God Damned Fundies!
|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Baby burning in Hell
|Date: 19 Mar 97 11:25:09
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-> On 18 Mar 97 10:59:27, Jim Staal got back to Karen Davis
KD> I found *birth* to be disgusting. Shall I outlaw that?
JS> The pro-choicers have already tried and suceeded in doing that.
And the name of that law is?
Yes, Staal, you are an idiot par excellance.
... "Sometimes the only intellectually appropriate response is `Fuck you'"
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Literally Seaking
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:47:03
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-> On 18 Mar 97 11:14:23, Jim Staal got back to DAVID RICE
Here's Jim-bozo's latest attempt to get another line in the FAQ:
>RC> Would YOU torture babies in hell?
JS> No.
DR> Then why do you claim to worship a god that would?
JS> (no claim. it be de trute) He knows what He's doing. I don't.
Truer words were never written by Staaled.
... Watcha doing, Willlllllllbuuuuuuurrrrr? -- Staalin, the Talking Fundy
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|From: God Dan
|To: Mary Smith
|Sub: Motion Passed
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:53:43
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-> On 18 Mar 97 11:02:00, Mary Smith got back to God Dan
MS> HOW CAN YOU BOTH USE THE LORDS NAME IN VEIN?
I, unlike you, don't take drugs, let alone take them
intravenously.
Anyhow, what's your god damned problem? Your CAPS Lock key
break by the will of Satan or something?
Take another snort of Jesus Christ and call me back when
you fucking calm down.
... "FUCK your God-thing and his lying book of fairy-tales!" -Ryan Shaw
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Staal stinks a little lo
|Date: 19 Mar 97 22:25:16
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-> On 16 Mar 97 13:19:44, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
RS> He also provided no evidence, but I suspect he is referring to
RS> the only case that has received publicity -- that of Bottoms v
RS> Bottoms in Viriginia.
I'm not familiar with that one. Let me know if you find
anything on it.
Thanks!
... +Origin: Revival Network: Come more than one way for Jey-zues!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Marilyn Burge
|Sub: You forgot to answer this...
|Date: 19 Mar 97 22:57:21
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-> On 18 Mar 97 01:42:12, Marilyn Burge got back to Dan Ceppa
MB> Not so. All twelve of the Disciples were Jews.
DC> And, even if they existed, none of them where xians. They
DC> were following a Jewish messiah, not a construct of Saul.
MB> The word "christian" doesn't appear in the Bible. For that
MB> matter, neither does the word "trinity," or a whole host of
MB> other words that are currently in the xian lexicon.
You won't happen to have a list of those floating around,
would you? }:-)
... 666: Number of the Beast - 668: Neighbor of the Beast
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: You lose.
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:00:21
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-> On 16 Mar 97 11:38:42, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
Here, Jimbo. Go fetch.
DC> ... Messiah looking for jailbait = Jesus of Swaggart.
RS> ___------------------------------------------------------------------
RS> Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest.
RS> -- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, "Jimmy Swaggart Hour"
RS> August 19, 1984
RS> ___------------------------------------------------------------------
RS> Ironic, isn't it Dan, that Swaggart should condemn incest to
RS> raise money for his ministry, while being all for little
RS> nine-year-old girls.
RS> Rod "...I wonder if Jimson will still hold Swaggart to be a
RS> Christian?" Swift :)
... +Origin: SHAM NETWORK: Fallacies and fulminations for Kryst!
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: 'First Cause' Crap
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:22:49
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-> On 17 Mar 97 08:36:18, John Brawley got back to Christopher Hughes
CH> > Take away five black marbles, _you_ have six _marbles_ left; _I_
CH> would > have five --the correct number (10 - 5 = 5).
CH> But how many black ones, John? What's 5-5?
JB> Five minus five is "zero." Five black marbles minus five black
JB> marbles is "no black marbles." Ten marbles (black OR white) minus
ten
JB> marbles leaves one marble, IFF there's a "zero marble" in the mixture.
Sorry, John, but you are mixing black apples with orange oranges.
... "Bother", said Pooh, and hid Piglet's corpse.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Judith Bandsma
|Sub: Accepting Reality
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:25:09
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-> On 17 Mar 97 13:26:24, Judith Bandsma got back to Don Martin
-=> Don complained of warm pie, cold coffee, and no paper to Ken <=-
DM> 12-year-old rape victim, to which you either said "yes" or
DM> evaded answering with the fundy shuffle. In this context,
JB> He not only replied 'yes' in that context, but stated that she was
JB> having the abortion because she couldn't tell the truth about what SHE
JB> had done.
I nearly forgot about that little tidbit of Kenny's find xian
example. Thanks for reminding me that it was the little girl's
fault that she got pregnant by her "loving" daddy.
... Choose heaven for climate, hell for society.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: CHEESE WHIZ
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:30:15
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-> On 18 Mar 97 04:09:00, Roger Hunter got back to Dan Ceppa
RH> Jim; picture yourself trying to shit a softball.
DC> From what I have been told: More like a watermellon.
RH> Oh well, you know how these women like to exaggerate .
Use extreme caution on the next chocolate anything that you eat!
Seriously, the woman that told me that had a couple of kids.
She was in the hospital at the time I met her for gall stones.
I was there because of kidney stones. And, it turns out that
she had kindey stones as well.
In attempting to compare the pain, she told me that kindey
stones were by far the most painful, at least for her.
... And God smote Egypt with a plague of zucchini.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: George Harper
|Sub: CHRISTANIC TERRORISTS
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:37:18
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-> On 18 Mar 97 18:06:26, George Harper got back to Roger Hunter
GH> #1: I am NOT a "fundy", but that isn't an apology for my opinions.
That remains to be seen.
GH> I hate to burst your bubble, but because ALL are created in sin,
"Sin" is a construct of your religion, nothing more.
GH> all MUST receive forgiveness for that sin, as well as any sins
Only if you believe the bullshit that you have been handed.
GH> committed during the lifetime. That is biblical fact, and that
Is that anything like the biblical "fact" of a worldwide flood?
GH> condemns even an unborn fetus' soul to eternal damnation...you
Wrong again, George. The only penalty for causing a miscarriage
in the bible is to provide compensation to the owner of the
person carrying the fetus.
... "I'm not a fundy, I just act like one." 'George Harper'
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Mark O'Neill
|Sub: Cracker Barrel boycott
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:45:44
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-> On 18 Mar 97 10:15:28, Mark O'Neill got back to Dan Ceppa
With: KY Jelly
KY>> gay, they cannot become Christian. But once they accept Christ as
KY>> their savior, all homosexuality is gone.
DC> You really are that naive, aren't you, Kenny.
MO> I think what he's saying is that once you accept christ you're cured
MO> from homsexuality forever but not paedophilia(sp?).
Pedophilia seems to be a prerequiste to becoming a minister,
though I think the spelling is "monster".
... Born Again Christian = "I guess I myth'd again."
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Driving Mr. Daisy
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:50:03
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-> On 16 Mar 97 13:06:36, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
RS> * On 11-03-97 at 22:23, DAN CEPPA wrote to KEN YOUNG,
DC> And, most importantly: When was the last time you took your
DC> head out of the sand?
RS> Strange. I've never seen such a creative spelling of "asshole"
RS> before. "Sand", huh?
RS> God Dan, you are a visionary! :)
My anti-fundy filter missed it. It should have corrected that
to tell Kenny to "pound salt up his ass".
... ([Saul of Tarsus] + [Epileptic Seizure]) = Christianity
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: Drugs
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:54:06
EID:a642 2273bec0
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MSGID: 1:123/67.5 33307c9e
-> On 18 Mar 97 07:25:21, Don Martin got back to Quentin Fai
QF> I wonder what would happen if someone stashed a bale of marijuana in
QF> the White House. Hmmmmmmmmmmm................................
DM> The next morning white smoke would rise and a new Pope
DM> would be proclaimed.
Far fucking out, man!
(Got any munchies?)
... One nation, under God, with Liberty, large fries, and a Coke to go.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Exemplifying examples
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:59:30
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MSGID: 1:123/67.5 33307de2
-> On 16 Mar 97 11:22:28, Rod Swift got back to Dan Ceppa
DC> KY> But it is possible for people with their own mind power to change
DC> KY> themselves physically. This may sound bizarre, but it is definitely
DC> Change yourself into a hippopotamus. That would be really bizarre.
RS> Hey, let's pick something inanimate. How about a table?
That would be a step above the dead tree stump that he is.
... May your enemies get cramps in their legs as they dance on your grave
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|From: God Dan
|To: Mary Smith
|Sub: FREEDOM OF CHOICE
|Date: 20 Mar 97 00:02:43
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MSGID: 1:123/67.5 33307ea3
-> On 18 Mar 97 10:55:00, Mary Smith got back to Becke Boyer
BB> No more awkward than heterosexual sex, Jelly. Or do you think oral a
BB> sex between heterosexuals is unnatural as well?
MS> WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH RELIGION DEBATE? OR DO I HAVE MY
Perhaps it's the problem that you religionoids have about SEX!!!!!
MS> CONFERENCES ALL MESSED UP? I HOPE NOT CAUSE THIS IS MORE LIKE A SEX
MS> CONFERENCE THEN A BIBLE/RELIGION CONFERENCE.
Getting too turned on by it? If so, do lock a lot of what is
mentioned in your bible out of your head.
MS> PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I HAVE MY CONFERENCES ALL MESSED UP.
As before, you have your CAPS Lock key MESSED UP. Try turning
it off.
... Exodus 21:7-11 Female servants are sex slaves.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Ken Young: Poster child
|Date: 20 Mar 97 00:08:13
EID:ff02 22740100
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 33307fed
-> On 17 Mar 97 19:11:56, Ken Young got back to Rod Swift
KY> WHy I am against gay rights, is because I see it as special rights.
I
KY> am for equality, but I do not see that as being the homosexual agenda.
Strange... The gays don't seem to hold your heterosexuality
against you.
Why can't you reciprocate?
... The Bill of Rights - void where prohibited by law.
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: Oops, Caught Again
|Date: 20 Mar 97 00:16:05
EID:363d 22740200
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 333081c5
-> On 18 Mar 97 11:36:59, Jim Staal got back to Ken Wiens
DC> What law are you going to pass out your asshole to make it
DC> legal to execute a 12 yr old rape victim, Kenny
JS> Isn't it interesting how these folks seem to demand you do some sort
JS> of heinous deed. Rod Swift constantly insists that I go out and kill
JS> homosexuals. I do not understand that sort of demented thought
JS> process. I mean, Dan's demand here doesn't even make any sense.
Of course it doesn't, you imbecile. The example I gave above
is what your butt-buddy Wiens advocates. He's the fucking
asshole that posted exactly what was stated above.
He's one of yours, Milk-crate.
... Try to be better person than that asshole of a god you worship. RC
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|From: Dan Ceppa
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: R Daily Xtian Persecutio
|Date: 20 Mar 97 00:19:04
EID:f3cd 22740260
PID: OMX 1.00.DOS [NR]
MSGID: 1:123/67.5 33308278
-> On 18 Mar 97 11:07:54, Ken Young got back to Dan Ceppa
KY>> of mixed faiths, because I don't. But a Pagan and a
KY>> Christian could fall in love, and get married for that
DC> He is oblivious to the way he points out his own racism in nearly
DC> every post he sends.
KY> Yes, I must be, so perhaps you can explain it to me. Enlighten me,
KY> how am I racist?
Try re-reading each and every post you have made in this Echo.
Do it carefully, as you are probably reading them for the
very first time.
Whether you like it or not, your racism comes through all too
load an clear.
... "I would be against most laws based on morality." Ken Young
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|From: Steve Quarrella
|To: Fredric Rice
|Sub: Missionary Threats
|Date: 20 Mar 97 08:15:38
EID:6f88 227441e0
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TID: FastEcho 1.45a 10280
Salue, Fredric!
Saturni dies March 15 1997, Dixit Fredric Rice ad Steve Quarrella:
FR> Oh yes, I know their reasoning for subjicating the female over the male.
FR> Every get the idea that Joseph Smith was a dickless homosexual who hated
FR> women as much as Staal?
Er...no. You're referring to a guy who had "visions" from God, telling
him that it was OK to have more than one wife. If memory serves, he even
had a "retraction" vision (most likely spurred on by Emma Smith, who, for
some reason, didn't much care for the idea), which was reversed later.
Ol' Joe CERTAINLY liked the ladies, and he was going to define religious
dogma that would not make it a "sin" for him to pursue that particular hobby.
Check out Taves's "Trouble Enough" for the particulars.
sq>> Something tells me, though, that my wife is the head of the
sq>> household in their eyes simply because my name isn't listed
sq>> in their records. Therefore, my wishes are not to be honoured.
It amuses me to think that this would be easier if I were to join the church
and then quit. :)
sq>>> I've tried the same angle, Tom, and it was met with grunting, clearing
sq>>> of throats, and renewed and revitalized efforts to speak with my wife.
FR>> You got off lucky. I nearly had to shoot one, as you may recall.
As I mentioned in a previous message, I -really- don't want to find myself
in a position where these clowns come through the door.
FR> We discussed the laws in Texas, as I recall.
Oh, I know the laws. I also notice a trend by which the courts tend to
protect the offenders and not the victims. There's an issue of "Do I let
the bastard live and have him sue me because he can't walk or speak?" (Bernie
Goetz, anybody?), or "Do I neutralize him completely and then have to deal
with the courts?"
FR> I would rather be _alive_ and go through the courts.
My wife and I have discussed what will most likely happen if someone should
come through the door. Only we know. :)
FR> That's fine with me, too. As it turns out, after my mother died, I
FR> stopped getting late-night telephone calls from the local Mormons.
It's
FR> too bad the caller ID wasn't allowed in California until some two months
FR> ago. I would have loved to take that "Bishop" for every cent for
FR> malicious harassment.
Caller ID has been a wonderful tool here, as I've called back a LOT of numbers
after I get "RING RING" and then silence on the other end of the line. Typically,
I hear "Uh, sorry, I had the wrong number." Haven't yet noticed the same
name or phone number, so I'll let it slide.
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|From: BRIAN KOLACY
|To: JASON HARMON
|Sub: Re: The IRCops are coming
|Date: 19 Mar 97 21:02:40
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< JASON HARMON said in a message to LYNDA BUSTILLOZ >
JH> .MSGID: 1:3652/1 332DE2A6
-=> Quoting Lynda Bustilloz to ALL <=-
LB> Well....after over a year in business, the #holysmoke channel has
LB> finally had its first brush with IRC 'law'.
Bah, that's nothing new...We used to kick/ban 'em when we were on Undernet.
Non-Wild Berry
Pop-Tart eating bastards!
JH> But if that was too long, you could have always gone with the
JH> classic "Fuck the skull of Jesus!" No one could take offense with
JH> that.
Ha! Then we could start DCCing the accompanying .gif to random users.
LB> nope
LB> I have been getting complaints on it
JH> Hmmm....you think it could have been our friends from #hoas? :->
They're too busy typing congratulatory notes to their gods to take notice
of anyone else. Hell,
half of 'em don't know how to turn off "auto-invite".
JH> "Citizen, you have violated the Terms of Service!"
Nowadays, they send several lines of spam at you when you violate the "TOS",
detailing what
constitutes a violation...Funnily enough, I believe spam is a violation
itself. Glad I haven't
subscribed to 'em in several years.
JH> ... "Not a morning person" doesn't even begin to cover it.
Ha! Thank *you* I have to replace all the taglines containing derogatory
comments towards
Michael Hardy (which I've deleted), after all...
şMass starvation: What a beautiful choice.
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|From: BRIAN KOLACY
|To: MARY SMITH
|Sub: Re: Motion Passed
|Date: 19 Mar 97 23:17:14
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< MARY SMITH said in a message to GOD DAN >
MS> HOW CAN YOU BOTH USE THE LORDS NAME IN VEIN?
Um...I dunno...A large syringe and some sort of minced god? Is this a trick
question?
şThis tagline has been cruelly tested on cute furry animals.
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Karl Schneider
|Sub: Water and Flood.
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:46:14
EID:2ddf 22746dc0
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89d1b71e
Hi Snarl,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Water and Flood.")
LA> So what caused the Flood? Why wouldn't the Earth have been
LA>struck by large meterors just as often, or MORE often, than
LA>the MOON? A large Asteroid could have struck the Earth and not
KS> It has, you idiot. We have an atmosphere.
Ah, our wonderful example of the world of the future, where
courtesy, rationality and tolerance becomes the norm, eh?!
LA> Think of the devastation that that would have caused? So
LA>if such a large Asteroid struck the earth then WHERE is the
LA>impact site eh? Let's see what you can suggest?
KS> The Yucatan. It has been found.
Ah, there was JUST ONE impact eh and THAT is IT! Now aint
that 'sumping'? Does THAT site really seem adequate?
KS> You know, the delightful irony of your inane bullshit
KS> is that not only have you not managed to persuade any
KS> nonbelievers that you have anything useful or truthful to
KS> say, you manage through your constant lies and idiocy to
KS> alienate even those who might be prone to support your
KS> cretinist crap.
You have a point there "Snarl". I grant you that
evolutionists are very stubborn and thick in the skull!
Their indoctrination has been very effective. Besides that
there DOES seem to be a significant "hormonal" component in
all this and THAT seems to over ride the most compelling
scientific evidence! No wonder S. J. Gould himself says
that;
"I well remember how the synthetic theory beguiled me
with its unifying power when I was a graduate student in
the mid-1960's. Since then I have been watching it slowly
unravel as a universal description of evolution. The
molecular assault came first, followed quickly by renewed
attention to unorthodox theories of speciation and by
challenges at the level of macroevolution itself."
"I have been reluctant to admit it-since beguiling is
often forever-but if Mayr's characterization of the
synthetic theory is accurate, then that theory, as a
general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its
persistence as textbook orthodoxy."
(Gould S.J., "Is a new and general theory of evolution
emerging?", Paleobiology, vol. 6(1), January 1980, p120)
So Gould has partly managed to shake himself FREE of a
significant part of his brainwashing and "beguiling" and
creationists are delighted to note how much genuine PROGRESS
he has made so far, even it it does seem that he has
"stalled"!
KS> You are our best ally.
That seems to contradict the number of times I have been
BANNED from different Echo's. Obviously you are mistaken.
Still, it does seem that YOU might be WEAKENING and that you
are desperately AFRAID to think for yourself. I suspect that
you might well be one of those referred to in the following;
"This is a book with a disturbing message; it points to
some unseemly cracks in the foundations. One is disturbed
because what is said gives us the uneasy feeling that we
knew it for a long time deep down but were never willing to
admit this even to ourselves."
"It is another one of those cold and uncompromising
situations where the naked truth and human nature travel in
different directions. The particular truth is simply that
we have no reliable evidence as to evolutionary sequence of
invertebrate phyla."
"We do not know what group arose from what other group
or whether, for instance, the transition from Protozoa
occurred once, or twice, or many times. We have been
telling our students for years not to accept any statement
on its face value but to examine the evidence, and,
therefore, it is rather a shock to discover that we have
failed to follow our own sound advice."
(John T. Bonner, reviewing a book by Prof. G.A. Kerkut,
(evolutionist), entitled; "IMPLICATIONS OF EVOLUTION",
in SCIENCE, Vol.133. March 17, 1961, p. 753: My Ref;
EVOLUTION: The Incredible hoax, Homer Duncan, (1978), p.12)
So I suspect that you "knew all along" that evolution must
really be utter bilge and tripe, but you would not admit it
even to yourself! THAT might well explain your "rage, anger
and irrational abuse". You no doubt actually hate yourself
because of your own inner conflict and inconsistency and
duplicity!
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: Harry Truman.
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:47:04
EID:7530 22746de0
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89d1b789
Hi John,
(Re: yours of 12-Mar-1997, "Harry Truman.")
LA> evolutionary claims become "discarded hypotheses"! Creation
JB> ALL of the sciences have "discarded hypotheses."
Surely it is relevant just HOW MANY "discarded
hypotheses"? In the case of evolution, it is hardly proper
to refer to it as science at all and it appears to have more
discarded hypotheses than all the real sciences put
together. No wonder Sir Solly Zuckerman describes as in the
following;
'Perhaps the most outspoken researcher in the field of
paleoanthropology is Lord (Solly) Zuckerman (University of
Birmingham, England), noted authority on the
australopithecines. In discussing the degrees of objectivity in
the various branches of science, he said that the behavioral
sciences are at the low end of the objectivity spectrum. He
continued:
"We then move right off the register of
objective truth into those fields of presumed
biological science, like extrasensory perception
or the interpretation of man's fossil history,
where to the faithful anything is possible - and
where the ardent believer is sometimes able to
believe several contradictory things at the same
time."
(Beyond the Ivory Tower, (1971), p. 19, as
quoted in; Bones of Contention, Lubenow, 1992, p.
25)
When evolutionists of the stature of Zuckerman say things
like that then evolution must be seen as lower than the
lowest Pseudoscience!
JB> Science's glory is its technique, which yields
JB> ever-more-accurate, ever-closer images of actual reality.
Your constant reference to the revered word "science" in
realation to evolution has to be a misleading deception and
it is no wonder that Karl Popper wrote that;
"I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not a
testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research
programme - a possible framework for testable theories. It
suggests the existence of a mechanism of adaptation and it
allows us to even study in detail the mechanism at work. And it
is the only theory so far which does that."
(UNENDED QUEST (1976), as referenced in; Darwin's Enigma, p. 28)
JB> You seem to miss that, which is not surprising: religion
JB> has no "discarded hypotheses" because it has no critical
JB> truth-extracting technique; and no _hypotheses_ to begin
JB> with. Religion says "it's SO! and that's the end of it!"
JB> Science says "it might be so; let's test it!"
That is just the standard evolutionary nonsense line of
course. The Christian religion is based almost totally on
facts and evidence, although all others are necessarily just
as much humbug as is evolution!
'Marjorie Grene, . . . a well-known philosopher of
science (she authored chapters in books along with
prominent evolutionists), proclaimed that:
"It is as a religion of science that Darwinism chiefly
held, and holds men's minds. . . The modified but still
characteristically Darwinian theory has itself become an
orthodoxy, preached by its adherents with religious
fervor, and doubted, they feel, only by a few muddlers
imperfect in scientific truth."'
(Marjorie Grene, ENCOUNTER, November 1959, p.49 - Ref:
Creationists ANSWER their Critics, Gish, 1993, p.31)
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Water and Flood.
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:47:48
EID:532b 22746de0
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89d1b7e0
Hi Damien,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Water and Flood.")
LA> Struck out eh! Besides that I doubt if Leipeig, would know
LA> the time of day anyway! Such people are NOT educated, but
LA> brainwashed in the doctrines and faith of the current
LA> evolutionary priesthood!
DW> And someone who considers seriously the myths of
DW> relatively ignorant sheepherders to be ironclad truth IS
DW> educated?
Since I have NOT been discussing the Old Testament, but
rather the scientific evidence then your comment seems to be
irrelevant.
DW> Science ain't perfect, and several things that we think
DW> are true today will probably be shown to not be so.
Are you seriously referring to "evolution" as science?
Surely not? Evolution is a philosophy that real science has
constantly and consistently forced to "self-correct" their
wild and irrational claims. Today there is nothing of
substance left of evolution as science! e.g.
"The missing link between man and the apes, whose absence has
comforted religious fundamentalists since the days of Darwin,
is merely the most glamorous of a whole hierarchy of phantom
creatures."
"In the fossil record, missing links are the rule: ....The
more scientists have searched for the transitional forms that
lie between species, the more they have been frustrated."
(Newsweek, 3rd. November, 1980, p. 54)
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Water and Flood (b).
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:52:28
EID:0ca6 22746e80
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89d1ba3b
Hi Damien,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Water and Flood.")
DW> However, I'm willing to bet that there the chances are
DW> VERY good that there will never be any evidence for a flood
DW> that is physically impossible.
Then how do you account for the many many enormous
graveyards of fossil animals in most parts of the world
in sedimentary strata laid down rapidly by water?
LA> They would necessarily be about as
LA> much use, as far as teaching anyone anything, as the
LA> Priesthood was in the Dark Ages, when the Roman Church had a
LA> fearful monopoly too!
DW> BULLshit, Applejack. There's no "priesthood" about
DW> science.
They how do you account for a famous evolutionist and
atheist who said;
"Science is the secular religion of today and scientists
are, in a very literal sense, the new priesthood. And it all
began when Ben Franklin flew his kite in a thunderstorm in
the crucial year of 1752."
("The Stars in their Courses", Isaac Asimov, Granada
Publishing, reprinted 1979, p. 185)
DW> Nor does it require any "faith" or "belief", with one
DW> sole exception: the assumption that the universe does not
DW> lie. Beyond that, any fool can figure out the principles of
DW> science, given enough time and no predetermined prejudices.
My my my, you do make some dogmatic statements don't you.
What about the following;
"With the failure of these many efforts science
was left in the somewhat embarrassing position of
having to postulate theories of living origins which it
could not demonstrate."
"After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth
and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of
having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption
that what, after long effort, could not be proven to take place
today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."
(Loren Eiseley, Ph.D. (anthropology), "The secret of life"
in The Immense Journey, Random House, New York, 1957,
p.199.)
Makes things look rather different, doesn't it when it is
put like that?
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Damien Wellman
|Sub: Water and Flood (c).
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:53:18
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Hi Damien,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Water and Flood.")
So such things were being acknowledge by leading
evolutionist authorities over 40 years ago! You sure must
have on hell of a Teacher, who feeds you a line of rubbish!
Perhaps you are so desperate to appear intelligent in front
of him that you just eagerly swallow every word he says and
fail to think for yourself?
Sure as anything if you DARE to doubt his "great wisdom"
you will be regarded as a trouble maker, a thing which very
very few students can handle and it might well result in
your being marked poorly in you grades by him! Between the
two things you are a dead cert to be brainwashed, just like
most other students!
What real education means is that you are presented BOTH
sides of the argument in an unbiased manner. In real life,
with theories of Origins this would mean that any real
educational institution would need to have both evolutionist
and creationist lecturers. However we do have the record of
evolutionists and creationists having held open, public,
scientific debates for a decade and the following surprising
statement is made in a book by a leading evolutionist;
"Creationists travel all over the United States,
visiting college campuses (*) and staging "debates"
with biologists, geologists, and anthropologists. The
creationists nearly always win."
"The audience is frequently loaded with the already
converted and the faithful. And scientists, until recently
have been showing up at the debates ill-prepared for what
awaits them. Thinking the creationists are uneducated,
Bible-thumping clods, they are soon routed by a steady
onslaught of direct attacks on a wide variety of scientific
topics."
"No scientist has an expert's grasp of all the relevant
points of astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, geology,
and anthropology. Creationists today - at least the majority
of their spokesmen - are highly educated, intelligent
people. Skilled debaters, they have always done their
homework. And they nearly always seem better informed than
their opponents, who are reduced too often to a bewildered
state of incoherence."
(The Monkey Business, Niles Eldredge, 1982, p. 17)
(*) elsewhere some evolutionists try to pretend that the
debates are mostly NOT on College campuses!)
No wonder the evolutionist vigorously opposed State
Legislation that tried to bring in balanced treatment! Just
imagine how utterly embarassing it would be for them to have
something like a repeat of such things in all the schools?
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Helpless Moron (b).
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:54:00
EID:f185 22746ec0
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Hi Ed,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Helpless Moron (2).")
EM> Laurie Appleton to Robert Curry,
LA> You do go on, don't you! Don't you know that it was
LA> scientists who "read their Bibles" that were responsible
LA> for the modern age of science?
EM> Many of whom realized the stupidity of their dogma when
EM> they began to deduce the unmystical nature of Nature.
Naturally you have many examples that you could provide
eh? Strange as it may seem, the new breed of evolutionists
are now admitting that;
"Yet the geological record seemed to provide as
much evidence for cataclysmic as for gradual change.
Therefore in defending gradualism as a nearly universal
tempo, Darwin had to use Lyell's most characteristic
method of argument - he had to reject literal
appearance and common sense for an underlying
"reality."
"(Contrary to popular myths, Darwin and Lyell
were not the heroes of true science, defending
objectivity against the theological fantasies of such
"catastrophists" as Cuvier and Buckland. Catastrophists
were as committed to science as any gradualist; in
fact, they adopted the more "objective" view that one
should believe what one sees and not interpolate
missing bits of a gradual record into a literal tale
of rapid change.)"
"In short Darwin argued that the geologic record
was exceedingly imperfect - a book with few remaining
pages, few lines on each page, and few words on each
line. We do not see slow evolutionary change in the
fossil record because we study only one step in
thousands. Change seems to be abrupt because the
intermediate steps are missing."
(The Panda's Thumb, Stephen Jay Gould, (Pelican Books -
paperback 1987 reprint), p. 150)
The creationists welcome such frank and honest admissions
by the likes of leading evolutionist S.J. Gould and it
should be obvious that Darwin and his followers were the
ones that make a pathetic mess of the facts and the
evidence.
Laurie
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|From: Laurie Appleton
|To: Ed Mills
|Sub: Absolute Bigotry YES!
|Date: 20 Mar 97 13:54:36
EID:96da 22746ec0
MSGID: 3:640/238@Fidonet 89d1bb4a
Hi Ed,
(Re: yours of 13-Mar-1997, "Absolute Bigotry YES!")
EM> Laurie Appleton to Fredric Rice,
LA> How wrong could you get. I am fully in favour of real
LA> science - specially things like Apollo Moon landings etc.
LA> What I cannot stand is quacks and ratbags who try to call
LA> evolution by the revered word science!
EM> Yeah! You tell 'em. Everybody with any sense knows that the
EM> real science is in that there deck of Tarot cards.
EM> You do heed the Tarot, don't you?
Maybe you provide an insight into why you call yourself;
edweird? So lets look at a few facts eh? Darwin wrote;
"Why then is not every geological formation and
every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology
assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduate
organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious
and serious objection which can be urged against the
theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the
extreme imperfection of the geological record."
(Charles Darwin, "On the imperfection of the geological
record", Chapter X, The Origin of Species, J.M.Dent &
Sons Ltd, London, 1971, pp.292-293.)
Then more recently another evolutionist of note wrote;
"Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the
knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded.
We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the
situation hasn't changed much."
"The record of evolution is still surprising jerky and,
ironically, we have even fewer examples of evolutionary
transition than we had in Darwin's time. By this I mean
that some of the classic cases of darwinian change in the
fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse in North
America, have had to be discarded or modified as a result
of more detailed information --- what appeared to be a nice
simple progression when relatively few data were available
now appears to be much more complex and much less
gradualistic."
"So Darwin's problem has not been alleviated in the last
120 years and we still have a record which does show change
but one that can hardly be looked upon as the most
reasonable consequence of natural selection. Also the major
extinctions such as those of the dinosaurs and trilobites
are still very puzzling."
(Dr David M.Raup (Curator of Geology, Field Museum of
Natural History, Chicago), "Conflicts between Darwin and
paleontlogy". Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin,
vol.50(1), January 1979, p.25.)
So, if you can think at all you will see what an utter
farce that Evolution has turned out to be! It seems to
persist today more by "convention" and tradition than
anything to do with science!
Laurie
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: yet another math mistake
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:04
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with: Dan Ceppa
JB> If there is zero width, and zero distance between the loci,
JB> they are congruent (and so, by definition, if lacking a
JB> noncoalescence axiom).
No, John, that is NOT always the case. It depends on the particular
distance function. I may have already mentioned the Minkowski
spacetime metric, in which NONcongruent points (events) can have
a distance (interval) between them which is equal to _zero_.
I trust this is clear enough. Feel free to followup if it isn't.
Just please don't make me have to simply REPEAT this as often as I've
had to repeat so many other things; do try to listen and respond, OK?
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: ROGER HUNTER
|Sub: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:05
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with: David Rice
DR> The eradication of liberty is not worth such a dear price.
RH> WHAT liberty?
That little which remains safe from hysterical fears which would
abandon liberty in favor of some imagined, make believe safety.
RH> Where is it written you have a right to spread a contagious,
RH> incurable fatal illness?
Provided you don't fuck indiscriminantly, share needles, or perform
other high-risk behaviors, you will find that for a "contagious"
disease, there is virtually zero chance of contracting it.
You would do better to prohibit people from driving, because that
results in more fatalities, including FAR more indiscriminate ones.
DR> Measles is very easy to aquire. HIV is damn difficult: one
DR> must work hard, statistically speaking, to aquire the virus
DR> (if HIV is the contributory cause of AIDS).
RH> SO WHAT?
So why are you becoming hysterical about it? I think that's what
he's getting at.
RH> It's fatal and I don't care HOW hard it is to catch.
You don't care about the facts? That does not seem like a very
rational or reasonable attitude. What is the real problem, here?
The highways can be fatal, too; much more likely to kill you.
RH>> Why shouldn't we punish anyone who knowingly passes
RH>> on a fatal illness?
DR> Who said such a person should not be punished?
RH> You did. It was one of the things you were objecting to;
RH> criminal penalties for concealing one's illness.
So by your (ahem) reasoning, a person who conceals a gun is
knowingly shooting people with it.
Come again?
I think you missed a cylinder on this one.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: letter to the editor
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:06
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RC> Why should religious prayers "respect all beliefs" as the
RC> Times recommends the Florida Legislature insist upon? Let's
RC> face it: not all religions do respect other beliefs. If a member
RC> of an intolerant religion is going to pray at the opening of
RC> the Legislature, let him be as offensive as his religion demands.
RC> Anything less would be dishonest.
KW> This is an interesting point, and not one that I've seen made
KW> before. Thank you for the food for thought--how can you honestly
KW> expect the practitioner of a faith that does believe that they
KW> have a monopoly on truth to act or pray in any other manner?
Your comments are appreciated, and yes, you picked up on it right
away. Often, more liberally-minded religious folks want to see
*their* views expressed RATHER THAN more fundamentalist views.
I, however, prefer fairness across the board for everyone alike.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: 7 The List
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:07
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RC> The ancients also include:
KW> With your permission, I would like to add this post to my webpage.
Certainly, and you may consider it granted for any and all of my public
postings, to be selected at your personal discretion.
As for the home page info you asked about on IRC, here's the URL...
http://home1.gte.net/curry
Enjoy.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: KATHERINE WINTERSNIGHT
|Sub: God's terrorists!
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:08
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with: Bryson Hughes
JH> You were put on trial by angels?
BH> Yes Jason I was. It was the most horrifying experience of my life.
DC> Isn't it just great that god sends his angels out to terrorize
DC> people?
RC> Old hat.
RC> Now if Bryson wants to experience _real_ terror, let's see him
RC> deal with being put on trial by Harpies.
KW> Dear, dear Robert. Another slice of pie?
Yes, thank you. I save them for visiting missionaries, so they don't
go to waste. :-)
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: LAURIE APPLETON
|Sub: Clones of Mammals.
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:09
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LA> What on earth could "cloning" have to do with either of those
LA> "evolutions"? Could any such process ever take place in
LA> "nature" anyway?
Identical twins (and n-tuplets) are nature's clones.
You, OTOH, are one of nature's clowns. Keep dancing the fundy jig,
because the silly creationist antics you practice are funny despite
the sheer stupidity and dogmatism motivating you to perform them.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: MARTIN GOLDBERG
|Sub: real true dumbass xtians
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:10
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with: Jelly Boy
KY> All I was saying was that while they are gay, they cannot
KY> become Christian.
MG> We've had a number of gay men here that tell us that they
MG> are as xtian as the next guy. Who decides who is xtian?
MG> You?
Either him or Jim Stall.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JIM STAAL
|Sub: Ha!
|Date: 17 Mar 97 20:19:11
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with: God Dan
JS>> Two things, sir:
GD> That's God Dan to you, shithook.
JS>
You accuse him of using pepper?
Where's the evidence for this heinous blasphemy?
GD> You have all the intelligence of a truck load of fence post holes.
JS> Why can't you just admit I'm right once?
Hmm. Because God Dan doesn't lie just to salve your feelings?
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: MARTIN GOLDBERG
|Sub: Old Fart Reminiscences
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:05
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RC> I get the feeling that this is a reference my parents wouldn't
RC> even recognize. Do you think I should run it by my grandparents?
RC> Or would my *great* grandparents be more familiar with it, in
RC> your estimation?
MG> Make not fun of the Olde Phartz Klubbe or we will send you
MG> a plague of Aggie Jokes.
Only if you agree to drink the bottle of bourbon I send you in return.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: DON MARTIN
|Sub: Old Fart Reminiscences
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:06
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DM> Let's start slow--are you familiar with Candace Bergen? She's on
DM> a sitcom best known for then-vice-president Danny Quayle getting
DM> upset about her character's pregnancy, and she peddles phone
DM> service. Edgar Bergen is her father.
Oh, I do remember my great-grandparents mentioning that, now that
you've so very kindly jogged my memory.
DM> Edgar was the premier radio ventriloquist in the 30s and 40s
So my grandparents may also have listened to some of his shows.
Well, you have cemented your status (to my mind at least) as that
of a genuine Old Fart.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: DON MARTIN
|Sub: letter to the editor
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:07
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RC> Thank you. It was published, along with the following one from
RC> Edward J. McDougall, Sr., of Spring Hill:
DM> My compliments to Edward J. McDougall, Sr. Invite him to
DM> the echo.
I will deliver the invitation in person. He is computer literate,
and connected to the net, so all he needs is an intro to HolySmoke
as you suggest.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: ROD SWIFT
|Sub: hateful
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:08
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with: Ken Young
RC> Why are you so full of this irrational hate?
RS> There is only one reason for this hate -- his religion.
RS> If his religion was removed, I doubt he would hate gays.
RS> In fact, if he had never been exposed to religion, he
RS> would not hate homosexuality.
I disagree. It is possible to be a bigot without having religious
dogmatism to assist to prop up such bigotry.
Now, it is considerably easier to *maintain* such an attitude of
hate when religious dogmatism is involved, true. If that's what
you mean to say, I have no choice but to agree. Religious faith
gives people practice at just believing things for no good reason.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: KEN YOUNG
|Sub: dumb religious delusions
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:09
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KY>> A gay can get saved, but if they get saved they cannot
KY>> remain gay. They will be changed by the power of God.
RC> Make believe does have its limits, and you have yet to provide
RC> any evidence, any at all, that your god is anything more than
RC> sheer make believe.
RC> Now why is that? Any ideas?
KY> Because no matter what evidence is there, likely you wouldn't
KY> accept it.
Would you consider that a strong argument if used by nazi assholes
who say the same things about jews that YOU say about gays? No matter
what "evidence" these nazis pretend to have, you likely wouldn't accept
it, right? So why is god always against human rights, you asshole?
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: baitboy lunacy
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:10
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JB>> You're gonna call 0 a _whole_number_???!!!
JB>> Oxymoron on top of oxymoron...
RC> Zero is often described as a whole number, John, especially
RC> in more recent texts.
JB> Meaning what?
Meaning you are full of shit yet again (what a suprise!) when you
call that an oxymoron. How willful is your ignorance, John?
RC> So label one "the zero block" and learn to count the way
RC> Roger has very patiently shown you time and time again.
RC> His way actually works consistently, unlike your hodge-podge
RC> comedy of errors.
JB> Except it doesn't,
Could you please scream "IS NOT!" a little louder? There may be
someone in the back who didn't hear you.
JB> no matter how many times you complain that it does.
It's not a complaint, Moron; it's a correction. But you never learn.
JB> How many blocks between -5 and +5, inclusive of the end blocks?
INCLUSIVELY, that's eleven. However, Moron, that is not the way
Roger has very patiently shown you again and again to count.
Please do try to pay the minimal amount of attention required.
Your stupidity knows no bounds, however, as you repeat the same
errors that at least half a dozen people here have pointed out to
you several times each:
JB> Roger's way, one starts on the NEXT block in line, but ends
JB> on the answer block. My way starts AND ends ON the beginning
JB> and ending blocks.
Indeed.
JB> His is internally inconsistent;
Prove it.
JB> mine's not.
ROFLMAO! What's 6 - 6, John? Have you forgotten so soon?
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: brawley fails math
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:11
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JB> Five years before this year was 5 BP?
"Before the Present." Certainly.
JB> Five years after this year is 5 AP?
"After the Present." You might almost be thinking.
JB> How many years between the start of 5BP and the end of 5AP?
JB> Eleven, you say? *Har!*
Note that eleven years is ALWAYS the answer when you measure the
number of years between the _start_ of year X and the _end_ of
year X+10, for ALL values of X (given that years BP are considered
negative and years AP positive).
Do the math, John. Learn the depth of your arrogant idiocy.
RC> Hello? Is anyone home in there? Anyone at all?
JB> No one sitting in a "year zero," that's for sure.
Defining the current year as year zero makes it inescapable, not
to mention logically consistent. Do the math, this time, before
you embarrass yourself further.
Hint: The number of years from any day of a year to the SAME day
of any other year is EXACTLY the difference between the numbers
assigned to the years if they are numbered ..., -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, ...
That's why Roger has been right all along, and you have merely
been farting in the wind.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: liar's lunacy
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:12
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RH>>> Remember, -5 is smaller than -4.
JB>>> Remember the _year_ -5 is not in the _least_ "smaller" than
JB>>> the _year_ minus 4,
RH>> It's the sequence we're discussing, not the length of a year.
JB>> So how do you figure that the "-5 year" is "smaller" than
JB>> the "-4 year?"
RC> What the -FUCK- is your problem, John?
JB> What the -FUCK- is yours?
I have little tolerance for liars? You are misquoting Roger the way
Appleton misquotes biologists. Roger compares the numbers, so you
deceptively ask him how -HE- compares the years? Don't you know the
difference between a number and a year? You should be ashamed.
JB> There is no such thing as years that are "less than" other
JB> years, regardless of _where_ in the sequence they are found.
You dumb fuck, who ever said that one year is smaller than another
year, besides _YOU_?
JB> Straw man? Hardly.
When you make something up out of thin air and then attribute it
to Roger, then yes, that is a straw man.
JB> Shame on you, Bud; we were discussing _years_, obviously,
This inability to accept what Roger plainly wrote, where you insist
on your own faulty misperceptions, looks like the same thing you
did with Berlinski. But it's always their fault and never yours, eh?
JB> That you, Robert, seemingly will defend _anything_, no matter
JB> how idiotic, if _I_ am on the opposing side,
That's gone past embellishment into a plain lie. How Laurie of you.
Clearly, if it's idiocy I wished to defend, I'd be standing right
there with you ON your side. Moreover, on those rare occasions
when an even more obvious idiot stumbles by (Laurie again serves
as an example), then you don't see me defending the greater idiot
against the lesser one, do you?
JB> I can easily ascribe your defense in this case and others, to
JB> simple obstinacy.
By ignoring the facts, John, you can ascribe whatever you like.
JB> However, it has often been said that subracting _any_amount_
JB> from infinity leaves --infinity, and that's what I was
JB> referring to.
Depends on whether you mean a _cadinal_ infinity or an _ordinal_
infinity. They are quite different, with distinct properties.
RC> If it's not too "irrelevent, egotistical and insulting" to you,
RC> citations dealing with infinite ordinal arithmetic can be provided.
JB> Oh, please don't bother. I have plenty of your citations
JB> to look over as it is.
You sure do! And yet you never seem to learn. How come?
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: love to see it
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:13
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JB>> Are you suggesting that two or more zero-dimension points,
JB>> with _zero_ distance between them, are not coalesced -- are
JB>> not the same point? I'd _love_ to see your reference for
JB>> that....
RC> You never heard of a Minkowski spacetime diagram?
JB> Heard of Minkowski, of course....
More and more, your physics "knowledge" is revealed as superficial.
RC> You didn't even notice that its distance function for points
RC> (or events) implies exactly what you'd so love to see?
JB> I suppose I'd better have closer look at that.
It's all in the distance function, John.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: marbles don't add up?
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:14
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JB>> For reminder, count the number of _marbles_:
JB>> W W W W W (?) B B B B B
JB>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
JB> I don't care if you stick a _grey_ marble up there where I put a
JB> space "(?)"), and call it "the zero marble," or not. It adds
JB> up wrong, you're blowing smoke, and you know it.
ROFL! If you add an eleventh marble to the collection, the number
of marbles just refuses to add up to eleven?
JB> You were and still are both wrong in the case of 'real things'
JB> being 'counted.'
This from a man who can't add up his marbles!
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: MILLENNIUM LUNACY
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:15
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RC> Zero is often described as a whole number, John,
JB> Figgers.
JB> Only a mathematician could construct such an _exquisite_
JB> oxymoron. Something with NO parts is a "whole" something, eh?
The number zero is exactly the same with respect to "parts" as
any other whole number. They all have one part, namely, an abstract
definition.
You seem to be confusing zero OF something with the _number_ zero.
JB>> to represent _absence_ of thing(s).
RC> "Zero" does not represent an absence of things. It represents
RC> the *cardinality* of an absence of things. All cardinal
RC> numbers represent a count of things, not the things in and
RC> of themselves.
JB> Semantics.
Accuracy.
JB> To people, zero represents the absence of a thing.
"Something" vs. "nothing." Neither is represented by a number.
Now if you are counting some specific thing, and there is nothing
there, then that IMPLIES there are none ("zero") of the specific
thing there, either. It doesn't work the other way around, though.
You can have none of a specific thing, yet still have something
else entirely. "Nothing" implies "zero cats" but "zero cats" does
not imply "nothing" (there may still be a pack of dogs).
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: ROD SWIFT
|Sub: Driving Mr. Shithead
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:16
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with: Ken Young
RS> Thanks for fighting the just fight, Robert!
No prob.
Hey, take a peek at http://home1.gte.net/HASP when you get a chance,
and let me know what you think.
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|From: ROBERT CURRY
|To: JOHN BRAWLEY
|Sub: infinitesimals
|Date: 18 Mar 97 18:28:17
EID:ce3b 22729380
MSGID: 1:3603/210 4bbad00d
TID: GE/2 1.2
DC>> A point can only occupy the same space of another point if
DC>> their loci are identical.
JB>> If there is "zero" distance between their loci, they're
JB>> occupying the same space, no?
RC> Not necessarily.
JB> I can't help it: "do not go to the elves for advice, for
JB> they will say both 'no' and 'yes.'"
You really are stupider than I ever imagined if you can't grasp
even the concept of "sometimes, but not always."
Dan Ceppa was correct above, but you were wrong. SOMETIMES when
two points (events) in Minkowski spacetime are separated by zero
distance (interval), their loci are identical -- but not always.
Sometimes the distance is zero between points with distinct loci.
It's all in the distance function. Look it up.
JB>> (Note, Robert, that what Dan's proposing is not the same thing
JB>> as you proposing I use "1" as that distance. Zero ain't "1,"
JB>> obviously.)
JB> ["irrelevant, unnecessary, and insulting text deleted"]
You didn't finish the job; you left your own comments intact.
Though I suppose you could say your remarks satisfy only two of
the three criteria, since no matter what you put into your pathetic
attempts, you couldn't insult your way out of a wet paper bag.
Now, if prizes were awarded for _WHINING_ then you'd be a shoo in.
* SLMR 2.1a *
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|From: Karen Davis
|To: DAVID RICE
|Sub: Cybersitter #1 [1]
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:56:17
EID:2aaf 2272a700
MSGID: 1:207/212 c6de7314
On (14 Mar 97) DAVID RICE wrote to ALL...
DR> by "routinely" publishing names of sites blocked by Cybersitter.
DR> Milburn claimed that Haselton may have "illegally reversed
DR> engineered" the Cybersitter database. Milburn has threatened
DR> legal action. Haselton, however, found a white knight. After
DR> hearing about Milburn's actions, Mike Godwin, legal counsel for
Problem here. It seems to me that the "database" of blocked sites in a
piece of software like CyberSitter should be easily accessed by the
adult and modified for that family's preferences. Perhaps one family
might wish to block all sites related to suicide because they are
dealing with a suicidal child. Another family might like to block all
sites dealing with some other issue - perhaps they wish to temporarily
control the information a child receives on a medical condition. A
family might want sexually explicit materials blocked but sincerely wish
their child to do research on feminism.
So a piece of software of that type which would require the database to
be reverse engineered to be accessed would be inappropriate in my book.
The original list of blocked sites would be the FIRST thing I would look
at. I would want to click on it, and would probably have the delete key
handy at first.
Don't get me wrong - I agree in principle with the idea of such
software, properly done. While I agree MORE strongly with parental
supervision, parents can't be watching a 12 year old every single
minute. I'm also not one to be terrified that a 12 year old would see a
picture of a naked person of the opposite gender, but I know the sites
with such things on them on the web will be so twisted that I'd simply
rather not.
... "It's just a jump to the left."
--- PPoint 2.00
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Steve Quarrella
|Sub: Re: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:29:12
EID:9911 2272a3a0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 b1ab79d4
REPLY: 1:124/9005 332afba3
TID: GE/32 1.2
SQ> It inevitably becomes a penis size contest. :)
"As for the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any day."
- George Bush
... I can't be a priest--- I don't like little boys
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: Re: FREEDOM OF CHOICE
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:34:30
EID:7baf 2272a440
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 ef6e32aa
TID: GE/32 1.2
BB> No more awkward than heterosexual sex, Jelly. Or do you think oral and
BB> anal sex between heterosexuals is unnatural as well?
I just had a thought... if it wasn't for unnatural anal sex, we probably
wouldn't really need nearly as much KY>.
... +Origin: MACARENA! NETWORK: Drunken idiots gyrating for Jesus.
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Becke Boyer
|Sub: Re: MORMON LUNATICS
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:39:46
EID:c201 2272a4e0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 03e27e07
TID: GE/32 1.2
FR>> After waiting for their gods to show up they ran out of food and water
FR>> and started drinking their own urin. When Ground Search and Recovery
FR>> pulled these lunatics off the mountain they were wracked with disease
FR>> and all were financially ruined.
BB> Sounds loosely like the movie _The Rapture_. Ever see it?
Is that the movie about the promiscuous telephone operator who finds Jesus?
I
think I've seen it if it is.
... Necrophilia means never having to say . . . well, anything . . .
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: Re: Blavatsky?
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:45:16
EID:77fa 2272a5a0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 3f9a7001
REPLY: 3:690/660.0 332b9970
TID: GE/32 1.2
RS> You're just not trying hard enough. I get two-three a week, on
RS> average :)
Did you archive your first one? I still have the original message saved.
I
need to get out more often.
RS> Oh, he has no concept of Alberta? :) :)
"Canada... isn't that the state up north with the snow and the igloos?"
- Some dumb-ass.
... This echo just gets weirder and weirder. Oh wait. That's me. Sorry.
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Roger Hunter
|Sub: Re: JESUS NEEDED...
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:47:20
EID:430c 2272a5e0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 bf5b422c
TID: GE/32 1.2
RH> That doesn't answer the question. I was told that gay/lesbian
RH> couples had children normally, so I asked the above.
What's so abnormal about using a turkey baster? Heterosexuals use them,
too.
Besides, if a gay man really had a problem with a turkey baster, he could
always close his eyes and pretend he was with a man.
... Creationists put the "Duh?" in Fundamentalism.
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Re: Accepting Reality
|Date: 18 Mar 97 20:58:14
EID:a465 2272a740
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 ab0693a2
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 332a9776
TID: GE/32 1.2
KW> " To hell with the value of the life of the unborn child."
Oh, yeah.. you're right there defending the rights of the unborn, but what
about its rights after it's born? What do you think of welfare for poor
mothers?
I have a feeling that you don't give a damn about the "unborn child", so
much
as you want to see women punished for having sex.
... I'd post an anti-abortion saying, but there's no ANSI swastika.
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Ken Wiens
|Sub: Re: Accepting Reality
|Date: 18 Mar 97 21:01:36
EID:a465 2272a820
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 0bc3d612
REPLY: 1:103/550.0 332cdc7a
TID: GE/32 1.2
KS>>You have succeeded. You are *very* trying.
KW> It takes "very trying" to have a hope of
KW> light shining thru anywhere in this Conference.
The darkness in this conference comes from the jesus freaks, who think it's
their God-given duty to convert all us nasty heathens - at all costs. But,
at
least it's better that you use up that energy here instead of harrassing
people in the real world.
... I sold my soul to Satan . . . He demanded a refund.
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Richard Smith
|Sub: Re: Bloody Damn Fido . . .
|Date: 18 Mar 97 21:14:18
EID:8df1 2272a9c0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 6cbbb0df
REPLY: 1:203/9046.0 332cdc0a
TID: GE/32 1.2
RS> Folks, the header says it all. FIDO is acting up on me, and
RS> I'm not even sure if
RS> this one will get out or not. I suspect
RS> that something is h
appen
ing to me ssages furt
her dow n the line
RS> . . . I'm n ot gettn g much in, nor much out. Plea
se be
RS> pa
tient with me, and if y ou're a fu
ndy caught in mid-argument
RS> w
ith me: why do you continue to lie?
Got it fine over here. :)
... Accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior? That'd be really selfish!
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: Re: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 18 Mar 97 21:22:36
EID:ceb4 2272aac0
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 956f81e0
REPLY: 1:270/420.0 332c6ed4
TID: GE/32 1.2
RH>> The flood of Noah is scientifically impossible, and that's a fact.
KY> Please explain further. Why is a world wide flood impossible?
Because God, being all omnipotent and omniscient and perfect and everything,
would have come up with a much less messy way of killing off all the humans
on Earth. He wouldn't have wiped out innocent animals and all the unborn
fetuses and stuff.
Duh!
... If I'm an agent of Satan where's my ten percent??
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: Quentin Fai
|To: Glen Todd
|Sub: Re: The Jesus was homosexual
|Date: 18 Mar 97 23:32:48
EID:4caa 2272bc00
PID: SX 4.4P CA-12680
MSGID: 1:358/1 32d72bbd
REPLY: 1:128/203@fidonet.org 332c1057
TID: GE/32 1.2
RS>> Ah, I love it. Jesus is a supernatural paper doll!!!
GT> No, a blow-up doll. (Pun intended.)
This just reminded me of something I took in biology last week. The lecture
was about pseudocoelomates, and we took up one in particular called the
water
bear. (a small organism about the size of a rotifer). At mating time, the
female molts, and lays her eggs in the shed covering. Then, the male
copulates with the covering, fertilizing the eggs.
Just thought I'd bring it up.
... God is watching me? What is he, a pervert?
--- RA2.5/FD2.20/GEcho
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|From: George Harper
|To: Don Martin
|Sub: CHRISTANIC TERRORISTS
|Date: 19 Mar 97 22:43:37
EID:a333 2273b560
MSGID: 1:104/447 2796be98
TID: GE 1.1+
DM> George Harper said "CHRISTANIC TERRORISTS" to Roger Hunter,
GH> In a sane and intelligent world, these criminals posing as
GH> doctors of medicine would be hounded by the courts even as Jack
GH> Kevorkian is hounded.
DM> In other words, while you don't shoot abortionists
DM> personally, you don't really mind others manning the
DM> shotguns for you.
No. In other words, I'd like to see abortion outlawed, and
the practitioners put in jail. But, of course, you knew
what I was getting at, but it wasn't sensational enough to
feed your blood-hunger, which is probably why YOU support
abortions in the first place...why don't you just go watch
wrestling or ice hockey on TV and leave discussions to those
of us with enough intellect to conduct them???
... RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- mil failte, caraid
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|From: George Harper
|To: Dan Ceppa
|Sub: Educational Experienc
|Date: 19 Mar 97 22:43:38
EID:6970 2273b560
MSGID: 1:104/447 2796be99
TID: GE 1.1+
-> On 16 Mar 97 10:41:58, George Harper got back to Jason Harmon
GH> The Flood: Noah took several HUNDRED years building the Ark, and
GH> everyone ridiculed him...until it rained...
DC> Evidence that any human ever lived over 200 years?
Accounts in the Bible, which I am convinced is infallible. If you
have evidence to the contrary, present it.
GH> The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil: God made it and put it
DC> Evidence as to the location of that garden?
See above
GH> there beca He had created Man with free will. Man haas to choose
DC> Too bad that they didn't know good from bad when they ate from
DC> that tree, isn't it.
Actually, Eve did know that it was forbidden, but seduced Adam
into tasting it. BTW: are you personal friends with the serpent?
No, I guess not...he has better taste...
GH> for himself to follow God. Same applies to worshiping Him
GH> without physical evidence.. man is NOT an automaton. We must be
DC> No, the god you worship is a MPD psychopathic killer.
If He were, how long do you think He would tolerate scum like
you. My evidence to refute your statement is that you are
still allowed to exist.
GH> free to choose... Sodom and Gomorrah: Lot and his family were given
GH> the opportunity to find just 10 "good" people in the
DC> Gee, and all because Lot's wife felt pity on what happened to
DC> those towns and turned around, you god made her into a pillar
DC> of salt.
She wasn't pitying the people - she knew they deserved what they
got...she was just wanting to keep her material possessions...
GH> cities...there weren't even 10! So, He DID kill "just the evil
GH> people".
DC> See above. Lot's wife was killed by your god.
Actually, because she was materialistic, she disobeyed the
order, and got the resultant punishment.
GH> NOW present YOUR arguments for the concept that God *DOES* do
GH> evil... and back them up with common sense arguments at least as
DC> He doesn't have to. Your own comments on your "good" god
DC> does it for him.
Also...some other pimple spoke up in his defense...what's the
matter, Dan, don't you think Jason has the ability or intelligence to
defend himself???
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|From: George Harper
|To: All
|Sub: How about 1-on-1?
|Date: 19 Mar 97 22:43:42
EID:b8c0 2273b560
MSGID: 1:104/447 2796be9a
TID: GE 1.1+
Since I've been reading this echo, I have noticed that the loud-mouths
who are attacking the Christian faith generally post interchangeably.
Not one of you responds to anything directed at you...always waiting for
someone else to jump in and bail you out. I've had enough of your
grade school bully tactics. If none of you has the intelligence and
bravery to face off against an opponent...ON YOUR OWN...the group of you
should just shut up and pay attention to those of us who are teaching
the truth...
I challenge you to select one spokesman, and have him post a topic
to discuss...then one of the Christians reading this echo will step forward
and the two protagonists will conduct the discussion....everyone else just
reads and sits on their hands...no butting in, etc...If you aren't too much
a gaggle of girlish cowards to face up to people convinced of the Truth
of
Christ's message and divinity...
George Harper
Halls Of Tara BBS
1:104/447 - Denver CO
... ebius tagline. This is a moebius tagline. This is a mo ...
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: FREE WILL
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:12:00
EID:7211 22738980
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Roger Hunter <=-
JB> @MSGID: 1:100/435.1 40a614ea
JB> On 15 Mar 97, Roger Hunter wrote:
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> Insufficient information.
JB> (Obviously, "Universe is self-aware" goes in (4).)
JB> It's a comparison, albeit it's flirting with a nonsequitur.
JB> And you're right: there _isn't_ sufficient hardcore "evidence," no,
JB> but given that the first three are accepted as possible, the fourth
(a
JB> repeat of (2)) is a rational conclusion, and there is sufficient
JB> _information_ in the syllogism itself for that conclusion. No, there
Nope, look;
1) brain has feedback loops.
2) brain is self-aware.
3) computer has feedback loops.
4) draw your own conclusions.
You really gonna say "computer is self-aware" ?
JB> ripplings, than a less-than spherical one? (*grin*) IOW, would a
JB> cerebral cortex shaped like a sphere be a better interactor (with the
JB> spherical Universe, via both of their geometric nonlocality) than a
JB> more linear, or a hemispherical cerebral cortex would be?
Are you really saying a pea-brain is needed?
Aren't most brains spherical to a first approximation?
JB> But back to the syllogism:
JB> If B requires A, and D requires C, (and C = A), then if A, B, and C
JB> are 'true,' D is true.
JB> (1):(3)::(2):(4) (As (1) is to (3), (2) is to (4).
Hmmmmmmm.... I guess my above is true then?
I don't THINK so, John...
... "Transporter chief Brawley, beam the landing party to the bridge"
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: HOMOSEXUALS ALSO REPR
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:23:00
EID:d3bd 22738ae0
-=> Quoting Rod Swift to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> Ok, I give up! I was wrong. I thought, based on my own feelings,
RH> that heterosexual relations would be too distasteful.
RS> They *are* distasteful. For me, eating seafood is distasteful,
RS> but that does not mean I have not eaten seafood on occasion.
RS> The motivation has been present in which I have had to practice a
RS> distasteful act out of motivational reasons.
RH> But it seems that gay/lesbian couples do not feel that strongly
RH> about it.
RS> No, you *think* that gay/lesbian couples do not feel strongly
RS> about it.
Bullshit. You _SAID_ they didn't, that gay/lesbian couples were
not uncommon. And I have already heard that gays married to straights
split up because it's too unpleasant.
RS> The fact is that you have failed to understand the issue. I pity
RS> you, really, because you fail to search for reasoning, instead
RS> making blind comments.
Come on, Rod, cut me some slack here. I know no gays personally
and have obviously been misinformed on some issues. If I wasn't
searching for reasoning, I'd be shouting "IS NOT" instead of
asking questions.
RS> You're almost as bad as the fundamentalists in your
I take EXTREME exception to that. Them's fightin' words, pardner!
RS> closed-mindedness on this issue. Maybe I shall offer you one
RS> last chance.
RS> Here is the point I wish you to ponder.
RS> Why do heterosexuals try homosexual sex acts? Don't they find
RS> the acts distasteful?
If we are talking about straight men buttfucking straight or gay
men then I would deny they do so. I know _I_ couldn't, even out of
morbid curiosity. Sure, I could be forced into it, but voluntarily?
Nope.
... Cthulhu in '96. Why vote for the LESSER evil?
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: JESUS NEEDED...
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:26:00
EID:2e98 22738b40
-=> Quoting Rod Swift to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> If gay men don't mind screwing lesbians, why is it a problem
RS> ---------------------------------
RH> screwing straight women?
RS> I never said such a thing. Your question is based on a fallacy.
Did you not say that gay/lesbian couples are common? Or did you
only mean that they marry for legal reasons but seek sex outside the
marriage?
... MONEY TALKS ... but all mine ever says is GOODBYE!
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Rod Swift
|Sub: CRACKER BARREL BOYCOT
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:31:00
EID:99cc 22738be0
-=> Quoting Rod Swift to Roger Hunter <=-
KY> Because only one is natural and has a practical purpose.
RH> Given overpopulation, the "purpose" is detrimental to the species.
RS> You are correct. You could have also attacked him on his narrow
RS> view and non-pluralistic viewpoint on this issue. Why only ONE
RS> function? Why can't there be more than one function? Why is
RS> only ONE valid?
Because, in his view, procreation is the -only- reason for sex.
Everything else is sinful or perverse (or both).
RH> Bwahahahahahahahaha! Case closed. You're as big a moron as
RH> Appleton, and he holds the record.
RS> HO HO HO HO! :) :) It's great when we can bait an answer like
RS> that out of them, isn't it! :)
They can't avoid it. They're stuck with irrational beliefs and
have to support them....or start thinking. (horrors!)
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: FUNDY FROLICS 1/3
|Date: 19 Mar 97 17:33:00
EID:6da2 22738c20
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> Yeah, yeah, and I don't recall Hitler killing every living thing
RH> on earth, do you?
JS> You specifically said that Hitler didn't perform as severe atrocities
JS> as God. I pointed out differently.
?? I just debunked you, idiot. Can't you read?
RH> I don't recall him ordering his troops to kill
RH> all the animals in a village either, do you?
JS> Oh my. SAve the poor little animals...but kill the helpless unborn.
JS> You tree huggers make me puke!
Save it for supper, then.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: CASH ONLY
|Date: 19 Mar 97 18:19:00
EID:496f 22739260
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Robert Curry <=-
JB> Of the internal consistency of, or the all-cases applicability of,
JB> using a block-series with a "zero block" in place, or of the internal
JB> balance of one's start/stop blocks in a block-series with same.
It's perfectly consistent and must be there.
5 black marbles labeled 1 thru 5, a grey one marked 0, 5 white
ones labeled -1 thru -5.
[-5] [-4] [-3] [-2] [-1] [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
Take away 5 black marbles (5 - 5). What's left? 1 grey, 5 white
marbles. The answer is the first remaining marble (0)
[-5] [-4] [-3] [-2] [-1] [0]
See? Or do you prefer [-1]?
... Woman will be the last thing civilized by Man
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Jim Staal
|Sub: CHEESE WHIZ
|Date: 19 Mar 97 18:21:00
EID:26e0 227392a0
-=> Quoting Jim Staal to Roger Hunter <=-
JS> Uh, s'cuse me!? Out of which orifice would one expel fecal material?
In your case? The mouth, obviously.
... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: Ken Young
|Sub: DRIVING MR. DAISY
|Date: 19 Mar 97 18:38:00
EID:db28 227394c0
-=> Quoting Ken Young to Rod Swift <=-
KY> Well, I guess it all depends on what you view as gay bashing. Do you
KY> really think it is gay bashing for one to say that homosexuality is
KY> immoral?
Well, I guess it all depends on what you view as discrimination. Do
you really think it is discrimination for one to say that blacks are
inferior?
Does this clarify your question for you, idiot?
KY> THat is the question I would like to pose to you? I already see other
KY> things getting accepted more, and I must wonder if one thing that is
KY> usually considered to be deviant, homosexuality, being accepted more,
KY> could be leading the way for other things to get accepted more.
KY> Generally, big changes occur in little steps, and it is a concern of
KY> mine that homosexuality getting accepted, could lead the way to other
KY> things getting accepted, that you would even find sick.
You mean, like Christianity? Perish the thought!
But seriously, NAMBLA hopes so. However, it seems to me to be a
simple matter to separate perversions from acceptable variations.
The key phrase is "consenting adults".
You want to bathe in piss? Fine, if your partner agrees.
You want to rape anyone? NOT fine (no consent).
You want to sodomise children? NOT fine (not adult).
See? No god-myth needed.
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|From: Roger Hunter
|To: John Brawley
|Sub: JOHN-BOY'S X=1
|Date: 19 Mar 97 19:04:00
EID:5c7e 22739880
-=> Quoting John Brawley to Roger Hunter <=-
RH> You can if you do it right.
JB> (*sigh*) I probably need to do that anyway. It means separating the
JB> object from its origins, tho', which goes down hard for me....
If you want to talk to mathematicians, you have to speak their
language. The origin sequence is unnecessary to