God Damned Fundies!
|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: churches
|Date: 23 Feb 96 13:11:00
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-> On 02-21-96 09:01, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> the first message I've seen addressed _From_ you in quite some
AS> has been as blind to my messages as you) and he hasn't been seeing
AS> them. So I can now get Washington state but NOT nearby Alabama. Truly
Someone else living in that general area had complained about the
same thing a while back. Something about the way the feeds were
being handled regular vs. PC....
AS> system (actually a used one, but comprable to my old) and was able to
AS> save my RAM chips out of the old one, AND, although the hard drive in
From what you have described, I'm surprised that they even work...
AS> new, so none of our files on the hard drive will be lost! (Yes, we did
Tha can be a help.
AS> have most of them backed up on disc. Most of those discs are now
AS> interrestingly warped by the heat.) Should have it this Saturday. Even
I'm not sure if you can do anything with them. However, I've got
some badly warped 5 1/4's that are still usable...
AS> us money to help make up for some of our losses. And the main thing
AS> is, all we lost were things, not people.
That's the main thing.
... "Oh, bother", said Pooh as he lit the fuse on the dynamite.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: holysmoke.faq.ah
|Date: 23 Feb 96 13:14:00
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-> On 02-21-96 07:26, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa
MB> Am I no longer deemed to be in your corner?
DC> Do I detect a pout?
MB> Probably. How does it look? Okay? I just got it yesterday,
MB> and I'm trying it out for the first time. Is it my color?
Hard to say... I'm trying to simulate one, just to get an idea
about how one would look, but it's hard to pout when you are laughing!
DC> aren't posting from WA State. (or are you?)
MB> True. I was born there, though. Does that count?
Welllll, maybe a bit...
DC> area. After all, I've got Armsted to deal with... Good thing
DC> I like a good laugh!
MB> If you didn't, what would you be doing here?
I'd have no idea, as 2/3's + of this Echo is far too full of
laughs and good fun.
... "I'd be 'Erudite' if I knew what the fuck it meant..." Jim Staaled
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: The Constellation
|Date: 23 Feb 96 13:20:00
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-> On 02-21-96 01:04, Al Schroeder got back to Dan Ceppa
AS> I can walk in and ALMOST not get any burning smell. Maybe. Or have I
AS> just gotten used to it?
It takes some time, that's for sure.
DC> Yep, contrary to Jesse, I'm an atheist that cares!
AS> Never doubted it, Dan. Appreciate the concern.
Saved to ATHEIST.CAR File for future reference. Thanks!
AS> ... Honest Officer! That cat was on fire when I got here.
Does your insurance company know about that? Then, too, you
should mention Ass-More-Diddle-us to your list of suspects, especially
if it was a black cat....
... The meek may inherit earth. Those who dare, the stars.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: About Staal!
|Date: 23 Feb 96 18:30:00
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-> On 02-22-96 04:14, Kenneth Mcabee got back to Fredric Rice
FR> And you're a false Christian because you won't drink up.
KM> Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.
He's not tempting his god, he's tempting your lack of belief.
... Would you punish your kids for eternity?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Dawn Kleuser
|Sub: Angels or Demons???
|Date: 23 Feb 96 18:36:00
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-> On 02-21-96 16:06, Dawn Kleuser got back to All
DK> children with women? Were they truly Sons of God? In my own thinking,
DK> these angels WERE Sons of God, but, like Lucifer, they were EVIL. That
That's because it is your god that created evil in the first place.
And, like a little kid playing with matches, your god doesn't have
enough sense to put the fire out.
... Christianity: A house of cards lacking a first floor. gr
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Re: children
|Date: 23 Feb 96 18:49:00
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-> On 02-22-96 20:29, Michael Hardy got back to Elliott Finesse
> MH> portrayed in the Old Testament as occasionally championing the
> MH> destruction of entire cities, including the presumably innocent
EF> Mike, sorry, but you don't have an explanation period.
MH> Yes, I do. It just isn't unambiguous and simplistic. It is that God
I has to be that way so that you can alibi your death god out of
his atrocities.
MH> punishes those guilty of evil. If God did indeed order the killing of
MH> truly innocent children along with the guilty adults, then I would
MH> suppose that the ending of their physical life was not the judgment,
Gee, that's sweet: "Hey, I'm gonna kill you, children, but I'm
doing this for your own good. You'll thank me for the pain that
I'm going to inflict on your pre-pubescent minds and bodies.": God.
MH> but what happens after. If so, then I believe the innocent children
MH> who, unfortunately, lost their physical lives, gain eternal life in
"You older girls... Yeah, you all there. If you can prove that
you are a virgin, you will be saved....for those men over there.": God.
... Mark 16:15-18. Shall I pour?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: flood
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:04:00
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-> On 02-20-96 08:01, Andrew Masten got back to Rob Burcham
RB> people 'believe' they've been abducted by aliens. Are you willing
RB> to accept THEIR beliefs?
AM> If, on threat of execution by torture, they did not recant, I
AM> would be compelled to believe they were not fabricating a story.
Seems like the witches in Salem didn't recant and they died for
their beliefs. As it was xians that where torturing them and
executing them, their belief must mean more than your belief.
... At first they burn books. Eventually they burn people.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: hi
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:13:00
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-> On 02-20-96 08:08, Andrew Masten got back to Brian Kolacy
BK> It's entirely possible that Christ was fictional. But i didn't say
BK> anything like that. I *will* say that the the story of Christ has
BK> ficitonal aspects.
AM>
AM> Do you think its entirely possible that Aristotle, Julius Ceaser,
AM> Nero and Plato are fictional characters?
So what if they are? In any event, none of them are claimed to
be gods. Your Jesus, however, it touted to be one via your
superstitious beliefs.
Care to provide the independent evidence that supports that
rather spectacular claim of yours?
... +Origin: MERGANSER NETWORK: QUACKING FOR JEEEEZUS!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: legend
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:20:00
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-> On 02-22-96 21:12, Michael Hardy got back to Brian Kolacy
MH> Are you unaware of the Jerusalem Church, which grew up -- as the name
MH> implies -- in Jerusalem, the same city where Jesus was crucified? And
MH> well before Paul's conversion, too.
And it died with the rest of that church c. 70 CE at Massada.
It was a Jewish sub-cult, and remained so until it's demise.
... Jewish Dilemma - Free Ham
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:25:00
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-> On 02-22-96 21:15, Michael Hardy got back to Kevin D. Mckenzie
MH> However, that's not what the gospels and letters of Paul say about
MH> him. If you accept them as historical documents, but reject most of
Would you accept the propaganda issued by either side in WW II
as "historical documents" that protrayed facts?
... Trust a god who will send me to hell because of the way HE made me?
DD
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Question
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:28:00
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-> On 02-22-96 22:08, Michael Hardy got back to George Rudzinski
GR> Are there any Black users of this echo?
MH> Why should it matter?
It shouldn't, as you note.
MH> We're all colored people of some shade or other.
Can I choose dark blue? I look good in blue...
... "Inconceivable!" - Vinzinni
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't drink it eith
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:37:00
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-> On 02-22-96 04:04, Kenneth Mcabee got back to Fredric Rice
FR> Drink up.
KM> Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.
It's not his god, Kenny. He can tempt the bastard you worship
all he wants. It's you that are afraid to be tempted to into
showing your devotion to your god.
... Mark 16:15-18. I'll pour.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:42:00
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-> On 02-20-96 07:58, Andrew Masten got back to Martin Goldberg
MG> Does the name "Jim Jones" ring a bell?
AM> Jim Jones was a pyschotic. That he didn't adhere to Christ's
AM> teaching is self evident.
Provide the evidence that Jones was not Jesus Christ on his
second trip down here and he raptured his followers.
... Fundamentalism: "By sword or by cross." America's Homegrown Deathcult.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: tru fuls
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:49:00
EID:69c2 20579e20
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-> On 02-22-96 20:46, Michael Hardy got back to Elliott Finesse
MH> I'm not calling them fools on my own authority; just reporting what
MH> God's word says. (Psalms 14:1 and 53:1.)
Got a picture of your god performing the interview? How about
some file footage of him showing his backside to Abraham? When's
he gonna go for the Big Time and do a show on Donahue?
... "Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a savior out of this virgin!"
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Joanna Amren
|Sub: URL!
|Date: 23 Feb 96 19:51:00
EID:f187 20579e60
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-> On 02-20-96 20:49, Joanna Amren got back to Fredric Rice
-> ~*~ Don't take me for an idiot...please...because I am NOT an idiot.
-> - Joanna Amren (Defending Christanic Creationism myths)
JA> I still insist that I am not an idiot.:) I could have
JA> been...then...but not now. Find a differnt person to pick on.
Does that mean that you gave up on your religion?
... When you think for yourself, you know!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: Religions In Canada - Sta
|Date: 23 Feb 96 20:34:00
EID:c9d3 2057a440
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 892D0E2C
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-> On 02-20-96 17:19, Sue Armstrong got back to Richard Morrison
SA> From: Religions in Canada, Statistics Canada Census 1991 #93-319
SA> Catholic: 12,335,255 Protestant: 9,780,710
SA> (Just to drive Prewett nuts, you know) :)
Then, tell them that's not the scores at half-time, but the finals!
... Jesus Saves, Gretzki scores on the rebound!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Sue Armstrong
|Sub: The Constitution of the U
|Date: 23 Feb 96 20:39:00
EID:67c4 2057a4e0
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-> On 02-20-96 21:53, Sue Armstrong got back to Jesse Jones
SA> THe following is, AFAIK, the ENTIRE Constitution of the USSR, as
SA> ratified in 1977 under Brezhnev. Read it all and then tell me
Thanks for u/l the files. Duly saved, at least as long on my
floppy drives doesn't go south again. (got some cold weather
again...>
... Why be Politically Correct when you CAN be RIGHT?
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 23 Feb 96 20:46:00
EID:b57d 2057a5c0
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 892D0E2E
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-22-96 21:33, Michael Hardy got back to Dan Ceppa
MB> There's a book written by a fellow who has two Ph.D's -- one in
MB> law, the other in Jungian psychology. He wrote a wonderful book
MH> He sounds like a condescending twit.
DC> Have your read his book? Better yet, have you ever met the
DC> author in person?
MH> Did you read my whole post?
Did you ever stop to think before you posted what you did?
MH> If so, your editing of it is a deliberate
MH> deception.
Bullshit, Mikey. I posted just what you wrote. Care to comment
on you comment that "He sounds like a condescending twit."?
After all, Mikey, you wrote it. Or, are you going to call that
bit of writing an "allegory"?
MH> I specifically said that my opinion was based on Marilyn's
MH> report, and nothing more.
Then, Mikey, you have absolutely no basis to have made your
statement, as you admit to not knowing the author, nor have
you even read a single one of his works.
MH> That means (to any intelligent person) that
The disclaimer excludes you, I see.
MH> if the author's actual presentation differs from her portrayal of it,
MH> the opinion is inoperative.
Your brain has gone inoperative as you sink even lower into a
fundamentalist mode.
... "Be not righteous overmuch." -- Ecclesiastes 7:16
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 23 Feb 96 21:04:00
EID:691f 2057a880
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-> On 02-22-96 07:39, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa
-> On 02-18-96 18:45, Michael Hardy got back to Marilyn Burge
MB> There's a book written by a fellow who has two Ph.D's -- one in
MB> law, the other in Jungian psychology. He wrote a wonderful book
MH> He sounds like a condescending twit.
DC> Have your read his book? Better yet, have you ever met the
MB> Methinks there's a condescending twit around here, but it ain't
MB> Edmund D. Cohen.
Care to bet that Mikey claims "allegory" or some other stance to
show that he didn't mean that Cohen was "a condescending twit"?
Rhetorical on my part, for sure, as I've seen his comment back
to me. He'd do far better if Barney was his proofreader. A
bit truth and that sugar coating that Mikey claims to have
has been washed away, like his personal version of the flood
and his stance on a "Virgin Birth" for his godling.
I used to think that he had a cognizant brain. Probably only
wishful thinking on my part, as his theology runs far too
deep to allow him to use it in any constructive manner. :\{
... "Oh, bother," said Pooh as he centered the crosshairs on Tigger.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: 2 thirds
|Date: 23 Feb 96 21:08:00
EID:f066 2057a900
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 892D0E30
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
Preston, I couldn't find my file on this, but it looks like
Andy make my case for me!
* Originally By: Andrew Masten
* Originally To: Dan Ceppa
* Originally Re: Thumb-sucking Fundy
* Original Area: HolySmoke
* Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12
DC> It's not. It's low. The figure is closer to 2/3. Assisted abortions
DC> are less tha 2% of the total.
I read 2 articles in Groliers Encyclopedia. One agreed that up to 2/3.
However the majority of these pregnacies are terminated before the women
is aware she is pregnant. In most cases, something is terribly wrong.
----------------------
See also my reply to Andy...
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 23 Feb 96 21:20:00
EID:2167 2057aa80
MSGID: 1:350/401.0 892D0E31
TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0416
-> On 02-21-96 08:22, Andrew Masten got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> It's not. It's low. The figure is closer to 2/3. Assisted abortions
DC> are less tha 2% of the total.
AM>
AM> I read 2 articles in Groliers Encyclopedia. One agreed that up to
AM> 2/3.
Thank you so kindly in confirming my case for me.
AM> However the majority of these pregnacies are terminated before
AM> the women is aware she is pregnant. In most cases, something is
AM> terribly wrong.
Seems like your god would do far better in making sure that any
and all pregnacies are "correct". Or, isn't your god capable
of handling trifles like that?
AM> Attributing these deaths to God is inflammatory
AM> rhetoric.
DC> Why would that be inflammatory? After all, they died not from
DC> anything other than your god being unwilling to allow them to
DC> come to term.
AM> When someone who claims they don't believe in God, attributes to
AM> God some evil, its being inflammatory.
Try again, Andy. You claim a benevolent god. You tell me why
my sisters had to go through the misery that they did to have
the childeren that they now have. They wanted childeren, yet
you god not only denied them that fact, he allowed them to
think that they were going to have them and took them away.
AM> all the successful births to the blessing and goodness of God?
DC> If you want to. But, then, you will have to admit that your god
DC> is the world's largest provider of abortions. Either that, or that
AM> No Dan, the problem is with man who rejected God's plan for him.
IOW, you can't answer to the pain that my sisters experienced
physically and emotionally that your "god" caused.
Rejecting your god is a call to life. Believing in him is wallowing
in your death-cult.
... "2 of 3 abortions are by God's will." Grollier's Encyclopedia
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|From: Dawn Kleuser
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Yo...
|Date: 22 Feb 96 16:54:00
EID:c0ad 205686c0
MSGID: 1:284/120 570387f0
TID: InterEcho 1.16 6E011262
(*WHILE ROLLING AROUND ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING*) I admit shamefully that I
did, indeed, ask for such a response. My reader did not pick up the word
"debate" after "religous". So, unawares, I "asked" for a fight and got
one. And, unfortunately, my reader also did not pick up your messg to me,
and I only had time to scan it while online. I'll go back to it later.
But, in the meantime, let's chat. Tell me, are your angels notorious for
masturbating on church walls also? I have heard of that being done, as
well as other most gruesomely blasphemous behavior, like the ones you mention.
Are you some sort of Pagan Occultist? With a name like J.j. Hitt, I'd wonder.
The angels I speak of commit no more crime than that of wearing polyester
once in awhile, so I guess that makes 'em pretty boring compared to yours.
I'd love to hear more about them. And I'm not sorry to report that your
attempt at shocking the crap out of me has failed miserably, Buck Wheat.
Where I cum from, NOTHING is out of the ordinary...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:6a61 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 68e0bbb6
KM>Not trying to scare you George, never tried to scare anyone around here,
or
KM>while I out on the street preaching the gospel. (BTW your opinion of
me, don'
Show up on MY street and you may get a real QUICK trip to 'heaven'...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:7a3d 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 996f4ef9
GM> FASHION OR FAITH?
GM> Read: 1 Corinthians 1:18-25
If you can't write something original, go the fuck away.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: points
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:273d 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org d067d2a9
MH> MB> When we get messages all the time telling us that a global flood
MH> MB> really, really happened; that dead people really, really do get
up
MH> In the case of the flood, you're right. In the other two cases, though,
MH> your evidence that the claims are untrue amounts to "is not."
Ah. Lettuce and onions, but no tomatos...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:9e1a 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org b7f12569
MH> People who feel victimized by others often take it as evidence that
God
MH> doesn't exist. What they fail to appreciate is the same moral freedom
MH> that God allows their victimizer also benefits themselves. We all sin,
Nope. I don't sin. Never have.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: 1 god plus 1 god plus
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:e381 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org c1f631f3
MH> you'll find that most of the atheists on Holy Smoke take the Bible much
MH> more literally than many Christians do. ;-)
ROFL! There's one for the FAQ, even with the smiley!!
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Preston Simpson
|Sub: One God not three
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:9800 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 64009029
PS>evil that wouldn't involve getting rid of most of the human race? (hint-
PS>look at the definition of omnipotence: "able to do anything." Anything
PS>covers a lot of ground, Dan. Try not to limit yourself to what you can
PS>imagine.)
PS> DO> Everyone who has done anything wrong in their life, (and I believe
we
PS> DO> all have at one time or another) are now removed. But it doesn't
stop
PS>Wait. How does "doing something wrong" coincide with being evil? I did
PS>things wrong in math classes all the time. Did that make me evil?
Only if you divided by zero.
PS> DO> would become total robots with God pushing all of the buttons,,,,
and
PS> DO> then we would be claiming how God isn't fair, and we should be
allowed
PS> DO> to live our own lives......etc.
PS>Would we? Robots don't complain, Dan.
Which he should know, since he's already one.
PS> DO> Ain't much help, but it does make sense when you think about it.
PS>No, it doesn't, but thanks anyway.
ROFL
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: a miracle in the making
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:a2ce 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 6d308e87
DC> GtP> Are you having a bad week or something?
DC> JH> I'm dead, stupid.
DC>What's that? A superfluous comma ala Maria Russell?
Aw shit, another keyboard...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Chicken Crossing
|Date: 24 Feb 96 07:19:00
EID:fead 20583a60
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 8cf1bbcb
DC> * Originally By: Sam Lefkowitz
DC> * Originally To: All
DC> * Originally Re: Chicken Crossing
DC> WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
DC> TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only kind of trip the
DC> Establishment would let it take.
BILL GATES: It's my chicken and my road. None of your business.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: points
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:25:59
EID:239b 20587320
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 892B43A3
MG>> This is a killer. You don't believe the bible's account of
MG>> the flood, but you believe that jesus was born to a virgin
MG>> and that a dead man got up and walked away? This is getting
MG>> rich.
MH> Er ... I've been on record here on all three issues for two
MH> years now, Martin. Weren't you paying attention?
Let's make it much simpler then....Do you believe in an all powerful and
merciful god?
It's the same thing. Unmitigated mythology.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Re: Evidence
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:28:53
EID:e39e 20587380
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 892B43A7
MH> Similarly, the odds that a big bang governed by nothing but luck
MH> will produce some arrangement of matter is pretty good. The
MH> odds that it will produce an arrangement of matter capable
MH> of sustaining *any* kind of life are effectively zero.
I'll pull a Hector on you. Step off of a building and see wht happens.
do you fall to your death? Sure you do. So the designer was at fault,
making gravity a thing that can deal death. Why can't he have designed
gravity to do the good that it does without having bad side effects. Kids
fall off of high places every day and end up in emergency rooms. Why didn't
your god think of that?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: information
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:32:46
EID:aee9 20587400
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REPLY: 1:3625/470.0 892B43B3
MH> woman's face and breasts. It is sickeningly animalistic. There
MH> is no soul to it. There is not even emotion to it. The
MH> people need not even know one another's names -- and they
MH> are performing the most intimate human interaction for an
MH> audience, people they don't know and who don't know them. It
MH> makes a mockery of intimacy.
While I do not disagree with your appraisal of porn, you have to remember
that it is not something that is based on emotion. It is something that
is based on the physical act alone.
It is my belief that the purpose of porn, as well as prostitution is not
gratifiaction of sexual desires as we know them, but to fulfill desires
of power over another human. Many men are attracted to women and those
women thta are willing can act as s3ex objects for them. Some are not so
picky and select the young and old for their fantasies which are actually
acts of physical violence. Porn, in a way, is a stand in for the act of
domination and seeing another human subjected to what you might consider
a debasing act is actually why they view it. It is their stand in for prostitution.
I do nto judge it's value. There will always be those that are willing
to do this sort of thing. I actually think that in this manner it helps
those who see a need to debase others from engaging in the act of rape.
I do not morally censure porn. It is something tht I believe, serves a
purpose and while those involved in it are not compelled to do it, I have
no arguement with it.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:45:58
EID:f685 205875a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 62a685ff
REPLY: 1:100/435.1 5da92de4
JB> "The LORD said to Moses, 'Avenge the people of Israel on the
JB> Midianites; afterward you shall be gathered to your
JB> people.'"
JB> Note that in reading on _after_ that, all the actions taken were
JB> taken at the instructions of _Moses_. God does not again
JB> speak until 31:25, in which no hint of the slaughter is
JB> mentioned. (This is about distribution of the booty.)
This is just so much rhetoric. God told Moses to avenge himself. What
else did god mean? God meant for the hebrews to out and kill their enemies.
God does then speak about the division of the booty. He makes no mention
of what a terrible thing this was or why the hebrews should never gone out
and slaughtered those people. He never tells them that Moses as misunderstood
him.
Your god gave orders to murder those people. And his willing slaves wne
tout and did it.
Really. You fundies will try anything, including believing the rest of
us to be stupid too.
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:53:14
EID:79a1 205876a0
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 62a68925
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 312cded5
MG>> Does the name "Jim Jones" ring a bell?
AM> Jim Jones was a pyschotic. That he didn't adhere to Christ's
AM> teaching is
AM> self evident.
Diod you ever ask Jim if he adhered to christ's teachings? Had he said
"yes" who would we believe, you or he?
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|From: Martin Goldberg
|To: Sean McCullough
|Sub: wrong board
|Date: 24 Feb 96 14:59:50
EID:5834 20587760
MSGID: 1:124/9005.221 62a697d9
REPLY: 1:128/203.666@fidonet.org 1b00813a
>> Now if Bill gets reelected, will you move to Mexico or
>> something?
SM> What did the Mexicans ever do to you, that you would wish Psycho
SM> Ward on them??
You've never eaten at Escondido's, have you?
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|From: George Mooth
|To: All
|Sub: Our Daily Bread
|Date: 23 Feb 96 13:44:00
EID:d432 20576d80
February 25 Sunday
HOW TO HANDLE FEAR
Read: Psalm 56
Whenever I am afraid, I will
trust in You. -Psalm 56:3
Some years ago as I lay in a hospital bed, I overheard two women
talking in a waiting room outside my door. Evidently the husband of
one of them was in critical condition. She had been under extreme
stress and was greatly concerned about his recovery. She said to
her friend, "you know, when you're as worried as I am, you just have
to smoke!"
That made me think about how people handle their fears. Some turn
to alcohol, others turn to food, and some to busyness. The psalmist
gave us a better solution to the problem of fear. He said,
"Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You" (56:3). It's tragic
when we turn to something other than the Lord to fill the void or
cover up the pain we're feeling.
If we have put our faith in God's Son, Jesus Christ, we can have
confidence that our heavenly Father sees us in our trials and has
promised His protection. In times of distress, we can place our
trust in the Lord. He wants us to call on Him so that He can
encourage us with His presence and give us His peace.
As you rest in the Lord and rely on Him today, you will be able to
say with the psalmist, "Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You."
-Richard W. De Haan
Nothing is hid from His all-seeing eye,
Never a teardrop nor even a sigh;
Anxious and troubled you never need be -
Trust Him completely and doubtings will flee. -Nienhuis
WHEN FEAR KNOCKS AT YOUR DOOR,
LET FAITH OPEN IT.
OUR DAILY BREAD, Copyright 1996 by Radio Bible Class, Grand Rapids,
Michigan. Used by permission.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: David Robins
|Sub: QUOTE
|Date: 23 Feb 96 14:33:00
EID:31be 20577420
-=> Quoting David Robins to Fredric Rice <=-
DR> Evolution is ultimately from the devil, for if people believe that
DR> they are products of random chance they will never turn to God.
Then you admit that god lies by planting fossil evidence of evolution?
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: out of focus
|Date: 23 Feb 96 18:19:00
EID:c577 20579260
MM> Hmmmm can I quote you in a speech I'm making next May 5th? Or in a
MM> article I must turn in Oct.25th? You have done a wonderful job on
this
MM> of writing and it would be a wonderful addition.
There should have been a header on that one (or on part 1) showing that
I
didn't write it myself. I took it off the web to post to Mike Hardy in
answer to his defense of Focus on the Family. I THOUGHT I had caught all
the grunging and deletions that the combination of my editor and the board
I use had done, but if the disclaimer is not there, then I must have
missed some.
If you have a web browser, set it to search for Focus on the Family. This
piece came up in a site that is ANTI-FoF. Once the new computer comes back,
I'll look and see if I can find the URL for you. The piece had a disclaimer
on it that said it could be used and distributed if the proper attribution
was used. I left it on so if you didn't see it then something happened
between here and there.
Typical for this computer. Well, it will be dead for 3 days but when
resurrected will be a miracle of technology.
... ...The Ron & Nancy Reagan Computer: No colon, no period, no memory.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: ALIEN AUTOPSY
|Date: 24 Feb 96 06:10:00
EID:726e 20583140
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Steve Rose <=-
JB> Do you have sources for these "malaprops?" The mike, the phone cord,
JB> and the clock?
I know 'Inside Edition' is not exactly the most reliable production around,
but even THEY did a debunking on that. They interviewed the man who was
supposed to have dated it to 1947. He stated very clearly that the film
STOCK could have been manufactured anywhere between 1942 and 1957. But that
was the only thing he was asked to do. It said nothing about WHEN the film
was used. (And it is possible that whoever is responsible for the 'autopsy'
found unused old film stock.)
The other thing 'IE' showed were some stills...of the 'alien', a hand with
a makeup pallette in it and another hand with brushes. They also has an
FX
person show exactly how some of the things could have been done.
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: AD KUIKEN
|Date: 24 Feb 96 06:18:00
EID:9c5c 20583240
-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Judith Bandsma <=-
KDM> I'm sorry. Were you close?
Semi. We lost touch when Ad was no longer able to control the muscles in
his arms and was unable to write. This was before he got his computer. Even
with the computer, he could control his fingers but his arms had to be
braced into position. I guess, being so far away, and Ad beating the odds
for so long, we just allowed ourselves to not remember that Muscular
Dystrophy IS a killer.
I would love to get hold of Ad's photographs and see if I couldn't get
them published. When he was still able to hold a camera, he did some of
the most amazing candid work you would ever want to see. He worked in
black and white and can only be compared to Ansel Adams' early work. We
have 2 he took of my youngest son, and they are gallery quality. But he
never saw them that way.
Yeah. Even though we haven't been close in a while, Ad will be missed.
... Experiencing tagline difficulties, please stand by.
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|From: Judith Bandsma
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: FOF UPDATE, STAAL
|Date: 24 Feb 96 06:42:00
EID:db48 20583540
-=> Quoting Michael Hardy to Marilyn Burge <=-
JH> I was under the impression that amendment was "Pastor" Pete
JH> Peters' baby. (Peters, a Coloradan, is a widely recognized
JH> leader of the "Christian Identity" movement.)
MB> If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.
MH> I don't see you offering an apology to the people of Focus on the
MH> Family, whom your error resulted in your slandering.
There is no slander, Mike. Whoever was behind that bill, FoF is claiming
it as their own and pushing for it or variations of it even today. Look
at
their web page...you will find it as one of their prime goals. In print,
in public. How do you slander someone with the truth?
... Open mouth, insert shoe store.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Our Daily Alien
|Date: 27 Feb 96 12:56:15
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7aac
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 62a95338
PID: FM 2.02
> HAVE YOU LIVED ON
> ANOTHER PLANET?
> 90 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE!
cuts
> Source Of Information: WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, February 13, 1996.
Too cool. I put this in SKEPTIC. }:-}
~*~ Humanism is a very evangelical religion after the control of the world.
- Mark Fox
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Dawn Kleuser
|Sub: Angels...
|Date: 27 Feb 96 13:00:27
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7aad
REPLY: 1:284/120 5803a66c
PID: FM 2.02
> OKAY, PEOPLE, I GET THE POINT ALREADY, SO YOU CAN STOP FILLING MY
> MAILBOX WITH THE SNIDE COMMENTS. I WILL NOW BOW OUT, NEVER TO BOTHER
> YOU AGAIN.
"Snide comments..." Why not just answer our honest questions honestly?
~*~ Sex outside of a Christian marriage is unsafe whether
it is homosexual or not. - Dr. (sic) James Robertson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: Waco Web Site
|Date: 27 Feb 96 13:01:33
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7aae
REPLY: 1:382/804.0 130bd372
PID: FM 2.02
> For those of you who have access to the InterNet World Wide Web:
> http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~cwalker/waco/waco.html
> A Web site about the American tragedy of Waco.
Neat! Does it also include your friends who blew up the federal building
in Oklahoma?
~*~ "Damn, I asked for evidence and all I got was this
lousy Josh McDowell T-shirt." - SS
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Lack of any Evidence whatsoever
|Date: 27 Feb 96 13:03:52
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7aaf
PID: FM 2.02
John Brawley
JB> What's wrong with "_Theistic_ evolution?"
dr> You mean besides the complete and total lack of evidence for gods?
Yeah, besides that.
~*~ Good grief. Guess he's never read the bible he is thumping. - David
Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Your Daily Death Cult
|Date: 27 Feb 96 13:54:29
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab0
REPLY: 1:124/9005 3130c19a
PID: FM 2.02
FR> HATRED OF WIFE IS ENOUGH
FR> Read: Matt. 19:29.
FR> ... Married life presupposes the power of the
FR> husband over the wife and children, and subjection
FR> and obediance of the wife to the husband. - Pope
FR> Pius XI, _Casti Connubii_
sq> That's the best you can do? You can't come up with any more
sq> up-to-date funnies from Paul VI (Humanae Vitae) or John Paul
sq> II? :-/
Well I was pressed up against the publishing deadline and just posted what
I had ready. Yet rest not in fear. We shall be granted ever more chances
to try many new things when next this buttfuck posts again.
~*~ it's that the power you worship is an inept, defeated, dog. - Don Geser
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:00:40
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab1
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 62a01a4f
PID: FM 2.02
FR> Happy days are here again
FR> it's okay to hate blacks and queers again
FR> it's time to spread the white man's fears again
FR> when Bucanon's here again
jjh> I was stuck at a bus stop for about half an hour today.
jjh> There was a payphone at the bus stop.
jjh> I called 1-800-GO-PAT-GO, repeatedly.
Too cool. (BTW: How's your curse?)
cuts
> "Did Buchanan dodge the draft?"
> "I don't know, this is a support line."
> "Then support my need to know: is he a draft dodger?"
> "I don't know."
> "Why don't you know?"
> "This is a support line."
> "I'm calling for support. Did he serve in Vietnam or did he dodge
> the draft?"
> "I don't know. This is a support line."
> ...loop...loop...loop...loop...
What the Goddess Hel does the Religious Reich need with a "support line?"
What kind of information are they expecting to give out? Or is it a line
which takes donations?
~*~ Sorry, I must have misunderstood your question. I believe that the
Holy Spirit caused on of Mary's eggs to become a fetus without sperm.
- Steve Bedard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Your Daily Death Cult
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:04:04
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab2
PID: FM 2.02
> A STRING OF BAD CHOICES
> Read: Genesis 13
> As righteousness leads to life,
> so he who pursues evil pursues
> it to his own death.
> -Proverbs 11:19
A STRING OF TYPICAL CHRISTIANS
Read: Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
~*~ Please, for kryst sake, slit your wrists already. - Kirby Nixon
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Your Daily Death Cult
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:05:07
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab3
PID: FM 2.02
> WE ALL NEED JESUS
> Read: Luke 18:18-27
> You He made alive, who were
> dead in trespasses and sins.
> -Ephesians 2:1
WE ALL NEED CHRISTIAN FASCISM
Read: Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the
brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against
the Jewish poison.
~*~ Get thee behind me Satan. - Kenneth Mcabee
Bend over. - Satan
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: Exactly what Christianity is
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:07:57
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab4
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 12f2ca65
PID: FM 2.02
fP> Salvi- A young, unstable Roman Catholic man/boy pushed
fP> over the edge by hard-core anti-abortion rhetoric.
fR> He's just doing EXACTLY what the Christanic death cult was created
FR> for, John. He's only do what Christianity has done for the past 2,000
FR> years. What you should focus on is the fact that you and he joined
FR> the same death cult.
jp> Since modern protestants pretend to see little difference
But then you're a lunatic who thinks JFK will rise up from the dead and
take over the planet with Kenry Kissinger. Time to get back on
that medication, John.
~*~ Why buy toilet paper when bibles are given away free? - Robert Curry
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: John Prewett
|Sub: who dunnit ?
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:08:53
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab5
REPLY: 1:355/2.1012 12f2ca79
PID: FM 2.02
> Who conducted the Crusades? Who conducted the Inquisitions? Who
> conducted the Witch hunts? Christians, clown. Perhaps you should
FR> The Christanic death cult, silly. Weren't you paying attention?
fr> For centuries Christanics slaughtered millions upon millions of
fr> innocent people, sacrficing them to their death gods. This hatred
fr> and bigotry still exists today through the broad spectrum of
fr> Christanic brand names.
jp> Only the real, real dumb can't see your evasion.
But then you're a lunatic who thinks JFK will rise up from the dead and
take
over the planet with Kenry Kissinger. Time to get back on that
medication, John.
~*~ "I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem
to particularly lack respect for men and thereby depart
from God even further than do pagan men." - Jim Staal
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Elliott Finesse
|Sub: Christian child rapists
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:13:33
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab6
REPLY: 1:215/130 000656c1
PID: FM 2.02
FR> I wonder what percentage of tithes end up defending
fr> lawsuits and paying damages for rape.
ef> I have a newspaper article about the churches concern over
ef> laws suits and the author estimates the church has paid out
ef> between 400 million and 1/2 Billion in civil damages,
ef> compensation to victims, and (I think) court costs world-wide
ef> - and rising.
That's pretty amazing -- and it's only a small percentage of the rapes that
get to court or are settled before court. It doesn't indicate the number
of rapes which continue to go unreported.
ef> If these child-rapists represented any other field or line of
ef> work, I think there would have been blood in the streets by
ef> now, instead of almost complete silence or stories about
ef> individual cases without hinting at the scope of the practice
ef> among the clergy.
Amazing, isn't it? If the nation's police force were our rapeing children
in epidemic qualities like the Christian church's leaders do, the populace
_would_ be up in arms and demanding that the police agencies be cleaned-up
or closed until the problem is solved.
On "Sins of the Fathers" I saw some Catholic priests suggest that Christianity
be closed down until the problem is fixed. _Some_ Christians are at least
willing to admit that they have a serious -- fatal, even -- problem.
~*~ Be blessed. - Marguerite Kendall
Bite me. - Drew Webber
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:15:41
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab7
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 312dbdb9
PID: FM 2.02
js> Aww, try paying in 36.9% once,then come and cry in my ear.....
FR> How much of your money goes to the death cult you joined, Jim?
js> ......Enough to make it stronger than the "I
js> hate blacks and gays" group you belong to....
Actually, Jim, any hate group you can point to which hates blacks and gays
is going to be a Christanic group -- one of _your_ ideological friends.
Hatred and bigotry is nearly the venue of the deity religious.
But then you know that. You're part of the Christanic death cult.
~*~ A believer's mind seeks knowledge just as the vacuum inside a CRT
seeks air -- and for the exact same reason. - Sean McCullough
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:16:43
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab8
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 312dbdbb
PID: FM 2.02
DW> Your wife is a dumbass, Jimbo.
FR> That's true, for marrying you.
FR> Did she know you were a woman-hateing Promise Keeper _before_ she
FR> married you?
js> HEY SCROTUM HEAD! If you can't send mail correctly and to the right
js> persons, why don't you go back to the school of brainless morons you
js> came from and learn how? preferably your daddy's womb!
Why don't you just answer the question, Jim? Did you wife know about your
hatred and bigotry before she married you or did that all come about after
shemade the mistake? Which is it?
~*~ Why don't you just swim out 'til you find him??? - David Worrell
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Laughter at Lumpy Staal
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:17:26
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ab9
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 312dbdbf
PID: FM 2.02
SA> Funny, your writing looks like you are about 14
SA> and posting from a "teen chat" board....
js> "Funny,
js> your writing looks like.......".
FR> Sue is simply trying to help you, Jim. Don't get
FR> upset just because someone trys to help you.
js> You want to help Jim?
Are you trying to claim that you don't _need_ help, Jim?
~*~ [I] have some time available to attempt gently correcting the nasty
enemies of God in this echo. - Richard Thorneycroft
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Mark Staal the LUMP
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:18:54
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7aba
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 312dbdc0
PID: FM 2.02
Lu> Hey, Steve, URA redneck if your family tree does not
Lu> branch.....or...if your wife's not on a chain and your wallet
Lu> is....or..if you go to family reunions just to meet women....or...if
Lu> a sign saying, "SAY NO TO CRACK", Reminds you to pull your pants
Lu> up....or...if you mow your lawn and you find your
Lu> car.....or.............well, I'm sure you know all the rest....
Lovely. You certainly appear to be fragmenting.
DR> Yes, I would place you about 14 years old as well, Jim.
js> Well, then you and your brodder should
js> be able to relate to this then..
Inasmuch as we're both your intellectual superiors and have a bit of experience
observing pathologic behavior, yes, Jim, we do.
~*~ ROFL!!! ......... I just laughed my nuts off.
- QUENTIN FAI
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colonic brother
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:20:34
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7abb
REPLY: 1:228/45.0 312dbdc1
PID: FM 2.02
js> Na, I still believe in God no matter what you try to convince me
FR> No matter what truth debunks you, Jim. That's a fundy.
js> .....I would bet a buck you rub yourself too, because noone
js> else could get close enough to your stench of dung on your body.
Jim, your spelling just gets worse as the time you spend off your medication
grows longer. Your rabidity and hatred also gets worse. Can't you see
what the death cult you joined has done to you? Can't you see what going
off your medication has done to you?
~*~ Roger seems to have missed his sugar coating at his second birth.
- Preston Simpson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:22:38
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DR> All your personalities together, huh, Jim?
SA> Don't forget the condoms!
FR> Sue could do this for a living.
That's true.
DR> You can't get yourself preggers when you jack off thinking about
DR> yourself, Jim. (That goes for all your multiple personalities.)
Undeniably true.
js> So how do you explain how your father got preggers..
Interesting. The Christanic death cultist doesn't appear to know even the
simplest of biology. No doubt it's the result of joining a death cult whos
masters program you to believe that education is "Satanic," Jim.
~*~ Mark 16:15-18. I'll use chemistry, you use the Bible.
You will be deader than your saviour. - George Rudzinski
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:26:12
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Lu> know I should'ntna spent that much on a toy, but, I guess I shoulda
Lu> waited." Still haven't paid it off or even made a payment yet and
Lu> believe me she hasn't let me live it down even as of
Lu> yesterday."LUMPY*@!*&^@!*"!
Another example of why the Christanic death cult has the history it does.
SA> Another example of those fine Christian values of yours...lying,
SA> manipulation, and stealing. You should be proud. (gag)
Proud to be a Christanic cultist incapable of morality.
js> .....Sometimes that's the only way to shut
js> somebody up and get them off your back...
DR> By showing them once again what a homophobic,
DR> anti-woman bigot you are, jim?
js> ....SO, Dave or Fred Or george, why don't you just admit that you
js> change the ID on my posts to look like Jim's and then you will
Why don't you get back on your medication, Jim, and stop suffering under
these nearly pathologic delusions you're experiencing? I'm sure your doctor
has warned you of what would happen and here it is undeniably happening
to you.
Got great news: been off the medication for months now.
Life is indeed good! - Jim Staal (suffers from MPD)
Medication (and science) is _GOOD_ for you, Jim.
~*~ The 'baby' doesn't exist in Christanity. It was a myth
designed to justify the bath water. - Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Staal shows his colon...
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:27:05
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NS> It's obvious from your post that you haven't got a clue about
NS> anything that Pagan families would do. And, talk about the niceness
js> I was under the assumption that pagans
js> didn't have families, but rather flocks....
FR> That's because your cult masters want to keep you ignorant,Mark, of
FR> life-affirming religions. Otherwise your death cult would drop ever
FR> more quickly in club membership.
js> .....Uh huuh huh, My name's Fred...I'm one of the
js> intelligent gorillas please don't feed me!
Your hatred of women and your bigotry against Pagan women is ugly, Jim.
It's also typically Christian, sadly.
~*~ Love you? I don't even like you. - Jesus
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Fred's finally making a dent in your foggy brain
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:29:40
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js> After much consideration, I have decided
js> that it is time to leave the echo.
Ain't it funny how you never left?
FR> Liar. You'll be here until you're cured. Count on it.
My prophecy came true!
js> Actually, looking back, my job was finished
js> long ago and I didn't realize it.
FR> We knew all about Christianity before you showed up, Jim. Your job
FR> was already done for most of us decades before you showed up.
FR> But thanks anyway.
Which is quite true, Jim. We knew about Christianity long before you came
here and vindicated what we all knew about the death cult.
js> nest time send it to the right person MORON.
Next time lose the bigotry, Jim. Lose the death cult.
~*~ "Close your eyes, click your heels together 3 times and yell IS NOT!!"
- Quentin Fai
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: George Mooth
|Sub: Your Daily Death Cult
|Date: 27 Feb 96 14:31:01
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 1d0b7ac0
PID: FM 2.02
> HOW TO HANDLE FEAR
> Read: Psalm 56
> Whenever I am afraid, I will
> trust in You. -Psalm 56:3
HOW TO USE FEAR TO CONTROL THE IGNORANT
Read: Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look
on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness
and misery.
~*~ If I repent anything, it will probably be my good behavior. - Marty
Leipzig
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Alien autopsy
|Date: 03 Mar 96 11:40:03
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sr>> I have heard at least two other glaring technical-prop
sr>> continuity screw-ups, too. Guess the hoaxers didn't do
sr>> their homework well enough! :)
FR> Someone also pointed out that the model
fr> of the telephone used didn't exist at the time.
sq> As I recall, the second special they did
sq> indicated that it DID exist. So which is it?
I would tend to accept the CSICOP evaluation of the props which state that
the telephone depicted on the wall didn't exist at the time purported.
CSICOP and various other publications also commented upon the environmental
suits that were used which indicatedno breathing equipment. The environmental
suits couldn't have been used to stop microbes or other biological hazards
nor could they have been used to stop radiation. It was concluded that
the environmental suits were used to keep from identifying the hoaxsters.
sq> [I just want to know why there are no instances of alien
sq> visits until 'round the time of the "modern age" and wild
sq> thoughts that turned into science fiction.]
Believers will tell you tha5t's because mass communication didn't exist.
~*~ A year long global flood? Sure...Why is there no evidence then? - ML
Umm... "the evidence was destroyed in the flood." - Styx Allum
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Many gods
|Date: 03 Mar 96 11:58:04
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MH> on. This place looks like a battleground. I take it from your post
mh> that you place no faith in Christ. I am totally dedicated to Him.
FR> I'm totally dedicated to Zeus. Imagine.
sq> I'm dedicated to staying alive and living comfortably. Is this where
sq> someone comes along and facetiously tries to suggest that this is my
sq> "god?"
Wait a minute... I don't see any way to get money out of you. That can't
be right.
~*~ I still can't make heads or tails or heads or
tails or heads or tails. . . out of it. - David Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Christian death cult bigotry
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:11:14
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rm>> Is it? I think there was a case in California where a Christian
rm>> org didn't hire someone on the basis that the person wasn't a
rm>> practicing Christian. The org one the lawsuit.
FR> Christanics are always winning (stop spelling it "one") their right
to
FR> bigotry and hatred.
sq> Language majors are always "whining" when someone spells it "winning."
Even when they're Englisg majors? }:-}
~*~ The fossil record does not support evolution. - Raoul Newton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: atheist hypocrisy = gotcha!
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:21:34
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FL>> ... This copy of GEdit has been unregistered for 37 days.
MH>> Of course, those atheists almost certainly *are* hypocrites.
sq> Hey, I just registered two programs that I've been
sq> using for six - years.- Why is this hypocritical?
Six years! Were you waiting for the company to go out of business? }:-}
sq> _I_ don't have a holy book that says "Thou shalt not steal,"
sq> and I DID pay for the fucking software, unlike so many of the
sq> Fundies who traipse through here.
The atheist/humanist ethic is vastly superior for that very reason.
FR> Is it any wonder why fundies _never_ win an argument?
sq> Chuckie Rollins is currently being helped out of the elevator
sq> by yours truly over in RA_UTIL. Fred, I tell you: I talk to
sq> some really thick people on the phones and on Compuserve, but
sq> this guy is -dense.-
Like any fundy he's made up his mind he's going to live a life of crime.
}:-}
~*~ I saw God and the Devil several times during the '70s. - jonny vee
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: in His own butt-ugly image
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:25:57
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FR> Take care else I'll have Assmodify to curse you. }:-}
sq> I got a kick out of this "curse."
Yeah? I wonder if JJ's feeling headachey and faint yet. }:-}
sq> -My- return curse is that every time I hear the name "Asmodeus"
sq> or read it in a book, I'm going to be able to say "Hey, I've got
sq> a neat story to go with that." We may not know this clown's
sq> real name, but it sure is funny to think that so many can receive
sq> so much entertainment at his expense.
It's a HolySmoke touch stone. Sorta like "NOODLES" and "WE WANT YOUR CHILDREN!"
and "Creamy or Ranch?"
~*~ Are you willfully cherishing known sin? - Phil Morrison
Nah....I've been looking for new ones... - Gwenny The Pooh
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: All the Gods' Words
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:40:25
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jcj> I have many texts, having majored in history.
And majored in stupidity. (Knock! Knock! Knock! Jesse? You home? Hello?)
FR> And for some reason you pretend the Soviet Union was "evil."
sq> "Christmas trees," Fred. -Christmas trees.-
I forgot! (Like three times!) So kill a lawyer.
FR> Are you also an English major?
sq> In another incarnation, I bet he was. The onus
sq> was too difficult for him to bear, however.
In #holysmoke on undernet's IRC, we had a clown demand that he wasw a geology
major and he was pretending along the "global flood" ICR party line.
Here... I'll post the whole thing to All.
~*~ Yes, that's radiant heat. What does that have to do
with infrared? - ARTEMIS
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: All
|Sub: Sample #holysmoke lunacy
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:52:48
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c6c
PID: FM 2.02
The #holysmoke channel on Internet's Undernet servers is much
like what we see here on HolySmoke yet real time. The claims
that fundies make and the arguments they use to try to defend
them are exactly the same as we see here.
Here we follow a "Pagan priest" calling himself "praytor" who
claims there's evidence for a "global flood." Notice the "English
Major-like" background claim to start off the, um, debate. I'm
"Thomas" as in "doubting Thomas."
Here we have evidence that ignorance of geology and "global
flood" beliefs isn't entirely a Christanic superstition:
-=-
Thomas: My back ground is years as a geologist/Theol
ogian/historian what do you want here on this channel a lesson?
Thomas: exactly what more do you desire? You said
you wanted proof of the global flood. I told you wher to
find it. Now be a good little it and go read
> pray: You claimed you had extensive geological knowledge.
Prove it. Give me the name of a geological formation and
its location which supports your ignorance. DO IT NOW!
Thomas: never admitted nor was I asked if I was a
Christian, I'm not I'm a pagan priest. I just believe in
the global flood and that it did happen.
[...cuts... I elected to try another port and then sneak back.]
> pray: Star Goat will get you for lying to his chosen.
Thomas: Oh Great and mighty know it all just what
religion are you?
> pray: I'm in a religion which doesn't lie about its
acedemic achievements to try to lie his way out of an
undefendable belief.
Thomas: to embarressed to name your religion or did
I guess it
> pray: Didn't you LISTEN you ignorant fool?! The Restored
Church of the Star Goat is the ONLY TRUE religion which
originally was planetd on Earth and govomership was handed
to His Chosen -- StarGoat is one of them.
> pray: Well? I'm still waiting. Where's this evidence for
a "global flood" you lied about?
Thomas: Star Goat is another name for Satan and to
worship satan one must worship christ. Nes Pa
[Certainly sounds like a Christian fundy, huh?]
> pray: You're truely ignorant, fool. "Satan" is a Christian
god. Star Goat is the CREATOR God who made you. Your
blasphemy is to try to make Him a Christian God. That's
evil.
> pray: WHERE DID THE WATER COME FROM YOU LIAR?
Thomas: Dont really know where does the wind come
from. Where does the Earth come from? Where does life come
from? My what questions.
> pray: Where does the wind come from?! AMAZING!!! Well,
geological acedemic, DO YOU KNOW WHAT UNEVEN HEATING OF THE
EARTH'S SURFACE DOES?
> pray: Well? Answer up, fool! Just because YOU are
ignorant of something doesn't mean everyone else had better
be. We KNOW where wind comes from. We know about the
formation of the Earth. We have good ideas about the
formation and evolution of life.
Thomas: what wrong so flusterd you dont recognize
tongue in cheek answers. I alwasys give those type of
answeres to children
> pray: Oh, now your lies are "toung in cheek answers." Lovely.
[Kind of like Michael Hardy's "just kidding" defense.] }:-}
> pray: You're a liar. Name these gological formations and
give their locations, liar.
Thomas: The Trinity Basin, The Edwards Plateu, The
Contenital Divide to mane some. Recenly in the Ozarks a
sharks entire body was found in granite.
> pray: Provide evidence for a global flood, fool, not
evidence of plate tectonic and continental uplift!
Thomas: Try drilling an oil well some time and you
will learn a buch
[Interesting. I wonder if Marty's a Creationist now.]
Thomas: you are the dictionalries dicription of
ignorance. Look here according to Roget Ignore'ance: see
Thomas on #Holysmokes
[Getting close... the personal attacks are starting. He's
gonna pop.]
> pray: You claimed there is evidence for a global flood.
You presented evidence for plate tectonics and continental
uplift. I'm still waiting for your evidence you claimed to
have.
> pray: Come on, let's go. You made the claim, you provide
the evidence. Let's go.
RevDave: ME try Thomas he's the one that refuses to
take a walk to see the evidence of sharks teeth and fish
bones in the earth that do not come from earth upheavls
> pray: That's proof of plate tectonics and contimental
uplift. Ever hear of those you "geologist?"
> pray: Well? Ever hear of those in your geology classes?
Thomas: ever walked out side and seen the bones in
the earth. Oh I'm sorry your face is stuck in a puter and
your afraid to go outside
> pray: That's called fossilization, silly. I'm still
waiting for your evidence for a "global flood."
~*~ No, these things all happened because you shouted it out that you were
gay. If you had kept it to yourself, these things would not have
happened to you, now would they. - Jim Staal
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: atheist hypocrisy = gotcha!
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:57:25
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MH>> Aha! So you ADMIT that atheists need have no morals! :)
sq> Nonsense...we just don't worship an
sq> old book that says "Run, Dick, Run."
Or "kill, Christian, kill." It's amazing watching a fundy rant about morality.
My guess is he never read the mythologies he worships.
sq> I'm STILL out here wondering which of Mike's
sq> "rights" I violate if I commit suicide.
I guess we'll never know. He's too frightened of having to answer such
hurtful, mbarrassing questions.
jp>> They act so hurt when that is pointed out to them.
sq> How many of us went blue in the face trying to explain
sq> to this guy that he continues to be full of shit?
This is the nut who said, "the world would be a better place if everyone
didn't consider me a nut."
~*~ They sat down in the kitchen, where the morons started pulling out
bibles, books, pamphlets, and other assorted implements of destruction.
- Kelsey Bjarnason
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Quote mythology
|Date: 04 Mar 96 08:58:56
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FR> Just because some watery tart throws a scimiter at
FR> you doesn't mean you get to wield supreme power.
FR> Oh! Now we see the violence inherant in the system.
FR> Help! Help! I'm being suppressed!
sq> ROFL! "Bloody peasant!"
"I've found some nice filth over here."
~*~ We'll have to slaughter innocent people who show how godly we are.
- Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Hardy's full of what-else as usual
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:04:48
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MH> Even evolutionists admit there is little fossil evidence of
MH> Darwinian evolution. Hence the need to invent punctuated
MH> equilibrium.
He's full of it. Biologists state that biology makes no sense if evolution
didn't happen and continue to happen. I know of no biologist who claims
that "there is little fossil evidence of Darwinian evolution."
mg> So are you denying that evolution took place?
He'll pull out a standard cop-out. His deities still made everything but
he'll demand that _some_ evolution took place afterwards -- just keep humans
out of it.
Punk Eek wasn't "invented" to explain-away the low fossilization of animals
and plants. Punk Eek was developed as a possible explanation for why there
are gaps in a geological record -- which another geologic area might or
might noit cover.
Hardy's so full of ignorance I'd bet his eyes are brown.
~*~ Ssshhhh! People are discovering that you're an imbecile. - Simon Ewins
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: atheist hypocrisy
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:05:39
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mg> I dunno. In Mike's defense, some of the atheists here got on a few
mg> cases of theists not having registered software. Right is right and
mg> anyone that screams about unregistered softwre on once hand should
mg> scream about it whenever they see it.
It was a tag line. I've made it my origin line. }:-}
~*~ Your zeal is worthy of a better cause. - Phil Morrison
What better cause is there than freeing people from the mental slavery
that you and your compatriots try to inflict upon them? - Preston Simpson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Elliott Finesse
|Sub: ARTICLES FOLLOW/ contents
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:07:20
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ef> Pat Robertson:
ef> Scary look at the most powerful man in religion in America
That would be Adolf Hitler.
ef> And lots of other holy Child molesters
Great! Bring on the Christian child molesters!
ef> And more. I hate to dump it all at once but I'm going to be gone for
ef> a week or two and if I don't post them now I probably never will.
Are they on your computer? Can they be FileRequested?
~*~ All the gut-wrenching irony of America's low prioritization
of education is present in your origin line. - Fredric Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Elliott Finesse
|Sub: HONEYMOON HARGIS
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:12:49
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ef> "Americans are tired of "educational professionals" operating
ef> in a vacuum, trying out whatever they wish, defying community
ef> standards, as they experiment with the minds of our precious
ef> children." -- Billy James "Honeymoon" Hargis
"..precious children." The same he later rapes?
My guess is he wants to stick with proven method of twisting young minds
-- like teaching them cult Christianity.
~*~ You've just blown your only chance at salvation. See you in Hell.
- John Silvester
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Elliott Finesse
|Sub: Fuck those chior boys for Jesus!
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:29:40
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ef> Later, Noebel says, three more male students told him of
ef> having had sexual relations with Hargis over a period of
ef> three years. They said the trysts had taken place in Hargis'
ef> office, at his farm in the Ozarks, even during his tours
ef> with the college choir, the "All-American Kids."
Choir boys? How cliche!
ef> Noebel was told that Hargis justified his homosexual acts by
ef> citing the Old Testament friendship between David and Jonathan
ef> and threatened to blacklist the youths for life if they talked.
Cool. Justify it with mythology. I wonder what verses Swaggart used.
}:-}
ef> Noebel, a Hargis aide for twelve years, described how he felt when he
ef> first heard the students accounts: "For two weeks, I couldn't sleep.
I
ef> know we had to get Hargis off campus or we were going to lose the whole
ef> school."
This lovely Christian's only concern was the loss of the "school." I wonder
how old some of Hargis' sexual exploits were. So far it looks like all
of the participants were consenting adults.
ef> According to two of those present, Hargis, who has a wife, three
ef> daughters and a son, admitted his guilt and blamed his behavior
ef> on "genes and chromosomes."
What? No "Satan" excuse? I'm surprised! No "Satan told me to fuck them."
ef> Deprived of Hargis' name and his astounding money-raising talents,
ef> however, his former operations soon found themselves strapped for
ef> cash, and in September all but the college accepted Hargis' offer
ef> to return. The decision was risky, says Loyalist Jess Pedigo,
ef> president of Hargis' David Livingstone Missionary Foundation.
That's nonsense. There's no risk involved. The wanna-believe populace
don't remember from day to day which man-deity they give their money to
and, in any event, most don't care. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim/Tami Bakker
still rake it in.
ef> 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.'
I'll gladly throw the first stone.
ef> Enrollment has dropped from 228 to 160, and since word of
ef> the scandal spread to parents one teacher has talked 25 of
ef> them into letting their children stay enrolled.
Strange. Bakker's "college" enrollment droped to the point where the "college"
closed. I wonder why this one didn't die.
ef> As for their parents, one father, who reports that his son's
ef> three-year involvement with Hargis began at age 15 or 16, wept
ef> as he said, "I will forgive him his sins because God's Word
ef> tells me what I must do, but I will never forget his acts
ef> against my son."
The moral high ground would have been to hunt Haggis down and execute him.
ef> The attack on the American family intensifies (2/94)
And its name is "Christianity."
ef> Note: This articicle is from the forthcoming book
ef> "If Hillary Says It's For the Kids, Grab Yours and Run"
Good idea! I hear Iran is accepting theocracy wannabes.
~*~ What are the dictates of my god ? - Paul Churchill
What ever your masters say they are. - Fredric L. Rice
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Elliott Finesse
|Sub: QUEEN DAVID??
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:36:19
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ef> "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place
ef> toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and
ef> bowed himself three times; and they kissed one another, and
ef> wept with one another, until David exceeded."
ef> Now what do you think it means when it says that David exceeded
ef> after all of this kissing, weeping and wallering on the ground?
ef> It means that he climaxed.
That one's a bit of a reach. What's the original Hebrew word used?
ef> Did you believe that it meant that David was a better kisser
ef> and weeper and he won some kind of contest? Get real.
~*~ Furthermore, if evolution were true, evolution would be natural.
There weren't chemist and biologists around 3000 million years
ago to direct it. - Bruce Willis
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Prewett's Christanic fantasies
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:41:29
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c76
REPLY: 1:106/9788.2 62cf8147
PID: FM 2.02
RJ> His home snailmail address acquired, so that printed transcripts
RJ> might be sent to his mailbox when he suddenly never posts in
rJ> HOLY_SMOKE again?
jjh> That I don't have. If he ever posted it I missed it (not
jjh> surprising, I delete large blocks of his messages unread).
I don't have a copy of his address either. It would be a mistake to post
it into HolySmoke anyway and he's probably not QUITE that stupid as to do
so.
Did you see his complaint about how the world would be a better place if
people wouldn't consider him a nut? David Rice's reply was classic.
~*~ "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not
screaming in terror like his passengers." (nicked from Jim Harkins)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Joanna Amren
|Sub: Changed fundy?
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:47:37
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c77
PID: FM 2.02
ja> Only people may find that I've changed from the fundy I used to be.
That's doubtful. Unless you managed to acquire an education in the short
time it's been since you fled, you're still the fundy we all know and love.
I suspect that you still don't understand how scientific method debunks
most (if not all) of your deeply-held religious superstitions.
~*~ I doubt if you will be so flippant and cocky when you are trembling
at
the foot of God on judgement day, Marilyn. You *will* be judged
whether you like it or not. - Christian Soldier, HolySmoke forum.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Joanna Amren
|Sub: Medicated
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:48:25
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c78
PID: FM 2.02
> Does that mean that you gave up on your religion?
ja> Take it however you like.;) But just between you and me....
And, since you state it in a public broadcast forum, about 200 others.
}:-}
ja> let's say I have a new outlook on life.
I hope you went back on your medication.
~*~ "I'll leave when you stop believing in evolution, and
NOT before." -- Deeann Gatchell
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|From: Rich Allen
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Evolung
|Date: 04 Mar 96 09:51:23
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c79
REPLY: 1:3615/41.11 3132de97
PID: FM 2.02
EF>> There you go. I mean, you don't pretend to know more about
EF>> theology than a seminary trained clergyman do you?
AM> Some seminary schools are so secular, you can get a degree
AM> without even knowing the names of the books of the bible.
Does that include all the books which were _VOTED_ as "not true words of
gods?"
~*~ As for the road map, those roads are paved with the bodies of more
than one person who died not for your religion, but because of it.
- Dan Ceppa
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: FOF Cult's "HATE" 2
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:01:30
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7a
PID: FM 2.02
DW>
DW> Yeah, Judith! What's yer fuckin' problem anyway? Don't you
DW> know that Dobson was only being "allegorical"?
jb> I'm still trying to figure out how New York moved to the west
jb> coast. Or maybe that was a hypothetical New York (or is that
jb> rhetorical...geez, it's so hard to keep these things straight.)
Ya just godda have _FAITH_ that New York is on the West Coast. Bow down
and _BELIEVE_! Just ignore what your mind is telling you. I mean, would
a charasmatic cultist lie?
~*~ And when you go to hell, i'll get the last laugh!
- Christopher Calabrese
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: ANGELS...
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:04:16
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7b
PID: FM 2.02
Dawn Kleuser
Who is still reading, I suspect.
>> MAILBOX WITH THE SNIDE COMMENTS. I WILL NOW BOW
>> OUT, NEVER TO BOTHER YOU AGAIN.
FR> "Snide comments..." Why not just answer
fr> our honest questions honestly?
jb> Shit...I missed it! From now on, I'm asking for a loaner
jb> if I have to take my machine into the shop.
Good idea!
~*~ ... In Jesus Christ name I bind all evil sprits off of this echo NOW.
- Steve Willis
I am an Evil Spirt. I'm still unbound. Your little spell didn't work.
- J. J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Shelby Sherman
|Sub: CDA bans bible! - SPREAD THE WORD!!!
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:10:21
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7c
REPLY: 1:123/67 3135c854
PID: FM 2.02
> I'd like to congratulate the Christian community for its success in
> making the Bible and discussion of many portions thereof illegal in
> cyberspace via the "Communications Decency Act"(CDA) amendment to the
> Telecommunications Reform Act of 1995.
Works for me. Now I'll have to remove the Christanic mythologies from my
system. I'll be sure to post a bulletin explaining why.
> a) A .GIF of necrophilia involving a child and a wildebeest.
Yeah? You got one of those? }:-}
~*~ So, how come there are no "talking snakes" nowadays? - Scot Vertullo
Because you are not righteous enough to hear them talk... - Raoul Newton
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Christopher Baker
|Sub: American Atheists
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:11:39
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7d
PID: FM 2.02
cb> please do. i have received no communication of any kind.
fr> If you get a copy, let us know what's going on, okay?
cb> sure but Brian posted a copy and i reposted
cb> it elsewhere. did you see that?
I havent seen it, alas. Star Goat eats mail packets.
~*~ Do you have any evidence that Wiccans or Pagans eat people, Jesse?
- Fredric Rice
Read up on Africa. It might be an education for you. - Jesse Hornbacher
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Kenneth is atheist
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:12:43
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7e
REPLY: 1:271/460 31336d26
PID: FM 2.02
KM>> There are no other gods.
DR> What a stupid thing to say. Do you have any
dr> evidence that the gods do not exist?
km> The Bible.
The classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that there are many
gods. Why not read it once and learn the truth?
By the way: Drink up.
~*~ Hell hath no fury like the lawyer of a woman scorned... - Unknown
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Staal won't Drink it either, Ken
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:13:56
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c7f
REPLY: 1:271/460 31336e38
PID: FM 2.02
FR>> Either drink it or admit you're a fraud.
FR> Either drink up or admit you're a fraud.
>>> Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.....
SM> In other words, you're a fraud.
km> In other words, the attempt to try and make me doubt God because
km> others here misinterpet the Bible and think that those that are saved
km> are to drink poison to prove that they are saved, will not work.
In other words you're a fraud. You are trying in desperation to continue
to believe in the classical Christanic mythologies while at the same time
trying to desperately avoid the embarrassing truth.
~*~ 6:29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her
on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath
hid her son.
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jim Owens
|Sub: Christian canabalism
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:15:48
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c80
REPLY: 1:3611/2 001b7c94
PID: FM 2.02
JO> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
DM> You would appear to be the only one who has not. Consult
DM> the anthropology section of your library for further details.
jo> Of course I am aware of the practice of canabilism in certain religons,
jo> but I am trying to find out if any one has any information or knows
jo> where to find a specific link to a partictular christian ritual.
If you wish I could look up specific references to when and why the Christanic
ritual began to specifically state that the cookie actually becomes the
flesh of their gods. It's described in several places in "Holy Horrors."
~*~ No, the reason that you tout it is your conscience an
stand it better then Life from Life. - Ron Stringfellow
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Terry Parker
|Sub: Waco rememberance
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:25:59
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c81
REPLY: 1:382/804.0 134a6406
PID: FM 2.02
KDM> So, you gonna blow up another building?
tp> I didn't blow up any buildings and every Waco protestor that
tp> I know disaproves of that act. Now, a question for you.
Ah, yes. The ole "I'm not responsible. I'm just a member of the KKK and
we all disaprove of shooting nigras."
YOU are the idiot stick who continues to perpetuate the KNOWN lie "Waco:
The Big Lie." YOU are responsible, Terry. You and your fellow unsalted
nuts.
If you don't like America, try Iran.
~*~ It's what the world needs most: a God that TASTES GOOD. - J.J. Hitt
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: How many gods?
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:27:48
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c82
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 1d503f00
PID: FM 2.02
KM> I and my Father are one. That makes ONE God.
DC> So, just who was your godling praying to? Some false god in heaven?
ks> Telling blow. Fast, short, and succinct. I've used that one
ks> many times. Funny, I can't remember ever getting an argument
ks> back....
ks>
ks> What's your answer to this one, Ken? Not that I expect one...
Typical Christanic cop-outs include "he was praying to a piece of himself."
~*~ Sex outside of a Christian marriage is unsafe whether
it is homosexual or not. - Dr. (sic) James Robertson
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Jim Staal
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:29:16
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c83
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org f0300253
PID: FM 2.02
js> HEY SCROTUM HEAD! If you can't send mail correctly and to the right
js> persons, why don't you go back to the school of brainless morons you
js> came from and learn how? preferably your daddy's womb!
ks> FUNDY MELTDOWN ALERT.
About twice a day now, in fact. }:-}
~*~ Did you know that whiskey was made to keep the Irish
from ruling the world? -
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Jason Ballard
|Sub: Paganistic followers
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:34:59
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c84
REPLY: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 6efc024f
PID: FM 2.02
JB> You are feeble minded and blinded but your so called paradise of lies
JB> when you die there will be no god to save you bastard..
But then neither will you. The difference is we don't concoct elaborate
superstitions to try to pretend to avoid the undeniable eventuality.
~*~ How can so many people be wrong in just one echo?
- Les Wilcox (Talking about FidoNet's HolySmoke echo)
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kenneth Cavness
|Sub: Christian blow jobs, Staa
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:36:08
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c85
REPLY: 1:382/804.0 3133b515
PID: FM 2.02
Kenneth Mcabee
KM> has given the final sacrifice, it is finished, no
KM> further sacrifice is required. Kenneth Mcabee
Amazing.
kc> So, while child sacrifice was hunky dory in the
kc> Old Testament, it's not okay now.
Ken's a LIAR.
And again David if God asked me to kill my son, I would see
it as a sacrifice. Whether that is what is meant by you in
the question or not. I would see it as such. - Kenneth Mcabee
His own words.
~*~ Come on and dance with the devil, honey. - Steve Quarrella
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Thumb-sucking Fundy
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:38:33
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c86
REPLY: 1:138/255.0 3133afb2
PID: FM 2.02
AM> Brian, its nice to see you read the bible, its a shame you don't know
am> what it means. You quoted instances when God was either smitting the
am> enemies of Israel, or chastising His own people. Have your parents
am> ever corrected you? Did it mean they didn't love. I let you know a
am> little secret, if they didn't correct you, it was because they didn't
am> love you.
FR> That justification for rape, torture, and murder is why the
fr> Christanic death cult has the history that it does, Andy.
FR> It's a pity that you agreed to become part of it.
am> Fredric, you read the sayings of Christ, and show me the justifcation
There were thousands of Christs, cultist. There are no known writings of
a "Jesus Christ," however. If you wish to use your death cult mythologies
to justify inhuman tyrannies, rape, torture, and murder, you had better
come up with some deities.
~*~ ARE THE MAJORITY OF YOU PEOPLE BABY RAPERS only held back from your
demented idealisms of torture and mayhem because of the constraints
ordained in the constitution? - David Stoddard
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|Sub: Waco rememberance (how many die this time?)
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:44:38
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c87
REPLY: 1:157/200 5c0208ba
PID: FM 2.02
Tp> Waco Rememberance will start 1pm Saturday March 2, 1996 in Austin,
Tp> the Texas on south side of the Texas State Capital at 11th and
Tp> the Congress. Survivors of U.S. Govt assault of the Branch Davidians
tp> near Waco will be joined by sympathizers and protestors. At 3pm
tp> participants and sympathizers will gather at Hickory St Grill at 8th
tp> and Congress. Contact Jeff Davis for info at (512)331-9212.
kdm> So, you gonna blow up another building?
I haven't heard about another building blown up yet so I would guess that
the FBI is doing its job. They may decide to "remember" Waco later in the
year when security at government buildings declines.
~*~ Are you _sure_ that your appearance is the real reason for
your enforced celibacy? - jonny vee
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|From: Fredric Rice
|To: David Robins
|Sub: QUOTE
|Date: 04 Mar 96 10:49:27
MSGID: 1:102/890@FidoNet 20081c88
REPLY: 1:247/312.0 3133a033
PID: FM 2.02
dr> If there was such evidence, then why
dr> doesn't everyone believe evolution?
Ignorance of scientific method is why so many people don't accept the directly
observable fact of evolution. Many Christanic cultists demand that "no
one knows what makes the wind blow" and then they fall silent when uneven
heating of the Earth's surface is described.
One no more "believes" in evolution than one "believes" in gravity. Both
are undeniable, directly observed facts. That some cultists believe that
science detracts from their superstitions is why they can't