God Damned Fundies!
|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lynda Bustilloz
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 01 Feb 97 12:57:20
EID:e022 22416720
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2cd30
* On 17-01-97 at 20:59, LYNDA BUSTILLOZ wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
LB> Rod and George were killing time yakking about Our Daily Bread:
LB> GM> gmooth@sprynet.com
LB> oooohhh! An email address!!!!
Yes, I'm getting orgasmic over that :)
Rod "...woowoo! I could send all sorts of stuff :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Velcronomicon: A magick book that sticks with you
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Zulu harvest festival
|Date: 01 Feb 97 12:59:22
EID:9b2e 22416760
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* On 19-01-97 at 03:52, PATRIOT wrote to GLEN TODD,
on the topic of "Zulu harvest festival" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> FR> ~*~ "He'd ask me if I'd ever let anyone screw my
PA> FR> daughter when she was
PA> FR> that young, and I said, 'No, She's only nine
PA> FR> years old.' He asked me
PA> FR> if she started developing [breasts] or if she had any hair
down
PA> FR> there. I said 'Nooo...' he even asked me if
PA> FR> pussy was real tight or
PA> FR> not... sometimes he used the word cunt... 'I can picture my
cock
PA> FR> going in and out of a pussy like that,' he said... I didn't
know
PA> FR> what to say. I though, 'This man's got to be sick."
PA> FR> -- Debra Murphree detailing Jimmy Swaggart's
PA> FR> interest in her 9 year old daughter.
PA> FR> (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
PA> GT> Now _there's_ Christian family values for you.
PA> Yeah, and _there's_ a reputable source for you.
You didn't disprove the evidence, however.
Rod "...so it stands" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: The impact of pig's wings on lingustics
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Most Read Book
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:01:24
EID:e4bb 22416820
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2ce24
* On 19-01-97 at 13:17, PATRIOT wrote to FREDRIC RICE,
on the topic of "Most Read Book" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> Actually, according to the Supreme Court (US vs. Trinity
PA> Church) America is indeed a Christian nation.
Can you please cite the case number and year of this decision,
and further, a quotation from the decision that supports this
statement?
Thank you :)
PA> And if you do your homework, you will discover most of the
PA> foundign father of the USA, were Christians..
Wrong. They were specifically deists who believed in separation
for the benefit of both the state and religions.
Rod "...you're a fool, Patriot." Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:08:26
EID:803a 22416900
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2cfca
* On 21-01-97 at 18:53, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> JH> It's also right next door to the only Scientology Mission in
PH> JH> Houston.
PH> RS> Patrick and Dale-Ann are down near Fondren, about 3 miles from
PH> RS> Fuzzy's. You should hear some of the things we've done to the
PH> RS> Scienos there :)
PH> It'd be nice if J.J. could here them from the staff that were there
on the
PH> day I turned 40, but alas, they seem to have been RPFed. (They could
at
PH> least pedal to the org -- beats running around a pole all day, any time.
:-)
RICE AND BEANS!!!! :) RPF for fun and prophet! :)
PH> RS> Rod "...ahh, I remember the day they were photographing the
PH> RS> licence plates of each and ever car in the carpark to try and
PH> RS> find out who we are :)" Swift ;)
PH> Come to think of it, we may rent a car next time...
No... We'll catch a bus down :) I'm sure METRO would love to be
accused as governmental conspirators :)
PH> --PLH, how many free NOTS come with a car rental from Alamo?
NUTS! :)
Rod "...hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Atheism: A non-prophet organisation
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: alternative views
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:11:28
EID:bc5b 22416960
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d080
* On 21-01-97 at 18:56, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "alternative views" in echo Holysmoke:
RS> I thought it was pepperoni and extra cheese on his Tombstone(tm).
RS> Rod "a Fuzzy's clam pizza for your thoughts?" Swift
PH> No, no, no...they're STILL slightly enturbulated over the last one served
PH> at Fuzzy's. (The clams next door, I mean. Fuzzy is still happy, because
PH> he's got us for customers -- and we can afford a bit more than the
PH> occasional iced tea that the clams seem to specialize in...:-)
RS> They specialise only in the iced tea??? Doesn't the El Ron Cult
RS> pay enough? *guffaw*!
PH> Fuzzy would -love- to have a few more customers with purchasing power,
but
PH> dammit, he just won't take the "free stress test" the clams have been
PH> hawking for the last couple of months. :-)
ROFL!!!!
PH> PH> --Patrick L. "godless heathen *and* SP 3" Humphrey
PH> RS> For the benefit of the echo, you might want to publish the ARSCC
PH> RS> Suppressive Person Rank list :)
PH> I'll have to dig it up when time permits at work.
Please do. I believe I'm SP4 at the moment, having received a
KKKobragram! :)
PH> RS> Rod "...i.e. what distinguishes and SP2 from an SP3 or SP4" Swift
:)
PH> Well, being a critic -- even as much as posting an article to
PH> alt.religion.scientology critical of the cult -- gets you the SP 1 award.
PH> The clams have reacted to my presence *or* something I've posted, thus
I'm
PH> an SP 3, at present -- but that *&^%$#@! 'Ho never sent me any e-mail
PH> threatening me with legal action because I asked for a legal copy of
NOTS,
PH> so I'm still striving to make SP 4, someday...
The 'Ho has sent me email ::) :) :) :)
PH> --PLH, my bets are on Grady Ward to make SP 8 -- sue the bastards and
win
I hope so too!
Rod "...and get punitives that can be enforced against them,
rather than them making a part of the church insolvent like in
the Wollersheim case" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Gun Control: The ability to drop a fundie at 500 yards
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Faith And Healing
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:13:30
EID:803a 224169a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d0fa
* On 21-01-97 at 19:02, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Faith And Healing" in echo Holysmoke:
PH> PH> JH> Let me know when. Fuzzy's is only a mile or two from here.
PH> PH> It's just a hair short of two miles from where Dale
PH> PH> and I live, too. (If I
PH> PH> remember right, when we had the little conference at Genghis Khan,
we
PH> PH> hadn't yet moved over here right behind Sharpstown Giant Parking
Lot.)
PH> RS> I thought it was about 2-3 miles from Dale-Ann the Devious and
PH> RS> Patrick the Godless Heathen :)
PH> Trust me...I've pedaled up there far too many times to -not- know how
far
PH> it is. (Actually, though, it's 1.95 miles if I'm -not- suicidal and
take
PH> the safe route up Crossview, but 1.81 if I go for broke and dash up
PH> Fondren. :-)
Ooooh... You mindless speed-demon :) I wonder if Racky knows
these routes :) :)
PH> RS> As a matter of honour and respect, I don't disclose ages :) Oh,
PH> RS> except to Allen Newton, and only to rile him up :) :)
PH> Let's just say that my next birthday will be of interest to Douglas
Adams
PH> fans. :-)
Yes. It's the answer :) :) My last birthday was the one for
dyslexic Adams' fans :)
PH> PH> --Patrick L. "Grumpy Old Man in training" Humphrey
PH> RS> You're not grumpy. If you were truly grumpy, you'd have had the
PH> RS> entire crowd lynching us at the Solar Bears v Aeros game :)
PH> The way we have the crowd going this season, it could be done --
PH> fortunately, the Solar Bears have made their three visits to town, so
PH> you're off the hook. :-)
Damn. :) We will have to fly you to Orlando :) :)
PH> RS> Rod "...who recently cancelled return tickets to the US because
PH> RS> of the up-in-the-air nature of the Baehr v Miike appeal :(" Swift
:)
PH> Ouch...and just when we decided -not- to spend the coming weekend in
Utah
PH> watching that certain hockey team of ours play there. Instead, we'll
have
PH> to rile the folks in Cleveland in April. :-)
PH> --PLH, a six-by-eight foot Texas flag oughta do it...
No. A very large copy of the NOTS on a bedsheet should do... :) :)
Rod "...then we can all be New Operating Thetans" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Lying Jones Scum
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:14:32
EID:cdee 224169c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d138
* On 21-01-97 at 19:08, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lying Jones Scum" in echo Holysmoke:
FR> ~*~ Just shut up and sit back down and ride the bus like the rest of
us.
FR> - Patrick Humphrey
RS> I'd sorely love to know the context of this one, Fredric or
RS> Patrick :)
PH> Don't ask me...I'm a Method actor for the part of Grumpy Old Man, remember?
PH> :-)
Damn. :) :)
PH> --PLH, I hope -someone- can tell me if that quote is archived at Deja
News,
PH> though...
I will have a looky looky :)
Rod "...hehehehe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: The impact of pig's wings on lingustics
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patrick Humphrey
|Sub: Balanced treatment.
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:16:34
EID:4e49 22416a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d1b2
* On 21-01-97 at 19:09, PATRICK HUMPHREY wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Balanced treatment." in echo Holysmoke:
RS> That's it, you and 'partner' are invited to my wedding too :)
RS> Rod "...that's another two Houstonites coming along!" Swift
PH> A*hem*. Dale and I are _Houstonians_. Houstonites
PH> come down here from up
PH> north. Houstonians grow from the ground up. (Or something like that.)
RS> Oh, right... :) So, what does that make Dakotans? *wink*
PH> I don't know, but considering Dale's family, I don't think I want to
find
PH> out, either. :-)
Oh, ho ho ho! *waves to Dale*
PH> PH> --PLH, how many people wanna ride up for the wedding
PH> PH> in the back of the Red
PH> PH> Menace?
PH> RS> Woowoo! JJ in the Red Menace? hahaha :) Perish the thought.
PH> RS> How are things going over there for you and Dale, Patrick?
PH> Just muddling through the usual routines, while awaiting the arrival
of our
PH> first grandson -- any day now...
Oh my. Squeezing out another grandchild :) :) Soon you will be
constantly travelling 'up north' to see them.
That is, they will be forcing the rerouting of funding from
essential out-of-state Aeros fandom travel to family travel.
SACRILEGE :)
PH> RS> Rod "...it's just too hot here right now in Oz" Swift :(
PH> It's only going to get up to 24 C here tomorrow. The Ice Age is back
upon
PH> us.
PH> --PLH, it beats the -20C up in Dale's old neighborhood...
Oh, I think that'd be nice :)
Rod "...it's boiling and 44C today" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If you choke a Smurf, what colour does it turn?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Rick Mcfarlane
|Sub: More grist for your mill
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:16:36
EID:3cbf 22416a00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d1b4
* On 21-01-97 at 08:08, RICK MCFARLANE wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "More grist for your mill" in echo Holysmoke:
RM> Good morning, ROd.
RM> I hope you didn't miss this.
RM> LA> Good for you then. We need more like that. Incidentally
RM> LA> my daughter married a man who was born in Holland and whose
RM> LA> parents migrated to Australia. He is a fine man and has been
RM> LA> a good husband. Does the name Van Leeuwen, sound like a
RM> LA> typical "stubborn Hollander"? :-) He is also a sincere and
RM> LA> dedicated Christian and Creationist!
RM> Take care.
No, I didn't :)
The research hounds will be sniffing out some info :) :)
Rod "...hope to get some results for you soon" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Jesus Christ Super Fraud. The Musical!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:20:38
EID:cdaf 22416a80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d2a6
* On 22-01-97 at 01:59, DAVID WORRELL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
DW> 20 Jan 97 00:41, Rod Swift wrote to All:
DW> RS> The idea was spawned by flea market operator Leonoso
DW> RS> Canales, who told the San Antonio Express-News, "I see
hell
DW> RS> in hello. It's disguised by the o, but once you see it,
it
DW> RS> will slap you in the face."
DW>
DW> I guess we can no longer go to the beach to collect
DW> seashells, either. We'll have to collect seasheavens, now.
A-yep!
DW> Somebody ought to send this moron a list of all the words
DW> containg the word "hell."
I can get a list later from the user dictionary online :)
DW> I wonder how he feels about the contraction of "He will?"
Oh, he'aven be really annoyed :)
Rod "...heheheeh" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Clean mind, clean body. Take your pick.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jan Deboer
|Sub: Colorado again... 1/
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:21:40
EID:5db7 22416aa0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d2e4
* On 22-01-97 at 11:50, JAN DEBOER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Colorado again..." in echo Holysmoke:
JD> How in the name of Cthulu is one individual able to stick taxpayers
with
JD> the costs of running such a referendum plus the ensuing court battles,
JD> when anyone with an ounce of grey matter can see that such blatant
JD> discrimination is doomed from the start?
And the taxpayers of Colorado should be outraged because they're
not only paying the multi-million-dollar legal bill of the state,
but also the plaintiffs too.
Rod "...because they lost :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself.
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Fat People
|Date: 01 Feb 97 13:26:42
EID:57d4 22416b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f2d412
* On 19-01-97 at 08:16, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to BRIAN SHREVE,
on the topic of "FAT PEOPLE" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Brian Shreve spoke thusly to Marilyn Burge <=-
JB> BS> most cases of homosexuality is in the genes, and not a choice.
JB> BS> (And nope, I'm not fat or gay or bisexual. I'm just a mental case.
JB> I'm waiting for the day we get the perfect target for all of us...
JB> a fat, gay, black, Jewish, Republican fundamentalist.
Paul Boyer is not fat or black :) :)
Rod "...ducking for cover" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The best prophet of the future is the past
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Black lipstick
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:39:44
EID:9776 22426ce0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f428a0
* On 18-01-97 at 07:30, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to GWENNY THE POOH,
on the topic of "Black lipstick" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> Try PUPPY MILLS. After the raid in Washington state, that's even more
JB> disgusting. (250 dogs SURVIVED, 77 pups between the ages of 3 and 6
weeks
JB> with no way of telling which mother belonged to which pups, ears on
JB> so-called fighting breeds not just cropped but cut off...with scissors.)
And we can't forget that Houston-area Puppy Mill for Jesus --
can we... :(
Rod "...all those few months back" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: archives
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:43:46
EID:3e32 22426d60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42992
* On 14-01-97 at 16:25, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "archives" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> I'm looking for archives of the stupidest, most illogical and/or the
JB> most repugnant posts to hit this echo. (In the last year only, please,
I
JB> don't have THAT much space.)
Should set up a webpage... Worst of the month :) :)
Rod "...what a great idea"! Swift!
* OLX 2.1 TD * Arachnohomophobia: Fear of gay spiders
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Becke, slave to satan
|Date: 02 Feb 97 13:46:48
EID:8abc 22426dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42a48
* On 21-01-97 at 17:15, AL SCHROEDER wrote to GEORGE MOOTH,
on the topic of "Becke, slave to satan" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> GM> BTW, what is the answer to my question. Whne will you choose to
be
AS> GM> free and not a slave to satan?
AS> George, I'm a believer. I've been terminally bored with what you have
AS> spammed us with over the years, but I AM a believer. And I have a question
AS> for you.
AS> Do you think such an approach will win ANYONE, much less an unbeliever,
AS> to your side? Whether you think it is the truth or not, from Becke's
point
AS> of view, who believes in neither God nor Satan, your question is as
silly
AS> as her asking you when you will stop being a slave to Loki? Nor is
it
AS> couched in such a way that would encourage her to come to you...especially
AS> since she has a history of abuse and neglect by the church she was
brought
AS> up in?
You're false Loki scum, Al... That's it :)
Rod "...ping!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Chris Green
|Sub: Chris Green
|Date: 02 Feb 97 14:06:50
EID:c10e 224270c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f42efa
* On 20-01-97 at 14:03, CHRIS GREEN wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Chris Green" in echo Holysmoke:
[Maureen wrote:]
CG> They are going to knock out all of the trigeminal (sp?) nerve and remove
CG> one of a series of growths from his brain, the others cannot be worked
CG> on.
CG> He will have to learn how to use the right side of his head, the eye,
CG> eyelid, mouth, tongue, chewing, moving the neck, moving the shoulder.
CG> There will be a large hole in the roof of his mouth. There will be
CG> damage to his eyes.
CG> Having read the rubbish in this packet, I suggest you talk about the
CG> right of the individual to choose when they want to die, and the
CG> available ways of doing so.
I am a 100% supporter of any person's right to end their life in
whatever humane manner they should choose.
The Northern Territory of Australia currently has a right-to-die
act for terminal or suffering patients. The method by which one
seeks to end their life is to receive the approval of three
medical practitioners. One must be a recognised psychologist to
assess the mental composure and desire of the person wishing to
end their life. Another must be a recognised specialist
medical practitioner who is an expert in the field of treatment
of the ailness.
If there are all three signatures present, the patient can choose
to exercise the choice to die at any time.
There have now been three people who have ended their life under
the Northern Territory Right to Die laws.
And this is the reason I support the right to die being allowed.
It is not an automatic right to terminate life, it is regulated.
It is *strictly* regulated so that it can only be achieved for
compassionate grounds of terminally ill patients suffering daily
miserable conditions.
I support the right-to-die for terminally ill patients because
they should have the choice to end their pain in a dignified
manner.
Currently most nations and states on Earth compel patients to
endure months or years of torturing pain rather than respect the
rights of these patients.
And the majority of the reasons why most don't respect the right
to die is because of sanctimonious religious belief systems.
Rod "...compassion costs nothing" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * That tagline is *true* ---> <--- That tagline is *false*
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 02 Feb 97 14:27:52
EID:0844 22427360
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f433e8
* On 21-01-97 at 19:44, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> DC> Satan, unlike your god, never lies in the bible. It's your god
JF> DC> that is the two-faced liar.
JF> Let me guess, you suffered some deep psychological trauma
JF> when your were a kid. That's the only reason you'd attack
JF> people for no good reason other than to sound high and
JF> mighty.
I like this, Jonathan. You Christian-hypocritical-types like to
claim this "traumatic" background of everyone different to you.
It's used against different people, people who rebel from your
religion, people who are non-Christian yet religious, people who
are Christian yet have differing doctrinal views, etc, etc, etc.
Have you ever considered that the truth is that we've actually
never had any traumatic experiences, and it is the Christians
that have? I note that virtually every Christian I have met has
had some form of tyrannical abuse against them, or tortuous
childhood, or mental abuse from a spouse... and have been
weakened and worn down and lost all hope.
Rod "...of course you've not considered it" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Arachnohomophobia: Fear of gay spiders
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 02 Feb 97 15:30:54
EID:0844 22427bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f442ae
* On 21-01-97 at 19:48, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> JF> Finally, you say something right.
JF> DC> Gee, I'm so "honored" by your approval that I could just shit.
JF> DC> To bad you still intend on interfering with the girl's choice.
JF> Now would you please stop using crude, immature language here!?
Fuck off, dear, that's a good boy :)
JF> I read that previous message about swearing, and quite frankly you
JF> seem to be the worst excuse for a human being there is.
Judge not, lest you be judged, fuckwit.
JF> You seem to yell at people for no other reason than to keep
JF> an over-inflated ego, and most of what you shout isn't even
JF> true or proveable. I wouldn't let any children near you...
JF> you'd scare them off!
I wouldn't let any children near you, save that they be infected
with your mental disorder of religion.
JF> Advising isn't necessarily "interference." If I advise a
JF> woman not to go through with an abortion, that doesn't mean
JF> I'm insisting. If she went through with it anyways, I
JF> would leave her be.
Actually, it is interference unless your opinion is asked.
interfere: 1. to interpose, especially meddlesomely or unwarrant-
edly; intervene
2. to come between or in opposition; hinder; obstruct
The unasked and meddlesome advice into the affairs of another is
interference. If you don't like the definition, change the
dictionary :)
JF> DC> The girl has a right to the facts of the matter. Not the rhetoric
JF> DC> from "Pro-life", but of the actual facts. She can then make a
JF> DC> proper decision.
JF> The facts involve opinions from BOTH sides, not yours
JF> only nor mine only. A woman has the right to make her own
JF> choice, but she should remember what she's giving up with
JF> either choice.
So she has the right to make a decision, but has no right to
choose to seek information or not?
Rod "...your compulsory interference in the lives of others is so
typically Christian. :(" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality.
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jonathan Fingas
|Sub: Hypocritical people
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:50:00
EID:0844 22433e40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52828
* On 22-01-97 at 21:26, JONATHAN FINGAS wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "Hypocritical people" in echo Holysmoke:
JF> DC> Let me state: You are a fundy fool and revel in the shit you
JF> DC> strew.
JF> By the way, you know how you said changing peoples' words
JF> can get you kicked out of this forum? Well excessive (and
JF> very pointless) profanity is another.
Are you so sure? I thought impersonating a moderator would be
much more severe... :)
And you are wrong, anyway:
===========================================================================
BBS: The Perth Omen
Date: 22-01-97 (19:38) Number: 2550
From: STYX ALLUM Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Conference Guidelines Conf: (16) Holysmoke
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Re: HOLYSMOKE Echo Guidelines
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[...snip...]
Rules to Follow:
[1] Please refrain from attempting to force your ideas on others,
or to be deliberately disruptive in the echo.
Those who engage in such activity may find their feed to this
echo terminated.
[2] As is customary in echomail, private messages are not allowed.
[3] If you wish to post messages on this echo please try to keep
your comments and ideas on a rational level. This will help
to facilitate an open and free flowing dialogue.
Please refrain from entering statements like:
"I know I'm right and everyone who thinks otherwise is stupid!"
or
"You're gonna burn in hell if you don't accept god."
Such messages only serve to irritate others, and do little
more than to raise the noise level of the echo.
[4] Attempt to quote only relevant text, in order to make your
messages more legible, and to lessen the burden on those
who pay to move each byte posted in this conference.
[5] Deliberate censorship of wording contained within a quote
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Nothing in there about the use of profanity, as far as I can see.
I'm sure that Styx will inform you if you are correct or not. I
would not presume to speak for him.
JF> JF> How is non-religiousness better? Non-religiousness only promotes
JF> DC> When was the last time someone was murdered at a abortion clinic
JF> DC> by an atheist?
JF> As I keep saying (and you keep ignoring), those are the
JF> fanatics that let their personal emotions override the
JF> actual teachings they claim to adhere to.
Your bible teaches, in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, to kill gay
people and that their deaths shall not be your responsibility.
Have you allowed your personal emotions to override that
teaching that you claim to adhere to?
When was the last time you killed a fag for Jesus (Lev 20:13),
Molech worshippers (Lev 20:2), people who curse their parents
(Lev 20:9), adulterers with another's wife (Lev 20:10) or with
the wife of the person's father (Lev 20:11) or a daughter-in-law
(Lev 20:12), marrying a woman and her mother (Lev 20:14),
bestialists (Lev 20:15 and 20:16 and don't forget to kill the
animal)...
Then again, when was the last time you ran someone out of town
for having sexual relations with their wife while she was having
her period? (Lev 20:18)
Or have you dispensed with such things because "you let your
personal emotions override the actual teachings" that you claim
to adhere to?
JF> Atheists have it "easy," so to speak; they have no beliefs,
JF> and so no reason to get worked up.
Actually, we have ethics which don't require any *invisible*
means of support, i.e. greater beings to spank us.
JF> DC> What, that your religion is a bigotted piece of shit? The
JF> DC> evidence for that would be in front of your face if you
JF> DC> ever got your head out of your ass.
JF> Bigoted!? AS I KEEP SAYING, the fanatics, not the
JF> religion, are intolerant.
See above. I have proven your religion intolerant. The fact
that you show tolerance is *un*Christian of you. You should
learn to be more hateful like your bible not only commands, but
expects.
JF> Who's calling who the bigot? You're the one who is
JF> totally intolerant of Christianity and religion in general.
Nice fundie shuffle. Do you do the fundie tango and two-step too?
JF> DC> Yep, a Christian.
JF> Christianity does not equal evil. If it did, then every
JF> non-Christian on this planet would be dead or converted!
No. Christianity does equal evil. It does, because every
non-Christian on this planet *is* being subjected to persecution
by Christians.
Or do you deny that Christianity is being used to destroy
cultures and other religions in the developing world?
Rod "...Christianity should be eliminated, now!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: grrr
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:24:02
EID:59e7 22433b00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52212
* On 21-01-97 at 21:46, ED MILLS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "grrr" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> 19 Jan 97: another heap o' yappin' from Rod Swift to Ed Mills:
EM> EM> I hurried myself to the local Dumbshit Redneck Accoutrement
EM> EM> Shoppe, where I procured the medium-sized chrome-plated-naked-
EM> EM> centerfold silhouette. Attached upside-down over the fish
EM> EM> silhouette, it irritated practically everyone who pulled
up
EM> EM> behind me in the incredibly cerebral town of Roseburg.
EM> RS> You should have ordered one of those metallic Darwin Fish ... the
EM> RS> fish with legs. Optional words include "DARWIN" inside the fish.
EM> We got 'em here. Also have some stickers which have the international
EM> circle-slash superimposed on the xtian fish.
EM> And the thumpers responded with a bumpersticker which depicts an
even
EM> larger holy fish eating the Darwin fish. Gonna be pretty hard to
EM> respond to that. Their irrationality is a great tactical advantage.
EM> Calvinball!
No... Then you need the SCIENCE SHARK :)
Rod "...praise Jesus.... *chomp" Swift :)
EM> --- PPoint 2.00
EM> * Origin: St. Vitus's Dance Studio (1:105/24.12)
* OLX 2.1 TD * First rule of intelligent tinkering: Save all the parts
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Hard up Hardy
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:26:04
EID:2871 22433b40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5228c
* On 22-01-97 at 19:47, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Hard up Hardy" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> RS> Oh, do you have to? :( It'd be so much easier if you didn't...
:)
AS> But...but...that's not what you said last NIGHT! (sniff!)
Yes it was.
AS> AS> And I bowl with my right hand, for instance.
AS> RS> You leaner either way, you :)
AS> Just call me...dramatic pause...versitile.
Versatile is being top or bottom, not a player for both teams.
AS> AS> You have to take Jim with a grain of salt. He is not
AS> AS> quite as reactionary as you might think.
AS> RS> I've been able to get some quite nasty reactions out of him. I
AS> RS> don't know why. Maybe it's because he has some sort of
AS> RS> deep-seated desire...
AS> He's a grandfather. If he's repressed, it seems to be pretty far...
I fear for any male children he may have, then :)
Rod "...no further comment" Swift
* OLX 2.1 TD * Could crop circles be the work of a cereal killer?
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Satanism
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:27:06
EID:b433 22433b60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f522ca
* On 22-01-97 at 21:45, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Satanism" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> AS> Never. I've heard it's good, but I've never gotten
AS> AS> AS> around to watching Red Dwarf.
AS> AS> RS> That's because you've probably got lost near Nodnol. My fave
AS> AS> RS> episode was "Srdawkcab"
AS> AS> Thanks for the recommendation!
AS> RS> You are welcome.
AS> What's your favorite B5 episode?
Believers. Nothing like having a doctor usurp and destroy the
religion of a young child for the sake of his own religion.
Rod "...but I guess it parallels the Christian faith so" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: U don't push a women
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:30:08
EID:1356 22433bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52380
* On 22-01-97 at 22:04, AL SCHROEDER wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "U don't push a women" in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> Yeah? Rod, let me know the URL and I'll link it to my
AS> AS> website. And did you
AS> AS> know there is now a HolySmoke Web Ring?
AS> RS> Please don't for now :)
AS> Snob. It's because I'm a breeder, isn't it! Isn't it?? Tell the
AS> truth....(Just kidding...)
Actually, that is the prime reason. Not kidding. I do not wish
to have my page associated with you.
AS> RS> No, this is my real name. Any person finding anything out of the
AS> RS> conjunction of the two names has a "sick" mind.
AS> That's me.
And this is a secondary reason I do not wish to have my page
associated with you.
AS> AS> No offense meant (especially if that IS your real name). And
I still
AS> AS> want the URL...and drop by mine and tell me what you think!
AS> RS> It is my real name, and yes, I do take offense. :)
AS> Well, the best defense is a good offense....
And this is a tertiary reason I do not wish to have my page
associated with you.
If I do find that you remain linked, I will change the URL, and
remove all references to my surname, hence making an Altavista
search impossible. Not kidding.
Rod "...I don't forgive, remember?" Swift :(
* OLX 2.1 TD * Found God? What, have you lost him *again*?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:32:10
EID:20c9 22433c00
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f523fa
* On 22-01-97 at 15:27, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> Moderator: GAY_FAITH
Interesting. Tell me more. Is that a gay Holysmoke? :)
Rod "...hehehe" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Save the whales. Collect the whole set!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Josef Berg
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:33:12
EID:20c9 22433c20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52438
* On 22-01-97 at 15:37, JOSEF BERG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> GM>> A BAD PRAYER THAT'S GOOD
JB> GM>> IN PRAYER, GOD HEARS MORE THAN WORDS -
JB> GM>> HE LISTENS TO YOUR HEART.
JB> ...What I can't understand in all of this Christian nonsense is this:
it is
JB> claimed that God is omnipotent; that he knows all, sees all. Then what
is t
JB> purpose of prayer other than to accentuate one's selfishness?
To accentuate one's selfish desire for a God to perform like a
seal at a zoo, and to reinforce the delusion that something might
come true.
Rod "...and hence bolster a faith that is based on a lie" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * REALITY.SYS corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Christian's secret weakn
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:36:14
EID:8f9f 22433c80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f524ee
* On 23-01-97 at 13:47, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Christian's secret weakn" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 19 Jan 97 13:16:12, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> RS> * On 15-12-96 at 09:26, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
DC> ..... ^^
DC> I see you are getting a bit closer to being current. You are
DC> only about a month behind.
But the good thing about catching up that 3 month-backlog over
about 2 months is the fact that I selectively scanned packets,
rather than reading and replying to damn near every message like
Al B does...
Be fearful if Al B ever gets behind in reading Fight-O-Net :)
We'd be able to have an upload of thousands of replies, each at
least 20 paragraphs long :)
Rod "....arrgggghh!!!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Famous graffitti: Please don't write on the -- oops!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Creationists on trial!
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:37:16
EID:1923 22433ca0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5252c
* On 23-01-97 at 13:49, DAN CEPPA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Creationists on trial!" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 17 Jan 97 06:49:00, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> DC> RS> A BIZARRE courtroom battle over whether God or evolution
DC> DC> RS> was responsible for human beings will be played out in
DC> RS> I'll try and find a verdict in the case if it is online. It
DC> RS> happened in New South Wales, so there may be an online copy of
it
DC> Any news on the trial yet?
No. But I'll keep an ear to the ground. Might have to find some
email addresses (I think Plimer has one) and write to them :)
Rod "...heheheeh" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Velcronomicon: A magick book that sticks with you
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Lee Woofenden
|Sub: Why don't we see God[sic
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:41:18
EID:6f02 22433d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5261e
* On 22-01-97 at 10:30, LEE WOOFENDEN wrote to JAN DEBOER,
on the topic of "Why don't we see God[sic]" in echo Holysmoke:
LW> And in the very same chapter:
LW> Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory."
Cor!!!
Moses likes the gutted Ewok! :) :)
Rod "...Bing!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: .
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:41:20
EID:1b6c 22433d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52620
* On 22-01-97 at 08:01, AL SCHROEDER wrote to LYNDA BUSTILLOZ,
on the topic of "." in echo Holysmoke:
AS> AS> When it comes to pies, I prefer lemon meringue anyway...
AS> LB> A real Sourpuss, eh? ;)
AS> Also, last I heard, there were no lemon-flavored laxatives, which seems
to
AS> be one of the main ingredients of the chocolate pie proferred by the
AS> Triple Goddess of #irc...
Don't you mean:
"...last I tasted"?
Rod "...here, have some pie, Al" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Hey fundie! Why can't your mind be as open as your mouth?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:54:22
EID:f3fc 22433ec0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f5292e
* On 22-01-97 at 01:58, PATRIOT wrote to DAVID WORRELL,
on the topic of "Cracker Barrel boycott" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> DW> 19 Jan 97 13:22, Patriot wrote to Fredric Rice:
PA> P> Besides, it isn't as if Christians are the only ones against
PA> P> homosexuality..
PA> DW> Yeah, and it isn't as if Nazis are the only ones
PA> DW> against Jews, either, right?
PA> Well, I must say, you must have a pretty good imagination
PA> to come up with an analogy like that.. There is a bit of a
PA> difference between Christians and Nazis,
... both are Christian...
PA> ... as well as between gays and Jews.
... both are persecuted by Christians of some sort ...
I cannot see why you complain about the analogy of Nazis
persecuting Jews, to Christians persecuting gay people.
In fact, have you seen most of the propaganda that is put out
about gay people by Christians? The myths that gays "recruit"
and "want your children" and are "well-off" are not so dissimilar
to the myths perpetrated to stir up hatred of Jews.
And the fact that Christians are willing to lie so that they can
dehumanise gay people and cause false witness -- well -- that's
obvious. The Christian nazis did that of Jews.
Rod "...it is analogous" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Never attribute to malice that which stupidity explains
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Patriot
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 03 Feb 97 07:59:24
EID:07e0 22433f60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52a5c
* On 22-01-97 at 17:06, PATRIOT wrote to JAN DEBOER,
on the topic of "Exemplifying examples" in echo Holysmoke:
PA> I have no problem with MINORITIEs. WHy be against someone
PA> for the color of their skin or anything else visible that
PA> they cannot change?
A good question. Why are you against gay people?
Meanwhile, people of religion choose their religion. Christians
can choose not to be Christian. Are you saying they deserve no
equality in civil rights protections because religion is a choice?
Are you going to amend the constitution to remove the protection
against religious discrimination and freedom of religion?
PA> That is one big difference right there, while I can almost
PA> hear you already, gays chose to be that way.. Blacks, Jews,
PA> etc., did not.
You are wrong. Since I can offer you further information for
your educative wellbeing, I do:
___------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Psychology and You: Answers to Your Questions About
Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"
By: The American Psychological Association
[This pamphlet is available from APA, 750 First St NE, Washington
DC 20002-4242, phone 202-336-5700]
Q: Is sexual orientation a choice?
A: No. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early
adolescence without any prior sexual experience. And some
people report trying very hard over many years to change
their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual with
no success. For these reasons, psychologists do not consider
sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be
voluntarily changed.
___------------------------------------------------------------------
Rod "...there, you have been corrected by science, have a nice
day" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Can I put my Sharp in your mainframe on the desktop?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: kablooey
|Date: 03 Feb 97 08:08:26
EID:08bb 22434100
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f52c7a
* On 23-01-97 at 13:22, ED MILLS wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "kablooey" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> I vaguely remember it being Mt. Mazama, (the precursor to Crater
EM> Lake) but I'm not sure... maybe it was Krakatoa? Anyone know fer
EM> sure?
Krakatoa's eruption in 1883 was the largest ever recorded. The whole
island went kaboom. :) You can read about it in most general
references. Eruptions in the area have caused Anau Krakatoa to
form -- a new island.
Rod "...kerboom for Jesus!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: He's right, dear.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:06:00
EID:c60c 224558c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f918
* On 22-01-97 at 13:00, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "He's right, dear." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> Hi, Fred. How's it going? A bit insecure? You have to bash a poor
---------------------------------------
JS> JS> Christian to get your day going? Let me tell you this: After a hard
week
--------------------------------
JS> JS> of deadlines and working 4 jobs, PRAISE GOD! HE IS GOOD! Life is
good.
JS> JS> Have a good week.
JS> RS> I like you Jim. Whenever we think you've been pacified, you come
JS> RS> out with the darnedest of hateful lines.
JS> RS> Did you have Christian guiding in the posting of this attack on
JS> RS> Fredric? Hmmm?
JS> What in the above was 'hateful'?
See the underlined section.
JS> Where did I 'attack' him?
See the underlined section.
You never answered the question about whether that "loving
Christian spirit" was guiding you when you wrote and posted your
hateful diatribe, Jim.
Rod "...BTW, the sad puppy act doesn't work on me" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If Jesus loves me, why does he never send flowers?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Irc Log Fun! 1/
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:07:02
EID:4c27 224558e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f956
* On 22-01-97 at 13:07, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Irc Log Fun!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> FR> #1 Admit your a homophobic bigot
JS> JS> I am not.
JS> RS> Oh yes you are Jimbot! :) Of course, I was faking being Laurie
JS> RS> Appleton to you, but this was riotously funny:
JS> RS> IRC log started Sat Dec 28 12:26
JS> RS> *** SnoopDD (~YoMomma@ip10.grand-rapids.mi.pub-ip.psi.net) has
joined
JS> RS> channel #h > Jim?
JS> RS> > oh, you're back
JS>
JS> Yeah...I'm still laughing. So what was your point?
The point was made above by Fred, and now proven.
Rod "...and the fact you are gullible :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Today's topic: Name alternatives to eternal nothingness
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:08:04
EID:3b03 22455900
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7f994
* On 22-01-97 at 13:08, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> Because Christians can't convert anything but poor, feeble,
JS> JS> RS> worndown humans who are in need of *something* to give them
hope.
JS> JS> RS> Try converting me, kiddy!
JS> JS> Sure. Where do you want to start? And would you like to be converted
to?
JS> RS> You may start your futile conversion attempt anywhere you
JS> RS> damn well like :)
JS> Yeah, I realize any conversation with you is futile, as you do not take
JS> anything in a serious manner...
Oh, so that's why Christians don't attempt to convert people like
me??? Because they are too chicken??? :) Afraid their theology
will be dismantled by me???
Rod "....bwaaaark! cluck-cluck-cluck!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * At least I never misplaced the Deltivid asteroid belt - Q
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:19:06
EID:3b03 22455a60
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fc2a
* On 22-01-97 at 13:11, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (17 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to Jim Staal...
JS> JS> JS> Truely the greatest country to ever exist under the
JS> JS> JS> sun does not have an
JS> JS> JS> oppressive system of government.
JS> JS> RS> So gay people are equal in the US, eh?
JS> JS> By Jim Staal they are...
JS> RS> That did not answer the question. You stated the US has no
JS> RS> oppressive government regimes. I asked you if there was
JS> RS> oppression against gays *by* the government.
JS> No you didn't. Read your post again.
No, I asked you if gay people *are* equal under the law in the US.
You answered the question "are gay people equal to Jim Staal?".
You dodged the hard question by answering a completely different
question. How disingenuous of you, Jim. :)
JS> RS> You gave a personal, not governmental, answer.
JS> RS> Please try again.
JS> I am not the government.
But you claimed that the United States is "truely the greatest
country to ever exist under the sun" and "does not have an
oppressive system of government".
I get it. You claim to be able to speak for the government when
citing moronic rhetoric about freedoms, though when challenged,
you claim you *aren't* the government and don't have any
authority to speak on the matter.
Let's run that past you again... If its praise for the
government you speak for it. If its condemnation for the
government you can't speak for it.
Sounds like propaganda to me :)
propaganda (n) 1. the organised dissemination of
information, allegations, etc, to either
ASSIST or DAMAGE the cause of a government,
movement, etc.
2. such information, material, etc.
JS> JS> RS> So black people are treated equally in the US?
JS> JS> By Jim Staal they are. Why are you putting this on me?
JS> RS> I'm actually not asking you, Jim, as stated above. I'm asking
JS> RS> you to provide governmental examples of inequality.
JS> I know of none.
You know of no black people treated equally in the US? Wow!
What an admission! :)
JS> JS> RS> If the US is so great, why can't it provide for it's sick and
JS> JS> RS> poor and homeless?
JS> JS> Most of the homeless are that way because they want it that way.
JS> RS> -----------------------------
JS> RS> You've been watching B5 again and swallowing the Ministry of
JS> RS> Peace's Bullshit, eh?
JS> Sorry, in the USA we do not have a propaganist, government controlled
JS> press, so I have no knowledge of what you speak.
No. The propaganda is being perpetrated by people like you, Jim. :)
You really should stop living as Alice in Wonderland, Jimbo.
JS> JS> RS> Rod "Ask my partner if the US is the best nation on this earth.
JS> JS> RS> He will tell you otherwise." Swift
JS> JS> What does he know? Is he sleeping with Herr Doktor Marty Leipzig?
JS> RS> I've never made any statements of infidelity about your wife.
JS> RS> Why do you make an ad hominem attack on my husband?
JS> Hmmm...isn't this alleged 'husband' living in the USA? Show me the
JS> certificate of marriage.
I never used the word husband. I used partner. However, you
never answered why it is "Christian"(tm) for you to make claims
which stink of false witness about my partner with a clearly
unevidenced attack on our relationship's fidelity.
It must be all that fluoride in the water, eh Jim?
JS> RS> Rod "...is it because you're a slimy, lying Christian after all
JS> RS> -- and that you do treat gays discriminately?" Swift :)
JS> You really like to make these totally ignorant accusations, don't you...
Actually, it was a question. You could have answered, simply,
"no". Or you could have probably been more truthful and answered
with a simple "yes". :) :)
Rod "...but is it because you're a slimy, lying, *false
witnessing Christian after all?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Was that my hard drive, or are you torturing a cat?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:28:08
EID:ed89 22455b80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fe48
* On 22-01-97 at 13:14, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> I was in Dallas, the morning that the Murrah building went
in
JS> JS> RS> OKC. I remember the hysteria, the footage live on NBC, on
CBS,
JS> JS> RS> on ABC.
JS> JS> Yeah...I was in Muskegon, Michigan. Big deal and so what?
JS> RS> So you support domestic Christian terrorism?
JS> I know of none.
So the Oklahoma Bombing was not domestic Christian terrorism?
Do you know the meaning of the words "domestic Christian
terrorism"? Here's a pointer. Domestic means "carried out
inside the US-borders by people who reside in the US". Christian
means "people who claim to ascribe to the Christian faith and/or
pronounce that they have performed an act for the Christian faith
or deity-construct". Terrorism can be defined as "an act of
terrorising or systematic use of violence and intimidation to
achieve some goal or political change by means of terror".
Restating the question, do you think that the Oklahoma bombing
was "an act used to cause terror by a US resident towards a
US-based target, the resident acting due to their religious
convictions?"
JS> JS> RS> Real national patriots don't do domestic terrorism. How does
an
JS> JS> RS> egalitarian right-wing gun nut say "I killed your
JS> JS> RS> husband/wife/kid for patriotic reasons?"
JS> JS> RS> I also remember Paul Hill and John Salvi, doctor-murderers.
JS> JS> Salvi is dead. Shut up.
JS> RS> Hill isn't yet... Such a shame. Do you support domestic
JS> RS> Christian terrorism?
JS> I know of none.
So abortion clinic murders is not domestic Christian terrorism?
Were John Salvi and Paul Hill "US residents, targetting US-based
targets, acting to cause terror, in the name of their religion?"
See above for definitions, if you are too dumb to string a
sentence together or fail to understand the question! :)
JS> JS> RS> Christianity is love and tolerance, as long as you are a
JS> JS> RS> Christian.
JS> JS> LIAR!
Oooh... Such a negative response. Must be an engram :) :)
JS> RS> Bullshit, Jimson. The whole POINT of Christianity is to DESTROY
JS> RS> that which is NOT JUST LIKE YOU.
JS> RS> Convert or Kill, it's not only Christianity's guiding principle,
JS> RS> but it's also CHRISTIAN LAW of the BIBLE!
JS> Show me where Christ commanded this?
Christ commanding it <> It being God's word.
You find it in your bible, you bible parrot! :)
JS> JS> Screw commies, treehuggers, bleeding heart liberal, feminazis and
send
JS> JS> the illegals back where they came from.
JS> RS> Ah. So you believe in the principle of governmental-mandated
JS> RS> inequality and division among US citizens?
JS> I know of none.
You were the one who proposed governmental screwing of "commies,
treehuggers, bleeding-heart liberal, feminazis" and "illegals".
Rod "... you emulate your saviour's behaviour so well, Jim.
Honestly.... NOT!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Anti-women, anti-gay -- born again bigot, go away!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:30:10
EID:ed89 22455bc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7fec2
* On 22-01-97 at 13:16, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ha!" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> RS> I bet you that Jim is the type of Republican't who supports
the
JS> JS> RS> selling of those bumper stickers that were sold earlier this
year
JS> JS> RS> in Arizona and Texas (among other places) which proudly proclaim:
JS> JS> RS> "AIDS: God's way of turning fruits into vegetables"
JS> JS> RS> Such loving sentiment from the party that's "the big tent".
JS> JS> No. You are in error.
JS> RS> I am *not* in error. This activity *did* occur. Those stickers
JS> RS> have even been criticised by major Republican players in AZ (like
JS> RS> Barry Goldwater).
JS> And also by little ones like Jim Staal
Jim Staal condemns and criticises something that he claims only
one post prior that never existed :) :)
Rod "... too bad he hasn't oiled his bike-chain of late, I could
hear the frantic back-pedalling a mile away..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bugger me with a fish fork!
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: wisdom
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:34:12
EID:7cd0 22455c40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f7ffb4
* On 22-01-97 at 13:18, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "wisdom" in echo Holysmoke:
[about what should happen to gay people...]
JS> JS> RS> Tortured?
JS> JS> A little...if they like it. ;)
JS> RS> We know you like it :)
JS> A little pain can be nice...
I know. It's why you keep coming back for more, Jim. It's all
that homoeroticism that turns you on :) ever since you watched
Pulp Fiction... :)
JS> JS> RS> Killed?
JS> JS> Wha for?
JS> JS> RS> Anything else reprehensible that you'd like to do to other
humans
JS> JS> RS> who aren't of the same sexuality as you are?
JS> JS> Treat them as humans?
JS> RS> But your bible doesn't say that, Jimson. It says to kill them,
JS> RS> and further, the putting of them to death is a punishment and
JS> RS> their blood shall be upon them.
JS> RS> So... When are you going to start acting like a True Christian
JS> RS> (tm) and execute some gay people?
JS> (Mat 13:24 NIV) Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven
JS> is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
JS> (Mat 13:25 NIV) But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and
JS> sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
JS> (Mat 13:26 NIV) When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the
JS> weeds also appeared.
JS> (Mat 13:27 NIV) "The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir,
JS> didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come
JS> from?'
JS> (Mat 13:28 NIV) "'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked
JS> him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
JS> (Mat 13:29 NIV) "'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling
the
JS> weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
JS> (Mat 13:30 NIV) Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time
JS> I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in
JS> bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"
JS> It is obvious from Christ's parable above that that isn't my job.
So you are saying the word of God is erred? The word of God in
your bible clearly says:
LEV 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with another
man, they have both done a disgusting thing,
and both shall be put to death. THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DEATH.
The bible clearly says Christians should kill gay people, and do
so without any guilt or remorse or adverse judgement in God's
eyes. How do you explain your biblical contradiction, or do you
now fully admit you are applying Matthew 13 incorrectly to the
situation?
Rod "... or are you just an ignorant shmuck?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Lies...
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:41:14
EID:d863 22455d20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8015a
* On 22-01-97 at 13:22, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lies..." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> JS> You just don't get it, do you, Ceppa? Christ _satisfied_ all
the
JS> JS> JS> demands of the law. He took care of it.
JS> JS> RS> So it was a bug fix?
JS> JS> No, it was God's plan.
JS> RS> But it was God's plan to get it right the first time. Don't you
JS> RS> read your bible? I still contend it was a "bug fix".
JS> He did. Have you never read the Bible? And yet you criticize it?
God didn't get the bible right, hence the bug fix.
Yes, I have read your mythbook.
Yes, I criticise it's hypnotic effect over the delusional and the
despaired.
JS> JS> RS> How does this fare in contradiction to the bible's claim that
JS> JS> RS> "God never changes" nor his laws?
JS> JS> He never changes. Nor do his laws.
JS> RS> I note that God always changes -- there's a different version of
JS> RS> him in every Christian I meet. Normally a different version
JS> RS> based on what sins they are practicing, and their denial of that
JS> RS> sin.
JS> Interesting point...
One that you can't answer, can you? If God is all-powerful, he'd
have written a book that would be unable to be read in so many
ways to hence create so many deity-constructs by so many
different people.
JS> RS> So you do admit that the laws of Leviticus have not been removed
JS> RS> from operation, now? You were stating how they had been replaced
JS> Fulfilled.
Replaced. It was a bug fix. You claim so in the previous
message. Jesus, you claim, in Mat 13 has overriden many clearly
and strictly condemnatory clauses of the Old Law in Lev 20.
In fact, you have claimed that Matthew 13 allows you to DEFY your
God's commandment in Leviticus 20! Sounds like a bug-fix to me!
JS> RS> -- which I find contradictory to your statement that his laws do
JS> RS> *NOT* change. You've stated that they do change also.
JS> They don't.
But you have given a claim yourself that there has been a law
change -- a supercedence -- in the post prior to this one. Are
you now claiming that there has been no supercedence?
JS> JS> RS> Or is this an incovenience to your obvious breaking of Levitical
JS> JS> RS> law that you put down to being as "unimportant"?
JS> JS> Not at all.
JS> RS> So you're a salad-bar Christian? A "choose-your-own-salvation"
JS> RS> Christian?
JS> Not at all.
You are using Matthew 13 in the post immediately prior to this
one to "pick-and-choose" not to follow the strict commandment to
put people to death as commanded in Leviticus 20.
You have chosen not to follow Leviticus 20. You twist scripture
to suit your "pick-and-choose" Christianity. Your God hates such
manipulation of his word, does he not?
Are you one of the false prophets who would claim to represent
him, but actually do not?
You need salvation from Satan, Jim, who guides you. :)
JS> RS> Rod "...tell us, Jim, what bits of the bible don't you believe
in
JS> RS> because they are *inconvenient*..." Swift :)
JS> I believe every word in the Bible to be the true, inspired Word of
God.
Except the bits that you don't like, which you conveeeeeniently
pick-and-choose from, eh?
Rod "...or are you going to carry out the commandment in
Leviticus 20 to kill?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Satanic: Anything a fundie Christian doesn't like
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:42:16
EID:0ebe 22455d40
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80198
* On 22-01-97 at 13:29, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shant Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> On (17 Jan 97) Rod Swift wrote to David Rice...
JS> RS> I've never sinned either, David. Sin only comes if you believe
JS> RS> in the concept, which I'm sure you and I do not. :)
JS> Continue to delude yourself, Rod. The Truth will out.
Please provide evidence of these "sins" that you claim. Note, to
construct "sin" you must construct the deity-construct and prove
the deity-construct is the one true deity-construct and that the
deity-construct is completely proven...
Rod "...I know you will not be able to achieve this, because you
are a puny and weak human..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Death is life's answer to the question "Why?"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal wants to know.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:44:18
EID:c082 22455d80
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80212
* On 22-01-97 at 13:31, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Staal wants to know." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> MG> Does anyone outside of Jim Staal actually believe that
JS> MG> Leipzig set his dog on a the pizza delivery boy just to get
JS> MG> out of paying for the things?
JS> RS> No. I don't.
JS> Why not? You believe every lie Satan puts in your mind...
---------------------------------
Wow! Look everyone. George Mooth's mental disease has spread.
Now Jim is saying everyone and everything is Say-tan-hic! :)
Rod "...ahahahahahah. It's the last refuge of those who are
losing the grounding of their faith -- that Satan is stealing
everyone and everything from around them!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * ...Pro-life? Then GET ONE and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MINE!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Mario Gonzalez
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:46:20
EID:5bc0 22455dc0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8028c
* On 24-01-97 at 03:36, MARIO GONZALEZ wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
MG> RS> It may take some getting used to, but Kleberg County
MG> RS> commissioners have thrown their support behind a local man's
MG> RS> campaign to take the "hell" out of hello.
MG> RS> "I feel we have made history here in Kleberg County and set
MG> RS> a new precedent," he said.
MG> RS> The judge said he was not yet accustomed to the new
MG> RS> greeting, but that he was trying, awkwardly, to use it.
MG> RS> "Heaven-o, sir. Adios," he said at the end of the interview.
MG> Why stop here, let's see:
MG> Heaven-copter
MG> Heaven-n instead of hellen
MG> Heaven-met for soldier's heads
MG> Heaven-p if you need assistance
MG> Heaven-ium to inflate baloons.
MG> Christians are a riot!;)
Yes. Their mental deficiencies are so fun to watch. Even more
funny when they get involved in politics and do obviously stupid
things like this.
I wonder how many people who are Christian are embarrassed by
this buffoon and what he does to the name of Christians :)
Rod "...maybe some Christians around here can tell us how
embarrassed they are because of the damage done to their faith" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dogs crawl under gates, software crawls under Windows
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: HELL-o, a MUST READ post
|Date: 05 Feb 97 11:57:22
EID:3b21 22455f20
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80522
* On 24-01-97 at 23:52, KEN YOUNG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HELL-o, a MUST READ post" in echo Holysmoke:
KY> RS> Are the religious nut-cases getting worse or what??? Maybe we
KY> RS> should pick Kingsville TX as our Holysmoke Convention site, and
KY> RS> have tee-shirts saying "HELL-o" for the con! :)
KY> I agree it is ridiculous, but Leonoso Canales, the guy that
KY> came up with the idea doesn't even claim to be a
KY> Christian.. He has said he isn't all that religious, but is
KY> doing it because churches generally make Hell into such a
KY> negative word.
But HELL and HELLO are two different words. They have different
constructions and word origins.
Or are you saying sHELLs are Satanic too?
KY> RS> he said.
KY> RS> The commissioners gave Canales their support because
KY> RS> "he's a local guy," but their vote "has nothing to do with
KY> This part right here is more ridiclous than even the action
KY> itself, IMO.. You are for something because you think it
KY> is a good idea, not because you like the guy that came up
KY> with the idea, or because he is a local..
KY> RS> anything pious," De La Garza said.
KY> RS> Canales believes his campaign will gain momentum now
KY> RS> that it has the weight of officialdom behind it. He now
plans
KY> RS> to go to Texas Gov. George W. Bush to propose heaven-o
as the
KY> RS> state's official greeting.
KY> I had not heard this part.. True, it is only a resolution,
KY> but I don't like the trend it could start.. Fortunately,
KY> it is so ridiculous, it probably couldn't happen state
KY> wide..
Yeah :) That's the funny thing. Though it is Texas :)
Rod "...if they had such a problem with hello, why don't they opt
for existing greetings like good morning/afternoon/evening" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Without fools there would be no wisdom
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: My Summer Weekend
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:03:24
EID:1f9c 22456060
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8068c
* On 24-01-97 at 20:31, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "My Summer Weekend" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> RS>KW> SM>Either recognize _at least_ the gay marriages, or
KW> RS>KW> SM>ABANDON THE WHOLE BUSINESS ALTOGETHER.
KW> RS>KW> SM>Relationship regulation is NOT where the State power belongs.
KW> RS>KW> I would rather they abandon the whole business, or at the very
most,
KW> RS>KW> only treat 'marriage' as a form of personal contract.
KW> RS>Uh, the only side of marriage that the government deals with is
KW> RS>the civil contracting thereof. I think you're arguing for the
KW> RS>status-quo :) Of course, the status-quo does not allow such a
KW> RS>civil contract to have members of the same-sex :)
KW> To a certain extent, yes. Where I'm arguing against the status quo
is
KW> int those areas where the assorted forms of religion have influenced
the
KW> legal set up as to exclude variations of that social contract. I don't
KW> see it as the governments business to regulate who or how many I should
KW> contract marriage too unless I should start breaking those contracts.
KW> And then it should be a matter of civil rather than criminal law.
However, the unfortunate thing is that government still regulates
and apportions rights based on marital status.
Since this system is not likely to change, if government does
apprtion rights it should do so fairly and justly.
While I agree with your viewpoint and tend to share it, I also
realise that it is idealistic and can never really be implemented
until the current benefits of marriage are removed from the
exclusive status of being applied to married people, and equalised.
KW> RS>KW> Let the churches make any and all rules for their followers that
they
KW> RS>KW> want--that should have nothing to do with the legal side of it.
KW> RS>This is also the status quo. Remember that marriage is a civil
KW> RS>contract, and weddings are the ceremonial side of things.
KW> And churches should have the right to make any and all rules
KW> concerning the extension of their sacraments, including matrimony.
If a
KW> particular person can't live with the churches rules, they can just
KW> leave that church.
That's right. But it's a tangential problem compared with civil
marriage. Of course, the current religious political extremists
would *like* to meddle the quest for equal marriage rights with
claims like: "But if we allow gay people to civilly marry, they
will demand we perform *weddings* for them."
Of course, as private organisations, they are not compelled to.
But of course, it's got political mileage to claim that they will
be compelled and hence must oppose equality... :)
KW> RS>KW> The trick would be getting Congress to obey laws period.
KW> RS>I had an interesting idea for this, which I'll be posting as
KW> RS>soon as I compose a coherent and interesting post for it :)
KW> RS>That is, a post on how to make Congress start to think about
KW> RS>passing constitutional (rather than self-serving) laws :)
KW> RS>And, of course, saving US taxpayer dollars by not having to
KW> RS>defend actions against constitutional challenges :)
KW> It would be nice, but I don't see this as anything I'll see in my
KW> lifetime.
As long as a grass-roots movement to bring constitutionality of
laws into view -- and of course the benefits by having better,
less-intrusive, and clearly lawful laws -- may be achievable.
Just look how quick the balanced-budget ideology entered the fray
Rod "...it's possible" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The *Constitution* is the Contract with America!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Your mythology!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:05:26
EID:03d1 224560a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80706
* On 24-01-97 at 20:31, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Your mythology!" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> RS>KW> RS>KW> * OLXWin 1.00a * Why don't they have MOUSE flavored catfood?
KW> RS>KW> RS>A quarter-million pensioners can't be wrong -- they don't
like
KW> RS>KW> RS>the taste :)
KW> RS>KW> They prefer fresh grilled rat?
KW> RS>Actually, pensioners prefer dog food to cat food :)
KW> You have data to back that up? ;) Oh, did you see the item in the news
KW> about the Canadian company that was exporting defective catfood
KW> relabeled as tuna for human consumption?
I saw that story, but it's been shown that some pensioners, to
survive, will buy dog and cat food to eat, because it's cheaper.
There is data here in Australia to support the notion, and I can
remember there was a citation of a US study of the homeless.
Rod "...I'll see what I can dig up from the net, which is where I
saw both..." Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * The *Constitution* is the Contract with America!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Bill Wolff
|Sub: Hateful Bill Wolf!
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:06:28
EID:fddf 224560c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80744
* On 24-01-97 at 09:26, BILL WOLFF wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "HATEFUL BILL WOLF!" in echo Holysmoke:
BW> RS> Such a loving display of Christianity.
BW> RS> "By their fruits ye shall know them.
BW> RS> See you in hell!
BW> Okay... last one there brings the ice cold water. >;->
BW> On a more serious note. There isn't a real hell anyway.
Ooooh... You're a CATHOLIC... Purgatory-construct, eh?
Rod "...hehehe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Necrotelecomnicon: Book of dead phone numbers
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:08:30
EID:3eb1 22456100
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f807be
* On 22-01-97 at 13:27, JIM STAAL wrote to LAURIE APPLETON,
on the topic of "Peculiar State of Mind." in echo Holysmoke:
JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift masquerading
as
JS> you and then directing me to a web site showing him smooching on his
JS> boyfriend!?
So you do admit that you were suckered in? :) :)
And no, there were no such pictures at:
http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~rod/chrisrod/
But hey, you were suckered in reeeeeal good :) *slurpslurpslurp*
Sucker! :) :) :) :)
Rod "...if you want to see the smooochey pics, check out
ftp://ftp.omen.com.au/pub/ugly_mugs/ directory" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Famous graffitti: I used to be indecisive; am I sure?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Fat People
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:10:32
EID:32c4 22456140
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80838
* On 23-01-97 at 15:15, KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT wrote to DAN CEPPA,
on the topic of "FAT PEOPLE" in echo Holysmoke:
KW> DC>Just what is a "Steingrobe"? Seen his name bandied about here,
KW> DC>but never ran into him on the Echoes.
KW> A "Steingrobe'", also known as a "Steiny", is a hapless, bumbling, but
KW> explosive xtain type fundy. He's known best for taking sudden right
KW> turns in religious hysteria, and getting himself backed into impossibly
KW> prickly corners. At the moment he can't quite make up his mind wither
KW> he wants to play footsies with Rod Swift, or beg Lynda to tie him up
and
KW> paddle his naughty little rump until it's pink and glowing.
Oh, I think it is both, Katherine :) :) I've had run-ins with
him on Usenet Newsfroups. He's so fun! Especially when he turns
into 100% crackpot mode :)
KW> DC>My guess is that he's a ping-pong ball attempting to play on
KW> DC>a tennis court.
KW> Well, for some reason he finds my web page 'frightening'. Yes,
he's
KW> a lightweight.
Oh, I think he makes people think that. Then he plays heavy
until he realises he's made himself look like a fool. Then he
takes a powder.
Rod "... that is, standard right-wing Christian operating
procedure" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Irc Log Fun! 1/
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:11:34
EID:9748 22456160
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80876
* On 25-01-97 at 03:14, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Irc Log Fun!" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 22 Jan 97 08:07:00, Jim Staal got back to Rod Swift
DC> JS> Yeah...I'm still laughing. So what was your point?
DC> The one on top of your head, Jimbo.
Hahahahaha :) To think, Dan, that he actually thought I was
Laurie Appleton, then he believed that Laurie was hencely gay,
and that we had a pic archive! :)
Rod "...someone get a dunce cap for his pointy head!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Yogi Bear was a nudist buddhist
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Peculiar State of Mind.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:12:36
EID:9094 22456180
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f808b4
* On 25-01-97 at 03:26, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Peculiar State of Mind." in echo Holysmoke:
DC> JS> BTW, Laurie, can you imagine the impudence of Rod Swift masquerading
DC> JS> as you and then directing me to a web site showing him smooching
on his
DC> JS> boyfriend!?
DC> Must of made you very jealous, Staaled.
It probably gave him a boner. "Oh, wilbuuuurrrrr!"
Rod "...you can lead a horse to a website, but you can't make him
look at the porn" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * He's your God, they're your rules, YOU burn in hell!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Staal wants to know.
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:13:38
EID:8eb7 224561a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f808f2
* On 25-01-97 at 03:32, DAN CEPPA wrote to JIM STAAL,
on the topic of "Staal wants to know." in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 22 Jan 97 08:31:02, Jim Staal got back to Rod Swift
DC> JS> Why not? You believe every lie Satan puts in your mind...
DC> You're lucky, Jimbo. You don't have one of them for Satan
DC> do put anything into.
Ping ping ping ping. Woogy woogy woogy.
STAAL.SYS corrupted, lobotomise? (Y/N)
100000% on the mark, God Dan.
Rod "...you wicked ol' deity you" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dyslexic agnostics don't know whether there is a dog!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:14:40
EID:33f6 224561c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80930
* On 22-01-97 at 13:31, JIM STAAL wrote to ROB BURCHAM,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> AS> JS> yeah, and Jim Staal not only recognizes gays as human, but
even
JS> AS> JS> befriends them. Go figure...
JS> RB> AS>
JS> AS> Good to know.
JS> RB> Hell, I bet he's even had one or two to his house for dinner.
JS> Rob, too bad you didn't have any money on that. I have!
Let me guess, you're related to Dahmer, and you had them over
*for dinner*.
Rod "...am I right?" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Educational Experience
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:15:42
EID:33f6 224561e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8096e
* On 23-01-97 at 18:24, JIM STAAL wrote to AL SCHROEDER,
on the topic of "Educational Experience" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> AS> JS> yeah, and Jim Staal not only recognizes gays as human, but
even
JS> AS> JS> befriends them. Go figure...
JS> AS> AS>
JS> AS> Good to know.
JS> RB> Hell, I bet he's even had one or two to his house for dinner.
JS> AS> Wouldn't suprise me a bit.
JS> Like I told Rob, if he layed his money down, he'd have won. My neighbor
JS> lady is a flight attendant and I have met and dined with many gay
JS> co-workers of hers and her daughters friends as well in my vast and
JS> opulent Staal estate backyard.
You know, the square foot by the potted plant next to the trailer
home :)
Rod "...it's an easy-upkeep garden, though. Requires very little
attention or weeding :)" Swift :) :0
* OLX 2.1 TD * Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Isaiah 53:3 / Luke 13-18
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:21:44
EID:cd9f 224562a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80ad8
* On 24-01-97 at 03:51, DAN CEPPA wrote to LEONARD BERNIER,
on the topic of "Isaiah 53:3 / Luke 13-18" in echo Holysmoke:
DC> -> On 19 Jan 97 11:33:00, Leonard Bernier got back to All
DC> LB> PROPHECY: - The Messish will be rejected by His own people.
DC> What's a "Messish", you meshugannah?
---------------
Oy vey, do you think he will understand already?
Rod "...heheehhe :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Bigots: those who confuse personal tastes with morality
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Sally Springett
|Sub: Total Enlightenment
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:42:46
EID:9ad7 22456540
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f80fc6
* On 24-01-97 at 13:28, SALLY SPRINGETT wrote to DON MARTIN,
on the topic of "Total Enlightenment" in echo Holysmoke:
SS> I ran across a snippet in a novel (_Still Life_ by Rick Hanson)
SS> that amused me and I thought might also amuse you:
SS> "Years ago I had come to the conclusion that the quest for
SS> total enlightenment was very time-consuming, and not near as
SS> much fun as having a life. Though I try to keep an open
SS> mind, the only Shirley MacLaine-ish theory I can really
SS> embrace is: If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
I agree, Sally. I've argued with fundamentalists of all
persuasions that while they living their life out of fear of a
deity-construct, they aren't really living at all but wasting
precious life.
Rod "...they never understand, though" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Borg Express -- don't be assimilated without it!
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Gawd was wrong?
|Date: 05 Feb 97 12:56:54
EID:9a80 22456700
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81316
* On 25-01-97 at 14:23, JUDITH BANDSMA wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Gawd was wrong?" in echo Holysmoke:
JB> -=> Rod Swift spoke thusly to Fredric Rice <=-
JB> RS> Of course, my underwear has probably more scriptural relevance
JB> RS> than the bullshit they dig up for scriptural "reinterpretation"
JB> RS> and "revision".
JB> It's holeyer?
It's holier, and holeyer :)
Rod "...and what is this sudden interest in my undergarments,
Judith, hmmm??? *wink*" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * As Piglet psychosexually said, "Bounce on me too Tigger!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Lon Mabon
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:01:56
EID:1e6e 22456820
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81444
* On 25-01-97 at 17:05, ED MILLS wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Lon Mabon" in echo Holysmoke:
EM> SA> YIKES! This is indeed scarey.
EM> SA> The thought that a crazed lunatic from here in my own community
EM> SA> can make news around the globe... sheesh. I'm in Eugene, Oregon.
EM> SA> So's that Lon Mabon critter.
EM> RS> Yes, indeed. I also know that Lon Mabon played hard and fast
EM> RS> with the tax-exemption laws, and has some unpaid liens against
EM> RS> him. The OCA is also responsible for Lively and Abrams -- the
EM> RS> famous holocaust revisionists who claim that the Nazi movement
EM> RS> was created by homosexuals.
EM> Ditto on Styx. I had no idea these guys were being heard clear on the
EM> other side of the fucking planet.
You'd be amazed at the information revolution.
EM> If I had known Scott Lively was going to be so famous I would have
EM> gotten his autograph when I sat next to him on a local "Town Hall"
EM> telecast.
EM> Shit. I think I've got cooties.
I'm really upset that the marriage@abacus.oxy.edu mailing list
(for same-sex marriage rights) is unmoderated. Kevin E Abrams
(Lively's co-author on the book "the Pink Swastika") joined the
list recently and terrorised it.
He's also terrorised the gay-jews list, and probably countless
others.
Rod "...ah, so that's what port 25 does" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Don't believe in miracles, expect them
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:03:58
EID:57e0 22456860
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f814be
* On 26-01-97 at 12:24, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shan'T Rec" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> JS> MG> Witness....Jim Staal "believes" homosexuality to
JS> JS> MG> be a sin. There fore
JS> JS> MG> it is a sin. Jim "believes" in god therefore there is a god.
JS> JS> MG> No evidence. No thought process.
JS> JS> You are wrong on both counts. I see evidence of God every single
day
JS> JS> and I have given it much thought.
JS> RS> And this evidence and data is?
JS> The evidence is seen through the eye of faith:
Evidence is seen through the eyes of independence and
investigation, not faith. You failed.
JS> RS> Rod "...you forgot to show the bit about homosexuality being a
JS> RS> sin" Swift :)
JS> Rod, I'm sure you have seen it before, but I will share a bit of it,
one
JS> sinner to another:
I don't sin, Jim, remember? I can't :) Further, I doubt your
bible was written in English :) :) Find out what arsenkoitai
means :)
JS> (1 Cor 6:9 NIV) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
JS> kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
JS> idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
JS> (1 Cor 6:10 NIV) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
JS> slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
JS> I am also on this list. I admit it.
And unrepentant, no less, you idolatrous, greedy, thieving,
drunkard slanderer! :) :)
Rod "...hehehee" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Time is an illusion of the manufacturers of space
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Bathroom Staal disease
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:05:00
EID:dbc3 224568a0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f814fc
* On 26-01-97 at 12:28, JIM STAAL wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Bathroom Staal disease" in echo Holysmoke:
JS> FR> I think your summation about what motivates his anti-women sentiment
JS> FR> is exactly on target. He is a Promise Keeper. In a Christian forum
JS> FR> he would probably be spouting off about women in the workplace.
JS> JS> That's a laugh! I have supported Diane's fulltime position outside
the
JS> JS> home from the heart for the past 20 years. I also rather enjoy
working
JS> JS> with the women in my department.
JS> RS> Does your wife know about this fidelity? :)
You have edited my quote. I wrote INfidelity above...
STYXXXXX!!! :) :)
JS> Absolutely. I haven't been guilty of infedility for quite some time,
so
JS> she is quite secure in the fact of my fidelity.
Rod "...and you answer the question as if I had written
*in*fidelity... You're guilty, Jim!" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * If you choke a Smurf, what colour does it turn?
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Ask And Ye Shant Receive
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:06:02
EID:e86e 224568c0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8153a
* On 26-01-97 at 20:55, DAMIEN WELLMAN wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "Ask And Ye Shant Receive" in echo Holysmoke:
DW> DR> -- Debra Murphree, quoting Jimmy Swaggart,
DW> DR> asking about her nine year old daughter.
DW> DR> (Penthouse magazine, July 1988)
DW> RS> I do hope that this quote is accurate :) :) It's a very
DW> RS> interesting one if it is.
DW> Well, get a copy of the July 1988 Penthouse and check it! :)
Why don't you? :) :)
Rod "...I'm just asking someone to verify it, so I can start
quoting it too :) :)" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Dance is thought mad by those who can't hear the music
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: Marty Leipzig
|Sub: execute her ?
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:07:04
EID:e511 224568e0
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f81578
* On 26-01-97 at 06:46, MARTY LEIPZIG wrote to ROD SWIFT,
on the topic of "execute her ?" in echo Holysmoke:
ML> JS> BTW, Me n' the Lovely Wilbur [tm] have been an item for 32 years.
30
ML> JS> within the binds of holy matrimony. She/we love it.
ML> ML> Looks like Guinness has a new entrant in the Masochism/Sadomasochism
ML> ML> catagory.
ML> RS> I thought you were going to comment on the 2 missing years :)
ML> Nope. I went for the obvious 30.
Well, he admits in another post just prior that he's not had
fidelity completely :)
ML> RS> Rod "...I can hear Jim's muffled screams as the Lovely Wilbur
ML> RS> gets out the branding iron for 'Mr Ed' Jim again" Swift :)
ML> "Wilburrr...can I have my testicles tonight?"
Only if they're removed from the G-clamp first :)
Rod "...thumbscrews are fun for that sorta thing" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * I wanted to be born again but my mother said: "No!"
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:10:06
EID:991d 22456940
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8162e
* On 18-01-97 at 11:35, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> GENTLE PERSUASION
What I do to inspire the little Satan in your mind to reply to
me, you slave :)
GM> YOU CAN INTRODUCE A PERSON TO CHRIST,
GM> BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM BELIEVE.
Yes, but you can make Satan control him :) :)
Rod "...because introducing Christ is ALSO introducing Satan" Swift :)
* OLX 2.1 TD * Never attribute to malice that which stupidity explains
--- Maximus 2.02
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|From: Rod Swift
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 05 Feb 97 13:11:08
EID:991d 22456960
MSGID: 3:690/660.0 32f8166c
* On 19-01-97 at 12:01, GEORGE MOOTH wrote to ALL,
on the topic of "Our Daily Bread" in echo Holysmoke:
GM> OUR BEST DEFENSE
...is a lobotomy...
GM> WHEN WE TRUST THE POWER OF GOD,
GM> WE EXPERIENCE PEACE, NOT PANIC.
...if you have a Christian belief-system l