God Damned Fundies!
|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: Re: Founding Father Beliefs 2/2
|Date: 07 Mar 96 16:32:03
EID:cd94 20678400
" The belief that the United States was founded as a Christian
nation is held by those who think it's in danger of coming under
the influence of non-Christians. But the fact is it never was a
`Christian nation,' except in the most literal sense that most of
the people in it were Christian. Not a word is said about
Christianity in the Constitution. Nor is it mentioned in the
Declaration of Independence. The Declaration refers only to
`nature's God.'
" As for the beliefs of the founding fathers, the remarkable
thing is not that so many believed in Christianity but that so many
expressed doubts about it. Alfred Aldridge has shown that Ben
Franklin never believed in the divinity of Christ and as a young
man he toyed with polytheism. Frank Manuel reports that as an old
man John Adams became fascinated with paganism, and spent the
better part of a year slugging through the twelve volumes of
Charles Francois Dupuis's history of the origins of religion, which
advanced the heretical idea that Christianity and paganism stem
from common fertility myths. Adams never abandoned his faith in
Christianity, but was troubled enough by Dupuis's account to
suggest that a reward `in medals of diamonds' should be offered to
anybody able to refute him.
" Thomas Jefferson believed in God and considered himself a
Christian, but he seemed to reject the divinity of Christ and
considered Calvin's sermons blasphemous. Alexander Hamilton, both
at the beginning of his life and near the end, expressed faith in
Christianity, but during the revolutionary period he was utterly
indifferent to it. Ethan Allen derided Christian revelations as
either deceptive or `spurious.' Thomas Paine condemned the
`monstrous belief' that God had ever spoken to man. George
Washington, though he belonged to the Episcopal church, never
mentioned Christ in any of his writings and he was a deist."
-- "I Love Paul Revere, Whether He Rode or Not" by Richard
Shenkman, ISBN 0-06-016346-1, pages 27-8.
" Certainly the founders weren't hostile either to religion or
the clergy as, say, the French revolutionaries were soon to become.
But neither did they insist, one and all, that religion was a
pillar of liberty. Indeed, many of the most illustrious founders
plainly rejected the idea. Historian John Diggins say those
involved in writing and defending the Constitution, men like James
Madison and Alexander Hamilton, `expressed profound ambivalence
about religion, often seeing it as a divisive rather than
cohesive.' And some of those who later came to believe in the
necessity of religion, such as Adams, originally thought
religiosity was of little matter. Adams said in 1787 that `Neither
Philosophy, nor Religion, nor Morality' can govern people `against
their Vanity, their Pride, their Resentment or Revenge'; `Nothing
but Force and Power and Strength can restrain them.'"
-- "I Love Paul Revere, Whether He Rode or Not" by Richard
Shenkman, ISBN 0-06-016346-1, page 29.
BTW, I note two things. Firstly, Abraham Lincoln was not a founder
of this country, though you will probably utilize him because he's
commonly considered among historians to be the first president to
extort religion in government in any kind of active sense.
Secondly, you didn't give the citations of all the quotes
attributed to Washington by you, but instead give the Xtian history
books they are in. Can you be more specific?
... Careful planning is the key to safe and swift travel. -- Ulysses
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Kenneth is atheist
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:03:53
EID:90d4 20678860
Kenneth is atheist:
1% Martin Goldberg, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Kenneth Mcabee <=-
KM>>> There are no other gods.
DR>> What a stupid thing to say. Do you have any evidence that
DR>> the gods do not exist?
KM> The Bible.
MG> yAre you as simple minded as you present yourself here?
JG> What is wrong with being simple minded ?
Because simple minded people are stupid.
JG> I like the idea?
I knew it.
JG> The simpler the better.
I can understand how this would have an attraction to you.
JG> WHy try to make things complicated if they don't have to be.
Because he's not being uncomplicated, he's being stupid. He
utilizes the bible as a source for there being no other gods, when
he either forgets or is so monstrously uniformed to the fact that a
lot of other gods are mentioned in the bible, to wit (and please
note that this is not a complete list):
(ACT 14#:12)..Jupiter..........("Zeus-Pater").
(ACT 14#:12)..Mercurius/Mercury
(ACT 19#:35)..Diana of the
Ephesians.
(EZE 8#:14)...Tammuz...........(Assyrian/Babylonian).
(1KG 11#:5)...Ashtoreth........(Canaanite Goddess).
(1KG 11#:5)...Milcom...........(Ammonite God).
(1KG 11#:7)...Chemosh..........(Moabite war God).
(1KG 11#:7)...Molech/Moloch ...(Ammonite God).
(1KG 18#:18)..Baalim...........(Canaanite God[s]).
(1KG 18#:19)..Baal.............(Canaanite God ["Lord"]).
(1SM 5#:2)....Dagon............(Ekronian/Babylonian God).
(2KG 5#:18)...Rimmon...........(Babylonian/Syrian God).
(2KG 17#:30)..Ashima...........(Samaritan Goddess).
(2KG 17#:30)..Nergal...........(Assyrian/Babylonian God).
(2KG 17#:30)..Succoth-benoth...(Babylonian Goddess).
(2KG 17#:31)..Adrammelech......(Sepharvite God).
(2KG 17#:31)..Anammelech.......(Sepharvite God).
(2KG 17#:31)..Nibhaz...........(Avites God).
(2KG 17#:31)..Tartak...........(Avites God).
(2KG 19#:37)..Nisroch..........(Assyrian God).
(ISA 46#:1)...Bel..............(Assyrian/Babylonian/Sumerian
God).
(ISA 46#:1)...Nebo.............(Assyrian/Babylonian/Chaldean
God).
(JDG 8#:33)...Baal-berith......(A regional variation/aspect
of Baal).
(LUK 11#:19)..Baal-zebub.......(Philistine/Ekronian regional
aspect of Baal).
(NUM 25#:3)...Baal-peor........(Moabite regional variation/aspect
of Baal).
Ergo, the bible recognizes other gods as existing.
... Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names. -- John Kennedy
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Pharaoh Forced to Sin
|Date: 07 Mar 96 16:55:03
EID:2d8f 206786e0
Pharaoh Forced to Sin:
1% Michael Hardy, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Elliott Finesse <=-
MH> That was after the eighth plague. By that time, God had chosen to
MH> make an example of him -- inspired by his hardening his own heart over
MH> the first five plagues.
MH> All Pharoah had to do was free the Hebrews and repent before their
MH> God OF HIS OWN FREE WILL BEFORE GOD HAD TO RESORT TO REPEATED COERCION
MH> and I've no doubt that God would have forgiven him and blessed his
MH> people.
JG> What are we suppose to feel sorry for the Pharoah and Curse God for
JG> his wretched treatment of the Pharoah ?
JG> DUH ?
You mean other than that god stopped Pharoah from complying and
therefor caused the deaths of untold innocents that the Pharoah
probably felt bad for, for no other reason than god was having a
shit-fit?
Duh indeed.
... Buddhist ordering a pizza: "Make me one with everything."
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Re: Question
|Date: 07 Mar 96 16:58:18
EID:d399 20678740
Question:
1% Michael Hardy, 10% Ryan Shaw,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
RS> Michael Hardy spewed forth the following George Rudzinski:
MH> Is there? Unless someone is preventing black people from posting
MH> here, it seems it's purely a matter of whether any choose to. No
MH> one is keeping them out, nor is anyone forcing them in. That is
MH> true of all of us.
RS> Except for Staal of course. In his case, there seems to be some type
RS> of supernatural alien powere keeping him here against his will.
I bet it's Assmotrin that is animating the dead corpse of Staal.
Although I find this unseemly (why go out and steal a Rambler,
fer-crying-in-your-milk, when you could have stolen a decent
Pontiac or something?) I find it consistent with the behavior of
both Assmotrin and Staal . . . and it conveniently ties up a lot of
loose ends. NOW we know what the curse for J.J. is: to be followed
around by the undead Staal for the rest of his days. The horror,
the inhumanity . . .
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your Lake Superior." ?
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Tennessee Commandments
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:11:23
EID:3840 20678960
Tennessee Commandments:
1% Ryan Shaw, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> What's wrong with that ? As long as it isn't a law. What is wrong
JG> with encouraging people to post rules such as
JG> Thou shalt not kill
JG> Thou shalt not steal
In the first place, what you are quoting is not the Decalogue, or
Ten Commandments.
JG> And then encouraging people to abide by them.
Its one short step from encouraging to mandating.
JG> Would you prefer they encouraged people to bear and keep arms.
Where is that in the Decalogue?
JG> Lower the drinking and and legalize marijuana ?
Where is that in the Decalogue?
Now you're really being unread. Let me quote for you the Decalogue
(Ten Commandments) of the bible. I'm referring to the Decalogue
from Exodus 34:11-27, later broken and rescribed by Moses (I added
the numbers for edification purposes):
EXO 34:11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold,
I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite,
and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and
the Jebusite.
EXO 34:12 [1] Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with
the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be
for a snare in the midst of thee:
EXO 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and
cut down their groves:
EXO 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose
name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land,
and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice
unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his
sacrifice;
EXO 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their
daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons
go a whoring after their gods.
EXO 34:17 [2] Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
EXO 34:18 [3] The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven
days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee,
in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou
camest out from Egypt.
EXO 34:19 [4] All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every
firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is
male.
EXO 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a
lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break
his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt
redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
EXO 34:21 [5] Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou
shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt
rest.
EXO 34:22 [6] And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the
firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of
ingathering at the year's end.
EXO 34:23 [7] Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear
before the LORD God, the God of Israel.
EXO 34:24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge
thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when
thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God
thrice in the year.
EXO 34:25 [8] Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with
leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the
passover be left unto the morning.
EXO 34:26 [9] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt
bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. [10] Thou shalt
not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Anyway, these are the originals, as outlined:
EXO 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for
after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with
thee and with Israel.
EXO 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights;
he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote
upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten
commandments.
The others that we know of as the Ten Commandments (mentioned again
in Deuteronomy) are a later rewrite. The above laws are the only
listing of Yahweh's laws that are referred to as the Ten
Commandments in the Bible. Note that there are no demands to love
parents, none about killing, adultery, stealing, bearing false
witness, or coveting. In fact, the later rewrite might be a lot
easier to live under, if it ever come to that, for read above what
they would do to people who worship other than they would!
Get a clue.
... Facts are stupid things. -- Ronald Reagan.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: children
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:19:50
EID:3315 20678a60
children:
1% Karen Davis, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> In terms of "illegal" abortions, the woman is not "forced" to die.
They are forced to die because they are forced to have illegal
abortions, which are usually inferior to state-controlled medical
procedures.
... "We are upping our standards... so up yours." Pat Paulsen
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Your Daily Murder
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:39:23
EID:ac58 20678ce0
Your Daily Murder:
1% Al Schroeder, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> Actually this sounds quite HUMANE. Think about it. No point having all
JG> those orphaned children and widows around after their hubbys have died
JG> in the war.
You are a barbaric idiot. I hope you toast.
AS> (Small voice) What?
THIS is the type of Xtian I respect. My hat's off to you, Al. You
are humane, understanding, and from what I understand, give a heck
of a barbeque (G).
JG> These things were said "tongue in cheek".
Gristly bits of dying flesh. Ha. Ha.
Mothers and children in utter terror and hopelessness. Again. Ha.
The raping of the virgins commences. Giggle.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: you're one sick fuck,
boy.
JG> But you have to take into consideration that we are not talking
JG> about the 1940's or the present American idea of morality and
JG> spirituality.
So that makes it right?
JG> God has to deal with this
JG> kind of mentality in ALL people he tries to tell what to do. He does
JG> not and will not use people as puppets. We are free to choose what we
JG> will believe and do. And when it comes to listening to God, we will'
JG> only be able to do it in terms of what WE are willing to accept. We
JG> will interpret what God says in accordance to our own system of
JG> beliefs and what we consider appropriate behavoir. We are limited in
JG> our ability to percieve what god is telling us.
But god mandated the above-mentioned behavior. You make him sound
like a victim, when he's still got bloody slobber on his chin.
JG> We also have to deal with those who have no intention of listening
JG> to God. Therefore in those times to do any less than they did would
JG> have been to show weakness and not get the respect that winning a war
JG> brings.
So, kill those who don't believe as you do, eh? I have news for
you: war is not about respect. War is about conquest. Those
innocent women and children were killed by armies of god for no
real reason, no matter how much you try to get the clockwork
between your ears to rationalize it.
JG> That was life in those times and that was what God had to work with.
God mandated it, and god was responsible for it, yet to hear the
Xtians speak, he had no other choice, when in fact he did.
JG> And of course you wouldn't want to be taking another mans woman for
JG> your new bride. SO take only the virgins. And at the same time, you
JG> continue the race through the virgins.
What a dickless speciman of manhood.
AS> . . . I'm not blind to the offensiveness of that passage.
JG> But you are thinking in terms of todays standards and your spiritual
JG> enlightenment.
It doesn't matter when it happened, it was still wrong. Period.
JG> Now tell me, what do you do about these people who are intent on
JG> destroying you if you are the "bombee" ? What do you think God would
JG> tell you to do ? What do you think the people 5 or 10 THOUSAND years
JG> ago would "think" God was telling them to do. Also what would God have
JG> to tell the people to do in order to get those "bombers" to stop their
JG> aggression ?
I see. The women and children and the virgins all had bombs and
were picking on the superior forces of the armies of god. I had
thought you stupid, but now I can only say that you're a boob, a
drone, a no-necked little geek.
JG> I suggest that you also THINK THIS THROUGH !
JG> How do you stop unreasonable aggressive people from slaughtering your
JG> people if all they will respect is an equally agressive reply !
Kill the women and children and rape the virgins . . . yeah,
that'll get you feared but never respected . . . and it'll continue
the cycle of hate and war.
JG> Anything less will just cause them to fight back.
Heavens, we certainly wouldn't want the women and children and
virgins being raped to fight back while we were committing
atrocities on them. You're a pig of the lowest form.
I hope someone saved this for the FAQ. Fucking unbelieveable.
... Convert or Kill: It's not just a good idea, it's God's law!
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: childish ignorance
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:44:57
EID:2020 20678d80
childish ignorance:
1% Kenneth Cavness, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
KC> Well, *duh*.
KC> We have Grass on the Earth. That's proof enough for me -- it's right
KC> in front of you. Why can't you see it?
JG> You certainly are free to believe that, pardon me if I don't give it
JG> the same credibility I do to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
So, you don't believe in grass. Why is that?
... you believe your own bullshit?G.R.*No, but I do believe the Bible.K.M.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Evidence
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:48:24
EID:8408 20678e00
Evidence:
1% Andrew Masten, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> Scientists set up a laboratory to try and
JG> simulate the conditions of primal earth. Excuse me but are they not
JG> themselves proving that an intelligence is needed to arrange these
JG> conditions. And even then they cannot duplicate the process.
You've just proven that an intelligent creator couldn't have done
it. Congratulations.
... A hematite suppository will take care of that problem. -- J. J. Hitt
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: CHURCHES
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:51:35
EID:d75f 20678e60
CHURCHES:
1% Martin Goldberg, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> "Uninformed" ? I don't really know what that is suppose to mean.
No. I suppose you don't.
... Jim's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Evidence
|Date: 07 Mar 96 17:59:15
EID:8408 20678f60
Evidence:
1% Martin Goldberg, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
-=> Quoting Martin Goldberg to Jim Germiquet <=-
JG> I have to agree with you here. But then who is to say it didn't?
JG> I have always said that the theory of evolution takes more faith
JG> to believe in than the story of creation and should be called
JG> the religion of evolution :-)
MG> Then I would have to class you as a fundy moron. There are worlds of
MG> evidence for evolution. Almost as much as for gravity. do you call
it
MG> the Religion of Gravity?
MG> I'm afraid you look very foolish here. Get a simple biology text and
MG> study it. Then post what you know about evolution.
JG> And what genus does "fundy moron" come under in the evolutionary chart
JG> ?:-)
I don't know the genus, but I know it is a cercaria.
... Go soothingly on the greasy mud, for therein lurks the skid demon.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 07 Mar 96 18:00:51
EID:03ea 20679000
Thumb-sucking Fundy:
1% Martin Goldberg, 10% Jim Germiquet,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
JG> I am afraid that the WORD WAS defined and He IS a reality.
You have every right to be afraid. Be very, very afraid. But
prove it.
... AH, no you didn't, you came here for an *argument*!
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: Re: Waco Rememberance
|Date: 07 Mar 96 18:07:28
EID:60ea 206790e0
Waco Rememberance:
1% Fredric Rice, 10% Terry Liberty-Parker,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
TL> Fredric Rice wrote in a message to David Worrell:
FR> Are you clowns going to blow up another federal building this year?
FR> Today's the 4'th and so far the body count has remained
FR> stable. There has been nothing in the news about
FR> "remembering" Waco yet so I suspect the FBI is doing their
FR> job successfully.
dw> I'm hoping they get real brave and decide to attack an Army post or
dw> something similar. The 7th Light Infantry HQ would do nicely. Maybe
I
dw> ought to send Terry a map that he can pass on to his friends. :)
FR> That would KICK! I would gladly donate $100.00 to these
FR> unsalted nuts to buy ammunition for such a venture. Just
FR> think about it! These unsalted nuts take over a National
FR> Guard Armory and they can really dig in and stay put,
FR> safeguarding American Liberty.
TL> You boys look sooo cute.... exposing your biases and jacking each
TL> other off in public like this.....
Sounds like jealousy to me . . .
BTW, Fredric, I agree. I would pay to have pizza sent in, just to
watch the show.
... Terry's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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|From: Norbert Sykes
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: Re: NOT a Ringer, I swear!
|Date: 07 Mar 96 18:59:39
EID:a3fe 20679760
NOT a Ringer, I swear!:
1% Norbert Sikes, 10% Sean McCullough,
40% Sugars, & 49% Inert Materials.
SM> * Forwarded from "Holy Smoke!"
SM> * Originally by Sean McCullough
SM> * Originally to Gwenny the Pooh
SM> * Originally dated 4 Mar 1996, 20:29
> Kenneth Mcabee > George Rudzinski : NOT a Ringer, I swear!
SM> also wik Norbert Sikes
__________^^^_________^^^^^
ÿ ??? Sykes
> KM> I will accept the word on my Saviour Matthew 4:7.
> Your Savior is Matthew? Now THAT'S a serious schism in the Church
> . . .
SM> Your Saviour is Matthew??
SM> You're in DEEP TROUBLE!! :-)
Tell me about it . . . };) Any word from Gwenny? I haven't seen
her post here in the longest time.
... Astronomers do it with Uranus.
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|From: Jim Owens
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian canabalism
|Date: 07 Mar 96 20:20:00
EID:4b28 2067a280
MSGID: 1:3611/2 000d4ecd
FR>If you wish I could look up specific references to when and why the Christan
FR>ritual began to specifically state that the cookie actually becomes the
fles
FR>of their gods. It's described in several places in "Holy Horrors."
Is "Holy Horrows" a book? Yes, I would like to learn more. Offer of
help accepted!
Jim
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: Founding Father Beliefs
|Date: 07 Mar 96 00:33:00
EID:5737 20670420
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 2117ce67
REPLY: 1:280/26 6517a3eb
> On 02/07/96 at 00:20 STYX ALLUM posted to me the following quote,
> supposedly from George Washington:
> SA>> "The United States is in no sense founded upon Christian Doctrine"
> Since he did not post his reference, it is impossible to tell where
> he got the quote.
The information I provided was an excerpt from a compilation that
someone posted in HolySmoke sometime last year. As I was only
interested in providing the quotations (as opposed to a flood of
bibliographical footnotes) I elected not to include them in my
final archive copy.
The quotation has been addressed in a FAQ sheet which I located
during my search of the internet for "Treaty Of Tripoli".
Here is the applicable excerpt from the FAQ document:
_________________________________________________________________
[f19]
The USA is not a Christian nation/state
"Is it true that George Washington said that the United States is
not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion?"
No. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the
1797 Treaty of Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358):
Article 11
As the government of the United States of America is not
in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it
has in itself no character or enmity against the laws,
religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as the said
States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties
that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever
produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the
two countries.
The text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty
collections such as Charles Bevans' "Treaties and Other
International Agreements of the United States of America
1776-1949", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080).
The English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S.
Senate on June 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June
10, 1797. It was recently discovered that the Arabic version of the
treaty not only lacks the quotation, it lacks Article XI altogether.
The person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow,
Consul General at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an
opponent of Christianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article
XI, but since there is no Arabic version of that article to be found,
it's hard to say.
In 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer
contained the quotation.
_________________________________________________________________
Credits:
mathew
> He also posted me the following challenge:
> SA>> This is not a Christian nation. Don't just take my word
> for it. Take George Washington's.
I have familiarized myself with a myriad of different writings of
George Washington, and have seen no references to Jesus; rather
that of the supreme ruler of the universe (I don't recall his EXACT
wording, but that should suffice as an accurate paraphrase).
I found nothing which would lead me to believe that he intended
that religion should be a basis for founding our nation; rather
that such a nation should not restrict the practice(s) thereof.
Our nation permits atheism, as well; but it would be equally absurd
to claim that the United States is an atheist nation. Or Buddhist.
Or Muslim. Only egocentrical Christian arrogance would lead anyone
to believe that permitting Christian practices equates to actually
being a Christian nation. It most certainly is not. ("Thank God!")
;-D
> It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe,
> without the agency of a Supreme Being.
Not at all impossible. Occam's Razor easily illustrates that.
> It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of
> a Supreme Being.
Any being, whether human or otherwise, which could do such,
would be considered supreme. Therefor, the statement is academic
and moot. It also says nothing of whether the being relates to
Christian dogmas.
> It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being.
> Religion is as necessary to reason, as reason is to religion.
That is by far the most ludicrous statement that I have seen in
many months. It ranks among statements like "this software makes
your system run faster"; whereas it merely lessens how slow it runs.
The speed of the machine remains constant. Calling something
"necessary" does not make it so. Religion exists DESPITE lack of
viable (i.e. rational) reasoning.
> On October 9, 1789, President Washington wrote:
> While just government protects all in their religious rights,
> true religion affords to government its surest support.
"True religion" supporting the government; not vice versa.
Read your constitution, Robert.
Had his government been Christian, it most assuredly would NOT
support non-Christian religious ideals. He sought to protect
ALL in their religious rights.
> Post your sources Styx, or it will be safe to assume that you
> made it up the quotes.
Fallacy of false cause again, mister Christian?
Assume all you want. It merely proves that you know nothing about
me that you should make such a pompously blind allegation.
Ask your god for forgiveness, as you'll receive none from me.
-Styx
P.S.
It shall be amusing to see you attempt to portray Jefferson as a
Christian.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 09 Mar 96 09:58:00
EID:4ceb 20694f40
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 2289b39d
REPLY: 1:228/26.14 1b80f676
>>> have left the echo for good
> SA> We've heard this story before. We know how it (never) ends.
> SA> Jimbo has already slipped up a couple of times.
> js> Only once, sir...ok...this twice.
> FR> You may not leave until _I_ say you may.
> Does that mean I have to come back???
No, because you obviously never left.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Question
|Date: 09 Mar 96 10:09:01
EID:4ac0 20695120
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 2289b39e
REPLY: 1:280/76.0 142fd2f2
>SA> Paraplegics? Elderly? People with hairy backs?
>SA> Where should the ethnic/racist/sociopolitical classification
>SA> end, George?
> I normally don't divulge such information but I feel strangely
> compelled to do so... I'm a bi-sexual, Transylvanian, vegetarian,
> non-smoking, loves-to-dance, near-sighted dwarf.
Oh, sure. And you probably drink coffee and drive a car, too.
Hell, you might even have a cat or a dog.
"these subversive types must be stopped!" [insert fundy grin]
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Question
|Date: 09 Mar 96 10:25:02
EID:ca89 20695320
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 2289b39f
REPLY: 1:228/87.0 313ed635
>RS> but I haven't the faintest idea why you keep pressing on
>RS> with this. What difference does it really make what
>RS> color someone is?
> It makes no difference what color a person is,
Then stop trying to make it an issue here.
> color makes the world a beautiful place.
>RS> That is indeed the beauty of the online world.
> If there are people of color posting. A colorblind medium where
> there are no people of color participating is an oxymoron.
No, that would be a paradox. An oxymoron is two words which combine
to create a paradox. "Pretty ugly", "Plastic silverware",
"Christian Science", etc.
And there are "people of color" posting here, George.
For obvious reasons, they aren't subjecting themselves to your
search to expose racism.
>RS> where ideas and information can be exchanged _without_
>RS> human nature getting in the way of things.
> I only wish that were so.
Actions speak louder than words, George. If you want it to be so,
don't act counter to the wish that you just expressed.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Becke Jones
|Sub: FEED PROBLEMS, OF COU
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:22:00
EID:3c4b 20688ac0
-=> Quoting Becke Jones to Preston Simpson <=-
BJ> Undoubtedly, not as much as _I've_ missed being away for nearly a
BJ> year!! It's good to be back...=)
You've been gone but definitely not forgotten.
... Sign on fence; SALESMEN WELCOME, DOGFOOD IS EXPENSIVE.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: DEMONS...DEMONS
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:25:00
EID:a9fe 20688b20
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Judith Bandsma <=-
DW> As a final note, if you have any problems, do not bother calling
DW> Microsoft Tech Support. It will be a complete waste of your money.
I no longer have the problem with that particular game. I deleted it
accidentally while I was trying to get it to run.
Leo took pity on me and bought me the 11th Hour to make up for it. Nice
game. Also does dual duty. It has a WAD on the CD so that you can play
DOOM in the Stauf mansion. Now, where did I put my dramamine?
... nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:32:00
EID:b2d4 20688c00
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Judith Bandsma <=-
DW> How many damned moderators do they have over there now, anyway?
A better question would be 'how many posters do they have?'. I think about
every 3rd person has some moderation capacity after their name.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: DEMONS...DEMONS
|Date: 09 Mar 96 07:47:00
EID:df3d 20693de0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> If frustration is good for the brain, you're probably Einstein Reborn
AS> by now.
Getting close, Al, getting close. Do you think maybe Win95 is Bill
Gates' attempt to raise the intelligence level of the general
computer using public?
... A living example of Artificial Intelligence.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: US BANS ABORTIONSPEAK ON
|Date: 09 Mar 96 08:00:00
EID:a88f 20694000
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Dan Ceppa <=-
AS> having read the book...that it wasn't there just to have a good acid
AS> trip with.)
That's what Fantasia is for. Talk about pretty colors!!! whooo boy.
I missed Woodstock only because I was due to deliver any minute. I was
willing to risk it but the other people going weren't. As the baby was
stillborn, it's probably a good thing I didn't go.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: I'M WORKING ON IT
|Date: 09 Mar 96 08:05:00
EID:3bd3 206940a0
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Judith Bandsma <=-
DC> Got a Netmail from Mike about you transmission problems and
DC> Netmailed him back. Figured I let you know that that got
DC> here, but nothing else.
He said he had fixed the message and sent it. Oh well.
Yeah, for some reason, my netmail will have 1:1/0 appended to BOTH the
to: and from: lines when I upload it. Neither of us can understand what
is
going on or why it is happening.
Your netmail got to me ok...but I guess you didn't get the reply. Until
I
can find another board that will allow me outgoing netmail access, I can
read but I can't write. That's ok if the other person also has an i-net
address but the pits otherwise.
... Can I upgrade my Hard Drive to a WARP drive?
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: FOF "HATE" 2
|Date: 09 Mar 96 08:34:00
EID:dea2 20694440
-=> Quoting Norbert Sykes to Judith Bandsma <=-
NS> I can understand this. I love Halloween down in that section of
NS> the city. You haven't lived until you've almost been knocked down
NS> by a dozen rollerskating men in nun's outfits. Gives religion a
NS> whole new perspective.
Or hitchhiked across the city with a long-haired, freaky looking person
who was playing the bagpipes at the time. And that wasn't anywhere
near Halloween time.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Atheists are taking it back!
|Date: 17 Mar 96 09:04:10
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 26890a9f
PID: FM 2.02
Clocking in on the "Ha ha! Screw you!" bus we have a group of atheists
who have "taken back" a park on Mount Solidad here in San Diego. Taken
back from who? Those evil Christians who's only desire is nothing less
than theocracy in America.
Well kind of.
For the past 73 years the Christanic death cult has taken over the park
for their yearly fertility festival of Isis rituals (which Christanics
still mistakenly call 'Easter.' ) Way back when the State of
California accidentally installed a 43 foot Christanic cross (my guess
is they forgot to read the Constitution of the United States and didn't
know it was illegal to do so.)
It turns out that a guy decided to see if the city would deny all
others access to the park on the day of this particular ritual and so
filed the papers to "own" the public park for the day in question.
Imagine the "problem" faced by the clerk... for the past 73 years one
group of cultists have taken over the park and no one else has ever
filed for that day before. Should she ignore the fact that the guy was
the first to file the request and just wait for the official request
form from the Christanic cult and risk a lawsuit when the dates of
delivery prove she violated the rules or should she just grant the
permit according to the rules and risk the "Ha ha!" factor from the evil
atheists and the "how could you?!" factor from the evil cultists?
The guy was granted the permit and found himself with nothing to do
with it. He contacted a local atheists group and gave the permit to
them. They in turn contacted Christanic churches in their area,
invited Islamic and Jewish groups, and generally opened the park up to
anyone who wanted to come to the services which the atheists grroup was
going to offer that day.
Several Christanic death cult churches immediately called the group of
atheists "devils." The cultists got even more upset and
resentful when they learned that two of the Christian churches which
were explicitly invited to the services AND WHICH ACCEPTED were a
Christian church specifically for homosexual men and woman and a brand
of Christian church which allow women in their priesthood (er, that
would be priestesshood) among other things in keeping with a more
progressive, pro-female stand.
It should be interesting to see how the rules get changed to keep this
from happening again. Of course then the city will be in violation of
Constitutional seperation of cult from State if they try to impliment
anything.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: waco "remembered." How many die this time?
|Date: 17 Mar 96 17:46:41
EID:b778 20718dd4
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 268d97b4
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 313f8558
PID: FM 2.02
TP> Comes the off-planet announcement from Worrell's World.
dw> Are you really this clueless, Terry?
He's really that clueless.
TP> Do you actually HAVE an opinion on the AbortionSpeak ban?
dw> Yes, I do. I have not chosen to share that opinion with you. The opinion
dw> that I have chosen to share with you is that you are a frightened,
dw> paranoid little git whose life is so empty that you have to dream up
dw> vast conspiracies in order to make yourself feel important.
You've hit it right on the head. These people feel powerless to have any
say-so over their own lives so they invent huge conspiracies to give themselves
a reason why they're nobody.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:01:49
EID:9c62 206f8020
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3149950c
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c00
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Jim Germiquet <=-
DW>> 08 Mar 96 05:18, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
JG>>> God is limited
DW>>> more valid than that of all those who have gone before you?
JG>> Do you always snatch three words out of a three HUNDRED word
JG>> message
DW>> When those three words are in direct contravention of what damn
DW>> near every other Christian in the world claims, yes.
JG> And thank you for your four words that say of me
JG> "your opinion more valid". You forgot to quote that in your response
As someone else (Don Martin?) pointed out to you, I did not alter the meaning
of your quote in the least. You said God was limited (with no qualifiers
whatsoever) and that is what I quoted. You trying to pass "your opinion
more valid" as an entire quote from me is sheer stupidity on your part.
I know how to construct a sentence. Those four words are not a sentence.
Thus, it is obvious you deleted something. See the difference?
JG> In fact you go on to say my opinion is more valid than " that of
JG> all those who have gone before you"
Lying is a sin, Jim, or had you forgotten that? I'll accept your apology
now.
JG> You think you can twist my words to make them something you can
JG> ridicule without me returning the favor.
How did I twist your words, Jim? Do you deny saying that God is limited?
Here, Jim - I will requote the entire paragraph that I extracted "God is
limited" from:
>Sorry it doesn't work that way. God is limited in his ability to
>help his messengers by those who hear the message and respond. When
>a person buys a book, goes to a comedy club, a show, watches tv goes
>to school They PAY for that "entertainment" and "education". If they
>buy a bible or go to church or religious crusade or watch a
>religious show, these things also cost money. But instead of being
>supported by advertising for entertainment which comes out of your
>pocket everytime you buy a product, or by taxes for education which
>comes out of your pocket every payday , religious entertainment and
>education are paid for directly by the people who partake in them.
>So the next time you watch a religious tv show, consider paying for
>the entertainment. Send a donation.
Now, please show me the context that I deleted that makes the statement
"God is limited" mean something other than what it looks to mean. Notice
that you said nothing about chosing to be limited, you lying sack of dogshit.
JG> Why not first try and understand the context of the words
In the original message, there was no "context". You simply stated that
God was limited, and said nothing about him "choosing" such limitations.
Regardless, "chosing" to be limited is mere semantics. He either is limited,
or he is not. Which is it?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Avoiding the Question
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:04:58
EID:3096 206f8080
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3149954a
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6bfc
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Jim Germiquet <=-
DW>> 07 Mar 96 15:38, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
JG>> is doubt. A person who knows who they are and what they believe ,
JG>> doesnt have to prove it to anyone.
DW>> I know I'm Jehovah. Since you've just said I don't have to prove
DW>> it to anyone, bow down and worship me.
JG> And I don't have to believe you.
Amazing - you're exactly right. Now tell me why we should believe you.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Avoiding the Question
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:05:31
EID:3096 206f80a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 314995e2
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c01
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Jim Germiquet <=-
JG>> Look at a computer in everything it does, it only really has 2
JG>> choices at a time , on or off. binary.
DW>> Are we computers, Jim? Would you say a computer has free will?
DW>> No? Then why do you say we have free will when we're only capable
DW>> of 2 choices?
DW>> Does the word "extortion" mean anything to you, dipshit?
JG> It is still a choice, and each one makes you what you are.
A choice is not the equivalent of free will, is it? If I hold a gun to your
head and tell you that I will kill you unless you give me all your money,
am I allowing you to exercise your free will? No? God does exactly the same
thing - worship me, or suffer for eternity.
JG> You can choose to call another human being a "dipshit" or you
JG> can choose to be polite.
You can choose not to be a dipshit, too, Jim.
JG> You obviously made your choice up there,
As have you.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Claims of deity construct
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:08:08
EID:6ea0 206f8100
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 314996e0
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c02
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
JG>> And now you tell me where YOUR deity constructs come from. tell
JG>> me WHAT went "bang" tell me WHAT made it go "bang".
DW>> Quantum fluctuations. You do know how to read, right?
JG> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Like you have any idea of what a "quantum
JG> fluctuation is"
Yep.
JG> How many have you personally encountered ?
None. How many gods have you "personally encountered"? Did you remember
to take pictures?
JG> Seen any universes created by that method lately ?
Seen any universes created by gods lately?
JG> I thought not.
That is glaringly obvious.
JG>> Oh yeah you will say
JG>> it all came out of "nothingness". Then I will say my god came
JG>> out of "nothingness".
DW>> Occam's Razor removes the need for your God, junior, unless you
DW>> can come up with some evidence.
JG> Junior ? You have no idea how old I am ! Do you think I would give
JG> you any credibility in telling me how old the universe is ? You
JG> ASSume you know a lot of things don't you?
I notice you ignored the bit about Occam's Razor. It just cut off your head,
btw (though in your case, that is not a fatal wound).
As for how old you are, please point out where I claimed any idea of your
physical age. The "junior" refers to your mental age - you still beleive
in fairy tales.
And I assumed nothing - you give all the evidence that anyone could need
to reach the perfectly valid conclusion that you have the mental age of
a 6 year old.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Claims of deity construct
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:12:16
EID:6ea0 206f8180
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31499716
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c03
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
JG>> Why would I ever want to talk about "carbon dating" I don't argue
JG>> about silly things like the "age of the universe" or "evolution".
JG>> These are all just things created by god that scientists run
JG>> around discovering. "Oh look over hear, another dinosaur bone"
JG>> "Hey look I found another planet, heck it looks like it might be
JG>> 6 billion years old, quick hand me a slide rule so I can figure
JG>> this out. We may have to change our estimate of the age of the
JG>> universe". Enjoy.
DW>> That's it, li'l fundy, revel in your ignorance. Wallow in your
DW>> self-imposed stupidity.
JG> Again your own words , show you for what you are.
Again, yours do too. You see to be perfectly happy in your ignorance of
the world around you. It's sad, really.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: cult evaluation form
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:13:17
EID:5b60 206f81a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31499759
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c04
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Do you have a lot of homosexuals in your religion?
JG> Suffice it to say, I would say the possibility exists that there are
JG> homosexuals in my religion, all they have to do is follow the same
JG> two commandments of.
JG> 1) Love God
JG> 2) Love their neighbor.
JG> Whether or not they do that is between them and god.
In all fairness, I have just gained a little respect for you. maybe you
can set an example for the more rabid of your brethren.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: EVIDENCE
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:17:43
EID:af5f 206f8220
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31499903
12 Mar 96 00:08, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
AM>> I haven't seen anyone bother to cite evidence of how the
AM>> universe self assembled out of atoms, and then atoms ultimately
AM>> self assembled into man.
DW>> That's because no one has made that claim, numbnuts. You have
DW>> made a
AM> Oh, really David. Thats because your not man enough to stand up and
AM> tell us your explanation for how we got here.
I have no explanation, Andrew. Unlike you, I am man enough to flatly state
that I do not know "how we got here".
AM> Until then you just expose yourself as a coward who's only
Namecalling, Andrew? Is Jesus proud of you right now?
DW>> claim, however, and have provided nothing to support it other
DW>> than supposition. Where is your *evidence*?
AM> I did provide evidence
Lying is a sin, Andrew. Once again, you provided supposition. We have seen
no other universes, thus we cannot use the hypothetical condition of these
hypothetical universes as evidence for anything. In other words, you provided
no evidence.
AM> you going to join the big boys step up to the plate and provide
AM> some evidence for whatever you believe, that your too scared to
AM> share on this echo??
What evidence do I need to provide to support the claim that I do not know
"how we got here"?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: FLOOD
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:21:21
EID:fce9 206f82a0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 31499955
12 Mar 96 00:21, Andrew Masten wrote to David Worrell:
AM>>> If, on threat of execution by torture, they did not recant, I
AM>>> would be compelled to believe they were not fabricating a
AM>>> story.
DW>> Do you believe Joan of Arc's claim that she talked to God?
AM> Anyone can talk to God David, even you.
Do you believe everything that Joan said about her talks with God? After
all, she did not recant on threat of execution by torture (she was burned
at the stake, if memory serves). Do you even know who Joan of Arc was?
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|From: David Worrell
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN
|Date: 15 Mar 96 15:52:36
EID:f81c 206f7e80
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3149929f
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 63afd359
13 Mar 96 17:38, J.J. Hitt wrote to David Worrell:
JH> But you're right... they had no one to moderate except each other.
JH> I'd love to see them slam the door shut on the gated Internet
JH> material, but they seem to think it's some sort of benefit.
JH> It's like walking into someone's living room for quiet conversation
JH> but first turning on the TeeVee, stereo, garbage disposal, blender
JH> and dishwasher while playing bagpipes and lighting off six foot
JH> strings of chinese firecrackers.
True. The internet garbage is why I finally dropped the echo. I
had all those messages twitted, but got tired of the wasted download time.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: TWO DAYS TO DOOM - TAKE C
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:22:38
EID:99ec 206f82c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 314999a1
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 63baa475
14 Mar 96 13:31, Martin Goldberg wrote to David Worrell:
PS>> I got your pic via e-mail recently. (Would have responded sooner,
PS>> but the computer center got the bright idea of going down during
PS>> spring break to clean up things and give everybody a
MG> So, when are you going to make this available for public consumption?
MG> Just encode it and post it here.
I file attached it to Quarrella, with a message explaining what it was.
Check his Holysmoke file area. If it isn't there, I'll either netmail it
to you or send it to one of your internet addresses.
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Your Daily Murder
|Date: 15 Mar 96 16:14:26
EID:589a 206f81c0
MSGID: 1:3615/41.11 3149982b
REPLY: 1:2424/1004 250a6c05
13 Mar 96 10:20, Jim Germiquet wrote to David Worrell:
DW>> Does morality change, Jim? I trust you would say that it is not a
DW>> good thing to slaughter women and children out of hand today. Was
DW>> it a good thing in the time of the verse quoted above? Your God
DW>> did order it to be done, after all, didn't he? Is God capable of
DW>> an act that is not good?
JG> It definately is not a good thing to slaughter anyone in my opinion.
JG> It was not a good thing back then either in my opinion.
JG> However having said that, it is a known fact that we often are in
JG> situations when we have to do things that are not good.
JG> An example is the war to stop the Hitler Horrors. Is it good to stand
JG> by and watch a people be thrown alive into furnaces?
Was God incapable of protecting the Israelites from the Midianites (or whoever
the hell the Israelites were slaughtering at the inception of this thread)?
For that matter, could God have not stopped Hitler, thus preventing the
Allies from having to kill millions of innocent civilians?
JG> I am sure it sickened God to see his children behave that way on
JG> both sides. But I am just as sure that when you have a child and
JG> he is being beaten up by the school bully, that you would want
JG> him to be able to stand up and defend himself against such an
JG> aggressor.
I am not omnipotent. If I was, I could (and would) protect my child.
JG> To be sure, it would be best if we lived in a perfect world.
JG> Some men choose for it not to be so.
Your God *made* it an imperfect world, Jim.
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|From: Masochistic Maiden
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Giggle
|Date: 15 Mar 96 13:48:45
EID:c8ca 206f6e00
MSGID: 1:352/266 314A15CD
AS> ... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
Hey, that sums up today! Thanks.
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|From: Masochistic Maiden
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Western thought
|Date: 15 Mar 96 13:53:16
EID:71f2 206f6ea0
MSGID: 1:352/266 314A15CE
AS> the scientific method arose out of Western culture, which combined
AS> the Platonian passion for logic and philosophy with the exclusivist
AS> views inherited from Judiac tradition...that there is one truth to
There are some things that are only one way... such as laws of thermodynamics
and such... there are other things that are quiet flexible... what kind
of dog to own.... where to live....how to put your dishes in the cabinet
etc. For me religion falls into the hey keep the diversity area.... scientific
knowledge is almost always theory until proven pretty well.... but then
there's the Hizenburg uncertainty principle heheheh
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: EVIDENCE
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:4f5b 20707800
On 13 Mar 96 10:20am, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to CHAD OSTEN:
CO>> I don't know if it was you or not, but somebody mentioned about how
CO>> people need to submit to christ...that isn't exactly free choice..how
CO>> would a christian reconcile their need with being a human and being
CO>> a christian in this scenario?
JG> Of course it is a free choice, if you submit yourself willingly.
JG> A good example would be that of a wife who trusts her husband enough
JG> to give him the final say in family affairs. She believes that whatever
JG> decision he makes will be in the best interests of all concerned.
Any act of submission is not truly a free choice. Though in your case, I
would beg to differ. Submission does not equal trust. They are two entirely
different things. Most of the time, submission=fear. Would you like your
wife
to fear you?
JG> Many women no longer feel that way. They feel it is belittling to trust
JG> their husbands enough to willingly submit to his decision.
It's called independence, m'dear. What you seem to forget is that every
person is an individual, free to make their own decisions about the things
that affect THEM personally. I've touched upon this subject with you already
(and have STILL not recieved a reply--I wonder why!). A healthy relationship
entails working together on your problems, and mutually coming to a
decision...If this is not possible, you compromise. What you are espousing
is
the beginnings of abuse.
Becke
... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so...
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:df3d 20707800
On 13 Mar 96 10:20am, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to DAN CEPPA:
-=>> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Germiquet <=-
DC>> He does??? Why not prove the evidence that your god even exists
DC>> before you tell us what you claim your god can do?
JG> I have already dealt with the illogic of demanding physical proof
JG> of a spiritual entity.
What's so illogical about that? You have to provide evidence that something
exists before you can debate on the qualities of said thing. You have yet
to
establish that your God exists. Either do so, or stuff it and admit your
beliefs are nothing more than a bunch of hot air.
Becke
... Indians worship the cow. You worship an ass - yourself!
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: AVOIDING THE QUESTION
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:73c9 20707800
On 13 Mar 96 10:20am, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to DAVID WORRELL:
-=>> Quoting David Worrell to Jim Germiquet <=-
JG>> is not going to stop you from ending up there.
JG>> It is like being on a train to new york screaming I refuse to go
JG>> to new york.
DW>> No, it is like refusing to get on the train if I don't want to go to
DW>> New York. Who is going to put me there?
JG>
JG> You were BORN on the train my friend. You have to make a concious effort
JG> to get off of it.
JG>> In the meantime what god is doing is sending you messages to get
JG>> off the train.
And according to your beliefs, who put us on the train in the first place?
God. This supports our allegations that there truly is NO free choice when
it
comes to Christianity. God put us on the train to Hell, and the only way
of
getting off is to submit to him and bow down and kiss his ass. Sounds like
God has his own S&M fantasy going on here... To break it down for you--
God puts us on a train to hell, thus damning us from the beginning. The
only
way off this train is to give up everything that makes us truly free- our
intelligence, our pride, our sense of right and wrong, our ability to make
our own judgements by thourough examination or both sides, in general, our
ability to question. To God, we are nothing more than slaves in this
scenario.
You see in terms of black and white--that there is no choice of being on
the
train. Those who don't espouse your mythos see it another way. They still
retain the choice of whether or not they are getting on the train. They
see
clearly what the train is, and know what it involves, and using their better
judgement, don't get themselves on the train in the first place. That,
m'dear, is what free will is...not the choice you pointed out above.
You have to remember one thing. Religion is learned. We don't come out of
the
womb spewing out bible verses and subscribing to an illogical mythology.
Someone, somewhere down the lines, indoctrinates you in THEIR beliefs at
a
point in time where you are very impressionible and don't really have the
ability to reason against what they are saying. One of the others here (I'm
pretty sure it was either Fred or Sean or David R.) mentioned that this
is a
form of child abuse. I tend to agree.
JG> From my perception it isn't telling people to do that to determine
JG> if they are followers. It is saying, if they inadvertantly drink
JG> poison they will not die. It doesn't mean run out a drink poison to
JG> prove you are a christian.
So if I slip some Draino into your coffee, and you drink it without realizing
it's in there, you won't die?
Becke
... "Truth through superior ignorance": The religious way!
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: YOUR DAILY MURDER
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:bcfd 20707800
On 13 Mar 96 10:20am, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to PRESTON SIMPSON:
JG> War is a man made thing, not from god. It is man who has chosen to be
JG> an aggressor and as such those being attacked must defend themselves.
Then how do you explain the bible verse, "I am a God of war."??
Becke
... If we believe absurdities, then we shall commit atrocities...
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: APOSTATE
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:1672 20707800
On 13 Mar 96 10:20am, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to BRIAN KOLACY:
-=>> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Jim Germiquet <=-
JG>
JG>>That is why I do not trot out reams of "references" and bible
JG>>commentaries. God is personal to me. I know more have to prove He is
JG>>alive than that I am alive. I believe I am therefore I am. I believe
JG>>God exists therefore He exists. Period. I just don't pretend that my
JG>>mortal being can comprehend in entirety an immortal spirit.
BK>> So, do you have any evidence that your god exists outside imagination?
JG> No more than I have evidence that you exist outside imagination.
Hmm...we can see Brian, can touch him, can speak to him, can hear him
answer...We can easily produce Brian. The same can't be said of your God.
Put up or shut up.
Becke
... Indians worship the cow. You worship an ass - yourself!
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: CHILDREN
|Date: 16 Mar 96 15:00:00
EID:f846 20707800
On 12 Mar 96 02:09pm, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to BECKE JONES:
JG>> He is with you even now as you are reading this message. God is a
JG>> "spirit" you cannot see him or touch him physically, but if you want
to
JG>> soften your heart, you will feel him. And if you choose to listen,
you
JG>> will hear him. He IS speaking to you right now. But you don't have
to
JG>> listen. Your choice.
BJ>> In the real world, that's referred to as schizophrenia...
JG> How sad :(
JG> The voice of reason, kindness, love , referred to as schizophrenia.
I don't need voices to tell me to be reasonable, kind, or loving. If you're
claiming to hear voices, divine or not, you're taking the chance of being
locked up in the funny farm. Plain and simple.
Becke
... I can't be overdrawn, I still have checks left!
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:38
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From a message to Dan Ceppa:
AM> Prior to the influen of Christianity, there were no big groups
AM> devoted to charitable work. In Christ's time, there were no food
AM> banks, no shelters for the homeless no clothing drives.
Yes, the poor and disadvantaged of the middle ages really
fared well under Christianity. <-sarcasm
The citizens and leaders of many countries were overwhelmingly
Christian for centuries. And yet, compassion for the poor was
conspicuously absent. Why was that? Could it be that humanitarianism
is a concept not necessarily associated with religion?
AM> Many, half
AM> hour sitcoms, are laced with sexual innuendo.
The horror!
AM> Pornograhy is a billion dol
AM> cottage industry. You can't go to a convience store without
AM> being assault with all manner of depravity.
True, the National Enquirer and Weekly World News ARE depraved.
AM> Consequently sexually communicable diseases are also on the rise.
That could be due to a reluctance to use condoms moreso than
drooling over Miss October.
AM> Then there's aids. Which I don't think is God's personel judgement,
AM> just natural consequences of living a life contrary to God's plan.
Then, it's God's pre-judgement?
AM> It is you and others of your ilk who are shoving your
AM> godless agenda down the throat of this country.
Yes, atheists are all over the telly spreading their
religion. They're a real nuisance at airports with
those damn posies and they're a major pain in the ass
when they come knocking at my door on weekends.
But what's really irritating is the way they want our
children to only hear THEIR views. When they demanded
that evolution be taught in the churches alongside creationism,
THAT was the last straw!
AM> on my soap box and pontificating, but you really push a hot button
when
AM> you declare the ill's of a society to be the result of Christianity.
It
AM> was the Judeo-Christian ethic that made this country rise to world
AM> dominance in short order.
You don't think millions of acres of untapped resources and
an aggressive capitalist system had something to do with that?
AM> A quote from Louis Bounoure, former president of Biological Society
of
AM> Strasbourg and director of research at the Natural Center of Research
in
AM> France. "Evolution is a fairytale for grownups. This theory has helped
AM> nothing to the progress of science. It is useless."
AM> Quoted in Wysong "Creation-Evolution Controversy" page 418.
What is Louis' alternative theory? The fact that he's a
'former' president may be a clue to Louis' credibility.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Come Together
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:39
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JH> Here come ol' flat top
JH> He come groovin' up slowly
JH> He got Joo Joo eyeball
JH> He one holy roller
JH> He got hair down to his knees
JH> Got to be a joker he just do what he please
JH> Anyways, I suddenly found this song to be prophetic and to have deep
JH> meanings. I am pretty sure of who ole flat top is.
ROFL! I think we should use this opportunity to refer
to Jesus as 'ol flat top' (at least for a week or two).
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: GAY LOVE
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:39
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SA> RB> I don't disagree. But the thing is, the possession of the
SA> RB> Christian faith did not 'prevent' more powerful cultures
SA> RB> from acting abysmally toward less powerful ones. If the
SA> RB> actions of Christian armies are no better than Pagan ones,
SA> RB> then where is the moral superiority of Christianity?
SA>
SA> Frankly, the Celts were a lot better off under pagan Saxon
SA> invaders than certain other peoples were under Christian invaders
SA> - just ask the Beothuk Indians and the Tasmanian Aborigines. Oh,
SA> wait, you can't. They're extinct. Every last one of them, and
SA> not just in the cultural sense, either.
Good point. 'Christian army' SHOULD be an oxymoron. If
Christians follow the teachings of that Jesus fellow, what
are they doing in an army? But history has shown that
Christian armies can spill blood with the best of em. And
with the added incentive of 'God on their side', they can
do it with considerable gusto.
SA> If you work with your hands for your livelihood,
SA> Some day you might have to choose;
SA> When the class war rages on the factory floor,
SA> If you don't fight, you lose.
What are you, a commie?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:39
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JG> Of course it is a free choice, if you submit yourself willingly.
JG> A good example would be that of a wife who trusts her husband enough
JG> to give him the final say in family affairs. She believes that whatever
JG> decision he makes will be in the best interests of all concerned.
JG>
JG> Many women no longer feel that way. They feel it is belittling to trust
JG> their husbands enough to willingly submit to his decision.
Some husbands are ignorant assholes. Why should anyone
have to submit to an ignorant asshole? This is just
another of Christianity's sweeping generalizations (all
men are worthy of leadership).
The thing that defines character is not between your thighs,
it's between your ears.
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: [1/2] Re: lack of any Evi
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:39
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JG> This particular phenomena is being dealt with in terms of paradigms.
JG> Paradigms are thought patterns. For example if you have been trained
JG> to think in terms of triangles, you may not recognize the importance
JG> or relevance of circles when they pass through your thinking. You will
JG> just ignore them, let them slip through, unawares. As you say, one day
JG> someone stops for a second and says "Hey whats this round thing good
for".
JG> TADA ! New idea. So today we realize that to come up with some new ideas,
JG> we have to be willing to depart from some of the normal ideas and look
into
JG> some of what may have been considered crazy ideas a bit more closely.
triangles = religion
circles = evolution
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: [2/2] Re: lack of any Evi
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:40
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JG> I like to think of my own current relationship in the way you state
above.
JG> That god knew what I would need many years ago and had prepared my fiance
JG> at the time of her birth to grow up in such a way as to meet my need
the
JG> day I met her.
And what of those wives who turn out to be total bitches?
And what of the husbands who like to slap the 'little lady'
around? Did God prepare those mates also?
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|From: Rob Burcham
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: perservere [1/2] [1/2]
|Date: 16 Mar 96 18:10:40
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SA> Gee, how can you tell? :) The Progressive Conservatives
Progressive Conservatives? Do you also have Reactionary
Liberals?
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|From: Dave Oosterman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: seedy CD
|Date: 16 Mar 96 00:09:00
EID:f3f3 20700120
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REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3145769d
-=| On 12 Mar 96 13:02, David Worrell said: |=-
DW>>> How's it feel to have your buttons pushed, Rooster?
DO>> Don't flatter yourself, kiddo. As I care not a whit what you
DO>> think, you are not capable of button-pushing.
DW> You just replied out of the kindness of your heart, right?
DW> Here, pull the other leg, dipshit.
As you also respond to mine, who is pushing the buttons of whom? ;)
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|From: Dave Oosterman
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: JIM STAAL
|Date: 16 Mar 96 00:19:01
EID:1376 20700260
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-=| On 12 Mar 96 03:09, Al Schroeder said: |=-
AS>> Feel free to address me as "Al Scroder" or something.
DO>> :-)
AS> Of course, it is better than my nickname (and my brother's) when we
AS> were in high school, which was "scrotum"...
Thought about it... ;)
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|From: Ryan Shaw
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: TWO DAYS TO DOOM - TAKE C
|Date: 16 Mar 96 13:50:51
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Preston Simpson spewed forth the following David Worrell:
PS> To add insult to injury, my tuition's being jacked up with a
PS> "technology fee." Guess I'm paying for Internet access after all.
PS>
Hell, we've had that here for a number of years. It's $150 per term and
that's on top of the $150 fee for misc. expenses. The latter are probably
for services that I cannot even use such as SafeRide. It's a program to
take girls out of possibly dangerous situations with men. They are so anti-man
that if you are a woman with a 14 year old kid and both of you happen to
be in a dangerous situation [say, at the shopping mall after dark and you
don't feel like walking home] the kid can't ride with you -- according to
their policy at least. The misc. fee also funds all of the clubs that I
will never join, including all of the clubs that I cannot even possibly
join. They are pondering the placement of a pub in the student union and
would use these fees. That I could live with. The profits from the pub
would go to the misc. fee fund so the more you drink, the less you pay.
Yay! ;)
rshaw@gladstone.uoregon.edu
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|From: Alan Hess
|To: Selena Kerr
|Sub: The end?
|Date: 16 Mar 96 20:27:07
EID:802d 2070a360
Whilst masticating on , Selena Kerr (1:252/107)
wrote to All:
SK> Hey all! Is anyone familiar with the predictions of M.
SK> Nostradamus? I have recently read that the world is supposed to
SK> end by nuclear war at the end of the year 1999. This seems to
This would solve the problem of getting our computers to handle the date
change from 1999 to 2000. I feel much better now.
SK> the bible. There are a few things that Nostradamus predicted
SK> that have already come true, so I guess the end is inevitable?
Yes, it is. Millions of years down the road, the expanding sun will engulf
the earth. If man hasn't polluted himself to death by then, he'll have
a major problem air-conditioning the planet.
--- MsgedSQB/2 3.30.02
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: Becke Jones
|Sub: Re: BIBLE
|Date: 16 Mar 96 11:44:40
EID:42cb 20705d80
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hello Becke
It seems you speak for most of the people that don't believe in
God. You said most of you have already read the bible, I really
don't think So!
Now if you had read the bible Becke you would know that the
bible is true.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture given by [inspiration] of God, and
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
Job 32:8 But a spirit in man: and the [inspiration] of
the Almighty giveth them understanding.
You see Becke God needs to give you understanding before you will
get what is being said. You must pray to him and humble yourself
before Jesus, to gain understanding. Other wise it is just words on
a page.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall [not
live] by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the
mouth of God.
Now Becke if you would like to know God, get down on your Knees and
repent of your sins! For further information, if you want some help
please reply.
Brad
... Be a part of the Jesus Generation! Acts 2:38
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: All
|Sub: satan runs
|Date: 16 Mar 96 11:44:41
EID:049c 20705d80
PID: ProBoard 2.12 J
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hello
I would like to point out that the messages written to me have
dropped off, a lot!! This tells me that when satans deciples
are face with the truth, they run scared!!
You and your bose (satan) know the Bible to be the word of God.
When you can't scare people into leaving you give up, just like many
times in the bible.
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, [Satan]: for
it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only
shalt thou serve.
Matthew 8:32 And he said unto them, Go . And when they were come
out, they went into the herd of [swine]: and, behold, the whole herd
of [swine] ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and
perished in the waters.
Now that you deciples of (satan) are not filling this area with
garbage, maybe the true christians may discuss topics of the Lord
Jesus Christ.
This is a religion debate echo after all! Of course we know that
there is only one true religion and that is Christianity!!
The Belief that Jesus Christ is God.
John 10:30 [I and Father] are one.
Brad
... The Upper Room BBS (905) 575-8985 Hamilton,Ontario Canada
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|From: Brad Jackson
|To: All
|Sub: Always with me
|Date: 16 Mar 96 11:44:42
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10376
Hello.
I like to post in this area (Religious Debates), to show the
young people not to fear (satan) and his deciples.
Psalms 23 A Psalm of David. The LORD my shepherd; I shall not
want. {2} He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me
beside the still waters. {3} He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in
the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. {4} Yea, though I
walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil:
for thou with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. {5}
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. {6} Surely
goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I
will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Have you ever stomped your foot near a flock of birds, and watch
them scatter? Well that is the same way it is with (satan) and his
buddies!
God loved us so much he came to live with us on earth to save us
from our sins.
Brad
... John 10:30 I and my father are one.
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|From: Lynda Bustilloz
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Michael Buttful Hardy lies again
|Date: 16 Mar 96 22:46:39
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Lynda and Fredric were killing time yakking about Michael Buttful Hardy
lies again:
MH> There is nothing admirable about Fred.
FR> I'm sure that all fundies who have had to question the
FR> validity of their deeply-held beliefs feel much the same way. Rather
FR> than admit that the failing is with his superstitions, he feels
FR> resentment toward those who have the audacity to prove him mistaken.
FR> The emotional and financial investment in his religion is proven a
FR> waste so of course he's resentful.
mh> He's a firm believer in guilt by association -- if Hitler
mh> hated Jews, and Hitler called himself a Christian (although
mh> there's ample evidence he didn't really believe), then all
mh> Christians hate Jews.
FR> Hardy is "mistaken" as usual. Adolf Hitler was undeniably a Christian
FR> -- for some mysterious reason Hardy elected not to quote Hitler's own
FR> words again nor admit that _most_ of Europe's Christian churches were
FR> signatory to statements of ideological agreement with Hitler's stated
FR> plans.
lb> Fred -- can you confirm or deny this, please?
FR> Yes, I can confirm or deny it. The question I would ask of you,
FR> however, is "what do you think?"
I think time made me post assuming you would know what *I* was doing. :)
I think:
1. That Michael is deeply mistaken when he says there is nothing admirable
about you -- and it is a mistake that has come from assuming that your
treatment of him applies to a group, rather than to him as an idividual.
2. I think that Michael was attempting to quickly bring MM into an
antagonistic nonrelationship with you before she had much opportunity to
decide for herself == as he attempted with me when I first started, and
as I have witnessed him do with others. I wasn't sure you were even
bothering to read his posts anymore, and wanted to give you opportunity
to
respond to the slander present in this one.
FR> You should know enough by now of my
FR> position through my statements these last six years or so to answer
FR> the question for yourself, shouldn't you? You should also know all
FR> you need to know about Hardy's record of dishonesty to the point where
FR> you should be able to check your answer.
Yes. I think I have spent enough time in encounters with both you and Mike
to be well aware of the absurdity of his statement.
lb> In your opinion, do all Christians hate Jews?
FR> I'm mildly insulted for your even asking.
I can understand that, and I apologize for giving you insult -- I read his
comment, and could come up with no short way to express the grim anger it
created to hear him try keep someone from getting to know you on their own
terms by use of such a blatently emotion-ridden, ridiculous assertion.
After trying to answer him directly two or three times, I was running out
of time, and what I came up with was crossposting it to you so you could
deal
with it. By that time, I was way too angry to speak much, and I probably
shouldn't have said anything at all. I can see how my terse words look
like
I was seriously questioning you. I'm sorry friend -- the impression I left
was exactly the opposite of what I intended.
I'll be clipping this reply to save to text so I can give it to you as soon
as I see you next. I don't want this misunderstanding to continue a moment
longer than necessary.
Lynda Bustilloz bustillo@ix.netcom.com
... "Those are two hyporhetorical questions." -- Bush
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