God Damned Fundies!
|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Look what I found!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 00:30:20
EID:3fc2 223d03c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ee299c
* On 04-01-97 at 08:26, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Look what I found! " in echo Holysmoke:
AS> RS> That's http://www.theonion.com/
AS> RS> Where you can find the best in satire every week. Like why the
AS> RS> Fearful Parents Association want to make the world kiddie-safe.
AS> RS> Or read about the Amish -- "Fuck this dark-ages shit", says one
of
AS> RS> their leaders!
AS> RS> It's all at The Onion :) http://www.theonion.com/
AS> I especially liked the one which had "AMISH GIVE IT ALL UP! buy computers,
AS> convertibles, etc." And one Amish Elder going, "I wish someone had
told us
AS> how stupid we look in these black suits and strange beards without
AS> mustaches a long time ago..." I've laughed at the Onion often.
AS> Do you, by any chance, contribute?
I don't admit to it, no.
Rod "...I'm being evasive" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: The patriotic art of lying for one's country
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Masturbation
|Date: 29 Jan 97 00:31:22
EID:1ca9 223d03e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ee29da
* On 04-01-97 at 08:28, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Masturbation" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> The only thing wrong with masturbation is loneliness. And the
Bible
AS> AS> doesn't say a thing about it.
AS> RS> You've never tried it in a group? :) I thought that's what the
AS> RS> death cult was all about! :)
AS> No, that's the Republican Party. Some of my right wing Christian
AS> "brethren" tried a takeover of that, but they didn't quite succeed....
You have not read the platform of the Republican Party, say, in
Texas?
Rod "...it's nice to know they support genocide of a certain
minority" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: the other shoe
|Date: 29 Jan 97 00:37:24
EID:188d 223d04a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ee2b44
* On 04-01-97 at 08:54, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "the other shoe" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> Ron.
AS> Do you ONLY have access to things from four to five months ago??
It's not my fault if your news feed is faulty :) *smirk*
AS> Mike no longer backs that position, but is questioning it. So why dredge
AS> up things and castigate HIM for a position he no longer holds??
At the time, he did hold them :) I had not got to a point of
reading the echo where he did not hold those views.
Find another strawman, Al, this one won't work.
AS> It's a legitimate question to ME, but you weren't asking me, you
were
AS> blaming MIKE...
Well, why don't you answer the question of the apparent lack of
you God?
AS> Why bring up things from months ago, unless you're only out to
AS> stir...up...trouble...
No. I have been absent from the echo for about 3 months from
August to November due to personal reasons. I'd like to share them,
but I don't trust you...
...you'd probably want to breach my privacy and tell my family.
AS> Oh. Just answered my own question, didn't I?
You should ask less rhetorical questions, saves you from getting
answers that are rhetoric and bear no semblance to the truth.
Oh, that's right, you're Christian. You peddle in self-delusion,
right? :) :)
AS> Hmmmm. If you DID believe in a God, I bet it would be Loki...shall
we
AS> dub you the "Merry Prankster" of the echo?
For one who professes to hold a moral highground that causes you
to be condemnatory of someone naturally progressing through older
packets in chronological order and making posts therefrom that
may be in reply to *positions that no longer apply* of certain
people -- you sure are quick to make judgements of the positions
of others that have *never* applied to people :)
Rod "...or did your clear mischaracterisation not fall in the
pot-kettle-black department? Which fallacial argument *does* it
fall into Al?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * That was Zen... This is Tao!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: AIDS
|Date: 29 Jan 97 00:38:26
EID:701b 223d04c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ee2b82
* On 05-01-97 at 14:06, MARTIN GOLDBERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Re: AIDS" in echo Holysmoke:
MG> MM>>That's what I am going to do. We're looking to do it in
MG> MM>>October in Austin, Texas.
MG> RS> I cannot believe that Michael Martinez is willing to follow his
MG> RS> iconic hero Peter Duesberg who also has claimed to have injected
MG> RS> himself with HIV+ blood.
MG> He will not do it. His pal hasn't and he won't.
:( What a shame. Good riddance to two pieces of human garbage
if they ever actually (and verifiably) did :)
MG> RS> Will Martinez come back here and say he was wrong when he
MG> RS> develops symptoms?
MG> No. This was declared off topic by the moderator and then
MG> he was banned when he failed to comply.
What a shame. Makes me wish I was a fly on the wall. Hey, maybe
the next time I'm in Austin, I can visit Terry :) :)
Rod "...hmmm..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Satan
|Sub:
|Date: 29 Jan 97 10:14:28
EID:a8cb 223d51c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeb284
* On 04-01-97 at 12:00, SATAN wrote to ARTHUR BARNES,
on the topic of "" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> AB> You know, Christians really get to me sometimes. This
SA> AB> morning, some preacher guy was on and he decided that
SA> AB> Christians needed to relook at what holiness means. He was
SA> AB> way off... I forgot where the word came from, but it
SA> AB> originally meant (well Holy did anyway) "other". It had
SA> AB> nothing to do with morals and how good someone was. I laughed
SA> AB> the whole time he talked!
SA> Christians are one of our greatest sources of comedy ;-)
Yes. Like how the anti-contraceptive Pope-baby likes wearing the
equivalent of an ecumenical diaphragm on his head -- to stop
thoughts getting in and fertilising ideas in his brain :) :)
Rod "...yarmukle it ain't!" Swift :)
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ric Carter
|Sub: Islam Unbound & Uncovere
|Date: 29 Jan 97 10:24:30
EID:d20d 223d5300
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeb4de
* On 06-01-97 at 02:33, RIC CARTER wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Islam Unbound & Uncovered" in echo Holysmoke:
RC> From: elazar
Ric, I cannot believe that you are posting material from famous
Jewish holocaust revisionist Kevin E Abrams (author of "The Pink
Swastika")...
Rod "...he's an intellectually-bankrupt individual nearly akin to
Martinez or Liberty-Parker" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * God is a Vorlon
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Kelsey Bjarnason
|Sub: "Atheists who do no good
|Date: 29 Jan 97 10:30:32
EID:60bf 223d53c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeb648
* On 02-01-97 at 02:45, KELSEY BJARNASON wrote to LEE WOOFENDEN,
on the topic of ""Atheists who do no good"" in echo Holysmoke:
KB> Perhaps because, in the case of Christianity... the adherents seem
to
KB> ignore the best parts and concentrate on who they can hurt and
KB> discriminate against, and other such loving pursuits?
KB> Disagree? Okay, fine. Show me a Christian who has absolutely no
KB> qualms with gays, abortions, assisted suicides, sex outside of
KB> marriage, and the host of other "sins" they're so often telling
KB> us of.
The Ewe-ewes, but they are considered "false Christer scum" by
most Christians :)
Rod "... Unitarian Universalists are so touchy-feely :)" Swift :)
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|Date: 29 Jan 97 10:46:34
EID:f259 223d55c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeba0a
* On 05-01-97 at 15:10, STEVE QUARRELLA wrote to SUE ARMSTRONG,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shall Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
SQ> Veneris dies January 03 1997, Dixit Sue Armstrong ad Fredric Rice:
SQ> SA> Now, normally Immigration doesn't have much to do with incoming
SQ> SA> American holiday-goers, but if a Customs officer is stumped after
SQ> SA> questioning, visitors will be directed over to the Immigration
SQ> SA> building.
SQ> My mother got the third-degree this December from a grouchy
customs
SQ> official who couldn't understand why she was driving all
SQ> the way from the Detroit suburbs to get me a CD that could
SQ> "easily be obtained" (which is untrue) in the US.
The Detroit-area border checkpoints are notoriously bad for
grilling all border crossers -- INCLUDING US citizens into the US
:)
Rod "...go fig, eh?" Swift :)
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 29 Jan 97 10:55:36
EID:bd82 223d56e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eebc28
* On 05-01-97 at 10:03, J.J. HITT wrote to KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT,
on the topic of "MY SUMMER WEEKEND" in echo Holysmoke:
JH> On Dec 26 18:06 96, Katherine Wintersnight of 1:381/123@fidonet.org
wrote:
JH> KW> Many pagans have chosen to comply with the local laws
JH> KW> in so far as a civil marriage to get the legal status,
JH> KW> then taken care of the religious end in at another
JH> KW> ritual if they don't have access to someone who is able
JH> KW> to sign the legal paperwork at a handfasting.
JH> I've signed a marriage licence as the "official" before.
JH> But it was at a mexican restaurant.
Let me guess.... A Pancho's Mexican Buffet? :) Taco Bell?
JH> The qualifications (as printed on the back of the licence) are
JH> broad enough that ULC membership qualifies.
Universal Life Church is fun, isn't it?
Rod "...praise the ULC, and pass the popehood" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't just stand there!!! Kneel!!!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 29 Jan 97 11:37:38
EID:0844 223d5ca0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eec602
* On 06-01-97 at 21:15, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> Since I'm kind of new to this debate, let me introduce myself...
JF> I'm a proud (relatively speaking) Lutheran who goes to
JF> church every Sunday (not always voluntarily, but still).
JF> Anyhow, the brunt of my message...
JF> Something that disturbs me are the people who stand outside the courtroom
JF> at OJ's civil trial or abortion clinics. These people
JF> claim to be tolerant, loving Christians, but cry
JF> "murderer!" and would gladly kill the target of their
JF> wrath. Can't these people see what they're doing? Can't
JF> anyone?
What are the *real* Christians doing to stop the wave of hatred
that is spreading across the US by such wonderful oracles
speaking in the "name of Jesus" like Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed,
Gary Bauer, Lou Sheldon, Jerry Falwell, etc.
What are good Christians doing about the abuse of human rights by
religious fringegroups. Will the "good Christians" one day
realise that after all the religious right-wing targets have been
eliminated -- but their "family values" not restored -- they will
only have one target left... other Christians?
Rod "...speak out before it's too late Jonathan" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: John Musselwhite
|Sub: Science or evolution?
|Date: 29 Jan 97 11:58:40
EID:01d6 223d5f40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eecaf0
* On 04-01-97 at 11:14, JOHN MUSSELWHITE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Science or evolution?" in echo Holysmoke:
JM> My Beer Bible reviews Canadian Foster's (brewed in Toronto)
JM> like this:
JM> "Foster's Lager: Expectedly fresh and crisp on contact; full
JM> palate and smoothness around the sides of the mouth; generally
JM> even-tempered and predictable throughout; head is very white
JM> with clearly distinguishable bubbles; nicely patterned Brussels
JM> lace adds to the soft feel; is quite pleasing, flavorful lager
JM> with backbone; Australian version is essentially identical,
JM> except for definitely lighter carbonation. (rated 3.4 out of
JM> 5)" (from The Beer Lover's Rating Guide - Bob Klein)
Ah, what would this buffoon know :)
JM> RS> well-behaved boys, I may send each of you a bottle of Redback
JM> RS> when I get back to the US next.
JM> Continuing from the same guide:
JM> "Red Back Malted Wheat Beer (Fremantle, Western Australia):
JM> Baked-bread aroma on first sniff - enough yeast to make it
JM> almost taste warm and just out of the oven - but the enjoyment
JM> stops there; tangy citrus accent; highly malty so there's
JM> little hop bitterness to deal with the yeast; flavour and
JM> ambience are too unfocused; soft texture, almost mushy. (rated
JM> 2.2)"
Yep, this Klein is obviously an amateur :) :) *wink*
You really should try Red Back though :)
Rod "...I am pulling your chain, you realise :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: Name alternatives to eternal nothingness
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: I'm BAAAAAAACK!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:09:42
EID:ad94 223d6120
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eecd86
* On 08-01-97 at 18:27, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to PAUL BOYER,
on the topic of "I'm BAAAAAAACK! " in echo Holysmoke:
PH> PB> Hiya, Styx.
PH> PB> (Hi, everyone!)
PH> PB> Just thought I'd let you know that I'm back after a nearly-three-year
PH> PB> hiatus.
PH> PB>
PH> Damn. I log in here for the first time in three weeks and this happens.
PH> (At least it's you showing back up, though -- it could have been a lot
PH> worse. It could have been RevRon. :-)
Yes, couldn't it :)
PH> --PLH, wondering if Joanna Amren was that young lady behind us screaming
PH> "HOUSTON SUCKS!" while the Aeros were stomping the SA Dragons at Freeman
PH> Coliseum on December 14...
No. I was possessing her :) :) :) :) :) You know about me and
Aeros games :) :) :) :) :) :)
Rod "...this message has been smiley-captioned for the humour
impaired" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Reading Incomprehension
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:33:44
EID:0dfd 223d6420
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed328
* On 07-01-97 at 12:52, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to KELSEY BJARNASON,
on the topic of "Reading Incomprehension" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Kelsey Bjarnason spoke thusly to Nate Cookson <=-
JB> KB> Why? Just because something is old doesn't mean it is worthy
JB> KB> of respect.
JB> Strom Thurmond being a wonderful example.
Robert C Byrd and Jesse Helms being other examples :)
Ronald Reagan too, I suppose.
Rod "...in fact, they are suffering from advanced stupidity --
all of them" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sa
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:36:46
EID:1579 223d6480
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed3de
* On 07-01-97 at 20:43, MARTIN GOLDBERG wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Why do you NEED to be sav" in echo Holysmoke:
MG> GtP> It also tells us to kill unmarried pregnant women. Oh, wait they
MG> GtP> try to do that at the clinics, don't they.
MG> The married ones too....whether they are there for an abortion or not.
MG> I just wish Johnny Salvi had strung himself up before
MG> giving the clinics that Post Office Treatment.
Amen!
Rod "...can't say any more but that he was an abortion poster
child" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Borg Express -- don't be assimilated without it!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Kenneth Mcabee
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:44:48
EID:e17d 223d6580
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed5c0
* On 08-01-97 at 13:59, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Kenneth Mcabee" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> KM> NO, sorry, bzzzztt! I will not be judged and sent to heaven.
FR> rs> So you ARE going to hell?
FR> He will be going to prison:
FR> And again David if God asked me to kill my son, I would see
FR> it as a sacrifice. Whether that is what is meant by you in
FR> the question or not. I would see it as such. - Kenneth Mcabee
Praise Stargoat for that enlightening quotative blast-from-the-past,
Brother Fredric :)
Maybe he'll meet a nice guy there and play wife to him :)
Rod "...what an attractive notion :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I wanted to be born again but my mother said: "No!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Holysmoke.
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:46:50
EID:2618 223d65c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed63a
* On 08-01-97 at 14:05, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Holysmoke." in echo Holysmoke:
[...about Luiz Constantino]
FR> LC> Ok people, you can stop replying to my mail. I'm going
back
FR> LC> to university. If you still have any beef you can e-mail me at
FR> LC> lconstan@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca.
FR> "Bravely ran away away..."
Didn't he just :)
FR> LC> Nice chatting with you all, nice discovering this little
FR> LC> secluded escape from reality.
FR> "Help help! The light's too bright in here!"
That's what happens to Christians who come here with their chest
bravely raised in pride. It attracts swords :)
FR> rs> Can I *please* turn this guy into
FR> rs> a hand-puppet next summer? Pleaaase???
FR> He's already got a wind-up key sticking out of his back.
You should ponder where I was going to stick my hand before you
advocate the wind-up key approach...
Rod "...I want to give the kids of Christians a fist-f*ck-me-Elmo
doll, just for fun" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Commit the oldest sins the newest kind of ways
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:46:52
EID:bef4 223d65c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed63c
* On 08-01-97 at 14:09, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> DW>> You frequented a whorehouse, Jimbob?
FR> JS> No.
FR> DW> A crackhouse?
FR> rs> A bath-house? :P
FR> Most likely the drunk tank.
Or the psych ward :)
Rod "...he's really quite a loon, Fredric" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:48:54
EID:ed89 223d6600
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed6b6
* On 03-01-97 at 14:48, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Thank you. Basically, it consists of visiting a discusting place
JS> JS> (the police station), getting a form, researching the court dockets
JS> JS> of 1978
JS> KS> Ah. The police station is a disgusting place.
JS> KS> But you hang out in biker bars.
JS> KS> Figures.
JS> JS> Well, the biker bar has nice, helpful people in it, who, if you
needed
JS> JS> them, would protect and serve.
JS> RS> Do they send you flowers on the anniversary?
JS> The police? The bikers? Who?
The bikers of course, Jim? Aren't you one of their little
bitchling wives? :)
JS> And the anniversary of what? My visit to the bar?
Exactly. Your first "roll in the hay" dear boy! :)
JS> ... Put on the whole armour of God... - Ephesians 6:11
Too bad there are major links missing in the chain mail --
you'd have more protection wearing a coke-bottle cap :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass the, uh, evidence :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death: to stop sinning suddenly
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 29 Jan 97 12:51:56
EID:33f6 223d6660
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eed76c
* On 03-01-97 at 14:48, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> But slandering an entire group of human beings just because of their
JS> JS> ideology or beliefs is OK, isn't it Ceppa...
JS> RS> You make the assumption that Christians are deserving of being
JS> RS> recognised as human.
JS> RS> How silly of you, Jim.
JS> I see. If not, then what?
I believe that the quotation is from one of the US's greatest
men:
Those who deny the rights of others deserve them not for
themselves.
I'm sure you can correct the quotation. I don't have a relevant
quotation guide to check the exact wording of, Jefferson's (I
believe) quote.
JS> Why are you so bigoted against one segment of society, Rod?
No, not a segment of society. Only certain Christians. The ones
who would deprive me of life, liberty, property, freedom, or rights.
Those people deserve a similar and equally damning opposition to
their agenda of hatred.
You are a person that holds such an agenda of hatred, Jim.
...you really should give up your Jesus-inspired hatred
Rod "...I also note my best friend is Christian" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then GET ONE and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MINE!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: the promise keepers
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:02:58
EID:7339 223d6840
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeda02
* On 03-01-97 at 14:50, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "the promise keepers" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (29 Dec 96) Rod Swift wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> JS> I don't see that at all. Having attended two promise keeper programs,
it
JS> JS> is obvious to me the motive is to build up the family and the nation.
JS> RS> Ah, bull crap, Jim. It's in it for the money. Tens of thousands
JS> RS> of people paying at least $50 is MILLIONS of dollars of income.
JS> RS> And the cost of the events are really small in comparison to the
JS> RS> income generated.
JS> Evidence of this alleged 'profit'?
The dozens of critical reports into the financing of such scams
as the Promisekeepers. Stadiums don't cost millions of dollars
to hire for a day. Probably, conservatively, maybe $50,000.
Care to give your local stadium a call and ask how much they
charged the Promisefilth last time they were there?
Yet they rake in 75,000 participants, at $50 each -- about $3.75
million. Plus, of course, the overpriced and heavily marketed
Promisefilth merchandise.
So, let's say that a stadium was $750,000 to hire for a day
(that's about 15 times my conservative estimate), I'd like to
know where the other $3million goes to.
They hold about 12 of these events a year, and are trying to hold
more. They are raking in upwards of $40-50 million a year before
paying for the miniscule costs of stadium charges.
JS> JS> rs> how can you ignore [and take part in] such a scam?
JS> JS> I do not see the enrichment of the human soul to be a scam.
JS> RS> We were discussing the part about ripping people off blindly for
JS> RS> such "enrichment", Jim. What's your take on that?
JS> Where does the 'ripping people off blindly' part come in? People who
go
JS> into and 'enrichment seminar', knowing in advance who is going to be
JS> the speakers, musical ministers and entertainment, and the cost are
not
JS> getting ripped off, blindly or sightedly. What's your beef?
The fact that enrichment seminars may include a catered meal, and
expensive speakers. Oh, and the fact they are organised by
companies that obviously have a for-profit nature.
I thought the Promisefilth were a non-profit Christian group?
My point, however, still stands. If these people are concerned
about the salvation of men, they'd be doing it at break-even
costs, not at hugely profitable costs.
JS> RS> If these people were doing it out of the goodness of their heart,
JS> RS> they'd not be making tens of millions of dollars of profit a year
JS> Evidence of this alleged 'profit'?
Has been provided. Can you please provide the justification for
such profit-taking in an organisation which claims its focus is
to save people?
JS> RS> -- but would be offering ministry on a cost-recovery-basis only...
JS> Plus administration: (1 Cor 9:14 NIV) In the same way, the Lord has
JS> commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living
JS> from the gospel.
Given the highly inflated estimate I gave of $750,000 being used
out of the generated $3.75 million per event (based on 75,000
people at $50 ticket), their expenses would be about 22%.
Why would an organisation need 78% for administration?
And they should receive their *living* from the gospel. I'm sure
that's a basic provision (food, water, shelter, basic ministry
administration and employees), not lavish homes, holidays,
travel, women, and cars :)
JS> RS> ... or even for free!
JS> Mine was free. A kind brother covered the cost as well as lodging.
But someone paid. If the Promisekeepers are so *honest*, they'd
be fair, and just, and make the cost of attending such
conferences be based SOLELY upon cost-recovery for the operation
of the conference.
Not with the 78% profit-taking by the religious scammers running
the show.
JS> RS> Rod "and besides, the promisefilth are hateful bigots anyway!"
Swift
JS> RS> :)
JS> I don't know about this 'promise filth', but Rod Swift sure is, as
JS> evidence by his previous post.
Do you know how much money from the Promisekeepers was rerouted
into supporting the push for Colorado Amendment 2?
Rod "...maybe you should search for an answer, and see how evil
the people you so dearly love really are..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then GET ONE and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MINE!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Crash goes your bullshit
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:11:00
EID:10f1 223d6960
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedbe4
* On 03-01-97 at 14:59, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Crash goes your bullshit" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> RC> The order to kill and destroy innocent lives at Waco came from David
JS> RC> Koresh. The head-shots, the fires, were perpetrated by his followers
JS> RC> upon their fellows [and children]. You are disconnected from reality.
JS> RS> Thank you, o thank you, for pointing this out to Jim.
JS> Ric has absolutely no evidence to confirm his claim, whereas Janet Reno
JS> has already admitted that the buck stopped at her desk concerning the
JS> order that resulted in the deaths of the victims at Waco.
I never knew Janet Reno could give orders to David Koresh to kill
his "minions". You're a deluded fool, Jimbozo.
JS> RS> He'll now claim that Janet Reno made and supplied the bullets and
JS> RS> guns to his followers, and she really went in after him when he
JS> RS> refused to pay up for the guns -- or something as equally lunatic.
JS> No.
Why not Jimbozo? Your conspiracy theory will sound so much
*more* believable if you do! *guffaw*
Rod "...I wish you were at Mt Carmel, Jim, and had your head
blown away by your bretheren. I mean that sincerely." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Mud thrown is ground lost
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:12:02
EID:f601 223d6980
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedc22
* On 03-01-97 at 15:01, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> KS> Leather and Lace, eh? I would bet my eye teeth that's a gay biker
JS> KS> bar.
JS> RS> It's probably the Blue Oyster. "Proctooooooooooor!" :)
JS> No, actually, the bar in Ludington was Arthur's and Leather and Lace
is
JS> anything but a gay biker bar. It is a rough and ready biker bar that
JS> caters to the country music crowd (biker-wise).
And probably that rough-n-ready sex you like, being a biker's
little bitch :)
JS> KS> Might be fun.
JS> RS> Very!
JS> Well, pop your gay little *ss in there, announce your preference and
see
JS> what happens. :)
I'll be able to have you as my own little "bitch" to lerv?
Rod "...bend over, Staaalin" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The foolish and dead alone never change their opinion
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:16:04
EID:991d 223d6a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedd14
* On 04-01-97 at 12:30, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GM> IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE?
GM> RS>Yep, there's a word for that. Immutability.
GM> You seem to have not noticed the question mark. But that's how you
GM> folks twist things isn't it?
You can't spell "rhetorical question"?
GM> GM> Liars have wept in my presence, saying they can't stop lying.
GM> GM> Alcohol abusers say they aren't to blame for their addiction.
A
GM> GM> spokesman says that telling a homosexual to repent is "like
GM> GM> telling a person to change the color of his skin."
GM> RS>That's right. You can't change something that's immutable and
GM> RS>innate.
GM> But, it's not immutable - again remember the question mark?
How does a question mark bolster your mere *statement* that
sexuality is *not innate*? But since you seek the truth:
From: "Psychology and You: Answers to Your Questions About
Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"
By: The American Psychological Association
Q: Is sexual orientation a choice?
A: No. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early
adolescence without any prior sexual experience. And some
people report trying very hard over many years to change
their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with
no success. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider
sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be
voluntarily changed.
Q: Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional problem?
A: No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health
professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness,
mental disorder or emotional problem. Much objective
scientific research over the past 35 years shows us that
homosexual orientation, in and of itself, is not associated
with emotional or social problems.
Homosexuality was thought to be a mental illness in the past
because mental health professionals and society had biased
information about homosexuality since most studies only
involved lesbians and gay men in therapy. When researchers
examined data about gay people who were not in therapy, the
idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was found to be
untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the
importance of the new research by removing the term
"homosexuality" from the official manual that lists all
mental and emotional disorders. In 1975 the American
Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting
this action. Both associations urge all mental health
professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness
that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.
Since the original declassification of homosexuality as a
mental disorder, this decision has subsequently been
reaffirmed by additional research findings and both
associations.
Q: Can therapy change sexual orientation?
A: No. Even though homosexual orientation is not a mental
illness and there is no scientific reason to attempt
conversion of lesbians or gays to heterosexual orientation,
some individuals may seek to change their own sexual
orientation or that of another individual (for example,
parents seeking therapy for their child). Some therapists
who undertake this kind of therapy report that they have
changed their clients' sexual orientation (from homosexual to
heterosexual) in treatment. Close scrutiny of their reports
indicates several factors that cast doubt: many of the claims
come from organisations with an ideological perspective on
sexual orientation, rather than from mental health
researchers; the treatments and their outcomes are poorly
documented; and the length of time that clients are followed
up after the treatment is too short.
In 1990 the American Psychological Association stated that
scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy
works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's
sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's
sexual behaviour. It would require altering one's emotional,
romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's
self-concept and social identity. Although some mental health
providers do attempt sexual orientation conversion, others
question the ethics of trying to alter through therapy a trait
that is not a disorder and that is extremely important to an
individual's identity.
Not all gays and lesbians who seek therapy want to change
their sexual orientation. Gays and lesbians may seek
counselling for any of the same reasons as anyone else. In
addition, they may seek psychological help to "come out" or
to deal with prejudice, discrimination and violence.
GM> GM> TO BREAK SIN'S GRIP,
GM> GM> PUT YOURSELF IN GOD'S HANDS.
GM> RS>Why not read facts, and realise that sin is stupid?
GM> That's my question to you- why not read the facts and see that sin is
GM> stupid? I'm sure you don't want to act stupid on purpose.
I don't have sin, George.
Why don't you stop and realise that the concept of sin is stupid?
Rod "...so much for you claiming that I bastardised your
question... you then bastardised mine :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Why fantasize when there are hamsters and duct tape?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:22:06
EID:991d 223d6ac0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eede7e
* On 04-01-97 at 12:33, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GM> THE ONLY WAY TO BE RIGHT
GM> GM> IS TO AGREE WITH GOD WHEN HE SAYS WE'RE WRONG.
GM> RS>Isn't that mental enslavery, Moothy?
GM> We are all in mental salavery.
No we are not. But it's nice to know that you now admit that
being a Jeezoid is mental slavery. Further, that slavery
eliminates free-will.
GM> You just have to choose who you want to be the slave of.
You want to be my slave? Oh, how thoughtful :)
GM> You choose Satan
Evidence of this choice? Is your explanation going to be as
evidentiary of your claim that sexuality is a choice?
Is your evidence: "Because George Mooth say so..."?
GM> ... and all the sick immoral posts you put in here.
Sick and immoral? I never knew my standard was slipping from
mind-altering blasphemy... :)
Then again, I know they are affecting you. You responded. It
proves that I am indeed removing your shackles of slavery.
GM> Satan uses you every day in this conference.
Yeah, right, whatever Mr "Satan uses you, Rod, because your posts
threaten my feeble religion" Mooth.
GM> Talk about mental slavery - He's got you!
No no no. I've got you! :) :)
I've got you right where I want you. You actually believe that
Satan is controlling me. This proves the heightened stupidity of
Christianity.
We'll get you, George, and make you understand the truth...
Rod "...because I've got control of everything I do. Doesn't it
scare you that mere mortals can affect your religion -- not just
your mythical construct Satan?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a saviour out of this virgin!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:24:08
EID:991d 223d6b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedef8
* On 04-01-97 at 12:34, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GM> AS THE TWIG IS BENT, SO GROWS THE TREE.
GM> RS>I'm bent, and my "tree" grows when I see your cute ass, Mooth! :)
:)
GM> There you go again - being a mental slave to Satan. When will you
GM> choose to be free and not a slave?
You've failed to prove the first part of your statement -- that
is, my mental pact with the Christian nemesis. When will you
choose to provide concrete evidence thereof, rather than hide
behind your whining that "Satan controls Rod".
You're just scared that I am free, and still destructive of your
religion.
Admit it, George, your memes for being buttfucked are being
aroused again, which is why you dream for Satan to plug you good!
Rod "... I love you, George" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Yahweh (n): not *my* way
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Ejaculation
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:26:10
EID:6370 223d6b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedf72
* On 04-01-97 at 12:35, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Ejaculation" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GM> WE ARE SAVED NOT BY WHAT WE DO
GM> GM> BUT BY WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE.
GM> RS>So you're saying Jerkers For Jesus should disband?
GM> You seem to have a fixation on masterbation.
No. I'm fixated on your butt. It's all those pheromones you're
giving off because you're really gay, and just suppressing
yourself :)
And why not make up stories about you, eh? You make up stories
about me and your good widdle imaginary superenemy Satan :)
GM> But then I don't suppose many women want to get to close to you, eh?
There you go again with that Christian idea that multiple sex
partners of the female kind is a good thing...
You hetero Christians are sick. Try monogamy, loser :)
Rod "...I'm happily married to my husbear, who says that he'd
like to see you on a stick like your saviour, Mooth" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:27:12
EID:c4b5 223d6b60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedfb0
* On 10-01-97 at 17:21, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shall Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> He does have his plan. God is a god of order.
JS> RS> Would he like super-sized fries with that order?
JS> (Jim Staal at the take-out order thingey) 'Did I _say_ I wanted fries
JS> with that!?'
I just love it when you show your feminine machismo, Jim :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass the lesbian terrorist's handbook" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The foolish and dead alone never change their opinion
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Claim Him, He'S Yours
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:28:14
EID:564e 223d6b80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eedfee
* On 10-01-97 at 17:22, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Claim Him, He'S Yours" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> ML> Aye, laddie. But now's a great time; what with a free
market
JS> JS> ML> economy, booming reconstruction of infrastructure and
yet
JS> JS> ML> another place on earth that knows what a xenophobic Xtian
boob
JS> JS> ML> exists as one MISTER Staal.
JS> JS> Nah...just another commie hell-hole.
JS> RS> COMMIE HELL-HOLE (n): Anywhere not like Jim Staal's warped view
JS> RS> of his own neighbourhood.
JS> Tsk.
You didn't answer the allegation, so we will assume that it is
true until you say otherwise.
Rod "...do you deny that everywhere else is a commie-hell-hole if
it's not like your own home town, Jimby?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: word replace
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:29:16
EID:60dd 223d6ba0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee02c
* On 10-01-97 at 17:22, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "word replace" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> SM> Kindly please show us a reliable way for non-
JS> JS> SM> believers to contact this
JS> JS> SM> "Holy Spirit".
JS> JS> There is no way for non-believers to 'contact' God in any way:
JS> RS> Who'd've thought God used Southwestern Bell! :)
JS> Bzzzt! Inappropriate answer. The correct answer is:
JS> (Heb 11:6 NIV) And without faith it is impossible to please God,
JS> because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that
he
JS> rewards those who earnestly seek him.
How convenient. A God that hides from a potential audience of
billions, because he just "wants to". How ironic that God is
only seen in the delusionally-warped minds of village idiots like
you, Jim :)
Rod "...only the deluded see Jesus (HEB 11:6)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Velcronomicon: A magick book that sticks with you
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Receiv
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:31:18
EID:bd99 223d6be0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee0a6
* On 10-01-97 at 17:26, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shan'T Receiv" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> DR> Did you take "Arrogant insufferal fool" pills this morning?
JS> JS> No prob: there is no life on other planets. If there were, the Bible
JS> JS> would have mentioned it.
JS> RS> Computers don't exist. If they did, the bible would have
JS> RS> mentioned them.
JS> Non applicable. We are talking about apples and oranges here. Computers
JS> are a man-made item. Life on other planets would have been an item made
JS> by the Creator.
Nebulae do not exist. If they did, they would have been
mentioned in the bible.
Then again, the Earth is not round. If it was, it'd have been
mentioned in the bible (instead of being mentioned as flat, with
four corners, and winds that come from those corners)
If the universe, galaxies, stars, and cosmological features
existed, they'd be in the bible, rather than "holes in
firmament".
Rod "...you're a moron, Jim" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bigots: those who confuse personal tastes with morality
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Legislating Morality
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:33:20
EID:9f41 223d6c20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee120
* On 10-01-97 at 20:36, DAVE HAMILTON wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Legislating Morality" in echo Holysmoke:
DH> RS> On 10-10-96 at 22:11, DAVE HAMILTON wrote to KEN WIENS:
DH> ^^^^^^^^
DH> Geez - I know there's a time difference, but 3 months?
Yep. I took leave from *replying* to posts for a few months, but
I didn't want to miss any of the buttslammin' action with
Jimbozo, so I kept downloading packets ;)
DH> DH>> Do you ever go outside your house other than to go to church?
DH> RS> He probably goes outside from time to time to get the mail...
DH> RS> possibly.
DH> Or he answers the door when the little ICR truck brings
DH> him his food and books. I miss Ken, he was a lot of fun.
He was. And you know, if we mention his name often enough, and
deride him, he'll probably come back.
You see, he's probably still reading... :) :)
Rod "...they can't resist the 'Smoke, once they've been flamed
once for their precious deity construct" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Domino
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:41:24
EID:0c41 223d6d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee304
* On 09-01-97 at 17:43, DOMINO wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "Black lipstick" in echo Holysmoke:
DO> I wear my black outfit once in a while, and I'll even paint my
DO> nails black once in a while. It has yet to cause a major
DO> "disturbance". Of course, there was the odd redneck or two that
DO> made comments about my sexuality, but that can hardly be called
DO> disruptive, as it doesnt affect the operation of the school or
DO> its students.
BTW, for your reference, if you do suffer discrimination or
violence at the hands of your fellow students due to your sexual
orientation, you do have the right to have it stopped. There is
now court precendence that states that school systems *must*
protect students from sexual-orientation-harrassment and violence.
DO> And yeah, the public education system is a huge mess. I'm
DO> rather ashamed to say I'm from a country that thinks
DO> they've got it good.
Yeah, well, blame the Christers for destroying public
education... and their Republican't colleagues :)
Rod "...blame Jesus, and pass the condemnation" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Smoke me a kipper skipper, I'll be back for breakfast
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Domino
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:42:26
EID:3d73 223d6d40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee342
* On 10-01-97 at 18:02, DOMINO wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Oops, Caught Again" in echo Holysmoke:
DO> Jim, having seen Dan during his little streak, remarked:
DO> JS> What evidence do you have to make such an accusation?
DO> What evidence do you have to say that Jesus was male and the Bible is
DO> an accurate reference for anything besides the beleifs and practices
DO> of Christianity?
Domino... Let's make a pact to destroy Staalin here :) :) I'm
sure that having two "sexually-challenged" individuals chasing
after him would be a riotous laugh :)
Rod "...gays Jeezus, and pass the lubricant" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Commit the oldest sins the newest kind of ways
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: reinfestation
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:43:28
EID:1d65 223d6d60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee380
* On 09-01-97 at 22:51, ED MILLS wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "reinfestation" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> The fungus has returned.
EM> Hide your sheep.
EM> Did I miss any good ass-beatings while I was down?
Mooth talked :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and spank George Mooth" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Famous graffitti: Please don't write on the -- oops!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:45:30
EID:991d 223d6da0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee3fa
* On 29-12-96 at 12:38, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> PREPARE TO CELEBRATE
We are. You're going to be the centrepiece of some wicked gay orgy :)
GM> ACCEPT GOD'S INVITATION
GM> IF YOU WANT TO JOIN GOD'S CELEBRATION.
Accept our invitation, if your into subjugation... :)
Rod "...George the slave, how fun!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * As Piglet psychosexually said, "Bounce on me too Tigger!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:46:32
EID:991d 223d6dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee438
* On 30-12-96 at 10:39, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> THE BRIGHTEST HOPE
... was you actually responding to my messages, proving you may
actually have a few neurons still free to fight back against your
Godly delusions...
GM> EVEN IN THE BLEAKEST TIMES,
GM> CHRISTIANS HAVE THE BRIGHTEST HOPE.
You've just got that big grin because we're going to subjugate
you, George :)
Rod "...bleat now, or forever hold your slavery" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:47:34
EID:991d 223d6de0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee476
* On 31-12-96 at 11:35, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> FOOD FOR THE YEAR
You can have my meal every day, boy! :)
GM> THE BIBLE IS BREAD FOR DAILY USE,
GM> NOT CAKE FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS.
...But you're a cakeboy, George :)
Rod "...praise Queersus" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Without fools there would be no wisdom
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Slave
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:48:36
EID:4368 223d6e00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee4b4
* On 01-01-97 at 17:27, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> THE FOREST AND THE TREE
A story about a Forest of Christians, and how they persecute
Innocent Trees...
GM> THE WAY YOU RESPOND TO TEMPTATION
GM> WILL MAKE YOU OR BREAK YOU.
You responded to my temptations, George. It broke you :)
Rod "...you just have to give your mind up to me, rather than
God, now..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Whipping
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:49:38
EID:dfdd 223d6e20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee4f2
* On 02-01-97 at 11:33, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> WHY WE'RE HERE
You're here to serve me, George, and never forget your place at
*my* feet. You can call me master now :)
GM> OPPORTUNITIES TO BE KIND
GM> ARE NEVER HARD TO FIND.
But you prefer me to treat you bad, don't you George. It gets
you all excited :)
Rod "...you're mine, George :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't just stand there!!! Kneel!!!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:51:40
EID:991d 223d6e60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee56c
* On 03-01-97 at 11:51, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> WORSHIP SERVICE
That is exactly what I expect from you. To worship me, and
service my needs, George. That's what good slaves do.
GM> WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD, WE'RE PART OF A FELLOWSHIP
GM> AS WIDE AS THE WORLD AND AS HIGH AS HEAVEN.
But when you worship me, you'll be treated good. If you don't...
I'll treat you even better :) :)
Rod "...eh, slave George?" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * I'm not dead, I'm metabolically-challenged
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:53:44
EID:991d 223d6ea0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee5e8
* On 05-01-97 at 12:18, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> HELPING GOD
If God is so powerful, why does he need the help of mere mortals?
GM> FACING AN IMPOSSIBILITY
GM> GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRUST GOD.
...and then be completely damning of the deity-construct when his
intervention in our lives is not forthcoming -- leading to
disillusionment with the said deity-construct.
Rod "...God better start performing some average prayer requests,
or his followers will no longer be that" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do unto others, often.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:54:46
EID:991d 223d6ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee626
* On 06-01-97 at 12:04, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> TERMS OF OBEDIENCE
Yes, I will provide you with some, new slave of mine.
GM> TRUE OBEDIENCE IS ON GOD'S TERMS, NOT OURS.
Yes, I will be your God. You will do what I say. If you do not,
I will severely punish you. Do you want to know more about your
service to me, slave?
Rod "...I love you, slave George. And you're mine!!!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:55:48
EID:991d 223d6ee0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee664
* On 07-01-97 at 11:04, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> "OUT OF WORK"
You won't need to work when you're my chattel, George slave. I
will keep you.
GM> WHOEVER GUARDS HIS MOUTH AND TONGUE
GM> KEEPS HIS SOUL FROM TROUBLES.
Sound advice, slave of mine. You should heed it, before Master
Rod has to mete out some punishment.
Rod "...naughty slaves will learn to be good" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Necrotelecomnicon: Book of dead phone numbers
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:56:50
EID:991d 223d6f00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee6a2
* On 08-01-97 at 10:59, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> I'M IN DEBT
You are, yes, George. You're indebted to me from saving you from
your sorry existence and adding your toil to my resources, slave.
GM> HOW CAN WE GIVE ONLY A LITTLE
GM> WHEN CHRIST GAVE US HIS ALL?
I agree. I expect you to give yourself over to me, George. Now!
Rod "...you have no choice, slave of mine" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Laugh and the world thinks you're an idiot
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 13:57:52
EID:991d 223d6f20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee6e0
* On 09-01-97 at 12:16, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> CHILDREN MAY NOT INHERIT THEIR PARENTS' TALENTS,
GM> BUT THEY WILL ABSORB THEIR VALUES.
I never knew that you came from a home filled with mental-abuse,
George... :)
Rod "...because you've been mentally abused" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: the other shoe
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:01:54
EID:188d 223d7020
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee7d2
* On 09-01-97 at 10:27, AL SCHROEDER wrote to RONALD VASS,
on the topic of "the other shoe" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> Ron.
AS> RV>
AS> RV> You were addressing a post to the Swift Rod of truth.
AS> Typo. But my apologies both to you and Rod.
Apology not accepted.
AS> RV> Controlling the freewill of Mike ? You Nasty Christian, you. In
AS> RV> case it slip by you , Mike is a well educated
lad
AS> RV> and very capable of defending himself.
AS> Never doubted it for a minute. And certainly nothing would keep him
from
AS> doing so. But after looking at, say, six posts from Ron all responding
to
AS> points raised in AUGUST, it seems pretty silly. ---
See the underlined text above as to why your apology is not
accepted by me, because it was never sincere by you, Al.
AS> RV> You claimed, you Don't do that, and You just did. Beauty Al, a
real
AS> RV> beauty. Toss out a Al gem, not even related to the material
in
AS> RV> the post Al was replying to.
AS> It seems quite appropriate at the time. Since Loki loves mischief.
But highly erroneous, and merely speculative. Of course, any
such expectation of an apology on my behalf contains a caveat
that will state that it was never sincere in the first place.
AS> RV> To address Rod as Ron was cute enought, but that pearl, was even
AS> Don't confuse Machiavellian scheming for a simple typo, Ron.
A simple typo you *again* repeat in this reply to Ron.
AS> RV> If i were to believe in a god, it would be Lucifer, since going
by the
AS> RV> book of lies, Lucifer at least tells the truth. Brings the light
of
AS> RV> day upon the evil of the christian belief/god and shows of its
rot.
AS> Which is no doubt why Jesus refers to him as "the father of lies..."
But
AS> many people know that the cleverest way to tell a lie is to tell a
half
AS> truth.
So you now admit to being under Satan's control with the litany
of lies in both your first post in this thread to me, and your
blatant dishonesty in this latest reply?
Rod "...I expect you to do nothing less than fall on a sword over
this issue, and admit you are actually wrong, Al. No half-baked
explanations, just admission." Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * First rule of intelligent tinkering: Save all the parts
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Quote
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:02:56
EID:6c40 223d7040
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee810
* On 08-01-97 at 13:55, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Quote" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> Faith and belief are usually based on something. - Mark English
FR> Yes. Myth. Faith and belief come out of lack of knowledge. - Rod
Swift
I am indeed honoured, Fredric. Thank you.
Rod "...you using my quotation is another case of a good
public-service-announcement to this echo... That's another
atheist 'good work' to piss Jesse off with :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus is Jewish, why does he have a Spanish name?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Al S.; Warring Christani
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:03:58
EID:57d4 223d7060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee84e
* On 08-01-97 at 18:47, FREDRIC RICE wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Al S.; Warring Christanic" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> FR> Because you disagree with David about bone structure
FR> fr> doesn't mean that everything he says is subject to opinion.
FR> gtp> Everything everyone says is subject to opinion. I
FR> gtp> figure David's just mad cuz I wouldn't come and show him
FR> gtp> my tits.
FR> Hey! Come to think of it, _I'VE_ never been allowed to
FR> fondle your teats! Now _I'm_ angry! }:-}
FR> ~*~ The only thing wrong with masturbation is loneliness. - Al Schroeder
FR> You've never tried it in a group? :) I thought that's what the
FR> death cult was all about! :) - Rod Swift
Thanks for this quotation being put into your illustrious
collection. I consider it an honour. I hope that I can provide
many more posts and quotes to your collection of online debunking
material.
Rod "...it's all part of the new post-Christian America that we
so dream about" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Found God? What, have you lost him *again*?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:04:00
EID:f601 223d7080
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee850
* On 31-12-96 at 11:12, JIM STAAL wrote to RICHARD SMITH,
on the topic of "Educational Experienc" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (30 Dec 96) Richard Smith wrote to Rod Swift...
JS> RS> He's a fucking bigot, period.
JS> And you sir, are an obvious ignorant gnome.
... and all that Christian love just washes over me. Praise
Jesus! I've been converted...
Rod "...not fucking likely" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I wanted to be born again but my mother said: "No!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Believer
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:05:02
EID:40c3 223d70a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee88e
* On 08-01-97 at 14:10, FREDRIC RICE wrote to MARK ENGLISH,
on the topic of "Believer" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> ME> My worst nightmare is a world full of faggots, is that you?
FR> I'll bet you're a Christian.
You are 100% right, Fred :)
Rod "... he was :) He's also left now. Might be that untenable
belief system crumbling that made him leave :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Politics: Poly=many, Ticks=blood-sucking parasites
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: You're a Christian. I k
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:06:04
EID:265a 223d70c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee8cc
* On 08-01-97 at 14:11, FREDRIC RICE wrote to MARK ENGLISH,
on the topic of "You're a Christian. I kn" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> ME> **** YOU, YOU HAIRLESS LITTLE FAGGOT!
FR> Ah, I see that you _are_ a Christian. Gee. Imagine how I knew that.
All faggots are hareless. We all know that gerbils fit better.
Rod "...ROFL!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Can I put my Sharp in your mainframe on the desktop?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Domino
|Sub: Thanks
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:07:06
EID:2da8 223d70e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eee90a
* On 08-01-97 at 22:45, DOMINO wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Thanks" in echo Holysmoke:
DO> Snort.. Snicker.. As far as I've seen, he has yet to comment in Thump_it!
DO> about when I let good 'ol Trent (resident fundy) in on my little secret:
I'm
DO> bi and it wasn't a choice.. Trent has this affinity for
DO> ignoring first hand facts.. (He's claimed a multitude of
DO> times that bi/homosexuality is a choice.. Odd.. Wasn't a
DO> choice for me..)
DO> David? What *were*(are) your thoughts on it?
I'd love to hear the thoughts of some of the fundies around here
;) :)
Rod "...praise the Stargoat, and pass the nitrous oxide" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Easter is cancelled this year. They've found the body.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian Dating Service
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:15:08
EID:b713 223d71e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeeaec
* On 08-01-97 at 18:04, FREDRIC RICE wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Christian Dating Service" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> dc> The diocese later admitted that McGreal was aslo allegedly a
FR> dc> pedophile. He had been twice to the church's treatment center
FR> dc> for pedophiles in Jemez Springs, NM
FR> It has become cliche', huh? Sickening. A Christian dating
FR> service for pedophiles. They ship them off for
FR> "psychological counciling" and, a month later, pretend he's
FR> "cured" and ship him off to his next set of victims.
Sick, isn't it. These bastards should be given the death
penalty, or term-of-natural-life jail terms. :( And the church
should have to pay compensation. Let's start at $1 million per
count of sex act.
Rod "...sick bastards" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't just do something!!! Stand there!!!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Leonard Bernier
|Sub: Hello
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:26:10
EID:e14b 223d7340
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeed82
* On 08-01-97 at 13:55, LEONARD BERNIER wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "Hello" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> PRAISE GOD !
LB> Dear Fredric:
LB> "For God so loved the world that He gave His only
LB> begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but
LB> have everlasting life."
For God so loved the world, he gave us HIV
For God so loved the world, he gave us Ebola
For God so loved the world, he gave us third-world famine
For God so loved the world, he gave us the ability to hate and war
For God so loved the world, he gave us damnation
PRAISE GOD, THE SPOILED CHILD-GOD!
* OLX 2.1 TD * Close your mind quick! Something blasphemous may get in!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Tiger Eyes
|Sub: Native Americans
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:30:12
EID:5de7 223d73c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeee74
* On 09-01-97 at 15:06, TIGER EYES wrote to J.J. HITT,
on the topic of "Native Americans" in echo Holysmoke:
TE> While scapling J.J. Hitt, for his stupidy, Tiger Eyes told him.....
TE> TE>> Listen to the voices of the Indian nations
TE> JJH> You mean those ignorant shits who never invented the wheel?
TE> JJH> Or a written language?
TE> Look you ignorant Nazi, skin-head motherfucker!
TE> If it weren't for us Native Americans, your ancestor's fucking
TE> white ass would have starved to death.
Dear TigerEyes, it's LoveCub. :) :) Please understand that some
people *are* pulling your chain to elicit such responses.
Flippancy is the best policy around here.
Rod "...you can be better than them, if you so choose :)" Swift :) :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The universe's most common elements: Hydrogen & Stupidity
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: So Long
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:32:14
EID:063d 223d7400
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eeeeee
* On 09-01-97 at 00:56, DAN CEPPA wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "So Long" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> ... "Bother," said Pooh, as he quietly paid Kanga's abortion bill.
Nate will be onto you. He'll be protesting and picketing
veterinary clinics soon! :)
Rod "...save the gay whales from abortion doctors!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus saves? Not on my salary he doesn't.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Bible
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:38:16
EID:fc59 223d74c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eef058
* On 08-01-97 at 16:12, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Bible" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> How about getting a stack of Beavis and Butt-head bookmarks
FR> and inserting them into Christanic bibles at the HolySmoke
FR> convention's hotels? I saw the suggestion in a "Cracked"
FR> magazine.
Oh boy. We could interleave bible pages with gay porn :)
Rod "...watch that Gideon Spin(tm)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * God is watching me? What is he, a pervert?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Blast from the past
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:39:18
EID:34ce 223d74e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eef096
* On 08-01-97 at 16:25, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Blast from the past" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> But the fact that the disciples all saw and ate and
FR> touched Jesus is important. - Al Schroeder
FR> Christanic cannibalism. Disgusting!
... after the obligatory homophilic advances of wanting to "touch
Jesus", Fred :) :)
Rod "...but we all know Jesus was gay" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Christians wanted, apply at Perth Zoo's lion cage
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Ski Canada -- In the sum
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:43:20
EID:6b59 223d7560
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eef188
* On 08-01-97 at 17:18, FREDRIC RICE wrote to SUE ARMSTRONG,
on the topic of "Ski Canada -- In the summ" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> It sounds like geography is a very poor subject in the
FR> United States. And math. And science. And English. I
FR> suspect that what you ran into was someone who learned
FR> everything he knew about Canada from watching television
FR> documentaries.
Or from that lovely news "feature" at http://www.theonion.com/
(it's in the ARCHIVES section of that web site).
FR> I'm often embarrassed by American exhibitions of stupidity
FR> and ignorance. When I was in France I disliked muchly the
FR> loud-mouthed Americans who uttered demands and wanted to be
FR> treated like royalty.
Americans are like that everywhere they go in the world. It is
because they don't have the humility to realise they aren't the
best country in the world.
Rod "...'But America is the best nation in the world, you have
McDonald's in Australia!'... 'Australia is the best nation in the
world, you have kangaroos and koalas and emus in your zoos!' :)"
Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * First rule of intelligent tinkering: Save all the parts
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Warring Christanic Facti
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:48:22
EID:5fb1 223d7600
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eef2b6
* On 10-01-97 at 10:16, J.J. HITT wrote to DAVID WORRELL,
on the topic of "Warring Christanic Factio" in echo Holysmoke:
JH> Oh, yeah? Well, I'm a "ignorant Nazi skinhead motherfucker".
JH> That's the HolySmoke equivalent to a full house.
Ayup! BTW, this should be FAQ'ed
JH> Pair Being called an athiest fundy.
JH> Two Pair Song lyrics, Rush Limbaugh, the Bible,
JH> Readers Digest or Laurie Appleton used
JH> as an authoritative reference.
JH> Three of a Kind Getting yet another reply from someone who
JH> has "twitted" you.
JH> Strait "You didn't quote my entire booklength
JH> message that I worked so hard on!"
JH> Flush Any paragraph over 2000 words.
JH> Full House Any comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
JH> Strait Flush Threats and curses. Includes the ever
JH> popular "I'll pray for you."
JH> Royal Flush "My hard drive crashed."
JH> Five of a Kind I'm not at all sure, but we'll see one before
JH> too much more time passes.
I propose Five-of-a-Kind is making a spammer speak :) :)
Rod "...Moothy, talkytalky to your master!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * As Piglet psychosexually said, "Bounce on me too Tigger!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: All
|Sub: New THE ONION Icon!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 14:50:24
EID:556f 223d7640
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32eef330
There's a new ICON at the onion! (http://www.theonion.com/)
It's "Christianity celebrates it's billionth prayer unanswered".
Thought you might all like it for your webpages :) :)
Rod "...it's on one of the subpages for one of the January
editions" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Martyrdom: The only way someone becomes famous -- Shaw
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Pasta, my ass! It's
|Date: 29 Jan 97 15:48:02
EID:f829 223d7e00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef00b2
* On 10-01-97 at 22:06, ED MILLS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Pasta, my ass! It's" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> Bilabial Fricatives on 05 Jan 97, of Rod Swift/J.J. Hitt, thus:
EM> RS> Actually, JJ, there's at least 200 basic rights of marriage
EM> RS> denied to gay people. There are a plethora more that are not
EM> RS> even given out by the state, but by other institutions.
EM> Do you think that being afflicted with supernatural belief is a
EM> main cause of this oppression, or a parallel, independent disease?
I think it is causally linked. Christian homophobia is different
to other homophobia. Many people have violent homophobic
reactions due to experiences past. Christians rarely do, and are
carrying out their bible's social agenda.
Christians are the only type of homophobes that actively seek
political office to put their oppression into law. Christian
homophobes are the only type that try to pass referenda against
gays :)
EM> Now that I think about it, I've met just as many non-religious
EM> homophobes as otherwise...
The majority of the non-religious types, however, are not out to
destroy (by legislation) the rights of gay people. Their fear is
somewhat legitimised as it is a personal expression of their own
revulsion at possibly being gay.
They also state "I don't care what they do in private, as long as
they don't hit on me". An expression of their own interests.
Rod "...the religious ones want to actively destroy oppositions" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Never attribute to malice that which stupidity explains
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Double Standard Ken!
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:02:04
EID:a2a8 223d8040
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef03fc
* On 10-01-97 at 12:12, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Double Standard Ken!" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> RS> Christian who stands up for denying disease-control information
JB> RS> to the public? Are they murderers by denying the information
JB> Today's stupidity from South Carolina. (It's really getting to be a
JB> bad habit.)
JB> Governor David Beasley (stealth RR candidate until he won the election)
JB> today cut off funds to the state health departments that distribute
JB> condoms. The condoms go or they close their doors. He says it doesn't
fit
JB> with his 'family oriented' policy.
Reminds me of the Dallas County Commissioners, and their federal
funding. I believe they lost their HIV-combat funding?
JB> State health departments provide immunizations for children whose parents
JB> can't afford them, mental health facilities, hearing and speech clinics...
JB> in addition to the traditional STD clinics. In this state they also
JB> provide pregnancy testing and referral (NOT abortion) and many other
health
JB> services such as the rabies vaccine my friend Cheryl just had to have
due
JB> to a bite from a stray dog.
JB> But, because they also provide condoms for those who cannot afford them,
JB> they are persona non grata...unless they cease and desist with this
service.
JB> HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THIS STATE GOING TO GET?
Until the legislators' own family members start falling off the
perch, I don't know, Judith.
Sensible governments have always approached HIV as a disease
control issue. Condom education is better than dead teens in
every country, it seems, but the US.
JB> (that's a rhetorical question and nobody need even try to answer it.)
Because the answer is too hard to bear.
Rod "...true political statesmen and stateswomen no longer exist
in the US, Judith, because being a statesperson means making and
taking the politically difficult decisions that reap LONG-TERM,
not short-term, rewards" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Laugh and the world thinks you're an idiot
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: World wide flood! [1/
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:03:06
EID:46c0 223d8060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef043a
* On 10-01-97 at 12:08, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "World wide flood! [1/" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Doug Schwandt <=-
JB> RS> also find, further, that marsupials are not exclusive to
JB> RS> Australia :) Looked in South America recently?
JB> Hell, he hasn't even looked in his own back yard. Does the word 'possum
JB> ring a bell?
BOC :)
Rod "...thanks Judith" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Commit the oldest sins the newest kind of ways
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Promisekeepers Article
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:03:08
EID:a784 223d8060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef043c
* On 10-01-97 at 15:53, KAREN DAVIS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Promisekeepers Article" in echo Holysmoke:
KD> On (02 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> RS> It's also a kill fag club. And John can't deny that promisefilth
KD> RS> have physically assaulted protesters outside "conferences"
KD> RS> either -- can he?
KD> have they?
I'll hunt the net for the relevant articles. There are some
hateful examples out there.
Rod "...I know, I used to use the articles to get the
promisefilth all upset in their USENET newsgroup" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Politics: Poly=many, Ticks=blood-sucking parasites
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: Legislating Morality
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:06:10
EID:7e42 223d80c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef04f2
* On 10-01-97 at 15:54, KAREN DAVIS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Legislating Morality" in echo Holysmoke:
KD> On (07 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to Karen Davis...
KD> RS> No. It doesn't. And here's the real joke. Rep Bob Barr (R-GA)
KD> RS> was the person who introduced this bill. He's onto his THIRD
KD> RS> WIFE.
KD> Typical.
Isn't it, though. It'd be like Newt Gingrich writing tomes on
ethical behaviour :)
KD> RS> If he was surely supporting defending marriage, he'd do something
KD> RS> like outlaw no-fault divorce.
KD> Agreed!
Or he'd keep Newtie accountable for divorcing his first wife on
the hospital bed!
KD> RS> Congratulations, Karen.
KD> Thank you.
You're welcome, and due adulatory congratulations :)
KD> RS> Christopher and I are starting our FIFTH year in our
KD> RS> relationship. We live 12,000km apart. Of course, Ken's probably
KD> RS> one of those whiners who says: "But homosexuals have equal rights
KD> RS> already. They have the right to live their lives together".
KD> A long distance gay relationship? That's unusual.
Not really. There are at least 4,000 binational couples on the
mailing list of the Lesbian and Gay Immigration and Asylum Rights
Task Force in New York. We expect that there are probably
40,000-50,000 binational gay couples in the US.
Rod "...I know one couple who have been living apart 24 years :(
and this injustice must end soon" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Pasta, my ass! It's
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:07:12
EID:4077 223d80e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef0530
* On 11-01-97 at 09:48, J.J. HITT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Pasta, my ass! It's" in echo Holysmoke:
JH> On Jan 05 13:41 97, Rod Swift of 3:690/660 wrote:
JH> JH>> The issue (as I see it) with homosexual marriages isn't so
JH> JH>> much with the government, but the insurance companies. If
JH> JH>> we had universal health care coverage under a single payer
JH> JH>> system, then 99 percent of the fuss over gay marriages
JH> JH>> would disappear overnight.
JH> RS> Actually, it's not really.
JH> Excelent points.
Thanks JJ. I didn't mean to sound like I was flaming you. There
are many reasons that same-gender couples want to marry. The
most important one is freedom.
Rod "...thanks for your support, JJ" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Was that my hard drive, or are you torturing a cat?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Cure
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:07:14
EID:b46c 223d80e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef0532
* On 11-01-97 at 11:58, GLEN TODD wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Cure" in echo Holysmoke:
GT> While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Rod
Swift
GT> whisper furtively to Dave Ewen something about Cure:
GT> RS> Why are you making the assumption that -- in sexual orientation
GT> RS> -- there is only one "correct" sexuality?
GT> 'Cus his babble done tole him so. {disgusted grimace}
Science tells us different, though, eh? :)
Rod "...another case of the bible colliding with science, and
science winning, yet again" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Atheist: a person with no invisible means of support
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Luke 10:17-20 (NKJV)
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:08:16
EID:b9ae 223d8100
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef0570
* On 11-01-97 at 12:00, GLEN TODD wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Luke 10:17-20 (NKJV)" in echo Holysmoke:
GT> Heilsa, Rod Swift!
GT> While idly toying with a yellow silk scarf, Glen Todd overheard Rod
Swift
GT> whisper furtively to Katherine Wintersnight something about
GT> Luke 10:17-20 (NKJV):
GT> RS> The INHELL 666MHz Pentagram-Inside(tm) Pentagram Pro Processor.
GT> RS> It's from the Joke Wallpaper Site on the Internet. I'll share it
GT> What's the URL?
http://www.jokewallpaper.com/
The pentagram pro processor is on Judith's page, from memory...
Or is it Katherine's?
Rod "...I saw it on someone's page :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Martyrdom: The only way someone becomes famous -- Shaw
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:09:18
EID:68cc 223d8120
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef05ae
* On 11-01-97 at 13:31, GLEN TODD wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GT> GM>> TO GAIN SELF-CONTROL,
GT> GM>> GIVE CHRIST CONTROL.
GT> RS> Normally I get a lot of mirth by telling George how silly his
GT> RS> little cans of spam are each day.
GT> I don't even bother anymore, because I've seen no evidence
GT> that he reads anything in here.
He did post four replies to me.
Claimed I was under Satan's control *yawn*....
GT> RS> However, this one takes the cake. It's self-contradictory.
GT> That _is_ even more brainless than usual for him.
You gotta love it. Maybe all my enturbulation of him is starting
to take effect....
GT> It also says something for the sorry state of his alleged
GT> higher intellectual functions that _he_ didn't notice the
GT> inherent internal contradiction.
They get that way after they've been brainwashed with the Josh
McDowell Stuff....
Rod "...That McDowell stuff really wrecks the mind :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Gwenny The Pooh
|Sub: Execute Her ?
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:23:20
EID:b0af 223d82e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef08f8
* On 12-01-97 at 14:38, ROD SWIFT wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Execute Her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> On 01-11-96 at 20:47, GWENNY THE POOH wrote to ROGER HUNTER:
RS> Oh my, I think I died and went to comedic heaven. BTW, that new
RS> movie with Cleese, Palin and Curtis in it looks good. :)
This movie, BTW, was Fierce Creatures :) Just for your info,
Gwenny!
"....hmmm... where does the third one go?"
Rod "...hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Anti-women, anti-gay -- born again bigot, go away!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: do you know this gay?
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:26:22
EID:a2ee 223d8340
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef09ae
* On 09-01-97 at 20:53, FREDRIC RICE wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG,
on the topic of "do you know this gay?" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> "Diddled?" Is that anything like masturbating
FR> while looking at my web page with my photograph on it?
Diddled is normally a sexual congress thing, in Zone 2 :)
Rod "...for your info" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus is Jewish, why does he have a Spanish name?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Mimi Milstein
|Sub: Miracle on Jan 4
|Date: 29 Jan 97 16:28:24
EID:5d47 223d8380
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32ef0a28
* On 11-01-97 at 14:43, MIMI MILSTEIN wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Miracle on Jan 4" in echo Holysmoke:
MM> Hello All!
Hello Mimi!
MM> Did you all see it: On Jan-04-97 George the Mooth actually
MM> replied to 4 msgs from Rod Swift, and they sat right inside
MM> a run of his usual unsolicited rubbish, so it was not a fake.
Yes, I made Mooth Talk. I suspect it is because he thinks I'm
controlled by Say-tan, and he wants to have a battle with Say-tan.
MM> Now how come he only wants to speak to Australians and the
MM> rest of us get ignored? I am also in the Southern hemisphere
MM> but I am obviously not good enough
You should see my latest batch of *FILTH FILTH FILTH* :)
Rod "...he's my slaveboy now :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Commit the oldest sins the newest kind of ways
--- Maximus 2.02
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