God Damned Fundies!
|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 01 Feb 97 12:57:20
EID:e022 22416720
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2cd30
* On 17-01-97 at 20:59, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> Rod and George were killing time yakking about Our Daily Bread:
LB> GM> gmooth@sprynet.com
LB> oooohhh! An email address!!!!
Yes, I'm getting orgasmic over that :)
Rod "...woowoo! I could send all sorts of stuff :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Velcronomicon: A magick book that sticks with you
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Zulu harvest festival
|Date: 01 Feb 97 12:59:22
EID:9b2e 22416760
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* On 19-01-97 at 03:52, PATRIOT wrote to GLEN TODD,
on the topic of "Zulu harvest festival" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> FR> ~*~ "He'd ask me if I'd ever let anyone screw my
PA> FR> daughter when she was
PA> FR> that young, and I said, 'No, She's only nine
PA> FR> years old.' He asked me
PA> FR> if she started developing [breasts] or if she had any hair
down
PA> FR> there. I said 'Nooo...' he even asked me if
PA> FR> pussy was real tight or
PA> FR> not... sometimes he used the word cunt... 'I can picture my
cock
PA> FR> going in and out of a pussy like that,' he said... I didn't
know
PA> FR> what to say. I though, 'This man's got to be sick."
PA> FR> -- Debra Murphree detailing Jimmy Swaggart's
PA> FR> interest in her 9 year old daughter.
PA> FR> (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
PA> GT> Now _there's_ Christian family values for you.
PA> Yeah, and _there's_ a reputable source for you.
You didn't disprove the evidence, however.
Rod "...so it stands" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: The impact of pig's wings on lingustics
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:01:24
EID:e4bb 22416820
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2ce24
* On 19-01-97 at 13:17, PATRIOT wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "Most Read Book" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> Actually, according to the Supreme Court (US vs. Trinity
PA> Church) America is indeed a Christian nation.
Can you please cite the case number and year of this decision,
and further, a quotation from the decision that supports this
statement?
Thank you :)
PA> And if you do your homework, you will discover most of the
PA> foundign father of the USA, were Christians..
Wrong. They were specifically deists who believed in separation
for the benefit of both the state and religions.
Rod "...you're a fool, Patriot." Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:08:26
EID:803a 22416900
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2cfca
* On 21-01-97 at 18:53, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> JH> It's also right next door to the only Scientology Mission in
PH> JH> Houston.
PH> RS> Patrick and Dale-Ann are down near Fondren, about 3 miles from
PH> RS> Fuzzy's. You should hear some of the things we've done to the
PH> RS> Scienos there :)
PH> It'd be nice if J.J. could here them from the staff that were there
on the
PH> day I turned 40, but alas, they seem to have been RPFed. (They could
at
PH> least pedal to the org -- beats running around a pole all day, any time.
:-)
RICE AND BEANS!!!! :) RPF for fun and prophet! :)
PH> RS> Rod "...ahh, I remember the day they were photographing the
PH> RS> licence plates of each and ever car in the carpark to try and
PH> RS> find out who we are :)" Swift ;)
PH> Come to think of it, we may rent a car next time...
No... We'll catch a bus down :) I'm sure METRO would love to be
accused as governmental conspirators :)
PH> --PLH, how many free NOTS come with a car rental from Alamo?
NUTS! :)
Rod "...hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Atheism: A non-prophet organisation
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: alternative views
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:11:28
EID:bc5b 22416960
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d080
* On 21-01-97 at 18:56, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "alternative views" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> I thought it was pepperoni and extra cheese on his Tombstone(tm).
RS> Rod "a Fuzzy's clam pizza for your thoughts?" Swift
PH> No, no, no...they're STILL slightly enturbulated over the last one served
PH> at Fuzzy's. (The clams next door, I mean. Fuzzy is still happy, because
PH> he's got us for customers -- and we can afford a bit more than the
PH> occasional iced tea that the clams seem to specialize in...:-)
RS> They specialise only in the iced tea??? Doesn't the El Ron Cult
RS> pay enough? *guffaw*!
PH> Fuzzy would -love- to have a few more customers with purchasing power,
but
PH> dammit, he just won't take the "free stress test" the clams have been
PH> hawking for the last couple of months. :-)
ROFL!!!!
PH> PH> --Patrick L. "godless heathen *and* SP 3" Humphrey
PH> RS> For the benefit of the echo, you might want to publish the ARSCC
PH> RS> Suppressive Person Rank list :)
PH> I'll have to dig it up when time permits at work.
Please do. I believe I'm SP4 at the moment, having received a
KKKobragram! :)
PH> RS> Rod "...i.e. what distinguishes and SP2 from an SP3 or SP4" Swift
:)
PH> Well, being a critic -- even as much as posting an article to
PH> alt.religion.scientology critical of the cult -- gets you the SP 1 award.
PH> The clams have reacted to my presence *or* something I've posted, thus
I'm
PH> an SP 3, at present -- but that *&^%$#@! 'Ho never sent me any e-mail
PH> threatening me with legal action because I asked for a legal copy of
NOTS,
PH> so I'm still striving to make SP 4, someday...
The 'Ho has sent me email ::) :) :) :)
PH> --PLH, my bets are on Grady Ward to make SP 8 -- sue the bastards and
win
I hope so too!
Rod "...and get punitives that can be enforced against them,
rather than them making a part of the church insolvent like in
the Wollersheim case" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Gun Control: The ability to drop a fundie at 500 yards
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:13:30
EID:803a 224169a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d0fa
* On 21-01-97 at 19:02, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> PH> JH> Let me know when. Fuzzy's is only a mile or two from here.
PH> PH> It's just a hair short of two miles from where Dale
PH> PH> and I live, too. (If I
PH> PH> remember right, when we had the little conference at Genghis Khan,
we
PH> PH> hadn't yet moved over here right behind Sharpstown Giant Parking
Lot.)
PH> RS> I thought it was about 2-3 miles from Dale-Ann the Devious and
PH> RS> Patrick the Godless Heathen :)
PH> Trust me...I've pedaled up there far too many times to -not- know how
far
PH> it is. (Actually, though, it's 1.95 miles if I'm -not- suicidal and
take
PH> the safe route up Crossview, but 1.81 if I go for broke and dash up
PH> Fondren. :-)
Ooooh... You mindless speed-demon :) I wonder if Racky knows
these routes :) :)
PH> RS> As a matter of honour and respect, I don't disclose ages :) Oh,
PH> RS> except to Allen Newton, and only to rile him up :) :)
PH> Let's just say that my next birthday will be of interest to Douglas
Adams
PH> fans. :-)
Yes. It's the answer :) :) My last birthday was the one for
dyslexic Adams' fans :)
PH> PH> --Patrick L. "Grumpy Old Man in training" Humphrey
PH> RS> You're not grumpy. If you were truly grumpy, you'd have had the
PH> RS> entire crowd lynching us at the Solar Bears v Aeros game :)
PH> The way we have the crowd going this season, it could be done --
PH> fortunately, the Solar Bears have made their three visits to town, so
PH> you're off the hook. :-)
Damn. :) We will have to fly you to Orlando :) :)
PH> RS> Rod "...who recently cancelled return tickets to the US because
PH> RS> of the up-in-the-air nature of the Baehr v Miike appeal :(" Swift
:)
PH> Ouch...and just when we decided -not- to spend the coming weekend in
Utah
PH> watching that certain hockey team of ours play there. Instead, we'll
have
PH> to rile the folks in Cleveland in April. :-)
PH> --PLH, a six-by-eight foot Texas flag oughta do it...
No. A very large copy of the NOTS on a bedsheet should do... :) :)
Rod "...then we can all be New Operating Thetans" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Lying Jones Scum
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:14:32
EID:cdee 224169c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d138
* On 21-01-97 at 19:08, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lying Jones Scum" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> ~*~ Just shut up and sit back down and ride the bus like the rest of
us.
FR> - Patrick Humphrey
RS> I'd sorely love to know the context of this one, Fredric or
RS> Patrick :)
PH> Don't ask me...I'm a Method actor for the part of Grumpy Old Man, remember?
PH> :-)
Damn. :) :)
PH> --PLH, I hope -someone- can tell me if that quote is archived at Deja
News,
PH> though...
I will have a looky looky :)
Rod "...hehehehe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: The impact of pig's wings on lingustics
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Balanced treatment.
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:16:34
EID:4e49 22416a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d1b2
* On 21-01-97 at 19:09, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Balanced treatment." in echo Holysmoke:
RS> That's it, you and 'partner' are invited to my wedding too :)
RS> Rod "...that's another two Houstonites coming along!" Swift
PH> A*hem*. Dale and I are _Houstonians_. Houstonites
PH> come down here from up
PH> north. Houstonians grow from the ground up. (Or something like that.)
RS> Oh, right... :) So, what does that make Dakotans? *wink*
PH> I don't know, but considering Dale's family, I don't think I want to
find
PH> out, either. :-)
Oh, ho ho ho! *waves to Dale*
PH> PH> --PLH, how many people wanna ride up for the wedding
PH> PH> in the back of the Red
PH> PH> Menace?
PH> RS> Woowoo! JJ in the Red Menace? hahaha :) Perish the thought.
PH> RS> How are things going over there for you and Dale, Patrick?
PH> Just muddling through the usual routines, while awaiting the arrival
of our
PH> first grandson -- any day now...
Oh my. Squeezing out another grandchild :) :) Soon you will be
constantly travelling 'up north' to see them.
That is, they will be forcing the rerouting of funding from
essential out-of-state Aeros fandom travel to family travel.
SACRILEGE :)
PH> RS> Rod "...it's just too hot here right now in Oz" Swift :(
PH> It's only going to get up to 24 C here tomorrow. The Ice Age is back
upon
PH> us.
PH> --PLH, it beats the -20C up in Dale's old neighborhood...
Oh, I think that'd be nice :)
Rod "...it's boiling and 44C today" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If you choke a Smurf, what colour does it turn?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: More grist for your mill
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:16:36
EID:3cbf 22416a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d1b4
* On 21-01-97 at 08:08, RICK MCFARLANE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "More grist for your mill" in echo Holysmoke:
RM> Good morning, ROd.
RM> I hope you didn't miss this.
RM> LA> Good for you then. We need more like that. Incidentally
RM> LA> my daughter married a man who was born in Holland and whose
RM> LA> parents migrated to Australia. He is a fine man and has been
RM> LA> a good husband. Does the name Van Leeuwen, sound like a
RM> LA> typical "stubborn Hollander"? :-) He is also a sincere and
RM> LA> dedicated Christian and Creationist!
RM> Take care.
No, I didn't :)
The research hounds will be sniffing out some info :) :)
Rod "...hope to get some results for you soon" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus Christ Super Fraud. The Musical!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:20:38
EID:cdaf 22416a80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d2a6
* On 22-01-97 at 01:59, DAVID WORRELL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
DW> 20 Jan 97 00:41, Rod Swift wrote to All:
DW> RS> The idea was spawned by flea market operator Leonoso
DW> RS> Canales, who told the San Antonio Express-News, "I see
hell
DW> RS> in hello. It's disguised by the o, but once you see it,
it
DW> RS> will slap you in the face."
DW>
DW> I guess we can no longer go to the beach to collect
DW> seashells, either. We'll have to collect seasheavens, now.
A-yep!
DW> Somebody ought to send this moron a list of all the words
DW> containg the word "hell."
I can get a list later from the user dictionary online :)
DW> I wonder how he feels about the contraction of "He will?"
Oh, he'aven be really annoyed :)
Rod "...heheheeh" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Colorado again... 1/
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:21:40
EID:5db7 22416aa0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d2e4
* On 22-01-97 at 11:50, JAN DEBOER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Colorado again..." in echo Holysmoke:
JD> How in the name of Cthulu is one individual able to stick taxpayers
with
JD> the costs of running such a referendum plus the ensuing court battles,
JD> when anyone with an ounce of grey matter can see that such blatant
JD> discrimination is doomed from the start?
And the taxpayers of Colorado should be outraged because they're
not only paying the multi-million-dollar legal bill of the state,
but also the plaintiffs too.
Rod "...because they lost :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Fat People
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:26:42
EID:57d4 22416b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d412
* On 19-01-97 at 08:16, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to BRIAN SHREVE,
on the topic of "FAT PEOPLE" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Brian Shreve spoke thusly to Marilyn Burge <=-
JB> BS> most cases of homosexuality is in the genes, and not a choice.
JB> BS> (And nope, I'm not fat or gay or bisexual. I'm just a mental case.
JB> I'm waiting for the day we get the perfect target for all of us...
JB> a fat, gay, black, Jewish, Republican fundamentalist.
Paul Boyer is not fat or black :) :)
Rod "...ducking for cover" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:39:44
EID:9776 22426ce0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f428a0
* On 18-01-97 at 07:30, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Black lipstick" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> Try PUPPY MILLS. After the raid in Washington state, that's even more
JB> disgusting. (250 dogs SURVIVED, 77 pups between the ages of 3 and 6
weeks
JB> with no way of telling which mother belonged to which pups, ears on
JB> so-called fighting breeds not just cropped but cut off...with scissors.)
And we can't forget that Houston-area Puppy Mill for Jesus --
can we... :(
Rod "...all those few months back" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: archives
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:43:46
EID:3e32 22426d60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42992
* On 14-01-97 at 16:25, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "archives" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> I'm looking for archives of the stupidest, most illogical and/or the
JB> most repugnant posts to hit this echo. (In the last year only, please,
I
JB> don't have THAT much space.)
Should set up a webpage... Worst of the month :) :)
Rod "...what a great idea"! Swift!
* OLX 2.1 TD * Arachnohomophobia: Fear of gay spiders
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Becke, slave to satan
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:46:48
EID:8abc 22426dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42a48
* On 21-01-97 at 17:15, AL SCHROEDER wrote to GEORGE MOOTH,
on the topic of "Becke, slave to satan" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> GM> BTW, what is the answer to my question. Whne will you choose to
be
AS> GM> free and not a slave to satan?
AS> George, I'm a believer. I've been terminally bored with what you have
AS> spammed us with over the years, but I AM a believer. And I have a question
AS> for you.
AS> Do you think such an approach will win ANYONE, much less an unbeliever,
AS> to your side? Whether you think it is the truth or not, from Becke's
point
AS> of view, who believes in neither God nor Satan, your question is as
silly
AS> as her asking you when you will stop being a slave to Loki? Nor is
it
AS> couched in such a way that would encourage her to come to you...especially
AS> since she has a history of abuse and neglect by the church she was
brought
AS> up in?
You're false Loki scum, Al... That's it :)
Rod "...ping!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: Chris Green
|Date: 02 Feb 97 14:06:50
EID:c10e 224270c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42efa
* On 20-01-97 at 14:03, CHRIS GREEN wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Chris Green" in echo Holysmoke:
[Maureen wrote:]
CG> They are going to knock out all of the trigeminal (sp?) nerve and remove
CG> one of a series of growths from his brain, the others cannot be worked
CG> on.
CG> He will have to learn how to use the right side of his head, the eye,
CG> eyelid, mouth, tongue, chewing, moving the neck, moving the shoulder.
CG> There will be a large hole in the roof of his mouth. There will be
CG> damage to his eyes.
CG> Having read the rubbish in this packet, I suggest you talk about the
CG> right of the individual to choose when they want to die, and the
CG> available ways of doing so.
I am a 100% supporter of any person's right to end their life in
whatever humane manner they should choose.
The Northern Territory of Australia currently has a right-to-die
act for terminal or suffering patients. The method by which one
seeks to end their life is to receive the approval of three
medical practitioners. One must be a recognised psychologist to
assess the mental composure and desire of the person wishing to
end their life. Another must be a recognised specialist
medical practitioner who is an expert in the field of treatment
of the ailness.
If there are all three signatures present, the patient can choose
to exercise the choice to die at any time.
There have now been three people who have ended their life under
the Northern Territory Right to Die laws.
And this is the reason I support the right to die being allowed.
It is not an automatic right to terminate life, it is regulated.
It is *strictly* regulated so that it can only be achieved for
compassionate grounds of terminally ill patients suffering daily
miserable conditions.
I support the right-to-die for terminally ill patients because
they should have the choice to end their pain in a dignified
manner.
Currently most nations and states on Earth compel patients to
endure months or years of torturing pain rather than respect the
rights of these patients.
And the majority of the reasons why most don't respect the right
to die is because of sanctimonious religious belief systems.
Rod "...compassion costs nothing" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * That tagline is *true* ---> <--- That tagline is *false*
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 02 Feb 97 14:27:52
EID:0844 22427360
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f433e8
* On 21-01-97 at 19:44, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> DC> Satan, unlike your god, never lies in the bible. It's your god
JF> DC> that is the two-faced liar.
JF> Let me guess, you suffered some deep psychological trauma
JF> when your were a kid. That's the only reason you'd attack
JF> people for no good reason other than to sound high and
JF> mighty.
I like this, Jonathan. You Christian-hypocritical-types like to
claim this "traumatic" background of everyone different to you.
It's used against different people, people who rebel from your
religion, people who are non-Christian yet religious, people who
are Christian yet have differing doctrinal views, etc, etc, etc.
Have you ever considered that the truth is that we've actually
never had any traumatic experiences, and it is the Christians
that have? I note that virtually every Christian I have met has
had some form of tyrannical abuse against them, or tortuous
childhood, or mental abuse from a spouse... and have been
weakened and worn down and lost all hope.
Rod "...of course you've not considered it" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Arachnohomophobia: Fear of gay spiders
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 02 Feb 97 15:30:54
EID:0844 22427bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f442ae
* On 21-01-97 at 19:48, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> JF> Finally, you say something right.
JF> DC> Gee, I'm so "honored" by your approval that I could just shit.
JF> DC> To bad you still intend on interfering with the girl's choice.
JF> Now would you please stop using crude, immature language here!?
Fuck off, dear, that's a good boy :)
JF> I read that previous message about swearing, and quite frankly you
JF> seem to be the worst excuse for a human being there is.
Judge not, lest you be judged, fuckwit.
JF> You seem to yell at people for no other reason than to keep
JF> an over-inflated ego, and most of what you shout isn't even
JF> true or proveable. I wouldn't let any children near you...
JF> you'd scare them off!
I wouldn't let any children near you, save that they be infected
with your mental disorder of religion.
JF> Advising isn't necessarily "interference." If I advise a
JF> woman not to go through with an abortion, that doesn't mean
JF> I'm insisting. If she went through with it anyways, I
JF> would leave her be.
Actually, it is interference unless your opinion is asked.
interfere: 1. to interpose, especially meddlesomely or unwarrant-
edly; intervene
2. to come between or in opposition; hinder; obstruct
The unasked and meddlesome advice into the affairs of another is
interference. If you don't like the definition, change the
dictionary :)
JF> DC> The girl has a right to the facts of the matter. Not the rhetoric
JF> DC> from "Pro-life", but of the actual facts. She can then make a
JF> DC> proper decision.
JF> The facts involve opinions from BOTH sides, not yours
JF> only nor mine only. A woman has the right to make her own
JF> choice, but she should remember what she's giving up with
JF> either choice.
So she has the right to make a decision, but has no right to
choose to seek information or not?
Rod "...your compulsory interference in the lives of others is so
typically Christian. :(" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:50:00
EID:0844 22433e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52828
* On 22-01-97 at 21:26, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> DC> Let me state: You are a fundy fool and revel in the shit you
JF> DC> strew.
JF> By the way, you know how you said changing peoples' words
JF> can get you kicked out of this forum? Well excessive (and
JF> very pointless) profanity is another.
Are you so sure? I thought impersonating a moderator would be
much more severe... :)
And you are wrong, anyway:
===========================================================================
BBS: The Perth Omen
Date: 22-01-97 (19:38) Number: 2550
From: STYX ALLUM Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Conference Guidelines Conf: (16) Holysmoke
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Re: HOLYSMOKE Echo Guidelines
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[...snip...]
Rules to Follow:
[1] Please refrain from attempting to force your ideas on others,
or to be deliberately disruptive in the echo.
Those who engage in such activity may find their feed to this
echo terminated.
[2] As is customary in echomail, private messages are not allowed.
[3] If you wish to post messages on this echo please try to keep
your comments and ideas on a rational level. This will help
to facilitate an open and free flowing dialogue.
Please refrain from entering statements like:
"I know I'm right and everyone who thinks otherwise is stupid!"
or
"You're gonna burn in hell if you don't accept god."
Such messages only serve to irritate others, and do little
more than to raise the noise level of the echo.
[4] Attempt to quote only relevant text, in order to make your
messages more legible, and to lessen the burden on those
who pay to move each byte posted in this conference.
[5] Deliberate censorship of wording contained within a quote
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Nothing in there about the use of profanity, as far as I can see.
I'm sure that Styx will inform you if you are correct or not. I
would not presume to speak for him.
JF> JF> How is non-religiousness better? Non-religiousness only promotes
JF> DC> When was the last time someone was murdered at a abortion clinic
JF> DC> by an atheist?
JF> As I keep saying (and you keep ignoring), those are the
JF> fanatics that let their personal emotions override the
JF> actual teachings they claim to adhere to.
Your bible teaches, in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, to kill gay
people and that their deaths shall not be your responsibility.
Have you allowed your personal emotions to override that
teaching that you claim to adhere to?
When was the last time you killed a fag for Jesus (Lev 20:13),
Molech worshippers (Lev 20:2), people who curse their parents
(Lev 20:9), adulterers with another's wife (Lev 20:10) or with
the wife of the person's father (Lev 20:11) or a daughter-in-law
(Lev 20:12), marrying a woman and her mother (Lev 20:14),
bestialists (Lev 20:15 and 20:16 and don't forget to kill the
animal)...
Then again, when was the last time you ran someone out of town
for having sexual relations with their wife while she was having
her period? (Lev 20:18)
Or have you dispensed with such things because "you let your
personal emotions override the actual teachings" that you claim
to adhere to?
JF> Atheists have it "easy," so to speak; they have no beliefs,
JF> and so no reason to get worked up.
Actually, we have ethics which don't require any *invisible*
means of support, i.e. greater beings to spank us.
JF> DC> What, that your religion is a bigotted piece of shit? The
JF> DC> evidence for that would be in front of your face if you
JF> DC> ever got your head out of your ass.
JF> Bigoted!? AS I KEEP SAYING, the fanatics, not the
JF> religion, are intolerant.
See above. I have proven your religion intolerant. The fact
that you show tolerance is *un*Christian of you. You should
learn to be more hateful like your bible not only commands, but
expects.
JF> Who's calling who the bigot? You're the one who is
JF> totally intolerant of Christianity and religion in general.
Nice fundie shuffle. Do you do the fundie tango and two-step too?
JF> DC> Yep, a Christian.
JF> Christianity does not equal evil. If it did, then every
JF> non-Christian on this planet would be dead or converted!
No. Christianity does equal evil. It does, because every
non-Christian on this planet *is* being subjected to persecution
by Christians.
Or do you deny that Christianity is being used to destroy
cultures and other religions in the developing world?
Rod "...Christianity should be eliminated, now!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: grrr
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:24:02
EID:59e7 22433b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52212
* On 21-01-97 at 21:46, ED MILLS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "grrr" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> 19 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Rod Swift to Ed Mills:
EM> EM> I hurried myself to the local Dumbshit Redneck Accoutrement
EM> EM> Shoppe, where I procured the medium-sized chrome-plated-naked-
EM> EM> centerfold silhouette. Attached upside-down over the fish
EM> EM> silhouette, it irritated practically everyone who pulled
up
EM> EM> behind me in the incredibly cerebral town of Roseburg.
EM> RS> You should have ordered one of those metallic Darwin Fish ... the
EM> RS> fish with legs. Optional words include "DARWIN" inside the fish.
EM> We got 'em here. Also have some stickers which have the international
EM> circle-slash superimposed on the xtian fish.
EM> And the thumpers responded with a bumpersticker which depicts an
even
EM> larger holy fish eating the Darwin fish. Gonna be pretty hard to
EM> respond to that. Their irrationality is a great tactical advantage.
EM> Calvinball!
No... Then you need the SCIENCE SHARK :)
Rod "...praise Jesus.... *chomp" Swift :)
EM> --- PPoint 2.00
EM> * Origin: St. Vitus's Dance Studio (1:105/24.12)
* OLX 2.1 TD * First rule of intelligent tinkering: Save all the parts
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Hard up Hardy
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:26:04
EID:2871 22433b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5228c
* On 22-01-97 at 19:47, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Hard up Hardy" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> RS> Oh, do you have to? :( It'd be so much easier if you didn't...
:)
AS> But...but...that's not what you said last NIGHT! (sniff!)
Yes it was.
AS> AS> And I bowl with my right hand, for instance.
AS> RS> You leaner either way, you :)
AS> Just call me...dramatic pause...versitile.
Versatile is being top or bottom, not a player for both teams.
AS> AS> You have to take Jim with a grain of salt. He is not
AS> AS> quite as reactionary as you might think.
AS> RS> I've been able to get some quite nasty reactions out of him. I
AS> RS> don't know why. Maybe it's because he has some sort of
AS> RS> deep-seated desire...
AS> He's a grandfather. If he's repressed, it seems to be pretty far...
I fear for any male children he may have, then :)
Rod "...no further comment" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Could crop circles be the work of a cereal killer?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Satanism
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:27:06
EID:b433 22433b60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f522ca
* On 22-01-97 at 21:45, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Satanism" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> AS> Never. I've heard it's good, but I've never gotten
AS> AS> AS> around to watching Red Dwarf.
AS> AS> RS> That's because you've probably got lost near Nodnol. My fave
AS> AS> RS> episode was "Srdawkcab"
AS> AS> Thanks for the recommendation!
AS> RS> You are welcome.
AS> What's your favorite B5 episode?
Believers. Nothing like having a doctor usurp and destroy the
religion of a young child for the sake of his own religion.
Rod "...but I guess it parallels the Christian faith so" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: U don't push a women
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:30:08
EID:1356 22433bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52380
* On 22-01-97 at 22:04, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "U don't push a women" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> Yeah? Rod, let me know the URL and I'll link it to my
AS> AS> website. And did you
AS> AS> know there is now a HolySmoke Web Ring?
AS> RS> Please don't for now :)
AS> Snob. It's because I'm a breeder, isn't it! Isn't it?? Tell the
AS> truth....(Just kidding...)
Actually, that is the prime reason. Not kidding. I do not wish
to have my page associated with you.
AS> RS> No, this is my real name. Any person finding anything out of the
AS> RS> conjunction of the two names has a "sick" mind.
AS> That's me.
And this is a secondary reason I do not wish to have my page
associated with you.
AS> AS> No offense meant (especially if that IS your real name). And
I still
AS> AS> want the URL...and drop by mine and tell me what you think!
AS> RS> It is my real name, and yes, I do take offense. :)
AS> Well, the best defense is a good offense....
And this is a tertiary reason I do not wish to have my page
associated with you.
If I do find that you remain linked, I will change the URL, and
remove all references to my surname, hence making an Altavista
search impossible. Not kidding.
Rod "...I don't forgive, remember?" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Found God? What, have you lost him *again*?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:32:10
EID:20c9 22433c00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f523fa
* On 22-01-97 at 15:27, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> Moderator: GAY_FAITH
Interesting. Tell me more. Is that a gay Holysmoke? :)
Rod "...hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Save the whales. Collect the whole set!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:33:12
EID:20c9 22433c20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52438
* On 22-01-97 at 15:37, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> GM>> A BAD PRAYER THAT'S GOOD
JB> GM>> IN PRAYER, GOD HEARS MORE THAN WORDS -
JB> GM>> HE LISTENS TO YOUR HEART.
JB> ...What I can't understand in all of this Christian nonsense is this:
it is
JB> claimed that God is omnipotent; that he knows all, sees all. Then what
is t
JB> purpose of prayer other than to accentuate one's selfishness?
To accentuate one's selfish desire for a God to perform like a
seal at a zoo, and to reinforce the delusion that something might
come true.
Rod "...and hence bolster a faith that is based on a lie" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * REALITY.SYS corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Christian's secret weakn
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:36:14
EID:8f9f 22433c80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f524ee
* On 23-01-97 at 13:47, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Christian's secret weakn" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 19 Jan 97 13:16:12, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> RS> * On 15-12-96 at 09:26, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
DC> ..... ^^
DC> I see you are getting a bit closer to being current. You are
DC> only about a month behind.
But the good thing about catching up that 3 month-backlog over
about 2 months is the fact that I selectively scanned packets,
rather than reading and replying to damn near every message like
Al B does...
Be fearful if Al B ever gets behind in reading Fight-O-Net :)
We'd be able to have an upload of thousands of replies, each at
least 20 paragraphs long :)
Rod "....arrgggghh!!!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Famous graffitti: Please don't write on the -- oops!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Creationists on trial!
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:37:16
EID:1923 22433ca0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5252c
* On 23-01-97 at 13:49, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Creationists on trial!" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 17 Jan 97 06:49:00, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> DC> RS> A BIZARRE courtroom battle over whether God or evolution
DC> DC> RS> was responsible for human beings will be played out in
DC> RS> I'll try and find a verdict in the case if it is online. It
DC> RS> happened in New South Wales, so there may be an online copy of
it
DC> Any news on the trial yet?
No. But I'll keep an ear to the ground. Might have to find some
email addresses (I think Plimer has one) and write to them :)
Rod "...heheheeh" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Velcronomicon: A magick book that sticks with you
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lee Woofenden
|Sub: Why don't we see God[sic
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:41:18
EID:6f02 22433d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5261e
* On 22-01-97 at 10:30, LEE WOOFENDEN wrote to JAN DEBOER,
on the topic of "Why don't we see God[sic]" in echo Holysmoke:
LW> And in the very same chapter:
LW> Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory."
Cor!!!
Moses likes the gutted Ewok! :) :)
Rod "...Bing!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: .
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:41:20
EID:1b6c 22433d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52620
* On 22-01-97 at 08:01, AL SCHROEDER wrote to LYNDA BUSTILLOZ,
on the topic of "." in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> When it comes to pies, I prefer lemon meringue anyway...
AS> LB> A real Sourpuss, eh? ;)
AS> Also, last I heard, there were no lemon-flavored laxatives, which seems
to
AS> be one of the main ingredients of the chocolate pie proferred by the
AS> Triple Goddess of #irc...
Don't you mean:
"...last I tasted"?
Rod "...here, have some pie, Al" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:54:22
EID:f3fc 22433ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5292e
* On 22-01-97 at 01:58, PATRIOT wrote to DAVID WORRELL,
on the topic of "Cracker Barrel boycott" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> DW> 19 Jan 97 13:22, Patriot wrote to Fredric Rice:
PA> P> Besides, it isn't as if Christians are the only ones against
PA> P> homosexuality..
PA> DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones
PA> DW> against Jews, either, right?
PA> Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good imagination
PA> to come up with an analogy like that.. There is a bit of a
PA> difference between Christians and Nazis,
... both are Christian...
PA> ... as well as between gays and Jews.
... both are persecuted by Christians of some sort ...
I cannot see why you complain about the analogy of Nazis
persecuting Jews, to Christians persecuting gay people.
In fact, have you seen most of the propaganda that is put out
about gay people by Christians? The myths that gays "recruit"
and "want your children" and are "well-off" are not so dissimilar
to the myths perpetrated to stir up hatred of Jews.
And the fact that Christians are willing to lie so that they can
dehumanise gay people and cause false witness -- well -- that's
obvious. The Christian nazis did that of Jews.
Rod "...it is analogous" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Never attribute to malice that which stupidity explains
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:59:24
EID:07e0 22433f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52a5c
* On 22-01-97 at 17:06, PATRIOT wrote to JAN DEBOER,
on the topic of "Exemplifying examples" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> I have no problem with MINORITIEs. WHy be against someone
PA> for the color of their skin or anything else visible that
PA> they cannot change?
A good question. Why are you against gay people?
Meanwhile, people of religion choose their religion. Christians
can choose not to be Christian. Are you saying they deserve no
equality in civil rights protections because religion is a choice?
Are you going to amend the constitution to remove the protection
against religious discrimination and freedom of religion?
PA> That is one big difference right there, while I can almost
PA> hear you already, gays chose to be that way.. Blacks, Jews,
PA> etc., did not.
You are wrong. Since I can offer you further information for
your educative wellbeing, I do:
___------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Psychology and You: Answers to Your Questions About
Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"
By: The American Psychological Association
[This pamphlet is available from APA, 750 First St NE, Washington
DC 20002-4242, phone 202-336-5700]
Q: Is sexual orientation a choice?
A: No. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early
adolescence without any prior sexual experience. And some
people report trying very hard over many years to change
their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with
no success. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider
sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be
voluntarily changed.
___------------------------------------------------------------------
Rod "...there, you have been corrected by science, have a nice
day" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Can I put my Sharp in your mainframe on the desktop?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: kablooey
|Date: 03 Feb 97 08:08:26
EID:08bb 22434100
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52c7a
* On 23-01-97 at 13:22, ED MILLS wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "kablooey" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> I vaguely remember it being Mt. Mazama, (the precursor to Crater
EM> Lake) but I'm not sure... maybe it was Krakatoa? Anyone know fer
EM> sure?
Krakatoa's eruption in 1883 was the largest ever recorded. The whole
island went kaboom. :) You can read about it in most general
references. Eruptions in the area have caused Anau Krakatoa to
form -- a new island.
Rod "...kerboom for Jesus!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: He's right, dear.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:06:00
EID:c60c 224558c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f918
* On 22-01-97 at 13:00, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "He's right, dear." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Hi, Fred. How's it going? A bit insecure? You have to bash a poor
---------------------------------------
JS> JS> Christian to get your day going? Let me tell you this: After a hard
week
--------------------------------
JS> JS> of deadlines and working 4 jobs, PRAISE GOD! HE IS GOOD! Life is
good.
JS> JS> Have a good week.
JS> RS> I like you Jim. Whenever we think you've been pacified, you come
JS> RS> out with the darnedest of hateful lines.
JS> RS> Did you have Christian guiding in the posting of this attack on
JS> RS> Fredric? Hmmm?
JS> What in the above was 'hateful'?
See the underlined section.
JS> Where did I 'attack' him?
See the underlined section.
You never answered the question about whether that "loving
Christian spirit" was guiding you when you wrote and posted your
hateful diatribe, Jim.
Rod "...BTW, the sad puppy act doesn't work on me" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Irc Log Fun! 1/
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:07:02
EID:4c27 224558e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f956
* On 22-01-97 at 13:07, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Irc Log Fun!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> FR> #1 Admit your a homophobic bigot
JS> JS> I am not.
JS> RS> Oh yes you are Jimbot! :) Of course, I was faking being Laurie
JS> RS> Appleton to you, but this was riotously funny:
JS> RS> IRC log started Sat Dec 28 12:26
JS> RS> *** SnoopDD (~YoMomma@ip10.grand-rapids.mi.pub-ip.psi.net) has
joined
JS> RS> channel #h > Jim?
JS> RS> > oh, you're back
JS>
JS> Yeah...I'm still laughing. So what was your point?
The point was made above by Fred, and now proven.
Rod "...and the fact you are gullible :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: Name alternatives to eternal nothingness
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:08:04
EID:3b03 22455900
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f994
* On 22-01-97 at 13:08, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> Because Christians can't convert anything but poor, feeble,
JS> JS> RS> worndown humans who are in need of *something* to give them
hope.
JS> JS> RS> Try converting me, kiddy!
JS> JS> Sure. Where do you want to start? And would you like to be converted
to?
JS> RS> You may start your futile conversion attempt anywhere you
JS> RS> damn well like :)
JS> Yeah, I realize any conversation with you is futile, as you do not take
JS> anything in a serious manner...
Oh, so that's why Christians don't attempt to convert people like
me??? Because they are too chicken??? :) Afraid their theology
will be dismantled by me???
Rod "....bwaaaark! cluck-cluck-cluck!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * At least I never misplaced the Deltivid asteroid belt - Q
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:19:06
EID:3b03 22455a60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fc2a
* On 22-01-97 at 13:11, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (17 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> JS> JS> Truely the greatest country to ever exist under the
JS> JS> JS> sun does not have an
JS> JS> JS> oppressive system of government.
JS> JS> RS> So gay people are equal in the US, eh?
JS> JS> By Jim Staal they are...
JS> RS> That did not answer the question. You stated the US has no
JS> RS> oppressive government regimes. I asked you if there was
JS> RS> oppression against gays *by* the government.
JS> No you didn't. Read your post again.
No, I asked you if gay people *are* equal under the law in the US.
You answered the question "are gay people equal to Jim Staal?".
You dodged the hard question by answering a completely different
question. How disingenuous of you, Jim. :)
JS> RS> You gave a personal, not governmental, answer.
JS> RS> Please try again.
JS> I am not the government.
But you claimed that the United States is "truely the greatest
country to ever exist under the sun" and "does not have an
oppressive system of government".
I get it. You claim to be able to speak for the government when
citing moronic rhetoric about freedoms, though when challenged,
you claim you *aren't* the government and don't have any
authority to speak on the matter.
Let's run that past you again... If its praise for the
government you speak for it. If its condemnation for the
government you can't speak for it.
Sounds like propaganda to me :)
propaganda (n) 1. the organised dissemination of
information, allegations, etc, to either
ASSIST or DAMAGE the cause of a government,
movement, etc.
2. such information, material, etc.
JS> JS> RS> So black people are treated equally in the US?
JS> JS> By Jim Staal they are. Why are you putting this on me?
JS> RS> I'm actually not asking you, Jim, as stated above. I'm asking
JS> RS> you to provide governmental examples of inequality.
JS> I know of none.
You know of no black people treated equally in the US? Wow!
What an admission! :)
JS> JS> RS> If the US is so great, why can't it provide for it's sick and
JS> JS> RS> poor and homeless?
JS> JS> Most of the homeless are that way because they want it that way.
JS> RS> -----------------------------
JS> RS> You've been watching B5 again and swallowing the Ministry of
JS> RS> Peace's Bullshit, eh?
JS> Sorry, in the USA we do not have a propaganist, government controlled
JS> press, so I have no knowledge of what you speak.
No. The propaganda is being perpetrated by people like you, Jim. :)
You really should stop living as Alice in Wonderland, Jimbo.
JS> JS> RS> Rod "Ask my partner if the US is the best nation on this earth.
JS> JS> RS> He will tell you otherwise." Swift
JS> JS> What does he know? Is he sleeping with Herr Doktor Marty Leipzig?
JS> RS> I've never made any statements of infidelity about your wife.
JS> RS> Why do you make an ad hominem attack on my husband?
JS> Hmmm...isn't this alleged 'husband' living in the USA? Show me the
JS> certificate of marriage.
I never used the word husband. I used partner. However, you
never answered why it is "Christian"(tm) for you to make claims
which stink of false witness about my partner with a clearly
unevidenced attack on our relationship's fidelity.
It must be all that fluoride in the water, eh Jim?
JS> RS> Rod "...is it because you're a slimy, lying Christian after all
JS> RS> -- and that you do treat gays discriminately?" Swift :)
JS> You really like to make these totally ignorant accusations, don't you...
Actually, it was a question. You could have answered, simply,
"no". Or you could have probably been more truthful and answered
with a simple "yes". :) :)
Rod "...but is it because you're a slimy, lying, *false
witnessing Christian after all?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Was that my hard drive, or are you torturing a cat?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:28:08
EID:ed89 22455b80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fe48
* On 22-01-97 at 13:14, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> I was in Dallas, the morning that the Murrah building went
in
JS> JS> RS> OKC. I remember the hysteria, the footage live on NBC, on
CBS,
JS> JS> RS> on ABC.
JS> JS> Yeah...I was in Muskegon, Michigan. Big deal and so what?
JS> RS> So you support domestic Christian terrorism?
JS> I know of none.
So the Oklahoma Bombing was not domestic Christian terrorism?
Do you know the meaning of the words "domestic Christian
terrorism"? Here's a pointer. Domestic means "carried out
inside the US-borders by people who reside in the US". Christian
means "people who claim to ascribe to the Christian faith and/or
pronounce that they have performed an act for the Christian faith
or deity-construct". Terrorism can be defined as "an act of
terrorising or systematic use of violence and intimidation to
achieve some goal or political change by means of terror".
Restating the question, do you think that the Oklahoma bombing
was "an act used to cause terror by a US resident towards a
US-based target, the resident acting due to their religious
convictions?"
JS> JS> RS> Real national patriots don't do domestic terrorism. How does
an
JS> JS> RS> egalitarian right-wing gun nut say "I killed your
JS> JS> RS> husband/wife/kid for patriotic reasons?"
JS> JS> RS> I also remember Paul Hill and John Salvi, doctor-murderers.
JS> JS> Salvi is dead. Shut up.
JS> RS> Hill isn't yet... Such a shame. Do you support domestic
JS> RS> Christian terrorism?
JS> I know of none.
So abortion clinic murders is not domestic Christian terrorism?
Were John Salvi and Paul Hill "US residents, targetting US-based
targets, acting to cause terror, in the name of their religion?"
See above for definitions, if you are too dumb to string a
sentence together or fail to understand the question! :)
JS> JS> RS> Christianity is love and tolerance, as long as you are a
JS> JS> RS> Christian.
JS> JS> LIAR!
Oooh... Such a negative response. Must be an engram :) :)
JS> RS> Bullshit, Jimson. The whole POINT of Christianity is to DESTROY
JS> RS> that which is NOT JUST LIKE YOU.
JS> RS> Convert or Kill, it's not only Christianity's guiding principle,
JS> RS> but it's also CHRISTIAN LAW of the BIBLE!
JS> Show me where Christ commanded this?
Christ commanding it <> It being God's word.
You find it in your bible, you bible parrot! :)
JS> JS> Screw commies, treehuggers, bleeding heart liberal, feminazis and
send
JS> JS> the illegals back where they came from.
JS> RS> Ah. So you believe in the principle of governmental-mandated
JS> RS> inequality and division among US citizens?
JS> I know of none.
You were the one who proposed governmental screwing of "commies,
treehuggers, bleeding-heart liberal, feminazis" and "illegals".
Rod "... you emulate your saviour's behaviour so well, Jim.
Honestly.... NOT!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Anti-women, anti-gay -- born again bigot, go away!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:30:10
EID:ed89 22455bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fec2
* On 22-01-97 at 13:16, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> I bet you that Jim is the type of Republican't who supports
the
JS> JS> RS> selling of those bumper stickers that were sold earlier this
year
JS> JS> RS> in Arizona and Texas (among other places) which proudly proclaim:
JS> JS> RS> "AIDS: God's way of turning fruits into vegetables"
JS> JS> RS> Such loving sentiment from the party that's "the big tent".
JS> JS> No. You are in error.
JS> RS> I am *not* in error. This activity *did* occur. Those stickers
JS> RS> have even been criticised by major Republican players in AZ (like
JS> RS> Barry Goldwater).
JS> And also by little ones like Jim Staal
Jim Staal condemns and criticises something that he claims only
one post prior that never existed :) :)
Rod "... too bad he hasn't oiled his bike-chain of late, I could
hear the frantic back-pedalling a mile away..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: wisdom
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:34:12
EID:7cd0 22455c40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7ffb4
* On 22-01-97 at 13:18, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "wisdom" in echo Holysmoke:
[about what should happen to gay people...]
JS> JS> RS> Tortured?
JS> JS> A little...if they like it. ;)
JS> RS> We know you like it :)
JS> A little pain can be nice...
I know. It's why you keep coming back for more, Jim. It's all
that homoeroticism that turns you on :) ever since you watched
Pulp Fiction... :)
JS> JS> RS> Killed?
JS> JS> Wha for?
JS> JS> RS> Anything else reprehensible that you'd like to do to other
humans
JS> JS> RS> who aren't of the same sexuality as you are?
JS> JS> Treat them as humans?
JS> RS> But your bible doesn't say that, Jimson. It says to kill them,
JS> RS> and further, the putting of them to death is a punishment and
JS> RS> their blood shall be upon them.
JS> RS> So... When are you going to start acting like a True Christian
JS> RS> (tm) and execute some gay people?
JS> (Mat 13:24 NIV) Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven
JS> is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
JS> (Mat 13:25 NIV) But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and
JS> sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
JS> (Mat 13:26 NIV) When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the
JS> weeds also appeared.
JS> (Mat 13:27 NIV) "The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir,
JS> didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come
JS> from?'
JS> (Mat 13:28 NIV) "'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked
JS> him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
JS> (Mat 13:29 NIV) "'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling
the
JS> weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
JS> (Mat 13:30 NIV) Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time
JS> I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in
JS> bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"
JS> It is obvious from Christ's parable above that that isn't my job.
So you are saying the word of God is erred? The word of God in
your bible clearly says:
LEV 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with another
man, they have both done a disgusting thing,
and both shall be put to death. THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DEATH.
The bible clearly says Christians should kill gay people, and do
so without any guilt or remorse or adverse judgement in God's
eyes. How do you explain your biblical contradiction, or do you
now fully admit you are applying Matthew 13 incorrectly to the
situation?
Rod "... or are you just an ignorant shmuck?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lies...
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:41:14
EID:d863 22455d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8015a
* On 22-01-97 at 13:22, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lies..." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> JS> You just don't get it, do you, Ceppa? Christ _satisfied_ all
the
JS> JS> JS> demands of the law. He took care of it.
JS> JS> RS> So it was a bug fix?
JS> JS> No, it was God's plan.
JS> RS> But it was God's plan to get it right the first time. Don't you
JS> RS> read your bible? I still contend it was a "bug fix".
JS> He did. Have you never read the Bible? And yet you criticize it?
God didn't get the bible right, hence the bug fix.
Yes, I have read your mythbook.
Yes, I criticise it's hypnotic effect over the delusional and the
despaired.
JS> JS> RS> How does this fare in contradiction to the bible's claim that
JS> JS> RS> "God never changes" nor his laws?
JS> JS> He never changes. Nor do his laws.
JS> RS> I note that God always changes -- there's a different version of
JS> RS> him in every Christian I meet. Normally a different version
JS> RS> based on what sins they are practicing, and their denial of that
JS> RS> sin.
JS> Interesting point...
One that you can't answer, can you? If God is all-powerful, he'd
have written a book that would be unable to be read in so many
ways to hence create so many deity-constructs by so many
different people.
JS> RS> So you do admit that the laws of Leviticus have not been removed
JS> RS> from operation, now? You were stating how they had been replaced
JS> Fulfilled.
Replaced. It was a bug fix. You claim so in the previous
message. Jesus, you claim, in Mat 13 has overriden many clearly
and strictly condemnatory clauses of the Old Law in Lev 20.
In fact, you have claimed that Matthew 13 allows you to DEFY your
God's commandment in Leviticus 20! Sounds like a bug-fix to me!
JS> RS> -- which I find contradictory to your statement that his laws do
JS> RS> *NOT* change. You've stated that they do change also.
JS> They don't.
But you have given a claim yourself that there has been a law
change -- a supercedence -- in the post prior to this one. Are
you now claiming that there has been no supercedence?
JS> JS> RS> Or is this an incovenience to your obvious breaking of Levitical
JS> JS> RS> law that you put down to being as "unimportant"?
JS> JS> Not at all.
JS> RS> So you're a salad-bar Christian? A "choose-your-own-salvation"
JS> RS> Christian?
JS> Not at all.
You are using Matthew 13 in the post immediately prior to this
one to "pick-and-choose" not to follow the strict commandment to
put people to death as commanded in Leviticus 20.
You have chosen not to follow Leviticus 20. You twist scripture
to suit your "pick-and-choose" Christianity. Your God hates such
manipulation of his word, does he not?
Are you one of the false prophets who would claim to represent
him, but actually do not?
You need salvation from Satan, Jim, who guides you. :)
JS> RS> Rod "...tell us, Jim, what bits of the bible don't you believe
in
JS> RS> because they are *inconvenient*..." Swift :)
JS> I believe every word in the Bible to be the true, inspired Word of
God.
Except the bits that you don't like, which you conveeeeeniently
pick-and-choose from, eh?
Rod "...or are you going to carry out the commandment in
Leviticus 20 to kill?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:42:16
EID:0ebe 22455d40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80198
* On 22-01-97 at 13:29, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shant Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (17 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to David Rice...
JS> RS> I've never sinned either, David. Sin only comes if you believe
JS> RS> in the concept, which I'm sure you and I do not. :)
JS> Continue to delude yourself, Rod. The Truth will out.
Please provide evidence of these "sins" that you claim. Note, to
construct "sin" you must construct the deity-construct and prove
the deity-construct is the one true deity-construct and that the
deity-construct is completely proven...
Rod "...I know you will not be able to achieve this, because you
are a puny and weak human..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death is life's answer to the question "Why?"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal wants to know.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:44:18
EID:c082 22455d80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80212
* On 22-01-97 at 13:31, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Staal wants to know." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> MG> Does anyone outside of Jim Staal actually believe that
JS> MG> Leipzig set his dog on a the pizza delivery boy just to get
JS> MG> out of paying for the things?
JS> RS> No. I don't.
JS> Why not? You believe every lie Satan puts in your mind...
---------------------------------
Wow! Look everyone. George Mooth's mental disease has spread.
Now Jim is saying everyone and everything is Say-tan-hic! :)
Rod "...ahahahahahah. It's the last refuge of those who are
losing the grounding of their faith -- that Satan is stealing
everyone and everything from around them!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then GET ONE and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MINE!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Mario Gonzalez
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:46:20
EID:5bc0 22455dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8028c
* On 24-01-97 at 03:36, MARIO GONZALEZ wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
MG> RS> It may take some getting used to, but Kleberg County
MG> RS> commissioners have thrown their support behind a local man's
MG> RS> campaign to take the "hell" out of hello.
MG> RS> "I feel we have made history here in Kleberg County and set
MG> RS> a new precedent," he said.
MG> RS> The judge said he was not yet accustomed to the new
MG> RS> greeting, but that he was trying, awkwardly, to use it.
MG> RS> "Heaven-o, sir. Adios," he said at the end of the interview.
MG> Why stop here, let's see:
MG> Heaven-copter
MG> Heaven-n instead of hellen
MG> Heaven-met for soldier's heads
MG> Heaven-p if you need assistance
MG> Heaven-ium to inflate baloons.
MG> Christians are a riot!;)
Yes. Their mental deficiencies are so fun to watch. Even more
funny when they get involved in politics and do obviously stupid
things like this.
I wonder how many people who are Christian are embarrassed by
this buffoon and what he does to the name of Christians :)
Rod "...maybe some Christians around here can tell us how
embarrassed they are because of the damage done to their faith" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dogs crawl under gates, software crawls under Windows
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:57:22
EID:3b21 22455f20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80522
* On 24-01-97 at 23:52, KEN YOUNG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
KY> RS> Are the religious nut-cases getting worse or what??? Maybe we
KY> RS> should pick Kingsville TX as our Holysmoke Convention site, and
KY> RS> have tee-shirts saying "HELL-o" for the con! :)
KY> I agree it is ridiculous, but Leonoso Canales, the guy that
KY> came up with the idea doesn't even claim to be a
KY> Christian.. He has said he isn't all that religious, but is
KY> doing it because churches generally make Hell into such a
KY> negative word.
But HELL and HELLO are two different words. They have different
constructions and word origins.
Or are you saying sHELLs are Satanic too?
KY> RS> he said.
KY> RS> The commissioners gave Canales their support because
KY> RS> "he's a local guy," but their vote "has nothing to do with
KY> This part right here is more ridiclous than even the action
KY> itself, IMO.. You are for something because you think it
KY> is a good idea, not because you like the guy that came up
KY> with the idea, or because he is a local..
KY> RS> anything pious," De La Garza said.
KY> RS> Canales believes his campaign will gain momentum now
KY> RS> that it has the weight of officialdom behind it. He now
plans
KY> RS> to go to Texas Gov. George W. Bush to propose heaven-o
as the
KY> RS> state's official greeting.
KY> I had not heard this part.. True, it is only a resolution,
KY> but I don't like the trend it could start.. Fortunately,
KY> it is so ridiculous, it probably couldn't happen state
KY> wide..
Yeah :) That's the funny thing. Though it is Texas :)
Rod "...if they had such a problem with hello, why don't they opt
for existing greetings like good morning/afternoon/evening" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Without fools there would be no wisdom
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:03:24
EID:1f9c 22456060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8068c
* On 24-01-97 at 20:31, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> RS>KW> SM>Either recognize _at least_ the gay marriages, or
KW> RS>KW> SM>ABANDON THE WHOLE BUSINESS ALTOGETHER.
KW> RS>KW> SM>Relationship regulation is NOT where the State power belongs.
KW> RS>KW> I would rather they abandon the whole business, or at the very
most,
KW> RS>KW> only treat 'marriage' as a form of personal contract.
KW> RS>Uh, the only side of marriage that the government deals with is
KW> RS>the civil contracting thereof. I think you're arguing for the
KW> RS>status-quo :) Of course, the status-quo does not allow such a
KW> RS>civil contract to have members of the same-sex :)
KW> To a certain extent, yes. Where I'm arguing against the status quo
is
KW> int those areas where the assorted forms of religion have influenced
the
KW> legal set up as to exclude variations of that social contract. I don't
KW> see it as the governments business to regulate who or how many I should
KW> contract marriage too unless I should start breaking those contracts.
KW> And then it should be a matter of civil rather than criminal law.
However, the unfortunate thing is that government still regulates
and apportions rights based on marital status.
Since this system is not likely to change, if government does
apprtion rights it should do so fairly and justly.
While I agree with your viewpoint and tend to share it, I also
realise that it is idealistic and can never really be implemented
until the current benefits of marriage are removed from the
exclusive status of being applied to married people, and equalised.
KW> RS>KW> Let the churches make any and all rules for their followers that
they
KW> RS>KW> want--that should have nothing to do with the legal side of it.
KW> RS>This is also the status quo. Remember that marriage is a civil
KW> RS>contract, and weddings are the ceremonial side of things.
KW> And churches should have the right to make any and all rules
KW> concerning the extension of their sacraments, including matrimony.
If a
KW> particular person can't live with the churches rules, they can just
KW> leave that church.
That's right. But it's a tangential problem compared with civil
marriage. Of course, the current religious political extremists
would *like* to meddle the quest for equal marriage rights with
claims like: "But if we allow gay people to civilly marry, they
will demand we perform *weddings* for them."
Of course, as private organisations, they are not compelled to.
But of course, it's got political mileage to claim that they will
be compelled and hence must oppose equality... :)
KW> RS>KW> The trick would be getting Congress to obey laws period.
KW> RS>I had an interesting idea for this, which I'll be posting as
KW> RS>soon as I compose a coherent and interesting post for it :)
KW> RS>That is, a post on how to make Congress start to think about
KW> RS>passing constitutional (rather than self-serving) laws :)
KW> RS>And, of course, saving US taxpayer dollars by not having to
KW> RS>defend actions against constitutional challenges :)
KW> It would be nice, but I don't see this as anything I'll see in my
KW> lifetime.
As long as a grass-roots movement to bring constitutionality of
laws into view -- and of course the benefits by having better,
less-intrusive, and clearly lawful laws -- may be achievable.
Just look how quick the balanced-budget ideology entered the fray
Rod "...it's possible" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The *Constitution* is the Contract with America!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Your mythology!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:05:26
EID:03d1 224560a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80706
* On 24-01-97 at 20:31, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Your mythology!" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> RS>KW> RS>KW> * OLXWin 1.00a * Why don't they have MOUSE flavored catfood?
KW> RS>KW> RS>A quarter-million pensioners can't be wrong -- they don't
like
KW> RS>KW> RS>the taste :)
KW> RS>KW> They prefer fresh grilled rat?
KW> RS>Actually, pensioners prefer dog food to cat food :)
KW> You have data to back that up? ;) Oh, did you see the item in the news
KW> about the Canadian company that was exporting defective catfood
KW> relabeled as tuna for human consumption?
I saw that story, but it's been shown that some pensioners, to
survive, will buy dog and cat food to eat, because it's cheaper.
There is data here in Australia to support the notion, and I can
remember there was a citation of a US study of the homeless.
Rod "...I'll see what I can dig up from the net, which is where I
saw both..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The *Constitution* is the Contract with America!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Hateful Bill Wolf!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:06:28
EID:fddf 224560c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80744
* On 24-01-97 at 09:26, BILL WOLFF wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HATEFUL BILL WOLF!" in echo Holysmoke:
BW> RS> Such a loving display of Christianity.
BW> RS> "By their fruits ye shall know them.
BW> RS> See you in hell!
BW> Okay... last one there brings the ice cold water. >;->
BW> On a more serious note. There isn't a real hell anyway.
Ooooh... You're a CATHOLIC... Purgatory-construct, eh?
Rod "...hehehe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Necrotelecomnicon: Book of dead phone numbers
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:08:30
EID:3eb1 22456100
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f807be
* On 22-01-97 at 13:27, JIM STAAL wrote to LAURIE APPLETON,
on the topic of "Peculiar State of Mind." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift masquerading
as
JS> you and then directing me to a web site showing him smooching on his
JS> boyfriend!?
So you do admit that you were suckered in? :) :)
And no, there were no such pictures at:
http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~rod/chrisrod/
But hey, you were suckered in reeeeeal good :) *slurpslurpslurp*
Sucker! :) :) :) :)
Rod "...if you want to see the smooochey pics, check out
ftp://ftp.omen.com.au/pub/ugly_mugs/ directory" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Famous graffitti: I used to be indecisive; am I sure?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fat People
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:10:32
EID:32c4 22456140
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80838
* On 23-01-97 at 15:15, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "FAT PEOPLE" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> DC>Just what is a "Steingrobe"? Seen his name bandied about here,
KW> DC>but never ran into him on the Echoes.
KW> A "Steingrobe'", also known as a "Steiny", is a hapless, bumbling, but
KW> explosive xtain type fundy. He's known best for taking sudden right
KW> turns in religious hysteria, and getting himself backed into impossibly
KW> prickly corners. At the moment he can't quite make up his mind wither
KW> he wants to play footsies with Rod Swift, or beg Lynda to tie him up
and
KW> paddle his naughty little rump until it's pink and glowing.
Oh, I think it is both, Katherine :) :) I've had run-ins with
him on Usenet Newsfroups. He's so fun! Especially when he turns
into 100% crackpot mode :)
KW> DC>My guess is that he's a ping-pong ball attempting to play on
KW> DC>a tennis court.
KW> Well, for some reason he finds my web page 'frightening'. Yes,
he's
KW> a lightweight.
Oh, I think he makes people think that. Then he plays heavy
until he realises he's made himself look like a fool. Then he
takes a powder.
Rod "... that is, standard right-wing Christian operating
procedure" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Irc Log Fun! 1/
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:11:34
EID:9748 22456160
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80876
* On 25-01-97 at 03:14, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Irc Log Fun!" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 22 Jan 97 08:07:00, Jim Staal got back to Rod Swift
DC> JS> Yeah...I'm still laughing. So what was your point?
DC> The one on top of your head, Jimbo.
Hahahahaha :) To think, Dan, that he actually thought I was
Laurie Appleton, then he believed that Laurie was hencely gay,
and that we had a pic archive! :)
Rod "...someone get a dunce cap for his pointy head!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Yogi Bear was a nudist buddhist
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:12:36
EID:9094 22456180
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f808b4
* On 25-01-97 at 03:26, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Peculiar State of Mind." in echo Holysmoke:
DC> JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift masquerading
DC> JS> as you and then directing me to a web site showing him smooching
on his
DC> JS> boyfriend!?
DC> Must of made you very jealous, Staaled.
It probably gave him a boner. "Oh, wilbuuuurrrrr!"
Rod "...you can lead a horse to a website, but you can't make him
look at the porn" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * He's your God, they're your rules, YOU burn in hell!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Staal wants to know.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:13:38
EID:8eb7 224561a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f808f2
* On 25-01-97 at 03:32, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Staal wants to know." in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 22 Jan 97 08:31:02, Jim Staal got back to Rod Swift
DC> JS> Why not? You believe every lie Satan puts in your mind...
DC> You're lucky, Jimbo. You don't have one of them for Satan
DC> do put anything into.
Ping ping ping ping. Woogy woogy woogy.
STAAL.SYS corrupted, lobotomise? (Y/N)
100000% on the mark, God Dan.
Rod "...you wicked ol' deity you" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:14:40
EID:33f6 224561c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80930
* On 22-01-97 at 13:31, JIM STAAL wrote to ROB BURCHAM,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> AS> JS> yeah, and Jim Staal not only recognizes gays as human, but
even
JS> AS> JS> befriends them. Go figure...
JS> RB> AS>
JS> AS> Good to know.
JS> RB> Hell, I bet he's even had one or two to his house for dinner.
JS> Rob, too bad you didn't have any money on that. I have!
Let me guess, you're related to Dahmer, and you had them over
*for dinner*.
Rod "...am I right?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:15:42
EID:33f6 224561e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8096e
* On 23-01-97 at 18:24, JIM STAAL wrote to AL SCHROEDER,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> AS> JS> yeah, and Jim Staal not only recognizes gays as human, but
even
JS> AS> JS> befriends them. Go figure...
JS> AS> AS>
JS> AS> Good to know.
JS> RB> Hell, I bet he's even had one or two to his house for dinner.
JS> AS> Wouldn't suprise me a bit.
JS> Like I told Rob, if he layed his money down, he'd have won. My neighbor
JS> lady is a flight attendant and I have met and dined with many gay
JS> co-workers of hers and her daughters friends as well in my vast and
JS> opulent Staal estate backyard.
You know, the square foot by the potted plant next to the trailer
home :)
Rod "...it's an easy-upkeep garden, though. Requires very little
attention or weeding :)" Swift :) :0
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Isaiah 53:3 / Luke 13-18
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:21:44
EID:cd9f 224562a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80ad8
* On 24-01-97 at 03:51, DAN CEPPA wrote to LEONARD BERNIER,
on the topic of "Isaiah 53:3 / Luke 13-18" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 19 Jan 97 11:33:00, Leonard Bernier got back to All
DC> LB> PROPHECY: - The Messish will be rejected by His own people.
DC> What's a "Messish", you meshugannah?
---------------
Oy vey, do you think he will understand already?
Rod "...heheehhe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bigots: those who confuse personal tastes with morality
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Total Enlightenment
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:42:46
EID:9ad7 22456540
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80fc6
* On 24-01-97 at 13:28, SALLY SPRINGETT wrote to DON MARTIN,
on the topic of "Total Enlightenment" in echo Holysmoke:
SS> I ran across a snippet in a novel (_Still Life_ by Rick Hanson)
SS> that amused me and I thought might also amuse you:
SS> "Years ago I had come to the conclusion that the quest for
SS> total enlightenment was very time-consuming, and not near as
SS> much fun as having a life. Though I try to keep an open
SS> mind, the only Shirley MacLaine-ish theory I can really
SS> embrace is: If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
I agree, Sally. I've argued with fundamentalists of all
persuasions that while they living their life out of fear of a
deity-construct, they aren't really living at all but wasting
precious life.
Rod "...they never understand, though" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Borg Express -- don't be assimilated without it!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Gawd was wrong?
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:56:54
EID:9a80 22456700
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81316
* On 25-01-97 at 14:23, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Gawd was wrong?" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Fredric Rice <=-
JB> RS> Of course, my underwear has probably more scriptural relevance
JB> RS> than the bullshit they dig up for scriptural "reinterpretation"
JB> RS> and "revision".
JB> It's holeyer?
It's holier, and holeyer :)
Rod "...and what is this sudden interest in my undergarments,
Judith, hmmm??? *wink*" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * As Piglet psychosexually said, "Bounce on me too Tigger!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Lon Mabon
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:01:56
EID:1e6e 22456820
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81444
* On 25-01-97 at 17:05, ED MILLS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lon Mabon" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> SA> YIKES! This is indeed scarey.
EM> SA> The thought that a crazed lunatic from here in my own community
EM> SA> can make news around the globe... sheesh. I'm in Eugene, Oregon.
EM> SA> So's that Lon Mabon critter.
EM> RS> Yes, indeed. I also know that Lon Mabon played hard and fast
EM> RS> with the tax-exemption laws, and has some unpaid liens against
EM> RS> him. The OCA is also responsible for Lively and Abrams -- the
EM> RS> famous holocaust revisionists who claim that the Nazi movement
EM> RS> was created by homosexuals.
EM> Ditto on Styx. I had no idea these guys were being heard clear on the
EM> other side of the fucking planet.
You'd be amazed at the information revolution.
EM> If I had known Scott Lively was going to be so famous I would have
EM> gotten his autograph when I sat next to him on a local "Town Hall"
EM> telecast.
EM> Shit. I think I've got cooties.
I'm really upset that the marriage@abacus.oxy.edu mailing list
(for same-sex marriage rights) is unmoderated. Kevin E Abrams
(Lively's co-author on the book "the Pink Swastika") joined the
list recently and terrorised it.
He's also terrorised the gay-jews list, and probably countless
others.
Rod "...ah, so that's what port 25 does" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:03:58
EID:57e0 22456860
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f814be
* On 26-01-97 at 12:24, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> MG> Witness....Jim Staal "believes" homosexuality to
JS> JS> MG> be a sin. There fore
JS> JS> MG> it is a sin. Jim "believes" in god therefore there is a god.
JS> JS> MG> No evidence. No thought process.
JS> JS> You are wrong on both counts. I see evidence of God every single
day
JS> JS> and I have given it much thought.
JS> RS> And this evidence and data is?
JS> The evidence is seen through the eye of faith:
Evidence is seen through the eyes of independence and
investigation, not faith. You failed.
JS> RS> Rod "...you forgot to show the bit about homosexuality being a
JS> RS> sin" Swift :)
JS> Rod, I'm sure you have seen it before, but I will share a bit of it,
one
JS> sinner to another:
I don't sin, Jim, remember? I can't :) Further, I doubt your
bible was written in English :) :) Find out what arsenkoitai
means :)
JS> (1 Cor 6:9 NIV) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
JS> kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
JS> idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
JS> (1 Cor 6:10 NIV) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
JS> slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
JS> I am also on this list. I admit it.
And unrepentant, no less, you idolatrous, greedy, thieving,
drunkard slanderer! :) :)
Rod "...hehehee" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Time is an illusion of the manufacturers of space
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Bathroom Staal disease
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:05:00
EID:dbc3 224568a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f814fc
* On 26-01-97 at 12:28, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Bathroom Staal disease" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> FR> I think your summation about what motivates his anti-women sentiment
JS> FR> is exactly on target. He is a Promise Keeper. In a Christian forum
JS> FR> he would probably be spouting off about women in the workplace.
JS> JS> That's a laugh! I have supported Diane's fulltime position outside
the
JS> JS> home from the heart for the past 20 years. I also rather enjoy
working
JS> JS> with the women in my department.
JS> RS> Does your wife know about this fidelity? :)
You have edited my quote. I wrote INfidelity above...
STYXXXXX!!! :) :)
JS> Absolutely. I haven't been guilty of infedility for quite some time,
so
JS> she is quite secure in the fact of my fidelity.
Rod "...and you answer the question as if I had written
*in*fidelity... You're guilty, Jim!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If you choke a Smurf, what colour does it turn?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:06:02
EID:e86e 224568c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8153a
* On 26-01-97 at 20:55, DAMIEN WELLMAN wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shant Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
DW> DR> -- Debra Murphree, quoting Jimmy Swaggart,
DW> DR> asking about her nine year old daughter.
DW> DR> (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
DW> RS> I do hope that this quote is accurate :) :) It's a very
DW> RS> interesting one if it is.
DW> Well, get a copy of the July 1988 Penthouse and check it! :)
Why don't you? :) :)
Rod "...I'm just asking someone to verify it, so I can start
quoting it too :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dance is thought mad by those who can't hear the music
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:07:04
EID:e511 224568e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81578
* On 26-01-97 at 06:46, MARTY LEIPZIG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "execute her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
ML> JS> BTW, Me n' the Lovely Wilbur [tm] have been an item for 32 years.
30
ML> JS> within the binds of holy matrimony. She/we love it.
ML> ML> Looks like Guinness has a new entrant in the Masochism/Sadomasochism
ML> ML> catagory.
ML> RS> I thought you were going to comment on the 2 missing years :)
ML> Nope. I went for the obvious 30.
Well, he admits in another post just prior that he's not had
fidelity completely :)
ML> RS> Rod "...I can hear Jim's muffled screams as the Lovely Wilbur
ML> RS> gets out the branding iron for 'Mr Ed' Jim again" Swift :)
ML> "Wilburrr...can I have my testicles tonight?"
Only if they're removed from the G-clamp first :)
Rod "...thumbscrews are fun for that sorta thing" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I wanted to be born again but my mother said: "No!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:10:06
EID:991d 22456940
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8162e
* On 18-01-97 at 11:35, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GENTLE PERSUASION
What I do to inspire the little Satan in your mind to reply to
me, you slave :)
GM> YOU CAN INTRODUCE A PERSON TO CHRIST,
GM> BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM BELIEVE.
Yes, but you can make Satan control him :) :)
Rod "...because introducing Christ is ALSO introducing Satan" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Never attribute to malice that which stupidity explains
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:11:08
EID:991d 22456960
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8166c
* On 19-01-97 at 12:01, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> OUR BEST DEFENSE
...is a lobotomy...
GM> WHEN WE TRUST THE POWER OF GOD,
GM> WE EXPERIENCE PEACE, NOT PANIC.
...if you have a Christian belief-system lobotomy, God will give
you peace because you will be a MORONIC LOSER :)
Rod "...praise Jesus, and pass the mythos!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:12:10
EID:991d 22456980
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f816aa
* On 20-01-97 at 12:07, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> HOLY ANGER
... a description of your recent displays of Christian ignorance
because we angered you :) :)
GM> THE PERSON WHO'S NOT ANGRY AT EVIL
GM> LACKS ENTHUSIASM FOR GOOD.
So when I'm angry at Christian evil, Satan is controlling me,
but when you're angry at non-Christian evil, it's Christ
controlling you?
Oh, I see. This is a *distinct* difference, right!? :)
Rod "...Mooth, you're a moron" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:13:12
EID:991d 224569a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f816e8
* On 21-01-97 at 11:36, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY
...Christianity is immunity to higher learning functions.
GM> THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST WE RECEIVE GOD'S PARDON
GM> AND ESCAPE SIN'S PENALTY.
... don't you mean ESCAPE REALITY?
Rod "...you're deluded, Mooth" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The only rational solution to your problem is suicide
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Hi Ed
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:15:14
EID:41ec 224569e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81762
* On 22-01-97 at 11:39, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ED MILLS,
on the topic of "Hi Ed" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> EM> GEORGE! WAKE UP!
GM> Hello....
GM> EM> George, I've accepted the Lord as my personal saviour.
GM> That's the best news I've heard since I've been posting to this
GM> conference, Ed. It makes all the abuse worthwhile.
Hahahaha... you were suckered RIGHT in, you moron! Oh, BTW, I've
repented and I want to learn about Jeeezus too, George! Talk to
me me me me me!!! :)
GM> EM> Please talk to me.
GM> Hang in there and persevere - there *is* a reward ahead for all of us
GM> who believe in the shed blood of Jesus.
GM> And please don't let all the mockers in this conference weaken your
GM> resolve to serve the Lord.
GM> Jesus loves us brother.
Hahahhaah... You're suckered right in :) :)
Rod "...ROFL" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Close your mind quick! Something blasphemous may get in!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:16:16
EID:991d 22456a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f817a0
* On 22-01-97 at 11:40, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT FEAR?
It is used by Christians to get converts, out of FEAR.
Christians and Christianity LOVE fear.
GM> PUT YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST
GM> AND PUT YOUR FEARS TO REST.
Don't you mean:
PUT YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST
OR FEAR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
eh Moothy?
Rod "...you're a moron, Mooth" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Easter is cancelled this year. They've found the body.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Robert Curry
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:20:18
EID:ab99 22456a80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81892
* On 25-01-97 at 18:47, ROBERT CURRY wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Peculiar State of Mind." in echo Holysmoke:
RC> with: Laurie Appleton
RC> JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift
RC> JS> masquerading as you and then directing me to a web
RC> JS> site showing him smooching on his boyfriend!?
RC> Now that is funny.
It was. The log file was even funnier :) I also got Steingrobe
too :)
Rod "...bwahahahah what a shenanigan" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * That was Zen... This is Tao!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: Bible
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:36:22
EID:f9b1 22456c80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81c56
* On 27-01-97 at 12:22, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Bible" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> It is also interesting that only about one third of the scribbles attributed
JB> to biblical times, Jewish history and the life and times of Christ are
JB> included in the published Bible. It seems that the other 2/3rds are
either
JB> too controversial, or they actually show Christ as being just another
well
JB> intentioned, though highly opinionated human, good at slight-of-hand
and
JB> public speaking.
Macabbees are fun :)
JB> BTW....If you and your partner ever find yourself up in the Calgary/Edmonton
JB> area, Max, (my partner) and I would love to visit with you on our farm.
Thanks for finding my web page, BTW. Oh, and we might get there
one day. I sent Christopher's parents to Calgary, and they went
to Calgary, Edmonton, then across to Banff, and then caught the
Rocky Mountaineer to Vancouver. They went in late-April and
enjoyed it thoroughly.
Rod "...travel experience helps in planning wonderful second
honeymoons like that :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus died for our sins, so let's not disappoint him
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: cheese whiz
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:40:24
EID:cceb 22456d00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81d48
* On 27-01-97 at 12:33, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "cheese whiz" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> RS> So you agree that God makes our genetic structure, knows of it,
JB> RS> and yet still allows the birth of children with major birth
JB> RS> defects?
JB> ....It seems to me that there are two main thoughts on this.
JB> The first one assumes that the defective child is the product of the
evil
JB> intent and actions of the parents.
I prefer this motive. Ever seen how many people turn away from
organised faith due to knowing a family that has a child/children
born with horrendous genetic defects :( It's also the view that
most parents and people who know people living with disabilities
dispensing with Jesus.
JB> The second line of thinking seems to be that deformed children are a
way of
JB> testing the worthiness of the parents, and to test the child and ensuing
JB> adult.
This is the line used when the parents cling *harder to Jesus*.
It's a "test", and they forget about the fact that it is a cruel
test and that their God is cruel :)
JB> NC>> Our current disdain for human life is no less as low as
JB> NC>> the time Hilter was doing his thing..
JB> RS> And what sort of butcher is your deity if he allows such birth
JB> RS> defects to exist? You're one sick fuck, you know!
JB> ...I agree. If I were to treat my farm animals the way God treats his
JB> creations and charges, I would be thrown in jail and left to rot. But
JB> if it's in the name of Jeeeeeezzzzzzus!!!!, it's ok to do every
JB> conceivable sadistic thing you want.
Yeah, I know. That's the way the Christanic and other religious
morons try to run others into the ground and dehumanise them.
Rod "...Christians deserve Prozac, not government office" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Treating aids???
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:41:26
EID:78cc 22456d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81d86
* On 26-01-97 at 06:26, DON MARTIN wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Treating aids???" in echo Holysmoke:
DM> CD> KS> * OLX 2.2 * If a fundy divorces his wife, is she still his
DM> CD> KS> cousin?
DM> CD> I just don't believe Jesus would use you to speak to me like that!
DM> RS> I just don't believe Jesus would use you to speak to us. In
DM> RS> any way whatsoever!
DM> DM> The size of his arsehole provides wonderful resonance
DM> DM> when JHC shouts up it to speak through him?
DM> RS> I graciously stand corrected, Brother Don :) :) :)
DM> RS> Rod "...Clayton still speaks through his ass though" Swift :)
DM> Considering where his head is, he has few choices in the matter.
Bingo! :) :)
DM> You know you have a fundy when he is astonished to learn that all
DM> toothpastes do not taste like Preparation H.
Ding! :) :) 100% on the money yet again, Don.
Rod "... yes, we are *all* individuals -- Life of Brian" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rotisserie: A ferris wheel for chickens
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sue Alexander
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:43:28
EID:c877 22456d60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81e00
* On 25-01-97 at 18:46, SUE ALEXANDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
SA> SA> RS> She wasn't even Attorney General of the United States when
the
SA> SA> RS> *decision* to intervene at Mt Carmel at the start of the
SA> SA> RS> stand-off.
SA> SA> Yeah, we went over that months ago. And dropped it months
ago.
SA> RS> Shhh... Be vewwy quiet... We're twolling for Staawins. Ehehehe!
SA> RS> :)
SA> Old ammo like that does not do much for flushing out the elusive
SA> Staal. However, maintaining a stockpile of such old ammunition, while
SA> potentially resource intensive (due to the volumes of material involved)
SA> is a useful tactic in the kill. Careful timing is the key to success
SA> with this particular adventure.
Yes, of course, I should refer to my Holysmoke Central Committee
Operations Manual for the correct usage of such posts in the
future. (All hail Styx! All hail Atheism!) :) :) :)
SA> That is, unless you are looking to shoot Bambi with an
SA> AK-47....
That would be preferable. Have you seen the new movie that they
are planning? Bambo: First Blood, Part II -- Bambi gets an Uzi,
and Thumper gets a rocket launcher :)
Rod "... Be afraid! Be very afriad!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Close your mind quick! Something blasphemous may get in!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Mark O'Neill
|Sub: Modern use of Bible word
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:47:30
EID:b574 22456de0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81ef2
* On 27-01-97 at 15:56, MARK O'NEILL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Modern use of Bible word" in echo Holysmoke:
MO> MO>> THE TOP FIFTEEN RIDICULOUSLY LONG BIBLICAL NAMES
MO> RS> ROFL. This belongs in the FAQ :) Or on Fred Rice's page at the
MO> RS> Skeptic Tank Home Page :)
MO> I grabbed it from the canonical list of religious humour. Turns out
the post
MO> was originally by Marty Leipzig. Still funny tho. :-)
Ah, yes, thanks for this info. Praise be to Herr Leipzig :)
MO> OBTW, I got another one of those fucking fake healer thingies
MO> stuffed in my letterbox the other day.
Ah... let's have a look...
___--------------------------------------------------------------------------
MO> POTTER'S HOUSE CHRISTIAN CENTRE
MO> GRAND OPENING
MO>
MO> BRING THE SICK, INJURED, DISEASED!
MO> JESUS HEALS THE PAIN THAT OTHERS CAN'T REACH!
___--------------------------------------------------------------------------
MO> You get the idea. I wish they'd get a fucking clue and stop stuffing
this
MO> shit in my mailbox. It may have something to do with the artwork these
MO> things get sent back with. }->
Now, I know exactly where these loons are from. The Potter's
House Christian Centre in Australia had their first (I believe)
mission in Perth. They are on the corner of Beechboro Road North
and Beach Road, in Ballajura.
They have a very interesting compound. They are very cultish. I
know two people who have escaped their clutches.
Further, they are currently advertising on TV about a "healing
crusade" in Perth, in public.
There are already plans for a few people here to get a few
megaphones and doing a bit of reverse proselytising.
Rod "...suggest you get in touch with your local Australian
Skeptics or Australian Atheists and see what they are doing to
protest/give out info leaflets/etc..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Person+delusion=psychosis. People+delusion=religion.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: He Come de Judge
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:53:32
EID:912b 22456ea0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8205c
* On 28-01-97 at 15:50, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ROBERT CURRY,
on the topic of "He Come de Judge" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> AS> The Dark Ages would have happened, with or without Christianity.
LB> LB> And by what crystal ball are you divining THAT assertion?
LB> RC> Because he says so. Isn't that enough?
LB> Well...no....
LB> RC> Silly Harpy!
LB> I am NOT the silly harpy! I am the caffeinated harpy!
LB> Now, Rod Swift has been pushing for harpy status. With the right kind
of
LB> bribes, we MIGHT consider letting him be the Silly Harpy.
No no no. You're too late, Lynda. I've started assigning
Hellion Status.
Hellion status has been granted to (should they wish to accept
it):
Fredric Rice
David Rice
Al Schroeder (because he'll feel left out, and if I don't
he'll tell my family :)
Robert Curry
Steve Quarella
Quentin Fai
Marty Liepzig
Don Martin
Dan Ceppa.
The duties of a hellion are defined in your dictionary:
hellion (n): a rough or rowdy person; troublemaker.
[origin: probably from C19 dialect "hallion" rogue, of
unknown origin]
Rod "...now, we can have our harpies, and you can have your
harpies, and Al B can have his harpies, and we can all have
spiritual cakes. We've got humble pie, you have chocolate cake,
and Al's lot have 25c to call 1-800-GO-RICKI and talk to someone
who gives a shit!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Pedophile Christian cook
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:59:34
EID:f384 22456f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f821c6
* On 28-01-97 at 00:17, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ED MILLS,
on the topic of "Pedophile Christian cooks" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> I was reading, by the way, a bunch of homosexual newsgroups
FR> this evening and was surprised by the number of people who
FR> defend pedophile sex with consenting children. There were
FR> personal accounts by people who claim to have engaged in
FR> sex with adults when they were in their early teens yet I
FR> can't help but consider the claims to be lies designed to
FR> make people believe that there are willing children.
There are a number of NAMBLA supporters who like posting to
Usenet and putting their evil slant on things.
But NAMBLA types are desperate. They want to claim they are part
of the gay community, but are shunned at every turn, denied
access to pride parades, etc, etc.
They've even tried stealth tactics to gain entry into the
International Gay and Lesbian Association (IGLA) and the
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC),
and two groups actually succeeded in gaining access to IGLA.
IGLA has specific rules against groups that advocate sexual
consent with children under the age of consent, and the two
groups were disaffiliated and thrown out.
The unfortunate thing is that USENET is so open to publication as
a forum for everyone, they crawl out of their gutters and into
the newsgroups :(
It makes me sick, because I've had to deal with this problem as
moderator of soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi, and screams from
the NAMBLA-brigade that they have a right to post to that support
newsgroup :(
Rod "...I might have to go back to Usenet and counterbalance some of
the crap put up by their 'internet representatives'" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Easter is cancelled this year. They've found the body.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Christian terroruists th
|Date: 05 Feb 97 14:07:36
EID:933e 224570e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f823a8
* On 27-01-97 at 23:56, FREDRIC RICE wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Christian terroruists thi" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> I haven't read very much about the latest wave of Christian
FR> "pro-life" terrorist activities. Has these bombings and
FR> attempted murders simply not made it into the news or have
FR> I simply missed it all?
Oh, and remember that the Holy Jimson Staalin has declared such
things to not be "domestic Christian terrorism" :) :)
Rod "...just wondering if you wanted to question him along this
line :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Borg Express -- don't be assimilated without it!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: All/Jim Staal
|Sub: PROMISEFILTH (AAnews 239
|Date: 05 Feb 97 14:20:40
EID:c05e 22457280
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f826b8
* On 29-01-97 at 21:23, CHRISTOPHER BAKER wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "AANEWS #239 Part 2 of 2" in echo A_Theist:
CB> PROMISE KEEPERS EVADING RESPONSIBILITY, RIPPING OFF TAXPAYERS?
CB> The males-only movement that organizes emotional prayer rallies and
CB> religious events in stadiums, that tells men to step up to the plate
CB> and "take responsibility" as "heads of households" may be sneaking out
CB> on its own obligation, and sticking the public with a $300,000 bill
CB> for unpaid fees. The Promise Keepers owe the city of Denver that
CB> amount in seat-taxes which resulted from a two-day rally at the city-
CB> owned Mile High Stadium. That's about 10% for each $60 ticked sold,
CB> according to today's Rocky Mountain News. The paper notes that
CB> Promise Keepers, a ministry based in Denver with an annual budget of
CB> nearly $112 million, simply ignored the bill when it was presented
CB> after the event. "It was reported last year," reports the News, "that
CB> Promise Keepers' financial arrangement with the city called for a flat
CB> $100,000 fee to rent Mile High Stadium. The deal called for Promise
CB> Keepers to pay the city $7.15 for each of the 51,000-plus box lunches
CB> it provided. In a somewhat enigmatic statement, PK spokesman Steve
CB> Chavis declared that "considering how competitive stadium operations
CB> are (to attract events), we don't think it the best stewardship of our
CB> resources to accept that kind of deal. "
CB> The Christian men's group says that it won't be holding its annual
CB> summertime conference at Mile High Stadium this year, and is appealing
CB> the tax bill from the city.
Jim Staal has been pining about the "lack-of-profit" that the
Promisekeepers have. Here's a story where they rented the Mile
High Stadium for a flat $100,000 fee, yet derived $3,100,000 from
ticket sales alone (and not the extra from merchandising). Given
they owe about $300,000 more, the Promisekritters made:
$3,100,000 ticket sales
- 100,000 stadium rental
- 300,000 taxation
----------
$2,700,000 PROFIT
----------
It also states that each year, it has a $112,000,000 budget.
In fact, they want $3mil profit out of this conference (and
that's before merchandising) from ticket sales of $3.1 million.
That's about 96% of earnings being profit.
No... of course they're not in it for the money. NOT!! Jim has been
debunked.
Rod "...hahahahhaah" Swift :)
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: OF THREATS OF HELL...
|Date: 04 Feb 97 16:58:00
EID:00b7 22448740
-=> Quoting Ronald Vass to Roger Hunter <=-
RV> Did Al ever answer your 'split brain' and how the 'soul' ties into
RV> it. After all he is back to telling readers that the soul is
RV> impress by the brain after death.
?? I thought that WAS his answer. Not a particularly good one, IMHO.
RV> To you he may concede a point but by his actions, it would appear
RV> that he's back to his old Al patterns of thought/bullshit. Same
When you're sure you're right, it's VERY hard to change.
No matter HOW much we tell him he's wrong.
... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing."
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: ...
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:01:00
EID:25ea 22448820
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Well...if you were God, what would you do in such a case? I have no
AS> doubt what you would do as an INDIVIDUAL...that you would act to save
AS> and protect the child, correct? But try to imagine an omnipotence that
AS> would allow you to do that to all crimes everywhere, at once, and
AS> forever. Imagine how the rest of humanity would react...at being
AS> herded.
Logical fallacy Al. God can manage that without disturbing the rest
of us unduly. He's omnipotent, no?
If the police could actually protect us from the bad guys, do you
seriously think the honest citizens would object that THEY were
being interfered with?
... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: AL LIES AGAIN!
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:03:00
EID:653e 22448860
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
AS> Just another chance to elucidate, Roger. Thanks for the
AS> opportunity.
You didn't explain it away, Al. You just blew smoke all over us.
... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BIFURCATED GENTLE FAR
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:05:00
EID:c9de 224488a0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> How many holes will it take to cause your religious edifice to
RH> crumble?
AS> Keep on trying. Miracles HAVE been known to happen...OOPS!!! Sorry.
A
AS> momentary lapse...
One has already happened, in your case. I see a table still standing
with three of its' legs blown away.
... Documentation - The worst part of programming.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: UNTHINKING NOT
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:13:00
EID:9a6c 224489a0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> And in this scenario, who gets hurt? Not the perpetrator, he's
RH> toast anyway. Not the victims, they're not real. Who, then?
AS> The perpetrator DOES get hurt. Some actually do realize
AS> the error of their ways and try to make good. But if they
AS> never realize it's wrong, there is no chance of that.
AS> Instead, they will encourage others to do the same.
Al, why would it be a sin to abuse a pseudo-human? That's
like raping a blow-up doll.
RH> And there is the real solution. Evil people should never be born.
RH> God knows who they are/will be, He's omniscient. No one gets hurt,
RH> free will is preserved, the flames of Hell can die out. Everyone
RH> wins.
AS> Sure. Free will, as long as what you freely want is what God wants.
AS> Seems rather futile, don't you think?
Why? God wants us to freely choose to worship him. How is it
futile, if those who are born do just that; choose him of
their own free will? Why does the doomed have to be born, die,
and burn forever? What purpose is served? He KNOWS I'll never
serve Him. Does He just enjoy my suffering (eventually)?
You really need to think this over, Al. Don't just blow it
away with "mysterious ways" flip answers or say you don't
think I'll burn. That's not good enough. THINK!
... Those who believe without reason cannot be convinced by reason.- Randi
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: ...
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:44:00
EID:25ea 22448d80
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Robert Curry <=-
AS> misused. Religion is even more powerful, both in its use and misuse.
AS> It might be balanced against the female infants who were exposed to
AS> infanticide in the classical pagan world....and who were instead
AS> allowed to live under the Christian worldview. Over centuries, for
AS> over a thousand> and a half years.
And you think that is a GOOD thing? Have you noticed how many
females we have these days?
Uppity bitchy ones, at that....
... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BABY IN CRITICAL COND
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:06:00
EID:9103 224490c0
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Lynda Bustilloz <=-
AS> No, Lynda. I thought God saves the innocents long before I met you.
AS> Now, if you had asked whether it JUSTIFIES the death...which Roger and
AS> others are trying to make it sound like it does...I would answer--and
AS> am answering--a resounding NO!!
AS> But if one asks me what happens to the soul, I do not think the
AS> soul of the innocent was damned. I do not think it was reincarnated.
I
AS> do not think it was extinguished. I think it was saved.
AS> I haven't changed, Lynda. You have.
But you see, Al, we don't believe in a soul. So your answer sounds
callous and unfeeling to us. To you, life is not important; the soul
is all-important, thus dying is no big deal.
We hold the opposite to be true. This life is IT; don't fuck it
up for us.
Now, your "Don't kill the kids" is a contradiction for you, an
internal inconsistancy. THAT's why I bring it up.
... "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: BOOM!
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:14:00
EID:2804 224491c0
-=> Quoting John Brawley to David Worrell <=-
JB> Theist: "IS!"
Correct.
JB> AntiTheist: "Is NOT!"
"Anyone who thinks so is EVIL". Anti = against.
No such word, BTW.
JB> Agnostic: "I don't know which."
JB> ("What was the evidence?")
Correct.
JB> A-theist: "I don't _care_ at all about the issue."
JB> ("What was the _question_?")
"IS NOT!" A = no. Theism = Belief in God.
... What do you mean? You actually read this Tagline?!?
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: BOOTSTRAPPING UP, UP
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:16:00
EID:efc9 22449200
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Dan Ceppa <=-
AS> Like Jesus, Christianity is constantly
AS> being declared dead.
AS> But it won't stay dead.
ZOMBIE! Get a stake or a fire or whatever the hell REALLY
kills these things.
... Me.. a skeptic? I trust you have evidence.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: VICTIMS "FREE" TO SUF
|Date: 04 Feb 97 19:24:00
EID:fdc8 22449b00
-=> Quoting Al Schroeder to Robert Curry <=-
AS> No. If there is no god, than a careful rapist will get away with it
AS> forever, and die just as peacefully...probably more so...than his
AS> victims.
AS> If there is a god, though they might get away with it for a time,
AS> there will be a final, inescapable judgement.
"Inescapable" Al? Did you forget about repentance? The great
Escape Clause?
Whereas the victim, mentally damaged by the attack, goes on
to become a prostitute, thus ending up in Hell.
Try again.
... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so...
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|From: Paul Halyung
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: DOS web browser
|Date: 05 Feb 97 10:21:00
EID:d159 224552a0
MSGID: 1:246/15@fidonet 120a5192
PID: FM 2.12.SW UNREG
TID: GE 1.11+
> I found a DOS web browser called Net-Tamer, which seems to work. If you
Is it available somewhere by ftp?
Paul F. Halyung
halyung@mnsi.net
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Promisekritters
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:34:20
EID:8c24 22456c40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81bdc
* On 26-01-97 at 18:42, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Promisekritters" in echo Holysmoke:
KW>KW> Yes, I have, and I do agree with you. I've also never to date met
a PK
KW>KW> that I didn't end up deciding was a weak chinned ninny with major
KW>KW> problems concerning his masculinity.
KW> RS>They are nancyboys, aren't they :) They're so threatened by
KW> RS>women that they have to get together in a group to affirm their
KW> RS>manhood. They are also anti-gay... :) Go fig.
KW> I think that they are most of all afraid of themselves.
A-yup-yup-yup. Afraid to be humans. :)
KW> RS>KW> RS>Bill McCartney is truly evil! But what else could you expect
KW> RS>KW> RS>from a knuckle-dragging college football coach who has turned
to
KW> RS>KW> RS>preaching?
KW> RS>KW> He's found him self a truly successful get rich quick scam.
KW> RS>100% on the mark, Dear Katherine...
KW> Find a man's greatest fear, and exploit it.
Again 100% on the mark. Someone should honestly feed the
PromiseKritters a 100% honest-to-chocolate harpy pie! :)
Rod "...or get them some TANKS!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Fundamentalist: (n) Ape-like creature with a Bible
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Damien Wellman
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: RE: THE ALIGNMENT LIST
|Date: 04 Feb 97 19:56:19
EID:148f 22449f00
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8608
IF Katherine = Wintersnight THEN Damien Wellman ELSE RE: THE ALIGNMENT LIST
DW> Good thing we have this hidden cache of chocolate right over HERE!
DW>
KW> Oh, Lynda?!! Damien has chocolate!!!!!!
And you can't have it! It's MINE, ALL MINE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
... A swift kick in th'south-forty is no way t'get a dragon's attention.
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|From: Damien Wellman
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 04 Feb 97 19:56:19
EID:6f10 22449f00
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8608
IF Dan = Ceppa THEN Jonathan Fingas ELSE Hypocritical people
Jd> I have a piece of paper that says David Worrell _does_ have an IOU
Jd> signed by you. Pay up.
JF> Sure. Send the mail to Santa Claus up at the North Pole -
I
JF> have a sworn affidavit that that's my mailing address.
DC> I have a sworn affidavit from Santa Claus that says that you
DC> are lying your ass off.
I have a notarized document that he IS Santa. Well, one of his elves, at
any rate.
... "Cut! Cut! Tia, you're spose ta be in your underwear..." -- Servo
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|From: Damien Wellman
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Origin of "Fuck"
|Date: 04 Feb 97 19:56:20
EID:1093 22449f00
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8608
IF Marilyn = Burge THEN John Musselwhite ELSE Black lipstick
MB> You're both wrong. During Victorian times, they were very pickey
MB> about the words they used. So, when wanting to tell readers that
MB> two characters in a book were making whooppee, they'd type F U C K
MB> followed by an asterisk, then at the bottom of the page, they'd
MB> put in a footnote "Found Under Carnal Knowledge."
MB> I know that's true, because my sister told me and swore it is true,
MB> and she NEVER lies (unless she can make a good story better).
I double-checked in the dictionary I keep by the 'puter. While it's just
a Webster's (I don't have an OED), it does havea brief etymology, as
follows: [1495-1505; akin to Middle Dutch _fokken_ to thrust, copulate
with, Swedish dialect _focka_ to copulate with, strike, push, _fock_ penis]
It would appear that John is at least partially right.
... Flush the toilet while Ranma's in the shower. He really hates that.
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Re: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 04 Feb 97 08:57:28
EID:456f 22444720
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F79A85
DH> KY> People go through hard times, and in some cases,
DH> KY> truly terrible times,
DH> KY> but there is a reason for everything to be allowed.
DH>
DH> And the reason that children suffer horrible deaths from
DH> cancer is?
As god rubs his hands together and proclaim to Hirself, that
will teach the little fuckers to eat my apple. Listen to a snake will
they. I will show them love, God's bata version 0.0000001
Let the games begin.
* SFEMB 0.41 [?] | Greetings from Rev. Satan. Live long & prosper.
* BBS TCode: -Devil-
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Praise Jesus!
|Date: 04 Feb 97 10:00:00
EID:7727 22445000
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CF8
RS>Shove your holier-than-thou judgement squarely up your ass, Al.
RS>I gave you the benefit of the doubt. That benefit was just
RS>revoked.
...SNIP...
RS>Rod "...because, honestly, I couldn't really give a shit about
RS>you, Al. You've really disappointed me." Swift :(
I think there is a line forming at the foot of Young Street in Toronto
Canada. Young st. is one of the worlds longest streets. Your likely
about at the 10 mile mark. Got a bit of waiting to do yet.
lets see.. give 2 foot per person.. yup... a few ahead of you..
I could be wrong on the 10 mile mark......
* SLMR 2.1a * A John and his money are soon partying
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Re: Baby In Critical Con
|Date: 04 Feb 97 23:29:00
EID:0dca 2244bba0
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CF9
Rod to Al and a child dieing.......Praise the Lord....... N O T
>> AS> I think He did save the kid...eternally.
>JD> SAVED...by drowning! Hey, Al, let's SAVE ALL the kids! we could
>JD> have mass baptismal drownings at municipal and school swimming pools,
>JD> and, HALELUJE, we'll save ALL THE KIDS!
>JD> Praise Jeezuz!
RS>Thank GOODNESS someone saw the same thing I criticised about Al's
RS>jumping to the defense of his deity-construct.
One thing with Al lately, he can always find a lower level to
drop to. Al inject himself into this area with a position a little
more, god is good, then what Lynda B. or David H. did, and has since
work his way down. Perhaps it was Mike Hardy that took the heat
and so the real Al belief wasn't displayed. Mike's been backing off and
now the real Al is finally showing. Not a pretty sight/person.
post
a christian format that i do&did take time to think about..ones
i enjoy or at worst, try to see their side.
I, of course could make a guess as to the why. But since i did
so poorly on Mike H. and now haveing to dodge Mini vans every time i
go up town. I guess, i better keep quiet about any guess work.
As to abuseing the young, and a no big deal comeing from some people.
It hits too close to home and i blow up. Have fun if you wish, perhaps,
just perhaps you may make a dent. Don't hold your breath, waiting.
RS>Rod "...because, honestly, it didn't make sense" Swift :)
nor I, most of the time.
* SLMR 2.1a * A Pound Of Gelignite and Blasting Cap Cures Whining.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: He Come de Judge
|Date: 04 Feb 97 20:30:00
EID:0a63 2244a3c0
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CFA
Date: 01-31-97 (12:36)
From: ROD SWIFT
To: ROBERT CURRY
Subj: He Come de Judge
-
RS> * On 16-01-97 at 11:31, ROBERT CURRY wrote to LYNDA BUSTILLOZ,
RS> on the topic of "He Come de Judge" in echo Holysmoke:
RS>RC> with: Al Schroeder
>> AS> The Dark Ages would have happened, with or without Christianity.
>> LB> And by what crystal ball are you divining THAT assertion?
>RC> Because he says so. Isn't that enough?
RS>Of course it is. Let me reapply that principle to some other
RS>areas and examples:
RS>"The Crusades would have happened, with or without Christianity".
RS>Yep, Al's unevidenced argument is delusional.
]]]]]]]] [[[[[[[
Did you every get an answer on this Lynda, if so i never made
it to my location. If you did, please repost it. Thanks.
>> LB> And by what crystal ball are you divining THAT assertion?
* SLMR 2.1a * Ask me about my vow of silence.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: A baby + God = Hell
|Date: 04 Feb 97 22:09:00
EID:50ed 2244b120
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CFB
Date: 02-01-97 (23:30)
From: KEN YOUNG
To: RONALD VASS
> RV> * SLMR 2.1a * Dead Babies go to Hell. -- Psalms 58:3 --
KY>May be just a tagline, but I had to respond.. In my Bible it says: The
wick
KY>are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born,
speaki
KY>lies.
John 9:31 "Now we know that God heareth not sinners;"
If all are born in sin, all are fucked. Doesn't matter how much praying
you do. God is just going to ignore it all.
KY>Nowhere does it say babies will go to Hell.. Rather it is reemphasizing
that
KY>are born with a wicked nature.. But, babies do not go to Hell, simply
becau
KY>they are not at the age of accountability yet.
To be born with a "wicked nature" is the same as to be born with
sin on the first breath of the baby. The only way a Christian can be
sure a possible child will make the heaven jourany is to abort the
fetus before it can pop out into the world of sin. If it draws a breath,
it's fuck as far as the Christian God is concern.
Now persay, you would wish to have evidence that praying to
the Christian God and that the same Christian God, ignores a
prayer from a sinner. Simple to see. Those blind are still
blind, children still die from cancer,kids still die from hunger.
Christians still carrying Health Insurance, is the best evidence that
the Christian God doesn't listen to anyone. Which as we can say, is
more evidence that all are born in sin and if a sinner, God will
never listen to you.
Forget it Ken. You were born via a fuck , you
were created by a human female, and once you drag a gasph of air.
You were again fuck by the Christian God and some where down the
road. The only God, all will meet face to face, is death.
Started by a fuck, really getting fuck by birth and the final fuck of
death.
* SLMR 2.1a * Bam-bam-bam... Still going
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Bifurcated gentle farts Jd> of sinners, then he doesn't heed anyone's prayers, does he!
> AS> Um.
> AS> Urgh.
>
> AS> Hey, when you're stuck you're stuck.
> AS> Good point.
DC>A very good point.
> AS> Actually, it says if we say we are "without sin" the truth is not
in
> AS> us. I think the Bible here is talking about habitual sinners...i.e.,
DC>Ergo, those with sin cann have truth. Thus, again by your definition,
DC>none of what your masters are telling you can be equated with
DC>truthfulness.
Your forgetting that Al, also preachs to the sheep. That billion,billion
remark, when god finally shows up... or what ever that bullshit was
about.
ie: Al also gets to play at being a "masters are telling you"
Al may be stuck without a truthful answer but it doesn't stop Al
from passing on the lies. That much, Al has admitted/showen.
> AS> I'll give you that one. Good one, Jan. LOL!
DC>At least you are starting to notice the illogic of your religion.
DC>That's a beginning.
But when will Al finally tell the sheep the truth. Isn't that
a better question ?
* SLMR 2.1a * Barney is Real,Jesus Christ is a Fake.Barney is on Tv.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 04 Feb 97 12:43:00
EID:0d99 22446560
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CFD
KY> MB> it is a human being from the moment of conception. I see that as
a
KY> MB> VERY extreme viewpoint with nothing but theology to back it up.
KY> MB> Since we do not live in a theocracy, and I have no desire to live
KY> MB> in one, I see the freedom to choose as the right one for society
KY> MB> as a whole.
KY>It is no more an extreme view than it is to believe that we are human
beings
With This ??????
KY>Nothing to back it up? I guess movement, brainwaves, heartbeats, etc.
don't
KY>count?
movement, brainwaves, heartbeats, etc..... hell my man, you can get that
from a fish, tadpole, snake. You need a bit better to show, what humans
call 'human life'.
Till a fetus can exist all on it's own. It's as much a parasite as
cancer is. It draws material from a liveing body and it can Kill and
does kill. If a female wishs to extract that blob of cells, no one
but her can say yes or no.
Anyone who would wish to stop that removal, should forfelt their life,
since that is what they are asking the female to face.
Fair is fair, as they say.
* SLMR 2.1a * Before you turn your back on JESUS take a look at His ass
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 04 Feb 97 13:03:00
EID:0d99 22446860
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CFE
KY> DH> You appear to be proud of your utter lack of education.
KY>More like my knowledge.. Really, the problem is that everything hasn't
been
KY>properly distributed. I think if it was, you would find that the world
woul
KY>have a long ways to go before it would be too too populated.
Do you work at being dumb ? Do you live out in the open so
someone else can live in your residence, do you only have a very small
meal ... 1 per day ... so others can have the rest of the food. Do you
walk around bare foot all the time, so others can have the material
of your footwear ? If not, why are you not distributeing all your excess
wealth.
Then too, like many other so called Christians, the 'words' sound
good but ask not me lord, to live that type of life.
As a Christian, your not meeting the standards of Your Jesus. You
would appear to be liveing a lie. Your comitting a S I N. Your liveing
a lie in the face of Your All Knowing God. Your going to burn for lieing
to your lord.
Then you have the guile to say you follow the Jesus path of belief.
Your so full of shit, it's comeing out your ears.
* SLMR 2.1a * Beheading,sure way to kill a vimpire and/or a wife
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 04 Feb 97 13:08:00
EID:0357 22446900
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81CFF
To: JAN DEBOER Recvd: NO
> Jd> your three-headed 'pilot'.
> P> Nope.. Maybe your ride has been bumpy, in which case I recommend
> P> you change flights.. But mine as been smooth as silk.
> Jd> Really - no chcken pox, acne, bill collectors, frustrations, staled
> Jd> cars, burnt pots, blown fuses, dirty diapers, squalling kids, traffic
> Jd> jams, stalled car,....etc., etc.
> Jd> You must live at Lourdes and work-at-home!
KY>Oh, sure.. Everyone has their troubles, but with God, anything can be
done.
Such as ? .... Please back up what ever claim you make
with testable evidence so all can share
in it.
* SLMR 2.1a * Bet You Were Glad To Get That Off Your Breast...er,Chest.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Killer of myths
|Date: 04 Feb 97 13:36:00
EID:e346 22446c80
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D00
> jf> Also, events such as the Amityville Horror are a little
> jf> TOO real to deny his existence.
RS> Even though some of the main players in the Amityville
RS> Horror have admitted that it was a scam, and that they made
RS> money off of it? Don't be obtuse.
> jf> If you recall, the family that was living there had to
> jf> LEAVE because the house was quite literally going nuts.
RS> Not literally, it wasn't. Houses don't have minds or even
RS> brains, ergo, a house can NOT go nuts, to use your
RS> vernacular.
You do know that you also just shot down. John B. and his
all knowing/connecting quantum mind god. ie: houses do have
a quantum nature, like humans.
BeWare the killer of the cabbage, you too, could be next. Right.
I just remember, you missed that one too. All well,
perhaps the killer of the wax turnip will tell you all about it.
[another one, you missed out on]
* SLMR 2.1a * Blonde =>" Still struggling up the evolutionary ladder?"
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Robert Curry
|Sub: leggo my ego
|Date: 04 Feb 97 21:56:00
EID:9efa 2244af00
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D01
RC>(Go right ahead, but don't bother asking Al for a sample space.)
RC> JB> That you disagreed with my points does not make them
RC> JB> 'pointless.' (*grin*)
RC>They somehow manage to be pointless all on their own.
So thats where the 'nil point' came from, pointless points.
* SLMR 2.1a * Bobbit-approved do-it-yourself-vesectomy-kit,from RonCo.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Hitler for Christianity
|Date: 04 Feb 97 21:55:00
EID:09f8 2244aee0
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D02
KY>ANd how anyone can put the word hate and Promise Keepers in the same
sentenc
KY>is beyond me.. They go too far the other way, actually..
KY>And seeing as the groups Hitler was in, were of the Occult, it sure looks
li
KY>he probably was too.. He worshipped Satan, not God.
Here you go............
>*<.....file...Hitler.....
In 1933 Hitler of proclaimed the Nazi party stood for "Positive
Christianity" (3/23/33 Reichstag).
Some of Hitler's "divine" references (Mein Kampf)
"We must, therefore, coolly and objectively adopt the standpoint that it
can certainly not be the intention of Heaven to give one people fifty
times as much land and soil in this world as another."
"Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy
enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an
overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to
live at this time."
"I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the
top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be
allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge
and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction."
"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first
prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only
arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not
spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain."
"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most
modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an
embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."
"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of
our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of
our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our
people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the
creator of the universe."
>*<
It work for that one time Good Christian ..... Hitler .......
For some reason many Christians don't want to admit that
Hitler used Christian tactics to aquire power of life and death.
Perhaps it's because Christians are still useing the same tactics
to show how good they are; because they too, follow a God.
* SLMR 2.1a * Convert or Kill:It's not just a good Idea,it's God's Law
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 04 Feb 97 22:19:00
EID:1dc5 2244b260
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D03
DC>-> On 31 Jan 97 18:37:02, Ken Young got back to Jan deBoer
DC> Jd> I presume then, that you live the 'natural' lifestyle, Ken!
DC> Jd> Must be tough going nude this time of year!
DC> KY> Seeing how clothes are biblical, I see no problem with it.
DC> KY> But one cannot say the same for homosexuality.
DC>Just who was that youth running out of the garden of Gethsemane?
Jesus Christ.....getting caught short again ? Another good 'plug'
for homosexuality.
* SLMR 2.1a * For A Good Time, Call Jesus 1-800-WILL-FUCK-U-TOO
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: the Alignment List. part
|Date: 04 Feb 97 22:45:00
EID:88bd 2244b5a0
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D04
BBS: The Devil's Advocate
Date: 02-01-97 (10:38)
From: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
To: ALL
Subj: the Alignment List. part
KW>This list will be posted monthly, until enough people tell me to stop.
KW>If you aren't listed, and want to be, just give me the information,
KW>and I will add you to the list.
KW>This list may also be found on my web page--
KW>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3158/cast.html
KW>Please address additions to the list to me, under the subject
KW>"alignment list". I've started adding the people who
KW>haven't given me their own entry this month--so unless you
KW>want to risk my best guess of what you are, best let me know.
Three part post can through to Brantford. Ont. If it was 3 parts,
then all made it this far.
* SLMR 2.1a * Now and then, even a women can get it right. Fast..
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Cheese Whiz
|Date: 04 Feb 97 22:48:00
EID:4ff0 2244b600
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D05
RS> JB> This is a cunt we're talking about, not a train tunnel.
RS> You mean that clickety-clack clickety-clack clickety-clack
RS> sound is not normal?
You met my X then, i take it.
* SLMR 2.1a * Fundies Bring Matches to A Gun Fight
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 04 Feb 97 23:02:00
EID:31bd 2244b840
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D06
RH> -=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Al Schroeder <=-
RH> DC> What would you do if your god demanded that you do that rape?
RH> AS> Refuse without a second's thought, even if it meant damnation.
RH> DC> What would you do if your daughter was the victim and someone
RH> DC> that could have prevented it didn't help?
RH>You know, if we keep hammering Al with these questions designed
RH>to point out the inconsistencies in his faith, something is going
RH>to break.
RH>I suspect it will be his willingness to post here.
He did lay the ground work a few months ago. You may be right.
* SLMR 2.1a * Fundys are like baby crows. All mouth and asshole.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Pussy little satanist
|Date: 04 Feb 97 23:44:00
EID:4648 2244bd80
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D07
RS> * On 16-01-97 at 17:54, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
RS> on the topic of "Pussy little satanist" in echo Holysmoke:
>>>KW> NR>Like I said, I HATE FAGGOTS!! If one ever "advanced" on
>>>KW> NR>me he would be beaten
>>>KW> NR>into oblivion, mercilessly.
>>>KW> NR>Maliethorn
>>>KW> In other words, you got turned down at the glory hole.
>> RS>I want to know how innocent, sweet, dear, and innocent
>> RS>heterosexuals find out about such things :) :)
>KW> Find one and ask hir.
RS>But of course >:)
Actually 'glory hole' is a common term in a plant that produces
glass products. ie: see radiance ... light ... heat ...
It's also used in nuclear pile, i believe. Either way, you don't
want to stick your dick in there. Too hot of a fuck, for humans.
* SLMR 2.1a * Get a taste of reglion ..... Lick a witch!
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ronald Vass
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Now Rod. U can't do that.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:24:00
EID:694b 22450300
MSGID: 1:221/1503 32F81D08
From: ROD SWIFT To: FREDRIC RICE Subj: Blast from the past
RS> * On 15-01-97 at 21:24, FREDRIC RICE wrote to QUENTIN
FAI, RS> on the topic of "Blast from the past" in echo Holysmoke:
>> FR> But the fact that the disciples all saw and ate and
>> FR> touched Jesus is important. - Al Schroeder
>> FR> Christanic cannibalism. Disgusting!
>> qf> Sounds like a homoerotic act to me.
>FR> I seriously doubt whether any homo would want someone like Al.
RS>I agree 100000000000000000000000000000000000000%
Are you a God ? .... Nasty lad, takeing the free will from other
gay males. A christian .... perhaps would like an Al beefcake.
So tell us. What do you really want ? a women ?
..... lets see.... strand a hot Rod, on a island with
- Bullshiting & spin doctoring male Al
- Bullshitting & spin doctoring female ... got to be 1
- Holy Bible - see bullshitting & spin doctoring
----and thats it Rod. Pick your hell.
RS>Rod "...and that's no exaggeration" Swift :)
That's really stretching, O'Swift One.
* SLMR 2.1a * Scotland: The Women are fierce and the Men wear skirts.
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:29:24
EID:1f5a 224503a0
MSGID: 1:270/420.0 32f81ab4
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 32f56182
RS> RIP Verna Mae Russell 1911-96
RS> Ken Young said to Dan Ceppa about Exemplifying examples:
MG> Perfect? Why does he starve people to death?
ky> I wasn't aware God did that.. People do that all on
ky> their own.
RS> Which God?
Isn't it obvious? There is only one god. If I meant another, meaning a
false god, then I would have mentioned their names..
ky> so they would be contributing to the problem..
RS> But why doesn't your DEITY help? According to your Bible,
RS> It has in the past. Why does It allow people to starve to
RS> death now, when It's helped in the past?
God does help people often.. But without faith in Him, a society may not
be as blessed as it used to be.
ky> If you look at it, it is society that causes starvation,
ky> not God..
RS> Which God? And so your Deity can do nothing about it?
It is a two way street. If people really refuse to do what is needed, that
is their choice.
DC> Who controls the weather, Ken? If your god can't
DC> provide suffienct rain for those that need it, he
DC> isn't much of a god.
ky> Not His fault the people turns their backs on Him.
RS> So It only gives food to those who believe in him? Pretty
RS> selfish Deity you got yourself there. So much for
RS> unconditional love, huh?
Love and limitless giving are two different things.
And is it so much to ask, really? All He asks is that we believe and accept.
Until we start doing that, things will continue to go down hill.
ky> Anyway, God lets these happen, He doesn't cause them.
RS> And so, by Its own inaction, It causes people to starve to
RS> death, though supposedly with little or no effort, It could
RS> save them.
RS> Sounds like a personal problem to me. It would appear to me
RS> that I am more loving and friendly than your Deity, for I
RS> have done my part at various times to help feed others. You
RS> should worship me instead.
Well, what type of eternity insurance plan do you have? :)
And how can God not be loving when He came up with a way for us all to have
everlasting life in Heaven?
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Mormonism IS Christianit
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:38:54
EID:8c96 224504c0
MSGID: 1:270/420.0 32f81cee
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 32f56aac
RS> Well, you lead the way . . .
ky> First, militias are not for the Christians, alone. Many
ky> Jews, Pagans, Atheists, etc. are in militias. People from
ky> all walks of life are in them. Are there any militias run
ky> by CHristians, and more for them? SUre.. But there are
ky> those, for all, as well..
RS> Really? Name three. And name your source for this info; is
RS> it Militia Weekly or some other theme magazine? Or just
RS> your imaginatiion?
According to the militias themselves.. I have heard of several Jewish militia
members, and I met one Pagan one that used to be in a Florida militia.
I also have been corresponding with another Pagan that is considering starting
one. ANyone that believes the govt. has gone too far in America, can have
a militia. It is for all walks of life..
ky> ANd how anyone can put the word hate and Promise Keepers
ky> in the same sentence, is beyond me..
RS> It's remarkably easy, as it is with other Fundy Xtian
RS> organizations. Consider:
RS> "I want to be invisible. I do guerilla warfare. I
RS> paint my face and travel at night. You don't know
RS> it's over until you're in a body bag. You don't know
RS> until election night." -- Ralph Reed, Xtian Coalition
Hmm.. I do believe we were talking about PK.. But you have yet to show
how they are violent. Rather, they are too peaceful and accepting..
Really, if you knew what they truly believed, I doubt you would even call
them fundies, for the most part.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: ...
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:44:26
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LB> since he only put up with death for three days.
ky> The main difference is that they were criminals..
ky> Christ wasn't guilty of anything..
RS> Then why was he tried and sentenced? And, btw, if he HADN'T
RS> been crucified, Xtianity wouldn't exist today would it? In
RS> essence, you and every Xtian are dependent on the torture
RS> and death of (by your own words) a blameless individual.
RS> Real, true, Xtian love there . . .
Let me ask you.. Why do you think he was tried and sentenced? There weren't
any real crimes that he committed..
You really missed the point, didn't you? Jesus came to give us everlasting
life, so yes, his death was a large part of the plan. As well as his return
was..
Not just death, but resurrection..
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Naked Pagan Rituals
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:47:46
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ky> Nowhere does it say babies will go to Hell.. Rather it is
ky> reemphasizing that we are born with a wicked nature.. But,
ky> babies do not go to Hell, simply because they are not at
ky> the age of accountability yet.
RS> Great! Then abortion is a good idea for those babies! They
RS> never sin, and they go to Heaven. What could be better for
RS> them? Thanx for admitting this to us.
Just because one goes to Heaven, that means we have the right to kill them?
Then we might as well kill all Christians, as they will go to Heaven anyway..
But then, you probably would like open season on Christians..
No, we all need to be given a chance at life..
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Square circles
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:51:36
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Jd> On 31 Jan 97 23:49:40 Ken Young wrote to Jan deBoer...
KY> Oh, sure.. Everyone has their troubles, but with God, anything
KY> can be done..
Jd> Can he make a square circle?
Yes. If He wanted to, He would find a way.
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:52:28
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KY> People go through hard times, and in some cases, truly terrible
KY> times, but there is a reason for everything to be allowed.
KY> One thing is man has turned against God, and has decided they
KY> want to follow Satan instead, so God will let them have their way
KY> for awhile, and we see with the idseases, rapists, etc., where
KY> that has taken us..
Jd> And the REASON your kind, loving, fatherly god gives leukemia to
Jd> innocent children is?
I will answer that, as soon as you can prove to me that God has ever given
leukemia to anyone..
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Grace, Bride of Christ [1]
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:53:24
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Jd> On 01 Feb 97 03:34:06 Ken Young wrote to Jan deBoer...
KY> You people sure like to connect God with sexuality, don't you?
KY> Odd omnipotent being fetish of some sort? :)
Jd> You're the one who keeps bringing up the fascinating [to you] topic
of
Jd> homosexuality.
Yeah, silly me for replying.. I probably should know better.. :)
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Love me tender
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:54:20
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Jd> That's what Jim Bakker was demonstrating, and they
Jd> threw him in jail for
Jd> it!
KY> Funny, I thought it had a little something to do with taxes..
Jd> When religion infects the brain, the sense of humour is the second thing
Jd> to go.
Infects? And I suppose Atheism is the cure?
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: Cracker Barrel Boycot
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:55:12
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RS>> Ecstacy does a better job...
RS>> Rod "...but I'm not into drugs" Swift
KY> How do you know? Did you ever truly compare the two?
MK> How could he? Drugs he could probably find, but it's
MK> your god, and you can't
MK> even produce him to be tried. :-)
MK> ___
Don't need to.. He is right here.
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Mark Kimes
|Sub: READING INCOMPREHENSI
|Date: 05 Feb 97 00:56:14
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KY> Tell ya what, just as a favor, I'll pray for you..
MK> Do yourself a favor. Think for yourself.
MK> ___
And who says I don't? Why do you think I am a Christian? Because God made
me? People can decide to take the Christian path, all on their own.
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 05 Feb 97 17:56:46
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JS> matter how vile and
JK> evil thier own actions they are 'saved' and thus forgiven.
JS> I know nothing of these 'fundies' of which you speak. I do know,
JS> however, that individuals who make claims of being
JS> the returned Messiah
JS> are no Christians.
KY> Oh, I agree completely.. However, at least with Koresh, he never
KY> claimed to be the Messiah.
JS> I was under the impression (from reading much about the man and his
JS> claims - he attracted my attention by being a musician and songwriter)
JS> that he claimed to be God incarnate.
I can understand you thinking that, as that is how it was reported, but
that is not the full story. I did already say this, but I am happy to say
it again..
He never said he was God, what happened was the media asked him about a
claim that he got an elderly grandmother pregnant, and he sarcastically
said, "if I could do that, I must be God." Media took it out of context.
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 05 Feb 97 18:01:58
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DH> not, have had a personal relationship with Jesus?
KY> And how many cases of torture, rape and murder, can you think of
KY> lately, that occurred in the name of Christianity?
DH> You don't get out much, do you? Been checking the regular,
DH> non-partisan news lately about the number of folks diddling
DH> with little children, who are acknowledged by themselves and
DH> their parishes to be in a loving relationship with Jesus?
And those things do not occur when people are secular?
I will not say that every one of them is a non-Christian, though most I
would say that about.
DH> Now, just before you go declaring these people to be
DH> Not-True-Christians, I'm wondering about the process.
DH> I mean, we hear from the bumper stickers that xtians
DH> are not perfect, just forgiven, but I want to hear
DH> that from someone "in the know."
CHristians aren't perfect, but if at that moment they are living in Christ,
they will not sin.
And yes, Christians are forgiven, if they repent. We are human and will
make very bad judgement calls. But God still loves us, and is a very forgiving
god..
DH> So I have some questions for you:
DH> 1) Are pastors that bugger the little boys true Christians? Or
DH> do you have some way to throw them out and get their frequent
There may be a few, but I have no way to know for sure. But most, I tend
to think, are not..
DH> 2) If they repent do they become true Christians again?
Yes. Of course, just ebcause one sins, does not necessarily mean they stop
being a Christian. But yes, if one repents, God forgives completely..
DH> 3) If they are forgiven, then weren't they Christian while
DH> they were human beings slipping down the little underpants?
They were Christians, not living for Christ at that particular time..
DH> 4) Who, if anyone, takes responsibility for the trauma suffered
DH> by victims at the hands (and other body parts) of these priviledged
DH> individuals? The individuals themselves? The Church? Nobody?
The minister should take responsibility, but if he doesn't, anyone that
finds out about it, which would incluide the victim and his family, should
do what needs to be done to see that justice is served.
Spiritually they are forgiven, but one still has to face the consequences
of one's actions, in some instances..
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|From: Ken Young
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 05 Feb 97 18:13:30
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DW> 02 Feb 97 01:33, Ken Young wrote to Katherine Wintersnight:
KY> And how many cases of torture, rape and murder, can you think of
KY> lately, that occurred in the name of Christianity?
DW> Imagine that you're watching the news one day and learn
DW> that I have been out torturing, raping, and murdering
DW> in your name. Would you not do your best to let it be
DW> known that you support none of those actions?
Perhaps not.. If I did, that would just be making it even bigger.. People
generally do not believe denials of wrongdoing, even if it is just guilt
by association.
DW> As for how many cases of the above that have occurred
DW> lately, how many blacks were beaten (sometimes to
DW> death) just 30 years ago in the South by your brethren in the sheets?
That was a racial issue, not a religious one..
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|From: Ken Young
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 18:16:10
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DW> exists?
KY> And do you really know anything at all about the Michigan Militia?
KY> No? I didn't think so..
DW> Other than the fact that they're pathetic little
DW> whiners who wouldn't understand the Constitution even
DW> if Barney sang it to them? No, and I honestly see no
DW> need.
Just tell me one thing in the Constitution that they are wrong about.
And how does one criticize something they don't understand?
But then, people criticize Christianity too, without understanding it..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Ken Young
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 05 Feb 97 18:37:54
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DW> 30 Jan 97 23:34, Ken Young wrote to Ed Mills:
KY> We were made in God's image.. Man came before woman.. Does not take
KY> too much too figure out the rest.
DW> Really? Does God have a navel? Does he have a penis? If
DW> he does, what does he use it for?
Use your imagination.
Seeing as how I never saw the anatomy of God, I could not tell you what
he has, nor could I even begin to explain what He would use it for..
--- Maximus 3.01
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: ...
|Date: 05 Feb 97 01:38:03
EID:ea28 22450cc0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f7e47b
-> On 02 Feb 97 11:28:14, Richard Smith got back to David Ragland
dr> women (and children for that matter) with an air
dr> of innocence about them.
dr> Something for you and Marilyn and all women to think
dr> about...
RS> What, that if they behave as though they are `fwagile
RS> fwowers' rather than real people, if they allow men to put
Just sit back, Richard. And, do stay away from the water. I
see a feeding frenzy about to happen. Ragland doesn't quite
understand that he's not just the bait, he's the mid-night
snack.
And, as Al once said: "It will be SOOOO bloody!"
... "xian subculture is Orwellian abuse of language." - jonny vee
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: hypocritical people
|Date: 05 Feb 97 17:25:03
EID:7432 22458b20
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f8c26f
-> On 02 Feb 97 18:59:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>And, do have a clue as to what 'hypocrisy' actually means?
DR> I think he does. Also consider this:
DR> Job 20:5 That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of
Consider this: Until you validate that your bible is actually
true, don't bother to try throwing out quotes from it. You
can start by providing evidence that your god exists.
... "Be not righteous overmuch." -- Ecclesiastes 7:16
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: READING INCOMPREHENSI [1]
|Date: 05 Feb 97 22:30:17
EID:12aa 2245b3c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f909f9
-> On 02 Feb 97 06:45:42, Ken Young got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> "I've come not to change a dot or tittle"
DC> Guess what, Kenny, that has been changed. You've changed the
DC> meaning of what your godling has said and are not following
DC> the word of said godling.
KY> Ya know, it isn't good to be talking to yourself like that..
I get far more intelligent replies than talking to you.
KY> favor, I'll pray for you..
I'll burn a puppy for you. Happy now?
KY> And no, I didn't change a thing. The only things that have been
KY> changed is what the Bible later says has been.
Which your godling said he wasn't going to change, per your bible.
At what RPM can your head spin before getting dizzy?
... "The church is a service...nothing tangible." Jim Murray
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: without consent
|Date: 05 Feb 97 22:47:40
EID:7e6c 2245b5e0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f90e0c
-> On 03 Feb 97 16:26:37, Al Schroeder got back to ROBERT CURRY
AS> There seems to be a lot of gas in this echo, lately...first
AS> Mark, now you...
RC> In honor of your status as the Official HolySmoke Gasbag, yes.
AS> Better to be a Noble Gas than a Liquid Plumber.
You really should be more careful with your metaphors, Al. Didn't
Mikey's poor use of them teach you anything?
After all, a noble gas doesn't interface with anything and
the Liquid Plumber at least takes care of shit.
... Evolution is the Gods' way of issuing upgrades
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: (PIDO) AIDS Education Pa
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:27:09
EID:557f 2245bb60
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f9174d
-> On 29 Jan 97 15:07:02, Richard Smith got back to Dan Ceppa
RS> GDI?
DC> Gamma Delta Iota, one of the fastest growing fraternities on
DC> Oh yeah, AKA God Damned Indepenent!
RS> Goat Divinities International?
I like the new, upgraded version!
RS> a member of any club that would have someone like me for a
RS> member . . .
That's exactly why we all "joined" it and made it such a
success!
... "With a lot of hard work, he'll be ready in 10 more years" Chuin
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: ALTERNATIVE OR STRAW
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:31:29
EID:62dc 2245bbe0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91851
-> On 03 Feb 97 05:29:51, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Why doesn't your god do better and prevent the acts from ever
DC> happening?
AS> Because He thinks free will is better for us than a rigid control.
Such as having to follow a dogma?
DC> What would you do if your daughter was the victim and someone
DC> that could have prevented it didn't help?
AS> Be angry, no doubt. But it might depend on the reason.
What reason does your god have to let it occur, Al?
... The Necrotelecomnicon: Book of telephone numbers's of the dead.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Apocalypse Now
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:34:55
EID:f539 2245bc40
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f9191f
-> On 29 Jan 97 15:04:00, Richard Smith got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Nice to see you back!
RS> Thanx, nice to be back, albeit sporadically. I see that
Problems with your feed, or just too much else to do?
RS> apparently we lost the Superior Intellect from England,
You forgot to put quotes around that!
RS> (And, btw, do you at last have a working EMail address?)
No, not yet. Shelby's working on getting the local E-mail
setup to accept my posts as a point. So far, no luck.
... "Punctation marks are a blasphemous tool of your schooling!" Appleton
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Around the World in 80 P
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:39:22
EID:b9e8 2245bce0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91a2a
-> On 02 Feb 97 19:57:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>All that it means is that god let's you die on this world and
DC>takes you to a life in heaven that _doesn't_ last forever.
DR> The _present_ Heaven won't last.
Gee, what's the matter? Your god screw up again? He can't
seem to get anything right, can he.
DR> scripture means. If you want to learn how to interpret scripture
DR> instead of attack it out of fear, I can refer you to some good lesson
What are you going to do? Pray to me again? I'm just
shaking in my boots . . . from laughing at your superstitious
threats.
DR> Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the
What's the address of the old one?
DR> first heaven and the first earth were passed away;
DR> and there was no more sea.
You still have gotten around to providing the co-ordinates
for the "first heaven".
... Fundamentalists can legally park in handicapped zones.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Norman Solomon
|Sub: Christ-Like
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:46:15
EID:4d9c 2245bdc0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91bc7
-> On 31 Jan 97 17:24:00, Norman Solomon got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> scenario: I hold a gun and tell you to give me all of your money
DC> or put you hand in the fire. If you refuse, I shoot you and throw
DC> you in whole for not obeying me.
NS> Oh Dan, promise me you will improve.
No need too. The above scenario is the fate of any that
don't follow your religious bullshit.
NS> The scenario is closer to: You are driving down a road, on which a
NS> bridge has been destroyed by a prev. user. Warning signs have been
The bridge was built by your god. You would have thought that
he was smart enough to build a better bridge.
NS> put up, and a detour offered.
In your case, the detour is fully away from reality.
NS> Give God a break, he has even put up warning signs in this echo to
The bastard's supposedly omnipotent. He can make his own
breaks.
NS> them has ensured you will *never* follow him, *their* way. You have
to
NS> find your own way, or not as the case may be.
Which is a lot better than following like the automaton that
you are.
... "God told me" is no excuse for stupidity. -- Steve Quarrella
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:54:38
EID:4e68 2245bec0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91dbe
-> On 01 Feb 97 20:41:56, Ken Young got back to Katherine Wintersnight
KY> Yes, we create hunger.. Besides the fact that we are not obeying God,
Too bad that your little books says you are wrong. It says
that your god created _everything_.
... "Do not to others,what you don't want done to you"...Buddhist proverb
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 05 Feb 97 23:56:48
EID:4e68 2245bf00
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91e40
-> On 02 Feb 97 06:42:58, Ken Young got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Think quick: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
KY> Easy.. The chicken, as God made the chicken with the capability to
KY> reproduce, so we would have more chickens.
Wrong answer, Ken. You apparently understand nothing about
evolution.
KY> And God has always been. He has no beginning, nor end. He just is.
And the evidence is?
... "Be fuckers and multiply...." -- Genesis 1:22 (paraphrased)
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: God: psychopathic liar...
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:00:01
EID:4fd1 22460000
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91f01
-> On 03 Feb 97 09:18:49, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
AS> Then why does the idea of hell still bother me?
DC> And, Al, just where did you first hear that concept? Does
DC> it strike a cord that you would not get presents from Santa
DC> if you were bad?
DC> It should.
AS> But the concept of hell is far older than the concept of Santa Claus,
So is the idea that the earth is flat.
... When you think for yourself, you know!
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|From: All
|To: Leonard Bernier
|Sub: hello
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:02:54
EID:d806 22460040
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f91fae
-> On 03 Feb 97 08:18:00, Leonard Bernier got back to Dan Cappa
Does this count as a reply from Bernier?
Besides sending the message to the wrong name,
LB> "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
all I got was fucking bible quotes.
... Fundy Twister: "Right foot red. Left foot green. Both hands nailed."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: hypocritical people
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:04:34
EID:c41f 22460080
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92012
-> On 03 Feb 97 23:36:33, David Worrell got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> And, just how do you expect Fingas to know when he needs
DC> a clue?
DW> I can't be expected to do *everything* for the boy.
This is true. After all, it's not like that he can chew
gum and walk at the same time.
... Rule 1-D of Creationism: Claim evidence...then quote scripture
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: All
|Sub: A vintage year
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:11:33
EID:2709 22460160
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f921b5
-> On 03 Feb 97 16:57:28, Jonathan Fingas got back to David Worrell
Seems like the whining seasons is off to a great start!
DW> Your say-so doesn't cut it little man. Give references.
JF> So of course, when I actually DO give evidence, he refutes it. A
JF> little hypocritical! And in case you need to know, all those were
=============
Has to be the best Orwellian phrase of the current crop.
Hypocritical, by Fingas: "My evidence sucks and you refuted it!"
See also, 'debunked' and 'hasn't a clue'.
... 'Noah's Flood'? Ah, yes -- the original Noah brainer.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: hypocritical people
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:17:03
EID:7432 22460220
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f922ff
-> On 02 Feb 97 18:30:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>So, Jonathan, why didn't your godling, with all the powers
DC>of his father, save himself?
DR> John:
Mary!
DR> 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
Got any evidence that your god exists? Do so before the next
time you pull a bible quote out of your ass.
DR> You savvy?
You are a fucking idiot. Capice?
... "How talk you, yes. That, do we. Idiot, fucking, you are.": Yoda
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: hypocritical people
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:20:14
EID:7432 22460280
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f923be
-> On 02 Feb 97 18:39:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>You are talking about a revolution occurring in which there are
DC>only 2 swords to handle at least a legion of Roman soldiers.
DC>Your godling was an idiot, at best.
DR> How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the
How fucking funny ye talk, yes you do, simpleton. What's
next, talking fully in tongues?
DR> They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
It's because you haven't any evidence, fundy.
... Fundy brains for rent. Never used. Call 555-2132
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:22:09
EID:7432 224602c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92431
-> On 02 Feb 97 19:06:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>That would be a start. At least at that point you will start
DC>to realize that you have been played hook, line and sinker
DC>as a fool.
DR> Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
Talking strangely again, little fundy?
DR> Good thing for you he is not your brother, huh? :I
I've got two sisters and now brothers, idiot.
... +Origin: SWORD NETWORK: Raping, Pillaging, and Killing for Kneezus.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:23:52
EID:7432 224602e0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92498
-> On 02 Feb 97 19:44:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>From what I've read from him, the only thing small around
DC>here is his mind.
DR> Don,
That's 'Dan', you of also poor reading skills.
DR> If you are actually his intellectual superior, why not impart wisdom
DR> to him instead of only showing vain contempt?
Because, like you, he can't read.
... Just when can you afford to get your brain out of hock?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: J.J. NEEDS TO BE HITT
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:27:00
EID:95ed 22460360
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92554
-> On 02 Feb 97 13:01:00, Roger Hunter got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Try setting your OLR into doing something that is quotable.
RH> He's quoting Al Schroeder. And this is the same David Ragland who
I knew that. I wasn't going to waste my time into trying to
make sense of it.
RH> was just telling us how intelligent he is.
RH> And yet he can't get an OLR to work correctly...
RH> ROTFL!
Give the guy a break! For a fundy, he just may be intelligent
enough to figure it out. . . . Maybe!
... I have never had any use for public schools. -- Jim Staal
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Ragland
|Sub: J.J. needs to be Hitt
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:36:56
EID:a99a 22460480
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f927a8
-> On 02 Feb 97 17:56:00, David Ragland got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>What the fuck are you quoting?
DR> Something Al said...
I already knew that. I just wasn't about to take the god
damned time to read your post full of BBS protocol errors.
DC>Try setting your OLR into doing something that is quotable.
DR> Yessir....
Who the hell are you? Some little freshman highschooler
that just learned how to use a computer? Does your mommy
know that you are typing into an echo that is read world
wide and are making a complete fool of yourself?
DC>I leave it for you _AS_ what was sent above or your lack of
DC>writing skills in using 'as' and capitalizing all of them.
DR> But I didn't write that. Lighten up. You're behaving like a
Of course you didn't. You just plain weren't able to figure
out how to format it properly. Didn't your mommy teach you
anything?
DR> you? Jesus can fix that little problem ya know? The acrimonious
Gues what, dickweek, your god didn't fix your problem with
knowing how to quote. I and the others that pointed that out
to you did.
DR> response you just blasted away with would not even occur to you if you
DR> had the peace in your heart that the Holy Spirit can provide.
Provide the evidence that shows that the 'Holy Spook', Casper
be his name exists.
DR> "think" that speaking in such impertinent and impious terms from behind
DR> a keyboard to people that cannot or will not touch you is a good stress
That's hilarious! The same can be said about your non-existant
god being touted by your ministers.
DR> reliever. Not so. In the long run it only does harm. You are going
to
DR> give yourself a stroke, man.
Only if I keep reading your truly laughable posts.
... It's a fool's errand, which is why we asked you to attempt it.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: MORE GRIST FROM THE W
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:38:14
EID:f57e 224604c0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f927f6
-> On 03 Feb 97 14:14:52, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
AS> Odd. I didnt' think we helped sociopaths, but rather, locked them up.
AS> And in some cases execute them.
DC> Good thing that Galileo got to live, isn't it.
AS> Yes. But of course, he wasn't put under house arrest for being a
AS> sociopath, was he?
By sciopaths, yes.
... I'm Victor of Borg, prepare to be als,,axi,asl, join in!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: native americans
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:47:34
EID:5f9d 224605e0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92a26
-> On 03 Feb 97 23:38:24, David Worrell got back to Dan Ceppa
DW> There is a broad gray area between simple tool use and technology,
DW> IMO. Curry and I simply place the dividing line at different ends of
DW> the spectrum.
DC> I think that the difference is using those tools to make
DC> _other_ tools.
DW> Wherever one places the dividing line, you're going to reach a dead
DW> end real quick without fire.
I guess that goes back to the "big grey area". It seems that
technology is defined by those that are able to control the
most by their technology at any level.
If you think about it, its rather ironic. The Japanese have
made their economic empire based on technology that we in
one form or fashion have provided to them. Yet, to maintain
it, they use components made in countries that are on the
whole sorely lacking in the benefits of that technology.
... Advanced magic is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: No Pain
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:48:56
EID:c435 22460600
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92a78
-> On 03 Feb 97 14:18:20, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> Try doing that with the god that died and still lives
DC> that lied to you about dying.
AS> He didn't lie about dying. He just didn't stay dead. There's a
AS> difference there.
Yes, as it was not a sacrifice in the least.
... Faith: an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Prayer Doesn't Work
|Date: 06 Feb 97 00:53:19
EID:9ac7 224606a0
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 32f92b7f
-> On 03 Feb 97 14:40:12, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
Jd> Cancel your health insurance, and see Beny Hinn.
AS> No thanks.
AS> forsake the minds we have and the advantages we CAN muster would be
AS> to me an insult to the God who created us with those minds.
It would be far better to use it for altruistic that didn't
require a super-friend having to watch over your shoulder
and threaten you if you don't.
... If God told you to kill, would you?
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: ALL
|Sub: Joke
|Date: 30 Jan 97 08:03:00
EID:56c0 223e4060
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
What is the difference between J.F. Kennedy and Nicole Brown?
We aren't 100% certain who killed JFK.
... "Oh, I've GOT to bless HER!" -- Father Dean Martin
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: Theft & Catholicism
|Date: 30 Jan 97 10:26:00
EID:7a69 223e5340
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-=> Quoting Katherine Wintersnight
KW> It has not yet been determined if David is the
KW> God of Good Sex or the God of Bad Sex.
Come to Dragonfest this year and judge for yourself. ;-)
Oops. Wrong David. Never mind.
... Perhaps one of us is PARANOID then eh? - Liar Appleton (the paranoic)
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: DAVE HAMILTON
|Sub: Coward!
|Date: 30 Jan 97 10:28:00
EID:13f1 223e5380
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Dave Hamilton to David Rice <=-
>DR> I went and looked it up. The Oxford English Dictionary
>DR> (OED) defines "atheist" as "One who denies the existance
>DR> of god or gods. Previous: Deist. a'theism. One who denies
>DR> the existance of god or gods." (Why it was redundant I do
>DR> not know).
>DR> Therefore you must have a cheap, off-brand OED.
DH> I'm using my hand-held "Concise Oxford Dictionary, New
DH> Edition" (1993). I find I have to replace them every
DH> 30 years; the duct tape wouldn't hold my '63 together
DH> any more. The title page says, "Eighth Edition (c) 1990."
Ah! I just looked at the "concise" edition: it says exactly
what you said it says. Sheeeish.
... Password for O.J. Simpson BBS: / / / / DEL 2 ESC
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: ED MILLS
|Sub: What the..?
|Date: 30 Jan 97 10:49:00
EID:f6de 223e5620
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Ed Mills to All <=-
EM> This evening I see, on ye olde idiote tube, what
EM> appears to be Alice Cooper schmoozing with Pat
EM> Boone, who is wearing a kind of Nick Barclay-on-PCP
EM> drag. I hear some murmur of a heavy-metal
EM> tour-de-force by Mr. Boone.
Fundy Boone took some "acid rock" so-called "songs" and
reworked them into Big Band-sounding songs. The example
I heard on the news (a Country / Western station) had
a "Guns And Roses" song remade with violines and a harp.
... I enjoy toasting fundies better. Have another Zippo, scarecrow? - M.L.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: ED MILLS
|Sub: Life = 42
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:13:00
EID:52b6 223e59a0
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Ed Mills to David Rice <=-
>DR> Conversely, if the power boat owner's spouse does NOT
>DR> let him take his boat to Florida, I will be shoving
>DR> off to the Marquesas on time, the first or second
>DR> week of April 1997.
EM> Since you are obviously doing this just to see how
EM> many shades of green you can turn me, I suppose I
EM> should try to get a photo scanned so I can file
EM> attach it and maybe you'll consider the job finished
EM> and stop doing this to me. It freaks people out when
EM> I show up at work the color of guacamole. :)
Just don't sue me, please. Thanks. :-)
There's no reason for someone to "envy" me, since I'm
going WAY out on a swinging limb on this. I've given to
charity nearly everything I owned, since I had no place
to put it. I miss my highly expensive bed (cherry wood
spindel); I miss my job (of 12 years); I have no security
at all, no money, no place to put my boat when I come
back, and no future. Nothing enviable here.
At the moment the boat delivery trip from Seattle to
Florida is "70 per cent likely," according to the boat's
owner, Johann. If his ten-million-dollar real estate deal
is completed by then, we'll go.
Second week of April I'll put my boat, _Gerdina,_ into dry
storage at Oceanside, California (a few miles North of San
Diego). Then:
DEPART SEATTLE -- MID APRIL
STOP AT SAN DIEGO
STOP AT CABO SAN LUCAS
STAY OVER LA PAZ 2 WEEKS
STOP AT MANZANILLO
STOP AT ACAPULCO
STAY OVER FLAMINGO BAY, COSTA RICA 2 WEEKS
STOP AT BALBOA, PANAMA
TRANSIT PANAMA CANAL
STOP AT COLON, PANAMA
STAY OVER BELIZE 2 WEEKS
STAY OVER CAYMAN ISLANDS 1 WEEK
STOP AT KEY WEST
STAY OVER FORT LAUDERDALE -- END JULY
Fly from Florida to Southern California on the first or
second of August, and drive to Colorado for Dragonfest.
Hide from all the women who desire me until August 12,
then drive back to Southern Californa.
In mid-August I'll paint the bottom of _Gerdina_ and have
Lyndelle paint eyes on the bow. At the end of August I'll
launch the boat and sail North to the Pedro Channel Islands
until the end of October. These islands are national parks,
which are "The least visited national parks in America."
October 28 the Baja Ha Ha starts. This is a "race" to Cabo
San Lucas, which the magazine "Lattitude 38" more or less
hosts. The "race" is actually one long, 24-hours-a-day
party down to Mexico.
From Cabo San Lucas in late November I'll staggar to the
windward Marquesas, and cruise leeward.
Tomorrow I hope to pick up my reworked jib. With this jib
I'll have two head sails for going down-wind.
... An accommodating vice is better than an obstinate virtue.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: THX-1138 and Louis Wu
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:48:00
EID:a7d2 223e5e00
TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to Dan Ceppa <=-
FR> THX-1138 with Robert Duvall and Donald Pleasence,
FR> directed by George Lucas and musical scores performed
FR> by Lalo Schifrin. They had inplants that allowed the
FR> goverment to shut down motor functions and to monitor
FR> people's emotional state. People were fined for
FR> ditching their medications and for engageing in
FR> unauthorized sex.
The prosecuting attorney: "We can't have these
EROTICS! mixing with normal people! It's SICKENING!
Dis-GUST-ing!"
FR> Of course dissent is "allowed" -- but only not
FR> really. The few rabble rowsers are talkers with big
FR> plans they have no intention of persuing.
Yeah. As the "rebel" gets closer and closer to the exit
from his stark white, bar-less cell, he says (from my
memory: I could be wrong) "It's getting real hot.
It's getting oh so hot Is it getting hot in here?
Is the air going bad? I can't, I can't breathe."
FR> The few
FR> misfits that make it past the infant screening process
FR> are tolerated; one guy thinks he's a hologram -- I
FR> can't recall why.
He was the only black guy left. He came to doubt his own
existance. The truth was blatently obvious because the
first thing he says to THX is "Do you have any food?" What
does a hologram need food for? When he says "I'm a
hologram." he smiles widly and comfortingly, as if to
reassure THEM, but he's trying to reasure himself.
It was cool when THX is in front of his plastic god, he
says "I'm real sick! Confused! I'm, I'm AFRAID!" then
starts retching his guts out because of drug withdraw. All
the while god is saying "Ah! Yes. Yes, yes. Uh huh. Tell
me more. Yes. Yeeees!"
When the "rebel" gets behind the scene (i.e. looks at his
society without its mask), he finds the place where the
plastic god is filmed and recorded. Instead of recognizing
what he's seeing for what it is (a sham), he falls on his
knees and asks how to find his way back to his comfortable
ignorance. He even swears to cease his rebellous thoughts.
Lucas did a good job.
... Belief, believe, believes. Conjugates of the verb "to blindly accept"
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Forbidden Knowledge
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:52:00
EID:5b64 223e5e80
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-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to David Rice <=-
FR> Why do I see zero traffuck in the a.r.s newsgroup?
Your news server might no longer get it. a.r.s. is running
about 200 messages per 24 hours.
FR> BTW: I got the Toyota back from the shop today. It's
FR> been a very expensive week. }:-} The Jeep's repairs
FR> will cost $1,192.00 dollars. I'm thinking I'll use the
FR> Jeep and the Gas Hog as trade-ins, use the $1200
FR> insurance money with the trade-ins as down payments,
FR> and get a brand new Jeep with a towing package.
Oh, joy! A new money pit. Be sure to weigh your boat first
to see if the new Jeep will tow it. :-)
FR> ~*~ the most rationalistic skeptic, the most wicked
FR> and profane and vile, will all one day bow their knees
FR> and proclaim that He is the Lord of all! - Johnny Mckinney
"Any day now!"
... No, but you sure as hell implied it, Gerbil Boy.
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: FREDRIC RICE
|Sub: Survey Again
|Date: 30 Jan 97 11:53:00
EID:5526 223e5ea0
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-=> Quoting Fredric Rice to David Rice <=-
>DR> -- 17.2% in Oregon claim no religion; Washington, 14%;
>DR> Wyoming, 13.5%, Nevada, 13.2%; California, 13%.
FR> It might be a good idea to move to Oregon this year.
It must be the fresh air.
... Jesus' last words: "Oh, SHIT, that fuckin' HURTS!" - Hector Plasmic
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: RICHARD SMITH
|Sub: Sidebar masking . . .
|Date: 30 Jan 97 12:04:00
EID:17ad 223e6080
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-=> Quoting Richard Smith to David Rice <=-
RS> - Area: Holysmoke -------------------------------------
RS> Msg#: 3219-31 Date: 11-04-96 17:15-17:17
RS> From: David Rice Read: Yes Replied: No
RS> To: Various Folks . . . Mark:
RS> Subj: False Christian SCUM! R
RS> Subj: YE SHAN'T RECEIVE E
RS> Subj: apologies B
RS> Subj: EXECUTE HER A
RS> Subj: EXECUTE HER
RS> Subj: sadist god M
RS> Subj: Forwarded Message c
RS> Subj: Natural Selection E
RS> Subj: Fundamentalist! N
RS> Subj: Ken Wiens kill Homos! T
RS> Subj: Pussy little satanist! I
RS> Subj: Contradictions R
RS> Subj: Feeble human cattle E
RS> -------------------------------------------------------
Oh my! How did =THAT= happen?!?!?!?
RS> Is this an ivocation of Ms. McEntire or just a hidden
RS> Satanic Message?
I have NO IDEA how that happened! Maybe Lilith is trying
to tell me something.... I'm just so shocked!
RS> Amazing what boredom will prompt you to find when you
RS> haven't been in HolySmoke for weeks, isn't it?
Almost as amazing as the bordom that prompts one to
insert such a hidden message into the bit stream. :-)
The above technique is not mine, by the way: it was
developed by others here in HOLYSMOKE. I just borrowed
it.
... Pass the Darwin fish and the Necronomicons! -- Glen Todd
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|From: DAVID RICE
|To: SAM FERGUSON
|Sub: Christianity and Scie
|Date: 30 Jan 97 12:07:00
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-=> Quoting Sam Ferguson to David Ragland <=-
SF> I think you misunderstand the conflict between science
SF> & theism. Science is not anti-religion, rather anti-
SF> theism. Your example of the astronomers actually
SF> demonstrated the origin of the myths from which evolved
SF> the various "bibles."
I think you misunderstand the conflict between science &
theism. Science is not anti-religion, nor anti-theism. It
does not address the issue at all. Science is atheistic.
SF> I am of the opinion that scientific discoveries prove
SF> our religious connections with God, while destroying
SF> the historical dogma of the fundamentalist. Actually
SF> politics is the enemy of both.
Science doesn't "prove" anything. That's not its job.
Thank you.
... Heresy n. Freedom of thought.
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|From: Jim Goodman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 05 Feb 97 19:06:00
EID:f767 224598c0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 32f92068
DW>31 Jan 97 21:52, Jim Goodman wrote to Paul Davis:
PD>What happened to causality?
JG>Very good question. I'm new here too. I'll keep looking to see
JG>if there are any plausible discussions along these lines in
JG>this Conference. From a purely philosophical viewpoint it
JG>would seem the question deserves serious thought and
JG>consideration.
DW>Causality is only valid where time exists. Time did not
DW>exist "before" the Big Bang.
That is one way to eliminate a possible Cause for the
Big Bang.
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|From: Jim Goodman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 05 Feb 97 19:15:02
EID:85dc 224599e0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 32f92286
DW>Friday January 31 1997 21:40, Jim Goodman wrote to David Worrell:
JG>Yes. Tricky business. Has anyone yet gotten to the bottom of
JG>the mass of alleged "evidence" for the biblical Jehovah
JG>contained in the diverse writings of the Bible? Are the
JG>writers dependable witnesses and/or just passing on
JG>stories from earlier generations?
DW>I've got a simple rule of thumb I use in cases like this.
DW>Mundane claims are supported sufficiently by mundane evidence.
DW>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So if some guy comes along and tells you "a god" talked to
him or did something or whatever, you are going to want
that "god" personally introduced in the flesh before accepting
the extraordinary claim. Makes sense.
DW>Would I be justified in believing a city named Jericho once
DW>existed simply because it was mentioned in some ancient
DW>literature from the period? To a certain extent, yes. After
DW>all, we do know that humans have tended to congregate
DW>together in cities for quite some time now, and they almost
DW>invariably give these cities names.
True. In my own case I visited the sites of both the city
that existed around the 1st century and the OT site.
DW>Would I be justified in believing that some nomads were
DW>able to knock down Jericho's walls with the help of their god
DW>by marching around the walls a couple of times? No. After all,
DW>I've never seen a god. Have you? I've never seen any event that
DW>could only be explained by the existence of a god. Have
DW>you? I've never seen any real, verifiable evidence of a
DW>god. Have you?
No. I can't say that I've seen a god, much less a god doing
something like having his so-called people (a tribal god at
that) march around a very fortified city a couple times and
cause the walls to crumble. Extraordinary claim on the part
of the biblical writer.
Still, I enjoy reading parts of the bible just from a literary
standpoint. There are some grand myths and legends ("There were
giants and heroes on the earth in those days"), etc. But have
someone come along and say the biblical god is the only god and
is offering a heaven/hell type deal to those who believe in
him, well, another extraordinary claim in need of extraordinary
evidence. I take a wait and see what turns up attitude with
respect to possible "evidence." Attempts I've seen so far are
often at best amusing, at worst disgusting and pitiful. But hey,
I'm open to real evidence if such there is.
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|From: Jim Goodman
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 05 Feb 97 19:22:04
EID:64c3 22459ac0
MSGID: 1:103/550.0 32f9242c
DW>Friday January 31 1997 08:51, Jim Goodman wrote to David Worrell:
DW>Here's a hint, dumbass. What about all the other possible gods?
DW>Don't you think they're gonna be a little pissed that you spent
DW>your life worshipping Jehovah?
DW>The other thing about Pascal's Wager that is flawed is even if on
DW>only regards Jehovah, Jehovah will be pissed himself if you are o
DW>worshipping him to "be on the safe side." After all, he'll know y
DW>don't really give a shit about him...
DW>Yeah, I know. I have yet to see any fundy able to get his
DW>two neurons around the concept I mentioned above, though. I
DWlike to save the advanced concepts until the student has
DW>mastered the basics.
JG>Hmmm...You both make good points here. Does the student
JG>ever master the basics? (especially the fundy).
JG>If I were taking a somewhat opposing position I'd say
JG>the first point above about the other gods being pissed
JG>only holds if they actually exist.
DW>This thread dealt with "Pascal's Wager." The wager goes
DW>something like this: It is better to live your life as if a
DW>god existed and be wrong than to live your life as if no
DW>god existed and be wrong.
DW>The Christians that use Pascal's Abortion as a defense of
DW>their faith always change the little g's into capital G's.
DW>They ignore all the other possible gods that *could*
DW>conceivably exist.
Oops. Just a little oversight I see. Zeus is very pissed
with them now. :)
DW>In the event that no god exists, then the person who lived
DW>their life as if one did has probably missed out on a great
DW>deal.
True. Like enjoying sex. I had a fundy friend who was raised
to believe it was sinful to dance or go to movies. He was
even taught it was sinful to enjoy sexual relations. Sex,
he was taught, was for reproduction only. Sheesh! I can
see this God up there in heaven grumpily looking down at
earth and swatting anyone who is having fun.
DW>Does this answer your objection, or should I try a
DW>different tack? It is almost 5 am here, after all. I can't
DW>be expected to be at my best.
I'd say you did damn good for 5 am.
JG>The second point about Jehovah being pissed because He
JG>knows you are only worshipping Him to win a wager holds,
JG>though. I can't think of a good critique of that one.
DW>No one else has been able to, either.
But then maybe they were all trying at 5 am. :)
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|From: Norman Solomon
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Dyslexia
|Date: 02 Feb 97 16:26:00
EID:1a30 22428340
MSGID: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org aa206eec
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Norman Solomon <=-
Hi David
NS> Promise me this posting is not an example of the full depth of your
NS> interlectual capacity :-^)
DW> Only if you'll promise me that, in the future, you will spell
DW> "intellectual" correctly when attempting to denigrate another's
DW> intellect.
Do you think there is a link then between spelling and intellect?
As you had studied my "sig. file" so closely I assumed you would
know what dyslexia was, sorry my mistake.
Norman
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|From: Norman Solomon
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Bored
|Date: 03 Feb 97 15:06:00
EID:6e34 224378c0
MSGID: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org d8b5c75e
-=> Quoting David Worrell to Norman Solomon <=-
Hi David
DW> I doubt you'll be here any longer than "Patriot" will. We've already
DW> chased onelimey shithead out of here.
Sorry was I supposed to be impressed?
DW> Yeah - Plato, Socrates, and a host of others are totally unknown these
DW> days, aren't they?
Reading your posts they might as well be unknown.
DW> If your kind had burned a few more books, maybe.
Sweeping generalisations, very informative.
What other racist views do you hold?
Why do you get so worked up about people who follow in your view, a non
existant God?
Norman
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|From: Norman Solomon
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Hi I'm new
|Date: 03 Feb 97 15:29:00
EID:2ebc 22437ba0
MSGID: 2:2501/217@fidonet.org 1fd9c2c1
-=> Quoting Rod Swift to Norman Solomon <=-
Hi Rod
RS> Oh my fucking non-God! Another fucking Al :(
How many more years before you get out of high school?
If you are older than at first you seem, don't worry no one will
ever know from postings like this.
Norman
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Ronald Vass
|Sub: Naked Pagan Rituals
|Date: 01 Feb 97 15:41:32
EID:41a6 22417d20
MSGID: 2:250/366.22 32f3b88c
REPLY: 1:221/1503 32EE85B5
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 28 Jan 97, Ronald Vass was discussing
"Naked Pagan Rituals" with me.
Hi Ronald :)
PD>> >> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
PD>> So what do you call someone who has no stance for or against religion
PD>> and someone who actively debunks it?
RV> One who hunts for the truth ?
Hmm, good answer. Many religions purport to have all the answers and therefore
the truth is no longer hunted for I guess.
PD>> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
RV> Does it matter ?
I'd say yes personally. I think a distinction has to be made between those
who
actively oppose theism, and those that couldn't give a toss.
Paul
... "Naked Pagan Rituals", said Ronald while watching the J-E-T-S lose
on TV.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Why do you NEED to be sav
|Date: 01 Feb 97 15:44:48
EID:c6b7 22417d80
MSGID: 2:250/366.22 32f3b950
REPLY: 1:123/67.5 32eec5fa
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 29 Jan 97, Dan Ceppa was discussing
"Why do you NEED to be sav" with me.
Hi Dan :)
GtP>> you will never have the opportunity to find out first hand exactly
GtP>> what it is that makes me "divine".
PD>> You look like him?
DC> Your god has big tits?
All things are possible I guess... even if you haven't got a god.
I was refering to "Divine" the drag artist/singer/actor who died a few years
back.
Paul
... "Why do you NEED to be sav", said Dan as the doctor amputated the
wrong leg
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Jan deBoer
|Sub: Marygoround.
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:20:10
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 30 Jan 97, Jan deBoer was discussing
"Marygoround." with me.
Jd> On 26 Jan 97 04:02:34 Paul Davis wrote to Jan deBoer...
AS>>>> They are the initial conditions of the UNIVERSE, Robert.
RC>>> Not if you suppose a god exists, because then it would be a part of
RC>>> the universe.
PD>>> It depends where you posit the God exists. If the God is defined as
PD>>> setting the initial conditions then it is logical to assume that the
PD>>> God is part of another reality and not the created one.
Jd>> And, who set the initial conditions for the 'reality' where your god
Jd>> exists?
PD>> Another one who immediately assumes that when their logic is questioned
PD>> that the questioner must be a believer in god. When did I say I
PD>> believed in god Jan?
Jd> WHEN or WHERE did *I* say that you said you believed in god??? Are you
"Your" God. Or isn't the word "your" possessive anymore?
Jd> another one who assumes that when their logic is questioned, they can
Jd> put words in the questioners mouth? _YOU_ posited a god as first cause
Jd> of the universe,
No I didn't. I commented on RC's logic about God having to be part of this
universe. I didn't mention him to be the cause at all.
Jd> so I asked you for the cause of 'your' god. I fail to
Again, is "your" possessive or not?
Jd> see where your religious beliefs affect the cause of the universe -
I
Jd> doubt if you're that important!
There you go again assuming I have religious beliefs, but I guess you didn't
mean that did you.....
PD>> The logic in this universe is cause and effect right? What was the
PD>> cause of this universe? Big Bang is not the answer.
Jd> "Big Bang is _NOT_ the answer" sounds like bull from a Papal. How do
Jd> _you know_ that the 'bigga banga' could not embody a first cause??
The onus of proof is on you to prove that it can. How can I prove that
something isn't there?
PD>> That was an event sure, but where did the event come from? Where
PD>> is the cause of the Big Bang?
Jd> No one knows that yet...perhaps we may never know.
PD>> If you state that the universe appeared
PD>> from nothing then there is no first cause and causality breaks down.
PD>> Yet, if someone says that this reality was caused by another you
PD>> immediately demand a first cause for that. Who's logic is at fault
PD>> here???
Jd> Yours. You announce the law of cause and effect, use it to prove the
Jd> universe needs a 'cause' then you pronounce the law of cause and effect
Jd> null and void, to avoid explaining a cause for your god.
"Your" god? Is that possessive or not?
That's not what I did at all Jan as I never mentioned God at all. I stated
that
the logic is cause and effect. When we take this logic back to the beginning
of
the universe it says there is a cause. Where is it? If the universe came
from
nothing then there is no cause. Please feel free to explain how.
PD>> As this universe seems to tell us daily that it is causal what is the
PD>> cause of the universe?
Jd> No one knows the cause - yet. Great for idle philosophers to speculate
Jd> on, but they can speculate for eternity and never make any progress.
Jd> Science will ultimately find the answer, if it is possible to find it.
Jd> In the meantime, science will be hampered as usual by arrogant
Jd> superstitious dolts, the same genre who claimed to know that disease
Jd> was caused by 'evil spirits and sin' and that the universe orbited the
Jd> earth, and who burned alive anyone who had the temerity to disagree
Jd> with them.
Thanks for the anti-religious tirade Jan.... I don't quite see how it is
relevant to the discussion of first cause but there you go....
No-one knows the cause. Please feel free to explain what makes you think
that
science is the only route to finding answers to this question.
Paul
... "Marygoround.", said Jan as he was destoryed in Doom II deathmatch.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: ROBERT CURRY
|Sub: Boom!
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:28:21
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 30 Jan 97, ROBERT CURRY was discussing "Boom!" with me.
Hi Robert :)
PD>>> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
RC>> An "anti-theist?"
RC>> When you put one of those into a room with a theist, are they both
RC>> annihilated as their mass is completely converted to energy?
PD>> I would say no in the case of an Atheist
RC> I wasn't asking about an "Atheist" -- and that would be a member of
RC> American Atheists, right? They're the only ones I'm aware of who
RC> consistently capitalize the word.
I just checked my dictionary and you are correct it's not capitalised. It
shouldn't be capitalised. Sorry for misleading anyone as I wasn't that there
was
a group called American Atheists.
RC> Or is this a tradition among silly Brits, too?
I'm glad you're not my father. Imagine all the opportunities you would have
to
call a child silly because they weren't born with encyclopedic knowledge....
Paul
... "Boom!", said ROBERT as he was sacrificed
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Boom!
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:35:17
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On 30 Jan 97, David Worrell was discussing "Boom!" with me.
Hi David :)
PD>> I would say no in the case of an Atheist because he has no position
on
PD>> God's existence or non-existence.
DW> Really? Define atheist (why do you capitalize it?) and contrast that
Sorry, the capilisation is a mistake.
DW> definition with agnostic.
Agnostic, AFAIK, is someone who believes that the ultimate cause of the
universe cannot be ever known. This also includes belief that any question
cannot be answered with certainty.
Atheism, AFAIK, is someone who has no belief in god.
The contrast: agnostic doesn't deny god, just believes that it can never
be
proven. Fair comment IMO.
Paul
... "Boom!", said David, as he swallowed the Coke can
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: 2 CORINTHIANS 9:13
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:48:43
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 30 Jan 97, David Worrell was discussing "2 CORINTHIANS 9:13" with me.
DW> 26 Jan 97 03:33, Paul Davis wrote to Roger Hunter:
PD>>>> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
RH>>> Weak atheist. I'm willing to be convinced, but it will take
RH>>> extraordinary evidence to do so. Why, do you have some?
PD>> Not in the least. :) Couldn't you be called an agnostic then?
DW> That explains a lot. You don't have a clue what atheism is, do you?
Before I entered this echo I thought I did, but since then I'm finding I
have
to re-evaluate this POV so, yes, you could say I'm a little confused as
to what
atheism is now. I used to understand it as an anti religious stance, but
recently I was posed a question that made me change my mind, and see atheism
as
no stance. Since coming in here, I'm having to change my mind back to my
original idea.
Paul
... "2 CORINTHIANS 9:13", said David, paying extra for "Teddy style".
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:53:20
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 30 Jan 97, David Worrell was discussing "Evidence" with me.
Hi David :)
PD>>>> Whichever way you cut it, both logic and religion demand other realms
PD>>>> of existence.
DW>>> Only to people who have a faulty understanding of what "logic"
DW>>> demands.
PD>> Your logic is that there is no first cause right? Before the universe
PD>> appeared out of nothing there was nothing ie. no first cause? What
PD>> happened to causality?
DW> Causality doesn't apply, dumbass. Without time, "causality" is
DW> meaningless. Time did not exist before the Big Bang.
I see. When didn't time exist? "Before" the Big Bang? Please explain how
it
didn't exist "before" the Big Bang when you have already stated that "time
didn't exist before". I don't understand this at all. You're using time
to say
that time didn't exist before time.
DW> Now don't you feel stupid? You should.
When I'm as stupid as you act then I'll worry.
Paul
... "Evidence", said David, as he was impregnated by a Xenomorph.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: whose mantra?
|Date: 04 Feb 97 17:54:24
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CHRS: LATIN-1 2
On 30 Jan 97, David Worrell was discussing "whose mantra?" with me.
Hi David :)
DW>>> Thanks. You've just placed yourself into the "ill-educated"
DW>>> pigeonhole. Try reading *real* physicists.
PD>> Try thinking that people do read more than one book asshole. Just
PD>> because I've read Capra doesn't mean I haven't read anything else.
DW> Considering that you do not know the difference between atheism and
DW> agnosticism and you also do not know that time began with the Big Bang,
DW> I'm frankly surprised that you can read at all, much less finish one
DW> book.
How constructive....
Paul
... "whose mantra?", said David, as he trapped his testicles in the
honey jar.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Religious comments
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:01:06
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On 31 Jan 97, Rod Swift was discussing
"Religious comments" with me.
Hi Rod :)
RS>> Ok. The world and universe around us tells us very loudly that
RS>> the world is flat. Do you agree?
PD>> Nope. It appears to disappear from view after about ten or so miles
and
PD>> no matter how far I walk I can never get to the edge, and woah! Look!
PD>> I'm back where I started even though I didn't change direction! I
RS> It was an analogy that those with a lack-of-knowledge, and those who
do
RS> NOT want to expand the available data, are destined to think the world
RS> is flat, because that is how it appears.
Agreed.
PD>> Our inability to interpret the evidence properly used to tell us that
PD>> the earth was flat.
RS> My point was those who do not seek expanded data sets are destined to
RS> make erroneous conclusions based on a small pool of data :)
Agreed. (Shit, is this allowed in here??) ;)
RS>>> Or does our knowledge (as it expanded) eliminated
RS>>> flat-earthism? If it does, our knowledge will eliminate your
RS>>> deity!
PD>> Not true.
RS> You just claimed yourself that myths are lost when science replaces
myth
RS> with fact.
That I don't dispute....
RS> Why should your false-deity-construct be any different. We're already
RS> disproving his existence in an observable way :)
"Your"? Not mine Rod. We're disproving god's existence by non-observance
AFAICS. We can't find a god, so there isn't one.
The thing I was contesting was that because we have eliminated some myths
using
scientific knowledge and discovery that this means that all myths would
eventually be disproved. Call it a pedantic comment if you like but I don't
think all answers can ever be found.
Paul
... "Religious comments", said Rod noticing he'd deleted his source
code.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: God came to stay
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:28:53
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On 30 Jan 97, Dan Ceppa was discussing
"God came to stay" with me.
Hi Dan :)
PD>>> If someone told you God was staying at his house, would you want to
PD>>> have a look?
DC>> No, I would prefer that he stayed in his house.
PD>> Why?
DC> At that point, we could burn the house down and see if it was really
a
DC> god.
Test the evidence IOW's. It's not a very good test though. You could set
my
house on fire and I could escape unharmed, but it wouldn't make me a god,
just
lucky. What test could you devise for a god to prove that s/he is or isn't
and
who decides what the conditions are that have to be met?
DC> Even if we didn't go to that extreme, we would be safe in
DC> knowing that that god wasn't out and about causing trouble
DC> for "his" creations.
I can understand that viewpoint if you're talking about the common perception
of Christians as to what god is. I wasn't meaning that god in particular
myself,
just any god.
DC> Care to buy a snapshot of invisible alien spacecraft? There's only
a
DC> few left.
ROTFL, please understand Dan, I'm not trying to make you a believer nor
a
non-believer. I have no idea if god exists or not. All the (lack of) evidence
seems to point to his non-existence I agree, but I always have this nagging
doubt in my mind that it isn't the whole picture when we state something
like
that.
Paul
... "God came to stay", said Dan as he put the message in the wrong
conf.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: 2 CORINTHIANS 9:13
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:12:44
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On 30 Jan 97, Roger Hunter was discussing "2 CORINTHIANS 9:13" with me.
Hi Roger :)
RH>>> ... Belief without evidence is no more than self delusion. ___ Blue
PD>>> Belief with evidence is no longer belief.
RH>> Uh....it's a tag line, Paul.
PD>> I thought it was a comment to do with the post it came from actually.
PD>> Does that make it any more true then being a tagline? ;)
RH> No. The interesting thing is that taglines are chosen at random, yet
RH> they are frequently relevant to the discussion.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It is weird isn't it.
Proof
for god? (only joking ;))
PD>>> Are you an anti-theist or an atheist?
RH>> Weak atheist. I'm willing to be convinced, but it will take
RH>> extraordinary evidence to do so. Why, do you have some?
PD>> Not in the least. :) Couldn't you be called an agnostic then?
RH> Not quite. The strong atheist says "I'm sure there is no God". The weak
RH> atheist says "I don't -think- there's a God". The agnostic says "I don't
RH> know whether there is a God or not".
I'm beginning to think I'm an agnostic. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
Paul
... "2 CORINTHIANS 9:13", said Roger as he realized that his Visor was
a hair barrette.
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|From: Paul Davis
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: 2 CORINTHIANS 9:13
|Date: 04 Feb 97 18:19:33
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On 31 Jan 97, Katherine Wintersnight was discussing "2 CORINTHIANS 9:13"
with
me.
Hi Katherine :)
PD>> That's fair enough. Are there no gods in paganism? I know little of
it
PD>> myself ie. nothing.
KW> Oh, there are gods in neo-paganism. A lot of Gods and Goddesses. The
KW> trick seems to be finding any one definition of just what a 'god' is.
KW> The Pagans will give you definitions that range from something similar
KW> to the xtain god Yahweh (an actual being that moves and shapes physical
KW> events) through a pile of explanations that more or less mean 'we don't
KW> know but *there is* something out there', down to 'deity is the part
KW> within ourselves that we can use to shape our own reality'. Atheism
is
KW> not incompatible with Neo-Paganism--and is rather common. One of the
KW> most common concepts to run across in the various Pagan groups is 'There
KW> Is No One True Way'.
That sounds like quite a fair way of going about things. Everyone has their
beliefs and everyone is allowed to entertain their own beliefs, although,
it
does seem like they are tailoring god to fit their own POV of existence.
I can't
really fault that either until they start enforcing their POV on others
and
claiming it as the truth, or the way. In fact, it sound quite Buddhist in
some
respects.
Paul
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Re: Anthropic asininities.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 20:58:58
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MG> What sort of add-ons would these be. While we hear stories of carrots
MG> and cukes,t he most oft removed vegetable from human orifices in ER's
MG> is the common potato. It is used by the uninformed as a birth control
MG> device.
I knew some people were stupid, but I didn't know that people could be *that*
stupid.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: the pitter-patter of
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:45:00
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DH> KW> This has been around for a while, since well before ol' JP's recent
DH> KW> attempt to crack down on the church. Now, as I understand it, the
DH> KW> priest is still the only one to do the actual ritual--but will do
it
DH> KW> on a dead body if he is told that the person tried to satisfy the
DH> KW> requirement of an attempt to confess and be reconciled.
DH>Ah, yes. I wonder if they modify it at all for wartime, where
DH>they can't get at the dead bodies. Awfully unfair to be killed
DH>in the line of duty but denied escape from purgatory because
DH>of lewd thoughts or something.
Hmmm, now I don't remember where I picked this up, but I have the
impression that a solders going into battle can receive Extreme Unction
before hand, and then as long as he confesses regularly and doesn't
give the priest any notion that he might be in a state of sin he'll be
treated like any other more 'regular' death. I do remember my father
commenting that this was one of the reasons that religion was listed on
the dog tags.
DH> KW> As they
DH> KW> don't even do confession here anymore, this doesn't surprise
DH> KW> me--instead of going into confession, the priest has everyone think
DH> KW> of their sins in silence during the service, and then issues a
DH> KW> blanket pardon. A massive labor saving device, even if they lose
DH> KW> access to all that black mail material
DH>The Anglicans had that one down centuries ago. Everyone says
DH>the equivalent of, "I'm a Sewer! I'm a Sewer! I'm a Great Big
DH>Sewer!" and absolution follows forthwith. They are expected
DH>to present themselves for confession for the really juicy
DH>ones, though.
Confession, either face to face or from the darkness of a booth, is
still available to the catholics--but as I understand it they aren't
expected to show up for that unless they've done something really fun.
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Dave Hamilton
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:45:00
EID:855d 22455da0
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org e9dd8b3a
DH>About a message of Katherine Wintersnight to Ken Young:
DH> KW> Are you afraid that this 'unnatural lifestyle' would be
DH> KW> too attractive to you if you should ever let yourself relax about
it?
DH>It is endemic to fundys not to be able to ask any serious question
DH>and be willing to accept the truth of whatever the answer might
DH>be.
And Ken is behaving true to form as a nearly stereotypical xtian
pathogen .
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Theft & Catholicism
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:45:00
EID:8729 22455da0
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DW>31 Jan 97 15:01, Katherine Wintersnight wrote to David Worrell:
DW> DW>> In all probability. Being a Small Dicked Misogynist, though, I
DW> DW>> rarely let such things bother me. :)
DW> KW> It's a shame you can't be built like a Twinkie,
DW>Who says I'm not? :)
You're a tender sponge cake??!!??!!
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|From: Katherine Wintersnight
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:45:00
EID:5cb3 22455da0
MSGID: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 86b86fef
KY> KW>