God Damned Fundies!
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 16 Dec 96 14:26:58
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The HolySmoke Central Committee is calling for the formation of a
HolySmoke Convention subcommittee which will coordinate all activities
and research needed to launch the first ever world-wide HolySmoke
Convention! If you would like to volunteer to help plan, please let
me know (Fredric Rice) either through Echo area HolySmoke, NetMail at
1:218/890.0 (818) 335-9601, or through e-mail (frice@stbbs.com or
frice@linkline.com.)
Additionally I would like to ask for someone to head-up the committee;
someone who plans to attend. The Chairman would be responsible for
filling-in gaps in the planning and pick up anything which might have
been forgotten as well as maintaining and distributing the plan
materials.
Immediate tasks:
1) Las Vegas appears to have the lowest round-trip air fares.
Additionally it looks like a great many HolySmokers could
easilly make the drive from many States (California, Arizona,
Texas, Colorado, and Utah are all within a day's safe driving
distance.)
The committee would need to see if Las Vegas would be
acceptable and the committee would also be responsible for
collecting names and locations for people who wish to attend
so that others could car pool for the trip. (For instance, I
would be willing to pick people up along the way even if it
is several hundred miles out of the way.)
2) Poll for a month within which the most number of people who
would wish to attend could attend then determine how many people
are likely to attend.
3) Collect hotel information from the area, offering a spectrum of
accomidations from the extremely cheap (such as perhaps the
nightly cost of a stay at a Campground of America) to the
moderately-priced. This information should be included in a
HS-CONV.ZIP information package.
Getting three or six of us into a single largish hotel room would
also help decrease the cost of staying. Getting into a hotel
which has a cheap all-you-can-eat buffet would also be a good
idea. People used to sleeping on the floor should indicate that
sleeping on the floor is acceptable -- provided anyone sleeps
at all.
In fact, the hotel management need not ever learn who's sleeping
in what rooms. They need not even be told we're attending a
convention -- as was mentioned, that could drive up the price
of everything.
4) After determining how many people are likely to attend, find out
where we can have a week-end meeting with enough space for
everyone. If there are only a dozen HolySmokers who will attend,
this could even be a pizza shop though I would perfer to rent a
cheap meeting room in a cheap hotel. The cost for such a room
would need to be factored into whether anyone's willing to pay for
it which is itself determined by the number of people likely to
attend. If there's a fee for the convention then we need to get
firm committments and the committee would need to collect checks
from everyone who will be attending.
5) Find out who is willing to shuttle people from McCarren
International Airport to and from their hotels and wherever
we're having the meeting, then make that list available to
whoever wants it. There would probably be many arival times
from individuals trickleing in yet probably only a couple
of departure times when everyone leaves at around the same
time. (The Airport is on the way out of the city if you're
driving toward California.)
6) For the convention itself, the committee would need to do the
following:
a) Consider a theme for this year's convention. The theme
could be used to tailor the discussions somewhat though
there probably shouldn't be any strict rules. Some ideas
could be:
"For the most part, atheists do no good things"
"We've made a pact with demons"
"Ciya in Hell!"
Be creative; pick a common HolySmoke theme.
b) Solicit individuals willing to give a speech or presentation.
This can be any number of people depending upon the schedule
and length of time granted the individual. It could include
rabid atheists who have something to say or rabid fundies who
have nothing to say but want time to say it anyway. A
spectrum of individuals could be solicited to offer a wide
difference in opinions... a militant homosexual and a woman-
hating Promise Keeper would be welcome. (We'll want to be
sure to exclude any "pro-lifers" and, in fact, the committee
might want to consider whether metal detectors and security
would be needed. There are a lot of nuts out there.) We
could get a metafundy as well to throw random physics terms
at us. He could bring his concrete pillow.
Booking individuals and publishing what they intend to
speak on might be a good idea as more people might be willing
to come if they get to hear something they're interested in.
More so: a half-hour of rebuttle/argument/grilling could be
scheduled after each speech or presentation and a fund time
could be had by all.
c) Consider holding an awards presentation for various
categories. The awards themselves can be pictures printed on
a Laser Printer which is symbolic of the attributes which
comprise the reasons for the award. If an awards presentation
is agreed upon, such categories could include:
1) The award for the most rabid fundy
2) The award for the most rational fundy
3) The award for the most rabid atheist
4) The award for the most rational atheist
5) The award for the fundy which has done
the most damage to his or her religion
by talking
6) The ever popular Wind-Up Robot Award
Use your imagination. Winners of the awards should not need
to be present yet the award winners should be notified before
the convention. Award winners who have indicated that they
wish to attend should be notified in advance so that they can
ready a short acceptance speech OR ready a speech declining
the award. Award winners who can't make it could
have someone who is attending read their acceptance or
declining speech from a prepaired write-up.
If a picture award isn't enough, the committee should think
about something more substancial -- like maybe a god or a
concrete pillow.
d) Think about what we should do for lunch on Saturday and
Sunday and maybe think about whether we should all try to
get together for dinner on Saturday or whether we should all
just be left on our own, forming small groups as needed
depending upon what everyone's interested in for dinner.
Some people might wish to bring camping equipment and an
ice chest with food and drinks, cooking lunch on the
tailgate of their pick-up or the hood of their car. If
any of this goes on, they could do it in the parking lot
together!
e) Think about coordinating some activities for the Monday
following the convention in the event a group of people
want to hang around in the city kicking around for a day.
The committee could check into times and prices for
shows and what not (only if people are interested that
is.) Maybe Elvis will be in town.
f) Can we get convention T-Shirts made up? The committee
might consider that question and look for someone who is
willing to do a lay-out and a shop willing to print them.
The committee would need to collect T-shit fees before
having anything ordered from a shop.
g) Can we get coffee and Diet Coke during the meetings? Or
should we maybe bring a bunch of coffee pots and make
our own coffee? Coffee might be part of the price for a
convention room.
h) Do we want to allow people to sell things? Maybe just
allow people to post a message on a white board offering
a note about what they're selling, where their hotel room
is and stuff like that? I'm thinking of FidoNet software
message editors, PC cards, floppies, or perhaps anything
someone might want to have made-up for the occasion... like
Star Goat idols, perhaps, or Ciya Pepper Shakers.
i) Do we audio tape the speeches? If so, would we make them
available to anyone HolySmoker who wants a copy? Does
anyone want to video tape the thing? If people write-up
their speeches, should we collect them and put them into a
file for download after the convention? Should we provide
them before the convention so that people can form rebuttles
and arguments before the event?
j) Do we have a door prize?
k) Do we provide a computer and modem in a hotel room running
IRC so that people who can't come can type at people who
did come?
l) Do we schedule a couple of free-form argument periods? We
could pass around a sea shell and whoever holds it has the
floor. }:-}
m) The Chairman of the committee would need to check every
message in the HolySmoke echo and keep copies of every
message which discusses the convention. The subject line
of the messages is often not enough to determine whether
the message is discussing the convention though HolySmokers
could make a habit of offering a descriptive subject when
they discuss it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Burke
|Sub: Our Daily Ignorant rant
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:10:34
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RB> always been there. Science to me is just our slow unlocking of
RB> creation. The Supreme scientist.
DC> Where did he get his degree from? Best guess is from an unacredited
DC> 2 year school with a BS in Bullshit.
rb> You are brilliant! Your insults evidence your vast knowledge.
Why didn't you answer his question, Robert? Could it be because you lied?
And could it be that you lied because your death cult TEACHES you to lie?
Well?
~*~ Ok, name on person that has witnessed a Monkey turn into a man.
- Chris Vetter
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ray Talley
|Sub: "Flat Earth" Town
|Date: 16 Dec 96 14:40:59
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AM> Imagine a world where all voluntarily lived by the golden rule,
AM> treat others as they would be treated. No wars, no armies to
AM> support.
rt> How many wars were started (and continue
rt> to be started) by relgious zealots?
All of them. Or, to be fair, all wars are justified by gods. Even when
the United States was bombing Iraq, there were comments by people interviewed
by the media to the effect that the non-existant Muslim gods weren't going
to save them. It was true but the opinion was expressed to convey the belief
that the Christanic gods would win.
AM> No need for police or courts.
rt> Your priest will decide your guilt or innocence.
Based upon how much money the priest can get out of it.
AM> No rape,
rt> Since according to fundy rules, all women
rt> must submit to thier husband on command.
Christians rape children in far greater numbers than non-Christians -- in
Christianic societies. Being a Christanic death cultist doesn't detract
from being a rapist one iota. It only grants them an excuse.
~*~ What are the dictates of my god ? - Paul Churchill
What ever your masters say they are. - Fredric L. Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Amazing Randi Goodie #1
|Date: 16 Dec 96 14:49:07
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FR> fucks take a picture of something, install it in an empty
FR> box with an antenna on it, and pretend that it'l find
FR> whatever's on the picture. They started using black apoxy
FR> on the picture to keep from anyone finding out the "secret"
FR> to the device.
rs> LOL . . . Now we know . . . kind of a
rs> space-aged dowsing of some sort, eh?
Space Age prices, any way. The Quatro frauds used to "explain" how the
device worked without describing what went into it. When it was discovered
that it was an empty box with a picture inside and an antenna outside, the
frauds started to use epoxy to cover the picture. Eventually they started
to "photograph" what the box was "designed" to find with photocopiers which
had the lamps disconnected -- yeah, that results in no reproduction on the
blank piece of paper but they didn't want (so they claimed) other companies
to steal the "science."
Also the fucks wrote down words on a piece of paper or cardboard, epoxied
it over so that it couldn't be seen, then stuck it inside the empty box.
The claims were just like Lee and Brawley's claims -- random physics terms
slopped out in no particular order specifically designed to sucker the ignorant
and the gullible.
That teachers and school supervisors bought several is disappointing to
say the least. That various government agencies (like the DEA) bought dozens
is even worse.
FR> They sold dozens of them to people who should know better --
FR> DEA people who thought it could detect illegal drugs and
FR> other government officials.
rs> Well, stupidity knows no bounds, apparently . . .
Yep. And Quatro also sold a magnet package that "halfed fuel consumption."
Many agencies tried it -- State construction crews and such on their tractors
and such -- and reported that it worked.
When all the claims were put to scientific tests, the charges of fraud started
to get written up.
ar> Some months back, I discussed the silly device known as the
ar> "Quadro" rod, a stick that claimed to be means of detecting
ar> golf balls, guns, and drugs at a distance by super-technology
ar> invented and offered for sale by the Quadro Corporation of
ar> Harleyville, S.C.
FR> That's the one! What kind of an idiot would buy
FR> this fraud?
rs> The average kind of idiot?
We seem to have a bumper crop every year.
~*~ I figure if they wanted to keep the bridge, they
wouldn't have left it out in the forest all night. - Unknown
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: fundy clown
|Date: 16 Dec 96 14:58:20
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js> Ha! I laugh you to scorn!
ML> Ha! We laugh at your idiocy.
js> A bit of an MPD problem, Herr Doktor?
dc> Wrong, Jimbo. I join Marty in his laughter at your idiocy.
FR> Me too. I'm laughing at you too, Jim.
rs> Me three. Jimson is always good for a decent
rs> laugh or two, and this case is no exception . . .
What's a real horror is that some people like Staal actually vote.
~*~ Sorry but your arguement that lightbulbs disprove
Christianity does not quite convince me. - Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:01:37
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MG> Do I hear Las Vegas Gideon Bibles burning?
What a wonderful idea! A contest to see who can get the most copies!
SQ> If we're lucky, we'll each find
sq> copies of the Book of Mormon in our rooms.
rs> If not, I bet we can order down for them . . .
We could all ask for copies of a whole bunch of cult mythologies, from the
Koran to the sayings of the Buddah to the Urantia. When the hotel clerk
says he hasn't got any of them, toss a fit about how the hotel's management
is anti-American and engageing in religious persecution.
Liking it more every minute.
~*~ God doesn't care what you think. -- James Davis
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be saved?
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:04:31
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sh> I'm saying that asking about "needing" to be saved is a
sh> meaningless question.
RS> Why?
FR> Because being "saved" from a logical absurdity is
FR> meaningless, I suppose. It may be an admission from him or
FR> sorts.
rs> I can accept that.
Except that now he's claiming he said no such thing. It didn't
take long for him to fall into lock-step with all the rest.
rs> Since he doesn't want to actually engage in conversation,
rs> but would rather have a metaphysical circle jerk, I don't
rs> need to pay any more attention to him, and have told him
rs> so. I can live with one less inane person.
That does seem to be the traditional "Onward Christian Soldier," huh? They
want their intellectual betters to stand quietly and listen to their rants
yet when pressed for evidence or when asked even the simplest of questions,
they're just not interested.
It's true of the fundies that come to the door as well as the fundies that
make the mistake of coming through here.
~*~ ... Rush Limbaugh gay? That's enough to make homosexuals homophobic.
- David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Jesse does no good thinking
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:08:45
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FR> money, jump-start people's cars for them, even fix women's
FR> cars if they won't start in the parking lot... And when my
FR> CPR certificate was good and I carried my radios in my car,
FR> I used to help out at accidents.
rs> How dare you! You drive Jesse's theory right up
rs> on the rocks of oblivion by such behavior!
Jesse got the truth shoved up his ass the same day he posted his blathering
lunatic insanity. Man, Richard, there was no shortage of atheists shoving
it up his ass -- and yet even now, after so many people enumerated the good
things they routinely do -- he still wants to play pretend.
He was taught such nonsense by his masters and he'll be damned if he'll
accept the truth. Doubtless he just thinks that everyone who rubbed his
nose in it are lying -- I mean, his masters can't be lying so everyone else
must be.
FR> don't see it as an insult. When I'm told "god bless you," I
FR> _do_ make it a habbit to say, "Who? I don't believe I
FR> caught the name."
rs> Dependent on how long you can keep that
rs> exchange going, it could be fun . . .
I've only had one fundy sputter and say, "I find that the more I learn the
more I believe in god." I pointed out that what he experiences is still
the argument from ignorance; the more one learns the more one learns how
much they don't know. The fucker turned blue and he really wouldn't work
with me after that.
~*~ There are many who are really troubled because low, debasing thoughts
come into the mind, and are not easily banished. - Phil Morrison
They become Christian clergy, in fact. - Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Burke
|Sub: Utterly evil death cult
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:11:47
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RB> I have never seen the 10 commandments plastered anywhere in a p
RB> building and as far as I know seperation of church and state fo
RB> it.
DC> As it should do to all superstitious bullshit.
rb> We should also teach our children
rb> the pain, horror, and pain of atheism.
Children are _born_ atheists, you ignorant, superstitious savage. It takes
an evil person to destroy a child's mind by making her believe there are
gods and deadly ideologies like "sin."
~*~ This echo is going to be used to greatly spread faith in Christ.
There are going to be some fanatic HolySmoke anti-Christers that are
going to be transformed into rabid Christers. - John Prewett
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Comrade Fredric
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:13:46
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JJ> For the subtlety impaired, my reference to your stay
jJ> in the former Soviet Union had nothing to do with your
JJ> passport entries, but instead recalled your vigorous
JJ> defense of the F.S.U. as the moral equivalent of the U.S.A.
RS> So you lied just for laughs? Is this typical Xtian behavior?
ijcj> Perhaps for the humor impaired I should also
ijcj> have included an appropriate emoticon.
You only prove yourself even more the Christian by digging your hole deeper,
Jesse. A ___REAL___ man would have simply admitted he made a mistake.
But then you're not a real man, are you?
~*~ You do realize that this echo has made me into this twisted, vile
fiend that now stands before you. - Drew Webber (HolySmoke) }:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Scientific Theories.
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:14:42
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LA> "Our theory of evolution has become, as Popper described,
LA> one which cannot be refuted by any possible observations.
ss> Idiot. One human skull found in the same
ss> geological strata would falsify evolution.
The fucker knows it.
ss> I am sick and tired of reading your ignorant ramblings
ss> about a subject that you know nothing about.
Which is why he continues. Ignore the fucker and he'll go away, I bet.
~*~ Hey, man, that's straight from satan's hell. - Phil Morrison
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: COINCIDENCE FIVE
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:18:41
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FR> Ed! Man, I thought they gave you ten to fifteen! What are you doing
FR> out? }:-} (Sorry; Duran Duran did it. Honest.)
em> Actually, they let me have a computer here in the hole. That's
em> not why I was incognito for awhile. Our hub lost major mail
em> feed for nigh onto a week, awhile back. If I didn't have a full
em> batch of pruno already made up, I might have jumped off the top
em> tier.
I don't blame you a bit. Life without pruno is meaningless. }:-}
em> Whatever became of this bright fellow? Haven't seen
em> any posts from him in many moons.
FR> I think he finally found some of those "militant homosexuals"
fr> he was constantly all aquiver over and doesn't have any more
fr> time for us guys and gals on HolySmoke.
em> Oh damn. I wanted to show him a new safe-sex trick I learned
em> here in the D-block. All you need is an empty toilet-paper core
em> and some fresh, warm liver.
Yes, Ed is back. }:-}
I am reminded of the Christian church bulletin board announcement which
read, "Safe Sex. All those wishing to attend come in the rear."
~*~ 'SIN' is a purely religious concept. To those of us who have no
religion, sin doesn't exist except as an abstract theoretical
concept. - Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Catholic schools
|Date: 16 Dec 96 15:31:46
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};> Dan Ceppa wrote in a message to Richard Smith <:(
DC> On (14 Dec 96) Richard Smith got back to Don Martin...
EM> For a minute, she almost made me forget about my prepubescent
EM> adoration of Barbara Feldon.
DM> Me, I was strongly attracted to Imogene Coca.
RS> I have the perpetual hots for Dianna Rigg, myself . . .
DC> Now your talking! (Though I wouldn't mind if Barbara Feldon
DC> ate crackers in my bed, either!)
So your nickname is Crackers?
Ditto on Agent 99 . . .
Quid, Me Anxius Sum?
Richard
Smith
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Alignment list
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:39:00
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On (14 Dec 96) Katherine Wintersnight wrote to All...
KW> -------------
KW> Name Location Alignment In the
KW> 'Smoke
KW> Lynda Bustilloz Southern Maryland chaotic unique 1 1/2 years
Marilyn Burge Portland, OR freethinker 4 years
(I guess
12-28-38
KW> Mike Hardy Mobile, Alabama former evangelical 2 years
KW> Christian turned
KW> Open-minded agnostic.
KW> Katherine
KW> Wintersnight El Paso, TX, USA Wiccan 1 1/2
KW> years
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Thanksgiving
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:44:16
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On (15 Dec 96) Steve Quarrella wrote to Martin Goldberg...
SQ> Salue, Martin!
SQ> Mercurii dies December 11 1996, Dixit Martin Goldberg ad Jesse Jones:
SQ> SQ>>> Just an atheist out here doing good things.
SQ> JJ>> Go ahead, Stevie. Tell us about the good things you do.
MG> Are you still claiming thta atheists do no good acts?
SQ> As if I'm responsible to him for what I do and don't do. That's a
SQ> large part of his problem: He, as a Fundamentalist Christian, has a
SQ> "God-given" right to order others around.
What IS IT about Christers that makes them think they have
a franchise on virtue?
I saw a "debate" between William Bennett and Mario Cuomo a
few nights ago, and William Bennett spent nearly his whole
time at the mike telling all of us that society needed gawd
in order to solve all the problems of welfare, teenage pregnancy,
unemployment, crime, and ingrown toenails.
Come Q&A time, I found a mike and reminded him that we had
been hearing that from the Republicans for years now, and
all they had been able to give us was a man whose SECOND
wife was knocked up when he married her, a presidential
candidate who had dumped his first wife to marry his current
one, and speaker of the house who had gone to his first wife's
hospital bed and dumped her immediately following major
surgery....
It was at that point they turned off my mike.
Hope I made my point.
... A clash between the Yugo of belief and the Kenworth of reality.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: purpose and ethics
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:50:44
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On (15 Dec 96) Steve Quarrella wrote to Jesse Jones...
SQ> You are a sad excuse for a human being, Jesse. It is my sincere hope
SQ> that some day, you get the reward you deserve: Hendrix, Moon, Bonham,
SQ> and Morrison, all with rooms on the same floor as you. You can "party
SQ> with the divine" to your heart's content. :)
You forgot Joplin. Don't forget to put Joplin on that floor, too.
... 66.59999999999999787: Beast divided by 10 on a Pentium.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: GOOD THINGS
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:55:28
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On (14 Dec 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Jesse Jones...
JH> On Dec 11 06:10 96, Jesse Jones of 1:135/71 wrote:
JJ> Go ahead, Stevie. Tell us about the good things you do.
JH> How do you determine wether an act is a "GOOD THING" or not?
JH> Please, do NOT reply with "you know what I mean"; because I don't
JH> have the foggiest notion as to what it means to you (other than the
JH> suspicion that it means something radically different from what it
JH> does to the rest of the world).
JH> This is not the first time I have asked you this.
JH> I would like an answer this time.
Beats hell outta me! My husband is spending 50 hours a week with
my dying sister because she can't be left alone. He has to do for
her everything that an RN would do, including wipe her ass for her.
The reason he is doing it is because they can't afford to hire
someone to come in while Chris works, and Chris can't possibly
quit working or they lose everything. He is nearly 76 years old,
and his back has deteriorated to the point where he is in constant
pain (so, it's obvious he shouldn't be lifting her again and again
all day, but he does it anway, without complaint).
But, he's not doing a "good thing," either. We KNOW that, because
he's a "heathen."
So, what IS a "good thing?" Beats the hell outta me!
... ... 6.66 x 10^2 Scientific notation of The Beast.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: "flat earth" town
|Date: 16 Dec 96 07:07:02
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On (15 Dec 96) Richard Smith wrote to Don Martin...
RS>
Probably. When I was 5-6, I had my lanced at least
twice (that many times I remember, what with no
anaesthetic and all), and though somewhat hearing
impaired, I've always been able to function quite
well without mechanical aid.
... A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance.
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|From: Robert Burke
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 16 Dec 96 01:37:00
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DC> RB> always been there. Science to me is just our slow unlocking of
DC> RB> creation. The Supreme scientist.
DC>
DC> Where did he get his degree from? Best guess is from an unacredited
DC> 2 year school with a BS in Bullshit.
You are brilliant! Your insults evidence your vast knowledge.
--- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #218
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|From: Robert Burke
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Sola Scriptura
|Date: 16 Dec 96 01:40:00
EID:01b7 21900d00
DC> RB> I have never seen the 10 commandments plastered anywhere in a p
DC> RB> building and as far as I know seperation of church and state fo
DC> RB> it.
DC>
DC> As it should do to all superstitious bullshit.
We should also teach our children the pain, horror, and pain of
atheism.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Legislating Morality
|Date: 16 Dec 96 18:05:34
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On (14 Dec 96) Martin Goldberg wrote to Marilyn Burge...
MB> Not so. Three gay couples are marrying in Hawaii any day now,
MB> thanks to the Hawaiian Supreme Court decision that stated it was
MB> unconstitutional for the State to forbid the marriages.
MG> The last that I had heard was that it was still up in the air. When
I
MG> saw this, I looked for news reports. I think that there are some guys
MG> int he US senate that are going to try and do something about it.
MG> After reading the amendment in question, it seems fairly
MG> straightforward, but in the hands of lawyers and politicians, nothing
MG> is black and white.
MG> Nor should it be.
No, you've got it all bollixed. Here's the scoop. The Hawaiian Supreme
Court said that under THEIR constitution, the State had no interest in
who married whom. At that point, three couples said they would marry
right away. At least two of them have gotten a license, last I heard.
The U.S. Senate, outraged at the thought that two people who love each
other might actually marry, passed a law that says that OTHER STATES
do not have to recognize gay marriages that take place in states that
do allow them.
The problem is, the law they passed in unconstitutional, for the reasons
already cited here.
... Fundamentalism is merely stupidity raised to a higher power.
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Comrade Fredric
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:20:38
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Quoting RICHARD SMITH to JESSE JONES on 12-12-96
RS> };> Jesse Jones wrote in a message to Fredric Rice <:(
RS> JJ> Did you learn this trick of accusing those who disagree with
RS> JJ> you of mental illness during your stay in the former Soviet
RS> JJ> Union?
RS> . . . snippies . . .
RS> JJ> For the subtlety impaired, my reference to your stay
RS> JJ> in the former Soviet Union had nothing to do with your
RS> JJ> passport entries, but instead recalled your vigorous
RS> JJ> defense of the F.S.U. as the moral equivalent of the U.S.A.
RS> So you lied just for laughs? Is this typical Xtian behavior?
Perhaps for the humor impaired I should also have included an
appropriate emoticon.
Jesse Jones -- Miami, FL -- 12/15/96
jcjones@herald.infi.net
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Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise.
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Heathens
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:20:39
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Quoting DAN CEPPA to JESSE JONES on 12-12-96
DC>-> On 12-11-96 06:10, Jesse Jones got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> DC> SS>Are you claiming that you don't have that right?
DC> DC> JJ> Yes.
DC> DC>How's it feel to be a slave?
DC>
DC> DC> SS>Who defines you if not yourself?
DC>Your answer to that question follows --->
DC> DC> JJ> God.
DC>
DC> DC>Outside of your imagination, you got evidence that any god
DC> DC>exists, let alone the one that you think enslaves you?
DC>Your rather inept retort is next --->
DC> JJ> Outside of your robotic "show me" mantra, do you have anything
DC> JJ> to contribute to this conversation?
DC>You surely don't. You claim that you are defined by God[sic].
DC>IOW, without evidence that claimed god exists, you are an
DC>undefined entity.
DC>Now, show evidence that your god exists, Jesse.
Dan, as you should know well by now, I reject the notion that
evidence is required for God to exist. Can you prove to me that
evidence is required for God to exist? For anyone or anything else to
exist?
Jesse Jones -- Miami, FL -- 12/15/96
jcjones@herald.infi.net
þ CMPQwk 1.42 1319
Stupid is as stupid does -- Forrest Gump
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Lying Curry Scum
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:20:39
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Quoting SALLY SPRINGETT to JESSE JONES on 12-12-96
SS> JJ> Anyway, I hope you will do something more than sputter about
SS> JJ> this, and show in what specifics the article I cited is
SS> JJ> inconsistent with my position that atheists, for the most
SS> JJ> part, do not do good things (although, to be fair [not that
SS> JJ> anyone here is concerned to be fair], this citation first
SS> JJ> came up to support the related position that people of faith
SS> JJ> do more good works than do secular folk).
SS>To be perfectly fair one would have to come to agreement on what
SS>actually constitutes "good works." I do not consider missionary
SS>activity, for instance, to be a "good work."
I understand that. The report I cited excluded "missionary
work" as you define it.
FWIW, the mainline churches have for many decades now restricted
their overseas activities to meeting human needs, and not to
recruitment.
Jesse Jones -- Miami, FL -- 12/15/96
jcjones@herald.infi.net
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He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker
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|From: Jesse Jones
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Scortched scotch.
|Date: 16 Dec 96 06:20:40
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Quoting KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT to JESSE JONES on 12-12-96
KW>JJ>RV>> RC> I grieve for you. What next? PEPPER?
KW>JJ>RV>> RV> Lay it on with a knife.
KW>JJ>RV>RC>I never thought I'd say this, but Brother Jesse was right:
KW>JJ>RV>RC>This truly is an evil place.
KW>JJ>RV>Better then a women to spice up your life. Cheaper too.
KW>JJ> I've often speculated that the denizens of this hellhole
KW>JJ>get sexually aroused with their rituals of abuse here. Thanks
KW>JJ>for confirming it.
KW>