God Damned Fundies!
|From: David Ragland
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ...
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:15:00
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LB AS> OTOH, it is clear that God does NOT heed the prayers of the wicked.
LB AS> John 9:31. "Now we know that God heareth not sinners;"
LB MK> By their paradoxes shall ye know them. You've just made it impossible
LB MK> for sinners to pray for salvation, Al. :-)
LBLOL!!!
LBBeautiful, Hector, simply beautiful...
And just what is "beautiful" about unfounded and caustic derision pray tell?
LB MK> Admit it -- the whole idea of "answered prayer" is silly, and you
LB MK> can't justify it.
LBCertainly not after he's put so much time into 'explaining' why it isn't
LBanswered when it matters.
A sinner praying for salvation is someone trying to change and become a
new creation. You two are taking what Al said out of context. What's more,
I think you both know that. A sinner "sincerely" praying for salvation
will
no longer be a sinner. 2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ,
he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are
become new. (also reference the sinner's prayer in Romans!) A sinner
assaying to enter the doorway to salvation is a prayer which can be heard
at
any time because of the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of God. A sinner
praying for a new car with no intention of changing his or her life,
however.... You savvy? Of course you do. ;)
By their paradoxes ye know them... indeed.
David Ragland
Cogito Ergo I am not politically correct!
---
SLMR 2.1a If you agree with them, what more can they say?
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:11:30
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P> Besides, it isn't as if Christians are the only ones against
P> homosexuality..
DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones against Jews,
DW> either, right?
Pa> Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good imagination to
Pa> come up with an analogy like that.. There is a bit of a
Pa> difference between Christians and Nazis, as well as between
Pa> gays and Jews.
SS> I don't think you thought that through before posting your
SS> response. Hatred for those who are "not like us" is still hatred no
SS> matter who is using it as an excuse for his behavior. It seems like
SS> a very good analogy to me.
Actually, it is a horrible analogy. WHy? Because Christianity has nothing
to do with hatred, and if one is filled with hatred, I might question his
Christianity..
I hate no one. Just because I disagree with someone strongly, or even disapprove
of their actions or the way they think, does not mean I hate them.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:13:46
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MB> It's not an oxymoron at all. I think that in a truly free
MB> society, people have the right to be wrong. Without the
MB> freedom to be wrong, there is no freedom at all.
P > I would agree, generally, but when life is concerned, I don't
P > think we can afford to be wrong.
MB> Nonsense! Each of us is wrong about something nearly every day of
MB> our lives. If we are smart, we then learn from the experience.
MB> Being denied the right to make bad decisions does nothing but
MB> deprive us of the chance to learn from life.
YEs, we are human, so we are going to be wrong, from time to time, but when
you are speaking of a life or death situation, you just better be VERY sure
of yourself..
Having the right to be wrong is a great thin, but should we allow that,
if it means another's life is ended?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Direct Dialling
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:16:26
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KY> A true Christian should be talking with God every day.. Trouble is,
KY> true Christians appear to me a minority more and more..
DC> Leaving only you, of course, as the "one true xian".
Not at all.. There are still several, but seeing how we are in end times,
there obviously would be less true CHristians than there used to be..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Idiot postings
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:18:54
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-> On 22 Jan 97 20:47:14, Patriot got back to David Worrell
DC> I see you figured out how to use your alias again, Ken.
Not really.. That message I posted before the ones where I used my real
name..
DW> little of Christ in it, anyway. If you all were honest,
DW> you'd change your name to Paulians.
Pa> FIrst, not all Christians think like Paul.. That is why you may see
DC> Of course they do. All of xianity depends on the teachings of Saul.
DC> Without him, you'd have no dogma to believe.
Funny, and here, I always thought we were to obey CHrist..
And it isn't like he was the only man of God in the Bible..
Pa> Anyway, even if that abbreviation was coined by a Christian, does
Pa> everyone have the same meaning for the abbreviation, as it originally
Pa> was meant?
DC> There you go again, ignoring the facts and worried about the
DC> little things. As to the meaning, they should, as it was
DC> widespread in the days of the early xian religion.
Well, "gay" used to mean happy, now it doesn't.. Words do change in their
meaning, as time goes on.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:53:20
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MB> wrong, there is no freedom at all.
Pa> I would agree, generally, but when life is
Pa> concerned, I don't think we
Pa> can afford to be wrong.
DM> Right you are! With a global population approaching 6
DM> billion, we had better abort ALL of the little bastards!
DM> We'll have a great deal more latitude for right/wrong
DM> considerations when we get the numbers below 1 billion.
I know most would disagree, but I do not believe there is any population
problem at all.. More like a distribution problem, than one having to do
with over population.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:55:12
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SS> Can you point to _anything_ in the Constitution that suggests that
SS> it was meant to found "a Christian government"? No aspect of the
SS> Christian God is mentioned even once in the US Constitution. This
SS> lack is not an oversight but the result of careful thought on the
SS> part of the framers most of whom had quite strong feelings about
SS> keeping religion out of government and government out of religion.
Nope.. I do not claim that the Constitution specifically mentions Christianity.
Though, I will say, I think the Constitution was to a large degree taken
from Christian beliefs.
No, it was no an oversight, but it doesn;t mean Christianity didn't play
a part either. The forefathers of America wanted it to be a Christian nation,
but at the same time, a nation where one could believe differently, if they
wanted to.
They didn't necessarily want religion and politics to stay completely seperate,but
just didn't want the govt. to be able to force or discourage any religious
beliefs..
SS> As you cast about among the founding documents for something
SS> (anything) to support your thesis do also remember that the
SS> Declaration of Independence was written as a propaganda document
SS> designed to encourage citizens to join the cause of revolution and
SS> was never intended to have force of law.
SO, they never meant what it said in the so called Declaration of Independence?
If they didn't mean it, I doubt it they would have said it.
Ken
"Either we are one nation under God, or we are one nation under."
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:01:54
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P> DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones
P> DW> against Jews, either, right?
P>Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good
P>imagination to come up with an
P>analogy like that.. There is a bit of a difference
P>between Christians and
P>Nazis, as well as between gays and Jews.
KW> Doesn't take much imagination to see something right there in front
of
KW> you, 'Patriot'. Why do you spend so much time and energy thinking about
KW> homosexuality, anyway?
No, but it takes a great deal of imagination when it is a fairy tale..
WHile I might be able to think of some I have heard of with Judeo Christian
beliefs that one could argue are Nazis, I have never known any personally..
And again,if they are Nazis they cannot be true Christians, as they would
be against the love Christianity is about.
Why think abnout homosexuality? Maybe because I was replying to what someone
else said..
Also, because I realize it is an unnatural lifestle, that was never meant
to be.
Ken
"I'm not religious, I just love the Lord."
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Andy's on the ropes.
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:07:06
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P> SQ> assume] killing while, uh, "under the influence."
P> Jd> I thought drinking blood was a christian ritual
P> Jd> called 'communion'??
P>Nope.. That is all symbolism..
KW> WEll, so much for your bible. . .
My Bible never says that we are eating the flesh or drinking the blood,
when taking part in communion. It is pretty clear ion the Bible, that that
is purely symbolic.
Ken
"Salvation is what God gives a sinner who knows he cannot justify himself."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Joseph Keenan
|Sub: Celsus
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:10:38
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P>>Not lying, more like trying.. We are only human,
P>>and are far from perfect.
>>Yes, Christians should be different from the rest,
>>at least spiritually. Bu
>>unfortunately, now and then, CHristians may let
>>their carnality take over.
JK> At least in a x-ian mentality was not a body given to them by
JK> their god? Why would a person need a body if not to pleasure the body?
JK> It seems that x-ians "let their carnality" take over a lot of
JK> the times. Jim Baker even robbed his own church. Jimmy Swagart didn;t
JK> even know what to do with a prostitue. He just sat there and played
with
JK> himself in front of one.
Sure, our bodies are to be used for pleasure, but at the right place and
the right time.. Oh yes, and in the right way.
Of course Christians let their carnality take over, they are human. Especially
well known ministers, as they are under a lot of pressure, and sometimes
think they can handle it all.
That was, I believe, because Swaggart could not bring himself to cross a
line. He could only go so far.
As far as Baker goes, I do not know if he was a Christian or not, but how
did he rob the church? Not like he forced anyone to give him money.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:15:18
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Jd> It's similar to the difficulty you have in announcing 'I'm a White
Jd> Supremicist" on your arrival here!
P> ANd what makes you think I am a white supremicist? Because I'm a
P> Christian?
Jd> 'Patriots' anti-immigrant and homo-hatred postings on several BBS's
Jd> leave no doubt. Have you recanted?
Several BBS's? Do I know you from somewhere else?
I am against homosexuality, but that does not mean I hate gays. Far from
it.
You mean you hate everyone that might do something or believe something,
that you might disagree with?
Anti-immigrant? Again, far from it.. ANyone can come to America that wants
to. What I specifically would be against are ILLEGAL immigrants.
P> Actually, that would be going against the Christian faith.
Jd> Oh?...Christian belief is a prerequisite for membership in the KKK.
Wrong. They may have some beliefs they got from the Bible, (usually so
they can use it to excuse their actions) but they are not Christian. I
do believe their violent actions would kind of be against the teachings
of Christ.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Driving Mr. Daisy
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:22:00
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Jd> Well why don't you? Next time, just put the keys in the ignition, and
Jd> slide over to the passenger side, and leave the driving to god.
Jd> Let us know how far you get, idiot.
KY> The body must be ours, but perhaps if we let God guide our
KY> thinking a little more, this would be a better place.
Jd> That's been tried already - the period known as "THE DARK AGES".
Well, what are we in now, the "age of enlightenment?"
No, actually there was no time when society in general went according to
God's will completely.. Nor will there be, on this earth, anyway..
Ken
"If you don't believe there is a god, just look around you."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Flesh and Blood
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:25:04
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-> On 22 Jan 97 17:28:28, Patriot got back to Jan deBoer
Jd> I thought drinking blood was a christian ritual called 'communion'??
Pa> Nope.. That is all symbolism..
Jd> Symbolic of christian cannibilism?
No, but thanks for playing, anyway..
It is symbolic for the sacrifice CHrist made on the cross, so we could be
saved from sin.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJ
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:40:14
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RS> called to a newness of
ML> BJ> life. Our walk as Christians is to conform,
ML> BJ> by God's grace and mercy,
ML> BJ> to this calling.
ML> "Called to conform"? Well, so much for that "free will" thing.
RS> Touche... That was a zinger! :)
We are called to "conform," yes, but we still have the free will to do that
or not..
ML> I've never died; so by your curious brand of "logic", death must
ML> be meaningless and I can't study it's effects.
RS> He also assumed I'm hostile to Christianity. I'm not. I'm a
RS> critic. There *is a difference* :) I am actively hostile to the
RS> hostile parts of Christi(ins)anity. :)
You sure seem it to me.. SO then, am I just a critic when it comes to the
things I disagree with?
Hostile? I keep hearing this, yet no one can gives me examples..
Ken
"In case of rapture, this line will be free."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 28 Jan 97 23:45:00
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RS> * On 27-12-96 at 09:34, NATE COOKSON wrote to SALLY SPRINGETT,
RS> on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> ""Abortion stops a beating Heart""
RS> ... so does the death penalty.
AH, but that is ending the life of the guilty.. Abortion is killing the
innocent. A bit of a difference there..
RS> ... so does killing a {gay person/witch/heretic/atheist/doctor}
RS> for your god...
I would agree with you there.. Fortunately, I do not know anyone that would
kill any of those people, just because of the labels you gave them above.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Quote
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:12:29
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PID: FM 2.02
I wasn't lying - I just didn't have the stats right there next
to me, okay? - Jonathan Fingas
When caught lying for his gods about the death cult's membership,
what's his "defense?" No, he wasn't lying, he was just mouthing off his
master's preprogramming.
~*~ God never intended for there to be sex with the same race. - Steve
Lew
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Hypocritical fundy death cultists
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:18:11
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PID: FM 2.02
JF> It's just that fanatics use those teachings (usually in
JF> selective, ignorant snippings) as a facilitator.
dm> Nobody says that fanatics are logical thinkers. I _do_ say that
dm> fanatics are a danger to civil society, and that their antisocial
dm> behaviors are rooted in their delusional belief systems.
Ask the fuck if he wears mixed fibres, cuts his hair, has ever had a female
teacher, or eats pork. Talk about selecting what fundies will and won't
obey.
dm> Those who attempt to stuff their fallacious leaps from "ANY" to
dm> "ALL" into the mouths of others are, in my humble opinion, lying
dm> sacks of shit.
This guy could almost be Staal using another alias.
~*~ "assassinating his character"? Goat, man, his
character has committed SUICIDE. [snicker] - Preston Simpson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Uh, um not a Fundy, I just talk like one
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:21:31
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PID: FM 2.02
JF> In my own home, there are even more examples that I'm not
JF> fundamentalist. I wouldn't play games like Diablo (which has
JF> pentagrams and demons aplenty); I wouldn't watch some of the TV shows
JF> I do, like The X-Files; I wouldn't listen to some rock music. You're
JF> proving just how little you know or understand.
For some reason he elected not to include the fact that he's
a lying bastard incapable of understanding even the simplest of science.
He's a fundy. His need to forget little details and his inability to learn
what his paper idol actually says is obvious.
dc> Pentagrams and demons must be evil! He can't control them.
dc> Let's all hide from the next computer game that comes out!
dc> Quickly, or they'll see your shadow and follow!
Pretty sick, yes. Freud got it right when he considered deity oriented
occultism a mental condition requireing therapy to overcome.
JF> How do you know what happens in my home? You're either a
jf> stalker, or you're just trying to pad your ego.
dc> Can Jonathan understand the word, 'paranoid'?
It wouldn't surprise me if he's just a 14-year-old whos mommy doesn't know
he's on the computer and whos daddy just doesn't care.
~*~ "The residential apartment complex's first floor was leveled in the
earthquake...crushing many penises in the process." - Steve Rose
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Critial thinking did it, Al
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:36:09
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AS> I know the dark ages well, Jan.
jd> Obviously - mentally, you're still in them!
He and his fellow death cultists are working hard to bring about the next
one.
AS> I also knew who led us out of them. And why.
jd> Oh, DO tell us, Al.....
It was critical thinking which brought about the end to the last Dark Age.
~*~ The wheels of scientific inquiry and discovery
are greased by caffeine. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:40:30
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dr> I agree. Becke is also overlooking the issue of the sovereignty of
dr> God here, Al. I mean, if someone is to question His right to make
dr> someone pregnant, then you must also question His right to create us
dr> as He did.
My guess is you know zero about biology and molecular biology. But then
were you to learn you wouldn't be able to continue being as Christanic death
cultist.
Do you have _any_ idea what "atrophied evolutionary coden sequences" means?
~*~ Besides, I was an atheist infidel; what could I
possibly know about "God"? - Marty Leipzig
Show them the one you carved out of wood. . . . - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:42:33
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PID: FM 2.02
SS> I don't think you thought that through before posting your
SS> response. Hatred for those who are "not like us" is still hatred no
SS> matter who is using it as an excuse for his behavior. It seems like
SS> a very good analogy to me.
ky> Actually, it is a horrible analogy. WHy? Because Christianity has
ky> nothing to do with hatred, and if one is filled with hatred, I might
ky> question his Christianity..
Nearly every race hate organization in the United States is a Christian
organization which meets in Christanic churches. The KKK, Aryan Nations,
Church of Jesus Christ Christian, all the Identity brand names, the Sword
and the Cross, Mormons, Baptists, Focus on the Family... they're all hate
organizations, Ken, and every one of them Christian.
Pretending your death cult is anything other than hate is to deny all of
the death cult's history. That's silly and stupid.
~*~ it's that the power you worship is an inept, defeated, dog.
- Don Geser (A Christian fundy pretending atheists worship the
Christian "Satan" deity construct.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Direct Dialling
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:44:02
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KY> A true Christian should be talking with God every day.. Trouble is,
KY> true Christians appear to me a minority more and more..
DC> Leaving only you, of course, as the "one true xian".
ky> Not at all.. There are still several, but seeing how we are in end
ky> times, there obviously would be less true CHristians than there used
to
ky> be..
Ah, yes... The latest "end times..." about the 7,000th since Paul/Saul
created the death cult.
Perhaps you should actually crack open your paper idol and read what it
says, Ken. The so-called "Jesus" mythos was made to claim that it would
return within the lifetimes of its followers.
Guess what? They're all dead.
Every death cultist thought their generation was the "end times," Ken.
It's ego which makes death cultists want to pretend that the world won't
continue after they themselves die.
Pretty sick, actualy, but then we're talking Christianity here.
~*~ To have an understanding of the universe one doesn't need
scientific technology. - Andrew Conner (A New Age Creationist)
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sav
|Date: 30 Jan 97 00:31:34
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On Jan 29 03:37 97, Dan Ceppa of 1:123/67.5 wrote:
DC> Your god has big tits?
More importantly: Do they drag on the floor?
Four more years! - Live with it!
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: AL'S GOD OF LOVE
|Date: 28 Jan 97 16:59:00
EID:f3bd 223c8760
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Y'know, sometimes I think atheists, quite frankly, would PREFER the
AS> OT God, who appears as a pillar of fire at night, who parts the Red
AS> Sea, who hits people with leprosy for questioning their leader. They
AS> would prefer a
AS> powerful but rather heavy-handed God to one who sits back, and hands
AS> us the key to Paradise, points out the door, and waits for us to use
AS> the key ourselves.
I know I would. If there just HAS to be such a thing, I want Him
out in the open, not -maybe- hiding in the shadows waiting to bite
me when I die.
... "Taglines: Your last chance to really piss off the other guy!"
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: ASK AND YE SHALL RECE
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:02:00
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Nope. I've had prayers which I THINK were answered...but I'm saying
AS> the sort of miraculous stuff that some here are demanding. And also
AS> trying to reason from what the NT says...
Al, that's called rationalisation. You're looking for -any- way
to make sense out of nonsense.
Next you'll be joining the ICR....
... I tried to drown my problems but they can swim.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BABY IN CRITICAL COND
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:07:00
EID:9103 223c88e0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> But since we know nothing of the afterlife except few hints, we
AS> don't know if there is any sort of preperation needed for the
AS> afterlife. We might mess up things by doing it too soon...
Not even YHVH could blame the children for your actions.
AS> And the ones we kill might have a purpose that God intended them to
AS> complete, which we might foil by killing them...
Giving you the power to thwart God? I doubt it.
AS> And killing corrupts the KILLER, makes them callous...
Beside the point. You're gonna burn for it anyway. This is to
benefit the kids, by assuring them Heaven.
AS> And finally, I'm not killing my kids, and that's that!
Tsk, tsk. Selfish, Al.
... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BACTERIA AND EVOLUTIO
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:09:00
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Because I think the whole reason of existence is for us to learn how
AS> to make moral decisions without being forced to.
RH> Foolish, Al, as long as Hell looms in the background. It only
RH> makes sense under reincarnation.
AS> You may be right.
Ah, another chink in the armor? There's hope for you yet.
The scales over your eyes are softening!
... Fun, fun, fun, 'til her daddy takes her Blue Wave away!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:10:00
EID:03a5 223c8940
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> What if there is an imprint on the soul that allows the brain to
AS> impress the "mind" on it?
What if your mind was copied into a computer? Would it be YOU
or would it just think it was you?
... Don't worry - Cthulhu LIKES your sense of humor.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:14:00
EID:03a5 223c89c0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Odd. I didnt' think we helped sociopaths, but rather, locked them up.
AS> And in some cases execute them.
Did you lose the thread? The idea was that you saw evidence for God in
human actions which have no genetic advantage, such as altruism.
My point was that sociopathy has no genetic advantage either and
thus is evidence for God.
And you showed WHY it has no genetic advantage.
Thanks! Are you convinced then?
... Me.. a skeptic? I trust you have evidence.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORMONISM IS CHRISTIA
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:15:00
EID:e5d3 223c89e0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> I remember seeing it, so it can't have been TOO long ago....
AS> Within the last two weeks?
I don't remember....
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: 'BIBLE PROPHESY'
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:53:00
EID:e53f 223c8ea0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan Deboer <=-
AS> No, Jan. You can't split it up. You have to read it all together. The
AS> death of say, Joan of Arc, or the Christians killed in the Crusasdes
AS> or the Holy Wars proves nothing. (Or those who died in jihads or any
AS> other religious persausion, as long as they don't claim to have
AS> PERSONALLY witnessed the miracles that started their religion.) But
AS> those who claimed
AS> to have seen such, and were willing to die for it? Or be tortured or
AS> executed? And others, of the same time, who might be able to verify
AS> some details with those in Jerusalem? Yes, I do think it significant.
This confuses me, Al. Why is is any different?
Someone dies for their belief, a belief without evidence.
Someone else dies for their belief in something they claim
to have seen.
What's the difference? The first even had greater faith.
They're both dead.
... If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BACTERIA AND EVOLUTIO
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:49:00
EID:5722 223c9620
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Marilyn Burge <=-
MB> Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.
AS> If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves, and the truth
AS> is not in us.
Oboy! Dueling quotes! Who has the banjo?
Uh...Al, you just pointed out another biblical contradiction.
... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so...
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: GOD: PSYCHOPATHIC LIA
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:20:00
EID:a9e7 223c9a80
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan Deboer <=-
Jd> Youv'e created your god in your owm image, Al, someone who tries to
Jd> 'put one over' with every conceivable fallacy, false analogy and
AS> verbal trickery.
AS> Then why does the idea of hell still bother me?
Because you still have a shred of human decency left in you?
Because religion has not -totally- rotted your brain yet?
Build on that foundation, Al.
... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: NATIVE AMERICANS
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:50:00
EID:6aab 223c9e40
-=> Quoting Don Martin to Dan Ceppa <=-
RH> the travois will not move backwards.
DM> On the Great Plaines of the U.S., before the Coming of the White
DM> Man, U-turns were permitted.
Pay attention, Don. We were discussing the advantages of the travois.
Not rolling backwards, as a cart will do, is an advantage on rolling
ground.
DC> Such a device does have it's points. (Did I say that?) But,
DC> that's why brakes were invented.
See? HE understood the point.
DM> To help the travois move backward?
But you didn't.
... Pardon Me, But Would You Have Any Blue Poupon?
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: OF THREATS OF HELL...
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:54:00
EID:4e44 223c9ec0
-=> Quoting Mark Kimes to Al Schroeder <=-
AS> enough of such instances, even in non-Christian cultures...that the
AS> accumulated evidence for an afterlife experience might be considered
AS> worth investigating.
MK> ROFL! I guess you aren't aware that they can reproduce NDEs with a
MK> centrifuge, Al?
Really? Reference, please. Seriously, I'm interested.
... I can't believe that out of 100,000 sperm, you were the quickest. -
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: OMNI-SADISTIC
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:57:00
EID:bb88 223c9f20
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Robert Curry <=-
AS> You know, it's odd how some people will castigate simplistic
AS> fallacies in others and not notice it in themselves. Presence doesn't
AS> mean identity. Jesus specifically identifies Himself with the
AS> downtrodden, not the oppressor.
But Al, you started it, by claiming God was experiencing the rape
because of it. Are you retracting omnipresent then?
... Do what you will with this tagline, just don't bother me about it!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: PROPHESY THIS!
|Date: 28 Jan 97 20:01:00
EID:12c6 223ca020
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> Judith, I'm sorry, I can't answer questions about freewill, God, and
AS> the existence of the universe in two sentences. People write books and
AS> books and books about this stuff. It's easy to go...well..."Is not!"
AS> It's harder
AS> to actually answer the question, and not have a simplification which
AS> makes little sense, without expanding it.
Oh hell, Al, I can do it in one sentence.
The first two do not exist and we're still debating the third.
How's that?
... Fun, fun, fun, 'til her daddy takes her Blue Wave away!
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Tag that line!
|Date: 27 Jan 97 16:34:00
EID:b315 223b8440
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 32efd83d
TID: GE 1.11+
Making a good die roll, Fredric Rice cast Tag that line! at Jason Harmon
.. and all hell broke loose.
DC> ... "Your weapon of love is making me feel all fuzzy inside." J
DC> Harmon ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
jh> I've been taglined by God Dan! I finally have a status symbol!
FR> That's step #1. Next comes getting in the FAQ. _Then_ you need to
FR> get a curse laid upon you by a fundamentalist -- to "save" you, of
FR> course. }:-}
FR> When you get all three tokens, you win an award. }:-}
You forgot about getting "Mistered" by Staal.
--Wolfie
"HEY! No step on flowers, stupid ape!"
-Moonspinner
lupus Fianna Galliard
Keeper of the Land, High Park Sept, Toronto
... "I brake for animals; I floor it for Fundies!"
--- GEcho 1.11+
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: ALL
|Sub: IIIIIIII'mmmmmmmmm bbbbaaaacccckkkk!!!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:35:27
EID:4e00 223dac60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 2f0094c0
And just when you thought it was safe to post again. I've
got a HUGE mail packet ready, since all I have of HS for the
last month was old packets, which I've now scoured clean.
Watch for it in a day or so.
It's nice to be back, btw. I can't tell you how much I've
missed this place . . .
Quid, Me Anxius Sum?
Richard
Smith
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:19:00
EID:17e9 223daa60
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 2309e8da
26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marty Leipzig to Jan deBoer:
ML> 8.73289174129: the cube root of the Beast
ML> 89.9139703657: the arctangent of the Beast
ML> 999...the Number of the Beast in Australia.
Don't forget-
666F: oven temperature for Roast Beast.
25 or 666 to 4: Chicago tune of the Beast.
Phillips 666: gas station of the Beast.
edweird
... Herbie the sperm turned & shouted, "Go back! It's just a blowjob!"
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: al debunks apple sauc
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:30:14
EID:c3b5 223dabc0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 cf17fc52
26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marty Leipzig to Don Martin:
DM> "Euripides?"
DM> "No, they just tore by themselves."
LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL! LOL!
LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL! LOL!
LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!
ML> "This is the story of Oedipus Rex.
ML> You may have heard of his odd complex.
ML> His name appears in Freud's index.
ML> Because he loved his mother."
ML> "So be kind to your mother,
ML> take her to lunch, have a chat.
ML> Or maybe buy her a brand new hat.
ML> Perhaps you'd better leave it at that.
ML> Or you'll end up with a rather complex complex,
ML> Like old Oedipus,
ML> [I'd rather marry a duckbilled platypus],
ML> Than be like old Oedipus Rex!"
A young man named Oedipus Rex
Found a babe who exuded pure sex
They ravished each other
'Til they both did discover
The wench was his mother
Now they're total pathological wrecks.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: MAYBE A Change In Plans
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:41:51
EID:cdf5 223dad20
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 1ac4a881
21 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from DAVID RICE to ALL:
DR> California. That person would pay her ot his expenses
DR> (I cannot afford the fare to send her or him back).
DR> Conversely, if the power boat owner's spouse does not
DR> let him take his boat to Florida, I will be shoving
DR> off to the Marquesas on time, the first or second
DR> week of April 1997.
Since you are obviously doing this just to see how many shades
of green you can turn me, I suppose I should try to get a photo
scanned so I can file attach it and maybe you'll consider the job
finished and stop doing this to me. It freaks people out when I
show up at work the color of guacamole. :)
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: Orion?
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:50:38
EID:b0db 223dae40
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 d4ac7a66
REPLY: 1:105/302.666 14350133
27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marilyn Burge to Quentin Fai:
MB> On (25 Jan 97) Quentin Fai babbled to Judith Bandsma...
QF> I need to glue his leg back on, though. My brother put a box of donuts
QF> on top of my computer, and accidentally knocked him over. I have to
QF> find a more secure place to put him, but he just looks so damned neat
QF> on top of my
QF> computer.
MB> Maybe if you invested in a small package of Play-Doh you could
MB> use four small dollops of it on his feet to get them to "stick"
MB> to the top of your computer. I'm not positive it would work,
MB> but it seems like it might.
Myself, I'm a heavy consumer of that double-sticky-sided foam tape
for mounting (huh huh) pictures. Keeps the klutz of a cat, Buttwink,
from knocking things all over whenever he has one of his schizoid
spells and suddenly bolts for no fucking reason whatsoever, usually
from whatever place has the most knick-knacks.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:09:06
EID:d7fd 223db120
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27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Judith Bandsma to Jonathan Fingas:
-=> Jonathan Fingas spoke thusly to Don Martin <=-
JF> It shows that you're not intelligent enough to come up with real words
JF> or more useful and valid insults.
JB> May a syphillitic camel give birth to twins in your living room and
JB> mistake you for the afterbirth.
Thanks a pantload. Your aim was just a little off.
Now I've got a bloody mess in my Maytag.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: FAQ!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:12:04
EID:d130 223db180
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26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Martin Goldberg to Ed Mills:
MG> No, you said "stockard" but I layed carol on you just for fun.
EM> The "Stockard" got edited out, for some reason. Not
EM> Carol. Now I have to go puke again.
EM> Did you see "Kingpin?" There's a funny scene where
EM> Harrelson hugs porcelain after screwing his hideous landlady for
MG> I almost never go to movies.
I hardly do, either. VCR.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: The Fickle Finger
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:14:54
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26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Martin Goldberg to Ed Mills:
EM> George, I've accepted the Lord as my personal saviour.
MG> I've always wondered what this "personal savior" bullshit was about.
MG> Is it something like a deoderant?
No, it's more like a really humongous Fleet enema.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Hi Ed
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:19:14
EID:aeee 223db260
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27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Mimi Milstein to Ed Mills:
GM> Hang in there and persevere - there *is* a reward ahead for
GM> all of us who believe in the shed blood of Jesus.
MM> Congratulation Edweird - it worked :-)))
Not quite in time for the last installment of Esquire's "Dubious
Achievement Awards," alas.
I was told to watch out what I prayed for, or I might just get
it. Not me, no sir, uh uh. :)
edweird
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:24:22
EID:e4cb 223d8b00
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Pa> to say, sure.. But not like it blasphemes His name or anything..
DW> Actually, "fuck" has never been much of a vulgarism. The word originated
DW> on naval vessels. When a sailor was caught unlawfully
DW> fooling around in port, the reason for punishment was entered in the
log
DW> as "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", or the acronym F.U.C.K. for short.
DW> Most other words of this sort (piss and shit, for example) have a long
DW> history as well, going as far back as Chaucer. In fact, the labeling
of
DW> them as "profanities" is a relatively recent, and mainly American,
DW> phenomenon.
Pity American society had to go and cheapen a natural act like that.. Does
this mean American society is more obsessed with sex and bodily functions
than other societies?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:26:10
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Pa> And if you do your homework, you will discover most of the foundign
Pa> father of the USA, were Christians..
ML> Fleeing from Christian tyranny.
Nope, but nice try.. Rather, they were escaping from religious tyranny.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: RE: MOST READ BOOK
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:28:10
EID:a103 223d8b80
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BB>> Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions,
BB>> set up to terrify and
BB>> enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit..." (1)
KY> That is not the church, but rather, manmade churches.. I am speaking
KY> more of Christianity itself..
BB> There is a big difference between a single Christian and a church. At
any
BB> rate, the same quote would apply to Christianity in
BB> general. Even organized
BB> religion in general. Diety constucts are human inventions, no more or
no
BB> less. Behind the bunnies and white light theology, there are far more
BB> mistanthropic ulterior motives.
Not Christianity in general, but rather, manmade Christianity. In other
words, religious dogma. True Christianity is another thing entirely..
How do you know that every single diety that has been thought of, has just
been thought of? Isn't it at least possible that a supernatural being created
all of this?
KY> Actually, I tend to agree.. Many churches could
KY> be good, but sometimes
KY> when a denomination is involved, they get too big
KY> for their britches..
BB> What, in particular, is good about churches?? Give me some examples.
Well, seeing as you won't believe so more will get saved, I will give you
other examples..
CHurches often help those in need, whether it be those without food, shelter,
whatever.. Many churches feed the homeless, when there is a disaster, they
will send people to help, and they help the less fortunate around the world,
as well.
ALso, there have been churches to have very successful programs to help
people get out of drugs and alchohol.. One of the most succesful programs
is Teen Challenge, which comes from the Assmeblies Of God, a Pentecostal
denomination..
Besides all that, even if you don't believe, worship does do a lot of good
for many peoples' spirits.. It uplifts them.
Now, if I may ask, what in particular, is bad about churches?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: RE: READING INCOMPREHENSI
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:41:38
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BB>
BB>> disturb the fundamentalists, who claim to follow the
KY> Actually, of the churches I have been in, it seems that men and women
KY> speak in tounges in church, pretty equally..
BB> Not in any of the tongue speaking churches *I* have been to (mostly
BB> pentecostal and assemblies of god). I've found, in my
BB> own observation, that
BB> women did the speaking in tongues 90% percent of the time, and the men
did
BB> the interpretation nearly 100%.
That much? Was it usually the same women?
Well, all I can say, is I usually have seen it fairly equally, with women
maybe slightly more, but not by much..
Now, I will say that some are likely just trying to show off, but with many,
it is a very real experience..
Hmm.. Oh well.. The churches I have been in, is seemed men did do the majority
of interpretations, but I would say maybe by 75%.
KY> How is it not following biblical directives? Paul says women are not
KY> to speak in church.. Well, one could argue that it is not the woman
KY> that is speaking, but God.
BB> Any evidence of this?? Concrete evidence, m'dear.
I said, "one could argue.." The general belief is that the authors of
the Bible were just tools of God, and they were not the ones that came up
with the stuff.. The same way, one when speaking in church should be really
saying whatever God lies on their heart.
BB>> the woman not to teach or to exercise authority over men...."
KY> What is meant there is that women should be
KY> careful that they don't let
KY> pride and vanity get the better of them..
BB> And men are not subject to the same standards?? My, my...how misogynistic.
As I said already, though you apparently think is a crock, men and women
are very different. We may be equal, but with different traits, generally
given to each of the two sexes..
KY> Men and women obviously were made differently, so doesn't it stand to
KY> reason that they might have different roles in life?
BB> No, it doesn't. The only thing that really sets us apart are genitals.
BB> Feeling threatened because women are moving in on your
BB> precious "territory"?
SO, men are no more masculine than women? Women are no more feminine than
men? Generally, one in each sex, has certain roles to play.
Territory? I am not exactly the typical guy, so I would actually love to
be the one raising the kids at home, and all of that stuff. But I know
that usually, that is just not how it is meant to be.
And actually if a woman can do a job usually thought of as a man's job,
better than a man, she is welcome to it, in my book.. However, that is
a very rare situation.
KY> Maybe because it isn't a religion of suppression,
KY> but rather, a belief
KY> system of freedom.
BB> A system of freedom? What a fucking joke. Where's the freedom in it?
More than anything else, because you have the free will to believe or not..
KY> adults.. That is because they are not fully
KY> developed, and need time to
KY> find out what type of person they are. That being the case, someone
KY> needs to make sure they are doing what is right, and to a point,
KY> control them.. AFter all, you wouldn't let a kid do whatever he
KY> wanted, would you?
BB> How the hell are they supposed to find out what type of
BB> person they are when
BB> someone such as yourself would spend all your time shoving your religious
BB> dogma down their throats?? It wasn't until I was *far*
BB> away from my parents
Actually, I do not think I would shove my religious beliefs down my kids'
throats, though that would depend upon your definition of "shoving beliefs
down one's throat." I have found, that often when religion is forced, the
kids turn against it..
I will tell them how I feel, and what I believe, but the decision will still
be theirs.
There must be an in between.. You need to let your kids be kids and grow
up, but at the same time be there to give them the proper discipline.
BB> that I began to find out who I really am, what I want
BB> out of life. And who is
BB> to determine what is "right"? "Right" is a very subjective term. What
I
BB> consider right may be something you consider abhorent.
Keeping that in mind, then you cannot really say that Christianity is definitely
"wrong."
BB> A parent's job is one
BB> more of guidance than of control. You can let your
BB> child know your thoughts
BB> on something, but in the end, it will be the child
BB> making the decision, and
BB> the child suffering the consequences of whatever
BB> decisions they make. That's
BB> how they learn, m'dear. What you are proposing is downright child abuse.
Child abuse? So, do you believe we shouldn't discipline our children at
all?
It is of control somewhat, I believe.. You just need to know when to let
go of how much control. Shouldn't a parent have some "control" over her
2-year-old?
BB>> do.
KY> Not all forms of Christianity are as dogmatic as some.. And just
KY> because your step-father greatly abused the Bible
BB> for his own purposes,
KY> does not mean all Christians are like this.
BB> Yet, my step-father was held up as a shining example of Christianity
while
BB> for his own purposes,
May I ask what type of church, denomination wise this was in?
Well, just because one is accepted, doesn't mean anything about his character.
They may have thought highly of him, but I pretty sure they didn't know
what he was doing, either.
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 29 Jan 97 18:16:08
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KY> Accept it or not, Christianity is about love.. Not quite a Nazi
KY> belief..
DH> You poor, pathetic, ignorant bastard. You condemn people for grouping
DH> violent xtians in with nonviolent ones. Do you not know enough
DH> history to realize that in pre-war Germany, Nazi was equivalent
DH> to Republican?
I never said anything in favor of Republicans, either.
DH> Any decent family, common-sense-oriented voter in Germany that
DH> helped bring Hitler to power would have simply said that as events
DH> unfolded, Hitler and the SS were Not-True-Nazi's. Just like you
DH> with your Not-True-Christian, you sheltered moron.
I would agree that he wasn't a true Christian. Hitler was an Occultist.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 29 Jan 97 18:19:34
EID:6294 223d9260
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KY> But God is not human.. He is perfect, and just the fact that many
KY> of us don't see that, shows how very imperfect the human
KY> race is.
MG> Perfect? Why does he starve people to death?
I wasn't aware God did that.. People do that all on their own.
I doubt very much if he is specifically keeping food from people..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: So Long
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:24:00
EID:441d 22379b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74a50
* On 27-12-96 at 13:37, AL SCHROEDER wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "So Long" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> MG> No one need call my wife about his, as she is about to die from
AS> MG> picking all the almonds out of the mixed nuts again.
AS> Well, that does it.
AS> No way a merciful God could allow an abomination like that song.
AS> I guess I'm going to have to become an atheist...
I wish you would get a wriggle on and denounce your faith and
make a pact with us atheists and agnostics today :) :)
Rod "...you can be just like Michael Hardy, Al" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A Magick Book that sticks with you: The VELCRONOMICON
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: The steve winter faq [
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:28:02
EID:1413 22379b80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74b42
* On 21-12-96 at 19:52, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to DON MARTIN,
on the topic of "The steve winter faq [2/2" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> And Concentric has him by the balls with their counter-suit because
all
JB> they need is just what they have...copies of his posts from about 40
JB> different sources, and his own agreement to their terms of service.
The
JB> reason they aren't caving in and paying him off is because they know
JB> they are right and it will essentially bankrupt him when it goes to
court.
JB> When that happens, Stevie's going to be too broke to afford the stamps
for
JB> snail mail and I doubt if ANY ISP in the country would take a chance
on
JB> him. It will be justice to see him get himself thrown out of the computer
JB> community from his own actions.
I have one fear...
He'll then scream "martyr" and his bleating sheep followers will
bankroll him further :(
Maybe we can get a court order to enforce a cancelbot against any
Steve Winter posts :)
Rod "...the moron deserves to be removed from the net for a
loooong time" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * C programmer run, C programmer crash, C programmer quit.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: the other shoe
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:47:06
EID:188d 22379de0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74fba
* On 29-12-96 at 11:47, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "the other shoe" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> August 13th? I wondered about you complimenting me for something months
AS> ago. Now you are castigating me for it, too?
I never complimented you :)
AS> I notice you are also doing
AS> similar things to Marilyn and others. And people thought _I_ must have
a
AS> lot of time...you are going back and reading Holy Smoke for MONTHS
back?
Actually, no. I've been too busy to get back to the packets :)
AS> RS> This melodramatic clap-trap still does not validate the fact that
AS> RS> you deprived David of his LIBERTIES of choice and control over
AS> RS> his own affairs.
AS> RS> Your interference meant you played god with another person's
AS> RS> life, and now the lives of a number of people. You have lost all
AS> RS> respect earned in the views of others because of your unethical
AS> RS> behaviour.
AS> RS> If you had done this same thing to me, I would be castigating you
AS> RS> further than I am now.
AS> RS> What right did you have to play God? What right did you have for
AS> RS> YOUR choices to override David's choices? What right did you
AS> RS> have to usurp David's decisions and choices and institute your
AS> RS> own?
AS> RS> What right did you have in telling others about David, rather
AS> RS> than David doing it on his own time, and in his own way -- if
AS> RS> necessary at all?
AS> RS> Now, after answering all those questions, reanswer them
AS> RS> substituting "RESPONSIBILITY" for "RIGHT"
AS> RS> You will find you are NOT responsible for David's life,
AS> RS> happiness, or choices. Ergo, you should not override them.
AS> RS> Your actions are an insult to all other humans who value their
AS> RS> freedom, Al.
AS> RS> Rod "... if you'd abused my freedoms and choices the way you have
AS> RS> done with David, I'd not be wanting to commit suicide anymore,
AS> RS> but retribution..." Swift :(
AS> Rod. While you're looking through old posts, look for one that ends
with
AS> me saying, "As far as I'm concerned, the 'Other Shoe' is DROPPED."
AS> I could comment about a lot of things. But the key to it was two
AS> misunderstandings or misassumptions...I assumed an individual knew
more
AS> about the matter than they did, and a different individual assumed
I knew
AS> more about another matter than I did.
I see it as a plain case of you being a nosey person :) I find
this an outrageous thing. I also tried to stay away from the
Rice issue, and move towards a pre-emptive warning -- don't mess
with my private life.
AS> Neither will be explicitedly laid out to you. The matter is dropped.
Too bad. You could have learned from it.
AS> No other posts concerning the matter will EVER be responded to by me.
You
AS> have not the information to understand, and I by no means am going
to give
AS> it.
What else could we expect from fundies... No disproof of our
lack-of-beliefs :) Spoiled brat, take the ball, bat and
homeplate... Go on... bye!
Take a powder already!
AS> I am only responding to you NOW because it was before your time here,
AS> and you may not have come across that post yet. Nor will I respond
to it
AS> from anyone else.
Don't make silly assumptions. I was reading for months before I
posted :)
AS> I notice in another post you accused me of "sucking up" to you.
You were all over me, delving for personal information, no doubt
for your dossier on me :)
AS> Now, if you will excuse me, I will go back to reading the article
about
AS> TIME's man of the year.
I love you, Al. Honestly. All you have to do is give up your
delusional religion :)
Rod "...we do, honestly" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Database administrators do it with their relations.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:49:08
EID:ed89 22379e20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75034
* On 29-12-96 at 02:40, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (21 Dec 96) Rod Swift wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> RS> On 11-08-96 at 20:14, JIM STAAL wrote to RICHARD SMITH:
JS> RS> Bullshit. Many ex-Davidians had reported the acts perpetrated
JS> RS> inside the cult's ranks. There'd even been quite indepth
JS> RS> journalist reports into the cult's activities, the division and
JS> RS> rift that formed that led Vernon Howell to the leadership of the
JS> RS> cult and the ousting of previous cult leaders, etc, etc.
JS> But there was no proof.
You say that so boldly. Wasn't there a congressional
investigation?
Rod "...oh, that's not evidence. It's not in your bible (which
alternates, probably, between the Holy Bible, and the guidebook
issued by the Michigan Militia, no?)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Nuke a godless homeless commie gay baby whale for Christ!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:50:10
EID:3b03 22379e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75072
* On 29-12-96 at 02:42, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> They have the right, but I do agree that the government cannot legislate
JS> JS> morality, and that, inasmuch as it does no harm to someone else,
the
JS> JS> country wouldl be better off financially if the drug laws were relaxed
JS> JS> in regards to use and possession.
JS> RS> So you believe that all laws against criminalising the sexual
JS> RS> acts of gay people practiced in private settings should be also
JS> RS> removed?
JS> Are there still any enforced? Either way, yes, it is their business.
Yes, it is on the books in about 2 dozen states :) Didn't you
know this, Jimson?
JS> RS> How about the removal of bans against recognising same-gender
JS> RS> marriages as legally binding unions in civil law? Or will gay
JS> RS> people of religion (and irreligion, who wish civil marriage) be
JS> RS> still denied their religious and/or civil freedoms?
JS> Nope. Please post a duly recognized definition of marriage.
So you believe in sexual freedom, but not relationship freedom,
for gay and lesbian people? How do you explain this
contradiction?
Rod "...isn't it 'their business'?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rotisserie: A ferris wheel for chickens!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Goodbye /1 02
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:51:12
EID:79d6 22379e60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e750b0
* On 29-12-96 at 02:45, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Goodbye /1" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> I must say you must live on a pink cloud to have let yourself been
delud
JS> JS> by these women. Their general purpose here has been clear to me
from the
JS> JS> beginning: they hate men in general, and Christian men in particular.
JS> RS> They're FEMINAZIS huh?
JS> AMEN! Preach on, my brother. (tic)
This is what I like about you Jim. You're so vacuous. If you
don't know what it means, look it up in the dictionary, Mr
Erudite :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, himbo" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death: to stop sinning suddenly.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Your Daily Brother Jim
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:52:14
EID:3d55 22379e80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e750ee
* On 29-12-96 at 02:45, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Your Daily Brother Jim" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RS> Isn't fire a defoliant? Use that :)
JS> RS> Are you willing to admit that Agent Orange was used for more
JS> RS> destructive purposes such as enemy anti-personnel attacks?
JS> RS> Then again, this is exactly the sort of stuff that makes me think
JS> RS> you're head isn't filled with brain cells. In fact...
JS> Whatever...my question is where do you dig up these ancient jposts?
But you didn't answer the question, Jim, about defoliants :)
And they were from packets I didn't have a chance to get to until
November/December :)
Rod "...saving is erstwhile :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Person+delusion=psychosis. People+delusion=religion.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Goodbye /1
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:54:16
EID:a831 22379ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75168
* On 29-12-96 at 02:46, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Goodbye /1" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS>...Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but it hurts when I insert
'em.
JS> RS> Didn't your mother tell you they were good for haemorrhoids?
JS> RS> Start shoving away... Trust me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
JS> Ahhh you are correct!
JS> ... I want to take the Crash Course In Brain Surgery...
You're a silly one, Jim :) :)
Your degree from Calvin College that you never achieved was a
major in English and proctology, right?
Rod "...'nuff said" Swift ;)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If it doesn't work, it's physics.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:58:18
EID:f601 22379f40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e7525a
* On 29-12-96 at 02:48, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> JS> JS> You were in Vietnam?
JS> JS> JS> DC> If he was, it was _Viet Nam_, "English Major".
JS> JS> KS> JS>So what has that to do with speaking/spelling Gook, eh?
JS> JS> KS> You really are an asshole.
JS> JS> JS> You really get to be at a loss for words, don't you?
JS> JS> rs> he's right, you racist asshole.
JS> JS> Racist? In what manner?
In the fact it is perjorative.
JS> RS> Can you please explain the context and meaning of the word "gook"
JS> RS> as you have used it above?
JS> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
Actually, it is not obvious. However, given this "admission" of
yours, do you still admit that it is a perjorative term against
an ethnics group's language, and hence the ethnic group?
Isn't saying "gook" in the context you claim the same as saying:
"Those people speak 'nigger'"? That is, still perjorative?
JS> RS> Did you use it as a perjorative against people of Asian ethnicity?
JS> Not by any means.
Did you realise it is implied, and that you really should
apologise and use proper English?
Hey, and aren't you an English language major? You should know
better.
JS> RS> If you did, you're a racist asshole :)
JS> RS> If you did NOT, please do tell us how you did mean to use it! :)
JS> See above...
We've still deduced whether it was describing a Vietnamese
person, or a Vietnamese person's language, it is perjorative!
Rod "...squirm if you must, Jim, but you really should apologise"
Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * "Bones! That, feels, wonderful, yes!" "It's head, Jim!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: wisdom
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:59:20
EID:7cd0 22379f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75298
* On 29-12-96 at 03:08, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "wisdom" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RS> I'm the mortal enemy of alt.org.promisekeepers. The PromiseFilth
JS> RS> in that newsgroup don't like dissenting opinion -- to the point
JS> RS> of cancelling my posts...
JS> Poor baby. Maybe if your arguments dealt with fact instead of some Fred
JS> Rice preconcieved bull shit, it might be different.
Oh, I'm in league with Fred Rice now? For the record, I was
posting such wonderful things as news reports about the
Promisefilth, and their abusive and violent attendees :)
Rod "...*bwahahahah* I take that as a compliment, by the way!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Beam me up Scotty. There's no intelligent life here!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:01:22
EID:ed89 2237a020
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75312
* On 29-12-96 at 03:09, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (21 Dec 96) Rod Swift wrote to Karl Schneider...
JS> RS> On 16-08-96 at 07:58, KARL SCHNEIDER wrote to JIM STAAL:
JS> JS>Thank you. Basically, it consists of visiting a discusting place
(the
JS> JS>police station), getting a form, researching the court dockets of
1978
JS> KS> Ah. The police station is a disgusting place.
JS> KS> But you hang out in biker bars.
JS> KS> Figures.
JS> RS> You have a better chance of getting some rough 'n' ready sex from
JS> RS> the Blue Oyster bar than the local cop shop :) :)
JS> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to find rough n ready
JS> sex. get real, will ya?
Jim, you should try it once in a while. It's better than Wilbur,
the branding irons, and you being Mr Ed :)
Rod "...yeeeowch! Better make that the Hellfire Club!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Paranoia is *total* awareness!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:02:24
EID:4e20 2237a040
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75350
* On 30-12-96 at 15:29, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> js> Racist? In what manner?
RS> Duh!
He is that dumb... :)
RS> RS> Can you please explain the context and meaning of the word "gook"
RS> RS> as you have used it above?
RS> js> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
RS> Has anyone pointed out to Jimson that the word `gook' is not
RS> part of the Vietnamese language?
Yes.
RS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
Perjorative to the maximum, Richard.
Rod "...he should apologise and recant" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I'm not dead. I am metabolically challenged.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:03:26
EID:9887 2237a060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e7538e
* On 25-12-96 at 00:03, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> DC> JS> S'matter, Danny-boy? Wake up on the wrong side of the cot?
LB> DC> No, dickhead. I'm tired your fucking whining.
LB> RS> He needs some nice gouda to go with his w(h)ine, Dan. :) :)
LB> RS> And I'm sure you're the type of man who is willing to take that
LB> RS> gouda and feed it to Jimmy....
LB> But...I thought atheist didn't DO any gouda things!
Praise Cheeses, Sister Lynda :)
Rod "... and pass the communion salsa and chips!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Psychoceramics - the study of crackpots!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:24:28
EID:3b03 22387b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e863ac
* On 30-12-96 at 22:51, JIM STAAL wrote to STEVE QUARRELLA,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> SQ> Staal is so cute when he's showing his machismo. I bet he wears
his
JS> SQ> wife's underwear.
JS> Tried a bit of that back in the late 70's. The cups were too big and
the
JS> underwire cut into my pecks. :) The little stretch girddle thingey
JS> (fashionable in the early 70') however, with a proper crotch cutout,
was
JS> kinda fun.
You know, you and Steingrobe would make an excellent au pair :)
After all, he's the one bemoaning that if there is anyone that
likes to "wear dresses" and the rest of feminine attire in the
#holysmoke chat channel, or here, it'd be me.
Rod "...I'm surprised he didn't pick, say, one of the females :)" Swift
:)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The real world is a special case.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [2/2] oh wells
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:26:30
EID:0bff 22387b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86426
* On 29-12-96 at 16:25, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to CURTIS JOHNSON,
on the topic of "[2/2] oh wells" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> CJ> Meanwhile, he constitutionally *cannot* let the Curry
LB> CJ> e-mail thing die (has Al ever let a thread die a natural death?)
LB> Nope.
LB> CJ> and Rod Swift has just revived his Rice Brothers fiasco.
LB> hehe...which will only get him all righteously offended at Kat, Judith
and I
LB> again. Sprinkle sprinkle sprinkle..
I told you that I was working on my harpy nomination :)
Or maybe we need a new category for the fairer gender (namely
males :) called hellions :)
Rod "...I'd like to be one of the two :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: I KNEW it!
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:27:32
EID:4323 22387b60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86464
* On 30-12-96 at 15:26, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "I KNEW it!" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> };> Jimson Staalin wrote in a message to Rod Swift <:(
RS> js> ... Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but
RS> js> it hurts when I insert 'em.
RS> RS> Didn't your mother tell you they were good
RS> RS> for haemorrhoids? Start shoving away... Trust
RS> RS> me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
RS> js> Ahhh you are correct!
RS> LOL . . . the truth is finally out, as is Jimson . . .
BINGO! :)
Rod "...now, to enter him into the pride parade with his
'carrots' :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Let's support Less Characters sent in Echoes Year 1997!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Tagline!
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:29:34
EID:6ce0 22387ba0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e864de
* On 30-12-96 at 15:36, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Tagline!" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> };> Jimson Staalin wrote in a message to Rod Swift <:(
RS> js> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to find
RS> js> rough n ready sex. get real, will ya?
RS> I swear, there's a tagline there someplace . . .
RS> ... I go there with my wife to find rough n ready sex. -J. Staalin
I wanna know where he goes when they are not on vacation, for
that rough n ready sex :)
Rod "...either way, it's definitely FAQ material :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Smegma Staalin
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:00:36
EID:208a 22399000
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d9c4
* On 30-12-96 at 15:38, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Smegma Staalin" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> RS> Have you heard the rumor that the Mormons, aided by the
RS> RS> Promise Keepers, are planning on organizing another million
RS> RS> man march on Washington?
RS> js> No. That _fact_ is, that Promise Keepers is organizing the
RS> js> first million man march on Washington.
RS> ^^^^^
RS> ROFLMGDAO . . . gads, I don't have the heart to tell the lil'
RS> feller . . . . . .
Well, in Jimson's world, black people probably don't exist :) Neither
do gay people probably. Both those groups have had marches of more
than 500,000 in Washington :)
RS> You know, you just can't buy entertainment like this.
That's why it should be in the FAQ :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass us the laughbarrel :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Re: Pray Contest
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:32:38
EID:8cd5 22387c00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86596
* On 30-12-96 at 18:18, CARL POLLOCK wrote to RICHARD SMITH,
on the topic of "Re: Pray Contest" in echo Holysmoke:
CP> RS@> Which God would that be?
CP> The God which BILLIONS around the world love and trust.
Oh, Buddha? :) :) Gotta love all those Asian worshippers :)
CP> RS@> Don't worry . . . we'll use brand new shiny prayers.
CP> That's not funny
Yes it is. Burn an incense stick, boy-o!
CP> RS@> Why does your Deity want children to starve or burn to death?
CP> "And we know that ALL things work togeather for the good of
CP> those who love him,
CP> who have been called accrding to his purpose." Romans 8:28, NIV
So killing kids or starving them (either of the options offered
to you) is a *good work* for the Lord!?
My, that's nearly as good as a "BIG WIN!" for the scientologists! :)
CP> Sencerly,
CP> Carl Pollock
Rod "...if only you had some sence (sic)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Gawd was wrong?
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:35:40
EID:2d89 22387c60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e8664c
* On 28-12-96 at 21:32, DAVID RICE wrote to ALAN HESS,
on the topic of "Gawd was wrong?" in echo Holysmoke:
DR> AH> Let me get this straight - God is supposed to
DR> AH> be perfect. This perfect god gives a set of
DR> AH> laws to man. 2,000 years ago, this perfect god
DR> AH> allegedly sent a man to tell his people, "I was
DR> AH> wrong - you don't have to obey my original
DR> AH> perfect laws any more. Here's a new set from
DR> AH> me that supercede the perfect laws I originally
DR> AH> gave you. My son is here to tell you the new
DR> AH> laws, as well as which of the old laws you should
DR> AH> still follow. His followers will clarify everything
DR> AH> in their books."
DR> In the Bible Jesus said he was not come to change the
DR> law (convenant with the chief Hebrew god Yahweh). But
DR> then, of course, he is said to do so---- the Bible
DR> has it both ways.
But that was God's plan.... So his hypocritical followers could
point to OT laws and condemn others. Then when they suffer from
the ol' "do not judge others, lest they judge you" crap, they
hide behind lies like "Jesus came to save us from the OT laws".
What a bunch of hypocritical nasties they are.
Rod "...you're right on the money, David. Don't ever let the
Jeezoids get away with it" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Brain over. Insert coin.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:42:42
EID:991d 22387d40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e867f2
* On 22-12-96 at 12:40, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> PEACE ON EARTH
... will be achieved when we eliminate all hostile, xenophobic,
conquering religions. Islam and Christianity should be the first
to go, along with the Scientologists!
GM> NO GOD, NO PEACE;
GM> KNOW GOD, KNOW PEACE.
And our motto will be:
NO GOD, KNOW PEACE
KNOW GOD, NO PEACE
Rod "...ours also has equal line lengths, so *nyah* :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * He's your God, they're your rules, YOU burn in hell!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:44:44
EID:991d 22387d80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e8686c
* On 23-12-96 at 11:33, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> WHILE THE WORLD SLEEPS
... there are probably hundreds of paedophilic clergy doing the
ol' horizontal tap-dance with some kids.
GM> THE BEST GIFT IN THE WORLD
GM> WAS WRAPPED IN A MANGER.
I thought the best gifts in the worlds came wrapped in condoms? :)
Rod "...I dunno. Maybe you should ask those sicko priests if
they are using protection..." Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:45:46
EID:991d 22387da0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e868aa
* On 24-12-96 at 11:39, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> EARTH WALK
... actually, it orbits, but what else could you expect from
someone who believes in a book which states pi = 3.0 and the
world is flat with four corners, and the sun goes around the
Earth... *guffaw*
GM> GOD MADE HIS HOME WITH US
GM> THAT WE MIGHT MAKE OUR HOME WITH GOD.
Isn't that nice... What if I don't want to live with this
sycophantic, didactic moron?
Rod "...huh, what then?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:46:48
EID:991d 22387dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e868e8
* On 25-12-96 at 11:29, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> BETTER THAN HAPPINESS
GM> HAPPINESS DEPENDS ON HAPPENINGS;
GM> JOY DEPENDS ON JESUS.
I thought joy would depend on joy.
It is truly sad that religious types can't feel joyous in their
lives without an external imaginary being.
Rod "...sad... truly sad." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:48:50
EID:991d 22387e00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86962
* On 26-12-96 at 11:23, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> "I FORGOT"
... a common excuse when religiods are asked to provide evidence
for what they say.
Other excuses include "the dog ate my evidence", "I left my
evidence at home, miss", and "the cat used my evidence as toilet
training paper".
GM> DAILY BLESSINGS ARE DAILY REMINDERS OF GOD.
I have a daily blessing, just after I wake up in the morning. It
reminds me of God too as I flush.
Rod "...*splooosh* *glug glug* another high-quality
crap-for-Jesus :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:49:52
EID:991d 22387e20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e869a0
* On 27-12-96 at 11:41, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> SIN'S DEADLY WAGES
Sin should get a new job at a workplace that doesn't endanger
his/her health.
GM> TO GET TO HEAVEN,
GM> IT'S WHO YOU KNOW THAT COUNTS!
Pat Robertson? Ralph Reed? Jerry Falwell? Lou Sheldon? James
Kennedy? They all sell "Get into heaven free cards" as part of
your *lovegift* to their ministries :)
Rod "... I know those morons. Do I get into heaven free now?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: The patriotic art of lying for one's country.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:50:54
EID:991d 22387e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e869de
* On 28-12-96 at 11:29, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> CONFIDENT PEOPLE
... don't have Jesus.
GM> WORRY ENDS WHERE FAITH IN GOD BEGINS.
... no, dear boy. THINKING ends where FAITH IN GOD begins.
Rod "...silly Christian" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus saves. Not on my salary he doesn't.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:37:56
EID:ff08 22398ca0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d474
* On 27-12-96 at 22:24, JIM STAAL wrote to CURTIS JOHNSON,
on the topic of "jesus needed..." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> CJ>> Aha. I think we've arrived at your real reason for
JS> CJ>> believing he had to have a penis.
JS> CJ>> Also interesting is your phrasing, which seems to indicate
JS> CJ>> that you think the penis is the man, hang the rest.
JS> JS> Not by any means. I was never the dude who was led around by his
dick.
JS> JS> I'm rather bashful in the shower room, as a matter of fact. To even
JS> JS> think such a thing would be as bad as judging a chick by the size
of her
JS> JS> hooters.
JS> CJ> Mr. English Major from Calvin College, you wrote "being a
JS> CJ> _man_ a penis is . . . "
JS> Necessary for gender indentification, as in: It's a boy!
Can you spell hermaphrodite? Gender dysphoria?
JS> CJ> We've established that Jesus did not need a penis to piss.
JS> What was He supposed to do? Spit out the urine?
So women don't urinate?
JS> CJ> And just who do you shower with that you're bashful?
JS> I was referring to 'public' shower rooms, like the gym, dude...
So not only you go to leather biker bars, you're now cruising the
gym. You're a 100% A-Grade gay slut, Jim :)
Rod "...admit it, Jimbozo" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Yogi Bear was a nudist buddhist.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:38:58
EID:c45c 22398cc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d4b2
* On 29-12-96 at 02:52, JIM STAAL wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "Oops, Caught Again" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> iJS> No, I believe the doctor was saying very clearly that 'Gwenny
JS> iJS> beating' is OK if the Gwenny (and she does) have a 'smart A** mouth.
JS> iJS> Nothing to do with wives in general. Gwenny in particular.
JS> FR> You Promise Keeper cultists are truely sickening, you know that,
Jim?
JS> Nope.
Please elucidate your policy on women who are insolent with
verbal attacks, dear boy :)
JS> FR> Your Christian evil disgusts me.
JS> And your refusal to recognize the truth of God is disgusting to me.
Cry us a river, little bitchling :)
Rod "....wahhh!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Participate in Throw a Christian to the Lions Year 1997!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:43:00
EID:ec48 22398d60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d5a4
* On 29-12-96 at 02:54, JIM STAAL wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "execute her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> Do not confuse Mormonism with Christianity.
They're both pointless...
JS> I see. What Bible do you read?
None. I don't have a need for superstition.
JS> Adultery, as you know, is a sin.
Actually, I don't know this. I don't have a concept of sin,
because I don't believe in your spookbook. However, I believe
adultery is immoral if it is done by one to harm the fidelic
relationship with their spouse -- however I didn't need a book to
tell me that is just respect for a person.
JS> GT>> Or maybe she enjoys abuse.
JS> JS> What abuse?
JS> Gt> Living with you.
JS> Evidence???
It is self-evident, Jim.
JS> Fly your butt out here and see for yourself. 4285 41st St. Grandville,
JS> MI
Oh boy. I might take you up on the offer. Any chance of you
getting in your leathers for the occasion?
JS> Again, just an apostate Mormon speaking. Meaningless...
Again, you're an apostate Christian speaking. Meaningless too!
Rod "...you're a moron, Jim, but we still love you and want to
liberate your soul!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * When in trouble or in doubt, run around, scream & shout!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Around the World in 80 P
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:50:02
EID:e4af 22398e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d74a
* On 29-12-96 at 02:59, JIM STAAL wrote to MICHAEL HARDY,
on the topic of "Around the World in 80 Pr" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> I disagree. The Bible is for all time and is not trapped in culture:
JS> (2 Tim 3:16 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
JS> teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
It's undeniable that the bible is becoming more and more of an
outdated document with less and less relevance for today's
society. I foresee the day when it will no longer be used as a
guide book to life, more as a mythbook to be laughed at.
One day, Jim, people will laugh and wonder why people ever
believed the Christian superstition book.
Here's some areas where the bible is no longer relevant:
* Where the bible says something that is contradicted by
science...
* Where the bible says something is bad for humanity and
is proven wrong by human practice...
* Where the bible has silly ceremonial lore that is no
longer relevant to today's lifestyle...
* Where the bible has customary practice in areas like
cleanliness and holiness that are irrelevant to today's
life...
* Where the bible contains illogical admonitions against
foods, fibres, farming, clothing, herding, etc, mainly
in Leviticus.
This aside the whole argument can be summarised very easily -- the
areas of research in the sciences and the humanities are an
ever-expanding area of knowledge. The bible is not an expanding
base of knowledge. One is dynamic, one is not. One has the
capacity to grow knowledge, one has the capacity only to limit
it. Hence, given all this, the bible will become more and more
irrelevant as time passes.
Rod "...hence leading to my conclusion -- one day the bible will
no longer matter to anyone." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Accept Jesus as my Saviour? Why, that'd be selfish!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:52:04
EID:20b4 22398e80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d7c4
* On 29-12-96 at 03:01, JIM STAAL wrote to DAVID RICE,
on the topic of "Literally Seaking" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> DR> #1) "Belief" in evolution is irrelivent: it is an
JS> DR> observed fact, not subject to "belief."
JS> Show me the 'observation' where man appeared.
Man's 'appearance' <> 'evolution'.
You should know this by now, Jimbozo.
JS> DR> #3) If you would like a short primer on mammal gender,
JS> DR> please bellow and I'll send a few hundred thousand bytes
JS> DR> on the subject your way. Give an e-mail address if you
JS> DR> want said data.
JS> Appreciate the effort, but it would be wasted. None-the-less, the
JS> address is: brojimmy@pipeline.com
So, at first you ask for information about evolution as observed
in mammals, and that scream that the onus of proof is on David -- then
when he offers to provide such evidence to you, you claim that
"it'd be a waste of time".
You can't have it both ways, Jimbozo.
Rod "...you're being disingenuous." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * DEVICE=EXXON.SYS may mess up your environment!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: jesus needed...
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:53:06
EID:ff08 22398ea0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d802
* On 29-12-96 at 03:03, JIM STAAL wrote to KAREN DAVIS,
on the topic of "jesus needed..." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> No. As Christ had to be fully human as well as fully God, He had
to
JS> JS> have a gender.
JS> KD> True, but the savior could as easily have been female.
JS> yes, but the jjpoint is, He wasn't. He was a man.
He was also gay, Jim. He was also a liberal, Jim.
Rod "... I offer you the chance to disprove the supporting
evidence to Jesus's sexual orientation" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dance is thought mad by those who can't hear the music.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:54:08
EID:0a20 22398ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d840
* On 29-12-96 at 03:05, JIM STAAL wrote to KAREN DAVIS,
on the topic of "Leviticus" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> ... A feminazi was injured...call a witch doctor!
Jimbozo's been injured. Call a vet :)
Rod "...*neigh* hello Wilbur!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The universe's most common elements: Hydrogen & Stupidity
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:56:10
EID:ec48 22398f00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d8ba
* On 29-12-96 at 03:18, JIM STAAL wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "execute her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Her name is Diane and her number is (616) 532-2455.
JS> Gt> I only believe what I can see. It's very easy to fake voices.
JS> Well, Wilbur is really pissed now, and you if have any balls at all,
you
JS> would call her at the above number. It really isn't that hard at all
to
JS> affirm that that is indeed my phone number for the last 30 years. Ask
JS> for Wilbur or Diane if you choose.
I'll remember this for later shenanigans... ehhehehehe :)
Rod "...eeevil grin" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The only rational solution to your problem is suicide.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:58:12
EID:c45c 22398f40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d934
* On 29-12-96 at 17:13, JIM STAAL wrote to RICHARD SMITH,
on the topic of "Oops, Caught Again" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RS> Have you heard the rumor that the Mormons, aided by the
JS> RS> Promise Keepers, are planning on organizing another million
JS> RS> man march on Washington?
JS> No. That _fact_ is, that Promise Keepers is organizing the first million
JS> man march on Washington.
Third, actually.
You follow a:
* March on Washington for gay rights.
* Million Man March for African American rights.
But then, since the Promisefilth have reservations to both the
abovementioned groups, they've conveeeeniently forgotten them :)
Rod "...eh Jimbozo?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Leviticus
|Date: 25 Jan 97 17:59:14
EID:0a20 22398f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d972
* On 30-12-96 at 22:39, JIM STAAL wrote to SUE ALEXANDER,
on the topic of "Leviticus" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> Two weeks ago Mad TV had a skit called 'Terminator in Bethlehem'.
You remind me of their skit "Gump Fiction" :)
Rod "...you go figure it out" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dance is thought mad by those who can't hear the music.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:03:16
EID:437e 22399060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9da64
* On 28-12-96 at 19:22, KAREN DAVIS wrote to NATE COOKSON,
on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
KD> NC> ""If it isn't a baby, then she's not Pregnant""
KD> If it *is* a baby, then she isn't pregnant any more.
Zing!!! :) Good one Karen... :) :)
Rod "...and Shelby asked him to learn a bit about biology :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any milk can make cheese. Here, have some gerbil cheese.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:12:18
EID:04df 22399180
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9dc82
* On 30-12-96 at 10:43, NATE COOKSON wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> GtP> BTW, I have FOUR children and a grandchild. Your point?
NC> i've never been able to understand someone who has seen the miracle
NC> of life first hand, and still accept abortian.
I've never been able to understand someone who has seen the
tragic pain of life first hand (in the form of torturous and
unending insufferable pain), and still accept pro-life or
anti-euthanasia...
Rod "...remember, your God created Kevorkian :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A fool and his money are soon befriended.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: cheese whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:15:20
EID:04df 223991e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9dd38
* On 30-12-96 at 11:00, NATE COOKSON wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "cheese whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> I wonder if there are any other reasons for pregnancies not going
NC> full term other than a "mean" God playing tricks on us?
I don't think so.
NC> Maybe environment? How about mankind that is pouring toxic waste
NC> into the ground and our water supplies? How about mankind that
NC> is pouring toxic waste into the air we breath??
No. I don't think so. In fact, science allows us to save babies
that would most likely have been stillborn half-a-century ago.
God wants them dead, and we save them! :)
NC> Maybe it's not God at all??
Afraid that it is your God?
Rod "...he's probably killed at least a few trillion by now,
Nate. Does that make you insecure that he has done such a
precedent?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:17:22
EID:04df 22399220
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9ddb2
* On 30-12-96 at 12:09, NATE COOKSON wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> NC> ""Abortion stops a beating Heart""
NC> GtP> Steak stops a beating heart.
NC> I've seen lot's of folks walk away after eating a good
NC> steak... I havn't seen any babies live after the vacum gets
NC> done tearing their arms
NC> and legs off...
I've seen lots of Christian protesters walk away from an abortion
clinic after a good protest...
I've not seen any Christian protesters live after the rottweilers
get done tearing their arms and legs off though...
Rod "...maybe abortion clinics should hire vicious attack dogs,
to get rid of the Christian filth" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: The patriotic art of lying for one's country.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Re: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:19:24
EID:04df 22399260
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9de2c
* On 30-12-96 at 12:13, NATE COOKSON wrote to QUENTIN FAI,
on the topic of "Re: Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> NC> ""Abortion stops a beating Heart""
NC> QF> But, so does a hamburger.
NC> Maybe so... Just not as fast...
Then come back after you fucking outlaw McDonalds, you penis!
In fact, life causes death. Come back after your pro-life stance
has outlawed life :)
NC> The other difference
NC> may also be that the person eating the hamburger can decide
NC> for them selves.. the Baby doesn't have much say in it.
Of course, you'd rather compel the mother to have a baby -- even
if that is risky to *her* life, moron.
Rod "...you're the reason for {yourage/4+3} trimester abortions,
Nate" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Physicist: An atom's way of knowing about atoms!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:20:26
EID:04df 22399280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9de6a
* On 30-12-96 at 12:18, NATE COOKSON wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> DC> You are a fucking idiot. ES&D
NC> Nasty stuff, tell me did your mommy drop you on your
NC> head when you were little?
Ironic. You're pro-life, yet don't respect it.
For your life, abortion shouldn't only be legal, but mandatory.
Rod "... you are a poster-child for abortions" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then what are you doing about TOBACCO?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Re: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:21:28
EID:04df 223992a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9dea8
* On 31-12-96 at 08:09, NATE COOKSON wrote to JASON HARMON,
on the topic of "Re: Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> NC> ""Abortion stops a beating Heart""
NC> JH> So does killing steer. Do you eat meat? Can you do anything
except
NC> JH> mindlessly parrot propaganda?
NC> It's amazing... How when someone like myself stands up against
NC> the killing of unborn childern..
... I note you're probably pro-death-penalty, and hence a
hypocrite. Do you also support the killing of people who are
gay, for example?
NC> all the blood suckers of the
NC> world throw their mindless little phrases out....
You were the one throwing out the one-liners, child.
Rod "...see above, moron" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Physicist: An atom's way of knowing about atoms!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:24:30
EID:879b 22399300
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9df5e
* On 31-12-96 at 08:17, NATE COOKSON wrote to DAVID RICE,
on the topic of "Literally Seaking" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> DR> Have you any evidence that "Jesus 'Christ'" even existed,
NC> DR> let alone that he was a god? If so, please share it with
NC> DR> the audience. Thanks.
NC> Depends on what you mean by "evidence" my closed minded friend.
NC> There are historians outside of the Christian Church the wrote
NC> about Jesus and His death... None of them stated "He was the Christ"
NC> but they do give credance that Jesus did actually exist.
My diary says I exist.
My diary says I'm a god.
Historians can verify that I exist.
They do not verify if I'm a god.
They do give credence that I exist.
Therefore, I am god.
Your argument is missing a few vital steps to verify that Jesus
Christ actually was the Son of God and able to do the
supernatural things that the Bible claims.
You failed to prove that the mythical deity structure called
"God" exists, also.
There is much evidence from your own bible to *disprove* the
existence of God as a supernatural being.
Rod "...read the bit about God answering prayers, for example" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * As Piglet psychosexually said, "Bounce on me too Tigger!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:25:32
EID:ff10 22399320
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9df9c
* On 31-12-96 at 08:27, NATE COOKSON wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Reading Incomprehension" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> And it's great isn't it! Spreading the Word for few $'s. I've
NC> been in several used Bookstores, Bibles and Christian "stuff"
NC> don't stay on the shelf very long. In fact Bible Bookstores in our
NC> area are doing a good business.
We're buying the books and burning them at our Satanic Witch
Pacts with Beelzebub! (tm)
NC> GtP> My skin, my bones, my heretic
NC> GtP> heart are my authority,
NC> GtP> Gwenny
NC> This is really to bad.... since you skin will someday rot away
NC> your bones fosilize, and your heart stop beating.... It's a
sad
NC> thing to base your whole life on....
And your concern is *so* believable. Not!
Rod "...come and join our book burning, Nate!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Yogi Bear was a nudist buddhist.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:27:34
EID:767e 22399360
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9e016
* On 31-12-96 at 08:36, NATE COOKSON wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "execute her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> GtP> I only believe what I can see. It's very easy to fake voices.
NC> Gee... you can't see the air... but yet you are still breathing?
Actually, you can see O2, with assistance.
You can't see Australia *directly* without assistance. Yet you still
know it exists.
God, claiming to be a supernatural being, could make himself
visible. Why he does not is contradictory to his benevolent
nature *AND* concern for humanity.
Rod "...you work it out, bozo" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: Bible
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:30:36
EID:b417 223993c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9e0cc
* On 31-12-96 at 09:21, NATE COOKSON wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "Bible" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> NC> Well my friend it was really penned by 40 authors under the
NC> NC> direction
NC> NC> of God, it's purpose was to speak to mankind about a better
NC> MG> Direction of god?
NC> MG> Evidence for this wild assed claim, Fundy.
NC> Maybe you could first tell me what you would consider as "evidence"
Get a dictionary. We will accept a standard scientific
definition of "evidence", and probably an investigative
definition (i.e. eyewitness accounts) :)
The argument you make must be completely supported by evidence.
The argument you make cannot contain fallacious logic, like
circular logic.
"The bible says that the Bible is the Word of God" is not
evidence and would be an example of an argument. The argument is
also circular in logic.
Rod "...got any ol' biblical writers' brains in jars there so
that we can reanimate them?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Pumpkin: What people in Tasmania do.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Nate Cookson
|Sub: atheistic bombast
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:40:38
EID:dec0 22399500
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9e326
* On 31-12-96 at 09:24, NATE COOKSON wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "atheistic bombast" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> Why must we "prove" God exists?
Because the onus is on the presenter of an theory to provide the
evidence which supports the theory.
NC> There are many things in life that "exist" but we don't have the
NC> expertise yet to discern them?
Yes, but people will make evidentiary discoveries of the
remaining mysteries of the environment, and formulate theories,
and develop knowledge.
NC> Many years ago, no one could prove that a atom existed... but
NC> today we know they do, as will the future unfold many things that
NC> "exist" today...
Yes, this is an example of scientific advancement -- the
discovery of evidence, and the refining of a theory based on this
and other evidence found.
NC> but we aren't aware of them... It doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
Actually, we are aware of the underlying foundation evidence of
atoms. It *does* mean they exist.
NC> Maybe it isn't that God doesn't exist... Maybe it's just that you
NC> can't at this time discern (for what ever reason)
I've yet to see any evidence to purport a God theory.
However, in the pursuit of the advancement of knowledge, we do
have the obverse of evidence leading to a tenable theory. We can
use evidence to *disprove* theories due to the theory's
contradiction to the evidence.
We can disprove a theory either completely or partly, by a
theory's fallibility.
The theory of the Christian God existing contains a number of
fallible argument points. If we consider the Christian God
exists, we are also allowed the given statement that the
Christian God answers prayer. This is clearly stated in the
scriptural book of this God structure.
This point is also a fallibility point that is absolute. The
Christian God, should it exist, states clearly that it will
answer ALL prayer given to it.
This is a *point of evidence* that is testable of the theory.
Since the Christian God, if it exists, claims to be omnipotent it
should be able to provide a response in a very expedient amount
of time.
The consistent failure of Christian prayer to this "God"
disproves the God's existence, given this alleged God claims to
answer prayers absolutely and quickly.
NC> You can't see the air.. but that doesn't stop you from breathing
NC> now does it?
We can't see air *right now* maybe. However, we *can* see it if
we choose to reproduce the experiments that produce the evidence
of it. Also, seeing is not the only method of gaining evidence.
NC> I doubt anything said on this echo would prove his existence
NC> to you.....
Is that because you are unable to find any evidence to support
the existence of a God?
Rod "...I can disprove your God, however, based on the paradigms
of the theory you have presented, and that makes me feel good" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A closed mouth gathers no feet.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: Re: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:41:40
EID:7781 22399520
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9e364
* On 28-12-96 at 02:32, QUENTIN FAI wrote to DAVID RICE,
on the topic of "Re: Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
QF> While puffing on a 'Fropstick, I felt David utter:
QF> DR> "Dead fetuses" are put in red plastic bags with black
QF> DR> biohazzard blossoms printed on them, and sent to one
QF> DR> of hundreds of hazzardous waste furnaces in the country.
QF> What a waste of perfectly good protein. :)
Babies.
Fun to make.
Fun to eat.
Rod "...I have a picture, too :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A Magick Book that sticks with you: The VELCRONOMICON
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Heat [1/2]
|Date: 25 Jan 97 19:04:42
EID:b2e1 22399880
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9e8ca
* On 28-12-96 at 00:43, ANDREW MASTEN wrote to RICK MCFARLANE,
on the topic of "Heat [1/2]" in echo Holysmoke:
AM> Without belaboring the point, I concede that Laurie, in what is evidently
AM> misguided enthusiasm, has gone over the line. Its too bad, because I
AM> think creationism can stand on its own merits without out resorting
AM> to unsavory tactics in its defense.
Oh really? Care to provide some of the evidence that supports
that theory?
In fact, we've never had a Christian provide a point-by-point
summary of the theory with a list of major evidentiary points,
yet. Care to do that for us?
Rod "...enquiring minds want to know" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Train stations are where trains stop, so workstations...
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: A God
|Date: 26 Jan 97 18:23:02
EID:91ad 223a92e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb3086
* On 29-12-96 at 12:08, SUE ARMSTRONG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "A God" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> SA> ... Baldrick, how did you get so much custard out of such a small
cat?
SA> RS> I have this as a .wav file....!
SA> RS> Want it, Sue???
SA> RS> Rod "... let's trade on IRC! :)" Swift
SA> :) I'd love it - if I had a sound card ...
Damn, you don't have one? Some of the cheaper 16 bit ones are
about $40 here.
Rod "...maybe I should get you one next Yule :)" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death is life's answer to the question "Why?"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 26 Jan 97 18:54:10
EID:d18f 223a96c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb37d2
* On 02-01-97 at 15:17, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Cracker Barrel boycott" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> rs> I remember to boycott Cracker Barrel at *every* possibility due
FR> rs> to their chain-wide policy of terminating the employment of
FR> rs> people whose sexual orientation *is* or *perceived* to be
FR> rs> non-straight.
FR> I'm going to see if I can find anything on this. I don't
FR> recall this particular boycott.
I'll try and find anything I can. An Altavista Search may find
you something.
FR> One of the most disgusting things I do is buy pizza from Domino's Pizza
FR> House. They have a habbit of sending a percentage of their
FR> revenues to support domestic terrorist organizations like
FR> "Operation Rescue."
Domino's is fundie-owned. Have you seen who they give their
annual "humanitarian" awards to?
They are filthy morons. I'd rather eat at Pizza Hut or Cici's :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass the pan-pepperoni-pizza" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Participate in Throw a Christian to the Lions Year 1997!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: What are you claiming no
|Date: 26 Jan 97 18:56:12
EID:0fbf 223a9700
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb384c
* On 02-01-97 at 15:31, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "What are you claiming now" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> iJS> No, I wasn't aware that 'having sex with children, polygamy,
FR> iJS> rape, and brainwashing are now considered "Not hurting
FR> iJS> anyone".'
FR> Are you claiming that "David Koresh" was having sex with children?
*boing*. Please restate a single question :)
There are documented reports of Vernon having his wicked way with
teenagers, from memory. I'll see what I can dig up from the
archives around here.
Rod "...he liked the young ones :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Nuke a gay Jesus for the baby whales
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Clergy Buggering
|Date: 26 Jan 97 18:58:14
EID:fbbb 223a9740
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb38c6
* On 02-01-97 at 15:38, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Clergy Buggering" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> DC> From: Peninsula Daily News 8/12/96
FR> DC> Church Wants Gag Order in Molest Case
FR> Of course they do. They want a return to the silence which
FR> has protected them for hundreds of years.
Naturally. They wish to have immunity from government and judicial
reviews of their acts, and to administer their own "justice"
against their own.
FR> DC> The diocese later admitted that McGreal was aslo allegedly a
FR> DC> pedophile. He had been twice to the church's treatment center
FR> DC> for pedophiles in Jemez Springs, NM
FR> rs> Dan, don't you find it a sad indictment that the church has a
FR> rs> centre set up to deal with pedophiles? Sounds like they have an
FR> rs> awful lot of them...
FR> I opine that it's window dressing; something they can point
FR> to and demand that they're actually doing something about
FR> the problem.
Window dressing aside, it's still a pretty sick idea that
pedophilia is so endemic in some churches that churches have to
set up specialised centres to solve the problem.
FR> If they were serious about fixing the
FR> problem, they would close their churches and derive
FR> measures to make certain that no Christian master is ever
FR> left alone with a child.
Amen, brother Fred!
Rod "...I think that is an excellent policy. Don't trust the
adult clergy!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Person+delusion=psychosis. People+delusion=religion.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Controlled robot
|Date: 26 Jan 97 18:59:16
EID:468a 223a9760
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb3904
* On 02-01-97 at 15:42, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Controlled robot" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> #include J.J. HITT
FR> #include AL SCHROEDER
FR> AS> Neither shall _I_ be pushed arond, bullied, or controlled.
FR> AS> Or silenced, either.
FR> As if we _wanted_ fundies to refrain from exposing themselves.
:) :) But of course :). How would we amuse ourselves if the
village idiots shut up :)
FR> rs> I find it ironic that Al protests so much when we even make
FR> rs> suggestions on how to act ethically -- note *suggest*.
FR> rs> But when he bombastically interferes in the privacy and life of
FR> rs> David R, he claims that he's acting justly and ethically.
FR> I find it the greater irony that someone who (presumption)
FR> goes to a church demands he's not going to let anyone
FR> control him.
ROFL! Thanks for that perspective. Just look at this
bumpersticker phrase below that reminds me of a similar irony.
Rod "... Jesus sets you free!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: The Other Shoe
|Date: 26 Jan 97 19:02:18
EID:2420 223a9840
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb39ba
* On 03-01-97 at 16:36, GLEN TODD wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "The Other Shoe" in echo Holysmoke:
GT> Heilsa, Rod Swift!
Bendigwhatever, Glen :)
GT> While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Rod
Swift
GT> whisper furtively to Al Schroeder something about The Other Shoe:
Oh boy... Scarves :) *kinky*
GT> RS> If we didn't have the Christian Dogma, we'd be burning yule logs
GT> RS> and have a lot more caring, understanding, tolerant world :)
GT> And I hope you had a very merry Yule as well. Skaal!
I celebrated the first festive season apart from my partner,
Christopher, and his family -- this is the first time in four
years that this has happened.
Although the fact that I do not place any significance in the
time of the year having any greater effect on my emotional
disdain at this situation, December has always been the time in
which I return to the US to be with my partner. This December
just gone is an indicator that normally I'd be there.
It's very distressing that I'm waiting here for a final decision
in Hawaii. You see, if I travel there at this time, it may affect
our greater plans.
But thank you for the wishes for the yule season.
Rod "...we return you to our regularly scheduled village idiots" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Masturbation
|Date: 26 Jan 97 19:05:22
EID:f456 223a98a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eb3a72
* On 05-01-97 at 01:13, STEVE QUARRELLA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Masturbation" in echo Holysmoke:
SQ> Salue, Rod!
SQ> Dies solis December 29 1996, Dixit Rod Swift ad Joe Palas:
SQ> RS> The mormons have some really strange views on jerkin' the
SQ> RS> gherkin', I'm afraid. I have a really excellent post sitting
SQ> RS> around somewhere which satirises their "commandments" against it,
SQ> RS> if anyone wants a chuckle *and* if I can find it.
SQ> My in-laws are afflicted with that particular brand of Christianity,
and my
SQ> youngest brother-in-law has a -great- book on
SQ> proselytization, which also includes some "pointers" on how
SQ> to refrain from autoeroticism. I'll have to copy the thing
SQ> the next time we're in Salt Lake, as it's a riot.
Please do. The only online version on the web I can find is from
a badly tattered document. An original for me to transcribe for
the net would be a goodthing(tm).
If this is the same document I'm thinking about, it has such
wisdom as "If you can't stop thinking about it, go and make a
sandwich", and to "keep a little calendar, and colour in days
black if you succumb, the idea being to get 3 months without
black marks", and "imagine you're bathing in worms, and eating
some, if you get the temptation"
Rod "...i.e. really sicko stuff :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The Christian Right is neither
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Rece
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:20:00
EID:976e 22339280
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2ac20
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to Jimson Staalin about ASK AND YE SHALL RECE:
js> wrong party. I believe that many mothers who murder
js> their children via abortion are doing so in ignorance
js> (and imediately their consciences convict them
js> afterwards), having been filled with lies from the
js> pro-choice group. I believe that the heinous, murdering,
js> Satan/dollar driven doktor should be put on trial for
js> being a serial killer and be punished in whatever manner
js> the state allows/mandates for that crime.
KS> It isn't a crime, moron.
What should be a crime is receiving a diploma from Calvin
U., as Jimson did.
At the very least, he should take them to court to try to
get his money back . . .
... 'cognative'? Isn't that...liqueur consumed by...Leipzig? -- J. Staalin
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: I do hope you are all ta
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:24:02
EID:6e9c 22339300
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2ad12
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to Jimson Staalin about I do hope you are all ta:
js> I have guns...and show them to my friends.
KS> Lots of guys with little bitty dicks do that.
So, you're assuming that he actually has one?
Must be why he constantly harps about size and milk crates .
. . .
... (The Jews in the camps) got what they deserved. -- Jimson Staalin
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: World wide flood! [1/ 1/
|Date: 19 Jan 97 18:35:04
EID:1c02 22339460
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2afa8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Shelby Sherman said to Dougie Schwandt about World wide flood! [1/ 1/2:
SS> Such as? For example? What evolution are you talking about,
SS> the evolution that is observed in nature by science, or the
SS> wildly-distorted and ignorant caricature that is purported by
SS> creationists?
JM> What kept the canopy up... magic? Invisible superfriends?
ds> How about lack of gravity?
SS> ROFL! What kept this mysterious canopy from floating off
SS> into outer space, you ignoramus?
A lack of a lack of gravity?
ds> What we now consider a miracle we may later be able to
ds> find a demonstratable , repeatable and ovservable
ds> mechanism for. When the White Man first used thei r
ds> fire sticks, the Indians thought they were gods. After
ds> they knew how the firesticks worked, gods became men.
SS> ROFL! Hector's Law again, little fundie.
Does Doug actually believe that firesticks even exist? Most
of the early settlers used either flint and steel or
friction to start fires with. Matches came much later.
... 55.5 dozens: Number of doughnuts of the Beast.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 19 Jan 97 19:16:06
EID:6819 22339a00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2b946
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marty Leipzig said to All about ASK AND YE SHANT RECEIVE:
js> Pay me like your commie pal, Leipzig and maybe I'll
js> consider it.
Now that would be unskilled labor at it's worst!
ML> Let's see...I worked in Russia so Stallin labels me
ML> a commie.
I guess his son, working in Korea, must be a commie as well,
eh?
ML> Now, a few posts back, Ivanbozo was chortling about warbling in
ML> a state prison.
ML> Draw you own conclusions.
Was he singing: "Oh, sweet mystery of life at last I've
found you . . . ?"
... Be swift to shout IS NOT, slow to reason, impossible to talk to.-JS1:9
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:20:08
EID:daac 2233b280
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2e468
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Robert Curry about Ask And Ye Shall Receive:
KW> I might
KW> also remind you that before very recent history those
KW> who belonged to Evangelical Protestant and/or Roman
KW> Catholic Churches were not known as "religious
KW> extremists." Unfortunately today the term is applied
KW> to anyone with religious convictions. Those who
KW> disagree with those with religious convictions
KW> think it is ok to impose their own values (or
KW> lack thereof) on this Country. But it is wrong
KW> for those with opposing values to impose their
KW> values. What hypocricy!
So, in essence, you say it's okay for a group to impose
their values on another group, as long as it's the right set
of values? Uber alles, Ken.
... Hitler was perfectly legal in his extermination of millions of Jews.KW
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: judging actions
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:24:10
EID:7541 2233b300
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2e55a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Robert Curry about judging actions:
kw> I do not judge men, I do make judgments about their actions.
kw> For me to do nothing and to say nothing while millions of
kw> the unborn are being murdered would be a sin of the highest
kw> order.
RC> So how many of the "unborn" (i.e., zygotes, embryos, and fetuses)
RC> can your god kill in, say, a worldwide flood before you make a
RC> judgement about *that* supposed action?
kw> I accept His judgment that all are sinners, period and worthy
kw> of death.
So, though they all deserve death, you have a hissy fit if
they get it? How can a person be a sinner in your faith if
they give death to someone that you Deity has decided
deserves death?
... "All humans according to my God deserve death. . . ." -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:38:12
EID:dad9 2233b4c0
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Robert Curry about execute her ?:
kw> Point: Life begins at conception.
RC>Is an egg not alive? Are sperm not alive?
kw> Ok. It is education time. Pay attention:
kw> conception (ken-sOp+shen) noun
kw> 1.a. Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male
kw> sperm and the female ovum; fertilization. b. The entity formed
kw> by the union of the male sperm and the female ovum;
kw> an embryo or a zygote.
kw> The American Heritage< Dictionary of the English
kw> Language, Third Edition copyright + 1992 by Houghton
kw> Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO
kw> Corporation. All rights reserved.
Looks like you fudged your source, Kenster. I have the
American Heritage Dictionary, and this is the exact
definition given in it:
conception (kuhn-sep'shuhn)
--noun
1. The fusing of a sperm and egg to form a zygote capable
of developing into a new organism.
2. A beginning; start.
3. The ability to form or understand mental concepts.
4. A concept, plan, design, or thought.
[< Lat. concipere, to conceive]
--concep'tional adjective
Now, I wonder why you altered the quote to add the word
`viable' as well as definition `b'? Also, why didn't you
answer the question? Is not an egg alive? Is not a sperm
alive?
RC> You haven't really thought this through very well. That's
RC> one of many pitfalls associated with dogmatism: because
RC> you believe that you know the "One, True Answer," you
RC> neglect the duty to *think*.
kw> Sure I have. I not only have thought it thru I also realize
kw> that the opposing view on this matter is also dogmatism:
kw> the insistence that the mother and the mother alone has
kw> the right to decide. That, my friend, is dogmatism of the
kw> highest order. It is you who neglect the duty to think.
How is it dogmatism, Kenster? You DO know what dogmatism
is, don't you?
... (Wiens on fairy beliefs): Sure. Do you have any reason to doubt him?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:43:14
EID:dad9 2233b560
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2e9d2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Karen Davis about execute her ?:
kw> It does qualify very much for abortions. The unborn child is a
kw> human being in process. To abort this process God has begun is
kw> to murder. The reference very much qualifies and answers the
kw> question.
KD> Nope, it isn't murder. Because it isn't illegal.
kw> By the same token it was not illegal in Nazi
kw> Germany to exterminate Jews. Therefore it
kw> wasn't murder.
Thank you for admitting that Karen spoke truly here. It
takes quite a guy to admit his mistake.
... By all means, let's not confuse ourselves by the facts. -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:47:16
EID:dad9 2233b5e0
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Shelby Sherman about execute her ?:
kw> I said that everyone has within himself or
kw> herself knowledge that there is a God, a Creator.
And your evidence for this is?
... Evidence that ACTUALLY exists.-Leipzig Hardly the best kind.-Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:49:18
EID:daac 2233b620
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2eb3e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Shelby Sherman about Ask And Ye Shall Receive:
SS> Do the lives of all children have value?
KW> All of them.
Even those killed by Xtian fundies throughout history, or
killed by the Jews in the Bible (as in, for instance, the
Midianites, or the Babylonian children dashed against
rocks)?
... Ken Wiens advocates murdering 12-year old rape victims who abort.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:59:20
EID:daac 2233b760
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e2ed98
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Dan Ceppa about Ask And Ye Shall Receive:
kw> No. I vote to pass into law what I consider morally right.
DC> We have seen your "moral right".
kw> And I have seen yours. Yours involves the indiscriminate
kw> killing of the unborn child whenever a woman wants
kw> to do so.
Please show me where Dan said this. Feel free to quote his
text that said this.
... All humans according to my God deserve death . . . -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Rece
|Date: 19 Jan 97 22:59:22
EID:3acd 2233b760
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Dan Ceppa about Ask And Ye Shall Rece:
KS> Unless performed or ordered by your god?
kw> If God kills it is not murder.
G> Murder is murder, regardless of the perpetrator.
kw> I agree.
DC>Ergo, Kenny, your god is a murderer.
kw> Nope. You didn't read the above, did you?
Now THAT'S dogmatism at it's worst. You've already agreed
that regardless of who it is (even your Deity) that murders,
it is still murder. Yet you then recant yourself.
You failed Elementary Logic 101, right?
... What you forget is that no one has a right to live. -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Re: Bible MYTHOLOGY
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:14:24
EID:64fb 223451c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e38bd0
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Dan Ceppa about Re: Bible MYTHOLOGY:
JH> Question is, is there any evidence OUTSIDE the gospels?
kw> Question is, is there any source outside the gospels that
kw> even deals with the issue? Why would there be?
So your answer is no. Thanx for admitting it. There IS no
source outside of the gospels.
DC>Answer his question, Kenny,
He won't. He's a weinie.
kw> I did answer his question, Danny. Pay more attention.
Actually, you didn't. You waffled.
kw> Your rebuttals are profoundly boring and unfounded.
DC> Of course it's boring to you, fundy. You can't
DC> wow the crowd with your bible verse.
kw> You've just proven you have not been paying attention.
How did he do that?
kw> "wow the crowd with your bible verse." What a lame
kw> reply. Now, you answer the question I ask above.
It may be lame to you, but I note how much you avoid it and
run away from it . . . it MUST have hit a nerve. Why can't
you deal with it?
kw> Why would anyone else care enough to write an
kw> account in 1st century Palestine or in the
kw> Roman Empire? That is the question to ask and
kw> the question to answer in this context.
If they cared enough to get Roman involvement with the
execution, which is what your mythos claims, then the Romans
would have kept records. Yet they do not. As a person who
collects ancient Roman numismatics, I know that they pretty
much kept records on everything they could, being a very
over-laded beauracracy. That the didn't indicates one of
three things: they didn't keep records of this miraculous
event (unlikely), the records of this miraculous event
didn't survive (again, unlikely, since it would have been
greatly copied, etc.), or the miraculous event itself didn't
happen. Occram's razor, Kenster.
DC>Now, answer the question.
kw> I did.
Liar, liar, pants on fire . . .
kw> Now you answer mine? And stop playing the
kw> "stupid heathen" role.
Well, Dan only plays the stupid heathen role when he has to
chat with a stupid heathen such as yourself. It's necessary
for communication. We all do it, finding it necessary to
talk down to you to get any kind of cognisant reaction.
... This tagline is invisible to non-Xtians who don't buttfuck. Hi Ken!
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:22:26
EID:dad9 223452c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e38db2
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Wiens said to Dan Ceppa about execute her ?:
DH> So he claimed.You also claim to know and understand
DH> the word of Go
Problem with the quote engine of your replies, Kenster. If
you'd adjust your margins, we wouldn't have to believe that
you talk to an entity named Go.
kw> Very true.
DC> I talked to your god today.
kw> You are lying thru your teeth.
How do you know this?
DC> Bullshit, Kenny. Your god told me you were a liar. He
DC> stated "Kenny Wiens is a fucking liar."
kw> If my God had talked to you you would have characterized
kw> Him accurately with a big "G" instead of with a small
kw> "g". This alone makes it obvious the god you have in
kw> mind is not my God and is no god at all.
No, Dan is right . . . your god came and talked to me after
he talked to Dan. He specifically stated that he wanted Dan
and I to use the lower-case `g' as his name was either YHVH
or Jehovah, but that god was a job description. (AAMOF, he
was quite testy about the whole thing, talking about the
"fucking illiterates that continue to miscall him" etc.)
God also said that not only were you a fucking liar, but
that you were also a sissy-boy pedophile. I told him that
that seemed a little harsh, and he said to see him in court
if you didn't like it.
DC> Care to argue with what your god said?
kw> I don't have a god.
Ah, so you are an atheist at last?
... According to Ken Wiens, Jesus Christ is a moron.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Re: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:50:28
EID:c9cf 22345640
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RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Dan Ceppa about Re: My Summer Weekend:
kw> I have a major problem with abortion.
ML> Then don't have one.
kw> I wish it were that easy.
DC>What's the matter, Kenny?
DC>Get yourself pregnant again?
kw> Where were you when you were supposed to be
kw> taking High School Biology?
What's the matter, Kenster? Don't know who the father is?
... Christianity based on the writings of Saul? HAHAHAHAHHA -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: Staal Won'T Drink It
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:36:30
EID:e8b4 22345480
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e390fe
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Dan Ceppa about Staal Won'T Drink It:
kw> you when the sun has gone down. God is quite
kw> capable of creating a state of darkness. He
kw> does not and did not create sin. Sin is by
DC> IOW, Kenny, your god did not create everything.
kw> IOW, Danny, God did create everything. Sin is
kw> not a thing.
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, you're a
liar. Please note the first definition for thing:
sin (sin) --noun
1. A transgression of a religious or moral law.
2. A serious offense or fault.
--verb: sinned, sinning
To commit a sin.
[< OE synn]
--sin'less adjective
--sin'ner noun
sin (sEEn, sin) --noun
The 21st letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
[Heb]
thing (thing) --noun
1. Something that exists; entity.
2. A tangible object.
3. An inanimate object.
4. A creature.
5. things.
5.a. Possessions; belongings.
5.b. The general state of affairs; conditions.
6. An article of clothing.
7. An act, deed, or work.
8. A thought or notion.
9. A piece of information.
10. A matter to be dealt with.
11. A turn of events.
12. Slang. A uniquely suitable or satisfying activity:
doing his own thing.
[< OE]
Ergo, the only way that sin could not be a thing is if it
doesn't exist. In which case, no one sins and there are no
sins. Thanx for admitting that for us, Kenster.
... This kind of scientific analysis is frightening, indeed! -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ken Whines
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:40:32
EID:c9cf 22345500
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e391f0
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Karen Davis about My Summer Weekend:
kw> Whatever you say, oh Omnipotent One.
Is Karen aware that you worship her? Oh, wait . . . she
must be aware of it, if she's omnipotent! So now you
worship both Karen Davis AND Moron?
... Which God? - Richard Smith The God of the Bible, moron. - Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 20 Jan 97 10:42:34
EID:6d72 22345540
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3926a
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ken Whines said to Karen Davis about My Summer Weekend:
kw> Whatever you say, oh Omnipotent One.
Gee, can't you get higher-quality worshipers than Ken
Whines? Aren't you embarrassed?
... "Dr. Scott!" "Janet!" "Brad!" "Rocky!" "Bullwinkle!"
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Loud Brick Cravenweed
|Date: 20 Jan 97 11:41:36
EID:b8ff 22345d20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3a040
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Karl Schneider said to John Harvath about Loud Brick Cravenweed:
jh> Just go back to playing with yourself Worrell it's what
jh> you do best anyway. Don't bother me anymore I'm sick of
jh> you faggs & all your bullshit.
jh> Lord Candleblack
KS> Are you sure your candle isn't brown?
Aren't you assuming that he has a candle?
... My God has a bigger dick than your God. George Carlin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: false christian scum
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:00:38
EID:dcbc 22346000
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3a4b6
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Curtis Johnson about false christian scum:
DC> No, Jimbo, you are assuming that a god exists. Provide
DC> the evidence of its existance before you use his alledged
DC> writings.
js> DUH! If He didn't exist, His writings wouldn't exist!
CJ> If Flashman didn't exist, then his memoirs wouldn't exist,
CJ> would they? If Watson didn't exist, then his accounts of
CJ> Sherlock Holmes wouldn't exist, would they? Etc.
js> LOL! I love the way you guys jump and dance when I pull
js> the strings.
CJ> I love the way you don't even realize your head just got
CJ> handed to you.
js> Just can't take it, can you....
js> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXXXX XXX XX XX XX
js> XXX XXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XX XX XXXXXX XX XX XXXXXX XX XX XX
You're right . . . it IS a new level in cluelessness. And I
thought Jimson had already reached bedrock . . .
js> ... It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. - Acts 9:5
Nice of Jimson to share his homoeroticism with us . . .
... According to Jimson Staalin:degree of stupidity=degree of spirituality
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Sidebar masking . . .
|Date: 20 Jan 97 12:13:40
EID:c87b 223461a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3a7c4
- Area: Holysmoke ---------------------------------------------
Msg#: 3219-31 Date: 11-04-96 17:15-17:17
From: David Rice Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Various Folks . . . Mark:
Subj: False Christian SCUM! R
Subj: YE SHAN'T RECEIVE E
Subj: apologies B
Subj: EXECUTE HER A
Subj: EXECUTE HER
Subj: sadist god M
Subj: Forwarded Message c
Subj: Natural Selection E
Subj: Fundamentalist! N
Subj: Ken Wiens kill Homos! T
Subj: Pussy little satanist! I
Subj: Contradictions R
Subj: Feeble human cattle E
---------------------------------------------------------------
Is this an ivocation of Ms. McEntire or just a hidden
Satanic Message?
Amazing what boredom will prompt you to find when you
haven't been in HolySmoke for weeks, isn't it?
... This tagline may contain an encrypted satanic message.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Time Keeper
|Sub: P.E.
|Date: 20 Jan 97 18:01:42
EID:189a 22349020
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3f956
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Time Keeper said to Shelby Sherman about P.E.:
tk> Well, I hate to show off my intellect
Mostly because you lack one.
tk> but since you asked: PE is
tk> simply an abbreviation for the words
tk> Phisical
Ahem. "Physical"
tk> Education which is
tk> commonly used in schools
tk> to describe gym class.
tk> Sheeez......that was an easy one....
tk> Next!
Before you count this coup (look it up), you might get some
adult ed classes, son . . .
... I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid. -- Bishop
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: The End.
|Date: 20 Jan 97 18:11:44
EID:ad3c 22349160
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3fbb0
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Ronald Vass said to Al Schroeder about The End.:
as> No; I have no love for this whole charade. I just wish
as> you would STOP it. Stop saying the "Als of this world"
as> would do such-and-such, which is the exact opposite of
as> what I espouse.
RV> But you love this guy------
. . . some errant snippage . . .
RV> 70,000 victims (more round numbers?) die of a pestilence
RV> sent by God because David took a census. 11 Sam 24:15
RV> - < much, much, much mode snip > -
RV> Your right Al. Sticking a single child underwater,
RV> leading to that child dieing, is no big deal. Happy now,
RV> I'm agree with You and Your loveing God.
RV> It's isn't tantamount, to God's bloodlust of old.
RV> As you say, so shall it be.
RV> The End.
Most excellent post. Precise, concise, and to the point.
Kudos!
... Rape/Murder/Etc., is preferable to loss of Free Will. -- Al Schroeder
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Receiv
|Date: 20 Jan 97 18:23:46
EID:db3e 223492e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e3fe82
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Marty Leipzig about ASK AND YE SHAN'T RECEIVE:
ML> South Korea, 'eh? He couldn't find anywhere further away from
ML> you or won't any other country have him?
js> None of the above. Are you just jealous because you have no
js> offspring?
One might ask him the same thing. Of course, I bet Wilbur
hasn't mentioned this to him yet . . .
js> teaching the little critters to speak
js> functional Engleesh.
Such lovely racial bigotry. If nothing else, Jimson
provides an excellent bad example. I have shoes more
intelligent than him . . .
ML> I'll wager he packed a raft of Bibles
ML> to teach those Asian heathens, right Ivanova?
js> No, he hasn't attended church since he left Grandville and
js> has taken only the NIV his grandmother gave him for his HS
js> graduation.
Sounds like an intelligent boy after all . . .
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your speculum superior."
?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Sadism in the name of Go
|Date: 20 Jan 97 18:35:48
EID:8492 22349460
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e40154
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Marty Leipzig about Sadism in the name of God:
js> a. do you kiss your poor wife with that mouth?
js> Just answer the question, oh ye of Red ideologies...
I see Jimson has finally been reduced to arguing with
himself . . .
js> In my previous career as an auto refinsh technician, I mastered
. . . baited . . .
js> the art and contributed much in the line GNP.
At last, an automobile painter less intelligent than Earl
Schibe!
ML> Your delight in posting in an international forum the
ML> sordid, scrubby and sorry details of your dysfunctional marital
ML> relationship is merely another manifestation of your myriad
ML> misfires.
js> At least I have the decency to use language that is
js> acceptable in all quarters.
Another delusional response. It isn't acceptible in ALL
quarters. Jimson's grunts and `idunno's are only okay in
the trailor park . . .
js> b. it is interesting that an alleged 'ignorant so and so' can,
js> with so little effort push all yours buttons and pull those
js> little strings and make you dance like this.
ML> Sure, Jimbozo. We regard you as nothing more than a verbal
ML> speed-bag. If you want to continue to live that paranoid
ML> xenophobic fantasy you call a life, please ooze right along.
js> Talk on, big man, but the evidence is clear: I speak, you spout
js> (jump)...and I direct the band as you dance yourself in a frenzy of
js> rage, filth and self-condemnation. Live with it! LOL!
Gee, he IS a legend in his own mind . . .
ML> We appreciate the fact that like the circus geek you are, you
ML> provide us an outlet for verbal calisthenics and leave us copious
js> 'copious'?
I knew he didn't know what it meant. You just can't go over
two syllables with Jimson and have him grok anything . . .
ML> time to wrestle with the real intellectual heavyweights around
ML> here, like Appletoon and Whiens.
ML> sentence.>
js> I'm sure that with nothing more than their little finger they can
js> handle one such pinko pig as yourself.
Nope, he didn't get it at all. BTW, I'd pay good money to
see you go up against Appletoon, you with your fists, him
with just his little finger. Maybe Jimson can arrange it.
js> I recall we were talking about the first four years, not
js> graduate school.
ML> Same for both. That's the beauty of university-system schools
ML> (of course, explaining that to you is like explaining "blue" to
ML> a person blind from birth).
js> Oh, you attended some local 'junior' college? How appropriate.
js> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXXXX XXX XX XX XX
js> XXX XXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX
js> XX XX XXXXXX XX XX XXXXXX XX XX XX
This coming from a drop-out of Calvin U? LOL . . .
... Hasn't happened yet, Dave. (the head part, that is) -- Jimson Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Sadism in the name of Go
|Date: 20 Jan 97 18:41:50
EID:da4b 22349520
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e402be
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Glen Todd about Sadism in the name of God:
-=> Quoting Glen Todd to Jim Staal <=-
js> there is still a chance for your children to make the
js> correct decision)
GT> Ours already have. You lose. (Their talents for describing the
GT> Church and 'faith' that sanctioned and frequently instigated their
GT> abuse as well as their mother's is amazing.)
js> You and Gwenny actually have offspring together?
What, is Jim writing a book or something? What a fucking
loon! I hope you gave him a big NOYB . . .
... -- Jimson Staalin, LoveSlave of the Secret Fire --
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Curtis Johnson
|Sub: sadism in the name of
|Date: 21 Jan 97 10:05:52
EID:73b5 223550a0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4db50
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Curtis Johnson about sadism in the name of:
-=> Quoting Curtis Johnson to Jim Staal <=-
GT> ! Origin: American Thuggee Militia -- Knot a Problem (FidoNet
GT> 1:128/203)
js> BTW, what the sam hill the 'thuggee militia'?
CJ> One cure for what ails you.
js> Mines bigger.
Uh oh, Curtis . . . looks like you turned Jimson on . . .
... ? "Get real, get a crate & reconcile to me, your Lake Superior." ?
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: bible god vs. Al's god
|Date: 20 Jan 97 23:37:54
EID:4190 2234bca0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e44822
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Lynda Bustilloz said to Al Schroeder about bible god vs. Al's god:
RS> . . . but it specifically says that God hardens Pharoah's
RS> heart . . . waffle.waffle.waffle.waffle.waffle. . . .
as> (Pssssst.) And the Wiccan God/dess and Cernunnos don't
as> act to prevent evil because...?
LB> I could be wrong, but I don't believe the Wiccan Lord and Lady are
LB> claimed to be either omnipotent or omnibenevolent.
Hell, Al can't even get the lineup correct . . .
RS> admirably . . . after a fashion: I don't read his stuff
RS> anymore, though I get to see enough of it in other people's
RS> posts to be able to be sure that I get the highlights.
as> LOL!!! And people respond to one's STRONG points? Or go for
as> their weakest?
LB> *chuckle* HOW many messages a day did you say you were
LB> getting before you took your vacation? That's a LOT of
LB> weak points, Al!
And increasing by the minute . . .
... Yes, to some people, I AM patronizing. I have REASON to be.A.Schroeder
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Free Will
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:08:56
EID:8d22 22354900
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4cdf8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Martin Goldberg said to Al Schroeder about FREE WILL:
as> What it seems to indicate to me is that whoever set the
as> constants...and through that, determined what the universe
as> was like...cares about there being living, intelligent
as> observers.
MG> There you go again. "Whoever set the constants"? You are
MG> still assuming that they were "set" and that they are not
MG> simply the product of the interaction of matter.
You mean you don't buy into this rationalization after the
fact in order to get certain conditions to fit reality?
... Faith is not rational. -- Michael Hardy
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: FUNDY SHUFFLE: Step 8
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:17:58
EID:be9c 22354a20
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4d016
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Martin Goldberg said to Ken Whines about FUNDY SHUFFLE: Step 8:
kw> (HINT for Richard: the whole world was NOT smitten down
kw> by the Deluge. Try reading the account in Genesis
kw> sometime. There were survivors).
MG> Chapter and verse please. The bible says that the entire
MG> earth was covered in water.
Ah, Ken is so amusing sometimes. Of course, according to
the bable, there were survivors ONLY because the separated
themselves from the world overwhelmed by the deluge by
riding in a boat.
I think Ken needs Hooked on Phonics . . . anyone want to
chip in to get it for him and Staalin so that they can
get some remedial reading?
... It shows you observed a few details I had forgotten. -- Ken Wiens
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Legislating Morality
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:24:00
EID:4599 22354b00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4d180
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Martin Goldberg said to Ken Whines about Legislating Morality:
kw> Yet our Government is prohibiting the free exercise
kw> thereof in this very day and age when it prevents
kw> children from praying among themselves on a school
kw> campus. If a Congressman or Congressmen make laws
MG> Name one child who has been prevented from giving
MG> prayer in school.
MG> Just one.
Me, and I'd already beheaded the chicken. And they wouldn't
let me sacrifice the virgin, either.
... I saved the life of the virgin sacrifice by disqualifying her.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: I do hope you are all ta
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:40:02
EID:a4ae 22354d00
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4d542
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marty Leipzig said to Jimson Staalin about I do hope you are all ta:
-=> Quoting Richard Smith to Marty Leipzig <=-
ML> My close friend and long-time pal, Lady McBeast, a 127
ML> kilo Neopolitan Mastiff passed away, patented 'sobbing while typing' here>
RS> Copious Jimmy Swaggart Tears . . .
js> yeah, like it takes a real man to mock a person for
js> having normal human emotions.
Where did Jimson ever see a real man?
ML> I GOT CAUGHT - Jimmy "I
ML> hate porn...it's so expensive" Swaggart.
LOL . . .
... ARGH! Arf... -Jim Staal
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Receiv
|Date: 21 Jan 97 10:06:04
EID:db3e 223550c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4db5c
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marty Leipzig said to Jimson Staalin about ASK AND YE SHAN'T RECEIVE:
js> None of the above. Are you just jealous because you have no
js> offspring?
ML> Hardly. I have two particularly erudite daughters who at even
ML> their young ages would run intellectual circles around you and
ML> your fulminating ilk.
Not to belittle your fine daughters, but a shoetree could
run intellectual circles around the Staalin clan . . .
js> teaching the little critters to speak
js> functional Engleesh.^^^^^^^^
What a lovely bit of bigoted bile this is . . .
ML> Too bad he didn't start at home with you. Then again, he's
ML> probably not trained to deal with the PMR.
js> PMR? Besides, _I_ was the English major. He majored in
js> accounting.
ML> Profoundly mentally retarded. A bean-counter teaching English?
ML> My, but they must be *really* hard-up for instructors.
Need you ask?
js> He is one your 'better educated'.
ML> Nope, he's one of yours.
I trust you when you say he isn't yours, Marty . . . I don't
think you've ever met Wilbur, have you?
... I gotta get my sysop to realize it yet. He's Dutch, ya know.-J.Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Sadism in the name of Go
|Date: 21 Jan 97 09:51:06
EID:8492 22354e60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4d7da
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marty Leipzig said to Jimson Staalin about Sadism in the name of God:
js> a. do you kiss your poor wife with that mouth?
js> a. do you kiss your poor wife with that mouth?
js> Just answer the question: do you kiss your poor wife
js> with that mouth?
ML> I already did, Herr Idiotsan. Tell me, do you fondle Wilbur
ML> with the same hands that you use to accept your free government
ML> cheese?
Considering how Jimson is questioning you and Glen about
intimacies, I wonder if Wilbur hasn't cut him off lately.
He should just go out and get a dirty video, but I guess he
emulates Swaggart too much for that . . . and doesn't have a
job, so he can't afford a hooker.
... Can't you just talk to the old lady across the kitchen table? - Jimson
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dougie Schwandt
|Sub: bible god vs. Al's go
|Date: 21 Jan 97 12:14:08
EID:6e10 223561c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4f960
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dougie Schwandt said to Glen Todd about bible god vs. Al's go:
gp> Not so. The resurrection of Jesus is quite well attested
gp> historically, perhaps the single most attested historical
gp> event!
GT> {chortle}
DC> Provide evidence outside you bible that the "resurrection"
DC> has been confirmed.
DC> Meanwhile, get a book about Mithraism and learn where your
DC> "resurrection" originated.
GT> And I'm sure I could scrape up half a dozen other similar
GT> myths that the author(s) of that bit might well have
GT> encountered.
ds> By all means, enlighten us!
You seriously need it . . .
ds> Unless, of course, you are content to spout empty
ds> rhetoric.
You mean, as you do?
ds> If so, then what you say has no substance.
It would then resemble your own posts, that is correct.
... I have found no Platystrophia in my area.--Doug `I TNT T-Rex' Schwandt
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dougie Schwandt
|Sub: John 3:3
|Date: 21 Jan 97 12:15:10
EID:e53c 223561e0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4f99e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dougie Schwandt said to Glen Todd about John 3:3:
mm> John 3:3
GT> Please flush.
mm> Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, Verily, I say
mm> unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see
mm> the kingdom of God.
GT> Which god, spammer.
ds> The God of Genesis 1:1.
Which god would that be? Got a name handy? You know, like
YHVH, Jehovah, Thor, Hastor, Baal, etc.?
... . . . the Son is God . . . -- Athanasian Creed
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Dougie Schwandt
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 21 Jan 97 12:14:12
EID:40fe 223561c0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4f964
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Dougie Schwandt said to Jim Staal about My Summer Weekend:
ds> Methinks there is something between the lines here. I
ds> would vote for adultery as being the number one cause
ds> for pagan divorces.
Impossible. Adultery is not a Pagan crime. It doesn't
exist in any established Pagan groups/faiths that I know of.
Thereby making me absolutely correct in asserting: more
Xtians engage in adultery than Pagans do.
... Hester Prynne got an A for adultery. I barely made a C-minus.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: I do hope you are all ta
|Date: 21 Jan 97 12:19:14
EID:a4ae 22356260
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4fa92
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to J.j. Hitt about I do hope you are all ta:
RS> Copious Jimmy Swaggart Tears . . .
js> yeah, like it takes a real man to mock a person
js> for having normal human emotions.
JH> Boo hoo hoo! I GOT CAUGHT! Boo hoo hoo!
js> Actually, the warm and kind Richard was mocking
js> my grief for my father.
Wouldn't this presume that Jimson knew who his father was?
... My ignorance is *just* *as* *good* as your education. - Jimson Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: I do hope you are all ta
|Date: 21 Jan 97 12:25:16
EID:a4ae 22356320
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e4fbfc
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Marty Leipzig about I do hope you are all ta:
-=> Quoting Richard Smith to Marty Leipzig <=-
ML> My close friend and long-time pal, Lady McBeast, a 127
ML> kilo Neopolitan Mastiff passed away, patented 'sobbing while typing' here>
RS> Copious Jimmy Swaggart Tears . . .
js> yeah, like it takes a real man to mock a person for
js> having normal human emotions.
ML> I GOT CAUGHT - Jimmy "I
ML> hate porn...it's so expensive" Swaggart.
js> Excuse me? MISTER Smith (is that your real name?) was
js> mocking my grief over my father's death. Nothing to do
js> with Swaggart.
I see. That must be why I didn't mention Jimmy Swaggart,
eh?
... Sex ed classes in our public schools are promoting incest.-J. Swaggart
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 21 Jan 97 13:43:18
EID:6819 22356d60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e50e46
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Jimson Staalin said to Marty Leipzig about ASK AND YE SHANT RECEIVE:
ML> Let's see...I worked in Russia so Stallin labels me a
ML> commie.
js> Oh, it isn't the working _in_ Russia that branded you a
js> commie-pink boy-fink. It was the working to give them our
js> blessed superiour technology and other secrets...just out
js> of dollar lust.
*gasp*
Does he mean you told them how to prevent retards like Jimson?
For shame, Marty.
... Jimson Staalin: as they don't exist, grasshoppers shouldn't be eaten.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Sandy Hooper
|Sub: Ask and ye shall receive
|Date: 21 Jan 97 14:03:20
EID:a326 22357060
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e512f8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Sandy Hooper said to Sean Mccullough about Ask and ye shall receive:
JB> If that's the case, then at what age do they become
JB> human enough to be recognized by the christian god?
RV> I have to admit, Ken seems to be right. I can't find
RV> an area where you can, with a sprinking of water,
RV> save a kids soul. Other then clas
RV> a child as a nothing, it is lost to hell.
> Not true. The Bible says God will judge righteously.
SM> Just one more Bible LIE.
SH> Logic would dictate that two opposite statements
SH> cannot *both* be true.
You mean like:
Jesus Christ died for your sins.
Jesus Christ lives.
... Among the paradoxes of Chaos is that in essentials, it stays constant.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Robert Curry
|Sub: Darkness
|Date: 21 Jan 97 18:20:22
EID:2efc 22359280
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e54f36
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Robert Curry said to Robert Burke about Darkness:
RB> I fear not Satan for he is a fool.
RC> Indeed.
RC> Satan once tried to convince me to sell my soul, but when I mentioned
RC> the asking price -- namely, for him either to provide a proof of
RC> Goldbach's Conjecture, or else to supply a counterexample -- that
RC> foolish red tailed fraud came back with some nonsense that only
RC> signified he lacked the first clue about what Goldbach's Conjecture
RC> is...let alone how to prove it or to find a counterexample!
Personally, I hate it when that happens.
... -- Jimson Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: False Christian Scum
|Date: 21 Jan 97 18:44:24
EID:60fe 22359580
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e554d8
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Marty Leipzig said to Jimson Staalin about False Christian Scum:
js> No, I just wandered over when I heard 'mirror'...
ML> Isn't vanity one of your seven deadlies?
No, I think that was china closet that was one of his seven
deadlies . . .
... I have no desire. -- Jimson Staalin
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Deaths Angel
|Sub: Re: Other religion
|Date: 21 Jan 97 19:03:26
EID:2e8c 22359860
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e5594e
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Deaths Angel said to Don Martin about Re: Other religion:
tt> anybody out there practice witchcraft?
tt> if so write me!
DM> It would seem to me that if they _really_ practiced witchcraft,
DM> they would not have to communicate by such mundane means.
da> Not true. Witchcraft is not sending thoughts or reading
da> minds, but the practice of magic through the use of
da> spirits and other worldy creatures. That and the occasinal
da> witch gets lonely for technology, don't you think??? TTYL
da> D~A
More importantly, don't you?
da> ! Origin: The only good christian is a DEAD christian! (1:340/14)
Ah, I see not . . .
... Genocide means never having to say you're sorry.
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The nine satanic stateme
|Date: 21 Jan 97 19:19:28
EID:c440 22359a60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e55d10
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to Robert Burke about The nine satanic stateme:
RS> Again, wrong. You're just lucky that there are educated
RS> people here who can see the source for something that you
RS> appeared to be taking credit for yourself.
rb> Yea I'm trying to pass myself off as Milton. All my posts
rb> are in Old English.
rb> Please.
Whatta maroon . . .
DM> In the last post, you tell Richard that he is "really showing
DM> his ignorance." Then you smug off with the suggestion that Milton
DM> spoke and wrote in Old English, a language not spoken in England for
DM> some three centuries before John's birth. Milton employed a formal
DM> English, with a heavily Latinate vocabulary, but it was a Modern
DM> English.
DM> It helps to know what you are talking about before you berate
DM> others about their ignorance, but then we have come to expect
DM> this sort of thing from thumpers. It is, in fact, another
DM> behavior characteristic of fundies.
DM> That's two.
I forget, what was one?
... No. I have hope though. You give me hope for hell. -- Robert Burke
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: False christian scum
|Date: 21 Jan 97 19:22:30
EID:6f62 22359ac0
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 32e55dc6
RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
Don Martin said to Robert Burke about False christian scum:
RS> Around here, that's considered running away. After all, it
RS> would not be any effort at all for you to capture your post
RS> and reupload it when you respond. However, avoiding
RS> answering the question by saying you already have (falsely or
RS> otherwise) will garner you no respect.
RB> I cannot upload. My modem sucks. I can download fine but it freezes
RB> when I try to upload. You are so blinded by your hatred that your
RB> perception of reality is extremely skewed.