God Damned Fundies!
|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Coincidence seven
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:33
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PID: BWRA 3.01 [Reg]
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Kevin D. Mckenzie mumbled "Coincidence seven"
PS> Dunno. Don't look at me anyway--I'm not an engineering type.
KDM> But I will be, someday. With work, luck, and the Grace of Goat
KDM> I'll be designing these things in ten years or less.
If you can get a budget. If you can find a patron. If anybody cares. That's
the problem with space travel--not enough people want it for it to go
anywhere at the moment.
KDM> I'm currently reading a book you may be interested in: _Prospects
for
KDM> Interstellar Travel_, by J.H. Mauldin. Your library should have a
KDM> copy.
I doubt it, but I'll look as soon as I have the chance. Thanks.
... The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind.-H.P. Lovecraft
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Home page (you care, I know you do).
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:33
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, David Worrell mumbled "Home page (you care,
I know you do)."
PS> Sure thing. It should be there by 14 February.
DW> Great. My whole *page* is fucked, now. The background image (a modest
DW> one) appears fine when the html is viewed locally. As soon as I upload
DW> the page and image to the server though, the background is suddenly
DW> invisible.
I hadn't noticed. It looked fine when I connected to it a couple of days
ago.
... Federal Employment Principle: Confusion creates jobs.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Homocrystal sextants.
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:33
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "Homocrystal
sextants."
KW> in the tenth decade) made me mad. But, then, I was rather precocious
KW> (hell, I was a down right poisonous child).
PS>Kerosene is also too good for him.
KW> Now, now, Preston. We don't want to immolate him, we just want him
to
KW> pull his head out and look around.
No, no. *You* don't want to immolate him. Me, I like hot dogs roasted
over an open fire.
... AD&D Quote: "What's a `pantheon', and why is it mad at me?"
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: ONE LAST COMMENT 01/
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:33
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "ONE LAST COMMENT
01/"
PS>It's worse than sad, it's downright detestable.
KW> It's an ongoing problem here, esp. around holidays like Valentines
KW> Day, and Mother's Day.
More evidence that society isn't what it used to be.
PS>You know why manhole covers are round, don't you?
KW> Because if they were square some idiot child would find a way to drop
KW> them through the whole.
Yup. And we still have an occasional problem here in Memphis with some
nut taking the lids off to do work under the street and forgetting to
put the damned thing back on, to the consternation of traffic.
... DM Advice: Never let a monster die without doing some damage.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Abortion
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:34
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "Re: Abortion"
KW> Well, are you going to tell us who they are?
Dinstuhl's. They're mostly local to Memphis, though.
PS>I rank their stuff as slightly below Godiva, or perhaps equal to on a
good
PS>day.
KW> Preston, It's not safe to tease a chocolaholic. There are several of
KW> us on this echo. Now, who are these paragons, and do they do mail
KW> order?
I know not.
... I saved the life of the virgin sacrifice by disqualifying her.
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:34
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "THE 10 COMMANDMENTS"
PS>And me just having taken an oath of celibacy. Pity.
KW> Do we get to hold you to that?
Who knows? The spirit can move one in interesting ways.
PS> KW> They wondered what became of the Neanderthal.
PS>If they wonder at all.
KW> Dim little buggers, eh? Ever notice that cast of features
KW> shows up with permanently hunched shoulders and a nice rounded spine.
KW> Trashy folk.
Small, beady little eyes with no spark of intelligence. It makes me wonder
about why I care about the species.
... God is irrelevant (Borg 7:13)
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|From: Preston Simpson
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Pink?
|Date: 18 Feb 96 23:33:34
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Whilst noshing on a Twinkie, Katherine Wintersnight mumbled "Pink?"
KW> I do remember wondering, at about the age of 6 or 7 (this would be mid
KW> 60's), what all the fuss about communism was if they had to lock their
KW> people in to keep them. But, then, at that age I thought Radio Free
KW> Europe meant that the Europeans didn't have any radios.
Someone should have realized that Communism is great--for utopian societies.
Anywhere else, Communism sucks because of people's innate tendency to be
people.
... Error #666: Hard Drive Possessed. Load EXOR.SYS (Y/n)?
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|From: Boni Hitch
|To: Pam Gray
|Sub: Re: 325
|Date: 17 Feb 96 20:59:09
EID:ff9d 2051a760
GMD: 1:396/1
MSGID: 1:250/1004 1904011b
PG>I don't know... you have to ask him yourself... anyway I was going to
write
PG>the base for you to agree to disagree and not bother writing to him because
PG>his views will not change and of course you are very strong in yours...
I backed him into a corner already. I haven't seen the reply yet, but
I'm sure it is a doozy...:-)
PG>I won't of course take sides but suffice it to say I think you should
take
PG>first step if you know what I mean! :)
I don't mind *discussing* Christianity with people who understand their
faith and why they believe it but as you can tell, I have little
patience with the "thumpers" out there. I'm pretty much finished with
him as he as nothing I haven't debated to death around here to
contribute to a discussion...
PG>Ahhhh... I know... I sent a few replies out to some people and of course
I
PG>haven't gotten them.
We *were* getting it for a while but we aren't
anymore!...:-(
---
þ SLMR 2.1a þ ...Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs...
--- GEcho 1.00
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|From: Boni Hitch
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 17 Feb 96 20:59:10
EID:0a11 2051a760
GMD: 1:396/1
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SA>And Brave Sir Boni ran away, screaming "Christian Jobs"!
SA> BH>Can you imagine the bloody uproar that would ensue if I was to
SA> BH>advertise:
SA> BH> "Wanted: Must be Native and untainted by
SA> BH> Christianity. No Jews, Moslems or Hindus
ne
SA> BH> apply. Skilled leather craftsperson."
SA> BH>
SA> BH>THINK ABOUT IT, PEOPLE!!!
SA>It happens already, more or less. Witness the proposed BHP-Canada
SA>diamond mine in the NorthWest Territories - they've vowed to give
SA>a certain percentage of jobs to local Indians/Inuit. IOW, for
SA>those positions, only "native" (gads, how I HATE that word when
SA>used to exclude OTHERS born here as well) need apply. While local
SA>people in general should have first shot at jobs opening up
SA>anywhere, I see no sense in limiting jobs to people based on race,
SA>religion, etc - that is just as wrong as an employer demanding a
SA>"Christian" truck driver.
More than 60% of the population there is Native/Inuit. 75% of them are
unemployed. If the Euro-Canadians were not *already* holding up much of
the job market--this situation could not exist. So how fair is the
situation as it sits? The Native/Inuit ARE the local population in that
area...
Since 50% of the Native populace is unemployed *all* over Canada--how do
you find it unfair that BHP are forced to hire a percentage of the
*local* populace which happens to BE mostly Native?
SA>As I hope you'll agree, fairness works both ways.
Fairness has *not* worked *both* ways for over 300 years--obviously!
---
þ SLMR 2.1a þ Psychic meeting cancelled due to unforseen problems.
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|From: Pam Gray
|To: Boni Hitch
|Sub: Re: 325
|Date: 18 Feb 96 10:43:31
EID:0705 20525560
MSGID: 1:250/1004 190cfc08
Boni,
You won't see a reply from him for a little while... he had to give back
the
modem he's borrowed - you should see a reply within a week.
BH> I don't mind *discussing* Christianity with people who understand their
BH> faith and why they believe it but as you can tell, I have little
BH> patience with the "thumpers" out there. I'm pretty much finished with
BH> him as he as nothing I haven't debated to death around here to
BH> contribute to a discussion...
HEHEHEHEHE... oh well I am sure you will find plenty of others to debate
christianity and/or religion in general. :)
BH> We *were* getting it for a while but we aren't
BH> anymore!...:-(
I know... I see all these messages coming to the board but none are for
us...
Oh well...
Take care,
Pam
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: George Rudzinski
|Sub: Children
|Date: 14 Feb 96 07:45:26
EID:1144 204e3da0
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REPLY: 1:228/500.0 311e1a44
GR> Look into the eyes of nc1011, and tell me that you don't
GR> want her to be found.
It said she was from Alaska.
Better check Prewett's crawlspace.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Former Soviet Union
|Date: 14 Feb 96 07:49:10
EID:db50 204e3e20
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 621ed4b9
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 311fd566
JJ>> I suppose you left it in your other jacket -- along with
JJ>> Joe McCarthy's list of communists working for the State
JJ>> Department.
SA> ! Are you trying to suggest that the McCarthyite witch
SA> hunts never happened, Jesse?
It's rather obvious that is NOT what he is saying.
What he is saying is that McCarthy's evidence didn't exist.
Not the same thing at all.
Once you become a member of the Better Educated you will
understand things like this.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: TWO DAYS TO DOOM - TAKE C
|Date: 15 Feb 96 00:40:08
EID:2f84 204f0500
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62284197
JH>> "magick" (on or before February 14th) in order to fulfill
JH>> the conditions of Curse Number Three.
JB> Happy Valentine's Day, JJ. I know I'm a day early, but I
JB> figure if I post it now, you may get it before St. Paddy's
JB> day.
Thank you. Thank you very much...
It got to me on time... sort of... I got it on the 14th, but
unfortunately I was already dead.
You probably won't get this message until after I resurrect.
FidoNet is EVEN SLOWER on this side. (But on the plus side,
I now know where all the missing mail goes to.)
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: FOF update
|Date: 15 Feb 96 01:26:10
EID:2f7a 204f0b40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62289535
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 12137ca0
JP> Hey,... be nice to Exxon,..
JP> Exxon provided Alaskans a lot of JOBS that summer !
That's the basic problem with you. You're more than ready (you're
fucking eager) to sell out the future for some pocket change today.
Who gives a damn if the next generation has to live in a lifeless
wasteland poisoned with the residues of your idea of "prosperity".
And all the generations after them...
Do you really think that throwing environmental concerns to the wind
and kissing the ass of Big Business will give you a higher standard
of living? Take a look at Louisiana. Or New Jersey.
But you don't think there is going to be a future, do you? Jesus is
going to come down and make all the waste dumps disappear with a
twitch of his cute little nose.
Enjoy your mess of pottage, you crazyass motherfucker.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: The fire
|Date: 15 Feb 96 01:42:14
EID:df8f 204f0d40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6228a5ba
AS> I also lost most of my paperbacks, which were in bookshelves in
AS> my room...so JJ, I no longer have a complete, or even a partial,
AS> collection of the Fu Manchu stories. I lost my Niven, (except
AS> for Mote in God's Eye), my Farmer, my Clarke, my Heinlein, my
AS> complete Doc Savage collection, many of the Shadow paperbacks
AS> with Steranko covers, etc. Sue Armstrong, I lost my copy of
AS> SCIENCE FICTION TODAY AND TOMORROW. I lost practically all my
AS> Poul Anderson.
[Moment of silence]
You can buy a new computer, but you have to BUILD a library.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 15 Feb 96 02:32:50
EID:78d9 204f1400
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62291c3f
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 159285e1
>> I have seen Gramm speak out against abortion.
SA> I haven't. I find that to be quite odd, given the number
SA> of his speeches that I've watched & listened to. He must
SA> not be very outspoken, to have concealed such an important
SA> issue.
Date : 05/08/95
GRAMM COURTS RELIGIOUS SUPPORT
Candidate Pledges to "Restrict" Abortion, Oppose Gays in Military
by Conrad F. Goeringer
Hoping to gain support from religious evangelicals, Senator Phil
Gramm said Saturday, May 6, that he would restrict abortions and
overturn the Clinton administration's "destructive and unworkable
policy on gays in the military" if elected president. Gramm made
his remarks during commencement ceremonies at Liberty University
in Virginia, founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell, before a crowd
of 8,000 people.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Alien autopsy
|Date: 15 Feb 96 12:08:32
EID:d9ae 204f6100
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 622e7be6
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 11804281
SR> What would it gain? We have supposed footage of an alien body
SR> being carved up like yesterday's turkey...and no one with any
SR> sense will give that team any credit for validity. Sure it is a
SR> hoax...but I must acknowledge that it took testicular fortitude
SR> to attempt to pull that one off in this day and age.
We don't know that it was done "in this day and age". While it is
a genuine hoax, the exact how and why will remain a topic of
controversy until someone steps forward and says "I did it, and
here's how...".
The claim made for the film is that it made in 1947, this is
patently false as the microphone seen in the film is a Shure
Brothers model that wasn't marketed until 1954. But there is
really nothing about the film to indicate it is of recent
manufacture. It could have been made anytime in the last 40
years.
There are some indications that the shooting may have been done
on video and then later transfered to film, but the evidence is
less than convincing.
But one thing is certain: the film has already attained legend
status. No matter how much evidence is collected indicating it
is a fraud (and there is a lot of such evidence), there will still
be Flaming True Believers ten and twenty years from now who will
present it as "evidence" of alien invasion.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: DETROIT
|Date: 16 Feb 96 01:38:30
EID:a9c8 20500cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6235cd28
AS> I think the question of your gender has just been answered,
AS> JJ. How many females look at HUSTLER?
I only read it for the cartoons.
They're disgusting, immoral and totally lacking in taste.
I love 'em.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: DETROIT
|Date: 16 Feb 96 01:46:06
EID:a9c8 20500dc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6235e267
AS> BTW, today is Valentine's Day. How you doing? Has
AS> Asmodiddly had any effect? (Yeah, RIGHT!)
I left your earthly plane at 05:34 on February 14th.
Which means I have been dead for almost two days now.
The record is three. And I plan on doing it at least one
better.
Actually I'm tempted to stay dead long enough for Asmodiddly
to start crowing about his "great success". I noticed he
stuck his head out of his hole yesterday.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 16 Feb 96 01:52:58
EID:9ed8 20500e80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62363ebe
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 312251ab
GtP> Are you having a bad week or something?
I'm dead, stupid.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Gwenny the Pooh
|Sub: talking critters
|Date: 16 Feb 96 01:53:36
EID:298d 20500ea0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62360a91
REPLY: 1:128/203.2@fidonet.org 312255eb
Let us start by re-examining your original claim:
>> ACTUALLY, the matriarchal goddess (earth) worshipping folk of
>> the Middle East were living in cities with paved streets, knew
>> how to work metal and had writing when the progenitors of
>> patriarchal monotheism were still nomads. Not only that, but
>> they were enlightened enough that women ruled and sex was
>> not evil. SO THERE!!
Here we have the following elements: Middle Eastern, urban, paved
streets, metal working, writing and a matriarchal social structure.
Now let us see how well your evidence supports this claim.
GtP> "By about 5500 BC houses had been built with groups of
GtP> rooms around a central courtyard, a style used by may
GtP> architects even today. These were found in sites along
GtP> the nothern reaches of the Tigris River, in communities
GtP> that represent what is known as the Hassuna period.
GtP> There, as in other Neolithic communities, archaleologists
GtP> found agricultrual toos such as the hoe and sickle,
GtP> storage jars for corn and clay ovens. And once again,
GtP> Professor Saggs [author of _The Greatness that was
GtP> Babylon_. New York, Mentor, 1968] reports, 'The religious
GtP> ideas of the Hassuna period are reflected in clay
GtP> figurines of the mother goddess.'
[*] Middle East
[ ] urban
[ ] paving
[ ] metal working
[ ] literate
[?] matriarchal
No bingo. I'm almost tempted to make 'matriarchal' a Free Square
out of sympathy, but evidence of godess worship does not
indicate a matriarchal social structure. Rome had shitloads of
godesses, but was not what any sane person would call a
matriarchy.
GtP> "One of the most sophisticated prehistoric cultures of the
GtP> ancient Near and Middle East was situated along the banks
GtP> of the northern Tigris and westward as far as the Habur
GtP> River. It is known as the Halaf culture and appeared in
GtP> various places by 5000 BC. At these Halaf sites, small
GtP> towns with cobbled streets have been discovered. Metal
GtP> was in use, which would place the Halaf cultures into a
GtP> period labeled by archaelogists as Chalcolithic.
[*] Middle East
[*] urban
[*] paving
[*] metal working
[ ] literate
[ ] matriarchal
Closer, but still no bingo. (Hint: anytime the culture is refered
to as "pre-historic" they do NOT have writing.)
GtP> "Saggs writes that, judging from a picture on a ceramic
GtP> vase, 'It is prbably from the Halaf period that the
GtP> invention of wheeled vehicles date.' Goddess figurines
GtP> have been found at all Halaf sites..." (_When God was a
GtP> Woman_ by Merlin Stone
[ ] Middle East
[ ] urban
[ ] paving
[ ] metal working
[ ] literate
[?] matriarchal
GtP> There's more.
I haven't seen ANY yet.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Why
|Date: 16 Feb 96 02:34:24
EID:1d0d 20501440
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62364fb1
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 312238f5
DC>> On idiot went to far as to propose that people on
DC>> unemployment be used to keep the elk off of his Private
DC>> property....
DM> Sounds like a conservative who pisses and moans about
DM> the misuse of his tax money by the poor.
As well as an idiot who thinks that unemployement INSURANCE is
a "hand out". It aint.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: J.J. Hitt
|Date: 16 Feb 96 02:36:58
EID:4ca2 20501480
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 623652bb
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 312238f9
DM> Today is Valentine's Day, and I see nothing in this
DM> mailbag from J.J. Hitt. You don't suppose that
DM> Assholmodeus' curse finally kicked in, do you?
Oh fuck... I've become a topic.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: The Unofficial Holysmoke Pick Yer Poison List
|Date: 16 Feb 96 02:40:10
EID:e675 20501500
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62365c7a
REPLY: 1:123/318.0 311eaf0c
RS>> Cola Marilyn Burge Freethinker Sutter Homes' White
RS>> Zinfandel Ryan Shaw atheist draught Guinness
PS> You need to fix this--my quoter munged your beautifully
PS> spaced list.
Ahhh... that explains why I can't find a six-pack of Marilyn
anywhere.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: guess what?
|Date: 16 Feb 96 04:35:06
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JB> JJ, do you remember that lesbian rugby team that we agreed
JB> was probably a BIT much even for I_UFO?
JB> You need to check http://www.frsa.com/faithzon.shtml
JB> and add Afro-American body builder to the above
JB> description.
Sigh... I don't have Internet access at work.
And I'll not pay for it at home.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Unofficial Holysmoke Pick Yer Poison List
|Date: 16 Feb 96 04:42:50
EID:352d 20502540
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JH>> Cola Marilyn Burge?
JH>> What's next?
JH>> Jesse Jones Kool-Aide?
JH>> Al Schroeder Schnopps?
JH>> Rice Beer?
DM> We can call that last "Saki" for short.
Nah... that would be Rice Wine. Rice beers (as in those imports from
Japan) are tasteless things.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 16 Feb 96 11:46:14
EID:0bf1 20505dc0
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KR>> The Bible doesn't even get pi right - I doubt it has
KR>> information on how to run Win95.
DW> Sure it does... doesn't the Bible mention praying a lot? :)
PSALMS 9:13 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble
[which I suffer] of them that hate me, thou that liftest me
up from the Gates of death:
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: more dan a. post
|Date: 16 Feb 96 17:33:08
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KDM> I'd love to help you, but some moron snuck into Central
KDM> Command at Brussels and painted the Beast pink.
Oh NO!
Not the Hot Neon Pink that messes up the nano-transmitters!
That will ruin EVERYTHING!
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: FOF
|Date: 16 Feb 96 17:52:46
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SW> The Lord rebuke you.
I'll see your Rebuke and raise you a FuckYou.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 17 Feb 96 00:17:36
EID:2bd9 20510220
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JP> Granted, this is bad news for nature worshippers and
JP> bureaucrats accustomed to having a kingdom based on
JP> enslaving people on a taxpayer funded welfare plantation.
John....
If you are so opposed to "welfare enslavement" why don't you
stop cashing your very own disability checks?
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
|Date: 17 Feb 96 06:49:28
EID:3dee 20513620
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AS> [...] and one of the elders of my church, a college professor,
AS> specializes in studying both history and cults, a Dr. Bill
AS> Gorree.
I'd be interested in knowing how he distinguishes between the two.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Re: countdown: one day le
|Date: 17 Feb 96 18:17:54
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KDM> ASMODEUS spoke thusly to J.J. HITT:
A>> as for the curse, you have already witnessed its birth. Soon
A>> it will grow, like a plague. Your anxiety and apprehension
A>> will only make it all the more powerful.
KDM> Thanks. Money can't buy entertainment like
KDM> this.
Oh, dear! This anxiety and apprehension is just killing me...
Waitaminit... I'm already dead. (Four days and counting. I've
already broken the 2000 year old standing record. Everything
from here on in is for the record books.)
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: An interesting situation
|Date: 17 Feb 96 18:31:36
EID:03cf 205193e0
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JH>> Unfortunately, they don't make oven cleaner in tiny purse
JH>> and pocket sized cans.
KW> Cologne works great. And if you are real lucky, you can
KW> blind the bastard. The cheaper the scent the better--the
KW> higher the ratio of Isopropyl alcohol to volatile oils.
You can use IPA if you want to, I'm partial to sodium hydroxide.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: REDEORHCS LA
|Date: 17 Feb 96 18:38:30
EID:32eb 205194c0
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AS> Staal couldn't receive any messages from me, etc. What a AS> He doesn't
know what a pimply-faced follower of Anton Levay I
AS> hold him.
He still has no real idea of where he is.
Don't forget that Asmodeus was the character who with his very
first message in the echo called Larry Sites a Christian.
Prewett and Giggle-Scot are intellectual giants compared to him.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: A VISIT 4/4
|Date: 17 Feb 96 23:03:52
EID:80df 2051b860
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JB>> KW> Excuse my naive ignorance, but what did he consider a
JB>> KW> S&M theme? China whips? Stoneware ball gags?
JB>>I was afraid to ask. But he did want figurines, or
JB>>'anything' along that line, 'as long as it has an S&M theme'.
KW> Bound slave girl salt and pepper shakers, I'd guess.
That WOULD sell!
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: haggis vs. food
|Date: 17 Feb 96 23:08:32
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KW> Although to do stoved potatoes right, you need clean sea
KW> water.
Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. Might as well require
clean sewage.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: all
|Sub: Boylan's Appeal - End of Story
|Date: 18 Feb 96 00:44:05
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* Original To : All, 1:30873/2
* Original From: Ed Stewart, 88:4602/17
* Original Area: I_UFO
* Original Date: Feb 16 16:29
* Forwarded on by J.J. Hitt of 1:106/9788.2
THE SUPERIOR AND MUNICIPAL COURT OF CALIFORNIA
IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO
-------------------
RICHARD J. BOYLAN, PH.D. ENDORSED
Petitioner FEB -8 1996
By R. ROUSE, Deputy
MEDICAL BOARD OF CA, -------------------
BBSE, DCA AND THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA
Respondents
DECISION ON SUBMITTED MATTER
Case No. 95CS02187
This Petition for Writ of Mandate came on regularly for hearing on
January 19, 1996, in Department 7 of the Sacramento Superior Court, the
Honorable Thomas M. Cecil presiding. Petitioner was present and represented
by counsel, Mr. Richard S. Linkert. Repondents were represented by counsel,
Mr. Arthur D. Taggart. The matter was argued and deemed submitted.
For reasons set forth below, as well as those stated during the
hearing of January 19, 1996, the Petition for Writ of Mandate is denied.
This Petition was filed under the authority of section 1094.5 of the
Code of Civil Procedure. It is undisputed that vested rights of petitioner
are at stake. Accordingly, this court has reviewed the administrative record
and exercised its independent judgment. With the exception of one of
respondents' findings, the court has determined that the findings are
supported by the weight of the evidence. Specifically, the court finds the
evidence relative to Determination of issue II insufficient.
With regard to each of the other Determinations found true by the
ALJ (Nos. 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10), the court finds the evidence in support
overwhelming. Further, separate from the issue of whether evidence in support
of the acts comprising the Determination of issues was presented, the court
specifically notes that in each instance, expert testimony was presented
in
support of these determinations. Petitioner's contrary assertion is not
supported by the record.
1
Petitioner accurately asserts that basic concepts of due process
requires certainty and clarity of the accusations being filed as well as
the
need for fundamental fairness in the hearing process. Contrary to
petitioner's assertions, however, the court finds no prejudice occasioned
by
the amendments to the accusation. Petitioner was afforded ample opportunity
to address the amendments with the presentation of his evidence and in cross
examining respondents' witnesses.
In his moving papers as well as during oral arguments on January 19,
petitioner referred to the "thrust" or "focus" of respondents case,
asserting that the resulting "moving target" was constitutionally defective
and required reversal of the administrative decision. As already noted,
the
record demonstrates that petitioner was afforded substantial leeway in terms
of responding to changes made to the accusation. Moreover, the mere fact
that
petitioner misconstrued the "focus" or "thrust" of respondent's case, does
not diminish or negate the end product. It is commonplace for arguments
originally envisioned to be "winners" to be tossed aside during the course
of trial. Concepts or tactics first deemed unwise often blossom before the
eyes of the litigants.
In no respect does this court find any violation of the due process
rights of petitioner nor has petitioner been able to demonstrate any
prejudice stemming from the amendments to the accusation.
Petitioner takes issue with the "delay" in pursuing the complaint
originally lodged with BOP by KG. It should be noted that KG advised the
board of her inability to go forward - alone. It appears that the BOP
acceded to her wish until such time as additional complaints were filed
against the petitioner. Moreover, petitioner is unable to demonstrate any
prejudice resulting from the delay.
Lastly, petitioner has challenged the level of discipline ordered
by the boards. It is well-established that a penalty determination will
not be disturbed by a reviewing court absent a finding of a manifest abuse
of discretion. The fact that reasonable minds could differ as to the
propriety and necessity of a given sanction is insufficient justification
to overturn a penalty decision.
The court concurs with the analysis of respondents, both legally
and factually as set out in respondents' Points & Authorities in Opposition.
Moreover, notwithstanding petitioner's efforts to demonstrate that he poses
no risk to the public, his own "Responsive Brief" forcefully reinforces
the
position of _respondents_. Petitioner consistently references the notion
that his patients "misconstrued" his intent, or that it was "misunderstood",
or that the risk was "minimal."
2
Obviously, petitioner holds licenses that confer upon him substantial
obligations. His chosen professions require that he exercise good judgment,
respect his patients' feelings and their needs. Contrary to the position
of
petitioner, this court finds almost no evidence of insight into the
inappropriateness of his conduct. To the extent that it exists, it appears
to relate solely to the potential ramifications on his licenses rather than
an acknowledgement of misconduct or grossly inappropriate behavior.
Petitioner does not comprehend what all of the experts clearly
understood. Petitioner continues to assert that this case is about his
beliefs in alien encounters. It is not. Petitioner fails to grasp the
significance of the expert testimony and the findings as to matters
completely unrelated to aliens. Petitioner's conduct was outrageous,
especially in the light of the underlying reasons for treating these
particular patients. His conduct fell well below the standard of care
expected of his professions and constituted gross negligence. Revocations
are appropriate.
Respondent is directed to prepare an appropriate order in accord
with this decision, obtain approval as to form from petitioner's counsel
and submit it to this Court.
Dated: 2-8-96 [handwritten]
By: [signature]
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Thomas M. Cecil
Judge of the Superior Court
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: SATANIST
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:32:26
EID:7b85 20520c00
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62501c69
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 121c84a7
JP> I've been waiting a week for a response from Asomdeus.
He strained his mojo putting a curse on me.
He'll be out for a while.
JP> ----- HEED JESUS or GO TO HELL --- Your choice ! -----
----- FRUIT SALAD or BAKED PATATO --- Your choice ! ----
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Condemned by Prewett - can't be all bad
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:35:28
EID:2d09 20520c60
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6250262d
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 121c84b0
On Jan 27 13:14 96, John Prewett of 1:355/2.1012 wrote:
JP> "Church of Christ" is a religious group that teaches it is
JP> the "one true Church", and teaches one must be "C.of C."
JP> water baptized to be saved.
JP> "C.of C." denies that Jesus can or will currently baptize
JP> anyone in His Holy Spirit [as per Acts], and "C.of C."
JP> denies the Holy Spirit can inspire anyone to be an apostle
JP> or prophet today.
tsk, tsk... and all this time we thought you were a True Christian.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Steve Rose
|Sub: Al Schroeder
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:45:58
EID:8e87 20520da0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625040f3
REPLY: 1:109/601.0 118042a6
A>> Anyway, in this instance I employed summoning to damage
A>> J.J. (take another) Hitt. It only requires utmost
A>> concentration, and knowledge to employ the correct means for
A>> the job
SR> Useful knowledge is something which ignorant babble fundies
SR> truly lack. It's no wonder you failed in all your attempts
SR> to curse J.J.
It's that line about his "utmost concentration" that cracks me up.
This is the guy who accused David Worrell, Larry Sites and several
other outspoken atheists of being Christians.
(Though I'm not at all sure you're not making the same mistake by
calling Asmodiddly a "babble fundy". Can Buttpimple Satanists
be babble fundies?)
As for the curse, I'll probably resurrect in the next 24 hours or
so. I've got shit I gotta do back on Earth.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Styx on women and the ballot
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:55:24
EID:4201 20520ee0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62505839
SA>> whether someone gets elected or not. It's merely a matter
SA>> of who the majority votes for.
JB> It is also a matter of who the voters have to choose from.
JB> Women do not have the choice in most places and times of
JB> choosing a female representative.
Anyone who has ever attended a party convention (even on the
state or county level) should know that "democracy" has very
little to do with what names end up on the ballot.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Christian Jobs
|Date: 18 Feb 96 02:00:18
EID:18cc 20521000
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REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 12321ee0
JP> Far as I'm concerned, the business owner should be able to
JP> hire or fire for any reason, or no reason at all.
JP> Nobody owes anybody a job.
Everyone is due fair treatment.
Firing someone for "no reason at all" is not fair treatment.
But I don't expect a Christian to grasp such concepts...
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: information
|Date: 18 Feb 96 03:16:58
EID:afd6 20521a00
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62512750
REPLY: 1:206/2720 1800c271
AB> Out of curiosity, why shouldn't children be allowed to
AB> watch porn?
Because their hysterical laughter and comments like "Oooo GROSS!"
will disturb the adults trying to enjoy the film.
Seems to me that when I was in third and fourth grade I was shown
dozens of "History" films that included newsreel footage from WWII.
I must have witnessed at least a 100 people die very violent and
unpleasant deaths. No one was trying to protect me from this
very real form of obscenity.
At the time I (like most of my classmates) thought the films were
"kinda neat". Kids just don't view adult material with an adult
outlook.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: OPINION POLL
|Date: 18 Feb 96 03:30:44
EID:8b24 20521bc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625136b6
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89260E3E
SA>> "Wiggle its arms around! Make it look like it's killing
SA>> you!" -
DC> ROLF! BTW, who's Ed Wood?
You're joking, I hope.
Ed Wood was the producer/director of some of the worst
schlock-horror films ever released.
His work has been enjoying a cult following over the last
decade or so. A case of being sooooo damn bad you're good.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: AL SCHROEDER
|Sub: RE: SILLY FUNDY CLAIMS
|Date: 18 Feb 96 03:36:30
EID:396c 20521c80
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62514424
AS> True, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NT DOCUMENTS (for the most
AS> part) REPRESENT ACTUAL HISTORY. Not necessarily the
AS> miracles, but the disciples dying or being whipped for their
AS> assertions.
Can you provide Biblical references for this claim?
I know that Paul and Peter were beaten and whipped,
but as best I can recall the stoning of Stephan is
the only martrdom detailed in the New Testiment.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Religious Experience
|Date: 18 Feb 96 05:55:12
EID:c089 20522ee0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6253bca9
REPLY: 1:280/9 188e4b27
RB> Maybe Pro-life should change it's name to
RB> Pro-overpopulation.
Don't forget pro-poverty, pro-illiteracy and pro-abuse.
Amd pro-infant mortality due to inadequate pre- and post-natal care
(it's not a concern of theirs if the child dies outside the womb).
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: ABORT THEM ALL! (Then eat Staal's remains.)
|Date: 18 Feb 96 09:09:48
EID:5b7f 20524920
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62544e0a
REPLY: 1:246/15.0 31226b40
SA> (As an aside, I'd laugh like a hyaena if it were found
SA> Swaggart contracted AIDS from his little plaything. It
SA> would just be such poetic justice ..)
Unfortunately there was no danger of that.
He used a condom even when he was only masturbating.
(No, I have no idea WHY.)
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Asmodeus
|Sub: Buttpimple Satanist FAILS again.
|Date: 18 Feb 96 14:53:00
EID:c73a 205276a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62578041
L>> "Wrong Way Asmodeus" huh?
Fitting, don't you think?
A> Anyway, in this instance I employed summoning to damage J.J.
A> (take another) Hitt.
Oh! Oh! I'm damaged!
A> BTW, if this Al is a friend of JJ please give him my
A> apology. It is very likely he caught some slack of the whip
A> as J.J. got lashed, so to speak.
Next time you "lash" someone, use something more substantial than
shoestring licorice.
A> The devils accomplish their work in many ways, not choosing only
A> one path to accomplishing the will of the summoner. It is likely
A> that they also sought out to damage some of JJ's friends, in
A> order to damage him emotionally, as well as performing that
A> which I had wished done.
OH WOE! I am emotionally damaged! OH WOE!
A> I believe this may be the case, as I had invoked Satan a second
A> time in the closing, to help ensure the cooperation of those I
A> summoned, and to add a little strength.
Ah... not only do you actually admit to throwing a "Real Curse",
but it was a Sooper Dooper Extra-Potency Curse.
Guess what....
NOTHING HAPPENED.
A> It is quite possible that His Infernal Majesty was tired of it
A> all, and just struck the first opportunity he saw, to ensure some
A> measure of success.
Maybe he should have called a last minute time out. Or a specialist.
This Infernal Majesty guy just aint got what it takes.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Many Gods
|Date: 18 Feb 96 15:08:54
EID:8172 20527900
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625795c5
BJ> How can you say that I am superstitious? I am not afraid to
BJ> walk under a later or cross the path of a black cat.
Just don't walk under any Ladder Day Saints.
And avoid black cats named "Fly" or "Leroy", especially if they
are trying to sell you a gold chain.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Rob Burcham
|Sub: Kenny is back into his de
|Date: 18 Feb 96 15:13:18
EID:0f43 205279a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6257a07c
REPLY: 1:280/9 17131bcf
On Feb 10 17:50 96, Rob Burcham of 1:280/9 wrote:
AS>> I used to hail from Hampton VA.
RB> I used to rain over Dayton, OH.
I used to shine in Washington, DC.
(There's an oral sex opportunity in this series if anyone wants it.)
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: The Constellation
|Date: 18 Feb 96 15:18:58
EID:af50 20527a40
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6257b0dd
REPLY: 1:261/1000.0 31207eae
DM> I had a job here back in '83, and it was here then--with
DM> rigging, yet. If you're ever in Bawlmer again, let me know.
Actually, I'll be in the Baltimore area later this spring. I'll only
be there one night, though. After visiting the B&O museum and the
Block (I assume it's still there), I'll be heading off for DC and
points further south.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Josh McDowell
|Date: 18 Feb 96 16:53:38
EID:7542 205286a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62588dcd
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 126a1cb5
JP> You have any reason to be sure he wasn't trained to be a lawyer ?
JP> His argument and reasoning is lawyer-like.
His arguments are deceptive and intentionally misleading, which
is certainly lawyer-like.
He's also a slimy bastard... (hmm, you may be on to something here)
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Satanista, no! Pindeho, s
|Date: 18 Feb 96 17:04:40
EID:45b0 20528880
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6258a4f1
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 94f0cc82
KW> Or do you think that it is something that Gardener added?
JH>> Beyond a reasonable doubt.
KW> Now the question becomes: Was it Gardener or Vallente? :)
KW> She wrote most of his ritual.
There I draw a complete blank. I'm admittedly not as well read
on Gardener as I would like.
Memento Mori.
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Satanista, no! Pindeho, s
|Date: 18 Feb 96 17:07:52
EID:45b0 205288e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6258b613
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 94f0cc82
JH> dozen uses of "whereas", "parties of x part" and "it be
JH> resolved that".
JH> If that doesn't bring Crowley back from the dead, it'll
JH> certainly make him spin a few times.
KW> ROTFLMASSTC! Can you just see some HP all done up in his
KW> robes and artifacts reading that off by flickering
KW> candlelight.
I cant even see how judges and lawyers can communicate in that
manner. It never ceases to amaze me that the legal system insists
on holding to language, protocols and customs TOTALY ALIEN to the
society they are trying to regulate. It would be one thing if such
hi-jinx were being carried on at some lodge meeting somewhere, but
unfortunately people's freedom and even their lives depend upon
this totally incomprehesible shit.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: Re: Why
|Date: 18 Feb 96 17:15:22
EID:2b2c 205289e0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6258da26
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org f756c039
JH>> Just how the rituals were performed is left to the
JH>> imagination, but I suspect it was a case of > nudge, nudge> "Tits? Tits? What tits? I don't see no tits.
JH>> Do you see any tits?"
KW> J.J., or they mutually agreed that the baring of the left
KW> breast was not necessary, as there was no dispute that the
KW> person being initiated had tits.
But that would interfere with poking the blindfolded candidate
in the chest with the pointy end of the compass (a very important
part of the ritual).
One has to remember that from the 16th to the 18th century the great
majority of lodges met in taverns. The rituals (in my opinion, of
course) are simply the evolutionary end result of elaborate
practical jokes played in bars. Concider especially the third degree
ritual where the blindfolded candidate is knocked down and rolled
up in a rug, which they then pick up and run around the room with.
That isn't anything but poorly coreographed slapstick.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: hi
|Date: 18 Feb 96 17:38:40
EID:1cf5 20528cc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 6258f9e9
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 601b0541
KW> Because many of them insist on shoving Christ down our
KW> throats.
And those that don't still think their beliefs are due our
"respect". Though Xians are not alone in this insistance. They
think that because their silly shit is called a religion it should
be treated differently from other forms of silly shit.
Sorry, but if the Emperor is walking down the street buckass
naked, I reserve the right to giggle.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Alien
|Date: 18 Feb 96 18:51:46
EID:6a41 20529660
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 62599fa9
I have the good fortune to know someone from Arcturus, who
is living on the Earth plane. She is one of the most spiritually
gifted people I know. My connection with her and her work has
greatly enhanced my own life and spiritual path.
The Arcturians teach that the most fundamental ingredient for
living in the fifth dimension is love. Negativity, fear and guilt
must be overcome and exchanged for love and light.
The Arcturians work in close connection with the ascended masters
whom they call the Brotherhood of the All. They also work closely
with what they refer to as the Galactic Command. The Arcturians
travel the universe in their starships, which are some of the most
advanced in the entire universe.
One of the reasons Earth has not been attacked by warlike negative
extraterrestrials has been those civilizations' fear of the advanced
starships of the Arcturians. Their ships are state-of-the-art
technology, far beyond anything I have mentioned so far. One of the
starships circling the Earth is called the Starship Athena, after
the Greek goddess.
Arcturian society is governed by the elders, who are revered
by the people of Arcturus for their advanced knowledge, wisdom,
and extremely high vibrational frequencies. The higher the
vibrational frequency, the closer one is to Light, or spirit, or
God.
The Arcturians are short in physical statue, about three or four
feet tall, and slender. They look very much alike, which they
are happy about because it erases the pettiness of comparing looks
which is so predominant to Earth society. The Arcturians are the
most loving and nonjudgemental beings you can possibly imagine.
Their skin is a greenish color. They have very large, almond-
shaped eyes. They have only three fingers. They have the ability
to move objects with their minds and are totally telepathic.
Their source of nourishment is an effervescent liquid that is
highly vitalizing to their entire being.
Their eyes are dark brown or black. Their main oran of seeing
is actually their telepathic nature, not their physical eyes.
Their sense of hearing transcends even their telepathic nature.
They also have an ability to sense with the backs of their heads.
The average life span is from three hundred fifty to four
hundred years. Their highly developed spiritual nature has
allowed them to avoid aging, since they have the ability to
transcend time and space. They terminate life when the contract
that has been arranged for their existence is finished. There
is no sickness in Arcturus; it was eliminated centuries ago.
In the Arcturian system there are no extreme temperatures. Their
civilization is one that has transcended duality and lives in
oneness. Professions on Arcturus are determined by a person's
vibrational frequency and the colors in his or her aura. For
example, those who are in charge of taking care of the children must
have violet as the predominant color in their auras, for only the
wisest souls are allowed to associate with the young.
The same is true for those who are allowed to give birth. They
are screened and tested in terms of their auric and vibrational
frequencies, and when chosen by the elders to give birth to an
Arcturian child, people go through an amazing process. The
vibrations of both individuals involved are raised to a seventh-
dimensional frequency for the birthing process to insure bringing in
the most highly evolved souls. (The seventh-dimensional frequency is
that of an ascended master.) Reproduction is an honor on Arcturus
and one of the most highly regarded professions. The actual
reproductive act is not performed in a physical sense as it is
understood on Earth. On Arcturus it is done through a kind of mind
link in which the male and female energies are perfectly balanced.
Through this procreation process, some kind of electron force flows
through the two beings, and it creates another being that is a
replica of the link.
The new life form is then taken to a special room that emanates
the proer vibrational frequencies until the being is ready for
integration into a family unit on Arcturus. Many beings from
Arcturus are seeded onto other planets because the high council
has ordered this as a great act.
On Arcturus there is not competition. Every thought, word, deed,
and product is judged by its ability to raise the vibration closer
to God. If it does not, it does not exist on Arcturus. A person's
frequency of vibration is directly related to the mastery he has over
his body, emotions, thoughts, actions, and creations. Arcturians
have total mastery over these aspects of self. They have developed
the ability to transcend the ego, the separative, lower, fear-based
self. Success is judged only in terms of the measure of Light
frequency. There are machines that constantly check the vibrational
frequencies each individual on the planet is manifesting. If one
particular Arcturian receives feedback that he is not meeting his own
goals for evolution, then immediately the elders send teachers to
help that individual.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
|Date: 18 Feb 96 21:23:22
EID:1b85 2052aae0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625b0dee
REPLY: 1:381/123@fidonet.org 3526cc0f
KW> Sheer defiance, as far as I can tell. Five years ago I was
KW> hoping that the popularization of Rap would kill it. No
KW> such luck . I don't even turn on the radio anymore.
Ugh... tell me about it. It may come as a suprise to some on this
echo, but I am a bit of a fan of "Gospel" music (NOT whitebread
"church" music, but the good times foot stomping stuff that Rock
and Roll and the Blues evolved from).
Unfortunately, Rap (like the creeping cancer that it is) has invaded
that medium as well. Seems like I can't listen for more than 20
minutes before a Gospel-Rap (just replace "motherfucker" with
"Jesus") song comes on.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: All
|Sub: 50 messages in one packet?!
|Date: 18 Feb 96 21:30:27
EID:3cac 2052abc0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625b1779
Holy Shit!
I just pulled a Fred Rice!
Oh, well... It's time I rejoined the living.
I've been dead for 4 days, 15 hours: A new record!
I've out-Jesused Jesus.
Memento Mori.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: Headless Subjects
|Date: 19 Feb 96 00:42:20
EID:0a71 20530540
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625cdd82
REPLY: 1:352/266 31267CFF
MM> Hi, I'm new here and trying to find a place to fit in.
OK... you can be the person who whines about trivialities like
message headers.
MM> Could it be that hard to shift the subject header when
MM> the conversation drifts?
Hard? No, it aint hard. It's fucking scientifically impossible.
The Uncertainty Principle is quite clear on this matter. It's
possible to know where a message IS or where it is GOING TO,
but never both.
Otherwise the Science Demons would gobble you up.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: JIM STAAL
|Date: 19 Feb 96 00:49:40
EID:04fe 20530620
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625ced85
JB> I wouldn't be surprised, either, but would prefer to see
JB> some evidence. If Buchanan becomes the Republican
JB> nominee...surely, even they aren't that stupid. Are they?
I'm loving every minute of this. Now the Republicans know how I felt
as a Democrat durring the 80's. Even with a rather lackluster
president in office their party can't scrape together a single
candidate worth half a damn. And they KNOW it.
(Of course, we really didn't NEED to control the White House,
because we controlled the Congress, just like we have
controlled the entire planet for the last 6000 years.)
It's going to be a fun election year.
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: J.J. Hitt
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: JIM STAAL
|Date: 19 Feb 96 02:13:08
EID:889d 205311a0
MSGID: 1:106/9788.2 625dad4e
REPLY: 1:152/20@fidonet.org 1880299b
SA> I'm familiar with the evils of sexism, Judith. I merely
SA> believe that the claims made by radical "feminists" are
SA> largely exaggerated.
I've heard that argument before.
It was when Matt Giver and Whatsisname-Scot were
talking about the Holocaust.
"OK... so maybe it did happen, BUT JUST A LITTLE."
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt.
--- Msgedsq 2.2e
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Oglesby
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 18 Feb 96 10:11:55
EID:4b72 20525160
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 ce222e42
On (14 Feb 96) Dan Oglesby wrote to Karen Davis...
DO> For God to remove all of the evil in the world, He would have
DO> to remove a large amount of the population of the human race.
DO> Zappo!
That's bullshit! If god had not put evil in the world, there would
not be any people who were evildoers, as evil would not be an
option. Zappo! There goes your argument. Instead of thinking in
terms of removing those who participate in the possible, think in
terms of evil being an impossibility, just as flying without wings
in an impossibility.
So, the rest of your argument just went bye-bye. Zappo!
... I see that your lobotomy was a success.
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Marilyn Burge
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ah
|Date: 18 Feb 96 10:10:28
EID:babb 20525140
MSGID: 1:105/40.666 72da168b
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89270E21
On (17 Feb 96) Dan Ceppa wrote to Masochistic Maiden...
-> On 02-15-96 21:43, Masochistic Maiden got back to Fsns Goliath Bbs
FB> 4.15 ARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM
MM> etc. How can I obtain all of these argumentation fomats. They are
by
MM> the way GREAT!
DC> You seem to be new here.. Goliath is the automatated FAQ mailer.
DC> I didn't save the last copy, but it looks like I should have...
DC> Any how, Coridon Henshaw may have the complete list, or any number
DC> of the regulars may have it stored away for future reference.
DC> BTW, nice to see I'm not alone in this Echo in this corner of
DC> the country. Was getting lonely here... }:-)
Am I no longer deemed to be in your corner?
... Reality is totally unaffected by your strongest belief!
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|From: Keith Pachulski
|To: The Raven
|Sub: THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE A
|Date: 18 Feb 96 08:12:33
EID:06c0 20524180
MSGID: 1:272/72.0 8927AFDD
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0455
-> My evidence? Simple: I hold this view of Wicca myself. Sure,
Learn what the word evidence means.....
-> probably inaccurate, but that is how I view it. Most of the people I
-> practicing it are women who are "looking to escape the patriarchal
-> dictatorship of standard religions and tap into the secret, hidden po
-> the female being". (Quote, unquote from Kathryn Hurdt, proud member
-> Wiccan faith.)
->
-> Jack Butler
LOL....ignorance is bliss
...uhh...look we forgot a nail...would you mind crossing your feet ?
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: hi
|Date: 18 Feb 96 14:15:00
EID:ea8a 205271e0
MSGID: 1:272/99 00123b76
(On 02-13-96 Andrew Masten replied to Brian Kolacy)
A M>-=> Quoting Brian Kolacy to Andrew Masten <=-
AM> AM> AM> No. I'm under the new covenent, not the old. The N.T. also
AM> AM> AM> forbids witch craft ect. ect.
AM> BK> Wait a minute...Did Christ say "Ok, forget all the old stuff,
AM> BK> this is what your supposed to do now", or was he just appending
AM> BK> what your god said? If your under a "new covenent" [sic], why
AM> BK> does your Bible contain the Old Testament?
AM> The new testament is a fulfilment of the old testament, not an
AM> annulment. Christ said to love your neighbor as yourself, and you
AM> would be living by the law and the prophets.
So, do you wear clothing of mixed fibers?
AM> Just out of curiosity, if you think Christ is no more that a
AM> fictitional character,
It's entirely possible that Christ was fictional. But i didn't say
anything like that. I *will* say that the the story of Christ has
ficitonal aspects.
AM> why the concern with what Christians
AM> believe??
I find it amusing that people follow a mythology. What I find
concerning is when people who follow a mythology try to force their
ideas on others, and kill people because of their myths.
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Worship 3 gods for the price of 1... Christianity
þ CMPQwk 1.42 9044 þ
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Aaron Boyden
|Sub: legend
|Date: 18 Feb 96 14:15:00
EID:af67 205271e0
MSGID: 1:272/99 00123b81
(On 02-15-96 Aaron Boyden replied to Brian Kolacy)
AB>It is generally believed that the Gospels were based on an earlier
AB>tradition.
But which do you study? The early traditions, or the books themselves?
AB> Modern scholars don't even believe they were the first
AB>bits of the New Testament to be written; the authentic writings of
AB>Paul, whichever they were, were probably earlier.
That's a nice story, but do you have any documentation for this?
*Which* modern scholars. The earliest date I've found with regard to
Paul's writing is 50 C.E. Seems like plenty of time to come up with
some stories about Jesus...
Now, why do you worship books written by men?
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Never eat a hedgehog without peeling it first.
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|From: Brian Kolacy
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 18 Feb 96 14:15:00
EID:bcfe 205271e0
MSGID: 1:272/99 00123b8d
(On 02-14-96 Andrew Masten replied to Brian Kolacy)
AM> BK> As do the ones I list that contradict yours. I could find some
AM> BK> more, but, since you haven't even read your Bible completely,
AM> BK> it would be a waste of time.
AM>
AM> Brian, its nice to see you read the bible, its a shame you don't
AM> know what it means.
You're saying that the words mean something other than what they say?
AM> You quoted instances when God was either
AM> smitting the enemies of Israel, or chastising His own people. Have
AM> your parents ever corrected you?
Hey, my parents never claimed to be omnibenevolent...or omniscient, for
that matter. Seems this god of yours knew full well what the people
being killed were going to do, and could have issued them some sort of
warning. Or, he could have truly given us free will, which Christians
are always saying their god gives them, and left the people on earth the
fuck alone. Either your gods taking too personal an interest, or not
enough....
AM> Did it mean they didn't love. I
AM> let you know a little secret, if they didn't correct you, it was
AM> because they didn't love you.
Hmmm...my parents wouldn't kill me, and call it "correction". And then
have the audacity to say they killed me because of love. *This* is wht
Christianity is scary! You seem to be on your way to becoming another
Paul Hill!
Cheers!
Brian C. Kolacy
brian.kolacy@leading.org
http://ny.frontiercomm.net/~mephisto/
... Worship 3 gods for the price of 1... Christianity
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|From: Ross Catto
|To: Eric Hendrix
|Sub: Christianity
|Date: 18 Feb 96 21:45:00
EID:e66e 2052ada0
MSGID: 1:229/15@fidonet.org 839e2285
Seems like we agree on a lot of things. Except, perhaps, your
comment "Perhaps not truth, but definitely faith" in reply to my
comment that we can't base our beliefs on how we feel. (specifically,
'I don't think how you feel when you're talking to someone is a good
guide to faith'.)
If this was so, you'd worship god only when you felt good. Also,
who is to say they which god is true if you have only your feelings
and your faith to rely on? People have had faith in all sorts of
crazy things, and crazy people.
You are an exception if you own no credit cards. Yet the command
not to owe anything doesn't make distinctions between needs and wants.
By taking any kind of loan out, a Christian is disobeying a direct
command from god not to.
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|From: Don Ward
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: CPu parts
|Date: 18 Feb 96 06:08:57
EID:1ee1 20523100
MSGID: 1:388/14.0 312716d9
PID: BWRA 3.02 [Reg]
TID: GE 1.11+
While listening in I heard
David Worrell speaking about CPu partsDW>12 Feb 96 06:16, Don Ward wrote
to :
DW> I have a Intel 386dx 25MHZ motherboard with math co-proccesser. I"
DW> take $30.00 dollars for it...
DW>
DW>Not only do you steal shareware, you apparently also try to rob people.
Is it that you cannot afford it? Or are you just hooked on that 8088,
hoping that someday it will evolve into a 286? Or did you just get off of
that short yellow bus?
Replace Bill Clinton with a republican.
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|From: Don Ward
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Are you a LACKEY?
|Date: 18 Feb 96 06:08:58
EID:ccb6 20523100
MSGID: 1:388/14.0 312716da
PID: BWRA 3.02 [Reg]
TID: GE 1.11+
While listening in I heard
Dan Ceppa speaking about wrong board-> On 02-15-96 09:18, Don Ward got
back to J.j. Hitt
DW> Grow up little boy!
DC>It must be spring planting time. Looks like you are back to
DC>provide the fertilizer for the fields. Good thing too, as
DC>Staal has taken a powder. We can use your effluence.
Look little Styx "lackey" I don't asssociate with your trival little bunch
of agnostics anymore.. So find something to believe in even if it's
yourself...
Replace Bill Clinton with a republican.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Whooping Crane tastes
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:10:52
EID:7407 20520940
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 3127cc6e
REPLY: 1:350/401.0 89260E32
-=> Quoting Dan Ceppa to Sue Alexander <=-
HP> Now, Sue, everyone knows that human skin is suitable only for book
DC> Just how long did it take for you to forget the example that
DC> Staal provided us with? He wrapped shit with his.
SA> However, not very efficiently. It kept oozing through the skin
SA> at his fingertips and into the messages he wrote. I would not suggest
SA> it for a long term solution.
DC> That's just because he's one big bile sac.
Of course! What else would explain his jaunticed view of life?
Sue
... If you think you are confused, wait until I explain it.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:37:35
EID:ad7a 20520ca0
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 3127cc6f
ON PRAYER
Mal-2 was once asked by one of his Disciples if he often prayed to Eris.
He replied with these words:
No, we Erisians seldom pray, it is much too dangerous. Charles Fort has
listed many factual incidences of ignorant people confronted with, say,
a
drought, and then praying fervently -- and then getting the entire
village wiped out in a torrential flood.
Quoted from the holy book Principia Discordia
... Don't blame me, I didn't start this thread.
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|From: Sue Alexander
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 18 Feb 96 01:43:46
EID:ad7a 20520d60
PID: BWMAX2 3.10 [Reg]
MSGID: 1:121/45.0 3127cc70
THE MYTH OF THE APPLE OF DISCORD
It seems that Zeus was preparing a wedding banquet for Peleus and
Thetis and did not want to invite Eris because of Her reputation as a
trouble maker.*
This made Eris angry, and so She fashioned an apple of pure gold**
and inscribed upon it KALLISTI ("To The Prettiest One") and on the day of
the fete She rolled it into the banquet hall and then left to be alone
and joyously partake of a hot dog.
Now, three of the invited goddesses,*** Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite,
each immediately claimed it to belong to herself because of the
inscription. And they started fighting, and they started throwing punch
all over the place and everything.
Finally Zeus calmed things down and declared that an arbitrator must
be selected, which was a reasonable suggestion, and all agreed. He sent
them to a shepherd of Troy, whose name was Paris because his mother had
had a lot of gaul and had married a Frenchman; but each of the sneaky
goddesses tried to outwit the others by going early and offering a bribe
to Paris.
Athena offered him Heroic War Victories, Hera offered him Great
Wealth, and Aphrodite offered him the Most Beautiful Woman on Earth.
Being a healthy young Trojan lad, Paris promptly accepted Aphrodite's
bribe and she got the apple and he got screwed.
As she had promised, she maneuvered earthly happenings so that Paris
could have Helen (The Helen) then living with her husband Menelaus,King
of Sparta. Anyway, everyone knows that the Trojan War followed when
Sparta demanded their Queen back and that the Trojan War is said to be
The First War among men.
And so we suffer because of the Original Snub. And so a Discordian
is to partake of No Hot Dog Buns.
Do you believe that?
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* This is called THE DOCTRINE OF THE ORIGINAL SNUB
** There is historic disagreement concerning whether this apple was of
metalic gold or acapulco.
*** Actually there were five goddesses, but the Greeks did not know the
Law
of Fives.
Taken from the holy book Principia Discordia...have you gotten the point
YET??
... God so loved the world that He made up His mind to damn most of it.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
* Origin: The Sacred Scribe, 1-608-238-3837, USR DS V.34 (1:121/45)
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