God Damned Fundies!
|From: David Ragland
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: ...
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:15:00
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LB AS> OTOH, it is clear that God does NOT heed the prayers of the wicked.
LB AS> John 9:31. "Now we know that God heareth not sinners;"
LB MK> By their paradoxes shall ye know them. You've just made it impossible
LB MK> for sinners to pray for salvation, Al. :-)
LBLOL!!!
LBBeautiful, Hector, simply beautiful...
And just what is "beautiful" about unfounded and caustic derision pray tell?
LB MK> Admit it -- the whole idea of "answered prayer" is silly, and you
LB MK> can't justify it.
LBCertainly not after he's put so much time into 'explaining' why it isn't
LBanswered when it matters.
A sinner praying for salvation is someone trying to change and become a
new creation. You two are taking what Al said out of context. What's more,
I think you both know that. A sinner "sincerely" praying for salvation
will
no longer be a sinner. 2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ,
he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are
become new. (also reference the sinner's prayer in Romans!) A sinner
assaying to enter the doorway to salvation is a prayer which can be heard
at
any time because of the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of God. A sinner
praying for a new car with no intention of changing his or her life,
however.... You savvy? Of course you do. ;)
By their paradoxes ye know them... indeed.
David Ragland
Cogito Ergo I am not politically correct!
---
SLMR 2.1a If you agree with them, what more can they say?
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:11:30
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P> Besides, it isn't as if Christians are the only ones against
P> homosexuality..
DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones against Jews,
DW> either, right?
Pa> Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good imagination to
Pa> come up with an analogy like that.. There is a bit of a
Pa> difference between Christians and Nazis, as well as between
Pa> gays and Jews.
SS> I don't think you thought that through before posting your
SS> response. Hatred for those who are "not like us" is still hatred no
SS> matter who is using it as an excuse for his behavior. It seems like
SS> a very good analogy to me.
Actually, it is a horrible analogy. WHy? Because Christianity has nothing
to do with hatred, and if one is filled with hatred, I might question his
Christianity..
I hate no one. Just because I disagree with someone strongly, or even disapprove
of their actions or the way they think, does not mean I hate them.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:13:46
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MB> It's not an oxymoron at all. I think that in a truly free
MB> society, people have the right to be wrong. Without the
MB> freedom to be wrong, there is no freedom at all.
P > I would agree, generally, but when life is concerned, I don't
P > think we can afford to be wrong.
MB> Nonsense! Each of us is wrong about something nearly every day of
MB> our lives. If we are smart, we then learn from the experience.
MB> Being denied the right to make bad decisions does nothing but
MB> deprive us of the chance to learn from life.
YEs, we are human, so we are going to be wrong, from time to time, but when
you are speaking of a life or death situation, you just better be VERY sure
of yourself..
Having the right to be wrong is a great thin, but should we allow that,
if it means another's life is ended?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Direct Dialling
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:16:26
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KY> A true Christian should be talking with God every day.. Trouble is,
KY> true Christians appear to me a minority more and more..
DC> Leaving only you, of course, as the "one true xian".
Not at all.. There are still several, but seeing how we are in end times,
there obviously would be less true CHristians than there used to be..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Idiot postings
|Date: 25 Jan 97 14:18:54
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-> On 22 Jan 97 20:47:14, Patriot got back to David Worrell
DC> I see you figured out how to use your alias again, Ken.
Not really.. That message I posted before the ones where I used my real
name..
DW> little of Christ in it, anyway. If you all were honest,
DW> you'd change your name to Paulians.
Pa> FIrst, not all Christians think like Paul.. That is why you may see
DC> Of course they do. All of xianity depends on the teachings of Saul.
DC> Without him, you'd have no dogma to believe.
Funny, and here, I always thought we were to obey CHrist..
And it isn't like he was the only man of God in the Bible..
Pa> Anyway, even if that abbreviation was coined by a Christian, does
Pa> everyone have the same meaning for the abbreviation, as it originally
Pa> was meant?
DC> There you go again, ignoring the facts and worried about the
DC> little things. As to the meaning, they should, as it was
DC> widespread in the days of the early xian religion.
Well, "gay" used to mean happy, now it doesn't.. Words do change in their
meaning, as time goes on.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:53:20
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MB> wrong, there is no freedom at all.
Pa> I would agree, generally, but when life is
Pa> concerned, I don't think we
Pa> can afford to be wrong.
DM> Right you are! With a global population approaching 6
DM> billion, we had better abort ALL of the little bastards!
DM> We'll have a great deal more latitude for right/wrong
DM> considerations when we get the numbers below 1 billion.
I know most would disagree, but I do not believe there is any population
problem at all.. More like a distribution problem, than one having to do
with over population.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:55:12
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SS> Can you point to _anything_ in the Constitution that suggests that
SS> it was meant to found "a Christian government"? No aspect of the
SS> Christian God is mentioned even once in the US Constitution. This
SS> lack is not an oversight but the result of careful thought on the
SS> part of the framers most of whom had quite strong feelings about
SS> keeping religion out of government and government out of religion.
Nope.. I do not claim that the Constitution specifically mentions Christianity.
Though, I will say, I think the Constitution was to a large degree taken
from Christian beliefs.
No, it was no an oversight, but it doesn;t mean Christianity didn't play
a part either. The forefathers of America wanted it to be a Christian nation,
but at the same time, a nation where one could believe differently, if they
wanted to.
They didn't necessarily want religion and politics to stay completely seperate,but
just didn't want the govt. to be able to force or discourage any religious
beliefs..
SS> As you cast about among the founding documents for something
SS> (anything) to support your thesis do also remember that the
SS> Declaration of Independence was written as a propaganda document
SS> designed to encourage citizens to join the cause of revolution and
SS> was never intended to have force of law.
SO, they never meant what it said in the so called Declaration of Independence?
If they didn't mean it, I doubt it they would have said it.
Ken
"Either we are one nation under God, or we are one nation under."
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:01:54
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P> DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones
P> DW> against Jews, either, right?
P>Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good
P>imagination to come up with an
P>analogy like that.. There is a bit of a difference
P>between Christians and
P>Nazis, as well as between gays and Jews.
KW> Doesn't take much imagination to see something right there in front
of
KW> you, 'Patriot'. Why do you spend so much time and energy thinking about
KW> homosexuality, anyway?
No, but it takes a great deal of imagination when it is a fairy tale..
WHile I might be able to think of some I have heard of with Judeo Christian
beliefs that one could argue are Nazis, I have never known any personally..
And again,if they are Nazis they cannot be true Christians, as they would
be against the love Christianity is about.
Why think abnout homosexuality? Maybe because I was replying to what someone
else said..
Also, because I realize it is an unnatural lifestle, that was never meant
to be.
Ken
"I'm not religious, I just love the Lord."
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Andy's on the ropes.
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:07:06
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P> SQ> assume] killing while, uh, "under the influence."
P> Jd> I thought drinking blood was a christian ritual
P> Jd> called 'communion'??
P>Nope.. That is all symbolism..
KW> WEll, so much for your bible. . .
My Bible never says that we are eating the flesh or drinking the blood,
when taking part in communion. It is pretty clear ion the Bible, that that
is purely symbolic.
Ken
"Salvation is what God gives a sinner who knows he cannot justify himself."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Joseph Keenan
|Sub: Celsus
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:10:38
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P>>Not lying, more like trying.. We are only human,
P>>and are far from perfect.
>>Yes, Christians should be different from the rest,
>>at least spiritually. Bu
>>unfortunately, now and then, CHristians may let
>>their carnality take over.
JK> At least in a x-ian mentality was not a body given to them by
JK> their god? Why would a person need a body if not to pleasure the body?
JK> It seems that x-ians "let their carnality" take over a lot of
JK> the times. Jim Baker even robbed his own church. Jimmy Swagart didn;t
JK> even know what to do with a prostitue. He just sat there and played
with
JK> himself in front of one.
Sure, our bodies are to be used for pleasure, but at the right place and
the right time.. Oh yes, and in the right way.
Of course Christians let their carnality take over, they are human. Especially
well known ministers, as they are under a lot of pressure, and sometimes
think they can handle it all.
That was, I believe, because Swaggart could not bring himself to cross a
line. He could only go so far.
As far as Baker goes, I do not know if he was a Christian or not, but how
did he rob the church? Not like he forced anyone to give him money.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:15:18
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Jd> It's similar to the difficulty you have in announcing 'I'm a White
Jd> Supremicist" on your arrival here!
P> ANd what makes you think I am a white supremicist? Because I'm a
P> Christian?
Jd> 'Patriots' anti-immigrant and homo-hatred postings on several BBS's
Jd> leave no doubt. Have you recanted?
Several BBS's? Do I know you from somewhere else?
I am against homosexuality, but that does not mean I hate gays. Far from
it.
You mean you hate everyone that might do something or believe something,
that you might disagree with?
Anti-immigrant? Again, far from it.. ANyone can come to America that wants
to. What I specifically would be against are ILLEGAL immigrants.
P> Actually, that would be going against the Christian faith.
Jd> Oh?...Christian belief is a prerequisite for membership in the KKK.
Wrong. They may have some beliefs they got from the Bible, (usually so
they can use it to excuse their actions) but they are not Christian. I
do believe their violent actions would kind of be against the teachings
of Christ.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Driving Mr. Daisy
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:22:00
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Jd> Well why don't you? Next time, just put the keys in the ignition, and
Jd> slide over to the passenger side, and leave the driving to god.
Jd> Let us know how far you get, idiot.
KY> The body must be ours, but perhaps if we let God guide our
KY> thinking a little more, this would be a better place.
Jd> That's been tried already - the period known as "THE DARK AGES".
Well, what are we in now, the "age of enlightenment?"
No, actually there was no time when society in general went according to
God's will completely.. Nor will there be, on this earth, anyway..
Ken
"If you don't believe there is a god, just look around you."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Flesh and Blood
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:25:04
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-> On 22 Jan 97 17:28:28, Patriot got back to Jan deBoer
Jd> I thought drinking blood was a christian ritual called 'communion'??
Pa> Nope.. That is all symbolism..
Jd> Symbolic of christian cannibilism?
No, but thanks for playing, anyway..
It is symbolic for the sacrifice CHrist made on the cross, so we could be
saved from sin.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJ
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:40:14
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RS> called to a newness of
ML> BJ> life. Our walk as Christians is to conform,
ML> BJ> by God's grace and mercy,
ML> BJ> to this calling.
ML> "Called to conform"? Well, so much for that "free will" thing.
RS> Touche... That was a zinger! :)
We are called to "conform," yes, but we still have the free will to do that
or not..
ML> I've never died; so by your curious brand of "logic", death must
ML> be meaningless and I can't study it's effects.
RS> He also assumed I'm hostile to Christianity. I'm not. I'm a
RS> critic. There *is a difference* :) I am actively hostile to the
RS> hostile parts of Christi(ins)anity. :)
You sure seem it to me.. SO then, am I just a critic when it comes to the
things I disagree with?
Hostile? I keep hearing this, yet no one can gives me examples..
Ken
"In case of rapture, this line will be free."
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 28 Jan 97 23:45:00
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RS> * On 27-12-96 at 09:34, NATE COOKSON wrote to SALLY SPRINGETT,
RS> on the topic of "Cheese Whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
NC> ""Abortion stops a beating Heart""
RS> ... so does the death penalty.
AH, but that is ending the life of the guilty.. Abortion is killing the
innocent. A bit of a difference there..
RS> ... so does killing a {gay person/witch/heretic/atheist/doctor}
RS> for your god...
I would agree with you there.. Fortunately, I do not know anyone that would
kill any of those people, just because of the labels you gave them above.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Quote
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:12:29
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PID: FM 2.02
I wasn't lying - I just didn't have the stats right there next
to me, okay? - Jonathan Fingas
When caught lying for his gods about the death cult's membership,
what's his "defense?" No, he wasn't lying, he was just mouthing off his
master's preprogramming.
~*~ God never intended for there to be sex with the same race. - Steve
Lew
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Hypocritical fundy death cultists
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:18:11
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PID: FM 2.02
JF> It's just that fanatics use those teachings (usually in
JF> selective, ignorant snippings) as a facilitator.
dm> Nobody says that fanatics are logical thinkers. I _do_ say that
dm> fanatics are a danger to civil society, and that their antisocial
dm> behaviors are rooted in their delusional belief systems.
Ask the fuck if he wears mixed fibres, cuts his hair, has ever had a female
teacher, or eats pork. Talk about selecting what fundies will and won't
obey.
dm> Those who attempt to stuff their fallacious leaps from "ANY" to
dm> "ALL" into the mouths of others are, in my humble opinion, lying
dm> sacks of shit.
This guy could almost be Staal using another alias.
~*~ "assassinating his character"? Goat, man, his
character has committed SUICIDE. [snicker] - Preston Simpson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Uh, um not a Fundy, I just talk like one
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:21:31
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PID: FM 2.02
JF> In my own home, there are even more examples that I'm not
JF> fundamentalist. I wouldn't play games like Diablo (which has
JF> pentagrams and demons aplenty); I wouldn't watch some of the TV shows
JF> I do, like The X-Files; I wouldn't listen to some rock music. You're
JF> proving just how little you know or understand.
For some reason he elected not to include the fact that he's
a lying bastard incapable of understanding even the simplest of science.
He's a fundy. His need to forget little details and his inability to learn
what his paper idol actually says is obvious.
dc> Pentagrams and demons must be evil! He can't control them.
dc> Let's all hide from the next computer game that comes out!
dc> Quickly, or they'll see your shadow and follow!
Pretty sick, yes. Freud got it right when he considered deity oriented
occultism a mental condition requireing therapy to overcome.
JF> How do you know what happens in my home? You're either a
jf> stalker, or you're just trying to pad your ego.
dc> Can Jonathan understand the word, 'paranoid'?
It wouldn't surprise me if he's just a 14-year-old whos mommy doesn't know
he's on the computer and whos daddy just doesn't care.
~*~ "The residential apartment complex's first floor was leveled in the
earthquake...crushing many penises in the process." - Steve Rose
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Critial thinking did it, Al
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:36:09
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AS> I know the dark ages well, Jan.
jd> Obviously - mentally, you're still in them!
He and his fellow death cultists are working hard to bring about the next
one.
AS> I also knew who led us out of them. And why.
jd> Oh, DO tell us, Al.....
It was critical thinking which brought about the end to the last Dark Age.
~*~ The wheels of scientific inquiry and discovery
are greased by caffeine. - Marty Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:40:30
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dr> I agree. Becke is also overlooking the issue of the sovereignty of
dr> God here, Al. I mean, if someone is to question His right to make
dr> someone pregnant, then you must also question His right to create us
dr> as He did.
My guess is you know zero about biology and molecular biology. But then
were you to learn you wouldn't be able to continue being as Christanic death
cultist.
Do you have _any_ idea what "atrophied evolutionary coden sequences" means?
~*~ Besides, I was an atheist infidel; what could I
possibly know about "God"? - Marty Leipzig
Show them the one you carved out of wood. . . . - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:42:33
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PID: FM 2.02
SS> I don't think you thought that through before posting your
SS> response. Hatred for those who are "not like us" is still hatred no
SS> matter who is using it as an excuse for his behavior. It seems like
SS> a very good analogy to me.
ky> Actually, it is a horrible analogy. WHy? Because Christianity has
ky> nothing to do with hatred, and if one is filled with hatred, I might
ky> question his Christianity..
Nearly every race hate organization in the United States is a Christian
organization which meets in Christanic churches. The KKK, Aryan Nations,
Church of Jesus Christ Christian, all the Identity brand names, the Sword
and the Cross, Mormons, Baptists, Focus on the Family... they're all hate
organizations, Ken, and every one of them Christian.
Pretending your death cult is anything other than hate is to deny all of
the death cult's history. That's silly and stupid.
~*~ it's that the power you worship is an inept, defeated, dog.
- Don Geser (A Christian fundy pretending atheists worship the
Christian "Satan" deity construct.)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Direct Dialling
|Date: 30 Jan 97 16:44:02
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KY> A true Christian should be talking with God every day.. Trouble is,
KY> true Christians appear to me a minority more and more..
DC> Leaving only you, of course, as the "one true xian".
ky> Not at all.. There are still several, but seeing how we are in end
ky> times, there obviously would be less true CHristians than there used
to
ky> be..
Ah, yes... The latest "end times..." about the 7,000th since Paul/Saul
created the death cult.
Perhaps you should actually crack open your paper idol and read what it
says, Ken. The so-called "Jesus" mythos was made to claim that it would
return within the lifetimes of its followers.
Guess what? They're all dead.
Every death cultist thought their generation was the "end times," Ken.
It's ego which makes death cultists want to pretend that the world won't
continue after they themselves die.
Pretty sick, actualy, but then we're talking Christianity here.
~*~ To have an understanding of the universe one doesn't need
scientific technology. - Andrew Conner (A New Age Creationist)
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sav
|Date: 30 Jan 97 00:31:34
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On Jan 29 03:37 97, Dan Ceppa of 1:123/67.5 wrote:
DC> Your god has big tits?
More importantly: Do they drag on the floor?
Four more years! - Live with it!
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: AL'S GOD OF LOVE
|Date: 28 Jan 97 16:59:00
EID:f3bd 223c8760
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Y'know, sometimes I think atheists, quite frankly, would PREFER the
AS> OT God, who appears as a pillar of fire at night, who parts the Red
AS> Sea, who hits people with leprosy for questioning their leader. They
AS> would prefer a
AS> powerful but rather heavy-handed God to one who sits back, and hands
AS> us the key to Paradise, points out the door, and waits for us to use
AS> the key ourselves.
I know I would. If there just HAS to be such a thing, I want Him
out in the open, not -maybe- hiding in the shadows waiting to bite
me when I die.
... "Taglines: Your last chance to really piss off the other guy!"
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: ASK AND YE SHALL RECE
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:02:00
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Nope. I've had prayers which I THINK were answered...but I'm saying
AS> the sort of miraculous stuff that some here are demanding. And also
AS> trying to reason from what the NT says...
Al, that's called rationalisation. You're looking for -any- way
to make sense out of nonsense.
Next you'll be joining the ICR....
... I tried to drown my problems but they can swim.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BABY IN CRITICAL COND
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:07:00
EID:9103 223c88e0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> But since we know nothing of the afterlife except few hints, we
AS> don't know if there is any sort of preperation needed for the
AS> afterlife. We might mess up things by doing it too soon...
Not even YHVH could blame the children for your actions.
AS> And the ones we kill might have a purpose that God intended them to
AS> complete, which we might foil by killing them...
Giving you the power to thwart God? I doubt it.
AS> And killing corrupts the KILLER, makes them callous...
Beside the point. You're gonna burn for it anyway. This is to
benefit the kids, by assuring them Heaven.
AS> And finally, I'm not killing my kids, and that's that!
Tsk, tsk. Selfish, Al.
... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BACTERIA AND EVOLUTIO
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:09:00
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-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Because I think the whole reason of existence is for us to learn how
AS> to make moral decisions without being forced to.
RH> Foolish, Al, as long as Hell looms in the background. It only
RH> makes sense under reincarnation.
AS> You may be right.
Ah, another chink in the armor? There's hope for you yet.
The scales over your eyes are softening!
... Fun, fun, fun, 'til her daddy takes her Blue Wave away!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:10:00
EID:03a5 223c8940
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> What if there is an imprint on the soul that allows the brain to
AS> impress the "mind" on it?
What if your mind was copied into a computer? Would it be YOU
or would it just think it was you?
... Don't worry - Cthulhu LIKES your sense of humor.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:14:00
EID:03a5 223c89c0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Odd. I didnt' think we helped sociopaths, but rather, locked them up.
AS> And in some cases execute them.
Did you lose the thread? The idea was that you saw evidence for God in
human actions which have no genetic advantage, such as altruism.
My point was that sociopathy has no genetic advantage either and
thus is evidence for God.
And you showed WHY it has no genetic advantage.
Thanks! Are you convinced then?
... Me.. a skeptic? I trust you have evidence.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORMONISM IS CHRISTIA
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:15:00
EID:e5d3 223c89e0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> I remember seeing it, so it can't have been TOO long ago....
AS> Within the last two weeks?
I don't remember....
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: 'BIBLE PROPHESY'
|Date: 28 Jan 97 17:53:00
EID:e53f 223c8ea0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan Deboer <=-
AS> No, Jan. You can't split it up. You have to read it all together. The
AS> death of say, Joan of Arc, or the Christians killed in the Crusasdes
AS> or the Holy Wars proves nothing. (Or those who died in jihads or any
AS> other religious persausion, as long as they don't claim to have
AS> PERSONALLY witnessed the miracles that started their religion.) But
AS> those who claimed
AS> to have seen such, and were willing to die for it? Or be tortured or
AS> executed? And others, of the same time, who might be able to verify
AS> some details with those in Jerusalem? Yes, I do think it significant.
This confuses me, Al. Why is is any different?
Someone dies for their belief, a belief without evidence.
Someone else dies for their belief in something they claim
to have seen.
What's the difference? The first even had greater faith.
They're both dead.
... If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BACTERIA AND EVOLUTIO
|Date: 28 Jan 97 18:49:00
EID:5722 223c9620
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Marilyn Burge <=-
MB> Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.
AS> If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves, and the truth
AS> is not in us.
Oboy! Dueling quotes! Who has the banjo?
Uh...Al, you just pointed out another biblical contradiction.
... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so...
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: GOD: PSYCHOPATHIC LIA
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:20:00
EID:a9e7 223c9a80
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Jan Deboer <=-
Jd> Youv'e created your god in your owm image, Al, someone who tries to
Jd> 'put one over' with every conceivable fallacy, false analogy and
AS> verbal trickery.
AS> Then why does the idea of hell still bother me?
Because you still have a shred of human decency left in you?
Because religion has not -totally- rotted your brain yet?
Build on that foundation, Al.
... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: NATIVE AMERICANS
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:50:00
EID:6aab 223c9e40
-=> Quoting Don Martin to Dan Ceppa <=-
RH> the travois will not move backwards.
DM> On the Great Plaines of the U.S., before the Coming of the White
DM> Man, U-turns were permitted.
Pay attention, Don. We were discussing the advantages of the travois.
Not rolling backwards, as a cart will do, is an advantage on rolling
ground.
DC> Such a device does have it's points. (Did I say that?) But,
DC> that's why brakes were invented.
See? HE understood the point.
DM> To help the travois move backward?
But you didn't.
... Pardon Me, But Would You Have Any Blue Poupon?
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: OF THREATS OF HELL...
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:54:00
EID:4e44 223c9ec0
-=> Quoting Mark Kimes to Al Schroeder <=-
AS> enough of such instances, even in non-Christian cultures...that the
AS> accumulated evidence for an afterlife experience might be considered
AS> worth investigating.
MK> ROFL! I guess you aren't aware that they can reproduce NDEs with a
MK> centrifuge, Al?
Really? Reference, please. Seriously, I'm interested.
... I can't believe that out of 100,000 sperm, you were the quickest. -
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: OMNI-SADISTIC
|Date: 28 Jan 97 19:57:00
EID:bb88 223c9f20
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Robert Curry <=-
AS> You know, it's odd how some people will castigate simplistic
AS> fallacies in others and not notice it in themselves. Presence doesn't
AS> mean identity. Jesus specifically identifies Himself with the
AS> downtrodden, not the oppressor.
But Al, you started it, by claiming God was experiencing the rape
because of it. Are you retracting omnipresent then?
... Do what you will with this tagline, just don't bother me about it!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: PROPHESY THIS!
|Date: 28 Jan 97 20:01:00
EID:12c6 223ca020
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Judith Bandsma <=-
AS> Judith, I'm sorry, I can't answer questions about freewill, God, and
AS> the existence of the universe in two sentences. People write books and
AS> books and books about this stuff. It's easy to go...well..."Is not!"
AS> It's harder
AS> to actually answer the question, and not have a simplification which
AS> makes little sense, without expanding it.
Oh hell, Al, I can do it in one sentence.
The first two do not exist and we're still debating the third.
How's that?
... Fun, fun, fun, 'til her daddy takes her Blue Wave away!
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|From: Sue Armstrong
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Tag that line!
|Date: 27 Jan 97 16:34:00
EID:b315 223b8440
PID: BWQBBS 2.90e Beta [Reg]
MSGID: 1:246/15.0 32efd83d
TID: GE 1.11+
Making a good die roll, Fredric Rice cast Tag that line! at Jason Harmon
.. and all hell broke loose.
DC> ... "Your weapon of love is making me feel all fuzzy inside." J
DC> Harmon ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
jh> I've been taglined by God Dan! I finally have a status symbol!
FR> That's step #1. Next comes getting in the FAQ. _Then_ you need to
FR> get a curse laid upon you by a fundamentalist -- to "save" you, of
FR> course. }:-}
FR> When you get all three tokens, you win an award. }:-}
You forgot about getting "Mistered" by Staal.
--Wolfie
"HEY! No step on flowers, stupid ape!"
-Moonspinner
lupus Fianna Galliard
Keeper of the Land, High Park Sept, Toronto
... "I brake for animals; I floor it for Fundies!"
--- GEcho 1.11+
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|From: Richard Smith
|To: ALL
|Sub: IIIIIIII'mmmmmmmmm bbbbaaaacccckkkk!!!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:35:27
EID:4e00 223dac60
MSGID: 1:203/9046.0 2f0094c0
And just when you thought it was safe to post again. I've
got a HUGE mail packet ready, since all I have of HS for the
last month was old packets, which I've now scoured clean.
Watch for it in a day or so.
It's nice to be back, btw. I can't tell you how much I've
missed this place . . .
Quid, Me Anxius Sum?
Richard
Smith
--- timEd 1.01
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Personal jabs
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:19:00
EID:17e9 223daa60
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 2309e8da
26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marty Leipzig to Jan deBoer:
ML> 8.73289174129: the cube root of the Beast
ML> 89.9139703657: the arctangent of the Beast
ML> 999...the Number of the Beast in Australia.
Don't forget-
666F: oven temperature for Roast Beast.
25 or 666 to 4: Chicago tune of the Beast.
Phillips 666: gas station of the Beast.
edweird
... Herbie the sperm turned & shouted, "Go back! It's just a blowjob!"
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: al debunks apple sauc
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:30:14
EID:c3b5 223dabc0
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 cf17fc52
26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marty Leipzig to Don Martin:
DM> "Euripides?"
DM> "No, they just tore by themselves."
LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL! LOL!
LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL! LOL!
LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!
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LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL! LOL!
ML> "This is the story of Oedipus Rex.
ML> You may have heard of his odd complex.
ML> His name appears in Freud's index.
ML> Because he loved his mother."
ML> "So be kind to your mother,
ML> take her to lunch, have a chat.
ML> Or maybe buy her a brand new hat.
ML> Perhaps you'd better leave it at that.
ML> Or you'll end up with a rather complex complex,
ML> Like old Oedipus,
ML> [I'd rather marry a duckbilled platypus],
ML> Than be like old Oedipus Rex!"
A young man named Oedipus Rex
Found a babe who exuded pure sex
They ravished each other
'Til they both did discover
The wench was his mother
Now they're total pathological wrecks.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: MAYBE A Change In Plans
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:41:51
EID:cdf5 223dad20
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 1ac4a881
21 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from DAVID RICE to ALL:
DR> California. That person would pay her ot his expenses
DR> (I cannot afford the fare to send her or him back).
DR> Conversely, if the power boat owner's spouse does not
DR> let him take his boat to Florida, I will be shoving
DR> off to the Marquesas on time, the first or second
DR> week of April 1997.
Since you are obviously doing this just to see how many shades
of green you can turn me, I suppose I should try to get a photo
scanned so I can file attach it and maybe you'll consider the job
finished and stop doing this to me. It freaks people out when I
show up at work the color of guacamole. :)
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Quentin Fai
|Sub: Orion?
|Date: 29 Jan 97 21:50:38
EID:b0db 223dae40
MSGID: 1:105/24.12 d4ac7a66
REPLY: 1:105/302.666 14350133
27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Marilyn Burge to Quentin Fai:
MB> On (25 Jan 97) Quentin Fai babbled to Judith Bandsma...
QF> I need to glue his leg back on, though. My brother put a box of donuts
QF> on top of my computer, and accidentally knocked him over. I have to
QF> find a more secure place to put him, but he just looks so damned neat
QF> on top of my
QF> computer.
MB> Maybe if you invested in a small package of Play-Doh you could
MB> use four small dollops of it on his feet to get them to "stick"
MB> to the top of your computer. I'm not positive it would work,
MB> but it seems like it might.
Myself, I'm a heavy consumer of that double-sticky-sided foam tape
for mounting (huh huh) pictures. Keeps the klutz of a cat, Buttwink,
from knocking things all over whenever he has one of his schizoid
spells and suddenly bolts for no fucking reason whatsoever, usually
from whatever place has the most knick-knacks.
edweird
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:09:06
EID:d7fd 223db120
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27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Judith Bandsma to Jonathan Fingas:
-=> Jonathan Fingas spoke thusly to Don Martin <=-
JF> It shows that you're not intelligent enough to come up with real words
JF> or more useful and valid insults.
JB> May a syphillitic camel give birth to twins in your living room and
JB> mistake you for the afterbirth.
Thanks a pantload. Your aim was just a little off.
Now I've got a bloody mess in my Maytag.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: FAQ!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:12:04
EID:d130 223db180
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26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Martin Goldberg to Ed Mills:
MG> No, you said "stockard" but I layed carol on you just for fun.
EM> The "Stockard" got edited out, for some reason. Not
EM> Carol. Now I have to go puke again.
EM> Did you see "Kingpin?" There's a funny scene where
EM> Harrelson hugs porcelain after screwing his hideous landlady for
MG> I almost never go to movies.
I hardly do, either. VCR.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: The Fickle Finger
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:14:54
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26 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Martin Goldberg to Ed Mills:
EM> George, I've accepted the Lord as my personal saviour.
MG> I've always wondered what this "personal savior" bullshit was about.
MG> Is it something like a deoderant?
No, it's more like a really humongous Fleet enema.
edweird
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|From: Ed Mills
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Hi Ed
|Date: 29 Jan 97 22:19:14
EID:aeee 223db260
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27 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Mimi Milstein to Ed Mills:
GM> Hang in there and persevere - there *is* a reward ahead for
GM> all of us who believe in the shed blood of Jesus.
MM> Congratulation Edweird - it worked :-)))
Not quite in time for the last installment of Esquire's "Dubious
Achievement Awards," alas.
I was told to watch out what I prayed for, or I might just get
it. Not me, no sir, uh uh. :)
edweird
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:24:22
EID:e4cb 223d8b00
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Pa> to say, sure.. But not like it blasphemes His name or anything..
DW> Actually, "fuck" has never been much of a vulgarism. The word originated
DW> on naval vessels. When a sailor was caught unlawfully
DW> fooling around in port, the reason for punishment was entered in the
log
DW> as "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", or the acronym F.U.C.K. for short.
DW> Most other words of this sort (piss and shit, for example) have a long
DW> history as well, going as far back as Chaucer. In fact, the labeling
of
DW> them as "profanities" is a relatively recent, and mainly American,
DW> phenomenon.
Pity American society had to go and cheapen a natural act like that.. Does
this mean American society is more obsessed with sex and bodily functions
than other societies?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:26:10
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Pa> And if you do your homework, you will discover most of the foundign
Pa> father of the USA, were Christians..
ML> Fleeing from Christian tyranny.
Nope, but nice try.. Rather, they were escaping from religious tyranny.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: RE: MOST READ BOOK
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:28:10
EID:a103 223d8b80
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BB>> Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions,
BB>> set up to terrify and
BB>> enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit..." (1)
KY> That is not the church, but rather, manmade churches.. I am speaking
KY> more of Christianity itself..
BB> There is a big difference between a single Christian and a church. At
any
BB> rate, the same quote would apply to Christianity in
BB> general. Even organized
BB> religion in general. Diety constucts are human inventions, no more or
no
BB> less. Behind the bunnies and white light theology, there are far more
BB> mistanthropic ulterior motives.
Not Christianity in general, but rather, manmade Christianity. In other
words, religious dogma. True Christianity is another thing entirely..
How do you know that every single diety that has been thought of, has just
been thought of? Isn't it at least possible that a supernatural being created
all of this?
KY> Actually, I tend to agree.. Many churches could
KY> be good, but sometimes
KY> when a denomination is involved, they get too big
KY> for their britches..
BB> What, in particular, is good about churches?? Give me some examples.
Well, seeing as you won't believe so more will get saved, I will give you
other examples..
CHurches often help those in need, whether it be those without food, shelter,
whatever.. Many churches feed the homeless, when there is a disaster, they
will send people to help, and they help the less fortunate around the world,
as well.
ALso, there have been churches to have very successful programs to help
people get out of drugs and alchohol.. One of the most succesful programs
is Teen Challenge, which comes from the Assmeblies Of God, a Pentecostal
denomination..
Besides all that, even if you don't believe, worship does do a lot of good
for many peoples' spirits.. It uplifts them.
Now, if I may ask, what in particular, is bad about churches?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: RE: READING INCOMPREHENSI
|Date: 29 Jan 97 17:41:38
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BB>
BB>> disturb the fundamentalists, who claim to follow the
KY> Actually, of the churches I have been in, it seems that men and women
KY> speak in tounges in church, pretty equally..
BB> Not in any of the tongue speaking churches *I* have been to (mostly
BB> pentecostal and assemblies of god). I've found, in my
BB> own observation, that
BB> women did the speaking in tongues 90% percent of the time, and the men
did
BB> the interpretation nearly 100%.
That much? Was it usually the same women?
Well, all I can say, is I usually have seen it fairly equally, with women
maybe slightly more, but not by much..
Now, I will say that some are likely just trying to show off, but with many,
it is a very real experience..
Hmm.. Oh well.. The churches I have been in, is seemed men did do the majority
of interpretations, but I would say maybe by 75%.
KY> How is it not following biblical directives? Paul says women are not
KY> to speak in church.. Well, one could argue that it is not the woman
KY> that is speaking, but God.
BB> Any evidence of this?? Concrete evidence, m'dear.
I said, "one could argue.." The general belief is that the authors of
the Bible were just tools of God, and they were not the ones that came up
with the stuff.. The same way, one when speaking in church should be really
saying whatever God lies on their heart.
BB>> the woman not to teach or to exercise authority over men...."
KY> What is meant there is that women should be
KY> careful that they don't let
KY> pride and vanity get the better of them..
BB> And men are not subject to the same standards?? My, my...how misogynistic.
As I said already, though you apparently think is a crock, men and women
are very different. We may be equal, but with different traits, generally
given to each of the two sexes..
KY> Men and women obviously were made differently, so doesn't it stand to
KY> reason that they might have different roles in life?
BB> No, it doesn't. The only thing that really sets us apart are genitals.
BB> Feeling threatened because women are moving in on your
BB> precious "territory"?
SO, men are no more masculine than women? Women are no more feminine than
men? Generally, one in each sex, has certain roles to play.
Territory? I am not exactly the typical guy, so I would actually love to
be the one raising the kids at home, and all of that stuff. But I know
that usually, that is just not how it is meant to be.
And actually if a woman can do a job usually thought of as a man's job,
better than a man, she is welcome to it, in my book.. However, that is
a very rare situation.
KY> Maybe because it isn't a religion of suppression,
KY> but rather, a belief
KY> system of freedom.
BB> A system of freedom? What a fucking joke. Where's the freedom in it?
More than anything else, because you have the free will to believe or not..
KY> adults.. That is because they are not fully
KY> developed, and need time to
KY> find out what type of person they are. That being the case, someone
KY> needs to make sure they are doing what is right, and to a point,
KY> control them.. AFter all, you wouldn't let a kid do whatever he
KY> wanted, would you?
BB> How the hell are they supposed to find out what type of
BB> person they are when
BB> someone such as yourself would spend all your time shoving your religious
BB> dogma down their throats?? It wasn't until I was *far*
BB> away from my parents
Actually, I do not think I would shove my religious beliefs down my kids'
throats, though that would depend upon your definition of "shoving beliefs
down one's throat." I have found, that often when religion is forced, the
kids turn against it..
I will tell them how I feel, and what I believe, but the decision will still
be theirs.
There must be an in between.. You need to let your kids be kids and grow
up, but at the same time be there to give them the proper discipline.
BB> that I began to find out who I really am, what I want
BB> out of life. And who is
BB> to determine what is "right"? "Right" is a very subjective term. What
I
BB> consider right may be something you consider abhorent.
Keeping that in mind, then you cannot really say that Christianity is definitely
"wrong."
BB> A parent's job is one
BB> more of guidance than of control. You can let your
BB> child know your thoughts
BB> on something, but in the end, it will be the child
BB> making the decision, and
BB> the child suffering the consequences of whatever
BB> decisions they make. That's
BB> how they learn, m'dear. What you are proposing is downright child abuse.
Child abuse? So, do you believe we shouldn't discipline our children at
all?
It is of control somewhat, I believe.. You just need to know when to let
go of how much control. Shouldn't a parent have some "control" over her
2-year-old?
BB>> do.
KY> Not all forms of Christianity are as dogmatic as some.. And just
KY> because your step-father greatly abused the Bible
BB> for his own purposes,
KY> does not mean all Christians are like this.
BB> Yet, my step-father was held up as a shining example of Christianity
while
BB> for his own purposes,
May I ask what type of church, denomination wise this was in?
Well, just because one is accepted, doesn't mean anything about his character.
They may have thought highly of him, but I pretty sure they didn't know
what he was doing, either.
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 29 Jan 97 18:16:08
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KY> Accept it or not, Christianity is about love.. Not quite a Nazi
KY> belief..
DH> You poor, pathetic, ignorant bastard. You condemn people for grouping
DH> violent xtians in with nonviolent ones. Do you not know enough
DH> history to realize that in pre-war Germany, Nazi was equivalent
DH> to Republican?
I never said anything in favor of Republicans, either.
DH> Any decent family, common-sense-oriented voter in Germany that
DH> helped bring Hitler to power would have simply said that as events
DH> unfolded, Hitler and the SS were Not-True-Nazi's. Just like you
DH> with your Not-True-Christian, you sheltered moron.
I would agree that he wasn't a true Christian. Hitler was an Occultist.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 29 Jan 97 18:19:34
EID:6294 223d9260
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KY> But God is not human.. He is perfect, and just the fact that many
KY> of us don't see that, shows how very imperfect the human
KY> race is.
MG> Perfect? Why does he starve people to death?
I wasn't aware God did that.. People do that all on their own.
I doubt very much if he is specifically keeping food from people..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: So Long
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:24:00
EID:441d 22379b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74a50
* On 27-12-96 at 13:37, AL SCHROEDER wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "So Long" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> MG> No one need call my wife about his, as she is about to die from
AS> MG> picking all the almonds out of the mixed nuts again.
AS> Well, that does it.
AS> No way a merciful God could allow an abomination like that song.
AS> I guess I'm going to have to become an atheist...
I wish you would get a wriggle on and denounce your faith and
make a pact with us atheists and agnostics today :) :)
Rod "...you can be just like Michael Hardy, Al" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A Magick Book that sticks with you: The VELCRONOMICON
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: The steve winter faq [
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:28:02
EID:1413 22379b80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74b42
* On 21-12-96 at 19:52, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to DON MARTIN,
on the topic of "The steve winter faq [2/2" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> And Concentric has him by the balls with their counter-suit because
all
JB> they need is just what they have...copies of his posts from about 40
JB> different sources, and his own agreement to their terms of service.
The
JB> reason they aren't caving in and paying him off is because they know
JB> they are right and it will essentially bankrupt him when it goes to
court.
JB> When that happens, Stevie's going to be too broke to afford the stamps
for
JB> snail mail and I doubt if ANY ISP in the country would take a chance
on
JB> him. It will be justice to see him get himself thrown out of the computer
JB> community from his own actions.
I have one fear...
He'll then scream "martyr" and his bleating sheep followers will
bankroll him further :(
Maybe we can get a court order to enforce a cancelbot against any
Steve Winter posts :)
Rod "...the moron deserves to be removed from the net for a
loooong time" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * C programmer run, C programmer crash, C programmer quit.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: the other shoe
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:47:06
EID:188d 22379de0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e74fba
* On 29-12-96 at 11:47, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "the other shoe" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> August 13th? I wondered about you complimenting me for something months
AS> ago. Now you are castigating me for it, too?
I never complimented you :)
AS> I notice you are also doing
AS> similar things to Marilyn and others. And people thought _I_ must have
a
AS> lot of time...you are going back and reading Holy Smoke for MONTHS
back?
Actually, no. I've been too busy to get back to the packets :)
AS> RS> This melodramatic clap-trap still does not validate the fact that
AS> RS> you deprived David of his LIBERTIES of choice and control over
AS> RS> his own affairs.
AS> RS> Your interference meant you played god with another person's
AS> RS> life, and now the lives of a number of people. You have lost all
AS> RS> respect earned in the views of others because of your unethical
AS> RS> behaviour.
AS> RS> If you had done this same thing to me, I would be castigating you
AS> RS> further than I am now.
AS> RS> What right did you have to play God? What right did you have for
AS> RS> YOUR choices to override David's choices? What right did you
AS> RS> have to usurp David's decisions and choices and institute your
AS> RS> own?
AS> RS> What right did you have in telling others about David, rather
AS> RS> than David doing it on his own time, and in his own way -- if
AS> RS> necessary at all?
AS> RS> Now, after answering all those questions, reanswer them
AS> RS> substituting "RESPONSIBILITY" for "RIGHT"
AS> RS> You will find you are NOT responsible for David's life,
AS> RS> happiness, or choices. Ergo, you should not override them.
AS> RS> Your actions are an insult to all other humans who value their
AS> RS> freedom, Al.
AS> RS> Rod "... if you'd abused my freedoms and choices the way you have
AS> RS> done with David, I'd not be wanting to commit suicide anymore,
AS> RS> but retribution..." Swift :(
AS> Rod. While you're looking through old posts, look for one that ends
with
AS> me saying, "As far as I'm concerned, the 'Other Shoe' is DROPPED."
AS> I could comment about a lot of things. But the key to it was two
AS> misunderstandings or misassumptions...I assumed an individual knew
more
AS> about the matter than they did, and a different individual assumed
I knew
AS> more about another matter than I did.
I see it as a plain case of you being a nosey person :) I find
this an outrageous thing. I also tried to stay away from the
Rice issue, and move towards a pre-emptive warning -- don't mess
with my private life.
AS> Neither will be explicitedly laid out to you. The matter is dropped.
Too bad. You could have learned from it.
AS> No other posts concerning the matter will EVER be responded to by me.
You
AS> have not the information to understand, and I by no means am going
to give
AS> it.
What else could we expect from fundies... No disproof of our
lack-of-beliefs :) Spoiled brat, take the ball, bat and
homeplate... Go on... bye!
Take a powder already!
AS> I am only responding to you NOW because it was before your time here,
AS> and you may not have come across that post yet. Nor will I respond
to it
AS> from anyone else.
Don't make silly assumptions. I was reading for months before I
posted :)
AS> I notice in another post you accused me of "sucking up" to you.
You were all over me, delving for personal information, no doubt
for your dossier on me :)
AS> Now, if you will excuse me, I will go back to reading the article
about
AS> TIME's man of the year.
I love you, Al. Honestly. All you have to do is give up your
delusional religion :)
Rod "...we do, honestly" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Database administrators do it with their relations.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:49:08
EID:ed89 22379e20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75034
* On 29-12-96 at 02:40, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (21 Dec 96) Rod Swift wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> RS> On 11-08-96 at 20:14, JIM STAAL wrote to RICHARD SMITH:
JS> RS> Bullshit. Many ex-Davidians had reported the acts perpetrated
JS> RS> inside the cult's ranks. There'd even been quite indepth
JS> RS> journalist reports into the cult's activities, the division and
JS> RS> rift that formed that led Vernon Howell to the leadership of the
JS> RS> cult and the ousting of previous cult leaders, etc, etc.
JS> But there was no proof.
You say that so boldly. Wasn't there a congressional
investigation?
Rod "...oh, that's not evidence. It's not in your bible (which
alternates, probably, between the Holy Bible, and the guidebook
issued by the Michigan Militia, no?)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Nuke a godless homeless commie gay baby whale for Christ!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:50:10
EID:3b03 22379e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75072
* On 29-12-96 at 02:42, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> They have the right, but I do agree that the government cannot legislate
JS> JS> morality, and that, inasmuch as it does no harm to someone else,
the
JS> JS> country wouldl be better off financially if the drug laws were relaxed
JS> JS> in regards to use and possession.
JS> RS> So you believe that all laws against criminalising the sexual
JS> RS> acts of gay people practiced in private settings should be also
JS> RS> removed?
JS> Are there still any enforced? Either way, yes, it is their business.
Yes, it is on the books in about 2 dozen states :) Didn't you
know this, Jimson?
JS> RS> How about the removal of bans against recognising same-gender
JS> RS> marriages as legally binding unions in civil law? Or will gay
JS> RS> people of religion (and irreligion, who wish civil marriage) be
JS> RS> still denied their religious and/or civil freedoms?
JS> Nope. Please post a duly recognized definition of marriage.
So you believe in sexual freedom, but not relationship freedom,
for gay and lesbian people? How do you explain this
contradiction?
Rod "...isn't it 'their business'?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rotisserie: A ferris wheel for chickens!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Goodbye /1 02
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:51:12
EID:79d6 22379e60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e750b0
* On 29-12-96 at 02:45, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Goodbye /1" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> I must say you must live on a pink cloud to have let yourself been
delud
JS> JS> by these women. Their general purpose here has been clear to me
from the
JS> JS> beginning: they hate men in general, and Christian men in particular.
JS> RS> They're FEMINAZIS huh?
JS> AMEN! Preach on, my brother. (tic)
This is what I like about you Jim. You're so vacuous. If you
don't know what it means, look it up in the dictionary, Mr
Erudite :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, himbo" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death: to stop sinning suddenly.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Your Daily Brother Jim
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:52:14
EID:3d55 22379e80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e750ee
* On 29-12-96 at 02:45, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Your Daily Brother Jim" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RS> Isn't fire a defoliant? Use that :)
JS> RS> Are you willing to admit that Agent Orange was used for more
JS> RS> destructive purposes such as enemy anti-personnel attacks?
JS> RS> Then again, this is exactly the sort of stuff that makes me think
JS> RS> you're head isn't filled with brain cells. In fact...
JS> Whatever...my question is where do you dig up these ancient jposts?
But you didn't answer the question, Jim, about defoliants :)
And they were from packets I didn't have a chance to get to until
November/December :)
Rod "...saving is erstwhile :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Person+delusion=psychosis. People+delusion=religion.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Goodbye /1
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:54:16
EID:a831 22379ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75168
* On 29-12-96 at 02:46, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Goodbye /1" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS>...Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but it hurts when I insert
'em.
JS> RS> Didn't your mother tell you they were good for haemorrhoids?
JS> RS> Start shoving away... Trust me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
JS> Ahhh you are correct!
JS> ... I want to take the Crash Course In Brain Surgery...
You're a silly one, Jim :) :)
Your degree from Calvin College that you never achieved was a
major in English and proctology, right?
Rod "...'nuff said" Swift ;)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If it doesn't work, it's physics.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:58:18
EID:f601 22379f40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e7525a
* On 29-12-96 at 02:48, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> JS> JS> You were in Vietnam?
JS> JS> JS> DC> If he was, it was _Viet Nam_, "English Major".
JS> JS> KS> JS>So what has that to do with speaking/spelling Gook, eh?
JS> JS> KS> You really are an asshole.
JS> JS> JS> You really get to be at a loss for words, don't you?
JS> JS> rs> he's right, you racist asshole.
JS> JS> Racist? In what manner?
In the fact it is perjorative.
JS> RS> Can you please explain the context and meaning of the word "gook"
JS> RS> as you have used it above?
JS> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
Actually, it is not obvious. However, given this "admission" of
yours, do you still admit that it is a perjorative term against
an ethnics group's language, and hence the ethnic group?
Isn't saying "gook" in the context you claim the same as saying:
"Those people speak 'nigger'"? That is, still perjorative?
JS> RS> Did you use it as a perjorative against people of Asian ethnicity?
JS> Not by any means.
Did you realise it is implied, and that you really should
apologise and use proper English?
Hey, and aren't you an English language major? You should know
better.
JS> RS> If you did, you're a racist asshole :)
JS> RS> If you did NOT, please do tell us how you did mean to use it! :)
JS> See above...
We've still deduced whether it was describing a Vietnamese
person, or a Vietnamese person's language, it is perjorative!
Rod "...squirm if you must, Jim, but you really should apologise"
Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * "Bones! That, feels, wonderful, yes!" "It's head, Jim!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: wisdom
|Date: 23 Jan 97 19:59:20
EID:7cd0 22379f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75298
* On 29-12-96 at 03:08, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "wisdom" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RS> I'm the mortal enemy of alt.org.promisekeepers. The PromiseFilth
JS> RS> in that newsgroup don't like dissenting opinion -- to the point
JS> RS> of cancelling my posts...
JS> Poor baby. Maybe if your arguments dealt with fact instead of some Fred
JS> Rice preconcieved bull shit, it might be different.
Oh, I'm in league with Fred Rice now? For the record, I was
posting such wonderful things as news reports about the
Promisefilth, and their abusive and violent attendees :)
Rod "...*bwahahahah* I take that as a compliment, by the way!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Beam me up Scotty. There's no intelligent life here!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:01:22
EID:ed89 2237a020
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75312
* On 29-12-96 at 03:09, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (21 Dec 96) Rod Swift wrote to Karl Schneider...
JS> RS> On 16-08-96 at 07:58, KARL SCHNEIDER wrote to JIM STAAL:
JS> JS>Thank you. Basically, it consists of visiting a discusting place
(the
JS> JS>police station), getting a form, researching the court dockets of
1978
JS> KS> Ah. The police station is a disgusting place.
JS> KS> But you hang out in biker bars.
JS> KS> Figures.
JS> RS> You have a better chance of getting some rough 'n' ready sex from
JS> RS> the Blue Oyster bar than the local cop shop :) :)
JS> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to find rough n ready
JS> sex. get real, will ya?
Jim, you should try it once in a while. It's better than Wilbur,
the branding irons, and you being Mr Ed :)
Rod "...yeeeowch! Better make that the Hellfire Club!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Paranoia is *total* awareness!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:02:24
EID:4e20 2237a040
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e75350
* On 30-12-96 at 15:29, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> js> Racist? In what manner?
RS> Duh!
He is that dumb... :)
RS> RS> Can you please explain the context and meaning of the word "gook"
RS> RS> as you have used it above?
RS> js> No problem: Vietnamese language. That should be obvious.
RS> Has anyone pointed out to Jimson that the word `gook' is not
RS> part of the Vietnamese language?
Yes.
RS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
Perjorative to the maximum, Richard.
Rod "...he should apologise and recant" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I'm not dead. I am metabolically challenged.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 23 Jan 97 20:03:26
EID:9887 2237a060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e7538e
* On 25-12-96 at 00:03, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> DC> JS> S'matter, Danny-boy? Wake up on the wrong side of the cot?
LB> DC> No, dickhead. I'm tired your fucking whining.
LB> RS> He needs some nice gouda to go with his w(h)ine, Dan. :) :)
LB> RS> And I'm sure you're the type of man who is willing to take that
LB> RS> gouda and feed it to Jimmy....
LB> But...I thought atheist didn't DO any gouda things!
Praise Cheeses, Sister Lynda :)
Rod "... and pass the communion salsa and chips!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Psychoceramics - the study of crackpots!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:24:28
EID:3b03 22387b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e863ac
* On 30-12-96 at 22:51, JIM STAAL wrote to STEVE QUARRELLA,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> SQ> Staal is so cute when he's showing his machismo. I bet he wears
his
JS> SQ> wife's underwear.
JS> Tried a bit of that back in the late 70's. The cups were too big and
the
JS> underwire cut into my pecks. :) The little stretch girddle thingey
JS> (fashionable in the early 70') however, with a proper crotch cutout,
was
JS> kinda fun.
You know, you and Steingrobe would make an excellent au pair :)
After all, he's the one bemoaning that if there is anyone that
likes to "wear dresses" and the rest of feminine attire in the
#holysmoke chat channel, or here, it'd be me.
Rod "...I'm surprised he didn't pick, say, one of the females :)" Swift
:)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The real world is a special case.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: [2/2] oh wells
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:26:30
EID:0bff 22387b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86426
* On 29-12-96 at 16:25, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to CURTIS JOHNSON,
on the topic of "[2/2] oh wells" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> CJ> Meanwhile, he constitutionally *cannot* let the Curry
LB> CJ> e-mail thing die (has Al ever let a thread die a natural death?)
LB> Nope.
LB> CJ> and Rod Swift has just revived his Rice Brothers fiasco.
LB> hehe...which will only get him all righteously offended at Kat, Judith
and I
LB> again. Sprinkle sprinkle sprinkle..
I told you that I was working on my harpy nomination :)
Or maybe we need a new category for the fairer gender (namely
males :) called hellions :)
Rod "...I'd like to be one of the two :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: I KNEW it!
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:27:32
EID:4323 22387b60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86464
* On 30-12-96 at 15:26, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "I KNEW it!" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> };> Jimson Staalin wrote in a message to Rod Swift <:(
RS> js> ... Mom said carrots are good for my eyes, but
RS> js> it hurts when I insert 'em.
RS> RS> Didn't your mother tell you they were good
RS> RS> for haemorrhoids? Start shoving away... Trust
RS> RS> me, it doesn't hurt at all :) :)
RS> js> Ahhh you are correct!
RS> LOL . . . the truth is finally out, as is Jimson . . .
BINGO! :)
Rod "...now, to enter him into the pride parade with his
'carrots' :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Let's support Less Characters sent in Echoes Year 1997!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Tagline!
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:29:34
EID:6ce0 22387ba0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e864de
* On 30-12-96 at 15:36, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Tagline!" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> };> Jimson Staalin wrote in a message to Rod Swift <:(
RS> js> Yeah, like I go there with my wife (on vacation) to find
RS> js> rough n ready sex. get real, will ya?
RS> I swear, there's a tagline there someplace . . .
RS> ... I go there with my wife to find rough n ready sex. -J. Staalin
I wanna know where he goes when they are not on vacation, for
that rough n ready sex :)
Rod "...either way, it's definitely FAQ material :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Smegma Staalin
|Date: 25 Jan 97 18:00:36
EID:208a 22399000
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e9d9c4
* On 30-12-96 at 15:38, RICHARD SMITH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Smegma Staalin" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> RS> Have you heard the rumor that the Mormons, aided by the
RS> RS> Promise Keepers, are planning on organizing another million
RS> RS> man march on Washington?
RS> js> No. That _fact_ is, that Promise Keepers is organizing the
RS> js> first million man march on Washington.
RS> ^^^^^
RS> ROFLMGDAO . . . gads, I don't have the heart to tell the lil'
RS> feller . . . . . .
Well, in Jimson's world, black people probably don't exist :) Neither
do gay people probably. Both those groups have had marches of more
than 500,000 in Washington :)
RS> You know, you just can't buy entertainment like this.
That's why it should be in the FAQ :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass us the laughbarrel :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Carl Pollock
|Sub: Re: Pray Contest
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:32:38
EID:8cd5 22387c00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86596
* On 30-12-96 at 18:18, CARL POLLOCK wrote to RICHARD SMITH,
on the topic of "Re: Pray Contest" in echo Holysmoke:
CP> RS@> Which God would that be?
CP> The God which BILLIONS around the world love and trust.
Oh, Buddha? :) :) Gotta love all those Asian worshippers :)
CP> RS@> Don't worry . . . we'll use brand new shiny prayers.
CP> That's not funny
Yes it is. Burn an incense stick, boy-o!
CP> RS@> Why does your Deity want children to starve or burn to death?
CP> "And we know that ALL things work togeather for the good of
CP> those who love him,
CP> who have been called accrding to his purpose." Romans 8:28, NIV
So killing kids or starving them (either of the options offered
to you) is a *good work* for the Lord!?
My, that's nearly as good as a "BIG WIN!" for the scientologists! :)
CP> Sencerly,
CP> Carl Pollock
Rod "...if only you had some sence (sic)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: David Rice
|Sub: Gawd was wrong?
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:35:40
EID:2d89 22387c60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e8664c
* On 28-12-96 at 21:32, DAVID RICE wrote to ALAN HESS,
on the topic of "Gawd was wrong?" in echo Holysmoke:
DR> AH> Let me get this straight - God is supposed to
DR> AH> be perfect. This perfect god gives a set of
DR> AH> laws to man. 2,000 years ago, this perfect god
DR> AH> allegedly sent a man to tell his people, "I was
DR> AH> wrong - you don't have to obey my original
DR> AH> perfect laws any more. Here's a new set from
DR> AH> me that supercede the perfect laws I originally
DR> AH> gave you. My son is here to tell you the new
DR> AH> laws, as well as which of the old laws you should
DR> AH> still follow. His followers will clarify everything
DR> AH> in their books."
DR> In the Bible Jesus said he was not come to change the
DR> law (convenant with the chief Hebrew god Yahweh). But
DR> then, of course, he is said to do so---- the Bible
DR> has it both ways.
But that was God's plan.... So his hypocritical followers could
point to OT laws and condemn others. Then when they suffer from
the ol' "do not judge others, lest they judge you" crap, they
hide behind lies like "Jesus came to save us from the OT laws".
What a bunch of hypocritical nasties they are.
Rod "...you're right on the money, David. Don't ever let the
Jeezoids get away with it" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Brain over. Insert coin.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:42:42
EID:991d 22387d40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e867f2
* On 22-12-96 at 12:40, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> PEACE ON EARTH
... will be achieved when we eliminate all hostile, xenophobic,
conquering religions. Islam and Christianity should be the first
to go, along with the Scientologists!
GM> NO GOD, NO PEACE;
GM> KNOW GOD, KNOW PEACE.
And our motto will be:
NO GOD, KNOW PEACE
KNOW GOD, NO PEACE
Rod "...ours also has equal line lengths, so *nyah* :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * He's your God, they're your rules, YOU burn in hell!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:44:44
EID:991d 22387d80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e8686c
* On 23-12-96 at 11:33, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> WHILE THE WORLD SLEEPS
... there are probably hundreds of paedophilic clergy doing the
ol' horizontal tap-dance with some kids.
GM> THE BEST GIFT IN THE WORLD
GM> WAS WRAPPED IN A MANGER.
I thought the best gifts in the worlds came wrapped in condoms? :)
Rod "...I dunno. Maybe you should ask those sicko priests if
they are using protection..." Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:45:46
EID:991d 22387da0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e868aa
* On 24-12-96 at 11:39, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> EARTH WALK
... actually, it orbits, but what else could you expect from
someone who believes in a book which states pi = 3.0 and the
world is flat with four corners, and the sun goes around the
Earth... *guffaw*
GM> GOD MADE HIS HOME WITH US
GM> THAT WE MIGHT MAKE OUR HOME WITH GOD.
Isn't that nice... What if I don't want to live with this
sycophantic, didactic moron?
Rod "...huh, what then?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:46:48
EID:991d 22387dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e868e8
* On 25-12-96 at 11:29, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> BETTER THAN HAPPINESS
GM> HAPPINESS DEPENDS ON HAPPENINGS;
GM> JOY DEPENDS ON JESUS.
I thought joy would depend on joy.
It is truly sad that religious types can't feel joyous in their
lives without an external imaginary being.
Rod "...sad... truly sad." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:48:50
EID:991d 22387e00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e86962
* On 26-12-96 at 11:23, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> "I FORGOT"
... a common excuse when religiods are asked to provide evidence
for what they say.
Other excuses include "the dog ate my evidence", "I left my
evidence at home, miss", and "the cat used my evidence as toilet
training paper".
GM> DAILY BLESSINGS ARE DAILY REMINDERS OF GOD.
I have a daily blessing, just after I wake up in the morning. It
reminds me of God too as I flush.
Rod "...*splooosh* *glug glug* another high-quality
crap-for-Jesus :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Jan 97 15:49:52
EID:991d 22387e20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32e869a0
* On 27-12-96 at 11:41, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> SIN'S DEADLY WAGES
Sin should get a new job at a workplace that doesn't endanger
his/her health.
GM> TO GET TO HEAVEN,
GM> IT'S WHO YOU KNOW THAT COUNTS!
Pat Robertson? Ralph Reed? Jerry Falwell? Lou Sheldon? James
Kennedy? They all sell "Get into heaven free cards" as part of
your *lovegift* to their ministries :)
Rod "... I know those morons. Do I get into heaven free now?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: The patriotic art of lying for one's country.
--- Maximus 2.02
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