God Damned Fundies!
|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: Gods, not god
|Date: 18 Jan 96 12:54:00
EID:da59 203266c0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to William Childress <=-
>WC> The gods you referenced are false. I.E., they are not
>WC> what they are represented as.
Much like the Christian gods.
GTP> I worship the Earth. She exists and all we have comes
GTP> from Her.
What nation did the moon rocks come from?
/smirk!/
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: $cientology
|Date: 18 Jan 96 13:24:00
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-=> Quoting J.j. Hitt to Preston Simpson <=-
>>JJH> Members who had broken any of the thousands of rules
>>JJH> (and this included small children, one young offender
>>JJH> ate the "Commodore's" telex) were locked in the "anchor
>>JJH> locker" with a small wire brush and told to clean the
>>JJH> chain.
>PS> Ugh. And if they refused?
JJH> Wouldn't happen. A literally unthinkable option.
JJH> Membership on Flag was a special honor, those who signed
JJH> on for the "billion year tour of duty" were not newbies
JJH> off the street but persons who had already been in the
JJH> rank and file for years. If anyone was going to refuse
JJH> anything, they would have done it long before they ever
JJH> became a candidate for Flag.
But think of the benefits: They got to wear nifty uniforms!
JJH> And besides, in the event you were someone who had
JJH> deliberately infiltrated the organization: you were at
JJH> sea. Are you going to walk home? Anyone that close to
JJH> Hubbard couldn't have helped but notice that he was crazy
JJH> enough to toss you overboard (with weights). That never
JJH> happened, but only because it was never necessary, I don't
JJH> think Hubbard would have given it a second thought if he
JJH> felt the need.
Hubbard often did exactly that: "overboarding" out-ethics flag
members by tying their hands togeather and throwing them off
the side of the _Apollo._
JJH> So how is it that we know anything at all about life on
JJH> Flag? Hubbard was a paranoid. He was always finding people
JJH> around him that he felt needed to be drummed out of the
JJH> organization.
Not to mention, we have Steve Fishman! :-)
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Re: Homosexian Christual
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:17:00
EID:029e 20307a20
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc31ec
CR> so much that he sent his Son to take that punishment for us. We
PS>And he loved them so much that he ordered his chosen people to murder
PS>infants. He loved people so much that he drowned most of them when the
PS>Bible says your earth was young. He loved people so much that he sent
PS>two bears to maul a pack of kids to death because they teased one of
PS>his prophets.
PS>That's not love, Chuckie.
True. That is Righteous Judgment. Think of it from the point of view
of the bears. They could thank God for providing them a meal while
at the same time carrying out judgment on those worthy of it.
Besides, He is the one calling the shots. So, anything you or I
say or think about it has no effect on what He says or does.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Married, Will Cheat
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:22:02
EID:e5ca 20307ac0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc331a
PS>... "From the author of the best selling horror novel, _The Bible_...."
Ya. From the pov of most on this Conference this is probably true.
Problem is, someday it will be for many a historical horror novel.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:31:04
EID:2058 20307be0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc3538
BH>This is not the first time I have read an ad of this nature, and the
BH>more it happens, the ANGRIER I find myself!!!
BH> This is a real ad, taken from "The News Avertiser", January 7,
BH> 1996:
BH> CHRISTIAN HORIZONS
BH> Front line staff required to work with developmentally and
BH> behaviourally challanged individuals in group home settings.
BH> Working from a Christian perspective, education and experience
BH> are required.
BH> Apply in writing to:
BH> 575 Wentworth Street East,
BH> Unit 20, Oshawa Ont.
BH> etc. etc. etc.
Looks fine to me. If the organization is owned and run by
christians why shouldn't they be able to choose who they
want as employees?
BH>Now, I have also seen jobs for "Christian truckdriver wanted" and "Born
BH>again carpenter".
Again, if the organization is owned and run by christians, why
can't they choose who they want?
BH>What absolutely galls me is that these ads are ILLEGAL IN CANADA and
BH>yet, Christians still get away with it!!!
Either they are legal in Canada or the Canadian Government isn't
very adept in upholding their own laws in this regard.
BH>What is the difference if the person applying is Jewish, or atheist or
BH>Moslem or whatever? Either you have the experience and the
BH>qualifications or you DON'T!!!
If the organization is owned and run by christians who want their
employees to teach christianity then they should have a right to
this kind of employee.
BH>NOTE TOO: that the first qualification is to be Christian--the rest
BH>appear to be negotiable!
The guy who owns the business calls the shots.
BH>Can you imagine the bloody uproar that would ensue if I was to
BH>advertise:
BH>
"Wanted: Must be Native and untainted by
BH> Christianity. No Jews, Moslems or Hindus need
BH> apply. Skilled leather craftsperson."
BH>THINK ABOUT IT, PEOPLE!!!
Looks fine to me. If the own wants this he has the right.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:38:06
EID:b661 20307cc0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc36de
RS>Jim Staal wrote in a message to Steve Rose:
JS> Hmmmm...church...not exciting? Ever tried it?
RS>Yes, in fact I have.
RS>It consisted of a large population of older folks dressed
RS>in their spiffy clashing suits and dresses. For about an
RS>hour everyone sat silent listening to one man preaching
RS>stuff at them. It had the air of a large brainwashing
RS>session.
RS>Then in the lobby they served NOODLES! Oodles and oodles of NOODLES!
RS>were enough NOODLES for everyone there to have their share
RS>of the oodles and oodles of NOODLES!
RS>That is _not_ what I call excitement.
Hmmm... Guess you haven't been to Calvary Chapel. There, people dress
any way they want to dress. People of all ages attend. There is some
good Christian Rock music (which the Business Section of the LA Times
today said is making lots of money), and a preacher who is humorous
and interesting. One may not agree with what he says. But at least
he has something subtantive to say and says it in an entertaining
manner.
Oh, and they serve no noodles in the lobby.
Ken
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: [2/2] Grace
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:41:08
EID:efa4 20307d20
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc3794
RS>Maria Russell wrote in a message to Lynda Bustilloz:
MR> God offers salvation to ALL. It's a GIFT. He extends it to
MR> everyone. It's up to the individual if he himself will ACCEPT it.
RS>Let me get this straight. All we have to do is believe in
RS>god, accept god, etc. and everything will be taken care of?
No. Salvation is offered to all. Based on the manner in
which Maria expressed herself, though, I can see why
one could misconstrue the message.
RS>In that case, could you furnish me with god's account
RS>numbers so that I can have the bill collectors take the
RS>money out of his account? Thanks in advance.
God is not generally in the business of bailing out
those who have a problem with financial management.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: Re: Homosexual christian
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:47:10
EID:5687 20307de0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc38fe
CM> On Saturday, January 13th, 1996 - Preston Simpson wrote:
PS> You have any evidence outside of your book of myths that he created
PS> anything?
CM>How do you explain this world & everything on it?
Well, you see, there was this Big Bang wherein everything
came into being out of nothing...Then this mindless force
known as Natural Selection took over from there. At least
that is what they tried to teach my kids in public school.
Ken
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 16 Jan 96 15:49:12
EID:c85e 20307e20
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc3978
As> #5 Yes, that does figure if you think about it.
As> Where is the proof of a 'heaven'? I see none.
JP>Get back to me when you WANT to see a bit of "evidence."
KS>Are you nuts or just inconceivably dense???
KS>Everyfuckingbody in the ECHO has been BEGGING for evidence for
KS>years!
Right...They're all crawling all over each other trying to
find evidence. And dogs fly too.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: flood
|Date: 16 Jan 96 17:52:14
EID:3729 20308e80
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc564e
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Maria Russell mumbled "Re:
PS> flood"
MB>do that, since the Bible is, I'm told, the Word of God, and cannot
MB>contain such variations. (Now would somebody please explain to me
MB>why there are two flood myths in the Bible, and they are different
MB>in some major details?)
KS>Joshua 24 is interesting...it talks about people from "the other
KS>side of the flood"...and how they worshipped OTHER gods...
Hmmm...I wonder which translation you have. Mine says "from
beyond the River..." with a footnote indicating the reference
is to the Euphrates River.
KS> * OLX 2.2 * Multitasking: Start a download, go get a beer...
Damn! You mean I didn't have to buy Windows95?
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: A Visit 4/4
|Date: 16 Jan 96 17:54:16
EID:0f03 20308ec0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc56c8
LB>"Married, Will Cheat?"
LB>Right. I don't see anything wrong with sex outdoors (unless it's on
LB>neighbors lawn without their permission, of course), but there is no
KS>Or on the 50 yard line at the Super Bowl...
LB>deceive your spouse, from either a Christian standpoint, OR from any
LB>which values honor and honesty. I found it hideous that he would at
LB>to justify those echos by dragging in God as co-conspirator.
KS>Hm. I wonder what Joseph thought when JC popped out...?...
"My God!" probably.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Thanks for your Response
|Date: 16 Jan 96 17:57:18
EID:1a78 20308f20
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fc577e
GZ>eternal life. Jesus gives away the gift of eternal life freely to al
GZ>those who accept Him as Lord and Savior. To those who refuse Him com
GZ>eternal suffering. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of
KS>Ah. Threats, eh? Screw you and your bastard myth-gawd.
Yup. You better fess up...
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Christian
|Date: 17 Jan 96 14:11:00
EID:5146 20317160
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fd73f4
PS>Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Christian"
JS> Lynda, why the great offense? My main beef is purely your apparent
JS> departure from scripture. When I ask for evidence from scripture f
JS> your 'beliefs', you instead, bad mouth me to the pagans.
PS>Departure from scripture? Excellent. Let's talk about that.
I'm willing.
PS>Toss out all your clothing made from more than one kind of fiber. Stop
PS>eating pork products, or at least avoid cooking them with the same
PS>utensils you use for dairy products. Don't bother with shaving, keep
PS>the sabbath, don't bother foreigners, have your local minister do your
PS>property assessments, take in the homeless (but give them no food), et
PS>cetera.
Every hear of Progressive Revelation? That the Law was fulfilled
100% in Jesus Christ? That Christians are not under the Law?
Get back to us when you stop departing from Scripture yourself.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Fof
|Date: 17 Jan 96 15:54:02
EID:ceed 20317ec0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fd8c1a
JB> Things that will NOT lose your account...calling someone a 'godles
JB> heathen', 'hell-bound sinner' or 'atheist bastard'. Usually undese
JB> as anyone who would utter something that WOULD deserve such a reto
JB> has already been booted...not JUST out of the forum, but off the
JB> service completely.
SA>I hear something similar has gone/is going down on Compuserve. Any
SA>verification of such a rumour?
Hmmm...I'll have to go check both AOL and Compuserve. I have both.
I have never frequented the Religion Forums on either, though.
Doing something like that would run into too much money being
rung up too quickly. I primarily use these Services for the
tech support I need from software developers I have software
from.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: It only hurts when I Spo
|Date: 17 Jan 96 16:03:04
EID:b11a 20318060
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fd8e38
JH> And in modern times we have the observance of Hanukkah. The
JH> history of it's observance as a major holiday happens to
JH> coincide with the time when Dickens and the retailers made
JH> Christmas into a Mighty Big Deal. Also, you will find it
JH> being either a minor observance or not observed at all in
JH> those parts of the world where the Eastern Orthodox callendar
JH> is used and Christmas is celebrated somewhat later in the
JH> year.
MB>It's also problematic whether Jews are currently practicing
MB>Judaism or not. How many in this country now keep kosher? That's
MB>just one example. The Jews in this country, for the most part,
MB>have pretty thoroughly assimilated. And those that haven't are
MB>generally thought of as lunatic fringe. Living in the "melting
MB>pot" we call "American" tends to do that to cultures. There are
MB>probably more traditional, kosher-keeping Jews in Israel than in
MB>anyplace else in the world, and even there, I'm not sure they are
MB>in the majority.
This is probably true. Although, I can remember waiting at
Kennedy airport on my way to Israel. I had never seen so
many Orthodox Jews in my life in one place. These men in
black suits, beards, black hats, standing around all over
the place in the airport engaged in animated discussions.
I spent two months in Israel and never saw as many in one
location as I did at Kennedy. Of course, that was in 1973.
I'm sure things have changed dramatically since then in
this respect.
Assimilation sure has happened with the denomination I
grew up in. I grew up in a Mennonite Brethren Church
in San Jose, Calif. My parents had come from Nebraska.
Their parents had come from Russia. Back in Nebraska,
earlier this century, they were very much like the
Amish: no cars, no dancing, no skating in a skating
rink, no going to movies, etc. etc. Basically, as
little contact with the outside world as possible.
By the time I was growing up the only thing left
was no dancing or going to movies. Other than these,
one couldn't tell a Mennonite from anyone else in
the culture around them. Today, the ban against
dancing and movies is totally gone.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Ark
|Date: 17 Jan 96 16:06:06
EID:6456 203180c0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fd8eee
MB>On (14 Jan 96) J.J. Hitt wrote to Preston Simpson...
JH> service record to the public. BUT, the tale I heard
JH> recently claimed that he was in command of a submarine in
JH> WWI (did we even have subs
PS> I heard that he was aboard a destroyer during WWII.
JH> That concurs with the biographical notes about him in the
JH> back of Dianetics. For some reason I thought Hubbub was older
JH> than that. I thought Crowley had made a few references to him
JH> (Maybe Luke Clark has these handy), which would tend to make
JH> him older than the average WWII soldier's age of 25.
MB>That was an average. If I remember correctly, they werr drafting
MB>up to the age of 40.
This is correct. My dad barely avoided getting drafted in World
War II because his 41st birthday came just in time.
MB>... Creationist: "Why yes. Rome _was_ built in a day."
MB>--- PPoint 1.98
MB> * Origin: So What's Yer Point? (1:105/40.666)
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Alan Jennings
|Sub: Church of Elvis
|Date: 17 Jan 96 16:08:08
EID:95d0 20318100
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fd8f68
> Doesn't being saved have a tendency to reduce
> your intellect???
AJ>Yes it does, but having Elvis think you're neat can add
AJ>bucks to your bank account. He's one generous guy.
There have been some pretty heavyweight scholars who
have become saved whose intellects were not reduced
in the least for having done so. C. S. Lewis is an
example. Even his detractors recognized this fact.
At least those who personally knew him knew this
fact.
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* WR 1.33 # 618 * Religious error: (A)tone (R)epent (I)mmolate?
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: God Is Pure Evil!
|Date: 17 Jan 96 17:39:10
EID:4afa 20318ce0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fda4be
-> On 01-11-96 17:41, Kris Okelly got back to Martin Goldberg
KO> if god was evil he would not of made us..
DC>If god had any powers, he would have taught you grammar and
DC>spelling.
I hope we don't need to drag god into this...I remember
grading papers of college students when I was in graduate
school. What alarmed me was that many of the foreign
students were much better in spelling and grammar than
the American students. I just hate it when someone
uses "of" when they should have used "have."
KO> meny ways.. he gave me a loving family plus great firends.
DC>That's "andirons", or do you squeeze your cheeks together to
DC>hold the logs....
This kid needs help.
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|From: Ken Wiens
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 17 Jan 96 17:47:12
EID:5329 20318de0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 30fda6a0
-> On 01-10-96 22:20, Les Wilcox got back to Larry Sites
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
LS>What is a "christian"? A licensed fucking thief! Biased on your
LS>hypocritical actions. If jesus exists, is he proud of you?
LW> Grow up! I've already explained that this program doesn't have
LW> a 30 day limitation from the author. You worry about registering
LW> * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP
DC>Are you done evaluating it? Or are you too stupid to understand
DC>the concept?
I happen to have gotten mine registered some months ago.
However, the people who created this program have moved
and left no address or way of contacting them. Sue and
Doug Crocker shut down their BBS in Washington, left
Microsoft and moved to some other State. Evidently
Doug works for DataStorm now. Still, an unregistered
user would not be able to register at this juncture.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Homosexian Christuals
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:33:38
EID:c52b 20321420
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 30fff843
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb6c5
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Charles Rollins <=-
DW> I don't usually start tagline-based discussions, but this was to
DW> weird to pass up.
CR> ... "God is Dead" - Nietzsche ::: "Nietzsche is Dead" - God
CR> -+-
CR> + Origin: The Q-Continuum, Sissonville, WV (1:279/14.3)
DW> You mean you actually have taglines that *aren't* related to Star
DW> Trek? Amazing.
Actually, I think the word for it is "fascinating".
Sue
... I've had a difficult past few lives. -The Doctor
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:48:27
EID:3398 20334e00
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, is this really Jim or another anacephalic alternate?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jim or Lump? Which Staal for you [J/L]?
JS> 'J'. How many lumps for you? One or two...step up here...
ML> Now which Staal is once again advocating violence (or is it
ML> another sham at high tea)?
JS> Violence!? Violence to whom!? (and I don't get high on 'tea'.)
You again; offering lumps. (You say you don't get high on tea;
so what do you get high on? Anoxia?)
ML> Why would they need two versions if they were exactly the same?
JS> I don't know about 'they',
ML> Now there's the understatement of the month.
JS> DEFINE _'THEY'_, HERR DOKTOR!!
Do your own research, Jimbo. Quit begging your betters to do it
for you.
JS> I knew
JS> what you were trying to imply, but I don't see it that way.
ML> That's not all you don't see.
JS> Yeah...I don't see the point of this conversation...
Conversations with nescient rubes are rather pointless,
although you do provide some hilarious comic relief; however
insouciant.
ML> Paul suffered head trauma.
JS> Any evidence to support this claim? If so trot it out here and we'll
JS> take a look at it, MISTER Leipzig...
Just ask Hector. (I wonder why you excised the rest of my
reply...hit too close to home?)
JS> were just a bunch of
JS> 'shewest thou me's. And I'm not Al Bundy. I don't sell women's shoes.
JS> Ya know?
ML> No, I do not. Who, or what, is an "Al Bundy"
JS> Huh!? You live in a cave or something?
Nope. Just Russia, Uzbekistan and other points east for good
portions of the year.
JS> Truely
Try "truly", Herr "English Major".
JS> _the_ male role model
JS> of the 80's and 90's...
For you. That figures.
ML> and from where did
ML> this "women's shoes" reference emerge?
JS> Al Bundy sells womens
Try "...women's...", Comrade "English Major".
JS> shoes...'shewest thou me'?
You will never know how I am relieved that I know nothing about
your role models.
JS> Duh...
Yet another disenfranchised quasibiped from the MTV school of debate.
... Are you really THAT stupid, or do you have to work at it?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:49:12
EID:6fca 20334e20
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, which lumpian Stall have I reached this time around?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jimbo, is this really you or someone just as ignorant?
JS> I really despise your new 'intro' lines...
ML> How unfortunate. Now, answer the question. Is it you or someone
ML> else in Wyoming who's just as ignorant?
JS> I know nothing of this 'wyoming' of which you speak. I live in
JS> Grandville, Michigan.
That's because it's "Wyoming". And, you still did not answer
the question.
JS> In fact, I live in a post box, #171, Grandville,
JS> MI 49468-0171.
Damn. What with your being so tall and all, I'll wager that's a
mighty tight fit.
ML> I don't need a milkcrate, Comrade.
JS> So they tried to tell me. I would not believe it. I do not believe it.
ML> Who cares? You also believe every jot and tittle of the Bible.
JS> Why shouldn't I believe it? S'the truth...
So tell us all about the flood, Jimbo. Provide a little
evidence of the truth of that claim.
JS> I have seen no evidence of it...for _I_ am 6'7", 285lbs of
ML> No...this is just too easy...
JS> No, I ate a lot of corn flakes as a youthful Hollander...
Flakes.
It figures.
JS> well marbled
JS> Hollander...
ML> Particularly between the ears.
JS> Tsk...
Veritas.
ML> You know, Jimbo; you strike me as someone with a serious ego
ML> problem. I'm no psychiatrist (never claimed to be, in fact); but
ML> no one else in this forum ever trumpets about themselves as much
ML> as you.
JS> None _can_ measure up, can they...
To your insipid egomaniacal rantings? Nope, you're a blue ribbon
winner in that "class"
ML> Are we supposed to be intimidated or impressed?
JS> Neither. Merely amused, that's all...
You are rather amusing, however unintentional.
ML> We're neither.
JS> REally!? I thought you would be one of the 'better educated' [TM]
JS> your bro Fred Rice trumpets around here...
Fred is not my brother, as I have none. And, as I stated, we're
neither impressed nor intimidated by you; merely amused.
JS> Nah...you seem more of a man of _mere_ words...
Quote editing is verboten, Herr Staal. That _mere_ is an
addition of yours to the original, Chuckles. Styx doesn't take
lightly to that, you know.
ML> Yep. That's what they tell me at the gym.
JS>
Nope. Mengele is dead; you merely emulate him from the neck-up.
JS> 'picosecond'???
ML> It's a science term, Jimmy. My apologies, I should have
ML> realized that it would have flummoxed you completely.
JS> 'flummoxed'!? Is that some sort of ethnic idiom?
Nope. Yet another common word that completely vexes the
resident "English Major".
How quaint.
ML> Well, Jimbo; I am not wicked; nor am I atrocious; in fact, my
ML> wordsmithery reflects refinement and exemplary English.
JS> My my...you can wax eloquent if you desire...
ML> Jealous?
JS> Not at all. I am referred to 'Silver Tongued Jim Staal' even out of
JS> the bedroom, Marty...
I guess you'd get that from licking out stainless steel
urinals.
JS> But I do and there is, therefore you did...in my eyes...
ML> "...in your eyes..."? So who appointed you arbiter of all things
ML> sacred and profane?
JS> Oh, not I, sir, but rather, the holy writ, The Bible.
This "Holy Writ" also says that bats are birds.
So much for the credence of that reference.
JS> No, I'm referring to the personal attack on the individual...
ML> For someone so allegedly big, your skin seems definitely
ML> monomolecular in thickness.
JS> Not at all, sir. You attack one's intellect, which is far beyond mere
JS> flesh wounds.
In order to attack your intellect, I have to be quite the
sharpshooter.
ML> Hey, what do you expect from a "heinous blasphemer", Jimbo?
ML> Sauce, Herr Staal, for the goose.
JS> In other words, they are mere juvenile retribution? I can accept that.
Not at all. They are mere words that cause you enormous
anxiety. I call that "fun".
ML> True, it has progressed. I before thought you were a boor. Now
ML> I am sure of it.
JS> Tsk. Just when I thought you were getting to know me better...
I know you far too well as it stands. Getting to know you
better is like getting better acquainted with a sewer rat.
ML> Of course it isn't. It came from you, therefore it couldn't be.
JS> Ahhh...and once again you abuse my good nature and fine sense of
JS> humor. That's OK, I can take it...like a _man_!
Jimmy, you really shouldn't leave straight lines like that...
... Most people have beliefs. The remaining small percent prefer to think.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:50:19
EID:43ef 20334e40
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
Now, which Staal has oozed his way onto the scene this time?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Preston Simpson <=-
PS> (What fool puts an OED on the second floor of his house?
PS> You've got to make sure the foundation is fairly strong to even have
PS> one on the ground floor.)
ML> Since when do double-wides have a second story?
JS> I resent the inference...like _I_ live in a mobile.
Looks like I put another group in the 10 ring.
JS> I'll have you know
JS> I have owned my own three bedroom humble(900 sq ft _including_ garage)
JS> ranch since 1969...with basement.
Now just a minute, Jimbo. In the previous post, you said that
you "...lived in a post box...".
Don't lie, Jimmy. The better educated around here catch you
each and every time you do.
... "We've got Moog synthesizers...we could kill you from here." MST3K
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: STAAL SHOWS
|Date: 18 Jan 96 11:36:08
EID:30cc 20325c80
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> And order the Steak Tartare medium well, no doubt.
JB>
JB> No, he's the type that would order it and then complain that it wasn't
JB> cooked well enough when it came. When corrected he would then come up
JB> with something like 'I know that, but I like mine well done anyway'.
Then he'd finally settle for a well done piece of leather,
slather it with ketchup and toothlessly grin "Now that's good
eatin'!".
JB> Yes...for some warm weather to get here so I can grind my own again.
I just put up a rack of venison sausage. I'm still waiting on a
load of mesquite to finish it properly.
... A Mystic asking for a hot-dog: "Make me one with everything".
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 18 Jan 96 12:07:06
EID:3055 203260e0
George Rudzinski, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jim Staal, who wanted to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to
ML> Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jim Staal <=-
ML> Jim or Lump? Which Staal for you [J/L]?
JS> 'J'. How many lumps for you? One or two...step up here...
ML> Now which Staal is once again advocating violence (or is it
ML> another sham at high tea)?
GR> Marty,
GR> And he claims I'm violent. He wacks his wife around, makes people
GR> stand on milk crates, and claims I'm violent?
Jim is very uneven (I was going to say unstable, but even I
won't stoop that low for a "Staal" pun). It really makes me
wonder what is on what passes for his mind when he repeatedly
trumpets his size in this forum.
As if that's germane to anything on this echo.
Curious.
... "Eye's a Anglish majjur, an I neber heard tha' werd". Bro Jimmy
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Marty, Marty, Marty...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 06:27:07
EID:8df6 20333360
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, which Staal has pulled his toes out of his mouth to post a
message this time?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Jm Staal <=-
JS> See how everything in God's creation serves a purpose Herr Leipzig.
:)
ML> Indeed. Even you can be thought of to have a purpose; although
ML> why anyone would want a 6'7" trash can is beyond me.
JS> Ahh...so eloquent...
ML> Your jealousy is unbecoming.
JS> No jealousy. I sit back a shake my head
Why? You enjoy the noisome sound of marbles rattling around in
an empty tin can?
JS> in disbelief and dispair
^^^^^^^
That's "...despair...", Herr Idiot.
JS> as
JS> think of the waste of an education.
You obviously cannot be reflecting on your own sorry state, as
you don't have anything that could even remotely be considered
an education.
And if, by some befoolish construct of yours, are referring to me;
I'm sure all the Russians will get a good laugh out of you. I
regularly take a couple of weeks worth of HolySmoke over there
to let them see just what some people from the West are like.
You serve as an excellent example to my Eastern colleagues as a
class-A example of first class, homegrown, All-American washout.
Prosit!, Jimbo. You're the "toast" of two continents...how
about some jam to go with that?
JS> You can't even hold a civil
JS> conversation...
I don't hold civil conversations with cockroaches, either.
The exact same principle applies here.
JS> and your types are in the White House and other places
JS> of influence...
I don't have time for politics. My vistas are international;
unlike your parochial and prosaic prospects.
JS> (effluence, actually...)
Dwelling in that dump of a life as you do; you're the echo maven
in that department.
JS> so much for living up to the potential of a
JS> 'better education'...
I can and do. Too bad you possess and practice neither.
ML> Given the obvious level of your lack of the same, how could you
ML> even deign to comment upon it?
JS> I know one when I see one...
Just the point, Dickhead. "Blind are those who will not see."
Here's your cup and pencils. Go stake out a streetcorner.
... "What a depressingly stupid asshole." said Marvin and trudged away.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: There's no scotch like no scotch.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 08:57:05
EID:7d8e 20334720
David Hilling, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DH> ::To: David Hilling From: Marty Leipzig Subj: There's no scotch
DH> like no scotch.----------------------@N ML> David Hilling, who wanted
DH> to be a miner, but was lousy adit, said to ML> Marty Leipzig:
DH> But there was one London greeting above all others
DH> that drew the heartiest of welcomes--the words `Old Crow!'"
DH> -Carl H. Giles _All About Booze_ (University Circle
DH> Press, 1966)
ML> And a hale "Wild Turkey" to you!
DH> Beam... James Beam.
Dickel...George Dickel.
... "*Wow*! What type of drinks do you serve here?" - Ford Prefect
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Homosexual Christian
|Date: 19 Jan 96 08:57:32
EID:669e 20334720
Gwenny the Pooh, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
GtP> Heilsa, Marty!
Tunk Gwerfya, Gwen!
GtP> While bumping down stairs after Christopher Robin, Gwenny the Pooh
GtP> heard Marty say to Gwenny:
CM>>> No. Even with the old Yin & Yang, GOOD & EVIL. Good & Bad, both
CM>>> intertwine. You can not have one without the other. Those people
CM>>> wern't even Christians.
GtP>> Yin and Yang are NOT good and evil, but positive and negative (as
in
GtP>> electrical charge), male and female, etc.
ML> Exactly. Opposites. Like Christian and atheist. Or Christian
ML> and intelligent. Or Christian and coherent...
GtP>
Set 'em up and knock 'em down...
CM>>> Christian
GtP>> PAGAN
ML> Atheist.
GtP> Oh, no, don't tell me I've started something.
"Not another list, Franz?!?"
GtP>> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
ML> Both, particularly during happy hour.
GtP> Be sure you find out EXACTLY what's in that cauldron of wisdom before
GtP> you take a drink.
Make mine a double.
ML> ... I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat
ML> vegetables.
GtP> ... I know my place in the food chain, I a PREDATOR!
"That's not lunch. That's something lunch would eat..."
... "Bother", said Pooh as he drank his fifth Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Metafundy redux
|Date: 19 Jan 96 08:59:38
EID:5f96 20334760
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML> I wouldn't know, though. I boycott Blockbuster because they
ML> caved into Rev. Wildmon and his pack of Religious
ML> Reichsters.
MG> I boycott all those bastards because they don't have any decent
MG> movies.
There's another valid reason.
MG> Although I did get a copy of "Elmer Gantry" once. Just for
MG> the hell of it.
Burt Lancaster was great in that role.
... Consider your reputation. Now, change your name and move out of town
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:00:20
EID:3eea 20334800
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
ML> Anyone that can mention those two MTVidiots and
ML> sophistication
ML> in the same line has obviously been too long under the spell
ML> scotch.
MG> So tell me, Rock Pounder, who is more sophisticated....B&B or Michael
MG> Jackson.
I haven't a clue. I leave that to sophisticated connoisseurs of
MTV like yourself to make those calls.
... "Nothing satisfies quite like booze." - Crow T. Robot
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:02:36
EID:3eea 20334840
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
MG>> prticipting in a pie fight.
ML> Send a "Hard Copy" news team to Wyoming around dinnertime.
MG> And Oosterman cna bake the fresh pies up. Maybe a fresh crop of
MG> horseapples?
You really think you could fit the Lump and his alter-ego into
a pie-pan?
... "Oh, bother"' said Pooh as Christopher Robin took Roo shark fishing.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: CHRISTOLOGY
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:03:36
EID:3eea 20334860
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
MG>> More like a guy tht washes down his feathers with WT.
ML> Better than washing down the whole goose with scotch.
MG> You're right.
Of course I am.
I'm amazed, Herr Docktor. You actually are showing the
faintest glimmerings of good taste.
MG> Bourbon should be left for such things.
Indeed. It goes well with all upperclass comestibles.
MG> Scotch is far
MG> too palatable to be used near a goose.
Except during the de-feathering phase.
... I hear the Schmaltz Police knocking on your door...
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:05:20
EID:56c6 203348a0
Martin Goldberg, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
MG>> What DO Haggis tste like?
ML> Never having eaten one, I can only go on second-hand
ML> information. You told me they taste like scotch, only
ML> the shoe-polish finish.
MG> Like Blood Somethingorother I suspect. Or oatmeal.
Hemoglobin, plasma, and cereal products. Add a little fish
urine and humic acid and you'd have another bottle of Clan
McVladTheImpaler.
... "No, he doesn't want to hurt him-it's just high-impact chiropractics."
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: PYTHON TRIVIA
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:06:38
EID:63f6 203348c0
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> Waiting with "Spring Surprise" baited breath.
JB>
JB> The wait will have to continue until the damned program decides to ask
JB> that particular question again.
JB>
JB> You would figure that if you picked up with a saved game that all the
JB> parameters would still be the same, wouldn't you? But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
JB> Oh well, it IS Monty Python, after all.
Isn't "Waste of time" also included in the title?
... Lobotopantheism: Using an empty cranium as the basis of gods.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:07:27
EID:7dba 203348e0
Judith Bandsma, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Judith Bandsma <=-
ML> And this on MLK day...
JB>
JB> Was it really?
Yes it was. I'd be very ashamed, if I could just quit laughing.
... "Oh, bother"' said Pooh as searched Ararat for the 1 True Ark.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Conference Guidelines
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:08:16
EID:131c 20334900
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DW> 15 Jan 96 05:19, Marty Leipzig wrote to Styx Allum:
CR>> frequent use of profanity here is also just as disruptive? I'm
CR>> stopping my feed to this echo myself, you don't have to bother.
ML>
ML> And another one bites the dust....
DW> Hell, Chuckie'd have to stand on a stack of milk crates to even bite
DW> dust.
He keeps getting run over by snakes.
... "Thank you for being gutless!"- Crow, "Rocketship X-M"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Staal shows he's colored
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:08:48
EID:6342 20334900
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Marty Leipzig:
DW> 15 Jan 96 05:50, Marty Leipzig wrote to Preston Simpson:
PS>> (What fool puts an OED on the second floor of his house?
PS>> You've got to make sure the foundation is fairly strong to even
PS>> have one on the ground floor.)
ML> Since when do double-wides have a second story?
DW> Considering how vertically-challenged Jimbo is, he probably calls the
DW> empty area beneath the trailer the first story.
Well, he calls that empty area between his ears a "mind"...
... Evolution yesterday for a better tomorrow today.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Fucking gun nuts!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:09:31
EID:b592 20334920
David Worrell, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to MARTY LEIPZIG:
DW> 12 Jan 96 21:12, Fredric Rice wrote to MARTY LEIPZIG:
ml>> That's the round and M O favored by the Massad.
FR> anyway it's spelled wrong. }:-} Don't I not work for the Mossad?
DW> I *told* you that bourbon would rot your brain.
Sheesh. Misspell a foreign word just once and your rep goes out
the window...
DW> Today you're having
DW> your spelling corrected by Fred. What happens tomorrow, instruction
DW> in the finer points of theology by Mcabee?
More likely, English lessons from Jimbozo.
... Close your eyes, click your heels together 3 times and yell "IS NOT!"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows all...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:11:50
EID:0167 20334960
Jim Staal, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said to
Marty Leipzig:
So, is this Jim or just another equal waste of electrons?
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Ryan Shaw <=-
JS> Hey, let's get the spelling of my good name correct, OK? 'STAAL'!
JS> Never 'Stall'!
RS> Staalin.
ML> Staal's stalled in the vast lane.
JS> Uh...no. I like concerting. I like Italian cuisine...and
JS> Chinese...and a visit to the Japanese steakhouse.
RS> A Japanese `steakhouse'?
ML> Benihana's; which is to real Japanese food like Chi Chi's is to
ML> Mexican food.
JS> OK, OK...it's actually called 'the Golden Dragon'...
Then you went to the cathouse next door, called the Golden
Shower.
... The believer is happy; the doubter is wise - Hungarian proverb
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 19 Jan 96 09:47:58
EID:f0f1 20334de0
Christian Miller, who knows now that a "bordello" isn't a Latin depot, said
to Katherine Wintersnight:
CM> On Monday, January 15th, 1996 - Katherine Wintersnight wrote:
KW> coherently. I do note, however, you are evading answering my
KW> question. How many men do you share your wife with?
CM>
CM> I don't share my wife with any one, OK? (In a sexual manner)
So, what you're saying is that you don't shake hands.
... Cretinism: creationism after you remove the Alpha (a) and Omega (o)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:06
EID:ffe2 20336b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1eb
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 30fb1235
RJ> And look how she chooses to spend her spare time. Defending
RJ> that existence to people who try informing her of other
RJ> options.
LB> To be fair, she IS entitled to defend it, and she's entitled to place
LB> herself in that sort of lifestyle. Where she crosses the line is not
Yup. Great thing about this country--anyone's allowed to
hold whatever personal view they choose, no matter how stupid.
And as a result, (I wish I could remember the SC judge who
wrote the opinion--Brandeis, I think) the way to combat speech
is with...more speech. So we get to express our own opinions
on how twisted someone else's beliefs are.
LB> in living it, or in defending it, but in insisting that anyone else
LB> MUST join her in it or face some sort of eternal consequence. It
LB> always seems to me that people who must fall back on damnation have
run
LB> out of any GOOD reasons for promoting their view, and are left only
LB> with threatening something even worse than what they propose.
I notice our BroJim has lapsed back into his "damnation
cycle" again.
... I'd rather be Herod's pig than Herod's son.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:23:41
EID:c2d2 20320ae0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1ec
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LB> On an entirely different topic, I'm reading a history of astronomers,
LB> and one of the little tidbits that caught my eye was that Christian
LB> Huygens, in the late 1600s, designed an internal combustion
LB> engine...and did absolutely nothing with it, since it was just a little
LB> time-killer.
Hey, could you give me that source? When I took a class on the
Stuart dynasty, I did my termpaper on the Scientific Revolution.
Huygen's name popped up in my research on the founding of the
Royal Society, and he's better known for his astronomical work,
but seeing as I might consider going back to history for a master's
in something like history of science, that's just the sort of thing
I'd like to look into.
What sort of fuel?
... Oxymoron: Microsoft Works.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Maria...I just met a girl na
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:28:36
EID:5d0b 20320b80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1ed
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30faccfb
Which Staal do we have this time?
RJ> So they had special dispensation to rule out which books were
RJ> canon and which weren't?
JS> Yes, as a matter of fact...
OK, please tell me what that might be.
RJ> Was your god in the room with the
RJ> bishops at Nicea to give his personal thumbs-up-thumbs-down
RJ> say-so on what the canon was?
JS> I'm sure He was, as a matter of fact...
Was he there when they clipped the Apocrypha?
... Professional assassination...is the highest form of public service.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:30:20
EID:a7c7 20320bc0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1ee
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30faccfc
Who's the Jimmy du jour today?
RJ> Especially since she clearly shows NO intention of rejecting
RJ> her Christianic beliefs.
JS> Her 'theology' demonstrates that in some ways she already has...
Good one. I guess I was wrong about you not having a
sense of humor. But there are degrees of wrongness, just
like there are degrees of humor. I think this is an area
where the margin remains small on both fronts.
JS> None of the above. It is more of the juvenile 'peer' thing where we
go
JS> with those of larger number, just to fit in, be cool...I'm sure _you_
JS> understand...
RJ> Hmm...One billion Christians in the world. A few million
RJ> atheists and agnostics. If Lynda wanted to "fit in" with the
RJ> larger group, why would she hang out on an echo where she's
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
RJ> in the minority?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
JS> It was obvious I referring to the echo...
And so was I, if you read the post.
JS> n'est-ce pas?
JS> Huh?
It's French, for "nicht wahr?"
... Well do you, punk?
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Marty...
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:35:49
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Which one of the Many Faces Of Jim is in the driver's seat?
RJ> So if you say something really asinine, and then a few months
RJ> later you have total faith you never said such a thing, that
RJ> makes it true, doesn't it?
JS> I dunno. You gonna admit to this statement in a few months? Pretty
JS> silly talk you have going here, Bobby...
Hmmm...will I stand by what I said in a few months that I've
accused you of backpedaling on statements? I think I'm man
enough to do that. Would you like me to stand on a milkcrate
when I do? Do you really want me to take the "high ground"?
I mean, it's a hassle--I've got all those LPs and books stowed
in the thing...(yes, I own a milkcrate)
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: tolerance?????
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:40:14
EID:3dc0 20320d00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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Which one are you this time?
JS> How could the
JS> inquisitionist be Christian with his torture and pain?
RJ> Gee, I dunno. Maybe they had "faith" to guide them.
JS> Trust me, Bobby, like you, they had your pal Satan to guide them...
Where the hell's my check, dammit! If I'm doing his work,
I expect some compensation. I consider a bit of effortless
verbal abuse at you dogmatic jeezoids nothing more than pro
bono work. If Satan doesn't cut me a check, I don't work
for him.
... "N" could be a vowel if enough people just believed in it.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Select this!
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:43:28
EID:0ca3 20320d60
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Which one of you have I contacted this time?
RJ> How about we just start calling you a freethinker with a
RJ> decent streak observable without the use of an electron
RJ> microscope? Will you start acting like one? Or are you,
RJ> indeed, "selective about this"?
JS> Like Preston says, I'm selective about this...
Allrightee...so anyway, you're gonna be a thief if I call you
one? Why would you do that? Am I your god? Are you gonna
do something that your Yahweh COMMANDED you NOT to do, just
because some mere mortal gave you the suggestion? Why is that?
Is my corporeal presence _that_ much more powerful than the
stonecarved moral code you've allegedly sworn allegiance to,
that you'd override it for the sake of acting on some subcu-
taneous animal desire, because a heathen gave you sanction?
I'm touched. But nowhere near as much as your head seems to be.
... fundamentalism (n.): fund = give cash to; amentalism = brainlessness
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: So, why God?
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:49:05
EID:ed9a 20320e20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f2
RJ> BTB, did you get my netmail?
ML>
ML> Indeed I did. Now, Herr Jackson; Russkaya or Belly Ice, which
ML> for you?
Which one would you recommend? I'm not much of a vodka drinker,
but I do know what quality spirit is. If it's got a flavor
(lemongrass sounds interesting) that would be neat. Now, if
you're heading to that Armenian area and you find whatever their
version of ouzo or arak is (I understand they call the good stuff
"tiger's milk") and obtained some of that nectar, you would have
a friend till the end.
But whatever won't put you out--you're the expert. S'prise me.
... "Bother," panted Pooh as he atomic-wedgied Piglet's leather jockstrap.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: High Censuosity.
|Date: 18 Jan 96 01:55:58
EID:83f5 20320ee0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f3
ML> Strangely, it is also against the law in Norway; for fear of
ML> deleting all the Eriksons.
ML>
ML> They don't want to be accused of taking Leif off their census.
RJ> STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!!
ML>
ML> No, really. True story.
ML>
ML> In fact, the punishment for such oversight in Norway is so
ML> heinous that no one will count that country's inhabitants...
ML> In fact, they've taken leave of their census.
ML>
Aww, now you shouldn'a done that--'twas anticlimactic.
... "Remembrance, like Rembrandt, is dark but festive." --V. Nabokov
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:03:17
EID:b4c8 20321060
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f4
RJ> I've seen some nasty horseflies, usually when swimming.
ML>
ML> Horseflies swim?
They do for a terminal moment if I get a lucky retaliatory
swat in after a strenuous round of Marco Polo.
RJ> I don't think it's reached here...yet.
ML>
ML> I heard something about the recent spate of warm weather
ML> hereabouts stemming the tide of this particular strain. I need
ML> to talk to Doc Glodbreg and have him explain this little
ML> oddity.
Yeah, how 'bout this seasonably warm weather us Gulfdwellers
are experiencing. BWAAHAHA!!
... Of all the people I've ever met, you certainly are one of them.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: flood
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:14
EID:1b1b 20336b40
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LB> I just read the COOLEST thing -- and it finally explains to me where
LB> some bozos get that we aren't supposed to be stargazing!
I haven't heard about this--but I'm not surprised to hear it.
LB> It seems that the Tower of Babel (that is, Babylon) just may have been
LB> real. See, the Babylonians were really big on having to know where the
LB> stars and planets were located as a part of their religion.
LB> Apparently, the Tower of Babel may well have been a giant OBSERVATORY.
I b'lieve the Tower is based on the building of one of the
ziggurats. And as you see, a world of trouble ensued from
this architectural undertaking, and many were punished. So
I guess it's true: ziggurats are harmful to your health.
LB> they didn't learn much from them about it. Since most cultures,
LB> including Christiandom, explored astronomy primarily from a standpoint
LB> of how it affected their understanding of religious principles, it
Via astrology. I'm sure a lot of people don't realize the
reason why Copernicus was forced to postulate a heliocentric
theory was because he was getting incorrect astrological
predictions.
LB> stands to reason that the Jewish culture looks on astronomy itself with
LB> suspicion.
Fortunately, when European Jewry decided they had to hustle
to keep from going the way of many other persecuted races,
they got over a lot of those really stupid taboos which usually
coincided with the militant inculcation of ignorance.
... I'll judge you all and make damn sure that no one judges me.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: Women's Roles
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:12:51
EID:6b05 20321180
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f6
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LW>
LW> Yeah, kinda like that.
What? No quote, ergo I can't remember with which of my
brilliant statements you're resounding in agreement. ;-)
... "Bother," said Pooh as he dropped another rock in his crackpipe.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:13:58
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RJ> The Chinese used rockets to scare the hell out of their enemies
RJ> in battle. They flipped a coin with the Scottish, who lost
on
RJ> the turn and got stuck with the bagpipes.
GtP> The Scots won.
Of course, painting yourself blue and running stark naked
at your enemy helps. Imagine what would've happened
if bagpipes could fire rockets as well!
... If you're too tense, why not reduce it to one fifth?
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: HI
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:17
EID:66ca 20336b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f8
RJ> Effective communication will greatly improve your chances of
RJ> being taken seriously here.
AS> Err...so what you are saying here is, I need to be a cipher to be
AS> taken seriously. Ok. and NO, that was NOT a shot at you, just
Nah. The way to _become_ a cipher is to make your posts
difficult to read--because many people will simply ignore you.
I skip over posts that don't come across as very coherent,
regardless of said person's beliefs or lack of.
AS> frustration at the entire idea. I can only try. I have allowed this
AS> posting style to develop over the past year and can see that it will
be
AS> hard to change it. Interesting. When I write I do it free form too
AS> and then go back and correct later. I think it is sad that someone
As do most people who post. Since this forum (e-mail) is
devoted to communication via the written word, those who use
it tend to strive for clarity--especially in a topic as sensitive
and semantically arguable as this.
AS> would rather pick apart my punctuation than deal with the issue. I
Now, I _did_ make that point only at the very beginning of
your post, rather than sticking it in the middle of the dis-
cussion at hand. I made a point of separating it from the
argument, as it seemed a different issue. If you'd come here
blustering about how everyone needs "Jesus or go to hell",
I'd probably have just made that the sum of my reply.
AS> *will* on the other hand take your advice as a good idea. Thanks.
Okeydoke. It's just that some of us here have something of a
love affair with the printed word, and hate to see our mistress
violated.
RJ> Whoa! Hold the fort! A Christian who asks *questions*???
RJ> There goes the neighborhood.
AS> Scary eh? I do that on occasion. I have been taught, highly stressed where I worship> that we have responsibilities as
AS> Christians to think and decide for ourselves. My pastor encourages
us
AS> to go home and do our best to pick apart his arguments.
Hmm, interesting. What denomination are you?
RJ> I must warn you that if you continue asking tough questions,
RJ> you may find no recourse but to abandon your belief in the
RJ> construct you call God. The belief in deity, not to mention
AS> Not likely, but I will take the warning.
Never say never. Some of the most vocal nonbelievers here
were pretty fervent in their Christianity at one time.
AS> Heh, you are lucky, that I am still here.
AS> You guys *scare* me.
Well, there's a few choice nuggets of wisdom in that musty
book of yours--that thing about "reaping what you sow" is
pretty good. That's why you see some believers here get a
hard ride, while others get the privilege of honest dialogue.
People that ask more questions than give answers often fall
into that latter category. Stick around--we really _do_ like
believers who ask questions. Fundies are just what we use
for target practice, like claypigeons, but they do get boring
by virtue of all being so much alike, and intractably dense.
AS> illogical stuff you will hate> I *do* believe in God, and most of that
AS> belief has been emotional or performance oriented in the past. I am
on
Do you think emotions should govern human action?
AS> the quest of a lifetime. To find out the *why's* of my beliefs. I
AS> don't believe he created evil, I believe he allowed it as part of a
He allowed it, but how can you sidestep the fact that, in your
theology, as Creator of Everything, evil happened to be one of
those things? If he didn't create evil, it's something beyond
his sphere--which rules out the omniscient/omnipotent argument.
AS> plan I have limited knowledge of. I trust in the outcome of it, but
AS> can't hope to encompass the specifics. Except as he sees fit to
AS> reveal them to me.
Do you attribute every advance in your life to your god, or
do you think your own human ability can bring about actions
for good in your life? Do you think pride is a sin?
AS> Hurm, arrgh...I have a feeling I am in for a ride here.
Yup.
... Ven der putz shteht, ligt der sechel in drerd.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Aryan National Front
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:18
EID:e666 20336b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f9
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rj> Y'just sort of clap your hand over your face after a minute
rj> and say, "Uh, yeah. Well look, izzat the time? I've gotta
rj> get going now..."
FR> When I go to any kind of gathering, I always have my own
FR> safety in mind. (I live near Los Angeles.) I doubt I would
FR> ever find myself among a bunch of nuts by accident.
My experiences mainly came from hanging out in the wrong kinds
of bars on the wrong kinds of streets in college towns.
Chimes St. in Baton Rouge used to be a haven for teenage gutter-
punk skinheads who always managed to have fights on the sidewalk
outside the bar I frequented, where 50 feet away unreconstructed
hippies smoked dope on the back porch. By Sunday morning, there'd
be enough broken bottles on the sidewalk to look like Kristallnacht.
FR> First: I checked my archives for Aryan National Front. I found
FR> nothing. I will check the Ken McVey archives since they're far more
I hope I've got the name right. One of the shibboleths that
identify them is that they all wear a necklace (usually a leather
thong) with a Celtic-fashion cross and a Viking rune hanging
from it.
FR> Did you ever see a PBS special called, "Blood on the Face?"
Sure haven't. Saw one on HBO a few months ago, but I can't
remember the name offhand.
... Professional assassination...is the highest form of public service.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Sexist Asshole for Christ
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:47:55
EID:b3eb 203215e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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rj> Not sure. How do you mean? Stating the facts
rj> isn't bigotry. Making the prejudgment is.
FR> David's comment, as I recall, stated facts exactly yet you appeared
to
FR> accuse him of bigotry.
Well, he did say men are violent scum, or words to that
effect--and he used statistics to back his assertion. I
merely mentioned a lot of racists used stats to back up
their prejudice--I wasn't accusing him of sexism, just
using what I thought was a fallacious tactic.
... Amish pickup line: "Art thee up for some plowing?"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:52:47
EID:66c3 20321680
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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rj> What I mean about the social problem is that the anti-war
rj> crowd used to harass soldiers and spit on them because they
rj> went to Nam.
FR> I can't agree that that was a "social problem." I won't condone the
You couldn't drive a 20-penny nail up the collective anus of
America with a jackhammer because there was so much tension
between the generations. It was, by definition, a social
_problem_, just like the race issue is doing it now.
FR> Now I ___SUPPORT___ "human rights actions" in places like Bosnia
FR> except that I would rather like our government to clearly define their
FR> role.
rj> Agreed.
FR> I'm surprised. }:-}
Why?
rj> Actions without objectives are stupid;
FR> Such as "fighting Communism?"
Such as "we're gonna go into Hanoi with guns a-blazin' so
Communism won't be a trouble to Saigon", rather than "uh, OK,
so guys--don't make a stink above the 17th parallel, okay?
Just play jungle tag for a couple decades...oh, and if ya
wanna sneak into Cambodia or Laos, just don't tell anyone."
"Fighting Communism" was the action, not an objective.
rj> They'll let the GOP plunge the social fabric into the shitter
rj> again, and we'll have another Great Society to follow it.
FR> Let's protest and spit on them!
I got a thick loogie saved up for Exon and Helms!
... You might very well think that...but I couldn't _possibly_ comment.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 18 Jan 96 02:59:33
EID:66c3 20321760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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FR> I hate to see people die on _all_ sides (unless it's Christians
FR> murdering Christians and they don't drag their children into it, of
FR> course. I can think of no better way to _save_ lives by keeping
FR> warring Christanic fractions from unification.)
rj> The problem is, they lust to send their children off to
rj> slaughter. It makes them feel "godlike".
FR> Just like the Children's Crusade of 1212.
Or the Children's Crusade of 1337-1453, or the Children's
Crusade of 1618-1648, or the Children's Crusade of... :-I
... * Origin: MESSIAH! NETWORK: Killing People For Fun and Prophet!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Rice's obvious better education
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:02:16
EID:9f82 20321840
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rj> Nietzsche would've taken a cursory glance at the Nazi Party
rj> and pronounced them Untermenschen. Pure slave morality, under
rj> the guise of a master race.
FR> That's my opinion as well.
I'll bet the squareheads would've blanched (even whiter)
if ol' Fred was around in '33 to say "Hah! Let the Jews
run the banks and shops--they've got the Go Power to do it!"
... And malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to Man.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Cops Take Fred Rice Down! Twice!
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:04:44
EID:53a4 20321880
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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rj> What's this new woman who's heading the NRA like?
FR> Man I don't know and I don't care. Even before their "jack booted
FR> thugs" issue came out I was disillusioned and stopped paying dues for
FR> membership.
I used to hunt when I was a kid, about 15 years ago. That
was also when the NRA was one of the organizations all but
the most fringed-out lefties considered one of the best.
When I used to be a big poster on MENSA, I talked to a few
ex-NRA members who, as they were tarred by the fanatical
GOP shills, "gungrabbing socialists". They consider them-
selves unabashedly liberal...and are still gunowners.
FR> I _hate_ beer. And I don't eat meat.
Nobody's perfect. 8-}
rj> And I understand people freak out worse over a crazy with a
rj> straightrazor. Tricky things, but someone'll figure anyone
rj> crazy enough to brandish one of those probably knows how to
rj> use it--and draw a gallon of blood in the process.
FR> Makes sense.
And an improper grasp'll turn it in your hand and possibly
make it quite difficult to hold said implement of destruction,
what with all those tendons going plink-plink-plink.
... Thou shalt not eat green eggs and ham - obey thy God, I-am-that-I-am.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:14:32
EID:c9e0 203219c0
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FR> By the way: Do you think you might be able to make it to a HolySmoke
FR> convention sometime this August if it's held somewhere hear Dallas?
rj> That sounds like a plan. Not in competition w/DFest, though?
FR> Either the week before or the week after, with the focus on a week
FR> end.
I'd kinda like to make it to one or both this year. Can't
make any definite plans, even if I do have 8 months to mull
it over.
... fundamentalism (n.): fund = give cash to; amentalism = brainlessness
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian criminals
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:15:56
EID:1abb 203219e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe200
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rj> Why say things you don't mean?
FR> Speaking in absolutes draws more attention.
FR>
Yeah, BroJimmy's getting swamped in attention. It's not the
sort of attention I'd go for--people'd start archiving me.
... "Violence never solved anything." --Genghis Khan
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Sound-stealing
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:20:41
EID:2a99 20321a80
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FR> It's all a very difficult problem. The problem is made easier by
FR> employing parallel beams.
FR> KCET's show played hiss and pop with undifferenciated noise which
FR> could reasonably be identified as voices. After computer processing
FR> they played the result and isolated conversations could be heard.
How much does technology (and data storage/processing) like
that cost? I would assume at present, it's only affordable
for specific targets--not a general purpose snoop?
FR> Dogs are far cheaper as well and law-abideing people watching their
FR> luggage sniffed out by fuzzy dogs treat the near-invasion with
FR> affection when dogs are used, I think. Put a guy with unidentifiable
FR> electronic gagets sniffing the luggage and perhaps some animosity
FR> might be felt.
The ones I've seen look like hyper black labs. Still, even
someone with luggage that might've been laying out in a hotel
room where a killer pot party was held--the dog starts yapping
and straining at the leash...
... Troubled by kleptomania? Take something for it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Jesse Christ Jones
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:26:31
EID:0663 20321b40
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MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe202
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FR> Oh he'll run our maze, yeah, and wear our throrns and pretend he's
FR> worthy of his "salvation," but I think we get more out of his leg
FR> kicks then he gets out of kicking for us.
FR> I love inflamatory rhetoric.
If only there was an icon for ululation...
FR> Hey, man, we've been looking at the clown for a _long_
FR> time! He's just so _cute_ when he makes his outrageous claims and
He's been on this echo for what--about four years? He's one
of your only vets on the jeezoid side, isn't he?
FR> His attacks against anyone who participates in Thanksgiving and
FR> Christmass is just another piece of the overall picture he'll never
FR> live down.
He pulls this infantile crap for T-day as well? Hilarious!
It one of the more secular holidays we celebrate in this
country--it so happens a bunch of fashion-impaired bigoted
prigs started the thing, but the actual holiday (begun in
1863, I think) is simply that...thanks giving. What are you
thankful for about living in this country? Friends, family,
meal on the table? Spend time with 'em and have a big meal.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Greetings
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:32:47
EID:c4b8 20321c00
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RJ> Your filthy maggot (a creature that feeds on sores and decay)
RJ> called Jesus made SUFFERING a life goal for all who follow.
RJ> That is the sickest, most anti-human, anti-life thing ever
RJ> devised among our species. For that, Jesus is a bigger
RJ> monster than Hitler (who admired the sandal-clad hippie).
PS> So, Robert, what do you *really* think of Christianity?
I, for one, could do with less of its presence.
... "Mikron ap tou hlion metastathi." --Diogenes, to Alexander the Great
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:34:09
EID:053d 20321c40
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RJ> cavity in sight, yet again." I've been fortunate to have a
RJ> near-perfect set of choppers all my life, so the worst
RJ> problems with the semiannual visit is just getting sore gums
RJ> for the rest of the afternoon. Must be the fluoride when I was
RJ> a kid.
PS> I hate you. I really hate you. But then, it could be worse. I could
be
It's got some drawback. Because of so much fluoride in the
So. Cal. water system in the first four years of my life I've
got strong gnashers, but they're a bit discolored. I'll bet
I've got one dark-colored skeleton, though.
... Summer in the trees! It is time to strangle several bad poets.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:38:02
EID:4221 20321cc0
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RJ> mantra chanters. That's the kind of school I went to.
PS> Neat.
The year after I graduated, they got a new principle, and I
hear everyone got really tightassed.
RJ> Yeah, but the later excesses have been much more fulfilling.
PS> Of course. You're more fully aware of what you're doing and more
PS> easily able to enjoy it.
No, I just found a whole new arena of excesses to exploit.
RJ> My technique is simple: Stay up until exhaustion. Read
RJ> for a few hours in bed, if that'll help.
PS> If I did so, I would be getting maybe 2 hours of sleep a night, if
PS> that.
Same here--but once I make it past noon, I'm awake for the
rest of the day.
... "When in doubt, go for the dick joke." --Robin Williams
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Married, Will Cheat
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:40:32
EID:6767 20321d00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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RJ> You could've sent one in, too. The form was posted here
RJ> for everyone.
PS> FIDO has a habit of eating things around here.
I think Curry's got a copy of the ad.
RJ> BTW, F.U.H.C.U. is going to be offering another in its line
RJ> of services for the benefit of mankind soon. Stay tuned.
PS> You bet.
You should've seen it by now. I'm pretty sure you won't be
purchasing this product, though.
... Quaker threat: Pardon, brother--thou standst where I'm about to shoot.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: flood
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:28
EID:9b8f 20336b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe207
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RJ> God wanted, since the beginning of the creation of mankind,
RJ> for mankind to be with him. So, some Nimrod decides he's
PS> Then why bother with this earth thing and just put humanity in heaven?
Y'know...we've never heard a good one for this, have we? Sure,
they drag up the Free Will panacea (as if shouting "free will"
excuses their god from convoluted methods), but why bother?
He knows every decision beforehand, so why not just create only
the people he knew would be joining him--rather than playing out
this whole charade...I just had to stop here and reflect on
something--the entire ABSURDITY of what we talk about on this
echo. I mean, I can understand the month-long discussions on
ST:TNG about "OK, so what *is* Riker and Deanna's current rela-
tionship, because they still call each other Imzadi?" presuming
most of these people are discussing what purports to be fiction,
even if they get a little too caught up in it.
But we're talking about people who fall for some of this really
bizarre crap that would never make it out of the bullpen of
writers at Paramount for having too many gaps and convolutions
in plot--and have fallen for it for centuries! And we have to
constantly be reminded how many of them make decisions which
affect billions of lives every day.
RJ> father", yet everytime someone in the OT screws up, millions
RJ> and even billions of people from that moment on have to suffer
RJ> a series of environmental consequences which prevent them from
RJ> ever getting to have even a chance at "salvation"?
PS> I frequently wonder this sort of thing. None of the fundies has any
PS> answers, though.
My new question I ask the Christians (all stripes) now is
"What about the Preterite?" I encourage you and anyone else
to pose this question as well.
RJ> was his rationalization that God created all those people who
RJ> were doomed to hell, *because* Christians were meant to go out
RJ> and minister to them...
PS> Now *that* is some fucked-up thinking.
I don't think I had much of an answer after that--I was just
stunned at that pretzlean leap. But even more revealing is
that he couldn't offer me an explanation about why his god was
still benevolent. Of course, he still believed it to be, and
never gave it another thought--simply because his god gave *him*
the warmfuzzybunnies.
That's probably why most of the meddling Christians are of the
rightwing fascist stripe--they've learned to call their god
infinitely patient and merciful, even though he creates millions
of people who were always doomed to hell. It so happens that
"they've got theirs, screw everyone else." It's probably their
fault, anyway--yeah, that's it.
RJ> So God is an extortionist. What sort of loving god holds a
RJ> gun to some person's head and says "You gotta run through
RJ> such-and-such number of hoops for me or I blow this punk's
RJ> soul out" and then STILL pulls the trigger when you just can't
RJ> run through the whole course.
PS> Not any kind of loving god that I've ever been acquainted with. And
PS> try as we might to explain this POV to the fundies, they *still*
PS> say "But it's not really that way!"
I think what it really comes down to in questions like that
is peer pressure, plain and simple. When you give them a
question like that which they simply can't give you an answer,
ergo, themselves, they resort--even if subconsciously--to
thinking about what their pastor, their church friends, their
bible-studymates would say if they had these doubts. Some
would find it too much of a hassle to put up with either the
harassment or even shunning, so they just go along with what's
comfortable.
... Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:56:00
EID:d3c2 20321f00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe208
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CM> Should've tried Christian counselling, instead of those doing it for
CM> $$$.
PS> Ludicrous. Christians engaging in psychological counseling should
PS> leave their religion at the door when treating non-Christians.
RJ> ROFL!! Yeah, Christian counselors don't do it for money...
PS> I said that and he called me a liar. Remarkable, isn't it?
'Sokay...you're not a Real True Liar .
... But my assault rifle IS for sport! I use it to hunt BATF agents.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 18 Jan 96 03:57:25
EID:7fd6 20321f20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe209
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RJ> Because, as humans who can conceive abstractions in their
RJ> minds, they think that means something more than what it is.
PS> "There's got to be more! There's just gotta!"
RJ> "I just KNOW it! I can't prove it, but I can feeeeeelll it!"
LB>
LB> Hmmmm. Gentlemen, before you get too carried away with this, keep in
LB> mind that that is a pretty good distillation of the thought processes
LB> of every genius who's ever had a flash of inspiration, and then had
to
LB> go BACK and figure out how they arrived at their insight. If we
LB> confined ourselves solely to what we "know", we'd still be waiting for
LB> lightening to strike so we could have a bit of fire.
Or Newton's gravitational constant would still be giving us
buggy readings from his fudging to fit his "divine" answer.
(sorry, I just hadda bring that one up! )
LB> (No, I'm not trying to say every theological whim is a sign of
LB> "genius", but you seem to be throwing out the baby with the bathwater
LB> here.)
Would you like me to explain a phenomenological theory I
have as to what these "brainstorms" are, in neurological
terms? The neurophysics of "hunches"? As neuroscience
is still fairly uncharted, theories are mostly what we have
to go on, but most people who study the mechanics of brain
activity are quite content to rule out the divine in its
operation.
... I agreed to suspend disbelief, not hang it 'til it died!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: The dust of the Grand Bartoo
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:04:08
EID:7960 20322080
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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JH> It's a commonly repeated charge by his detractors, some of whom
JH> have actually visited him and his Mountain of Power. (Of course,
JH> some of those detractors are every bit as loopy as he is: like
JH> Monica and Deborah-Maya.)
Monica's a detractor? Well, her and the other one with too
many names--it's hard to tell what their Bartooist stance is
from day to day. They all need a nice, juicy syringe full
of Haldol.
... "God doesn't exist, and Mary is his mother." --James Joyce
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: ARK
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:06:50
EID:096f 203220c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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RJ> Whenever I go to Jackson Square in the Quarter, I
RJ> occasionally pass by the Cabildo (which is now a museum). I
RJ> don't know if it's still there, but there was a Civil War
RJ> sub in the front cloister--looked like it was built to hold
RJ> two men. Looked more like a flounder than anything.
JH> It's still there and it looks more like a death trap than anything
JH> else. I passed by it in November and noticed it, but also noticed
JH> that there is nothing posted in the area to indicate what the hell
JH> the thing is or when/where it was used.
Yeah, there used to be a plaque, but I don't know what happened
to it. I _think_ it was a Civil War sub, but it might be from
an even earlier war.
... "When in doubt, go for the dick joke." --Robin Williams
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: LES WILCOX
|Sub: new echo?
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:08:33
EID:b8de 20322100
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
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-> What does Cult Watch have to say about the Christian cult?
LW> Which "Christian cult" are you referencing? There's several.
RJ> Not a good track record for the One True Word , is it?
LW> Has nothing to do with a track record, its just the norm when
LW> men like Joseph Smith try to start something.
So you're saying that the first person to gum up the works
in your little machine was Joe Smith in the 1830s? So Martin
Luther or John Calvin (or Hus or Wyclif) didn't cause a blip?
Or Tertullian or Aquinas or Montanus or Augustine or...
...or the 1845 Baptist Convention, or the 1912 Missouri Synod,
or Charles Russell, or GEorge Fox or John Wesley or....
Do you get my point yet? Pick your One True Word--you've got
over 3,000 to choose from in your religion alone.
... I see the words "deep fat frying" in your future.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: HS WEB PAGE
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:13:59
EID:a2a9 203221a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe20d
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RS> If you want to try a safe sleeping aid, try melatonin. It's the
RS> hormone that your brain produces when your body senses night setting
RS> in. It causes you to sleep. When your body senses sunrise the amount
RS> of the hormone is reduced.
I've heard the stuff has been known to cause some unpleasant
side effects, e.g., death, in some people.
RS> three nights in a row at around 10am. I found myself rising between
RS> 4am and 6am without any problems. It was also the best sleep that I
RS> had gotten in a loooong time.
RS> You might want to check it out.
But it's worth a shot, I s'pose--after all, I'm young,
therefore immortal.
... "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: flood
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:15:49
EID:cd75 203221e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe20e
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RJ> What I could never get over, when talking with a fundy friend
RJ> of mine in college (he was in EEngr, if that don't beat all),
DW> Oddly enough, engineering is somewhat of a refuge for "scientific" (I
DW> use that word in its loosest possible sense) minded fundies.
DW> There's just enough mathematics and simple science involved that they
DW> can convince themselves they are experts on *real* science, yet they
DW> don't have to mess with that blasphemous evolution and big bang shit.
This is a truism. In fact, I had a biomed prof who used the
first day of all his lectures to _witness_ to students. Engin-
eering is just *crawling* with jeezoids--except for the ones
who read the Koran, but some of those guys like to party.
... Summer in the trees! It is time to strangle several bad poets.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: HS WEB PAGE
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:19:21
EID:92e7 20322260
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe20f
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RJ> There's s'posed to be something in ampule form now which is
RJ> like a lifesaver. When the "aura" comes, you pull out one
RJ> of the amps, grab some skin on your thigh and jab it in there.
RJ> Migrane goes away in 30 seconds.
DW> Sounds like the antidote for nerve gas, except you have to use two
DW> ampules and jab one in each thigh.
DW> How you're supposed to manage this while in the process of loosing all
DW> motor control is beyond me, though.
I think they mount them in the spacesuit--if they send a
soldier out to fight in a potential chemical warzone, they
give 'em the rubber suit. The amps are located in the thigh
region in patches. If the gas gets in, they slap down on the
patches and drive the needles in, forcing the antidote through.
... And may all your cowpies be filled with fungicide.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: 2 SO, WHY GOD?
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:22:08
EID:9aee 203222c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe210
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb282
RJ> ACK! Fortunately, I think my mscdex is still on mine.
DW> Make sure it is, along with any other drivers you might need.
Yup, they're all there.
RJ> Then there's these lags when I work on my novel (I've
RJ> got 530pp of material, so it *is* a big document)
RJ> --sometimes the damn thing just won't respond.
DW> Have you considered doing it by chapter?
Yeah, in the old draft I had all nine chapters in separate
files. I've got a less structured approach now, mainly due
to a lack of linear plot, plus I'm chopping up all the old
text and pasting it around. It works better that I can pull
the whole thing up in an outline and click from one section
to another, rather than opening a folder and searching for
a paragraph.
... Anananany: The inability to stop spelling 'banana' once you've started
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:26:13
EID:1bee 20322340
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe211
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb5a9
DW>> On the other hand, it is easier for people to completely ignore
DW>> any unpleasant points you happen to bring up. Some people, Jesse
DW>> and Mcabbe come to mind, have made an art form of avoiding
DW>> unpleasant concepts.
RJ> I just sat there last weekend, staring agape at the the screen
RJ> as I got that reply from Jesse Christ. He zapped about 140
to
RJ> 150 lines of text, leaving just the last four lines or so
RJ> where I was just haranguing him. Of course, he replied
RJ> to THAT, as if to play the poor victim. I mean, he
RJ> should've just ignored the entire post altogether.
DW> He's got to fill his "martyr points" quota *somewhere*.
He should've answered my post in entirety. He would've had
to hurt his widdle head severely trying to counter my points.
... * Origin: COPROLALLIA NETWORK--Talking up shit for Jesus! -=SCATNET=-
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:27:37
EID:bdb7 20322360
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe212
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb55a
DW> I don't even use cordless phones, much less phones that *never* send
DW> anything through a wire.
Hmm. Good thing I've still got mine wired to the wall. I
can continue receiving orders over the phone for my contraband
trafficking sideline.
... "Cross those tentacles! We only have five nails." Cthulhu crucified
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: White-lighter Religi
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:30:11
EID:66f8 203223c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe213
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbbc12
RJ> Isn't that the pisser? The kindest buds are always kept
RJ> by the biggest flakes.
DW> That's one of the reasons I eventually gave up on pot and all the
DW> other drugs I used to partake of. It scared me that the really good
DW> pot was always owned by real dipshits. There has to be a connection
DW> there somewhere.
Don't make me paranoid, dude.
DW> I was also worried that if I didn't stop, I'd start using the words
DW> "man" or "dude" in every other sentence.
Aw, shit.
RJ> The biggest fear would be going to fire up some black
RJ> hash and the head with the pipe hands it to me and says,
RJ> "Have you ever wondered what Scientology can do for
RJ> you?"
DW>
DW> "Hey, man! I've got some real primo shit here."
DW>
DW> "Damn. That's the best shit I've ever had!"
DW> "By the way, man, aren't you tired of working for other people, barely
DW> making enough to live on? Wouldn't you like to be your own boss and
DW> make as much money as you wanted, dude? Take a look at this Amway
DW> literature."
Talk about pissed off, but last week I went to what I assumed
to be a job interview, but it turned out to be one of those
pyramid scams--a company called Equinox which sells environ-
mentally conscious products. I sat through it because I wanted
to see if they'd slip and mention anything that'd clue me in on
what cult _really_ runs the operation. Ever heard of 'em?
... I.N.R.I. - I'm Not Really Ingestible
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Zach Doyle
|Sub: Hear Here
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:39:24
EID:dc64 203224e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe214
REPLY: 1:153/455.0 30fc5626
RJ> God wanted, since the beginning of the creation of mankind,
RJ> for mankind to be with him. So, some Nimrod decides he's
RJ> gonna build his little stairway to Heaven so he can be with
RJ> God--and what does the old Guy in the Sky do? Fucks up
RJ> everyone's language so badly that for the next 4300 years
RJ> people go killing each other and getting his Word wrong in
RJ> translation--and if the fundies are right, well, those mis-
RJ> interpretations are the cause of many millions of people
RJ> not getting to go to Heaven.
ZD> Hey good point, I like it :-)
Ask your next Christian, "What about the Preterite?"
... Avoid the Tate's Compass: "He who has a Tate's is lost!"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: GAY LOVE
|Date: 18 Jan 96 04:40:27
EID:adc9 20322500
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe215
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 a066fc37
RB> But why must you attribute everything compassionate to a god?
RJ> He just can't accept the intrinsic worth of the human animal,
RJ> I suppose. In his view, we can _only_ do evil.
MB> This is the part that has never made sense to me. Everything good
MB> that we do -- every altruistic impulse -- is supposed to be
MB> attributed to this god fellow. And every bad thing that we do --
MB> every negative, destructive impulse -- is supposed to be
MB> attributed to this Satan fellow. What nonsense! We are complex
Even worse are the ones who don't say it's Satan, but Man.
MB> actions do not work in my own best interests. And, conversely,
MB> when they remove my bad impulses from me and give them to their
MB> Satan, they are destroying my culpability in the matter, and
MB> freeing me from the responsibility that is mine for acting on
MB> those negative, destructive impulses, and giving a large part of
MB> the blame to an entity outside of myself.
And those who blame it on Man, or "the flesh" do even more
than just take away responsibility--they deliberately make
a person feel ashamed of existing. As Ayn Rand mentioned
in one of her novels, what's they easiest way to control
someone? Destroy their self-esteem. Make them feel guilt
for actions that are natural to them.
MB> Much of religion is just plain bad psychology.
Worse than bad. It's just plain destructive.
... "Diary Of A Gigolo", by O. Howie Fuchs--Available At Bookstores Soon!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:26:40
EID:2be2 20336b40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe216
R> structures by their dogma, often tend to encourage assholery,
R> but that doesn't mean a person won't be an asshole _without_
R> religion.
R>
As> Yeah, no shit. I fully agree here. It is just through my experience
As> that when talking about religion I tend to get jumped by the theists
As> but left alone, or even backed up by the atheists and darklighters.
I
Though in practice, this echo is largely dictated by the sample
population, so it appears as atheists and pagans vs. Christians.
As I understand, and I tend to be one of those who sees it this
way, the actual format comes down to believers vs. nonbelievers
in theory. The one-line description of the echo is "a religion
debunking forum".
As> try to not step on others beliefs unless they first attack mine. If
I
As> comment to anyone about something I believe to be illogical in their
As> beliefs, I dont ridicule them in doing so, I simply ask them to clear
As> up my misconception or to tell me why they believe what they do. I
As> tend not to practise assholery unless its first used on me.
I usually try to be fairly calm and honestly inquiring when I
question the pagans and "mainstream" Christians here about their
beliefs. Most (pagans) seem to come from a Christian tradition
and got seriously soured on it in a powerfully cathartic way.
By the same token, a lot of fanatical Christians seem to have
sordid pasts, often involving some sort of addiction. They
traded one addiction for another.
When I see pagans who abandon Christianity, I simply feel com-
pelled to ask why they simply traded one belief for another--
given that the religion they abandoned is one of the most militant
in inculcating belief. To abandon that intense a religion to me,
seems a major step away from the whole concept of needing belief.
That's why _I_ continue to ask about it--and I have to state,
I get some pretty patronizing answers, or non-answers. One thing
I can say about Christians is that most have an answer for why
they do what they do, believe what they believe. I sometimes get
the feeling pagans don't think the rules of cross-examination
apply to them just because they don't force their views down
other people's throats. All I want are just some straightforward
answers as to "why do you believe; why do you worship?" If it's
some banal reason like "it's fun", then I wonder why the need to
take it so seriously.
... Avoid the Tate's Compass: "He who has a Tate's is lost!"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Offensive ASCII
|Date: 18 Jan 96 05:05:30
EID:1650 203228a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe217
SQ> On 3 Jan 96 03:21am, Robert Jackson wrote to Shelby Sherman:
SS> |\/\/\/| oooooo
SS> | | ___________________ / \
SS> | (o)(o) / Don't have a cow, | / |
SS> c _) / Mom! She lost her / ( | |
SS> | ,___| _/ pacifier! / | | |
SS> |___/ ------------------- | | |
RJ> I think I can see the quick exodus of at least 5% of the
RJ> echo from this alone. Got one of "Olef"?
SQ> This one was definitely the winner. Strange that I haven't heard back
SQ> from the node who decided to send me junkmail, receiving THIS as a
SQ> bounced message.
I'm surprised I haven't seen any comments from posters on
this echo--at the very least Hardy reposting it to ALL
reminding us that Shelby's "one of ours".
... I'm patient with stupidity but not with those proud of it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 18 Jan 96 19:12:23
EID:50e1 20329980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe218
SB> demand "B-" was until I showed-up at the Red Cross one day and they
JB> Second rarest blood type there is. My grandfather is really in trouble
JB> if he needs blood. He's AB-. Not a lot of that around.
He's lucky--AB is a universal recipient. O is universal donor.
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Alan Hess
|Sub: Why
|Date: 18 Jan 96 19:42:34
EID:9043 20329d40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe219
AH> Whilst masticating on , Gwenny the Pooh (1:128/203.2)
AH> wrote to Alan Hess:
GtP> Valhalla or Niflhel -- Which for you?
AH> Mt. Olympus.
Hades or Elysium -- Which for you?
... "Cross those tentacles! We only have five nails." Cthulhu crucified
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 18 Jan 96 20:54:30
EID:e450 2032a6c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21a
REPLY: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 061474ae
FR> Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get through
FR> here declined over the years? It seemed to me that at one time some
I've only got two years to judge from, but I'd say it's about
the same.
FR> fundies could at least formulate a minimal argument to justify their
FR> occultism. Now it seems that they're no longer even willing to try.
It's not just the fundies either. I've recently been asking
some of the pagan believers on the echo that sort of question,
but I can't get an answer without it being a non-answer.
... and the dog walks up to the tree...a-a-and...he...PIDDLES ON IT!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: ----
|Date: 18 Jan 96 21:26:07
EID:9c55 2032ab40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21b
DC> It reminds me of the time I was out camping. I caught a cold
DC> and didn't bring any Kleenex. Yep, I used a leaf to off my sinus.
ML>
ML> Here's a news update (Robert Jackson, you listening?). In Oslo,
ML> they decided that they must know exactly how many folks are
ML> inhabiting the ground between the borders. To facilitate this,
ML> an oak in the city square had all it's shoots counted. Now,
ML> each citizen takes one, the remainder counted; subtract the two
ML> values and voila: the number of people living in Norway.
ML>
ML> Seems everyone must take a leaf for their census.
ML>
Didn't they recently have an uproar over removing the visage
of the famed actress Ullman from their smallest decimal fractional
currency--taking Liv off their cents, yes?
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: THE COMMANDERS DYING
|Date: 18 Jan 96 21:42:55
EID:4376 2032ad40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21c
JB> Bartoo's last paragraph said, in essence, 'now that I no longer have
JB> so much work to do for the echo, I can admit to the rest of you who
I
JB> really am...god.' He really came out and said it with no hemming,
JB> hawing or beating around the bush.
Oh no! Do you know what this means to me? It means the
endtimes are near, and we of the Blue Council must return
to Idiot^10_UFO and reveal our identities as upper operative
Nords in the Council.
What say? Y'think those goldfishbrains have forgotten who
we are by now? They still know and fear the Council, but
no doubt forgot who told them about it. It'd be the biggest
kick if all these new people showed up on the echo to discuss
what we, as members of the Blue Council, intend for the world
as of the year...1997. You and JJ up for some heinous misdeedery?
... Troubled by kleptomania? Take something for it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Annette Spence
|Sub: Perhaps here's the reason.
|Date: 18 Jan 96 21:56:53
EID:5140 2032af00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21d
ML> AS> since *I* believe he exists this is not a problem for me...
ML>
ML> It should be.
AS> Weeeel, I am not trying to convince you of anything so I am not going
AS> to worry about *this* particular disagreement.
That's the bulk of topic on this echo.
AS> I guess I look upon it more as learning in greater depth about
AS> somthing I am already familiar with. Like being married, I believe
AS> there is always something new we can learn about a spouse, and the same
AS> thing holds true for my Lord.
Some people on this echo found out in time that their ex-spouses
were twisted, sadistic people who like to make them suffer.
They got out of those marriages, however.
... I wish I were in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 18 Jan 96 22:08:45
EID:7ff2 2032b100
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21e
REPLY: 1:152/67.0 0fc83ba3
FR> Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get through
FR> here declined over the years? It seemed to me that at one time
FR> some fundies could at least formulate a minimal argument to justify
FR> their occultism. Now it seems that they're no longer even willing
FR> to try.
RS> I tend to agree.
RS> I yearn for the days when one could have something close to a debate
RS> with people that were somewhat farther away from being clowns.
You mean like Trent "Dented" and Calabrese? I've been here
for a little under 2 years, but I haven't seen much decline
in quality. What I _have_ seen is just a skew of the bell-
curve because of population--it's just there's more of 'em.
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: PERCEPTION OF THE SPI
|Date: 18 Jan 96 22:23:12
EID:331c 2032b2e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe21f
REPLY: 1:280/9 089537f0
AS> Makes sense. OTOH, sometimes I wonder if those who HAVE social lives
use
AS> this as a catharsis...to twit others, flame others, to call people
stupid
AS> that they would never dare in real life. I've noticed that the uh,
more
AS> reactionary and flammatory people here tend to have a wife or husband,
or
AS> a relationship of some sort, and children.
Heh-heh..not me. I'm a sullen loner who usually keeps to
myself. I am the angel of death...the time of purification
is at hand. I am the angel of death...the time of purifi-
cation is at hand.
RB> There IS a bit of hostility toward theism by non-theists.
RB> We, for the most part, quietly exist in a theistic culture
RB> while privately thinking "this is bullshit". It isn't too
Zackly!
RB> socially savvy to be a blatant atheist. You know, that
RB> immoral, communist, godless heathen stuff. Not the sort of
RB> thing that endears you to employers or mothers-in-law.
Or, among more "enlightened" and "tolerant" believers, it
sort of "cute" or "novel", like having a friend who's gay
or black.
RB> This forum provides an opportunity to be candid while
RB> indulging in a little 'spleen venting' at the same time.
Yup. You just can't walk on eggshells when you try to debate
some topics. Especially when dealing with gits.
... Summer in the trees! It is time to strangle several bad poets.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: More about Texas AFA
|Date: 18 Jan 96 22:34:43
EID:8d03 2032b440
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe220
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fb3d89
SB> Wyatt Roberts, head of the Texas chapter of the
SB> American Family Association, told Reuters Friday that he
SB> sent out letters to advertisers in the Texas Triangle warning
SB> that their names would be read on his weekly radio show.
DW>
DW> "If'n you'uns don't pull your advertiz... adverttti... adverg... ads
DW> from this here pre-verted newspaper, we're a-gonna give you free air
DW> time on our radio show!"
DW> "That'll learn them silly faggots!"
DW> What a bunch of morons.
Would you like to think about *this* as a hilarious situation?
Ponder, if you will:
All the businesses just say "fuck 'em" to the fundy nazis, and
just continue to sponsor whatever programs will bring in their
money (obviously an "anti-family" show like "Roseanne", let's
say, has plenty of viewers, being a Top 10 show and all--so
a few fundies aren't going to hurt sales all that much). So
anyway, a few busineses decide they're going to call themselves
"Christian" businesses--the kind that won't advertise on any TV
or radio program which promotes devil worship, soshulism, baby-
killin' and free speech. The fundies flock to these companies
in droves, since they're the only "righteous" places to buy
whatever products they need.
How much you wanna bet they'll consistently turn out the
shittiest merchandise on the market, seeing as how they've got
their customers over a barrel?
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:02:45
EID:d829 2032b840
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe221
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fb3534
PS>> Demerol is some fun stuff. I know what I'm talking about--they
DW> After I took one of those things, Wintersnight could have had Hulk
DW> Hogan brain me with that spider of hers, and I'dve laughed in his
DW> face.
DW> About the pain or anydamnthing else. Pretty nice, IMO. :)
Gee, now all I have to do is figure out a way of temporarily
maiming myself to try it...
... Excuse me, I gotta go kill a Care Bear.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:25:32
EID:6f07 2032bb20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe222
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30fc1b4f
KW> What the hell were you expecting, Maria? For them to claim they were
KW> flooded with Kool-Aid? The flood stories are similar because they
KW> were describing the same type of event--i.e., the big bad water took
AM> You believe tarot cards divine the future. Whats so
AM> unbelievable about a world wide deluge. 70 percent of the earth is
AM> still covered with water. Melt the ice caps and it goes up another 15
AM> +/-.
Which leaves everything with an altitude above 250 feet high
and dry still. Where does that extra water come from to raise
the water level another 28,800 feet?
... You're like an idiot savant, only without the savant part.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:28:59
EID:8b16 2032bb80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe223
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fb99ee
DH>> Kris is obviously dumber than a box of rocks, but at least she
DH>> had
PS> "She"?
DW> I've never seen a guy spell his name that way, but have known several
DW> women that did.
Tell that to Kris Kristofferson. I've also met at least
two guys who've spelt it that way.
... Weird's way is hard. --old Viking saying
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:35:27
EID:21c1 2032bc60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe224
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb617
SQ> tell me that there's a sex shop in every German airport in which
SQ> they've landed.
DW> "So you wanna bugger a sheep? Sure, go right ahead. Just don't wear
DW> a swastika while doing it."
I thought my description was more vivid.
... Professional assassination...is the highest form of public service.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:37:29
EID:42dd 2032bca0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe225
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbb899
CM> I would raise my children to know of the Lord.
DW> I didn't ask you how you'd raise your children, did I? I asked you,
DW> "If you had the ability, would you torture your children for
DW> eternity?"
I've got a new question for you to add to your list. "What
about the Preterite?"
... "Hell is...other people." --Jean-Paul Sartre
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: A LITTLE HELP FROM SP
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:44:13
EID:d829 2032bd80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe226
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fbca39
DW> There are many more grandmotherly types than Cindy Crawfords out
DW> there. All the dentist would do is hire another one (maybe two or
DW> three, so he'd have backups the next time someone decided to off one
DW> of the crones).
DW> So in addition to being in jail for crone-killing (a misdemeanor at
DW> best), I'd *still* have my teeth cleaned by a crone.
No, you'd be getting your teeth cleaned with a rusty nail by
a 400-lb bull named "Tiny" who, when through with you, tells
you under threat of disembowelment by shiv, "you betta NOT
spit, boyah!"
... Jesus is coming. Do you spit or swallow?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Samhain old shit/4
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:49:50
EID:f98c 2032be20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe227
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org f915400c
RJ> Why the need for separate ceremonies/rituals? Don't the
KW> Croning has to do with menopause, again a subject that most men do not
KW> have to deal with. Queening is the fully public rite for that time
of
KW> a woman's life.
Rather than address the same issues again, I'll refer you to
the reply I sent Gwenny in her reply to mine above. It's
from about four days ago by the time you get this.
... I am NOT a cynic - I just remember last time too well!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:51:21
EID:c551 2032be60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe228
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 805a5c4a
DC>Funny thing is, he makes me actually miss the messages that
DC>Capt Fuck used to send. At least the Capt made sense, sort of!
KW> At least Capt. Fuck and the good Doctor didn't go into the 'I was
KW> lost' bugfix that Xtian is off on.
It's just that Xian Miller doesn't pull his act on another
echo which gave him away.
... Don't do anything stupid. Place the comma where you find appropriate.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:02:34
EID:21c1 20330040
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22a
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fc26a8
JH> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent history
JH> being assassinated. But I'd guess that it's a safe bet that a few
DW> I seem to remember one being assassinated sometime in the last twenty
DW> years (the reason for the popemobile).
Assassination attempt on the current Guy With The Pointy Hat
back in 1981.
DW> I'm suprised Sinead O'Connor hasn't been assassinated, though.
Gotta admit, I got a bit of a chuckle out of her stunt on
SNL. Until almost a day later, I had forgotten that there
are a lot of people in the world who think that was a big
deal--it's just standard fare for a 'Smoker. Next thing you
know, Prewett's inviting her to his place for tea and Marlboros.
... "Dear Diary: My teen angst has a body count."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:15:31
EID:e9e8 203301e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22b
ML> ... Definite integral of 1/x evaluated from 1 to cabin: Log Cabin.
+ C = houseboat
... Excuse me, I gotta go kill a Care Bear.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Blow jobs to go! Fellate minions!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:18:13
EID:93e3 20330240
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22c
> ... So, when exactly did you make the free will decision
> to be heterosexual?
SB>
SB> ExCUSE me?
ML>
ML> Just a 180 degree tagline, Scot.
And if it was referent to the "other" orientation, it would
be a 90-degree tagline, wouldn't it?
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: JEROMY ALEXANDER
|Sub: hey, i'm new
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:21:49
EID:684c 203302a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22d
JA> i'm a Christian...But i dont believe in all the Christian idea's...
JA> I do believe in the Big Bang Theories...
JA> But I also believe that God created the universe...
Would you be willing to accept the concept of a Universe
that didn't need a god to create it?
JA> I think that religions vary from person to person..and that no two
JA> people have the same religion, beliefs..ect.ect.
I'll take "The Bleedin' Obvious for $200, Alex..."
JA> Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even the GREEN
JA> HERB I have given to you.
JA> I interpet that as God saying its ok to smoke weed...
JA> what y'all think of that...
Whatever gets you through the night, it's all right. |-~7
... No stems, no seeds that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is--badass weed!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: True Christians
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:32:45
EID:a60c 20330400
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22e
JJ> Mat 23:33: "You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape
JJ> being sentenced to hell?"
SQ>I cannot help but be touched that you would identify me with a snake.
SQ> Little bit of Freudian envy on your part, mayhaps? Unlike the
KW> Steve, as snakes symbolize both wisdom, and rebirth, I should think
that
KW> you would be flattered.
SQ> Oh, I was!
REBIRTH??? B-but...that sounds like "born again"!
... Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: news? on a honeymoon
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:33:37
EID:1294 20330420
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe22f
SQ> We -might- be passing through your area 'round President's Day, either
SQ> heading towards or returning from Mississippi (Bed and breakfast time
SQ> again :). I'll keep you and Archie Bishop advised. :)
SQ> We'll probably be headed that way around 2/20. I'll let you know. :)
Have you got my vox #?
... I am NOT a cynic - I just remember last time too well!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Fight THIS evil!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:43:07
EID:2b25 20330560
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe230
FR> I wonder how many of these fundies would be willing to attend a
FR> gathering of 'Smokers in Texass.
SQ> We should do it in a wooded area of Arkansas, where some of them would
SQ> probably feel much more at home (Then again, I LIKE it there, and
SQ> can't conceive of the Fundies trampling all over my vacation spot.).
Hey, here's an idea--hold the gathering in New Orleans!
Yeah, that's the ticket...
Seriously, though--it'd be closer for some of the more
easterly-located 'Smokers (Tennessee, Alabama, Florida)
who might have an interest in some elbowrubbing. And,
after all...it's New Orleans. Heathen's Paradise. Sin
City South. The Big Easy. You get the idea.
... bring the mountain to Mohammed
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Cartoon in USA Today
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:58:33
EID:44a0 20330740
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe231
DR> a protest against domestic violence, with O.J. as the posterboy.
DR> I'll let you know when the next one is held.
SQ> I'll have to attach in mail for you the OJ Simpson Windows icons I
SQ> just downloaded today.
Whazis?
... Creationism: cretinism augmented by an Alpha (a) and an Omega (o)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Pope-A-Question
|Date: 19 Jan 96 00:59:00
EID:5c78 20330760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe232
JH> I recently heard a catholic on the radio claim that there were
JH> two black popes. They gave the names, but I missed the names other
JH> than that they sounded "kinda Latin".
SQ> You might aim this one at Sean McCullough...I think he shot this one
SQ> out of the sky a while back. I've seen the rare reference to an
SQ> antipope as a "black pope," but there were far more than two antipopes.
Hell, there were two simultaneous antipopes in 1409 alone!
... "16 Hawaiian Love Songs", by Kamanawanaleha--Available Now On CD!!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: High Censuosity.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:04:12
EID:e3e5 20330880
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe233
ML> In fact, the punishment for such oversight in Norway is so
ML> heinous that no one will count that country's inhabitants...
ML> In fact, they've taken leave of their census.
SQ> That's a Swede story...have you Finnished?
SQ> I know...your reply will be "Norway!"
He's reached the last Lapp, he's nearing the Finnish line.
... "Bother," panted Pooh as he atomic-wedgied Piglet's leather jockstrap.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Josh Talbot
|Sub: Women's Roles
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:11:00
EID:335f 20330960
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe235
REPLY: 1:260/801.0 30fc7796
LW> that noise!! I've been much happier since I chose to follow paganism
LW> and become my own priestess.
RJ> But, why _religion_ still?
JT> Why not?
RJ> Do you really expect me to dignify that?
JT> Yes, why not religion? As long as people do not try to force
JT> their beliefs on other people... why not?
"I like spitting in people's food before I serve it to them.
It doesn't hurt them, but I get a chuckle out of it, and no
one else is the wiser."
The point is, it's a beLIEf, and even though a belief may
not urge preaching conversion, it is still a beLIEf. Beliefs
(I'll quit the word game) still have ways of manifesting in
public ways that can cause problems. Belief encourages
sloppy thinking. Believers always go on about how they get the
warm fuzzies from the "childlike wonder" of things--which more
often than not come from propter hoc fallacies. My own childhood
wasn't "wonderful"--I just got a kick out of taking things apart
to see how they worked, rather than be amazed at the magic box
that made the cool sounds. I think belief encourages naivete,
which, IMO, isn't necessarily a good thing--I just ponder why
other people who slam xians for that trait who also believe
never seem to admit it's no different.
... "Bother," panted Pooh as he atomic-wedgied Piglet's leather jockstrap.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: "Pius" my ass!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:27:05
EID:f3ff 20336b60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe236
RJ> Ergo, new ideas are indicative of the secular world creeping
in
RJ> and dictating what the spiritual kingdom should do.
SQ> I just don't understand how someone like, say, Pius X can be so
SQ> deadset against "modernism," or how guys like Pius IX can be such
SQ> tyrants, yet they're considered to have been "nice guys" worthy of
SQ> sainthood.
"We're in the business of saving souls, Father, not saving
lives." --(Charles Durning to Donald Sutherland in "The Rosary
Murders") Ever seen it? Great movie. Check it out if you
haven't. If you really want to raise some bile for the Catholic
Church, this is one of those to see.
SQ> I still think Pius X looks like Bill Shatner.
Kiss! My...ringwhenyou...SAY, that!
... Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Flaming asshole
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:25:54
EID:991f 20330b20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe237
REPLY: 1:135/71.0 23eb9ed0
RJ> faithmongering, truthdodging coward. Run back to your little
RJ> hole in the cupboard and don't come out again until they
RJ> turn off the light.
JJ> I gather, then, that contrary to your original taunt, you are
JJ> incapable or unwilling (or both) to show me an in-depth logical
JJ> argument.
Why should I risk the carpal-tunnel trouble? You'll just
zap a few hundred lines of it to pick out the most trivial
point for reply.
... "N" could be a vowel if enough people just believed in it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:27:54
EID:f8df 20330b60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe238
RJ> Fortunetelling is no different than any fundy who has a
RJ> problem and just reads Bible verses at random until finding one
RJ> that "offers a solution".
AS> Well, not necessarily. One can find solutions in odd places---reading
AS> Shakespeare at random, for instance, might suggest a solution. If you
AS> mean just opening the book and taking ONE scripture as the answer,
AS> yeah, I would agree (although Augustine wouldn't). But looking through
AS> it at random to see what it might suggest is not totally off-the-wall.
AS> It might be a good way to break out of your old way of thinking...what
AS> De Bono calls "lateral thinking".
When I was a nerdy punk teenager still under the impression I
was supposed to believe in something, I used to do runecasting
for my friends and myself. It's just a crutch. Sure, it'll
make you think it actually "steers you to an answer"--if, of
course, you suspend your disbelief. But all the same, it's a
crutch, it shortcuts using the old graymatter to pace out the
analytical steps to a personal situation.
And if a person uses a crutch when they don't need it, things
begin to atrophy. Also, losing the ability (or desire) to
slog out a problem "the hard way" can come back on you and give
you a rude bite in the ass when it becomes necessary. Keeping
the brainjuice flowing, honing your thought processes, you can
learn how to throw a twist on a static pattern to jog it out
of the rut--no magic, blind finger on a page, or falling sticks
required. Sometimes a long, slow walk helps.
RJ> I supported the Reagan Revolution for about 6 years--until
RJ> that nasty little bit of info fell out. That was pretty
RJ> much what started my political evolution away from the GOP.
AS> One can hardly blame you.
1990 was the final straw. "Know new taxes" [sic] sorta did
it in for me for good.
... "Never turn down an opportunity to piss." -- Gen. George Patton
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 19 Jan 96 01:44:24
EID:2208 20330d80
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe239
RJ> was a religion founded on Platonic philosophy, one which
RJ> attempts to deny or mortify the body at the sake of the
RJ> "soul".
AS> the last century or so that humanism has split into secular and
AS> theistic humanism, and the only significant difference is that a
AS> theistic humanist asserts that there is a greater thing than the human
AS> being. I always felt at home with humanism...but in its true sense.
I tend to think more in terms of social contracts. Even worse,
is I've got this really nasty chivalry disease. I'm going to
have to quit a friend of mine because of it.
AS> Hedonism is fine for a while, but ultimately shallow. If you have ever
AS> read Anton LaVey's SATANIC BIBLE, that is basically all it is, a paen
AS> to hedonism and doing as you want, as long as you don't overtly hurt
I tried looking it over but like JJ, I got bored silly in
record time. Of the "Satanists" I've talked to or read posts
from, usually they're teenagers who've just gotten recently
zealous over something that makes them feel good, and gives them
sanction to not feel guilty for things their parents tell them
they shouldn't do. But, teenagers, being what they are, i.e.,
young and not fully-formed ideologically, still haven't learned
about delayed gratification--actually, that's more endemic to
people my age and younger. The whole culture has gone crazy
over instant gratification, and it's really fucking up the social
contract bigtime. The ones who are "enlightened" enough to
understand personal responsibility are still usually too hotblooded
to think about which of their desires should be subjugated to
avoid bigger problems than they'd count on.
On the subject of said friend above (a Christian, so he claims)
is currently having an affair with the wife of a friend of ours
(the couple are pagans, btw). They think they're "in love".
About as long as we've all hung out together, he's made passes
at her, in front of the husband--it was cute for awhile, it got
unsettling and annoying after awhile, and now it's gone to the
rotten conclusion which I seriously didn't think would happen,
because I've always thought you don't do things like that to
friends. He betrayed his friend. I can't be friends with some-
one like that, so now (I haven't told him yet--that's how recently
I found out) he's lost me as a friend as well. It's rippling
outward among our larger circle of friends as the gossip spreads,
so it'll wind up affecting a couple dozen people before it's out
in the open. I don't know why he thinks she's worth it--worth
all the trouble that it's going to create. There's just no
forward thinking anymore. The same might be said for corporate
America's downsizing trend and I'm going to stop this right now
because I see a big rant building.
AS> anyone else. I think the Christian ideal (often, unfortunately,
AS> neglected in practice) of everyone living for everyone ELSE's
AS> happiness is a wonderful solution. It takes the focus off "me" which
AS> is the essense of hedonism, and concentrates on others. It assures one
I find a *serious* problem with altruism, because it does deny
the self. Self-interest is a biological phenomenon, and when
a philosophy tries to negate or deny that, it usually causes
more problems than it purports to help.
AS> that one is worth something to someone else, if they take the time to
AS> aid you. *Sigh* Wasn't it Gandhi who said he could embrace
AS> Christianity except he has known so many Christians? If we could live
AS> our ideals more, very few would complain about us, even on this echo.
It's quite apparent there is no such thing as "Christian ideals",
because every True Believer who annoys the shit out of us
seems to be deadset on their scriptural correctness, as they
argue with their correligionists (or try to take their differences
out of the echo because they think it'll give the impression
Christians have a united front).
... "I'll be with you in a moment, I'm just sealing some fates."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: QUESTIONING ALL BUT
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:17:28
EID:4f08 20331220
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23a
RJ> Swift was one of the best satirists of the Anglophone world.
RJ> Is it any wonder he and John Gay had a rivalry about which
RJ> of them was the most obnoxious man in England? (Yeah, I know,
RJ> Swift was Irish, but England was still the "land of letters")
AS> After reading A MODEST PROPOSAL, I would say Swift wins hands down.
Yeah, he's probably the best satirist in English letters until
Twain.
AS> But of course, I've never read much of Gay.
AS> (Which doesn't mean I'm anti-Gay, of course...)
"Not that there's anything wrong with that..." (Seinfeld)
... Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: judy tenuta
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:19:12
EID:5efb 20331260
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23b
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 89075E4B
RJ> Anyway, Judy Tenuta is a strange amalgam: an
RJ> accordion-playing Jewish princess dressed like Courtney Love,
RJ> with a voice like a screech-owl, and a disjointed monologue
RJ> that ranges from the freakish twists of the mundane a la Emo
RJ> Phillips to the raving performance art of early Steve Martin.
MH> You do know that she is Mrs. Emo Philips, don't you?
No kidding? That sounds like a scary breakfast table.
... Clip-clop..clip-clop....Clip-clop... (Amish drive-by shunning)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Rev. Winter--a physical description
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:20:45
EID:db00 20331280
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23c
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf836
RJ> Hello, 'Smokers,
GR> What the hell is this? Twelve Steps?
"...and I'm a theist."
GR> In unison from the 'Smokers, "Hello, Robert."
RJ> esteemed "Rev" looks like some sort of cross between Rasputin
RJ> and Charles Manson. Guy in his 40s, long, stringy hair, and a
RJ> wispy beard that hangs down almost to his waist. As the source
RJ> who filmed the house said, "I would've thought he was a
RJ> homeless guy if he wasn't standing in the door of the house."
GR> That wouldn't surprize me. He has the hermit mentallity. Sort of a
The hermit drives a BMW.
GR> mentally retarded Forrest Gump modeming across America for Jesus. Most
GR> of the rabid fundoids are pretty pathetic people in person. Either
GR> that or they are raving paranoids and everyone is out to get them.
They were such strange people, the ones I saw when I went to
college in the buckle of the Babble Belt. It was like looking
at a mayonnaise Norman Rockwell painting. The postures were
stiff--they had unsettling body language, even when they were
just hanging out at the union with their friends. They took a
table like they owned the place, but it was like watching a
boardmeeting instead of goofy collegekids kicking back.
... * Origin: COPROLALLIA NETWORK--Talking up shit for Jesus! -=SCATNET=-
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Good News from F.U.H.C.U.!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:27:39
EID:c73a 20331360
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23d
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf837
RJ> Greetings, Consumers:
GR> Robert,
GR> Cherry post. Thankfully I had up my patented Fundie-Guard which saved
GR> my keyboard and monitor from my favorite beverage.
T'anx. I hope Curry's around somewhere to web that sucker up,
along with FUHCU's "Application for One True Godhood ".
... Fee fi fo fum! I smell the stink of Christendom!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: VIRGIN
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:29:13
EID:816c 203313a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23e
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 60b51abd
MG> Jim Watson is actually a twit who couldn't even do the simplest
MG> biochemistry experiments. He actually says that he tried to warm up
MG> some diethyl ether on a bunsen burner once. Francis Crick as a Wierdo
MG> on the level of Walter Bartoo. The tow of them stole every bit of
MG> data that they had to put the structure together and still couldn't
do
MG> it. Had to go get help to piece together their stolen data.
Didn't they win the Nobel for it, though? How did they survive
the peer gauntlet--are they Marxists? That seems to be the
kicker for winning Nobel.
... "Bother", said Pooh, as his mead wort boiled over.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: The winner is....
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:31:04
EID:84cc 203313e0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe23f
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 60b5200a
RJ> Funny how when I point out a cryptofascist thug to the
RJ> another one steps out to declare himself, id'nit?
MG> The ones that show up and don't immediatly let us know what side fo
MG> the theological fence they're on are immediatly suspected of being
MG> closet fundies.
MG> Because they are.
"I have a list here...in my pocket..." ;-)
... "I'll be with you in a moment, I'm just sealing some fates."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Waco jury foreman coments
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:34:17
EID:69cb 20331440
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe240
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 60b55e52
RJ> Yeeow! What sort of transducer(s) do you use for *that*
RJ> of sensitivity? BTW, how much would one human DNA
RJ> weigh, on average?
MG> A "molecule" of DNA does not exist, as it is a polymer tht is as long
MG> as needed. So there is no exact molecular weight or anything of that
Yeah, I sorta remembered it being like a polymer like rubber,
what with variable chain lengths. Simple animals have shorter
chains, and bigger ones, well you get the idea. I figured a
DNA molecule from a human (or primate for that matter) had to
be pretty sizable. If I remember correctly, the chromosomes
are simply just DNA molecules, helices which coil up and curl
around to form those X-shaped forms? It's been about 6 years
since I've done the reading.
MG> gives the number of base pairs. but if you figure about 6.6 X 10^-10
MG> moles per pgram, you cvna figure it out. Gotta be something like 2.5
MG> logs or so so that makes it about 100X at minimum. so 10 pgrams is
MG> about 1000 pmoles or 1 micromole. That, in my line of work is a
MG> shitload.
Do you use a SEM or STEM to peek at the things?
... "Wouldst thou be perfect, do not yelp about God." (Johannes Eckhart)
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Johnston
|Sub: Redacted Stories
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:50:40
EID:75fe 20331640
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe242
-> DJ> You invited a total stranger to church? What were you thinking?
-> David,
-> I'll invite anyone to church.
DJ> Then you must expect at least as much rudeness as the average
DJ> telephone solicitor.
... Excuse me, I gotta go kill a Care Bear.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Pam Gray
|Sub: Agnostic(ism?)
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:58:33
EID:a77d 20331740
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe243
REPLY: 1:250/1004 08105cf4
PG> Whether anyone else believes is a moot point...
DF> Anyways, is agnosticism a religion or not? -Stubbs
PG> It's what you think and believe in your own heart is which counts.
PG> People don't have to agree with what you believe as long as they
PG> respect your beliefs and you respect their beliefs.
Beliefs don't have to be respected, per se. Actions, OTOH...
... Send lawyers, guns and money...the shit has hit the fan.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Todd Andlar
|Sub: off-topic totally
|Date: 19 Jan 96 02:59:46
EID:6111 20331760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe244
REPLY: 1:250/1004 088401e0
TA> yeah this is totally off-topic... but it doesn't seem like
TA> anybody is getting the msgs being sent from this brd... can we get a
TA> confirmation of some sort?
I didn't see this message. You're not getting through here.
Sorry. ;->
... You might very well think that...but I couldn't _possibly_ comment.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Fono
|Sub: Agnostic(ism?)
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:02:16
EID:7c9d 20331840
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe245
REPLY: 1:250/1004 0904012c
DF> Well, there you go; BTW, I didn't need clarifying, I'm not a moron,
Uh, then why did you ask the question? And it was really
nice of you to just address to "All" instead of actually
eexplaining yourself.
DF> just expressing my humble arguments. -
Sure the fuck sounded like you were asking a question. That's
what I tend to think when I see one of those "?" dealies in
place of a period, which is what a statement requires.
... Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: On the fifth day of Satan
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:06:13
EID:5e62 203318c0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe246
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60b2fcd5
A> I didn't bother sending a curse your way.
A> You ever think that maybe I _just said that_?
JH> You expect me to believe that there is a difference between the two?
I could've sworn he explained in a later post that he also
"walks the walk" as he "talks the talk". Is he (I love this
expression) "writing checks with his mouth that his ass can't
cash?" As the pseudo-dead Mikey of FLAME fame once said to
a fundy, "I want my hell, bitch. Give it to me now."
... Weird's way is hard. --old Viking saying
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: test
|Date: 19 Jan 96 13:27:17
EID:3b51 20336b60
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe247
REPLY: 1:2614/715.0 30fd0bb2
BN> Yet another test. Am I getting out?
Hey hey! You made it back!
... "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Female Circumcision,
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:13:51
EID:c32a 203319a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe248
REPLY: 1:105/40.666 46c8d35f
DW> How many women have you met that have had cliterectomies?
DA> About 3, but I never knew them well, it was a very formal business
DA> relationship that I had with them. This was bout 2 years ago when I
DA> was in cash register repair.
MB> Bwhahahahahahah!
MB> "My name is Suzy. We will have only a very formal business
MB> relationship. I've had a cliterectomy."
MB> Yeah. Riiiiiiight.
No, no--it was more like this:
"There ya go, ma'am--that cashtray is working as good as new,
slides in and out without a hitch."
"Thank you, kind sir. I just wish I could say the same for my
clitoris."
... I can walk on water, but I stagger on alcohol.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: COINCIDENCE SEVEN
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:18:42
EID:a7ba 20331a40
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe249
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf833
GR> If my purchase comes to 14.76, I know who I can hand $20.01 to and who
GR> I can't. And the damn machine does the work for them. They scratch
GR> their heads in amazement when the machine tells them my change is
GR> $5.25. Then they state that this can't be right, start going over the
GR> cash register tape, paging the manager, calling in the IRS and company
GR> book-keepers.
Oh, I love doing that. Mainly, it's because I'd rather have
the silver (anyone still call it "silver" anymore?)--though
the great irony is it's the clerk who seems like the type easily
distractable by shiny objects.
GR> But there is going to come a day when dad won't be there to solve the
GR> problems. As a parent I can do nothing less than prepare him for that
GR> day, and that means teaching him how to solve his own problems. It
GR> hurts to see him fail, it hurts to see him get frustrated, but it is
GR> worth that look on his face when he dusts himself off, with direction
GR> of course, and solves the problems.
GR> It isn't the easy way, but it is the correct way.
Last year I subbed a math class, i.e., I warmed the deskchair
while the kids did busywork problems from a handout. They *all*
got stuck on #6, which was a problem of how to maximize a fenced
area using the side of a barn and a certain length of fencing.
Sure, it was fun to walk 'em through the problem, but a couple
of things bothered me. That as I paced through it to make sure
everyone followed each step, most of the class only copied it
from the board line by line. That they were *so* bowled over
by my ability to do the problem (Algebra-I), as if it were rocket
science. There's WAAAAY too much math anxiety today. I really
think that for HS kids looking to concentrate on science for
college, they should be able to take DE as seniors if they can
handle it. Algebra-I should be taught in 6th grade at least.
Like I said two weeks ago, it's gonna take another Sputnik for
the school systems to toss the fundies on their ear again.
... I am NOT a cynic - I just remember last time too well!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Preston's temper tantrum.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:37:09
EID:7112 20331ca0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe24a
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf844
DC> Which sex crazed Staal are you?
GR> The one no longer taking the Paxil. It causes limp dick syndrome.
Prozac and Zoloft do that, too.
"You say you haven't had a hardon for a month?"
"Yeah. So? 8-)"
... "Never turn down an opportunity to piss." -- Gen. George Patton
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Jealous God
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:40:11
EID:9013 20331d00
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe24b
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fcf847
DC> ... How do you get a lawyer out of a tree? Cut the rope.
GR> How do you get a lawyer out of a tree? Tell him you want to sue the
GR> roots.
A lawyer died and went to heaven. St. Peter looked at the man
and said, "You certainly look healthy for a man your age--it
almost seems like we made a mistake taking you." The lawyer
said, "What do you mean--I'm 48 years old." St. Pete looked
again and said, "Well based on your billing hours, you're 83."
... Amish pickup line: "Art thee up for some plowing?"
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Linda Whitten
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 19 Jan 96 03:45:41
EID:aabc 20331da0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 30ffe24c
REPLY: 1:128/203 569ba516
>> LW> Yeppers! They make nice pets, too. Hmmmmmm.....Methinks
>> Valhalla....
>> Not really. They eat too much and take forever to
>> housebreak.
LW> Not if you train 'em like Pavlov's dogs!
What, slit their cheeks open and stick little glass bottles
in the holes?
... "Eighteen straight whiskeys...I think that's a record." (Dylan Thomas)
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Cussing
|Date: 19 Jan 96 14:41:50
EID:fa45 20337520
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003364
RJ> If it were against the rules, why is it that no one is
RJ> kicked off of this one, or FLAME, or MENSA, or a number
RJ> of other echoes I've either participated in or monitored
RJ> where talk of this sort is a regular occurrence?
DH> What the hell would Charles be doing on the MENSA echo? His IQ could
Outlying.
RJ> And furthermore, why do you insist on harping over this
RJ> particular issue, with the same, tired, one-note whine?
DH> Shit-for-brains couldn't be content with bitching and moaning on HS.
DH> I just downloaded the packet I get WV_TALKS in, and guess what?
Umm...he was complaining?
DH> Yeppers, old Charlie and his dimbulb stoogette Kris are busily
DH> smearing the name of your humble correspondent before his friends and
DH> neighbors. I thought that was right Christian of him.
By name and by nature.
... Life's Great Irony #146: Turtles have a drag coefficient of .03
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: csh joke
|Date: 19 Jan 96 15:38:31
EID:8904 20337cc0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003368
REPLY: 1:109/120.0 30fee3f6
* Reply to msg originally in Fidonet Echo: Mensa
DA> Paul Barth writes:
DA> Since we are all now great Unix wizards, the follow might be
DA> humorous. It
DA> came to me from Umass.
DA> Note that the '%' prompt indicates that the command should be
DA> issued from
DA> the C shell, and the '$' prompt indicates the Bourne shell.
DA> % rm meese-ethics
DA> rm: meese-ethics nonexistent
DA> % ar m God
DA> ar: God does not exist
DA> % "How would you rate Reagan's incompetence?
DA> Unmatched ".
DA> % [Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
DA> Missing ].
DA>
DA> % ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
DA> Modifier failed.
DA> % If I had a ( for every $ Congress spent, what would I have?
DA> Too many ('s.
DA> % make love
DA> Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop.
DA> % sleep with me
DA> bad character
DA> % got a light?
DA> No match.
DA> % man: why did you get a divorce?
DA> man:: Too many arguments.
DA> % ^What is saccharine?
DA> Bad substitute.
DA> % %blow
DA> %blow: No such job.
DA> % \(-
DA> (-: Command not found.
DA> % sh
DA> $ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense
DA> no sense in pretending!
DA> $ drink bottle: cannot open
DA> opener: not found
DA> $ mkdir matter; cat >matter
DA> matter: cannot create
DA> --
DA> David B. Stewart, Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Engr., and The Robotics
DA> Institute, Carnegie Mellon University, email:
DA> stewart@faraday.ece.cmu.edu The following software is now available;
DA> ask me for details CHIMERA II, A Real-time OS for Sensor-Based
DA> Control Applications
... OK, I admit it--_I_ was the one who made those crop circles in England
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Mutations
|Date: 19 Jan 96 16:40:27
EID:c5ba 20338500
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100336c
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 30fd6810
DM> Why should you hear about such a thing? Why should people
DM> express themselves in such terms? Considering that a baby born with
DM> "improvements" obviously does not need medical attention for the
DM> condition, and considering that any improvements (that I can think
AM> If a birth "improvement" were as obvious as birth defects, the
AM> hospital would alert the media. It would likely get world wide
AM> attention. More subtle improvements such as gifted children, would go
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You just said it there, moron. There are also plenty of subtle
defects which don't need medical attention, either.
AM> unnoticed. In the case of Einstien he donated his brain to science.
AM> His brain was average. Is there any evidence, that great athletes or
Nope. Einstein's brain was revealed to contain 73% more glial
cells than the average brain. However, that physiognomic matter
doesn't necessarily equate to advanced intelligence.
AM> genuises are transferring those traits to there offspring?
Children with high IQs tend to be offspring of parents with
high IQs.
AM> To me, one of the more troubling aspects of evolution (if it
AM> were true) are its social ramifications. The ethnic cleansing
AM> practices of some nations should just be viewed as the natural course
Ethnic cleansing is a product of religionoids. Goat, but you're
dense, aren't you?
AM> of events. If a baby born with a defect, kill it. This is survival of
AM> the fittest taken to its logical con- clusion. You get to old to
AM> produce, bye bye. No place for compassion, just the law of the jungle.
The only thing is, evolution is a NON-DIRECTED process when it
takes place in nature. The folly of most eugenics programs have
been proven by several implementations. The main problem is
that you can't always tell what a defect is in evolutionary terms.
AM> surgeries, but came through like a champ. And though the abortion
AM> crowd would say she'd rather be aborted, I can tell you she is very
You are a fucking idiot. The "abortion crowd" is not a pack
of faithmongering assholes who want to go around killing all
the babies they see. They leave that shit to the Christians,
who more than adequately pick up the slack. Anyway, nothing
you say should be viewed with even the slightest bit of credi-
bility, as you've shown yourself to be one of the sloppier of
the fundies on this board in regards to thinking. I mean, what
do you expect when someone claims "modern scientists from 300
years ago believed the Earth was balanced on the back of a giant
tortoise"? Your only evidence for this is that some books back
then used to have that picture on the cover.
... I want to grow up to be...to be a debaser.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: WHAT??
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:13:23
EID:f8f7 203389a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100336d
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 30fd8360
JB> Just want to reassure you that you aren't going crazy or in the first
JB> stages of Alzheimers.
GtP> I can't remember my first period...something every woman remembers.
GtP> Sometimes I just sit and try to think of it and it's just not there.
GtP> Sigh.
My ex-gf remembers hers. She's the one I mentioned is what
happens when someone like Maria raises children. Her mother
called her a tramp, because she figured any girl who had a
period was probably having sex.
... "I'll be with you in a moment, I'm just sealing some fates."
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Christian Miller
|Sub: about my wherabouts
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:12:50
EID:eaa5 20339980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100336e
REPLY: 1:3603/800@fidonet.org 9011912f
KW> You forbid your god to appear to you as a homosexual? Or do you just
KW> think that your 'omnipotent' deity can't?
CM>
CM> Wouldn't, not can't. Since homosexuality is a sin, why do you think
CM> God would come down as a sinner? Hmmm?
CM>
Umm, maybe to conquer sin? Isn't that s'posed to be why you
claim he appeared as a mortal--to conquer death?
So then, why didn't he conquer sin?
... I'll bet you've got the word BRUNSWICK stamped in your forehead.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: "Good things heathens have done for me lately"
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:25:36
EID:b519 20338b20
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100336f
ML> We're not real heathens...we're false heathens...
SQ> "False heathen scum." Hmmm...I'll have to think about that one.
ML>
ML> "When did you stop being false heathen scum?"
"But hey, that's why your [sic] false heathen scum."
--Steve "Bizarro" Winter
... Raking leaves with Liza, me and Liz clean up the yard.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:38:17
EID:c88c 20338cc0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003370
REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 60c1fee0
MG>> What DO Haggis tste like?
ML> Never having eaten one, I can only go on second-hand
ML> information. You told me they taste like scotch, only
ML> the shoe-polish finish.
MG> Like Blood Somethingorother I suspect. Or oatmeal.
Hey, the poet's (Rrrrrobie Burns!) birthday is in six days.
I'll bet *someone's* gonna be cooking a haggis up for it--I
think there's some bar in the Quarter that has a celebration
every January 25th, complete with pipes and haggis, and gen-
erous lashings of "lochwater and humic acid" to wash it down.
... "Never turn down an opportunity to piss." -- Gen. George Patton
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: UNCLE ZETA WANTS YOU!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 17:46:15
EID:eb39 20338dc0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003371
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60ba2c3f
AS> Y'know, some people do Shakespeare in contemporary clothes
AS> to show the timelessness of the Bard, to make them see the
AS> actions as more than set costume pieces.
JH> I once saw a performance of Two Gentlemen of Verona done in
JH> "Roaring 20's" dress.
The actor Ian McKellan recently wrapped up a movie adaptation
of a Shakespeare play (wish I could remember which one), with
the costumes and setting being the 1930s.
JH> I cant put my finger on it, but I think I've seen a PBS production
JH> that used futuristic sets and costumes.
"So Laertes, you consider yourself to be the better deathray
pistolman?"
... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Satanist lays an egg.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:12:51
EID:e1b0 20339980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003372
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 60c2c99c
me> Today is Day SIX of my Satanic Curse.
A> I already told you, butt-fuck, nothing will as I was only
A> fucking with your mind.
JH>
JH> You whimped out when you saw it wasn't going to work.
What's even more laughable is that he'd think a "curse" would
work on a nonbeliever like you, except as something to give
you a chuckle.
A> Tell you what, if you are so desirous of a curse I will give you
A> one if you get up to day 13.
JH> Today is Day SEVEN of your last failed curse.
JH> Which takes us more than half-way to your next failed curse.
I'll bet you're marking big red X's on your calendar...
... I'm patient with stupidity but not with those proud of it.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ABORTION
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:00:51
EID:5c90 20339000
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003373
DH> I caught all that. Maria isn't sick. She's afraid. She's afraid that
DH> if she really faces up to the truth in the bible, and how the bible
JB> I still think she's sick. The possiblility that her sickness is
JB> fear-induced, does exist though. Her loathing for her own gender comes
JB> through loud and clear, though. It is a travesty, what was done to her
JB> in the name of a religion. But there is no way that the rest of us
Several years ago, I watched an episode of "Donahue" about
this family of evangelists, the Duffys--from NC, I b'lieve
(there's a stretch!). Seems the two boys were getting tossed
out of school repeatedly for preaching on campus.
But see, it wasn't that they were preaching, per se, it was that
they got in students and teachers faces and *SCREAMED* the verses
(almost all relating to sinners burning in hell) at people. It
was more noise polution than anything. The father (why do they
all feel compelled to adopt Hitler's hairdo and moustache?)
bragged about his boys' knowledge of Scripture, so Phil got the
older boy (10 or 11 years old) to do a bit of his shpiel for thew
show. The kid stood up and began SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF HIS
LUNGS ABOUT DAMNATION AND FORNICATION, and calmed back down as
he took his seat. Phil asked the kid what the verses meant, and
the kid simply didn't have a clue.
But here's the thing. The wife of the fascist putz sat by her
hubby's side, never spoke unless spoken to, and was usually
laconic in her answers to Phil, sort of a mumbled yes or no,
and she never answered a single question without looking at her
husband first for the answer. For the entire hour show, it was
actually painful to watch this woman sit there--she had this
horrible look of fear and sadness in her eyes. She was clearly
terrified of the man.
JB> freemales here (typo intentional) are going to let her go unchallenged.
JB> Most of us have lived through too much that was justified 'in the name
JB> of god' to allow her to go without trying to shake her as much as
JB> possible.
Good luck. Any male that would try is just hopelessly deluded
by Satan's lies. Only some non-ruled females are Satan's minions,
the others are just "angry" over their shitty deal in the past,
of which "God had nothing to do with it". She might listen to
the latter on a visceral level, even as she ignores and makes
light of them.
... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: PERSEVERE
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:12:52
EID:ec03 20339980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003374
JB> She's right about the white shoes. And white socks. If you can't find
JB> white socks, brown ones will do in a pinch. They must NOT, under any
JB> circumstances, match the suit. You can't have the marks thinking you
JB> have your mind on anything as mundane as your clothing.
JB> Come to think about it, mismatched socks would be the absolute best...
JB> one white, one brown. When the older members of the congregation see
JB> that, they then start offering you their daughters.
All those big-breasted Babdiss girls with their bows that
match their jumpers and socks with the little cheerleader
pom-pons on the back...that way the right girl can drum
some fashion sense into the poor godly boy. That's
what switched me from briefs to colorful boxers.
... "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S. Thompson
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:16:29
EID:feee 20339200
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003375
JH> The curse is somewhat slightly overdue.
JB> After seeing some more of his most recent posts, I have come to the
JB> conclusion that his curse is a reality...it's just taking the form of
JB> trying to bore you to death.
Just like the Satanic Bible.
... And malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to Man.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 0
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:17:59
EID:9166 20339220
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003376
JB> And no, the plaque does NOT make clear that the bodies are still
JB> there. I guess Quaker ghosts aren't considered threatening enough to
JB> even make it into the 'haunted' tours of Charleston.
I could just imagine Quaker ghosts:
"Oh look, Martha--mortals! Isn't that nice?"
"Heh-heh, look--they're walking on our graves. I'll bet they'd
freak if they only knew...ssh! here come some more."
... Coming up next on NPR's "Sounds of Space"...12 minutes of silence.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Female Circumcision, yet
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:29:43
EID:db07 203393a0
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003377
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fd6f36
DM>> their work for them. I suspect that the Anglo Saxons found the
JT> Small error in the above paragraph Don. Anglo-Saxon is a
JT> sub-race that resulted from the Saxon masters breeding with the native
JT> anglos. In other words Anglo-Saxon is not suitable to refer to the
JT> people who took over England... only those they became.
DW> The Angles just got there and took things over before the Saxons did.
...who snicked it from the Gaels, who pilfered it from the
Picts, who drove out the...uh, who did the Picts displace?
... * Origin: COPROLALLIA NETWORK--Talking up shit for Jesus! -=SCATNET=-
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Fucking gun nuts!
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:32:10
EID:9342 20339400
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003378
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fd7138
DW> 12 Jan 96 21:12, Fredric Rice wrote to MARTY LEIPZIG:
ml>> That's the round and M O favored by the Massad.
FR> anyway it's spelled wrong. }:-} Don't I not work for the Mossad?
DW> I *told* you that bourbon would rot your brain. Today you're having
DW> your spelling corrected by Fred. What happens tomorrow, instruction
DW> in the finer points of theology by Mcabee?
Assertiveness-training by Maria Russell?
Humility lessons from Staal?
Sexual technique from DRice?
... Don't make me pull out the high-powered rifle and the clown mask!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR]
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Tolerance
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:48:14
EID:c7e1 20339600
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 31003379
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fe932e
-DW>> you are just to find out you're as much of a quack as all
-DW>> the other psychics out there.
B> I have been doing this for 25 years.
DW> You've been a quack for 25 years?
"Duck," said the quack.
... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: THIS TOTALLY BLOWS M
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:52:59
EID:39fe 20339680
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100337a
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 30fea1df
GtP> ... Never take a beer to a job interview ... unless you're a
GtP> braumeister. -!-
There's a microbrewery a mile from my home--I've toured the
place and staggered home giggling for free. But one thing
that impressed me was the job descrip of the brew staff.
Imagine...getting fired for not drinking on the job.
... "Bother", said Pooh, as his mead wort boiled over.
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Hey
|Date: 19 Jan 96 18:59:36
EID:141c 20339760
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100337b
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 30fea4df
CR> all here are a slave to sin because you cannot quit profanity, you don't
CR> have it within you to quit do you. Yeah, real intelligent.
GtP> I have to agree with you....to a point. Was it Shaw who said
GtP> "Profanity is the last refuge of the unimaginative"? However, we are
Actually, he said "Profanity is an inadequate crutch for
inarticulate motherfuckers."
GtP> Paul who originated the idea of "when in Rome." In this particular
GtP> case, it's more "when in the company of idiots..."
Good one.
... Avoid the Tate's Compass: "He who has a Tate's is lost!"
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:12:54
EID:6b11 20339980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100337c
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 30fef5a2
Greetings, Staal! Which one am I talking to?
RS> Why not? Are you saying you have no evidence for the flood?
JS> I am no scientist. I don't know what would or would not be
JS> satisfactory evidence for the scientific person. Myself, personally,
JS> however, I accept it in faith. I do it because I want to and no one
JS> makes me do it.
Sure is a whole lot easier than having to read a book, isn't
it, "English Major"? Was thinking always hard for you, or
did something happen to you to make you give it up?
... Well do you, punk?
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|From: Robert Jackson
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Yer momma sews socks that smell.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 19:12:55
EID:8365 20339980
PID: BWMAX 3.11 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:390/87.0 3100337d
REPLY: Fidonet#1:380/16 30fedf0c
A> Yeah, it should. What would you like to see? My great luck in everything
A> I do, my sudden luck at love, or all the cash and other shit I get all
the
A> time?
HP> I flew to Jupiter today. Believe it? Why not? Ain't my saying it
HP> evidence?
HP> Want to tell us your height, weight, GPA and martial arts prowess now,
HP> or later?
You forgot IQ, SAT score, and SEAL training. Do you suppose
Staal is Rubado?
HP>
A> faith, miracles? things that supposedly exist but you never see
A> evidence of.
HP> Hint: "devils." :-)
fnurk!
... "O be inspired by the Flame!" --Rainer Maria Rilke
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Todd Andlar
|Sub: off-topic totally
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:28:01
EID:4b30 2032bb80
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0916da88
REPLY: 1:250/1004 088401e0
> yeah this is totally off-topic...
Don't sweat the petty things. Just pet the sweaty things.
> but it doesn't seem like anybody is getting the msgs being
> sent from this brd... can we get a confirmation of some sort?
Your message made it to Oregon from wherever net 250 is located.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: White-lighter Religions
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:41:02
EID:1c1d 2032bd20
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0916da89
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89074BA8
> Don't be so sarcastic - you know what was meant!
Not unless I can recall what you're referring to. Try quoting
a portion of the relevant text next time.
> Please, know that God has not given ANY of us the right
> to condemn people to hell. That is not our task.
> Ours is to help people to have a relationship with HIm.
Funny thing about relationships, Jose'. They work best with
something tangible on both sides. You may be proven to exist.
Your imaginary friend can't.
> That was my point.
And that is mine.
> ...God'll getcha!!
He/she/it's welcome to try.
> * Origin: SomeThing New
..would be nice.
Got any new evidence? (i.e. any at all would be new)
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Jose Gomez
|Sub: Perhaps here's the reason
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:46:03
EID:df37 2032bdc0
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0916da8a
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 89074BB1
> Silence is not a cure for "Christian noise".
Why are you telling ME this? I am "The Creator" of this echo.
If I believed in silencing it, you would not have had the
opportunity to express such an idea here. Post away...
> I invite you and everyone to search the libraries and
> historical records and you will find an overwelming amount
> of evidence supporting the bible and its fundamental ideas.
> But don't take MY word for it...search for yourself.
Only if you take the time to actually read your bible.
It contains many errors, blatant contradictions, and inconsistencies.
> God'll getcha!!
What's taking him so damned long? I'm right here... waiting.
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|From: Styx Allum
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: test
|Date: 18 Jan 96 23:49:04
EID:21ae 2032be20
MSGID: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 0916da8b
REPLY: 1:2614/715.0 30fd0bb2
> Yet another test. Am I getting out?
Not enough. :) Most HolySmokers need to get out more often.
Some people like Mike & Al seem to live online. ;-D
Oh. Your test worked. Pretty easy to pass.
--- Test Ease .86
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: TEST
|Date: 19 Jan 96 06:57:00
EID:0379 20333720
-=> Quoting Blanche Nonken to All <=-
BN> Yet another test. Am I getting out?
Hooray, Blanche...you're back. How's the little one? Bore us with tales
of her.
... Two is company, three is an orgy.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 19 Jan 96 07:08:00
EID:7689 20333900
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to J.j. Hitt <=-
JH> Which pope was that? I'm not aware of any pope in recent history
RJ> Like 1978?
Not only was he NOT killed in the attempt, it wasn't even a head wound.
He was gut-shot. Lost several feet of his intestine and had to wear a
colostomy bag for almost a year.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
--- FLAME v1.1
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: JUST TAKE OUT THE CORK.
|Date: 19 Jan 96 07:11:00
EID:8029 20333960
-=> Quoting Ryan Shaw to Asmodeus <=-
RS> Did you know that if you drink a beer, drink some coffee, eat some
RS> food, take some antibiotics, or drink some herbal tea you've done
RS> drugs?
He'll probably answer you as soon as he puts out his cigarette.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR Lumpy
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:44:13
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf257
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8ce
PID: FM 2.02
SR> Look we already know you are as ugly as shit but your desparate
SR> attempts to make echo-girlfriends are as successful as your ability
to
SR> show evidence of your babble myth-gawds: nil.
js> .....I don't believe you have ever met me _Rosebud_ so obviously
No, you just believe in the occult, hatred, and bigotry.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal lies about his shoes
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:34:05
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d1f
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I'm serious, man. The guy may not even remember from one
FR> week to the next. He can't _possibly_ be this dishonest.
sq> I've never seen someone with such a roller-coaster personality.
One wonders if he's borderline sociopathic and his medication is tailored
toward keeping him below the threshold.
sq> The LAN project approaches completion, which will mean "Operation
sq> Jim and Jesse" will begin.
Great! I've already started the project on my end and, as you've been informed,
though I'm not the Special Projects Director, I launched C3 which should
help to create/generate more background material.
sq> They're going to have to get their falsehoods in
sq> quickly while they still can.
I've been archiving since January 20'th.
FR> have to start again. I mean, Jones is now denying things which he
fr> said well over a year ago, resting comfortably in the fact that no
fr> one bothered to save his words from that long ago.
sq> I have quite a few of his rantings here which I've shown
sq> to people to show what kind of screwballs are out there.
We need to perhaps get you to send me those archive so I can open-up the
HolySmoke folder. I'll also be putting the Internet IRC #holysmoke logs
in the folder.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows he NEEDS his medication
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:34:48
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d20
PID: FM 2.02
js> Got great news: been off the medication for
js> months now. Life is indeed good!
FR> I KNEW IT! I just KNEW it!
sq> Yes, but I told you first!
Yep. You sure called that one right.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal lies like a Promise Keeper
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:37:33
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d21
PID: FM 2.02
FR> ~*~ You'll go to hell! You'll go to hell! Almighty God himself!
FR> You'll go to hell! Again, You'll go to hell! - Jerry Wilcox
sq> This -almost fits "The Farmer in the Dell."
sq> "You'll all go to hell! You'll all go to hell!
sq> Almighty God himself! You'll all go to hell!"
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal needs help too
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:38:22
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d22
PID: FM 2.02
FL> Well, Styx tells me that a few fundies here on HS have seen the light.
sq> Oh?
FR> The HolySmoke Central Committee hasn't been informed of this. }:-}
sq> I wish that Styx had cross-posted any relevant
sq> material to GET_JESSE, GET_RON, or GET_MORMONS.
Styx is in #holysmoke. If I remember to ask, I'll see if he can think of
any fundies that have learned anything.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal / Jesse Fights THIS evil!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:43:20
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d23
PID: FM 2.02
FR>> ~*~ FUCK YOU ATHEIST! WHEN I FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE, I'LL DRIVE
A
FR>> PITCHFORK THROUGH THAT EMPTY HEAD OF YOURS, YOU ARROGANT PIG!
FR>> - Christopher Calabrese
sq> Did I ever see Jesse Jones fighting THIS "evil?"
sq> No, he continues to let him and others like him speak for his
sq> club, then "running for cover" with the "They're not True
sq> Christians" copout after the damage has been done.
Yep. The Jesse fuck still kicks and screams when fundies are torn up by
his intellectual superiors and yet when fundies express their homophobic
hatred and justify violence against women and blacks, Jesse is predictably
silent.
I still assert that it's because Jesse learned Christianity and _not_ because
he's a bad person. I think Christanics are willing to allow fellow Christanics
to express their ideological hates without comment because Jesse is one
of Us (capitalized) whereas his intellectual superiors are one of Them.
FR> I wonder how many of these fundies would be willing to attend a
FR> gathering of 'Smokers in Texass.
sq> We should do it in a wooded area of Arkansas, where some of them would
sq> probably feel much more at home (Then again, I LIKE it there, and can't
sq> conceive of the Fundies trampling all over my vacation spot.).
It turns out that the West Coast HolySmoke Convention will be in Las Vegas.
(More information will be posted tomorow.) Lynda B. will be coordinating
the East Coast gathering and we'll use video conference to link the two
sites over a week end in August.
The airfare to LV is cheap from just about anywhere in the world -- far
cheaper than going to Texas.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal Christmas
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:44:57
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d24
PID: FM 2.02
sq> And Curry is waiting for a reply to RC query #1. Here we sit
sq> like birds in the wilderness, and Jesse's sitting there thinking
sq> "Gawsh, these guys sure ask a lot of stupid questions!"
FR> Yeah and then tries to pretend that us heathens are "running for cover."
sq> The funny thing is that _I_ haven't run for cover.
No heathen has yet in all of six or seven years now. There's never been
any need to as the heathens all pretty much have learned to at least have
references on hand.
sq> It is -Jesse- who hides behind a tree in the woods while
sq> I'm attempting to seek him out and get answers from him.
"I didn't refuse to answer your question. I just ignored it."
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal Christmas / Jesse Christ Jones
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:47:40
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d25
PID: FM 2.02
jcj> Or is there something that makes you hope you will
jcj> hear a word that puts you in touch with the divine?
sq> I don't know as to what "word" he's referring.
sq> 'Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious," perhaps?
"Kill the fag!" perhaps.
sq> The only thing that comes to mind is when Robert Plant
sq> says "Suck!" before Jimmy Page launches into that
sq> great solo in "Communication Breakdown."
Jesse seems to think that because he hears voices, everyone must.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal's Quality fundy time
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:49:29
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d26
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we
fr> get through here declined over the years?
sq> Shit...are we beyond our Golden Age? They don't
sq> make 'em like Stringfellow or Stokes these days, do they?
I think that after a couple of years fundies must eventually learn that
the can't successfully defend their occultism against the well educated
people in this forum. Word is getting out and only the truely brain dead
think they have something which hasn't been debunked here scientifically
a thousand times before.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal's hatred and bigotry = True Christian
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:51:13
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d27
PID: FM 2.02
km> Wait a minute Fred, tell me exactly where
km> does he say that he hates them?
Wadda fuck.
sq> Easy...his self-proclaimed agents tell us that God hates
sq> gays. Then those same agents run for cover when they're
sq> called on it.
The hatred and bigotry can't be seen by those who share the same destructive
and deadly ideologies as the bigot they're looking at, though. Because
Ken hates fags as well, he cant see Staal's hate.
FR> Wait a minute, Ken, tell me where exactly Hitler says he hates Jews?
sq> Er, "Mein Kampf" would be a good place to start.
Not to mention many of his later speeches.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal's Received Threat / FBI
|Date: 03 Feb 96 11:53:06
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110b7d28
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Just like the Children's Crusade of 1212.
sq> I thought that was Navas de Tolosa.
"Holy Horrors" places the first Children's Crusade at 1212 as I recall.
I should really go through the book again and compile a body count and put
dates to them... make a chart of the data.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:09:22
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf22e
PID: FM 2.02
>> * Original: FROM..... Lump (1:228/45.0)
>> C'MON FERDIE, GET A LIFE FOR ONCE AND SAY OR DO SOMETHING
>> INTELLIGENT....LIKE ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR SIT AND CLEAN YOURSELF
>> LIKE THE DOG THAT YOU ARE...seeing no-one will do it for ya.That's my
I don't even see many of Jim's rants.
sq> Jesus loves him and forgives him.
Yes, and condones his hatred and bigotry.
sq> The rest of us think he's a total asshole
sq> on whom we wouldn't piss if he was on fire.
You know, this particular fundy seems to be calling out for help.
sq> I wonder if he'll call me "VERMIN!!!!!" for that,
sq> and I wonder if his masters will be proud of him.
He _learned_ his behavior from his masters.
sq> Is this a True Christian at work?
sq> The only answer I got was from the perp himself. I find it
sq> peculiar that my posts to Michael Hardy aren't making it to
sq> the system from which he posts.
Blame it on a fundy who's frightened of the truth somewhere downstream from
you.
FR> Read, "Holy Horrors" by James A.
fr> Haught then ask yourself the question.
sq> The question is rhetorical. I simply wish that one of
sq> his brethren would take him aside and advise him that
sq> he's acting like a total ass.
But I still assert that _MOST_ -- the MAJORITY -- of Christians _AGREE_
with Staal's hatred and bigotry. Most, however, know better than to express
it publically.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Staal lacks even One God
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:10:05
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf22f
PID: FM 2.02
> Greetings!
> I would like to point out some good news, I found about God.
> There is only One God, Not three!
If you have evidence for the existance of _any_ deities, how about shareing
it? It seems rather selfish to hold it all to yourself, you know.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Staal's not in the HolySmoke Central Committee either
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:12:24
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf230
REPLY: 1:250/1004 09040134
PID: FM 2.02
> FR>00000 0000 00000 The blasphemy _continues_ every day on
> FR> 0 0 0 0 Internet Relay Chat channel #holysmoke
> FR> 0 0000 0
> FR> 0 0 0 0 ! ! !
> FR>00000 0 0 00000
> FR>The HolySmoke Central Committee plans to gather-up all the heathens
> FR>(and any fundies we can trick into participating) who
> FR>have Internet access to create some more painful on-line blasphemy
> FR>specifically designed to do heaping gobs of incalcuable damage!
[...cuts...]
> FR> The possibilities are incalcuable!
> FR>You'll be damned if you don't!
> I WISH I could join but I can't...:( I'm all the way up here in Canada
> and can't afford internet access or make a meet in Texas. But I'm
> having lots of fun with you folks and hope to stick around for more!
> It's the best and funniest religions conference I've ever seen!
The #holysmoke channel on the undernet.org IRC servers should be reachable
by you, though, free of cost so long as your Internet access is local to
you. The HolySmoke Convention on the West Coast will be in Las Vegas --
airfares into LV are far cheaper than anywhere else.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal also has great Ignorant of history
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:16:37
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf231
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fd60af
PID: FM 2.02
km>>> I belong to no Christanic death cult, and
km>>> I can see you still haven't learned.
FR>> The reason why the Christanic death cult has the history it does is
FR>> BECAUSE cult members like you refuse to admit it's a death cult.
[...cuts...]
km> Who conducted the Crusades?
km> Who conducted the Inquisitions?
km> Who conducted the Witch hunts?
Christians, clown. Perhaps you should actually learn the origins of the
Christanic death cult, Ken, then perhaps you could find the courage to escape
it. Hatred and bigotry is an ideological baseline for Christianity -- as
you well know. Stop pretending otherwise.
km> I know what Adolf Hitler did, and I have explained many times
km> that people that act in such a manner are not Christians.
History shows you to be mistaken.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the
brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against
the Jewish poison.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look
on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness
and misery.
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
Published in "My New Order"
Quoted in "Freethought Today" April 1990
So much for your mistaken beliefs, Ken.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:19:36
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf232
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fd63d4
PID: FM 2.02
km>>> You cannot say whether I "pretend" to believe or not.
FR>> I can easilly do so simply by pointing out that you refuse to
FR>> drink poison even though your occult mythologies say you can
FR>> without negative consequences -- if you're a true believer,
FR>> that is.
km>> And I tell you that according to the
km>> Bible, that would be tempting God
FR> That's a cop out and you're only lying to yourself to
FR> escape the fact that _YOU_ are being tested.
km> No Fred, read the Bible you claim to know so well, nowhere
km> did Christ tell us to drink drink poison on purose to prove
km> that we are Christians.
The classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that if you actually
believe in the occult you will not be sick or die reguardless of what you
drink. Since you don't actually believe in the occult, you're unwilling
to take the test because you know you're only pretending to believe.
Face it, Ken. You're here in HolySmoke to find the courage you need to
escape that death cult you mistakenly fell into. We all can see this simply
by the fact that you refuse to take the test. Your cop-out pretending it's
your deities being tested is a half-hearted ruse designed to deny having
to admit that you're afraid because in your heart you don't believe.
We're here for you.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:20:43
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FR> I know for a fact that you're a false Christian
FR> and when you're put to the test, you failed utterly.
km> Put to the test = tempted.
You're not being "tempted." You're being asked to prove that you actually
believe in your occult mythologies. Since you refuse to drink it, you're
admitting that you're not really a believer.
You're an atheist, Ken, in your heart.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:25:35
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf234
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FR> Trying to pretend that your deities are being tested
FR> when YOU failed is blasphemy, Ken.
km> So tell me Fred, if I drink poison, who (according
km> to the scriptures) is going to protect me?
According to your mythologies, your FAITH will protect you. Since you don't
believe in your death cult deity constructs, you know it will kill you.
FR> See you in Hell.
km> You might be able to see me as the rich man in
km> Luke 16 could see Lazarus in Abraham's bosum
Now you're trying to quote mythology to defend your lack of faith.
km> but I won't be in Hell Fred
No one will, Ken, since it's a myth designed to scare the ignorant and the
superstitious. In fact you should be lucky that it doesn't exist since
you're an atheist in your heart.
km> I can't be I've been saved.
From having to think for yourself, yes.
km> BTW Fred why would you tell me "See you
km> in Hell" when you don't believe it exist?
Point is that you don't believe in it either.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Mark 16:15-18. Shall Staal pour?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:30:27
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FR> Nonsense. You believe the occult mythologies or you do not.
fr> Your myths state quite plainly that YOU may drink poison and
fr> YOU will not die. Your deities don't even factor into the equation.
km> Actually Fred it says "and if they drink any deadly thing,
km> it shall not hurt them;". "IF" Fred not "may".
Yet you're afraid to test the fact because you know it _will_ hurt you.
In fact if you were willing to drink something at the start of the HolySmoke
Convention, I can assure you it will kill you.
km>> Sorry Fred, your logic doesn't work here.
FR> You lied. You live a lie. You are a false Christian. Trying
fr> to pretend you're not being tested makes you fail the test.
fr> That means you're a false Christian.
km> No Fred, your tempting (testing) God not me
Your intellectual superiors can't test or temp your deity constructs since
they don't believe in them. I believe in you, however, and your existance.
I also know that you're trying vainly to escape from having to drink up
because you know your myths are lies.
km> you don't know what a Christian is
Sure I do. You're a death cultist. Staal is a death cultist. Adolf Hitler
was a death cultist. David Duke is a death cultist. Pat Robertson is a
death cultist. Jesse Jones is a death cultist.
Only you're just pretending. You don't actually believe else you would
drink.
km> that's obvious from the others that you claim were Christians.
km> Others like Hitler and the ones who conducted the Crusades,
km> Inquisition and the Witch hunts.
All Christians who share the same deadly ideologies you pretend to hold.
FR> But then we knew that all along, didn't we?
km> Poor deluded Fred, as many times as he's claimed to have read the Bible
km> you would think by now that he would know what a Christian really is.
Your problem is you've never read the mythologies. Another one of your
problems advancing an argument you don't believe in is the fact that you're
an atheist and am trying in desperation to escape.
km> Instead of trying to twist the scriptures around so
km> that he can show how a Christian isn't one.
You're not, really. In your heart you're an atheist.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Blanche Nonken
|Sub: Staal's test?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:30:46
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PID: FM 2.02
bn> Yet another test. Am I getting out?
How should we know? }:-} When was the last time you went out to dinner?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:33:52
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf237
PID: FM 2.02
dh> There is no "evidence" that God did or did not create the world.
FR> Before you can demand what your deity constructs did do and what they
FR> did not do, you must present evidence for the existance of these deity
FR> constructs of yours.
dh> False logic. Theories never require evidence to exist as theories.
You claimed an outrageous statement using conclusive wording. Reguardless
you presupposed the existance of deities and then used that presupposistion
to question whether it did or did not create the world. That's illogical
until you can present evidence for the existance of deities withwhich to
create or not create the world.
dh> Deity constructs are theories.
No, deity constructs are beliefs which don't fit the rigors of theory.
dh> Theories are developed to explain natural phenomena.
No, beliefs constructed to explain-away an ignorance.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dick Holm
|Sub: Stall Hates the fag! Hates the fag!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:35:23
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf238
PID: FM 2.02
FR> It's using deity constructs to JUSTIFY their hatred that I feel is
FR> worse than the hatred itself.
dh> Here I have to agree with you. What irks me, as a Christian,
Why would anyone believe in deity constructs when he admits there's no evidence
for them?
dh> is that I have to defend myself more from fellow-Christians
dh> than from anyone else.
Hatred and bigotry is a foundation of Christianity, though. Trying to change
it requires the total destruction of Christianity with the hopes that someone
a little more life-affirming will take its place.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: Staal's C PLUS TWO
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:40:00
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf239
PID: FM 2.02
MH>>> Al is operating from the assumption that a God exists who
mh>>> is capable of creating the universe.
HP>> An invalid assumption, of course (lack of evidence, remember? :-),
but
AS> The constants falling in the range they do, remember?
HP> Sure, Al -- and no one knows why, remember? :-)
AS> possible explanations
HP> Gods are totally unevidenced, remember? Hardly what one would term
a
HP> "possible explanation" as you lack an evidenced mechanism, remember?
as> Notice in the above Hector is arguing that it cannot be a
as> "possible explanation" if "you lack an evidenced mechanism".
No. In order for your assertion to be noticed, you should probably try
to post more of what Hector said otherwise you end up looking as dishonest
as always. And totally Christian, I might add.
as> Notice he is saying the exact OPPOSITE when it comes to a c+,
as> faster-than-light drive. There he defends the possibility without
as> even a HINT of an evidenced mechanism.
No he doesn't. Either quote what you're trying to deny, ignorant death
cultist fuck, else keep your yap shut. Hector knows full well that C+ is
a physical impossibility -- it's an absurdity. (Look up the word 'absurdity,'
you ignorant fuck, and you'll also learn that your fictional deity constructs
also fall into that pigeon hole.)
Let's try a little honesty next time, Al.
Thanks.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Staal's not Quality fundy time
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:41:01
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf23a
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get
fr> through here declined over the years? It seemed to me that
fr> at one time some fundies could at least formulate a minimal
fr> argument to justify their occultism. Now it seems that
fr> they're no longer even willing to try.
jp> They are just not wasting time on YOU.
But then you believe JFK is sill alive and will take over the planet with
Henry Kissinger. Your opinions are pretty much easilly ignored.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Hilling
|Sub: Staal doesn't get 15 minutes of fame
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:44:52
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf23b
PID: FM 2.02
> From: Charles Rollins
> To: Kris Okelly
cr> Hey Kris..one of the trashiest mouths on HOLYSMOKE lives here
cr> in good ole West Virginia in Milton to beat it all so beware,
cr> that stuff is now around here under the name of David Hilling.
"It hurts! It HURRRRRRRTS!"
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: LARRY SITES
|Sub: Staal probably subscribes to AOL
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:46:04
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf23c
PID: FM 2.02
ls> A little over a month ago, I cancelled my AOL membership
ls> because of their support for Focus on the Family.
I sent them a message yesterday after reading about their Christian hatred
and bigotry in Wired magazine.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't drink it either
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:46:45
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf23d
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> That was very wise of you -- provided you offer the provisal that _no_
FR> deities can be found with scientific method, not just your deity
FR> constructs.
km> Understand, I only recognize ONE God.
You don't believe in any deity constructs otherwise you would drink.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal would make a good Hitler too
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:47:56
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf23e
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PID: FM 2.02
FR> Ah, yes. The ole, "They weren't TRUE Christian" cop out. How typical.
FR> And when Adolf Hitler murdered millions of Jews because of his
fr> Christian beliefs, you false Christians glibly demand he wasn't a
fr> Christian even though the evidence is overwhelming.
km> Hitler was not a Christian.
The embarrassing truth debunks you:
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the
brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against
the Jewish poison.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look
on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness
and misery.
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
Published in "My New Order"
Quoted in "Freethought Today" April 1990
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal also believes in threats
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:49:03
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km>>> And if you do not believe in God, and accept what Jesus
km>>> did on the cross for you, you will regret it for the rest
km>>> of eternity in the lake of fire.
FR>> Ah, yes. The threat when reason is beyond you.
km>> No threats Fred, just facts.
FR> A _threat_ that cultists use when they find themselves incapable of
FR> _rationally_ discussing their undefendable occultism. Only the threat
FR> doesn't work against the better educated. They're not frightened of
FR> mental constructs held by others.
km> Not a threat, just facts.
You can't provide evidence for your death gods, Ken. That makes your petty
threats amusing, of course, but still threats nonetheless.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and you don't live science
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:50:35
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PID: FM 2.02
km>> Actually I love science, always have.
FR> Except when it debunks your occultism utterly.
km> Good thing I don't follow any occult.
That's what I've been telling you and also what we found out when you refuse
to drink the poison. And yet you waver back and forth. That's typical
of a fundy experiencing a crisis of faith.
We're here to help, of course.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and Ken: Make a guess
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:51:46
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km>>> It's not a threat, it's what I believe.
FR>> Because you're too frightened by your fictional constructs to think
FR>> rationally. You pretend to believe because you think the debunked
FR>> mythologies "just might be true" so you cover your ass.
km>> Frightened? By what?
FR> Your own death.
km> Why should I be afraid of that?
You're the only one who can answer that. For some reason you constructed
deities to escape the eventuality when there really is no escape. Only
we know you don't honestly believe.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and you: Hitler wannabees
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:54:02
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf242
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>>>> So how much of your money do
FR>>>> you give your cult masters, fool?
km>>>> Nothing, I have no cult masters.
FR>>> That's one way to convince yourself you're not being
fr>>> taken for a rube.
km>>> OK Fred, name my cult masters......
FR>> Isn't that something that _you_ need to do for yourself?
km>> What's the matter Fred, can't you do it?
FR> I suppose you want me to find out where you live and which
fr> cult houses you attend, then find out the names of your masters, right?
fr> Is that what you want? The names of your masters? Isn't that something
fr> that _you_ need to do for yourself?
km> Like I said, you can't tell me who these so called Masters are can you
km> Fred? You could find out where I live, you could find out what church
I
km> attend, but that still would not give you the name of masters that I
km> have here on earth.
Here you admit you know who your cult masters are and at the
same time you deny having any. Could that be because you don't actually
believe what they program into you?
km> Want to know why Fred? 'Cause I don't have any.
Sure you do, Ken. How much money are you in for?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and Ken: Homophbic bigots
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:57:28
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf243
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FR>>> Lovely. Christanic hatred and bigotry is just so disgusting.
km>>>>> Apparantly you know nothing about separation.
FR>>>> Yeah, I know all about bigots filled with hatred wanting
fr>>>> "seperation" from those they hate and fear. People just
FR>>>> like you, in fact, and friends of yours like David Duke.
km>>> Quite frankly Fred, there's noone here to hate or fear.
FR>> You have defended hatred and bigotry against homosexuals, Christian.
km>> Defended hatred and bigotry against homosexuals, no I have not.
FR> Perhaps you had best stop denying your own hatred and _FIX_ it.
km> Please show where I have defended the
km> hatred and bigotry against homosexuals.
You claim to be a Christian. (Though we all know you're not.) Since you
pretend to be a Christian, however, you get to be splattered with the hatred
and bigotry which is Christianity.
Your hatred and bigotry is expressesed above, silly. Read it again and
be embarrassed.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and you lack Judgement
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:59:09
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PID: FM 2.02
km>>> Evidence is not needed the Bible is.
FR>> A collection of anonymous forgeries which are
FR>> scientifically debunked in nearly all aspects.
km>> Must be some other Bible, there are quite a few of them
km>> that are not correct, can you tell me which one you read?
FR> Which cult did you join, Ken?
km> None.
Yep. You joined the Christanic death cult and eventually loss the faith
in such lunacy. You;ve invested far too much money, time, and emotional
investment in the death cult, however, to simply walk away. You're here
in HolySmoke to find the courage you lack to help you escape from the death
cult.
Let us help you, Ken.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal can't spell either
|Date: 03 Feb 96 12:59:48
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf245
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fe8c05
PID: FM 2.02
km>> Your wrong Fred
FR> Spell it "you're" from now on, ignorant cultist.
FR> Glad to help.
km> Oh, you're quite welcome Fred. 8-)
Being a pretend death cultist, I'm sure you'll not learn from your education.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and you believe in the occult
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:01:19
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PID: FM 2.02
km> BTW according to the Bible those that
The classical Christanic mythologies also claim the value of Pi is 3.0,
that bats are birds, that rabbits chew their cud, that deal people get up
and walk away, that global floods occure, that there are deities... The
list of debunked ignorance and superstition is endless.
Trying to use Wonder Woman comics to argue your ignorance is silly.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal probably also believes in McDowell
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:02:58
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf247
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PID: FM 2.02
FR>> Try to reason for once, Ken. Try to work outside your
fR>> petard for just a moment and _reason_ for once.
km>> I have reasoned, but you refuse to be reasoned with.
FR> Coming from someone to discards science when it proves him mistaken.
km> Coming from someone who twist everthing
km> that he can to disprove Christianity.
The Christanic death cult is evil by its own standards. Every time you
open your mouth you prove what Christianity is:
And again David if God asked me to kill my son, I would see
it as a sacrifice. Whether that is what is meant by you in
the question or not. I would see it as such. - Kenneth Mcabee
Witness why the Christanic death cult has the history it does.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and Ken: Hitler wannabees
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:05:42
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf248
REPLY: 1:271/460 30fe8ca6
PID: FM 2.02
fR>>> I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
FR>>> his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
FR>>> Are you just a liar or are you a liar for Jesus?
js>>> What has the above post to do with hatred and bigotry?
FR>> Perhaps your inability to see your own hatred and bigotry is
FR>> what your problem is. Certainly it's why the Christanic
FR>> death cult has the history it does.
km>> Wait a minute Fred, tell me exactly where
km>> does he say that he hates them?
FR> Wait a minute, Ken, tell me where exactly Hitler says he hates Jews?
km> Tell me Fred exactly where did Hitler say he was a Christian?
The number of speeches and documents are overwhelming and you must truely
be ignorant to have missed all of them. Amazing.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the
brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against
the Jewish poison.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look
on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness
and misery.
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
Published in "My New Order"
Quoted in "Freethought Today" April 1990
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal and Ken: Homophobic bigots
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:06:59
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf249
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PID: FM 2.02
fR>>> I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
FR>>> his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
FR>>> Are you just a liar or are you a liar for Jesus?
js>>> What has the above post to do with hatred and bigotry?
FR>> Perhaps your inability to see your own hatred and bigotry is
FR>> what your problem is. Certainly it's why the Christanic
FR>> death cult has the history it does.
km>> Wait a minute Fred, tell me exactly where
km>> does he say that he hates them?
FR> Wait a minute, Ken, tell me where exactly Hitler says he hates Jews?
km> Tell me Fred exactly where did Hitler say he was a Christian?
Now that you have been educated, I expect you not to make the same mistake
again. What we find is that your hatred and bigotry is no different than
your fellow Christian Adolf Hitler. What we find is that Christianity's
history is full and complete and that it shows exactly what Christianity
is.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal's a Promise Keeper bigot. Are you?
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:08:57
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf24a
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PID: FM 2.02
km>> And I guess that the only *true*
km>> reasoning is that goes along with yours?
FR> That's an incomplete sentence the meaning from which can't be
FR> unambiguiously extracted.
km> Tell you what, you keep reading it until
km> your "better educated" mind gets it.
Your intellectual superiors don't interpret the disjointed rantings of lunatics
and derive a conclusion which would be inaccurate. As such any meaning
I would derive from your disjointed ranting would be inaccurate.
Please try again.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Jesse's "Evil" is Staaling
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:17:56
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PID: FM 2.02
dw>> Maybe we ought to send him, as a belated Christmas present,
dw>> some of Noam Chomsky's essays, particularly the ones on
dw>> American foreign policy.
FR> I'm not familure with him/her, alas. I remember PBS examinations of
FR> American policy during the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's which were --
FR> from my perspective, at least -- very anti American policies.
dw> Chomsky was probably involved with those examinations.
I found the PBS examinations to be backed-up by actual government advertisements
where they tried to make homosexuals appear like perverts and anti-American
pinko commies.
dw> He takes a very dim view of American foreign policy
dw> (and in most cases, he's right on the money).
Who wouldn't? I can't condone blowing up brown babies just to get at one
despot when the despot can be taken out cleanly. Hitler was a case which
couldn't be gotten to easilly but Saddam certainly could have been.
dw> He treads perilously close to conspiracy theory for my taste, though.
That's a detriment.
dw> Jesse'd have a shit-fit.
FUCK that Goat-damned lawyer. He's one of the reasons why the United States
is in the shape it is. Letting criminals out on the street to rape and
kill again is part of Jesse's self-chosen profession. Then the FUCK complains
when I state I would hunt down and kill the murder of my son. I'm starting
to firmly believe that shotting all the fucking lawyers would be a good
first step.
His swallowing of the government propaganda is due to his ignorance and
occult beliefs.
FR> Now we've got the Religious Reich who were once ranting about
FR> "communists destroying the American way of life" who are today
FR> demanding the end of the Constitution in favor of a Christanic
FR> pantheon theocracy.
FR> Amazing.
dw> Amazing that Christians don't see the
dw> contradiction inherent in their position?
Yes. "The parting on the left is now the parting on the right..."
dw> Whyever would you say that? People who can't see the
dw> contradiction between "Jesus died for your sins" and "Jesus
dw> Lives" wouldn't recognize a contradiction if you hit them
dw> with a Kenworth shaped like a square triangle.
I can understand the contradiction but I STILL find it amazing. (I also
would be willing to bet one of these fundies would demand they could make
a square triangle with enough faith.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Staal still swings through the trees
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:19:32
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf24c
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fd71f4
PID: FM 2.02
hp>>> Makes it easier to play "follow the leader."
FR>> Is that an evolutionary benefit?
hp>> We be tribal animals, remember?
FR> You're saying that tribal warfare helps a species
fr> advance physically and technologically?
dw> Sure it does, Fred. If it wasn't for the advances we'd acheived as
a
dw> means to kill others, later finding a peaceful use for them, we'd still
dw> be living in caves thinking that thunder was caused by the gods.
Okay, that makes a great deal of sense. There is also a great deal of joy
in bashing The Others over the heads with something heavy -- like a deadly
ideology, for instance, or a cruise missle of B-52. I guess if we didn't
drive off The Others in the past, food sources would have disappeared quickly.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jesus Christ
|Sub: Staal fucks daddy too, sure.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:21:41
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf24d
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fd726d
PID: FM 2.02
jc>>> Bugger off, you ignorant little pustule.
jc>>> BTW, you're going to Hell.
FR>> Hey, you got any _evidence_ for that fictional
FR>> construct of yours MISTER Christ?!
jc>> I'm a *GOD*, for my sake! What the hell else do you want?
FR> How about you take care of people like Jesse,
FR> Hardy, and your worse enemy, Staal?
jc> Daddy won't let me smite people.
FUCK daddy. Just DO IT for your own sake.
jc> He keep all the fun shit for himself and make me hang
jc> out with lepers and cheap whores. I'll put in a good
jc> word for you, though.
But I'm already "in tight" that that bastard.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Staal's not Quality fundy time either
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:23:20
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf24e
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 30fd743f
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Is it just my perception or has the quality of fundy we get through
FR> here declined over the years? It seemed to me that at one time some
FR> fundies could at least formulate a minimal argument to justify their
FR> occultism. Now it seems that they're no longer even willing to try.
dw> I think we're finally making a dent in their reserves. Give us
dw> two hundred more years, and we'll be facing "Tim Allen" grunters.
Yes, I think that all of FidoNet has learned about the hurtful truth here
at HolySmoke and perhaps Undernet will learn the hurtful truth about #holysmoke
as well.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Staal's Mirage
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:25:19
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf24f
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012@fidonet AD2460F8
PID: FM 2.02
> From- The Churchman's HUMAN QUEST
> 1074 - 23rd Avenue North
Interesting. Death cultist bigots using a hate magazine ranting about Christian
racist bigotry endorsed by Catholics.
Lovely. Christianity has something deadly for everyone.
BTW ignorant death cultist fuck: Don't EVER put a carriage return in the
subject line of the header. Do it again and I will ask your deity constructs
to smite you.
Thanks.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Staal's Ignorance 5:3-11
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:27:01
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf250
REPLY: 1:157/200 32120381
PID: FM 2.02
hp> We be tribal animals, remember?
FR> You're saying that tribal warfare helps a species
FR> advance physically and technologically?
kdm> Yeah, actually. Look at many of our recent technological
kdm> advancements, such as space flight and the Internet.
It seems to make a great deal of sense, yes.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Aryan National Front
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:28:17
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf251
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1f9
PID: FM 2.02
[...cuts...] Thanks for the background.
FR> Did you ever see a PBS special called, "Blood on the Face?"
rj> Sure haven't. Saw one on HBO a few months ago, but I can't
rj> remember the name offhand.
The show covers a bunch of right-wing racist Christians who are obsessed
with guns and the "nigger conspiracy."
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Received Threat / Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:29:54
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf252
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1fc
PID: FM 2.02
rj> The problem is, they lust to send their children off to
rj> slaughter. It makes them feel "godlike".
FR> Just like the Children's Crusade of 1212.
rj> Or the Children's Crusade of 1337-1453, or the Children's
rj> Crusade of 1618-1648, or the Children's Crusade of... :-I
I need to compile a table of the body counts and the dates that are described
in the book "Holy Horrors." It would be a good addition to the files here.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: HolySmoke Convention: Staal will come
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:31:29
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf253
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe1ff
PID: FM 2.02
FR> By the way: Do you think you might be able to make it to a HolySmoke
FR> convention sometime this August if it's held somewhere hear Dallas?
rj> That sounds like a plan. Not in competition w/DFest, though?
FR> Either the week before or the week after, with the focus on a week end.
rj> I'd kinda like to make it to one or both this year. Can't
rj> make any definite plans, even if I do have 8 months to mull
rj> it over.
It's going to be in Las Vegas. I'll be posting the plans on Monday, I think.
And there's another one the East Coast which will take place at the same
time and we'll video conference the two.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Staal-stealing
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:36:35
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf254
REPLY: 1:390/87.0 30ffe201
PID: FM 2.02
FR> KCET's show played hiss and pop with undifferenciated noise which
FR> could reasonably be identified as voices. After computer processing
FR> they played the result and isolated conversations could be heard.
rj> How much does technology (and data storage/processing) like
rj> that cost? I would assume at present, it's only affordable
rj> for specific targets--not a general purpose snoop?
I don't know. If it's Geosynchronous then it must be placed above certain
cities which means there must be many of them to cover a large area. I
would expect that all of them feed into a central data processing center
which extracts the signal from the noise. The computer power on board the
spacecraft wouldn't be that much, I would guess.
If it's not Geosynchronous, contact time is a problem. MIR 5 is overhead
for 90 seconds every 93 minutes or so. My packet TNC hears it go overhead
but it's not around long enough to sign into its BBS when there are many
other people signed in. (I've connected to the Soviet BBS and signed in
once.)
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jen Barrett
|Sub: god=hoax staal=bigot
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:37:40
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf255
REPLY: 1:18/73.0 8910B6D1
PID: FM 2.02
jd> Show me concrete proof that there is a god.
There is none. There's no evidence either.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Staal == True Fuck
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:40:37
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf256
PID: FM 2.02
JB> I'm beginning to think the 'S' in Lon S. Mabon stand
JB> for Staal. And has all along.
JS> For one who has me twitted, you getting smarter all along...
LB> *sigh* Is that an admission, finally?
I think several 'Smokers have known all along that Staal was Mabon.
jb> If this is not an admission of the evil intent of this person toward
jb> someone who was grieving and in pain, I don't know what is.
What's Shelby's problem? And what did this True Christian fuck say to him?
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Free Jim Staal!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:45:28
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf258
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8cf
PID: FM 2.02
DC> Well, the idiot at least admitted that he is Lon S. Mabon. Perhaps
js> ^^^^^^^^^( meaning Dan)
That's pretty childish, Promise Keeper. You admitted you are the racist
bigot that goes under the assumed name "Mabon." Most of us knew it already,
however.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:47:14
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf259
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e7dd
PID: FM 2.02
ML> No, you stupid fuck. The quote is: "I love the smell of napalm
ML> in the morning. It smells like victory". Robert Duvall, on the
ML> beach, in "Apocalypse {note the spelling, you "English Major"
ML> dipshit} Now".
ML> Get it right, for the first time in your fetid little
ML> trischizophrenic life.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> OK. ENOUGH _IS_ INDEED ENOUGH! LUMP IS NO ENGLISH MAJOR, YOU ONE ARMED
js> PAPER HANGING TWIT! _I_ WAS THE ENGLISH MAJOR! Give it a rest,
js> already, will ya?
You claimed you were, you ignorant fuck.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: If ya' liked it once, you'll love it twice.
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:48:19
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25a
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d1
PID: FM 2.02
LaM> they were operating on a chimp, weren't they?...Or was
LaM> that a chump....Oh well, same thing!
ML> So. Those stitches heal up yet?
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Hey , ya know this is kind of fun, just slamming each other....
"Slamming?" Hardly. Your intellectual superiors are trying to _help_ you
overcome your mental problems, silly.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Homosexual Christians
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:49:41
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25b
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d0
PID: FM 2.02
Lu> .......AAhhh, Mister Ceppa, we're right back at square one where we
Lu> first began 4mths ago,
DC> Hardly suprising, as you haven't yet found the starting blocks.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> ...Ohh, I found them alright but, you and your fellow intelligent
js> swollen members insisted to knock them down to the ground and start
js> all over with a more disgruntled crew......
Do you also hate homosexuals to the point where you would remove their rights
to exist in the United States?
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal RULES!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:50:34
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d2
PID: FM 2.02
Lu> ....Nope, I'm the brother......
DC> Congradulations, that makes you an uncle again, of yet another monkey.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> .....nope, still the brother.......I'm an uncle to many fine
js> neices and nephews though...
Since you went off your medication, you don't know _WHO_ you are.
The people in this forum are only trying to help you, Jim.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colors
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:51:56
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25d
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d4
PID: FM 2.02
ml> in "Apocalypse {note the spelling, you "English Major" dipshit} Now".
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> ....never professed to being an english major, Smarty pants...
Yes you did, Jim. Sadly the archives weren't officially started soon enough
to catch that lie.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lumpster lives Lump.Lump.Lump.Lump.Lump.Lump.Lump
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:53:23
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25e
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3109c8d6
PID: FM 2.02
SR> Well...Mr. Lumpy Gravy has stuck his eternally smelly-foot up his
SR> crack with that mistake. We'll just add it to his growing collection
SR> of fundy fuck-ups.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js>....Never said I was perfect in fact I'm just as much a sinner as
js> you and as imperfect also.....well, maybe not that bad.
Just because you're an ignorant, hate-filled bigot doesn't mean that everyone
else must be just to make you look better. (And if it hurts you and embarrasses
you to the point where you have to pretend, perhaps that should be telling
you something.)
Only the believers in the occult can "sin." The better educated are incapable
of "sinning."
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:55:02
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf25f
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3108e881
PID: FM 2.02
Lu> ...Yeah, I told him that in a few different ways and vivid
Lu> words......
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Excellent! There is a _big_ difference between
js> you, me and pop, and george and his father.
That's an aspect of your mental problem. Take your medication and eventually
you might start to be able to discern differences in your alternate personalities.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Free Jim Staal!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 13:59:13
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110bf260
REPLY: 1:228/500.0 3108e883
PID: FM 2.02
dc> He's claiming he has a new GIF that shows him and his inbred
dc> brother in it. If it's real, my guess is that it's his twin
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
js> Yeah...like the amazing 'Furd' brothers Rice...
Fact is that I frighten you greatly. Fact is that women who think for themsleves
also frightens you. The reason that I frighten you so greatly is because
I have successfully rubbed your face in some VERY hurtful truths about your
death cult and its mythologies which you can't ignore.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:03:07
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e055c
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e2
PID: FM 2.02
RS> What do you have to lose, Jimmy? Just think, if you could
RS> convince me you'd have one more on your side.
That's true.
JS> I guess there is nothing further to discuss here, Ryan.
js> Thanks for the common decency, however.
In other words you KNOW you're full of shit.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> I guess that you don't have any evidence, and therefore probably
PS> suspect that your book of myths is just that.
js> And I think you know better than that, Preston.
You prove the fact, Staal, by not posting evidence. That shows you to be
an ignorant superstitious fuck who's too frightened of his own death to
do anything but hope that deities exist reguardless.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:05:37
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e055d
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e3
PID: FM 2.02
JS> Hmmm...doesn't sound like my church. Not all churches are of this
JS> nature. The ones that are alive and growing do not resemble this in
JS> age, dress or format.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> And how do you know? Have you made a thorough study of every church
in
PS> this world? Is there some standard for "alive and growing" churches
S> that is passed out amongst the faithful in Christendom?
js> No
In other words you're admitting you lied.
Fact is that Christanic death cult membership is dropping across the board
and that only the old are still clinging to the occult. After you die,
Promise Keeper, yours will be among the last generation of death cultists.
The Christanic death cult will take new directions, of course. Let's hope
that it's not the heaven for homophobic bigots like you.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lynda goes over...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:06:18
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e055e
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e4
PID: FM 2.02
RJ> Especially since she clearly shows NO intention of rejecting
RJ> her Christianic beliefs.
JS> Her 'theology' demonstrates that in some ways she already has...
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> Are you now the final arbiter of who is a Christian and who is not?
js> No. I leave that up to the Bible, Preston...
And get debunked by doing so every time.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Rattle...
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:07:46
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e055f
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e5
PID: FM 2.02
JS> Oh...feigning ignorance is a sin, is it?
RJ> Mightn't that come under the shadow of "false witness"?
JS> Maybe...but admitting your ignorance (when you just had to reach over
JS> and grab the dictionary from your desk) just to rile the folks a bit
JS> isn't...
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> Actually, it is. It falls under the category of leading others into
PS> sin.
js> And what is the sin in not reaching for your dictionary...?
To judge by your posts, it would seem opening a dictionary, opening an encyclopedia,
or visiting the local public library is a "sin."
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Select this!
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:10:42
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e0560
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e6
PID: FM 2.02
RJ> How about we just start calling you a freethinker with a
RJ> decent streak observable without the use of an electron
RJ> microscope? Will you start acting like one? Or are you,
RJ> indeed, "selective about this"?
JS> Like Preston says, I'm selective about this...
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> I was merely presenting what you yourself had said. Too bad you lacked
PS> the honesty to quote that portion of the message. How does it feel to
PS> lie for the Lord?
js> If you have any evidence for this claim, please produce
js> it or keep your vile charges to yourself.
Your dishonesty is pretty much established in this forum, Staal, to the
point where you're only lying to yourself.
#1 You claim you're not a homophobic bigot
#2 You demand evidence which proves you are a homophobic bigot
#3 Your own words are posted back to you
#4 You demand you didn't write the words attributed to you
Lying to yourself is sick. Justifying it with deity constructs is worse.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Preston joins the 'better educated'
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:11:43
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e0561
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e7
PID: FM 2.02
KW> Bro Jim is mealy mouthed. He doesn't even have the balls to call you
KW> a bitch if he gets riles, he'll get all prissy and call you a b***h.
JS> B***h!
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> At least you could have the balls to say "Bitch!" Or are you too much
PS> of a fucking coward for that, you low-lived piece of human filth?
js> You really _are_ one of the better educated, aren't you, Pressy-boy?
The embarrassing fact is that he doesn't believe in the fictional deity
constructs whereas you do. That makes him FAR better educated and intelligent
than you.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 03 Feb 96 14:14:15
MSGID: 1:102/890.666@FidoNet 110e0562
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e8
PID: FM 2.02
LB> (G) Considering the company that places me in, I will gladly accept
LB> the title. Odd how "blasphemer" seems to mean "won't go along with my
LB> particular brand of lunacy". I guess Jim thinks he's God.
JS> You are in error.
Greetings, Staal! Which one of you have I contacted this time?
PS> The available evidence suggests otherwise.
js> Would you please produce this alleged 'evidence'?
You created your deity constructs and then gave them all the attributes
that you hold, using them to justify your hatred and bigotry. We can all
see that, Staal, with each one of your posts.
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* Origin: Storm the halls of Pinkness take back your Slack! (1:102/890.666)
|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: persevere
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:21:48
EID:be3b 20396aa0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e8
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3102a4db
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "persevere"
LB> (G) Considering the company that places me in, I will gladly accept
LB> the title. Odd how "blasphemer" seems to mean "won't go along with my
LB> particular brand of lunacy". I guess Jim thinks he's God.
JS> You are in error.
PS> The available evidence suggests otherwise.
Would you please produce this alleged 'evidence'?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Rattle...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:23:30
EID:ec8c 20396ae0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0e9
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3102a50d
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Rattle..."
LB> Yes, Jim, feigning ignorance (as opposed to simply holding your peace)
LB> is a a lie, and that is a sin.
JS> Ok, how about deliberately posting the fact that maybe you don't
JS> understand the meaning of a given expression/term/word just for the
JS> sake of getting a rise out of the 'better educated'?
PS> See a previous message to you. Falls under the category of leading
PS> others into sin. Stop trying to plea-bargain, Jim. It's disgusting when
PS> you haven't the integrity to admit that you fucked up and you know it.
I don't _think_ so, Preston. I didn't understand the term. I was honest
and admitted it. I could have lied, moved my hand over a foot or so and
grabbed the dictionary that always resides on my desk and kept my mouth
shut. I elected not to do that.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: HA!?
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:24:39
EID:31bb 20396b00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ea
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> Perfect? Hardly. But I didn't make the mistake of claiming a standard
PS> that I couldn't keep without fucking up at least twice a day, now did
PS> I?
Really? You claim to be a human being. Yet you fail to show one ounce of
compassion.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Doktor Leipzig...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:25:52
EID:c0c0 20396b20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0eb
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> missed it, didn't you, smart guy...
PS> "The Gurkha swung and seemed to miss, until the German threw back his
PS> head to laugh."
PS> Pick up your head, Jimmy.
JS> Sounds like a line from some cheap 'Highlander' flick...
PS> Actually, it's a true story. But I expected no less of you than to
PS> rely on the 'tube for your cultural education.
Uh huh...as recorded by what mythologist?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Archaism...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:27:29
EID:0416 20396b60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ec
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> Implying that the KJV is not really the word of God, Jim?
JS> Wouldn't dream of it, sir.
PS> Then why the need to rely on the NIV when anyone who can read English
PS> can understand the KJV perfectly well?
Then why is it you never really got the picture?
PS> Pyloctomy,
JS> Poured over the old F&W on the john for hours for that one, didn't
JS> you, Pres?
PS> You'd like to think so, but it sprang to mind instantly.
I don't think so. It probably isn't evil so it did not spring to your
mind instantly...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:28:37
EID:287b 20396b80
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ed
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Two things you cannot grasp and haven't a clue:
JS> a. faith
JS> b. miracles
PS> The solution:
PS> Ockham's Razor.
PS> Well, that was quick. Got anything else you'd like to send over, or
PS> was that painful enough?
Huh!? Wha!?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Joy...in salvation...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:30:30
EID:80c9 20396bc0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ee
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> You are no more a True Christian than I am a mathematical genius
PS> with eidetic memory.
JS> I said nothing about me being a true Christian. My answer reflected
JS> the Biblical point of view, which would be the true Christian's point
JS> of view.
PS> Whew! Nice dodge.
Thank you. :)
JS> BTW, how could a mathamatic genius have an 'idiotic' memory?
PS> Never mind. I could explain, but you wouldn't understand.
Yeah...you are the humorless one. And people think church is boring. The
plight of the 'better educated' takes the cake...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Christianity...today.
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:40:29
EID:b163 20396d00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ef
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Have I ever mentioned that I find your use of that 'h' word to be
JS> personally offensive? It is quite hypocritical of you to be
JS> continuingly calling me that.
PS> Yes, frequently, and no, it isn't. One of the tenets of my standard
is
PS> that I call attention to those who conspicuously and repeatedly
PS> violate their own with no attempt to rectify their behavior. Keep
PS> trying, hypocrite.
Check out the mirror sometime, angry man...
PS> Christians who uphold the Bible? Well, that's one list that you aren't
PS> on.
JS> Hello!? I hold the Bible up to you and the others on this echo all
JS> the time.
PS> See previous reference to the Judaic laws that you do not apparently
PS> follow, then get back to me about "upholding the Bible." If you'd like
PS> to talk about upholding the gospel, then you might have a better
PS> shot--though I doubt it.
Jesus fulfilled those Judaic laws. I am no longer under them.
JS> Everybody has their days, Preston. :)
PS> Fuck your days. D'you think Jesus cares about whether you're a
PS> weak-willed sap who is only a fair-weather follower of his claimed
PS> standard? Is your slipshod performance and outright violation of
PS> Biblical teachings going to let you get into Heaven unopposed?
Show me these alleged 'violations'.
PS> They don't preach a gospel of "Children of pagan
PS> parents go to hell."
JS> Must be...Paul does.
PS> Paul is not God, is he?
Nope. God moved his hand to write, however...II Tim 3:16
JS> They also preach a message of consistancy, not of moral relativity.
JS> BTW, where do you get this 'hatred and bigotry' stuff? Fred?
PS> Your treatment of Gwen and the other women here who dare to speak
PS> their minds isn't a beacon of love and acceptance, hypocrite.
Nowhere do I read of this acceptance, oh rageful one...
JS> I fear no one here. I have no righteousness of my own. Where do you
PS> ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^
PS> I doubt this. As for the righteousness bit, you've hit the nail on the
PS> head--and you continue to be bereft of goodness, kindness,
PS> intelligence, or any of the other virtues of thoughtful humanity.
You are describing yourself as well, Preston. Have I mentioned 'do you
_ever_ look in the mirror, oh ye of mighty insoluble rage?
JS> get this stuff? Where do you get off saying that Christianity is a
JS> religion designed to comfort people? Have you never read the words of
JS> Jesus?
PS> Have you never studied history? Have you never heard of what life was
PS> like back then? Have you never read the words, "Suffer the little
PS> children to come unto me"? Have you never seen the phrase, "Love thy
PS> neighbor as thyself"? Have you never once in your god-forsaken life
PS> ever reached out to comfort the forlorn, instead of attacking them
PS> because they don't share your religion and demanding that they be
PS> subservient because they are of a different sex?
All the time.
PS> You are an abomination, Jim. If ever the anti-Christ walked the earth,
PS> he did it in you and your actions here.
Judge not, Preston...
JS> He pointed out the evil of his day, used the Word of God to back it
up
JS> and rightfully condemnded it. I am condemned and hated and called
JS> names and ridiculed and accused falsely for merely reminding folks of
JS> this.
PS> And yet you completely neglect the entire point of Christianity, which
PS> is a story about God's love for humanity.
How can you dwell on this 'gospel of warm fuzzies' and ignore the
'sword'.
PS> You harp on the little bits,
Name these 'little bits'!
PS> you quibble over fine scriptural points,
Define these 'fine scriptural points'!
PS> and you carelessly and with no
PS> regard for simple human dignity steamroll on in your invincible
PS> ignorance, smashing any who happen to get in your way.
Who? How? When?
PS> If your god does exist, and I do meet him when I die,
You will...maybe even before...
PS> I will be sure
PS> to cite you by name as a reason for not rejoining the fold. Live with
PS> that on your conscience, Jim. You have helped ensure that, according
to
PS> your beliefs, someone who might have been saved will be sent to hell.
And He will tell you the truth: You were witnessed to, you rejected it
on your own angry volition and now must pay the penalty.
PS> My hat's off to you, Staal. I'd never expected to meet such a monster
PS> as you.
JS> How can you sleep at night? You are so full of rage...
PS> Drop your "offended" act, boyo. You haven't seen me enraged, and you
PS> won't. You are not important enough for me to be angry.
No offense received or perceived. You should seek professional help for
your pent up rage before you go _completely_ over the edge.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Staal RULES!
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:42:04
EID:84fe 20396d40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0f0
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> No you don't. You just sit on your fat ass and bitch about people who
PS> *do* try when all you want to do is fear people.
JS> Hello!? Who am I b***hing about that are trying to do what the Bible
JS> says?
PS> Never mind. I'd tell you, but you'd go and get all pompous again.
Answer the question!
PS> Who made you God?
Who made _you_ god? At least I have His Word to back me up. You just
make your 'judgements' out f thin air.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Berndt
|Sub: SATAN!?
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:32:13
EID:80ad 203a0c00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0f1
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Robert Berndt to Jim Staal <=-
LC> "Do what thou wilt."
RB> Interesting tag line. Are you a satanist? I recognize it from the
RB> satanic bible.
I have never heard of nor would I ever read the satanic bible. As you
and Ray Charles could clearly see, the initials belong to 'LC>', Luke
Clark. Had it been my quote, it would have clearly read 'JS>' _not_ 'LC>'.
Thanks for asking, however, and have a great day, blessed by God.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 25 Jan 96 23:13:29
EID:520b 2039b9a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0f2
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> Good afternoon! To which personality am I writing this afternoon?
JS> Jim Staal. You know, the guy to whom you addressed the post. What gives
JS> with this 'standard' greeting every one seems to have for me lately...
SQ> Just wanted to make certain that our messages make it to the right
SQ> place. :)
As long as they are addressed to 'Jim Staal' I'm sure they will get here
(unless you are Al Schroeder, in which case they will get to everyone
else _but_ me.)
JS> THAT'S IT!!!! Stand by for JimLump.gif...coming soon to a BBS near you...
SQ> Well get moving! The planets have lined up, and I'm in a good mood
SQ> lately. :)
I am, I am. I just have to find one or take one.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Steve, we disagree...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 23:16:25
EID:df62 2039ba00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0f3
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> On 18 Jan 96 08:26pm, Jim Staal wrote to Steve Quarrella:
SQ> Just don't get mad when someone calls you a bigot with a Bible, as the
SQ> adjective describes you perfectly.
JS> You are in error, sir, and we disagree...
SQ> Hey, I'm just being HONEST. This is my way of showing love and asking
SQ> that you improve yourself. :)
I can understand that you, as well as I, are doing the best you can,
under the circumstances. That is why I am being my usual congenial, good
natured, excellent humored self and saying 'we disagree'. You are
entitled to your opinion and I...well, as I know the subject matter (Jim
Staal) infinitly better than thou, I shall cherish my opinion a bit
more...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: perseverance of the saints...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 23:22:26
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I don't know of any 'fairy tale believing bretheren'. I merely was
JS> suggesting that rather than hash this out where individuals such as
JS> yourself might mock and scoff, we might discuss this in an area devoid
JS> of such mockers and scoffers, Dave.
DR> You betcha. She can go over to an area where everyone agrees. Kinda
DR> defeats the idea of debate, don't you think?
Believe me, in Holy Bible II everyone does _not_ agree. :)
JS> Sure: (Rom 12:2 NIV) Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this
JS> world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will
JS> be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and
JS> perfect will.
DR> There's that frigging word again: perfect. Can't you strive for
DR> perfection in yourself without depending on a superfriend? All this
DR> passage says is: "renew yourself, but do it God's way".
The verse says God's will is perfect, Dave. What this passage says is
don't shape your mind to think like the world does, but rather, like God
does. By doing so, you will be able to determine how God would have you
live your life.
DR> You're only defeating your purpose by quoting Bible verse.
And my purpose is...? (in your opinion)
JS> I know, Dave, but this is the bestseller of all time.
DR> This always makes me laugh. So if you were to apply this to music,
DR> does this make the Beatles the best musicians that ever existed? I
DR> think not.
Who says they are the best sellers of music?
DR> Do you have a source for your "bestseller" theory? I'd like to see
DR> it. I'll bet it's over 20 years old.
Would you believe I saw it in an ad selling Bibles? :)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: new kid...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 23:34:29
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Oh, some atheist pagans have attempted to discredit the
JS> Word by taking things out of their intended context and meaning,
DR> This is hilarious.
JS> Why are you laughing, Dave?
DR> Because Christians really crack me up. They lump everyone together
DR> that doesn't believe in their superfriends and quick-fix morality,
I didn't lump everyone together, Dave. I was quite specific about who
and what I was talking about.
DR> The Word? Whose "Word" is it, Jim?
JS> God's word, Dave...
DR> Oh? He spoke to you personally?
Daily, Dave, through His written word and Holy Spirit.
DR> Context and
DR> Meaning are words that don't apply to the Bible.
JS> Oh really? Reason?
DR> However, as a
DR> book about how to live, its message is weak in the 20th century.
Really? Could you give me some examples of where the message is weak in
the 20th century?
DR> Why?
Yeah...why...
DR> Because the end of the book ends with the end of the world, and
DR> everyone who doesn't live by what the book teaches is cast into
DR> oblivion. Pretty scary, if you're willing to believe an old fairy tale
DR> and base your morals on it.
That makes the message weak? If you could, please be a little more
specific about the weakness in the message regarding living in the 20th
century.
DR> But I don't care to live my life in fear of something that, following
DR> simple logic and science, doesn't exist.
So who lives their life in fear?
JS> I use the term genericly, Dave...atheist/pagan, atheist pagans,
JS> non-believing participants of HolySmoke...
DR> Well, I am not a pagan, I'm not anything, where religion is
DR> concerned. I'm not an unbeliever, because there has to be something
to
DR> believe in to begin with.
Why of course there is something to believe in: God, Jesus Christ,
Buhddah, Koresh, Easter Bunny, Santa, Satan. Things don't necessarily
have to exist in the real world to be believed in. Things you can see
(money, TV, your car, etc.) do not require faith (believing in, if you
will). Therefore, one who believes in nothing would be a _non_ believer,
fair enough?
DR> What a shame. They weren't able to jump start your intellectual
DR> processes.
JS> Gee, you have read a few posts here from your intellectual equals,
JS> haven't you? You've got the club nomenclature down pat.
DR> Cute. What's the matter, getting to you? Good.
Not at all. I merely pointing out your unnecessary seeds of rudeness
beginning to develop.
JS> Again, see my previous statement. I have only one master, Dave and He
JS> is God in the person of Jesus Christ. I do my own thinging.
DR> I doubt that if anyone or anything IS your master, you do your own
DR> thing or thinking for that matter.
When a person does something because he wants to do it, it is his own
thing, Dave. When you do something because you _have_ to (likein prison
or the military) then you become one who does not do his/her own thing.
(unless, of course, you desire that sort of regimen)
DR> Sorry, spiritual matters aren't that cut and dried for me.
No problem. I can live with that.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: Fundies Are Wonderful Folks
|Date: 25 Jan 96 23:49:19
EID:d221 2039be20
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Two things:
JS> a. my church is not run by a minister or ministers. It is run by
JS> a council of my peers. there is no hierarchy.
DR> Oh, you don't have a pastor? I have news for you, anytime someone
DR> makes decisions for the group, be it a "council" or a minister, there
DR> is a hierarchy no matter what you want to label it.
JS> Nope. No more than your gods Willie and Hillie consitute the United
JS> States hierarchy...
DR> Oh, please. You have a habit of responding with typical Dittohead
DR> statements.
Nah...no habit. I just threw that in there. :)
DR> I'll bet you've got every Rush show taped, don't you?
EAUW! Perish the thought! Now if G. Gordon or the Black Avenger had a
show...
DR> I'm sure if your perfect superfriend God(tm) existed, he wouldn't
DR> want your money or your gratitude.
JS> Hmmm...then why would He request I give it?
DR> "He" personally asked you for it? Ooooookay...
Well, let's say I take it quite personally...
(Mal 3:10 NIV) Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there
may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and
see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so
much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
(Col 3:16 NIV) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach
and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns
and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
DR> Tell me, does your group do anything for the community? Like feed the
DR> homeless?
Certainly, Dave. Does yours? Do you? We provided gifts for children in
our area this Christmas whose parent is in the slammer, turkey dinners
at two of the local rescue mission/homeless shelters in our area,
provide support throughout the year for these same missions, provide for
the hungry in various parts of the world, dispatch individuals and
groups to build and rebuild homes and buildings in various parts of our
country and the globe where needed as well many, many other things. (I
would not have mentioned any of this because we are merely doing our
Christian duty, but you asked...) and this is just my church. We do
things through our denomination as well.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:35:47
EID:55ee 203a0c60
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
JS>> Not only irritated, but down right hurt. My human nature then
JS>> begins to question the motive/faith of said Christian. I hate when
JS>> that happens as it requires self-chastisement on my part to avoid
JS>> doing so.
JP>> For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of
JP>> God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for
JP>> those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Pet. 4:17
JS> Apparently you did not read what I said to the brother Prewett in the
JS> first paragraph of this post. Note the last sentence...
DR> You mean the self-chastisement? Judging yourself in God's eyes, i.e.
DR> the way your christian bretheren? No thanks.
I do not understand what you mean by 'Judging yourself in God's eyes, i.e.
the way your christian bretheren?' but I was making reference to
beating myself up because I had thoughts of judging someone else.
JS> (1 John 3:21 NIV) Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us,
JS> we have confidence before God
DR> Aside from being a comma splice, this is a very self-serving passage.
JS> In what manner? It speaks of self examination...not self serving,
JS> Dave...
DR> True, it does speak of self-examination. However, it says that the
DR> results of that self-examination should include god. That's what I
DR> mean by self-serving.
It just means that after being enriched and enlightened by the word and
through prayer, if we can look into our innermost self (the spiritual
'heart') and not find anything outstanding, anything that causes us to
feel guilt, then we have confidence before God. I don't know about
others, but I have not yet reached that level of confidence by self
examination. It is only by faith in the spiritual fact that the
sacrifice of Jesus can and does cleanse one from those confessed and
repented from things that surface during the self examination that gives
me any confidence at all.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: is Dave Ray really...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:09:10
EID:bf69 203a0120
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
KM>> Attended a watch night service at church. Pastor asked a bunch
KM>> of us to preach that night, about 5 minutes each. Had a blast,
KM>> skits, singing, preaching (listen as well as teaching), games
JS> Actually, the brother Mcabee was talking about doing something a bit
JS> different than what might be considered the norm.
DR> And what might that be?
Well a watch night service (new year's eve party) is a bit different
than the normal service usually. It quite often takes on more of a
celebratory air and is certainly a bit less structured than the average
service. :)
JS> BTW, do you violently barf when you brush your teeth or take a shower
JS> or go to the dentist or doctor for a checkup, or thank someone for
JS> doing a good thing to/for you? I didn't think so. This is what the True
JS> Christian is doing spiritually when he/she attends a church service.
DR> This sounds like something out of a laughable sermon.
Nah. Just the facts from the Bible, sir...
DR> So a person is being kind to themselves by going to church? Sounds
DR> like somethng a preacher would say.
Surely you flatter me, sir.
DR> I can think of a lot more ways to be kind to myself.
I didn't say that would be the way everyone would be kind to
themselves. I was talking about Christians...you know, 'church people'.
Not every one considers going to the gym and exercising and throwing
cast iron around for a couple of hours being kind to themselves, but I
do. I like it. To the bookworm, a trip to Schuler's is being kind to
themselves. Not my personl bag. To the necrophiliac, a trip to the
mortuary after hours. No appeal here either. Different strokes, ya know?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: Blinded me with science...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:11:43
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
DR> Interesting how the Christian Death cult has so much to say about
DR> "rebellion" against God and the consequences thereof.
JS> I know nothing of this 'death cult' you speak of, but everything in
JS> Lon's post is found right in the Bible.
DR> No shit. But don't try to pretend that Christianity isn't an offshoot
DR> of the ancient death cults. Educated people know better.
Well, Dave, I have tried to avoid this...but...if you have evidence to
support this claim, I would like to see it. First name the 'death cults'
and then show from scripture that Christianity is an offshoot.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dave Ray
|Sub: wrapped up like a deuce...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:21:26
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-=> Quoting Dave Ray to Jim Staal <=-
LSM> There would be only one reason to, Martin: that the Holy
LSM> Spirit would put it in your heart to do so.
DR> No, your pastor did. You just can't think enough to do it yourself.
JS> I believed long before I understood or cared about listening to a word
JS> my pastor (who ever it was at the time) was saying...
DR> So did your parents teach you this? More than likely. Nothing against
DR> your parents (or a friend, or whoever it was) but I'm sure they meant
DR> well.
No doubt, my believing parents instructed me in Biblical truths (as well
as brought me to church, church school and private Christian schools)
but it was God Himself, in the presence of the Holy Spirit who caused me
to believe.
LSM> Such belief equals
LSM> faith. Faith is a gift of God. I believe the Bible teaches that not
LSM> every body does/can have faith.
DR> Thanks a lot. So if I don't beieve what you do, I don't get to live
DR> in Paradise too?
It is your apparent choice, Dave. This should not be an offense to you.
DR> And you wonder why there are atheists?
JS> No, I don't. Lon already explained that to Martin.
DR> Well, I must have missed it. Explain it to me.
Faith is a gift of God. I believe the Bible teaches that not
every body does/can have faith.
DR> But it also "teaches" (a word not appropriate to the bible, in my
DR> opinion)
JS> Reason?
DR> Okay, got me on this one. But it teaches an ancient form of
DR> spirituality that is outdated.
In what way is it outdated? Do you think that 'do not kill' is not
relevant in today's culture? How about 'do not steal'? How about giving
to the poor? Helping a guy who can't get his car started? How about being
happy that someone has something he/she worked hard to get with out
feeling envy?
DR> In some people it can be self-defeating.
How so?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: How big, did you say!?
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:39:04
EID:f7e7 203a0ce0
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
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-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Uh...rains came down and the floods came up...not that hard a gig...
PS> It is if there isn't enough water. Keep trying.
Not for an omnipotent God...
ML> Are we supposed to be intimidated or impressed?
JS> Neither. Merely amused, that's all...
PS> A pile of bullshit who boasts about his height isn't very amusing.
That really is an irritation for you, isn't it? :)
JS> Mengele lives, Herr Doktor, in the fine wit and bitter slicing
JS> tongue of Mahty Leigzip.
PS> Are you now under the impression that Marty's from Boston?
No, but thanks for recognizing the accent. I work for a guy (he is also
my roadie - part time) who is and one of his favorite customers in named
'Mahty Greene'. :)
JS> Evidence to support this claim?
PS> Do you ever *read* that book that you throw at us?
Certainly, sir...
JS> Tsk. Tsk. I thought you were becoming a bit more congenital, Marty and
JS> instead you cut me once again ...
PS> Aw, whassamatter? Did little Jimmy get his poor little ego bruised
PS> again?
Nah...:)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Just havin' fun...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:39:25
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to JIm Staal <=-
JS> n'est-ce pas?
JS> Huh?
RJ> It's French, for "nicht wahr?"
JS> 'nicht wahr'?
JS> Wha!?
PS> There you go again.
Where!?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Not the Bible...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:39:48
EID:4661 203a0ce0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0fd
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Like Preston says, I'm selective about this...
RJ> Allrightee...so anyway, you're gonna be a thief if I call you
RJ> one?
JS> Nope...
PS> You've said that you would be before.
Then you should understand it by now...:)
RJ> Why would you do that?
JS> Figure of speech...
PS> Amusing talk from an inerrantist.
This ain't the Bible, dude...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:33:40
EID:287b 203a0420
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0fe
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to jim staal <=-
RJ> Was thinking always hard for you, or
RJ> did something happen to you to make you give it up?
js> Nah...thinking is no problem. I don't care to read much though, since
js> my vision has declined with age...
PS> My heart bleeds for you. I've been legally blind since I was eight
PS> years old
Hmmm...I'm sorry to hear that. How do you get around?
PS> and it still seems that I read more in a week than you do in
PS> a year.
No doubt. I do not like to read. It slows me down. I used to read,
thoug. I read every Donald Lamb/Bertha Cool book A.A. Fair ever wrote
back in the 60's as well all the Bond books.
PS> Hand your pathetic excuses to someone who might believe them.
No excuse...merely an explanation...:)
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|From: Jm Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: RUDE!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 00:34:29
EID:17a5 203a0440
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e0ff
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> Goes way back, Mahty...years, even: I made the statement to someone
JS> here that in real time conversations, people do not
JS> treat me with the rudeness I face here, as a face-less medium allows
JS> chicken-s**ts to sit behind their little monitors and make big
JS> mouthed belittling statements about people they don't even know.
PS> And the point behind this is? You obviously don't know that I've
PS> treated people bigger than you are with more rudeness than I've handed
PS> you here.
I don't think so. Evidence?
PS> Chicken-shit? Nah. Simply honest.
Nah. Simply rudeness...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: It's a wonderful life...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:40:12
EID:3e62 203a0d00
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e100
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
LB> Gee, Preston, have YOU been sucking up, too?
JS> See!? That's exactly what I have been talking about: mocking me to the
PS> Oh, for pity's sake. Are you really this fucking desperate? What a
PS> dismal, dark little world you must live in.
Yeah...try being in your late 40's and realize you are a waste of a
human life...:)
JS> pagan/atheists, just to 'cuddle up' to them to avoid the type of
PS> Well, no. If I saw Lynda making the same kind of outrageous statements
PS> to me that you do, I'd be "beating" her just as strongly as I do you.
PS> However, she has decided, much to her credit, not to use her religion
PS> as an excuse to persecute people, a decision I applaud.
Yeah...applaud telling people what they want to hear while hiding the truth
from them:
(2 Tim 4:3 NIV) For the time will come when men will not put up with
sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather
around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears
want to hear.
PS> If you have a
PS> problem with my treatment of you, then stop being such a hypocrite.
Hey, it's your conscience...:)
JS> beating you see them give me. You hold their jackets, and hand them
the
JS> rocks while they do the stoning!
PS> You are far too thin-skinned to be a Christian, Jim.
Not at all...I am a _big_ man, remember? :)
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|From: The Facts.
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: archives
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:41:18
EID:eb8f 203a0d20
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e102
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Coridon Henshaw <=-
JB> No, they might not prove it, but it surely does raise a lot of
JB> questions about Staal's aliases and the fact that it looks like he is
JB> using them to cover up his cruelty. I think 'deniability' is one word
JB> he DOES know.
What cruelty might you be referring to? This?
Ä Area: HOLY SMOKE ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 1494 Rec'd Date: 23 Jan 96 03:54:18
From: George Rudzinski Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Lump Mark:
Subj: Jim Staal
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Did your old man croak yet or is god still letting him suffer?
---------======snip========-------
Or this:
Ä Area: HOLY SMOKE ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 2385 Date: 29 Dec 95 13:38:37
From: Jim Staal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Shelby Sherman Mark:
Subj: Holiday Greetings...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I'm sorry
for his survivors who have to deal with the loss. I'm sorry the man
suffered as he did (I don't know why alleged doctors don't do something
for the pain. Lon's father, the same way: the man screams in pain and
they do nothing for it), but hating me or God won't change that.
----------========snip==========-----------
Or this:
Ä Area: Skeptical Religion Debate Echo ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 2948 Rec'd Date: 24 Jan 96 15:19:16
From: Jim Staal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: George Rudzinski Mark:
Subj: Jim Staal
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Lump <=-
GR> Did your old man croak yet or is god still letting him suffer?
---------===========snip========----------
Or this:
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Lon S. Mabon <=-
LSM> My father current lies near death after suffering three strokes this
LSM> week and God is in the room with all of us, comforting while we hold
LSM> vigil over him.
Drivel and lies are in the room. Your god is no where to be found.
Ask your pissant god why your father had to SUFFER three strokes. Last
chicken I killed, I killed, I didn't worry it to death over a week or more.
george
... My mistake! Since you looked like Yoda I thought you would be wise.
-!- Blue Wave/Max v2.11 [NR]
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Or this:
Ä Area: Skeptical Religion Debate Echo ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 2948 Rec'd Date: 24 Jan 96 15:19:16
From: Jim Staal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: George Rudzinski Mark:
Subj: Jim Staal
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting George Rudzinski to Lump <=-
GR> Did your old man croak yet or is god still letting him suffer?
----------==========snip==========----------
_This_ is real life, Judith...not some made up crap like you are trying
to put on Lon. Lon merely suggested that Shelby's father-in-law, being a
Christian, received from God comfort Shelby was not aware of.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: DEFINITIONS FOR JIM
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:18:28
EID:5a51 203a0a40
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e103
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Shelby Sherman <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3102a4e8
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Shelby Sherman mumbled "DEFINITIONS FOR
PS> JIM"
SS> You are debunked, and I don't give a goat-damn if you are 12 feet
SS> tall.
PS> Given the old David and Goliath story, one wonders why he isn't more
PS> cautious about being tall.
Yeah...but David slew Goliath courtesy the major assistance of God.
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: The Facts.
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: HOLIDAY GREETINGS...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:23:49
EID:496d 203a0ae0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e104
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to Mmark Sstaal <=-
MS> ...I'm not really sure what you're so upset about, Judy, But if
JB> Had to do another name just to make this one got through, huh? Add one
JB> to the list.
JB> And the name is JUDITH to you. Only 3 people have permission to call
JB> me Judy...my husband and my 2 daughters-in-law.
Sorry...I can't resist:
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
Judy
JudyJudyJudyyJudyyJudyJudyJudyJudyJudyJudyJudy...Judy...Judy!
BTW, Judy, _this_ is Jim Staal. Lump is _not_ Jim Staal. LIVE WITH IT!
BTW, I have a sister in law by the name of Judy. She is Dutch. She is a
nice lady...what in the world happened...
... grab your broom and ride, babe...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Robert Jackson
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 26 Jan 96 01:27:42
EID:f56d 203a0b60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e105
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Robert Jackson <=-
JS> @MSGID: 1:228/500.0 3106c436
-=> Quoting Robert Jackson to Marty Leipzig <=-
ML> ... "We've got Moog synthesizers...we could kill you from here."
JS> Hmmm...haven't heard from that company in years. Are they still i
JS> business?
RJ> How much would a vintage Mellotron cost these days?
JS> Dunno...but you might give Big City Music a call at: (818)985-0855.
JS> They deal in used vintage equipment...
Of course the EMU Vintage Keys voice module has 'em all for less than
you would pay for just one (and a whole lot more portable. Those suckers
used to weigh a ton!)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: Fun in Church...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 14:15:44
EID:6dc1 203a71e0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e7d9
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Shelby Sherman to Jim Staal <=-
SS> @MSGID: 1:123/67 31061e89
SS> 22 Jan 96 11:58, quoting Jim Staal to Ryan Shaw:
JS> That is where we disagree, Ryan. The preacher is not telling us what
JS> to believe. We believe what is in the Bible. That is plain for all to
JS> see.
SS> Yeah, but you tend to pick and choose in typical salad bar fashion.
SS> Why don't all christians handle snakes and drink poison, Jim?
Because, Shelby, there is no command from God to do so. George is not a
good role model, Shelby. You can do better than that.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: RACHEL BRATTAIN
|Sub: promise keepers
|Date: 26 Jan 96 14:18:27
EID:357b 203a7240
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e7da
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting RACHEL BRATTAIN to JIM STAAL <=-
JS> Promise Keepers is an organization for and of men designed to help
men
JS> become more spiritually awakened, to help them be more attentive to
the
JS> needs of their family, to honor, respect and love their wives and to
JS> relate more fully to God, themselves and their fellow man - all through
JS> the grace and knowlege of their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
RB> ...does it work? ...it sounds good in theory, but how does it help
RB> them to be more attentive, etc?
By exhorting them through scripture and by maintaining the whole thing
through small groups back at the local churches. During the year these
small groups meet locally to study the word, to share our various
feelings, problems, obstacles, etc. and to encourage each other to keep
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|From: The Facts.
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: BUNK!
|Date: 26 Jan 96 14:30:26
EID:c4ca 203a73c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e7db
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Judith Bandsma to All <=-
-=> Quoting Robert Berndt to Jim Staal <=-
JB> ^^^^^^^^^
RB> Interesting tag line. Are you a satanist? I recognize it from the
RB> satanic bible.
JB> This is the best one liner (I don't care if it IS 3 sentences) I've
JB> seen in a long time.
Yeah...'specially when it wasn't even _my_ tagline he was talking
about...
... grab your broom and ride, babe...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: new kid...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 14:26:00
EID:db8f 203a7340
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e7dc
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to J.j. Hitt <=-
DC> Plus, now that he's off his meds, it's getting better. His good
DC> xian loveliness has seen fit to call Gamaliel not only a "moron"
DC> but a "jew boy".
Hmmm...any evidence to support this line of hooey?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Staal shows his colon
|Date: 26 Jan 96 14:29:34
EID:19e8 203a73a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 3108e7dd
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Lump <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Lump <=-
SQ> 3 Jan 96, dixit Lump ad Fredric Rice:
L> ....except the smell of furds burning in the morning,-Martin Sheen
SQ> Try again...it was Robert Duvall.
Lu> Nooo, it was Martin Sheen: "There's nothing like the smell
Lu> of _______ burning in the morning"< Apocolypse Now >
ML> No, you stupid fuck. The quote is: "I love the smell of napalm
ML> in the morning. It smells like victory". Robert Duvall, on the
ML> beach, in "Apocalypse {note the spelling, you "English Major"
ML> dipshit} Now".
ML> Get it right, for the first time in your fetid little
ML> trischizophrenic life.
OK. ENOUGH _IS_ INDEED ENOUGH! LUMP IS NO ENGLISH MAJOR, YOU ONE ARMED
PAPER HANGING TWIT! _I_ WAS THE ENGLISH MAJOR! Give it a rest,
already, will ya?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: Why
|Date: 26 Jan 96 02:17:00
EID:31fc 203a1220
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3109213a
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Gwenny the Pooh <=-
SW> How do you know? Christianity is about love, not hate. You should have
SW> seen me about five years ago. I was totally fried from drugs and
SW> drinking. I was basically so messed up I couldnt fuction any more. I
SW> would have been dead if it wasnt for a compassionate Christian lady
who
SW> helped me out and basically took me under her wing. And five years
SW> later...here I am, drug free-and and alcohol free. All becuase a great
SW> kind hearted Christian lady didnt think I was a piece of crap when
SW> every one else did.
MH>
MH> But, Steve, you are a piece of shit.
Do you think your better than me Mark? It say's in the Bible "If a man
thinketh himself to be more than what he is, he decieves himself."
If you can't support your
MH> claims of your pretentious False God Scum, I sincerely doubt anyone
I am not required to prove a single thing to you. Who are you that I should
prove anything to? I am here to preach the gospel and to show you whats
written therein. You have the Word as a testamony, read it. It's the only
book God gave us. And contrary to what you might think, its enough.
MH> here wants to hear about it. People here don't liked to be preached
MH> to.
You are only one voice Mark. Even you cant possibily believe that your
opinion on what people want here is the only one there is. If you dont
want to hear me and other Christian's preach on here, than why do you
post on this echo? .
Have a good day Mark, and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Mark Hogan
|Sub: WHITE-LIGHTER RELIGIO
|Date: 26 Jan 96 02:29:01
EID:3292 203a13a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3109213b
-=> Quoting Mark Hogan to Steve Wallis <=-
-=> Quoting Steve Wallis to Roger Hunter <=-
-=> Quoting Roger Hunter to Steve Wallis <=-
MH>
SW> Through sin, the devil has rights to every soul that is not part of
MH>
MH> What you call sin, others call free will. But on the topic of the
What I call sin, is called violation of the law. It might be your freewill
to violate the law and hence; sin. But it reamins a fact that sin is a
violation of the law.
MH> debbil ... how is he to claim anything on us if we don't believe in
MH> that Christian-spawned dunce?
If you went to the States and broke a law there and then came back to Canada,
and pretended nothing happened. That still wouldnt change the fact that
you
sinned(broke the governig laws). Now, if the US government wanted to expedite
you to put you on trial, what would you do? Ask them what right do they
have?
You could rant and rave all you wanted and even tell them that your a Canadian
citizen and dont believe or follow American laws. But that still wouldnt,
change the fact that they have rights to put you on trial becuase of your
crime. You could be as ignorant of that as you wanted but you'd still be
powerless to do anything about it Mark. So likewise, through sin, the
devil has rights to every soul that doesnt belong to Christ. Whether you
accept it or believe doesn't mean a thing to the devil. The devil couldnt
care less.
MH> You have to understand, Steve; most of the people here that don't
MH> believe in God, don't believe in your debbil, either. They don't
MH> believe in Christianity, period. For that matter, neither do I.
Some do, some dont. I as a Christian can only do my part to preach what
I know and to proclaim the excellencies of Christ.
SW> the body of Christ. God has already done His part in purchasing
SW> mankind. But it still falls on mans part to recieve the gift that God
MH>
MH> Since when did I sell myself to your great Goat?
You never did Mark. But God,being great in grace and mercy took the step
for us and sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for us, hence; purchasing
mankind from the devil. The debt against us has been paid. But it still
boils down to mankinds choice to choose whether or not we accept the
payment that God gave us. Hence; Accepting Christ as Saviour.
Have a good one Mark, take care and Godbless!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Steve Wallis
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Why
|Date: 26 Jan 96 02:45:02
EID:498f 203a15a0
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 3109213c
How are ya Sue?
MH> Christianity is a belief, nothing more. If you think it's
SW>
SW> In your opinion Mark, buthow would you know if it were anything more
SW> if you never bothered to take the time to find out?
SA>
SA> How do you know he hasn't?
Becuase, He's living in a world of unbelief. If he searhed for God with
all his heart, he would not be let down.
MH> anything more, you're not only sadly mistaken but deluded as well.
SW>
SW> Again, I would have to say that wisdom is justified by her children.
SA>
SA> You obviously aren't one of them.
Mabey not in your opinion Sue.
MH> so many words, and I am, of course, mincing words, but only to
MH> show you how silly you are. Case and point: There are no gods,
MH> only systems of belief.
SW>
SW> You will have your day in court to dispute it Mark,(if you keep going
SW> the way you are). It says in the Bible that we all must give an
SW> account to God one day for our actions on earth.
SA>
SA> Ooh, threats. The last resort of the Real, True, Christian.
Call it what you will, but even I will have to stand before God one day
and give an account of myself. Every body will.
MH> should not base what they think of any given thing on one [usually
MH> worthless] person, which is why I don't hate Christianity because
MH> you believe in it.
SW>
SW> Praise God brother!
SA>
SA> He ain't your brother. And I dare you to call him "Chief".
And who then is my brother? Is it not the soul in need sister?
MH> However, there seems to be an overwhelming
MH> trend of Christian blue-bloods doing really dispicable things to
MH> others, and themselves. What does this say for your religion? It's
MH> definitely a petty one, by all accounts.
SW>
SW> If a non believer offends me in some way, I dont automatically label
SW> all non believers as the same and then do my part to shun em all.
SA>
SA> Oh, no. You merely threaten them with your stories of hellfire and
SA> brimstone, don't you?
I preach whats written in the Bible. That is one of my responsibilities
as
a Christian. If you feel threatened by it, its your own concience thats
bugging you. My job is not to convict you of sin, thats the Holy Spirit's
job. I can only try my best to shed some light into your life by preaching
to you about Christ.
SW> Therefore, if a Christian blue-blood(as you call em) offends you
SW> somehow, are you going to label all Christians the same and shun them?
SW> Do you see my point? Its ludicrous. As for "my religion"-what would
SW> that be? I dont practice religion, I do however believe in the Lord
SW> Jesus Christ and how a relationship with Him. Religion is man's way
of
SW> trying to reach God, Christ is the only way.
SA>
SA> Got any non-bibical evidence of this? How can you be so sure that
SA> Mohammed isn't the only way? (Bring up the bible, and I'll bring up
SA> the Qu'ran.)
Bring up what you will Sue, it still wont change the fact that there is
but
one God, the Father Almighty. And it still wont change the fact that Jesus
Christ is the only mediator we have in order to reach God.
MH> It sounds like she's doing a whole lot better, no thanks to
MH> your religion's fellow believers.
SW>
SW> As I stated before-I dont practice religion. My God shuns evil. No
SA>
SA> So, having a "personal relationship" with your chosen god-construct
SA> doesn't count as a religion. How about someone who claims a "personal
SA> relationship" with Mohammed? Or with Zeus? Or Odin, Cthulu,
SA> Stargoat, Amagok, Manitou, the Yellow Emporer, Buddha, King Arthur,
or
SA> a host of other gods/demigods/heroes from around the world? They
SA> believe in THEIR diety constructs just as much as YOU do, and are
SA> likely to fall back on the exact same sorts of arguments you will to
SA> plead the case for their pet dieties, and all will back up their
SA> claims with some sort of scripture, based on ancient legends and lore
SA> - just as your own adopted scriptures are.
Some people dont realize what they worship. The devil try's his best to
mock God and that is one of the reasons God has a day set aside to judge
the devil and his angels and followers and thrust them into the furnace
of fire. Thats why it says in the Bible "He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at the wicked. Then He speaks to them in His anger and
terrifies them in His furry."
SW> evil can dwell with my God. What happened to Gweeny was unfortunate,
SA>
SA> Unfortunately for you, your god claims to have made evil. He even
SA> admits it in the OT. Besides the fact that if your god made
SA> everything (a highly specious claim, indeed) then it also made evil
-
SA> "everything" means just that.
Evil came about when God's law got vialated. Sin is a violation of the law.
Since God is Holy, He cannot and will not let sin remain in His presence.
It wasnt something that He created Sue, sin is when God's law gets violated.
SW> but it wasnt God's fualt. If you walked down the street and got jumped,
SW> beat upon and robbed, would it be God's fualt? No. Would it be your
SW> fualt? No. It would have been a sign of the times guy,(redeeming the
SW> times becuase the days are evil).
SA>
SA> Oh, but if he won a million dollars in the 6/49, he'd be expected to
SA> praise your god for his good fortune, wouldn't he?
That would be gambling then wouldnt it? Since it would be gambling it would
be sinfull and God would not have a part in it.
SA> And "evil days" have ALWAYS been upon us, Chucklehead. There hasn't
Yes, evil days have been here before. It says in the Bible that just
as the days of Noah were, so shall be when the Son of Man Returns. And it
also say's that a a wicked and adulterous generation seek after a sign,
but
the only sign that will be shown unto it is the sign of the prophet Jonah.
SA> So, I'd like to know what age of history (DOCUMENTED history, please
-
SA> don't bring up your garden of Eden mythos - every culture has an
SA> idealised distant past, for the reasons outlined above) you would
SA> nominate for being "better" than the way things are now.
Every generation has its bad times. But it's not like things are getting
any better are they? There are wars, and rumers of wars. Pestilences,
earthquakes, false Christ's, you name it and it's currently going on in
the world.(Luke chapter 21 and Matthew chapter 24). The only time things
were perfect was before mankind fell into sin. But, the restoration of all
things is near at hand.
Have a good day Sue, take care and may Godbless you!
Steve
... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God.
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Jim 'n Wilbur
|Date: 26 Jan 96 17:23:59
EID:d24b 203a8ae0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f64
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Jim Staal <=-
SQ> On 22 Jan 96 01:14pm, Jim Staal wrote to Steve Quarrella:
JS> I know...I know. Mr. Vandenberg won't do it for me (sez your board is
a
JS> little 'difficult' - ) so maybe I can get
JS> Oosterman to do it for me...
SQ> I would describe the sysop of my board as "difficult."
Well, hey: that's a given. :)
SQ> My guess is
SQ> that it's difficult for him to get through because I hub mail and it
SQ> tends to be busy.
I see...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Fundamentalists R Us
|Date: 26 Jan 96 17:59:17
EID:07c7 203a8f60
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f65
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Rob Burcham to Jim Staal <=-
JS> No problem, sir. I am glad I could provide a bit of light in this
JS> sometimes dark and friendless place. :)
RB> Descriptions of HolySmoke:
RB> Jim Staal: dark and friendless place
RB> Jesse Jones: hell hole
I don't know about Jesse's, but do you always take _everything_ out of
context, Rob? I said '_sometimes_ dark and friendless place'...
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Hector Plasmic
|Sub: Christians...together
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:03:06
EID:ca5f 203a9060
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f66
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Jim Staal <=-
JS> In any event, show me where the error is in 'my version' of
JS> Christianity and we'll discuss it from scripture to see where the error
JS> lies, ok?
HP> Wait a minute -- I didn't catch the start of this conversation.
Then why bother to butt it, Hector?
HP> Are
HP> you claiming that biblical literalism is the One True Way,
Biblical literalism was never even mentioned, Hector. (hint: I have
never laid claim to being a literalist. Merely an inerrantist)
HP> and asking
HP> for someone to prove you wrong by citing a literal bible passage?
No. I asked for someone (the person I was posting to) to `show me where
the
error is in 'my version' of Christianity and we'll discuss it from
scripture to see where the error lies, ok?'
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:08:37
EID:90d3 203a9100
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f67
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> I guess it doesn't say 'Making Friends Echo' on the roster. I says
JS> 'Religion Debate Echo'. I have many friends who do not believe. I
JS> have friends who do not believe as I do. Neither of the above condemn
JS> me for what I believe. I do not condemn them for what they do or do
PS> Point being? Most of us here just aren't your friends. As soon as you
PS> learn to accept the fact that just because I'm not your friend does
PS> not automatically mean that I am an enemy who seeks to destroy you and
PS> your children so that your kind will breed no more, then you'll do a
PS> bit better.
And as soon as you cease to act like one, I might get that idea,
Preston.
PS> But you do not portray yourself as such here. Your language strikes
me
PS> as stilted (too much effort at impressing people with your vocabulary,
PS> though it seems to be no better than average),
Uh...excuse me!? You are the one who sleeps with his F&W just to come
up with a new one here...
PS> and your intelligence
PS> seems to be highly questionable at best, given your adamant refusal
PS> to consider alternate sources of information to your Bible.
For me there is no alternate source of spiritual information...
JS> the like). In light of the above, you wonder why I reply in the
JS> manner I do three years later? I don't think so.
PS> Would it be overly presumptuous of me to assume that as a Christian,
PS> you would continue to make an effort at civil discussion despite
PS> being frustrated in that aim?
Every time I sit at my keyboard, Preston, I make that attempt. Even
now. I am not the one who cannot seem to communicate without resorting
to name calling (I know, it has happened a couple of times, but is not
the norm) or belittling someone else's intellect because they possess
something you will not let yourself have.
PS> That you would "treat your enemies with
PS> kindness, and so heap coals of fire upon their heads"?
That is not my goal here...to make you responsible, yes, but to condemn
you, no...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: HA!?
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:09:31
EID:31bb 203a9120
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f68
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
JS> You just _love_ to use that 'h' word, don't you? What makes you think
JS> you are so stinking perfect? Ever look in the mirror and get a glimps
JS> of the angry person who stares back at you? Man!!
DC> Doesn't your god tell you not to judge, lest you be judged?
JS> Please point out at what point in the above post did I 'judge'?
PS> "Angry person" is a nice judgment. You have no real evidence to
PS> support it.
Do you _ever_ read the stuff you post, Preston? Ray Charles could see
the anger...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: Mr. Miller...problem?
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:11:55
EID:23a4 203a9160
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f69
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Preston Simpson to Jim Staal <=-
PS> @MSGID: 1:123/318.0 3106acd3
PS> Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Jim Staal mumbled "Re: Mr.
PS> Miller...problem?"
SB> Er.......Jimbo.....You're taking on water------------fast!
SB> I would bail-out if I were you.
JS> You...you mean those _empty_ porno conferences on his board? He does
JS> seem to talk a good talk...
PS> Oh, I see. Since Jimmy Swaggart never *actually* touched the
PS> prostitute, he wasn't actually sinning, was he?
Oh...there is really nothing to _see_ or perceive in _empty_ echo areas,
are there? I'm not defending anything of the sort...I am not condoning
it either...sounds like the man is changing in his life, however...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: Abortion
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:16:44
EID:ca37 203a9200
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f6b
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Coridon Henshaw to Dan Ceppa <=-
DC>> Is that anything like you telling Gwenny that she was at fault
DC>> because her husband beat her?
JS>> Never said that, Danno, never said that. The FAQ backs me on that
JS>> one.
DC> Just how are you able to look at yourself in the mirror?
CH> Jimbo didn't say or imply that GT was at fault for her ex beating her.
CH> He only implies that the ex was 'smart' for beating here. While a
CH> very vile statement, it doesn't appear to be blaming the victim (by
my
CH> reading of it, anyways).
CH> Here's the exact text:
CH> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
CH> ------------------------------------------------------------ "Ahhhh,
I
CH> recognize this. This is the way my ex would talk before he beat me
CH> for being "too smart"." - Gwen Todd
CH> "Sounds like he was the smart one. Wha'd you follow that act with?
I
CH> don't know. I wasn't there. There ain't a story that donesn't hve two
CH> sides to it. Either way, the fact that he is her ex, makes him the
CH> smart one..." - Jim Staal
Actually the obvious implication (implication, heck; I came right out
and said it) that he was the smart one for being her ex.
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: alleged 'christians'...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:17:20
EID:440e 203a9220
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f6c
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Rob Burcham to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
JS> JS> What...the 'sucking up' part?
JS>
JS> LB> No, Jim -- the "sucking up" part is so ludicrous that it does nothing
JS> LB> but bring a smile to my face. I've made friends here, to be sure.
An
JS> LB> I don't make my friends pass a theology exam in order to qualify
--
RB> This 'sucking up to the heathens' accusation is reminiscent of
RB> another 'label': nigger lover.
Hmmm...what's a 'nigger'?
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: love
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:19:14
EID:beb8 203a9260
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PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Rob Burcham to Michael Hardy <=-
RB> @MSGID: 1:280/9 0c978f74
MH> No, it may surprise you Dan, but I *do* love you. I don't like you
very
MH> much, but I want you in heaven along with me in the end. I wish you
no
MH> harm and bear no grudge against you.
RB> That's a step above Staal, who 'appears' to cherish the idea
RB> of 'heinous blasphemers' roasting in hell.
Do you have _any_ evidence for this line of crap, Rob?
... get real, get a crate and get reconciled to me, your statural superior
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Coridon Henshaw
|Sub: THERE'S NO SCOTCH LIKE NO
|Date: 26 Jan 96 18:21:25
EID:5f85 203a92a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.0 31091f6e
PID: BWRA 3.11 [Reg]
TID: GE/32 1.2
-=> Quoting Coridon Henshaw to Judith Bandsma <=-
DH>> Beam... James Beam.
ML>> Dickel...George Dickel.
JB> I saw Jim Beam ICE CREAM in the store last week.
CH> Reminds me of Wing On funeral homes here in Toronto...
Mercy! You are in Toronto? Tsk. I really like that place. I come up
every year...:(
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 26 Jan 96 16:39:43
EID:2c6c 203a84e0
MSGID: 1:207/212 8e92a71f
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31080e3a
SA> Frankly, if folks like Maria want to be doormats, that's up to them.
I
SA> don't understand how she can be happy that way, but hey. I also
SA> couldn't understand the housewives I've met that were happy knowing
SA> absolutely nothing beyond the best sort of vaccuum cleaner to buy.
SA> NOW's business should be in protecting the rights of those of us who
SA> DON'T want to be that way, and don't want the traditional view of
SA> women forced on us.
Well.... I personally want to teach people NOT to be doormats.
SA> The only way someone like Maria would/could ever change would probably
SA> be through some sort of seriously bad experience at the hands of her
SA> husband or some other male .. I doubt she'd ever realise that being
SA> subjugated isn't all that pleasant on her own accord. Perhaps her
True.
... Anything is possible, unless it's not.
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Consider...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 19:29:38
EID:71cf 203a9ba0
MSGID: 1:207/212 5eaf4456
AS> Karen, as with all things, people are people. You make it sound like
> Africans lived in an idyllic paradise. That idyllic paradise included
> female circumcision in Western Africa, and homicidal maniacs like Tchaka
> who slaughtered thousands because his mother died, in Southern Africa.
You use examples from after white colonization.
No, I do not consider it an idyllic paradise. I *do* consider it to have
been far better left alone. Our solutions to their problems don't work.
Western medicine makes more problems than it solves, which is a horrible
ethical conflict for thinking people.
... An optimist is a guy without much experience.
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Consider...
|Date: 26 Jan 96 19:30:57
EID:106e 203a9bc0
MSGID: 1:207/212 86dc890a
MH> You consider tribes practicing human sacrifice and people dying for
> lack of sanitation or decent medical care to be "fine?"
Name me one that practiced human sacrifice.
People didn't die for lack of sanitation - they lived in a way which
made sanitation as WE know it less of a problem.
Decent medical care which is way beyond what they are able to practice
with their resources, and only increases their dependence on westerners,
their money, and the religion they force down their throats at the same
time. Decent medical care which forces them to change the lifestyle
which made that lifestyle far less necessary.
You know why the plague started?
MH> Sure, they are there to evangelize, and they do. But the medical care
> is available to anyone, whether they convert or not.
They still don't think that what they are doing is worse than leaving
them alone. Let them develop their OWN medical techniques. They'd be
teaching US things in a few years.
... Intel's Pentium: Optimized for OS/1.997683
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: One Last Comment
|Date: 26 Jan 96 19:32:04
EID:28c7 203a9c00
MSGID: 1:207/212 8319cdec
AS> And I hope you DID have a Merry Christmas.
Yup! New SuperVGA card and a multimedia kit... among secular things.
Rather quiet family wise. My sister was ill, which put a slight damper
on the celebrations.
... Why do parking spaces vanish when you make a u turn?
--- PPoint 1.92
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Viability
|Date: 26 Jan 96 19:33:03
EID:d320 203a9c20
MSGID: 1:207/212 6bfb6097
> bible is a document worthy of consideration. Thats a shame. Because God
> paid a dear price to buy us back. He doesn't want a religion, but a
> relationship with Him. The story of the Old Testament is a people God
What price?
... A lot is to be said for the word NO.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: ARK
|Date: 22 Jan 96 08:08:00
EID:d253 20364100
AS> All of which will be of COURSE around in 2000 years? Are you sure?
HP> Nothing is sure, Al. But I'd imagine that much of it will, in fact,
HP> still be around in one form or another. We've reached the stage where
HP> saving such stuff is a pleasant exercise.
I'm sure the librarians at Alexandria thought so too... In fact, a lot
of the records kept these days tend to be on film and microfische and
various electronic ways of recording, which to me seem even MORE
susceptible to the ravages of time than the ancients who often carved
inscriptions on stone. Suppose that most of them crumbled (not a
ridiculous assertion) and a nuclear war unleashed a electromagnetic pulse
that cleared most computer's databanks. Would we STILL have the originals?
Or would we (as is the case with almost all ancient documents) have copies
of coplies, as we do with Herodotus, Seneca, or for that matter, the Bible
itself? If we only had to rely on what was carved in rock or other
materials, and that was all future archeologists could say for sure about
our era, how poor and spotty their impression of our era would be.
AS> Some of the films FROM THE TURN OF THE CENTURY are crumbling, Hec.
HP> And many are being preserved. Still, there's evidence aplenty that
HP> the gentlemen you name existed, isn't there? But none, outside the
HP> mythology itself, for your twelve. Odd, ain't it? :-)
You think two thousand years from now, there will be plenty of
evidence of Tom Cruise? The films that are being "preserved"--those
preservation methods also have a limited span of time. And it's a lot less
than two thousand years.
HP> Yes, I know you wanted to play your violin and whine about how hard
HP> what you want to prove is to prove since all the evidence has long
HP> since been swept away by time (much like the fundy complaining that
the
HP> global flood REALLY REALLY happened). But tough cookies -- no one
HP> forced you to make claims you couldn't evidence, Al.
On the contrary--it is your claim that the apostles are "mythological"
which has no reasonable basis, since we can produce no less than three
people who were taught by John, for instance, and at least one by Peter.
But, of course, any evidence that doesn't agree with your BIAS is
mythological, of course.
... WARNING: This Message May Be Hazardous to Your Point of View.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: PRESTON SIMPSON
|Sub: BAD GOD! BAD!
|Date: 22 Jan 96 08:21:00
EID:04b5 203642a0
PS> If I could turn up *any* women with a decided resemblance to Cindy
PS> Crawford (with appreciable intelligence to boot), d'you think I'd have
PS> time to waste on this echo?
AS> And that idiot Gere prefers Buddhist retreats to her. To each their
AS> own... but that strikes me as TRUE religious fanatacism.
PS> *I* think it's just plain insanity, but that's me.
Someday he's going to get an interview with the Dalai Lama, and the Dalai
Lama will say, "My son, true wisdom is found by KEEPING a woman such as
Cindy Crawford happy, not throwing her away like a used rag...."
... As confused as a baby in a topless bar!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: C PLUS TWO
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:11:00
EID:b9dc 20364960
HP>> what look to be mechanisms -- which we surely do not yet understand
--
HP>> available for c+ _something_.
AS> I'm sorry, Hector, but none of the mechanisms in the Hyperspace book,
as
AS> I remember them, are workable, as of yet.
HP> I see you've decided to concede the point. :-)
(Gentle smile). And since one can imagine a Creator managing to create the
known universe, even though you cannot think of a workable "mechanism",
in
your own words, then YOU are conceding that a Creator is at least as
"workable" as an FTL drive? Thank you SO much, Hector. (Actually more,
since there are specific laws, logical and relativistic, that preclude FTL
travel, and there are none against a Creator.)
Is your "concede the point" your current catch-phrase?
You will regret it, boobie.
BTW...notice how much you lost that go-round?
Didn't think so.
Ceppa's Corollary, applied to Schroeder's Corollary of Hector's law.
... "God bless you all and give you more sense."--Father Brown
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ALL
|Sub: NO I'M NOT DEAD
|Date: 22 Jan 96 09:33:00
EID:35a4 20364c20
Those of you who see this post, please respond. I am trying to determine
who is receiving my posts...Jim and occasionally Judith and Roger and Dan
aren't, Hector and JJ and Preston ARE, and I'm trying to see what's going
on. I ESPECIALLY want to hear from Larry Sites, whom I sent a multi part
reply to the file he pulled off an athiest echo about the silliness of
religious belief.
... "I think not," said Descartes; and promptly disappeared.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: INADMISSABLE NON-TEST
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:09:00
EID:3eda 20366120
HP>> Not at all, Al. You claimed that no one would critique the style of
a
HP>> fictional author. I pointed out one who is obviously fictional and
HP>> has been critiqued.
AS> And since the Gospels were NOT regarded as "obviously fictional"
HP> Tsk, tsk -- they were regarded as such by their critics, Al. Still
HP> are, to this very day, as a matter of fact. Only literalist fundies
HP> insist that they are literally true documents.
(Gentle smile). Oh? Do you think anyone rated it as fiction on a level
with, say, the second-century GOLDEN ASS? Then doubtless you can produce
such a statement by one of those critics? Did they think it mistaken in
some points? Surely. They didn't regard the whole thing as an utter
fabrication. Say, anyone between the first and third centuries? We need
only a quote, Hector.
(Crickets chirping.)
You are making the assertion, Hector. You have to supply the quote.
AS> but were regarded as true by the Christian community, then it has no
AS> relevance.
HP> ROFL! You're a funny guy, Al. "But your example shows that I'm
HP> wrong, and since I'm not wrong, you can't possibly have a relevant
HP> example!"
(Gentle smile). Nice dodge. Still doesn't answer the objection, though.
A STUDY IN SCARLET devotes a good third of the book to the doings of the
Mormons, and has Brigham Young in it. Yet it is framed with Sherlock
Holmes and Watson and such, and was ALWAYS regarded as fictional by those
around them, by all the critics of such. However, Sir Conan Doyle's
psychical studies...which I assure you I don't believe in
either...nevertheless were always regarded as NONfiction, some of it
easily debunked, but nevertheless to call it "fictional" rather than
"mistaken" is an interesting way to misuse the language. There is INDEED
a
difference there.
... Hmmm, the fence must still be down over at the funny farm.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: INTO.
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:20:00
EID:16df 20366280
AS> I was wondering about your obvous confusion, in thinking I was there
HP> I never said you were there, Al. Any confusion, "obvous" [sic] or
HP> otherwise, must be your own, as of all the readers, you were the only
HP> one with the information to _know_ it was not referring to you.
Ahhhh, but of course that's the point, isn't it? You didn't make it clear
who the "Al" was. If I hadn't said anything, the echo at large (Lynda,
Katherine, et al) would have thought we had met. Which we hadn't. And you
are still blaming ME for your imprecision of speech and my setting the
record straight.
And of course, in your anal-retentive way, you can't let
it go. Oh well, wish YOUR Al all the best and give her a hug for me. I
envy you for having a daughter, I was always a sucker for little girls.
But after three tries and three boys, I think Nature is trying to tell me
something...especially since they say the male determines the sex of the
child.
... I was not CREATING a disturbance, I was improving one already there.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: LOST MAIL
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:36:00
EID:cc1d 20366480
JB> Al, I just thought I'd let you know that the local board that gets
JB> FIDO through Planet Connect has not had one of your messages come
JB> through for the last 5 days, now. The other board seems to be getting
JB> them ok, but I wouldn't be surprised to find there are a lot missing.
JB> Are you cutting back your messaging, or are you really only posting
10
JB> or less messages per day?
Surely you jest! Yes, my sysop tells me it must be Fidonet swallowing
the messages. I am posting almost as much as usual...since not as many are
going out, I'm getting fewer to respond to. There MAY have been some days
when there were as little as six---there was one packet that only had one
direct post to me---or ten--but mostly I've been sending twenty or so a
day.
And with the natural perversity of things, HECTOR is receiving my posts
perfectly, it seems.
It seems to be working both ways. As you perhaps know, I try to read
every post, but I noticed a response to Hector to Styx on a post I never
read. So Fido works in mysterious ways. I'm trying to store all my
responses for a while until I'm sure I'm reaching everybody, and then I
might try to repost. So once the problem is cleared up, you may see quite
a few posts from me.
... There are Three kinds of people: Those who can count; those who can't.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: J.J. HITT
|Sub: MCDOWELL
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:48:00
EID:0bad 20366600
AS> Total change of subject: my wife has decided to drop her
AS> AOL account, and is just going to send e-mail to her group
AS> from her internet connection. So, we will no longer be
AS> supporting AOL.
JH> What were her reasons?
JH> Did it have anything to do with FOF and Dobson?
Not really. Although from what she tells me, if they were to monitor the
private e-mail group, there would be quite a few raised eyebrows,
considering they are supposed to be talking soap operas, when they start
comparing their husband's penis sizes and talk about how often they do
it...but actually it was financial. She has become more comfortable with
the internet connection she has and realized she could send the e-mail
MUCH cheaper from her local internet and still reach them in AOL.
She can send it a lot cheaper through the local internet connection than
AOL.
... MONEY TALKS ... but all mine ever says is GOODBYE!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: MISSED POINTS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 12:56:00
EID:57b4 20366700
-=> Quoting Hector Plasmic to Al Schroeder <=-
HP>> Here, I'll do it for you, by reprinting the message you hacked up so
HP>> badly:
AS> Then why did you not restore it below?
HP> Here it is again, Al, since you seem somehow to have missed it the
HP> first time:
No, look HERE, Hector. THIS is what I was stressing you not restoring:
AS> The point I was stressing
You CUT OFF the explanation...yet again...and then say I'm not addrssing
it. I've posted the explanations three times. You did it BLATANTLY by
following it with:
HP> The point is that both you and Mikey couldn't figure out Marilyn's
HP> reaction when the explanation was right under your nose.
Without ever mentioning the POINT I WAS STRESSING, but ignoring, cutting
and pasting it, whatever. Again, typical of you "doing a Hector" in
Marilyn's memorable words.
Why not just deal with what is said, Hector. Or is it too much for you
to handle?
... The problem isn't ignorance but the illusion of knowledge.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: SPONG ON THE CREEDS 2
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:10:00
EID:903a 20367140
HP>> Sure you can, Al. But all that's required is to show that the claim
HP>> you claim isn't made elsewhere was in fact made elsewhere -- the list
HP>> alone establishes that, moron. :-)
AS> Unfortunately, it does not.
HP> ROFL! Of course it does, Al. Read what it says.
Hector, please be COURAGEOUS enough to deal with what is said AFTER the
above, rather than cutting it off. AS I SAID, and as you deleted, a claim
of multiple witness looks hopeful, but unless you can say whether it is
one person witnessing a UFO...and a little later another person witnessing
a UFO in the same area...and then a third person witnessing one...or you
are talking about a GROUP of people witnessing something all at once. It
does make a difference. If you don't believe me, ask the women who tried
to get Packwood convicted of misconduct, as oppose to the Tail Hook sexual
abuse case. One has many witnesses to seperate incidents, but only one per
incident (the woman Packwood was hitting on) the other had MANY witnesses
of the actual single event. Notice how long it has taken to get Packwood
to admit to misconduct. Notice how the Tail Hook thing was acknowledged
as
reprehensible relatively quickly.
... Too many people confuse free speech with loose talk.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: MARTY LEIPZIG
|Sub: THUMB-SUCKING EVOLUNGELIC
|Date: 22 Jan 96 14:20:00
EID:1788 20367280
JH> If scientists received signals from space with an order and
JH> complexity even approaching what is in _I_Love_Lucy_ they'd
JH> herald it as strong evidence of ...um... life.
ML> Of course, not intelligent life, but life nonetheless.
You realize that cosmic "ambassadors" for mankind, now forty light years
out from Sol, are things like Milton Berle, "I Love Lucy" and "Leave it
to
Beaver"?? (The television signals, of course...)
No WONDER we haven't been contacted yet. We probably scared 'em away...
... That's not line noise... My modem's speaking in tounges!!
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ROB BURCHAM
|Sub: CHRISTMAS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:02:00
EID:f368 20367840
AS> But a significant minority do. A lot just come to church, and don't
think
AS> about it the rest of the week. But I have seen a good many actually
do
AS> something about it.
RB> The millions of 'mainstream' Christians live far more
RB> selfish lives than the bible instructs. I have Christians
RB> all around me with new houses, new cars and every luxury
RB> their Visa will buy. How does a Christian reconcile
RB> extravagance and a solemn belief in Jesus?
Very guiltily. (Unless, of course you're a televangelist, in which
case that's what you're THERE for...) Harder than a camel to go
through a needle's eye...of course, you CAN justify it that Jesus only
told one rich man to divest himself of his funds, since it is what he
loved most, whereas Joseph of Arithamea Jesus did not give the same advice
to. But I suspect such rationalizations occur to those who should employ
them LEAST. Yet you are ordered to provide for your family. So one needn't
become a monk with a vow of poverty, either.
AS> True. But sooner or later it may penetrate what the ritual is FOR,
besides
AS> just to lose sleep Sunday morning. They might actually listen to the
AS> sermon and realize there is a real call there.
RB> I presume 'real' sermons have more substance than the
RB> televised ones. Their primary message is a plea for money.
RB> They implore viewers to "help keep this ministry alive" (so
RB> they can plea for MORE money).
Please don't judge sermons and ministers by the televangelists, anymore
than you can judge all lawyers by those who reach prominance as
politicians.
RB> You 'real' Christians need to do everything you can to get
RB> these bozos off the air. They're seriously fuckin' up your
RB> image.
If it weren't for shut-ins, _I_ wouldn't mind a ban on Christian
broadcasting. The lowest common denominator, unfortunately, seems to come
to the fore. Because for the most part (although there is a cable channel
that has a monk who gives a show who actually IS smart, intelligent and
tackles the hard questions. But such are very few and far between.) such
ARE an embarassment to me. My minister makes jokes about the "Oral Roberts
doll" which you feed quarters to or it self destructs....
It's even made it into the FAQ how boring my litany of "C.S. Lewis,
G.K. Chesterton, Dorothy L. Sayers, et al" is. But people who expound that
sort of view, thinking theists, are what is needed to be stressed, both
to
Christians and non-Christians alike.
... All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: SILLY FUNDY CLAIMS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:43:00
EID:ad04 20367d60
AS> Just that as early as 60 AD people were suffering quite painful
AS> persecutions (Seutonius and Tacitus and James in Josephus) for
AS> "mythological documents
HP> No, Al -- for an ideal. Only literalist fundies (if the shoe fits,
HP> wear it) would suffer "quite painful persecutions" for "mythological
HP> documents." Many people are willing to suffer for their ideals. See
HP> Near Waco for a recent example.
(Gentle smile.) But perhaps James--whom you will notice, Paul said DID
witness the risen Christ--might have seen it as MORE than just an abstract
ideal? The assertions of the disciples wasn't just that Jesus was the Son
of God, an abstract thing no different than claiming that Mohammed is the
Prophet. But what the disciples claimed was pretty different...they
claimed to see a miracle, a person risen from the dead. That is not an
abstract ideal they are asserting, but a concrete happening.
... I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: YER MOMMA SEWS SOCKS
|Date: 22 Jan 96 15:44:00
EID:ee49 20367d80
AS> But historical documents are, Hec.
HP> A shame you only have anonymously written mythological texts then,
HP> isn't it, Al?
Like Paul's epistles (second hand, but still indicative of the early
movement), Peter's letters, John's letters, James' letter, Jude's letter?
With stylistic and grammatical clues that tie John's Gospel with 1 John,
or 1 Peter with the speeches of Peter recorded in Acts? And testimony of
those who were direct disciples of John (Papais, Polycarp, Ignatius) or
Peter (Clement) and the generation after that (Iraneus)? (Gentle smile.)
You still want to stick with that story, Hec?
Or will you admit it is a myth-take?
... Did I.Q.s drop sharply when I wasn't looking?
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: HECTOR PLASMIC
|Sub: RE: "PROVE IT AIN'T TRUE!
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:37:00
EID:1d65 20396ca0
AS> Who's disputing it?
HP> No one, Al. Pay up.
Already did.
AS> I'm agreeing to it, and further, stating a similar claim that I
AS> paid you back, and then you lent me another $20,000.
HP> But I don't accept your claim -- back it up with evidence. You, on
HP> the other hand, have stated that claims must be disproven rather than
HP> backed up with evidence. Therefore, you must disprove my claim or pay
(Gentle smile.) Where? I did ask Marilyn to disprove that an omnipotent
being could not do so-and-so. She said she couldn't prove a negative, and
for me to prove instead one could. I did so. The only reason I asked is
because the Martys have similarly challenged me to prove an omnipotent
being cannot do OTHER things. Exactly where do I claim that claims must
be
disproven rather than backed up with evidence?
HP> up, then evidence your claim or remain silent. We each get to play
by
HP> our own rules. Isn't this fun? :-)
It appears you are writing your own rules. And is rather silly, but of
course, that seems to be how you get your jollies...
HP> ROFL! Trying to _show you what you've been doing all along, Al_ --
HP> you're finally catching on!
I caught up and passed you, bunkie. Now, Clement and Papais and Irenaeus'
assertions to be disciples of John, all seperately given...why are they
not evidence for the existence of John?
AS> Hector, my bizarro friend, I have accepted your claim.
HP> But you haven't paid up -- do so. :-)
Ahhhh. But I have.
AS> Hector, I suppose you think you have a point to make.
HP> The point's been made, Al -- still going to pretend you haven't
HP> noticed? :-)
All I've noticed is your anal-retentive silliness in clinging to a point
that the original poster no longer cares about.
... Dangerous exercise: jumping to conclusions
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: ROBERT JACKSON
|Sub: A DAY IN THE LIFE...
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:44:00
EID:784e 20396d80
RJ> Some of us GenX'ers grew up paranoid--at least those of us
RJ> who regularly watched the news since early childhood. Some
RJ> of my earliest memories of the evening news were the
RJ> nightly stories of the Khmer Rouge and mounting deathtolls
RJ> in Cambodia.
Yeah, I guess you've seen your share of horrors too.
RJ> But by the time the late '70s rolled around, and Brezhnev
RJ> was getting kooky and meanspirited like a typical old fart
RJ> with too much power and on his way out feet first, and with
RJ> Carter being too namby-pamby on staring him down, I was
RJ> pretty worked up with nuclear psychosis. It didn't help
RJ> much when I turned on the TV to watch the news one night in
RJ> '78 and Frank Reynolds' opening line was, "Dtnte is
RJ> dead..." The lead story mentioned a breakdown in crucial
RJ> detente talks, and unless accords were reached _"war is
RJ> inevitable"_(I doubt I'll *ever* forget those words).
In the LATE seventies? I'm trying to think of a time when relations got
that bad...(Not doubting you, just trying to think what it could have
been.)
RJ> Reagan's "Evil Empire" rhetoric and massive military
RJ> buildup only made matters worse--I lost a lot of sleep in
RJ> the '80s over fixating about the end of the world while I
RJ> fought the usual insomnia.
You and a lot of other people.
RJ> Yeah, by 1991, I often had a sense of relief in discussions
RJ> of world politics, because it was nice for once in my life
RJ> to not be obsessed with the fear of a great screaming in the
RJ> sky.
It's nice to live in a time that is not quite so paranoid.
... A generation which ignores history has no past or future.
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|From: AL SCHROEDER
|To: JUDITH BANDSMA
|Sub: AL
|Date: 25 Jan 96 13:54:00
EID:5df6 20396ec0
JB> Has something terrible happened to Al? Did he fall off a cliff...get
JB> hit by a semi...meet Hector in person?
JB> Seriously. I've got an approx. 400 message packet here, and NOT ONE
JB> message from Al Schroeder. Something must have happened.
JB> I sure hope the kids are ok.
The rumors of my death are greatly exagerrated. Fidonet, however, is
playing strange tricks...
... A man of quality is not threatened by a woman seeking equality
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