11:13 97, Katherine Wintersnight of 1:381/123@fidonet.org wrote:
KW> *J. J. Hitt Houston, TX Something very odd
KW> ??? and out of alignment-
KW> as well as an atheist.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, I've never been quite that committal. I fluctuate
over a range that goes from atheist, through agnostic and
into Deist.
It depends on the setting, context, how the other party defines
the concept of a "god" and wether I think they will bite me or
not.
I readily accept that "religious behavior" is a part of the human
experience. And while it may very well be based on nothing more
than wish fulfillment, it's not going to go away anytime soon.
Indeed, if all the contemporary belief systems were to disappear
one Monday, people would invent new ones by the following
Wednesday. (And probably, being human beings, be killing each
other over them by Friday.)
Four more years! - Live with it!
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:05:21
EID:723f 2264b8a0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331caab1
-> On 02 Mar 97 18:22:34, Dave Hamilton got back to Dan Ceppa
RC>> Zero. :-)
DC> It's simply amazing how often that non-existant number seems
DC> to always crop up, isn't it?
DH> Wasn't he a Mexican cowboy with a fencing foil?
Close: He was a Olde Californian cowboy with a prefect foil:
John Brawley
... More I learn about religion...more I like Video games
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: More Christian nuts
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:19:50
EID:6fcf 2264ba60
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cae16
-> On 02 Mar 97 06:46:54, Rod Swift got back to All
RS> ``To equate the nudity of the Holocaust victims in the
RS> concentration camp with any sexual connotations is outrageous
RS> and offensive,'' D'Amato said.
My regard for D'Amato when up a peg.
RS> Coburn, co-chairman of the Congressional Family Caucus,
RS> said that while the film was given a rating for mature adult
RS> audiences, ``the fact that it aired on public television on a
RS> Sunday evening during a family time should outrage parents and
RS> decent-minded individuals everywhere.''
What is outrageous is that what happened in the film is
documented fact. What is truly outrageous is that there
are people that do not know what had happened.
What is downright disgusting are those that claim that what
was shown didn't ever happen.
... Mr Schreiber? Why did you get a tatoo that only says "127043"?
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: The Flock
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:37:44
EID:469f 2264bca0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cb248
-> On 03 Mar 97 09:34:24, Mark Kimes got back to Martin Goldberg
KY>> And no, currently I am church hunting..
MG> What's the legal limit?
MK> Seems we've just solved the "mystery" of all those church fires, eh?
MK> Has anyone notified Kenny's family, or the FBI?
Why? Is this the off-season?
... Lawers & Hookers: Both hired to get their clients off.
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Truman Tours.
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:42:15
EID:610a 2264bd40
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cb357
-> On 04 Mar 97 03:25:24, Laurie Appleton got back to Robert Curry
RC> But a tour of Mt. St. Helens by "former President Harry
RC> Truman" DOES seem realistic to you? Say, did you get his
LA> Are you saying that you know for a fact that Harry Truman
LA> never went to Mt. St. Helens?
You were claiming that you where there with Truman, Laurie.
Provide the evidence for that.
... "I seemed to have misplaced my brain, again." : Laurie Appleton
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Water and Flood (b).
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:46:07
EID:ec06 2264bdc0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cb43f
-> On 04 Mar 97 03:23:52, Laurie Appleton got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Now, tell my about your walk with Truman.
LA> Well we were looking for John Musselwhite, because he was
IOW, pinhead, you can't back up your "walk with Truman".
Why isn't that surprising.
... Just when can you afford to get your brain out of hock?
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 05 Mar 97 00:18:29
EID:32d2 22650240
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cbbd5
-> On 28 Feb 97 08:39:23, John Brawley got back to Dan Ceppa
JB> However, in a generic sense, it's as illogical to DISbelieve (in a
JB> "God" or gods) as it is to Believe. Neither position can be proven
or
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus, John? If so, why?
... Silly Rabbit--Tricks are for Gods!--Loki, Hermes, Coyote, Raven....
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 05 Mar 97 00:22:53
EID:32d2 226502c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cbcdd
-> On 28 Feb 97 09:02:04, John Brawley got back to Dan Ceppa
RS> JB> 6 - 8 = -2
JB> [-3][-2][-1][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5][+6][+7]
JB> 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
RS> DC> Try using your 'logic' with 6 - 6, John. The answer,
RS> DC> according to what you typed above, is [+1]
JB> (*) Dan's got me so far, on this one, even though with marbles, his
DC> I didn't "get" you. John. I showed you were you went
DC> seriously wrong.
JB> (*grin*) I await your response to my escape....
You are seriously wrong, John.
Your escape is into your view of what you want to see.
Try looking at the reality.
... It's a fool's errand, which is why we asked you to attempt it.
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 05 Mar 97 00:24:52
EID:32d2 22650300
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cbd54
-> On 28 Feb 97 09:02:30, John Brawley got back to Dan Ceppa
RS> JB> 6 - 8 = -2
JB> [-3][-2][-1][+1][+2][+3][+4][+5][+6][+7]
JB> 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
RS> DC> Try using your 'logic' with 6 - 6, John. The answer,
RS> DC> according to what you typed above, is [+1]
DC> I didn't "get" you. John. I showed you were you went
DC> seriously wrong.
JB> 6 - 6 = none ("zero"):
And, John, just where is the Zero bloock, other than the
Zero-must-block-it-out-block that you ignore?
... "Your god has made an ass out of you.": Larry Meyering
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Dinosaur Shoes
|Date: 05 Mar 97 00:31:21
EID:d961 226503e0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cbed9
-> On 28 Feb 97 03:44:03, Sue Armstrong got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Are they making new shows of the _Dinosaurs_?
SA> No; the last episode they made was most definitely an ending. They
SA> just showed it on reruns last week; it's quite well done.
And, at the same time I got a shit load of new VCR tapes to
tape them, they don't broadcast it any more!
SA> it's best left to be seen for the self. If you DON'T get it, I'll
SA> be happy to detail it for you.
I'll hold out for a while. There may be enough TV stations
that will start the series up again. After all, it's better
than the _Beverly Hillbillies_ that they are now pandering
off as "entertainment".
... Celibacy: NOT hereditary. Your children force you to it!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Goofiness.
|Date: 05 Mar 97 00:49:53
EID:8674 22650620
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cc331
-> On 28 Feb 97 03:21:02, Sue Armstrong got back to All
SA> Talk about beanheads. Sheesh. The movie may have left out quite a
Not beanheads, shit heads.
SA> bit (I read the book on which the movie is based after I saw it) but
I'll try to give that a read some time, as I know that some of
the story was not exactly factual on the why's and wherefore's
as to Schindeler.
SA> it's still a damn fine, and important, work that kids SHOULD see, if
And, they must. It's the furthest extreme from a Walt Disney movie,
but it is based on what did happen and should never, ever happen
again.
SA> belongs to some sort of Christian "pro-family" group, so he probably
SA> doesn't like to admit what hatred can do.
I've seen the aftermath of what non-admitance of what "It
won't happen here" can do. "It's not possible!" has been
the decry. But, it did, and it has been documented, not
just by the movie but by those who were there and by those
that liberated the places that those people were exterminated.
It may be 50+ plus years since my Dad was there. He saw,
first hand, what it was. I will not, to my last breath,
ever let it happen again.
And showing it for what it was is the best way.
... Nie wieder Faschismus! (in English: Fascism, never again) ...
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Warring Christan Faction
|Date: 05 Mar 97 01:09:44
EID:eb6a 22650920
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cc7d8
-> On 27 Feb 97 12:44:38, Richard Smith got back to Dan Ceppa
KW> So Bear's still ahead of Leo.
DR> Ursa Major or Ursa Minor?
DC> Andress.
RS> . . . undressed . . .
She is far ahead of us, that's for sure! Something
like making it a photo-tittle!
... God likes to fool his creations so that he can send them to hell.
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|From: Mario Gonzalez
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: clones
|Date: 04 Mar 97 07:22:18
EID:2ff2 22643ac0
MSGID: 4:972/4.0 331c504d
REPLY: 1:170/551.0 1614464d
PID: BWRA 3.20 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
MG> KS> Well, 'Dolly', the first actual adult mammal clone is alive and
well.
MG> KS> Coincidentally, she's a sheep.
MG> KS> I'm having a devil (oops) of a time trying to figure out what impact
MG> KS> this will have on fundys...
MG> people with no souls roaming the planet!
KS> Better that than what we have now; fundys with no MINDS roaming...
After all the ethical debates are over I wonder if it will be OK
to clone myself, then in maybe 12 or 20 years harvest a new
heart for me and discard what is not needed
Dr. Mario Gonz lez
__o Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico.
_ \<._ gonzalez@telnor.net
(_)/ (_)______.-.______.-.______ Vamos a andar en bicicleta
... I tried leaving Lorena Bobbitt a message, but I kept getting cut off.
--- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: SECURE DIGITAL CONFER
|Date: 04 Mar 97 14:12:06
EID:6fc0 22647180
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 331c2e2c
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 8850e2fb
PID: GEDW32 3.0.a1221
02 Mar 97 08:26, John Brawley wrote to Roger Hunter:
JB> Just 'cause someone finally puts a needed hard drive into his machine
JB> ain't reason to think he's "rich." _You_ could do it, too, by
JB> scraping and scrimping a year or so, I'm sure, essentially same as
JB> me....
Did I mention the new Pentium, John? One also doesn't have to be
"rich" to have one of those - one just has to have a fucking *job*.
Were you planning to find a lawyer to take the lawsuit pro bono?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: stupidity multiplied
|Date: 04 Mar 97 14:14:27
EID:38d9 226471c0
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 331c2ea8
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 7edbc12f
PID: GEDW32 3.0.a1221
02 Mar 97 08:47, John Brawley wrote to ROBERT CURRY:
JB> Point being, a "zero block" is not absolutely necessary. Kids don't
JB> count marbles by taking the _first_ one in hand and chanting "this is
JB> the zero marble,"
Really? Amazing. I wonder why that is?
Could it be because that is the *first* marble? The had the "zero marble"
before they picked any up.
Do you enjoy being an uneducated buffoon, John?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: try 1
|Date: 04 Mar 97 14:19:03
EID:937c 22647260
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 331c2f89
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 6e690a0f
PID: GEDW32 3.0.a1221
02 Mar 97 09:01, John Brawley wrote to ROBERT CURRY:
JB> is continuous. The concept Tetrahedraverse is both --it blends the
JB> two systems, but keeps them separated.
"The ball is totally green, but it is also totally blue."
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|From: Doug Lee
|To: Anthony Grigor-Scott
|Sub: 666
|Date: 04 Mar 97 05:37:27
EID:f8dd 22642ca0
PID: BWMAX 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 331c3b6e
REPLY: 3:711/933 3319c04a
-=> Quoting Anthony Grigor-Scott to Doug Lee <=-
AG> Dear Doug Lee,
AG> Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
DL> And since I bear the Mark of Caine right now I'm beyond redemption.
AG> If you are in the physical lineage, you most certainly are.
DL> Apparently the Lord saw fit to condem me at the time of my birth.
AG> Why so? Did He condemn a horse at birth because he was a horse and not
AG> a sparrow? I fail to see your logic. The horse is born a horse because
AG> his parents were of that species. And the physical line of Cain, or
AG> Adam is the same.
Unbelievable! Tony you run around in more circles than a dog chasing his
tail.
In the first sentance you condem me...and the next you "fail to see the
logic"
DL> So since I'm already marked for the lake of fire, tell me why I
DL> should follow Christ's teachings??
AG> If you are, as you seem so certain, "marked for the Lake of Fire",
AG> then that is the result of your own free choice.
So tell me how I chose to bear the Mark of Caine at the time of my birth.
AG> And if you are
AG> physical or wilfully spiritual Serpent's seed, it's not a matter of
AG> "should I follow Christ's teachings". You can't.
Well aren't you the caring Christian.
AG> But I suspect you have chosen to be the way you are.
I don't suspect. I'm certain *you* have.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: A "Swiftie"!
|Date: 04 Mar 97 08:51:27
EID:f854 22644660
MSGID: 1:134/67.333 7dd712e6
REPLY: 3:640/238@Fidonet 8988f0b9
PID: TerMail 3 PROFESSIONAL
TAGID: Tag-O-Matic V.12 3a9
A bottle with the Appleton Label washed up on Jan Deboer's beach reading
A "Swiftie"!!
la> Hi Jan, (Re: yours of 24-Feb-1997, "A "swiftie"!")
jd>> On 23 Feb 97, Laurie Appleton wrote to John Musselwhite...
la>> Clearly, as things stand, I can see you with a very large SHOVEL in
la>> the process of time!
jd>> Around you, he'll need one for all the bullshipping.
la> :-)
jd>> Tell us again about your stroll around Mt. St. Helens with
jd>> "former President Harry Truman", a decade AFTER Truamn died!
la> Does that question mean that you have a morbid interest in DEAD
la> things? Anyway here is your message for today. Are you "listening"?
la> (Robert E.Lee, "Radiocarbon: ages in error". Anthropological Journal
la> of Canada, vol. 19(3), 1981, pp.9-29. Reprinted in the Creation
la> Research Society Quarterly, vol.19(2), September 1982, pp.117-127
la> (quotes from pp.123 and 125).
la> So how does that affect you?
Well... since it has been selectively edited, filtered and
misquoted in CRSQ, it holds less water than a poorly mended
fishnet.
TTYL
Joe Martin
... "God has no religion." Mahatma Gandhi
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: A "Swiftie".
|Date: 03 Mar 97 13:55:28
EID:6364 22636ee0
MSGID: 1:134/67.333 bed88eba
REPLY: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89712eb0
PID: TerMail 3 PROFESSIONAL
I can't believe Laurie spilled A "Swiftie". all over Dave Hamilton!
la>> Clearly, as things stand, I can see you with a very large SHOVEL
la>> in the process of time!
dh>> He must have one now if he's still reading your posts.
la> The shovels I referred to were COAL SHOVELS and they are presented
la> to those who are were particularly consistent deceivers, given to
la> distortions and misrepresentation, false accusations and LIARS. :-)
Not unlike the ones used by yourself and President Truman
while exploring Mt. St. Helens, I presume...
TTYL
Joe Martin
...Presidential Volcanic Tours - Call 1-800-SEE-COAL - Ask for Laurie
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 02 Mar 97 19:54:52
EID:26f4 22629ec0
PID: BWMAX 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 331af70a
REPLY: 1:3800/49 000a7518
David:
On 23 Feb 97 12:16:00, David Ragland penned the following to Martin Goldberg
re: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
DR> likely to be accurate in content. I know enough about science in
DR> general to know that that it cannot yet prove or disprove evolution
You don't know shit, Ragland. Allele frequency in a population
determines evolution and if you had any knowledge about science
at all, especially the life sciences you would KNOW that.
As is is your just another deluded fundy spouting
anti-evolutionistic crap like it was God's own truth.
DR> result of an accident. Design is evident in what science has
DR> uncovered. I see it. You don't. That's ok. I am not an enemy
DR> because of this. Can you see _that_ at least?
You're an enemy because of your stupid posts, David. Why should
anyone take you seriously when you tell people who are
attempting to help you understand science that they "need their
ass kicked".
You're just another version of Appleton, Ragland. Go back to
the Bible echoes where you can be a hero. Here you're just
making yourself out to be another goof.
John
... Person + delusion = psychosis. People + delusion = religion.
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Alternative or Straw.
|Date: 03 Mar 97 14:28:11
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I can't believe Laurie spilled Alternative or Straw. all over Joe Martin!
la>> (Dr Richard Dawkins (Department of Zoology, Oxford University, UK),
la>> "The necessity of Darwinism". New Scientist, vol.94, 15 April 1982,
la>> p.130.)
jm>> Laurie... are you _STILL_ trying to use this misquote?
la> It is not a misquote and you know it!
Then why, dear boy, do you so adamantly refuse to post
the remainder of the of the paragraph to put the [mis]quote
into context? Is that part missing from Quote book #90?
jm>> It's been debunked in DEBATE and EVOLUTION at least 4
or
jm>> 5 times... I guess since it doesn't work _there_ anymore you
jm>> feel that you can use it here... Well...
la> A bunch of silly comments hardly amounts to anything being
la> "debunked", nor does it prove that highly improbable thing can happen
la> just by expanding your ficticious billions of years with more and more
la> zero's! One evolutionist writes very frankly that;
la> (David E.Green (Institute for Enzyme Research, University of
la> Wisconsin, Madison, USA) and Robert F.Goldberger (National Institutes
la> of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, USA), Molecular Insights into the
la> Living Process, Academic Press, New York, 1967, pp.406-407.) (my Ref.
la> The Revised Quote Book #90 - emphasis added)
In other words, you haven't a clue what either Green or Goldberger
said because you are not quoting them ... you are quoting what
your little Revised Quote Book #90 has said they said...
Is that where you get the Eldredge and Gould stuff, too?
All neatly packaged for all occasions so you can debate
"just like his Duane" I can see where all the
ICR research funds are going now...
"Hey Henry!... I just found a biology line from a geologist
in a paper on cosmology... If we drop the past tense inflection
and the last 2/3 of the paragraph it looks like it supports
STASIS..."
"Great, Duane... then send it to Appleton... he'll use ANYTHING!
regards,
Joe
... If Elvis were dead, he'd be rolling over in his grave!
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|From: Doug Lee
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 03 Mar 97 15:38:31
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-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to Ken Young <=-
SA> Making a good die roll, Ken Young cast Cracker Barrel boycott at
SA> Fredric Rice .. and all hell broke loose.
KY> to be against homosexuality? And notice, I say,
KY> homosexuality, and not homosexuals, as there is a big
KY> difference.
mg> Tell us what the difference is, Jelly. How does your stinking
mg> god punish homosexuality without punishing homosexuals.
FR> Answer the question, Jelly.
KY> Gays will go to Hell if they are not saved, and if you are gay, you
KY> cannot be saved.
SA>
SA> Oh, lovely. So just by being homosexual, a person is condemned to
SA> hell? What a nice theology you have there, matey. You just stated
SA> that it's impossible for a homosexual ever to avoid going to hell.
It's just a deperate attempt to feel "special" in some why.
He reminds me too much of one of my co-workers. He became born again
sometime last october. However since about mid December I've become his
defacto soundingboard for the approval of Christ:
"...I feel guilty lifting weights. Should I even do that as a Christian?"
"...I only learned how to read and write. I never got anything else from
school....(later on he would say something like)...why do you read that?
What could you learn?..."
etc...etc... el barfo
He knows I'm not a Christian, yet he's semingly coming to me all the time
for all his moral delemas(sp).
He's looking for that apithany again I think. I don't have the heart to
point outto him that he's asking the guy who was born with the Mark of
Caine. I'm saving that. :>
BTW- How does the campain with the rugs progress???
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Flexible Dating.
|Date: 02 Mar 97 19:30:24
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Laurie:
On 26 Feb 97 08:49:28, Laurie Appleton penned the following to John Musselwhite
re: Flexible Dating.
JM> The basic idea of evolution is the single most tested
JM> and studied things in the scientific world, Laurie.
LA> It must be frustrating indeed then for you to find that
LA> it has FAILED every test that it was subjected to. It failed
Are you talking about Creationism again, Laurie? Evolution has
PASSED every test, which is why it saves lives and helps the
human condition.
LA> the first and "most obvious" and crucial test, of the FOSSIL
LA> record, didn't it? Let a couple of evolutionists themselves
LA> tell you about it;
I already have, Laurie... that's why I ignore you everytime you
open your yap. You wouldn't know a fossil if it hit you on the
head.
LA> (Charles Darwin, "On the imperfection of the geological
LA> record", Chapter X, The Origin of Species, J.M.Dent &
Darwin's dead, Laurie... remember? You keep flogging him like
a dead horse, but it doesn't do any good... he's still dead.
As for the rest of your feeble attempts at bashing science,
it's the usual crap you put out as opposed to anything that
deserves further comment. It's already been done to death.
LA> So if you know anything at all about the subject you might
LA> have been wiser to have said nothing!
Projection again, Appleliar? Why do you insist on continuing to
make a fool out of yourself here?
John
... I'm a lot like evolution. I don't tolerate genetic fuckups either.
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Harry Truman.
|Date: 04 Mar 97 09:02:52
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Greetings Laurie!
Regarding: [Harry Truman.] to Jan Deboer you said:
la> Hi Jan, (Re: yours of 25-Feb-1997, ""Plaisible"`Appletoon claims.")
jd>> 21 Feb 97 Laurie Appleton wrote to John Brawley...
la>> "Paleontologist (and evolutionary biologists in general) are famous
la>> for their facility in devising plausible stories; but they often
la>> forget that plausible stories need not be true."
jd>> GUFFAW!
jd>> Speaking of "plausible" stories, tell us again, Laurie, of your
jd>> stroll around Mt. St. Helens with "former President Harry Truman"
a
jd>> decade AFTER Truman died!!!!
jd>> GUFFAW!! ROTFL!!!
la> How can I tell you about such a thing since I would necessarily be
la> dead too wouldn't I? However since you seem desperate for someone to
la> talk to, here is something to think about for now! ([mis]Quoted in,
la> "Know Why You Believe",by Paul Little, 1988, p.123)
la> Let me know of you would like the continuation of this matter!
Did you really read this or has one of your Little
ICR revised quote books been dedicated to the matter?
Joe Martin
... Presidential Volcanic Tours - Call 1-800-SEE-COAL - Ask for Laurie
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la>>> "Peer reviewed" humbug. They are a mini CENSORSHIP system to ensure
la>>> that nothing gets published that the controllers of the paper does
la>>> not approve. Aren't you aware what Asimov
jm>> To insure that it is Science that gets published. Not a
jm>> thinly disguised dogmatic presentation of Christian biblical
jm>> literalism.
la> You are getting CLOSE! You only missed ONE word. What you meant,
la> but were afraid to admit it, was that it is to insure that
la> EVOLUTIONARY "SCIENCE" only gets presented. Even then it also means
a
la> SPECIAL FORM of evolutionary science at that.
Right... That's why none of the "highly intelligent, well
educated" creation scientists submitted only 18 papers
out of 135,000 to over 60 scientific journals. Perhaps
they were smart enough to realize that what they were
about to present was Biblical literalism. And the 18
that were submitted (12 to the same publication) were
rejected as being written by laymen at a high school
level! Science, indeed!
la> Dr. Preston Cloud, of the University of California at Santa Barbara,
la> (an evolutionist) has stated that;
la> "Although the creationists may be irrational. . . they have proved
la> themselves to be skillful tacticians, good organizers, and
la> uncompromising adversaries . . . Anyone who has studied THEIR BENIGN
la> MANNER IN PUBLIC DEBATE, their tortured logic and their often
la> scurrilous expressions in books and tracts for the faithful, has
la> little difficulty in visualizing creationist polemicists, given the
la> opportunity, in the role of Pius V himself."
la> ("Scientific Creationism, A New Inquisition," THE HUMANIST,
la> Vol.XXXVII, January-February, 1977, p. 67. My ref in, The King of
la> Creation, Morris, p. 77)(my emphasis)
la> How can people with such a "benign manner" on the one hand be
la> "showmen" on the other? How could THAT explain the regular discomfort
la> of (supposed) scientists who are alleged to have "mountains of
la> evidence"?
You just used a good example... MISQUOTING! You are quoting
Morris misquoting Cloud and you don't have a CLUE what Cloud
said! BTW... Better look up scurrilous.
la> Is THAT the best you can come up with?
No... but this is good:
"If man wished to know anything about Creation (the time of
Creation, the duration of Creation, the order of Creation,
the methods of Creation, or anything else) his sole source
of true information is that of divine revelation. God was
there when it happened. We were not there ... Therefore,
we are completely limited to what God has seen fit to tell
us, and this information is in His written Word.
This is our textbook on the science of Creation!"
- Morris
Joe Martin
... Tradition does not equal Truth.
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|From: John Musselwhite
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Information and Origi
|Date: 02 Mar 97 19:34:49
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Hi David...
On 23 Feb 97 13:17:00, David Ragland penned the following to John Musselwhite
re: Information and Origi
JM> Gee... you sound like Tony Ermie or Laurie Appleliar here,
DR> I was thinking about keeping you on as someone that I wanted to talk
DR> to until that comment. I like Laurie a lot. You need your ass kicked,
Well, David... this message says a lot about your character...
or lack of it. Appleton is one of the most notorious liars and
charlatans in Fidonet, and aligning yourself with him puts you
right in his bracket.
From the tone of this message it's obvious you have nothing to
say, just like your butt-buddy Laurie.
And BTW, you think you can kick my ass? Go ahead... and try.
Your GOD couldn't kick my ass, David... Of course, since your
war god consists entirely of the superstitious meanderings of
priests who needed him because they couldn't keep a real job,
and therefore doesn't exist, that goes without saying.
Go ahead, David... Make my day! Post some bad science or
bankrupt religious philosophy in response. We could all use the
laugh.
John
... So many Xians, so few lions.
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: rumpy lug (b).
|Date: 03 Mar 97 16:03:38
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I can't believe Laurie spilled rumpy lug (b). all over Joe Martin!
jm>> You are not a creationist... you are an anti-evolutionist.
la> Does that make any difference, even if you were right
Makes a big difference. You are the one whining for
balanced treatement. That means you want Evolution taught
with creationism.
Remember ... Balanced treatment means:
Evolution = IN Creationism = IN
You are arguing AGAIST the thing you say you want!
Right now the situation is
Evolution = IN creationism = OUT
Evolution is not the issue... quit trying to pretend it is and
offer some evidence FOR CreSci... Oh yeah... just remembered...
you CAN'T!
jm>> You offer NOTHING... ZIP... NADA in the way of support FOR
jm>> creationism. Why? because you HAVE nothing to support it WITH.
la> What is wrong with the fossil record? It is the very thing that
la> Creationists DO go for. Darwin himself admitted that the fossil record
la> was the most obvious and serious objection that could be raised
la> against his theory and 120 years later, leading evolutionists tell us
la> that Darwin's difficulty has still NOT been solved!
Right!... All the fossils were laid down by Noah's Flood... ooops
sorry... this is science... Ummm.. by a global hydraulic catastrophy??
Remember now... global hydraulic catastrophy.
Any Idea how the remaining animals, people, plants survived the
global hydraulic catastrophy? THis is Science, Laurie...
not religion... care to speculate on that one?... Scientifically?
(didn't think so)
jm>> Creationism is nothing more than a thinly disguised sect of
jm>> Christianity attempting to force its dogmatic version of biblical
jm>> literalism into a science class... you know it... otherwise you
jm>> would present some (ANY) evidence which shows it to be
jm>> scientific.
la> So why do you think that a number of evolutionists have stated in
la> writing that the Creation Scientists, whilst NOT discussing the Bible,
la> but by dealing with lots of scientific questions, almost ALWAYS WON
in
la> open, public, debates for a decade?
OOOOOOOH yeah.... AAAAAAAAAAALL those open public scientific
debates from, what almost a quarter century ago now... On which
Gould says:
Debate is an artform. It is about the winning of
arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth.
There are certain rules and procedures to debate that
really have nothing to do with establishing fact _
which they are very good at. Some of those rules are:
never say anything positive about your own position
because it can be attacked, but chip away at what
appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's
position. They are good at that. I don't think I could
beat the Creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in
courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you
cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer
direct questions about the positive status of your
belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second
day of the two week trial we had our victory party!
(taken from a 1985 lecture at CALTECH):
And Dawkins states:
"I had come a long way to perform the disagreeable task
of public speaking, because I believed in the truth of
the motion that I had been asked to propose. When I
discovered that members of the society were using the
motion as a vehicle for playing arguing games, I
resolved to decline future invitations from debating
societies that encourage insincere advocacy on issues
where scientific truth is at stake."
THOSE debates? on which Ellwanger. Remember Ellwanger
... He was instumental in 590 (Arkansas)... He is on
record as saying:
Mr. Ellwanger's ultimate purpose is revealed in the closing of his letter
to
Mr. Tom Bethell: ``Perhaps all this is old hat to you, Tom, and if so, I'd
appreciate your telling me so and perhaps where you've heard it before --
the idea of killing evolution instead of playing these debating games that
we've been playing for nigh over a decade already.'' (Unnumbered attachment
to Ellwanger Depo. at 3.)
jm>> I challenge you to produce one single scrap of evidence
jm>> that supports creationism that stands on its OWN merits. You
jm>> can't DO it ... can you!
la> Don't be silly, you are not capable of recognising real evidence,
la> even when you fall over it. Now, if you just try to apply the
la> principle that atheist evolutionist Richard Dawkins stated in that
la> quote I provided for you a number of times, you might just start to
la> get the idea. i.e.
la> "The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less can we
la> believe that it just happened by blind chance.
>>>>>>> Superficially <<<<<<<<<, the
On the surface
It may appear to be
Without looking deeper
la> obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer."
la> (Dr Richard Dawkins (Department of Zoology, Oxford University, UK),
la> "The necessity of Darwinism". New Scientist, vol.94, 15 April 1982,
la> p.130.)
And, as ALWAYS, when you misquote Dawkins I have to add the LAST
part of the paragraph to put the misquote back into context.....
SO... for the 7th time.... Here's the rest of what Dawkins said:
The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less can we
believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially the
obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer. But
Charles Darwin showed how it is possible for blind physical forces
to mimic the effects of conscious design, and, by operating as a
cumulative filter of chance variations, to lead eventual to organized
and adaptive complexity, to mosquitoes and mammoths, to humans and
therefore, indirectly, to books and computers.
la> How improbable is the origin of life then, Joe? Let another
la> evolutionist tell you;
la> (George Wald (late Professor of Biology, Harvard University), "The
la> origin of life". Scientific American, vol.191(2), August 1954, p.48.)
1 9 5 4 !!! Say... now THIS is current data! .........NOT!!
la> So there you have it.
So there I have 43 year old information. Of course...
Creationism is unable to change ITS theory and insists
that nobody else can either!
la> Why don't you just get down from your 'high horse' of evolutionary
la> dogmatism and bigotry and honestly look at the real facts and
I have... and Morris still says the Written Word of God
is our textbook on the science of Creation. And it is STILL
against the American Constitution to teach religion
in public schools and you have YET to post anything
that supports the idea that it ISN'T religion.
regards,
Joe Martin
... on the 5th day God said "Let there be air so birds won't have to walk"
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|From: Joe Martin
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: rumpy lug.
|Date: 03 Mar 97 16:48:58
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Greetings, Laurie. You were talking to Joe Martin
about "rumpy lug." on Mon 3 Mar 1997
la> Hi Joe, (Re: yours of 23-Feb-1997, "rumpy lug.")
jm>> What is it that would convice you, Laurie? A neatly cut out
jm>> portion of the "column" with each transitional conveniently dieing
jm>> and being perfectly preserved over its ancestor and then laid out
jm>> in chonological order.
la> There is no need for anything to be PERFECTLY preserved. It could
be
la> very very IMPERFECTLY preserved. However, for a Stratum that is
la> supposed to have lasted for a hundred million years or more, there
la> would HAVE to be at least SOME of it in every "neatly cut portion",
la> wouldn't there?
la> Mind you if the world was regularly subjected to catastrophic
la> events, perhaps caused by the sort of extraterrestrial IMPACTS
la> such as the Moon and other Solar bodies ..., then we could be
la> completely and totally deranged, couldn't we?
As far as I know, I don't think the moon has impacted the earth.
And for most of us, the speculation of you being deranged has
gone far beyond the hypothesis stage :)
Joe Martin
... Get the facts first... you can distort them as you go!
--- Terminate 3.00/Pro
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|From: Doug Lee
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: The end of the world is nigh!
|Date: 04 Mar 97 06:01:45
EID:5ebf 22643020
PID: BWMAX 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:134/67.0 331c3b6f
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 3319feda
-=> Quoting Sue Armstrong to All <=-
SA> I got a job! A real job! One in an actual factory! (Fitting, no?)
SA> I'm going to be making seat-belt components for some factory out in
SA> the county (Quality Safety Systems).
Is that part of the Ford plant out there??
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Graham Drummond
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 04 Mar 97 10:51:11
EID:4405 22645660
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 331c52ff
REPLY: 3:640/375@fidonet 3318855d
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Graham Drummond said this about Reading Incomprehension
G'day Graham,
MO>> While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as
GD> Why, you evil, wicked, malevolent, nefarious old crone! How dare
GD> you steal my header! :)
I've been using it for over a year ya silly bastard! ;-) If memory serves
me, since just before be both got chucked out of TRI_RELIGION. So NYER!
;-) OBTW, when do you want these CDs of yours back? I gotta move in about
10 days so I mightn't see them again for a couple of weeks. While I'm
here, I ordered the second FIGHT CD last week. I should have it by the
time you get this. Slip over for a brew soon mate. The pub is next door
afterall. %-)
GD> ... If God had meant for us to be naked, we would have been born that
GD> way.
LOL! You fuckin' idiot. ;-)
/\\ark...
... "gays may subconsciously make the choice to be homosexual" - Ken Young
--- Spot 1.3a #1526
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: More fucking christians
|Date: 04 Mar 97 16:47:04
EID:6ff2 226485e0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 331ca668
REPLY: 1:105/302.666 3f326c4f
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Marilyn Burge said this about More fucking
christians
G'day Marilyn,
SQ>> Oh yes, I'm certain that a Sheneism is imminent.
MO>> ^^^^^^^^
MO>> Can't say I've ever heard this word before mate.
MB> I dragged Paul Shene in here from a local echo. He said
MB> he was going to prove there was a god, then his HD crashed.
Gotcha now. Another back-door retreating fundy. Everytime I see one of
these morons doing the backpedal, it only enforces one's beliefs or
attitudes. Agnostic in my case. Cretins.
/\\ark...
... Cyber-Dog food: Kibbles and Bytes, Kibbles and Bytes.
--- Spot 1.3a #1526
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Around the World in 80 P
|Date: 04 Mar 97 17:36:34
EID:b821 22648c80
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 331cb202
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 330a3d86
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Dan Ceppa said this about Around the World
in 80 P
G'day Dan,
MO>> I'll take Hell anyday. Afterall, there's bound to be a good pub there.
DC> If there ain't we'll open one, charging a hefty fee at the door
DC> for the xians that are trying to sneak in for a cold one.
Mate, we'll make a fortune. We'll ahve to keep a reserve of make-up on
hand for the Tammy-Faye's as well. That'd be pretty lucrative too IMO.
/\\ark...
... Appleton: More hopping mad than any kangaroo.
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 04 Mar 97 17:40:54
EID:957c 22648d00
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REPLY: 1:270/420.0 331600ac
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Ken Young said this about Exemplifying examples
KY>> Come on, a little intelligence would be nice.
RS>> He can have yours. You're not using it.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!! Classic!
/\\ark...
... Study immolation: Be a scientific Cremationist!
--- Spot 1.3a #1526
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Clones vs Clowns
|Date: 05 Mar 97 13:03:02
EID:285d 22656860
MSGID: 1:229/622 331d6f06
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 331ae13a
CHRS: IBMPC 2
PID: FleetStreet 1.18+
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10440
-=> David complained of warm pie, cold coffee, and no paper to Judith <=-
DW> Heh. I wonder if you can change the sex of a clone? That might be the
DW> best way to find a woman I can get along with. :)
The likeliest end of that scenario would have us attending the funeral of
both of you. Do YOU really think you could live with...-you-?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 04 Mar 97 19:26:40
EID:0116 22649b40
PID: BWMAX2 3.20 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:229/622.0 331da334
REPLY: 1:121/45.0 331bcfa3
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10440
-=> Sue complained of warm pie, cold coffee, and no paper to Jim <=-
SA> definitive statements on the topic of medicine. Please provide
SA> evidence that the head was reduced in size within the birth canal.
According to Jimbo, anything past the cervix is out of the 'birth canal'.
He doesn't even know enough anatomy to know what he's blathering about.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Damned Shoes
|Date: 05 Mar 97 12:40:52
EID:947d 22656500
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MSGID: 1:229/622 331d6a0b
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10440
About a message of Don Martin to Richard Smith:
DM> It gets better and better. An incubus is a male spirit
DM> that has intercourse with sleeping women [...]
Sometimes referred to as "husband who just arrived home
drunk."
--- FleetStreet 1.18+
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: READING INCOMPREHENSI
|Date: 05 Mar 97 12:49:10
EID:44cf 22656620
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 3310670a
MSGID: 1:229/622 331d6c3e
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10440
KY>> Oh, I am fairly new myself.. But I can assure you, from me, you
KY>> ain't seen NOTHING yet! :)
DM> Ah, a willing buyer meets the willing seller. That specimen of
DM> "dumbest" was but the tip of the haemorrhoid: Jelly has _miles_ to go
DM> in that line before he finally sleeps.
Though he is far from dark and deep, if HolySmoke appears thus to
him. I enjoy the cruise through the mail packets, much as lifting
the window curtain to see what weather the day is likely to bring.
A delightful experience.
--- FleetStreet 1.18+
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|From: Dave Hamilton
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 05 Mar 97 12:56:32
EID:9946 22656700
REPLY: 1:3603/210 418875fe
MSGID: 1:229/622 331d6dc2
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10440
DH>> Wasn't he a Mexican cowboy with a fencing foil?
RC> Only eleven steps from ZERO, not a south-of-the-border HERO,
RC> following a path trampled by a HERD of words (it isn't HARD)
RC> lubricated by LARD placed before us by the Good and Salty LORD
RC> to lighten our LOAD, as explained to me by a magical TOAD who
RC> TOLD of the TOLL that all this TOIL takes on one trying to
RC> reach that fencing FOIL.
Sorry, I only had three university math courses. Was that
a 'yes'?
--- FleetStreet 1.18+
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|From: Tom Huber
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Mormongate
|Date: 04 Mar 97 23:23:00
EID:9e08 2264bae0
MSGID: 1:115/477.0 8AA42EDD
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0102
SQ>I have a feeling that a couple of local bishops don't agree with you
on
>that. My wife and I are of the opinion that the local Mormon authorities
>believe that I'm keeping her away from their church, and that thusly gives
>them a carte blanche to do an end run around me. My wife decided -five
>years ago- that she wanted nothing more to do with the LDS church, and
>after becoming exasperated by the harassment from the "home teachers" and
>so forth, she asked me to "turn on my charms" and take care of the issue.
>I've been fairly nice through most of the thing, and not until the last
few
>encounters have I made threats. My favourite was when I told a caller
>(politely) that I had had enough, and the next phone call would be met
with
>a restraining order. So what does the fuck do? He writes a letter to
my
>wife -- plain envelope with no return address -- and says "I think I
>offended your husband. Please call me if I can be of any assistance."
>We're not dealing with intelligence here, unfortunately.
Obviously.
SQ> TH> This appears to be an individual thing, because where such has been
> TH> expressed in those areas where I've lived, such wishes *have* been
> TH> honored.
SQ>Welp, we've been ignored in two locations: Once in Murray, UT, the other
>in Dallas, TX. It sure was nice to hear the gasps when the two ladies
>visited my wife's apartment, only to find a MAN living there. :) They
>didn't seem to understand when I said "Go away" the first time, as they
>came back just two weeks later to hear it again.
I can understand the stupidity in Murray. Texas has me wondering, unless
it has something to do with certain Texas types (not all Texans are bad
at all, just some of them (like a former President - you pick ).
SQ> TH> I suspect you have already done the usual things: had your wife
write
> TH> a letter indicating that she wanted her name removed from the roles
> TH> of the church and sent to both the local bishop and stake president
SQ>That, I will not do. As far as I'm concerned, I'm dealing with an
>organization whose members have engaged in stalking and who have refused
to
>tell me how they know of my wife's whereabouts (Her family didn't tell
>them, as they call here looking for her under her maiden name.).
That's strange, to say the least. Most of the records are computerized
today, and we usually don't see anything like that unless someone has
really been lazy...
One of the problems in today's society is that too much information is
available to anyone that wants it. One of the themes that I've used in
some of my SF deals with this very problem. What gets to me is that we
are too stupid to see it and do something about it. I think you've run
into another use of something that should be private information, but
probably isn't.
SQ>I have one of those here, too. They have not attempted to enter my house,
>and I really, -really,- hope that they don't.
Don't put it past them. Some are stupid enough to try.
Tom
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Websites Etc.
|Date: 04 Mar 97 03:20:11
EID:68d0 22641a80
MSGID: 1:207/212 e120edca
On (21 Feb 97) DAVID RICE wrote to DARRYL GONZALEZ...
DR> By the way: there is evidence that Jesus was homosexual.
DR> This is quite possible since he was Helenized. His lover
DR> may have been the youth Lazarus, as one of the early
DR> Gospel According to Mark claims.
Oh, I didn't note that part.
But I do remember a part in the Gospel of John where John is laying with
his head on Jesus' chest and referring to himself as "the apostle whom
Jesus loved."
... "Gee, Brain, what are we gonna do tonight?" - Pinky
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 05 Mar 97 01:37:10
EID:4815 22650ca0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cce46
-> On 02 Mar 97 08:15:34, Jim Staal got back to Judith Bandsma
JS> I really was...and conjugation and synopsys of verbs as well.
synůopůsis
noun synůopůses
: condensed statement or outline
You have no functioning synapses to outline, Jimbo.
It's 'synopsis', "erudite one".
... "I'd use a dictionary if I knew how to spell." Jim S. Mabon Staal
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 05 Mar 97 01:46:09
EID:c0f2 22650dc0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cd061
-> On 02 Mar 97 08:12:58, Jim Staal got back to Martin Goldberg
JS> Sorry. I am no scientist.
That's quite obvious.
JS> I realize that many things claimed are
JS> impossible without Divine intervention.
The only truth that you can come up with about your
existence, then, is that your god does create
idiots in his image. You surely do need a bigger
mirror to see that.
... FAITH: Fanatics Abandoning Intelligence Through Holiness
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 05 Mar 97 01:55:00
EID:363d 22650ee0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cd274
-> On 03 Mar 97 06:15:41, Jim Staal got back to Fredric Rice
JS> I have only one master: Jesus Christ, and He asks only that I love Him
JS> and keep His commandments.
Do you get top or bottom?
... "I was indicating that I knew nothing of the Bible" Jim Staal
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Promisekritters
|Date: 05 Mar 97 01:59:24
EID:02fa 22650f60
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 331cd37c
-> On 03 Mar 97 06:53:52, Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Doesn't Jim Staal claim to be able to sing?
JS> The evidence is clear, with thousands sold.
Evidence that there are suckers born every minute.
... I don't know of any book of myths, but the Bible -- Jimson Staalin
--- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12
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|From: Shelby Sherman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: 7 The List
|Date: 05 Mar 97 11:03:54
EID:1fdc 22655860
MSGID: 1:123/67 331d5355
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 51d76fc7
PID: GED3 2.51.a901 124LM3
02 Mar 97 11:13, quoting Katherine Wintersnight to All:
KW> *David Worrell, TN Small Dicked Too long
KW> for aka Azirafel Misogynist (tm)
KW> other's comfort
KW> -about
At least you made the list, you needle-dicked woman hater.
--- GodEdit 0.00
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Secure digital conferencing and private
|Date: 05 Mar 97 03:09:28
EID:501f 22651920
MSGID: 1:123/67.7 331ce559
PID: GEDW32 3.0.a1221
02 Mar 97 09:37, Damien Wellman wrote to David Worrell:
DaWo>> Oh, btw... the book will set you back about $25. I realize
DaWo>> that's almost a year's salary in West Virginia, but we all have
DaWo>> to make sacrifices.
DW> Heh. Even if one ignores the one, I'm a high-school senior, soon to
DW> be a college stude