God Damned Fundies!
|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Lee Woofenden
|Sub: so...now what?
|Date: 09 Jan 97 12:36:27
EID:22a2 22296480
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
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-> On 06 Jan 97 19:06:00, Lee Woofenden got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Take a look at his last lines, Lee:
RC> the term "theory" to describe it. Hector had it pegged, I think,
RC> when he noted your "theory" was merely a metaphysical masturbation.
LW> I should have known this would be your response. Ignore the relevant
LW> part of the message and quote the irrelevant parts.
That is the relevant part of the message, Lee.
LW> I'll send the relevant part to you in a separate message. It's an
LW> experiment, really.
Tell you what: I read it _after_ you perform Hector's Experiment.
... "Your logic is so faulty its in danger of earthquakes." Raven
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|From: Starfire
|To: All
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 08 Jan 97 18:43:47
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Heilsa, All!
Hello people I have begain to post in hollysmoke.:} I am Gweny's girl Starfire.
The quickest way to a mans heart is with a broadsword,
Starfire
... [A]bort, [R]etry, [C]all Obi-Wan?
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 08 Jan 97 03:53:56
EID:b0f7 22281ea0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 32d36eb4
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Carl Pollock said this about Pray Contest
MO> Hmm... So what you're basically saying is that your god has it's
MO> mind made up before the request for divine intervention is made. That
MO> being the case, praying ain't gonna do dick, is it?
CP> Okay, so maybe I sort of spoke with out thinking. I now think it's a
CP> good idea.
What's a good idea? Speaking without thinking? Something your entire faith
seems to perform with much gusto.
/\\ark...
... In the brain of every religious person there is a god shaped vacuum.
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|From: Mark O'Neill
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 02:21:09
EID:b0f7 222912a0
MSGID: 3:640/375.1 32d36f67
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
While discussing the paradoxes involved in using Christians as lightning
conductors on church steeples, Carl Pollock said this about Pray Contest
MG> We don't want bible quotes. We want to know spcifically why your
MG> god starves innocnet people to death.
CP> And how do I prove this point with out quoting bible text?
You, sir, would be wise to look for answers outside your religion.
Questioning your god instead of blindly supporting him/her/it could only
make you a better person. A loving god would support this. A cowardly god,
or it's followers would, however, look upon this action with disdain. You'll
only achieve enlightenment when you objectively view christianity. IMHO,
it
is a dinosaur. A relic from the time when the Earth was flat. Christianity
survives on guilt, fear and greed. Nothing else.
/\\ark. . .
... "Priests will pardon thieves but not philosophers." [Washburn]
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Fred Rice
|Sub: do you know this gay?
|Date: 08 Jan 97 18:43:54
EID:0f18 22289560
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73654ff4
Thought you'd be itnerested in this........
* Original To : all, 1:124/9005.221
* Original From: Mahmut Kursun, 2:2480/13.145@fidonet
* Original Date: Jan 04 21:49
Hey, I just diddled this Webpage:
http://www.stbbs.com/personal/frice
Do you know who it is? There is a picture of a clerk sitting on a table
with a bottle of coke lite on the table and a laptop and there are
a couple of Music Cassettes beside the bottle.
I can imagine this is Glodbreg? Would you help me with that buddy?
--- FastEcho 1.21
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 08 Jan 97 18:46:30
EID:35de 222895c0
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MB> This "experiment" would be impossible to set up. Just because the
MB> designated group is not praying for a certain person is no sign
MB> that some of the other 6 billion people on the face of the Earth
MB> aren't praying for them, and just because somebody in the group
MB> IS praying for a certain person is no sign that some of the
MB> other 6 billion people on the face of the Earth aren't
MB> praying that the person will be given a quick a merciful end
MB> to their suffering.
I've been over and over this with countless deists. They just don't seem
to get the message.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 08 Jan 97 20:08:16
EID:38ba 2228a100
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MB> It was in a Catholic hospital, and she "baptized" it immediately
MB> after I expelled it, believe it or not.
MB> We wouldn't want its immortal soul to end up in purgatory, now,
MB> would we?
Typical. I'm surprised that theylet you in for ANY reason when not carrying
a baby to term.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: demo
|Date: 08 Jan 97 20:09:23
EID:40a0 2228a120
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REPLY: 1:105/302.666 cec38dc4
MG>> You know, Chris, you become more annoying by the day.
MB> He is trying to annoy you. Don't play into his hand.
I am aware of this. I'm just skipping his stuff now. I think that our
corresponance will be very limited.
MB> Don't you practice at a teaching hospital? I would think that,
MB> even if you aren't a professor yourself, it is clear that you had
MB> to pass muster by those who were in order to get the job (or keep
MB> it once you did get it). Chris has a blind spot in his thinking
MB> or else he wouldn't have come up with such a weak ad hominem.
My lab is at a medical school. I am not a professor but ont he junior faculty,
which means that I have some teaching duty and reserch dut, but don't have
to write the grants to get the money. I sponge off of someone else.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Heathens
|Date: 08 Jan 97 20:11:30
EID:a734 2228a160
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MG>> To be honest, I still believe that this has been cooked up
MG>> by you and Al. Time will tell me right or wrong.
MB> For whatever it might be worth, I think he's for real. I'll go
MB> one step further and say that I think the reason he used to
I still think that he cooked it up. I didn't really mena to include your
SIL in it, I just picked a post at random and replied to it to tell him
this.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Christians v Guns
|Date: 08 Jan 97 20:12:38
EID:6497 2228a180
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MB> indifference. People can be kept in a very secure facility
MB> and still be treated decently and given a life that has
MB> quality and hope in it. We are not doing that, and, as a
MB> result, we are making matters worse.
I'm all for reform when it works. I don't think it works all that well.
You well know that when a surgeon visits the family after removing a tumor,t
he question is "Did you get it all? Is he cured?" The surgeon will answer
giving a percentage that the patient is cured. But there is always that
nagging feeling that it can recur.
The analogy to felons is the same. I certainly don't believe that everyone
in prison should be there. I certainly don't believe that everyone that
is not in prison shoudn't be there. But to ask the question "Will they
ever do it again?", most do. For second offenses, I'm for offing them.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 08 Jan 97 20:21:40
EID:4f33 2228a2a0
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REPLY: 1:123/67.7 32d05c53
JH>> Jim Bowie was a slave trader from New Orleans.
DW> Take that!
Awshit. How can I bitch about Bowie when god wiped out all the life on
the planet?
I'd be a slave trader too, rather than that.
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|From: Mimi Milstein
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Scopes was convicted!
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:10:51
EID:7271 2229a940
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Hello Dan!
Dan Ceppa wrote in a message to Martin Goldberg:
DC> BTW, for once, the movie of that title was done very well.
DC> And, if I remember correctly, it was _QB VII_ For some
DC> reason, "7" seems to be 'right'. The book is still
DC> superior, but the movie did a great job. Not often that I
DC> can ever state that, so I did.
I agree, the film treatment of the book was very close to the
original - and then they had Anthony Hopkins, among many other
luminaries, to give his interpretation of the twisted doctor.
Another reason the visual version was so good was that it
wasn't exactly a 'movie' (in which most books come out as a
poor digested resume). It was a 6 or 8 hrs British TV series,
so there was time to develop the various branches of the story.
And you are right, it was 'QB VII' (Queen's Bench No 7), the
name of the London courtroom in which the libel case took
place.
... Greetings from Mimi
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Dander raising
|Date: 09 Jan 97 02:12:39
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PID: GED3 2.5
07 Jan 97 12:33, Gwenny the Pooh wrote to Marilyn Burge:
MB>> knows it or not. He's a sadistic bully who gets his jollies by
MB>> watching other people express their pain. I've just now twitted
MB>> him. He is a waste of oxygen and foodstuffs.
GP> I KNEW he picked the wrong person to bully. Go for it.
Reading comprehension problems, Gwen? Read the above again, focusing on
the second complete sentence.
~~~ In other words, you're full of shit, you *know*
you're full of shit, you know that *we* know you're
full of shit, and you simply don't have the backbone
to come out of the full-of-shit closet.
- David Worrell
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: 2 CORINTHIANS 9:13
|Date: 09 Jan 97 02:40:11
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PID: GED3 2.5
07 Jan 97 12:50, Gwenny the Pooh wrote to Roger Hunter:
GP> I really am skeptic.
Really?
GP> Take empathy.
I'd rather not.
GP> Now, I know I am empathic, but I've never seen that as a 'mystical'
GP> thing. The more I look at it, the more I am inclined to believe it
GP> is merely hypersensitivity to body language and smell. I think I
GP> "smell" a person getting angry or sad, not that I mystically "sense"
GP> it.
Have you any more evidence to support your belief than do those who claim
it is some "mystical" thing?
If not, you're just as full of shit as they are.
GP> I don't know.
That much is glaringly obvious.
GP> Still working on it.
Oh, you're *working* on it. Please excuse me for interrupting your valuable
scientific inquiry. If I may, though, I do have one question: How, precisely,
are you "working" on it? Burning goofy candles and hoping for the best,
maybe?
~~~ No opera plot can be sensible, for in sensible
situations people do not sing.
- W. H. Auden
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|From: David Worrell
|To: Arthur Barnes
|Sub: "flat earth" town
|Date: 09 Jan 97 02:40:32
EID:5a8a 22291500
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PID: GED3 2.5
07 Jan 97 15:48, Arthur Barnes wrote to Dave Hamilton:
AB> No, see, I'm very inept at anything related to mathmatics.
I would never have guessed.
AB> Except for the calculations that go along with biology and chemistry.
Math is different for biology and chemistry? Back in the old days, math
was just math now matter where you did it.
Of course, we also had to walk to school barefoot in the snow. Uphill both
ways, even.
DH>> Now the book. Don't they expect you to read anything but one
DH>> book, or to take responsibility for passing courses yourself?
AB> We get one book. That's what they teach us out of. I wouldn't know
AB> what else to get. I can't very well pass a test that has questions
AB> that I've never seen and have no idea of how to solve on it.
Silly me. I always thought school was to teach you how to learn. They must
have dropped that part.
AB> That has nothing to do with it. They tried to do all the schedualing
AB> on a new computerized system without even checking to see if things
AB> were right. This semester I was lucky. My schedual didn't change.
My
AB> friends weren't so fortunate. My friend, Thomas, ended up in "Family
AB> Living". A few of my other friends had no third period class. Two
of
AB> my friends ended up in "Journalism II". They haven't even taken
AB> Journalism I. My friend Brandon was marked on his schedual as being
a
AB> freshman. He's a sophmore.
How *do* you and your friends manage to go on, having burdens of this magnitude?
BTW, the word you are looking for is "schedule." I guess English isn't your
strong suit, either.
~~~ This echo is abomination. This echo is also filled
with those who will one day bend their knee to Jesus
Christ and call him Lord, whether they like it or not!
And to think how much fun I'm gonna have fun watching
you say it. - Martin Riley
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|From: Christopher Baker
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: What a picture
|Date: 09 Jan 97 00:44:12
EID:3ecf 22290580
speaking of pictures...
was there a notice here about the HolySmoke Webring forming on the Internet?
i found it by accident and set it up yesterday on my page.
http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/christop.html
i was somewhat dismayed that i had to plow thru 3 or 4 levels to find your
Ring notice but i did find it. [grin]
QOFM.
Chris
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|From: Christopher Baker
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: The ALIGNMENT LIST, part
|Date: 09 Jan 97 01:56:32
EID:9c4b 22290f00
> (I've received several notes telling me that half of this dissolved in
> transient--so I'm re-posting it in two parts. Thank you to all of you
> who let me know there was a problem.)
only part 1 arrived here.
Christopher Baker Edgewater, FL USA atheist from birth HolySmoke since
(cbaker84@digital.net) inception
(http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/christop.html)
(Site 10 in HolySmoke Webring)
QOFM.
Chris
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 07 Jan 97 09:40:00
EID:ebfd 22274d00
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Karen Davis...
>KD> Biology would indicate that the "first person" would
>KD> have been female.
JS> But he wasn't. REad the book.
What book?
By the way, the "first person" is nonsense: individuals
do not evolve---- populations do. The first humans were
a population of females and males.
... Krishna's birth: the ORIGINAL reason for the season!
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: LEE WOOFENDEN
|Sub: Why don't we see God[sic]
|Date: 07 Jan 97 09:45:00
EID:3ceb 22274da0
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-=> Quoting Lee Woofenden to David Rice <=-
>>LW> Here's something to add to the discussion about why
>>LW> we don't usually see God[sic].
>DR> Don't "usually?!" Since when has anyone seen gods,
>DR> "non-usually" or otherwise?
LW> You reject all the eye-witness accounts,
One cannot "reject" what does not exist, nor "reject"
evidence that has never ever ever been presented. By all
means, do produce your "eye-witness" if you have one.
LW> so there's not much point in discussing it.
Translation: your false, baseless assertion is know by you
to be wrong, therefore you refuse to defend it and thus
make you appear even more the fool.
If my translation is wrong, you need only produce some
evidence for those gods you assert exist. I will happily
retract my skepticism in that arena.
... "You're actually right for once, Satan." -- Darryl Gonzalez
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: End Times are upon us!
|Date: 07 Jan 97 10:57:00
EID:debd 22275720
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to David Rice <=-
>>CG> Is it correct David, that the LDS have a 'Sacred
>>CG> Mountain' in which they are supposed to store
>>CG> their genealogy records?
>DR> I have no idea, but it would not surprise me. The
>DR> location would be in The New Zion (center of the
>DR> USA) if it exists.
GTP> Oh, it exists, dear. It is a huge underground
GTP> climate controlled storage area where genealogical
GTP> records are kept. There have been several "news
GTP> articles" on it in the past few years. You can
GTP> go to your local Ward Library and request copies
GTP> of any record to complete your research. Unless
GTP> you are smart like me and avoid any contact
GTP> with them.
The only reason I can think of for why the cult would
have these records is if they intend to enact "race-"
based laws or perpetrate "race-" based genocide. They
want to know who's "white" (chosen by their gods) and who
ain't (Satan's chosen). If they have any other rational
basis for their lust over geneology, I have not heard
about it. I cannot see how it matters who begat whom.
... Yeah... maybe 5 years from now, when she's 18. -- QF
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Well, women?
|Date: 07 Jan 97 11:35:00
EID:949d 22275c60
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to All <=-
FR> #include Promise Keeper JIM STAAL
>iJS> I must say you must live on a pink cloud to have let
>iJS> yourself been deluded by these women. Their general
>iJS> purpose here has been clear to me from the beginning:
>iJS> they hate men in general, and Christian men in
>iJS> particular.
FR> How about that? A surprise, huh?
I have a theory about this in general (not Mister Staal in
particular), i.e. men who hate women.
Much of that hate derives, my theory goes, from
frustration over the fact that women will have little or
nothing to do with them. These men want women to "hate men
in general" because that is the most comforting
explanation for why women will have nothing to do with
these men.
These men feel the neurotic need to be hated by women,
since they desire that their own hatred of women be
reciprocated. That neurosis is constantly inforced because
women do not as a rule hate these men--- they merely
ignore them, utterly apathetic: and that infuriates such
men, increasing their frustration which in turn fuels
their hatred of women. A viscious circle ensues.
The individual manifestation of this neurosis can and
often does, include other rationalizations, such as "women
hate me because I'm black;" "small of penis;" "Christian;"
"bald;" or "prettier than they are."
Conversely, most men know women have a damn good reason to
hate and fear men: history and the day's newspaper says
they should, out of self-defense. And =STILL= women as a
rule do not hate men: they merely fear and distrust them.
Quoting the 1991 _Information_Please_ almanac. Total
arrests: 14,340,900 (male--86.2%, female 13,8%) Arrests
for violent crimes 1989:
Male % Female %
Murder 14,852 88.2 1,989 11.8
Rape 27,796 98.8 325 1.2
Agg. Assault 281,196 86.7 43,215 13.3
Abuses against children
and spouse 42,724 82.0 9,366 18.0
"Sex offenses" other than
rape and vice 70,737 92.4 5,810 7.6
... Please, God, save me from some of your followers!
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Grand Canyon Pissing Cont
|Date: 07 Jan 97 11:41:00
EID:7400 22275d20
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Dan Ceppa <=-
FR> #include John Musselwhite
>>JM> I've been to the Grand Canyon, Laurie... I've even
>>JM> taken a leak off the edge and watched it fly a mile
>>JM> down.
"So YOU'RE the one!"
>DC> Yes, but is it in your free will to be able to piss
>DC> one mile up?
FR> Einstein already showed us that there's really no
FR> difference and that whether John pissed down into
FR> the canyon or whether piss rushed up the canyon
FR> into John is simply a matter of reference point.
From the Grand Canyon's point of view, it was "Oh shit.
Here comes some more. Goddamned tourists."
... Belief, believe, believes. Conjugates of the verb "to blindly accept"
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Jesse's last lament
|Date: 07 Jan 97 11:45:00
EID:4149 22275da0
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-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Steve Quarrella <=-
>>FR> Oh Jesse, we're all so scared that
>>FR> our gods will team up with Wonder Woman to smite
>>FR> us all! <-snort-> I mean, what if we're wrong
>>FR> and Wonder Woman actually _does_ exist?
>SQ> I'll be -running- to join THAT church!
FR> As would many of us. }:-}
RUNNING to join? No. On my knees crawling, sure.
... Reason kills Creationism dead!
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Mustard Bath!
|Date: 07 Jan 97 12:14:00
EID:8898 222761c0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to David Rice <=-
>>DR> I "finished" working in the bilge today. What a
>>DR> load of jesusing jesus that jesus was. I created
>>DR> a wiring harness TWICE for the electric bilge
>>DR> pump, and I still forgot the jesus inline fuse!
>>DR> Jesus!
Jesus the jesus to jesus!
FR> So now that you have the bilge pump working, we can
FR> have mustard delivered to the galley under pressure!
FR> Loving it! Good idea.
Sea water to the galley sink would be a plus.
>DR> so I looked at the tube again--- the words "Quick
>DR> Hardening" MIRACULOUSLY turned into "Non-Hardening"
>DR> while I wasn't looking.
FR> Did you use the clear calking material? That works
FR> and is good for underwater jobs... I used it to
FR> adhear the mounting plank to the fiberglass and
FR> it's constantly wet yet still solid. If you used
FR> the white calking material, you deserve everything
FR> that's coming to you. }:-}
Yes, it was Les Nesman white, thank you.
"I know you're good at sports. . ." -- Les
"Why, thank you Les." -- Venus
". . . because your a negro." -- Les
FR> It's a Real Good Thing [...]
Wished him into the cord field?
FR> [...] that you got everything apart before it set.
FR> That pump is a HUGE mother; it would be a bitch to
FR> have to buy another one.
Roughly US$70.00 to replace.
FR> I'll have to see the puppy in action.
Three days ago I rewired the whole jesused jesus system
again--- the third time. Now I am happy with it. Now it
has heavy wire, crimped splices, crimped lugs, and the
inline fuse. I was confused on the color scheme since it
has two or three positive leads and one negative lead.
S1 = floating switch
S2 = manual switch
black
,====================================[battery]==.
| |
Pump ====.====> S1 <====.===============[fuse]===='
red | | red red
'====> S2 <===='
Looking at the switches one sees red wires on both sides,
but at the pump and batter one sees one black and one
red wire.
... Look, Chickie. It's your Bible, your rules; YOU go to hell. - Marty
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: STEVE QUARRELLA
|Sub: Al S.; Warring Christanic
|Date: 07 Jan 97 12:17:00
EID:fc76 22276220
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-=> Quoting Steve Quarrella to Fredric Rice <=-
>FR> Promethus and Lucifer are on the side of atheists.
Yeah, and Satan is on the side of Christians. They just
don't realize it.
SQ> You -do- realize that you've probably made the Jesse
SQ> C. Jones Fundy quotefile for that one, don't you? :)
What an honor!
... A virgin girl who is raped must marry her rapist. Deut. 22:28-29
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: 'Bible Prophesy'
|Date: 08 Jan 97 11:45:00
EID:3e55 22285da0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to David Rice <=-
>DR> It has been over two weeks since I posted the 23-message
>DR> series that utterly refuted the myth that there are valid
AS> Dave, I saw it...but I'll be honest with you. Prophecies
AS> are, at the very least, a matter of interpretation, and
AS> arguing which prophecies came true is a bottomless
AS> morrass, and finally, I had more than enough stuff to
AS> address directed specifically at ME. I actually
AS> agreed with a lot of your points but with all the
AS> other stuff I had to answer, I didn't feel like wading
AS> through 23 messages going--"well, I agree here, no, I
AS> disagree there..." etc.
In Thomas Paine's "The Age Of Reason" books one and two
he explained why the god(s) would not resort to revelation
and prophesy--- his reason what exactly what you said:
"Prophecies are, at the very least, a matter of
interpretation...." They are therefore flawed, and if
the god(s) is perfect, a perfect means would be used.
But that's the LEAST of the "Bible Prophesy" belief's
problems.
... Yeah... maybe 5 years from now, when she's 18. -- QF
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: BILL FORSETH
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 08 Jan 97 11:55:00
EID:4807 22285ee0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Bill Forseth to Nate Cookson <=-
>NC> A guess on your part.... The FACT remains it is
>NC> one of the most published books in the history
>NC> of mankind. And one of the MOST READ.
I loke it when imbicilic fundies (redundant) use the
word "FACT" in their sentences--- if makes their
entire argument immediately suspect.
BF> Hustler is a big seller, too. Does that lend credence
BF> to it?
Mein Kamph was required reading in Germany schools. That
must mean it is the word of god.
And I read Big 'Uns myself. . . .
BF> Popularity has a poor claim on truth.
I also doubt that the Bible is "one of the most read"
books in history, considering the vast majority of Bible-
owners have never read it. Aesop and Shakespear probably
outnumber Bible-readers fifty-to-one.
... Newt does -NOT- speak for me!
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: fundy clown
|Date: 08 Jan 97 12:06:00
EID:7948 222860c0
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Jim Staal <=-
>JS> There was no intent to defraud.
DC> What do you call begging money for what you try to pass
DC> off as music?
If Madona and Mick Jagger can do it, why not James?
... An accommodating vice is better than an obstinate virtue.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: I'll be back...
|Date: 08 Jan 97 12:18:00
EID:c00f 22286240
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to David Rice <=-
>DR> ". . . lay down under a tree, and FUCK MY BRAINS OUT!"
>DR> (Farrah Fawcett Majors)
DC> Hmmm, I don't remember her in that movie...
It's possible I have in mind "Cannon-ball Run." Same movie,
different actors.
>DR> Or when the gas pump jockey asked the Mad Hungarian if
>DR> he's cold, AFTER the latter warms his hands by putting
>DR> them on his motorcycle's engine until they sizzle.
DC> Then, there was the time he was speeding over a pass, hit
DC> some ice, and became the world's first tree hugger!
"Oh, I do so hope the Mad Hungarian sees that bit o' black
ice."
... Drink till she's cute. Stop before you get married.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: Carl Sagan
|Date: 08 Jan 97 12:22:00
EID:3331 222862c0
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to David Rice <=-
>DR> became a raving fundamentalist Creationist (multi-
>DR> redundant), and died in the saving arms of Jesus.
DC> Well, it's all over now. The Rapture has occurred
DC> and took only Carl Sagan to heaven. The fundys can
DC> all go home now, as they weren't choosen because
DC> they were idiots.
And the fundy's will be refused when they ask their
cult masters for refunds on their "love offerings."
... You lie out of both sides of your anus, aka your mouth, Staal. -- DC
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAN CEPPA
|Sub: Holiday Wishes
|Date: 08 Jan 97 12:26:00
EID:3c0f 22286340
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-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Gwenny The Pooh <=-
>Gt> Works for me. You bring the Egg Nog I'll bring the
>GT> Capt Morgan.
DC> Can I bring Morgan Fairchild?
I'll bring Morgan Brittney.
... Your charade is wearing thin, Jimbo. Just like your lack of meds. -
DC
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GLEN TODD
|Sub: True Folk
|Date: 08 Jan 97 12:31:00
EID:ccff 222863e0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Glen Todd to David Rice <=-
GT> 'Community' or 'people' is closer than 'coven' as
GT> 'coven' is presumptively an initiate study and
GT> working group, which would remotely be applicable
GT> only to the small subset of Asatruar who are actively
GT> involved with the priesthood and with magick. The
GT> name 'Asatru' literally translates as 'True to the
GT> Gods'; specifically the High Gods of the Scandinavian
GT> and Teutonic lands, the Aesir and Vanir. In a larger
GT> scope (as I originally used it), I would define that
GT> term as including any person who is honourable and
GT> ethical, and who is true to their kin and kindred,
GT> and to their people and the path of their people.
Thank you for the Wednsday School [*] lesson. :-) Now
you can answer another question I have.
I'm looking for an English translation of Wagner's "The
Ring," in both music and word. If there isn't an English
translation in music, I'd take the original. Is there
such a beast?
[*] This is a wit test.
... are you a athiest or a thiest? If so, what denomonation? -- Pollock
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: humor the fundy fools
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:01:33
EID:9606 2229a030
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RC> I don't *believe* anything, period.
AS> Well, then it becomes moot, doesn't it? You don't even believe
AS> in the world in front of you, then.
rc> Of course not, as having *belief* in that which is right in front
rc> of you has to be the most superfluous thing I've ever heard of.
He's turning into a metafundy. He wants to make things which are manifest
in existance equal to those which are not and then attribute belief to both.
~*~ It does not take a complex to know that I am persecuted
in this conference. - Jesse C. Jones
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: demonic pacts
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:05:39
EID:dc66 2229a0b3
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RC> I never received my Secret Atheist Undergound instruction manual.
SQ> Call 1-800-RICEBRO for your copy.
rc> I tried that already, but all I got was a spell checking
rc> program mailed to me that changes correctly spelled words
rc> to the Fred Rice variants.
Just think, with the way things are going in the United States, _my_ way
will eventually become the standard way. }:-}
~*~ "May the Lord Jesus Christ soften your heart, Mr Martin." - Doug Snead
"He seems to have done a very good job of softening your brain."
- J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:16:08
EID:ae6b 2229a204
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>>FR> How about a contest where theists pray for something to happen and
>>FR> atheists pray for something else to happen... We could tally-up the
>>FR> results and use them to show the value of praying.
>>as> Fred, exactly WHAT would that prove?
FR> You're an ass, Al.
rv> Nothing like dry casting with out a hook,
rv> and catching a fundy on the first cast.
What's funny is that he wasn't my intended target.
I had hoped that my intended target would propose some test conditions which
I would have agreed to reguardless.
The whole point is that thinking at deities _always_ results in answers
to people's prayers -- and it doesn't matter which gods one thinks at.
A contest would prove the point and I think that's why the intended fundy
didn't take the bait. He knows that one could pray at a table cloth and
get an answer.
~*~ Who needs a mind when one has a bible? - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:24:47
EID:bc03 2229a317
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DW> Well, technically speaking, Buddha isn't a god (he never claimed to
be,
DW> IIRC). Not that that stops lots of people from worshipping him as one
DW> anyhow.
gtp> True. I believe most Buddhists are quite close kin to
gtp> atheists. But there are still more Buddhists than xtians.
Buddhists have been involved in a great many inhuman slaughters in the past
just like Christianity, Islam, and Judism. I wonder if there's anything
seriously different between religions when they contain the potential for
such things.
One of the last series of Buddhists slaughters was against fellow Buddhists...
They think that when their leader dies he's automatically reincarnated as
a baby. Two groups each "found" their reincarnated leader, one a 10-year-old
and the other an 8-year-old. The two groups went to war.
~*~ Maybe He did say something and it just was not recorded. - Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Holysmoke convention
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:29:09
EID:b0fc 2229a3a4
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KW> Or team up with others of us who cant stand to sleep in nightclothes!
DM> Ah, that would be me.
DM> (Lucky me!)
kw> Well, that'll make three (four? I assume that Glen will
kw> be there, too) in the clothing optional room.
We're going to find out just how many naked pagans can fit in a Las Vegas
hotel room. Cool.
~*~ The stronger the supernatural beliefs, the worse the inhumanity.
- James A. Haught
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: More Toddlings, News at 11
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:33:28
EID:50cc 2229a42e
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gtp> Hey, folks. My daughters now have points
gtp> and will be joining us in the fray.
"Show us their points!"
[er, sorry... had to be said.] }:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: More Toddlings, News at 11
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:34:07
EID:50cc 2229a443
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 0493ff42
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gtp> (Now we outnumber the Rices, even with the new brother. Neenerneener)
I've got three boys here who can type... }:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: The steve winter faq
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:37:19
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FR> thought that the measure making them responsible has
FR> never passed. Or, perhaps it's a state-by-state thing.
jb> State-by-state.
That's good to know. I'll have to dig up some specifics and get the publications.
Yesterday my wife's Jeep was hit by an old woman who should really have
been retired from driving years ago. I hope I don't have to take the little
old woman to court.
jb> And in NC, for losing, Stevie could
jb> end up owing Concentric TRIPLE damages.
Man I wish. That would teach the fuck a lesson.
~*~ All the evidence indicates that the universe is simply about
15 billion years old, and that's that. - Hector Plasmic
Please provide evidence that the earth is 15 billion years old.
- Johnny Mckinney (fundy; equates age of universe with age of Earth)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:43:11
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PD> Of course, this still doesn't prove the existence of God but it
PD> could show that there is actually something in praying anyway.
jd> There is no need for a prayer test.
jd> Every occupied hospital bed is evidence that prayer doesn't work.
[...cuts...]
All very good points! Nothing fails as badly as prayer fails.
~*~ Origin: MARANATHA! NETWORK, KILLING FOR JESUS! (1:102/890) - FLR
I wonder if a Fido Policy complaint against your node would work?
If not, prayer will. - Martin Riley
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:44:49
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KB@> Why? because some old book says so?
cp> This "old book" has survived for literly thousands of years.
The Iliad is older than that... Do you pretend that Zeus also exists?
If not, you're being dishonest with yourself.
As you can see, the fact that ignorant desert dwellers believed in the occult
2,000 years ago only serves to prove the lack of credability. The mere
fact that there is no evidence for deity constructs stands.
~*~ When I became a Christian, I found myself in a dilemma.
- Johnny Mckinney
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:47:45
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dw> The student in question was wearing black lipstick (which seems
dw> to be a current fad nationwide), a teacher claimed that the
dw> lipstick violated this rule and called in the principal to expel
dw> her. The school was sued over it, mainly because the rule was
dw> so vague that there was too much room for inconsistancy in
dw> enforcing it. The student was allowed back in school, but
dw> her parents transferred her to a different school anyhow. The
dw> general opinion locally is that the school administrators are
dw> a bunch of idiots for expelling the girl.
Thanks for the update... utterly amazing! No, I had no idea what the background
was and to hear it I find that the story is even more bizarre than what
the news reported.
And a double standard? What if a boy wore black lipstick to school?
~*~ 'SIN' is a purely religious concept. To those of us who have no
religion, sin doesn't exist except as an abstract theoretical
concept. - Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Starfire
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:49:13
EID:9514 2229a626
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star> Hello people I have begain to post
star> in hollysmoke.:} I am Gweny's girl Starfire.
Greetings and welcome!
star> The quickest way to a mans heart is with a broadsword,
Ah, daughter like mother... we routinely check your mother for hidden weapons
when she posts in here.
~*~ I give thanks to God for my limited mental capabilities...
- Andrew Conner
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: do you know this gay?
|Date: 09 Jan 97 20:53:04
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> Thought you'd be itnerested in this........
> * Original To : all, 1:124/9005.221
> * Original From: Mahmut Kursun, 2:2480/13.145@fidonet
> * Original Date: Jan 04 21:49
> Hey, I just diddled this Webpage:
> http://www.stbbs.com/personal/frice
"Diddled?" Is that anything like masturbating while looking at
my web page with my photograph on it?
> Do you know who it is? There is a picture of a clerk sitting on a table
> with a bottle of coke lite on the table and a laptop and there are
> a couple of Music Cassettes beside the bottle.
Cool. I'm a clerk. I'm sitting on a table.
> I can imagine this is Glodbreg? Would you help me with that buddy?
> --- FastEcho 1.21
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Interesting. I'll have to see what "diddled" means in zone 2.
What's neat is that the web pages are _wonderful_ advertising... The number
of files that get downloaded from here is astounding.
~*~ Thanks for allow me to post this Fido News! - Martin Riley
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Well, women?
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:00:10
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> FR> #include Promise Keeper JIM STAAL
>>iJS> I must say you must live on a pink cloud to have let
>>iJS> yourself been deluded by these women. Their general
>>iJS> purpose here has been clear to me from the beginning:
>>iJS> they hate men in general, and Christian men in
>>iJS> particular.
> FR> How about that? A surprise, huh?
> I have a theory about this in general (not Mister Staal in
> particular), i.e. men who hate women.
[...cuts...]
Saved to disk. I think your theory holds a great deal of merit.
~*~ Psychiatrists are in business for one reason only, to control or
kill as many beings as possible. - Scott Rider
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Jesse's last lament
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:04:08
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>>>FR> Oh Jesse, we're all so scared that
>>>FR> our gods will team up with Wonder Woman to smite
>>>FR> us all! <-snort-> I mean, what if we're wrong
>>>FR> and Wonder Woman actually _does_ exist?
SQ> I'll be -running- to join THAT church!
FR> As would many of us. }:-}
dr> RUNNING to join? No. On my knees crawling, sure.
A religion where every male has to walk bent over. Cool.
~*~ If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic. - Starwyn
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Mustard Bath!
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:14:31
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>>>DR> I "finished" working in the bilge today. What a
>>>DR> load of jesusing jesus that jesus was. I created
>>>DR> a wiring harness TWICE for the electric bilge
>>>DR> pump, and I still forgot the jesus inline fuse!
>>>DR> Jesus!
dr> Jesus the jesus to jesus!
Yes, I see the tight compartment you must work within. (Jesus must be 'in
you.') And I suspected you had a wire to lift the hose somewhere even before
you mentioned it; it was obvious.
FR> So now that you have the bilge pump working, we can
FR> have mustard delivered to the galley under pressure!
FR> Loving it! Good idea.
dr> Sea water to the galley sink would be a plus.
That shouldn't be too difficult. Another pump... unless it's a hand pump.
I've been running my engine a little every night for the last week. It
starts right up within a few seconds every time without primeing.
>>DR> so I looked at the tube again--- the words "Quick
>>DR> Hardening" MIRACULOUSLY turned into "Non-Hardening"
>>DR> while I wasn't looking.
FR> Did you use the clear calking material? That works
FR> and is good for underwater jobs... I used it to
FR> adhear the mounting plank to the fiberglass and
FR> it's constantly wet yet still solid. If you used
FR> the white calking material, you deserve everything
FR> that's coming to you. }:-}
dr> Yes, it was Les Nesman white, thank you.
"Someday there will be walls here!"
That clear silicone stuff works great... dries in a day no matter how wide
the bead, too. I keep checking my bilge mounting and it's still firm. 'Course
_salt_ water has yet to touch it.
dr> "I know you're good at sports. . ." -- Les
dr> "Why, thank you Les." -- Venus
dr> ". . . because your a negro." -- Les
"Hold me closer, tiny dancer."
FR> It's a Real Good Thing [...]
dr> Wished him into the cord field?
He thought bad thoughts. "You be dead now! Be dead!"
FR> [...] that you got everything apart before it set.
FR> That pump is a HUGE mother; it would be a bitch to
FR> have to buy another one.
dr> Roughly US$70.00 to replace.
What did you pay for the 115vac inverter?
We didn't have power for three days here at the house so I pulled the boat
battery out and put it in my living room. I wired a car headlight to it
for light at night and we invited people and children over for popcord,
coffee, and the mystery radio tapes you gave me. I had the only house with
electric light strong enough to read with -- every other house was totally
dark or had flickering candle light.
Afterwards the power came back and I put the battery back into the boat
-- it fired right up, even after running the lights for untold hours.
I wonder what the inverter would do to the battery.
FR> I'll have to see the puppy in action.
dr> Three days ago I rewired the whole jesused jesus system
dr> again--- the third time. Now I am happy with it. Now it
dr> has heavy wire, crimped splices, crimped lugs, and the
dr> inline fuse. I was confused on the color scheme since it
dr> has two or three positive leads and one negative lead.
dr> Looking at the switches one sees red wires on both sides,
dr> but at the pump and batter one sees one black and one
dr> red wire.
Do you have a continuity tester? That would have helped pick apart the
wires. And it's a Real Good Thing that you've decided to do things right
the third time.
~*~ Did Galileo give up the Catholic faith even in the face of persecution
and the threat of excommunication? I think not. - Charlie Ray
...instead of giving up the faith, he gave up the truth. - Don Martin
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:16:07
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BF> Popularity has a poor claim on truth.
dr> I also doubt that the Bible is "one of the most read"
dr> books in history, considering the vast majority of Bible-
dr> owners have never read it. Aesop and Shakespear probably
dr> outnumber Bible-readers fifty-to-one.
During the populating of the United States the Sears Catalog was the most
widely distributed and read book.
~*~ If only more christians read their bibles there'd be less christians.
- Derek W. Clayton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: I'll be back...
|Date: 09 Jan 97 21:16:49
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DC> Then, there was the time he was speeding over a pass, hit
DC> some ice, and became the world's first tree hugger!
dr> "Oh, I do so hope the Mad Hungarian sees that bit o' black ice."
"If you can catch us, you can HAVE us!"
~*~ I didn't join the Human race -- I was drafted. - Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Dating Service
|Date: 10 Jan 97 22:04:46
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I heard today that Ted "Yawn-so" (I've spelled it the way it sounds; I heard
it on the radio) killed himself on the 30'th of December. He's the Christian
who was accused of 38 counts of child sexual molestation and rape over the
course of some 28 years and 5 different churches.
His masters had known he was a pedophile and yet they did nothing but send
him to "counciling" afterwhich he was reinstated at another church and given
access to more children.
After the 38 counts were tossed out due to statute of limitations, there
remained six civil cases to be held. During this time the guy was shipped
to a Washington, DC neighborhood -- a family neighborhood, I might add --
by his masters where he took up a job in a book store.
KFI AM 640 Los Angeles talk radio with "Ken and Bob" covered this guy and
the epidemic problem of Christian masters rapeing and sexually mollesting
children. The fact that the Christian higher-ups do little to solve the
problem was questioned.
One of the people who came onto the show was the mother of one of the victims
of this Ted guy. She had, at the time, not paid much attention to the accusations
her son had made when he was being mollested by this Christian master; she
didn't ask her son for the details and simply placed a complaint with her
priesthood which assured her that the issue would be looked into.
After Ted made the newspapers she was shocked to realize that her son was
probably subjected to a great deal more than she thought. She mentioned
that she hadn't bothered to check back with her priesthood to see if the
problem was taken care of because she trusted her priesthood and thought
that it would have been taken care of.
She later learned that her priesthood had taken her complaint and those
of several others and simply shipped Ted off to another church rather than
(as any NORMAL person would have) shot the bastard or taken him to jail
-- the moral and right thing to do.
On the 30'th of December the guy killed himself and in a letter demanded
he was innocent (never mind the fact that he had previously confessed to
his masters repeatedly and was shipped from place to place because of his
"little problem.")
One caller tried to pretend that the Christian religion wasn't the problem;
that there are bound to be a few bad apples in any profession and that this
type of thing was aborational (an apologetic Catholic spindoctor caller,
by the way.) The talk show hosts wouldn't let that claim lie without being
challanged and pointed out that _by_profession_ the Christian priesthood
is a heaven for this kind of thing and that _possibly_ peple join the Christian
priesthood because they harbor pedophile feelings and hope that the temptation
to rape children will be stopped by taking a vow of non- sexuality.
Over all the show covered all the bases of Christian masters using their
posistions of mock authority to violate everything the rest of us hold moral
and right while also underscoreing again and again the fact that Christian
leaders do little to nothing to solve the problem, in effect making the
Christian priesthood a dating service for pedophiles.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 09 Jan 97 11:41:00
EID:fc0a 22295d20
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CH>DR> Abbot, Henry: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 4
July,
CH>1597DR> Abel, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Smithfield, England,
on
CH>30 Jul
CH>DR>1540
CH>DR> Alfield, Thomas: tortured and hanged at Tyburn, England, on 6 July,
1585
CH>DR> Almond, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on
5
CH>December
CH>(MUCH deleted!!!)
CH>David - Trivia info: Shortest verse in the Bible is... "Jesus wept."
CH>I am sure he wept over all the suffering you brought to my attention.
CH>Is it "Christ-like" to weep over suffering. It is not Christ-like to
CH>kill.
CH>All your examples are Man's cruel acts towards Man.
CH>Jesus (Christ) gives us no such examples of Himself acting in such
CH>manner.
CH>The only thing Christ-like about such torture, is that Man did the same
CH>thing to Jesus.
Fat lot of good his sniveling did all those folk killed in his name.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Re: Brett Johnson; jealou
|Date: 09 Jan 97 11:41:00
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BJ>For something to be sacred, it has to have some sort of exclusivity.
This is
BJ>the nature of man's relationship to God. This is the ultimate meaning
of the
BJ>verse "you shall not have other gods besides me."
BJ>The same situation exists for other sacred relationships in this life...the
BJ>most akin to the "God-Man" relationship being that between the husband
and
BJ>wife.
Considering the number of abused wives in this so-called christian
nations, that sure says a lot for your god.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Re: Holiday Books
|Date: 09 Jan 97 11:41:00
EID:8b7b 22295d20
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org a5eea97c
BJ>GT> No 'more than likely' about it, Brett. They _were_ all 'adopted'
from
BJ>GT> Pagan/Heathen customs, and not just the 'Christmas' ones. Check
out the
BJ>GT> origin of the name 'Easter' some time, as well as the symbols associated
BJ>wiGT> it.
BJ>All of which were baptized by Christians, their usefullness as symbols
BJ>transfered to Christian feasts and celebrations of the Christian mysteries.
BJ>I have no problem accepting this fact. My problem is of course when
some
BJ>pagans take it a step further and state that Christians somehow "borrow"
from
BJ>pagan ideals when it comes to what constitutes their faith.
Borrow nothing, they were down right stolen. How do you baptize a rite
to another god, anyway?
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 09 Jan 97 07:11:37
EID:4ca0 22293960
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 c33cc56f
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32d3127e
On (07 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Marilyn Burge...
AS> Yeah, at least for some medical things. They're trying to
AS> "double-blind" the experiments so as to eliminate any placebo
AS> effect (i.e., the person being prayed for doesn't know if
AS> he's being prayed for or not.) But I don't think they've
AS> broken it down by religion yet. More like, those prayed for
AS> SEEM to be doing better than the obverse.
MB> This "experiment" would be impossible to set up. Just because the
MB> designated group is not praying for a certain person is no sign
MB> that some of the other 6 billion people on the face of the Earth
MB> aren't praying for them, and just because somebody in the group IS
MB> praying for a certain person is no sign that some of the other 6
MB> billion people on the face of the Earth aren't praying that the
MB> person will be given a quick a merciful end to their suffering.
MB> How do you possibly control for THAT?
AS> You can't, and that's an excellent point. Except perhaps to
AS> think if you take a large enough group, both as a control
AS> group and the group being prayed for, that such things will
AS> equal out. But that is indeed a factor. Indeed, those who
AS> pray who KNOW the person, would not a hypothetical diety take
AS> their prayers into account MORE than a comparative stranger
AS> who is disinterestedly praying for them?
Still doesn't account for it. A designated pray-er, according to
your "logic," could easily be overcome by a concerned friend or
family member. How do we keep THEM from praying and bollixing the
controls?
AS> All we can do is assume, in a large enough sampling, there
AS> are people praying for many of them, but that the additional
AS> prayer might "nudge" it more in one direction than another.
AS> Do you perhaps have a better suggestion? Perhaps something
AS> inanimate, a la Brawley's meteorite? That would not normally
AS> have something prayed for one way or the other... I also
AS> wonder how we would counter a claim from the parapsychology
AS> crowd...how some would claim it's man's innate "psychic"
AS> powers acting rather than a deity. Suggestions? Not just from
AS> you, Marilyn, anyone got a good "test for God"? And that
AS> assumes God WANTS to be tested for...
No, I don't have a "better idea." I am merely pointing out why
such a study is totally impossible to conduct. Will you believers
NEVER give up on the idea that your worldview can be scienfically
verified, and merely get on with your little faith practices and
leave the rest of us alone?
... Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is ETERNAL.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 09 Jan 97 07:16:10
EID:03d0 22293a00
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On (07 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Marilyn Burge...
MB> Not a pretty picture. And, it means that, from my selfish
MB> point of view, I'll have at least THREE rotten Christmas
MB> seasons in a row. Last year it was Louie's chickenpox, this
MB> year it's Eileen's cancer, and next year. . . .
AS> I didn't say anything about this earlier, because I didn't
AS> think you'd be able to see it. But I'm very sorry you are
AS> going through this, but I'm glad they got the malignant one
AS> out, and hope the treatments do slow any others down, as long
AS> as the quality of life stays fairly decent for her...and for
AS> those who are supporting her.
They didn't "get the malignant one out." They got the malignant
one out of her BRAIN. The one in her lung is measurably larger,
and has mestastisized to the point where it spread to her brain.
THAT is the actually source of the problem, and they aren't even
going to TRY to get at it.
... Person+delusion = psychosis. People+delusion = religion.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: cheese whiz
|Date: 09 Jan 97 07:19:29
EID:bd22 22293a60
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On (08 Jan 97) Gwenny the Pooh babbled to Marilyn Burge...
Gt>> (And I still want to know why this can't be the cause of the
Gt>> alledged increase in breast cancer)
MB> I believe all cancers are a function of age (the older you get,
MB> the more likely you'll get cancer).
Gt> I am sure that the incidence of cancer, like many diseases, increases
Gt> with age. To call it a "function" of age is a bit much.
I got it backwards. AGE is a function of CANCER INCIDENCE, if
I'm not mistaken about the concept to begin with. That is why
more people die of cancer today than did, say, a hundred years
ago; people live long enough now to die of cancer instead of
pneumonia or the other infections for which we had no cures.
MB> If that is true, then we must look at the baby boomers and their trip
MB> through the population and see where they are at the moment. Having
MB> been born in 1946-64, they would be between 42 and 50 at the moment.
MB> How much you want to bet THAT has something to do with the increase
in
MB> cancer?
Gt> Undoubtedly. All stats have been increasing, unless you are doing it
Gt> statistically, because of the fact there are some many more people.
No, that would be the RAW NUMBERS that are increasing, which says
nothing about the incidence per 1,000, or 100,000, or whatever.
MB> Given the fact that few menopausal women are all that thrilled
MB> about having another infant in the house, I wouldn't be surprised if,
MB> after adjusting the breast-cancer/abortion numbers for age, much of
MB> the conicidence wouldn't disappear.
Gt> How do abortions fall out by age?
I don't know, and I doubt if Nate has even entertained a thought that
there might be a connection, or has the brainpower to investigate the
question even if he did consider it. And, if he considered it, he
didn't have the honesty to admit the flaw in his little post on the
topic, now, did he? That would put him in the same category as
Appletoon.
... If we honor the rights of gays then everyone else will want rights too!
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Dander raising
|Date: 09 Jan 97 07:24:05
EID:ce20 22293b00
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On (08 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Marilyn Burge...
AS> Yes. That does indeed make a difference. Even in flaming, there are
AS> limits, insofar as common decency is concerned. And insulting one's
kids
AS> crosses it for me...when the kids are in no way involved.
GT> My point precisely. Fun's fun, but that was uncalled-for.
MB> Notice his sig.line now. He sent me a private message when I
MB> called him on what he was doing in here, and I answered the
MB> private message IN PRIVATE. Now he's using one of the paragraphs
MB> from that PRIVATE message as his sig.line.
AS> I believe he mentioned, while Robert and I were discussing the
AS> confidentiality of email, that any email sent to him he feels free
to
AS> do with what he will, without consulting the sender. So the echo as
a
AS> whole was warned, but you might not have seen that.
MB> Isn't there something in POLICY 4 about being excessively
MB> annoying? The worse of it is, he's deliberately TRYING to be
MB> excessively annoying. The boy seriously needs help, whether
MB> he knows it or not. He's a sadistic bully who gets his jollies
MB> by watching other people express their pain. I've just now
MB> twitted him. He is a waste of oxygen and foodstuffs.
AS> That may be the fastest way. I don't think David's violating any
AS> rules, just being a jerk.
No, I think he is. He's being excessively annoying, and, I've got
an e-mail from him that admits he's doing to deliberately, just to
see the Todds' reactions to his taunting.
... There are no Christian Moderators here that are going to save you.
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|From: Christian Hedemark
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 09 Jan 97 06:26:04
EID:ef94 22293340
MSGID: 1:273/416.0 219093f4
PID: ViaMAIL! v1.20b 95-0056
I said, and Martin replied:
MG> CH> I am sure he wept over all the suffering you brought to my
MG> CH> attention.
MG>I see you have chosen the apologetic route. Please explain to me why
your
MG>merciful and all powerful god lets this kind of shit go down.
Martin!
Thank you for the reply. Sure, I would be happy to answer your question,
but help me try to relate to you, please. I ask...
Have you any faith that you would like to share? A belief in a supreme
being? Minimally, a "Higher Power"?
BTW - you appear to be capable of elevated communication. May we keep
vocabulary civil while speaking to each other?
Love
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|From: Christian Hedemark
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 09 Jan 97 06:26:05
EID:4b23 22293340
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PID: ViaMAIL! v1.20b 95-0056
Re: FR>FR> How about a contest where theists pray for something to
FR>FR> happen and atheists pray for something else to happen... FR>fr>
We could tally-up the results and use them to show the FR>fr> value of
praying.
FR>ch> Fred!
FR>Please, call me Fred.
You mean... "Fred", and not "Fred!" ?
OK. Please call me "Chris". I only go by "Christian" so that I won't
accidentally pick up my son's mail, who goes by "Chris".
FR>ch> Exactly to whom (or to what) would an atheist pray to?
FR>Any deity construct we wish -- there are thousands to pick from.
I was an agnostic, and never realized that atheists believed in, or
prayed to, "deity"(s).
Educate me: are you unique, or do all atheists exhibit faith in "diety"?
FR>ch> I would think
FR>If your masters would allow you to.
Absolutely! God gave man "free will" to think and do as he wishes.
"Self will" is another way to phrase that.
In the Lord's Prayer, we ask that "Thy will be done." We ask in prayer,
because we struggle with the battle between "self will" and "His will".
Love
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|From: Christian Hedemark
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Hedemark
|Date: 09 Jan 97 06:26:05
EID:2e62 22293340
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PID: ViaMAIL! v1.20b 95-0056
Hi "ALL"
Fred quoted the following:
FR>Christian Hedemark
FR>CH> I will respond to your questions and commentaries when you drop
FR>CH> the vulgarity you have used towards me here and elsewhere.
And then Fred added:
FR>Amazing how easy it is to force a fundy to shut up, huh?
You will find that Fred and I are speaking to each other on
other threads, and Fred has cleaned up his language.
Amazing how easy it is to communicate without vulgarity, huh?
But I will continue to "shut up" to any that can't "clean up".
Love
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|From: Christian Hedemark
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 09 Jan 97 06:26:06
EID:fd08 22293340
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PID: ViaMAIL! v1.20b 95-0056
Jonathan !
JF> Since I'm kind of new to this debate, let me introduce myself...
Warning: shake the dust from your sandals when you leave here.
JF> I'm a proud (relatively speaking) Lutheran who goes to church every
Sunday
JF>(not always voluntarily, but still).
I'm not Lutheran, but most Tuesday nights I go alone into a local
Lutheran chapel to pray. Always voluntarily. If you don't go
voluntarily, you're wasting both your, and God's, time.
JF> Anyhow, the brunt of my message...
JF> Something that disturbs me are the people who stand outside the courtroom
JF>OJ's civil trial or abortion clinics. These people claim to be tolerant,
JF>loving Christians, but cry "murderer!" and would gladly kill the target
of
JF>their wrath. Can't these people see what they're doing? Can't anyone?
Jesus wan't tolerant. He was forgiving, and full of love... even telling
us to love our enemies. But, do you remember some tables being turned
over? Tough to figure, huh?
God (the Father) wan't too opposed to striking people dead. After all,
He does hate sin. Sometimes He waits for natural biological death,
before judging us. In the Old Test. we see Him judging earlier than
that. Even in the N.T., we have some people being struck dead for
simply telling a lie.
O.J is a tough one to judge. I am glad I don't have to do that.
Abortionists are easier to be sure of in one sense: we do know that they
abort.
I don't want to get into a debate on abortion, but if you wish to
contemplate a thought: how do you think Jesus feels about abortion?
(I don't lose sight of the mothers suffering either)
BTW - check out page 448 in your hymnal. There are several Lutheran
hymnals, but you may find my favorite hymn on that page.
(Methodist = page 92, Presby = 280)
Love
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Dander raising
|Date: 09 Jan 97 18:17:54
EID:ce20 22299220
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REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32d44ecb
On (08 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Marilyn Burge...
AS> Yes. That does indeed make a difference. Even in flaming,
AS> there are limits, insofar as common decency is concerned. And
AS> insulting one's kids crosses it for me...when the kids are in
AS> no way involved.
GT> My point precisely. Fun's fun, but that was uncalled-for.
MB> Notice his sig.line now. He sent me a private message when I
MB> called him on what he was doing in here, and I answered the
MB> private message IN PRIVATE. Now he's using one of the
MB> paragraphs from that PRIVATE message as his sig.line.
AS> I believe he mentioned, while Robert and I were discussing
AS> the confidentiality of email, that any email sent to him he
AS> feels free to do with what he will, without consulting the
AS> sender. So the echo as a whole was warned, but you might not
AS> have seen that.
Fine. That makes him an ethically challenged sadist. Wonderful.
NOT!
... ... How do you get a lawyer out of a tree? Cut the rope.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: "sucking up"
|Date: 09 Jan 97 18:19:04
EID:4278 22299260
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On (08 Jan 97) Fredric Rice babbled to Marilyn Burge...
mb> Lou and I both have that one on our vehicles. I also have the
mb> "original," but that fell off Lou's pickup the last time he went
mb> through the car wash. My latest is a bumper sticker of a Jesus
mb> fish being swallowed by a shark named "science."
FR> Love it! Where can _I_ get some of these?
FR> I park in a Pentecostal church parking lot every work day. I wonder
FR> what would happen to my car...
FISH
Dept. 10
P.O. Box 26523
Colorado Springs, CO 80936
Have fun. Write them and ask for a catalog. They've got lots of
goodies.
... "Daddy, what does '78% of C: formatted' mean?"
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: GET SPECIFIC
|Date: 08 Jan 97 22:57:51
EID:c7c9 2228b720
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On Jan 07 17:04 97, Tiger Eyes of 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org wrote:
TE> "King of Twinkie Eating Men Who Can't Get Woman to Save Their
TE> Lives".
You need a coffee cup with that printed on it.
Four more years! - Live with it!
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Star Goat loves each
|Date: 08 Jan 97 22:59:42
EID:35ad 2228b760
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On Jan 04 17:13 97, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/62 wrote:
JB> If you are using less than Netscape 3.0 or Microsoft
JB> Explorer 3, it doesn't work too well.
It doesn't work at all.
Four more years! - Live with it!
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Holiday Books
|Date: 08 Jan 97 23:17:53
EID:b22a 2228ba20
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On Jan 06 12:39 97, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/62 wrote:
JB> BTW. Took the Java clock off my page. You shouldn't have
JB> any trouble with it now.
But the Dancing Chickens are still there.
It's this block of code here:
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SRC=fire2.gif>
I guess it's supposed to a flame or something.
But I still say it's a chorus line.
Four more years! - Live with it!
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: All
|Sub: Zecharah 11:12 / Matthew 26:14-16
|Date: 09 Jan 97 12:59:00
EID:2f2b 22296760
PID: PDQMail v2.60 RE0333
PRAISE GOD !
PROPHECY: - The Messish will be betraped for thirty pieces of silver.
And I said to them, "If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but
it not, never mind! So they weighed our thirty shekels as my wages."
FULFILLMENT: "Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went the
the chief priests and said, "What are you willing to give me if I
Deliver Him [Jesus] to you? And they counted out to him thirty pieces of
silver. So from that times he sought opportunity to betrap His."
"Be of good courage, and He shall strengthen your heart, all you who
hope in the Lord."
Jesus Saves
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: Paul Brandreth
|Sub: John 3:16
|Date: 09 Jan 97 14:37:00
EID:90d2 222974a0
PID: PDQMail v2.60 RE0333
PRAISE GOD !
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
who ever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Jesus Saves (1:122/705.118)
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: All
|Sub: Psalm 41:7 / John 13:18
|Date: 08 Jan 97 11:20:00
EID:1921 22285a80
PID: PDQMail v2.60 RE0333
PRAISE GOD !
PROPHECY: - The Messial will be betrayed by a friend.
"Even by close friend, in whom I trust, who are my bread, has lifted
up his heel against me."
FULFILLMENT: I [Jesus] do not speak concerning all of you. I know who I
have chosen: but that Scripture may be fulfilleded, "He who eats bread
with Me has lifted up his heel against Me."
Jesus said: "My sheep know my voice, and I know them, and they follow
me." (John 10:27)
Jesus Saves
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 08 Jan 97 13:55:00
EID:d83b 22286ee0
PID: PDQMail v2.60 RE0333
PRAISE GOD !
Dear Fredric:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but
have everlasting life."
Jesus Saves
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|From: Leonard Bernier
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 08 Jan 97 14:13:00
EID:d83b 222871a0
PID: PDQMail v2.60 RE0333
PRAISE GOD !
Dear Fredric,
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting
life."
Jesus Saves (1:218/890)
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:00:26
EID:925a 219f5800
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 c39972af
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 8A624388
On (29 Dec 96) Michael Hardy wrote to Jim Staal...
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Jim Staal <=-
MH> iJS>> My point was that if her smart A** mouth aggravated him as
MH> iJS>> much as it did me, my revenge was extracted in advance.
JH> Let it be known that the above
JH> states that wife beating is OK if the wife has a "smart A**
JH> mouth."
MH> iJS> No, I believe the doctor was saying very clearly that 'Gwenny
MH> iJS> beating' is OK if the Gwenny (and she does) have a 'smart A**
MH> mouth. iJS> Nothing to do with wives in general. Gwenny in
MH> particular.
MH> Jim PLEASE tell me this doesn't mean what it seems to mean ...
MH> because if it does, (and you agree with the sentiment), well ... it's
MH> appalling.
Whatever it means, it was spoken by some 'doctor' and not me. (post so
old I don't remember who), but of course I don't agree with the
sentiment, silly.
... "Mommy, mommy! Where's Fluffy?" "Shut up and finish your casserole."
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:02:33
EID:1cc9 219f5840
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 6465831f
REPLY: 1:261/1137 9f008295
On (30 Dec 96) Curtis Johnson wrote to Jim Staal...
CJ> CJ>> Mr. English Major from Calvin College, you wrote "being a
CJ> CJ>> _man_ a penis is . . . "
JS> Necessary for gender indentification, as in: It's a boy!
CJ> You are about to have a little lesson in sentence
CJ> construction. Don't panic! It'll be over with within this
CJ> screen.
CJ> Now, let us examine the sentence you wrote: "Yeah, but
CJ> being a _man_ a penis is a good indication of gender, whether you
CJ> choose to have sex or not."
Ok, I should have worded it thusly: Being a man, _having_ a penis is
etc.
CJ> (There
CJ> is a type of eunuch that has both penis and testicles lopped off.)
Poor dude! :)
CJ> CJ>> You apparently do not think he used it to have erections. In
CJ> CJ>> fact, to you, apparently the only thing that keeps it from
CJ> being CJ>> completely useless is to indicate that he was "a _man_."
CJ> CJ>> And if he wasn't, then his message wouldn't have been worth
CJ> CJ>> listening to?
JS> No. Merley identifying Him as male gender. That is what the arguement
JS> was about.
CJ> Your answer to my question "And if he wasn't [a man], then
CJ> his message wouldn't have been worth listening to?" is "No."
CJ> Quite evidently you care much more about the penis of Jesus
CJ> than what he said. If he wanted to preach to you, it seems that
CJ> he would have to expose himself to you first to satisfy you.
CJ> Were you always such a dick-worshipping misogynist, or only
CJ> after you signed up with Promisekeepers?
THat was not the intended implication. What I was saying was that being
a man had nothing to do with the value of His message or why He came
here in the first place.
(1 Tim 1:15 NIV) Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full
acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I
am the worst.
And you can sign my name to that one if you like.
... Blue Wavers: folks who love Blue Wave Offline Mail Products!
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: bold-faced liar
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:06:14
EID:47b2 219f58c0
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 f2bb1a2c
REPLY: 1:261/1137 9f00830c
On (30 Dec 96) Curtis Johnson wrote to Jim Staal...
CJ> CJ>> My error, I should have said "did not" instead of "did."
CJ> CJ>> You of course recall the Enc. Britannica passage? It surely
CJ> CJ>> introduces doubt about John Calvin according with your view.
JS> To you, perhaps, not me.
CJ> Jim Staal, a weightier authority than the Encyclopedia
CJ> Britannica. Jim Staal, who knows what John Calvin said even when
CJ> Jim Staal says he doesn't know what John Calvin had to say on a
CJ> subject.
Huh? I really do not care at this opoint.
CJ> JS>> It is not OK to execute them for their beliefs, OK?
CJ> CJ>> Might it not even be an indication that one is not among
CJ> CJ>> the elect?
JS> It would be an indication they are not led by the Spirit, but rather
by
JS> some conjecture of mere man.
CJ> Let me make it clearer: would not executing a unitarian
CJ> Christian simply for their beliefs be a good indication that the
CJ> executioner is not among the elect?
Thankyou for clarifying yourself. My answer is: No, not necessarily. it
would, however, be a good indication that one is currently totally in
touch with the will of God. My philosophy is this: when I act in a
correct manner it is all God's doing. When I fail, the blame rests
totally on Jim Staal.
... For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Rom 6:7)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sav
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:10:31
EID:9f91 219f5940
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 adcb7470
On (28 Dec 96) DAVID RICE wrote to J.J. HITT...
DR> ... Good news: it's "KILL JIM STAAL FOR JESUS" Week here at HolySmoke!
Oh, no-o-o-o-o-o! Not again!
... God loveth a cheerful giver. - 2 Corinthians 9:7
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Canadian Putz
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:13:19
EID:528a 219f59a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 1a8c2704
On (30 Dec 96) Richard Smith wrote to ALL...
RS> };> Jimson Staalin wrote in a message to Marty Leipzig <:(
js> Merely send $1.50 plus $2500.00 for S&H (no personal checks, please)
js> for my 1996 complimentary demo tape to:
RS> js> Jim Staal Ministries
RS> js> P.O. Box 171
RS> js> Grandville, MI 49468-0171
js> (please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery)
RS> ML> Don't hold your breath, Jimbo. Blue ain't your color.
js> Aw, c'mon. It's Christmas, for crying out loud, and my baby
js> needs a new pair of shoes.
RS> Is begging for money allowed in this echo?
No policy 14 error here. We've been through this all before. Note the
very first line of this post.
... And if children,then heirs;heirs of God,and joint-heirs with Christ.(Rom
8:17)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 31 Dec 96 11:12:28
EID:e6ce 219f5980
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 09b8db91
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 2c824a08
On (30 Dec 96) Richard Smith wrote to Rod Swift...
RS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
And you sir, are an obvious ignorant gnome.
... gaggaragglechunkssplashingupinyourfaceasyouembracetheporcelaingoddess
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: what a waste
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:41:48
EID:caf1 22219520
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 795b2fa2
REPLY: 1:3603/210 142ff840
On (30 Dec 96) ROBERT CURRY wrote to Jim Staal...
RC> with: Gwenny the Pooh
RC> JS>> (BTW, hav[ing] been married more times than I does not give
RC> JS>> you more experience than I. I was speaking about my having
RC> JS>> experience with a _successful_ marriage.)
RC> And you define success by how much of your wife's money you waste?
JS> No.
RC> You just waste your wife's money because she's the one who does the
RC> actual work for it and not you.
RC> So how do you define a successful marriage to exclude Gwenny's?
Beats me.
... Quench not the Spirit. (1 The 5:19)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:42:07
EID:7dfb 22219540
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 65fce482
REPLY: 1:207/212 13963399
On (30 Dec 96) Karen Davis wrote to Jim Staal...
KD> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> True, but the savior could as easily have been female.
JS> yes, but the jjpoint is, He wasn't. He was a man.
KD> Why did God hate me so much that he gave us a savior only you men
KD> could relate to?
You couldn't relate to yourj father because he was a man? You can't
relate to your brother because he is a man? You can't relate to your
husband because he is a man? Jesus Christ is all things to everybody.
... Trespassers will be experimented on!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:43:15
EID:b170 22219560
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 d090a605
REPLY: 1:207/212 bbfcbc29
On (30 Dec 96) Karen Davis wrote to Jim Staal...
KD> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> Biology would indicate that the "first person" would have been female.
JS> But he wasn't. REad the book.
KD> I'm not convinced that book is accurate.
I am.
... If corn oil's made from corn, what is baby oil made from?
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:43:34
EID:4e3d 22219560
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 f648750e
REPLY: 1:207/212 4c33b1ee
On (30 Dec 96) Karen Davis wrote to Jim Staal...
KD> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal wrote to Dan Ceppa...
JS> His Father was God, not Joseph.
JS> (Luke 3:23 NIV) Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he
JS> began his ministry. He was the son, _so it was thought_, of Joseph,
JS> the son of Heli,
KD> Then he doesn't qualify under the prophesies, then does he? If he
KD> isn't the son of Joseph he isn't of the house of David.
Ah...check Mary's lineage once.
... Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. - John 6:37
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:44:05
EID:57cc 22219580
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 904774b9
REPLY: 1:207/212 2cc08f95
On (30 Dec 96) Karen Davis wrote to Jim Staal...
KD> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal wrote to Richard Smith...
JS> No. That _fact_ is, that Promise Keepers is organizing the first
JS> million man march on Washington.
KD> And women will die because of it.
KD> Promisekeepers is an organization intended to destroy my rights. As
KD> such I will oppose it until it is shown to be what it is.
could you please provide some evidence to back up this obvious false
claim?
... Someday we'll look back on this and shudder!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: I'm Back
|Date: 01 Jan 97 18:45:15
EID:e532 222195a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 3f733999
REPLY: 1:124/9005 32c84c78
On (30 Dec 96) Steve Quarrella wrote to Marty Leipzig...
SQ> God willing, everything is working now and I'm back on-line.
SQ> BTW, Phil, I'm still waiting for the reply on Original Sin.
SQ> Salue, Marty!
Why do you bother with this putz?
SQ> Think you should let him know that you're still waiting for answers
to
SQ> your questions?
No. Marty has all the answers.
... And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul. (Acts 19:11)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: execute her ? [1]
|Date: 02 Jan 97 18:32:28
EID:e0ec 22229400
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 41c07b87
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32ca2dac
On (01 Jan 97) Gwenny the Pooh wrote to Jim Staal...
Gt> As I have told you on several occassions, the ONE TRUE (tm) KJV/NIV
Gt> Parallel Bible.
We agree on something.
... Well, cover me with egg and flour and bake for 14 minutes...!
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Around the World in 80 Pr
|Date: 02 Jan 97 18:33:40
EID:b74f 22229420
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 1135558d
REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 8A65438C
On (01 Jan 97) Michael Hardy wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> I disagree. The Bible is for all time and is not trapped in culture:
JS> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
MH> I know the Bible says this about itself,
You have been here too long, Michael.
MH> Jim, but where is there
MH> *anything* in the Bible that demonstrates any kind of knowledge that
MH> wasn't available to the people of the time? How come the Creation
MH> story doesn't mention microbes, just for one example.
It wasn't necessarily needed at that time. And, obviously not God's
plan to bring that particular time. But, back to the question at hand:
The relevency of scripture in today's world and life. Do you see
anything, as far as exhortation that in the NT (Pauline books, for
example) that isn't for the 90's?
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Laurie Appleton
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 02 Jan 97 18:58:05
EID:0add 22229740
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 96d7760b
REPLY: 3:640/238@Fidonet 8888c54f
On (02 Jan 97) Laurie Appleton wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> Thanks for the quote. I hope I have made myself clear as
JS> far as what I believe concerning 'big bang'.
LA> Yes, thank you for that. You are a rather courageous and
LA> long suffering person to put up with the corny tripe that
LA> passes from messages from god-haters.
:) More like a blend of stubborn Hollander tenaciousness and a lot of
Grace.
... and pulling back on the stick makes the cow smaller...
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: fundy clown
|Date: 02 Jan 97 19:00:48
EID:32fd 22229800
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 c61bcde6
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 d617d713
On (31 Dec 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Jim Staal...
DC> On (26 Dec 96) Jim Staal got back to Marty Leipzig...
JS> There was no intent to defraud.
DC> What do you call begging money for what you try to pass
DC> off as music?
Now when have I _ever_ done that?????
... It is more blessed to give than to receive. - Acts 20:35
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 02 Jan 97 19:01:20
EID:7c26 22229820
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 76617139
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 f6aa5f77
On (31 Dec 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Jim Staal...
DC> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal got back to Dan Ceppa...
DC> Why did Joseph send his son to the cross?
JS> He didn't.
DC> Stop contraticting yourself, Jimbo.
JS> His Father was God, not Joseph.
DC> And the evidence is?
JS> (Luke 3:23 NIV) Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he
JS> began his ministry. He was the son, _so it was thought_, of Joseph,
JS> the son of Heli,
DC> And, other than the circular reasoning, provide evidence that your
DC> god screwed Mary and got her pregnant.
he didn't.
... US non sequitur society--we don't make sense, but we sure like pizza.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 02 Jan 97 19:02:16
EID:6af0 22229840
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 6b077e5e
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 c28b709e
On (31 Dec 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Jim Staal...
DC> On (26 Dec 96) Jim Staal got back to Gwenny the Pooh...
Gt> Remember how you were recently saying that Wild is a wife abuser?
JS> Never said it.
DC> Bull-fucking shit you didn't, you misogynistic bastard.
Evidence???
Gt> Remember how you claimed I had never told you that Wild was my SECOND
JS> Never said that either.
DC> You lie out of both sides of your anus, aka your mouth, Staal.
Why do you say these things about me?
DC> Get back on your meds. You're a disgrace to each and every
DC> species to know that evolution produced the likes of your sorry
DC> bigotted ass.
What evidence do you have to make such an accusation?
... gaggaragglechunkssplashingupinyourfaceasyouembracetheporcelaingoddess
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 02 Jan 97 19:04:38
EID:6af0 22229880
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 f2ca03e9
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 699b4634
On (31 Dec 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> ... I love my meat tender and flesh -er fresh.
DC> Your choice of taglines shows you to either a fucking asshole
DC> or a fucking asshole. There is no third alternative.
So eloquent. So educated.
... I was gonna be a hairdresser but neurosurgery pays better ...
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Jim Staal
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Your Daily Brother Jim
|Date: 02 Jan 97 19:05:45
EID:8c15 222298a0
MSGID: 1:228/45.5 39b51b3d
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 4ece77ed
On (31 Dec 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Jim Staal...
DC> On (29 Dec 96) Jim Staal got back to Rod Swift...
RS> Then again, this is exactly the sort of stuff that makes me think
RS> you're head isn't filled with brain cells. In fact...
JS> Whatever...my question is where do you dig up these ancient jposts?
DC> Isn't it great, Jimbo? Your idiocy archived for all to see yet
DC> another time. Told you that you should have taken your meds.
Well yeah, the international notoriety is grand, but...
... This is the greatest thing since sliced toothpaste.
--- PPoint 2.00
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