God Damned Fundies!
|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianity, buttfuck Staal
|Date: 20 Jan 97 08:46:11
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GT>> I wasn't pagan when I got divorced. That is what
gt>> he meant. My divorce fall into Christian stats.
ijs>> Do not confuse Mormonism with Christianity.
FR> Mormons _are_ Christians you ignorant buttfuck bigot.
These fundies are quite ready to include all brand names when trying to
inflate their cult's numbers and yet when it's no longer convieniet, they
disavow hundreds of millions.
sq> Trent Hall went running in THUMP_IT when we brought this up.
sq> See, the Mormons deal with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT Jesus of s
qq> Nazareth who was put on trial by the Romans, crucified, and
sq> resurrected. NO relation to the one found in the New Testament.
You're crapping me negative with that, right?! Talk about delusional!
sq> :-/
sq> [I can't believe I defend the assholes who harass my wife!]
But that's fun, too!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Masturbation
|Date: 20 Jan 97 08:50:16
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sq> My poor brother-in-law (The one with the missionary book, in fact).
sq> He's a good guy, and wouldn't hurt anybody, but he -really- got the
sq> royal indoctrination.
Is that what they're calling a royal screwing these days? }:-}
sq> At his wedding, a few of Suzy's brothers and brothers-in-law
sq> were trying to get him to put a garter on his new bride,
sq> and then remove it. Neither would have a THING to do with the
sq> idea, and I think they both would have let everybody have it
sq> if the mood hadn't been so festive.
Oh how idiotic. Goat grief. Like, he couldn't close his eyes and keep
from vomiting in fear long enough?
sq> PS: We were going to buy the new bride a leather teddy,
sq> but changed our minds at the last minute. :)
You made it a matching set of leather halters and riding crops instead?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Andy's on the ropes.
|Date: 20 Jan 97 08:53:07
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AM>> Which would lead you more horrified, to find one
AM>> of your children being a satanist or a Christian?
FR> There is no difference.
sq> You know, for once I agree with your rhetoric, at least as far as
sq> finding out that my kid has hooked up with the local Jesus squad
sq> or the local fad vampire cult. :)
Only once?! Why, I'm offended! Really!
But there are three major types of "Satanist." The brand that he is thinking
of believes in the "Satan" god -- a Christian construct.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Satan
|Sub: HOLYSMOKE - we're all gonna die!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:03:54
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FR> We all learned that he no longer considered himself a
FR> Christian -- at least the type of fundy brainless brand that
FR> he exhibited. I had no idea that it was motivated by his
FR> cult's fear of television.
sat> Heheheheh... We argued with him on that score. We claimed
sat> he was still a Christian. He still walked like a Christian
sat> and talked like a Christian...
Too bad. He could have been helped out entirely, perhaps.
sat> It may not been so much a fear of television
sat> as a disdain for material goods.
And yet in supreme hypocricy his cult had no problem with computers or computer
networks.
sq> As We recall, this was a big screen TV; a little more than
sq> required and possibly the congregation felt this "one-upped"
sq> everybody else. But, Martin is a working Joe with a job
sq> which certainly cannot bring in the bigger bucks, so this
sq> was an exaggerated reaction at best.
If this is true then his problems with his cult was motivate by their jealousy
against him.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Satan
|Sub: Look Who is Insulted?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:06:21
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JH> The fire at Waco and the bombing of the OKC Federal Building.
JH> Torpedoing the Lusitania.
JH> Nukeing Japan.
America's biggest blunder... winning the war.
JH> The disappearance of Amelia Earhardt or Jimmy Hoffa.
JH> The Great Blizzard of 1888.
JH> The explosions of the Hindenberg, the U.S. Maine or the Space
JH> Shuttle Challenger.
JH> I did not murder Nicole Brown or Ron Goldman.
JH> I was NOT on the grassy knoll on Nov. 22, 1963. (Nowhere near
JH> Dallas, as a matter of fact. Just ask Henry.)
JH> I can not be held responsible for the common cold, Yoko Ono,
JH> Eight track tapes, dog hairs, stupid taglines, Billy Beer,
JH> Rwanda or the rap version of Porgie and Bess.
sat> Geraldo Rivera?
Rush Limabugh.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:06:49
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> Dan,
> God loves you.
Which one? Have any evidence for those deity constructs of yours?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:09:12
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FR> No Christanic death cultist ever thinks at their deity
fr> constructs willingly. They do so out of fear and resentment.
fr> The fear of death is underscored wit the fear of "eternal
fr> torment." Towards the ends of avoiding this pretend problem,
fr> they pretend to believe.
ch> You have to remove your first word... "No", and
ch> then I can have some agreement with you.
Your agreement or lack of agreement isn't germaine to the facts of the issue.
It is undeniable that critical thought precludes belief in _anything_, not
just the classical Christanic mythologies.
ch> (your wording was a little awkward for me, but I think I followed you)
It's called "English." A small percentage of your problem is a lack of
education in a broad spectrum of areas; reading comprehension foremost among
them.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:11:40
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ch> I do not fear my God, nor have any resentments (though
ch> I certainly did have resentments for a long time).
Just keep telling yourself that and perhaps some day you'll manage to convince
yourself that it's true. And yet when you bow down in fear at night and
think at your Alpha Male deity construct, shuddering in suplication least
it afflict you with cancer or an education, try your best not to think about
the truth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Pray Contest
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:13:48
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FR> You're making some assumptions. One need not believe
fr> in something's existan to think at it. What you're trying
fr> to avoid is the fact that anyone can pra at any god and
fr> the results are the same. Anyone can pray at cheese and
fr> the results are the same.
ch> I've tried it both ways, and I had results differing
ch> from what you describe. Consistantly.
You're a liar. There is no "both ways." There are _hundreds_of_thousands_
of gods and goddesses and even more inanimate and animate objects to pray
at.
Strict scientific tests prove that there is no difference whether someone
pray at the Christianic death gods or a seat cushion.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Christ-Like Ignorance
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:15:55
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CH> I am sure he wept over all the suffering you brought to my attention.
MG> I see you have chosen the apologetic route. Please explain to me
mg> why your merciful and all powerful god lets this kind of shit go
mg> down.
ch> Thank you for the reply. Sure, I would be happy to answer your
ch> question, but help me try to relate to you, please. I ask...
FR> For some strange reason you elected not to answer the question.
fR> Now why would that be? What possible benefit do you think you
fr> derive from not answering even the most simplest and mundane of
fr> questions?
ch> Be patient Fred.
Ah, yes. Like your fictional construct who was made to demand that it would
return within the lifetime of its pretend followers, you're quite willing
to "be patient" until, like every generation of ignorant death cultists
before you, you all die disappointed.
There is no conceivable benefit to derive for not answering the question,
dear.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christian Hedemark
|Sub: Christian Hedemark: Buttfuck wannabe?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:20:33
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FR> Look at what Christianity has done to you. It has either
fr> turned you into a pathetic lying, ignorant buffooon else you
fr> use Christianity to justify the pre-existing condition.
ch> This very dialogue supports what I said:
ch> 1) This "fundy" has not shut up, and...
I wouldn't let you. After six years of constant parades by fundy death
cultists such as yourself we've all managed to learn how easy it is to manipulate
you into doing what we wish. We kept Jesse here for years by manipulating
his ego and we'll keep you here as long as we wish by working on your need
for exhibitionism.
ch> 2) You have answered me without vulgarities!
ch> (perhaps not very pleasantly done, but it was clean)
I have _never_ answered you with "vulgarities," you ignorant dick-sucking
buttfuck baboon. One of the experiments we might try out on you, however,
is to drive you to posting occultism unthinkingly like a busted shit pipe
by frightening you with mere words with every message.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Christian Hedemark
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:22:53
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ch> 2) You have answered me without vulgarities!
ch> (perhaps not very pleasantly done, but it was clean)
This fundy wants to pretend that he's managed to get people to stop "using
vulgarities" against him -- never mind the fact that I hadn't until now.
Perhaps that way he can claim to his masters that he's making progress with
his assignment here.
I would guess that this one is easy to manipulate wince words frighten him
so. The question is, what should we make him do?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 20 Jan 97 09:27:05
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FR> Thanks for the update... utterly amazing! No, I had no idea
fr> what the background was and to hear it I find that the story
fr> is even more bizarre than what the news reported.
dw> Just proving that yet again, truth really is stranger
dw> than fiction. However, I may be incorrect in thinking
dw> that she was expelled - she may have only been suspended,
dw> although any way you cut it the whole affair is silly.
From what I've heard she had transfered to another school even before the
father started his lawsuit against the school. If she had stayed she would
probably have been made a hero had her father not sued the school, otherwise
I suspect she would have been made a traitor.
FR> And a double standard? What if a boy wore black lipstick to school?
dw> Well, I actually think that the affair would have been
dw> more _likely_ if a boy had done it. After all, girls have
dw> always wore lipstick - who cares if it's a funny color?
dw> But a BOY wearing lipstick? That's E-VIL...
Oh hey yes. A boy applying independent _thinking_ is evil.
I just hope that this fiasco has prompted _millions_ of little shits across
the country to rush right out and buy black lipstick to show the absurdity
of some people.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Matt Giwer
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:11:40
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DW> Does anyone else here remember Matt Giwer? It seems he has
DW> acheived noteriety on the Internet approaching that enjoyed by
DW> Steve Winter.
DW> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
Good ole' Ken McVey archives.
mg> I found his web site one fine afternoon.
mg> He's an ugly little dawg, isn't he?
What's annoying is that the guy appears to be an atheist. He's the only
atheist racist bigot I have ever heard of.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: Nate Cookson
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:19:07
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NC> Mt Favorite Martian speaks again!!
cj> Or were you trying to speak again of your favorite Martian
cj> mountain? My own favorite Martian mountain is Olympus Mons.
You do realize, don't you, that you've just managed to confuse and frighten
him horribly. Geography lessons are hard enough on fundies when they're
about the Earth.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: Christian cannibalism
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:21:47
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cj> I can't quite remember offhand in which book of the OT it
cj> speaks of the woman complaining to the king about the other woman
cj> going back on the agreement by refusing to offer up her kid in
cj> turn, but that whole episode was a great yarn, including the two
cj> beggars going out to give themselves up to the enemy then having
cj> the time of their lives in the abandoned camp.
quote 2 Kings
6:28 And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she
answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may
eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.
quote 6:29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her
on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath
hid her son.
Christanic death cultists see nothing wrong with eating babies and yet they
label homosexuals as "abominations."
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: Staal: bold-faced liar
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:28:43
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CJ>> You of course recall the Enc. Britannica passage? It surely
CJ>> introduces doubt about John Calvin according with your view.
JS>> To you, perhaps, not me.
CJ>> Jim Staal, a weightier authority than the Encyclopedia
CJ>> Britannica. Jim Staal, who knows what John Calvin said even when
CJ>> Jim Staal says he doesn't know what John Calvin had to say on a
CJ>> subject.
JS> Huh? I really do not care at this opoint.
cj> Jim Staal, who doesn't care whether or not he agrees with John Calvin.
We've watched this Promise Keeper's antics for years. This one's pretty
mild; he isn't ranting about Jewish conspiracies and about how women need
to be slugged by their husbands for being upity.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Domino
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:38:48
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DW>> I walk up to you in an alley, pull a gun, and say "your
DW>> money or your life." You would have no problem with this?
D> I'd probably have a major problem with that,
DW> Why? I haven't taken your "free will" away, after all.
dom> No, you havent.
right over your pointed head.
dom> But I dont know a single person who wouldn't have a
dom> problem with having a loaded gun pulled on them.
There's no difference, idiot. The Christanic pantheon demands their playthings
may do as they wish while holding a gun to their toys' heads.
I suspect you're laboring under an unusual definition of the term "free
will."
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: truth
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:44:52
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JB> Uh... Gwenny, I don't let my insult capability loose too often;
In all seriousness your posts indicate that you lack the intelligence required
to insult a money picking pranuts out of his own shit.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hubris
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:48:14
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dw> I'm not surprised, though, that a Christian
dw> equates human society with the world.
I'm not either. The supreme hubris of Christians to pretend that the whole
of the universe exists just for them.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Our Daily Bread and Butter
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:52:34
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jjh> I propose that from this time forward every user who feels so
jjh> inclined should return each and every Daily Bread posting to that
jjh> address.
I've been doing so through email for months... Never a reply.
The guy is a coward. A typical Christian coward incapable of defending
his occultism to the point of having no other recourse than to repeatedly
spam and then hide from the consequences.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Steingrobe
|Sub: Am I getting through?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:56:17
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js> WEll, I was able to log onto this bbs via the internet. Now I just
js> have to see if this works and all. I hope to be a blessing to all of
you
js> out there since I know many of you could use a blessing. :) See ya
all
js> around hopefully.
Welcome back. It's been a few years.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Coward!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:57:05
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DH> "atheism /n. the theory or belief that God[sic]
DH> does not exist."
JH>> THAT is in the OED?
JH>> Sounds more like Merriam Webster's.
DR> I find it highly unlikely that OED said the above.
dh> That is exactly what it says, and all of it.
What year is that copy printed in? Maybe that's the problem.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:59:29
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BS> C'mon, you honestly don't think they don't donate to charities?
BS> I sure can't tell you they do or don't, but I imagine a good percentage
BS> of them do.
jf> I didn't say that none of them did - it just seems that few
jf> of these people get their photos taken for GOOD reasons, like
jf> helping the community or saving the life of someone above the
jf> age of one year.
It has been my experience that only cultists who wish to win brownie points
with their deity constructs and show everyone else how pius they are make
an exhibition sport of their mock charity. It has further been my experience
that atheists who work with and support charities rarely feel the need to
broadcast the fact.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: Al Schroeder's "free will" myth
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:04:26
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Al Schroeder
Dan Ceppa
AS> "Okay, here are two doors. One leads to a smorgasboard of delicious
AS> food, and beautiful music, and fine books, and pretty ladies. The
AS> other leads you to a sheer dropoff and you will die, horribly, falling
AS> twenty stories. "Your choice."
rh> And you must choose one or the other.
rh> There goes your "free will", Al.
With Al's death gods it gets even more absurd: The educated who realize
there's no need to chose a fictional solution to a non-existant problem
are "damned" -- so much for the "free will" of 99% of the world's population.
rh> Solved the split brain dilemma yet?
Al sold his reason for a comfortable lie.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Which geneology?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:06:21
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JS> the ancestry of Jesus) It is very interesting to note that God used
JS> such as hookers and killers to maintain His promise to Abraham.
I would bet a buck that you'll demand the two conflicting geneologies created
for the so-called "Jesus" mythos aren't in conflict. Do I win again?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianity, buttfuck
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:09:40
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FR> Mormons _are_ Christians you ignorant buttfuck bigot.
iJS> Hmmm...evidence? (that they are Christians and
ijs> that I am ignorant, a buttf**k or a bigot)
dc> All three are equally evident, Jimbo. Especially that last two.
Which he would know if he weren't such a buttfuck. }:-} Ah
but he's ours now, huh?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Bye Bye!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:18:42
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cp> Just so you all know, I don't think I'll be resonding
cp> to anyone's mail any time shortly, you see I have found
cp> a new "toy" (the internet) and have gotten
Oh no, it couldn't be your inability to defend your death gods, now could
it?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealous gods
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:20:19
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BJ> MY relationship, the covenant that exists between God and myself is
bj> an exclussive one.
DC> That's nice. That means you exclude Frederic from
dc> your god. You are a jealous one, it seems.
bj> Not at all. I'm not keeping Fredric from the Lord. He has
bj> opened His arms to recieve those of all nations, and races.
You've just stated the second most bloody and evil ideology the Christanic
death cult uses to enslave and oppress countless millions of innocents.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:21:52
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JS> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
bj> You must remember, you're speaking to worldly
bj> people. For them, the above is not "proof".
Translation: He's speaking to ___educated___ people. For hose of us who
know the origins of the classical Christanic mythologies and the history
of the death cult, the above is how death cultists perpetuate their own
slavery to men.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:23:09
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JB> "'Nothing' itself" is an oxymoron. My point goes to this ultimate-
JB> absolute, which imho cannot be spoken about in language --even the
JB> language of math: this absolute is NOT "the empty set" --that is a
JB> _thing_, not NO Thing.
as> I'm not going to get mixed up in this exchange, except to
as> note the irony of a long-drawn out discussion/debate/occasional
as> flame about...literally...nothing. Or zero.
Irony alert!
You worship one, you ignorant brain dead fundy!
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: More grist from the web
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:33:21
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AS> Many have tried to build an ethos without a God[sic].
AS> It all comes down to "because it's RIGHT, dammit!"
Yet it's the religious who holds the highest body count and the blood of
uncounted millions on their hands. Christianity has been and continues
to be _the_ single most evil and destructive set of ideologies ever unleashed
upon an innocent humanity.
And you joined it willingly. You must agree with it.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: No, really
|Date: 20 Jan 97 13:47:04
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dr> I was more-or-less in the group that tried to plan the
dr> "communication" ribbon or button. Green for "Don't ask;"
dr> yellow for "straight, please ask;" blue for "homosexual,
dr> don't ask;" black for "too goddamned old, ask anyhow;"
dr> etc. etc. etc. At the time I objected because there would
dr> be so many different colored ribbons to meet every sexual
dr> preference and inclination. It was "decided" that a simple
dr> ribbon denoting "I'm safe to talk to about sex; I will
dr> answer every question politely, friendly, and calmly"
dr> would suffice.
What color were the "Yes, fuck me!" ribbons?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Sex at Dragon festival (don't read if you're under age)
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:34:23
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FR> I was in that group of men and, as I recall, we were all too
FR> frightened to answer intelligently. I tend to think that real bastard
FR> assholes have no difficulty asking or picking up "fawn eyes" cues; the
FR> nice husband-type- material guys, however, can barely keep from
FR> pissing themselves.
dw> I have a friend here who is quite literally one of the most
dw> physically attractive women I have *ever* seen. She's always
dw> asking me why men don't ask her out. "errr... Maybe because
dw> you scare the piss out of 'em?"
And on the odd chance that a series of dates ever get off the ground, the
fragile male ego more often that not gets subjected to the most cruel of
comments, "I really like you. But I want us to be just friends."
Who needs that?!
dw> On several occasions she has done the "fawn eyes" bit to guys
dw> that interest her while we are out together.
A Promise Keeper would take her home immediately and beat the shit out of
her -- then just maybe, to "be of service" to her, drop her off at the hospital.
dw> She doesn't understand
dw> when I tell her that any guy she gets while in the company of
dw> another male is very likely to be a complete shithead. I try to
dw> get her to go out alone, and she says, "But then all the guys
dw> will be hitting on me!" By this point in this recurrent
dw> conversation, I start looking for a brick wall to bash my head
dw> against.
dw> Women are fucking *odd*.
Maybe the Creationist lunatics are right and they _are_ a different species.
}:-}
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Matthew Hunt
|Sub: A Disciple for an Ignorant Man
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:39:29
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DR> wish that I had known you a while back when I was by myself
DR> dealing with Pagans and the like on VirtualNet. :)
mh> You have a problem with pagans? And why is pagan capitolized? A
mh> pagan is a person that isn't a follower of Christianity, Islam, or
mh> Buddha. It's not a religion unto itself...
A Pagani is a follower of either the Pagani or Wicca religions. It is capitalized
since it is a personal pronoun.
From your willingness to publically express with authority your utter ignorance
I would first surmise that you're a Christian.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Mormons ARE Christians. Get over it.
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:42:43
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sq> I had lunch with a guy from work today, and he got started on
sq> the Mormons. It was rather interesting putting all of his
sq> incorrect notions onto the scrap heap.
Is he a warring Christanic faction trying to pretend that other brands are
"wrong" while his brand is "right?"
sq> How many evangelicals out there believe that the Book
sq> of Mormon is some kind of "alternate Bible?" Raise your
sq> hands.
I've encountered that before many years ago when fundies came to the door.
They wanted to pretend that Mormons aren't Christianics because they "reject
the bible" and created their own.
My guess is that fundy bigots buy the lie.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Mormon lunacy: End Times are upon us again!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:47:50
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FR> when "Cain" killed "Able." I'm sure you also know that blacks aren't
FR> allowed to hold positions within their "priesthood..." Anyone who is
fr> part "mud people" isn't allowed to hold various positions within their
FR> priesthood.
sq> You might want to double-check that. If memory serves,
sq> that restriction was removed in the 1970s, after some hue
sq> and cry. Yes, I'll be more than happy to go look that up
sq> if someone can't cough up the facts either way. :)
A Mormon recalling that piece of race bigotry is about as trustworthy as
the KKK claiming to allow blacks into their priesthood.
"Okay, all yuh nigger mud-people. Come on in."
The Mormon brand hasn't changed their beliefs one iota in reguards race
bigotry. Post claims by the cult all you wish; I'll believe they've changed
when 20% or better of their "priesthood" consists of non-whites.
FR> Their anal focus on geneology makes perfect sense if they want to
fr> exclude "mud people" when the government asks them to step in and
fr> take over.
sq> I'm still laughing about all of the posthumously-baptized
sq> Roman Catholic pontiffs, including St. Pius X. :)
Bizarre Christanic rituals enacted upon the dead. Sick sick sick.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: joke
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:48:38
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>>> One, we stand to make $1 billion dollars.
>>> Two, we may loose the Wonderbread account..."
FR> I don't get it.
sq> "Give us this day our daily bread."
It still makes no sense. Why would picking up another franchise cause the
loss of the previous ones?
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Remember this one?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:56:34
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bb> shopping for a new car recently. Not only are they
bb> overpriced (every single car on the lot is $7,995--mind
bb> you, all these cars are pieces of shit as well), but he
bb> tried the hard fundie sell on us. Seemed kind of irked
bb> when we commented on where we could put the Darwin fish. ;)
bb> Needless to say, they were glad to see us go. =)
Reminds me of the sting operartion on car dealerships that 20/20 did which
caught a bunch of crooks on audiovideo tape cheating people. The best one
was the Christian dealership where the manager repeatedly demanded that
he could never cheat or be dishonest because he is a Christian.
Like all the rest, when he got his nose shoved in his own shit he fell mysteriously
silent and 20/20 couldn't buy a comment from the guys.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 20 Jan 97 16:59:16
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FR> Isn't Walmart one of the most oppressive towards homosexuals?
FR> Er, known homosexuals, I mean. Don't they impose lie detector
FR> tests and if one refuses one doesn't get a job?
jjh> I may very well be mistaken (it has happened once or twice before),
jjh> but I seem to recall that it is no longer legal to make a polygraph
jjh> a prerequisite for employment. Of course, they can always use some
jjh> other method to "profile" applicants.
There's a notice posted where I work which states that it's not allowed
unless it's a federal government position, either contractor, subcontractor,
or direct. The notice says to turn in an employer who uses one.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Honor your parents. Or die!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:12:36
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FR> ~*~ Luke 14:26 is pretty good: "Whoever comes to me and does not hate
FR> father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes,
FR> and even life itself, cannot be my disciple." (NRSV) See too, Matt.
FR> 19:29.
rs> Didn't the bible also say that parents should execute their
rs> annoying and rebellious children? And wouldn't this make the
rs> above quote a contradiction?
Yes, the Christianic mythologies call for children to be stoned to death
for not "honoring" their parents. We had a death cultist demand that a
couple of years ago that children who routinely get raped by their parents
and beaten and starved should still honor their parents.
It's no wonder the death cult has a priesthood consisting almost entirely
of pedophiles.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christopher Baker
|Sub: Promise Keeper bigotry again
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:24:40
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cb> statement which, in addition to urging believers to participate, also
cb> implores them to "write, or fax your legislator that same day to let
cb> them know that you want justice for marriage."
Irony alert. "Justice for marriage" by denying others out of hatred and
bigotry.
cb> The rally was announced last week in the Hawaii Catholic Herald.
I don't see what the problem is. That should have negated their tax exemption
status immediately.
cb> A "Dear Friends in Christ"
Ironly alert #2. Sodomy rhetoric from homophobic bigots.
cb> letter from DiLorenzo warns that "If the Hawaii Supreme Court
cb> upholds that (same-sex marriage) decision, as they are likely
cb> to do, and if our state legislature does nothing, this state
cb> will be the first place in history to approve and endorse 'same
cb> sex marriage'."
Yes, I could see why fundies would "warn" of impending social progress.
cb> A Promise Keepers Rally In Honolulu
Speaking of bigots.
cb> Ironically, it was one of the more conservative and faith-driven
cb> Justices of the high court, Antonin Scalia, who disagreed.
Of course. It's wasn't a state-recognized Christian brand of occultism.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jesse Jones
|Sub: Trolling for Jesse!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:32:09
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dc> A buck to the first post that elicits
dc> a response from Jesse Jones.
I can still smell you, Jesse.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealou
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:35:40
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BJ> For something to be sacred, it has to have some sort of
bj> exclusivity. This is the nature of man's relationship to
bj> God. This is the ultimate meaning of the verse "you shall
bj> not have other gods besides me."
FR> Just how many pencils do you go through "correcting" the
fr> Christian mytholog to fit your preconcieved notions, Brett?
bj> ...and so on...
Just keep penciling out the truth, Brett. Your day of judgement will come
for you.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Brett Johnson: Liar
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:40:21
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BJ> For something to be sacred, it has to have some sort
bj> of exclusivity. This is the nature of man's relationship
bj> to God. This is the ultimate meaning of the verse "you
bj> shall not have other gods besides me."
FR> Another true believer rewrites his mythologies any way he wants.
bj> You owe me an apology Fredric.
Okay... Go fuck yourself with a dung clotted wooden spoon.
bj> Exodus 20:3, says "BESIDES me" in the New American Bible.
My, you _are_ an ignorant death cultist! Try using a copy of the classical
Christianic mythologies instead, not one rewritten by your death cult masters
to fit your preconceived bigoted notions. I would further suggest that
you pop that head of yours out of your ass long enough to actually read
it.
The classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that the Christanic
death gods wants worshippers to worship them _first_. It says nothing about
excluding all the others.
Your revisionism is an evil which helps keep your death cult one of the
most tyraniucal and bloody through all of recorded history.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealous gods
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:42:54
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>>> For something to be sacred, it has to have some sort of exclusivity.
>>> This is the nature of man's relationship to God. This is the ultimate
>>> meaning
fR> You presume to pretend that there is one god.
fr> That's easilly demonstrated false.
bj> I'd be interested in seeing WHY you're a polytheist...
FR> Your handicap would seem to be an inability to read. There are
fr> literally hundreds of thousands of gods and goddesses, Brett.
fr> That none of them (even yours) are evidenced to exist is besides
fr> the point.
bj> Sorry I misinterpreted you.
No you didn't.
bj> I have no such handi-cap...
Yes you do. You have a reading comprehension problem caused by your religious
occultism, hatred and bigotry.
bj> simply that I've encountered many neo-pagans.
What's at issue is your outrageous demand that there are only your gods
and that none others exist. Now that you've have the truth shoved up your
ass perhaps you'll be able to read it and learn from your betters.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:50:33
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#include David Rice
AS> I find it more comforting to have a God[sic] who
AS> doesn't CARE if you did good or bad...if you ask
AS> for forgiveness.
dr> That's very evil of you.
100% agreement. Anyone who thinks like you do is a danger to the health
of society.
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|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:52:33
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AS> I find it more comforting to have a God[sic] who
AS> doesn't CARE if you did good or bad...if you ask
AS> for forgiveness.
dr> That's very evil of you.
And they stamp their little foots and demand all the Christians who came
before them and are responsible for the tyrannies and inhuman slaughters
aren't Real True Christians. This one comes along and waves his little
magic wand and sets it all right.
And just fuck the uncounted millions who died under the swords of people
like Al.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: absense of belief
|Date: 20 Jan 97 17:58:41
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AS>> You believe so?
RC> The evidence indicates as much. No belief required, you know.
AS> Well, I'm sorry you have meager abilities to educate people....
See, Robert, the problem is _yours_, not the fundy's.
rc> Only enough to educate those who are willing to learn.
There's an understatement. I was often annoyed by the kids in my classes
who came to school because they had to, not because they wanted to learn.
They shit on everyone else's educations and made the rest of us work harder.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Al's continued idiotic delusional rants
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:04:26
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AS>> Dave Worrell similarly posting private email from Marilyn
AS>> Burge as a rather involved tagline. Doubtless, to be
AS>> consistent, you will defend that also.
RC> Doubtless you enjoy stirring as much shit as possible when
RC> it comes to Marilyn and anyone with whom she happens to have
RC> a dispute.
AS> Tsk. A simple, "I do not back Worrell
as> in that" would be more to the point.
rc> You just don't get the point, do you?
The guy actually seems to think that there is such a thing as private e-mail
when using Internet or FidoNet's routes. The only way email becomes private
in this technology is with encryption.
This issue has come up with The Skeptic Tank business. After I inform people
that I intend to use their fundamentalist rants in newsletters or quotes,
they start making demands and ranting about "private mail" that they want
to pretend they own copyrights to.
Fact is everything that comes in -- paper included -- becomes my property
or -- at extreme minimum -- subject to fair use extractions. If fundies
are embarrassed by what they believe, they shouldn't open their yaps.
Marilyn probably knows that email isn't private. It's damn rude to publish
direct email without the author's go-ahead, however.
~*~ Trust me when I tell you that if I know I'll end up in a mason jar
on a
shelf in a museum orbiting Pluto, I'll still follow a woman around a
barroom like a cur follows a bitch in heat. Honest. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: whining Al
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:10:32
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RC> Those who send long, boring rehashes of their public posts,
RC> as you did, Al, have no cause to complain if their rehashes
RC> are returned to the echo whence they originated to begin with.
AS> Keep justifying it to yourself, Robert.
as> Maybe you will eventually believe it.
rc> Behold the hurt puppydog!
Resentment has always been the primary motivational factor driving his posts.
He's better educated, more read, and far more literate than other fundies
so I think he is capable of understanding and feeling the hurt of having
his beliefs debunked utterly.
He's a higher quality of fundy yet still driven by the inability to reason.
No wonder he's always resentful.
~*~ We'll get his clown suit off some day, I promise you. - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: wilbersex#2
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:12:05
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JS> Jim Staal not only recognizes gays as human, but even
JS> befriends them. Go figure...
You are a fucking liar. Give me their names and mailing address. I have
some quotes of yours to mail to them.
~*~ At which point would you like me to start over? - Dave Schultz
Oh, when the doctor first spanked your ass would be a good place. - S.R.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: demonic pacts
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:19:56
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FR>> Just think, with the way things are going in the United States,
FR>> _my_ way will eventually become the standard way. }:-}
RC> Then I most assuredly *WILL* shoot you.
GT> And miss, as your broadsides inevitably do.
rc> Especially as I don't own any firearms in the first place.
rc> Maybe, if I can just hold on long enough to the rifle I borrowed
rc> from Ed, Fredric might step into range once again.
Hell, I'll loan you one. There's a large selection to chose from, though.
What would you perfer to use? You wouldn't have to worry about picking
one that's difficult to trace since they are all registered to me and, in
any event, I would hope that they never find the body anyway.
~*~ Virgins give birth all the time! Yeah.
They just don't tip the stork. - Robert Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Bill Wolff isn't to be trusted to guess my weight
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:28:14
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BW>> Someone dumped this into my Internet email inbox.
FR>> I don't believe you.
FR> He could stub his toe and report about it and I wouldn't believe him.
dw> If Billy told me the sky was blue, I'd go outside and check.
If Bill told me the Earth has a Moon I could call Griffith Observatory and
check.
{your turn} }:-}
FR> I wonder if he actually believes that anyone here is stupid
fr> enough as to fall for his Creationist bullshit.
dw> There is at least one person here that stupid. Billy himself.
You think Bill actually convinces himself eventually? Could be.
~*~ Christianity is evil by it's own standards. - Paul Feonic
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Look Who is Insulted?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 19:58:35
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TE>> It would be the voice that says, " You have
te>> killed my people for our lands,
dw>> "Because we were too pathetic to defend our lands.."
FR> Actually because the domestic populace
fr> hadn't invented the repeating rifle.
dw> Isn't that what I just said?
Not quite. Provided in quantity the Winchester 1 of 1000 could have allowed
the domestic populace the chance to hold off their eventual genocide for
decades, perhaps soliciting foreign assistance from nations who might have
been more than willing to assist in exchange for fur, spice, mining, and
timber rights. (Mexico would probably have found such an alliance advantageous.)
They could have easilly have survived if given a chance.
Had the domestic Indian populace understood what was happening to them and
consolidated their efforts against the whites instead of against each other,
they might have managed to limit the amount of lands the whites took from
them and the Mexicans.
But they didn't understand what was happening to them. "Pathetic" didn't
factor into their genocide; the advent of superior technology and their
inability to understand that the white man was different did. By repeatedly
attacking wagon trains and lone wagons they forced military troops to spread
West with them.
They weren't genetically inferior or "pathetic."
FR> In fact on the 16'th I get to go to a gun show and I hope to see
fr> if I can find some information on the old Gyrojet revolver
dw> Heh.. I'd *really* like to have one of those. :)
Good luck finding ammunition for it! }:-}
Some of the pieces in the auction I would trade real money for... There
is a 7-shot flintlock revolving pistol by Nock up for auction. It's an
interesting piece. The rounded parts show heat discoleration the maker
decided not to cover over with blueing agents or processes -- it looks different.
And it's a flintlock. One can't easilly shove it into a pocket or a holster
and then expect to withdraw it quickly and start sending off rounds any
time soon. }:-}
I heard that there will be several Henry rifles for auction. I would bet
that any one of them will bring in over 1000 times what I typically pay
for my cars.
I intend to pick up some more knives.
~*~ Sorry, I must have misunderstood your question. I believe that the
Holy Spirit caused on of Mary's eggs to become a fetus without sperm.
- Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Females in this "Christian Nation"
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:03:52
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FR>ÿ@SUBJECT:Females in this Christian nation
BJ> The same situation exists for other sacred relationships in
bj> this life...the most akin to the "God-Man" relationship being
bj> that between the husband and wife.
FR> His rhetoric sounds like he's a Mormon.
kw> I'll bow to your greater knowledge here--all
kw> I saw was that it sounded sick to me.
It's a guess on my part working from exposure to Mormon churches some 20
years ago. They seem to always want to equate gods-men "relationships"
with husband-wife relationships so that they can place themselves in the
posistion of being their wife's gods. (Which, they believe, they will all
become eventually. The male ruleing their own planet, the wife pumping
out babies to send down to the planet. No shit.)
kw> Considering the number of abused wives in this so-called
kw> christian nations, that sure says a lot for your god.
FR> Consider what fundamentalists _want_ to do with women, though,
fr> and it gets much worse. Epidemic beatings is just the current
fr> manifestation. They would displace them from the work place.
FR> Then of course in Muslim-majority countries, it gets worse.
kw> Let the CC have their way, and it'll be just as bad here.
I have yet to see a Christian fundy admit that what they advocate is no
different than what they observed in Muslim fanatic countries.
"But that's DIFFERENT!"
~*~ Are you yet another product of "home schooling"? - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Blast from the past
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:05:00
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dr> Wanna see how sick some fundies are?
dr> http://www.christiangallery.com/ (home page)
dr> http://www.christiangallery.com/sick1.html#bugger (sicker than ever)
dr> /* Finest Christian porn on the 'Net */
What? Pictures of Ruck Limbaugh?
~*~ Once more: your question is stupid, and I will not answer it.
- Jesse C. Jones
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Christians at Work
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:09:43
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dm> Well, after a longish period of quiet, we've had two
dm> bombs at an abortion clinic in Atlanta this morning: anyone
dm> care to take the bet that the perp, if caught, will turn out
dm> to be a Real, True Christian?
There _are_ no other domestic terrorist organizations that engage in this
type of behavior. (Not even Earth First! -- yet.) No bet here.
dm> Are all of our rabid anti-abortion fundies accounted for?
The proper term for these terrorists is "pro-lifer."
~*~ I am free to think any way I please. I Corinthians 6:12. - Jim Staal
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bill Wolff isn't to be trusted to guess my weight
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:14:10
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dc> Get it straight, Billy-boy. No one believes a single
dc> thing that you post as being remotely factual.
FR> I wonder if he actually believes that anyone here is
fr> stupid enough as to fall for his Creationist bullshit.
dc> Errr, Fredric, you forgot that Staal is still posting here.
dc> Jimbo believes everything if you nail a godling to it.
Yeah? So I could rope a godling to the Washington Monument, show it to
Stall, and he would be dumb enough to buy it?
~*~ I find it more comforting to have a God[sic] who doesn't CARE[sic]
if you did good or bad...if you ask for forgiveness. - Al Schroeder
(Expressing one of the reasons Christianity is supremely evil. Fuck
the fact that the ___VICTIMS___ of Christians are the only ones with
the power to forgive them.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Point to you
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:15:37
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dc> I'd like to participate, but I have this revolt going on in
dc> the Beta Indian Nations Quadrant than needs quelling.
FR> Don't you mean there's a revolt in India that needs _fomenting_?
FR> You're a god, after all. Behave like one!
dc> I am. That's exactly why this controversy is happening!
Woops! Point to you.
~*~ No, these things all happened because you shouted it out that you were
gay. If you had kept it to yourself, these things would not have
happened to you, now would they. - Jim Staal
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bill quotes Sagan again!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:24:30
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BW> You must be referring to someone else. As I'm not a fundy and I can
BW> be shown trustworthy if people like you would get off of your ass
FR>
dc> It was a good thing I didn't have a full bladder at the
dc> time I read his message or I'd have been in big trouble.
It _is_ a shame that evolution favored the untrustworthy spinicher value,
huh?
dc> You are a demonstrated liar, Billy-boy.
dc> You are also a demonstated flake.
Oh but he'll _prove_ he's not a lying asshole! He'll misquote Sagan again!
FR> For a clown who continually demands he's not a Creationist, he
FR> certainly has their method of operation down pat, huh?
dc> I love it when he rants and raves about
dc> how he did not misquote Sagan.
It's even more funny in a digital forum where copies are 100% accurate in
their reproduction and storage. It's not like in the past where a fundy
got to make a claim and got to deny the accuracy of what they said later.
~*~ The Cross is the only hope for the world. - Charles Rollins
Only if we put more Christians on the things. - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Lee W. Take up a collection!
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:30:51
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FR> If we can get a collection to get him to do it at HolySmoke
FR> Convention, I would pay up big bucks to the contribution. The MGM
FR> Grand Hotel should be tall enough.
dc> Bobby Kneivel! Move over! You've been
dc> replaced by a pseudo-realist.
Youbetcha. We get any movie studio interested or simply sell the videotape
to any studio who wants a copy of a live suicide. (A live suicide.
Surreal.)
His death would be good publicity for HolySmoke.
dc> You know, I think the MGM would look favorably on the deal.
dc> After all, their only investment to get a cut from the
dc> proceeds would be the cleanup crew to scrape Lee off of the
dc> sidewalk, errr "Big Pillow".
They would make _millions_ off the deal. Get every New Age quack Quantum
metafundy to place bets that he'll change reality and survive. They could
offer 100 to 1 odds to really rake in the Holographic Universe Weenies.
As for the mess, that's easy. We spread butcher block paper everywhere
then simply roll it up and burn it all at the dump later.
~*~ I have God himself. - Rick Gordon
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:32:46
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FR> Intimidation out of fear is what drives
fr> Christianity; what makes it successful.
sq> I wonder if this accounts for many of the "good things"
sq> that certain Fundamentalist Christians do during the month
sq> of December.
Just ask any Republican now that the Party has been taken over by Christian
zealots.
sq> Jesse, you out there? Anything to add?
I do believe you're trying to get his Goat. }:-}
~*~ I, as an Elder in His church, have the authority
and power of God." -- Ric Remington (Mormon fundy)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Jesse Jones
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:39:58
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sq> Jesse, you out there? Anything to add?
Another thing...
Though Jesse is most likely still reading, when he finally _does_ get driven
to respond I will bet you a buck that he makes noises about how "someone"
forwarded a comment to him through email and he decided to respond.
And another buck says that he would end his resentment-filled rant with
some remark about not bothering to respond since he's "still" not here.
Very convieniently forgetting to mention who the "someone" was who emailed
him and ignoring all the requests for a name later.
Bets? Place your bets?
~*~ I believe in family with my ever loving wife beside me. She don't
know about my girl friend -- or the man I met last night - GENESIS
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Obscene Christianic rituals
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:41:25
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sq> [In utero baptism]
FR> You've ___got___ to be kidding! They
fr> don't actually do this, do they?!
sq> Why not? You and I are acquainted with
sq> some people who baptize -dead- people.
But this one runs the risk of killing both victims. Dead people (while
being unable to complain) at least have the benefit of not suffering from
further obscene Christian rituals.
~*~ This ain't the harmony echo, dipshit. - Robert Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: THINK ABOUT IT TWO
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:46:26
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> (Cont. from previous post.)
> (From G.K. Chesterton's ORTHODOXY)
Your own lengthy, illiterate shitfests are bad enough, you evil goon. Why
don't you go back to your dark closet and kneel down in fear with your buddy
Staal and bow down to your willful ignorance?
Leave your intellectual and moral superiors out of your potty problems.
~*~ What did you expect in Hell? Altar boys and holy water??? - C. B.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Al's deliberate delusions
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:56:15
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FR>> ~*~ EVERYONE FROM THE SOUTH IS GUILTY OF INCEST.
FR>> - Christopher Calabrese
as> I don't usually comment on taglines, but what the hey, since it
as> was obviously to get my goat. All I can say is that you just
as> also maligned Robert Curry, David Worrell, Mike Hardy, and
as> many another participants here.
rc> Oh, the horror of it! I feel so _maligned_. LOL!
The stupid idiot probably thinks that all the quotes here are picked manually
from a list to specifically try to insult the intended reader. Man, that
clown hasn't a clue. He would ___love___ to be considered important enough
to have taglines tailored to him.
Yet the most effort I afford to shit is to scrape it off my shoes.
as> Me, I'm laughing at you.
rc> I'm laughing, too. It will be left as an exercise
rc> for the reader to figure out "at whom" though.
Gee. Now let me guess... It's a tough one.
FR> The quotes are pseudo-randomly selected, you ignorant death cult
FR> fundy. The source code is available here as QUOTES.ZIP -- there
FR> is no facility for selecting quotes for particular messages.
rc> But you did it on purpose. Al said it, so we must all
rc> believe it. He is infallible. He knows all. And he
rc> sometimes even believes it himself.
Then he must believe I have strange powers and abilities superior to those
he gives his deity constructs. If he wants to believe that I can effect
changes in pseudo-random number generators, that's ___far___ superior to
what his deity constructs can do.
The guy's a truely pathetic moron.
FR> You want to pretend that I'm trying to "get your goat..."
rc> There are an awful lot of goats around here, lately.
}:-} Yes. My back yard isn't big enough for those that I have gotten so
far.
~*~ As far as "making the world a better place..." we don't do that here.
- Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: demonic pacts
|Date: 20 Jan 97 20:58:41
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FR> Look at what's happening, though. "Where are my
FR> glasses," black lipstick, one-inch plastic guns, ebonics...
FR> hell; we're already there.
rc> Idiocy is nothing new. My sole concern is with your
rc> horrific spelling (of which there are no examples above,
rc> so maybe things are looking up).
Actually, were I to go through the old old old HolySmoke archives on 5.25
inch floppies, I would be able to show quite an improvement. What I could
use is a spelling program for my FrontDoor editor.
FR> Come shot me. }:-}
rc> For shots, you must decide: Bourbon or Scotch? Which for you?
Well, as much as I admire Marty head and shoulders above all others here,
I'magonna have to pick... Diet Coke!
~*~ If you had just stayed home in your closet, they would never have
known that you are Black, (oh wait, that wasn't it), Jewish?, ... I
forgot, what is your crime? - Jack O'Neill
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: False Tooth Fairy Scum
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:01:00
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JB> I have never been the Tooth fairy.
DR> Quantum physics demonstrates that there is a Tooth Fairy,
DR> and that there is only one.
rc> As contrasted with there being exactly two of Ciya.
Symmetry remains unbroken, I see.
DR> Don't blame me if you don't understand the math that proves it.
rc> Don't look at me.
Brawley reminds me of the Calvin and Hobbs cartoon where Calvin proceeds
to make some outrageous claim and then tells his teacher not to bother with
"the math and such" since it's too complicated to understand.
~*~ Running DOS on a system with 16 megs is like using the Bible as a
guide for day to day life. - C. J. Henshaw
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Brett Johnson
|Sub: Brett Johnson: liar
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:05:41
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BJ> "Elohim", among other things, was a Hebraism to refer to a judge.
There's just no lie and willful deception you won't try, huh? When it's
done for your gods there's nothing you won't lie about, huh?
Elohim, you lying fundy, is the title of a panethon of gods -- plural.
"The Coming of the Elohim" refers to the coming of the gods.
I can understand your need to lie to yourself. Your masters program you
people to believe that you have only one god while at the same time they
try to make you believe the classical Christanic mythologies which gives
you an unknown number of gods and goddesses.
Look up "cognative disonance" if your masters will let you.
~*~ God loves you. He can free you from the horrible temptations of your
social disorder. - Johnny Mckinney (Talking about homosexuality)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Brett Johnson: Liar
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:07:35
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Brett Johnson
BJ> "Elohim", among other things, was a Hebraism to refer to a judge.
dc> Wrong. "Elohim" is the plural of "Eloh". "Eloh" is
dc> the Hebraic for god. "Elohim" therefore is _gods_.
Typical Christian trying to rewrite his mythologies. First he finds a version
of the classical Christanic mythologies which has his "commandments" rewritten
to remove that embarrassing truth about other gods ___before___ the Christanic
pantheon. Now he pencils in another excuse to deny the number of gods he's
been saddled with.
Brett, you're a fucking lunatic.
~*~ Take a hard look at the Grand Canyon. try to explain
that through evolution. - Freddie Cash
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Christian Dating Service
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:15:30
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FR> This is an aspect of Christianity that I find so evil: Christianity
FR> survives only on misery, ignorance, desperation, fear, hatred,
dc> It's beginning to look just that way.
Not too many years ago I thought there was some good in it. I've learned
that there's nothing about religion which is lacking among atheists which
likewise is done for superior moral reasons.
They give their masters their money to avoid the punishment of their Elohim
all the while trying to convince themselves that they're doing it because
they're good people who would "donate" money to a good cause anyway.
Fact is they know that 90% of the money they shell out disappears without
a trace whereas had they donated to real charities there's some accounting
for it all.
FR> doing. I also think that the problem will get worse and worse as they
FR> try vainly to foment ever more misery to keep membership numbers up
as
FR> people leave the mainstream brand names in droves.
dc> I'm not sure how doing that would help them.
Scratch a born-against fundy and find a hard-luck story full of misery and
woe. I think that deliberately fomenting misery among the populace guarentees
continued membership.
A happy, healthy populace needs no gods.
~*~ If the theists all shut up, the gods would be speechless. - Robert
Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Stupid Staal Fiascoes
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:21:48
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dc> Any and all Stupid Staal Fiasco Messages will be saved. Comments
dc> on them will we tallied and the the one with the most votes
FR> Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick me! I got some!
dc> Some? Aren't you the master of understatement.
I would pick but the most vile and submit those.
FR> I am condemning no one. The homosexual who sexually practices
FR> his homosexuality condemns himself." - Jim Staal
dc> Shit, that blows a current message
dc> he just sent right out of the water.
This is a guy who just claimed (in a message I read today, any way) that
he has several "gay friends." I asked the fucking liar for their names
and addresses so I can send them examples of his hate and bigotry.
FR> "I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem
FR> to particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart
dc> And, yet another one.
These quotes actually tell us a great deal more about the guy than he would
probably want us to know.
FR> ...there is no life on other planets. If there were, the Bible
FR> would have mentioned it. - Jim Staal (he's serious, by the way)
dc> And a classic act of hari-kiri by the idiot.
With a butter knife.
dc> Well, you get five votes, equally split, though.
Wait another 30 days... after he denies saying any of them I should deserve
an additional 5.
FR> Bathroom Staal continues to be one of the most evil and filthy
FR> participants ever to grace us with his lunacy.
dc> He's gone off of the deep end and
dc> has tied lead weights around his neck.
I really wish he would -- and take his fellow fundies with him.
dc> Thing is, there's more lead in his head
dc> than there is in the keel of your boat.
I don't think my boat has any. David's boat, however, has a couple of thousand
pounds of the stuff.
~*~ I'm not a liar David the freak! Please show any evidence where
I lied, David the dick head! - Bill Wolff
ROTFL! That'll sure make people forget you lied! - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Al's religious evil
|Date: 20 Jan 97 21:40:36
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I find it more comforting to have a God[sic] who doesn't CARE[sic]
if you did good or bad...if you ask for forgiveness.
Al would love to ignore the actual victims. Fuck the fact that only the
victims of Christians have the power to forgive them.
~*~ Thanks for allow me to post this Fido News! - Martin Riley
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Brett Johnson; jealou
|Date: 19 Jan 97 14:33:38
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On (18 Jan 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to Brett Johnson...
-> On 15 Jan 97 16:45:53, Brett Johnson got back to Fredric Rice
BJ> "Elohim", among other things, was a Hebraism to refer to a judge.
DC> Wrong. "Elohim" is the plural of "Eloh". "Eloh" is the Hebraic
DC> for god. "Elohim" therefore is _gods_.
Where in the world do these ignoramuses come from? They understand
without breaking a sweat that cherubim is the plural of cherub, and
that seraphim in the plural of seraph, but they get stuck on Elohim!
Wadda bunch of buffoons!
I cashed your check. thanks.
... Creationist: "Why yes. Rome _was_ built in a day."
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: J.J. needs to be Hitt
|Date: 19 Jan 97 14:38:46
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On (17 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to David Worrell...
AS> DW>> As far as I'm aware, no one has even come close to
AS> DW>> destroying the DW>> world.
AS> I'm old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, Dave.
DW> Still not enough to destroy the world, Al. All human life,
DW> maybe, but the world would go on. I'm not surprised, though,
DW> that a Christian equates human society with the world.
AS> But a nuclear winter would kill off most animal life and a
AS> good deal of the plant life, also. It wouldn't extinguish
AS> life. But it would be a while before it bounced back.
AS> If it's not the end of the world, it'll do till the real
AS> things comes along.
1. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Sagan's nuclear
winter has been pretty well debunked.
2. Even if true, I doubt it would do more damage than any
ordinary, naturally caused ice age, which the remaining
organisms have a way of bouncing back from (we're here,
aren't we?).
... The only 4.0 you got in school was your blood alcohol content.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: meaning
|Date: 19 Jan 97 14:54:14
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On (17 Jan 97) ROBERT CURRY babbled to LEE WOOFENDEN...
RC> LW>> I believe there is a God because I think the universe is a
RC> LW>> better and more sensible place with one than without one.
RC> Is that the kind of reasoning you would use to believe in a
RC> full course dinner behind a door, just because you would like
RC> to have one, and not because there is any actual evidence
RC> of one existing there?
LW> No. Because it might not be _good_ for there to be a full-course
LW> dinner behind the door, whereas I do think it is good for
LW> there to be a God.
Lemme get this straight. He believes there's a god because he
thinks the universe is better off with one than without one.
I believe that illness doesn't exist for EXACTLY the same reason.
Now, I'd like him to explain to me why my sister has been sick
for the past 20 years and is now dying.
... Possessor of a mind not merely twisted but actually sprained.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: al debunks apple sauc
|Date: 19 Jan 97 15:04:50
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On (18 Jan 97) Curtis Johnson babbled to Al Schroeder...
CJ> Beginning to get the idea of one reason I'm no longer willing
CJ> to waste much of my time on you?
You asked a question! I SAW IT; you asked a question!
... I confess to an unatural, and abnormal act. I have programmed a computer.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 19 Jan 97 15:05:48
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On (18 Jan 97) Curtis Johnson babbled to Marilyn Burge...
CJ> On 14 Jan 97 06:38am, MARILYN BURGE wrote to DON MARTIN:
CJ> Semmelweis. Just like the med students of Vienna were doing
CJ> Ob/Gyn immediately after doing their dissections, one could
CJ> suppose Martin's priests might be doing their baptizism after
CJ> chrisming the dead.
I suspect the truth is even worse than you imagine. I suspect the
priest is using the same turkey baster on all the women, without
cleaning it between trips. I also suspect they are getting sepsis
from the water that is used, as it probably comes from the dipping
bowl in the church that everybody else is using day after day to
cross themselves.
... "Taglines: Your last chance to really piss off the other guy!"
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 19 Jan 97 15:40:12
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On (16 Jan 97) Martin Goldberg babbled to Al Schroeder...
MG> When I first went into molecular biology, I was given the
MG> seemingly impossbile task of starting with nothing and
MG> producing proteins produced in a bacterial orgnaism that
MG> can't even be cultivated. Not only is it done, but we have
MG> moved on to other more difficult projects.
MG> The prayer question is logs more difficult to perform.
I STILL say it's impossible. You've got two groups, one that the
committee memebers pray for, the other that are given the same
level of care, but no committee members are praying for them.
1. How do we know a family member isn't praying for a merciful
end for somebody in the prayed-for group?
2. How do we know that a family member isn't praying for a cure
for somebody in the not-prayed-for group?
Add to that all your concerns about matching maladies in the two
groups, matching level of care in the two groups, and matching
degrees of sickness in the matching maladies, and you've got a
clear impossibility.
... Wreck the malls with cows on Harleys...
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 19 Jan 97 16:24:56
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On (18 Jan 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to Glen Todd...
-> On 17 Jan 97 15:50:02, Glen Todd got back to Al Schroeder
DC> DC>> As it stands, 1/2 of the world is given secondary class
DC> recognition DC>> by the religion you hold.
GT> It's a good deal more than half, Dan -- and growing.
DC> So, just how many more females are born as compared to males?
DC> I knew it was a couple of percentage points. Has that increased?
At birth, there are 51 males for every 50 females. But, males
are more apt to die in the first year. Then teenage nonsense
like playing chicken behind the wheel takes over a widens the
gap even further. It used to be that war widened it even more
after that, but that hasn't been so lately. Then, in old age,
men die sooner than women by about 5 years.
... Mythos has a purpose. Religion has an agenda.
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Where do they do it?
|Date: 19 Jan 97 16:29:48
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On (19 Jan 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to Glen Todd...
DC> That's it, pretty much across the board with that cult. Try
DC> reading _The Mind of the Believer_ for more on their psychological
DC> profile. ^
Bible
... A clash between the Yugo of belief and the Kenworth of reality.
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|From: Rick Mcfarlane
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: truth
|Date: 18 Jan 97 23:57:00
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-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Rick Mcfarlane <=-
Good morning, Marty.
AS> I don't
AS> paint myself blue and leap naked or near-naked into battle, like my
AS> Celt, English, or Germanic ancestors did.
RM> Why not?
ML> It is not honorable to slay one's enemies whilst they're
ML> convulsed in laughter.
But when it comes down to a choice between honour and a damn effective
battle tactic, which one do you think the average Celt would go for?
Take care.
... It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver. - La Fontaine
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|From: Fane
|To: Leonard Bernier
|Sub: Isaiah 53:7 / Matthew 27:12
|Date: 19 Jan 97 14:26:10
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18 Jan 97 15:33, Leonard Bernier wrote to All:
LB> PROPHECY: - The Messiah will be sitent before his accusers.
LB> "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He did open His mouth."
* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LB> FULFULLMENT: "And while He was being accused by the chief priests and
LB> elders, He answered nothing."
* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Looks to me like this prophecy-fullfullment was just plain WRONG.
LB> Since the Lord is directing our steps, why try to understand
LB> everything that happens along the way ?
Hell, if you say so. :)
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|From: Stuart Lumgair
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: 'FIRST CAUSE' CRAP
|Date: 18 Jan 97 20:12:02
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Dan Ceppa wrote in a message to Stuart Lumgair:
SL> Yes, but zero does not exist as a natural number.
SL> Claiming to see zero birds in a tree is the same as
SL> seeing zero pink unicorns in the same tree. Both are
DC> So, just how many birds or unicorns are there in the
DC> tree if there are no birds or unicorns in that tree?
There are none. None is not a number. Once you pre-suppose that there must
be some nuber of creatures in the tree, you
get to create the number zero in order to mathematically
represent none. Zero is merely a mathematical repressentation of nothingness,
void, et cetera.
Stuart
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|From: Stuart Lumgair
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: 'FIRST CAUSE' CRAP
|Date: 18 Jan 97 20:16:50
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ROBERT CURRY wrote in a message to STUART LUMGAIR:
DC> Without zero, negative numbers do not fit in with the
DC> positive intergers.
SL> Exactly. Negative numbers do not exist in nature.
And when did we start mixing negative numbers
and integers. Negative integers may not fit in
the Whole Number set.
RC> Neither do positive numbers, if you are going to be picky
RC> about it (and please do be picky, as that's the best way to
RC> do math).
Please explain how positive numbers do not exist.
I don't think I ever made it to that level of
mathematics. I am sure it exists, I just never
got that far.
SL> They are both intelectual constructions.
RC> That comment applies equally to every number without
RC> exception. All of the integers are abstractions which
RC> describe the common property of cardinality.
Not true, some numbers are more equal than others .
At a much higher level of conceptualization this does
turn out to be true. I am merely playing with grade 4
mathematic sets. At the earliest levels of the concept
of numbers, zero did not exist, nor did negitive numbers,
fractions, and all that other fun stuff :) Later
conceptionaliztions do not invalidate the earlier
ones, they merely add to our methods of working with
numbers.
Stuart
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: FAQ!
|Date: 19 Jan 97 09:39:34
EID:d130 22334ce0
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REPLY: 1:124/9005.221 73cf15c0
16 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Martin Goldberg to Ed Mills:
MG> MG>> DR>> watching the show. I found (and find) Loni Anderson
MG> MG>> DR>> very ugly.
MG> MG>> You die.
EM> Make that two corpses. Yuck! But, then again, I like
EM> Channing, so I got no room to talk. :)
MG> I'd rather screw a dead dog.
MG> My father was always in love with Carol Channing (in her salad days).
MG> I have no idea why.
The "Stockard" got edited out, for some reason. Not Carol.
Now I have to go puke again.
Did you see "Kingpin?" There's a funny scene where Harrelson
hugs porcelain after screwing his hideous landlady for the rent.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: idle
|Date: 19 Jan 97 09:43:40
EID:f2b2 22334d60
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REPLY: 1:105/302.666 cbdd0e2e
19 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marilyn Burge to Ed Mills:
EM> O god of atheism, I beseech thee:
EM> Send more paramedics!
EM> edweird
MB> You could have solved the problem by getting saved while you were
MB> gone, ya know.
But I am of insufficient economic means to obtain the prerequisite
lobotomy, and I never ride motorcycles without a helmet.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:44:54
EID:291d 22339580
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 2c548152
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 0f23203e
13 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Jim Staal to Domino:
JS> much more meaningful and true than the mere physical. Here is my
JS> proof:
JS> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
The occult belief systems of other cultures also have their mystical
books of purported history, printed on official-looking crinkly
parchment. Undoubtedly they all have paragraphs like the above,
advising the reader that the contents are "God-breathed."
You call this "proof" because your feelings tell you it is so after
having read it. Millions of subscribers to other cults feel the same
way about their superstitions.
"It's in a book, it makes me feel good because it's authoritarian and
sternly compelling, (see also: rebuke, correcting, cat-o-nine tails,
rubber bondage fetishism, etc.) and it fits my perceptions of the
universe, so it must be true."
Reasoning like that being commonplace, I marvel daily at the fact we
haven't managed to succeed at self-eradication much more quickly
than at the rate of our present attempts.
JS> And as the Holy Spirit confirms it to my heart, I need no further
JS> 'evidence'.
Hey! How come there's no law against intellectual suicide, but it's
still illegal to do it with a vacuum cleaner hose and a Buick? :)
edweird
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 19 Jan 97 17:52:40
EID:5e85 22338e80
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REPLY: 1:261/1137 320a05d2
CJ> Semmelweis. Just like the med students of Vienna were
CJ> doing Ob/Gyn immediately after doing their dissections, one
CJ> could suppose Martin's priests might be doing their
CJ> baptizism after chrisming the dead.
Ignaz Phillip Semmelwiess was born in Pesth, Hungary. He was ridiculed
for his stance on germ theory in Vienna and later in Germany. He was dubbed
"The Pesth Fool".
By the time everyone found out that he was right, it was being said that
the Pestch Fool was a german.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: native americans
|Date: 19 Jan 97 17:55:04
EID:7b08 22338ee0
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REPLY: 1:261/1137 320a0649
CJ> There's still a merry controvery over the geographical
CJ> origins of syphilus. Even if one assumes it were "New World" in
CJ> origin, the proportion killed was rather less than that in the
CJ> "New World" by smallpox, much less other diseases. [Of course,
CJ> smallpox was helped along by Puritan blankets.]
Syphilis was unheard of until the men on Columbus' ships returned fromt
he New Wrold with it. In that day, it was a childhood disease of congenital
nature caused by the forebearer of the present day veneral organism Treponema
pallidum. It was probably the basis of autoimmune disfiguration much like
the close cousins of Syphilis, Yaws and Pinta. Also caused by spirochetes
these are third world diseases that are likely more inline with what syphilis
originally was.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:05:52
EID:7710 223390a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73f5fc90
REPLY: 1:270/420.0 32e14c2c
P> But no, He shall be coming, and very soon.. But even if it
P> wasn't true, so what? If I am wrong, I lose nothing.. Now, what
P> if non-Christians are wrong? What do they lose? A great deal
P> more..
Pacal's Wager was shown to be fallible years ago.
What if you ARE wrong? Which other god is going to be pissed at you?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Lee Woofenden
|Sub: Show the relevance, Fred. Go on. Do it. We're waiting. Go ah
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:09:22
EID:b753 22339120
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REPLY: 1:101/525.0 32e10a71
LW> I will pay _you_ (or anyone else) $100 if you can either 1)
LW> explain how the experiment is useful in corroborating or
LW> falsifying the theory I presented earlier, or 2) explain how
LW> the experiment would be capable of demonstrating to others
LW> that my "deity construct" exists or does not exist. (These
LW> are two distinct issues.)
Your challenge is saved to disk. So that everything is PRECISELY clear,
please state the theory you presented earlier.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Pick on poor mike
|Date: 15 Jan 97 16:58:16
EID:30b1 222f8740
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73c0a11f
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32d87238
AS> You're absolutely right...no one should become a believer out of
AS> guilt, or out of fear. No one should join just because they
AS> want to be with a relative after death. But I see it as it
AS> added perk, as it were, but not te motivation for bieng a
AS> believer.
And what iws your reason?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:00:51
EID:38ba 222f8800
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REPLY: 1:105/302.666 8b58a3cc
MB> Actually, I found it amusing. IT WAS DEAD! She was BAPTIZING A
MB> HUNK OF DEAD MEAT! That kind of superstition leaves me baffled,
MB> and wondering how she had enough mental horsepower to drive to
MB> work that morning, let alone enough to get through nursing
MB> school.
I'll catch shit for this, I know, but I seldom have found a profession so
totally devoid of original thought as nursing. Nursing requires knowledge
and a prescried set of rules...but original thought is right out. Those
nurses who have an ounce of intelligence move on to do other things including
being managers and the like. If you only knew some of the stupid questions
I've had over the years from these people.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Ceppa has his head up his ass again. Oh. That's his normal s
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:09:49
EID:d040 222f8920
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BW> I've never said that Carl Sagan was creationists. What I did say
BW> is that I agree with Carl Sagan completely. And when Carl
BW> Sagan admits that the fossil record could be consistent with
You are a liar. Carl does not believe in any designer. Read the gawddamned
article again illy.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Carl Sagan
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:11:42
EID:00be 222f8960
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REPLY: 1:115/769.2 ccda00e1
BW>> Carl Sagan didn't claim that evolution had positively had
BW>> taken place!
MG>> You wnat to be treated like you're not a fundy? OK, explain
MG>> why you said the above. Carl Sagan most explicitly said
MG>> that evolution has occured int eh past and does so today.
BW> No you don't seem to understand. As I know that evolution is a
BW> fact, but evolutionary theory is what is in question. Sure,
BW> species may have changed by changing conditions by natural
BW> means. Although Carl Sagan also admits that species may have
BW> been changed by "... Designer of a more remote and indirect
BW> temperament." And thus is only one of many reasons why I
BW> feel that we should question the evolution theory. Thus if
BW> the pieces don't fit all nicely (of which it doesn't), then
BW> we shouldn't accept this belief as a fact, like you and many
BW> others do just like a fundy. Which makes you and others to
BW> be no better than they are.
What you are saying, in effect is only what every scientist does. Question
his own work. Yet in the sentence above, you make a positive statement.
Carl Sagan most certainly has said that evolution has taken place.
I suggest that you read some more of his stuff, Fundy and not just the stuff
that your church masters let you read.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Bill quotes Sagan again!
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:19:58
EID:bfdd 222f8a60
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73c0d50c
REPLY: 1:115/769.2 531b1f46
In a msg on , Bill Wolff of 1:115/769.2 writes:
BW> On (02 Jan 97) Fredric Rice wrote to Bill Wolff...
BW>> JsnowNYT: Dr. Sagan, a question from Diaspar about religion:
BW>> Is it necessary to not believe in God to be scientific?
BW>> CarlSagan1: It depends entirely on what you mean by God.
BW>> But, being scientific merely means depending on evidence.
BW>> We don't believe...
Sagan never answered the question. REad it again and get some comprehension
this time.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Bill Wolff: silly guy!
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:22:51
EID:fa6c 222f8ac0
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REPLY: 1:115/769.2 5d99306b
BW> You're still naive and clueless after all of these years, eh
BW> David? I never said that Carl Sagan supports the belief that
BW> a creator made everything. I merely pointed out that Carl
BW> Sagan candidly admits that "a Designer of a more remote and
BW> indirect temperament" could of done so. Why is this fact so
BW> hard for you to understand? Are you really this clueless and
BW> stupid as you appear to be?
Bullshit...this is NOT what you said at all. Lets review just what you
said:
> > BW> Okay where do you want me to start? How about with Carl
> > BW> Sagan? In his book Cosmos, he candidly admits "The fossil
> > BW> evidence could be consistent with the idea of a Great
> > BW> Designer."
Look at what you quoted. It is entirely different from what you are quoting
now. There are no qualifiers such as you are posting now.
You seem to be lying again, Wolff.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Feeble human cattle
|Date: 15 Jan 97 17:30:41
EID:d103 222f8bc0
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REPLY: 3:690/660.0 32d8772c
RS> My partner and I have just got to get together with the famous
RS> Glodbreg and all three of us can meet John Harvath together :)
Havrath is long gone (the message youquoted is MONTHS old). I find that
when push comes to shove, the boys that want to get overly feisty don't
want to do it in person. I never had one meet me down at DFW airport yet.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: FAQ!
|Date: 16 Jan 97 19:16:36
EID:162a 22309a00
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf15c0
REPLY: 1:105/24.12 a5a77dfa
MG>> DR>> watching the show. I found (and find) Loni Anderson
MG>> DR>> very ugly.
MG>> You die.
EM> Make that two corpses. Yuck! But, then again, I like
EM> Channing, so I got no room to talk. :)
I'd rather screw a dead dog.
My father was always in love with Carol Channing (in her salad days). I
have no idea why.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 16 Jan 97 19:44:17
EID:4f33 22309d80
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf5752
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 32d8d5c4
MG>> I will. I just need to find better targets than helpless
MG>> pagans.
DW> One takes what one can get.
You should a/f Flame and watch as the morons are taken apart. The last
one got a pizza sent to his house at midnight just for being a fool.
Show up and ask for Jack Kinney.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Zulu harvest festival
|Date: 16 Jan 97 19:51:15
EID:dddb 22309e60
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf6ad3
REPLY: 5:7107/21.0 2dabe5c5
MG>> And your point is?
MM> The point is that Steve seems to be of these painfully
MM> PC-correct South Africans not seeing anything wrong with
MM> barbaric religious customs - as long as he sees it as
MM> RELIGIOUS, come hell or high water.
I am far from being an animal activist. I routinely use rabbits, mice and
rats in research with absolutely no qualms. However, no matter what might
be learned fromt he experiment, I doubt that our committee would give us
the permission to carry out anything like was described here.
If anyone thinks that there is any good thta comes from this, they need
to see a shrink.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: Bill Wolff: silly guy!
|Date: 16 Jan 97 19:56:38
EID:3df5 22309f00
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf77ea
REPLY: 1:102/735.0 222d83e8
MK> Sagan didn't say that, though, Billy. He said that the fossil
MK> evidence is not inconsistent with that, not that one "could
MK> of done so" [sic]. Then he went on to explain that there is
MK> a much better explanation, didn't he?
MK> You're busted all over again... :-)
Billy is one amazing guy. When present evidence of his lies, he ignores
them and goes on to tell us that he has been a big, bad, atheist all along
and that we had him all wrong. He's been busted so many times in the past
few months that he looks like Madonna's pussy.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: WiCCA
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:03:28
EID:44f9 2230a060
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf82b6
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 32da4b22
DC> They may make more movies today, but few of them, if any, can
DC> be rated as a classic. Very few movies are worth a first
DC> viewing, let alone a re-watch.
Amen, Brother.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Warring christanic factio
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:07:55
EID:c89a 2230a0e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cf9e70
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32da0f76
GtP> Alright. You are the geneticist. Have you never seen any
GtP> evidence that plants respond to external stimuli? As I said,
GtP> I've read a number of articles. I have been doing some web
GtP> searches and will be happy to share what I find. I will continue
GtP> to maintain, however, that plants respond by changing their
GtP> growth patterns and, when I can find some of the things I
GtP> remember reading in addition to the cabbage story, even perhaps
GtP> even by ways measurable by electrodes.
I am not a geneticist. Genetidists are fat balding guys that smoke cigars...oops......at
any rate, my field is not genetics. Classical genetics would have little
to do with this.
If you set up your experiment very simply with a plant in one room with
Mozart playing and the other in antoehr room with none and then you look
for the differences, how do you go about it? Let's just say that one got
taller than the other int he alloted one month of time. You wnat to say
that the music did something.
Did you measure the temperature int he rooms? The air flow? The lighting
patterns? Are the light bulbs the same? Are there windows close by one
place and not the other? Are there people in one room and not the other?
What are all the variables that can contribute to the plant's well being?
Since we are doing the experiment to see about music we cannot mkae leaps
of fatih about anything else. Maybe music mixed with something else is
harmful tot he plant. This is my point. We do not KNOW the outcome and
we do not want to paint our target around our conclusions. When you do
your web search, look for studies where they do controls, where they are
interested in getting the facts rather than just making an assumption and
azily going about "proving" it to be true.
Good luck.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:15:55
EID:c89a 2230a1e0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cfa02d
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 32da0f96
MG>> "Gates of Delirium"
GtP> Martin, the idea of you correcting my spelling has
GtP> brightened my whole day.
I do my best. I can also do stand up comedy at your next Bar Mitzvah.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: More grist from the web [2]
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:19:24
EID:03f3 2230a260
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cfb18c
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32daf58c
DC>> "Here: Eat this jelly doughnut or I'll kill you."
AS> "Okay, here are two doors. One leads to a smorgasboard of
AS> delicious food, and beautiful music, and fine books, and
AS> pretty ladies. The other leads you to a sheer dropoff and
AS> you will die, horribly, falling twenty stories.
AS> "Your choice."
Excellent analogy. Pascal debunking at its finest. Pick the wrong (god)
door and you die.
You pick one or the other. If you pick wrong, you die. Your god holds
the gun of the wrong door at our heads. The real god would not make us
make such a choice but rather base our life's deeds on our admission to
eternal reward.
That would be a real god. All others are False God Scum.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:26:12
EID:3701 2230a340
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REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32db03f8
MG>> population. But, as you point out, the variables here are
MG>> impossible to control for.
AS> Yep. Do you have a better suggestion for how to test whether
AS> prayer actually works or not?
No. We could do the experiment with all the controls. Then let the statisticians
work out the data. But the thing would be expensive to do and statistical
results are always a grey area. You can never think of all the questions
to aks on the questionaire. The other variables that are impossible to
control will also be a gigantic headache.
When I first went into molecular biology, I was given the seemingly impossbile
task of starting with nothing and producing proteins produced in a bacterial
orgnaism that can't even be cultivated. Not only is it done, but we have
moved on to other more difficult projects.
The prayer question is logs more difficult to perform.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Christians v Guns
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:30:11
EID:78d7 2230a3c0
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MG>> You should be scared of both equally.
AS> Nyaaahhh. But I know the people involved, you don't. Being
AS> purposely shot is not a big worry.
No. I mean that no one ever asked a corpse how it got so cold. It don't
make no nevermind how or who shot you. You're still dead.
REmember that dead is dead. Even in saviors.
MG>> You would be equally dead. I wonder why your god would let
MG>> a two year old accidentally find a gun left out by a
MG>> careless owner and shoot the owner or worse, a brother or
MG>> sister.
AS> Because we invent engines of destruction and then leave them out
AS> for infants to play with. The same reason I didn't expect
AS> God to stop us from atom bombing ourselves to death.
No way, Al. This is a cop out of infinite magnitude. Free will is just
fine if you do something that hurts or kills yourself. But when you leave
your gun out for a kid to find it goes beyond a godgiven free will. It
is murder and if your god gave the free will and does nothing about the
innocents that suffer, then he should go on trial too.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: humor the fundy fools
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:34:05
EID:034c 2230a440
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REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32db040a
AS> No; I'm pointing out that belief is necessary even to what we
AS> experience, in what is manifast. To Joan of Arc, voices from
AS> Heaven are manifast. Do you accept those implicitedly?
AS> Everything you "know" you perceive by your senses. Are your
AS> senses always right?
Sorry, Al. It's the same damned thing we've gone through with Lee W. You
want to give evidence of reality? Jump off the building. The sidewalk
will shoow you reality.
I have seen enough sidewalks that I need not do the experiment. Their reality
is manifest.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 16 Jan 97 20:44:05
EID:ff4d 2230a580
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 73cfe39c
REPLY: 1:228/45.5 d5550d60
Re: Your discussion of the "gleeps".
If you cna find one, get the 1996 Far Side Calendar by Jim Larsen (the one
that you pull off each successive day) and look at July 8.
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|From: Norman Solomon
|To: All
|Sub: Hi I'm new
|Date: 14 Jan 97 18:59:00
EID:05a4 222e9760
MSGID: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org ca663054
Hi all
Picked up this echo the other day after hearing a lot about it.
I am new to Fidoland, but that's about all that I am new to, being
from the generation that had flowers in their hair (I can still do
that but I would need scotch tape to keep them in place these days).
I would call myself a Christian, but most fundies prob would'nt
agree.
I am very interested in other peoples point of view, and I like this
mediam as one hear's from the horses mouth so to speak. Much of
what I see posted about what a Christian is, or is not, seems quite
alien to me.
I would like to hear from Native American's about their beliefs,
living in England all I know at the moment is gleened from
Hollywood, therefore I know less than nothing.
Any group/cult/belief/non-belief system is of interest, but I would
prefer to hear from people who can speak from personal experience.
I look forward to some great debates.
Norman
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|From: Brian Shreve
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 18 Jan 97 14:23:10
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MB> ... If we honor the rights of gays then everyone
MB> else will want rights too!
Such as womans rights? (grin)
Brian
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|From: Brian Shreve
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: BAR Letter to the editor
|Date: 18 Jan 97 14:25:30
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Hello Marilyn,
MB> The same thought occurred to me when I read about all those sites
MB> that are being excavated. I'm still thinking about possibly going
MB> on a dig when I retire and don't have to take time away from work
Perhaps I'm just an old romantic, or dissilusionists, or what-ever, but
I find something just not right with the excavation of sites thought to
hold treasures of the past, or how people were buried, and everything else
"excavation" could possibly mean.
We don't want someone to go digging around in our loved ones grave site
do we, purposefully or random. Indian lore says vehemently that we leave
these areas alone, it's holy land. The ancients, pharoahs, Egyptians,
actually have curses to those who invade burial sites of their dead.
Well, I'm against it, but I sure aint got the power or the will to tell
someone else not to do it...guess that makes it an oxymoron for some, being
against something, yet being "it's your choice to make".
Brian
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|From: Brian Shreve
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: FAT PEOPLE
|Date: 18 Jan 97 14:38:06
EID:7a14 223274c0
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REPLY: 1:105/302.666 0cfcbae7
MB> No, Robert. He was ragging on them about their daughter's
MB> weight, which is definitely something they have little (if
MB> any) control over.
If this is fact, then it must be fact that homosexuality is not controllable
either. If it's in the genes, it must be ok, and should
not be a social stigma.
BTW, & FWIW, I believe you're right, and believe I'm right about
most cases of homosexuality is in the genes, and not a choice.
(And nope, I'm not fat or gay or bisexual. I'm just a mental case.
Brian
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