God Damned Fundies!
|From: Damien Wellman
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Native Americans
|Date: 26 Jan 97 20:55:04
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IF Dan = Ceppa THEN Judith Bandsma ELSE Native Americans
DC> As much as age is not supposed to be a factor, maturity is
DC> moreso. Few, if any, that have posted here at about 17 or
DC> younger have lasted long. Perhaps we should start a Junior
DC> Holysmoke Echo to give the rug-rats a running start!
I'm not sure when Quentin Fai started posting, but I know I'm 18 next month
and I've been here for 'bout a year and a half. Of course, that's probably
only because I don't get offended easily over echomail, e-mail, or news-
groups.
... Tasty garbage or eternal bile, which for you? - Rev. Quentin Fai
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Todds
|Date: 21 Jan 97 08:50:00
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-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to David Rice <=-
>GTP> And he's too ashamed to show his face, because he
>GTP> knows we are right. BTW, I have had a
>GTP> standing invitation to all deities to come to
>GTP> dinner at my house. Now reservation necessary, but
>GTP> it risks having to eat Wild's cooking.
FR> Some day we're going to have to drive up for dinner at
FR> the Todds' place. I want fried onions with whatever
FR> they feed us.
You want onions with your NOODLES? I'm sure that could
be aranged. I want mustard on mine.
... Religious error: (A)tone (R)epent (K)ill A Non-Christian
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAVE HAMILTON
|Sub: Coward!
|Date: 22 Jan 97 06:21:00
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-=> Quoting Dave Hamilton to David Rice <=-
>>> DH> "atheism /n. the theory or belief that God[sic]
>>> DH> does not exist."
>>JH> THAT is in the OED?
>>JH> Sounds more like Merriam Webster's.
>DR> I find it highly unlikely that OED said the above.
DH> That is exactly what it says, and all of it.
How utterly astonishing. Websters' I would expect to
be wrong, but not Oxford's English.
I went and looked it up. The Oxford English Dictionary
(OED) defines "atheist" as "One who denies the existance
of god or gods. Previous: Deist. a'theism. One who denies
the existance of god or gods." (Why it was redundant I do
not know).
Therefore you must have a cheap, off-brand OED.
... "Because God told me." -- Jesse Christ Jones (hearing voices again)
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Mustard Bath!
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:21:00
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-=> Quoting David Rice to Fredric Rice <=-
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to David Rice <=-
>>FR> What did you pay for the 115vac inverter?
>DR> The 120 watt one cost about US$60.00 at West Marine.
>DR> I then purchased a 300 watt one for about US$180.00
>DR> and gave the first one to Lyndette.
I misspoke. The 120 watt cost US$50 and the 300 watt
cost US$100. These are quasi-sine-wave inverters,
which means they use tiny square waves patterned to
look like a sine wave: they will produce a loud buzz
on most audio equipment.
... "Swaggart is no con man. He is a former televangelist!" - Staal
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: GWENNY THE POOH
|Sub: cheese whiz
|Date: 21 Jan 97 10:03:00
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-=> Quoting Gwenny The Pooh to David Rice <=-
>DR> ONLY the god Chaos?! That's remarkable. Around my place
>DR> the god Discord shows up now and then, even though he is
>DR> never invited. Then there's Lilith, who shows up once
>DR> or twice a night.
GTP> Well, there is some evidence that Coyote, Eris, and
GTP> Loki have a time-share condo in the same place (on
GTP> another continuum) as our livingroom. I'm thinking
GTP> of inviting them all to take a trip to Focus on the
GTP> Phallus.
Somehow these Gods don't strike me as being the Promise
Keepers type (Promise Keepers = Focus on the Phallus).
Colorado is turning into another Southern California. What
are you doing about it? (Dynamite is only a quick fix to
the real problem.)
... "Bother, Kembosabe" said Pooh as he scalped his latest victim.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: ALL
|Sub: MAYBE A Change In Plans
|Date: 21 Jan 97 11:48:00
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Sunday Johann stoped by my boat and mentioned that
he wants to move his boat to Florida this year,
starting in April (if his spouse lets him). The trip
would last aproximately three months. The route would
be down Mexico, to Cabo San Lucas, Puerto Vallarta,
to Costa Rica, through Panama canal, up to the
Caymens, then around Cuba to Florida. He wants to do
this in his 55-foot Fleming power boat. He asked me
if I "would like to go along" and stay with the boat
the entire three months while he flys back and forth.
I would fly back to California from Florida in July.
Three months in quasi-exodic ports where I can spend
a week at a time alone as if the boat were mine? And
he asked me if I would somehow suffer through the
sun, leasure, parties, naked women, fishing, and
snorkling?! You bet. This boat has a huge bedroom,
microwave oven, fullsize refridgerator, telephone,
GPS, TV, VCR, CD player, air-conditioning, ice maker,
water maker, hot fresh-water showers. . . .
That means putting off the trip on my boat to Tahiti
until September or October, 1997. That means I could
go to Dragonfest '97 and see Colorado one more time,
and I'll be tanned, taut, and sun-bleached at the
time (i.e. the women at Dragonfest would therefore
find me even more irresistable than usual).
=IF= this Florida trip is okayed by this guy's
spouse, I'll send status reports electronically to
Fredric Rice and I'll ask him to post them to
HOLYSMOKE and Internet.
At the end of October the "Baja Ha Ha '97" starts.
This is a sailing "race" / cruise / party that starts
from San Francisco down to Cabo San Lucas. It stops
off at San Diego for a day or two, then enters Mexico
at Encinada. Last year there were nearly 200 boats
entered in the event. After reaching Cabo San Lucas
the event is over, but many boats continue on to the
Marquesas, where I wish to go. Therefor I'll probably
enter the Baja Ha Ha this year if I go to Florida in
April.
While I do not want a crew member along on my trip to
Tahiti, it would not hurt to have someone along
during the Baja Ha Ha. That person would sail down
with me and then catch a bus or fly back to
California. That person would pay her ot his expenses
(I cannot afford the fare to send her or him back).
Conversely, if the power boat owner's spouse does not
let him take his boat to Florida, I will be shoving
off to the Marquesas on time, the first or second
week of April 1997.
... Rush Limbaugh: Every Republican homosexual's dream date!
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sav
|Date: 23 Jan 97 04:01:03
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 16 Jan 97, Gwenny the Pooh was discussing "Why do you NEED to be sav"
with
Jim Staal.
Hi Gwenny :)
GtP> I've had a number of men express opinions to the contrary, however,
GtP> you will never have the opportunity to find out first hand exactly
what
GtP> it is that makes me "divine".
You look like him?
Paul
... MuNuQ, said Gwenny as she realized she couldn't speak Klingon.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: feed
|Date: 26 Jan 97 13:10:26
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Al Schroeder, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Dan
Ceppa
DC> metals. They don't do it often, but they usually do it on
DC> my days off and this place shakes!
AS> Right when you're making a souffle, right?
DC> It realy doesn't matter. After all, if I was and it fell,
DC> there's a category of souffle's that are supposed to fall!
DC> I just rename it, like any good cook would do with a tastey
DC> dish. And, if it isn't tastey, _then_ I blame it on the
DC> metal manufacturing plant!
AS> Ah, a built in scapegoat! That works!
Not wishing to flog an extinct equine, AL, but you do know the
etomology of the term "scapegoat" don't you?
... Accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior? That'd be really selfish!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: J.J. needs to be Hitt
|Date: 26 Jan 97 13:10:29
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Al Schroeder, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to David
Worrell
DW>> As far as I'm aware, no one has even come close to destroying the
DW>> world.
AS> I'm old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, Dave.
DW> Still not enough to destroy the world, Al. All human life, maybe, but
DW> the world would go on.
DW> I'm not surprised, though, that a Christian equates human society with
DW> the world.
AS> But a nuclear winter
"Pop!" goes the psychology.
I just love how a *very* hypothetical, complex and convoluted
scenario gets immediate acceptance into popular culture.
Not meaning to be too nasty this windy winter morn, Al. But
beyond the recitation of Carl Sagan's popularization; do you
know what the scientific community has to say of the "nuclear
winter" scenario?
And if you think for a femtosecond that I'm going to say
anything about the Sears Nuclear Winter Fashions Catalog, you'd
probably be right.
AS> would kill off most animal life and a good deal
AS> of the plant life, also.
So? Hypervelocity bolide impacts do that as well. In fact, if
it weren't for those, we, very likely, would not be here.
A little disaster is good for the planet.
AS> It wouldn't extinguish life. But it would be
AS> a while before it bounced back.
And, THIS (globally and nonanthropically-speaking) is a "bad
thing"?
AS> If it's not the end of the world, it'll do till the real things
AS> comes along.
I suggest that you read S.J. Gould's latest tome entitled "Full
House". Alga, bacteria and protists wouldn't be affected in
the least and they are the dominant Terran lifeform (in both
duration and sheer number).
A humbling read, to say the least. Fascinating, to say a tad
more.
... Essexibasalt...A seductive dark lava.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 26 Jan 97 13:10:32
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Al Schroeder, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Roger
Hunter
AS> "Okay, here are two doors. One leads to a smorgasboard of delicious
AS> food, and beautiful music, and fine books, and pretty ladies. The
AS> other leads you to a sheer dropoff and you will die, horribly, falling
AS> twenty stories.
AS> "Your choice."
RH> And you must choose one or the other.
AS> Yep.
RH> There goes your "free will", Al.
AS> One chooses to be married or not married. Does it negate one's free
AS> will?
If it's carried out at the business end of a 12 gauge, it is.
... Fiddle: Friction of a horse's tail on a cat's entrails.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Lee Woofenden
|Sub: NOT why don't we see God.
|Date: 26 Jan 97 13:10:36
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Lee Woofenden, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to David
Rice
DR> Don't "usually?!" Since when has anyone seen gods,
DR> "non-usually" or otherwise?
LW> You reject all the eye-witness accounts, so there's not much point in
LW> discussing it.
Quick. Without looking again, what is the topic of this message?
... "Blinders make the darkness easier to see." -Styx Allum
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: promisekritters
|Date: 19 Jan 97 05:02:57
EID:6c60 22332840
Curtis Johnson, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Fredric Rice
CJ> Ken Wiens, who advocated executing raped girls who'd
CJ> had an abortion--though the example he'd agreed about was that
CJ> they'd reached the age of puberty, i.e., a ripe old twelve years.
CJ> On RIME-RELIGION, he's been ranting about how Star Trek,
CJ> "Jesus Christ Superstar," and "Silence of the Lambs" were
CJ> anti-Christian.
CJ> And, believe it or not, he said he'd just applied for a job
CJ> with Microsoft.
As what? Doorstop or wastepaper basket?
... Nothing wrong with him than an autopsy wouldn't fix.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Off the ropes
|Date: 25 Jan 97 06:07:04
EID:4eee 223930e0
Mimi Milstein, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
MM> Hello Marty!
MM> Marty Leipzig wrote in a message to Andrew Masten:
AM> Rome was technologically advanced in its time also. But, when
AM> its moral fiber collasped, so did the empire.
ML> Truth be told (here's something refreshing for you, Drew),
ML> it was probably lead poisoning that lead to the maladies of Rome.
MM> Are you referring to lead used in water pipes, Marty - or to the
MM> custom of redwine with a dash of lead as a taste improver?
To both, actually. And their penchant for cerrusite as a
pessary and adornment via cosmetics (lead carbonate isn't at
all stingy with donating a certain ion in an acidic condition).
MM> Both theories have been presented, but I don't know how valid
MM> they are. One tends to think the more wealthy classes would have
MM> been most affected, in either case, and that the ordinary poor
MM> salt-of-the-earth stock would have had little access to wine
MM> and piped-in water.
Ah, the old trickle-down theory at work again...
... "Dave. My mind. It's going. Did you know the Earth is 6,000 yrs old?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Brawley's Bait Shop
|Date: 25 Jan 97 06:13:38
EID:639c 223931a0
Ed Mills, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to John Brawley
EM> 13 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from John Brawley to Rod Swift:
RS> John Brawley's Quantum BSE-infected Butcher Shop :)
JB> Define "BSE," please?
EM>
EM> Bovine something-or-other encephalopathy (mad cow disease).
Bovine spongioforme encephalaisas. Hell, even a bovine-denied
rocknocker knows this...
... He was as tough as a two dollar steak
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: WiCCA
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:11:55
EID:abcb 22399160
Martin Goldberg, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
ML> "Next on page 1024, 'the Exploded Cat'".)
MG> Sounds OK to me. do they do rabbits?
Of course. Rabbits are merely cats without an attitude.
... "Billy, this is no time to floss."- Tom, "Godzilla vs. Megalon"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: truth
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:12:43
EID:c0d2 22399180
Rick Mcfarlane, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Rick Mcfarlane <=-
RM> Good morning, Marty.
AS> I don't
AS> paint myself blue and leap naked or near-naked into battle, like my
AS> Celt, English, or Germanic ancestors did.
RM> Why not?
ML> It is not honorable to slay one's enemies whilst they're
ML> convulsed in laughter.
RM> But when it comes down to a choice between honour and a damn effective
RM> battle tactic, which one do you think the average Celt would go for?
I wasn't thinking about the average Celt; merely the average
response to Al's nudidity in battle...
RM> Take care.
And UNSECO and WHO...
... Evolution is observable, predictable & falsifiable. Creationism ain't.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Becke the Slave
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:26:15
EID:47d0 223a3340
George Mooth, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Becke
Boyer
GM> There is none so blind as he who will not see.
Nope. There are none so blind as those who see what they
believe.
... "Blinders make the darkness easier to see." -Styx Allum
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:16:28
EID:c21d 22399200
Jim Staal, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Martin
Goldberg
JS> On (16 Jan 97) Martin Goldberg wrote to Jim Staal...
MG> Re: Your discussion of the "gleeps".
MG> If you cna find one, get the 1996 Far Side Calendar by Jim Larsen (the
MG> one that you pull off each successive day) and look at July 8.
JS> OK, I'll see if someone locally has one.
Put a crowbar in your fucking wallet and buy one, you parasite.
... A leap year is never a good sheep year.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: FREEDOM AND LIFE
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:33:37
EID:dc63 22399420
Roger Hunter, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
-=> Quoting Marty Leipzig to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> Never mind Heisenburg; he doesn't count here.
ML> Well, *maybe* he does and *maybe* he doesn't...
RH> Yes, I know. It's hard to be certain...
I used to think so; but now I'm not so sure...
... Diplomacy: the delicate weapon of the civilized warrior.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:19:07
EID:796e 22399260
Patriot, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Fredric
Rice
Pa> And if you do your homework, you will discover most of the foundign
Pa> father of the USA, were Christians..
Fleeing from Christian tyranny.
... Acting without thinking is like shooting without aiming.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: God: Biggest Abortionist
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:33:55
EID:5378 22399420
Ed Mills, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Jim Staal
RS> Yes, isn't it. Every fertilised egg that does not gain uterine
RS> wall implantation, and hence is aborted, is the fault of your
RS> God.
JS> Fault of sinful man and his 'science'.
EM> "bullshit" sniparoo.
EM> I was unaware that human reproduction was designed and implemented
EM> by human science.
EM>
EM> But how did we reproduce before we had scientists, then?
You weren't.
You were just fucked.
... Duty is what one expects from others.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Walking on water
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:21:38
EID:8b8c 223992a0
Ed Mills, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Jan deBoer
EM> 18 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Jan deBoer to Ed Mills:
Jd> On 16 Jan 97 22:07:12 Ed Mills wrote to Jan deBoer...
EM> This Dutch talk is really turning me on. I'm a recovering
EM> wooden-shoe fetishist, y'know. :)
Jd> Recovering??..........slivers?
Jd> Mama mia, Itsa Gouda Italiana cheesa!
EM>
EM> It wasn't Dutch? It sure sounded like it.
EM>
EM> What's that smell? F-16 exhaust fumes again?
MiG-31 Foxbat on full-stick afterburner, more like.
... A hen who lays an egg cackles as if it was an asteroid.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: John Musselwhite
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:22:54
EID:a98e 223992c0
John Musselwhite, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
JM> Hi Marty!
JM>
JM> On 11 Jan 97 08:11:34, Marty Leipzig penned the following to Gwenny
JM> the Pooh re: Cheese Whiz
KB> Yes, but we don't need to eat flesh. You can live a perfectly
KB> happy life as a vegetarian.
ML>
GtP> Maybe YOU can, I can't. Seriously, I can't get all the chemicals I
GtP> need from legumes (besides the fact they make me ill). So it's meat
GtP> or be miserable for me.
JM>
JM> Meat I could give up I think...
A closet vegan..I thought so...
JM> as long as Doritos continues to
JM> make Zesty Cheese Taco Chips! They're the world's most perfect
JM> simulated food, dontchaknow!
Fat>=0. In fact, fat>20 gm/serving. Mas verboten for yours
truly.
ML> My diagnosis of bilateral evagenous diverticulitis has, sadly,
ML> removed me from the bovine, porcine and ovine predator list.
JM>
JM> I can see you now... stalking that can of Metamucil with a
JM> Kalishnikov poised in case it charges you! Beware of the wild
JM> fibre!
You, sir, have a mean streak a parsec wide.
ML> I must now make content with the killing of the occasional
ML> domesticated barnyard fowl; eviscerating and excoriating it
ML> and eating it's flesh after being charred on an open mesquite
ML> fire.
JM>
JM> Yuck... ever been to a chicken ranch, Marty?
Yeah. you bet. And Mustang Ranch as well...oh..never mind...
JM> (Not the Nevada
JM> variety either!) I'd eat (yuck!) FISH before I'd eat chicken...
JM> and I have a general rule against eating things with a blood
JM> temperature lower than my own!
That's why I'd always eat a porterhouse (64 oz., thanks), blood
rare...
Now, I have to content myself with shark, swordfish, shrimp
(cheaper than hamburger [Eat your heart out, Canada!]) and free
highway chicken.
JM>
JM> Mind you, there are some things that smell like fish and taste like
JM> chicken, but we won't go into that...
The 5 for a dollar special at Taco Bell?
ML> I'd kill for a 64 oz. porterhouse, blood rare. Unfortunately,
ML> it'd probably return the favor.
JM>
JM> Stick to just the Porter... the hops have medicinal value
JM> unrecognized by modern science...
There MUST be a God...porter, ale, stout and bourbon are ALL
fat free.
ML> Oh, and I take gobs of vitamins, minerals and amino acids.
JM>
JM> Ye Gods! Alternative medicines? B-})
Mere holdovers from my wrestling days. Hell, if 15000 mcg a day
are good, 1500000 mcg/d MUST be great.
ML> I wish they made them in beef flavor though...
JM>
JM> They do... they're called "Oxo cubes". Add two tabs of Kyolic
JM> garlic every day and you'll be pouring single malt on that
JM> searing hunk of bovine muscle tissue in no time!
Do not taunt serious geologist...
JM>
JM> BTW, By FAR the best use for Scotch is as a meat tenderizer.
JM> You'll like it much better than MSG and the mesquite takes away
JM> that "yellow snow" odour.
Nothing, short of oxalic acid, does that. I save the aroma of
scotch for when I polish the old wingtips...
ML> ... Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.
JM>
JM> With their captors coming in a close second... B-})
And the raptors close behind...
... "Some days it just doesn't pay to chew through the leather straps."
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: truth
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:35:21
EID:0e14 22399460
Sally Springett, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
AS> I don't paint myself blue and leap naked or near-naked into
AS> battle, like my Celt, English, or Germanic ancestors did.
RM> Why not?
ML> It is not honorable to slay one's enemies whilst they're
ML> convulsed in laughter.
SS> Honorable, schmonerable -- it's _efficient_.
But so cheesy...caving in crania and administering random
kicks to groins and breadbaskets whilst they're snickering in
derision...
... "Coor's Light" is a redundancy.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Look Who is Insulted?
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:40:46
EID:88f3 22399500
David Worrell, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Sue
Armstrong
DW> 09 Jan 97 10:22, Sue Armstrong wrote to Katherine Wintersnight:
SA> Yeesh. Well, we're getting ours - payback for all the nice,
SA> unnaturally warm weather we've been having. It's now blizzarding
SA> outside, and it's expected that we'll have almost 2 feet of snow by
SA> the time it's over. :(
DW> Remember how I said Canadians couldn't even do winter right?
DW> The high here Tuesday is supposed to be in the low 60's. Nyah! :)
Yeah. But here in Texas, we SHOOT the tornados.
... Faster & faster..'till the thrill of speed overcomes fear of death!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: goodbye
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:43:21
EID:15c2 22399560
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
-> On 17 Jan 97 23:57:13, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> GYMNOSPERMS! GYMNOSPERMS! EXPOSE HIS SEED!
DC> GOYHIM! GOYHIM! CIRCUMCISE HIM!
ML> GYPSUM! GYPSUM! PLASTER HIM!
DC> GRASS! GRASS! SMOKE'M!
ML> GAROU! GAROU! MOON HIM!
DC> GEESE! GEESE! GOOSE HIM!
ML> GROUSE! GROUSE! BITCHIN'
DC> GOOD! GOOD! GIVE HIM THAT!
ML> GOD! GOD! GIVE 'EM THAT INSTEAD!
DC> GADS! GADS! FLY HIM!
GOADS! GOADS! PROVOKE HIM!
... Docs? Last time I went, I got nasty tasting medicine.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Warring Christanic Factions
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:44:46
EID:d463 22399580
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Ed Mills
-> On 17 Jan 97 17:32:17, Ed Mills got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> straight forward, however, I'm finally able to use BW
DC> again as my OLR.
EM> I has never used anything else. Have got no experience to
EM> compare. Is Blue Wave more or less complicated? Does it work
EM> with any terminal program?
DC> BW is pretty easy to set up and use. It's got some great
DC> features for saving messages, searching, sorting, etc.
DC> However, you need to convert your incoming mail into a packet
DC> that BW can handle. It can use QWK packets, but it has more
DC> enhanced features in BW format.
DC> I'm using OMX to convert the PKT files to BW format and back
DC> for the replies.
Do you then gesture hypnotically and call for the One, True Packet?
(Sheesh...#342 of 1728...remind me to go to the North Sea for a
core run...)
... Do radio atheists say "Send in your money & be saved?"
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:46:47
EID:896f 223995c0
Don Martin, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
DM> Marty Leipzig said "Reading Incomprehension" to Don Martin, adding:
NC> You actually take this echo serious enough to use a spell
NC> checker!! You are are a sick puppy then aren't you!
DM>
CJ> You mean you don't take your cause seriously enough to make
CJ> it appear that it's supported by intellectually competent people?
DM>
DM> Darn! Wish I'd said that!
ML>
ML> You will, Herr Martin, you will...
DM>
DM> As you just did--I think the original of _that_ line was said to
DM> Milton Berle about 40 years ago, but I cannot remember by whom.
DM>
DM> It is a shame to let good things go to waste.
ML>
ML> Of course, of course. It was an Oscar Wildean retort to
ML> Whistler.
DM>
DM> You're sure it wasn't Sir Roger de Coverly to Colly Cibber,
DM> first?
Definitely. Or possibly maybe.
DM> Or Shakespeare to Sir Francis Bacon?
Perchance?
DM> These things are like
DM> reincarnation; once they begin there is no end to them.
Like a fundy at a tent revival...
... "You are flawed and imperfect. You are guilty of error!" Kirk to Nomad
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: NEVER BE GODLY
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:52:37
EID:6463 22399680
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Katherine
Wintersnight
-> On 17 Jan 97 17:16:00, Katherine Wintersnight got back to Gwenny The
Pooh
GTP>DC> DC>> You seem pretty brassiere of yourself.
GTP>DC> KW>> That's a bra'd indictment.
GTP>DC>> Well, Maiden, you are holding to Form.
GTP>KW> You wouldn't want to say that I was strapped for a reply. Only if
it
DC> was GTP>KW> a long line .
GTP>Of corset.
KW> Only if I boned for it.
DC> Now you are underwiring this list.
Oh, Bali shwert. Such an uplifting riposte.
... Do something unusual today. Pay my phone bill.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: You think you have it rough?
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:44:12
EID:b9c6 223a3580
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
-> On 17 Jan 97 23:58:47, Marty Leipzig got back to Dan Ceppa
ML> Barely. But I found my clothes the next day...
DC> Who was wearing them?
ML> A previously Polar bare...
DC>
DC> I prefer car-she-sian coordinates.
You gonna planar?
ML> I only accept free will gifts of 80, 90 and 101 proof.
DC> OK, can you break a 151?
ML> It gives me fifths to try...
DC> Ok, have this over of
DC> 50.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
DC> 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
DC> 33
I've third this one before.
... "Oh, baster, said Pooh, remarking on Mary's method of insemination.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:46:22
EID:7ff9 223a35c0
Rod Swift, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
RS> On 10-12-96 at 09:44, MARTY LEIPZIG wrote to ALL:
ML> JS> BTW, Me n' the Lovely Wilbur [tm] have been an item for 32 years.
30
ML> JS> within the binds of holy matrimony. She/we love it.
ML> Looks like Guinness has a new entrant in the Masochism/Sadomasochism
ML> catagory.
RS> I thought you were going to comment on the 2 missing years :)
Nope. I went for the obvious 30.
RS> Rod "...I can hear Jim's muffled screams as the Lovely Wilbur
RS> gets out the branding iron for 'Mr Ed' Jim again" Swift :)
"Wilburrr...can I have my testicles tonight?"
... Anyone can walk on water, just know where the rocks are.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:49:51
EID:b767 223a3620
Lynda Bustilloz, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
LB> Don and Marty were killing time yakking about My Summer Weekend:
RS> He needs some nice gouda to go with his w(h)ine, Dan. :) :)
RS> And I'm sure you're the type of man who is willing to take that
RS> gouda and feed it to Jimmy....
LB> But...I thought atheist didn't DO any gouda things!
DM> For the mozarella part, no.
ML> And for that, God, edamed'em to hell...
LB> Havarti evidence of that?
It's feta'd to happen.
... 50th Rule of Creationism: Tell 'em they're evil and going to Hell!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: #holysmoke
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:50:49
EID:be53 223a3640
Lynda Bustilloz, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
LB> Katherine and Marty were killing time yakking about #holysmoke:
KW> Not everyone goes for the cat motif anyway--we have a werewolf as
KW> well.
ML> And the occasional Brontosaur.
LB> VERY occasional.
LB> Wherethehell ya been?
Lately, the North Sea. Stopped in Glasgow for an afternoon and
wasted an entire week.
... IT AUTOMATICALLY HOMES IN ON THE NEAREST PLACE OF WORSHIP.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:51:53
EID:c42a 223a3660
Lynda Bustilloz, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
LB> Al and Marty were killing time yakking about Bacteria and Evolution.:
ML> Al Schroeder, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
ML> Dan Ceppa
AS> Yeah, but He judges about the "little bit". We're not sure (at this
AS> point) whether he's a lenient judge or a strict one.
DC> Having seen how he treats others via his own "written word",
DC> he's a pety despot.
AS> Who incarnated Himself as one of His subjects and endured a trial and
AS> execution by them...for them?
ML> Sheesh...talk about melodramatic.
LB> You never call! You never write! You just don't care!
LB> I spent 3 DAYS in labor and THIS is the thanks I get?!
"And you, always going out drinking wine and hanging around
with your scuzzy fisherman buddies. When the hell are you going
to get off your ass and get a job?"
... An alcoholic: A person who drinks more than his physician
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: native americans
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:53:24
EID:b788 223a36a0
Curtis Johnson, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
DC>> You protest too much. Got any evidence that that American Indians
DC>> invented the wheel?
ML>
DC>> I'll give you the quasi-written language.
CJ>> Without a domesticated "beast of burden," of what use
CJ>> would a wheel have been?
ML> They made for dandy toys and even calanders; ask any Aztec.
CJ> Exactly. Perhaps there were good situational reasons why
CJ> that geometric form was never used for transportation.
Wheels don't work terribly well in jungles.
CJ> Cortez, et al. were astonished that "Mexico City" (however
CJ> it was spelled) was larger than any European city of the time.
Amazing how things have devolved.
... Couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery. (Common in Australia.)
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: goodbye! goodbye! n
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:54:30
EID:f8f8 223a36c0
Curtis Johnson, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
SM>>> "GUARDS!! GUARDS!! AFTER HIM!!" [d&rg]
JH>>> GOURDS! GOURDS! SQUASH HIM!
DC>>> GARRANDS! GARRANDS! SHOOT HIM!
ML>>> GERUNDS! GERUNDS! DO HIM!
EV>>> GROUNDS! GROUND! FILTER THEM!
ML>>> GROINS! GROINS! KNEE HIM!
JH>>> GOADS! GOADS! POKE HIM!
ML>>> GOATS! GOATS! RAM HIM!
DC>>> GROATS, GROATS, BOIL HIM!
ML>>> GOITERS! GOITERS! ENLARGE HIM!
DC>>> GROLIERS! GROLIERS! CATALOG HIM!
ML>>> GONIOMETERS! GONIOMETERS! ANGLE HIM!
EM>>> GaAsFETS! GaAsFETS! AMPLIFY HIM!
RV>>> GROWLER! GROWLER! SHORT-CIRCUITED HIM!
CJ>>> GOPHERS! GOPHERS! FTP HIM!
KW>>> GALACTOPHORE! GALACTOPHORE! MILK HIM!
cj>>> GALACTOSE! GALACTOSE! RUN HIM!
FR>> GLUCOSE! GLUCOSE! GLAZE HIM!
CJ>> GRACKLES! GRACKLES! PECK HIM!
ML> GRUNIONS! GRUINIONS! BEACH HIM!
CJ> GADS! GADS! ZOOK HIM!
GONIATITES! GONIATITES! SHELL HIM!
... Bang! goes the kanga off the bonnet of the van.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Add BW
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:55:36
EID:1a11 223a36e0
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
DC> Marty, I figured you may like to see this info:
DC> * Originally Re: Add BW
DC> * Original Area: Offline Echo Support
DC> Now that George is back to issuing registrations and the echo has two
DC> moderators, it is back to BW support (instead of the bickering and
DC> fighting it was doing when there was no moderator in sight).
10,000 Shermans, Dan (many tanks).
... "Hey - he invented the hangover!"- Crow, "Teenage Caveman"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Anthropic asininities.
|Date: 26 Jan 97 06:56:30
EID:7290 223a3700
Andrew Masten, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marty
Leipzig
ML> And you call your belief "religion".
AM> No, you do.
ML> Indeed. Pray, what do you call a belief and homage to the
ML> supernatural? Aardvarkism?
AM>
AM> I call it a covenant relationship with God.
I call it delusional behaviour.
AM> Religion is man
AM> striving through ritual and formula to appease God(s).
"Bow and scrape, lowly commoner. Lo, I am a jealous God and need to
be appeased."
You worship a thug and bully.
ML> One can only imagine what you believe causes profound deafness.
AM> You have a cruel and hard heart Marty.
ML> Nope, my recent spate of EKG's provide evidence otherwise.
ML> Although I can, at times, be very cruel to the ignorant and
ML> quite hard of hearing myself (PSH of over 95%).
ML> At least I don't pray for the restoration of my hearing, I
ML> instead depend on audiologists and neurologists.
ML> So there.
AM>
AM> I pray for my daughters restoration, but not in leiu of medical
AM> treatment.
Do you also trill at her? It's probably much more effacacious
than praying and she might just be amused.
AM> She wears hearing aids. My wife and I sign.
Doesn't anyone just talk anymore?
AM> She's had over
AM> a quarter million dollars of medical treatment for other maladys.
On whose nickel?
ML> Wrong again, Andy. Neutrinos are evidenced by experimentation.
ML> Perhaps you should read up on what you're trying, however
ML> vainly, to attack.
AM>
AM> By inference, not direct observation.
ML> No, Andy, you are simply WRONG. By direct observation of the
ML> effect of neutrinos with matter. Physical evidence of
ML> existence.
AM>
AM> What is observed is electrons being dislodged by what is thought (or
AM> believed) to be nuetrinos. No one has directly observed nuetrinos.
By directly observed evidence.
You ever see the core of the Earth? If it's never been
observed, by your illogic, then it must not exist.
Chowderhead.
AM> Its hypothesis is by inference.
Nope. It is by observation of physical evidence.
AM> Just as design can be
AM> deduced by inference.
ML> Wrong yet again. You assign something natural to the
ML> supernatural. That is not only wishful (hardly scientific)
AM> Repeatedly saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
No, that is true; and unnecessary. You do that quite well all
by yourself.
AM> First, my
AM> conclusions of how we arrived here are not scientific.
Whoa! Now *there's* a newsflash.
AM> I never
AM> claimed they were. They are philisophic, and theologic.
In other words, bullshit.
AM> However, I
AM> support my philsophic conclusions on scientific facts as much as
AM> possible.
And you fail; utterly and miserably.
ML> thinking; it is not thinking at all, just mere belief. See Hume
ML> again as he destroys Paley's "A watch implies a watchmaker." We
ML> are familiar with the causal links from watchmaker to watch,
ML> but it is fallacious to extend it to the universe (we have no
ML> experience in building universes) and this causality of watch to
ML> watchmaker is flawed as a watch is neither an organic entity
ML> (i.e., discard "designed" animals) nor is it natural (i.e., it is
ML> man-made, therefore discard everything else in the universe not
ML> made by man). Leaves your argument as before, a rather empty
ML> subset of nothing.
AM>
AM> Your right Marty,
Ah. The beginnings of learning.
AM> we have no experience building universes. We do
AM> know that there was a time when there was no universe. Prior to
AM> that event, there was no time or the laws of physics.
There was what we call "nothing".
AM> Whatever
AM> forces instigated the event of the universe was or is outside of
AM> the laws we are confined to.
Not necessarily. Perhaps for this universe to exist, there were
pre-existing conditions (from where? Unknown.) that precluded any
other set of circumstances to exist. Of course, this is just my
idle speculation; although it does require exactly less than
one God.
AM> Our experience with watchmakers is irrelevent. Imagine that no one
AM> had seen a watch ever before and one suddenly appears in a lab. Do
AM> you think they would have difficulty discerning if it was made by
AM> design or not?
Nope. Man-made objects such as the intricate machinery of a
watch is obviously an artifact.
AM> After all, if biological things can evolve and
AM> become more complicated, why can't non-living matter evolve?
Because of the constraints of the laws of physics and
chemistry.
AM> Do the
AM> laws of physics care whether living or non-living matter becomes
AM> more complicated?
Stuff your anthropomorphosizing, Drew. The laws of physics and
chemistry don't "care"; they exist.
AM> The laws of physics allow for the existence of
AM> computers, couldn't they have evolved just as easily. Slowly over
AM> millions of years of course, just a few molecules of silicon at a
AM> time.
Nope. Evolution is a biological function, by definition;
although it's typically not understood as such and misused by
those who do not have this understanding.
AM> I don't think its impossible that the universe exploded out of a
AM> singularity at just the right velocity so galaxies and solar
AM> systems formed.
Bravo for your keen grasp of the obvious. Jeers at your anthropic
"cart before the horse" plaint.
ML> Why not? That's exactly what happened.
AM> As I said, I don't think its impossible, its what caused this event
AM> that we differ.
You, like your nescient forbears, assign all the current
unknowns to a God(s). As ridiculous as it was to the ancients,
it's even more preposterous now.
ML> You have to assign the event to some unevidenced supernatural.
ML> Ockham's razor decapitates you.
AM> You assign the event to some unevidenced natural cause. How (other
AM> than in your own mind) is that superior?
Quantum vacuum fluctuations are quite evidenced.
AM> Logical inference Marty. An event that caused the laws of physics to
AM> exist, must inherently be outside said laws.
Wrong. That's only one possible set of circumstances. Perhaps
the laws of physics are the same in every possible universe
(provide evidence otherwise) or cannot be different. It's entirely
possible, however improbable.
*POOF* goes your illogical inference.
AM> Stuff your belief system that says mechanistic forces alone
AM> suffice to turn random matter into complicated sentinent beings.
ML> A. There is nothing other than mechanistic forces in a natural
ML> universe. Provide evidence otherwise.
AM> There's no indication that such forces are capable of creating
AM> themselves.
ML> There's no evidence that they're not. Couple that with the fact
ML> that they do exist and my contention has one quite greater plus
ML> than yours; it requires exactly less than one God, supernatural
ML> occurrence or miracle.
AM> Which would be a greater miracle. If the faces on Mount Rushmore
AM> were created by design or by natural forces blowing against the
AM> rock?
Neither. They were created obviously by design (by Gutzam
Borglum in the Cretaceous Harny Peak Granite); no gods necessary.
AM> The fact we know there by design removes our surprise and
AM> explains it well. My contention that were here by design removes
AM> our surprise that were here.
Odd. The only thing that surprises me is that such
benightedness as yours exists.
AM> Besides, miracles are relative.
"Relative"? Since when is the term "relative" a synonym for
"bullshit"?
AM> To an
AM> agency that created the universe and physical laws its no miracle
AM> at all.
Exactly; it's no miracle at all that it's all natural and sans
God.
ML> You might want to get some iodine for that razor burn, Drew.
ML> B. Matter is not "random", but quite ordered by the laws of
ML> chemistry and physics.
AM> Just like it was planned.
ML> Evidence for this? There is none, as the way the laws of
ML> physics and chemistry operate in this universe is one of but
ML> myriad possibilities. If the conditions and parameters at
ML> time=0 were different, so would the universal outcome.
AM> Thats right. And when you consider all the infinite permutations
AM> that would exclude us being here you have to ask yourself just one
AM> question. Do you feel lucky?
Not really. If the initial conditions were different, the outcome
would have been quite different.
But I'm reasonably certain that if other civilizations exist,
that there'd still be nescient creatures that would have to
invent a cosmic overseer; someone to keep them all warm and
snuggly and safe from the bad, old, mean mechanistic universe.
AM> Well do you punk?
Your Clint Eastwood sounds more like Herve Villacheze.
ML> And each and every one of them would be as totally
ML> naturalistic, mechanistic and supernaturally lacking as the
ML> other.
AM> You claim your notions are
AM> scientifically based.
ML> Absolutely. And amply evidenced.
AM>
AM> Pure nonsense. As you have amply demonstrated in this post your
AM> rejection of a designer or God is based on philisophical reasonings.
ML> Wrong YET again. I reject it because it's a religious
ML> construct TOTALLY bereft of evidence.
ML> And that, old bean, is PURE science.
AM>
AM> You admitted a few paragraphs ago that there is no evidence that
AM> the universe or the laws of nature created themselves. Yet that
AM> doesn't prevent your monolithic view point. Besides, proposing were
AM> here by design is hardly tantamount to a religious experience.
Experience? No. Religious dogma? Precisely.
AM> Which I have contended was true all along. You just use the
AM> credibility and integrity of science to further your THINK SYSTEMS.
ML> "THINK SYSTEMS"? A few gigatons more evidenced and trillions of
ML> lightyears more advanced and utile than your mindless "BELIEF
ML> SYSTEMS".
AM> My reference to think systems was tongue and cheek Marty.
No wonder it was all mushy and garbled.
AM> Your
AM> defense of your point of views are throughly grounded in
AM> philisophical tomes you have espoused.
Science and philosophy can and do intersect; but they do not in
any way overlap. I tend toward the point most distant the point
of intersection.
AM> Which is fine. At least we
AM> can jettison this idea that your an atheist on some scientific
AM> basis.
Fine. And you'd be just as wrong as you always are. Science has
no use nor desire for God(s), sprites, spooks, spirits or
spectres. As a scientist, how could I possibly be any
different?
... A man has to believe in something. I believe I'll have a beer.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Carl Sagan
|Date: 26 Jan 97 07:26:39
EID:6345 223a3b40
Damien Wellman, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Marty Leipzig
DW> IF Marty = Leipzig THEN Damien Wellman ELSE Carl Sagan
ML> G'wan...beat it.
DW> Would this be a cymbal of your impatience with such things?
ML> I snare'd you into my trap...
DW> Peh. You haven't even gotten off bass.
Peh Lee...another pot blacking the kettle call.
... "Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he called that 'special' KGB number.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Lack blipstick.
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:59:40
EID:6ce1 223a5f60
Patriot, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Fredric
Rice
Pa> Now, while I am a Christian, if we are to go by the Bible, is there
Pa> really anything wrong with saying "fuck?" Well, not the greatest
Pa> thing to say, sure.. But not like it blasphemes His name or
Pa> anything..
Well, God damn it all to hell and back, boy; you just ain't doing
it right.
... Faith healers do it with whatever they can lay their hands on.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Native Americans
|Date: 26 Jan 97 08:38:32
EID:dad5 223a44c0
Marilyn Burge, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Dan
Ceppa
MB> On (20 Jan 97) Dan Ceppa babbled to Marilyn Burge...
-> On 18 Jan 97 17:31:20, Marilyn Burge got back to Sy Hughes
SH> Well stone me! I was always led to believe that the Amerindians were
a
SH> tribal warring nation!
MB> The plains Indians were. They had to be to survive. On the other
MB> hand, the coastal Indians were primarily hunters, gatherers, farmers,
MB> and fishermen.
DC> You have to remember the the Sioux didn't leave Minnesota and head
DC> west because of something Horace Greely said. They were kicked
DC> out of there by the other tribes in the area.
MB>
MB> Minnesota is, broadly speaking, part of the plains I was talking
MB> about. I believe the mean elevation of Minnesota is something like 50
MB> feet;
63 feet, according to the USGS.
MB> that's why it's the Land of a Thousand Lakes.
"Land of 10,000 Lakes" is their motto. The shysters, they only
have 8,964 lakes. Let the truth from a Wisconsin native be
known, that great "meeting of the waters" state has 10,453 lakes.
Epicontinental glacial ice sheets will do that, you know...
... Do not clog intellect's sluices with knowledge of questionable uses.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Paul Davis
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 26 Jan 97 08:42:46
EID:6328 223a4540
Paul Davis, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Dan
Ceppa
PD> On 11 Jan 97, Dan Ceppa was discussing
PD> "Christ-Like" with Domino.
PD> Hi Dan :)
Do>> Have you ever thought that maybe it's not a Deity that's allowing
Do>> anything, that we're allowing everything?
DC> Of course we are. We shape the world around us into what we want it
to
DC> be.
PD> Or do we shape it into what we think it is? (there is a subtle
PD> difference)
Do>> I'm not a Christian, but the Bible *does* say we have free will.
DC> It may pay lip service to that concept. However, any free will is
DC> oveshadowed by the same book's thinly disguised threats.
PD> OK. I'll give you a chance to exercise your free-will.
PD> Here is a fire. You have a choice to put your hand in and hold it
PD> there for five minutes, or not. What is your choice?
If there was a good reason, in the fire. But I would first don
my Nomex gloves first.
No big deal.
Next.
PD> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
Both, in spades.
... "Eighteen straight whiskeys...I think that's a record." (Dylan Thomas)
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Paul Davis
|Sub: God came to stay
|Date: 26 Jan 97 08:45:50
EID:3154 223a45a0
Paul Davis, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to All
PD> This question is open to all, not just claimed-athiests, atheists and
PD> religious types.
You rang?
PD> If someone told you God was staying at his house, would you want to
PD> have a look?
Nope. God (which one, BTW?) is defined as a supernatural being.
The supernatural, by definition, is beyond the natural.
Therefore, if it is beyond natural; it cannot exist in a
natural universe.
We would then conclude that the "someone" is either a
psychotic, an imbecile or deep into his second liter of
ClanMcGargle; and would decline traveling to his domicile.
PD> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
An atheist anti-idiocy campaigner.
... Everybody should believe: I believe I'll have a drink.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Brian Shreve
|Sub: FAT PEOPLE
|Date: 26 Jan 97 08:55:04
EID:844c 223a46e0
Brian Shreve, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marilyn
Burge
BS> See ya around Mouth.
In this medium, wouldn't that more accurately be "Fingers"?
... "You're the best straight man we atheists could pray for." -- Marty
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Meter O'Prophecy = 60%
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:04:03
EID:4869 223a4880
Jan deBoer, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Leonard
Bernier
Jd> On 18 Jan 97 15:33:00 Leonard Bernier wrote to All...
LB> PRAISE GOD !
LB> PROPHECY: - The Messiah will be sitent before his accusers.
LB> "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He did open His mouth
LB> ."
LB> FULFULLMENT: "And while He was being accused by the chief priests
LB> and elders, He answered nothing."
LB> Since the Lord is directing our steps, why try to understand
LB> everything that happens along the way ?
LB> Jesus Saves North Bay, ONT.
LB> SENT ABOUT 60 % OF PROPHECY SO FAR.
Jd> Hi!....no need to send anymore - we already subscribe to Jean Dixon.
Saw a note in the paper that JD is no more (i.e., croaked).
She missed that one big time.
... Hi, I'm your personal god for this evening. How many in your cult?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: It'sa gooda cheza!
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:05:22
EID:4ca8 223a48a0
Jan deBoer, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Ed Mills
Jd> On 19 Jan 97 22:43:52 Ed Mills wrote to Jan deBoer...
Jd> Mama mia, Itsa Gouda Italiana cheesa!
EM> It wasn't Dutch? It sure sounded like it.
EM> What's that smell? F-16 exhaust fumes again?
EM> edweird
Jd> Ja, ja - gouda isst frumm der verdommde amsterdammers!
Jd> I vaas tryink to make der ethnic yoke.....VERY risque in these trying
Jd> times!
Jd> You can sign up for a Berlitz course in Italian.....or, you CAN fake
Jd> it! YES - fake it! - by adding an 'a' on the trailing end of most
Jd> words.
Jd> "Dont'a vorry - I fixa for yew!" - (based on personal experience!).
Jd> ^ ^
Jd> Thus, 'good cheese' becomes 'gooda cheesa'....Yuk, yuk".
Jd> Phonetically, gouda cheese = gooda cheese.
Jd> Therefore, one should find "gooda cheeza" in yer local Italiano
Jd> Grocery store!
Jd> Oh, Gawd...c'mon, Ed - your pulling my leg! Yer smelling Lambretta
Jd> fumes!
Jd> Have lunch at Frankie Tommato's - Itsa gouda fooda!
And an Italian bigamist is a heavy regional fog.
... Actions from sanity are not necessarily from feeling.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:06:40
EID:c41f 223a48c0
Sue Armstrong, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to George
Mooth
SA> Making a good die roll, George Mooth cast Our Daily Bread at Rod
SA> Swift .. and all hell broke loose.
RS>I'm bent, and my "tree" grows when I see your cute ass, Mooth! :) :)
GM> There you go again - being a mental slave to Satan. When will you
GM> choose to be free and not a slave?
SA> When will you stop spamming the echo with your useless canned
SA> drivel?
Never. His God told him to (SonofSam I am).
BTW, did you receive the mail?
... "Bad carrot! Bad, BAD!!"- Crow, "It Conquered the World"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:17:14
EID:a8a8 223a4a20
Jan deBoer, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marilyn
Burge
Jd> On 18 Jan 97 14:38:30 Marilyn Burge wrote to Jan deBoer...
Jd> ... 665 - Neighbor of the Beast
Jd> I -like- it!...But, what about 667?
0, 7.19443628747: the arccosines of the Beast
0.001501501501502: 1/Beast
0.001501501501502: the reciprocal of the Beast
0.5877852522925: the cosine of the Beast
-0.8090169943749: the sine of the Beast
-1.376381920471: the inverse tanh of the Beast
-1.376381920471: the tangent of the Beast
1.57079632679, -7.19443628747: the arcsines of the Beast
1010011010: the binary of the Beast
1232: the octal of the Beast
2.82347422917: the log to the base 'e' of the Beast.
25.8069758011: the square root of the Beast
25.807 - The square root of the beast.
295408296: the cube of the Beast
2x3x3x37 - prime factor of the beast
333: Eric the half-a-Beast.
443556: the square of the Beast
6.50128967054: the natural log of the Beast
665 - Neighbor of the Beast
666 1/2 The mother-in-law suite of the Beast.
666-555-1212....The number for information of the Beast.
666i: BMW of the Beast.
... ***667: Satan's neighbor...*** (As per your request.)
7.194436287473 : the inverse cosh of the Beast
7.194437414727: the inverse sinh of the Beast.
8.691504350753e+288: the cosh of the Beast
8.691504350753e+288: the sinh of the Beast
8.73289174129: the cube root of the Beast
89.9139703657: the arctangent of the Beast
999...the Number of the Beast in Australia.
So there.
... "Oh, that'll go great in his alien-hell-beast-from-space collection!"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:18:34
EID:9156 223a4a40
Dave Hamilton, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Katherine
Wintersnight
DC>> What's next? Pre-conception baptisms for every egg the woman
DC>> is about to release?
KW> Why not just baptize her belly, and get it over with?
DH> And for 'doubles', her forehead.
DH> I dunno how many times i stood bagging (breathing for) a dead
DH> victim while we waited for the priest to arrive and administer
DH> last rites.
DH> Once I made the observation that the guy was probably long
DH> gone to the redwood cedar saunas about now, but what happened
DH> if he got last rites and survived? The priest, clearly under
DH> unfamiliar pressure, answered that while he wasn't really sure,
DH> he thought the victim might get extra points.
DH> My best interpretation is that 'last rites' is sort of a letter
DH> of introduction. I've since taken to preforming the ritual on
DH> myself whenever I'm feeling particularly inadaquate in any given
DH> day. I figure there ought to be a sizeable file of last-rites
DH> resume's on me by now. Maybe I'll be able to get a job (since I'm
DH> in a one-on-one marriage) evaluating the celibate behaviour of
DH> the priests who have made carreers out of offering critical
DH> advice to married couples.
DH> Do you suppose there's anyone from heaven contributing
DH> to HolySomke? No? Aw, Gee, looks pretty grim then...
Reminds me of the Burma Shave signs now so regrettably gone:
"Be careful as you drive,
and watch that junction.
To soon, too fast,
Extreme unction.
Burma Shave."
... Factualist: one, who in facing the lack of facts, makes them up.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Sex at Dragon festival (d
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:21:11
EID:2825 223a4aa0
Katherine Wintersnight, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to,
said to David Worrell
DW>I have a friend here who is quite literally one of the most physically
DW>attractive women I have *ever* seen. She's always asking me why men don't
ask
DW>her out. "errr... Maybe because you scare the piss out of 'em?"
DW>On several occasions she has done the "fawn eyes" bit to guys that interest
DW>her while we are out together. She doesn't understand when I tell her
that
KW> any DW>guy she gets while in the company of another male is very likely
to be a
DW>complete shithead. I try to get her to go out alone, and she says, "But
then
DW>all the guys will be hitting on me!" By this point in this recurrent
DW>conversation, I start looking for a brick wall to bash my head against.
DW>Women are fucking *odd*.
KW> Safety in numbers, David. She doesn't want to be staked out like a
KW> goat in a tiger trap.
Or in (shades of Michael Crichton) the Tyrannosaur Paddock.
... Barney and Baby Bop at Jurassic Park = A happy Velociraptor pack.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:24:23
EID:0067 223a4b00
Rob Burcham, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Starfire
S> DC> So, will the real Starfire and/or Gwenny the Pooh figure out what
S> DC> you/they are doing and get back to us and stop talking to yourself
or
S> DC> selves.
S>
S> We aren't real we are pigments of your imagination.
RB> I shudder to think what sort of reply Worrell will have
RB> for this one.
Or old, kindly Doc Glodbreg. He was into paints before he found
his one, true calling of head rabbit torturer.
... Auntie Em: Hate you, Hate Kansas. Taking the dog. Dorothy
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bacteria and Evolution.
|Date: 26 Jan 97 09:26:57
EID:b919 223a4b40
Dan Ceppa, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Al Schroeder
-> On 19 Jan 97 08:05:33, Al Schroeder got back to ROBERT CURRY
AS> Certainly it does; it assumes that the bedrock of reality is
AS> intelligent and omnipotent (in the sense that He can do anything that
AS> it not logically inconsistent.)
DC> Then, Al, that 'bedrock' is not omnipotent. After all, you just
DC> placed limits on your 'bedrock'.
Care to ask an old, worldly atheist rocknocker how bedrock erodes?
... "A double Rock-n-Rye and seven Carlings, please." - Boon
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: kablooey
|Date: 26 Jan 97 12:01:25
EID:81d9 223a6020
Ed Mills, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to ALL
EM> Hey, you geology guys:
You rang?
EM> While we're on this volcano thing, I seem to recall seeing a
EM> model at the Mt. St. Helens interpretive center which depicted
EM> the relative sizes of all the known major eruptions.
EM>
EM> St. Helens was the smallest of the bunch, shown as a mushroom
EM> cloud standing just a few inches high.
St. Helens was a popcorn fart. There is ample evidence of
Cascadian paleovolcanics that would decimate kilokilometers.
EM> Vesuvius was bigger, along
EM> with several others, but there was this _one_ that TOWERED over
EM> all the rest. It made St. Helens look like a medium-sized fart.
EM>
EM> I vaguely remember it being Mt. Mazama, (the precursor to Crater
EM> Lake) but I'm not sure... maybe it was Krakatoa? Anyone know fer
EM> sure?
But of course, all you need to do is ask.
Then again, you did. There have been a number of very
destructive eruptions in recorded history. Some of the nastier
have been Mt. Tambora in Indonesia in 1815, Krakatoa (actually,
*west* of Java) in 1883, Mt. Pelee, Martineque in 1902 and
Nevada del Ruiz, Colombia in 1985. All were major events,
seismically, volcanically and loss of life-wise (between 23k
and 93k souls nuked). But, the mother of all eruptions was probably
Santorini (Santora, Thera) in the Aegean, near the isle of Crete
in c. 1470 BCE. This eruption snuffed the developing Minoan
culture and buried many towns (a la Vesuvius; Akrotiri).
But even the Santorian episode pales in comparison to those
found in the geological (not anthropological) record. The
Colombia River effusives are one of such note (not terribly
life destructive, but barfed out thousands of cubic kilometers
of volcanic material), the Karroo sequence of Africa and the
real mother of them all, the Deccan Traps of India. The latter
is a series of basaltic flows that covered some 500,000 square
klicks of real estate back near the K/T boundary.
But, of course, your question needs to be refined a bit; as
there are at least a dozen different types of volcanic
eruptions. Some are large and relatively quiet, others are more
vociferous (Krakatoa was probably the loudest sound ever
produced [worse than 12" from the main tower at a Pink Floyd
concert]). Size? How defined? Number killed? Santorini wins,
hands down. Volume of effusives? The Deccan Traps have no peer
in the rock record.
Does that help?
... Does a radioactive cat have 18 half-lives?
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: al debunks apple sauc
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:04:12
EID:ac43 223a5880
Don Martin, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Curtis
Johnson
DM> Curtis Johnson said "al debunks apple sauc" to Al Schroeder,
DM> adding:
AS> You were questioning my mentioning of Sophocles as the beginning of
AS> philosophy, correct? But if you think it must have a formal "?" then
AS> certainly I will withdraw the term. "Statement", then. Even "reply".
CJ> Incorrect, except in Al semantics.
CJ> Me: "You disagree with just about every history of Greek
CJ> philosophy written."
CJ> You: "Thanks for asking a question."
CJ> Now you say it's philosophy began with Sophocles. I'm
CJ> awaiting for you to justify this on the ground he wrote dialogue.
DM>
DM> He DID! I can refer you to the dialogue betwixt Oedipus
DM> and Tiresias in Oedipus Rex, by all accounts written by
DM> Sophocles.
DM>
DM> "Euripides?"
DM> "No, they just tore by themselves."
"This is the story of Oedipus Rex.
You may have heard of his odd complex.
His name appears in Freud's index.
Because he loved his mother."
"So be kind to your mother,
take her to lunch, have a chat.
Or maybe buy her a brand new hat.
Perhaps you'd better leave it at that.
Or you'll end up with a rather complex complex,
Like old Oedipus,
[I'd rather marry a duckbilled platypus],
Than be like old Oedipus Rex!"
- T. Lehrer
... Nothing wrong with him that an autopsy wouldn't fix.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: One of yours?
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:12:26
EID:55ce 223a5980
Don Martin, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Katherine
Wintersnight
DM> Katherine Wintersnight said "One of yours?" to Don Martin,
DM> adding:
DM> If anyone here knows why Spielberg, Gates, et al are
DM>peeping in this lady's windows, please advise and I shall
DM>forward the information to her.
KW> I want to know why no one's informed "A Current Affair" or such about
KW> the orgy going on in her front yard. I would think that such footage
KW> would be worth a good bit.
DM>
DM> Tonite's show: Olympia, Washington, where the rich and
DM> famous go to spawn!
I fondly, though distantly, remember the Olympia Beer ads which
tout "It's the water!"; where the middle word is always, on
billboards, excised.
... 24th Rule of Creationism: Claim Velikovsky was a genius.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: teachers
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:17:11
EID:834f 223a5a20
Chris Green, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Bill
Wolff
-=> Quoting Bill Wolff to Chris Green <=-
CG> If all the 'students' failed to learn, I'd change the teacher!
BW> Unfortunately, nobody else has applied for the job. Are you
BW> volunteering for the job?
CG> First Rule I learned in the Army: Never Volunteer
Then how'd you get there in the first place?
... "She, uh...she's making flash powder from her own filth!"-Joel
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: I'm back to work today
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:18:48
EID:00f0 223a5a40
Chris Green, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Dan
Ceppa
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Chris Green <=-
CG> My qualifications are, as is; my life is, as is; whether you wish to
CG> believe or disbelieve it, I really couldn't give a damn!
DC> So, what the fuck are you posting here for? Just to waste
DC> bit-space?
CG> 'Postulation One', should have reached you all by now.
DC> From you, Pustulation 1.
CG> Read you, when I read you,
DC> Gee, did you learn that from MENSA? How handy to look like the
DC> pompous ass that you are.
CG> My what fine language you use, when a blood vessel bursts.
CG> Try reading as opposed to flapping your lips and tripping over your
CG> tongue.
CG> As to pomposity, probably that is how it sounds to you, but then when
CG> I get angry I get pompous and polite.
CG> I do not have to resort to cursing and swearing, and the types of
CG> language that I associate with the start of a decent pub brawl, in
CG> order to get my anger across.
CG> Had you spoken the words above to me face to face, I can assure you
CG> that my upper body is more than fit and strong enough to take you on.
Ah. Threats of intercontinental physical violence.
The last refuge of the physically and mentally inept.
... "Hey, little mutant guy!"- Crow, "Gamera vs. Barugon"
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: Chris Green
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:20:26
EID:5cdb 223a5a80
Chris Green, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to All
CG> From Maureen Green
CG> Chris is in hospital, I shall send his mail packet as it is, though
he
CG> normally edits out his more forthright language.
CG> It is unlikely that he will be doing either work or hobby messaging
CG> when he returns.
CG> They are going to knock out all of the trigeminal (sp?) nerve and
CG> remove one of a series of growths from his brain, the others cannot
be
CG> worked on.
CG> He will have to learn how to use the right side of his head, the eye,
CG> eyelid, mouth, tongue, chewing, moving the neck, moving the shoulder.
CG> There will be a large hole in the roof of his mouth. There will be
CG> damage to his eyes.
CG> Having read the rubbish in this packet, I suggest you talk about the
CG> right of the individual to choose when they want to die, and the
CG> available ways of doing so.
Anytime they want and any method that's not too terribly
messy.
... 3 AM where you are, but it's noon here in Boogerglob, Yugoslavia.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: hypocritical people
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:25:35
EID:144c 223a5b20
Jonathan Fingas, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
Curtis Johnson
JF> those cults which recruits extremely gullible people.
CJ> Second chapter of John--didn't you read the Bible?
CJ> BTW, Dan doesn't belong to a cult. However, it's evident
CJ> that "You must belong to one of those cults which recruits
CJ> extremely gullible people."
JF> I know, I know... people keep reminding me. :-) I just haven't read
JF> that particular part for awhile... Bible study class has been covering
JF> the book of Luke. No, I don't belong to a cult. I'm a member of St.
JF> Luke's Lutheran Church in Ottawa, Canada.
For which, I'm sure, they're positively busting their
collective buttons.
... Appleton: more hopping mad than a pissed kangaroo.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: The Fickle Finger
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:27:47
EID:1706 223a5b60
Ed Mills, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Dan Ceppa
EM> 21 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Dan Ceppa to Ed Mills:
EM> GEORGE! WAKE UP!
EM> George, I've accepted the Lord as my personal saviour.
EM> Please talk to me.
EM> PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE??????
DC> Marilyn asked you to troll, not eviscerate yourself as
DC> bait, chum! ;)
EM>
EM> Oh, shit. I thought this was the Hara_Kiri echo.
Oh, shit! This isn't the Hara_Krishna echo?
... Even when you're running the world, you can't get off.
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: dropping of names
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:33:25
EID:c57a 223a5c20
ROBERT CURRY, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to AL
SCHROEDER
MK> But then, to fundies, no sense makes sense, right, Al? :-)
AS> I guess so, Hector. I guess that's why Copernicus, Newton,
AS> Pascal, Guass, Mendel, Faraday, Maxwell, and Lemaitre were
AS> believers, and you should disregard anything they say as
AS> nonsense.
RC> One should certainly disregard any superstitious nonsense they may
RC> have been indoctrinated in, Al. That leaves us with the sensible
RC> things, only.
AS> And Boyle. And Lord Kelvin. And...
RC> Name dropping again? In the interest of a more balanced perspective,
RC> try a few names of those who didn't suffer so much from religious
RC> superstition mixed in with their contributions to society:
RC> Anaxagoras, Epicurus, Giordano Bruno, Christopher Marlowe, David Hume,
RC> Frederick the Great, Diderot, Comte, Feuerbach, Darwin, George Eliot,
RC> Mikhail Bakunin, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Huxley,
RC> Ingersoll, Clemens, Nietzsche, Edison, Freud, Darrow, Pierre Curie,
RC> Marie Curie, George Bernard Shaw, Alfred Adler, H.G. Wells,
RC> Robert Frost, Albert Einstein, Bertrand Russell, Virginia Wolff,
RC> H.L. Menken, Julian Huxley, B.F. Skinner, Rudolf Carnap, Linus
RC> Pauling, Karl Popper, Corliss Lamont, Margaret Sanger, Joseph Campbell,
RC> H.P. Lovecraft, Jawaharlal Nehru, A.J. Ayer, Albert Camus, Isaac
RC> Asimov, John Chancellor, Frank Zappa, Gene Roddenberry, Carl Sagan.
RC> Others, still living: Douglas Adams, Woody Allen, Piers Anthony,
RC> Margaret Atwood, Ingmar Bergman, Marlon Brando, John Byrne, George
RC> Carlin, Noam Chomsky, Arthur C. Clarke, Francis Crick, Richard
RC> Dawkins, Linda Ellerbee, Albert Ellis, Harlan Ellison, Anthony Flew,
RC> Larry Flint, James Forman, Bill Gates, Jack Germond, Prabhir Ghosh,
RC> Candace Gingrich (yes, reaated to *that* Gingrich), Whoopi Goldberg,
RC> Mikhail Gorbachev, Stephen Jay Gould, Spalding Gray, Bob Guccione,
RC> Joe Haldeman, Harry Harrison, James A. Haught, Stephen Hawking,
RC> Nat Hentoff, Katherine Hepburn, Jack Kevorkian, Larry King,
RC> Stanley Kubrick, Milan Kundera, Paul Kurtz, John Larroquette,
RC> Ursula K.LeGuin, Michael Martin, Todd McFarlane, Sarah McLachlan,
RC> Marvin Minsky, James Morrow, John Mortimer, Taslima Nasreen,
RC> Jack Micholson, Kai Nielson, Larry Niven, Camille Paglia,
RC> Neil Peart, Roman Polanski, Katha Pollitt, Paula Poundstone,
RC> Vladamir Pozner, W.V. Quine, James Randi, Christopher Reeve, Tom
RC> Robbins, Henry Rollins, Andy Rooney, Salmon Rushdie, Pamela Sargent,
RC> Arnold Schwarzeneggar, George H. Smith, Benjamin Spock, Howard Stern,
RC> J. Michael Straczynski, Uma Thurman, Ted Turner, Max von Sydow,
RC> Stephen Weinberg, Sherwin T. Wine, and Bruce Wright.
Hey!
Where's the "three Martins"?
... Even sliced VERY thin, baloney is never corned beef.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.30
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:46:26
EID:144c 223a5dc0
Jonathan Fingas, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to
David Worrell
DW> 20 Jan 97 20:22, Jonathan Fingas wrote to Glen Todd:
JF> You certainly don't have any proof that Jesus DIDN'T turn water into
JF> wine, feed 5000 with a lone basket of food, or walk on water.
DW> You don't have any proof that I do not have an IOU,
DW> signed by you, for $100,000. Present your proof, or pay
DW> up.
DW> The burden of proof lies upon the maker of the positive claim, moron.
JF> Yes, but can you prove that you do have an IOU? Guess not, hmm.
JF> The Bible is the only thing we have for proof, and I'm content to
JF> believe it.
So. let me venture...you've got a hot tub in your backyard
that's 10' across and 30' around?
... (desperately) The one without the gannet!
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|From: Marty Leipzig
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: better?
|Date: 26 Jan 97 11:58:49
EID:cffa 223a5f40
David Worrell, camping in a desert canyon in a psilomelane-to, said to Marilyn
Burge
DW> 22 Jan 97 19:33, Marilyn Burge wrote to Jan deBoer:
MB> A simple ooooops! would have been sufficient, and would have
MB> cut down considrably on the signal-to-noise ratio.
DW> Why would one want to *decrease* the signal-to-noise ratio?
She likes static?
DW> Do you have any idea what a signal-to-noise ratio is?
... chirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirpchirp
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Call her Madame
|Date: 26 Jan 97 15:42:57
EID:a48e 223a7d40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 7450f8f5
REPLY: 1:372/62.0 8A7C09AD
On Jan 24 06:57 97, Judith Bandsma of 1:372/62 wrote:
AS>> Sure would. If it's email, al.schroeder@nashville.com.
JB> Just remember, JJ, if you send it to Al, it becomes HIS
JB> property and you can't share it with anyone else.
That's between him and the AssEnded Masters.
My only claim to it is that I downloaded it by picking
a file at random.
Four more years! - Live with it!
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: absence of belief
|Date: 26 Jan 97 20:34:32
EID:943b 223aa440
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 c11c97a2
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32eacae9
On (24 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to ROBERT CURRY...
RC> Think about it. Order invites inquiry. That got the ball
RC> rolling.
AS> Inquiry is dependent on our presupposition that the orderly
AS> laws are out there to find.
No presupposition needed. The seasons follow a regular schedule,
as to the appearance of certain heavenly bodies. Birds fly in a
given direction at a certain time of year; in the opposite
direction two seasons later. The rhythms are there for anybody to
observe, no presuppositions needed.
... You can lead a fool to logic, but you can't make him think.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: freedom and life
|Date: 26 Jan 97 20:49:20
EID:3d84 223aa620
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 80cff250
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32eacb07
On (25 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Marilyn Burge...
MB> "Ask and ye shall receive that you gift may be full."
AS> And when two requests are contradictory, Marilyn? He's not a genie,
AS> and you are asking, not demanding.
MB> That's exactly why I regard the above as am empty promise (or,
MB> as I prefer, lie).
AS> Hmmm. Well, I don't find it so. I find it quite consistent with the
AS> rest of the Bible...but then, I don't read it is Alladin's three
AS> wishes to a genie.
I don't think it's about Alladin's lamp, either. But I DO
think that words have standard meanings that are available
to any sentient person who is able to read a dictionary.
What part of the two- and three-syllable words are too much
for you to handle, Al?
I even told you in another post how to get around the 'problem.'
All one has to do is follow the formula laid out by your master
in the 'Lord's Prayer,' and the problem ceases to exist.
But, if you insist on 'winging it' when you pray, you MUST admit
(if you're honest, which I doubt) that the scripture in question
is a farce at best, and an out-and-out lie at worst.
... Person+delusion = psychosis. People+delusion = religion.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: INTO MY PARLOR
|Date: 26 Jan 97 20:56:14
EID:3afd 223aa700
MSGID: 1:105/302.666 d1667d34
REPLY: 1:116/17.0 32eacb17
On (25 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Roger Hunter...
RH> I just deleted a whole screenful of invective and insults between you
RH> two.
AS> Can hardly blame you.
RH> Don't either of you have anything better to do than waste bandwidth
RH> this way?
RH> Sheesh!
AS> Evidently not. I wouldn't mind an interesting talk with Curry about
AS> the constants. I would very much value his opinion on the
AS> mathematical studies mentioned in the notes in the ANTHROPIC
AS> COSMOLOGICAL PRINCIPLE, for
AS> instance, which he is much fitter to judge than I.
He has been trying to tell you for months now that the whole
premise is hopelessly flawed. Even I can see that, and I
don't know an anthropic cosmoligical principle from a hole
in your head.
Unless you can narrow down the problem to the point where
you can get a handle on what odds you're actually dealing
with, anything beyond that point if mere blathering. Now
do you get it, or should I have Barney sing it for you?
... ... Imagine. 9,000,000 sperm and this shithead is the one who won.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: J.J. needs to be Hitt
|Date: 26 Jan 97 20:58:35
EID:93f0 223aa740
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On (25 Jan 97) Al Schroeder babbled to Mark Kimes...
AS> Then there is no truth to it, or just a modified version? And
AS> doesn't that have implications for the meteor/asteroid/comet
AS> that crashed into Earth and may have signaled the end of the
AS> dinosaurs? Because I thought they were similarly using such
AS> an effect to block the sun, and cause ecological disaster
AS> even at sites far away from the impact. (Granted, that impact
AS> would do much more damage...)
The Earth has ice ages every so often, asteroids or no asteroids.
Everything appears to come in cycles, if you look at things from a
far enough distance. Given that, the dinos needed nothing more
than another ice age to end their tenure here on Earth.
BTW, those cycles I just mentioned are one more rhythm that is
present in a universe that is, after all said and done, chaotic,
but still rhythmic enough for the curious to want to explore the
rhythms, no presuppositions needed.
... I prefer to view humans as risen apes, not fallen angels.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 26 Jan 97 21:05:01
EID:f0e4 223aa8a0
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On (25 Jan 97) ROBERT CURRY babbled to MARILYN BURGE...
RC> MB>> You realize, of course, that reincarnation is a mathematical
RC> MB>> impossibility, don't you? There are more people on the face
RC> MB>> of the Earth today than have lived on the Earth since the first
RC> MB>> homo sapien sapien stood upright. So, where do all the extra
RC> MB>> "souls" come from?
RC> From the Minbari. Don't you watch Babylon 5? :-)
MB> Nope. I'm not familiar with that one.
RC> Of course, they only account for the last thousand years or so.
MB> I don't follow. . . .
RC> Suffice it to say that the Minbari leaders believe that many
RC> of the souls of the greatest among them have been
RC> reincarnated as humans. Now consider Hindu theology for a
RC> moment: they allow for souls in all kinds of animals. You
RC> could say that as the numbers of other species are reduced,
RC> they are reincarnated as humans.
Now, there's a thought. But, since we have no way to do a census
on the animal life among us (descending all the way down to
amoebas and virii, I would presume), I'm still not convinced that
reincarnation is mathematically possible. I'm fairly certain that
as the human population has increased, the rest of the animal
population has decreased. If I'm correct, we still have a problem,
don't we?
... Creationist, 'eh? Now we've got to find someone fluent in stupid.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: ALL
|Sub: "...and a ?"
|Date: 26 Jan 97 12:34:08
EID:ee0e 223a6440
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 baba9cc2
"I'm primarily a theologian and then a ped... er, cook."
-Jeff "The Frugal Gourmet" Smith
Lon Mabon breathes a little easier today, knowing that, for a
little while, people's attention will be diverted away from
him and his thus-far well-concealed NAMBLA membership.
edweird
... PREROGATIVE: a sovereign's right to do wrong. (Bierce)
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Al's deliberate delusions
|Date: 27 Jan 97 23:20:14
EID:7857 223bba87
MSGID: 1:218/890@FidoNet 0d973c5d
REPLY: 1:123/67.7 32e0ef74
PID: FM 2.02
FR>>> ~*~ EVERYONE FROM THE SOUTH IS GUILTY OF INCEST.
FR>>> - Christopher Calabrese
as>> I don't usually comment on taglines, but what the hey, since it
as>> was obviously to get my goat. All I can say is that you just
as>> also maligned Robert Curry, David Worrell, Mike Hardy, and
as>> many another participants here.
RC> Oh, the horror of it! I feel so _maligned_. LOL!
dw> Am I gonna have to kick yer ass? :)
Would you please? I can't imagine the paranoia which went into
Al's belief that I tailor the random quotes just to piss him off. Such
thinking is too totally foreign. He must imagine us dirty little heathens
are constantly plotting against tender young fundies or something.
~*~ God is cool! - Thomas Baird
Yep. Three degrees Kelvin. - Tetzel
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