God Damned Fundies!
|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: CHURCHES
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:08e9 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 8a04b142
JB>-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to David Worrell <=-
JB> KDM> Well, it would depend. Are they pregnant and barefoot?
JB>Well, for this one, only one of the 2 is possible. I'll leave it to your
JB>imagination as to which one.
Damn, Judith, Sorry to hear that! When did they weld your shoes on?
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Kenneth Cavness
|Sub: Re: FOF "HATE" 2
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:ec62 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 31e0b662
KC>At the time, I didn't know where Fire Island, the setting of the play
was.
KC>For some reason, I thought it was off the coast of New York. Eugh. It's
KC>off the coast of San Francisco. Sigh. Other than that, I made a 78 on
the
KC>paper (because I got the setting wrong) After seeing the play, I was
amazed
KC>at how accurate my review had been.
KC>Just some mental masturbation...
Urk. You're doing it too much. Fire Island is the south shore of
Long Island in NY!
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: lack of any Evidence
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:c8d4 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 3f966c45
JG>You see even a LIE can have beneficial effects if people believe it to
JG>be true. In fact the belief in it will eventually make it become true
JG>when people act on it .
JG>WHAT A CONCEPT !!!
JG>By BELIEVING in something and ACTING on it you make it a REALITY !!!
I believed I could fly. I acted on it.
I fell off the roof and broke my fucking leg.
JG>EUREKA !!!!
EURAMORON !!!!
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Brad Jackson
|Sub: Bible
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:c922 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org d2bebea6
BJ> The bible is inspired by God!
BJ>2 Timothy 3:16
BJ>All scripture given by [inspiration] of God, and
BJ>profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
BJ>instruction in righteousness:
So why is it wrong in so many places?
BJ>... And now, some words of wisdom:
BJ>Life is like .......... an analogy.
Like, wow, awesome.
Moron.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Ed Dutkiewicz
|Sub: dinosaurs?
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:354f 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org e728b695
ED> AG> Brother, they have carbon dated contemporary things to millions
of
ED> AG> years old. Just takle God at His Word.
ED>PS>No, they haven't. C-14 dating is used on organic materials and never
for
ED>PS>dates into the millions of years. They leave that to the uranium-lead
or
ED>PSpotassium-argon methods.
ED>Carbon-14 dating is used to date "recent" objects. Recent meaning no
more tha
ED>50,000 years.
THAT IS WHAT PRESTON SAID, MORON!
ED>As far as dating contemporary things, one does get false old ages. For
ED>example, the grass near a highway always shows that its millions years
old,
ED>when one uses carbon 14 dating. This is due to the burning of fossil
fuels
ED>which contributes to a higher ratio of "old" carbon(14) dioxide to carbon-12
ED>dioxide.
You're correcting the wrong person.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Christianity
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:4d0d 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org d276e292
AM> Many who comment on this echo, don't just disbelieve in God, but loathe
AM> the God they claim they don't believe in.
A logical impossibility. One cannot loathe that which doesn't exist,
or which one does not believes exists.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:68ca 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org e7850c3b
AM> Jim, your not gonna make alot of friends in this echo. But I like
your
AM> hudspa.
His hudspa?
Is that like his one-eyed worm with a turtleneck sweater?
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: Christian blow jobs, Staa
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:3e48 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 1057129b
MG> GR>> He requested it from Abraham and sacrificed his own son.
MG> KM> Abraham never believe that God would actually make him sacrifice
MG> KM> his own son.
MG>Bible quotes for this please. Where does Abe state that he does not
believe
MG>that god will tkae his son?
I sent this to Kennyboy already, but if you like you can save it:
The First Book of Moses, Called Genesis
Chapter 22
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built
an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and
laid him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his
son.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
For anyone other than braindead fundys, what it says is incontrovertibly
clear.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: you bore me
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:dcf6 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org cbed05f8
MG> GR>> Be conservative. Believe Mark 16:15-18. Or do you get
MG> GR>> liberal when it is your ass on the line?
MG> MH> By now you have received my response to this. You bore me. If
MG> MH> you can't come up with anything better, I'll add you to my
MG> MH> twit filter. I've been in this echo long enough to have no
MG> MH> patience for one-note singers.
MG>While I agree with you on his level of maturity, I would like to know
what
MG>your answer to this is. do you not believe the passage? Do you not
believe
MG>that your god will not kill the true believer if poison is taken?
He thinks it is a bogus passage, having been added by unidentified
bad-guys in the long ago.
He also says nothing has been added or taken away. (maybe having
to do with jots and/or tittles...?)
Don't ask....I cannot explain it.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Martin Goldberg
|Sub: QUOTE
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:d79a 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 9f9f214c
MG> MG>> So are you denying that evolution took place?
MG> MH> No, I'm not.
MG>That's good. From your quote above, you indicate that scientists ran
scared
MG>when the "lack of fossil evidence" made it necessary too "invent" PE.
MG>Nothing is further from the truth. One of the first things they teach
you in
MG>science is the distinction between an invention and a discovery. The
light
MG>bulb was an invention. Evolution is a discovery. That means that it
has bee
MG>there all along as a natural phenomenae and Darwin was the first to notice
it
MG>operation.
MG>This is a perfect example of how science works. The Theory of Evolution
was
MG>changed becasue those that studied it found tht perhaps it worked differently
Arguing with Mikey about science is much like debating chili recipes
with a crayfish.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Joanna Amren
|Sub: URL!
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:0e78 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 57df98f7
JA>was, to put it simply, crazy. I guess I wanted to see for myself if
JA>this was true. Also, I stopped going to church, and stopped listening
JA>to what everyone was telling me, and made my own conclusions. Now I'm
JA>an ex-fundy and I'm glad. I mean, anyone would be when they see how
JA>stupid they acted when they WERE as fundy as I was. I didn't make any
JA>sense whatsoever, and I can see why everyone ere got a good laugh out
of
JA>me.:)
Welcome to the real world, Joanna! Rejoice in your own reality
and enjoy life!
Non carborundum illegitimus.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Hardy
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:c2f0 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 2e32e376
JH> KDM> I'd disagree. JJ sort of smashed everything together, but
JH> KDM> it preserves what the source is saying.
JH> I'd have made a great compression algorithm.
I've finished my new squeeze program. Puts PKZIP (c) to shame...
a compression ratio of 10,000,000 bytes / 1.
Having a little trouble with the unsqueezer part, though...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Our Daily Alien
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:fc8a 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 00c50555
J. J. Hitt to George Mooth:
JH>Giant Spaceships Heading Towards Earth!
JH>Exclusive to the Dixie Free Press
JH>By Pat Parrinello
JH>Recent light has been shed on the reason that the SETI (Search For
JH>Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project has been cancelled by the
JH>government. It seems that something was starting to happen.
You realize you're going to drive him craz.....
Uh, never mind...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: J.j. Hitt
|Sub: Hello!
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:167a 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org a243275d
JH> KM> But while I lived, regardless of whether God exist or not, I
JH> KM> will have lived my life for something that I believed in, right
JH> KM> or wrong.
JH> Have you ever met anyone who claimed they were living their life
JH> for something they didn't believe in?
Uh, I'm not so sure. I live my life for sex, but I'm not sure it
exists...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Avoiding the Question
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:6db4 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 33ae6cc3
DC>-> On 02-29-96 02:37, Jim Germiquet got back to Don Martin
DC> JG> God does NOT send "anyone" to hell. Hell is a natural outcome of
DC>Would your mother send you to hell for eternity? Would you send
DC>your kids to hell for eternity?
I'm not really sure I want to hear the answer to this...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Hi
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:27be 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org beefd5d9
DC>-> On 03-03-96 03:55, J.j. Hitt got back to Kenneth Cavness
DC> JH> And there you miss the total beauty of this medium. A message
DC> JH> truly stands or falls solely on it's intellectual content. The
DC> JH> age, sex, race, social position, economic level or ethnic
DC> JH> heritage of the speaker is totaly immaterial here.
DC>Well said.
DC>I wonder if george rudzinski has taken the time to read what
DC>you wrote...
I don't think George is a racist, Dan. Actually, I have wondered
myself about whether there are blacks on this echo...simple curio-
sity. I think you guys are ascribing bigotry mistakenly.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Styx Allum
|Sub: Question
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:9d54 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org f00a8ae8
SA> > ... Conservative integration - A white golfer with a black caddie.
SA>This white non-golfer used to drive a black Cadillac.
SA>Your tagline was typical of a something that a racist would say,
SA>George. Do you want to sound like a racist?
Styx, I cannot believe George is a racist. A lousy speller, yes...
he meant 'caddy'...in which case it's humorous irony. (although
I'm not sure how the diminutive for Cadillac is really spelled,
I don't think that's what was implied)...
Looks to me like it was merely a way to point out hypocrisy...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: Inertia
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:e130 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 94c84e58
MM>DW> The laws of inertia apply to all things, even subject headers. :-)
MM>Seems to be true, but effort is the key. Just a bit of energy and time
is
MM>required to change the subject header. Probably the inertia effect is
also
Thing is, most people don't even read them.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: Keyword search
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:e294 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org c86f94a8
MM>Heheh I think I've developed a method that's working pretty good. I fast
scan
MM>certain authors, and then have fun looking for my own quoted materials
as
MM>others discuss my posts.
MM>I'm gradually learning how to swim these waters, sharks and all.
Don't forget, there are rhinocodon typii lurking...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: A Fair & Just God
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:6097 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org c79e3960
AS> KS> I have a few extra computer parts that would be glad to send to
you
AS> KS> if you need them...a floppy drive, I/O board, a few cables...etc.
AS> I appreciate the offer, but I have a new/used system that seems to be
AS> working fine (for now...although I have my suspicions that we may have
to
OK, good.
AS>... We now return to our regularly scheduled flame-throwing.
heh, heh...
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Karen Davis
|Sub: White-lighter Religio
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:42c6 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org 563280f8
KD>On (02 Mar 96) Karl Schneider wrote to John Prewett...
KD> KS> ROFL. Does it bother it that your Jesus was a 'fag'?
KD>I believe it is in the Gospel of John where John is laying with his head
KD>on Jesus' chest or stomach [very intimate, that, in a culture where male
KD>intimacy is frowned on] and referring to himself as "the apostle whom
KD>Jesus loved."
That is just one of many places. All sorts of kissing going on...
and the mostly naked boy in the woods...it's all clear to me.
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Quality fundy time
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:28dc 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org fa7ba4b5
DC> GR>Mark 16:15-18. I'll pour.
DC> KS> He has explained it, George. These verses were allegedly added
DC> KS> at 'some later time' by 'some unknown person'. It's all very
DC> KS> fucking convenient. I guess God was on vacation when that
DC> KS> 'unknown person' fucked up his instruction manual.
DC>The bigger questions are why the god:
DC>A: Didn't strike the interlopper dead on the spot.
DC>B: It took the god umpteen centuries to figure it out.
He was off on some other world making a flood and hiding the
evidence?
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|From: Karl Schneider
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Flood
|Date: 08 Mar 96 17:45:00
EID:e78e 20688da0
MSGID: 1:170/309@fidonet.org e207079a
MH> The resurrection of Jesus must have really happened, because people
who
MH> lived at the same time and in the same place knew it happened. And
MH> anyone with an IQ over 20 -- which probably leaves you out, I know --
MH> realizes that people who live at the time and place an event happens
MH> know more about it than people 1,900+ years later thousands of miles
MH> away.
ROFL! You work for a newspaper (so you say) that reports events
less than 24 hours ago and gets most of it WRONG.
MH> Happy?
Extremely.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: arguments
|Date: 08 Mar 96 07:09:00
EID:6ee5 20683920
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313621E
MH> Pascal said that God is revealed just enough so that those who seek
MH> will find, and hidden just enough that those who wish to ignore him
MH> may do so -- all for the sake of making sure that our choice to
MH> believe and follow him is truly made of our own free will.
Yeah, I think Ellis must have been reading him, because he makes much the
same point in BEFORE THE BEGINNING...that a God always readily apparent
would cause some to do the moral thing not BECAUSE it was the moral thing,
but because they felt, in effect, "the principal is watching".
... I came, I saw, got sidetracked, forgot why I was here ..
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Re: Baha'i
|Date: 08 Mar 96 08:01:00
EID:3b3c 20684020
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313775E
Ro> Where do you "kikes, hebes, hymies" get-off calling Christians
Ro> "fundies"?
Ahhhh...where do you get off calling JESUS...a Jew...PETER...a
Jew...John, the apostle...a Jew. David, Abraham, etc..."kikes, hebes,
hymies"? Or for that matter Albert Einstein, Steven Spielberg, Disraeli,
etc.?
I'M a Christian, Roadie, Christian enough to actually READ the Bible I
am espousing. Read John's epistles, how one who "hates his brother walks
in darkness". If you think it is CHRISTIAN to be a BIGOT and a NAZI
concerning ANY people, much less those who God Himself used to reveal His
word, and whom Jesus was born among...then your idea of Christianity is
even poorer than your idea of Judaism.
No wonder you're too COWARDLY to use your real name, and too
UNINTELLIGENT to resort to anything but racial epithets, and how much you
fit the description Jesus had when He said, "Many will call 'Lord, Lord,'
and I will say, I knew ye not". Are you under the odd impression that
peddling hate wins you any points with Jesus? Have you ever READ the
Bible? Or is your impression of the Bible only gleamed from the crosses
you burn in front of houses when you hide your face behind the white hood?
Have a LOVELY day.
... Did I.Q.s drop sharply when I wasn't looking?
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: churches
|Date: 08 Mar 96 08:06:00
EID:6452 206840c0
MSGID: 1:116/19 03138E6A
KW> J.J. is probably as close to you as s\he is to me, remember TX is a
KW> big state (I'm closer to LA than I am to Dallas). I'm missing a lot
of
KW> messages here, anyway, so there is no telling if the problem was your
KW> outgoing or my incoming.
True. Even my new BBS, I noticed at least one day when there were no
messages, an impossibility in Holy Smoke, so I conclude that it is my BBS.
So probably some people are ticked that I haven't answered them yet.
KW> How are the boys handling things? I would assume that they are upset
KW> for the disruption in their lives, if nothing else.
Well, ACTUALLY, since I live in largish apartments, they moved us to
another apartment that they were just cleaning after someone moved out
laid out exactly like the old one. I'm not sure how much Jamie and Eric
understood of what was going on...we ended up replacing their furniture
because it smelled too much like smoke, but since the place is pretty much
laid out like the old one, even though they know they're in a different
place, it's not as disorienting as it could be. Brian, the speaking one,
is doing fine, and really he's the hero of the hour, because he's the one
who spotted the smoke, who told the neighbor to dial 911, etc. I think
they are pretty well acclimated. There were not a lot of sleepless nights
for them, or anything.
... I am NOT a cynic - I just remember last time too well!
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Katherine Wintersnight
|Sub: hi
|Date: 08 Mar 96 08:06:00
EID:e956 206840c0
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313B264
AS> JH> Sorry, but if the Emperor is walking down the street buckass
AS> JH> naked, I reserve the right to giggle.
AS> KW> Or stare in awe. It depends on the Emperor.
AS> And the size of his sceptre, perhaps?
KW> Not to mention his orbs ;).
Hmmm...all the sudden to be "screwed royally" is more than just an
expression...
... You're twisted and sick; I like that in a person!
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Mark Staal
|Sub: Re: Jim Staal
|Date: 08 Mar 96 08:00:00
EID:5fbd 20684000
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313CB32
AS> How many grandchildren and great-grandchildren did he have?
MS> Hmmmm, I'm not quite sure, but, I think 19 grandchildren and 12
MS> great grandchildren with one more on the way.
Big brood. I'm sure he is missed by all.
... All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Question
|Date: 08 Mar 96 08:00:00
EID:4f7c 20684000
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313DEA6
AS> It's a false statement anyway. Jack Butler (aka the Raven) is Indian,
AS> and I know another Canadian posters said she was Indian/Amerind/Native
AS> American (take your pick--I know Jack prefers the term "Indian").
AS> Neither can be classed as "white" unless you ONLY use it to mean "not
AS> black". Which, of course, is a sort of prejudice anyway. You welcomed
AS> a poster from Japan, and certainly he was Oriental, and judging from
AS> his land name, the Jason with a Japanese last name who was an
AS> astronomer who posted here four months or so ago was also Oriental.
MH> I'm not Oriental, but I am sometimes disoriented. Does that count? :)
I guess so. I don't qualify...I lost some stuff in a fire by accident,
which would make me an Accidental, not an Oriental.
... You think time heals everything? Try waiting in a doctor's office.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Your Daily Murder
|Date: 08 Mar 96 00:09:00
EID:e650 20680120
MSGID: 1:116/19 0313F5E4
JG> Actually this sounds quite HUMANE. Think about it. No point having all
JG> those orphaned children and widows around after their hubbys have died
JG> in the war.
AS> (Small voice) What?
AS> Uh...Jim....perhaps you haven't thought this through. Someone dies in
AS> World War II, say, a pilot who has a wife and kids. Are you REALLY
AS> saying we should go out and kill his widow and kids?
JG> These things were said "tongue in cheek". But you have to take into
Then PLEASE put a after it. Although I have to wonder at your sense
of
humor.
JG> consideration that we are not talking about the 1940's or the present
JG> American idea of morality and spirituality. In china they are still
JG> killing children simply because they made a law that determines how
JG> many children a woman can legally conceive. God has to deal with this
JG> kind of mentality in ALL people he tries to tell what to do. He does
JG> not and will not use people as puppets. We are free to choose what we
JG> will believe and do. And when it comes to listening to God, we will'
JG> only be able to do it in terms of what WE are willing to accept. We
JG> will interpret what God says in accordance to our own system of
JG> beliefs and what we consider appropriate behavoir. We are limited in
JG> our ability to percieve what god is telling us. We also have to deal
JG> with those who have no intention of listening to God. Therefore in
JG> those times to do any less than they did would have been to show
JG> weakness and not get the respect that winning a war brings. That was
JG> life in those times and that was what God had to work with.
Um. Although I do agree that God sometimes has to make His arguments fit
the stage the people were in, and yes, I do know that oftentimes whole
villages and peoples were wiped out routinely in that time, a God who
couldn't temper that with a little mercy, unless there was a good reason
not to, quite frankly, is bending TOO much to accomodate the people. Of
course, God only told Moses to "avenge themselves on the Midianities", as
John Brawley rightly points out. It was MOSES who gave that order, and to
an extent, must bear some of the guilt.
Now quite frankly, there MIGHT have been a reason for killing the
non-virgin women. Reading prior to that infamous incident we find many of
the Israelite men were seduced by the Midianite women, both literally and
into worshipping Baal.
These days we like to pretend all religions are equal. Well, some really
ARE more harmful than others. The Molech belief system, which often went
with the Baal belief system (there is some controversy over whether the
Pheonician-influenced peoples actually worshipped a seperate god called
Molech or whether that was the name of the ceremony of their sacrifices)
entailed the sacrificing of children. That is iron clad, and we have
archeological evidence of tophits dug up in Carthage (a Pheonician colony)
and other places giving us evidence of that. I suspect, given God's anger
over such, as opposed to other places where He is more easy-going and
long-suffering, that it entailed such, but that is just a guess on my
part.
Moses might have concluded---rightly or wrongly--that as long as the
Midianite non-virgin women (those who would, presumably, be the most
skilled at "seducing") were alive, that there was a danger that their
sexiness would lure Israelite men into sacrificing of children, both
Midianite and Israelite. That as long as they lived, there was that
danger. He might also have concluded that the young males would have grown
up to become warriors who would try to avenge the loss of their parents,
and so worry Israel and perhaps join with other Midianites scattered
about---indeed, there seems to have been a confederacy of allied people
that attacked them later anyway. In a pre-gunfire world, males WERE more
of a potential danger than females, because armor and swords and shields
were so heavy. Amazons were few and far between. (Nor is there any
indication that the virgin Midianite girls--who were probably pretty
young, it being common in that part of the world to marry very young--were
used for sex. Indeed, given the Jewish prohibition against marrying
outsiders, it seems more likely they were made servants, although I doubt
if one can argue servanthood is better than concubinage.)
But that's all theory. I can't really justify it from what is written,
just using what I know of Baal and Molech-worship as a plausible
justification, and I might be totally wrong.
JG> And of course you wouldn't want to be taking another mans woman for
JG> your new bride. SO take only the virgins. And at the same time, you
JG> continue the race through the virgins.
AS> (Open mouth, close mouth, open mouth.)
AS> Jim.
AS> THINK THIS THROUGH.
AS> If after the Gulf War, we had killed ALL the widows and children of
AS> those killed in the war, and taken the virgin girls as wives for the
AS> unmarried GI males, exactly WHAT do you think the rest of the world
AS> would view us as?
AS> I don't know the explanation for that passage, but I know that the
AS> above does NOT constitute a defense for it.
AS> I'm a believer, but I'm not blind to the offensiveness of that
AS> passage.
JG> But you are thinking in terms of todays standards and your spiritual
JG> enlightenment. Just now the news is on of the "suicide?" bombing in
JG> Tel Aviv. This person has given his life for what he believes is
JG> right. The will of god. Personally the god I know does not want us to
JG> blow each other up. HE wants the whole world to live in peace. Now
JG> tell me, what do you do about these people who are intent on
JG> destroying you if you are the "bombee" ? What do you think God would
Stop them and jail them before more people are killed.
JG> tell you to do ? What do you think the people 5 or 10 THOUSAND years
Forgive them their trespasses, but still get them away from a position
where they can't kill others. The New Testament isn't a suicide pact. One
can use limited violence to prevent a greater violence.
JG> ago would "think" God was telling them to do. Also what would God have
Of the BOMBERS being told to do the "will of God"? That it's barbaric. But
of course, that's what I think NOW of people who blow up innocents in the
name of God.
JG> to tell the people to do in order to get those "bombers" to stop their
JG> aggression ?
See above. Stop them and get them where they cannot bomb others.
JG> I suggest that you also THINK THIS THROUGH !
I am, Jim.
JG> How do you stop unreasonable aggressive people from slaughtering your
JG> people if all they will respect is an equally agressive reply !
Sometimes that happens. Witness World War II. But to descend too far,
where you cannot tell the difference between the two sides in what they
do, but only their ideologies...makes you no better than they are. The
fact that the Nazis sent the Jews to concentration camps does NOT justify
us sending the Japenese to milder internment camps. (Milder in the sense
that they were not killed in it.)
JG> Anything less will just cause them to fight back.
Again. If you are no better than they, are you really doing God's work?
This is a hard one, Jim, for any believer. What I found offensive was
your (now claimed to be tongue in cheek) blithe way of assuming widows and
children can be killed with impunity. Some things ARE relative, but I
think that is one where I would want to be able to say my God is better
than that. It is worth agonizing over, and sometimes the best response in
this forum, when you don't know the answer, is a simiple, "I don't know".
... Maybe this world is another planet's Hell.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Norbert Sykes
|Sub: US BANS ABORTIONSPEAK ON
|Date: 08 Mar 96 04:02:00
EID:0883 20682040
MSGID: 1:116/19 03140BC4
AS> People try to put us down...
AS> (Talkin' 'bout our generation...)
AS> Just because we get around...
AS>
NS> Ah...another dinosaur like myself. Sigh. Those were the days.
NS> Last night saw Dennis Miller, who said: When is Bill Clinton ever
NS> going to wise up and tell us the truth... "Yes. I inhaled, and
NS> then I drank the fuckin' bong water!"
Too true. Tell the truth and shame Pat Buchanan. If he had just admitted
it
straight up, it probably wouldn't have been as big an issue.
NS> Bong. Another word on the 'Huh' list... BTW, wasn't it
NS> supposed to be _MY_ generation? Or am I having a flashback?
Boy, I haven't heard of people talking about a 'bong' in years...I can
remember the bong shop I used to go into to get underground comics
like ZAP Comics and the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers....
Do you remember Nehru jackets? Sometimes I think I'm the only one who
does...
And no, you're not having a flashback, but obviously the sixties were
better to me than I thought, or else it is creeping senility. It IS "my"
generation.
... Nostalgia...all the good times you never had.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: GAY LOVE
|Date: 08 Mar 96 03:09:00
EID:6a7f 20681920
MSGID: 1:116/19 031421CC
MB> This is a VERY weak argument, Al. The "reason" s many diverse
MB> cultures have had a need for myth is simple; they have questions
MB> they can't answer. Have you ever had something that was sticking
MB> in your craw? something that kept plaguing you to the point where
MB> you couldn't adequately concentrate on other issues? something
MB> that made it difficult to do the thigns you must do in order to be
MB> effective in life? Most of us have. We will be doing our jobs and,
MB> suddenly it occurs to us that our mind has wandered onto the
MB> question that seems to have no answer.
Of course. But that is true even now. The biggest questions are no more
answered in our time than in Plato's time. Free will vs. determinism
(even from an atheistic viewpoint--do YOU decide, or are you MERELY the
sum of your past experiences and upbringing and genetics?). Whether
the particulars we observe and the larger concepts they embody (for
instance, whether mathematics have any existence apart from the
individual objects, whether there are ideal forms that what we perceive
are pale reflections of, as Plato thought.)...things like that. Whether
the mind has any existence apart from the brain. (the mind-body
problem). Things like that.
MB> When that occurs, myth can be a very useful tool to putting the
MB> matter at rest so we can get on with our more mundane existences.
MB> If one is privileged enough to be able to spend one's life
MB> exploring such questions, as are philsophers and scientists, well
MB> and good. But for most of us these cosmic unanswerables merely
MB> make our lives more difficult until we have some sort of an answer
MB> that will put the question to rest in our minds. So, along comes
MB> the mythmakers, more than happy to accommodate us to that end.
And yet, religious people can be as puzzled by the philosophical
questions mentioned above as the non-religious, even if they might
rephrase it (in the free will question, is it _I_ who decide or God?)
and notice that Job never really got an answer from God on the question
of why he had to suffer. Like many discoveries, it opens more questions
even when it answers others.
MB> The "need" for myth would have been even greater among ancient
MB> peoples who had so many more unanswerable questions than we do. It
MB> is clear that myths did not arise out of some basic need for
MB> religion, but rather religion arose of some basic need for
MB> myth.
But I have many more unanswered questions that the ancients would never
dream of...what is dark matter, is the universe open or closed, how can
a photon be both a particle and a wave, etc. I don't resort to mythology
to solve them. And we see myth in preliterate cultures where such formal
thinking about the question of life rarely arises.
I will agree with you that myth probably predates formal religion.
But the hunger for that myth...the myth of a dying and then reborn god,
which occurs in so many cultures...is it JUST a metaphor for the changing
of the seasons? And if so, why does it occur in cultures along the
equator, where the seasons are basically rainy and dry? It seems even
deeper, almost an instinct with us. And I think it at least worth
considering that it might be an instinct for something we NEED.
... Entropy always wins.
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: WHO CARES?
|Date: 08 Mar 96 02:07:00
EID:125e 206810e0
MSGID: 1:116/19 03142B5E
MB> That isn't what I said at all. I'm reiterate.
MB> I said that 37 days did not necessarily constitute a violation,
MB> because he couldhave installed the software, then gone on a
MB> week's vacation, which would mean he had actually been using
MB> it for exactly 30 days. Also, he could have sent in his money
MB> for registration and not yet received the registered version
MB> in the mail: 7 days is hardly a lifetime.
MB> Also, if the mere 7 days were, indeed, a violation, he at least
MB> had the saving grace of not bragging about holding the moral
MB> high road, which would be compounding the error.
MB> Now, where in the above have I said what you said I said?
You're right. I misremembered the last part of the statement, and forgot
the "not bragging about holding the moral high ground" and instead
thought you were saying he was exempt from such standards. There were
several posts at the same time, and I may have confused you with some of
the other ones(remember a while ago I was doing it quickly at work.)
Still, that's not an excuse, just an explanation, and I apologive.
(I wrote the response when I had my new system, but I originally read the
first message you sent to Michael about it back when I was computerless
at home.)
MB> The point I'm making is that is wouldn't stop him from stealing
MB> software. Judging from his response to our taunts, it is clear
MB> to me that he has more stolen software on his system than just
MB> this one APPARENT theift. Whitewashing this APPARENT theft only
MB> allows him the luxury ofhiding his thievery, and I see that as
MB> simply adding another form of dishonesty to the now APPARENT
MB> from he is currently practicing.
I see it as one step at a time. I don't expect people to change
completely. I just want them to take it a step at a time on the road to
changing. And the first step needs to be made.
This is the first step.
... I'm not evil, I'm "morally challenged".
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|From: Al Schroeder
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: A FAIR & JUST GOD
|Date: 08 Mar 96 04:02:00
EID:f65a 20682040
MSGID: 1:116/19 03144314
MB> IO see a HUGE qualitative difference between wiping out the
MB> Midianties because they worship the wrong god and allowing people
MB> to die of old age and disease. If you don't, I can do nothing but
MB> question your sense of ethics.
Oh, I can too. You may notice a letter from me to Jim G., this packet,
about me taking him to task for saying it sounded "humane" to him. I
don't know the answer to the Midianite thing, Marilyn, I really don't.
Oh, I can make guesses, and offered Jim a few. For instance, some of
those who followed the Baal religion (which it states explicitly they
did) adopted the Molech sacrifice system of sacrificing children,
routinely. (In fact there is some controversy in archeological circles
whether Molech is a distinct god, or the name of the ceremony by which
the children were sacrificed to Baal.) It also states, a little prior
to that order, that Midianite women "seduced" Iraelite men and brought
them to the worship of Baal.
Now, sometimes, there are REAL qualitative differences between
religions. A religion that routinely sacrifices children I think, by any
reasonable standard, is worse than one that does not. Think how many
children might have been sacrificed over the centuries if such a
religion became the norm of the Roman Empire and lasted as long as
Christianity has. It does indeed make a difference. The Aztecs practiced
sacrifice, but at least they used adults.
Now notice, Jehovah only said that the Israelites were to avenge
themselves on the Midianites, as John Brawley pointed out. It was Moses
who issued that order, and maybe he saw it as a danger to his people
adopting such a practice, and feared if the non-virginal women remained,
they would surely seduce many away and so open more of his people--his
children--to sacrifice.
Suppose you found out those dear to you were about to join a religion
that LITERALLY sacrificed children? Would you sit idly by? And would
continue to do so as long as such a culture existed? Could you stand idly
by and let it exist and know as long as it existed more innocents would
be sacrificed? (I.E., if you were in a country that existed peacefully
next to Nazi Germany while it was running the deathcamps, could you sit
idly by?)
Is it worth killing many Germans to stop such atrocities of innocents
to continue for all time? Perhaps as a pacifist, you will say "no". I
think the answer in some cases needs to be yes.
But I am not unaware of the irony here, that women and children, as in
young boys, were killed--sacrificed, if you will--by the Israelities. Of
course, young boys can grow up to be grown warriors, and males are much
more dangerous in such early cultures, where strength indeed makes a
difference in battle. But whether this killing can be justified as (A)
payment for the thousands or tens of thousands who may have been killed
in the past or (b) to prevent tens of thousands in the future...that is
indeed an iffy question.
And of course it is all a hypothesis. It fits what we know of some
aspects of the religion that carried Baal-worship, but we don't have a
specific reference that says the Midianites did sacrifice to children, as
we do of other Phonecian-derived cultures, where it undoubtedly took
place.
MB> Only in your dreams. You mean after all this time you didn't
MB> know that I'm a pacifist? I don't believe the State has the
MB> "right" to kill for ANY reason, nor do I believe individuals do.
I knew there were some things you leaned that way about, but no, I wasn't
aware that you were a pacifist in all things. So...not criticizing, just
making sure of my ground...are you saying that a policeman, for instance,
may not use deadly force to stop a sniper from killing others? Or to stop
a rapist? Or that no war is ever justified, even against, say, Hitler and
his death camps? (And again, I am struck by the irony that I, as a theist
and a believer in a savior who urged us to "turn the other cheek" and "he
who is without sin cast the first stone" feels there ARE times for
justified violence, and you, as a nontheist, might not. And that Jesus
might approve of your stance before mine---"he who lives by the sword
shall die by it")
MB> Or, in this case, his lack of a sense of fairness. Not me, Al,
MB> not me. This is one of the ways that I am certain your god doesn't
MB> exist. His utter hypocrisy tells me of his nonexistence.
And yet...I daresay you would not let a chimpanzee drive a car. Or a two
year old. Because they have not the judgement to use something so
dangerous. Why is THAT different than God reserving some things for
Himself? Obviously there must be some real qualitative diferences between
a infinite, omniscient, omnipotent being and ourselves.
MB> I do not pay homage to ANY form of authoritarian inconsistency,
MB> no. I do not respect bosses who tell me I can't make personal
MB> phone calls at work, and then when I walk into their work area I find
MB> them talking to a bowling buddy; I do not respect any authority
MB> figure who tells me I can't exact vengeance, and then publickly
MB> declares "vengeance is mine." I think your (and the Bible's)
MB> concept stinks like three-day-old fish.
But of course, a boss is a human being like yourself. Are you a strict
vegetarian? If not, then are not you following an inconsistency, allowing
the murder of animals or fish that you would not allow for human beings?
And, if that is the way you feel about a boss...how would you feel
about a CEO, say, who hears various complaints and decides to go
undercover as an employee in the mail room, and hears all the complaints
first hand, only to be totally put upon by a middle-management petty
tyrant who tries to have him (who he thinks is a mail room employee)
fired, disgraced, framed, etc.? Who experiences all the inconveniences
his employees do first hand, as one of them?
For that is a business parable for what Jesus did.
MB> Double standards are the epitome of hypocracy. I don't respect
MB> hypocrites, and I certainly don't bow down and worship them!
It is only hypocrisy if you equate yourself with God, and feel there is
no difference between you and He; in which case, the very vaccinations
you receive murder beings with as much right to live as yourself, i.e.,
germs and viruses. Every time you spray Lysol and kill some germs, you
are a mass murderer...unless you recognize an intrinsic difference
between yourself and germs and viruses. _I_ do. Do you?
Similarly, I acknowledge an intrinsic difference between an infinite,
eternal being---who indeed, is responsible for anyone existing, in my
view...and myself.
MB> Oh, yes. I'd exist without him. I'm here, aren't I? Where is
MB> he? I do not see him, nor do I acknowledge the petty tyrant in
MB> my imagination.
I'm sure Charlie Schultz could make Charlie Brown have the exact same
thought balloon as what you just said. And similarly, Charlie Brown
might wonder about his creator, and why he cannot perceive him.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: Re: children
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:20:04
EID:65f6 20668a80
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JIM GERMIQUET spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JG> MH> Yes, I do. It just isn't unambiguous and simplistic. It is that
JG> MH> God punishes those guilty of evil. If God did indeed order the
JG> MH>killing of truly innocent children along with the guilty adults,
JG> MH>then I would suppose that the ending of their physical life was
JG> MH>not the judgment, but what happens after. If so, then I believe
JG> MH>the innocent children who, unfortunately, lost their physical
JG> MH>lives, gain eternal life in heaven and thus aren't punished at
JG> MH>all.
JG> KDM> Then what's the problem with abortion?
JG>
JG>The problem with abortion is that as soon as the egg and sperm unite,
JG>you have a new unique individual human being. All it needs is food
JG>and shelter until it can fend for itself. Put a one week old child
JG>out in our chilly Candian winter and it is the same as pulling an
JG>immature unborn baby from the womb of its mother.
Please read the quote I was responding to, OK?
And let me explain the difference between the two -- once the child is
out of the womb, *anyone* can take care of it. While it is in the womb,
the mother is forced to do so. So, while in the womb, the mother can
and does control the child's fate.
... Do it today. Tomorrow it will be illegal.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:20:05
EID:c6a2 20668a80
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AM> AM> In one sense your right, because it seems like only Christians
AM> AM> on this echo state thier beliefs. But I don't see why the
AM> AM> rules of evidence should be suspended in a counter argument.
AM>
AM> KDM> Because we aren't making the claims.
AM>
AM> You claim that were here by natural causes apart from God.
Sorry. Try again.
... If a dragonrider had a pet wolf, it'd be a weyr-wolf!
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Andrew Masten
|Sub: Evidence
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:21:06
EID:c6a2 20668aa0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0267
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
ANDREW MASTEN spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AM> AM> AM> The three aforementioned scientists collaborated on a book
AM> AM> AM> called; " Extraterrestrail Life" Mitt press 1973. I don't
AM> AM> AM> know how they arrived at that figure, I know that Carl
AM> AM> AM> Sagan believes in evolution.
AM> AM> KDM> That tells me absolutely nothing.
AM> AM> It tells you enough to borrow a copy from the library and
AM> AM> look up the information you want.
AM>
AM> KDM> Why don't you get the book? You make a claim, you provide the
AM> KDM> evidence.
AM>
AM> 'Cause I didn't ask how the numbers were arrived at. If you doubt
AM> it, persue the matter yourself.
Nope. I have neither the time nor the desire to do your homework for
you.
... EVERYONE is weird. Some of us are proud of it.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Flood
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:21:07
EID:85ba 20668aa0
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> MH> The resurrection of Jesus was an EVENT!! It was not a claim,
MH> MH> such as the claims made by Koresh or Jim Jones.
MH>
MH> KDM> It is a *claim* of an event, Mike.
MH>
MH> And well-attested to by what evidence we have available -- mainly
MH>the fact that people who lived very close in time and space to the
MH>event believed it. That is, those most in a position to know it
MH> believed wasn't true it was true.
Then why are there no records saying this?
MH> The claims of Jones and Koresh, in contrast, are not even *claims*
MH>of events. They are claims, period.
Agreed there.
... Life's Great Irony #146: Turtles have a drag coefficient of .03
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Hi
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:23:08
EID:526a 20668ae0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0289
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JH> KDM> And JJ's sex. And hir orientation, for that matter.
JH>
JH> Or my race, ethnic heritage, date of birth or planet of origin.
JH>
JH> I tend to withhold *ALL* biographical details, not just my gender.
JH>
JH> I find it extremely enlightening to learn that when meeting a total
JH> stranger in this medium the very first thing they are interested in
JH> doing is pulling down my pants.
What do you expect? Humans are curious, by their nature. Besides, you
seem to enjoy dropping little hints.
... "You're a vicious man." "It's in the job description!"
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Quality fundy time
|Date: 06 Mar 96 17:26:09
EID:65ac 20668b40
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f029a
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH>-=> Quoting Kevin D. Mckenzie to Michael Hardy <=-
MH>
MH> MH> KDM> Quite simply, existence of a human is a mundane claim;
MH> MH> KDM> existence of a god is not.
MH> MH> Fine. However, the gospels AND the letters of Paul insist that
MH> MH> God exists and that Jesus was the physical incarnation of that
MH> MH> God. You haven't explained how that belief developed in such a
MH> MH> short time.
MH> KDM> Ever played "Telephone?" In a society where there was no mass
MH> KDM> communications, things like that would have happened all the
MH> KDM> faster.
MH> Jews were very careful with both oral and written transmission of
MH> information.
When they had to, yes. If they considered what they were saying to be
important, yes. I have no reason to believe they did. There have been
supposed Messiahs throughout history; there is no reason to think they
saw this one as being any different.
Games like Telephone do what they do now because we're
MH> simply not used to having to remember and communicate oral
MH>information. For Jews, it was the primary method of passing along
MH>information, so it was very important that it be done carefully.
Again, when necessary. The same was true later on, before the invention
of the printing press. That doesn't mean that myths never arose.
MH> KDM> If Jesus truly had risen, more people would have noticed.
MH>
MH> Why do you say that? The accounts say that he selectively appeared
MH>to those whom he chose to appear to.
They may not have noticed Jesus himself, but they would have noticed
things like his tomb being open, and, later on, the ability of certain
people to speak in tongues.
... Entropy isn't what it used to be.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: David Worrell
|Sub: Flood
|Date: 07 Mar 96 02:06:10
EID:ccb6 206710c0
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
DAVID WORRELL spoke thusly to KENNETH CAVNESS:
DW> ns>> God sent 'angles'? How did he know they
DW> ns>> were the 'right angles' to send?
DW>
DW> FR>> He hasn't a 'ray' of hope of answering that.
DW>
DW> KC> You really have crossed the line. This entire argument is
DW> KC> perpendicular to the original speaker's intent.
DW>
DW>Et tu, Kenn?
Are you saying punning isn't normal?
... "I'm going to Hell for that bit" - Leary
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Mark Staal
|Sub: Re: jim staal
|Date: 07 Mar 96 02:28:11
EID:84b6 20671380
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f02bc
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MARK STAAL spoke thusly to JUDITH BANDSMA:
MS> MS> ....Unfortunately I had no choice this week, my Father ( and
MS> MS> Jim's) passed away Sunday evening of the final stage in a
MS> MS> weakened body, Pneumonia.
MS>
MS> JB> I didn't see this in the original due to the computer being in
MS> JB> the shop.
MS> JB> I know it is late and I hope you will understand. My condolences
MS> JB> to you and your family. It is never easy to lose someone you
MS> JB> love.
MS> Thank you very much, It is very much appreciated.
MS> Hopefully no one will take this in the wrong way and ridicule
MS> you also for showing any sympathy in this matter.
I doubt it. We may be assholes, but we aren't cruel.
... For the non-discriminating, non-judgemental, psychotic, all around nut.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Joanna Amren
|Sub: Url!
|Date: 08 Mar 96 02:48:12
EID:49c9 20681600
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
JOANNA AMREN spoke thusly to MASOCHISTIC MAIDEN:
JA>-> I might be interested in how, and why you have changed. I once was
JA>-> a fundy myself.... then I got better.
JA>
JA>"Got better" is a good way to describe it yes. How I changed is
JA>really simple. I started thinking.:) Why I changed isn't quite so
JA>simple, 'cause I don't know why. I guess so many people (I have to
JA>give some of the credit to this sub) kept telling me that what I
JA>believed in was, to put it simply, crazy. I guess I wanted to see
JA>for myself if this was true. Also, I stopped going to church, and
JA>stopped listening to what everyone was telling me, and made my own
JA>conclusions. Now I'm an ex-fundy and I'm glad. I mean, anyone would
JA>be when they see how stupid they acted when they WERE as fundy as I
JA>was. I didn't make any sense whatsoever, and I can see why everyone
JA>ere got a good laugh out of me.:)
What have you changed to, pray tell?
... Official member, DNRC. Individuals beware.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: The 10 commandments
|Date: 08 Mar 96 02:49:13
EID:c561 20681620
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f02de
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
AL SCHROEDER spoke thusly to J.J. HITT:
AS> DW> That is the one advantage to living in West Virginia.
AS> DW> People playing rap are shot on sight.
AS>
AS> JH> I would support a Constitutional Amendment to that effect.
AS>
AS> Do you think we could get a petition drawn up and send it to
AS>Washington? I know several hundred people who would sign it...and
AS>I'm sure you do, too.
Can we classify Hootie and the Blowfish as Rap . . . whatevers, too?
(Musicians or artists just doesn't work).
... RAP musicians will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Churches
|Date: 08 Mar 96 02:56:14
EID:09bb 20681700
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f02ef
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
AL SCHROEDER spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AS> KDM> I saw a message from Michael this packet saying he saw
AS> KDM> something from you, but if that turns out to be a fluke, I'd be
AS> KDM> more then willing to forward messages from you to him, if you
AS> KDM> send them to me.
AS> I appreciate that, but I THINK I'm okay. The fact that the new BBS
AS>got no messages from Holy Smoke for a day troubles me, though. I may
AS>have a BBS where people can read what I write but that has an
AS>irregular feed.
It's been happening here, too. I *think* Planet Connect was having
problems.
AS> KDM> How're your children?
AS>
AS> Fine. The place we moved into was laid out just like the old one, so
AS>there was the minimum of confusion for the autistic kids. We
AS>eventually have ended up replacing most of the furniture for the
AS>bedrooms, even the kids' room, which was untouched, since the smoke
AS>smell permeated it. But I'm not sure the autistic ones really
AS>realized what was going on at the time and
I guess that's an . . . advantage, for lack of a better word.
Brian, who was at the
AS>computer when the fire broke out, was the one who told my wife, who
AS>alerted a neighbor to call 911, etc.
Smart kid. How old is he?
... After they make styrofoam, what do they ship it in?
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Steve Wallis
|Sub: Re: fof update, staal
|Date: 08 Mar 96 03:14:15
EID:8dcf 206819c0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0300
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
STEVE WALLIS spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
SW>KD> Here we go again. Gonna cast out the demons again, Steve?
SW>If the Lord tells me to I will. Its called authority and command. I
SW>have it, the devil dont. But, not all know such things. OR know ye
SW>not that?
I don't know that. You did a piss-poor job last time.
SW>KD> SW>Its been praised for Helping a good many souls come to
SW>KD>Christ.
SW>KD> So will a 9mm. What's your point?
SW>
SW>Funny. Point is-Focus on the Family is rooted in Christ.
Then I want no part of Christ, if FoF is something he supports.
There's not
SW>a gun powerful enough to destroy it or knock it down.
I know. A pity, that.
There doing
SW>there all to serve Christ the best they can and will recieve their
SW>reward for doin gso. If they wanted to please the world, you wouldnt
SW>be against them.
Depends on how they were pleasing the world.
But as it is, their not serving the world, their
SW>serving Christ. And so am I.
See above.
SW>KD> FOF is a bigoted, homophobic, hateful organization. I've tried
SW>KD> reading
SW>KD> some of their stuff, but I can't. It sickens me.
SW>
SW>If you cant seem to read their stuff-then why jump to conclusions and
SW>rule it out?
Because reading their stuff makes me sick. I'm not going to support
something my stomach disagrees with that violently.
Focus on the Family is a morally based Christian
SW>organization guy.
Where did Jesus tell his followers to go forth and hate the world?
SW>There's no hate in it. Its about love for others.
Denying homosexuals rights is an example of love? Justify this, please.
SW>It doesnt go around trying to spread the message of hate but love.
Coulda fooled me.
SW>Listen to one of their programs on your local Christian radio
SW>station. Where do you hear them talking about hate? They dont.
Want me to post some of their letters?
SW>KD> SW>Who are you to make a railing accusation aganst
SW>KD> SW>them? Do you really think your better?
SW>KD> Yes, I do.
SW>
SW>Then your a joke. Your no better than anyone guy, and you know I just
SW>said the truth. If any man thinks himself to be more than what he is
SW>he decieves himself. On what standard to you judge FOF?
On their own standard. They are neither loving their neighbor as their
self or turning the other cheek.
SW>KD> SW>accusation wont stand. Focus on the Family is here to stay.
SW>KD> Just like AIDS and venereal disease.
SW>
SW>Aids and venereal disease is sickness. Why would you compare Christ's
SW>Church to something that is unclean?
Very aptly, I think. Just as sex can be good, and religion can be good,
they can both also be bad.
SW>KD> Hmmmm . . . maybe we'll get lucky and they'll be raptured.
SW>
SW>Let me ask you this-when the rapture happens-what will you think
SW>then?
I doubt it will, but, on the whole, it will depend on who is raptured.
(Continued next message...)
... FIDO lie #XVII I don't match any "URA Redneck" tagline descriptions.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: J.J. Hitt
|Sub: Hardy
|Date: 08 Mar 96 03:15:17
EID:f74d 206819e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0322
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
J.J. HITT spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
JH> MH>>-- and then read J.J.'s "summary" of it.
JH>
JH> KDM> I'd disagree. JJ sort of smashed everything together, but
JH> KDM> it preserves what the source is saying.
JH>
JH>
JH> I'd have made a great compression algorithm.
JJZip does have a ring to it, I'll admit.
... Credit Manager is Hellen Waite. If you want credit, go to Hellen Wait
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Kenneth Mcabee
|Sub: Kenny is back into his de
|Date: 08 Mar 96 03:21:18
EID:ed35 20681aa0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0333
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
KENNETH MCABEE spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
KM> KDM> Nice try. Here's the bit you refused to answer.
KM>
KM> KDM> When did English (or a
KM> KDM> recognizable ancestor) become a language?
KM>
KM>Don't care....
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.
KM> KDM> Now, Chaucer utilized a recognizable ancestor of the English
KM> KDM> language, so we shall say that English became a language in
KM> KDM> 1400, even though it goes much further back. How does that
KM> KDM> sound? 1400? Or do you prefer a different year? If so, back
KM> KDM> it up.
KM>Still don't care...
Nor this.
KM> KDM> How many words do you think modern English contained, then?
KM>
KM>And I still could not care less...
Nor this.
KM>Why? Because the knowledge of when English became a language will not
KM>get me into heaven, nor does it add "fundy" to the dictionary.
It doesn't have to, Ken. OR are you saying that English didn't exist
until an English dictionary was printed?
... "A mime is a terrible thing to waste" - Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: Philosophy
|Date: 09 Mar 96 03:02:19
EID:b312 20691840
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0344
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
MASOCHISTIC MAIDEN spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MM>KM> Then go somewhere else, such as Philosophy, perhaps.
MM>
MM>I don't have access to that area on the board I'm posting from..
MM>could be interesting.... but I think I'm beginning to feel less lost
MM>here.
That's good. It does take time.
MM>KM> It's fun, and a good thing to do. Zealots are the most dangerous
MM>KM> peopleon Earth.
MM>
MM>Ah Ha, then it's the overly exuberent quality you are trying to curb
MM>rather than people chooseing to have beliefs. That I can live with
MM>and I agree that there is a line where belief hedges close to
MM>insanity and even all the way over into insanity.
Of course. IMO, people need something for them to lean on, whether it
be a god, or a dream, or people, or whatever. As long as their belief
doesn't hurt anyone, I have no problem with it.
MM>KM> Why must there be a purpose?
MM>
MM>Because almost everything has a purpose and I'm a curious type. I
MM>wanted to see what people would say. And because "Why" tends to be
MM>one of my favorite words, but people get a bit tired of long strings
MM>of "Why, Why, Why......" I try to be diverse in asking the reasoning
MM>behind things. Thanks for your reply.
I suppose it boils down to the fact that I enjoy doing this.
... "I'm too upset to even swear." - Super Dave Osborne
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: The constellation
|Date: 09 Mar 96 03:07:20
EID:114b 206918e0
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0355
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AL SCHROEDER spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AS> AS> Asmodeus is in ENOUGH trouble. If he wants to claim credit for
AS> AS>such, I think,why should he not be held legally responsible?
AS> AS>Instead of witchburning, why not witchsuing?
AS>
AS> KDM> But it's not his fault! Maybe it's just me, but I got the
AS> KDM> feeling Asmo never grew out of the anal stage.
AS>
AS> I hope you mean anal-retentive, and are not implying...
I must. I'm not sure what *you're* implying.
AS> I suspect I would have to sue Anton LeVay's Church of Satan for
AS>inciting the youth. He's doubtless living with his parents. He just
AS> strikes me as that sort, and is probably too young to sue, anyway.
Yep. People like him tend to be.
... "Sorry, my mind has a few bad sectors."
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Terry Liberty-Parker
|Sub: Waco rememberance
|Date: 09 Mar 96 03:12:21
EID:2735 20691980
MSGID: 1:157/200 690f0366
TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
TERRY LIBERTY-PARKER spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
TL>TL>Are you able to post something in addition to your prejudice on
TL>TL>this issue?
TL>
TL> KDM> Prejudice? I just don't like *you*.
TL>
TL>Since you don't actually know me you are demonstrating IGNORANT
TL>prejudice.
Nope. I'm just doing what every human has to do: making a judgement
with limited data. All I know about you is the type of messages you
send/forward here.
TL>TL>I posted a quote from an Asoc Press with citation to found my
TL>TL>claim that the tank drivers should be incicted; have their day in
TL>TL>court.
TL> KDM> Nope, sorry. The tank drivers were doing their duty.
TL>
TL>There is NO legal 'duty' under the U.S. Constitution to follow an
TL>order to run a tank thru a residence occupied by men, women and
TL>children.
This may come as a shock to you, but there are laws not found in the
Constitution.
TL>'I was just following orders' didn't work as a defence for
TL>Nazi soldiers at the Nuremburg war crimes trials, and it is no
TL>defence for a U.S. Govt agent.
What rank? If I remember correctly, that defense is a applicable to
people under a certain rank.
TL>TL>Koresh is dead, but these killer govt agents work for us and are
TL>TL>at still large.
TL>
TL> KDM> At large? That's their job.
TL>
TL>There is no Constitutionaly authorized 'job' description that
TL>includes running tanks thru a residence occupied by men, women and
TL>children.
See above.
TL> KDM> To keep paranoid fucks like you from hurting others.
TL>
TL>Some of the kids we were supposed to be 'protecting' died because
TL>govt agents followed unconstitutional orders to run tanks thru their
TL>home.
And they were offered the chance to leave. Or did you forget that?
Koresh wanted to be a martyr; he didn't care about anything, or anyone,
else.
TL>Can you get over your ignorant prejudice and discover your
TL>conscience?
I've done that. Waco should not have happened, I agree. I just don't
think that everyone connected to it should be lined up against a wall
and shot.
... All life is a conjugation of the verb "to eat".
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Waco web site
|Date: 09 Mar 96 03:13:22
EID:3151 206919a0
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TID: InterEcho 1.14 6E010747
AL SCHROEDER spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
AS> KDM> Ah, good, another site for my Mixed Nuts page.
AS>
AS> Here's another one:
AS>http://www.nashville.com/~Al.Schroeder/index.html.
No, you're a special type of nut. You qualify for the "People"
page.
... Moderator, Illuminati Surveillance Targets' Support Conference.
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|From: Kevin D. Mckenzie
|To: Michael Hardy
|Sub: Hardy
|Date: 09 Mar 96 13:53:23
EID:d786 20696ea0
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MICHAEL HARDY spoke thusly to KEVIN D.:
MH> John Prewett had said something along these same lines. I quoted
MH>this, expecting him to offer his hearty agreement and adulation of
MH>the author -- who I then would reveal is a Catholic polemcist.
Ah. OK, thank you. I take the earlier comment back.
... Yes, a maternally crazed gorilla would come in handy now.
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|From: Lou Richardson
|To: Ryan Shaw
|Sub: the true nature of christ
|Date: 08 Mar 96 22:53:00
EID:0eff 2068b6a0
MSGID: 1:112/129 007aaff5
RS>After much pondering I have come to the conclusion that most if not all
RS>Christians are self-centered son of a bitches. It would seem to me that
the
^^^
Should be "sons" to be in agreement with "Christians"....
Regards.....Lou R.
yyy
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|From: Revelation
|To: All
|Sub: Prophecy
|Date: 09 Mar 96 19:12:07
EID:1988 20699980
PID: BWRA 3.02 [Eval]
MSGID: 1:123/610.0 3142279d
Beware the Jew is the child of the Devil, and he belongs to the Synagogue
of Satan -- jn.8:44, rv.2:9,3:9.
... The last thing I saw was this Big Blue Wave!
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|From: Annette Spence
|To: Al Schroeder
|Sub: Re: legend
|Date: 09 Mar 96 05:56:10
EID:4e18 20692f00
TID: FastEcho 1.45 8010
AS> Some questions unfortunately cannot be answered in one sentence.
tagged.
AS> My own church did a Sunday school class about "cheap grace" and used
AS> Bonhoeffer's book.
I like that idea. I am planning on doing a bible study in our church soon.
but I don't think I am ready for Bonhoeffer. Our last one used Josh
Mcdowell and I spent a LOT of time studying for that one.
AS> Yes. Unfortunately the Italian church wasn't much better. Even the
AS> Vatican, although the Pope BEFORE the wartime one condemned fascist
AS> aggression in no uncertain terms, the one during the war let his
AS> anti-communist paranoia and his patriotic feelings for Italy get in
the
AS> way of what Christ would tell him to do.
studying history and theology is new to me...I have never studied things
for
my own benifit before. It was always for a class at college or church.
I
am just starting to put together answers beyond the emotional reasons for
why I believe. So I am finding it a little overwhelming. I want to have
it
all put together *now*. It just does not work that way.
AS> Yes. Distrust the easy answers. We see it in the political sphere as
well
AS> as the religious.
I agree.
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: HATRED
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:8334 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 12:47pm, MASOCHISTIC MAIDEN wrote to MICHAEL HARDY:
MH>> There is nothing admirable about Fred. He's a firm believer in guilt
MH>> by association -- if Hitler hated Jews, and Hitler called himself a
MM> But it also states clearly that this belief can be used as a motivator.
MM> What it motivates can be swayed by the weilder of the belief. This
is
MM> the type of hatemongering disguised as a message of love that I hear
MM> often on the TV Evangelism shows, hear in the discussions on politics
MM> and other places.
I think alot of it relates to Marx's quote, "Religion is the opiate of the
masses". More often than not, it's used as a power tool by the one in charge,
whether it be a politician, the clergy, or your local TV evangelist. Everyone
has an ulterior motive, no matter how much they sugar coat it...
Becke
... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so...
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Masochistic Maiden
|Sub: CLASSROOMS
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:051e 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 12:57pm, MASOCHISTIC MAIDEN wrote to DON MARTIN:
DM>> Huzzah for them, say I. The fact that students talk about stuff
DM>> is the healthiest thing you could say about our schools. Students
MM> I one hundred percent agree! Hopefully they can learn to wonder,
MM> discuss, and question each others ideas and the emotional attachment
MM> they may have to those ideas without snide remarks, and name calling.
That's the problem with public schools today. They don't teach you to think.
I attended high school in the late 80's. What you basically learned was
the
agenda of the teacher, from THEIR viewpoint. There was no room left to
question. The system they had where I went to school in New Jersey didn't
foster free-thinking in the least. Rather than have class discussions and
allow everyone to share their viewpoint, school was limited to memorizing
facts and figures. It wasn't until well after high school that I learned
how
to really think, question and examine everything.
Becke
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: FOF UPDATE, STAAL
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:2921 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 04:34pm, DON MARTIN wrote to STEVE WALLIS:
SW>> How
SW>> can you fight an enemy you cant see?
DM> You develop a means of "seeing" it--if it is there. The
DM> development and use of radar (the British ASDIC) against
DM> night bombings by the Luftwaffe is a good example of this.
DM> But the Luftwaffe was there, however unseen, as evidenced by
DM> both their bombs and by the occasional plane coming down in
DM> flames when the RAF got lucky. Got any such evidence for
DM> your unseen "devil"?
Still impossible if said devil doesn't exist. Poor Steve...having imaginary
enemies is a form of schizophrenic paranoia, isn't it?
DM> Do yourself a favor: go find a nice, fresh dog turd,
DM> preferably from a very large dog. Saw off the top of your
DM> skull and scoop out the gooey stuff inside. Replace the
DM> gooey stuff with the dog turd and cap with the top of your
DM> skull. You will be amazed at how much your IQ will increase.
Shit for brains is better than none at all, no?
Becke
... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Mark Barnett
|Sub: ANGEL FUNDY
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:2d3a 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 05:19pm, MARK BARNETT wrote to DAWN KLEUSER:
MB> Well I'm new here to.
A fact that is painfully obvious.
MB> I Belive in Angels Also for any one that reads the bible should also
MB> belive for the Bible says they exist.
And where is your evidence for these angels? The Bible? And where is your
evidence that the Bible is anything more then another fictional book?
Becke
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: CHILDREN
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:f846 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 01:58pm, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to BRIAN KOLACY:
JG> He is with you even now as you are reading this message. God is a
JG> "spirit" you cannot see him or touch him physically, but if you want
to
JG> soften your heart, you will feel him. And if you choose to listen, you
JG> will hear him. He IS speaking to you right now. But you don't have to
JG> listen. Your choice.
In the real world, that's referred to as schizophrenia...
Becke
... If we believe absurdities, then we shall commit atrocities...
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Jim Germiquet
|Sub: APOSTATE
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:1672 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 01:58pm, JIM GERMIQUET wrote to BRIAN KOLACY:
BK>> Ah, like they did the first time, eh?
JG> He will not be coming the same way the second time. The first time
JG> he as a baby and grew to a man.
JG> The next time he will come in much more dramatic fashion I believe.
Perhaps this time in full drag?
Becke
... Meaningless gods cannot grant what they do not have.
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Kenneth McAbee
|Sub: HELLO!
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:b225 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 09:18pm, KENNETH MCABEE wrote to KAREN DAVIS:
KD>> My opinion is much more logical, having laid out the real possibilities.
KD>> In fact there may be more.
KM> Again, it's still your opinion. Logically, I cannot believe the Bible,
KM> and believe there are other possiblities as well.
Then why not question and explore that logic, rather than accept something
without question that is completely illogical?
Becke
... Only the educated are free -- Epictetus
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Kenneth McAbee
|Sub: REDACTED STORIES
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:2d9c 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 09:26pm, KENNETH MCABEE wrote to KAREN DAVIS:
KD>>> I've read them many times. All I find is a woman hating group of men
KD>>> who wrote down their mythology.
KM>>> But apparantly you've never understood them.
KD>> No, I'm not capable of understanding mysogyny.
KM> Your gonna have to help me out with the word mysogyny, it's not listed
KM> in the dictionary. (Not being smart, just trying to find out what you
KM> mean)
You should've been able to figure that one out by the context in which it
was
used... Mysogyny is "hating women". Ask Staahl for enlightenment, that's
his
area of expertise...
Becke
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KM> B
... Fundy Logic: Lie 1 + Lie 2 + Lie 3 = "God's Truth"
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|From: Becke Jones
|To: Kenneth McAbee
|Sub: CHRISTIAN BLOW JOBS,
|Date: 08 Mar 96 09:00:00
EID:1b99 20684800
On 5 Mar 96 10:09pm, KENNETH MCABEE wrote to MARTIN GOLDBERG:
KM>>> Abraham never believe that God would actually make him sacrifice
KM>>> his own son.
MG>> Bible quotes for this please. Where does Abe state that he does not
MG>> believe that god will tkae